gtfo-chat

[hasty bobcat]

hehehehe

it's too old now ngl

[lavish jay]

I don't know the odds either, but each zone contains an average of ~2.5 IDs each, so the average run would still need to enter a fifth zone.

[pseudo sedge]

gonna regret this but time to calculate the exact odds

[honest parrot]

oh no

[daring ginkgo]

math time

[mellow hedge]

ur like 6 months older than me

whens my bday role

[pseudo sedge]

18 ids spawn in total in 7 zones with a max of 3 per zone

[mellow hedge]

time for chatgpt to say its a 1/10000000000000000000

[pseudo sedge]

odds are completely equal

[junior latch]

Tgb about to never be heard from again

[pseudo sedge]

imma about to be delivered a newcastle big boy*

[hasty bobcat]

wish i'd be 10

[mellow hedge]

[silver spade]

why is it still ur birthday. How has your birthday been going on for 3+ DAYS!

That makes me MAD! 😠

[hasty bobcat]

it's 2nd day only

[pseudo sedge]

@lavish jay there are 84 ways to arrange all 18 ids in those 7 zones, out of which 10 are valid (aka have 12 ids in 4 specific zones)

[mellow hedge]

birthday week guys!!!!

[pseudo sedge]

11.904% chance

[junior latch]

Does this account for only 39,41,42,43

[pseudo sedge]

yes, which zones u go for is not relevant as long as u pick any 4 zones and only go for those 4

[junior latch]

they asked for those 4

specifically

since you cant do 40,44,45,42 only

[pseudo sedge]

so if u were to go for 39, 40, 41, 42 instead the odds would be the exact same

[pseudo sedge]

odds remain the exact same as long as you search only 4 zones

and pick which zones u search BEFORE u roll for ids

[rare stone]

I'm taking his birthday

soon™️

[mellow hedge]

guys did u know ur birthday is next year

[worn kiln]

as long as it isnt in the form of malware ill take it >:3

[rare stone]

did you know that you could spontaneously die at any moment

[pseudo sedge]

funnily enough, it is guaranteed that there are at least 4 zones in that level with 3 ids.

[mellow hedge]

so i guess we are speedrunning it then

[pseudo sedge]

12% odds to get the rng for it are better than the 1% of r4c2

[rare stone]

I'm speedrunning your life

better sleep with 3 eyes open bucko

[mellow hedge]

sleep with 3 balls open

[junior latch]

Yea
That wasnt rly in question

Its just lower prio

[mellow hedge]

when are we doing the funny

or at least trying

[pseudo sedge]

what funny

[mellow hedge]

the funny

[junior latch]

probably dropped to pretty low prior for now (at least imo)

with how rare our runs suddenly got

[pseudo sedge]

OH

[mellow hedge]

yeah sounds about right

[pseudo sedge]

i wanna do the funny now

[mellow hedge]

people just got busy ig

[junior latch]

we have like 5+ big time improvement levels still

[burnt flume]

i'm mostly free to run now :)

[junior latch]

To push it to sub 17

[mellow hedge]

how about you do all my uni work

[burnt flume]

worming my way back

[junior latch]

How about you do all my uni work

[burnt flume]

you will get the gigabit goat host and you will be happy

[mellow hedge]

we'll let you know when we run r8a1 trios

[worn kiln]

dw guys ill do all the uni work

[junior latch]

Having just read about worms in a worse context

Fml

[mellow hedge]

🙏

[mellow hedge]

thank you

[worn kiln]

i dropped out of my own uni course so i got the time

[rare stone]

huh

[junior latch]

Great

Can you tell me whether im dealing with bolivina albatrossi or catanensis?

Im a bit baffled rn

[shut vapor]

while ur at it. can you improve my trackmania times

[burnt flume]

the movement patterns you are observing are indicative of cantanesis

[worn kiln]

sure whatever

[junior latch]

„Movement“

id be scared if there was any movement in 50k year old fossils

[burnt flume]

Tues 29th 9am, you're sitting my exam

ya fossilised movement, you can see all the little paths they took when EATING THROUGH THE BRAINS

[rare stone]

that already exists, it's called "your mom"

[junior latch]

Jokes on you

A few of the levels have frosty host 💀

[burnt flume]

because brains fossilise really well

[worn kiln]

aight

whats it on

[mellow hedge]

huge

[burnt flume]

a lot of pharmacy shit

[mellow hedge]

can you do my c++ final assessment

[junior latch]

Iirc high prio rn are what

R2C1, R2D2, R4C3, R4E1, R5C1, R5D1, R8C2?

[burnt flume]

are there still desync issues about in the runs or is it mostly fine?

[pseudo sedge]

also i did the math on r4c2: exact odds are 1.015...%

[shut vapor]

I also have a Radio Frequency exam in a month

[mellow hedge]

only had on r6d2 after like 100 resets

cause checkpoint

[junior latch]

Less desync with me host over tgb funnily enough

[burnt flume]

better than r1a1 lol

[worn kiln]

drugs are good unless they arent, boom pass

[junior latch]

tgb internet always chokes at the worst times

Not quite as bad as frostys internet tho

[worn kiln]

sure i did computer science in high school

[junior latch]

THE R7A1

[worn kiln]

i know python

[burnt flume]

shame, shame, shame

[junior latch]

NOOOO

[mellow hedge]

can i get image perms so i can send absolute cinema

[pseudo sedge]

god the r7a1 was so tragic

[burnt flume]

goat Internet would never let you down, although my PC has been having crashing issues

[mellow hedge]

surely you saw the "c++" part of that sentence

[mellow hedge]

god seed

ruined by desync

[gusty burrow]

Python and C++ are basically the same, they're both object oriented how different could they be

[junior latch]

5+ seconds we will never get for the sub 17

[mellow hedge]

[pseudo sedge]

@mellow hedge can u dm him the newcastle big boy real quick?

[mellow hedge]

funnel web vs big boy

[worn kiln]

how different can they be

[worn kiln]

very tempting tbh

[mellow hedge]

surely

for one image

[junior latch]

actually what about friday evening runs?

somebody got time for that?

[worn kiln]

eh id either have to make an entire role for it or just give you mod perms and neither is a very attractive option

[mellow hedge]

i think its very attractive your standards are just too high

[mellow hedge]

actually probably do

its after my exam

[pseudo sedge]

ah fuck it i know i'm not gonna go to the club anyway

[mellow hedge]

this mf thinks they'd let him in the club

[pseudo sedge]

hey if i shave i dont look romanian

[junior latch]

we start r4c3 runs tmrw with kenny likely right

so we could do smth else on friday eve since no kenny

[mellow hedge]

yes

[worn kiln]

maybe

[mellow hedge]

is this a sign to apply for mod

[worn kiln]

yes

[burnt flume]

if you want to turn frosty into a marginalised group by adding another eu fourth, i'm down

for r4e1 you were looking at main only right?

