balance-feedback-discussion

[elfin night]

It’s not fun for anyone involved other than the dopamine you get of actually lunging someone clueless who got too confident outside of a safe spot

[native urchin]

Yea, I’m sadly that guy usually: “no way there is a deino here, I’m fine”

[random stump]

just tell yourself they do not exist and be hydrodynamic cerato and swim across riverdelta constantly

worked for me

[elfin night]

I never trust it. Once you play this game enough, you just quit indulging bad habits and become so much more strategic. Which is like actually

The number one skill that people need to get is game sense. That is the pretty much only thing necessarily to get any elder consistently unless the playable sucks

You can be mechanically terrible and still get any prime elder

[random stump]

i mean its literally just "Hmm maybe i shouldnt walk into the single largest hotspot on the map" and you'll get prime on a server that has ai

no ai server its hard to get prime carnivore elders since you need to keep hunting players or scavenging around hotspots, but herbis its the same

[viscid mica]

I’m not saying it’s not hard but it certainly doesn’t make it to my top 3

[sullen dragon]

Yeah and that’s fine, we all have different experiences

[hasty coyote]

From what I have seen and played of rex, it has an abysmal baby state for a while where its just fodder, but it can just eat ai or scavenge too pretty much get past this entire stage with ease. Then it gets to an absolutely oppressive state at about 400kg - 2 tons for anything smaller than itself, while running away from anything other than carno (but only being on carno's menu for like 45 mins after the fodder state). Then you get to a point where you're fodder to adult rexes (because you're slower), but still put up a solid fight 1v1 against anything your size and pin smaller things. So the start is 100% one of the worst in the game, but once you get past it you're good for the most part.

Compare that to any other growth and you see rex does have many advantages over them. Trike and diablo do get past their complete fodder stage faster, but they stay incredibly weak for their size during their whole growth. Deino starts off even worse than rex, has more intraspecies conflict, and has less food options. Even after getting a bit larger it still has plenty of issues with actually finding a target, let alone a target in their size range. Then we have troodon, who spawns as a chicken nugget, has to get food asap, and is slower than a chicken. And after you finally find food and grow your troodon, you get a 60kg rat.

So while rex's growth does have difficulty, it has so many advantages while growing to compensate that many species never get.

[sullen dragon]

Yeah but I’ve noticed that Rex speed comes with a massive downside when he’s a juvie/growing to sub. And that is his stamina. Many people don’t take advantage of this to hunt juvie Rexes down and many people just look at the speed stats and nothing else and think juvie Rex can run away from anything, it can run away? Sure. Will it succeed? Not if the prey tracks it down. I genuinely have gotten tracked down as a juvie Rex so many times by ceras/raptors because of my terrible stamina. I can make distance but they always catch up after tracking me down and I’m left with 0 stamina and end up dying. Sub Rex has the issue of allos not just another adult Rex too.

[elfin night]

Hey guys

What a coincidence that they’re nerfing cera speed kinda like I said would be fine to do

At least from what Dondi said in general

[maiden temple]

It should be slower, there's no agrument there. It's a tanky body bully and it has been way too good at hunting and chase

About time it started filling its role .-.

#balance-feedback message
I miss the old stego swings tbh, it felt more fluid and took more skill to fight with. Especially against other stegos and deinos. I might just be a hater though

I didn't even notice the bleed was worse!

[viscid mica]

Fair

[elfin night]

Yeah it was BY FAR the most obvious choice to balance it out

Restricting charged bite and making it slower

Someone tried to argue this with me, but I genuinely wouldn’t mind if Cera were even like 1kph slower than an allo

It could still maybe outmaneuver and the difference is to tiny that an allo would have to get a basically perfect ambush before running out of stamina to keep the hunt going or the cera could reach the water

1kph is literally 27cm per second

[hasty coyote]

The fact that they have to track you down at all is a major advantage. Most growing dinos just get caught and die immediately.

[elfin night]

Allo better make a flawless ambush to catch a cera that starts running immediately

I think I did the math once

How much stamina does allo have? 2 minutes?

I haven’t played allo so I don’t know

[sullen dragon]

Could you give me an example of this? Stegos/trikes don’t have to run away and get tracked down since they’ll pretty much be at 3 tons 20 minutes after leaving sanc which is enough to take 90% of the roster on

[sullen dragon]

Around that yes

Cera still has more stam than allo

[elfin night]

Yeah but my point would be calculating how much distance would allo catch up to cera if cera were 36 and allo 37, just go prove how non impactful it would be to nerf cera to that extent

Allo burning through its whole stam would catch up less than 30 meters if both start running at the same time. Thats hysterical. You’re basically never catching it unless the cera is unaware or you make the cleanest ambush ever

[hasty coyote]

Because they adjusted the growth curves, they stay much weaker for much longer. They don’t stay as small as Rex for as long, but they stay weak for their weight, especially trike. So rex is small and too weak to fight, but able to run off and hide. They are too fat to hide, too weak to fight well, and too slow to even get away.

