#ai-feedback-discussion

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glad tangle
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I mean he laughed at my post saying multiple active players are quitting the game like he finds it funny, when it’s actually sad and not good for the game.

As long as he can’t provide clear arguments about this i don’t give him any credibility.

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But it’s not a debate. I use the feedback section for the DEVS to see my message.

Discord members who’s opinion is only to laugh at someone’s post doesn’t have much importance to me.

torpid vortex
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I missed the part where he laughed at your post, shame for destroying, good debates, something regarding moderation, could be done about this, feedback discussion channels could be more strict or something so shit like what he did does not happen so much or somethin?

But you said it right, no clear arguments, no credibility, this might be a rule in da making. :TI_Yikes:

glad tangle
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Oh no noo! I was referring as his ‘wheeze’ emoji and thumbs down on my post! He never actively commented about it 🙂 sorry for the confusion! PES3_Comfy

torpid vortex
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Btw the post i refered to, his last post, MrJaw, is actually very lame, imo.

glad tangle
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I’m pretty sure the Devs have a plan in mind regarding the AIs but i’m not sure if it’s normal to have this actual kind of gameplay. Or at least i don’t personally like it, along with all my friends who told me they would only come back in the game once the AI situation is fixed TI_Succ

torpid vortex
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In a Yoda tone of voice:
Togheter a solution we shall find.TI_dondiSmile

glad tangle
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😂

warped lake
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I think the AI situation will be fixed once they add more species for AI

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Like Teronto and Stego which should come soon. Not to mention Utah AI is also close to be done as far as I observed from the last Roadmap

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Teronto and Utah only needed QA stuff and Behaviour Algorithm done to it

torpid vortex
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Thats one part of it.

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More species as AI

warped lake
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Pretty sure that will mean more AI spawning

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I dont want AI for food

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I wanna see them interact

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I want to watch them and appreciate how far the dev(s) of AI have came

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If you know what I'm trying to say

silver raven
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Now that they have a mapper, we can harass the devs to hire someone spceialized into AI

glad tangle
olive sluice
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seriously please YGSYEFG I wanna play this game so bad but its just missing the essential aspect on AI. So I play it very rarely.
I wanna catch Punch at some point when hes doing those lil Q&A sessions and ask about their plans for AI... cause they haven't said anything about it or really acknowledged our feedback?... idk

glad tangle
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my evenings on The Isle are practically laying down on the grass, eating a fish and drink water once in a while and chat with my peeps on my Discord server, i mean, i really DO want the game to be survival-horror too, but there is nothing to keep us entertain right now

olive sluice
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yeAH exactly exactly

glad tangle
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And i know how much pressure the Devs have because thousands of people wants 1,000,000 things at the same time for the game and they can just do one at the time.

olive sluice
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Yeah, i dont think any of us mean we want it noW >:(((
Just that I hope they plan on doing this stuff,
cause AI seems to be pushed to the side lines A LOT which is weird considering how desperately this game needs it to work

silver raven
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Well this game desperately needs a lot of things to work

olive sluice
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for sure, but AI is something thats, as I said, pushed to the side a lot

glad tangle
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They want to push a gameplay on us but removing the chats and the AI was too soon, not enough content to do it so soon. Now the game looks just empty, dead. Quiet, boring, depressing. And not everyone wants to be in the big crowded servers! I can’t wait to come across a AI herd TI_HypsiLove TI_HypsiLove TI_HypsiLove TI_HypsiLove

olive sluice
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Me too!

glad tangle
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People are harsh sometimes TI_Sweat they are crucifying the Devs so easily

torpid vortex
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Not having AI like, fully working as intended atm, is what it is, but this gives more room for more player/dino interaction, wich could serve more, the purpose of this version aka Update 3?

elfin mauve
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One of the dumb things that makes Ai Even harder to deal with is the née hyper fast water drain. I swear to god you can’t venture more than a few steps from any water because in 15 mins you’re thirsty again and have to go drink! It’s like a ball and chain, meaning I cannot roam the map looking for food cuz I’ll die of dehydration! I mean, if a small amount of hydration could be gained from food (as it is IRL) the ultra fast water drain wouldn’t be so bad. Just hunt that Ai and you won’t die. But currently this is trash.

sleek bone
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be grazing for carnivores lmao

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what kinda comparison is that

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the devs want ai to be comparable to fighting other players, so hopefully ai will kill idiots who don't know what they're doing

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it aint carnivore grazing at all

silver raven
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Hence the facepalm emote

sleek bone
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yeah is this guy expecting legacy taco, oro and ava ai?

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none of it should be as easy as those three were

silver raven
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He just seems to hate AI
I think a robot murdered his entire family when he was a kid or something

sleek bone
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"those damn AI i'll get them for what they've done"

glad tangle
warped lake
formal vine
plush swallow
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I was trying to meet you guys half way here, this way you can have your beautiful herds of bots and avoid starvation but it's not a substitute for player interaction.

sleek bone
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these 'herds of bots' shouldnt be so easy as to be compared to grazing through

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bots should kill and/or evade shitty players

plush swallow
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In a perfect world the bots should be harder to kill than even skilled players, without giving them OP stats, but let's be realistic

warped lake
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Lets be realistic, in a perfect world you wouldnt be playing a dino survival horror game if you wanted PVP to be the main factor

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But also in another perfect world, you wouldnt be trashing AI opinions/feedback if you were to focus on PVP. Last time I checked if you wanted a game focused more on PVP, #balance-feedback is something you should be replying to

final musk
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just starved as utah, all the food is in the rivers infested by deinos feeding on fish

upbeat pollen
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How long do the AI persist?

torpid vortex
fathom cedar
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@desert vortex Ai is far different from Legacy and how they spawn.

final musk
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I have played as deino and there's 0 problem about food.

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Same with pteras. Because AI fish is everywhere, but land AI is almost non existant

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I'm all in for survival, but I like to play on the same terms.

woeful sapphire
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Was the amount of AI quietly bumped up recently?

I have had no trouble at all keeping a full grown Carno' fed on AI the past two days.

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I've been finding them on the outskirts and in the centre plains without issue. They don't give much food but I am finding enough to keep from starving.

torpid vortex
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I would accept what your saying if it wasnt ez as it is to kill AI dryos, they litteraly jump in your mouth if you know what to do.

final musk
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no, i do not know where AI spawns

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i find it easily as ptera or deino tho

plush swallow
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Nothing wrong with different playstyles and challenges for the different dinos

final musk
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oh well

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im walking for hours and not a single dryo yet

warped lake
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Joke of the year everybody

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I'm all good for different playstyles like Turbo said, but I dont want to be forced to go against a Carno that has GOD TIER PVP skills in a Utah.

final musk
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im playing without AI, for real, i only find players but no dryos hahah

warped lake
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I play the Isle for the immersion

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And I dont think the real world has 20 carnos in a group

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Or 30 Utahs

plush swallow
warped lake
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And Herbivores IRL werent this scarce

warped lake
plush swallow
warped lake
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How tf?

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The only thing that AI would do is make it slightly easier not to starve and lose hours of progress

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I dont want Legacy AI

final musk
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a dryo here and there would not feed big packs

warped lake
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And that as well

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A dryo feeds 50% on 1 Utah

plush swallow
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they all need to eat, there wouldn't be these big groups of carnos if there wasn't enough food for them all

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I know this is more a problem with the abundance of food for carnivores, but more bots would just increase the food available to them all else being equal

warped lake
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You think game is equal now?

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I disagree

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Because no matter if there's less or more AI big packs will happen, but it wont be manditory for survival

plush swallow
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what's that supposed to mean? "all else being equal" means that this would be the only change, ie. more bots but the same food output per corpse

warped lake
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You wont see 30 carnos together if it will be easier not to starve

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Literally Me and my gf play Evrima and have to pack with 5 other utahs just to survive, and even then we're taking a gamble because Deinos can just swallow us whole, or Carno can just charge one of us, one-2 shot us if we're injured and run away while the rest of that group kills everyone who follows

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Also, a dryo wont feed a pack, and it doesnt feed a pack.

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1 juvie deino barely feeds 4 raptors, and not even full adults

plush swallow
warped lake
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Stego AI can defend itself

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Plus, I'm not asking for 10 of Stego AI in a Herd

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3 would be enough, 5 slight overkill

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Stegos also 1 shot Utahs

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Probably 2 shot carnos

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AI is also here to make the world feel alive

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Not just because of food

plush swallow
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a single stego feeds a pack of utahs or carnos for days though

warped lake
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Days?

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Can an anti-ai movement member confirm this?

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Because I only ran into 1 stego player in the whole time of me playing evrima

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I did run into a stego baby though, it was already dead, and it barely got me from around 20% to 70% of food as a subadult Utah

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So I'm not exactly buying into your story pal

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I also dont understand what you have against AI

plush swallow
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that's fine. In my experience a pack of carnivores rarely even have the patience to finish eating a stego

plush swallow
warped lake
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It's hard for me to see your perspective because everything you suggest regarding AI just hurts the game

plush swallow
warped lake
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This is what I want from AI:

As a carnivore if I'm running solo, I want to hear AI, and go "Well, I can go and try to take down a Stego, or I could go and find a dryo because I don't want to lose my progress on this dino...". If I'm running with my girlfriend, I want this "Do you think we can take on a stego? If we pounce wrong one of us can die, but if we pounce right and strategize we can maybe take down a stego without casualties"

(A VERY RARE case) And as a herbivore, if I'm solo and hear a stego ai herd "I don't have a big pack, but if I stay close to the stego AIs I have a big higher chance of growing without being massacred by bigger carnivores"

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AI should be like that

plush swallow
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It should be toggleable server side

warped lake
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Because most players want to play as cool dinos, this has been said a billion times by MULTIPLE memb- facepalm

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At this point this shit aint even worth it discussing with you

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Because your mind is closed tighter than a bank vault.

plush swallow
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Lol, you're the one acting like your vision of the game is the only valid one

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even the option to play without bots is unacceptable to you, and I'm the close minded one

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wow

warped lake
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Sure buddy

plush swallow
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I mean I wouldn't care at all how bots worked if they could just be turned off, why would having it as a server option be so bad?

warped lake
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Yep

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Just kill low population servers all together

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Better yet just remove it from the game all together

torpid vortex
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Dont turn off AI, you are ending Amarok's job, and putting him out of a job, on unemployment.TI_Shut

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Thanks.

silver raven
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No, turbo's right, giving the option to be able to turn off AI for unofficials is good. It's better than asking to stop developing it for officials. Besides, Amarok's job isn't only to make AI (that's why it's so slow, that's because he also has other things to do)

warped lake
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Now that I have a clear head and my braincells got revived, thats the only good thing he recommended

lunar jay
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Hi, does anyone know how abundant ai will be in the later development of evrima? I'm kind of concerned about how that could impact the nutrition mechanics for carnivores, if they need to feed on a particular prey species for that nutrition, and how that might be an issue if they're dependent on preying on other players that play as that target prey species to get that nutrition requirement vs being able to take advantage of the 1st prey item you can reach, whether it's an ai or another player?

formal vine
torpid vortex
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Dont take me wrong, i dont have AI on my diets since Old Legacy days, but it doesnt mean i want it shut off, i might have that, but for a "PvP Hardcore Mode" (No AI) server type of stuff.