[junior latch]

Yes

we need to improve another ~50 min

(for total)

[junior latch]

And these 7 will likely add up to

25 or so at least

[burnt flume]

i'd be happy to hop on and play some runs out so you can get a feel for stuff and test whatever strat

[junior latch]

mmh

[pseudo sedge]

we wanna run it with the main group

[mellow hedge]

idk what we would run on friday

[burnt flume]

...

[junior latch]

reading comprehension goes hard

[junior latch]

Its not like we lack levels to run

lol

[mellow hedge]

yeah

gotta pick one tho

[shut vapor]

r2c2

[mellow hedge]

r1a1 resets

[junior latch]

im excluding hard reset stuff for goat likely (r1a1, r1b1, r2c2) but theres still so much

[pseudo sedge]

r5c1 surely

[junior latch]

You wanna play on frosty host

[shut vapor]

r6cx

[junior latch]

With 3 eu?

are you mental

[junior latch]

Already ran

[pseudo sedge]

already did it

[mellow hedge]

already done NERD

[junior latch]

18:00 flat

[burnt flume]

just pick something and fuck me up chief

[shut vapor]

damn

[mellow hedge]

alright frosty host it is

[shut vapor]

r7b3

[burnt flume]

why is frosty hosting wtf

[mellow hedge]

uplink levels

[junior latch]

we could grab the chance of 3 eu and get the potential sub 35 r2d2

[pseudo sedge]

r2d2 might actually be a pick

[junior latch]

Since with kenny and frosty we suffer desync from time to time

And goat host is likely best host

[mellow hedge]

yeah guys frosty host r2d2 lesgoooo

[junior latch]

also opens up 3 people on terms

[junior latch]

Can somebody ban this guy?

[burnt flume]

pleass continue to argue amongst yourselves, gonna shower

[junior latch]

Goat typed among us!

get em

[shut vapor]

HATE

[low shell]

[gaunt nacelle]

[gray prawn]

Die

My Alt Rundown 1 Sheet

The first page connects to all the other pages

I'm assuming thats what was being talked about, I didn't really read anything

[daring ginkgo]

yes, thank you 👍

[fleet kettle]

Imagine finaly playing with party which doesn't desync

[gaunt nacelle]

Just play with bots 4head

[pure belfry]

Even bots have that bug where upon reloading a checkpoint/re-dropping into the same mission they have a chance to just lag behind and then also not stand inside any bioscans

[gaunt nacelle]

😭

Average GTFO moment

Honestly average AAA game

[pure belfry]

There’s various levels of it too. Occasionally it’s only 1 bot, sometimes all, and then I’ve notice another issue where maybe they won’t lag behind and will stand in bioscans, but they’ll outright refuse to pick up any resources or consumables, and I believe this one happens when you pick something up when a bot is also trying to pick it up

[daring ginkgo]

checkpoints messes bots logic

in terms of picking resource pack

[mellow hedge]

Guys checkpoints are a great addition to the game!

[daring ginkgo]

it is, if it werent so buggy xd

[rose nova]

dow will fix this issue [unironically tho yes cuz they are thought since the start now]

[mellow hedge]

the bugs and desync issues actually just make me prefer that it wasnt in the game

[honest parrot]

Writing the checkpoint bugs are going to be fun

[rose nova]

u don't need to write everything and every bug that has ever existed

most of the bigger ones like cell stuck have been fixed at least

[junior latch]

even in speedrunning we only note a few down

[pure belfry]

same. Not to forget they allow you to unintentionally cheese objectives or turn off stuff you aren’t supposed to

[junior latch]

theres also the thing with many bugs being incredibly specific and rare

[pure belfry]

Is R7D1 Overload a 100% chance to shut off the sequence?

[junior latch]

?

[pure belfry]

on checkpoint reload

[junior latch]

oh

the snatcher spawns

[rose nova]

uh no? no think so

[junior latch]

its an event

not an error

so it gets shut off

[honest parrot]

I mean if it doesn't bug out and die on its own then yeah

[rose nova]

damn nevermind

[pure belfry]

Gotcha. I also remember seeing something about how originally it was possible to cheese overload because you could just not issue the terminal command until after you were done with Main

[daring ginkgo]

r6c3 is main offender i think

if you do ov

tank error will be disabled if you reload from checkpoint

[junior latch]

Back then overload had a bulkhead key in it you used

Now theres none and the command opens main

[mellow hedge]

you can also just technically wait until all the snatchers spawn from overload (i think after around 90 minutes so like 22-23 snatchers)

[junior latch]

I honestly hope dow has no checkpoints or if it has them that they are working properly

Levels likely are gonna be far shorter for the general player

[rose nova]

if checkpoints are made from the start i imagine they won't have nearly as many issues

[boreal yew]

Properly working checkpoints are a little bit too much to ask for

[rose nova]

gtfo had so much problem cuz they were like added 3 years into release

which like pain

as bennett foddy says the game was already a pretty formed brick of concrete and addin to it would not work very well

[pure belfry]

I saw patch notes from back then, did the Error for bypassing the Shadow Alarm also have shadows sleeping/spawning? the notes weren’t clear and its hard for me to find footage of runs from that window of time

[rose nova]

what does the patch note say

[pure belfry]

Yeah 90 minutes isn’t that long when we have expeditions take 2-3 hours at the longest. I do believe there’s enough supplies by the time you deactivate the error to bypass shadow alarm to just wait 90 mins if you really wanted to

[boreal yew]

No shadows on error wave

[mellow hedge]

you can always just melee snatchers tbf

[pure belfry]

oh they were part of the error waves

[boreal yew]

The error wave used to have some flyers, and there is a 60% ~ 70% chance the a flyer will stuck under ground, so a patch later remove flyers from the error wave

[pure belfry]

Such interesting history R7D1 has lol

[boreal yew]

I don't think R7D1 first error ever spawn shadows

[rose nova]

r7d1? flyers? wah

i don't remember that at all

[mellow hedge]

i didnt play r7d1 early enough to know

[boreal yew]

It used to be a miracle to have a proper full R7D1 run

[rose nova]

i mean i remember that

idk i loved kinda through the r7 release

it's when i started playin

[junior latch]

Oh god the stuck flyers

[junior latch]

Nothing rly should take 2-3 hours unless you go afk

Upper limit realistically (unless you skip to smth way above your skill level) should be 90 minutes. With 2 hours being smth that can happen due to smaller breaks

[junior latch]

R7D1 had the most game/levelbreaking bugs of any level at one point

[boreal yew]

It's just garden environment is somehow crazy broken and R7B1 is simple enough to not having issues.