[sullen dragon]

At the end of the day they all have their advantages and disadvantages. Getting tracked down instead of not being able to run away has its advantages, sure, I’m just pointing out that just because Rex is faster than x, doesn’t mean he’ll be able to get away. Most people don’t know this. They just think since juvie Rex is faster than cera the cera basically will never catch the Rex but that’s not true

[sullen dragon]

Making the playable that has an auto win move, faster than the playable it’s pinning doesn’t seem like the brightest thing to do Ngl. Even body buff doesn’t save cerato from getting pinned

[elfin night]

What did I just write

It was also a worst case scenario

[viscid mica]

Respectfully if you are a juvi Rex even 2km faster than the adult cera and can’t burn through your stam and find a suitable bush to vanish into your just… not good? Like it’s not hard to find good hiding and if you are bad at stam management to a point you’re in a bad position yeah…

[sullen dragon]

No you remember how ceratos managed to track carnos down constantly? Now it happens to Rex instead of carno

It’s not a skill issue, you can’t do anything about it

[viscid mica]

Pay attention and start running before they get close enough to 1 hit you and 2 see where your prints where

It’s 100% a skill issue I’ve never been tracked down as a juvi Rex without being bleeding

[elfin night]

Raw speed isn’t the only thing to keep in mind because you are not running infinitely to for hours

If cera were to be nerfed to that point (which doesn’t have to), an allo would need to realistically approach it like 20 meters without the cera running away and hope there’s no water nearby. 20 meters is a ridiculously tiny distance in this game (less than 2 deinos put one in front of the other), so that should absolutely reward the allo for catching a clueless cera

[dawn cipher]

✋ Question, do footprints appear less/fade faster if you move more slowly?

[viscid mica]

No

[sullen dragon]

Well then explain the 6 times I got tracked down by ceras/raptors. I didn’t even get hit. I found a body, ate from it, cerato came over to the body, I ran, he proceeded to track me down. Has happened multiple times

[viscid mica]

Atleast not that I’m aware of

I find that if you aren’t bleeding or start running before they are close it’s very hard to catch a scent though

[elfin night]

Were you starting the chase with full stam?

[sullen dragon]

It’s very easy with the new scent ui. It’s so bright and the moment u smell squares light up that u can smell

[sullen dragon]

Yes I was a 800kg juvie Rex running at around 55-57kmh

[viscid mica]

Either of afew options

A they were close and found your prints as it’s easier when they know exactly where you were standing

Or

B cheaters especially less obvious ESPers try and fake tracking

Also note with the UI patch foot prints where obnoxiously easy to see so that too

[sullen dragon]

Yep they definitely found my footprints

[viscid mica]

Yeah accounting for how stupidly bright it is with the UI update and no fix it’s a lot easier

[maiden temple]

It's easy to track at night, during the day you have a higher chance to get away. Leaving 'fake' trails works well for me, going left and then right, then continue where you wanted to go. It can buy you a few mins to sit down

[dawn cipher]

100% helps to juke in random directions. If you go in a straight line you're much easier to track even if you have speed, while circling around elevated terrain or obstacles makes it more difficult for others to follow you even if they have your prints

[maiden temple]

Yees, terrain is the best thing to take advantage of

[viscid mica]

They need to patch footprints rn they are too bright and rewarding people with scents for barely knowing where the thing they wanna go after was standing is sloppy

[elfin night]

Was this the video people were talking about earlier? Matches quite well what was described of 3 allos killing a 6+ ton rex

I’m gonna do the hot take and say it was rex’s fault to die

[dawn cipher]

I agree. Half of carnis don't know how to track, but the other half might as well have ESP cheats

[viscid mica]

Bruh what 2 of them!?

[viscid mica]

Indeed

Esp is super common on HT

[elfin night]

before the video started, all stamina was gone, which made the pinning easier

was caught in the open when the water and hunger were reasonably full

engaged in a long animationcrush instead of playing defensive or going to the water and got punished for it

“Allo too unfair”

Sure the damage was bonkers but look at the details. Not as egregious as you might think

[viscid mica]

Tbf ya he shouldn’t have pinned there

[elfin night]

I think it was the stamina

[viscid mica]

Ya between the pounce stam that they burned from being on him in the cost of stamina for the crush to kill

[dawn cipher]

Yeah he only had ~20% at the start, which sucks for him. But allos can't pounce in water, yeah?

[viscid mica]

Shoulda left clicked or alt bites

[maiden temple]

Honestly I like stamina based pins, if I mess up this bad and end up with 0 stam.. Just eat me

[elfin night]

Made several bad choices

You only start realizing these things after you play this game and die many times…And then think about how it could be prevented

The guy made multiple mistakes and was punished for it. It might not feel good but honestly that feels warranted for the allos even if they did half of that damage

[viscid mica]

In fights like those I spam alt RMB and left click

[viscid mica]

Agreed

[maiden temple]

Also I love the alt snout whack the rex does, sending allo flying

[viscid mica]

But tbf the only mistake that mattered was crushing there

[elfin night]

I found the video on the subreddit. Maybe I could comment to get the negative karma of people who are salty

[viscid mica]

I mean, simply saying that he was wrong for crushing instead of getting a free left click and then moving back to the water or hitting another alt on one of the other ones isn’t wrong

[elfin night]

Nah think about it

There’s no reason to come out like that when you are 20kph fast sub rex while your hunger and thirst are full

If it didn’t walk around like it owned the place, that rex would have never had to fight 4 allos

[viscid mica]

Even at 6 tons, he’s doing like a fourth or a fifth of their health every bite

[viscid mica]

To be completely fair, I would’ve been walking around at that size picking fights with big allo groups

The only difference is I’m not using crush until it’s one left

I’m getting my fat butt I’m that water and spamming alt RMB

[viscid mica]

Oh ew what is his stamina

Aight that’s mistake #2

Don’t waste stam running if your that low

@random stump you and me agreeing on stuff is getting weird who are you and what have you done with the fsh that blocked everyone who downvoted him!

