isle-discussion

[regal notch]

then we're back to the main issue, how deino is just gonna outright deny them from existing in the same section of water as it lol

austro sees it and goes "nah I'm good" and just leaves LOL

[sick kraken]

just don’t be like 40 feet from land. if ur within like 15 feet u can probably escape

[tardy breach]

Yeah deino is just really bad for the game rn imo

[regal notch]

just like spiro days

[sick kraken]

if they increase water vision that is

[regal notch]

deino's water vision sounds like the biggest balancing choice to allow other semi aquatics to exist to me

[sick kraken]

i think it works out fine as long as the guys who have good land capability don’t stray too far from land

[regal notch]

which would be fitting not to go "uhm actually they're not crocs" but like crocs IRL snap at movement more than sight

[sick kraken]

if u got both u should use both yknow

[regal notch]

this is how hotspots like in spiro got made though is the problem

[shrewd sky]

[sick kraken]

how so?

[median fulcrum]

irl crocs dont snap at movement they wait for the perfect moment so yeah they use sight

[regal notch]

the sections of water and open land become expected to have X creature nearby, so deinos camp it and land pack hunters camp it

[shrewd sky]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-meg-griffin-i-just-wanna-talk-to-him-put-that-gun-away-family-guy-gif-14677957

[regal notch]

to a degree, but if they sense/see/feel movement nearby flopping in the water, they snap af

[sick kraken]

on gateway hotspots are usually entirely player made. the community just gravitates to where other people have been for no real reason that has to do with map design

[shrewd sky]

Birt

[tardy breach]

Deino being like water rex with speed boost mechanic but otherwise slow moving would be neat maybe

Usually can be avoided but don’t get comfortable around it

[regal notch]

on spiro it was because a lot of food was visible in the open fields and the water source was nearby too, everything was just available to everyone lol

[sick kraken]

like dibble island existed and delta is still the hotspot even tho they’ve been gone for a while. people just accept 1 area as the deathbowl and keep going

[tardy breach]

I stand by it

I pity deino players because that things gameplay is hell

But also they do nothing but make the game less fun for everyone else so

[sick kraken]

well yea hotspots do usually have open areas and water u r correct ab that

[shrewd sky]

50km/h is slow since when

[regal notch]

ngl I go there cuz food and it's a constant migration zone LMAO

[tardy breach]

I’m saying that as a suggestion not an observation

[shrewd sky]

Ye that's me

[regal notch]

bary and austro gonna just contribute more to the "near water and is food" to make the hotspot more favorable

[past dune]

Well, to a certain extent they are influenced by the Migrations, but that only determines the rough area they start in, they don't actually have any influence on the hotspots past that point because players have little to no incentive to engage with it beyond that.

[sick kraken]

nah. bary and austro won’t be food. simply enter the water. if there’s a deino u were unaware and shoulda went down the river

[regal notch]

I would love more reason to wade in water on the surface and not strictly be stuck camping a random river spot as deino ngl

[sick kraken]

ya i did overlook delta being the constant mz these days

[regal notch]

not my point, the point is everything will congregate more than it already does because they know they need food/resources from there and will naturally go there as compared to things that hunt in the jungle or sanctuaries etc

[sick kraken]

but back when it was SP or highlands, those were hotspots just because people agreed they were such

[shrewd sky]

https://tenor.com/view/dillom-rage-dog-angry-dog-gif-17954176246139200797

[tranquil karma]

People love large open areas

Except the swamp weirdos

[regal notch]

if I as a player know I'm going to see Bary's and Austros are going to X, I'm also going there to kill and hunt BAry's and austros, on top of the already existing AI/water there, they don't help alleviate the issue

[shrewd sky]

They like that too since I killed some rexes there

[regal notch]

I will say I am hoping the swamp becomes more active because the waddling through water mutation will be godlike on bary there

[sick kraken]

that’s only an issue if barys and austros only go to 1 water source methinks. remember they can go highlands if they want. northwest lake area thing, west rail, there’s a ton of little ponds n stuff for these guys

[regal notch]

might even see hererras and more things exist in the swamp

[shrewd sky]

Hope for it too more food for me

[sick kraken]

ya i want swamp overhauled

[stone tiger]

What will prey on Bary?

[regal notch]

which you know they're going to do

[sick kraken]

everyone knows by spino releases swamp will be reworked so spino can enjoy

[shrewd sky]

Deinomucus

[regal notch]

if I were to guess, troodon, fish, crab, beipi, small things that no one plays enough of

[tranquil karma]

We do?

[sick kraken]

not rly an animal design thing and just a player issue tho. u just gotta make delta not a hotspot anymore

[past dune]

Yeah, but even then, WR and Highlands were both prevalent migration zones. The Migrations influenced the starting point of the hotspots. Players just had no reason to leave. People agreed as such because it was the most convenient, but I'm just saying it started because there was a MZ or convenient spawn there.

[regal notch]

I agree on that, or it just needs to not be as common

it's also the only spot I know food even exists, everywhere else I go... almost never food there

[sick kraken]

yea that’s true but other open plains had MZ, though idk if it was bugged or something towards sp

[regal notch]

I want to not have to go to delta... but everything currently points a player to go there

[sick kraken]

oh yea that part does suck. they are capable of killing hotspots tho

[regal notch]

frankly (and I can't believe I'm saying this considering how gateway started) I miss going to north lake

[sick kraken]

they did it to sp by putting trees everywhere lol, tho i dont want everywhere to be jungle

[tranquil karma]

Then we'd be yelling to kill the next Hotspot, and so on until the game dies.

[stone tiger]

"Prey on Bary" means Hunting on Bary

What would hunt on Bary?

[sick kraken]

ya we need a migration system rework or something

[gritty hamlet]

i think dev said if something were to cross a river bary could mess it up and the prey could eventually die to blood loss

[regal notch]

oh, prolly everything ngl lol

[past dune]

Gee if only there was a way to have a mechanic to solve the hotspots... shame there isn't tho. Quite the bummer indeed.

[sick kraken]

that’s true but who on earth is crossing rivers in this economy

[regal notch]

https://giphy.com/gifs/queen-mariah-confirmed-n61WuwCsza0h2

[gritty hamlet]

ceras they re quite good in water

[stone tiger]

[earnest sand]

Deinos up the ass bro

[sick kraken]

yerp

[past dune]

Really is a shame.

[gritty hamlet]

herbis in delta

[regal notch]

can't imagine if we ever got such a thing, ah well

[gritty hamlet]

bary elder is like over 2tons

[sick kraken]

maybe ur right. i haven’t seen that but could be just different luck

[regal notch]

some day the list of prey on each dinosaur is actually going to be naturally located in the areas they list.

[sick kraken]

i’ll go all the way up north to that bridge under water access before i cross delta tho

[regal notch]

can't imagine what mechanic will do that though either.

like how goat says "all biomes" but then only spawns in the highlands

[sick kraken]

yea i’ve been a big supporter of make the game make you want to stick to areas where your dino is proficient

not thru a mechanic like heat that forces it, just you’ll die by animals that work well there

we already have that a little but i’d like more.

[regal notch]

I'd love to live in a biome my creature supports. I WANT to be a swamp bary, and optionally relocate to a river, but the game is gonna point me to a jungle or delta :'D

and then conveniently herbivores migrate and food would become natural

[sick kraken]

they made stego impossible to play in the jungle which is good but it’s also not really that strong in the plains sooo

[jolly scroll]

Algún español?

[sonic yarrow]

anyone else been having trouble growing their crocs past like 30% because there's no food anywhere and you always spawn 500 miles from migration zone

[regal notch]

stego still does what it always does, it goes to an elevation/corner so its tail sticks out and you get 1 shot by it

[regal notch]

yeh, fish are broken

[sick kraken]

if u dare enter a plains alone and a competent rex sees you ur just a little dead tho

luckily most rex are not competent

[regal notch]

on that note, sick of seeing only rexes

[sick kraken]

yeah u just gotta wait for quetz and spino. people are always gonna play the big teeth guy

[regal notch]

I have a feeling rex is gonna stay dominant for a while and mix pack the most even after both

[sonic yarrow]

thought so, out of sheer determination i think i've spawned in like 8 seperate crocs and have only seen ONE elite fish and one school of tiny fish, died every single time

genuinely getting so frustrated

[regal notch]

I'm lucky to see them on the way to delta from access personally :'D

[regal notch]

The Isle™

[sonic yarrow]

probably also doesnt help that i dont know any location on the map nor how to navigate it

[regal notch]

or that croc spawns either in water access where fish can exist or the swamp where nothing exists

[sick kraken]

ye this is why we ALL play mettas den

[regal notch]

or north lake where also nothing exists

[sick kraken]

until mixpacks solution is added

[regal notch]

I tried it, I didn't last long due to the amount of rexes and allos still there, I still petit pieds but they don't have AI so I'm screwed :'D

[shrewd sky]

Fish spawn in swamp and hl u just have to know how they spawn

[regal notch]

elite fish, not just regular bois

I think I've seen elite fish in swamp.... once lol

[shrewd sky]

Yea that's what I meant

[sick kraken]

really? i’ve had a nice time growing my trike there

[regal notch]

it's trike tho 💀

[sick kraken]

i’ve had to fend off my fair share of allos but haven’t seen a big rex. i avoid plains

[shrewd sky]

Did u fight deino there?

[sonic yarrow]

out of all 8 attempts i spawned in the swamp like 5 times, not a single soul to be found there

[sick kraken]

naur

[sonic yarrow]

crazy that you actually find anything

[sick kraken]

i don’t fight unless i have to so fighting deino would just be never

[regal notch]

here's hoping AI is fixed next patch... ya know, again..