[rose nova]

it had issues too it loaded for centuries
well still all garden levels do kinda that
the orange big tile also got bots stuck easily somehow
idk if it's specific to gardens but bots had issues carrying the cell through one of the tiles too

d1 just had more issues cuz it's 2 times the size

[pure belfry]

Yeah, when I think of something in the 2-3 hours range, I think of things like R5D1/R4E1 both with Main + Sec with a team that’s never done it before. Otherwise totally agree with ~90 mins

[boreal yew]

Snatchers also have much higher chance to stuck on R7D1(if a snatcher is stuck while eating, it results in 100-0 death) and can also teleport to the void.

[pure belfry]

It sure sounds like R7D1 still has a fair host of issues

[boreal yew]

Not to mention that whole R7D1 you played at 0.3 ~ 0.5 fps compare to most other levels.

[junior latch]

Oh r7b1 has issues

R7D1 issues were a lot of jank and actual bugs
To list some fun stuff:

• snatcher spawn bug
• main term command borked
• surprise box
• baby disappeared
• baby cant be input

[boreal yew]

Oh yeah, I completely forgot terminal sequence bugs... how could I

[junior latch]

Most of these things are fixed tho

you can still get borked terms due to desync

But back then terms legit became unuseable for the objective as commands dissapeared

[pure belfry]

Oh yeah I remember that, the Main terminal command is still typo’d on the HUD just like R7C2 thunderdome telling you to issue a command on a terminal in a zone that both can’t be accessed at that time and doesn’t have a Terminal

[junior latch]

its also funny to know that you can technically beat the level babyless

[boreal yew]

Yeah, recent R7D1 runs (after R8 release) are mostly fine

[pure belfry]

That’s good at least, massively reducing the array of issues it had. It’s a cool level, first to do Floodways + Gardens together I believe

[gaunt bridge]

hi brothers

[honest parrot]

Hello

[pure belfry]

Found the patch notes. Correction, it was R7C2 that had Shadows spawning; but I knew the error in R7D1 had been changed somehow

[analog flicker]

Overload error?

Nvm iirc.

[pure belfry]

Nah, I’m told that’s an “event” so your stamina isn’t in combat state the whole mission

[analog flicker]

One of the other doors you touch ahead is an error

[pure belfry]

Yeah

[analog flicker]

Been forever since I've touched that level

[sacred briar]

oh yeah i remember those random shadows in r7c2

good riddance

[near stag]

R7C2 Has No shadows or am i trippin???

[pure belfry]

It used to

[near stag]

Mmm

[pure belfry]

#patch-notes message

The patch notes in question

[sacred briar]

i’m fairly certain it was just a typo in one of the alarm’s enemy population

[junior latch]

Only due to an accident

they werent intended and only appeared during a patch and then got removed

[gaunt nacelle]

Speaking of bugs, when was the last bug fix?

[pure belfry]

do you recall exactly where those shadows spawned?

[sacred briar]

it was the door before the big donut room iirc

[junior latch]

[gaunt nacelle]

Nvm there’s a channel for that

[junior latch]

last patch was early 2024

[junior latch]

I never played the bugged version

[gaunt nacelle]

Fully abandoned game 😔

[sacred briar]

in the bugged wave it made the level near unplayable bc you defiantly don’t have the resources for all of those shadows it spawned

at least at the time i wasn’t nearly as good of a player

[pure belfry]

no worries. i’ll do some more digging

R7C2 PE is one of my favorite structures of performing PE, due to having to partially do them in chunks

[gaunt nacelle]

”Fixed a bug where you could do START commands if host was nearby” lol I wonder if this ever was an issue

[pure belfry]

Also it’s the debut of Big Flyers in Complex

(In Ovl)

[sacred briar]

r7c2 is one of my favorite levels. just, it’s such a long level lol

[proper iron]

start vent and etc

[gaunt nacelle]

Yea ik, MM must’ve been very fun

[sacred briar]

i should do a level tier list, but just my favs bc i cba to rank 80 levels

[gaunt nacelle]

If R6BX isn’t B tier or above bad tier list

[sacred briar]

i have recency bias, hardly remember much of r2-r5 lol

[proper iron]

you must like to watch the world burn lol

[gaunt nacelle]

I hated doing R2C2 but I also like it

[gaunt nacelle]

muehahahhahaha

[sacred briar]

was that the error alarm one

[gaunt nacelle]

Yep

But I did with bots so biased

Also once I did R6BX I opened up to error alarms

They’re adrenaline sim

[hasty bobcat]

is there a level tier list actually

[sacred briar]

found this

https://tiermaker.com/create/gtfo-levels-15862980

[hasty bobcat]

huge

[junior latch]

R7B3 for R7
R6AX obviously for R6

[junior latch]

Ah yea I made a few tierlist templates

that being one

[pure belfry]

Hm; for R7B3 are there any Flyers/Big Flyers inside complex? I only did that level once so far, I remember Sec had corrupted datacubes that took you to Alpha for survival sequences with them

And then R6AX was a terminal command to warp to Alpha

[junior latch]

Secondary

[junior latch]

Yea with it being the og debut of big flyers

R7B3 has one somewhat commonly show up in the last tp

[pure belfry]

Ah yeah now I remember, that’s right

[gaunt nacelle]

Eva R4A2 worth it to bring foam or is the extra sentry smth to look into? (thinking of running me on mines so that i can place em quick after finding HSU, btw)

[proper iron]

https://tiermaker.com/create/gtfo-play-styles-15862980
yo i like this

[pure belfry]

Those are the debuts of Big Flyers in those rundowns, but they’re found during Alpha teleport sequences, R6B1 has Flyers physically inside complex after returning from Alpha, but for Big Flyers that’s not until R7C2 Overload alarm

(I think)

[junior latch]

Damn I actually forgot about that one

[junior latch]

Just run triple sentry ngl

[junior latch]

well yea since they typically bugged out easily

Smth they avoided by having them spawn in a set point high in the air in r7c2 ovl

[gaunt nacelle]

wait rly?

[junior latch]

yea

i mean you can run mines

not that it would do that much

[gaunt nacelle]

fair

ty

[junior latch]

mains chill

ovl is just shooting

[gaunt nacelle]

tripple burst im guessing

[junior latch]

sec alarm is 100% sentry power

[gaunt nacelle]

sec is kinda mine but also sentry

[junior latch]

Can run 1 hel auto and only use it for where youd mine otherwise

[gaunt nacelle]

honestly id just find a door to mine

[junior latch]

Mine rly doesnt do much ngl

The hsu itself is an alarm wave

[gaunt nacelle]

plus u find mines scattered throughout the tings

[gaunt nacelle]

oh rly?