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Even then, theres others things 2 do right now, with what we have.

plush swallow
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@opal vigil The bots don't attack herbivores, including other dryos, anymore. Good thing too, that was pretty ridiculous how they used to do that.

keen plinth
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they still do

plush swallow
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they do? I haven't had it happen since before update 3

opal vigil
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take a dryo and stay in front of them you'll see them biting you, not chasing you but still...

distant gate
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what is the ratio of water AI to land AI?

silver raven
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99%-1%

distant gate
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so if the server says 200 AI i need to know how its dispersed

silver raven
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Maybe up to 97%-3%

distant gate
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lol it feels like that

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if thats true...its a problem

leaden tartan
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hold on... does evrima have bots besides FISH?

warped lake
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Legends say, only 1 pack member of a carnivore pack will bare witness to the illusive Dryo AI...

leaden tartan
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i really think bots should be more common, run in small groups or alone, encompass most if not all species, never cannibalize, & try to keep them in specific areas providing some life to some popular areas

warped lake
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Jokes aside, Dryo AI is a thing, it's just soo rare because the spawning is broken

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Everybody is begging for an AI increase as well

formal vine
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actually, Im pretty sure the amount of dryos is the same as in update 2. they are just smarter and wont sit in the open field for a free meal. however they are incredibly hard to find so something needs to be done about that

formal vine
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easier to find yes. easier to catch no. they should be very hard to catch

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the small ones however since they can't run should continue to hide

onyx bobcat
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imo the better fix would be to have certain spots throughout the map with high AI spawns, akin to the diet system for herbis

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plus that way, these areas would attract other carnis and thus other competition. the game should never be allowed to go back to ye olde legacy days of "i havent seen a player in 2 hours as a carni but im fully fed in this distant corner of the map thanks to AI"

buoyant sphinx
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unsure if thats a good idea cuz then carnis might just go there and eat free food forever as if they were herbis

onyx bobcat
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not saying they'd be able to catch the AI

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just that it wouldnt be the weird random spots it is anymore

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that way you wouldnt have to make dryo AI stupid as hell and call out every 2 minutes

buoyant sphinx
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i dont think carno and utah would have much trouble catching dryo ai tho

formal vine
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eh, dryos are faster than utahs atm

buoyant sphinx
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yeah but how smart is our AI currently?

formal vine
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pretty smart actually, you can see it crouching (if you find it)

buoyant sphinx
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can it weave through trees? i havent been able to test that myself

formal vine
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and do other things

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it'll crouch, walk around, trot. avoid obstacles decently well.

buoyant sphinx
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oh nice

onyx bobcat
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just saying it'd be better than random spawns that are no where near other players. this is a pvp game after all, and if there are still relatively low spawns even in that specific spawning area, the carnis will kill each other too

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so there wont be enough AI to be buddy-buddy

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i dont think anyone wants a return to the legacy rexes chilling next to twins and eating 20 avas and growing to full that way......

onyx bobcat
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thanks :) i just think that having certain high-spawn areas rather than random hunger-based spawns will encourage player interaction rather than discourage it like in legacy. keep in mind im not suggesting dryos only spawn in one spot on the map, but once diets get added in im hoping AI will spawn in various general areas near their preferred foods, which makes sense even just realism-wise, but will also encourage carnis to travel even if there's a low herbi player population, and encourage carnis to interact with each other to compete for food

opal vigil
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As far as I could see I was able to grow utah and carno only with ai on an empty server (for the carno growing is do-able but you will die from starvation right after, you NEED bigger prey as an adulte wich is logic). But the spawn of every 8 locations I saw all around the map where kinda chaotic, you have to be lucky to have one (or 2 apparently) at the spawns AND if they are here, lucky to find them because they won't always make noise when you are close. Sometimes I will notice them only because I smell them. I don't know if it is the result that the devs wanted. But it does no more feel like you stay somewhere and wait for food to come to your mouth. Therefor, maybe a little bit more ai would be welcome.

onyx bobcat
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id be down for only finding AI thru sniffing, just hope theyd make sniffing less laggy

worldly oak
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it'd depend on the size of the AI, i dont think you need a nose to help you spot a triceratops. but for the smaller stealthy stuff i agree, they should be found mostly through sniffing

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basically all the smalls, maybe some tenos as well though I doubt tenos would hide as much

eternal marlin
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It would probably help if AI had to visit water/food instead of making them loud or just lounge around in the open for no reason

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Actual players have the weakness that they have to drink and eat and are exposed, so giving that same weakness to AI could make them unable to just sit in hiding forever

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Iirc its planned and in development

neon nest
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Does anyone know if ai will come to the water to drink?

lunar jay
# formal vine ai should be able to be found more soon, they will change it. they will also add...

I've been hearing what I think might be a ton of dryo ai, but it's damn near impossible for me to find them when I start searching.

But the thing that I am a bit concerned about regarding the nutrition mechanics for carnivores is like if it's species specific... Like say a T. rex needs to eat a Triceratops bone or liver to get a certain benefit, are there plans for Triceratops ai too, or would a T. rex or any carnivore with a specific nutrient need have to rely on random chance of another player spawning in as a Triceratops and by chance coming upon them? That's a bit of a concern I have, is whether the nutrition mechanics might be that specific for the carnivores?

formal vine
empty grotto
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@glad tangle so the compys attach to the rex and eat its scraps?

glad tangle
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They don’t necessarily “attach”

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They just follow it and eat the scraps of its food yeah

empty grotto
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yes in fact, they do attach, they literally have suction cups on their head and it looks stupid as hell, give this to compy

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warped lake
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He meant the compies dont attach, they just follow the rex and eat the leftovers

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Which doesnt seem like a bad idea, but it can lead to free food for the rex

silver raven
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Not much free food tbh

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You would need hundreds of compies to feed a rex
They're not even worth a bite

warped lake
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Ehh you're probably right

glad tangle
glad tangle
warped lake
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Gonna make it that they feed a rex like 1%

silver raven
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Even 1% is a lot

warped lake
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I kind of like the idea honestly, I just wasnt sure if I want to see it or not

glad tangle
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That’s why I said AI Rex. Not Rex players

warped lake
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Rex AI could work

glad tangle
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AI Rex wouldn’t bother on killing Compies

warped lake
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Yep

silver raven
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In evrima you need to eat around 30% of your weight to be fed
A rex is 9 tons
A compy is 20 kg if I'm right

warped lake
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Ohhhh I see

silver raven
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Ah I just looked it up, I was wrong

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A compy is 3 kg

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So it would literally require 1000 compies to feed a rex

warped lake
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Jesus xD

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Well Bil got an upvote from me

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I think it would be cool to see something like that

glad tangle
warped lake
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@upbeat pollen good idea for food and variety, I also have an idea how it can be balanced, instead of being able to normal attack kill it, deinos have to use the alt attack to kill it, if the turtle is smaller than the croc, it applies a de-buff or stuns the croc

upbeat pollen
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That'd be interesting. I certainly had turtles more in mind for deino than other animals, but I could also see a carno just picking it up and eating eating it whole as well. Cerato as well.

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And Sucho

warped lake
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Hmmm maybe smaller ones? Not sure how normal land dinos would fare against the shell, then again they were able to get through anky's armor...

upbeat pollen
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I'm not sure either, honestly. The big bite forces on some of the carnos might be able to crack it, though I'm not sure how some of their teeth would fare. That's kind of why I just imagined them being swallowed whole.

astral snow
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Very dumb question, but besides fish, is there currently AI in the game?

formal vine
astral snow
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ah fair enough. i've never seen it

warped lake
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You're not the only one

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Only the luckiest ones find it

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In over few days of me playing Evrima I found it only 2 times by sheer luck

upbeat pollen
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There used to be a lot more planned AI on the Trello. I'm not sure what the plans are for those going forward.

thorny dragon
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all of the ai that was planned is still there

upbeat pollen
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Where's it at now? Was it put under each individual inhabitant?

thorny dragon
upbeat pollen
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Thanks!

upbeat pollen
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If there's ever Deinosuchus AI, I hope they're cannibals lol

silver raven
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It's funny because I don't want deino AI in the game, although I'm advocating for every species of AI and massive increase in their population
That's probably because I don't like scare jumps and I already see deinos everywhere currently

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But yes, it should definitely be cannibal

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Maybe it should simply kill any other deino on sight without eating it afterwards to better mimick the behavior of players TI_Troll

upbeat pollen
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That does sound a lot like art imitating reality TI_Think

acoustic dagger
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lmao

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i've said it a few times but I dont think there should be any large AI after a certain point. Too much big AI takes away from the player-eat-player gameplay of this game

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and that gameplay makes the isle unique over other games

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eating Ai is kinda lame

silver raven
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Too much AI takes away from the gameplay experience
But the right amount of AI improves it

acoustic dagger
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fr sure, but having very little big ai makes players have to eat eachother

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little ai makes it so they are just enough to keep you from starving to death

silver raven
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Ai is not here to keep you from starving (well a little but it's not its main purpose)

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But yes, the vast majority of Ai should be small ones
Because that's how an ecosystem works

acoustic dagger
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ye that too lmao

glad tangle
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@static perch

get better at hunting

static perch
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it was easier to find people then dryo ai, in a 7 server pop. and i killed 2 of those people

olive sluice
# silver raven Maybe it should simply kill any other deino on sight without eating it afterward...

