balance-feedback-discussion

[river kite]

honestly something might be wrong with my game, the rare times i do play with someone our audio is desynced as hell too. theyll hear stuff that just isnt playing for me

ive tried uninstalling n reinstalling/validating to fix it but aint worked

like we'll be passing by 3 boars and theyll always hear it before me, and i wont hear it till im ontop of it.

or theyll hear distant dino calls while i never hear them. its odd

[twilit seal]

weird

@river kite btw doesnt rex regen trot stam slower than steg rn, cant you manage stam and get away as steg if you react fast enough

[river kite]

i dunno, i havent tried managing stam above 60 to get away. ive only spent all of my stam and logged.

on oasis i chased glazed through a forest and caught up to them before they could even start logging lmao

we can try it later if you want

soon as rex gets ur tracks ur cooked tho

[twilit seal]

sure but i cant promise when

[river kite]

rex trots stego down cus of how the tracking system works really

tracking system favors dinos who can go fast, the slower ones leave tracks with less space between them making it easier

[prisma surge]

Ive tracked and trotted down allos who have tried to get away. Rex is that ambush and then slow pursuit kind of hunter with the tracking system

[twilit seal]

I have decided to turn off my pc for today fyi

[river kite]

ur good, prob better to just wait till a balance patch anyway

[twilit seal]

if you ever grow steg on pandora you can join me lol i have room now

Watch the fight

[steep gazelle]

Faster, Stronger and Heavier... What a good balance 🔥🔥

[twilit seal]

We couldve ran we were too small

And had just fought a solo rex

8 vs 12.3 tons

One was smaller tho i could stun him

[faint robin]

Tbh stegos in the vid did really good tho

Even through all the misses+friendly fire

[twilit seal]

Yeah my friend is a beginner and he just got perma pinned

Aside from my one accidental swing instead of running swipe and one that got cancelled by my friend I hit all the running swings which still do 1900 damage at that size

And the first was a headshot too

[faint robin]

Yeah rexes weren't really going after u after 1st steg died

[twilit seal]

I was unsure if it was cuz of the bleed, and I also couldnt decide if I wanted to just run to try to make them stand or just log, but i think it was the right decision as I was one hit/pin away from dying and they wouldve say afterwards anyway

[brave condor]

#balance-feedback message

u just gave me a really good idea that i think can reconcile the people wanting pin removed completely and the people that want it to stay. make it to where pin only works AS a finishing move by allowing it activate once an opponent gets low in either health or maybe stam?

but only for rex, allo, omni. make it to when your opponent is physically weakened through health and stam then you can pin. troo isnt in this convo

but honestly, i still think pin should just have counterplay.

[river kite]

honestly dont even know if those running ps were doing dmg to that big one pinning lol. they never made a dmg noise

also i got a trike on pandora, im just waiting for a balance patch to hit to log onto it again lol. not that id win... against 2 rexs anyways

[twilit seal]

Sounds are bugged they were hitting

Aside from the one that got cancelled by the friendly fire

[twilit seal]

You can store it

Saves primes too

[river kite]

i can? its at like 10.1 tons i think

[twilit seal]

Uhh im not sure

You have to check yourself or ask

[river kite]

holy crap pandora has a prime check

based on the req's i should be able to

ill prob get on later and goof around as a stego. see what murders me lol

[twilit seal]

Can you even store before 100%? Cuz some servers allow that between 75-100

[river kite]

dunno, i thought about it and decided against it anyways. i dont really see myself having fun getting 4% food per bush, which is why i havent bothered to play(ignoring rex), so ill likely not subject myself to such slog gameplay for now

hopefully they fix the herb food situation soon

[elfin night]

#balance-feedback message @tepid reef you weren’t complaining when Omni was doing it as far as I am concerned

[thin mantle]

First of all, Omni pounce is super scuffed and not nearly as interactive as it should be to justify how powerful it can be when it works.
Second, the difference in power level between an Omni and an Allo having functionally the exact same ability is so immense that it wouldn’t even be a contradiction to believe Omni pounce is fine whereas allos isn’t, because Allo has the benefits of tankiness and raw power Omni doesn’t, that make its pounce a substantially larger problem

[twilit seal]

@thorn mountain ill be down to get on in a couple hours if youll be available, im curious how the stun thing works and if itll be usable in a combat scenario

[thorn mountain]

ok

I dont know if it works prime vs prime. But it does with adults

[twilit seal]

does it involve hold rmb at all?

[thorn mountain]

you may actually know it

[twilit seal]

Like do you knock the steg down and just chain it with pin

[thorn mountain]

maybe maybe you do

[twilit seal]

Cuz you cant knock down prime steg

[thorn mountain]

yea I know that

Ithats like the one issue with it

[twilit seal]

I mean, I was afraid it would involve headbutt

Cuz thats like such a death sentence against a steg that can stun you

Just for the sake of you doing it I can go a smaller steg too after prime fights

[thorn mountain]

im still down to fight even if I dont do that

[twilit seal]

You wont be asleep in like 2-3 hours I hope? Cuz I have classes

[thorn mountain]

I wont

[twilit seal]

Neat

The thing is you might suffer from the same issue poa suffered

On oasis ill have better ping

Youre australian I assume or somewhere from that part of the world? It might be laggy, idm joining another server tho if you prefer that

[thorn mountain]

I play with EU and US ping

its annoying but im fine with it

ill play the rex since I dunno, I dont even main the thing

[twilit seal]

Rex is an easy playable, I just wanted to fight to show that steg can win pretty effectively, I mean it was Duck that wanted it first then he pinged you lol

[thorn mountain]

hes out

yea, rex is kinda dumb easy to play

I just find it funny when people call themselves "number one rex" and all they do is twirl around crush cancel and bite

[twilit seal]

I mean steg is the only skill matchup rex has

[thorn mountain]

yea

[twilit seal]

Unless youre a bot survival rex that doesnt spam the crush, and uses alt bites and rmb

[thorn mountain]

HEY i play survival

but I do also pvp from time to time

[twilit seal]

Rex v rex is buggy as hell with attacks getting bugged and no fix without sitting down, and trike just gets rolled unless its a god trike that can do the spar/non spar movement flawlessly

[thorn mountain]

do you know how to kill raptors and allos and troodons off dismount as rex?

[twilit seal]

I play survival too mainly lol I just practice when I want to get better at a dino

Im not losing hours of progress cuz I dont know some stuff

[twilit seal]

I genuinely never fought pouncers as rex aside from allo, I assume its with alt predictions?

[thorn mountain]

nah

you remember how people would bite raptors as a cerato off dismount where you spin around and when they jump you run and bite?

[twilit seal]

The only matchup I practiced as rex are apex fights cuz they are like the only real threat

[twilit seal]

Im not sure

[thorn mountain]

damn

[twilit seal]

I just know spinning bugs pounce a lot

And they get stuck and fall

[thorn mountain]

nono not like that LOL

[twilit seal]

I think i know what you mean, i mean on spiro you could do that as teno or stego and always hit omnis on dismount

[thorn mountain]

yea

ill just show you when you get on

[twilit seal]

Kk, I mean im genuinely not worried about pouncers at all i would just use water or rocks i know that work if i had to fight in survival

But anything helps

Ill ping you when im able to get on

[twilit seal]

@thorn mountain I can get on in a bit

Sorry it took longer lol

[thorn mountain]

npnp take your time mate

[twilit seal]

kk which server?

[thorn mountain]

whatever you would like

[twilit seal]

oasis is my go to unless you have one

[thorn mountain]

thats fine 🙂

[twilit seal]

you can get admin instantly

[thorn mountain]

im not bothered, you can grow me though lol

[twilit seal]

i cant make you prime tho

[thorn mountain]

you can

/elder frolo prime is the thing you put in

[twilit seal]

alright

[thorn mountain]

you do gotta set me to 88 though but thats easy

[twilit seal]

yeah ik, i just didnt know how to make you prime

lemme know when youre in

[thorn mountain]

alr

in @twilit seal

HOLY

[twilit seal]

my bad lol

[thorn mountain]

nah nah alg lmao

[twilit seal]

Now you can tell a stego is indeed not rex food

[thorn mountain]

yes

[tepid reef]

yeah because omni is small and can only pin small things, where allo is huge and can pin ceras and carnos and things that actually take a good amount of time to grow. as for the pounce yes omni should have a pounce, it isnt heavy but it is nimble so it fits into its play style well. not for allo though.

[twilit seal]

I mean omni unlike rex or allo can pin 100% of its own weight, a prime omni can pin 660, which is a pretty considerable size, like rex or allo that size cant pin that omni but omni can pin them

[dusky surge]

honestly i'm fine with allo's pin, but its grapple is disgusting and genuinely is what makes the animal so damn oppressive

i think a lot of people lump grapple in with pin tho so it's hard to actually tell what people have a problem with

allo's pin range is small, the smallest of any pinner in the game

[tepid reef]

yeah i forgot about the grapple but i still think getting omni pinned as something 3x bigger than one is more easily avoidable the an allo coming out of no where and holding rmb

[twilit seal]

Yeah and I mean pounce itself is actually pretty weak alone

Like it does negligible damage and bleed rn, its just the safety it provides

[twilit seal]

I meant just solo pin, like it can pin a lot of animals that have spent a decent time growing with no counterplay, like sub mid tiers, 40% rex or allo etc

[tepid reef]

pounce is not weak, you cant knock them off with tree/rock and because of that they will just stay latched for like a whole minute with nothing you can do but watch your health slowly decline until you die

[twilit seal]

Bucking is buffed a lot rn, you can use water and most rocks reliably

[tepid reef]

bucking didnt work for me as a baby rex getting latched on by a baby allo

[twilit seal]

The controls can bug, you have to watch your bucking animation

Like you have to hold E and it now uses 0 stam actually

But ofc, the trees are supposed to work

Imagine if trees worked too, pounce on allo would pretty much useless, only good for grappling

[tepid reef]

allo shouldnt even have pounce

it looks dumb, is buggy, and really annoying and cheesy

[twilit seal]

Yeah I agree but with its current agility i dont blame people that use it as much as before

Claw bleed is hella nerfed too its not like ht

I find it funny people still say stuff like “3 claws bleed out maia trust”

[tepid reef]

i think they should replace grapple with something more creative and fun

like maybe another thing with the claws

[dusky surge]

i dont think that's going to happen given allo has always been advertised as a grappler/pouncer lol

also pounce is just... really good for big game hunting in general, it's why all three of the big game hunters have it

[elfin night]

Exactly, it is bad solely because it can pin your mains

Something taking less time doesn’t make it so that killing it in a terrible way is acceptable

If I die unfairly to 5 Omni pins then I’ve wasted way more than a cera dying to an allo pin

And you have ways to avoid that situation in the first place

Like “don’t exist near omnis allos bro”

[tepid reef]

alright fine guys, you win

[indigo rain]

I can see the allo "pounce" being turned into a grab to slow prey down and hold it still for your allies to get claw swipes in on tbh. Would be cooler as more of a utility while the claw swipe is its best attack. Also the machine gun bites is just wild

[tepid reef]

i agree

also i dont main cera or carno

[timber tusk]

#balance-feedback message

im not surprised by all the ❌’s, but I am confused by why? Do other players just really enjoy Herbivore PVP? When I asked what I should’ve done in general, a Stego charged by a Trike, ALL the responses I got basically said that Trike basically one-shots Stego and I was lucky to survive at all. That doesn’t sound like fun PVP to me? I know that turning off damage between herbivores would be an extreme response to a situation like this, but genuinely, I want to know why people are opposed to it. WHY would that be bad to do? I’m sure there is a downside, I just don’t know what it is…
Please, players who fight more than me, teach me why.