[elfin night]

To me it’s three as I said

And I made the post in the subreddit. Ready to be hated on by scrubs

[viscid mica]

Fair

[viscid mica]

Kek real

I mean for him it’s also 3 I guess if your not competent enough to mind your stam and not crush on that headbutt yeah

[elfin night]

1. Crush in the middle of a group. This is something nearly all bad rexes do which is just trying to desperately pick a kill while the rest of the pack mauls you

2. Very poor stamina management, in a way that even if he didn’t get pinned, he was just a walking target to get bled out in the open

3. Caught in the open away from the water and foliage as a 20kph rex. Dunno what was his plan if two stegos or an elder rex spotted him

[elfin night]

People really need to learn how nearly all deaths are your fault

Because you also decide to put yourself in a situation where you can be attacked

[viscid mica]

This is a good point

[elfin night]

Didnt oingo make a video about this too?

[elfin night]

That’s what I put basically in the comment

[viscid mica]

Only deaths I don’t count as my fault are hackers and blatant ones

[viscid mica]

Maybe?

[elfin night]

Yeah I don’t consider those my fault

But for instance, this one was 100% preventable because the guy chose to engage in that fight

He burnt through all of his stam and was left completely exposed and without the crush if he needed it

[valid robin]

Idk I think with the new prime system the number of wildly unbalanced matchups has hugely increased

[viscid mica]

It was still winnable just over all he played it poorly

[viscid mica]

Elaborate?

[elfin night]

And the title of the post is “allo broken”

Broski, in that situation, even omnis would have stood a chance to kill you

[viscid mica]

True

[valid robin]

If you’re a sub apex and a prime apex sees you, you die

[viscid mica]

Real

[elfin night]

I don’t know what was his plan if he was caught like that and suddenly an elder rex decided to intervene in the fight after he was out of stamina, bleeding and with two allo corpses if he could somehow skill his way out of that

[viscid mica]

Yeah they need to change some speed values around and like stop boosting elder speed down or up from reg adult

A sub Rex should be able to out trot or sprint a adult

[valid robin]

I died twice past 65% cause I was like chilling east coast and then a prime apex just appeared

[viscid mica]

Yeah but tbf you also can’t always account for this when your getting swarmed

[viscid mica]

My usual play is run as far as possible find a bush and safe log

[valid robin]

I tried this but failed both times

[viscid mica]

Unlucky

They musta been pretty close

[valid robin]

The prime stego was just faster than me so that one was completely cooked

[elfin night]

Well yes you can

You just treat stamina like a resource and don’t burn it whole

I can barely think of cases where it is not unwise to press a hunt or fight once you are below 50% stamina

[viscid mica]

Prime stego being faster is diabolical

[elfin night]

Maybe some playables like Herrera can get away with it, but rex or carno? Not at all

[viscid mica]

But what if you don’t get to decide to press or maintain the fight?

The being with speed picks

[elfin night]

Well then I would have to check it, although choosing not to engage and not showing yourself in the open are good ways to substantially decrease the chances of you being swarmed by things that want to force the engagement

especially knowing allo just came out and half of the players are using it

[viscid mica]

Yes but some times you can’t pick

You can always make sure you have stamina and all that

Sometimes they just find you

Especially when your that big

[short jolt]

evrima-us servers seem to have non-stop thunderstorms. Not sure if it's all servers, but it's almost unplayable on server 3. I don't remember there being thunderstorms this frequently before the update.

[viscid mica]

They do this a lot with weather put a #general-feedback in trust me your not alone

[valid robin]

Ngl I this isn’t the first time I remember this happening on an HT branch with all the storms I think the devs like to test them or something

[maiden temple]

Weather was changing rapidly on eu servers this week, luckily it was between sunny and rain only lol

[dusky surge]

a crush cancel would've lead to a fracture, disabling a threat and saving stam for the other few

[elfin night]

The guy complaining in R/THEISLE (lmaoao) with the clip is showm already at 15% stam at best. He was pretty much dead already

it’s so funny how his whole point isjust trying to dodge all comments showing it ishis fault for abysmal resource management and game sense

and all he says is “OMG ALLO SO BROKEN TWOSHOULDNT PIN MY NO STAM 6 TON REX”

as if death was avoidable at that point where they can bite you to death or use solo pounce to bleed you out

@dusky surge here it is https://www.reddit.com/r/theisle/comments/1owgri5/broken_allo/ please watch the clip. It is hilarious

and then the comments

it’s bad design to have a sub rex make multiple fatal mistakes and be punished for it

I also made my comment there (roidrager)

[thorn mountain]

that clip is too good

they deleted my comment LOL

[elfin night]

lmao what did you say

[thorn mountain]