Making AI behave as players defeats the very purpose of having AI.

Everyone goes on and on and on about this game being 'realistic' and yet they want AI to act like jerks lmao

AI should behave as animals do. Cause AI is not just for food or to fill player gaps. Its for ambiance, its to fill the world with life. Even when a server is at full capacity the game still feels so empty, cause its just a bunch of dinos running around killing eachother for no reason lol

glad tangle
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readding food AI would kill the isle

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just add more dyro AI, but make them more complex

sleek bone
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no AI capable of fueling predator packs should be easy to catch

static perch
warped lake
# static perch no u

AI isn't meant to be food. They are there to fill the player gap to make the game feel more alive, plus, Dryos are perfectly balanced as they aren't supposed to be easy to catch

static perch
cedar merlin
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had to take on two full grown adult stegos as a early juvi carno due to lack of food. I will let you guess how that turned out.

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got my licks in though

plush swallow
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A lot of people do expect bots to be a reliable food source.

cedar merlin
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the two adult stegos were not a reliable food source for me...

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i dont get when people say your main source of food as a carni should be other players

plush swallow
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it's more fun that way

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both for the carnivores and for their prey

cedar merlin
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feel like that should be an option but the pay off as in the past is fun and a food source that lasts longer and feeds you longer

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but if it is the main food source you have lots of starved carnis

onyx bobcat
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thats kind of okay tho, if carnis never starved we’d have a repeat of legacy where you have a bunch of rexes all chatting together at twins

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its a survival game after all

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6/8 dinos in the roster rn get free food (herbis get plants, pteras/deinos get fish)

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there’s already an infestation of deinos... why would anyone want that to happen on land, too?

sleek bone
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Do people want legacy tacos back or something? It's supposed to be a challenge to be a carni, not sure what all the complaints are about

onyx bobcat
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^

warped lake
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I ain't expecting AI to be easy to catch, I do expect it to give you food when and IF you catch it. I just want a game that feels alive, and not a dayz repeat where I have to walk for 2 hours to find another player that will 1 bite me because they have the same issue like I do

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AI should be difficult to catch

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Especially for juvies

cedar merlin
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I think ai should be able to feed carnis but ai done right will fix a lot of these problems. Sometimes ai will escape, sometimes ai will kill you, ai will push you to group with other carnis, etc.

stuck island
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@chrome perch please keep #ai-feedback clear of discussions or comments on others suggestions/feedback. You are welcome to comment in this channel.

near tartan
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oi

glad tangle
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food ai is dumb and ruins the point of carnivores

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Making food just come to you on a sliver platter makes things too easy

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its no skill gameplay

sleek bone
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Ai should be a last resort for lone small-med carnivores and growing juvies, apexes and packs should not be able to sustain themselves on AI

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Some carnis starving to death doesnt even matter, they take up like 80% of the roster most of the time anyway, nothing of value lost

cedar merlin
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so if everyone wants to play rex they should not be allowed?

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or they should just eat the other rexes running around?

sleek bone
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A whole server playing rex? Yeah without admin aid that should be near impossible

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It would be a cannibal fest

cedar merlin
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then you would want to be on one of those strict servers that tell you what you can play

sleek bone
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No lol

cedar merlin
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i try to avoid cannibalism unless it makes sense... deino makes a lot of sense to eat each other

sleek bone
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Rexes cannibalizing unrelated young of their species makes sense

cedar merlin
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true but as a main food source?

sleek bone
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If it is a server with 80+% rex players yep

cedar merlin
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that would get lame picking on smaller predators or risking my dino with a fair fight

sleek bone
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AI shouldnt be an alternative for apexes to live off of

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A server with so many apexes is also pretty lame

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Legacy all over again

cedar merlin
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with perks coming cannibalism could have some type of consequence

sleek bone
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Seeing an apex should be cool not “ugh another rex, probably grew eating tacos at the corner of the map”

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Cannibalism should be punished where it makes sense

cedar merlin
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you would be dictating to people what they can play if you want to control apex numbers

sleek bone
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But many predators should have some wiggle room on cannibalizing younger competition, just not making it a bulk of their diet

cedar merlin
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with ai they can make it so the map is not filled with 80% rexes

sleek bone
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Not really, just discouraging it

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An ecosystem isn't supposed to have a massive number of apexes

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The isle is a player run ecosystem

cedar merlin
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so you like the way the game is currently with the ai pop?

sleek bone
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Apexes should not be able to thrive on AI, they should be forced to take part in the food chain if they do not want drawbacks

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I couldnt really care less about the current AI pop with how easy it is to find players at hotspots right now

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There should be more variety and behaviours but nothing that can sustain apexes and packs

untold umbra
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As more AI species are introduced, AI will become a part of the food chain.

cedar merlin
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i starved the other day as a carno. I found food early on but it got to a point where food ran out no ai was around and i was about to starve... 2 adult stegos showed up.. my options were starve to death or suicide 2 adults with my juvi lone carno... what do you think about that? Is that how carni life should be?

sleek bone
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Yep it will, but a rex or giga or even Spino shouldn't be able to just thrive on AI, since they are a very impactful species in the ecosystem

cedar merlin
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Now imagine i spent 6 hrs growing a dino just to hit a similar situation...

untold umbra
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Well, starvation is a legitimate threat that is not to be disregarded. But Punch has already stated that there is an AI imbalance in the current branch, that causes Fish to take up many more AI slots than Dryosaurus does. It will be fixed soon, hopefully this hotfix.

sleek bone
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A 6 hour dino could have hunted many more things than a carno, considering there will be more species in the future especially

cedar merlin
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people that want to play carni now and then will quit playing because the only viable choice is herbi and herbi gets boring.

sleek bone
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Not really, on a high pop server you can find hotspots easy lol

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Hunt there

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And AI should just not let apexes and packs thrive as a bulk of their diet, apexes and packs really have no excuse to pick on easier targets since they are effective at killing a larger array of dinos than lone or paired smalls-mids

cedar merlin
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i agree hippo starvation should be a threat, but if not done correctly it feels cheap and like my dino was taken for no reason

untold umbra
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I think starvation will always feel that way. Dying makes you feel stupid, but not every death is memorable. That's the nature of the game.

sleek bone
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And also if it is a dead server, why grow an apex? What's the point?

cedar merlin
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in legacy ai would keep you from starving but killing a player was a solid food source that would last

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constantly hunting ai was a pain

sleek bone
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AI could sustain apexes

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Legacy ai was free food

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Terrible

untold umbra
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There are good reasons Legacy design won't be coming to the Evrima branch.

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That is, indeed, the point of Evrima.

sleek bone
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Literally rexes hiding at the corner of the map eating tacos and avas til they were full grown

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Yeah, they want to drop a lot of mechanics and features that were in legacy

cedar merlin
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yeah then go hunt players

sleek bone
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Including spoonfed AI

cedar merlin
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i will always do that. I grow my dino in secret then when im full grown i look for others and look to kill players

onyx bobcat
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starvation is part of the hardcore survival experience lmao

sleek bone
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Yeah thats not how it should work

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You shouldnt be baby bottled on AI until youre adult and then kill players with the apex you didn't work properly for

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You should be a part of the player ecosystem from the start

onyx bobcat
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literally had 0 trouble surviving as a lone utah for like 3 hours, ate fish AI and found dryo AI by, you know, bothering to sniff sometimes

untold umbra
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There's nothing wrong with being cautious your entire young life. But diets will force you to travel, whether you like it or not. If you can remain out of sight for the entire phase of your growth, more power to you.

cedar merlin
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starvation because i failed a hunt feels worthy. starvation because i could not find one lizard to eat after running around through a full food meter feels cheap

onyx bobcat
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AI should not call out and beg to die like in legacy

sleek bone
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If a rex player puts in the extra cowardice to only hunt small weak things and AI growing up it should be punished by the diet system with much slower growth

onyx bobcat
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part of carni gameplay is the fear of starvation

untold umbra
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I'm in favor of AI creatures that are easy to locate, but also easy to lose track of and very difficult to catch/take down.

sleek bone
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Dryo should stay sneaky and not really easy to find, different AI should behave differently

cedar merlin
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you will be punished by the diet system

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staying out of site is exactly what a young animal does. a juvi should stay hidden in bushes and not prance around 1 calling all day

sleek bone
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If I had my way, apexes and other large carnis who go out of their way to hunt weak small prey for the bulk of their diet would also be punished in their stats so they are easy pickings for the predators and animals they attack who actually put work and risk into growing, but i doubt it will go that far

onyx bobcat
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probably will, diets will affect stats most likely

cedar merlin
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you want carnis to only go after equal or stronger prey?

onyx bobcat
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maybe not “easy pickings” but idk

cedar merlin
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i read growth rate gets stunted

untold umbra
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I don't think that will be necessary. Apexes ideally should find it much more difficult to catch "weak small prey," even as a supplement to their diet. Much easier to catch up to a slow, lumbering stegosaur, and then try to fight it, than to run around chasing Dryo from one end of the map to the other as something like a sub-rex.

sleek bone
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Carnis who are designed to hunt equal sized or larger prey should be punished for avoiding it, if it is their playstyle to be a weak little coward, their stats should reflect it

untold umbra
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Just develop AI to the point where they aren't a free meal, and everyone will be happy.

onyx bobcat
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the devs are already heavily trying to control gameplay with the removal of global, so its fair for them to heavily control individual species’ playstyle

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and yeah, the issue is performance ig

cedar merlin
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dont think we will ever see the game where everyone will be happy

sleek bone
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The morons who grew rexes in the corner of the map eating tacos on legacy won't be happy for sure

cedar merlin
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very true stronger ai will alleviate a lot of the complaints

untold umbra
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TI_HypsiShrug They're just players who found a strategy that worked. They'll have to find a different strategy that works in a more difficult ecosystem.