[golden coral]

Can't you avoid trike rather well as stego most of the time, easier than you can avoid rex at least? As for herbi PvP in general, I think most people find it reasonable that you can beat up the other guy if you don't want them around and assuming you can catch them. Be it because you just don't want company, or because you want or need the food and can't have someone else eat it, or whatever other case it may be. Herbis shouldn't neccesarily be getting along in the game, especially not if they're both the same size, and even worse if they're both large, due to lack of resources. Or if you're nesting and don't want to risk someone killing your offspring for example. If you're a stego, a trike is not a friendly, it's just a slightly less likely to try and kill you apex than rex, since it doesn't actually eat you, just the food you also eat.

[elder fox]

OMNI IS BROKEN ON BLEED ITS SO LOW RN

[viscid mica]

Less that more your specific suggestion is not a good fix the second one is a lot better but you put it in as a whole and didn’t give options to pick numbers otherwise I’d have clicked 2

[crystal wharf]

^^^

[twilit seal]

Because people want freedom, there is fun in fighting herbivores as herbi, less herbis other than you=more carnis will fight you as well, so thats like 2x more combat=2x more fun, plus large herbis do vacuum entire zones alone, you get to keep the food all to yourself

[crystal stream]

Idk man I kinda like allo pounce if they would rework it into more of a latch and not being rlly off the ground would be nice but as someone who plays dibble but also like playing solo allo I think it’s fine

Hate pin tho

[bitter iris]

What is this replying too

[crystal stream]

Jst saying no reply

[bitter iris]

Ah alright

Ya I think a latch would be nice

[twilit haven]

I am sorry if this was posted somewhere I am a little behind on updates with the Isle, I was wondering what are the actual weaknesses/downsides of rex right now is it just growing up to adulthood?

[bitter iris]

It’s pretty weak to bleed and super frail in its juvi stage but other than that it’s op

[twilit haven]

Okay thanks for the response I guess having bleed to use against them is better than nothing right now

[bitter iris]

Yep just work on dodging there crushes then retaliating

[twilit haven]

I am also kind of avoiding official servers atm since they are abusing the lack of any limit to their packs, I had a friend who was prime stego, I was frail adult stego and we held our own against 2 rexes but then next night I got pinned by a prime rex and just couldn't escape maybe I didn't hold buck long enough but it made me sad still xD

sry there were 3 rexes in that second encounter

[bitter iris]

Ya I only try to play mettahs den

[twilit haven]

mettahs den? never heard of it Ill check it out tn gonna take a break from playing hypsi on dino den and spitting on rexes that pass by

[bitter iris]

Only rules are no mix packing or over packing and 175 player server. Nice and simple

[twilit haven]

yeah that works Ill give it a shot thanks for the tip !

[bitter iris]

Ya no problem

#balance-feedback message to add on to my suggestions how would people feel if while latched it causes the opponent to loose blood faster (like sprinting not adding more bleed to stack up) this would allow solo allos to use the attack to more effectively bleed out the opponent.

[spare perch]

#balance-feedback message it's so people can't just run in circles around rex. stay around long enough, rex will catch you. it forces players to keep moving. or avoid rex in general. the amount of players that are testing these waters is like almost every interaction.

[bitter iris]

Literally did that today and got away with it

[spare perch]

after all. if you see a rex. just run away. it's simple as that. unless you're trike. you're cooked.

[bitter iris]

Well I see so many so I have to mess around with some of them

[spare perch]

always mess around. it's fun that way.

[timber tusk]

Yeah, I think pinning is the real problem. If six Raptors dog pile you, it feels inevitable, but when just one other player can basically put you in an inescapable headlock that you can’t do any damage back during, it feels bad. And Allo is just big enough to do that to most of the roster.
I think it’d feel better if they replaced the Pin with a knockdown instead. Allo could still latch onto bigger things, like Rex and eventually sauropods, but it would treat smaller prey like it was an oversized Carno instead of just pinning everyone it can catch. Knockdown followed by a claw swipe would probably still one-shot a Dryo, but I’d feel better about it as that Dryo.

[deft otter]

@timber tusk I like your Omnivore idea but I'd go in a different direction. I suggest that the only plant Herrera can eat is some sort of seaweed found at the bottom of very deep lakes. A high risk food source that makes use of Herrera's newly improved diving. Basically a somewhat reversed Beipi.

But to be honest I'd save unique abllities and traits like that for another playable. Herrera already has enough going for it.

[winged prism]

@solemn thunder nice joke

[bitter iris]

Fr he does need a buff though

I would love to see more fracture resistant new head crush interaction with Rex and more agility. I really won’t apex fights to last longer

[winged prism]

rex needs agility nerf and trike needs that the can't be leg and body fractured from his head what is a shield

[bitter iris]

True

[winged prism]

trike should be easyer to fight with and rex harder so rex can kill anything but hard to master rn its just for new players u click you got food also to food drain is so slow on him

[bitter iris]

Yep

[bitter iris]

Make trike v Rex favored in trike so Rex has to ambush to win as a solo and 2 v 1 a good trike should be able to either kill 1 and die or scare them away

[winged prism]

if the players are bad its already possible but only against bad players (i was once 60% trike 1v 5 2 adult rexes 2 prime allos and a 60%trike rexes tryd to face tank me so they both ran killed 1 allo other ran after loseing all stam and trike finished me off)

[bitter iris]

Ya that’s the mix packer experience right there

[winged prism]

btw i only fought them cuz i thought they are going after the trike (open field to)

[scenic crystal]

Trike and stego are now rex's whipping boys

Rex shouldn't be so agile and in 99% of cases the rex breaks through the trike's defenses and bites it and crushes it to the ground

[solemn thunder]

i was not joking, i think triceratops needs a big buff as right now its just a free snack for rex

[tranquil karma]

Make something about rex bone break. Got bone break first crush in defense stance near the head against one full grown rex as a prime elder 11T trike with bone break mutation that is not normal

[bitter iris]

@polar spade pt have fishing they dont need it

[steep otter]

You are 100% right

[solemn thunder]

i know

i love triceratops

[bitter iris]

He needs a buff and I’m okay if it’s that big just damage is boring I don’t want apex fights to last 2 seconds

[solemn thunder]

realistically speaking

trike should win a 1v1 most of the time

we have direct evidence of trikes surviving rex attacks

[scenic crystal]

• how fast does the rex turn in evrim compared to lagacy and the trike is like a sack of potatoes that barely moves

[scenic crystal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pKjIEGlyMA

[solemn thunder]

yeah idk what they were smoking when they made rex that agile

its literally cerato 10x

[bitter iris]

I agree but maybe a slight buff to damage, and big buffs to agility and bone break. Maybe even a rework to defense stance

[solemn thunder]

trike should 100% be able to break rexes body

like how the hell does it not

with those big ahh horns on its head

[steep otter]

The face hits breaking trike needs fixing + QOL changes for trike, like stun on its alts

[solemn thunder]

absolutely agree

[scenic crystal]

Or change the pin which you can use once and have time until the next pin rather than keep spamming this one

[steep otter]

The face hits is a know bug that hypno said will be fixed

[bitter iris]

I would be fine with that too

[steep otter]

Also crush should not stun trike from the front

Leg broken trike is also 100% dead even if rex has like 2% hp left

[bitter iris]

That’s what they are working on

[solemn thunder]

we even have evidence of triceratops horns being broken by other trikes

crush should cost at least 10% stamina

considering how much stamina rex has, and the fact that it regens stamina TWICE AS FAST as anything else when its sitting is ridiculous

[scenic crystal]

The worst thing is that when you play with a trike or stego, you die in five seconds, maybe ten, and if there are two rex, you die, problem pin

And I'm always unlucky because I meet a rex in the forest several times.

[scenic crystal]

I'm afraid that if they don't fix it, when Anky comes out it will be pin=dead nonsense

[winged prism]

You know that trike can already 1 shot stego

[solemn thunder]

it cant

a good stego can bleed out a trike

and stego is faster than trike

why the hell would they even wanna fight

[slim dragon]

With double damage trike could oneshot stego on a body hit with trash lol

[frosty heron]

Theres a lot of missinformation with Trike currently

Due to how broken the game interactions are , theres a chance Trike can win against Rex , tailriding is only an option when the game doesnt desync Trikes positioning

Also Trike doesnt get broken in 2 crushes lol

While Rex is winning and thats true is not a full 10-0 "Trike cant do anything"

Outta 10 fights , I lost 3 due to game bugs/glitches/hitboxes that shouldnt be there

So before making balance changes id rather fix all those issues first

[manic pagoda]

Yeah, balance is impossible while those are still around. I run with very good omnis, and if a mid-sized or larger playable can make the fight last long enough, hitbox issues and glitches will eventually kill more of the pack than anything the target does deliberately.

[faint robin]

2 crushes and 2 bites, also trike v rex is clearly massively rex favoured

[frosty heron]

Thats absolute fake news as yesterday I was doing some 1v1 with a Trike and to break it I had to crush bite combo him 4 times

Also is not Massively favoured , because as I said bugs can still make Rex lose even on proper advantage conditions , all it takes is desync

Clear example of desync situation , this Trike told me he was facing me , clearly in this clip he was facing away

[faint robin]

Its clearly 3 raw crushes so it's not. And yeah it is massively favoured, relying on desync to win is crazy...stop talking about it here lol

If you rely on desync to win - it clearly says youre lacking

(As a playable)

Youre basically saying trike v rex is good because trike can kill rex w desync💀

[scenic crystal]

Trike loses to Rex. Some YouTuber gathered information and found that 88% of Trike loses to Rex. But don't take this for granted.

And you can see when I play that the rex doesn't have an opponent on his level, it was supposed to be a trike. The trike disappears in a matter of moments in an open field or forest. And if there are two rexes, the GG makes a sandwich out of you, just like with the stego.