[junior latch]

yea

While its on stuff spawns

[gaunt nacelle]

last time i did last time i was done before any more spawned

or well

done with scan

then ran back

and i died on extraction

sadge

[hoary crescent]

this pub is crazy strong

[gaunt nacelle]

carry soy in R8 strong?

[hasty bobcat]

ur pub is jukt

cooked

[shut vapor]

r2c1 cooked fr

[hoary crescent]

it is

[sacred briar]

i’m curious what ppl’s most disliked levels are

[hasty bobcat]

r2d1 is probably one of them

[gaunt nacelle]

fuck R2D1

[lost lynx]

R4C3

[sacred briar]

tier list got me thinking. bc most liked is fairly subjective

[hoary crescent]

r2d1 is great

i love that level

[proper iron]

r5b1/d1

[sacred briar]

r5d1 and r2d2 are mine

[hasty bobcat]

i can't believe u don't like r2d2

its just a shooting sim

[sacred briar]

somehow a 10 stage reactor is really boring

[hasty bobcat]

it's more like tedious prob

but i get u

[hoary crescent]

r2d2 is like

6/10

[fringe garden]

anyone who thinks r2d2 is boring hasn't full sent it enough

[hasty bobcat]

its like half levels tho

if u full send it's fun

[hoary crescent]

r2d2 depends on who you run it with

if it's 2 good players it's a snooze fest

if it's a full pub

now it's fun

[hasty bobcat]

fair

[gaunt nacelle]

"if you play a certain way its fun" doesnt make a level fun imo

[junior latch]

Theres differences for me depending on whether its first experience, replayability and speedrunning

[gaunt nacelle]

needs to be several ways

[hoary crescent]

no you misunderstand

[junior latch]

R8D1 sucks in the latter 2

[hoary crescent]

it's not HOW YOU PLAY

[hasty bobcat]

^

[hoary crescent]

it's who you play it with

i'm talking the level about the first time oyu play it

[hasty bobcat]

i highly agree

[hoary crescent]

r2d2 is fun-ish

first time r5b1? horrible, always

no matter what

[sacred briar]

it’s only fun inherently bc it’s a reactor startup imo

[junior latch]

Ill likely make an extensive video or smth about this at some point

But currently im working on a guide and a review

[sacred briar]

but it’s easily the worst reactor startup level imo

[junior latch]

R2D2?

[hasty bobcat]

it needs 3 dif tier lists

[junior latch]

hell na

[hasty bobcat]

i feel like

[hasty bobcat]

tbf it might be r1c1 angle

[junior latch]

in a way if a level is good first experience that counter weighs being bad on replayability

i think you can do it on 1

[gaunt nacelle]

is zone_111 the south zone for R4A2 secondary?

[junior latch]

just gotta be done well

[sacred briar]

it feels a little wrong to me to put too much hate on r1

[junior latch]

Yea

[hasty bobcat]

ye

it's just

[hoary crescent]

he's right

[hasty bobcat]

u gotta actually take everything into account

[junior latch]

R1C1 is an awfully boring shooting simulator

R2D2 is a legit good level

[latent palm]

Which sky never do

[hasty bobcat]

yes

[latent palm]

And still carries

[hasty bobcat]

no

wait

[latent palm]

This is so shit

[pure belfry]

First experience being the among the worst that hasn’t been mentioned yet has to be R5B2 Overload, if you don’t know about effective spawnblocking by that point you are definitely going to have a bad time, and this was a reality for one of the external playgroups I know that started with R5

[junior latch]

First experience imo shouldnt consider not knowing basic mechanics unless legit an A tier

[hasty bobcat]

b2 ov first time is cooked

[sacred briar]

what’s the deal with r5b1 and r5b2? i don’t remember those ones

[junior latch]

r5b2pe is

1. not an a tier
2. a pe
3. in Rundown 5

[hasty bobcat]

b1 is reactor into gens into hsu?

or smth

b2 is just jukt

[hoary crescent]

nah

b2 is a good level

[junior latch]

Hsu into reac into gens

Level is ok until sec where it goes to shit

[shut vapor]

r5b1 is hsu, sec cell dist, ovl reactor
r5b2 is glp, sec uplink, ovl osip

[hasty bobcat]

yea sec is cooked

[proper iron]

b1 error bbc hsu, cell in infect fog, reactor

[hoary crescent]

r5b1 is bad

really bad

[pure belfry]

Agreed. It’s also on them because they tried PE blind

Like first drop in

open the alt sectors

[hasty bobcat]

b1 has a fun reactor

[sacred briar]

r5d1: i love getting a key to get a key to get a key and then having shadow-fog respawn rooms + infection for

[hasty bobcat]

but rest is jukt

[hoary crescent]

but reactor is 1/3 of the mission

[hasty bobcat]

ye

[pure belfry]

R5B1 certainly does have one of the most explosive main objectives

[junior latch]

eh

[pure belfry]

You don’t really think of a B tier main and then suddenly charger giant error

[junior latch]

Thats just r5

[hoary crescent]

ghostly kind of right-ish

[hasty bobcat]

i mean it is just 2 bbcs

[shut vapor]

should've seen og version. Giant chargers sleeping in those zones with the giant charger error

[hoary crescent]

okay but you forget not everyone

has 1000+ houirs

in the game sky

LOL

2 bbc can be quite scary for someone normal

[junior latch]

And a scout

[hasty bobcat]

riiiiight

[latent palm]

Why is r5b4 so boring

[shut vapor]

2 bbcs can be scary with ragdoll 😔

[junior latch]

R5B1 in og was insane main for a B tier

[hasty bobcat]

cuz timer

[junior latch]

We first cleared as semi newbies but god

[hasty bobcat]

without it might actually be fun

[junior latch]

It was an insane clutch

[latent palm]

The locked door experience

[hasty bobcat]

ye

[junior latch]

R5B4 isnt even good first time yea

[hoary crescent]

you also forget normal people sometimes don't all use hel weapons

people actually pub with machineguns

[junior latch]

R6C3 main is a straight upgrade and it actually has PE

[pure belfry]

So OG R5B1, EVERY sleeping giant on way to HSU was charger giant?

[latent palm]

I feel like R5 is just underwhelming

[junior latch]

No

[hoary crescent]

fighting bbc error with not s+ tier weapons is not easy for newer players

[junior latch]

But there were chargers and bbcs aswell as a scout

But only for the first patch

[wide steeple]

Scattergun goes pew pew..dont see a problem in giant charger error. Giants are better than error of 10-15 strikers

[hasty bobcat]

there was no scatter

[shut vapor]

[latent palm]

@silver spade THERE ARE NO SCATTER

[hasty bobcat]

og r6 was it?