sleek bone
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Hope we never get apex plague ever again

cedar merlin
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but players will adapt and it will become easy or the ai will not be catchable and at that point it might as well not even be there

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have you played evrima lol?

sleek bone
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Uh yeah? Don't see how that wiestion gets brought up

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It is an incomplete ecosystem made up of mainly small-mid with deinos eating a ton of fish and eachother

cedar merlin
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deinos and carnos all over. carno may not be an apex but atm kinda is

sleek bone
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I'll forgive it for the fact that it is a barebones ecosystem, it is disgusting nonetheless

cedar merlin
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apex is just the animal at the top of the food chain which dein and carno are

sleek bone
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currently but considering how low carno is supposed to be in the ecosystem when it is more complete i can't complain too heavily on how many there are atm

cedar merlin
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dont think you can tell little timmy that he cant play T-Rex because it over pops the server or hes just going to starve to death. He will find a new server or quit the game

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ok you were talking about the near final product?

sleek bone
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Final product, or when the game has diets and a larger roster that includes the big hour terrestrials yeap

glad tangle
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apexes should be hard to play

sleek bone
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And little timmy can play that rex, he just has to git gud

glad tangle
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If everyones playing apex and theres barely any food and you’re not good enough to survive, either play better or dont play apexes

sleek bone
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And actually risk hunting challenging prey skillfully

glad tangle
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^

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people want to play carnivores, but not actually have to hunt

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they just want to be big bad big bite dino

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like just play sandbox

cedar merlin
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member when dryo first came out that was pretty good

glad tangle
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ecosystems dont work when carnivores have an unlimited amount of food

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thats why food ai just fucks the game up

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theres no incentive to play herbies

sleek bone
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Honestly i'd punish pussyrexes who hide in a bush and eat punies as much as they can by slowing and then capping their growth early, forcefully species changing them to tarbosaurus which is basically just a shitty runt rex

glad tangle
cedar merlin
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play herbies for fun. for a diff experience

glad tangle
sleek bone
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But luckily for bad rex players i'm not in charge of that

glad tangle
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you clearly dislike the tough of nails apex carni experience the devs want

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so play something else

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or get better at the game

cedar merlin
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lol i think diet is going to do something very much like stunting growth

glad tangle
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we’re still talking about food ai right?

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why does diets matter?

cedar merlin
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if you choose to go for easy prey you get a runt rex

sleek bone
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Diets matter so we dont have pteras spoonfeeding utahs fish to grow them or rexes only eating juvies

glad tangle
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you either die

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or get runt rex

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runt rex that cant even hunt paras TI_WeSmart TI_Perfect

sleek bone
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We already have pteras spoonfeeding fish to their pet raptors with no repercussions it's pretty cringe

glad tangle
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runt spino that loses to sucho TI_Perfect TI_WeSmart

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also ideally the runt system will effect herbies to

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so if you fuck up your trike diet you get runt trike

sleek bone
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Probably will if carnis get it

glad tangle
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basically worse pachyrhino

sleek bone
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If you hide by a stream and just come out to eat grass when you drop to 5% so you dont starve you are kinda asking for it

cedar merlin
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if you are penalizing diet, there has to be availability

glad tangle
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so we all agree food ai is bad?

sleek bone
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Yep

glad tangle
cedar merlin
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like hippo said if it is challenging ai most will be happy

glad tangle
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the devs confirmed that

glad tangle
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should be certain locations

cedar merlin
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it will be

sleek bone
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It shouldnt spawn near carnis or call out like dinner bells

glad tangle
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like the ava AI that juvie rex wants will only spawn in red woods

cedar merlin
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we have a taste with dryo of what spawn looks like

sleek bone
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It won't, ai spawns randomly now

glad tangle
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Ai should be super strong to

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like I want ava AIs to fuck juvie rexes up

cedar merlin
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so more challenging ai you guys would be cool with?

glad tangle
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yeah

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it should always be a challenge to hunt as a carni

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no food should be free (minus semi aquatics)

sleek bone
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AI that shitstomps you if you arent good or runs away and laughs at you while you wither and die of starvation

glad tangle
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TI_Perfect ^

cedar merlin
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then punishment for working lower in the food chain for getting prey you have out grown?

sleek bone
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Yep

glad tangle
sleek bone
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If you try sustaining yourself on things below your bracket you should be punished by becoming a runt

glad tangle
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^

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runt giga thats just allo without arms

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it should also take longer to grow a runt

cedar merlin
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i can dig that. I definately want better harder ai.

sleek bone
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Carni diets should be bracket based rather than specific species, if they stay above or below that bracket they should either simply not be rewarded or be punished depending on the situation

glad tangle
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like you would grow for 12 hours just to get a runt rex

cedar merlin
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lol

sleek bone
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Grow 12 hours for tarbosaurus TI_Troll

glad tangle
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meanwhile a good rex player will grow in 6 hours and be a beast

glad tangle
sleek bone
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Idk spino could be uhhh irritator? Idk

cedar merlin
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players are going to figure it out and then the videos will flow and it will be pretty close to free

glad tangle
cedar merlin
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free food

glad tangle
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Ai should be hard to fight

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and be pretty strong

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like a fresh rex should want to eat a pachy

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so even if you know how to fight it, fuck up a few times and you die

cedar merlin
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then with nesting you will have groups of animals going after ai, which i would love to see actual pack hunting.

sleek bone
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Imagine building a pack just to waste the effort and hunt AI lol that would be kinda sad

cedar merlin
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they might have to constantly balance test ai because players will find a trick to down them or the ai will just be unkillable

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players just are not a good source of food

sleek bone
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??? How? One of the biggest unique points of the isle is that it is a player based ecosystem

cedar merlin
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its easy to hide but you dont want it to be too easy to find players either

sleek bone
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Players should be the main source

cedar merlin
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2 reasons

sleek bone
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AI should just fill the gaps

cedar merlin
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i cant tell you how many players run right by me as i hide

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the other is the situation i ran into with my carno

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the only thing to eat was 2 adult stegos vs juvi carno

sleek bone
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If you were just hiding until you starved that's kinda on you

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I've found a lot of carrion and other juvies when i played carno

cedar merlin
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right now as carno you have to constantly roam looking for your next meal

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carni*

sleek bone
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I just ate other carno juvies who were unfortunate enough to be smaller, and utah juvies

cedar merlin
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that just feels so wrong

sleek bone
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Also sometimes you can snag pteras when they land after fishing, some of them are pretty dumb

cedar merlin
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killing for competitiion is cool but, your main food source being other carni... just doesnt feel right

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or as dein when they crash in the water lol

sleek bone
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Dinosaurs are birds and reptiles, birds and reptiles don't discriminate as much as mammals do

cedar merlin
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diet is going to change that and i think it should

sleek bone
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They will eat other predators, they will eat their own kind. Cannibalism should be punished in some situations sure but when 80% of the roster is carni the players pushed themselves into the position where they are eating other carnis

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Eating other carnis shouldnt be punished as long as those carnis are in their bracket

cedar merlin
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look at the eco system today canni happens but its not the main source of food for any animal

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maybe crocs and allis

sleek bone
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You are probably thinking of manmals in the ecosystem, they discriminate more. Crocs eat eachother btw

onyx bobcat
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the reason why the main food source as a carni is other carnis is because of overpopulation

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cannibalism is a natural solution to overpopulation

sleek bone
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Crocs eat eachother, lizards eat eachother, many birds do it too

cedar merlin
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you dont think players should be able to play what ever they want and have a game built around them that supports it?

onyx bobcat
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play whatever they want within their skill level, sure

sleek bone
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Also yeah honestly, when carnis hit a certain % point the punishment for cannibalism should be reduced too

onyx bobcat
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if you're running around like a dumbass out in the open as a juvie rex, then no

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there shouldnt be some kind of guarantee to get to adulthood

sleek bone
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They should be able to play what ever they want, just don't cry when you get cannibalized while playing on the faction taking up 80% of a server's slots

cedar merlin
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doable but would require interesting coding to make happen

onyx bobcat
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interesting coding? itd literally just be a few quick calculations

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if (species == same && growth == x) { apply(debuff(%debuffed)) } or something like that

sleek bone
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And don't cry after passing up 10 other huntable carnis and then starving to death because you specifically wanted to eat AI or an herbi because they are super underplayed

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It is a player based ecosystem

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That’s how it works

cedar merlin
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you could build an independent eco system though

onyx bobcat
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and keep in mind the only thing keeping carnis from eating each other in real life ecosystems is usually just a matter of disease and/or caloric density

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i.e, herbivores tend to have fattier, more nutrient-dense meat

sleek bone
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If i didnt eat the smaller juvie carnos and utahs and instead looked for AI when growing my carno i would have starved, and i would have deserved it

cedar merlin
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player based eco system would be boring and terrible

sleek bone
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Lmao how

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AI based ecosystems are boring

cedar merlin
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thats what we have now

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no herds moving around

sleek bone
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We have an incomplete ecosystem with a handful of species now

fierce yoke
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personally i REALLY hate ai based ecosystem since it makes growing regardless of diets trivial, and removes the excitement and importance of a hunt

cedar merlin
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the game doesnt feel alive with just players

sleek bone
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No herds because it is so easy to survive as a carni pack that maybe like 20% of the server is herbis

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Also stego plays like trash, and hypsi and dryo are boring and only good for killing a bit of time when you dont feel like putting in any effort

cedar merlin
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so making carni harder you think would increase herbi numbers?

onyx bobcat
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probably

fierce yoke
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well the way they design herbivores does not really make them interesting to play

onyx bobcat
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rn deino is just "sit in pond. eat fish. avoid other deinos / megapack with them"

sleek bone
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Making herbis more appealing + punishing carnis who play like shit and want to be spoonfed AI

onyx bobcat
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^

sleek bone
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Both things should be worked on

cedar merlin
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people will quit playing if the only option is herbi

onyx bobcat
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herbis will be more appealing once nesting gets added back in, rn they literally dont have anything to do