I saw a dozen or so bodies on the west rail access stego adults teno etc. I wonder who killed them big walking rex xdd

[frosty heron]

First of all . I never said is trike is good because "desync" and second , I can talk whatever I want to talk if its related to balance

I just disproving your point that Trike has 0 chance and always loses

Also with Osteoclerosis mutation is 4 crush combos , I got a video of it

[faint robin]

Desync is not related to balance

[frosty heron]

It is when I lose fights I shouldnt lose due to it

In fact I can tell that almost half of my deaths on combat are caused by some short of bug

[steep gazelle]

Desync is a issue, but it's a separate issue

[faint robin]

Desync is an overall issue related to all playables, its not exclusively rex v trike issue

[frosty heron]

What about not being able to attack after spar or the crash that happens when a trike engages on the Rex side? Nobody talks about that

And its Rex vs Trike exclusive

[faint robin]

Trike also can't get out of spar, basically both players loose ability to fight, yeah ik that

[frosty heron]

Someone should try to test Sub Rex fights , thats an example of what would happen if Rex gets nerfed agility since the Sub has worse turning than the adult

also worse fracture

[crystal stream]

How abt they jst nerf the playable because it’s obviously op

[frosty heron]

How about testing the stuff before talking about being OP , bet all the people complaining about it never played Rex

Stego was OP on Spiro and people never was so loud about it

[crystal stream]

I’ve played both Rex and trike and if you dedaz think Rex isn’t broken ur insane

[frosty heron]

Calling me insane for testing and proving stuff is lowkey the most funny stuff ive seen in this Discord

[crystal stream]

What tests is bro running bc in most matchups between Rex v trike trikes losing

No question

[frosty heron]

So Rex wins against Trike and your take is that Rex is OP and not Trike is lacking

[thorn mountain]

that a issue with sparring sadly, hope it gets fixed

and IK hes leg broken so hes not in spar but

[frosty heron]

Sure many people is playing the playable the wrong way , that doesnt mean is OP , needs fixing , I do find OP other stuff in the game

[crystal stream]

Yes because Rex dookies on many other playables like stego and with a broken ambush speed can run thing it shouldn’t be down both trike and stego are already very strong so they don’t need a buff just Rex is to strong

[frosty heron]

Still sparring is really really broken , one of the parts will get sometimes stuck and cannot move or attack , making that fights a russian roulette

[crystal stream]

Also why the hell would they get rid of trikes standing flip attack

[thorn mountain]

yea

[crystal stream]

That with Just dumb

[frosty heron]

They can just turn its speed on elder not get any gains , and reduce the ambush to 10/5 or make it usable only on full stamina like someone suggested , Rex winning against other playables I find it pretty normal , is still the heaviest land predator of the roster

Besides the Trike situation

That doesnt make it OP imo , just Trike needs some changes

[crystal stream]

9.5 ton animal being able to turn as fast as it does is dumb

Trike is fine

[frosty heron]

Test Sub Rex then , thats why I mentioned it

[crystal stream]

Besides missing its flip attack

[frosty heron]

Do it , you will never be able to win against something smaller than you which is pretty dumb too

[crystal stream]

Why would I need to test subrex

Where talking about adult Rex here

[frosty heron]

Because has less agility than the adult

[crystal stream]

That’s sub not fg

[frosty heron]

Bro you have the exact same kit , just less agility

[crystal stream]

Plus it should have more then adult not less imo

[frosty heron]

Proving that if you nerf current Rex agility it will be absolute trash as hunter

[crystal stream]

So you want to keep it as the 9.5 ton animal being able to tail ride an animal of similar size

[frosty heron]

I want to keep Rex agility for the whole roster and buff Trike

[crystal stream]

The rest of the roster already struggles with a power discrepancy all that’s gonna do is make it worse

Btw if you ever testing sub Rex v dib you will know its not that hard for Rex

[frosty heron]

So pretty much youre asking to Rex to lose not only to Trike on most scenarios , but also Stego

[frosty heron]

Dibble doesnt have the damage of Trike , its years away from that

[crystal stream]

Rex also has a lot more health while fully grown

[frosty heron]

?

[crystal stream]

Rex shouldn’t be winning 88% of the time

That’s what I’m asking

[frosty heron]

I dont get what health youre talking about , Rex vs Dibble or Trike

[crystal stream]

Bro

A sub Rex v dibble

A fg Rex v trike

[frosty heron]

You said while fully grown lol

[crystal stream]

Idk what the confusion is

[frosty heron]

And also thats missinformation , FG Rex and Trike have the same health

[crystal stream]

Bro what are you talking about

Dude has only played Rex and is trying every-trick in the book to make sure his favorite playable doesn’t get nerfed as it should

[frosty heron]

Oh sure I do only play Rex , youre ragebaiting at this point my dude

I probably played all the playables way more hours than you 😄

[crystal stream]

Maybe ur more unemployed who knows point is no sane person thinks Rex is fair

Especially for how fast it is

[frosty heron]

Unemployed? Thats funny

[crystal stream]

Ur faster then trike so having a 88% win rate is diabolical

[dusky surge]

you could always avoid stego no matter what animal you were

same doesn't apply to rex

(also stego on Spiro is hardly close to how strong Rex is lmao)

[frosty heron]

So I do research stuff on the game and im "unemployed" all of the sudden lol

[frosty heron]

Stego was back then the ultimate griefing tool , you can avoid Stego but it was used to bodycamp and fish Deinos on land and theres really nothing you could do about it

Also besides Trike currently all the playables can run away from Rex if you dont get ambushed

[dusky surge]

so given that rex is better in every way, surely then you'd concede that rex is OP

no powerswing, no tact, completely defenceless when out of stamina, 5% cost on its swing

meanwhile rex now has crush that can instantly kill anything half its weight (so already insanely higher kill potential than Spiro stego ever had), murdersprint, knockdown/stun (stego didn't have any CC in Spiro), fracture (stego didn't have that), an INFINITELY better and stronger growth curve, etc

the fact people even call spiro stego "strong" when the majority of carnivores could reliably kill it if played competently (and tenonto DESTROYED it if played well) while defending rex of all things is insane

nuclear bomb vs coughing baby

[frosty heron]

How is the growth curve stronger if you gain like 1 ton is matter of minutes with Stego?

[dusky surge]

because rex is consistently viable throughout its growth, either being fast, well-rounded or a brutal powerhouse depending on growth stage

stego is just "stego but weaker" until it hits adult

[frosty heron]

People overly used that dumb excuse that Stego was too big for the roster , also Stegos losing to anything in Spiro was real skill issue lol

[dusky surge]

oh not even mentioning stego having a special weakness to headshots which made it vulnerable

rex don't got that

stego had far less going for it, comparing it to current rex really isn't anything besides showing just how far rex destroys that conception of "OP"

[frosty heron]

The first 2 hours of Rex is the most pathetic playable being slower than anything but Juvi troodon and still small that youre forced to scavenge and not get found in the process , it only has a big stomach on its favour

[dusky surge]

the starting point of rex is quite literally the only part it is difficult and vulnerable, which i mean, thank god that exists lmao

[vale brook]

even then i wouldnt say difficult, only vunerable lol

[frosty heron]

And also the gap between 6 tons to 9 is also bad , you cannot run away or fight from bigger Rexes and not even run away from Stegos your size or bigger due to the stamina difference

[dusky surge]

oh yea right rexes 2 hour stomach, the slowest most generous hunger drain in the game how could i forget

[frosty heron]

8 tons Rex might be the worst part

As you get same speed as Adults and primes, still same stamina

[dusky surge]

i literally walked away from my computer for over an hour to do a job and came back and my growing, "vulnerable" rex was... perfectly fine

incredible stuff really, at no point am i ever presented with real hardship

because not only is its hunger exceptionally long SO IS IT'S THIRST

[frosty heron]

I dont find anything wrong with it lol

[dusky surge]

it has no resource which provides basically any pressure until you reach a point where it's very big so some foods don't feed that much but even THEN you can subsist ENTIRELY off turtles and vibe

[dusky surge]

i'm not surprised lmao

[frosty heron]

You literally asking for being worse on combat but also making it get hungry faster so its forced to hunt more oftenly

Pretty much yall just want Rex to not exist in the servers

[dusky surge]

generous diet, slowest food drain (SLOWER THAN THE DAMN GATOR), slowest water drain

the lack of needing ANY resources makes it the perfect AFK animal, which is why people do exactly that

[frosty heron]

Or rather watch their corpses way more oftenly

[dusky surge]

I want it tuned down in combat and forced to actually make interactions while growing as opposed to AFK growing

[frosty heron]

Fine give it 20 minutes of stomach but then I should stomp everything I come across

[dusky surge]

I WANT rexes to exist, I just don't want THIS MANY rexes to exist

[dusky surge]

wow what an incredibly unrealistic strawman of an argument

[frosty heron]

Thats not even a balance issue but people is not ready for this conversation

[dusky surge]

i'd never argue for 20 minutes because why would that be fun

i'm arguing like, 75-90 minutes, with perhaps a 30-60 minute thirst

[frosty heron]

Im not gonna be wasting me time giving more arguments , even posting clips doesnt even make a difference with such box heads most people has

[dusky surge]

it is somewhat of a balance issue given how easy it is to AFK grow it

[bitter iris]

Rex has speed, turning, like jo stam cost on a lot of attacks, crush mechanic which can literally like 1-3 shot every single Dino in the game through spikes and horns. Crazy low hunger drain, fast to get up from resting, good night vision, o so many strong attacks, makes even more powerful with desinc, crazy trot and something to give to safety wheels at like every age of life

[dusky surge]

source: I managed to AFK grow a rex ON ACCIDENT because it was that simple

I literally forgot the rex was there and it was fine, this is meant to be a "difficult apex growth"

[frosty heron]

"My herbi doesnt autowin by looking at the Rex, Rex OP" is just everything I find so far and the arguments just are thrown into the bath when I find out people suggestin doesnt even test stuff in game , they just die on survival

[dusky surge]

you love strawmen don't you

no one wants their herbi to autowin, and if they do, that's dumb

i want you to actually find me one argument that actually says trike/stego should AUTOMATICALLY win against rex that isn't a literal meme

[bitter iris]

It auto loses

[frosty heron]

Ive never afk grown a Rex , otherwise no elder ,no perfect diet , slow 20 hours of growth

[dusky surge]

elder is easy to obtain with its diet

[bitter iris]

It doesn’t even use its ambush like it’s supposed to because it doesn’t need it

[dusky surge]

and its nutrient decay is also very slow thanks to its slow hunger

[frosty heron]

The whole upvoted suggestions speaking for themselves

[dusky surge]

show me one that stands out

[frosty heron]

Make Rex:

-Slower
-Less fracture
-Less stamina

-More hungry
-Less agile
-More noisy

[bitter iris]

Every Rex that’s not a juvi or a prime I’ve seen was growing with the safety of the beach

[frosty heron]

This whole is in fact missinformation

[dusky surge]

it quite literally is not

[bitter iris]

Fr

[dusky surge]

given most rexes are agile enough to EASILY avoid thrash, it quite literally does take 10+ hits, especially if the rex has congen

[dusky surge]

i also don't see anything wrong in that statement

tell me, are you hyperfixated on the number 2 and nothing else

[frosty heron]

4 Crushes to break a same sized Trike , and Trike doesnt need 10 hits lol

[dusky surge]

yes, it's the number 2

[frosty heron]

Thats actually from the number 1

And I could keep going but I dont want someone catching me up for "spamming"

[dusky surge]

no, i mean, you're obsessed with the number 2

[bitter iris]

Crush then bite right after right? Because it can do that

[dusky surge]

you see "2 crushes" and immediately say "NOPE WRONG" and dismiss everything else

[frosty heron]

Im not obsessed with any of them , just proving people getting upvotes for giving missinformation

Also someone asked for double damage on Trike , that was the best

[frosty heron]

Trike doesnt need 10+ hits neither , just 2 combos

[dusky surge]

trike should do higher damage tbh, not double, but i'd love to see thrash do less damage and have that damage distributed amongs the rest of the kit

[frosty heron]

Im not dismissing the fact Rex is winning

[dusky surge]

i will be 100% honest, if you are a rex with THAT level of speed and agility, and you get hit by a thrash combo, wtf

genuinely how have you managed to do this to yourself

[frosty heron]

It already does whooping 1k damage on alts on peak prime, if that isnt enought...