[proper iron]

image scatter in og r5

[junior latch]

Best bbc clear in r5 was likely hel rifle btw

[hoary crescent]

less skill inflated scattergun player

[latent palm]

DONT MENTION IT

[junior latch]

No scatter or burst cannon

[pure belfry]

OG R5 did have the beloved sniper I see

That surely makes a big difference for giant error in E1

[junior latch]

Og r5 had insanely op waveclear
But boss clear was actually balanced

Sniper and shotgun were your boss clear

[mellow hedge]

pre nerf sniper on r5e1 is a very good pick

sniper is even now not a bad pick on that level

[junior latch]

I run it during all of r5 basically with scaler

[mellow hedge]

yeah i remember using sniper after the r8 nerf and just feeling like shit

"WHAT HAPPENED TO MY BOY"

[pure belfry]

Oh yeah didn’t OG R5E1 also have a tank with the blood door or something

[mellow hedge]

ye

tank instead of snatcher

[sacred briar]

surprise random snatchers in r5

[hasty bobcat]

me when r5a2

[mellow hedge]

what even was og

[pure belfry]

Nothing

[mellow hedge]

damn

[rose nova]

emptiness

[fringe garden]

the tank should have stayed for alt r5e1

[graceful geode]

Without counting maps that I struggle to find bad, just boring, like R3B1, I think my most hated is... R5D1?

[pure belfry]

Was R5D1 post shutdown res zone with log also nothing in OG

Since its a Snatcher when you open the door now

[shut vapor]

thats correct

[hasty bobcat]

jukt

[shut vapor]

no reason to go in there ever

[graceful geode]

unrelated, but I think you spacebar doesn't work correctly in case you dont know

there's 2 spaces between "stayed" and "for"

[fringe garden]

no my right hand just has shit motor skills for whatever reason it's kinda weird idr want to get into it

[rose nova]

i think it's very overheated

it's long but it can be made shorter- not 3 hours

and a log only tun tbh it's a banger

it's rly fun

u just don't give a shit

[mellow hedge]

too much gooning

[hasty bobcat]

^

[proper iron]

train your fingers

with osu

[sacred briar]

doesn’t r5d1 also have a log that you can only get by completing main?

like the zone doesn’t open until then

[mellow hedge]

yeah

idk why people yap about that log

its not hard to get

[sacred briar]

pain

[graceful geode]

I dont know why people yap about logs

[rose nova]

it's funny

[pure belfry]

yep that log is in the zone in question that spawns the snatcher now

[graceful geode]

I just dont give a shit about achievements at all since they're all fluff save for Sum Total.

[sacred briar]

as much time i’ve put into this game i should 100% it

[rose nova]

i had 7 logs left till my gtfo exploded

and all of those are in E tiers i think

funnym

[brittle schooner]

cause people insist on trying to do both main and secondary and get the log all in one run instead of just doing main

[rose nova]

gaming

[mellow hedge]

fair

[pure belfry]

It’s not a bad idea to do the first 2 rooms of Sec in R5D1 and get that log + the res on a Main Only clear

Especially if the opening of the reactor room went badly

But on a Sec clear? Nah I’m good skipping the snatcher zone, I say

[rose nova]

isn't the key in the pmom room or am i stupid

[brittle schooner]

i mean realistically reactor should have enuf resources

[rose nova]

no the key is in the fog room

isn't it

the fog zone

[gaunt nacelle]

funi fog

[rose nova]

funi

[brittle schooner]

fog turbine is in the fog zone

[rose nova]

ah

where the key then

[brittle schooner]

you dont need BK for main

there is just one

for sec

r5d1 be wack like that

[boreal yew]

Key is in the fog zone

[gaunt nacelle]

chat am i cooked for forgetting mines and foam in R4A3

[hasty bobcat]

colored key yes

[rose nova]

what

[boreal yew]

No? mines/foam definetely not mandate in R4A3

[junior latch]

mines are very very good tho

[gaunt nacelle]

aight

ty

[junior latch]

Also why not just redrop

[gaunt nacelle]

fair but yanno

cba

[hoary crescent]

uh so

i grabbde cube

and went into a ladder

am i stuck

am i stuck

[rare stone]

#gtfo-media message @gaunt nacelle wdym by that?

[hoary crescent]

#gtfo-media message

lol

[gaunt nacelle]

newbie (i dont run sniper nor pen only)

[rare stone]

oh ok

I mean you aren't a complete newbie tho

you've been around a while

[gaunt nacelle]

"a while" like one to two months

im just uh

here a lot

[hoary crescent]

so i teleported back and am stuck behind some wall

rip

[rare stone]

with complete newb I meant more like people playing it for the first time

or have very little experience

[daring ginkgo]

i like, how r8a2 split into 2

[gaunt nacelle]

fair enough ig

[graceful geode]

I dont know if you can fix that (assuming you're not hosting) by quitting, let someone else join to take your spot, then he quits and you rejoin.

[hoary crescent]

idk im waiting for them to pick up next cube

if it doesnt work i just quit, hate this level anyways

[graceful geode]

I know there's a way to reset what the lobby has memorized cause I sometimes disconnect completely and can come back as a new player with the information deleted for some reason.

[rare stone]

kinda would've preferred running cell skip (also because it's a way shorter level) but ig we're doing E2

[sacred briar]

cell skip goes hard though 🥺

[rare stone]

it does

[graceful geode]

The top 3 from that pool get into another pool anyway

[daring ginkgo]

my take for bot gaming tierlist, i only placed hard levels

https://tiermaker.com/create/gtfo-levels-15862980

[graceful geode]

So you may get R5E1 to win.

[rare stone]

oh ok

please let R5E1 win 🙏

[gaunt nacelle]

should i vote R5E1 just for u?

[rare stone]

PLEASE

[gaunt nacelle]

lol

im down

[mellow hedge]

r5e1 should really win

[rare stone]

thank you

it's quick too

[gaunt nacelle]

give me a 50 euro steam comunity link tho?

[rare stone]

oh yeah sure here you go

steam://totallylegit50giftcard

[gaunt nacelle]

ty

[mellow hedge]

wtf kinda link

[rare stone]

it's legit trust

[sacred briar]

🚨 suspicious link 🚨

[rare stone]

sus?

[sacred briar]

[rare stone]

ඞ

Peetah...

The horse is here...