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also diets

cedar merlin
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yeah

sleek bone
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The only option wont be herbi, have you been reading anything?

onyx bobcat
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also CTF, you underestimate the amount of people who will play whatever looks the coolest to them, or whatever their favorite dino is, regardless of difficulty

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lmao

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thats why people are still playing carnos when 6/8 of the roster has free food

sleek bone
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Surviving as a carni should be a challenge, it is still an option if you arent some weirdo who is super picky on what they hunt

cedar merlin
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but if the ultimate result is unclassy starvation it feels unfulfilling to play

onyx bobcat
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bruh you know the majority of carnivores die via starvation? it should absolutely still be a threat

sleek bone
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If you starve while there are so many players it's a you problem

onyx bobcat
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^

sleek bone
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When 80% of the roster is carni and you refuse to hunt them you deserve to wither away and feed some scavenger

onyx bobcat
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again, 6/8 of the roster can easily survive without needing to add more AI, as the game is right now

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even as a utah i lived off of washed up fish AI and even found a few dryo AI (you know, by looking for it and not just hoping itll scream at me)

sleek bone
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Even with the ‘super elusive’ AI there are utah and carno megapacks

cedar merlin
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i agree with not having free meals, but player based eco systems and a deficiency of ai is detrimental.

sleek bone
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Predators are NOT struggling to keep up, stragglers who starve are nothing of value lost in the ecosystem

onyx bobcat
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the issue is that AI will most likely not be in a place where it is:

  1. smart / elusive / dangerous
  2. not performance heavy
  3. plentiful
    anytime in the next few years of development
fierce yoke
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i also find only utah and carno interesting to play at the moment precisely because they need to hunt and starvation is a real possibility, same cant be said for rest of the roster

sleek bone
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Maybe server owners can be the ultimate deciders in how much AI and what species their server has, then people who don’t want to PvP in the PvP survival game can do as they want

onyx bobcat
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i do think herds for solo herbi players to integrate themselves into would be fun, but itd have to be pretty damn smart AI to work and i simply dont see that being in the game in the near future

cedar merlin
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they were talking about fights with ai for herd leadership

onyx bobcat
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in its current state, and with current performance issues in general with the isle, there shouldnt be more AI added

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if they manage to do all three of the things i listed? great

sleek bone
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Yeah they shouldn’t add herding/packing AI or mid tier AI until they get it working properly to not attack people through 50yards of foliage or be dumb free food

onyx bobcat
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but is that going to happen soon? no

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atm the current levels of AI are fine, even generous

sleek bone
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They could probably remove the terrestrial AI and carnis would still make up 80% of a server lol

onyx bobcat
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as a utah, if im in a secluded enough area of the map (i.e, no deinos) and i see ripples in the river, i can just... swim over and eat some of the fish

cedar merlin
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they are even talking about shrinking the map which would help with some of the items here, but the community didnt like it so we went back to big map

onyx bobcat
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its a lil glitchy but thats more of a general isle issue than AI

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i do think a smaller map is better pvp-wise (i preferred thenyaw back in legacy) but yeah exploration-wise it does kinda suck

cedar merlin
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i like the bigger map

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i like exploring

sleek bone
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They are remaking thenyaw right? Will it be the same size as the original?

cedar merlin
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with carno and utah it is all about food though you cant do anything else

sleek bone
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That can satisfy those want a more compressed playerbase

cedar merlin
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didnt hear about thenyaw

onyx bobcat
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what else is there to do in the game other than hunt though

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like mechanic wise

cedar merlin
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lol explore

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roam, swim anything other than constantly looking for food

onyx bobcat
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okay but why do that as a carno / utah and not...... as a ptera? are you the kind of person to complain that deinos cant explore parts of the map other than the rivers?

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why choose a dino to go explore thats shit at exploring?

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its like choosing ptera and complaining that you cant hunt, and saying that pteras should be able to take on utahs or smth

cedar merlin
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i would like deino to have more range than just rivers, such as the ocean maybe smaller lakes

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no no

onyx bobcat
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technically they can go in the ocean rn, the issue with their exploration is more just the map being a wip

cedar merlin
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if you like utah you should be able to have some time small as it is to do something other than constantly looking for food

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you should be able to stalk a herd and pick off the weak ones

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yeah i took my deino to the sea and actually made it back to a river thought it was going to be a suicide mission

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my whole point is a player based eco does not really lend carni to doing anything other than always looking for food

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if i want to mess around and try to jump up on a rock i dont really have time for that because i will likely starve

onyx bobcat
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carni meaning only utah and carno tho

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even then utahs can go like 40 min without food, cant they?

lunar jay
#

I had an interesting thought about the venom mechanics. I might assume that larger animals will get a better resistance buff to the effects of the venom due to their size, but IF say a juvenile or small critter were to survive a bite, could it also potentially get a slight resistance buff of some degree, should it get bitten and envenomated again?

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wrong thread, my bad

thorny dragon
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you drowned

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looks like the effects didnt play

teal trail
thorny dragon
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no, sadly

teal trail
# thorny dragon no, sadly

I can't just ask a admin to grow me to Juive?
after what just happend?
no-way that was no-where NEAR my fault.
I deserve a grow to Juive Deino, after that.

thorny dragon
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nope, admins do not do grows

teal trail
sleek bone
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For unofficial server admins to use

thorny dragon
spiral mesa
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Is there a way to access the S-AI

desert vortex
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^^^ Was wondering that as well. A-Ai is rather broken on our server and only shows 1-5 active ai, whereas saved ai is anywhere between 290 and 300+.

I am unsure if there is a way to fix our ai spawning problem, as we are having to do body drops in order to keep our carni players alive.

vapid musk
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ok the way AI works is theres a set amount of AI available in a server that only activate when somewhere goes near a spawn node

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for example say theres 200 AI

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none of it is active until someone goes near a spawn node

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then AI will spawn in the location and u can find it

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also the main reason for ppl not finding dryo AI

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is cuz almost 80% of the AI is fish

zealous harness
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DM me.

warped lake
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@surreal snow I agree we need more AI, but we need AI that can defend itself or run away from us if we make a few mistakes while hunting. I don't want AI to be easy to catch. I want to experience the hunt, not... Whatever Legacy was

surreal snow
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Yes AI that has some kind of personality and different behaviours is important. But i feel like there is a big waist of time in trying to make them too much "player like", and there is no need for that just yet. Maybe try to make the ecosystem stable first..and then work on more advanced AI behaviour 🤷‍♀️

warped lake
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We will see Utah and Tenonto AI come ingame soon

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Basic AI behaviour for now should do

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Like noticing the player, running away/attacking

surreal snow
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yeah

warped lake
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Carnivore AI should attack while Herbivore AI run away

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Thought I think the AI dev (I forgot his name, and I feel ashamed since I know how important his work is) is doing an amazing job with Evrima

onyx bobcat
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do we really even need carni AI tho? the map’s already infested with carnis. I thought the whole point of AI is to fill the gaps left by the players

warped lake
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Well, Carni AI I'd say isn't really that important

surreal snow
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yes the devs are all doing a great job. i dont feel like there is any problem with AI basic behaviour in general, the problem is in the numbers. spawning in a little more frequently would give a significant help.

warped lake
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But we're getting Carni AI so 🤷‍♂️

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I'm glad we're getting AI at all

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The Isle thats strictly PVP wouldn't be "The Isle"

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It would just be another Dinosaur PVP game

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I'm pretty sure 75% of people here play The Isle because they want to be their favorite dinosaur

surreal snow
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ye

warped lake
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And doing so just wouldn't be possible without AI

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For the people that want a strict PVP Isle, go to PVP servers

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It's not magic

surreal snow
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XD

surreal snow
warped lake
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Sure having people as carnivores breathe death on your neck is thrilling/scary, dying whenever you see another Carnivore ain't fun. If I wanted that I'd play Herbi 24/7

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But yeah, Land AI needs fixing, and I'm pretty sure Hotfix #3 should fix it

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They said they are fixing issues and improving the game with this hotfix and bringing some more unannounced game features

surreal snow
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mhm👍 lets hope for the best

humble sapphire
silver raven
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We're getting every playable as AI

warped lake
full pagoda
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I'm a bit disappointed that today's patchnotes say nothing about changes concerning AI. Wonder why this issue is not addressed at all.

sleek bone
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Considering there are still so many carni megapacks maybe they dont see any issue to be resolved as far as so called food shortage goes

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There obviously isnt that much of an issue when theres carno and utah packs swarming every active area

full pagoda
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This is the difference between full and empty servers. When there is already a population you always find anyone to hunt. In a pinch you cannibalize. But it is almost impossible to fill new servers with life. No AI means no Carnis, no Carnis means bored Herbis means no server population. This is what I experienced at least. Think of servers with <20 people. How to survive as a Carno or Utah there? How to feed even a whole pack?

olive sluice
warped lake
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Same

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I guess I'll stick to Legacy until it gets resolved.

torpid vortex
upbeat pollen
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I've already noticed a lot more dryo since this patch began. Whereas in the last few weeks I'd maybe seen three dryo total, in the last hour I've come across five (two as Teno on one server, two as Ptera on a different server, and to really test it I went to a 0 pop server and found one as a Carno within 6-7 minutes of playing).

Oddly, that 0 pop server was where I taught myself to fish as a Carno.

eternal marlin
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You can fish as a carno?

upbeat pollen
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Absolutely. Just wait for the fish to pop their heads up out of the water or look for the dark spot and you can snatch the fish up in 1-2 bites (1 bite as full adult at least) and then make sure to run off with it before a Deino catches you.

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At least, in the old water you could. Haven't tried in the new water.