[bitter iris]

Idk I want apex fights to last longer I would rather more bone res

[frosty heron]

Youre clearly speaking out actually testing it be yourself

[dusky surge]

1k... honestly isn't much in the grander scheme of things without more to it

if it did high bleed or fracture or even CC, sure, but trike does none of these things, and its angle of attack is extremely choreographed

[dusky surge]

i did, actually, test it myself, several times, with several trikes and several rexes, playing both sides several times

the trike thrash combo is just not something that should be ever relied on

it's good for nuking stegos and that's really the best it's for

[frosty heron]

Then im not sure what kind of Trikes youre fighting on , but it can in fact stun and go for a thrash , you get the second hit getting out

So it probs registers as tail hit

But if you land it closer to the head , Trike wrecks 50% of Rex pool, on a single combo

Thats very far from 10 hits

[dusky surge]

that's a big if tho

crush is infinitely easier to land than thrash

and is about as game-winning as thrash is

once the trike is leg frcatured, the fight is over

[bitter iris]

I see fg Rexes the second most in the game right now and for having the longest growth time it means he’s either too easy to grow or to easy to stay alive after growth or both

[frosty heron]

Or not if the famous bug roulette shows up and Trike movement gets a desync

[frosty heron]

You will be surprised that the amount of Rexes in the servers has nothing to do with actually being "easy" to growth or being easy to survive as , is all based on popularity

[bitter iris]

That’s the same reasoning they all use… I’m talking about prime Rexes not died baby’s as it should be

[frosty heron]

Prime is easy to get because you have 12 hours to move all around the map lol

[dusky surge]

trike honestly shockingly presents little REAL threat to rex

stego can still swing while fractured and deal INSANE bleed, forcing the rex to back off, as well as covering its flanks well

trike, however, purely operates on raw damage and defense, and its unique moveset of sparring

if the trike gets ambushed, its already so far on the backfoot because its alt attack is terrible and its already well on the way to being fractured, which disables its defence

if the trike LANDS hits, it won't really matter UNLESS it's thrash because trike doesn't have any big "injury" stat to make rex back off or be afraid of it

I still believe trike needs to be able to stun on alt (keep it slow tho, it should be baitable and punishable by good rexes), and distribute damage from the thrash and between other moves to have them pack moe punch to actually hurt

[bitter iris]

Right now rex is easy to grow and it should be hard to grow….

[bitter iris]

Not just prime like fully grown in general

[frosty heron]

All playables are easy to grow

I dont see why Rex should be an exception if its gonna get nerfed

[bitter iris]

Rex shouldn’t be (dieno isn’t I would say)

[frosty heron]

Deino is so badly designed imo

[bitter iris]

Apex’s shouldn’t be easy to grow

If you can become the strongest Dino in the game it should be hard

[steep gazelle]

Rex is the easiest dino to grow, considering it's an Apex that has almost all the AI in its diet

[bitter iris]

I also think Rex should have a lower growth time but harder gameplay

[frosty heron]

How is that easy when the AI doesnt feed you at certain growth%

[dusky surge]

they absolutely do

[bitter iris]

It does

[frosty heron]

Also I could say the same about any herb , I can just eat mushrooms and get easy peasy perfect diet

[dusky surge]

unless you're prime elder, you can sustain yourself on turtles and boar

[steep gazelle]

AI feeds Rex up to 80%

Turtle mainly

[frosty heron]

Honestly im not into camping Turtles

[bitter iris]

That’s the hole buff to herbis

[bitter iris]

And being slightly stronger per growth time

[frosty heron]

Then apart of poorly designed Deino , what other playable is hard to grow

[steep gazelle]

you're not into, but the others Rex can and do it

[vale brook]

until they get kicked out, yes

rex can survive off solely ai for a majority of its life. not really comparable

[bitter iris]

Also I’m hoping nerfs to Rex will make him actually play into his gimmick # ambush

[frosty heron]

With the changes people are asking for it will lose to Stego and people will be fine with it and call it balanced 😄

[bitter iris]

Not too much but kinda trike

[dusky surge]

i'm glad that you aren't but most rexes like the easy route

[dusky surge]

i mean

should it NOT lose to stego if the stego plays well?

[frosty heron]

6 hours vs 12

25% size diff

Idk rick...

[steep gazelle]

29km vs 35km-40km

[dusky surge]

make it take longer idc lmao

such a dumb argument

[bitter iris]

Not what we are asking also I hope if Rex gets a nerf Stego gets a attack speed nerf a bit but most people don’t agree with that I think

[frosty heron]

? Prime Stego is way faster than 29km

[vale brook]

id be fine with stego getting a growth time extension alongside the growth curve change @feral hazel mentioned

[steep gazelle]

And Rex is even more

[spiral ledge]

it is literally SO OP the rex , i mean a guy without any experience can easily killed the rest of the rooster with the rex , Rex is not skilled , literally have everything , agility , damage ,speed I mean it is incredible unfair for the rest of the rooster

[frosty heron]

Rex is only 1 to 2 km/h faster

[steep gazelle]

Rex can run up to 40km

[frosty heron]

Youre counting the ambush bud

[steep gazelle]

Yes?

[vale brook]

... duh

like what

why would we not include the mechanic that gives rex a free speed buff with no visible stamina cost

[steep gazelle]

Why wouldn't I count the ambush?

[frosty heron]

That doenst make it faster in a whole , Rex is never catching a Stego in the distance

So is a vage argument for the fight or run away debate

If you see a Rex from far enought you can run away

[steep gazelle]

Rex can catch a Stego extremely easily with ambush, mainly prime Rex

No even need realy make a ambush

Just press a button and run faster

[bitter iris]

Yes he can I’ve caught carnos as ceratos before a Rex can easily catch a stego

[frosty heron]

Its a nice way to waste your stamina but yeah you will catch up

Probably start fighting at 20% stamina

[bitter iris]

Not have a sub adult too I saw Rexes far away and I couldn’t get away too

[bitter iris]

% fastest trot in the gaaaamme

[frosty heron]

Now is the trot? Jeez

[bitter iris]

Yes because it helps it catches up to stego?!

[steep gazelle]

Trot is also one of the things

[frosty heron]

I still think its insane a 6 hour playable has such chance againts 12 hour one tho , its like im working for 12 hours and I get the same salary as Stego players that work only 6

[vale brook]

growth time does not equal balance lol

[frosty heron]

I already suggested to make stego faster and people didnt like it , I know why

[steep gazelle]

If Rex wasn't so fast, it wouldn't be necessary

[bitter iris]

I would love for Rex to be 9 hours ngl

[frosty heron]

It does, I literally gave you the argument

[vale brook]

troodons can take out animals far larger than them as a solo so try again

[bitter iris]

Just super hard per growth

[frosty heron]

Werent you saying it was easy to grow? Why make it easier?

[frosty heron]

Never seen such sceneario but if thats the case why people is fine with that?

[steep gazelle]

Stego speed is fine, Rex ambush speed is overpower

[bitter iris]

This sorry I sent in different messages

[frosty heron]

(Probs truly unskilled players die to solo Troodons)

[vale brook]

because thats troodons job, and they know that growth time doesnt determine balance

[bitter iris]

I’ve seen them kill fg dilos

[frosty heron]

Im done debating bud

[vale brook]

"i put in 12 hours, i deserve to be able to just destroy this 6 hour growth animal!"

just weird and entitled mindset i cant lie

especially if the stego actually plays well against the rex lol

[frosty heron]

Common sense is weird for ya

[bitter iris]

Brother still thinks he’s right 😔

[steep gazelle]

"My 12t Apex needs to run at 40km/h, yes, and that's completely fair."

[frosty heron]

When I said thats fair

Lmao yall ragebaiting fr

[vale brook]

rex fanboys will always defend broken balance in favor of rex being "the king", it happened in legacy and it happens in evrima as well

[frosty heron]

Such boxy heads

[bitter iris]

“If I put more time in the Dino everyone else’s time doesn’t matter”

[steep gazelle]

Allo fans too, But they are in smaller quantities

[bitter iris]

6 v 1 with no good points

[frosty heron]

Herbie fanboys will always want to kill all the carnivores on sight because Herbies being the "heroes" , it happened in legacy and it happens in evrima as well

[vale brook]

no one is asking for stego to just kill all carnivores on sight

[bitter iris]

Yep fr and I play allo and want him nerfed

[mint star]

actually herbivores in legacy majority just wanted to birdbath sim from what I remember

that was the appeal at the time

[bitter iris]

I don’t play herbs and agree with it

[frosty heron]

At this point I dont even trust

[mint star]

unlike today where a stegosaurus will see a juvenile troodon from halfway across the map and immediately sprint the entire distance just to kill it

[bitter iris]

I’m a raptor main

[steep gazelle]

There are some people here who wanted, and perhaps still want, the Allo to be able to run 40km/h, have a Turn like Omni, and a better drift than it currently has xd

[frosty heron]

The fact youre defending them playing that playable that had one of the worst history in the game is crazy

Lowkey people here admited they hated Omni

[bitter iris]

Playing few herbis only pachy and stego (not much at all max 8 hours overall)

[dusky surge]

i typically play troodon or herrera, not too big a fan of herbi gameloop, i just like it when fights feel fun for more than just one side

[bitter iris]

Better then Rex

[steep gazelle]

I am troodon and Carno main, Definitely far from being a herb fanboy

[golden coral]

Rather the pounce, being such a buggy and unfun mechanic with a lacking counter, and the only real counter just resulting in a boring standoff until starvation more often than not

[bitter iris]

It can run 40 mph 😭

[golden coral]

Not the omni, just the pounce/bucking and pin being questionable mechanics

[frosty heron]

Both Rex and Utah/Omni were strong af on Legacy , and Omni been way more in Evrima than Rex , I can tell Omni been on the worst and its now after such many updates on a good condition

People hates Omni with passion btw

[golden coral]

Also for the 6 vs 12 hours growth for stego and rex, just curious, are we talking to adult, to prime, or what?

[frosty heron]

Both in their prime

[steep gazelle]

They want more 🔥

[golden coral]

Utahs weren't all that in legacy, dilos tended to be more terrifying, and rex was scary, but giga was more so

[frosty heron]

FG Rex pins FG Stego and there its winning all the times

[bitter iris]

Never played legacy also people hate Rex with a passion and he just got added 😭

[frosty heron]

"Oh no I hate Rex players because they can kill my herby, all of them deserve the worst of the gameplay loops so they swich to another playable" Thats better?