I just said its on them pretty much

[elfin night]

it is also perfect to show how game sense carries. None of that would have happened if the rex didnt try to run around in the open and waste all stam fighting allo packs as a subadult

[elfin night]

i said the same but no comments yet

[viscid mica]

Type of player who’d be running a PvP server but can’t actually survive in survival because things other than 1v1 combat prowess matter

[dusky surge]

remember when legacy made a ton of specific rules so that rex wouldn't lose because it was a purely 1v1 oriented animal lmao

[viscid mica]

Real 🤣

[dusky surge]

rex is still the 1v1 champ, but in EVRIMA, he actually HAS tools to fight groups too, but you need more skill for that

[viscid mica]

I mean with alt rmb Rex is the greatest 1vany apex now

Unless spoon gets a tail wipe or something

[viscid mica]

So true

I mean I’d say trike is better 1v1 assuming it’s same skill and it’s a face off

[sullen dragon]

Only can mid tier groups really

Anything stego and above if it’s more than a 1v1 he won’t win

[slim dragon]

Woah rex cannot solo groups of other apexes ?
That's crazy

[dusky surge]

there's nothing wrong with that tho, again, rex is meant to excel in 1v1s specifically

[elfin night]

Spoon getting a parry

[elfin night]

Buff rex to do make the crush do splash damage in a large area

Also it’s gonna be so funny when people get mad that there are herbis which have no choice but to do exactly that

Anky and cama mainly

[slim dragon]

It doesn't need that
It just needs to restore a percentage of its max health and stamina when hitting a target so it can stay in the fight for longer

[elfin night]

It needs a passive, and then abilities for the Q, W, E and R keys like a league champion

[slim dragon]

What would be rex's ultimate ability ?

[elfin night]

A point and click ability that allows it to become cc immune as it rushes towards the selected target, dealing additional percentage based true damage and gaining permanent max health on an execution. If it kills the target, most of the stamina cost is refunded and the cooldown is decreased

[slim dragon]

Maybe a powerful AOE roar that stuns all enemies around it (frozen in terror) and gives rex a temporary damage boost for each target hit

[elfin night]

That would be the E

And the passive should be called “kind of the dinosaurs”, which makes it so that Rex deals extra damage and fracture on the first hit, while also slowing down a hit target for two seconds

[slim dragon]

I wonder how you're still not a dev at this point

[elfin night]

In fact

The damage bonus should be magic damage

Anyways yeah rex should be duelist and definitely not winning against groups of other apexes unless they are herbivores

The indominus killing a sauropod herd is realistic

[spiral ledge]

100 coments crying because that guy lost all his stam and crying because he doesn’t know how to fight lmao

[elfin night]

Are you with the guy or think he’s got a serious skill issue?

You got my comment to consider right there where I list all of his flaws if you disagree

[spiral ledge]

Furthermore, he's insulting people and blaming the game because he doesn't know how to fight.

[spiral ledge]

Skill issue 100%%%%

[elfin night]

Based

[faint quail]

they started perfectly, then tried to pin a knocked allo when one was lining up a pounce and another came in. no clue what they were thinking, but even with zero stam they could have done a lot better

[elfin night]

Honestly, if anything the game would be poorly balanced if he could get away with so many mistakes

Especially ON REX

[elfin night]

I agree with almost everything except the first phrase

The start already told me the guy was dead even if he was fighting like 3 diablos or 2 non fg stegos

Out in the open without any way to hide or get a defensive position, and most of his stam depleted well beyond any reasonable metric

Anyways I’m gonna make an allo pounce suggestion

[faint quail]

good point, i was moreso thinking about the allo that got knocked, but yeah completely out of position

[elfin night]

He had no reason to be there in the open field with his food and water completely full. What was his plan to catch anything as a 20kph rex out in the open and knowing full well allo packs are half of the server?

[spiral ledge]

In Spanish, this means I don't give a damn that he doesn't have stamina; this is the description of the Reddit post.

[elfin night]

I’ve read it

The post is originally English but it auto translates

[spiral ledge]

A

Xdddd

[elfin night]

Yeah it happened to me cuz I also talk Spanish

But yeah that guy was a scrub who got punished for trying to (most likely) chase an allo in the open with his amazing 20kph maximum speed, burn through his stam and have zero plans whatsoever when more allos began showing up either because one was talking in chat or due to the noise

[spiral ledge]

He though he would be deathless , and anyone can’t kill him but 3 allos of 3t can do it

[elfin night]

I was thinking about suggesting some changes to make allo pounce different to omni and make more sense with a creature like that

[spiral ledge]

Me i am a big fan of allo and he will be my main in addition to carno , but allos hunt should be based on skill not in a click for sure and with rex the same

[slim dragon]

What changes ? Lifesteal ? True damage ? Critical chance ?

[elfin night]

Radiation

And bonus magic damage

Now jokes aside, I was thinking about allo maybe slowing down the attacks of opponents to make up for it being less agile than omni and perhaps some other passive trait for bleed and hunting large things

[hallow hinge]

I kinda agree but not for omni.
Raptors don't have high hp or massive bite dmg or speed soo for like if i slam a galli, after it got up it would kick me till am dead or carno could flee easyly it would make population unbalanced soo if u are fast and big enough from first attack like carno and galli they will survive but if ur slower then u will be dead soo there will be unbalanced population.