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The best fishing spots are anywhere the water narrows but stays deep enough for the fish to spawn, or where it suddenly shallows out and they just pop above the surface.

thorn ore
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idk what they did, but today i went from barely finding 1 dryo to 4 today and it got me through a lot while soloing as a growing carno. I really like this as now I don't have to panic in finding an adult to help feed me.

eternal marlin
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Where were you

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I had run around a bit on a 0 population server but didn't find any

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Mostly the swamp

thorn ore
storm igloo
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Do the AI dryos spawn randomly or are there specific locations?

upbeat pollen
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Most I found were in the center.

upbeat pollen
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It's 10x harder to fish in the new water as carno. 😂

warped lake
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XD carnos arent supposed to fish anyway so WHEEZE

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Though I'm pretty sure its fun to do it

upbeat pollen
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It -was- but c'est la vie

chrome perch
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Anybody else get the sense the AI dryo are more numerous and active, also I’m pretty sure there or so dryo juveniles too

remote ermine
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Ai what ai I can never find dryo ai like ever

tranquil adder
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i dont think ive ever seen an ai

sleek bone
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The carni population is super high even with elusive dryo AI, doesn’t seem like carnis are having much trouble they just want low risk lifestyle hunting something that doesnt fight back

formal vine
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the dryos don't even seem to be that elusive, I have found like 8 over the course of like 2-3 hours and they are just free meals, even the big ones that are faster than me

sleek bone
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Yeah so idk what these people are complaining about, are they just refusing to hunt players because they're afraid of dying in PvP in a PvP game? Dryos seem a lot more plentiful in the last patch, so what's their issue?

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And if their excuse is they're playing on a dead server, why grow a carni designed to PvP on a dead server?

warped lake
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I dont want to be a bork but telling someone to just "get good" isn't helpful. I don't want my Utah to be spoon fed because where's the fun in that? Where's the thrill of the hunt? I want ai that is fun to hunt, not AI that's just... There

eternal marlin
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Ai is at a fine level rn, you just need to know where to look

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Where I've found them consistently is in the very eastern plains of the center

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Would highly prefer if they were somewhere interesting like a landmark but they arent

wispy axle
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well one point of ai is to keep players fed even when there is an absence of players

wispy axle
# warped lake I dont want to be a *bork* but telling someone to just "get good" isn't helpful....

I see what you mean the only problem is that ai is spawning in certain areas with either more players or just spawning in those areas that leads to half the people starving and then half the people well fed looking at the rest of them like their insane the thrill of the hunt is definitely something that should be in game but that cant be there if the ai isn’t spawning near players just something that needs to be worked on after all the game is still in early development I just think people shouldn’t be going around saying other people are whiny and just need to shut up and get better at the game and realize that ai is still not perfect and still is being worked on

odd rock
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is this legacy or evirma ai?

warped lake
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Evrima AI

digital heart
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i think the problem isnt the amount of AI, its the behavior of it

silver raven
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The fact it doesn't run right into your mouth ?

torpid vortex
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It kinda still does, run into your mouth, like some players do...TI_Wheeze

thorn ore
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Literally had a dryo ai walk right in front of me

wispy axle
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I think the problem isnt the amount but how and where it spawns

silver raven
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@viral basin Are you talking about Legacy or Evrima ?

trim nebula
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sounds like legacy since he mentioned giga

silver raven
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Yes but you can't starve in Legacy if you're hunting AI, and there's plenty of water sources

trim nebula
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fr

digital heart
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yea, but we need AI herds

silver raven
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@wispy axle Evrima AI doesn't spawn near players you know, it's just somewhere around on the map and becomes active when players come by

burnt reef
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how are people whinning about the damn ai , they are so easy to find

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i did laugh at the person above saying "in a pinch you might cannibalize" tho

sleek bone
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i guess they miss legacy where it required 0 effort to get free food

burnt reef
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yeah

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i can see that for sure because people just afk grow all the time

sleek bone
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didnt somebody post a pic with the admin ui in spectator and there were like a dozen dryo ai shown on the screen

cursive rivet
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for me I just want something similar to the AI spawns from Update 2

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honestly tho

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it will probs get better once we get more ai

burnt reef
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why tho? the hunger drain is even slower then it was

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and hunting players i noticed is even easier then the ai , because lets be honest here , a good chunk of the playerbase is not that bright

sleek bone
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yeha i've noticed like 75% of deinos dont even know how to alt bite and utahs dont disengage pounc ewhile they're bucked so they get stunned and die

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easy targets

cursive rivet
burnt reef
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yep , just the other day i wiped out a pack of 4 utahs with a single utah , i took 2 bites during the entire thing

cursive rivet
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and I know where Dryo Ai spawn also

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so I'm not going in the wrong areas

wispy axle
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could be the ai isnt calling I found 1 ai before dying last night to hunger once again got me to adult utah never heard or saw another ai the ai isnt hard to catch its hard to find the ai I found last night never called until I bit it

sleek bone
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Good honestly it would be stupid for a small prey aninal like dryo to call out like legacy ai

eternal marlin
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Baby deinos are so easy to hunt as a juvi, because they think they can come on land and kill you

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Theyre probably the dino I've hunted most reliably as a baby

upbeat pollen
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They're still rare, but they're far more common these days than in the weeks leading up to update 3.5. When update 2 came out, I used to see dozens a day. It's certainly far less than that now. Maybe 1-2.

past nebula
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anyone have issues as a Deino not ever seeing fish spawning in waters?

worldly oak
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I've heard dryo rates were increased as of 3.5, which is nice to see. I don't think, at least for dryos, they really need to be increased beyond that. Even post-3.5 I don't think the rates were terrible. I never got to the point of starvation. They did feel a little scarce though.

I think the main issue is people are relying on trying to hear them calling, which they very rarely do. Gotta use your sniffers people

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Guess I need to hop on tonight and see how the new rates feel

olive sluice
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YEAH i agree
I think the other issue is prolly where they spawn. Cause they spawn where like, nobody is and often in places that make little sense for them to be

Im not saying they should spawn around hungry carnis like in legacy, but they should spawn in general areas a player is (regardless of you being a herb or carni) - meaning (almost) everywhere you go, the server is populated.

If you go to the beach you probably shouldnt find dryos cause thats not their habitat. So, that also keeps the logic of 'going out and finding them' - cause searching for prey is part of hunting. So if you wanna find dryos, go to their preferred habitat.

Most of the ai in the server isnt even active cause no one is there. They're all in stasis, doing nothing.

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Im also yet to see these new ai spawn rates, I gotta check it out soon

worldly oak
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i have my fingers crossed that as of the diet update, AI spawns are changed accordingly

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herbi AI spawn around the food they naturally eat, and carni AI spawn around the spawn locations of the herbis they eat

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carnis are encouraged to learn what their prey eat and seek out those spots, and herbis stay on guard when feeding, and are more likely to fight/flee something they're balanced against

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just feels like a really logical, intuitive way of doing AI spawning that'll make the ecosystem feel rewarding and complete

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right now there's no rhyme or reason to how they spawn, as far as i can tell. you just happen to get lucky and pass a spawn node

olive sluice
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Yeah I totally agree with u, and I hope they'll do that too
Cause YEAH there's no logic to it at all, so as a result hunting is also based on luck. You can't 'learn' to hunt anything or strategize cause its random.

worldly oak
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yep. I've found it "reliable" to just constantly sniff as i travel. I rarely starve that way. but it's not very fun, because you're going pretty slowly the whole time and dont really get a chance to relax

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you can't afford to let your guard down and stop actively seeking prey

olive sluice
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yeah I do the same thing, cause unless you're in a hot spot its rather barren- and yeah gosh it is, so boring hAHA

worldly oak
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the solution typically i guess is to join a pack and hunt larger stuff. but when i play carno, i want to be a solo small-game hunter. and its just a bit boring to actually do that atm orz

olive sluice
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yeah, exactly.

wispy axle
glad iron
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The AI is so low that it makes no ecological sense at all. Dryo are suppose to be grouped up and watching out for each other taking turns eating (from the concept art). But they're alone and very scarce.

wispy axle
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true

cedar merlin
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should be able to use all senses to find prey not just rely on one

sleek bone
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If there's not enough food for carnis, then the carnis taking up the vast majority of each active server must have gone vegan huh

olive sluice
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if you're in the right place (a hot spot) theres actually an overabundance of food. Thats cause its just a constant warzone cause theres nothing else to do in the game other than hunt and kill atm.

The rest of the map however can get pretty barren- and the majority of players in hotspots at the moment is like 30 utahs, a bunch of carnos, deinos, maybe a few pteras
herbs, no where to be seen

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AI is absolutely necessary. So to those saying "need more food" or "decrease starvation levels" ...mmm... no.

Starvation should be absolutely a common thing to die from- just right now its kinda not working great.

sleek bone
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Well when its so easy to make megapacks and stay fed as a carni and herbs aside from tenonto are boring as fuck it's no surprise

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Carnis arent short on food unless they choose to be

cedar merlin
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starvation should be a part of the game due to failed hunting rather than there just not being anything around to eat. Starving feels cheap or like i was robbed in the current state of the game.

sturdy zenith
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Is it really wrong to want to have a little alone time? I love having the challenge of surviving on ai alone, and without other players adopting/interacting with me. Smaller lone carnis should be able to survive without depending on other players.

cedar merlin
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Agreed. Also the map is supposed to get bigger what is the point of having all this map and regions just to force players to stay in hot spots and not explore. Many pvp oriented players have made the complaint about carni mega packs surviving on ai. Admins are there to enforce natural pack sizes...

sturdy zenith
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I really do feel like community servers should have the ability to change the frequency of when ai spawns. Whether they want pvp to happen more or whatever is up to them. And then it is down to the player to choose to play on a server that have settings they prefer.

cedar merlin
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I agree man. I think there is or will be a setting for ai. I will avoid servers with low ai. Feels like a waste of 6 hrs going a dino to starve for no real reason.

formal vine
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tbf nothing takes 6 hours

sturdy zenith
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There will be enough servers that will make everyone happy eventually. Or people can host their own servers if they can't find one they like, or they just get over it and deal with it lol. Starving because of lack of spawning is not the same as starving because you're not good at hunting.

cedar merlin
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didnt they just bump deino to 6?

sturdy zenith
formal vine
sturdy zenith
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5 hours, even, is a long time for a game with permadeath due to lack of food existing.

cedar merlin
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my bad carno is 2hr 15m

sturdy zenith
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It does feel super cheap to lose a dino for something that is completely out of your control, and not due to another player.

cedar merlin
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dont want to spend 2hrs growing a dino just to have it starve randomly its a waste of time

sturdy zenith
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Yeah.

cedar merlin
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now if i starve because i broke my leg and cant hunt i can roll with that.

sturdy zenith
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Right! It's literally just because of something that was in your control. Not because the servers are barren at times, and there are little to no ai

cedar merlin
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there should be mulitiple herds of herbis roaming the map

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seems like devs think the way we do, but i am not too sure about the player base there are many that seem to want little/no ai and want the game to focus on pvp

sturdy zenith
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Right, which is why it would be a great idea to just put a setting so server owners and players can do what they want with that. It's not like it alters the core gameplay, it helps players get to the last stage of life to fight against the big guys.