[dusky surge]

i swear

[frosty heron]

Is not even Rex at this point

[dusky surge]

you LOVE strawmen

[frosty heron]

Every playable capable to kill another Herb , is OP

Just look at Cera

[steep gazelle]

Cera? Xd

[bitter iris]

Haven’t played Rex only died

[bitter iris]

Broooo

I have been playing a lot of cera recently and he is op

[frosty heron]

I literally speaked facts lol

[steep gazelle]

"Just look at the most unbalanced playable"

[frosty heron]

Carnivore capable of herb hunting? automatic OP on suggestions

Let me add to that sentence

[bitter iris]

And I’ve only died to pins (3 Rex pins and 1 allo pin)

[frosty heron]

While not in a group^*

[steep gazelle]

Troo op 😭🙏

[bitter iris]

Compy op 😭😭 nerf now😡😡😡

[frosty heron]

While not in a group^*

[thorn mountain]

herra op

deino op

[frosty heron]

Fr which herbi is dying to Herra or Troo 😭

[steep gazelle]

Cera is not, and never has been, a balance Synonymous . Trying to use it as an argument is very funny

[frosty heron]

Hypsi?

[thorn mountain]

anything that is juvie or small

[dusky surge]

i've seen troodons kill prime rexes lmao

[bitter iris]

Herra? A pachy

[frosty heron]

Juvis? Which yall drag the arguments to your side of the stadium?

[steep gazelle]

Need nerf urgently

[thorn mountain]

im joking around making fun of you mate

[frosty heron]

Yall failing bro

[thorn mountain]

nah

[bitter iris]

Wait so now are you saying all carnivores need a buff 😭😭😭😂😂

[frosty heron]

This discord is trying so hard to ragebait and im making fun aswell

[dusky surge]

i love how, no matter who plays what, or how many different people say it, you are still CONVINCED everyone who doesn't like rex is a massive herbi main who cannot handle losing as opposed to accepting that people of many different playstyles just think rex is busted OP

[frosty heron]

You actually said the truth about herb mains

Thats how I see 90% of them

[thorn mountain]

im just saying right

[steep gazelle]

Most players think Rex is OP, but not, they are all herb fanboys 🔥

[bitter iris]

TurokT do you believe this cause it’s what you are saying

[frosty heron]

Prove when im saying that

[thorn mountain]

i play loads of carnivores, carnos, allos I play it, I also have loads of success with them, you just dont run yourself into the local animal that is 5 times your size and you will be fine

[frosty heron]

Someone has to find my suggestions , I even once asked to buff Stego (I regret)

[bitter iris]

This

[dusky surge]

most herbi mains tend to be more chill than carni mains in my experience

[frosty heron]

That was a genuine question because I cannot see any adult herbi dying to a solo Troodon , thats trolling

[frosty heron]

My experience as admin on a server has the opposite , had a group of herbs reporting Rexes for losing their whole herd

Almost on a crashout lol

[bitter iris]

This with what you said above it

[bitter iris]

Herra too?

[frosty heron]

Cera is completely unbalanced for people because its capable to solo herbs bigger than it , im I correct?

Because vomit lock , and charge bite

[bitter iris]

Gasp a juvi hunting dinosaur is hunting juvi’s?!??!!

[steep gazelle]

No. It's because he's a scavenger better hunter than the other hunters

[bitter iris]

But force of 400 🥲

[steep gazelle]

Charge bite should be a defensive tool, but it is an offensive tool with no consequences and an extremely high reward

[vale brook]

which could be fixed with minor adjustments fairly easily

[bitter iris]

Again with the herbis (remember I don’t even play em)

[bitter iris]

Fr

[frosty heron]

Nobody will tolerate any carnivore being a good solo hunter in this game , I dont care whats Cera "supposed" to be in the game , its a fact is the only one capable

Apart of Rex

Both are OP , not a coincidence

Troodon an Herra calls are trolling at this point , the smallest herb capable of fighting which is Pachy will never die to those solo

Unless you forget your hands when playing the game

[bitter iris]

So the game should be a battle ground game?

[frosty heron]

It isnt a survival? Then survive 😄

Ima pull that up on all Trike players

"Just survive bro"

[steep gazelle]

The niche has to be taken into account, that's basically the point of all the playable's abilities

[bitter iris]

Tf a solo pachy will always die to a Herra like have you even played Herra

[frosty heron]

I do , ive only killed FG Omnis on 1 pounce as Herra

I dont see that happening on 700kg Pachy

[steep gazelle]

Rex is an ambusher who, for some reason, is also a runner. Cera is a Scavenger and the best hunter at the same time

[bitter iris]

What you’re suggesting is that herbis shouldn’t survive… a stego not being able to defend itself from Rex

[vale brook]

i mean herrera could oneshot dilos with a headshot from max damage height so... its not crazy to assume

plus bleed will kill the pachy within seconds from the herrera pounce

[frosty heron]

What about running away as I suggested weeks ago

[bitter iris]

You can 1 tap fg dilo last I checked

[frosty heron]

Oh wait , that shouldnt be the case because "its dumb" , good argument

[mint star]

a herrera nearly killed my meat cerato once, every time I went to rest he would sniff out where I was and hit me with another dropkick

I had to be scummy and use a mud pit

[bitter iris]

Didn’t say that… stereotype

[frosty heron]

I also find Herra one of the most unskilled playables in the game tho , because Herra doesnt combat , it just pounces on you while being almost invisible

[steep gazelle]

Stego cant do it bro 😭🙏

[mint star]

I’m sure the trex is a skilled playable

totally

[vale brook]

for sure

[frosty heron]

I suggested to be "faster" bro , and Stego can currently

[bitter iris]

Then what would you fight as stego? I don’t hate this point but it would give less interactions

[bitter iris]

So a 41 mph stego?

[frosty heron]

Allos? Ceras? smaller Rexes? those supposed you should fight on your growthtime

[steep gazelle]

If Rex wants that to happen, then yes

[dusky surge]

clearly this will have NO negative reprocussions on the rest of the game

[vale brook]

i feel like we've ignored the fact that stego was explicitly changed within HT to be able to fight and defend itself from rexes

so the whole "stego shouldnt be able to defend itself from rex" is just odd considering that is expressly what many of the changes it got in HT were to help with

[frosty heron]

If the Rex gets spotted with enought distance of if the Stego is a prime vs an adult , pretty much it can do it

[bitter iris]

What about kentro isn’t that the same thing kentro will be so stego and kentro should just be the same playable

[frosty heron]

Isnt Kentro like Teno sized lol

How a Kentro is fighting an Allo

Or the future Alberto

[bitter iris]

Ngl I thought it would like dibble

[frosty heron]

That would be ridiculous considering the sheer size difference and probs growth times

[bitter iris]

So will that make kentro faster than a cerato I feel that wouldn’t be balanced

[frosty heron]

Cerato its on its weight class

[bitter iris]

I don’t know this. What is the size of kentro

[frosty heron]

Should be faster than an Allo tbh, way faster

[bitter iris]

I remember dondi saying in a video kentro won’t be that fast

[frosty heron]

If it isnt getting oversized it might be 1.5 - 1.6 tons

[bitter iris]

Evidence or speculation

[vale brook]

ehhh misremembering the context a bit

[frosty heron]

Pure speculation

[bitter iris]

Could be right

[frosty heron]

I dont have the resources to check that

[vale brook]

kentro speed was bugged in a few of the previews he gave us and he told us it "probably wont be this fast"

[frosty heron]

Just saw the size compared to a Teno

Theyre similar and Teno is 1.6

[dusky surge]

it is VERY likely that an allo v kentro matchup will be a thing and kentro will be able to defend itself

unfortuantly, the game is not defined by growth time, as much as you seem to believe it is

[bitter iris]

Ah ok mb

[dusky surge]

kentro is going to be, iirc, slower than teno

because teno was quoted to be the fastest quadruped in the game

[bitter iris]

Honestly I think the main thing to fix so much of these issue is prime speed changing

[dusky surge]

might've changed, but i can't IMAGINE kentro outspeeding teno

[bitter iris]

Fr

[frosty heron]

Completely balanced than an animal half the Allo size and growth time is capable of that , people oftentenly forgets this is a videogame and those situations make it just unenjoyable

[bitter iris]

I thought it would be like dibble

[bitter iris]

Do we know growth time?

[dusky surge]

you tend to forget that getting stomped by something without counterplay because of an hour difference is unfun and people enjoy being able to defend themselves

[frosty heron]

We dont , I assume similar to Teno

[frosty heron]

Im actually giving counterplay and yall spit it on my face lol

[bitter iris]

So just speculation that it will be half its size and growth time

[frosty heron]

Because yall find it too romantic than the smaller dog kills the big dog

[bitter iris]

Your counter play is just guessing kentros stats and calling it over powered 😭

[frosty heron]

If Kentro would be 3 tons im fine with it but thats unrealistic and doesnt fill a gap in the game which is small tier Stegosaurids

[frosty heron]

Bro you really need to check Don streams and check yourself the size of that thing

If that thing is 3 tons , is completely forced

[bitter iris]

Just do this then everything is so much more balanced

[frosty heron]

That wont fix people calling Rex OP or Allo or Cera tbh

Needs to go but thats one of many

[golden coral]

But size/growth time isnt everything, look at the playable. Kentro is a porcupine, pretty much, covered in spikes

So even if it is smaller, it's not a teno, it has far better defenses

You're a little too stuck on growth time and size itself, not looking at what the playable is equipped with

[frosty heron]

I know where you going , but its a videogame , if I want something to be unkillable because it has spikes I can see some big issues with that

[bitter iris]

Because they will still be op it will balance the game for herbis and carni alike

[frosty heron]

If I work 3 hours , and some other works 1 hour and half, I deserve a fair salary

[dusky surge]

because stego is not a runner, is not built like a runner, and designing stego to outrun diablo because of rex is an absurd way of balance when you could just address the rex sized problem in the room

[golden coral]

Unkillable to some things, perhaps. I imagine smaller stuff, troodon and maybe omni if they're careful (or a herrera with really good aim), can take one, or bigger things like rex/giga that can power through the defenses or take the retaliation damage and not care too much (if kentro gets that), whereas allo/alberto/sub rex and such, might want to avoid kentro, due to not having enough size to ignore the defenses, and not being small and agile enough to avoid the spikes and still deliver good damage

[frosty heron]

Sounds like the perfect mixpacking griefing machine for anything that isnt an Apex , just imagine that with and herd of pachys

[bitter iris]

I’m saying Rex doesn’t need to have so much growth time 9h is a lot better with harder growth overall. And stego v Rex right now is close to 50 50 but if Rex catches the stego using its gimmick ambush then the Rex will win.

[frosty heron]

Honestly I dont see it lol

[golden coral]

Up stego growth a bit, all thats really needed

Or just up stego base size to the 7.5 someone suggested, and up growth to like an hour shorter than trike and rex, and just call it an apex and there we go

[bitter iris]

What about it

[frosty heron]

What if I use the same vage argument like yall and I go for "I find dumb that Rex being full apexs takes 9 hours while being the most powerfull and biggesst land predator in the roster it should have the power keeping those 12 hours"

[bitter iris]

I agree with this too

[dusky surge]

7.5 ton stego is fine given the elder is 9.3, and it gives you an excuse to increase growth times

[frosty heron]

Wait til Acro dude shows up and finds out it cant kill a Stego

Or Giga

[golden coral]

Why wouldn't giga be able to?

I imagine it might handle bleed better than rex so

[frosty heron]

Giga will probably be less agile than Rex

[golden coral]

And stego does not handle bleed particularily well from what I know so there's that too

For a bleeder apex that kind of want to do hit and run and use attrition?