[lost citrus]

I personally don't think it's a bug, I think devs want to push deino away from relying on fish too much

[sonic yarrow]

yeah i hope so, from what i read there's this little fish to try and fix server lag by not having too much AI around but it just makes it 100 times harder for everyone, especially when you play on low pop servers

[lost citrus]

And they are just finding the sweet spot for AI quantity

[regal notch]

what it's going to do is push bary to be its main target as soon as it's out tho cuz deino can't find anyone drinking water anymore due to reabsorption :'D

[sonic yarrow]

thats fair but only baby crocs rely on fish, at some point adult crocs cant sustain themselves on just fish unless theres like dozens around which is never the case

[lilac hawk]

how many months will it be for next playable?

[leaden cobalt]

No etas unfortunately

[sick kraken]

like 5 at most we heard

[lilac hawk]

jeez

[regal notch]

Deino's honestly just in the weirdest spot rn

[lost citrus]

you can find the answer to that with #10
#rules-and-info message

[sick kraken]

we litcherally were told next playables within 6 months a little bit ago fellas

[regal notch]

it will always be 6 months from whenever you ask

[sick kraken]

nah my guess is it’s way closer and 6 months was if everything super explodes

[regal notch]

6 months.... maybe more.

[gritty hamlet]

likely within 6months

[past dune]

Just Austro

[wide dock]

Dont u dare do that to barry

[gritty hamlet]

https://klipy.com/gifs/say-wallahi-speed-put-that-on-allah-speed

[regal notch]

it's too late, it's canon

[rare tide]

-_-

[sick kraken]

austro minimum ya but we all know kentros very close to the same progress austro is

[regal notch]

you're welcome <3

[wide dock]

There IS NOOO WAY we get ONLY austro in HT

[dreamy crag]

Whats the current player count at??

[sick kraken]

17

[gritty hamlet]

within 6 months just for austro is quite insane but whatever

[past dune]

idk

[sick kraken]

that wasn’t what was said. someone just asked when austro and they said within 6 months. doesent mean it’s not in a week.

[dreamy crag]

Im genuinely curious if this game has a steady income of new players or if its the same 5K people every day (majority on legacy)

[stone tiger]

Austroraptor

[gritty hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-yeah-right-ishowspeed-yeah-ishowspeed-right-ishowspeed-stream-gif-2870397197282141259

[regal notch]

my ass actually clicked on the speaker 💀

[lost citrus]

I doubt the majority are on legacy still

[sick kraken]

who is playing legacy still? i thought the only reason people played was because allo and rex weren’t evrima

[stone tiger]

Why

[lost citrus]

just tell them rule 10 and move on, tbh

[dreamy crag]

That is a good point ngl

[regal notch]

so is Ovi getting the mimic call ability?

[past dune]

Legacy is a pretty small minority of the players right now.

[dreamy crag]

Also ik a ton of people couldnt play Evrima bc their pc couldn't handle it too

[regal notch]

aka stealing Troodon's turf

[lost citrus]

we have no idea

[regal notch]

looks like it should ngl

[sick kraken]

anyone want to speculate on dinosaur pvp matchups :)

[indigo mountain]

hecker

[lost citrus]

I feel like mimic calls would be equally useless on troodon and ovi

[dreamy crag]

I forgot what youtube vid I watched but during when they counted it was actually a lot higher than I expected (NOT counting the chinese copy paste servers)

[dreamy tangle]

He kill him slef for me :} love this game

[regal notch]

I think it'd work better on ovi than troo

[sick kraken]

it’s neat if they can actually enter human vc, but i think that’s just for neuros

[indigo mountain]

hoi hecker how is u

[regal notch]

lemme mimic a rex and scare something off or mimic a troodon and lure bait

[craggy ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/undertale-temmie-dog-shaking-video-game-gif-16455845

[dreamy crag]

Thanks!

[indigo mountain]

it would be fun if you could lure people together to spit on them. like for hypsi. or for troodon to then laugh at them a bite them

[past dune]

Doing alright, how are you?

[regal notch]

^

[indigo mountain]

pretty good, i grew my mutant bacteria today so i'm one step closer to world domination.

[dreamy crag]

imagine if spit had a wider AOE

[past dune]

Nice!

[leaden cobalt]

Hi

[indigo mountain]

:D

[somber urchin]

hi

[craggy ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/telugu-gifs-comedy-spitting-iamhemuk-gif-27456002

[dreamy crag]

Pigeon!!!

[indigo mountain]

hi macerik hi pide

[leaden cobalt]

:D

[placid tapir]

What a weird looking hypsi

[indigo mountain]

this PLEASE. xD

[craggy ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/alpaga-spit-run-away-craven-funny-gif-21733993

[dreamy crag]

On topic of dying games

I revisited BoB and its still BoBing

Oh how I love playing as LSD epilepsy dino

[stone tiger]

Looks like Grandma entombed in the lake?

[past dune]

Its death shall not be mourned.

[supple thorn]

Stop adding new playables into a hordetest. It divides the playerbase (more then alreadly) and makes the release of a new dino on the offical branch less exciting.

[regal notch]

you're right, they should release them filled with their bugs and untested straight into public 👍

[supple thorn]

Thank you.

[regal notch]

frankly, we should just never get bugs fixed and only add new playables

[stone tiger]

hordeTEST

[regal notch]

that will help the game's health for sure

[supple thorn]

You know you can fix the bugs before adding it to the game? I dont think the devs have figure that one out yet

[stone tiger]

Its for testing

[regal notch]

woahaohahoa this is new information

[hoary sage]

The tests are to help find the bugs

[stone tiger]

No you cant without testing

[regal notch]

guys someone tell the devs quick they can fix bugs before adding them

[sonic yarrow]

now this is peak the isle gameplay being protected by 3 dryos

[leaden cobalt]

[regal notch]

it's almost like the bugs that exist.... weren't there until they got added to the main branch. That'd be a crazy thought though, very unlikely

[stone tiger]

Okay lad Stop don't get ragebaited

[regal notch]

too late, I am become the bait rage

[stone tiger]

Let modman handle him

[supple thorn]

Whats with everyone in this community and constructive criticism lol even the admins

[leaden cobalt]

I have become shark bait

[regal notch]

6 7 baryonyx

[regal notch]

what part of it was constructive LOL

[stone tiger]

Ignore him please

[regal notch]

I have nothing else to do with my time tho :(

what do you think I'ma do, play The Isle?

[stone tiger]

You could talk to me kid I am friendly

[craggy ridge]

Find employment

[leaden cobalt]

The Isle

[regal notch]

okay daddy

[sick kraken]

hello zardi

[craggy ridge]

Howdy!!

[regal notch]

let's not be hasty now

[dreamy tangle]

who?

[stone tiger]

Cut it out

[sick kraken]

hows the day going

[regal notch]

yes daddy

[stone tiger]

Elder female Rex

[dreamy tangle]

oh wow

[craggy ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/job-application-jumpscare-atal-gif-10963426795696529755

[regal notch]

plz no- FFFFFFFFFFFF

[stone tiger]

Modman! Weird stranger

[outer spade]

whats glass bones??

[charred root]

Makes you take extra fracture damage for the rest of your life

[stone tiger]

Permanent debuff you get fractured and break you bones easier.

[craggy ridge]

3 hours left in the 12 hour shift. Been busy but not crazy so can't complain! Hbu?

[regal notch]

it means you're in a wheelchair without the wheelchair

[sick kraken]

dang 12 hours is evil. im good tho. designing my damned oc today

[outer spade]

WHATTT , U get it from just one fracture or what? (for context i got pinned by a rex)

[lost citrus]

don't get pinned

[misty pivot]

carrier

[charred root]

Its unintended to get it from just 1 time being fractured the devs had said but currently its super easy to get so its just kind of a "deal with it for now" sort of thing

[regal notch]

I just learned uw and ow are both on the prohibited list here LOL

[lost citrus]

yes, an old member used to overuse them

[regal notch]

oof

[craggy ridge]

I dont mind it tbh. Im an Industrial Electrician for production machine maintenance so its a lot more interesting than it sounds.

Hows the oc going?

[regal notch]

much like the rest of the game ngl

[outer spade]

ah ok ty

[sick kraken]

well making the personality and face and stuff was fun, designing outfits is new to me so thats been hard

[craggy ridge]

Make it frog themed.

[craggy ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/greninja-pokemon-super-smash-bros-gif-23685337

[dreamy crag]

🥹 just checked their steam charts and im so disappointed

[past dune]

I kinda wish the devs were more comfortable releasing Unfinished or Unpolished stuff. It's an early access game yet they don't treat it that way. I don't think creatures need to be 100% animation complete, with multiple skins implemented, a fleshed out ability, and solid balance. Mechanics, map changes, and everything inbetween, they have the freedom of being an early access game and yet they don't use it.

[somber urchin]

knowing this community?

[glad oxide]

<@&505047238674874368> i got stuck and tried using the command to get unstuck and it didnt work what do i do?

[feral shadow]

i wish the community let them

[past dune]

It shouldn't matter.

[feral shadow]

trike and dibble ht...

[somber urchin]

[glad oxide]

erm

[unkempt grail]

interesting

[supple thorn]

wtf wrong with you

[somber urchin]

anyway.

[unkempt grail]

i have to give points for originality i guess, ive never seen that one before

[supple thorn]

Gooners man

[craggy ridge]

Can I get Logan Paul crypto with my visit?

[clever matrix]

Don't think of it as being "super frail", think of it as playing on hard mode, cause you're that hardcore.

[neon elk]

oh

[sick kraken]

IT IS

[past dune]

Didn't matter.
They could release the most broken patch ever just to get a minimum functional product ready and in testing, and it would have zero adverse effect on the game.

Even if the community threw a temper tantrum, it wouldn't matter. As long as it would be best suited for development... which it probably would, it would result in a better game in the long run.

They have the freedom of early testing and yet even the "early testing" via HT is like 80-90% complete. That level of finish isn't really necessary to test something.

[cinder cave]

Oi

[dreamy crag]

THIS

[somber urchin]

i'm sure they have their reasons.