[hasty coyote]

1: you can make the cool down between pins not that long, so if the galli or whatever tried to stay and fight, you just pin it again and it dies
2: you can make the bleed from the pin enough to kill the target if they just kept running, so they would have to stop relatively soon and hope their hiding spot was good enough.

[hallow hinge]

so what about they chose to flee?

like cera or slow dinos will be killed but carnos or faster dinos cannot be

soo it would make carno population more nd more

[hasty coyote]

Like I just said, bleed stops them from getting too far. And even if they do go far, they're bleeding heavily. So they won't be able to regen stam any time soon and you have a literal trail of blood pointing to them.

[hallow hinge]

then it must bleed massive

then its ok

[hasty coyote]

as you said, omni is small, it doesnt need to do that much to make a running target bleed out if it was able to pin it in the first place.

[hallow hinge]

or they can do that too, they will give raptor more bleed damage and bite speed after smash them which will deal good amount of bleed and with a few bite it can be cool

[hasty coyote]

though I'm unsure of exact numbers, but that can easily be done through balance testing.

[hasty coyote]

I'm just saying they keep the current pin, but make it so that the omni lets go after X duration, where X would be enough to kill most very small things and bleed out anything it can pin, but not flat out kill similarly sized dinos with the pin alone.

I think that would be easier to manage than to turn pins into a knockdown

[hallow hinge]

yeah can be

but i am sure that rex and allo pin and pounce is too much

they must be removed

[hasty coyote]

I think they could also be balanced similarly, where they only do a set amount before letting go, and doing major bleed for allo and making rex's apply a body fracture instead of a leg. So they still keep a heavy attack with high impact for ambushes, that they can used to then further track down the target if its too big to 1-tap, but not just have the move be a "I hit you once, GG no RE"

[hallow hinge]

for allo instead of pin it can be lunch claw attack which makes prey bleed and make them slower a bit

[hasty coyote]

they def could be reworked and work better, but the main issue would just be the fact they would have to remake or scrap animations. So thats generally less likely to happen

[hallow hinge]

they maybe can add grapple system like if prey is big enough

after the lunch they can latch for like 4 sec

ahhh naa allo shouldn't do anything like that

[haughty grotto]

@feral hazel rex can only pin targets less than 73% of its weight, unless the target has very low stam/blood/health.
Pin is currently fine as is after the nerfs.
You underestimated the rex.

[feral hazel]

Thats way too high

[haughty grotto]

I would disagree.
Anything that weighs less than 73% can easily outrun, outflank, outstam

[feral hazel]

Two similary sized animals shouldnt have free win button

[haughty grotto]

For allo that number is 65%

[feral hazel]

Between them

It should be a risk that u can take while having a disadvantage, not certain death cuz a slightly larger animal pressed rmb

[haughty grotto]

Gotta change pretty much the entire game then
Nerf every single herbi knockdown and stun

[feral hazel]

I dont mind. The game is way too CC heavy

Combat feels less and less engaging as time goes on.

The game will turn into garbage before it can be finished

[haughty grotto]

Yeah I agree.
But don't target just pin.

The problem has been there for years. Nobody gave a crap about the herbi dominance oneshotting and stunlocking.

You want change, make it universal.

Until then, pin should stay as is

[hallow hinge]

i agree without pinning herbs way too strong

but as carni vs carni its kinda unbalanced

[feral hazel]

As I said I don't mind a general rework for CC. Like how can a legacy fight be more engaging is beyond me. Pins,stuns etc. Way too heavy in this game

[faint robin]

Herbi stunlock is already gone mate, calm down
Nobody gave a crap cuz herbi is not running you down in most cases

[sullen dragon]

Herbis are still over powered Ngl. I’m glad we’re getting some carnis to help balance the eco system

[maiden temple]

It will never be balanced, most players play carnis so making herbis even less attractive to play is silly

[haughty grotto]

Rex and allo aren't running down anyone smaller than them either, except rare encounters if they're prime
What is your point?

[maiden temple]

How people see tail riding as more engaing is beyond me. That combat was so boring and cheesy. Rexes biting people with their ass and looking up and down rapidly to manipulate your hitbox being a must to do well

I think it's just nostalgia, nothing more

[haughty grotto]

Oh yeah, there is no freaking way legacy comes anywhere close to this
I would rather have a ton of cc and pins than that absolute crap of a tailriding bite system

[faint robin]

Murder sprint on rex runs down a lot of stuff
Not counting young rexes.
Allo is indeed running down things like dibble

[faint robin]

Well now we have rex pinning you and next 10 seconds you watch your hp going down till youre in select screen

[haughty grotto]

Ambush is a 10 sec ability. Its used to ambush, not to run down.
Allo can run down dibble but not pin it.

So u got no point there either

[faint robin]

2 allos pin a dibble and still run it down
Rex also runs a lot w murder sprint
Not counting young rexes which can still pin and fracture things with the speed of a proper midtier

I'll say legacy gameplay is way more interactive then evrima HT rn.