[frosty heron]

If you even are able to land a bite on Stego

[golden coral]

I dont know, I can't see it being all that clumsy if its supposed to not stay in the fight, unlike rex

[frosty heron]

Has one of the best turn rates in the game btw

[golden coral]

And acro, well, if it can use the choke, stego being ambushed would be a short fight

[bitter iris]

The issue is your literally getting rid of stego to fix Rexes needs? Instead of just balancing Rex to fix stegos and trikes needs. Stego has been in the game longer he is more balanced. What evidence do you have that Rex is balanced.

[frosty heron]

The choke? Sounds like another mechanic people will cry for in suggestions

[bitter iris]

I don’t know why you dislike this idea I’m saying stego v Rex is balanced and I’m also give Rex less growth time. Win win?

[frosty heron]

Im getting rid of Stego being able to do such fight off on something that big while Trike is uncapable to , because Trike is the opponent Rex has to have struggles , not Stego , Stego being able to is just a whim from herb mains

[bitter iris]

Rex

[frosty heron]

Stego turns the same while z walking bro

[frosty heron]

Thats not a win a win because that means Rex is no rival for a Trike lol

Which is imo , also dumb

Very dumb actually considering the popular rivalry of both

[bitter iris]

What you are saying is Rex should only have 1 enemy and that’s the one he destroys in a 1v1

[frosty heron]

Youre skipping all the Trike calls for buffs or youre trolling me at this point?

[bitter iris]

So then Rex has one of the best turn rates in the game

[frosty heron]

One of the best , not the best , but yeah

From a brawler type of playable

[bitter iris]

Well obviously we will balance trike too

[frosty heron]

No way bro

People literally asking Trike to nuke Rex

Like "if doesnt get the ambush" then whats your ideas

[bitter iris]

What?

[golden coral]

I mean, I can see it being as unfun as pin/pounce, depending on how they do it, but it might also work out well

[golden coral]

No, its because stego, if you look at its design, is clearly built to fight, just like trike. And so, in a fictional take on these critters, letting stego fight rex seems more reasonable and immersive than it running away when it isnt built for running and it looks silly. Especially when the stego size can be up to 7.5-8, so there's that if you need better size for it.

Okay, so solution, make trike better, up stego growth time and growth curve, and things are good? And keep rex as is?

[bitter iris]

Ngl I think (on probably unpopular opinion) that in a 1v1 trike v Rex trike wins 65% about on a 1v1 with Rex landing an ambush 65% Rex wins and in a 2v1 Rex v trike a trike might be able to kill 1 then die or scare them off (or just die if the Rexes are coordinated) this would be with Rex being 9 hour growth. Overall a smart Rex will use its ambush and win in a fight against trikes so the overall stats will probably favor Rex. (Obviously those odds will be hard to match but it’s just my idea)

[frosty heron]

None of these "solutions" comes to the solution people wants which is kill carnivores without any hour on the practice servers

[dusky surge]

that isn't what people want

stop with the strawmen

[golden coral]

Where are you even getting that from?

Cause I've not seen anyone here argue for anything like that

[vale brook]

we pull things out of the air here and hope they stick

its islecord

[frosty heron]

Speculation tho , I dont see how a Rex is winning with an ambush with the current stats if Trike is able to turn around and outdamage Rex

Considering Trike buff is giving him the chance to turn around on the Rex

[bitter iris]

I’ve got a question do you think half of the player base (look at the vote to nerf rex) and us are all just stupid herbi players wanting to destroy carni

[bitter iris]

Yes definitely speculation but does that sound balanced?

[frosty heron]

I do strongly think like thats the 90% of this Discord checking those balance channels , true carni mains dont even look at this channels because we know were facing off (hate mostly)

[frosty heron]

Yes? I guess

Too many people with "Triceratops" on their names with almost getting crashouts

[bitter iris]

I would hope the trike agility buff would allow it to match Rex (stay looking at him while he tries to get around) so the Rex has to juke the trike or catch him off guard

[frosty heron]

Just because Rex is currently winning

Im I correct?

[golden coral]

That sounds a lot like those "true carni mains" just want easy kills because they're either bad or lazy

[frosty heron]

What if its turns the other way around and Trike bodies Rex no matter what?

I do know the answer tho

[bitter iris]

Double damage is crazy for trike that shouldn’t happen but the community agrees that that’s too much

[frosty heron]

I want the difficult of my kills being based on the time ive been working , just like salary 😄

[bitter iris]

I think I heard someone say Rex win chances were 90% off odds of server interactions

[frosty heron]

Were all playing the same game btw

[golden coral]

So, not your skills and smarts and the design of your playable then, just mindless grind

[frosty heron]

Oh no , of course the time working also means the time practicing ,not only pure grinding

[golden coral]

Thats still mindless grinding if you're only looking at the time, not how good you are

[frosty heron]

But if fact if I practice the same as another person and that one picks a playable thats easier to growth , in equal skill level, I should win

Without much struggle if the difference is big

[golden coral]

And if skill/smarts are more important, then time is not the thing that decides how it goes, but how you play your playable

[frosty heron]

Do you trust that? I dont

[golden coral]

Except, you have which one is faster and can force the fight

[frosty heron]

Imo its a 70% based of my experience

[golden coral]

And other such factors

[bitter iris]

That’s not what it is with trike v Rex right now

[frosty heron]

As which I suggested the buff in speed

[golden coral]

Also time of growth does not tell how easy or hard the growth is for that matter

[frosty heron]

Never said it isnt

[golden coral]

Or increase in growth, does the same thing, no?

[frosty heron]

Unfair for the Trike , insulting its doing worse than Stego

[frosty heron]

I honestly dont want Stego being in the weight class of Rex

[bitter iris]

What do you think the odds of trike winning is right now

[golden coral]

Maybe you should keep your own approach in mind and stop saying its how others see things

[frosty heron]

I already told ya, you missed it

[golden coral]

You just want stego to be weak, for no good reason then, "not in rex weight class"

Despite it being able to be so, and its immersive enough

[frosty heron]

People here suggest and troll all around they want , why shouldnt I?

[bitter iris]

Sorry can I say again

[frosty heron]

Thats not true lol

For you its weak that it can body all the roster pretty much even in packs besides Rex?

[bitter iris]

Literally the apex herbi of the Jurassic period *other than sauropods sorry

[frosty heron]

Rex is winning by 70% , 30% Trike winning to the current bugs we have or a failed engagement

[golden coral]

And trike and rex can't?

[frosty heron]

I do strongly believe people wants Stego to be able to 1v1 all the Apex carnivores , all of them

[bitter iris]

So with out the bugs it would probably be 90% Rex would you say?

[golden coral]

Or well, rex, trike is apparently struggling or so people make it out to be

[golden coral]

Yes, because most see it as acro, a proper, or at least possible apex

And whereas acro can more reasonably be made to run from a rex, even though our acro is... quite hefty, stego just looks silly running, its not a critter that does running well, and it has the obvious weaponry to fight with

[frosty heron]

I can´t answer to that because the data I gathered is the current version with the current bugs

[golden coral]

But its no different from expecting trike and anky to 1v1 the apex carnis

Its just that people for some reason thinks stegos are tiny and weak or something

[bitter iris]

Fair but it would definitely would be stronger

[frosty heron]

We already have a way oversized Stego , no need to put it on the top tier apex category

Also we forgetting the also biggest boys , Camara, Shant

Those gotta be unkillable and the best griefing machines

[golden coral]

We don't, unless you mean the prime, which well, thats kind of the point of primes, plenty of primes get way bigger in the game

[bitter iris]

Camara v Rex should be heavily favored camara (it will have longer growth time and be slower)

[frosty heron]

Uh Teno? Carno? Those primes are still on a "realistic" size gain

[golden coral]

And stego being able to 1v1 other apexes, does not mean it should be good at it, in fact it should have to work harder than most others to do well, but it still makes more sense than it just running

[frosty heron]

So nothing in the game will be able to kill it , different from a Rex

And what about Shant

[golden coral]

Yes and teno is also considered rather lackluster in the prime department, no, ive seen feedback about how its lacking in the weight increase at least

And for carno, well, our adult carno is quite tiny after all

[bitter iris]

Large packs it’s literally the point of playing a monster like that

[frosty heron]

What if I ask to be able to 1v1 a Shant as Rex if the Shant is faster?

[golden coral]

Doesnt the prime just go back to old carno weight or such?

[golden coral]

Pretty sure giga/pair of gigas will go for camaras

And acro, at least according to concept

[bitter iris]

I don’t know enough about Shant to speak of it

[frosty heron]

imo there shouldnt be any single playable in the game being so strong while solo ever

spectating cameras capable of grief , camp bodies and such

[bitter iris]

I think what should happen is they should open up hordtesring and work on balancing Rex v trike

Cause right now you kinda have to take some risks to get it right

[bitter iris]

Fair I’ve never really experienced body camping herbis before (I didn’t play spiro)

[bitter iris]

Best thing to do is to open up hordtest give trike some agility buffs and in my opinion keep trying until the apex fights are this (also get rid of prime speeeeed)

[frosty heron]

If I knew I was facing this I woulda have wait more for Rex and not release it

Instead release Giga or Spino so it gets the hate

[maiden temple]

#balance-feedback message
I don't think teno should dive, but we should have aquatic plants for them to eat!

[bitter iris]

Lots of people are saying they should have waited to release the update (I know this is different but overall the same idea)

[bitter iris]

If you agree with this then it’s settled

[frosty heron]

I 100% agree

Better test that out than getting insulted because I want Rex to be strong lol

I had fun with it on Legacy because it was even tho not many people liked Legacy

[bitter iris]

#balance-feedback message also same goes for stat after 88% (no speed debuffs, stamina or infertility)

[twilit haven]

yday me and my friend stegos around 58-60% grown got bodied by a single ceratosaurus : ( is there a server I can practice fighting cause I really struggle against decent players lol

[bitter iris]

Search deathmatch in unofficial search bar. I like to play barren land cause you have heal and growth commands for free but also primal heaven is a popular one.

[twilit haven]

Tyvm 🙏

[bitter iris]

Oh and also oasis free admin server can work too so you can have all of the commands (better if you already have someone to play with and has to be set up though)

[twilit haven]

ohh okay Ill check them all out at least I can practice some combat now without waiting 6 hours xD

[faint robin]

Trike already can't do that with that speed
Idk why ppl say trike v rex should be 50/50 when speed alone is the argument for trike to have at least 70/30 vs rex

Same reason rex should be favored in stego fight (i dont mind stego killing rex rn since nothing else can)

[scenic crystal]

I've seen more stego deaths than rex deaths.