[cinder cave]

That sounds like a good idea until you remember the camera incident

[somber urchin]

-# that's what i'm saying

[past dune]

It should not have taken them upwards of 7 years to get the gameplay loop hashed out. I don't see why they were so focused on individual updates and content drops with trailers rather than spending a third of that time implementing the rough outline of the core gameplay loop, getting it functional and fun, and then polishing it later.

[glad oxide]

help help i got stuck i used the command and it no work and now im extra stuck

[cinder cave]

Name and server?

[glad oxide]

TGirlEmilyTV
EU3

got stuck on a tree log in a water fall bc um im stupid

[past dune]

That didn't even really matter in the short term, let alone the long term... it had zero lasting effect, and also, the reason people were mad there wasn't because they were mad they were seeing unfinished or unpolished content, they were mad at the premise, or the core of the content.

[cinder cave]

Zero lasting effect being almost a year of no dev streams

[glad oxide]

been here for years

[past dune]

...
You say that like the existence or lack of existence of dev streams matters at all when it comes to the game itself.

[regal notch]

wym we still get dev streams. what you don't like chiv 2?

[past dune]

We, the community, do not matter, and should not matter, and should not be developed around.

[indigo mountain]

i do not like how the community treats this game, but i do think all unfinished things should go into hordetest and finished things go into the normal evrima. That might just be a me thing though. and people are overly harsh on new things, finished or not.

[neon elk]

and we do have unfinished UI to prove that it don't matter anyways 😔

[halcyon locust]

https://tenor.com/view/grandyidea-ishowspeed-speed-ishowspeed-unimpressed-speed-looking-annoyed-gif-16165832784110022250

[glad oxide]

😭 cooldown ended tried again still no work 😭

[cinder cave]

It doesn't, but it very well does reflect the attitude between the community and the devs, if I despise the community that I'm working for, then what's the point of continuing to work on it

[neon elk]

i've always wished for Evrima to be treated as it is
a beta branch

[regal notch]

vibes

[indigo mountain]

can i ask what hordetest is then o-o

[neon elk]

something that shouldn't've existed

[regal notch]

for the vision

[past dune]

The point is for a better, more efficient end product.

[glad oxide]

LEGENDARY TRIKE JUST ON TIME

[neon elk]

and been another iteration of something that has always been a (varying, of course) bit problematic in the community
MT... ST... HT...

[indigo mountain]

fair. If evrima is a beta testing branch, then it should be used for beta testing.

[stone tiger]

Every time

[neon elk]

(before that, open beta)

[stone tiger]

Hello Isaac

[cinder cave]

My faith in the community to not dox and send death threats to devs because their expectations were higher than what was received is very, very low

[neon elk]

quite so
i do wish it was treated as such

nonetheless

[indigo mountain]

anybody who does that should be subject to a witch trial

[neon elk]

hi!!

[cinder cave]

Allo stinky

[rotund iron]

i got pinned and crashed lol

[misty pivot]

hi

[rotund iron]

so idk if my rex is dead or not 🙆

[indigo mountain]

rip

[indigo mountain]

ih

[regal notch]

The Isle™

[neon elk]

as a very famous person once said

There are three things I’ve learned never to discuss with people: religion, politics, and the Great Pumpkin

Which just comes back to saying
saying anything / (or in this case) putting anything [in-game] will always result in contrasting opinions
Here and there, positive and negative

[rotund iron]

sucks ig

[misty pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/979068332886077490/1473542251912364033/togif.gif

[neon elk]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-rabbit-angry-attack-gif-8318612315233716848

[rotund iron]

ooops nvm my rex is still there lol wth i crashed but im low on health

[regal notch]

why is there an elephant in the room

[craggy ridge]

Do you wanna DM it and I can throw potential inspiration at you?

[neon elk]

um...

[misty pivot]

some things are better left unaddressed

[regal notch]

[craggy ridge]

Rex Killer

[rotund iron]

the crashed actually saved my rex

[neon elk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/979068332886077490/1473542279258963968/caption.gif

[rotund iron]

for the first time a crash actually saved me

[neon elk]

why

[sick kraken]

nah its cringe anime splish lol

[misty pivot]

igneous intrusive rock I think

[regal notch]

you should all be scared when this is happening for more than 2 minutes

lord knows I am

[rotund iron]

fax lol

[neon elk]

is this so

once i did that with Don and all he did was send a gif

[regal notch]

the last time this happened, minmi got delayed further, ya know prolly.

[neon elk]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-rabbit-angry-attack-gif-8318612315233716848

[past dune]

That's just how the internet is.
To bend the knee, and develop the game in a worse way out of fear of it, to appease it, is misguided.

Having a t posing omniraptor running around with a rough implementation of each aspect of the core gameplay, survival, growth, elders, diets, mutations, migrations, etc. all set up years in advance, even in an extremely bare bones state, for the sake of testing and refining the experience of the finished game as soon as possible... is just how development would normally be handled. Even if the community was in a perpetual state of loathing, seething, and hatred for the years in which that was happening... it wouldn't matter. The end product, the full game, at the end of the day is the point of early access, its the point of having a beta, it's how early development of game's works.

Treating core mechanics to be dropped alongside a trailer, playables, and acting like its a content drop, if anything does more damage in the long run. Elders, mutations, and HUMANS in general, as they are core components of the game's experience, should have been added as soon as physically possible. The polish should have come later.

[regal notch]

\AH GOD WALL OF TEXT JUMPSCARE

[neon elk]

yay

[craggy ridge]

Ain't nothing to cringe at, and I aint one to judge

[neon elk]

i am glad the community are not lored

they would not like the reality of waiting

[craggy ridge]

The Isle lore

[cinder cave]

"That's just how the internet is" should not come ahead of people's safety

[neon elk]

https://tenor.com/view/night-feeder-gif-18367494299807995424

[regal notch]

This is real though. We do get trailers like "GUYS... BEHOLD.... YOU CAN EAT AS A DINOSAUR!" and it's slapped on like a feature

[past dune]

Treating an update as something to be hyped about, something to make a trailer for, and something to be polished around, is a luxury afforded to a game that already has it's foundations done.

To expect otherwise is having your dessert before you've eaten your dinner.

[craggy ridge]

Night feeder fighting what?

[past dune]

People are not going to die because of normal development habits

[regal notch]

I'm ngl, I'd take a bullet IRL if it meant we saw bary next week

[midnight kernel]

I mean... it could just be the devs have more experienced animators able to complete their end of that work and refine it more while the programmers need more time because its a multiplayer and that stuff breaks much more easilly than models and animations?

[craggy ridge]

No you wouldn't

[regal notch]

Tbh, I'd love to see the "finished game" some time before this decade's end even if it's sitll a mess so it can at least be polished after

[neon elk]

the isle 1.0...

[regal notch]

I absolutely would for you <3

[midnight kernel]

The devs also want to get it completed as much as they can before they push content. Is it wise in an in dev game? Meh. Its the work flow they are comfortable with. Im not going to judge much

[cinder cave]

Regardless of their reasoning, they do things how they do things, regardless of how people would prefer it

[neon elk]

meanwhile ui overhaul

[craggy ridge]

You really shouldn't

[half jacinth]

Yeah but omni tpose still needs to be addressed because now the we have allo tpose which is built on top od the raptor pounce, I am ok with waiting, I love this game I don’t care about waiting a year or 2 for spinosaurus really but at the same time every major feature should be polished enough.
I think allo’s state is really not good rn, claw is strong, bleed is very strong but the pounce is so glitched I literally avoid playing because I hate how glitchy is the interaction regarding allos and any other bigger animal

[regal notch]

you'd be afraid of how little I have to lose these days. I could handle it :^) now gimme bary and load that shotty

[midnight kernel]

Exactly. Workflow changed a bit. Def still needs work

[charred root]

I feel like "just add placeholder things early for testing" is how legacy was made and we see how that went. A buggy unfixable mess

[neon elk]

😐

[regal notch]

in all seriousness, my god another 10 years will pass and the game will still be in development

[craggy ridge]

We only get Bary next week if you get shot in your dominant hand

[regal notch]

deal

[neon elk]

we were told UI was nearly complete in a dblog, before it was released

[past dune]

I flat out refuse to believe this development team took 7 years to develop roughly 10 core mechanics because they were just that slow...

To insinuate that honestly feels like an insult to their capabilities.

[regal notch]

I was supposed to be a lefty anyways

[midnight kernel]

At the end of the day thats what happened tbh. If they take it as an insult thats on them.

It took me 2 years to finish one illustration once.

[regal notch]

that shouldn't be the baseline ngl

[midnight kernel]

Diff things obv but

Oh no it isnt. Im not crediting them or critiquing them tone wise rn

[neon elk]

but was this an indie thing (by yourself/for yourself) or something under-deadline for a sizeable team within a production

[past dune]

No, legacy is an awful example.
Because they, as I said, didn't finish their dinner before trying to have dessert. They didn't implement their core mechanics at the start, they didnt establish their gameplay as soon as possible. They spent their effort animating, polishing, and releasing animals instead of finishing their game.

Legacy is absolutely not an example of "just add placeholder things early for testing" because there was never even a placeholder to speak of.

[midnight kernel]

Personal project. And as far as im aware, this game is a passion project

[sick kraken]

ya maybe then! i dont have much done tho, just the head

[regal notch]

just saying we're coming to accept a lot (or rather, a little) very often

[craggy ridge]

I mean, in full honesty, the roster is really fleshed out as is, we have the big names (Rex and Trike) in which is also a huge milestone. Theres still some holes to fill in for the roster alongside some balancing, and the core mechanics definitely need some ironing out. But honestly, genuinely, The Isle has made really insane progress over the course of the passed 5 years

[jolly scroll]

Algún español para jugar agréguenme

[regal notch]

I don't hear or see passion, I see hate lol

[midnight kernel]

More spite than anything half the time, but yes

[regal notch]

if anything, legacy is more along the lines of a kickstarter demo lol

[neon elk]

might just be
but its under a serious production with actual money that goes to spend for everyones contract

as much as it is passion
it still would have deadlines and proper production approaches to get things done
at least, tries to

[flint nexus]

Hey, if there is going to be multiple places for you to randomly fall into and be stuck and be in there for around an hour.
Can we at least have some kind of respawn or kill command
Because this is ridiculous, I've had multiple dinosaurs get stuck in random places they can't get out of and then I have to sit there feeling like an idiot for nearly an hour.
If it's too hard to learn better map design then atleast give the option to kill the dino prematurely so I don't have to wait there to be able to play the game.