[gaunt nacelle]

it doesnt do anything 😔

[rare stone]

someone else probably already claimed it

must've been the mods

[gaunt nacelle]

soy nicked it

[gaunt nacelle]

R4A3 funni layout icl

i like

shouldve brought hel weapons tho

do i have to open main door for overload?

[fringe garden]

there are two bulkhead controllers

the first chooses between secondary and main, and the second, which is behind the main door of the first controller, chooses between main and overload

[gaunt nacelle]

aight tyty

[urban trail]

In other words, probably🎣

[noble rose]

🎣

[gaunt nacelle]

🐟

[noble rose]

fishy foshy

[urban trail]

Lets go fishing🎣 🎣 🎣 🎣 🎣 🎣

[rose nova]

🐟

[noble rose]

lets go gambling using a stick and a string in the middle of a large body of water to try and catch some elliptical shaped wild life on a floating piece of metal

[vernal nebula]

Why did they have to drain the reactor cooling tanks, where am I supposed to go fishing now?

[shut vapor]

in the r6c1 pit

[wraith marsh]

no were secretely doing r6c1 again cuz everyone loved that so much

[shut vapor]

12 seconds

[wraith marsh]

shouldve been better smh

[shut vapor]

Ngl I never want to see R6C1 again

[wraith marsh]

I think I spent longer on the r3d1 comp than r6c1

by a lot actually

r5e1 will be peak

[hoary crescent]

r5e1 will be absolute cinema

[midnight mural]

any tips on beating r2e1? havent tried it yet but ive heard its hard

[lost lynx]

hel weapons carry

[manic jackal]

Is the no tools challenge allowing for the mine that you pick up and c-foam grenade/mines?

[lost lynx]

those are consumables

not tools

[rare wren]

C-Foam is dumb

[midnight mural]

man if they give me a flamethrower ill use it

[midnight mural]

sarcasm or legit?

[rare wren]

Legit

Run a Hel Auto, Burst, Mines, and Bio @midnight mural

[near stag]

get gud

[rose nova]

skipping it

jumpin to nother rundown

[pure belfry]

If you’ve been going in rundown mission sequential order yeah, skip it for now, come back later

[midnight mural]

we have been

but i want to beat it :(

[pine root]

Try it

When you get stuck we give tips then

[pure belfry]

There’s also no shame in coming back to it

It is so high above in expectations that it stops many newer teams cold even with advice because you have to be able to execute to a high degree

One of the main groups I’ve played with didn’t come back to beat it until we completely beat both Rundown 3 and almost all of Rundown 4, and we came back to it with more knowledge, experience, and renewed confidence

I’ve seen that level demotivate many newer teams headbashing against it, so you can do what’s best for you and your group and I hope you succeed

[pine root]

They haven’t even tried it

[midnight mural]

yeah i figured id ask first to save a little bit of headbashing. planning to try it anyway

[fringe garden]

ngl i think that if team mental (and social dynamic) can deal with it grinding out a clear of r2e1 with sentries and some tips and advice is better for skill progression

[pure belfry]

For sure, no harm in throwing some attempts at it

I don’t know what the team dynamic is like, so I’d just say whatever happens, either you win or just come back to it later, don’t let it completely stonewall you from R3 onwards if it comes to it

[mystic moss]

i feel like playing through the early parts of r4 helps players get accustomed to r2e1

we love r4 error spam

[midnight mural]

the team dynamic is me and a friend and 2 bots ;-; we planning to matchmake for this one though

[pure belfry]

Don’t take bots into R2E1 for your sanity pls

Maybe 1 at most

[midnight mural]

yeah thats what everyone had been saying

[pure belfry]

Bots are notoriously bad at staying alive during surge alarms and if anybody goes down, highly likely it’s a wipe because all scans are full team, at least 1 person needs to try to revive, and that’s already half your team not firing weapons or moving

Enemies get too close even if bot is up they’ll try to shove enemies a lot instead of moving or firing weapons

Kiting of course exists, but that’s not a skill I would expect most people to be practiced in let alone quite good at if they’re going in sequential rundown mission order

[worthy flicker]

For reasons that I can't really explain to you yet r2e1 with 2 bots is going to be miserable

[pine root]

Bots can’t carry heavy objects in error there is a part where you are “expected” to carry three at once

[gusty burrow]

Matchmake or LFG?

As in in-game matchmaking or LFGs here on the discord

[rare wren]

@pine root Isn't the intended mechanic to only carry two?

[pine root]

No

[rare wren]

And you're supposed to get the cell later

[worthy flicker]

No?

[rare wren]

Huh

[pure belfry]

It’s 3

[rare wren]

Weird

[fringe garden]

?? they give you the cell so that you can choose to carry it with you

[pine root]

You get one from that zone you always have access to 3

But for the two two boys it will probs be easier to high roll a good cell spawn with q2 checking

[rare wren]

I've always done it by carrying the 3, just was checking the wiki and musta misread something

[fringe garden]

high roll scaffold K cell into gen D cell 🔥

[pine root]

Tbh I might just skip the fog turbine

[pure belfry]

If they end up doing an LFG with 2 vets especially if they’ve cleared they can likely pull it off, the warning against this mission is for like a team of 4 newer players

[fringe garden]

when i duod r2e1 we just dropped turbine and took neonate and cell

[pure belfry]

Yeah duo you ditch turbine but that’s not intended

[fringe garden]

chug med for surge and then get dis before last surge

[pine root]

Yes

[fringe garden]

im scared to look back at the recording of my 2e1 duo ngl i had like 1k less hours so i might throw up seeing my gameplay

[sullen finch]

just drop baby

[worn kiln]

How fat must the neonate be if you have to two hand it

Should be able to carry baby one handed

[fringe garden]

it isn't very fat

it however has a very heavy wheel-less stroller

[worn kiln]

True

What about cells though

They literally have handles

[fringe garden]

have you seen graphics cards these days

of course they're 2 hands

[worn kiln]

You got me there ig

Gtfo needs a mule

[fringe garden]

pub #2 is the mule

[worn kiln]

Pub?