[junior jay]

@chilly tangle if you want pop control go To petits Or nerf

[maiden temple]

#balance-feedback message
The population has always been skewed this way, unofficials with population control are a good solution for now.
There is just not much to do as a herbi, it's not nearly as thrilling and attractive to play even though most herbis are very fun to play

[valid robin]

Ngl they really need to add some more gameplay depth for herbis imo

They’re just not challenging enough imo

[maiden temple]

Yeah, expanding breeding would suffice honestly, make long family trees, make it worthwhile and connect it with elder system

Goals for herbis and carnis to reach prime should differ as well imo, it's such a good way to push players to play a certain way without saying it lol

[valid robin]

Yeah idk I’d like a more in depth nutrient system and more systems that encourage active gameplay

When I have a lot of laundry and other chores to complete, that’s when I play apex herbi

[maiden temple]

People were not happy with the old nutrient system so I doubt it will come back

[valid robin]

Nah I wasn’t saying to bring it back, just a bit of a rework to current system of pzs/mzs and growing

[maiden temple]

It could use some changes, I thought migrations would be fun but with both PZ and MZ around it's even worse than the localised food sources

In fact I miss the old spots, I travelled much more than I do now for food and carnis knew where to camp for our big groups

We have so many more items on diet lists, this could take you anywhere

Especially with draught/floods

[valid robin]

Emphasis on this

Idk current system strongly supports hotspots and afking to grow

[maiden temple]

It was easier to find your own kind with the old spots too, I knew where to find other tenos because they would be around the specific food spots. Same with pachies 😄

This could be replicated with a marking system as well, we already have scent

[steep gazelle]

@junior jay You want carno to be useless? Xd

[junior jay]

wdym?

carno is op rn

those nerfs wouldnt make it bad

just more balanced

[steep gazelle]

Reduce the hitbox of Headbutt, add Stamina cost to use Headbutt by 5%, and remove cc while he is stationary lol

[junior jay]

reduce hitbox up time

[steep gazelle]

You don't want Carno to be more balanced, you just want to not have to deal with him anymore

[junior jay]

bro

i play carno

i know how op it is

i just dont want carno to be so no skill and op

[steep gazelle]

Do you play it? Add 5% stam cost to use Headbutt? It really doesn't seem like you play it, probably play with Omni

[cosmic pelican]

I agree with an extra cost to charge every time you attack, but 5% is excessive, 2 would be better. Still punishing if you just spam it, but patient carnos will barely feel a difference.

[steep gazelle]

No skill against what?

[junior jay]

so allo should loose stam from claw swipe maia should loose stam from push but carno shouldnt

[steep gazelle]

Yes, there is a huge difference between them. Carno needs Stam to hunt small things like Omni and Dilo

[junior jay]

cera teno omni

[steep gazelle]

I don't know if you know, but Carno can no longer hunt things that are so much bigger than himself, Unless the other one is really bad

[steep gazelle]

Cera is Immune to charge Stun near a body and Teno still makes Carno a punching bag

Well, if the Teno knows how to play

[junior jay]

im starting to think you dont know how to play

[steep gazelle]

And Omni is Carno prey. If you're an Omni and you see a Carno, you'd better run to a rock or cross a river as quickly as possible, that's literally the purpose of Carno

[steep gazelle]

Think however you want xd

[keen plover]

Imo they should separate standing and running CC.

Standing imo should be useful against things 50% of a Carno's weight. Can be used vs teno and cera for dps, but it doesn't stagger them.

Add a stamina cost of 2% and possibly a cooldown in-between each swing (may not be necessary with the other changes, and even then it shouldn't be a long cooldown).

[steep gazelle]

Carno is indeed very strong rn, but that's exclusively about stationary headbutt, the running headbutt is fine

[steep gazelle]

Yes, that would be good

[maiden temple]

That's what I thought it was meant to be lol, it seems logical

[bitter iris]

He has the stam he out stams all of them already

[bitter iris]

I would be fine with stam cost of 2% with a dilo buff to agility too

[spiral ledge]

i have played more than 1000 hours with the carno and rn is in a good point , remember the trike update when They destroyed it and it was unusable , but right now what they have to do is put a cowldown to the charge if is standing still and in my opinion i would increase a little the damage of the headbut while running and they need to change the stun, Carno Vs Carno , if the two of them weights the same the charge will stun both of them wich is literally It's awful and on par with the 1 vs 1 of "allo vs allo," it's just headbutting and praying the other guy stays stunned longer. That "carno vs carno" is incredibly frustrating.

[chilly tangle]

I want to provide feekback about a population density problem creating a horrible experience for herbivore players. So I have visited so many servers since I started playing. The problem I see is too many predators over hunting because everyone is good at hunting. Naturally it is a good thing to be very good at hunting on the isle. However, when you hop into a server with so many good hunters it becomes a horrible experience when growing a herbivore. I personally prefer to play herbivore, because I don't like hearing bugs buzzing constantly around me after I hunt down prey as a carnivore. So I have a solution to a hypothetical count
15 Tyranosourus Rex
20 Allosaurus
30 Omnitaptors
25 Deinosuchus
25 Carnos
35 troodons
30 pteranodons
30 herreras
15 camarasaurs
15 Triceratops
20 miasaurs
30 tenontosaurs
25 Parasophilus
30 Pachycephalsaurs
30 omnivores each
The rest of the smallest dinos in the game should be at least 40
When the population of hunters get too good at hunting the prey will disappear eventually.

[twilit seal]

Carno doesnt stun when stationary anymore

Idk why but a lot of people dont know that, it only does cc when its running

Regardless of distance though

[slim dragon]

What is that list supposed to be ? Species cap ?

[frosty heron]

If you want a 70/30 for the Rex against Trike then Stego should not be a Rex opponent , I agree with that

Specially if we consider how easy is for herbs to mixpack and people being fine with that

[chilly tangle]

A species population cap might be the most drastic solution for a game like this. It has always been tough for herbivores to survive since e the games launch. It's all hypothetical counting.

[steep echo]

@solid belfry #balance-feedback message ngl I thought it already used extra stamina than normal. That's ridiculous if it doesn't.

[chilly tangle]

Mix packing might be the only solution for herbivores unless there is actual hunter vs hunted balance.

[slim dragon]

If you are to make a species cap at least make it make sense

However, it's a solution that definitely would not work

[frosty heron]

You said it just like the current ecosystem is absolutely unviable for all herbs lol

Its just Trike having a hard time and not even it cannot do anything about it , if you get yourself the numbers you can survive pretty well

Mixpacking is equally nasty for both sides carnis and herbs , I would only tolerate Dryo mixpack since its supposed to do so , and I can see couple issues with that

[chilly tangle]

Indeed so certain species coexisting in a specific radius shouldn't be a problem if mix packing is a problem. I do like to mix pack because it let's best friends chill with there favorite dinos. Other than that mix packing certain species is possible for herbivores. Of course there are those that enjoy the fight in a dino survival game.

[chilly tangle]

For sure. It's hard to make it make sense when a game is still in development. Have you seen the actual player count of each server? Herbivores are definitely out numbered. Making the herbivores more forfilling or enjoyable is a problem for the devs to figure out. 🤔 So the kind of feed back I'm giving is an ecosystem that thrives with a controlled environment or a population density management system that goes more in depth. Therefore balance could be achieved. When everyone wants to be a hunter. That's fine, but once the prey is overhunted.. the prey might not recover.

[slim dragon]

If you want to make it function like an ecosystem, why allow 15 rexes and 25 deinos per server ? That's already half of it filled with apexes

Why limit the amount of troodons, pteras and dryos at all ?

Also the system doesn't work, because what happens once the population limit is reached ? Can they no longer nest ? What if someone had a grown dino on that server ? Can they not join the server anymore ? Or are they just able to ignore the population limit ?

[chilly tangle]

I'm getting way too in depth with this 😆 it's all hypothetical. So a cap on Apex Predators is needed. If there is too many there is nothing stopping them from taking over an entire server. They will starve themselves eventually because they hunted everything to extinction.

[slim dragon]

A cap is not needed as it would either achieve nothing or just prevent people from playing the game outright

[chilly tangle]

Of course that is a problem. There is servers with no rules. I love those kind of servers tbh. Thats kind of server is creating an environment with Carnivores hunting Carnivores. They will hardly see any actual prey/herbivore. When that kind of server is thriving it creates that initial problem with herbivores not thriving. So they will need to find that server that is managed by a system that doesn't let the one type of play style over power other types of play styles.

[dusky surge]

#balance-feedback message

bro what ARE you talking about

[mint star]

@leaden raven wrong discord, dude

[dusky surge]

oh damn lmao sucks you couldn't copy it to where it needed to go

[cobalt dagger]

@tidal estuary
Hi there! I wanted to mention that Komodo dragons do parthenogenesis and only produce males when they do.

But also, with partheno on teno, I've only gotten female babies. So I wanted to mention that as well.

[tidal estuary]

OH huh!!

I've gotten male as my kid as PT but haven't nested a ton yet with it.

[golden tapir]

It should be 50/50

It doesn’t matter that trike is slower. Both have their pros and cons. And Rex pros is his speed while trike pros is his growth + he has easier time against stego

If it’s a 50/50 fight then that mean the better player wins which is super fair. Don’t forget trike also has higher group limit to deal with 2 Rexes even easier

[faint robin]

50/50 means trike is rex but slower.
Group limit is not about balancing playables
Slower animal shouldn't have 50/50 w faster one

[viscid mica]

@proud ivy still wouldn’t work due to mass abuse ability easily able to troll others with it

[steep gazelle]

@indigo rain troodon already is bad enough, and you want him have a longer growth?

[indigo rain]

....my brother reread

Its for hypsi

[steep gazelle]

How that would help hypsi

[indigo rain]

Read again

First sentence

[steep gazelle]

??

[indigo rain]

"Buff hypsi to be able to scrap with troodon so it doesnt explode instantly"

Ie: a little more hp or weight

[steep gazelle]

And where does "longer grow time" fit into this?

[steep gazelle]

Ah

[indigo rain]

Bigger animal = longer grow time

[steep gazelle]

I don't know, maybe you should have written that instead of "longer grow time" xd

[indigo rain]

I would like to think i was rather clear in my statement.

[vale brook]

i think its pretty clear based on what she said

i dont know how you took it as "give troodon a longer growth time"

[indigo rain]

^

Reading comprehension is very low rn is what im seeing

[steep gazelle]

Longer growth time doesn't always say it's heavier. Carno was a good example before

[indigo rain]

Not always no. Its a suggestion and thats one possible change to accomodate the buff mhm

[steep gazelle]

Yes, you said to buff him, but you didn't say what. And then you say to increase the grow time. Yeah, I think it's best to edit the suggestion and make it less, you know, open to multiple interpretations...

[keen plover]

@cobalt dagger Allo is slower than Cerato lol

[bitter iris]

He’s just say not all of them can be possible at the same time. And also if both entomb at 100% I think allo is faster overall because of higher growth time and faster sub adult but don’t quote me on this

[keen plover]

Tbf that's already the case. Cerato only gets caught in ambush. Allo is faster than rex and slower than Cerato. Only thing possibly wrong with rex imo is the prime speed.

[cobalt dagger]

It's not always the case that cera being faster than allo because of speed decrease from age.

I want to see age debuff not impact speed and impact something else to compensate. Or even, just don't have things get so weak when they get old. In a game about survival, time spent alive should reward us and not punish us.

[keen plover]

Fair point tbh

[cobalt dagger]

But the reason I mention all this was because I heard that Rex was given murder sprint + prime rex's speed being so high specifically because they want rex to be the same speed as cera/teno and able to catch them.

But they also want allo to be slower than those two and not able to catch them.

But they also want allo to outrun rex.

This is just hearsay but I 'hearsay'd/heard that the reason for all this was crazy prime rex speed was because the devs want rex to be able to catch cera/teno if they don't out-stam it first.