[past dune]

They are a pretty large team paid to work 5 days a week on developing their game... this isn't just a few indie devs working on something in their off time.

[midnight kernel]

Yes. Tries. It fails a lot. Ive been here since 2017 ive learned if i get bored i just play something else and wait.

[regal notch]

anyways guys, our devblog, here's some gifs we've shown you before but more polished, fixes for bugs but also more bugs we found that still need to be fixed, and some models in blender you won't see in game for another couple years. Keep playing plz.

:D

[zinc depot]

Do you get diet from eating something if you have a full stomach as deino?

[regal notch]

nope

[past dune]

No.

[halcyon locust]

mm my favorite

[indigo cave]

Peak

[regal notch]

https://giphy.com/gifs/zelda-tloz-ganondorf-4aEYSr5vpISAUBLXU3

vibes

[indigo mountain]

i do love reading hacker's opinions on things

[neon elk]

why

[indigo mountain]

they're very well written arguments, a nice change from GAME BAD >:C

[regal notch]

Same, not many people stand up anymore, they accept what they're fed.

and most critiques are like Skunk said, objective "bad" titles rather than critical thought or discussion

[neon elk]

is this so

[regal notch]

hacker's had amazing ideas for a good while now... just a shame none of them get listened to lol

[frigid lily]

Nothing ever happens

[regal notch]

coughmigrationzonecough

[cinder cave]

Hacker has very well thought out ideas, I don't agree with plenty of them, but it is refreshing to see someone think things out before talking

[regal notch]

where trains

[sick kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/eyebrow-dog-gif-15528260520198470427

[cinder cave]

https://klipy.com/gifs/bullet-train-maglev

[midnight kernel]

Like, perhaps its just the fact ive learned to expect a certain standard when its shown to me repeatedly, so my expectations and thus interactions adjust accordingly. Hence I do understand the frustrations and desires of the people in here. But I also have a certain level of "this is how its been" ingrained in me from playing for so long.

[halcyon locust]

nobody can read in this server so people just ignore his essays

[regal notch]

prime hunter right there

[neon elk]

Shame he doesn't have a portfolio yet

[indigo mountain]

THIS

[regal notch]

shame he's not allowed to test with the devs at this rate tbh

[indigo mountain]

he also knows what hes talking about which is very nice

[regal notch]

man's dedicated so many essays and charts to how this game could bare minimum function that he really should have a spot to try things out before hitting hordetesting

[indigo mountain]

charts?

[midnight kernel]

Usually if i have an idea or improvement ill just stick it in suggestions and leave it there. Sometimes theyre well received. Sometimes not. Im def no Hacker for text quantity lol

[cinder cave]

He needs to get on making his own game because he seems to get frustrated when the isle devs go in a direction he doesn't approve of

[regal notch]

I'm fairly positive he has a few still

[midnight kernel]

Which reminds me wasnt he working on a project of his own some time ago?

[cinder cave]

And he has like a 300 someodd page doc of game plans

[regal notch]

and then echoes of extinction was born :'D

[cinder cave]

Yeah, he's got a discord for it in his bio

[regal notch]

we're unfortunately armchair devs though, we know what'd work in theory, but implementation and power to do so.... well, we give up once that's thrown our way lol

[inland furnace]

hacker's the isle 2

[cinder cave]

Preserve

[inland furnace]

i call it the isle 2 because it is

[sick kraken]

only 300 words?

[cinder cave]

Page, my bad

[halcyon locust]

well, devs said that the votes in suggestions don't matter, so even if its unpopular, they might still consider it
~~ that's if they actually use the suggestions though~~

[sick kraken]

ah ok lol

[indigo mountain]

probably not that they don't matter, but that just because something's popular, doesn't mean that they'll add it. And it'll be considered regardless of how much attention it receives.

[midnight kernel]

Yeah. Just gotta sit and wait and hope

[indigo mountain]

wa WHERE

[past dune]

They shouldn't listen to me, because the game I am suggesting they develop is not the type of game they want to make. If anything it is directly antithetical to it.

[halcyon locust]

you just reworded what i said lol

[regal notch]

that's still valuable information. Much like how becoming a parent means not doing what your parents did(your in a general sense here)

[leaden cobalt]

In the end we love this game through all the flaws and strengths 🤗

[past dune]

Lets not get ahead of ourselves.

[regal notch]

if anything, I could see the average day being "does hacker hate this idea?" "yes, he despises it", "oh good, perfect, let's add that next patch!"

[leaden cobalt]

I never get ahead of myself never

[regal notch]

at least then the game will see some actual progress this decade

[halcyon locust]

until there's an actual dino game that succeeds the isle, ill still gladly take it over the current "competitors" it has...

[indigo mountain]

this kind of reflection is why we love reading your massive blocks of text

[regal notch]

it needs more competitors tbh

both to give it space to work itself out so players craving this kinda game have something to go to and to inspire it to actually... idk, compete

[vapid pumice]

i think i would genuinely play POT if i had a computer that could run it/if it was on Geforce NOW or something similar. the only cloud gaming service its on AFAIK is shadow and that thing is like 35$ a month

[regal notch]

cept Path of Titans is an RPG

[vapid pumice]

i see the vision w/ POT and it looks like something i would enjoy

id still play the isle, id just play POT as well

[cinder cave]

PoT and the isle have very different vibes and gameplay goals, ye

[regal notch]

^

one simulates survival and realistic mechanics, one simulates questing and statistical mechanics

[halcyon locust]

path of titans isnt a survival game so id hardly call it an isle successor, which is why i put 'competitors' in quotations

[vapid pumice]

yah but it is still a competitor even if the genre isnt exactly the same due to how few dinosaur games there are as a whole

the gameplay when reduced down to its most basic elements are pretty similar which will inherently lead to playerbase community crossover and competition between the two

[faint falcon]

POT is much more relaxing and chill imo. You can make mistakes and just have casual fun for the most part. The isle is far more intense and difficult

[wide dock]

I play both POT nad the Isle both pretty fun

[regal notch]

ehhh, I don't think so, PoT feels very, gamey

[vapid pumice]

so id still have it in the convo when discussing Isle competitiors, just as i would have BOB in the discussion (if it were relevant)

[vapid pumice]

each one just sort of hyperspecializes in a specific sub genre within the dinosaur survival genre as a whole

[regal notch]

it's broader than something like world of tanks vs war thunder for example which both are very clear competitors and play functionally the same with very slight differences in design choices. PoT does a LOT differently, enough that the game itself can't be compared to a survival game period.

the most we can compare is "you play as dino" which... isn't a lot to compete if that's our baseline imo

[past dune]

https://tenor.com/view/hardpretzel-spongebob-patrick-roller-coaster-screaming-on-roller-coaster-gif-15822836723246643102

[vapid pumice]

the isle goes for the gritty horror survival experience
POT goes for an MMO style of game, focused more around PVP and player friendly mechanics while also being less punishing
BOB is The Isle but on drugs.

[halcyon locust]

with that argument you could say dinoblade is an isle competitor lol

[vapid pumice]

#isle-discussion message

[regal notch]

We love our modern game design choices here. Press Q to scent, did you know food shows up when you use scent? Food replenishes hunger!

[indigo cave]

They aren't wrong. If you state something is more chill doesn't immediately mean they cannot take the isle

[halcyon locust]

you just said the same thing

[past dune]

The Isle is a lot closer in approach and design ideology to PoT than most players are comfortable realizing.

[vapid pumice]

i would not count dinoblade as part of the dinosaur survival genre no

[faint falcon]

Honestly the big thing that keeps path alive is the mods and community though.

[regal notch]

the difference is how that information gets conveyed :')

[lost citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-game-super-nintendo-snes-top-down-gif-24481827

[halcyon locust]

pot isnt dinosaur survival

[past dune]

The Isle strays further and further away from that every day. The focus really isn't on survival.

[craggy ridge]

Well yeah, its a plant

[midnight kernel]

As someone who has isle, pot, and bob, pot is focused around quests and collecting items to decorate your cave, has little effect on death, and lots of permanent effects like skins.

In the isle nothing is permanent.

[past dune]

Indeed.
They are more of a template for a game, than an actual complete game.

[indigo cave]

Which is a shame... The more we steer into solely pvp the less I enjoy it

[regal notch]

and as a result, the world has the potential to feel more alive

[midnight kernel]

I am severely disappointed that the realism server scene has died tho.

[lost citrus]

I still have the NES version of that game

Edit: damnit ghost

[halcyon locust]

true, its meant to be a survival game, but its very much a dino brawler rn no matter how much the devs say otherwise

[midnight kernel]

I dont see it much except on pot now. It used to be amazing in legacy days

[inland furnace]

i do not like the isle

[faint falcon]

^ for any in the genre at the moment

[regal notch]

The Isle™

[tardy breach]

I don’t play pot but from the looks of it it seems really similar

[faint falcon]

But that really is a we are humans playing this game and not dinosaurs. We humans love our war and combat

[indigo cave]

PoT has anky so it's automatically the superior game

[lost citrus]

war never changes

[pliant birch]

but it doesnt have anky

[faint falcon]

Slight differences overall, but similar for sure. Both give the same thing just a little different

[sterile shuttle]

Chat I got crushed ONCE and get glass bones istg. I hate rex so much.