Yeah it's full of cringe bugs but you at least properly interact with others, not watch your 6 hours of life dying because pin/fracture

[maiden temple]

Hard disagree, it was awful and starting over was the best call ever

[faint robin]

It was awful but more interactive, than evrima HT rn 🙂

[maiden temple]

I don't like pins either, they can be utilised better, but combat is infinitely better and it's really not comparable

[faint robin]

I can't call 10 second of watching your dinosaur die because a bunch of allos pinned it "combat"

Evrima combat was better before they added pin slop

Evrima public rn for example

[maiden temple]

I can't judge this because it's in HT and not balanced out enough yet, I'm sure allo will change at least twice before it's finally decent lol

[faint robin]

Rex was already changed and is still a pin fracture slop autowinner

[maiden temple]

Yup, still needs some changes

I wonder how pins could even be balanced well tbh, I want them to make sense as much as deino grab does

Maybe making it more conditional, like catch someone sitting to pin, or only under xx% stamina but this one would make it easier for raptor/allo and harder for rex so yh

It would be nice to see carnis use anything other than 'I'll just run at you now' to hunt for sure. Being followed around until I burn enough stamina or sit down, and then getting jumped sounds more exciting.
Dilo groups do this sometimes, they hang around until it's night time or until I'm far enough from rocks to maximise the chances of securing a kill

Most everything else just runs at you face first once they spot you, or just make a ton of noise in general so you're prepared to avoid or engage. Can't change how players play but they can be given tools to utilise a different approach ig

[golden coral]

What with alt turn, tailriding wasn't that much of a concern, not that I can recall at least. So not sure why we're referring to "tailriding bite" in legacy when there was literally a mechanic introduced to deal with that. With that said, legacy was quite lacking in other ways to say the least.

[steep gazelle]

Ambush should function the same as legacy, or at least similarly. Ambush is currently just a speed boost that can be used at any time and without any need to activate it, It can be used during an intense fight to overcome the opponent's speed, rather than being used for an actual ambush

I hope Allo doesn't have an ambush

[haughty grotto]

It is combat.
Combat that requires situational awareness prior to getting pinned.

You complain about a 10 second pin cutscene.
I complain about 10 million second biting cutscene.
We are in different universes.
I would rather grow a dino, have it pinned, grow again 20 times over than play a single dinosaur life of legacy with how terrible that combat was.

[golden coral]

That's what ambush was in legacy though, except now you don't have to crouch for x seconds to activate it. That if anything was silly and shouldn't be a thing. But you did use it during fight in legacy, and it looked as silly as it sounds.

Though the entire concept of "ambush speed" is a bit dumb, if you ambush properly, you don't need a speed boost

If anything it should just be a instant accel instead perhaps, rather than extra speed

[faint robin]

Watching your dinosaur die is not combat. Legacy was way more interactive

[haughty grotto]

It doesn't have ambush. I agree allo doesn't need it. But rex absolutely does.

Ambush is a one time tool only. You can use it during a fight, to escape, or ambush, but that's it, you gotta pick. So I agree with them taking away the silly goofy crouching

[steep gazelle]

used it during the fight, but not during an intense fight where you needed to move

[golden coral]

Rex does not need ambush no

What is with this idea that you need a bunch of mechanics to aid you when you literally just need to properly hide and get close enough to catch something unawares

[haughty grotto]

It is combat.
I guess you're usually on the losing, unaware side that wants to be able to escape any encounter and not have their death secured.

[faint robin]

Combat is when both opponents interact with each other
Pin slop is basically 1 press button other watch itself die

[golden coral]

I guess it depends on the fight, but I've seen far too many situations of things just crouching at each other

[haughty grotto]

If you don't know how to interact with pin, that is a major skill issue and your own personal problem

[golden coral]

But the entire concept of ambush speed is just silly, and just a crutch

[faint robin]

You don't interact with pin, you watch your dinosaur loosing hp.

[haughty grotto]

And I am sick of hearing unskilled players blame the game rather than improve their awareness and gameplay.
Go reset your legacy mentality and learn evrima.

[golden coral]

If you can't ambush things without an extra speed boost, that's a skill issue and your own personal problem?

[keen plover]

And what does trike do? It's the same thing from both sides 😭

[haughty grotto]

It's a confusing double convo. No I'm not talking about ambush.
I'm referring to the other guy

[faint robin]

Trike is very bad at kill confirming

[golden coral]

Oh okay, never mind then. I apologize.

[faint robin]

So you call me unskilled cuz I can't do anything pinned?👏

[golden coral]

Would be more fun with more engaging combat, but well, can't have fun combat I guess

[golden coral]

No, because you're not paying attention and getting pinned in the first place

[haughty grotto]

I think you have no idea how to deal with it, how to make yourself situationally aware, how to use the dozens of ways the game gives you to counter pin, since you seem to complain this much.

[golden coral]

And to be honest, there's a point there, I could ambush people in progression with an endurance based rex

[faint robin]

Trike can't avoid pin so as dibble vs 2+ allos

[golden coral]

If you see the rex coming, you can't avoid it anyway?

[faint robin]

I dislike autowin moves some dinosaurs are "good enough" to get and others don't

[faint robin]

As trike no

[golden coral]

Why not, you can't block it, or otherwise prevent it?

Does sparring and such not work?

[faint robin]

Rex fractures trike in 3 crushes

Well sometimes 4

[golden coral]

What happens if the rex attempts crush while you attempt something like thrash?