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Utahs in groups can survive on ai, but they should be able to choose whether they want to attack other players or not, not just force them either starve because no food, infight, or kill someone if the server is populated to the point of meeting other players.

cedar merlin
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Have they not already implemented ai control? There are servers that boast High AI right now.

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Thought i member reading about that feature too

thorny dragon
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that is a lie, and wasnt a thing in legacy either afaik

sturdy zenith
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Since not everyone wants to play the dinosaur game for PvP all the time. Sometimes people also just wanna run around as a dino, and the fact that I can't survive if I don't kill other players, it's not very fun if I die because the only other dino on the whole server is deino or something

sturdy zenith
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But at least in legacy ai spawned for you if you got to a point where you needed food

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Make the ai hard to catch, not hard to spawn.

cedar merlin
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what is a lie?

sturdy zenith
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The (high ai) servers

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There is no actual control over that. Unless there is, and it doesn't work at all.

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I know noobz on legacy has a glitch where when the player cap is reached it doesn't spawn ai anymore, and it doesn't happen with any other server I play on lol

cedar merlin
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hmm i killed two dryo in one of those servers

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and i almost never see dryo in most servers

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could be luck

sturdy zenith
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Wow, you've killed a whole 2 ai in those servers, when there should still be more than that if it's called high ai

cedar merlin
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it was two in one field lol

sturdy zenith
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Not (we actually have ai that spawn here sometimes)

cedar merlin
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one was smaller than the other

sturdy zenith
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That really seems like luck lol. I've been on high ai servers for weeks and I found a dryo ONCE

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And starved the rest of the time

cedar merlin
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it was nerf #1

sturdy zenith
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Rip

cedar merlin
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i could have just been super lucky

sturdy zenith
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Probably xD it can happen, I know they spawn I guess I'm super unlucky lol

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Or there's like two that spawn in the entire map

cedar merlin
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i think they will fix our ai problem

sturdy zenith
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Well, once more ai is implemented it will hopefully fix it.

cedar merlin
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member when they first dropped ai it was kind of challenging to catch

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but the numbers were good

sturdy zenith
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I'd actually find it interesting if you were able to play single player with a bunch of ai roaming around.

cedar merlin
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we had 2-4 weeks of decent ai so they know how to do it...

onyx bobcat
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there's tons of dryo AI rn tho

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like just sniff

sturdy zenith
cedar merlin
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uh oh here comes slimshady

sturdy zenith
onyx bobcat
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plus as a carno, depending on where you are on the map, you can risk going into the water to find fish AI

cedar merlin
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realslim is one of the pvp heavy players i was talking about

onyx bobcat
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it's a multiplayer game, you were never meant to be able to go off into a distant corner of the map and not interact with anyone

cedar merlin
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lol

sturdy zenith
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I mean I'm literally just gonna keep playing legacy until ai are better

cedar merlin
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i cant go back

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i just check in every once in a while to see if the game is playable yet

sturdy zenith
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Same

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I don't like having to solely rely on players existing

onyx bobcat
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i mean, have you played evrima recently tho? they increased the numbers of dryos in the last patch

sturdy zenith
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I don't play big dinos, so I don't care to rely on other players.

cedar merlin
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starved today as a utah did not see one dryo the whole time heard 1 or 2 calls but thats it

onyx bobcat
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as long as you keep moving and sniffing, it's not that hard to find them regularly every 20-30 min in my experience

sturdy zenith
onyx bobcat
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you cant rely on calls like in legacy

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f

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i was just saying, the recent patch may have solved the problem you're talking about

cedar merlin
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herbis in herds should be kinda noisy till they detect a predator...

onyx bobcat
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most dryos are solo tho

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and it depends on the herbi

sturdy zenith
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I mean I may go see what you're talking about when I'm able to get on again. The only fun time I've had is the server that gives out free grows so you don't have to rely on ai to not starve

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So maybe it's a little better

onyx bobcat
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i guarantee it's a lot better than it was before the most recent patch lol

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not quite on legacy levels, but im pretty sure the devs arent planning to go back to that kind of AI anyways

cedar merlin
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i walked around for a while and didnt find anything. the only food i had was a random dead fish on a shore

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then starved

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ai will get better but this style we have i think is what we are getting

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i have watched vids for teno and utah ai

onyx bobcat
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eh, ive heard that the AI spawns in in certain areas, then remains inactive until someone enters that area. you might not have loaded into another area

cedar merlin
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hmm

onyx bobcat
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plus again, sniffing is the best way to find AI now

cedar merlin
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i sniff constantly man

onyx bobcat
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obviously it'd be great if sniffing was better optimized since its laggy as hell in my experience but yeh

cedar merlin
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i use all senses to try and find prey

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i think they will def tweak sniff a bit

onyx bobcat
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do you ever just try eating fish?

cedar merlin
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that was all i ate

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i was looking for fish too i stayed along the river didnt see any of those either

onyx bobcat
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no ripples?

cedar merlin
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not one

onyx bobcat
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f

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idk then

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until diets are added in, you might just have to stick to player hotspots then

cedar merlin
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i went to clearings to check for dryo and walked along the river

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yeah im curious how diets will affect ai

onyx bobcat
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there's usually a tenonto herd near south swamp in my experience, and i've found dryos in the plains near central. ive also found them in the general area between the two rivers, but a bit south from the connecting part of the river

cedar merlin
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herbi diets is specific on the roadmap, but carni diets have boxes for paths so we will see.

sonic notch
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Ai spawning in areas carnivores can't reach without dying of thirst.. I found 4 Ai roaming around this area no raptor or carno could reach this area its no where near any drinkable water. Even as a ptera I was shocked at where a lot of the dryos were spawning still. This was taken today and yesterday for context.

unkempt ivy
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that really isnt near anything at all

sleek bone
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“As a carni who doesn't venture to shallows because I want to live” are you actively avoiding PvP or what? What does that mean?

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You lurkin Rumo

hollow zodiac
# sonic notch Ai spawning in areas carnivores can't reach without dying of thirst.. I found 4 ...

The best thing is, that the AI spawns are set randomly. On the western side of the map you can find some AI (sometimes even 2 of them close to each other) easier and quciker than (for example) on the South-east (it is not caused because of Player killing AI there, it is caused by strange AI spawns).

Ngl, but on the western side of the map you can find mostly whole... nothing. But AI spawns here for some reason. So, those spawns should be somehow reworked

stark path
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Agreed, Im glad that they have a method of spawning that tries to make people move around. But at the same time, its really not working out. From my experiences on a more populated server, they need to make it so that AI can and will spawn near players, especially the ones that are about to die of starvation for the 7th time because they haven't found one AI in the time they've been on the server(thats my experience btw)

silver raven
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AI isn't there just to feed you, you know

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You gotta search for it like you gotta search for players

stark path
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but its miles away

silver raven
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Not if you get close to it

stark path
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As a baby carno, I tried looking everywhere, and I never found AI

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i didn't stay in one spot

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nOt If yOu GeT cLoSe tO iT

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what?

silver raven
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It's common sense
Something can't be miles away if you get close to it

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Of course you often have to go a long way to find AI, it's so easy to catch currently that everytime someone gets one, they kill it

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So you're never gonna see one in places that have already been searched by another player

stark path
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but even when Im the only one in an entire field in south east for 30 minutes, I never found anything

silver raven
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From what I know there's some places where they spawn less often than in others

stark path
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So I guess thats great that you think the AI spawns are great, but I guess lets agree to disagree shall we?

silver raven
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I'm just saying AI should never spawn around you

stark path
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but if it never spawns around you....

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and it never spawns around anyone else....

silver raven
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It spawns somewhere, then you go hunt for it

stark path
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then you have this big problem

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where wwidespread players

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dont let the server spawn ai

silver raven
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Like the map isn't big enough so AI can't spawn out of sight from any player

stark path
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but theres a threshold dude

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you can't just say "Well it spawns somewhere" in a map that is unbelievably big, and just say that that one spawned ai is going to feed everyone including myself that is going for it

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im not saying everyone should get their own little ai spawning pet or anything, Im saying that there needs to be more, and maybe that out of range spawn threshold needs to be cut shorter

silver raven
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For now there's only dryo AI, you can't expect it to feed everyone
At some point you gotta do some pvp
Further in the future, when there's more AI species, why not, but it'd be weird seeing tons of dryo AI running around

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Because if you want to keep every carnivore on a server fed only with dryo AI, you're gonna need a heck ton of it

stark path
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when im grown i can pvp

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i cant pvp as a 30% carno

stark path
silver raven
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Then you shouldn't complain about not being able to feed off AI only, right ?

stark path
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but if Ai spawns "somewhere" in the big map, and Idk where this far away treasure resides, its a problem

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@silver raven Its not a problem of not being able to feed off only AI, its a problem of never being able to feed off of AI

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NEVER is the keyword

silver raven
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You're wrong then, because some people manage to live off AI without problem

stark path
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but im talking about a heavy populated server I played on

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?

silver raven
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That doesn't change anything

stark path
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but less ai spawn the more players there are

silver raven
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Nope, I'm pretty sure the player count doesn't change the AI count

stark path
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u sure about that?

silver raven
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pretty much

stark path
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I feel like that number of ai should change based on how many baby dinos there are? that doesn't sound terrible since it will force more grown players to fight

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and ai spawns are still hard to get as a baby

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its just a matter of how many fgs there are already on the server

silver raven
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I don't think AI should alter its spawnrate depending on the amount of babies on a server either

stark path
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so what do you think?

silver raven
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I think nothing would change for now, until we get more AI species

stark path
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so you're saying that with the more AI, we will technically have more AI spawns?

silver raven
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Seems logical

stark path
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or are you saying we will have less dryo, more of others

silver raven
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We might have the same number of dryos or a little less

stark path
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but, Im thinking of what is needed for the short terms, if dryos are the only ai on the server, shouldnt they do their job?