[somber urchin]

quetz goin on an escalator

[pliant birch]

I like flies

[somber urchin]

i don't know! i am confused also!

[coarse nimbus]

Bzzzzz

[regal notch]

Ya know.... funnily enough, I feel like Helldivers goes through a similar issue to what the isle experiences. If you play Helldivers on higher difficulties, people are typically kept busier, challenged more, paying attention. However when you go a lil lower, people are prone to make their own mistakes more often and on purpose between choosing to shoot each other or not focus because the content provided isn't forcing them to have to care.

With the isle, similarly... there's not a lot to do and this has always been the case even in spiro days where you at most manage your hunger(by killing something and eating typically), water, and... that's kinda it. Nesting and etc ideas are bonuses, but you generally don't have anything keeping you attention or challenging you enough to warrant not doing something at all times.... including killing each other or finally finding action and being so bored this whole time that you're willing to take the opportunity because "finally, something to do".

[indigo cave]

The game really needs a lot more mechanics related to survival and non violent engagements because there is nothing in the horizon that indicates we aren't going to keep going down the flipping battle royale pipeline

[somber urchin]

whoa

[tardy breach]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/979068332886077490/1469788044587438120/zzbfzNoe.gif

[brittle sequoia]

whats up you kra-z sons of mitches

[somber urchin]

this is crazy tho

[indigo cave]

Like combat should be an important part of the game but it being 95% of the game sucks ass

[regal notch]

That's why PoT succeeds a bit, yes it's tedious/monotony but you're at least given things to focus on, to do, even if it's just collecting things, killing X thing, discover Y thing, etc. The isle doesn't convey this information and just throws you into the sandbox expecting you to act the part without natural guidance or anything to convey this information in a way to get you to really... care

[indigo cave]

Agreed. Elder system is a perfect opportunity to give people long term permanent upgrades to strive for

[regal notch]

We have plenty of long term stuff, just none of it is told or expressed in a way to actually keep you busy or for any reason

[past dune]

At a certain point it's not even meant to be a survival game. Their focus is increasingly on being a sandbox, the freedom for a player to do pretty much anything is pretty firmly against constraining player behavior through survival motivations. You are explicitly incentivized to leave your migration zone, hit a variety of areas, visit patrols, visit a sanctuary... you are not controlled or influenced to stay in these areas, and there isn't anything to force player interaction other than the desire to fight. When you hunt it has nothing to do with necessity, it's all about desire, what you, the player, want to do. In the future this will only be encouraged more... there won't be any constraints to create an ecosystem experience because constraints are against the freedom of a sandbox, players already don't matter, but they practically won't matter when they start relying on AI dino populations. In fact, Dondi has repeatedly said he would rather have lower population servers, and rely on AI to populate the world. Again, it all comes back to that freedom, but that freedom, in this context, means a significant reduction in focus on survival.

This approach isn't bad, not at all...
A lot of people want a game like that, whether you want that, is entirely up to you. But at the end of the day, nothing can be said or done to change that path.

The reason I say the devs shouldn't listen to me, is because they are going in that direction, and all of my suggestions are entirely rooted in survival.

[coarse nimbus]

It’s a bit more complicated for the isle but yes, there’s not too many player interactions outside of nesting, eating, drinking, calling, or fighting as of right now. I do hope and think this will change in the future tho

[regal notch]

exactly this

[coarse nimbus]

It’s tenor actually

[misty pivot]

soprano

[past dune]

PoT has a fairly similar approach.
It's a blank slate, its a sandbox, the emphasis is placed on unofficials, the modding, the customization, it is survival in name only, because doing otherwise would be antithetical to their real goal.

PoT and Isle are far more similar than not.

[wide dock]

Barry tomrw trust

[coarse nimbus]

Discord uses tenor and i think that website went down last i heard

[coarse nimbus]

It’s giphy and some other gif site they’re slowly switching over too

[regal notch]

https://giphy.com/gifs/silly-mehehe-muehehe-3I8H8VvG9D7FRqd92Q

[sick kraken]

shantungosaurus size?

[misty pivot]

why don't they put ads into discord gifs

[brittle sequoia]

33 tons adult 39 prime fo sho

[thorn oriole]

i cant wait for bary..

[sick kraken]

yeah maybe

[coarse nimbus]

Ah yes giving the corporation more bad ideas after persona

[past dune]

btw Ghost
That lord of the rings gif you posted before crashed my mobile discord three times, I couldn't even open the chat until you deleted it.

[lyric hollow]

We don't know but probs 15-16 regular and 18-19 prime

[outer spade]

anyone else js crash

[indigo cave]

Nono, I'm talking about things like entombing 10 times with s mutation and you get like 1% forever

[brittle sequoia]

talk about a lowball

[coarse nimbus]

Banished

Ghost give me the gif

[halcyon locust]

so did they just change the path theyre taking then? :/ i thought they intended for the game to be more punishing and realistic so that people would actually have to behave like animals

[indigo cave]

Wdym? It's not gonna be much bigger

[brittle sequoia]

tell me ur a dino noob without telling me ur a dino noob

[regal notch]

I mean entombing is great, but that's not something active you'll focus on, that's just a goal post you reach for surviving. What you do up to that point is where we're missing a LOT, because all we have is keep hunger bar up, keep water up as a minimum. Seeing another player becomes the most engaging thing because you do nothing up until that point for the most part given the sandboxy nature like Hacker's post mentions. We will never see an ecosystem that survives naturally because players do what they want because they can and have no reason not to with nothing to do.

[halcyon locust]

i just thought they were failing at that lol

[indigo cave]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/979068332886077490/1469788044587438120/zzbfzNoe.gif

[brittle sequoia]

para 9.5 tons adult. fite me.

[past dune]

This seems to have been the goal from ths start.

[indigo cave]

You are clinically insane

[glass seal]

3 entomb albino cera here, sorry for the allo pack i was hungry :/

[misty pivot]

I am clinically insane and I think parasauro oh hi benny n

[lyric hollow]

I don't think we need to tell you anything

Please, continue making a fool of yourself, I find it amusing

[indigo cave]

Why are you using a genocidal maniac as your meme?

[inland furnace]

im going to drink an entire container of spicy shrimp dip

[misty pivot]

the isle shrimp update

[brittle sequoia]

LOL dino noob. another one spotted. spino 9 tons. and thats fi true.

[lyric hollow]

Spino will be probs 10-11, prime 13-14

[past dune]

I was under the same impression for years. Which is why I became so ingrained in the feedback side of things. Constantly thinking of solutions without realizing the solutions went against the developers intent for the game as a whole.

Once you realize that player dependancy and survival was never the focus, things make a whole lot more sense. It all fits very neatly into place... more or less.

Realizing that is when I stopped trying to suggest ways to fix the game.

[brittle sequoia]

either way spino gets done in by para fo sho

[indigo cave]

Dude... No way spino is heavier than trike what

[outer plank]

Bc dondi is stupid

[misty pivot]

I like dinosaurs

[past dune]

Not confirmed.

[lyric hollow]

The isle's model is absolutely massive
But it'll do less damage I presume

[outer plank]

Kitten confirmed it sadly

[past dune]

When.

[coarse nimbus]

Where??

[outer plank]

2 days ago in here

[lyric hollow]

Lol obviously
I literally said probs 🤣 it's my personal estimate

[regal notch]

Ya know one glimmer of hope I experienced was on an unofficial server that activated humans. I saw dinos choosing to not actively kill them outright. So long as they behaved themselves, they actually acted passive. This varied from player to player of course but it's the fact it wasn't outright murder for the sake of it that felt the most natural I'd ever seen the isle lol

[glass seal]

wth i have steam subsystem error

[indigo cave]

If it ends up being that heavy I'm going to be very sad :/

[misty pivot]

I think Spinosaurus should be 30 tonnes

[brittle sequoia]

@stone tiger wassup jit

[indigo cave]

I think spino should be 7.5-8 tons

[outer plank]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-about-it-cry-about-it-meme-gif-20184012

[pliant birch]

bro where

[shell quail]

84% prime beipi

[timber bane]

Frolo

[outer plank]

Scroll up ig

[lucid urchin]

If you can find that, then I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. But I've had a look and I don't see anything.

[past dune]

[pliant birch]

dude send the message.

[coarse nimbus]

Dont see anything

[indigo cave]

What's with the regebaiters today

[coarse nimbus]

I searched too

[outer plank]

I don’t got a pic I just saw it 2 days ago that ain’t my fault I was to tired to take a pic

[past dune]

Tapping the sign.

[halcyon locust]

man...

i always wondered how the game's ecosystem could ever function with low server slots and a huge roster where the majority of players prefers to play as apexes

i understand now lol

[timber bane]

Does anyone know how to get the 3d models of the dinos?

[brittle sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/love-you-i-love-you-so-much-gif-2715662522927499456

[coarse nimbus]

There was a comment about deino. Maybe you got a mix up there???

[lucid urchin]

Yeah I don't see anything. That's your warning on spreading misinfo. @outer plank

[indigo cave]

You can probably rip them (idk I'm not a programmer)

[outer plank]

Sigh

[timber bane]

I dont know how, im stupi

[coarse nimbus]

But that was also in the context of bary

[indigo cave]

Same

[timber bane]

Look at my pfp its just me

[brittle sequoia]

same my pfp is alos just me

[past dune]

https://tenor.com/view/smoking-cigarette-oh-well-whatever-happens-chilling-gif-17106641

[timber bane]

https://tenor.com/view/hug-hugging-gif-19605578

[lyric hollow]

My estimate was based on this. Looks slightly heavier than rex

[indigo cave]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-cat-funny-cat-memes-nuclear-power-plant-cat-meme-cursed-cat-gif-27500319

[indigo mountain]

yeahhh hacker telling me that the isle is made for ai supporting players changed my entire view of this game

[pliant birch]

thats also not to scale

[indigo mountain]

ultimate bulking food

[proud rivet]

whats the gender change mutation called again? like its full name

[brittle sequoia]

ngl i cant wait to run rexes down with shant LOL splish is gonna be a movie #29poundmenace

[indigo mountain]

sequential hemaphrodisim of somthn idk man

[brittle sequoia]

tons i mean. lol.