[steep gazelle]

That's why not everyone should have an ambush. Ambush has the same cooldown as now, if not longer, and lasts the same amount of time, but it also requires you to remain crouched for a certain amount of time to activate it, like in Legacy, and also increase the stamina drain. With this, ambush would truly become an ambush skill, requiring conscious use instead of simply pressing a key and running to the other

[haughty grotto]

If you walk around solo like a big herbivore with an "I'm invincible" mindset the way you did in 2023 when there was no threat, you WILL complain about pin.

If you go in with a mindset with awareness, if you don't venture solo into dangerous territory where you know carni packs commonly hang around, if you have a buddy next to you, if you navigate in defensive favorable terrain, YES you can absolutely counter pin.

You just want to be able to escape after it's too late and you failed all the checkmarks. You want the coordinated carnis to be punished and your laziness to be forgiven.

Nope, sorry. You need to walk around the map now knowing that there are REAL threats that can take down large creatures. And playing like you did in 2023 will lead to death.

[faint robin]

If you thrash as trike vs rex - youre basically dead
Rex gets behind and bye bye

[golden coral]

Okay, yes that would help, I think people wanted that even back in legacy. But I'll stand by that you don't need ambush speed boost in the first place. With good playable and map design, you'll be able to well, properly ambush. Look at herrera, or well, honestly any playable can ambush, even if they're not designed for it. You could even just have a lunge like deino, but well, rex crush where it does move forward as it attacks.

[faint robin]

Rex spamming crush is not a coordinated carni
Nor allo megapacks spamming pounce

[golden coral]

Right but, this is assuming you see the rex, enter spar mode, and simply keep facing it

[haughty grotto]

It's very easy for you to dismiss other players efforts.

I think you haven't ONCE played a fg rex or been in an allo pack.
You absolutely need to be coordinated or you get oneshot. If you miss anything, you die. If your target has a friend, you die.

Stop undermining the effort it takes to actually secure a kill.

[steep gazelle]

Yeah, maybe. I don't know if Rex would do very well without Ambush, but probably yes

[faint robin]

You can't cc it, so your every attacks basically stops you in place giving rex time to go behind
Not counting rex can also fracture trike in the face.
Trike can only spar lock rex which is bug

[golden coral]

Maybe not right now, but you could absolutely make it work. Again, if I could successfully, repeatedly, ambush back in prog when rex was very slow, and "specced" for endurance hunting, you can make it work. You could ambush in legacy even without the speed boost (since rex for some reason had a very fast normal run too for well, a rex)

It's more so a matter of map design and ability to have good hiding spots with a high likelyhood of players coming by

[faint robin]

Allo pack oneshot by what? Trike? Allo needs to be blind to die like that
Stop saying carni slop is coordinated or take skill to play as

[golden coral]

But then again, what with migrations, the devs do seem to not want people to be able to actually stay around at places, for good and ill

[golden coral]

You have no attacks you can use while on the move? Can you block in spar stance, does that do anything extra?

[faint robin]

Carnis are disgustingly overabundant even before rex came out
You just glaze carnis because they were under big daddy triceratops' horn for some time

[golden coral]

I'd at least rather work on other aspects than give an arbitrary speed boost as a crutch

[faint robin]

Poor things ig :(((

[haughty grotto]

Ok
I'm done with this convo

Delete rex and allo 💯

[golden coral]

No need to go that far, but the entire concept of pins could use a rework, it's not the most engaging

[faint robin]

Trike has 1 attacks it can use while moving in all directions which is basic headbutt (kinda useless)
Or running flip but only if you run straight

[golden coral]

Doesn't the basic attack do a lot of damage?

[faint robin]

Idk about block tho but I heard nothing reduces fracture

[golden coral]

Plus your defensive frill, if you could just keep the rex in front, it should struggle at least a bit

Is fracture based on damage or is it its own value?

[faint robin]

Nah add more pin slop carnivores so big bad triceratops and stegosaurus suffer more (carnis are already overpopulated in every dinosaur game)

[golden coral]

Like how bleed is based in part on damage (and other factors) but also has multiplier I believe, or had

[faint robin]

Idk if anything reduce fracture

[golden coral]

Stego just needs to be brought up to proper apex level, but alas, no can do

[faint robin]

Herbivores should play prey simulator as carni glazers want

[golden coral]

No, and to be fair, that's not what Esbi is arguing either, no need to exaggerate it

You can make pins and such work, but it might not be the best or most fun option

[faint robin]

I don't get how dare they yap at herbis with cera being present with out any nerfs for like a few years

[golden coral]

Just like how you never needed them, things worked without pins and such as well, it can go either way

[faint robin]

I agree pins are not vital
I also don't think faster creatures like allo should pin
Im fine with rex pinning things up to maia cuz if you missed rex as those - you deserve to die
But in no way rex should pin or fracture trike

[golden coral]

I think it should probably do one or the either, but not both

[faint robin]

Both are atrocious and autowin for rex

[golden coral]

Either a pin for raw damage, letting it get the upper hand on the trike, or fracture for making the trike more vunerable, thus making the fight easier

[faint robin]

Why should trike loose like 2k hp in a rex fight cuz rex pins you on low hp?
Why should trike loose all it's attacks after 4 hits because fracture?