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for atleast some of the player, not all but some

silver raven
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I'm more concerned about the progress of the important game mechanics than fine-tuning the amount of AI

stark path
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I agree, but the number of ai spawning is a changable number

silver raven
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Evrima right now is for testing, and it's better to force players to go against each other, even when they're babies, in order to test things

stark path
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idk if you've ever coded, but changing values is different from writing code

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but im not fighting as a baby, im just dying

silver raven
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I know but if balancing is always a hassle, even if it's just changing a value, you gotta change it a lot of times (and release a patch every time) in order to have good results

silver raven
stark path
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comparing dryos to the fish, fish are everywhere, and dryos are nowhere

silver raven
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Yet people complain about the lack of fish

stark path
silver raven
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You know they've increased the amount of AI in the last update tho ?

stark path
silver raven
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They're changing values with every patch to see how it works out

stark path
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was it the May 28th one?

silver raven
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Update 3.5 was a few weeks ago

mossy yew
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Maybe part of the "lack" of AI is that we do not have a biome system yet? There are a decent amount of dryos, and fish, but it's not always obvious in what area they're going to be in, so it's not that strange if people don't find anything at times.

stark path
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that makes a lot of sense

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im not being sarcastic

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but aren't biomes update #6?

mossy yew
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Well, we're getting diets next update, that should work well enough. Where you find player dryos, you should probably also find AI dryos.

sonic notch
sonic notch
# silver raven You gotta search for it like you gotta search for players

this logic is the problem seriously, if AI isn't in areas most players can get to thats a problem. if your not an adult your not trying to rush into a fight with most players that are bigger and stronger than you are and much harder to take on your own. also this is why spawn camping is such a huge problem now. The diet system they are working on won't matter to meat eaters at all if AI spawns aren't fixed.

silver raven
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With the future map you're supposed to be able to go everywhere on the map

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And I didn't say AI should only spawn in remote areas
Just not right into your mouth

formal vine
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I have seen plenty of ai, not enough to stay alive off of (which is probably a good thing) but enough to save me multiple times

glad iron
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how long after server reset does AI spawn again?

pine venture
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yah we gotta get good because right now, all land AIs are Dryos but that population is gonna get thinner and thinner because there will be more types of land AIs like utahs and rex and those are not gonna be easy to take down. If you can't survive now, tough luck for later.

glad iron
pine venture
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because the servers can only handle so many AIs and there will be many kinds of AIs in the future. So they'll have to devide the AI population between the species. especially to make a proper ecosystem.

olive sluice
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People aren't having a problem with catching them rly, its finding them. Cause they basically don't exist
The spawn points make no sense

Besides, if you want a good ecosystem you'd want majority ai to be herbs anyway

humble root
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guys, 90% of the time i play solo, it would be nice to have more ai, i rarely see any.

humble root
silver raven
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It was a player

opal vigil
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Am I the only one to be abble to grow a carno on Ai or? ... because I can find them. Ok their spawn is not persistent but if you don't find any at one place go to the closest and nearest one. As somebody that knew where to find them I can tell that they did add some spawn closest to water. If you just stick to South spawn and center ofc you'll never find them. Walk into the places away from water, try to hear and scent them. They are here. They are not always noisy but they are here.

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By the way you can grow at a point but not live on that and that is normal it is a pvp game after all.

humble root
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so a player respawns in the same spot every 10-15 mins after i kill it? theres no spawn point there

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grew my carno to 100 off of hypsis

silver raven
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There is now spawn point for carnos
But there is probably one for hypsis

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And I'm 100% sure there is no hypsi AI

humble root
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may wanna relook into that cuz i grew up eating them for 2 hours lol

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unless it was 3 of them literally trolling me for 2 hours

silver raven
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It was most probably 3 of them trolling you for 2 hours

warped lake
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honestly the main issue is still not even how many AI its how the ai is actually placed around the map and what is going on

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75-80% of the ai is just fish so even if u increase ai it wont help too much it does but not as much as it could

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the fish spawns r clumped together in specific spots instead of being spread out across the map

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this is why swamps r so damn empty

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ive seen almost 9-11 elite fish in one spot by a waterfall

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that shouldnt be happening

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they need to arrange AI better and actually place them properly instead of having 8-2 ratio of fish to dryo and then make the fish spawns in one place

pine venture
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no land AI except dryo right now

austere fog
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And I'd honestly prefer there to be no Dinosaur AI at all.

warped lake
austere fog
warped lake
# austere fog Git gud

Honestly just removing AI wouldn't make the game better, I know you PVP lovers want that kind of experience but there are ways to get your experience while also keeping AI in the game

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DM gamemode would be nice though, it could be used to sharpen PVP skills but this isn't a topic for AI feedback

austere fog
# warped lake Honestly just removing AI wouldn't make the game better, I know you PVP lovers w...

It is a topic for AI feedback. AI dinosaurs discourage players to play Dinosaur roles that are AI dominated, while simultaneously making it less necessary or even unnecessary for there to be Herbivore players in the first place. In my opinion, AI should focus on all other types of animals, like Fish, amphibians, the tiniest of lizards and other critters, while Dinosaurs remain the domain of players. And I'd distinctly prefer dying to Herbivore megaherds during an actual hunt over the current Carnivore battle royale. The question how AI should be implemented is dinstinctly a topic for AI feedback.

warped lake
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Thing is, people play Carnis because Carnis are cool to play as, furthermore there's no real exciting gameplay for herbies as of now, nor any interesting herbis to play as. I'm sure AI will be improved as the game goes further into development where they will be extremely hard to catch and I'm looking forward to that experience. I like to explore the map and seeing the map be "alive", and AI aims to fill that role. If I see a player and I'm starving I'll attack ofcourse, so I don't really see AI as food. I just wanna interact with it, because it's there for you to interact with it. I do see your point though

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Why though?

austere fog
warped lake
austere fog
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I DM'd you.

warped lake
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Gave my feedback in the dms

upbeat pollen
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I'm looking forward to bruiser teno AI. I like how relentless they seemed to be in Amarok's stream.

opal vigil
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For me what I expect is that diversified ai will filing the map maybe make people move more around and knowing there is carnivorous ai later (utahs or rex) bush afk herbi growing will maybe be finally impossible?

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so at least less boring because you'll have to fear for your life even in a corner of the map

random bridge
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eryops ai. discuss

silver raven
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I don't see the appeal

random bridge
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how dare u

silver raven
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Well give me one actual good reason for it to be worked on instead of another playable

random bridge
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no

silver raven
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So much for the discussion

random bridge
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no

warped lake
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WHEEZE

sleek bone
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Eryops looks like free food

warped lake
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In my opinion if theres ways to defend itself, why not?

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Unless

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They made a better alternative that's also a playable

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Otherwise I don't really see a point

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I'm pretty sure we're getting giant frogs as it is

sleek bone
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Eryops looks like he might be able to mangle a utah if he gets some good hits in but he only has one offensive tool and looks soft bodied and slow, larger predators would steamroll if easily for a free snack

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Frogs can at least move in quick bursts and arent as big as ery so they arent as reliable as an easy food source

upbeat pollen
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You could theoretically make Eryops like a cane toad and if you eat it you hallucinate, but do get some food.

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lmao, nah. That's dumb.

opal vigil
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AI should not spawn in popular places, it would make people staying into the same spot even worst.

silver raven
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AI should just not spawn around players. This literally goes against the "go find AI" stuff and would be legacy all over again

warped lake
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I however do agree for the habitat spawns though. When we get more AI I'd like to go where AI is supposed to be, like places a Dryo would go and hunt dryos around that area

silver raven
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Well that yes
But the rest of the suggestion is meh

olive sluice
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LOL u guys are missing the point

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The 'go out and find them' still remains
without wasting server space

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thats the point of having them spawn only in specific areas
so they only spawn around you if you're in the right area

Its like an upgraded version of the active and stasis AI - but it actually makes sense. Its just that when you're out of that range they actually just straight up don't exist. rather than being in 'stasis'

And when I say around, I dont mean right next you.

warped lake
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Okay nvm you got a yes after I saw the "edit"

opal vigil
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We will probably not see this before a good time but do you think it would be interested that rex ai spawn were people tend to stay a lot. Like 10 people staying at the same place for too long, Boom t rex snifing for food, run for your life! ?

silver raven
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No

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That's an unfair way of ruining the life of people who just happened to trigger the AI, whatever the reason

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Plus Rex AI probably won't be able to come into a herd and kill everyone

warped lake
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The rex would probably be annihilated by a "ok coordinated" group of Carnis

opal vigil
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Was only thinking off that to make overpacking or mixpacking a little bit harder to be ingame but maybe this thought is a bad one

warped lake
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@mild oak I disagree with you , however I havent played the 3.5 update yet due to life. Pre 3.5 AI was a bork to find and you were lucky if you saw one, let alone caught one

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I also don't think a Dryo would be enough to sustain a full grown Carno, but if that is the case I stand corrected

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Overall like I mentioned previously x amount of times, I just want more AI to interact with it

upbeat pollen
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Full grown carno on low pop servers, even if you eat 3-4 AI Dryo, barely puts a dent in their hunger by the time you caught them all.

opal vigil
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I don't think even if it is doable, to feed only on dryo ai as a long therm solution but more like a help to not starve to death.

upbeat pollen
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Once we get the Teno and Utah AI I feel a lot of the issues so many seem to have are going to subside. At least, I'm hoping. I did teach myself to fish as a Carno last update...

warped lake
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I hope we get more AI soon

upbeat pollen
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I have a strong suspicion that they'll come with update 4.

warped lake
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I thought we getting them in Update 3.5