[indigo mountain]

partenhenoginesis

[proud rivet]

ctrl+F to the rescue lmao, Sequential Hermaphroditism

[oblique geyser]

could change the name to John cake

[blissful shoal]

Don’t worry, what is true is that kissen told me to believe that quetz can pick up a Rex.

(Totally wasn’t a sarcastic remark to my sarcastic remark)

[timber bane]

Why is there a gif of this?

[indigo mountain]

THAT YEP

[outer plank]

Rex is gonna be faster then shan’t and shant isn’t gonna weigh 29 tons

[blissful shoal]

Godzilla be like

[brittle sequoia]

me when im delusional and creepy

[past dune]

The Elder system requirements and rewatching an old Dondi interview where he said it explicitly kinda took me out of it for a while.

[brittle sequoia]

is SuperManny

[indigo mountain]

i always wondered about the elder system requirements and where they were going and then u dropped a nuke on my face and its yet to recover

[regal notch]

so in hypothetically/theory-wise, what exactly is the idea for the isle supposed to be? You roam around as a dino eating AI to be captured by humans or?

[halcyon locust]

maybe id have some faith if the ai wasn't subpar

[shell quail]

I avoided all zones and didn’t keep a good diet n still got prime :/

[void marlin]

Mid Hacker

[indigo mountain]

fish is a myth

[lost citrus]

humans will not capture dinosaurs

[proud rivet]

..now what slot does it go in lmao

[regal notch]

I mean they're gonna have something to do with each other, or why have em there lol

[timber bane]

Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you

[void marlin]

Fish?

[lost citrus]

Devs have said many times over the years that humans will not capture dinosaurs

[indigo mountain]

i think all. should be at the bottom of the list.
i have seen it on 1st and 3rd slot methinks but i am tired so dont trust me

[glass seal]

Sooooo, the game is down jsut for me or for everyone?

[regal notch]

ik but then what WILL happen?

[outer plank]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371174843292581890/977056572968681512/ezgif-2-b20d335d23_heheheha_grrr.gif

[indigo mountain]

NO FISH

[past dune]

I highly, highly doubt they will have you be captured by humans... I think theyve even spoken explicitly against that multiple times. But the idea has pretty much always been DayZ but with Dinosaurs. Humans going around doing DayZ stuff, Dinosaurs wandering around doing whatever they want, occasionally they bump into eachother and that's about it.

[lost citrus]

human gameplay is said to be similar to tarkov (a game I haven't played, so I can't say much more)

[brittle sequoia]

i was just eating some oranges lol]

[blissful shoal]

Yeah they do have something to do with each other.
Dinos want the tasty organs from humans
And humans have the humble boom stick in response.

[brittle sequoia]

so stupid and boring ?

[timber bane]

https://tenor.com/view/ape-monkey-you-give-orange-gif-21322472

[regal notch]

... so what we have now where we're doing kinda, nothing

[past dune]

Pretty much.

[halcyon locust]

Humans are meant to hunt dinosaurs, and be hunted by them. Nobody knows if they have any purpose beyond that

[lost citrus]

I knew there was a reason I ignored that guy lol

[vital onyx]

I think it would be cool if gen 2s could “capture” the standard AI like boars and deer, if only keep them from running away so they can be used as a food source

[regal notch]

💀 what's the point of either then

[past dune]

That could be neat.

[past dune]

Same reason you'd play DayZ.

[indigo cave]

<@&933486433342222376> can we ban this guy or at least this reaction image?

[regal notch]

idk enough about DayZ to be fair, so idk what happens there

[brittle sequoia]

dafuq?

[void marlin]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[indigo mountain]

troodon when sad

[lost citrus]

I ignored him as soon as he started posting ai slop

[misty pivot]

what you know about the floral formula

[void marlin]

yEs

[sick kraken]

loooooooooooL

[lucid urchin]

Stop bickering and get along.

[brittle sequoia]

what?

[lost citrus]

and it wasn't even good slop

[halcyon locust]

something something no politics allowed

[indigo cave]

I don't care about ai, I care about him posting a genocidal maniac in a positive light

[sick kraken]

good ai slop? UNHEARD OF AHHHH SCENARIO

[brittle sequoia]

well said.

[misty pivot]

there is exactly ONE ai gem that exists

[lost citrus]

well more like bad, and then worse

[regal notch]

Like, based off a quick google search, even if it's just a sandbox by the end of things for The Isle... there still has to be some logic behind existing as a dino or human to survive?... right?...

[past dune]

Spawn in, loot stuff for weapons and food, fend off against AI zombies... and then everything else is up to you. You aren't required to do anything other than eat food. Everything else, every player interaction, every zombie fight, etc. Is all just extra stuff you can do if you want to.

[indigo cave]

Ai SpongeBob is peak

[void marlin]

Sorry but ts is hillarious to me

[brittle sequoia]

@stone tiger bro u seein this ish

[lost citrus]

Attain strain status

[regal notch]

it sounds like VR chat with extra steps 💀

[indigo mountain]

plankton

[past dune]

Exist.

[brittle sequoia]

fr

[timber bane]

Is this real?🤔🤔🤔🤔💔💔

[sharp pond]

whats up with bros arm 😭

[void marlin]

P L A N K T O N

[pliant birch]

seems legit

[regal notch]

so... no natural elements to support existing and acting like the species you play as

[void marlin]

AI slop happened

[lost citrus]

lol
it's not even right, as whales eat zooplankton and are considered carnivores

[indigo mountain]

plankton arent animals pshhhhh dont be ridiciulous they're bugs

[void marlin]

Look at the sizes too. 30 meters long Rex what

[brittle sequoia]

sang like the eminiem song venom venom venom venommmmm

[blissful shoal]

Imo they could make a “capture” system where the humans have to land enough tranqs to “tranquilize” the Dino for transport to… wherever. Tartarus maybe? But from the Dino pov, they just die the moment they are tranqed. So long as tranqs take as much effort if not more than just shooting the dino it wouldn’t be that bad.

But there should 100% not be a capture system where the Dino is forced to do whatever some other player decides.

[misty pivot]

if it comes from the sea it isn't meat? obviously

[regal notch]

If this is true, why is Dondi so against people tucking away into a bush and growing when the game's a sandbox encouraging you to do whatever you want anyways?

[timber bane]

Bugs are plants

[sick kraken]

yall think theri gonna be a jungle beast?

[lost citrus]

like the people who tried telling me that insects aren't animals

[void marlin]

No, I'm a plant

[indigo mountain]

plants are ian actually nerd

[brittle sequoia]

9 tons monster inbound.

[void marlin]

Omg

[indigo cave]

No, jungles are dead zones

[indigo mountain]

we're amazing

[timber bane]

In not nerd😔😔😔

[void marlin]

But I am 🤓

[misty pivot]

the owlenstien

[timber bane]

Oh sorry ian the plant

[blissful shoal]

Basically just inhibits player interaction and makes everyone have less fun.

[void marlin]

The lizard guy?

[misty pivot]

lozprp guy

[past dune]

Because they don't like that behavior...
I'm not sure what you want me to say.

That issue is going to be present no matter what within the current direction of the game, to implement a firm solution would be too damaging to the sandbox.

So it is what it is.

[vital onyx]

that’s similar to my idea, with the captured playables being dead vessels where their actual players had gone back to the respawn screen

[regal notch]

Personally loved the idea of the domes being used to feed and provide water for captured dinos in exchange humans can research said captured dinos, and your willingness to work with them or not allows you to try and escape or stay fed well but as a prisoner

[timber bane]

That one dude saying fish arent animals

[vital onyx]

goanna guy

[regal notch]

idk, just makes 0 sense LOL

[void marlin]

The croc guy I see

[brittle sequoia]

theyre like more creatures than animals. barely even animals

[misty pivot]

I will send you varanid pics

[sick kraken]

lol humans are just gonna be so fun. t rex? meet my little friend! winds up my krazy minigun and mows it down like the grass

[indigo mountain]

my fave is the ppl who say humans arent animals

[leaden cobalt]

Are fish animals

[brittle sequoia]

LOL like heavy straight outta tf2 LOL....... LET THAT CHOPPPAAAH SING

[void marlin]

Chat, watch a movie called "23 hours of silence", it's peak

[indigo mountain]

fish dont exist

[brittle sequoia]

u should watch tusk bro\

[sick kraken]

me? ill be in a human raptor mixpack just like the movies. DINO DESTRUCTION HERE I COME

[past dune]

Their inability to solve the problem is rooted in their approach to making the game. That's just kinda how it is... I mean, they are allowed to strongly dislike a pattern of player behavior in spite of them being the ones to cause it.

Those two things are not contradictory.

[leaden cobalt]

[blissful shoal]

The main issue with that is you either make it entirely on the Dino’s terms, or you have effectively built a prison for trolls to use. And if you make it on the Dino’s terms, there’s no point in a capture system, just leave the doors to the domes open.

[timber bane]

Im begging frolo to show me how to get the models bro😭😭😭

[regal notch]

maybe I'm giving too much credit but you'd think they would recognize this pattern.... and attempt to solve it right? Or is this just the "we accept this is going to keep happening and nothing will be done"

[brittle sequoia]

LOL ill be a crazy jit in the bushes sniping dinos left and right in my ghilli suit #fraggingout

[sick kraken]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[void marlin]

Dinosaurs aren't animals they are mindless killing monsters that have a insatiable desire for blood

[sick kraken]

and those? i mow them down with my krazy mingun!