And I heard that they also want allo to be slower than cera. And they also want allo to be faster than rex. And they also want rex to be the same speed as cera.
In seperate 'hear-say' cases. Because I doubt they'd say all that together all at the same time.

Because, said together all at the same time... It's clearly not possible to have your cake and eat it with those three desires.

[bitter iris]

Rex should just be ambush dude not a run down dude

[cobalt dagger]

Agreed 100%

Unless the thing he's running down is trike/animals his own size. But he shouldn't run down cera!

[twilit seal]

@cobalt dagger every dino is able to regen stam while walking below 60% stam, rex isnt exclusive. Rex can’t regen below 60 stam while trotting like the rest of the playables, in fact Rex has a lower stam regen while trotting where all the other playables have the same.

Glass bones don’t make you unable to raise your tail, it just makes you fracture slightly easier. None of the fracures do. As long as you have enough stam to a single power swing, you can always raise your tail. Before you make a balance suggestion at least fix the missinformation

Not to mention stego doesn’t even have a head hitbox right now making it far less vulnerable than it should be

[scenic crystal]

Yeah, sure, when I was playing Stego, I had six prime mutations, 60% growth, and I weighed almost 5 tons. Rex pinned me to the ground with his tail for six seconds and I died. It's great that you waste time playing and you still don't even get a good fight out of it. I hit him once and nothing, no stun. It's the same with tricks. You have that 60% and you can't do anything because you don't have a stun yet, so = dead.

[twilit seal]

60% growth doesnt even weigh 6 tons its not even fg what are you saying lol

not to mention, 9 ton stego stuns peak prime rex

[cosmic pelican]

A 9 ton stego does get instantly pinned though. Well, it gets the "light pin"

[scenic crystal]

I'm saying the Rex is unbalanced, and it's clear that the Stego Trike can't even compete in a fair fight. The Rex is incredibly agile and fast, easily killing a Stego or Trike.

It's clear that the rex wins 80% of the time. The trike can only win if it has water and rocks nearby to defend itself, preventing the rex from getting in the back. But if it's in a forest or open field, the rex dominates and easily kills the trike or stego because it's more agile than them.

[dusky surge]

#balance-feedback message

this is genuinely just making stego rex fodder. 3-4 seconds is insane, and stego already HAD a cooldown in the past, it made the entire powerswing feel awful and worthless

[twilit seal]

but its able to hit the rex right after actually

[twilit seal]

peak steg vs peak rex is not 80% at all, steg arguably has the advantage if its smart

[cosmic pelican]

Yeah ik about that, but its severely on the backfoot because of that still

I mean I dont mind, just wish prime rex wasnt as fast as it is

[steep otter]

40km/h in ambush speed is stupid

Dibble feels miserable currently

[frosty hinge]

I think a stego for not being a apex its way overpowered

Its way harder to fight a stego than a trike and it should be the other way

[dusky surge]

that's because trike is bad, not because stego is OP

stego has the tools to reliably defend itself frome threats, trike does not

[cobalt dagger]

Trotting is what I mean and he can regen it while trotting at 20% last I checked but if he's truly not able to like everyone else then that's good.

Also I'm pretty sure stego can swing when it has no stamina, but of course it can't do a running power swing due to that needing running.

[twilit seal]

No rex does not regen while trotting below 60% it just has a faster regen when its Z walking, and a slower regen when actually trotting, you can easily test that

Stego cannot power swing without stamina, only alts, again, very easy to test

[cobalt dagger]

I did test it, that's why I complained about it.

The slower regen while trotting below 60% stamina is something that so far as I know only Rex has, as every other species gets 0 no regen at all while actively trotting below 60% stamina.

Also in that screenshot and in that case I wasn't 0% stamina. It's a little hard to see but look at how much blue there is where my stamina bar is. I was about 20-30%.

[twilit seal]

yeah idk what kind of testing you did

wait wrong file format ill fix it

[cobalt dagger]

That looks like trotting, and I saw some regen ticks. Is that supposed to be z walking and I just can't tell the difference?

[twilit seal]

and idk what to tell you, you can just get on stego and spam tail swing and see that you can swing unless you dont have enough for a single swing, keep in mind body fracture inreases stam cost

[twilit seal]

thats trotting, thats why im not regenning stam

so yes, like all other species, rex also doesnt regen stam while trotting at below 60% stam

[cobalt dagger]

Ok look at the beginning of that video, right after you set it to 40 and you start trotting, one tick of regen happens soon which might be from standing for a sec, and then another tick happens after a bit of walking.

It doesn't happen again after that so it's very slow but there is a tick of regen there.

[twilit seal]

yeah because thats the regen i get from standing still lol

[cobalt dagger]

1 happens from standing and then a 2nd happens clearly after you have begun walking?

[twilit seal]

no other ticks happen while trotting, you can get a friend to go over spectator and just watch your stamina while you trot

[twilit seal]

because thats the tick from standing still, if rex was actually regening stam while trotting like youre imagining, do you think it would happen just once and stop for 30 seconds?

[cobalt dagger]

Depending on how incredibly slow they made it be, and the fact that the visual appearance of the bar doesn't update if increases or decreases are less than 1%, yeah.

I do think it could happen and then visually increase every say even 1 min or 2.

I also thought someone mentioned that this was an intended feature for Rex to make him an endurance hunter, to trot down prey when the ambush failed/That they intended this to be the case for rex.

[twilit seal]

Yeah the feature is that it regens more stam while walking not trotting, its trot regen is less than other playables, all other playables have the same regen rates while trotting

Like I said, you can just get a friend, tell them to stay in spectator, put your stam to 30%, and just trotting for an hour if you really want to see your theory

[cobalt dagger]

I already did? I was switching between rex and stego with that person I was testing with.

But while walking is still something I'm gonna complain about. Because if small, pin-able species sees the rex in time, runs away, and out stams the rex and doesn't get ambushed, then that's what they should do to survive.

If the rex is able to just walk them down and track them after that then I don't see how they are supposed to get to live. Most of the roster is able to be pinned by rex so this concept applies to many different creatures. Some, like teno, might have the lovely trot speed that they do which could permit them to survive, but certainly not all of them have teno's lovely trot speed.

[twilit seal]

Idk what to tell you, the only thing rex can actually trot down is stego and ofc trike, rest of the animals can get away (maybe aside from diablo). Rex literally regens less stam while trotting

I mean the devs dont listen to missinforming feedback anyway in balance so

[cobalt dagger]

Not sure why you keep telling me 'test this if you wanna see' when I already did my own testing and you showed me your's. I'm pretty sure it's the case that you in particular want me to repeat my tests.

Seen rexes trot down plenty of allo because their stam is bad.

There's more than one thing on that list of feed back and most people agree that rex is too good at killing small things as well as being too good at killing big things. Or even the point that omni raptor can't eat crabs but rex can. (why does rex eat crabs?...) There's plenty of things they can look at as well. Even when they do listen to feed back I think they more so get their own idea from what someone has suggested rather than copying it to a T, and I think the feedback channel largely exists for them to see how people feel and think.

Whether they listen or not is up to them, and it's up to me to choose to say what I think/feel, or not.

And up to you to respond to that with an x or a check when I do, and likewise everyone else.

[twilit seal]

Idc about the balance aspect rn, i was just correcting the random bs youre spewing in your feedback like stego glass bones making it not able to swing or rex regenning stam while trotting, I dont think you know how to test stuff if thats the result of your “testing”

People see stuff like that and start spreading missinformation, like 3 allo claws bleeding out a maia which is just false

[cobalt dagger]

I said glass bones made it more easily to be broken. I added 'I am unable to powerswing' as extra info implying it's caused by that but I don't know for sure if that's the reason why I couldn't powerswing. I guess I could edit it and say, 'I'm not sure if this is the reason but I am unable to powerswing.' However I don't really think that will make much difference.

I mean... In your test you showed me, your rex regenned?

Not much but it was there. Maybe somehow the server lagged and took a good 2 seconds of trotting for it to realize you were trotting but it doesn't make it clear.

[twilit seal]

its fine

[spiral ledge]

But I don’t see anyone saying that 5 maia stamps literally kills a allo

[pseudo ember]

💯

[hallow osprey]

the rex is too fast has too much life is too stong his other abilitys are too strong he break bones with ONE attack with one attack u have full bodyfracture, leg fracture he can beat everything and nothing can beat him

[golden tapir]

You don’t know what your talking about

Stego can absolutely demolish a Rex and trike not having a good time has been acknowledged by the devs and they’re going to do something about it

[scenic crystal]

I saw a lot of stego that died from rex with pin and it's not my opinion, there is no threat to rex now, maybe once you can kill rex but there is a small chance

The rex must be so weak that it would sneak up on you and do nothing.

[golden tapir]

I also saw a lot of Rexes die to stegos, and I saw the best stegos kill the best Rexes in admin servers constantly. And when crush bugs get fixed then trike will also be another threat to Rex. Rex will have to ambush trikes to win

[scenic crystal]

Yes, I see that stego is winning, that people keep writing that hitboxes don't work, stuns don't work, or if you have, say, a few tons of 6, you die from rex anyway, if he catches you, you're dead in 6 seconds

[golden tapir]

Yeah why wouldn’t you die? If a prime stego sees an adult Rex the Rex will die too. This is a hardcore survival game and if you have an issue with that then go play path of titans, I’m sure that game fits you better

[scenic crystal]

I have to get to prime stego and generally you can say that trike dies from rex when he passes through it, in the same way you will say when kentro comes out that rex pins him and he does not receive very strong bleeding damage??

The game needs to be balanced because with your way of thinking, you could create a Giganoto that will bleed so badly after two bites that you'll automatically bleed out. You're playing like that, which means you've wasted several hours and only got two hits from Giganoto. That's probably not cool.

[golden tapir]

We don’t know anything aboht kentro and I wouldn’t complain if 12 ton caught 3 ton dinosaur and pinned him. There’s nothing wrong with that. The Rex also has to get prime/adult so I don’t get your point. Everything has to grow

[scenic crystal]

Okay, you don't understand me.

[golden tapir]

Yeah you make no sense at all, I’m sorry but from what I’m seeing you don’t know what you’re talking about

[scenic crystal]

You don't understand, I forgive you.

[limber delta]

i mean lets be real the only dinos slow enough to get hit by giga several times will also be tanky enough to tank at least like 4+ bites worth of bleed

if they don't give it its own version of murder sprint though the matchup against rex is gonna make it unplayable

rex gets thrombosis mut and kills gigas on sight without challenge because giga can't dare approach it+rex trot isn't even very slow unlike in legacy

[golden coral]

@random stump I don't think group numbers should be based only on size/weight but also other things like design and immersion of the playable and so on. Seeing a massive horde of dilos for example might just not fit with the playable and how it works, nor would it neccesarily be needed for it to work.

[random stump]

im not asking for a massive horde of dilos, i am asking for a reasonable amount for them to actually hunt anything that isnt solo. what are 4 dilos ever going to do in a million years against SIX diablos?

whats allos limit, 3? what are 3 allos going to do against 6 diablos? what are 4 dilos going to do against 3 allos? I get why deino and rex have limits of 2, they have the power to reflect that, none of the other carnivores have limits reflecting their ability excluding like troodon and omni