Hmm

No thank you

Last time I lfgd was r2

[pure belfry]

GTFO with Low Oxygen modifier

[fringe garden]

og or alt

[worn kiln]

Og

[worn kiln]

Disgusting

[fringe garden]

soy that's like 4 years ago

[worn kiln]

Yes

[fringe garden]

yet you're still here

there is no escape

[worn kiln]

Tis the curse of being a moderator

[pure belfry]

Not only is Soy still here they’re in charge

[worn kiln]

As soon as I got a purple name I stopped pubbing

[lost lynx]

[midnight mural]

lfg on discord

[fringe garden]

just manage enemy waves and it'll be fine

[noble rose]

I listen to nonstop mommy ASMR telling me I am a good boi whenever I'm sololing to calm me down

[mellow hedge]

^

[compact folio]

:[ guess I'll run r5c2 back next week when my group might be available for more than an hour

Not enough coordination during room scan

[fringe garden]

not enough time to do r5c2

1 hour is enough for main + ovl maybe but secondary adds 40 minutes

[compact folio]

Yeah

I know

I just wish that we could do more than a mission or 1 or two attempts per week

[fringe garden]

mm game fun but 1/4 retention rate is real

[mellow hedge]

anyone wanna speedrun r1a1

[fringe garden]

im down to chill playing some other game in vc while host resets yeah

[wraith marsh]

what if we reset but there was no hsu, 2 keys, maybe idk like 2 cells (but we skip one of them)

thoughts?

[fringe garden]

im in

[rose nova]

what if u reset and thers a schaeffer

[mellow hedge]

Hmm that’s a weird r1a1

[mellow hedge]

Tell Eva that he’s always happy to hear people who wanna run r1a1 lmao

We have been running a bit when not playing with Kenny

[fringe garden]

listen im already spending like 1 hour a day queueing ranked in a game (and not finding any matches) and fill out that queue with a second game

im sure i could fill out r1a1 speeds with that

[mellow hedge]

You get a match and also an actual r1a1 run, which one you doing?

[fringe garden]

probably the r1a1 because im guessing the time is less than 3 minutes

and i can throw 1 round and still win

[mellow hedge]

Yeah we only run when it’s like sub 3

[fringe garden]

(the reason i find no matches is that basically everyone is below my rating and very few even play)

[mellow hedge]

Pb rn is 2:49 so anything less than that is a shit run and should die

[fringe garden]

average

the B hsu C key force

[rare wren]

How do you learn to speedrun missions? @mellow hedge

[mellow hedge]

Uhhhhh originally if there’s already a speedrun I’d look at the wr of it then try to replicate it

[rare wren]

How do people know where shit is during drop? @mellow hedge

[mellow hedge]

Logs

Join the speedrunning server and look at guides

There is a logs guide there

You can also use something like tgb’s logger tool which automatically reads logs and shows where’s keys and such are

[rare wren]

That's legal?

[mellow hedge]

Yes

Anything you can find in logs you can use

You can also technically use the unity seed to find out stuff if you want although much harder

Like heavy carry items, resources, etc

[junior latch]

Cant rly play stuff since you gotta rdy up on repeat

But we have watched full movies together

[hasty bobcat]

second screen enjoyers

[mellow hedge]

alt tabbing every 5 seconds

[shut vapor]

Need a script that constantly tries to ready up

[mellow hedge]

he means watch hanimoon advanced mechanics guide

and advanced player guide

the advanced player guide would probably help the most

[mellow hedge]

that guys a pub

[silver spade]

HANIMOON SUCKS

That R4E1 solo he streamed? That was actually me playing, I just gave him the mic at the end.

@mellow plume cmon, you know its true.

[pure belfry]

How much infection is mandatory by backtracking to get the first bulkhead key

[mellow hedge]

He used boosters

[fringe garden]

(with no boosters, you can get away with just about 30%)

[hasty bobcat]

^

[gaunt nacelle]

has someone created a GTFO wordle where it has all of the passwords for terms, reactors etc?

[fringe garden]

no but that'd be kinda funny i should make it

[graceful geode]

There was a list aeons ago

[honest parrot]

There's a reddit list

[graceful geode]

I remember because I bruteforced the pass for terminal in R6D2 Extreme

[fringe garden]

the list is still going around

[honest parrot]

If you care to search it

[graceful geode]

That was OG

[fringe garden]

i have a copy of the list

[gaunt nacelle]

yea but i jsut wanna play worlde when im bored so yanno

[graceful geode]

so not sure there's a list with new ones

[gaunt nacelle]

why not codes

[honest parrot]

Did it get updated?

Oh no

[graceful geode]

No idea

[fringe garden]

i have a list of new ones one moment

#gtfo-spoiler-chat message

[mellow plume]

It's true you are the bestgtfoplayer

[silver spade]

ty

[gaunt nacelle]

🐠

[mystic pasture]

romani pe aici ?

[gaunt nacelle]

theres probably some romanians but i cant find a romanian specific server, you could maybe use #lfg-eastern-europe and specify romania

[elder sky]

Just cracked R8B4 with my team, first time ever. Got brutalised by it back in August and September but came back after a long break and finally got it done! Feels good

[honest parrot]

congrats

Get ready to get faqed in R8C2

[boreal yew]

C2 is much easier than R8B4 imo

[proper iron]

i like r8b4 and i hate r8c2

r8c2 "starvation" lmao

[honest parrot]

until you get snatcher bugged last minute

Then it becomes a shitshow

[sacred briar]

i’m still traumatized from r8b4 on r8 initial release

[honest parrot]

With sec probably

how did people clear it before they patched it anyways?

[sacred briar]

they didn’t

[hasty bobcat]

it was a supply perma foam angle all along

[junior latch]

they did lol

[sacred briar]

you didnt get completions, extraction was effectively a surge error, and the big stratified room was a little harder iirc

[hasty bobcat]

no trust

[junior latch]

the nerf to the level was way after sec completion bug was fixed (which wasnt even around for long)

[sacred briar]

point being it was certainly a brief difficulty spike that left some marks on me lol

[mellow hedge]

@pseudo sedge

[pseudo sedge]

theft.

[mellow hedge]

speak your mother tongue

[pseudo sedge]

fur

[boreal yew]

It was crazy hard especially when fog repellers aren't even guaranteed

[wraith marsh]

[boreal yew]

Though I have no idea how people find out you can go all the way back to beginning and lower the fog again

[modern coral]

The consistency strat is pushing out after team scans

Only way to make it not horrible w/out fogs

[gaunt nacelle]

Lemme guess ur weapons starve?

[hasty bobcat]

u just don't get a lot

[gaunt nacelle]

Who would’ve thought lol

[boreal yew]

The point of C2 is resources intensity. Probably only after R7E1. Still it's just not as hard as other R8-2 levels

[rose nova]

so funny the levels i was supposed to struggle with the most i just got so lucky doing lfgs

b4 and d2 were difficult but c2 might've costed me more tries

[sacred briar]

d2 probably took my team the most time

[rose nova]

it took me quite the attempts for sec, but once i got sec i um onetried main lol

[noble rose]

sec c

👅

[hearty lily]

Me when i do both terminals on threshold before the door that leads to extraction

Silly moment

[shut vapor]

Can someone host some goofy level so I can brainless play

[noble rose]

r6c3

[hasty bobcat]

is not goofy

honestly i can't think of a goofy level

[shut vapor]

I can

r7d2

[hasty bobcat]

oh that type beat

just host urself

r3d1 also works prob

[shut vapor]

😭 I love ragdoll so much

[shut vapor]

Fellas discord died, what do

[gaunt nacelle]

touch grass

[sullen finch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/stickers/963932583333351474.png?size=160+creature

:ccc

[hoary crescent]

embed fail

lser

loser

[shut vapor]

EPIC EMBED LOSER!