[misty pivot]

now replace "dinosaurs" with British people. Not so funny now is it

[brittle sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/deadlock-valve-hop-on-hop-on-deadlock-gif-9453462362682548373

[timber bane]

Except the herbivores, they are like walking food

[regal notch]

Or humans have to reinforce the doors and dinos can technically break it open if they want to, depending on the interest of the dino and the interest of the human's gains for capturing em

[brittle sequoia]

any1 wanna play?

[void marlin]

And hadrosaurids are just big cows

[timber bane]

Way more funny

[sick kraken]

shant is likely 29 tons and faster than rex, lol cant wait to just destroy those buggers

[indigo cave]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-cat-hitting-cat-cat-punching-cat-cat-slapping-cat-orange-cat-hitting-cat-gif-6585435513579432745

[blissful shoal]

Now replace “aren’t” with “are”.
So funny now is it

[void marlin]

Ow
Ow
Ow
Ow
Ow
Ow
Ow
Ow
Ow
Ow
Ow

[indigo cave]

Shant is 16 tons but yeah hopefully it's a bit of a speedster

[vital onyx]

https://imgur.com/gallery/blue-tree-monitor-v1caBpj

[indigo mountain]

hacker if you made ur own game what type of game would it be

[past dune]

Think of it as a cursed design problem.

Similar to how... the most optimal way to play Balatro is also the least fun way to play Balatro. The developer had done everything in their power to prevent players from using score calculators, and everything like that, but at the end of the day it cannot be solved because of how the game is made to solve that, would be to invalidate the vision for the game as a whole.

So it is an unsolvable problem, the best that could be done is nudge players one way or another.

They can recognize the pattern, and they can attempt some minor solutions, but to actually solve it would be to shift the direction of the game as a whole.

[brittle sequoia]

jit said 16 tons LOL. at least 25 for sure

[void marlin]

Cool snail

[blissful shoal]

So again, either the dinos can break out whenever they want (meaning the capture system is useless), or you have built a prison.

[lost citrus]

don't let hacker's malaise spread to you

[past dune]

I have like... 9 different things I'd like to make before I perish.

[indigo mountain]

i do hope to see them someday :>

[past dune]

Same here.

[void marlin]

I think the DEVs don't know where to go with the game. On one hand, they're following the dinosaur survival path, or on the other hand, they're focusing more on the lore with animals like the Strains and monsters like The Mother (or something like that).

The Isle is an innovative game with the theme of dinosaur survival, but I don't think that's the game's focus, and I think the developers miss out on a lot of potential by putting bizarre animals in the game.

[regal notch]

I mean the former could work with balancing in mind to what you've captured. Make time apart of the value

[halcyon locust]

where did you get 25 tons from

[brittle sequoia]

common sense? wdym LOL

[regal notch]

I just wanna understand wtf the game's supposed to be man 💀

[indigo mountain]

ghost why are you still marked as new you've been here longer than me i think

[indigo cave]

25 is heavier than cama my brother in Christ

[lost citrus]

probably had to make a new account

[void marlin]

Science fiction featuring dinosaurs and monsters

[brittle sequoia]

okay? still lighter than you LOL tubby sitting at pc

[halcyon locust]

common sense..?

hey guys is shant 25 tons? apparently this is common knowledge

[regal notch]

game, not theme lol

[past dune]

But ultimately the one thing that would be relevant to this discussion, is I'd really like to make a fully player dependant survival ecosystem at some point. Having every facet of the game be built around needing other players to live. Hunting others, defending yourself, relying on groups, with every mechanic and every balance choice being tied to player interaction as it's anchor.

[void marlin]

Car

[lost citrus]

I don't think this guy even talks about the isle

probably just a troll

[past dune]

[regal notch]

I would even support the sandbox element if it meant the dinosaur end was successfully built off natural nudging more lol

[indigo cave]

<@&933486433342222376> can we please stop this guy from being toxic? Thank you very much

[void marlin]

@past dune think about this

[vital onyx]

funny that

[indigo cave]

Funny what? All he does is bait and insult

[halcyon locust]

i can tell lol

[vital onyx]

Because I was just about to deal with him.

[past dune]

I personally would design the game to be more structured. Making the game with a sandbox as one of its pillars opens the door to too many issues for me to see it as worth it.

[void marlin]

Shant should be 200 tons
(Offensive tone)

[indigo cave]

https://tenor.com/view/gitapro3-gitagita-gitapro1-gitajah13-gif-3421945902795778238

[void marlin]

Don't do that, I love you hackor

[past dune]

Thats kinda weird dude.

[void marlin]

As a friend, idiot

[sick kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/humbled-cat-gif-bie-gif-17493722235118145820

[regal notch]

I see it like how faction games used to exist. You played for your side just for the sake of your side, no rhyme or reason otherwise. I be a dino because I wanna be a dino, and the game encourages you to get to play dino as a dino. Just let me be a bary in the swamp hunting whatever comes my way and if I see a human, I have the power to decide if they're food or just interesting to watch/entertain me with their silly flashlights and nets or whatever they have besides guns.

[void marlin]

Poor car

[leaden cobalt]

[regal notch]

but the game needs to have enough to nudge me in a direction to fulfill that fantasy, not just say I'm gonna be there, do those things, and not have any reason to.

atm it's a free for all sandbox with supposed direction that doesn't actually do anything when you follow it.

[void marlin]

I fear hacker typing

[sick kraken]

quetz like 4 tons? its bloody huge

[past dune]

I view that leniency as a gap in the design to be filled. A bary sitting in a swamp minding it's own business fishing for stuff is a player that is not actively engaging with others, which is what the game would be built around. To leave room for a sandbox is to have a bit too much leniency in my mind.

It's not an approach that many are fond of, and I think that's entirely fair, but it's the sort of approach I often take when conceptualizing games.

[void marlin]

Hello Marevick

[regal notch]

Like, ironically as many issues as I have with deino's design atm.. it's one of the few creatures in this game that exists in where it's supposed to live in naturally by design of its limitations and enviornment

[leaden cobalt]

Hi Ian

[indigo cave]

Quetz is 350kg to 800 max

[void marlin]

No it's more like 500kg
I'm not joking.

[regal notch]

I mean migration zones would spice that up so you wouldn't be hunting fish at least :')

[sick kraken]

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[void marlin]

Quetz > Rex

[sick kraken]

lol ai overview. nice

[feral shadow]

boo

[void marlin]

AAAAAAAAAAHHHH

[past dune]

Player freedom must be restrained as much as possible to filter players into the ideal experience the game wants to make. Akin to how a Battle Royale won't just allow players to go off and create a peaceful village. Restriction through various means is how games create the best, or at least the intended experience, as often as physically possible.

[regal notch]

like, how do unofficials accomplish this but the base game can't add functions to promote this naturally? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wvl4PrZYlT0

[indigo cave]

70kg lower estimate is brutal lmao

[sick kraken]

is that guilty gear picture? nice. u should play with baked cod

[past dune]

I wouldn't even add a creature like Deino in the first place.

[regal notch]

that's besides the point LOL

[void marlin]

That's lighter than me btw

[misty pivot]

@void marlin

[past dune]

To add population limits and rules would be against the sandbox design of the game.

[void marlin]

@misty pivot

[leaden cobalt]

Hi maverick

[indigo cave]

Phat (I'm 64)

[regal notch]

and yet... it's working somewhere

[misty pivot]

hi I'm 54kg

[void marlin]

-# I am overweight, but not fat.
Smol

[sick kraken]

anyone know how to deal with zed in lane? keep poking me electrocute

[lost citrus]

thank you, I absolutely despised that guy

[sick kraken]

cmon lets all be nice

[misty pivot]

is your 1 tinier than usual

[void marlin]

Cucho, change your name to Smol Cucho (smol)

[regal notch]

I just hit ignore LOL

[void marlin]

I hate Oxalaia and Purusaurus fans. I love the animals, but I hate their fans

[feral shadow]

why

there are like 2 of them

[sick kraken]

lowkey feel like talking bad about people who cant defend themselves is bad faith and we shouldent

[void marlin]

...millions

[charred root]

Gonna be so real

I have never even heard someone say they like either of those animals and I don't even know what they are

[void marlin]

Because most are brazillians

[misty pivot]

kill all suchomimus

[charred root]

extinct 😔

[misty pivot]

WHAT

[halcyon locust]

purusaurus is like one of the more popular prehistoric crocodilians, it was huge

[vestal fjord]

There needs to be more dinos that compete in a higher weight bracket, how can Rex be 10T+ and the closest carnivore is 3T

[feral shadow]

most canadians favourite dinosaurs arent candia- wait...

this is like the one country i CANT say that about

we have t rex...

[void marlin]

But I'll summarize what I can for y'all:

For some reason, they compare Oxalaia to Spinosaurus, and they insert Purusaurus/Oxalaia wherever they can. If a Spinosaurus appears, someone will say "Oxalaia yay". And poor Purusaurus. If If they talk about Deinosuchus, people immediately say, "Ah, but Purusaurus was bigger and Brazilian, therefore it's better," like, no. And I've seen people trying to make Oxalaia (whose only few fossils caught FIRE) as strong as a Rex... Even though Oxalaia was smaller than a Spinosaurus.

[tulip glade]

@somber urchin @leaden cobalt @crude girder

[past dune]

Regardless of it working or not... and it's not really working all that well honestly. It is not something the devs would ever add to officials. Again, the goal is to create a sandbox, to have a system that will outright stop you from playing a species is very firmly against that guiding doctrine.

Effectiveness or not.

[crude girder]

https://clan.fastly.steamstatic.com/images//10915315/ccb04bf8aa27b761ea1d03925c6995988eb59874.gif

[feral shadow]

oh thats

[regal notch]

I think if they wanted to, they could create a natural means of keeping population in check

[lyric hollow]

Around 300kg but for the isle they'll probably boost it to 600-700

[crude girder]

Hi

[regal notch]

"if they wanted to" being the crucial part.

[halcyon locust]

same kind of people who would powerscale brown bear subspecies

[feral shadow]

interesting

[void marlin]

How to be canadian

[regal notch]

so we wait and see

[past dune]

Not without contradicting the point of the game.

[feral shadow]

i thought you hates rex

[leaden cobalt]

Hi

[regal notch]

there has to be a point to begin with, atm there is none

[void marlin]

I hate Rex as a PLAYABLE. Not as an animal

[misty pivot]

hi

[regal notch]

even if we claim just "existing" is a point, it's not.

[past dune]

...
The point is that there isn't truly a point other than living. The value comes from simply existing, that is enough.

[void marlin]

But I hate Venan the most

[regal notch]

I stole all your latte it's okay

[feral shadow]

we also have anky, i think

[misty pivot]

hating for the love of the game

[void marlin]

Yay Anky

[void marlin]

Don't ping DEVs

[halcyon locust]

i cant wait to play as THE bad animal

[regal notch]

I didn't tho, wut LOL

[misty pivot]

what's the E stand F r

[feral shadow]

what happened to to o in for

[misty pivot]

not sure

[feral shadow]

bro did NOT want to come to work

[past dune]

Just existing with a bit of flavor on top is a foundation many games have been built on. You mentioned VR chat, and that is a perfectly valid example.

Just existing, the game just being a sandbox, it being dayZ with dinosaurs is the point. The novelty of living in that world is enough for some people, that is enough to build a game on, and that is the type of game they are actively building.

If you want more structure or substance than that, you are looking in the wrong place.

[misty pivot]

I think I double clicked space while pressing o so it didn't register

[past dune]

Jesus Christ dude, don't ping the devs, its rule 1.

[regal notch]

wtf is happening I didn't ping any devs LOL

[past dune]

Seriously, don't.

[regal notch]

https://giphy.com/gifs/wat-Ysce790SgjJK0

[misty pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-talking-you're-going-to-get-us-killed-stranger-things-eleven-eleven-stranger-things-gif-3247369036883212318

[past dune]

I never said you did, I just said don't.

[halcyon locust]

theyre messing with you

[regal notch]

@cinder cave they're bullying me :(

[halcyon locust]

you gotta post an allo gif to get his attention, its his favorite dinosaur

[regal notch]

The game's built on that socialization though and adds mechanics to support it. The Isle specifically has mechanics locking your chat out form other species. Dayz similarly doesn't have that restriction either. Thegame HAS structures and substance, so there are mechanics in play that go against the grain of the "purely sandbox" you're presenting it is atm, so clearly we don't have the full picture if we do have some limitations in place for a reason lol

oh my god when I google 6 7 it actually fumbles the google search, I hate this meme LMAO

[void marlin]

Things I hate the most:
1- Venan
2- Rumple
3- Rex and Cera
4- 90% of the USA population
5- ALL British people

[regal notch]

I'm happy to be someone's number 1 <3

[indigo cave]

Yesterday it was 95% of the USA population

[feral shadow]

at one point i would have been number one

[misty pivot]

a couple of em improved since yesterday

[feral shadow]

what a redemption arc

[regal notch]

Anyways, who else wants to punt minmis for a career?

[feral shadow]

a few million actually

[indigo cave]

https://tenor.com/view/ankylosaurus-anodontosaurus-pot-smeechpatata-path-of-titans-gif-5506210490851067289

[regal notch]

let's goooooo

[wise valley]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-stegosaurus-the-isle-skill-issue-the-isle-gif-25286811

[misty pivot]

i KILL people. don't ever say anything like that to me again

[sharp oxide]

Besides Hypsi, are there other dino that can nest at 100% ?

[indigo cave]

Dayum rare xenon violence

[past dune]

Some limitations are in place, but they are only there to promote you to engage with the game further, they never are so overt or so forceful as to invalidate the sandbox. They have restrictions yes, but think about what those restrictions actually accomplish, and how restrictive they actually are.

The game supports combat, socializing, and interaction, and they want players to engage with those parts of the game but there is nothing to pressure or force you to do that. The point of the game is simply to exist as a creature, or exist as a human surrounded by those creatures, that is all.

It is existing, it is the sandbox, as the point.

[oblique geyser]

thanks

[halcyon locust]

troodon, and i think dryo and ptera

[void marlin]

You're welcome

[void marlin]

Why

[misty pivot]

I say "kill everyone" like every day

[past dune]

If the game didn't have the flavor of Dinosaurs, there wouldn't even be a game. The raw gameplay alone is not strong enough to stand without it. Because that is the point of the game.

[regal notch]

but thenn what's the purpose of limiting me from talking to another species? What does that restriction accomplish? That kinda invalidates the sandbox a lil

[indigo cave]

Do you? My apolochoose

[rotund iron]

Spinosaurus mirabilis fahhh

[feral shadow]

you know

[void marlin]

Why

[pliant birch]

nooo dude

[past dune]

Not really.
You are still able to do pretty much whatever, its just a barrier of communication. There is nothing to restrict your actual behavior, it's just one less avenue of interaction.

Interaction isn't the point, existing as the creature is the point. Nothing about only being able to talk to your own species invalidates or overly restricts that.

[void marlin]

Top things I fear the most:
1- Women
2- French people
3- Hacker typing
4- Hacker
5- Being useless

[regal notch]

you're losing me there Hacker...

@lost citrus I think you're right. I think HAcker's gone mad

it's likely a symptom of no maidens

[void marlin]

There's how to prevent it tho

[past dune]

I don't see how the restriction of chat suddenly means the point of the game isn't to exist as what you are playing as.

[sharp oxide]

Can Beipis nest at 100% ?

[lyric hollow]

Im a British person living in US playing cera with venan in rumple's house

[void marlin]

Blocked.
Plus, you'll stub your toe 4 times... In a row.

[halcyon locust]

i mean, its like the built-in group limits. its only a suggestion, nobody's stopping you from overpacking. (this doesnt apply to unofficials with pack limit rules)

[regal notch]

The existance of a restriction is being claimed as having no effect on the game that's supposedly being claimed as without restriction to support a sandbox. There's other restrictions besides this too but you've only told me how it "doesn't" affect existing, rather than providing me an example of what it does do or how it positively influences factors in the game.

[feral shadow]

im one of these things

[void marlin]

You're me being useless?????

[naive roost]

You aren't meant to coordinate with other species and you are supposed to group up with your own species.
Limiting chat to your own species in range accomplishes that.

[regal notch]

but then that's a restriction on the sandbox innit?

[lyric hollow]

I hope you marry a female French hacker with useless typing

[naive roost]

Yes, as it should be.

[void marlin]

AAAAAAAAAAHHHH

[indigo cave]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/979068332886077490/1469788044587438120/zzbfzNoe.gif

[feral shadow]

worse, a woman

[past dune]

It is a restriction but having a restriction doesnt make it not a sandbox.

[regal notch]

then that isn't really support toward being an open ended sandbox either

[regal notch]

no but it's definitely support towards it not AIMING to being one

[indigo cave]

I still wish you could AT LEAST communicate with your own family of dinosaurs

[naive roost]

How so? Limitations make a game a game, without it's just arbitrary.

[neon elk]

sandboxes need tools, not rules

[regal notch]

with an unfinished project, it's too quick to say "this game is meant to be sandbox and nothing more"

[indigo cave]

(hypsi nerf 😔 )

[void marlin]

AAAAAAAAAAHHHH

[regal notch]

VRchat says hi again

[vagrant narwhal]

would be cool if there is a family tree in the game

[past dune]

[indigo cave]

wait until you learn that half the playerbase is women

[naive roost]

What's that even supposed to mean?

[void marlin]

I love your vids
||I think the DEVs don't know where to go with the game. On one hand, they're following the dinosaur survival path, or on the other hand, they're focusing more on the lore with animals like the Strains and monsters like The Mother (or something like that).||

||The Isle is an innovative game with the theme of dinosaur survival, but I don't think that's the game's focus, and I think the developers miss out on a lot of potential by putting bizarre animals in the game.||

[regal notch]

all I'm saying is that you're jumping the gun a LIL early based off the decisions so far, and yes they've been bad decisions for a LONG time existing. I don't think it's as simple and blunt as you're presenting it so far, I have to disagree on this one for now lol

[indigo cave]

The percentage is probably something along the lines of 40% male, 40% female, 20% non binary

[neon elk]

how early is too early

[feral shadow]

do you have this paragraph on a google doc to be copy and pasted

[regal notch]

that's for the devs to answer :') cuz apparently we have no say so

[void marlin]

I'm a plane so I'm not on the playerbase?

[past dune]

We do not.

[feral shadow]

i find it hard to beliebe

[void marlin]

Worse.

[feral shadow]

non binary?

[void marlin]

No, plane

[torpid osprey]

Idk about that

[indigo cave]

thats non binary you goober

[feral shadow]

but it is not a part of the gender binary of male and female, therefore, non binary

[void marlin]

No, it's plane

[naive roost]

How is saying "T.rex should be able to talk to Stegosaurus" all that different from saying "T.rex should be able to fly like a helicopter"?

[indigo cave]

non binary is anything that doesn't fit in ewither men or woman

[void marlin]

But it's not part of non binary because plane

[indigo cave]

you would be surprised, autism doesnt differenciate

[neon elk]

no politics in chatting me thinks

[void marlin]

P L A N E

[naive roost]

What politics?

[indigo cave]

what?

[regal notch]

so until then, the idea of what the isle is to you is purely in theory off what information we've only been given for now and the little support toward otherwise, that's to say... I don't think that's all the isle is going to be, not when it has defined mechanics for each dino, limited chat, rules and functions that go beyond the simplicity of just "eat, drink, live". We wouldn't need an entomb mechanic if that were all, there's more in favor of "there's potentially more to come"(even if it's taking FOREVER) than there is "that's all this game is meant to be".

[neon elk]

gender politics
thus breaking the islecordian rules