[worn kiln]

imagine failing an embed

couldnt be me

[shut vapor]

show us how its done

[sullen finch]

going to apply for mod only for the embed powers

[gaunt nacelle]

I had a stroke reading that

[gaunt nacelle]

W’s

[worn kiln]

pretty sure you actually have to graduate to admin first

but let that be more motivation

[gaunt nacelle]

Admin abooooooze plz ban

[worn kiln]

you want me to ban you?

if you say so

[gaunt nacelle]

😭

🫡fun whilst it lasted chat

[shut vapor]

Finally some proper moderation

Getting rid of the toxic people

[sullen finch]

ong

ban anyone who isnt a toxic vet

[shut vapor]

I'm a vet but I'm just stupid

Can i be banned

[gaunt nacelle]

Sadge to see I’ve fallen to these levels🙏

Soon I’ll be up there with the red names

[hearty lily]

:(

[shut vapor]

It's too late, the chain was broken

[hearty lily]

Damn you

[boreal yew]

A very simple rule of thumb: stay alive > progress scan > killing enemies. But when you keep practicing, you can tell when to play greedy and when to play extra safe, it varies depends on alarms.

[fringe garden]

prio really depends on res situation

generally you have enough res that prio is avoiding damage > killing wave > doing scans

killing wave on scan when possible, and doing scans between waves if forced off

[hearty lily]

Low-key I'm always just doing scan and killing unless I get overwhelmed a bit

[rare wren]

So is it correct to say that Professor Scaler just like

Isn't that good?

Like at the game

[junior latch]

„Isnt that good“

relative to what

Is scaler a top tier player of the top tier players? No I wouldnt say so

But hes cleared the full game pretty handily, multiple times. Is def on the more knowledable side and isnt one to throw you runs

in league terms

He might not be top 10 challenger. But that doesnt make one not good

[rare wren]

I've watched a few of his vids and his gameplay just seems very

Lacking?

Is it just a problem with his older content from like 3 years ago?

[gaunt nacelle]

His walkthroughs aren’t that bad imo, every time I used one I’ve beaten that level so

[mellow hedge]

Those are probably first time playthroughs so he focussed more on the environment and lore rather than gameplay

Scaler isn’t a bad player

I played with him and his knowledge is quite good

He’s not pub tier but as Eva said, not esports pro tier

[junior latch]

Gotta think of it like this aswell (aside from 3 year old content generally being somewhat aged)

If you had the chance to look at everyones gameplay all the time, it likely wouldnt look as good as expected

[gaunt nacelle]

Im defending scaler to the grave

He da goat of the pubs

[junior latch]

tbf the whole pub tier is a terrible way of ranking

since pubs not only massively vary

but discord players on average are not the games average skill and knowledge lvl

[gaunt nacelle]

Fairs

[mellow hedge]

I haven’t really looked at much of scalers gameplay, but he was pretty decent when I played with him

[gaunt nacelle]

He’s good at making tutorials

[mellow hedge]

Yeah

Some are outdated but they are mostly quite good

[gaunt nacelle]

Outdated is just the loadout no?

[mellow hedge]

Na sometimes strats are outdated

Like his e2 video

Rector section isn’t super amazing

There are much easier strats

[junior latch]

Hes good quite clear strengths and weaknesses

But like… hes a super cool and fun guy to play with and more than good enough.

[gaunt nacelle]

Haven’t seen that one tbf

[junior latch]

Id rather have a good but not crazy good player whos cool than an insanely good asshole to play with

[flat perch]

imho he's real decent with the knife, walking thru a room stab after stab clearing everything in it, or jumping over a scout and stabbing down etc

[rare wren]

So I'm probably just being overly critical

[gaunt nacelle]

This lol

[junior latch]

Yea

[mellow hedge]

You see a lot of flaws watching other people’s gameplay

[flat perch]

and what i like is his humor, if something goes wrong it's laughs and smiles instead of curses and accusations

[gaunt nacelle]

Wouldn’t say overly

[mellow hedge]

It’s the reason why you don’t notice your flaws

And having an outside perspective is good

[gaunt nacelle]

I curse and accusate myself

[junior latch]

Theres 3 things:

1. scaler has an actual outdated strat (which is completely fine)
2. scaler has smth that people didnt know about was wrong (see r7d2 holding) at the time of the guide
3. scaler recommends shotgun sentry

[flat perch]

as we all do, but his philo is "we can always just reset and do over"

[rare wren]

This is why I need people who are overly accusatory and curse

[rare wren]

He also recommends spear

[gaunt nacelle]

Mfw I wake up the first room and proceed to die 😭

[junior latch]

Also depends on WHAT you play

My speed gameplay is so much worse mechanically and decision making wise than normal gameplay.
Because focus is on GOGOGOGO not „safely beat this“

[gaunt nacelle]

Its not that bad imo

[rare wren]

I don't like spear purely cause I can't go fast

[junior latch]

Not rly?

[flat perch]

as far as i've seen since r6 he's been a knife meta (heretic!)

[mellow hedge]

Yeah same, although I think I’m decent at intuitive gameplay

[flat perch]

<popcorn> <3d glasses>

[gaunt nacelle]

For experienced players I can see it being fine

[mellow hedge]

It’s ass

[pseudo sedge]

Also what is a flaw changes based on what you are going for. Example: r3d1 yolo strat speedrun vs sub 11 strat speedrun

[junior latch]

Im not saying I (we) play like shit in speeds

But the time pressure/goal makes everything more erratic

[gaunt nacelle]

It’s only lacking in speed, most of the time you are stealthing and slow stealth is just taking it slow

[mellow hedge]

Yeah and with 4 people doing it at once lmao

[honest parrot]

Are we still talking about scaler or smth else already?

[junior latch]

He knows hammer is best tho

[gaunt nacelle]

Yesnt

[mellow hedge]

Slow stealth is ass

And I still prefer hammer

[gaunt nacelle]

Says the speedrunner lol

Slow stealth isn’t that bad

Slow and steady wins the race

[honest parrot]

Eh pubs like slow stealth sometimes
Especially the ones that die off on the game after R4