Trike's strongest attack (thrash) is not only very very situational but also very very easy to fumble and missclick with those terrible controls

[golden coral]

Granted, if the sparring worked properly, that would be maybe a good way to do it, where perhaps wounded status could affect it, and make it easier for the opposition to break through

[golden coral]

Oh yeah, the controls could perhaps use some adjustments

[faint robin]

I always said thrash shouldn't be that easy to missclick for how situational it is
Trike and dib should get their controls revisited

Some getting used to it doesn't mean it's a good control decision. It's obvious thrash is too easy to missclick

I also dislike trike posture with its neck and spine broken and forelimbs breaking while running but as Kissen said it won't even change cuz "spar with rex" (thx for breaking it's anatomy just for it to spar with rexie)
Also look at it's hind legs during spar shifting
Or side running
It's just disgusting

It's moving like a toy horse, not a 9-12 ton animal

[golden coral]

Yeah well, stego gallops, and I'm sure other playables have their weird moments too

[faint robin]

Stego at least do it realistically kinda, it looks great
Trike has its legs all over the place like a bow legged dog
And broken spine when standing

It's very dissapointing to see trike failed like this, esp compared to rex

Dibble is also tad better
Trike is just a bow legged failure

[maiden temple]

I also hate how it looks

Dibble is very bouncy, it looks right for its speed and size

[dusky surge]

i just think if you made it only activate from full stamina, that'd be a far more simple and natural system than a forced crouch which, imho, is very silly

[hallow hinge]

lol as a prime raptor i just chased by cera and killed 😄 thnx devs for that insanely logical balance

[twilit seal]

I mean tbh on dibble or trike i never really accidentally thrash, it happens to panicking players

Did you see the new trike changes (i guess not that new) but attacks are super fast now

[twilit seal]

I mean i personally think trike, rex and allo all are kinda low quality animation wise compared to rest of the roster, or rather more “incomplete”

[faint robin]

Yeah saw that, cool change

[faint robin]

True af

Makes sense for rex and allo but trike is like already on live

[dusky surge]

@shy ember #balance-feedback message

"Horrible bleed res, slow swim speed, low bite force, fast stamina drain, etc"

Carno has standard bleed res, it's no weaker to bleed than a rex, an omni or a maia, or most other creatures in this game

Its swim speed is slow, but that doesn't realy matter, and several other animals are significantly slower

Its bite force is pretty standard for its weight and don't really matter given its designed to nuke smalls

It has more stam than a cerato

Also it has a tool to survive everything the game could ever add

It's fast as hell

[shy ember]

Run away simulator? That’s not fun for anybody that isn’t playing as a dryo. It should be able to fight back if it doesn’t have any other option, unless it is severely outweighed(like a high-tier/apex)

Those weaknesses that I put on were just from what I remember, though that’s probably because I kept getting jumped by gangs of like 12+ raptors and dilos as a solo carno(horrible luck due to having no friends </3), so I expected to be corrected on some things

[dusky surge]

"run away simulator"

yes, you will have to run from things bigger and stronger than you, you can't take every fight, and being able to "fight back when it has no other option"

its option is running, it runs very fast, this game is balanced around that which you cannot flee, you must be able to fight, and vice versa

carno can flee everything, so it doesn't need to fight everything

nothing can flee a carno without great speed and agility, so they should be able to fight a carno consistently

i hate the concept that because you can't fight everything, you're just a dryo (as if being a dryo is somehow a bad thing lmao)

[shy ember]

I agreed with you on that point

Things that outweigh a carno should force it to run away, obviously, that’s life. But I’m not referring to that. I’m talking about creatures in similar weight classes that are simply better at head to head combat.

Also the dryo thing was just a joke, I don’t actually think that carno should be able to kill EVERYTHING. I just think it should be able to pack a little bit more of a punch for its weight class

It can keep everything else about it, it should just stand a little bit more of a chance against other creatures close to its size

[slim dragon]

What else is in its weight class ? Cerato, who is both designed to take on things much larger than itself AND overtuned ? Teno, who is the best all-rounded brawler in the game ?
Do you really think carno should be on those levels, while also being the fastest predator in the game ?

[shy ember]

The intent wasn’t to make carno overtuned like cerato or to make it as good a brawler as teno.

The intent was simply to make the fights fairer between them, and also to prevent carno from being losing to power creep.

The change is minimal, but it would help carno be able to look at something and actually think about taking it on or not, rather than just avoiding it till the next juvi comes along.

[dusky surge]

not even just the fastest predator in the game, the fastest predator the game will ever have

[shy ember]

It being fast is definitely a plus, and I’m not saying that it’s useless. It’s just a worry that i have for a lot of creatures in similar situations such as omni

“Why play this when I can play this and have higher chance of success?”

[golden coral]

Because you enjoy the critter, and because success is survival

[dusky surge]

carno honestly HAS one of the highest chances of success in the entire game

giant megamixpack? not your problem, you escape

something vulnerable and an easy kill? you can easily catch and kill it

nothing will ever have what carno has

[slim dragon]

The latest changes to carno actually made me want to try it and I honestly enjoyed it
Despite being disgusted by the animal since the beginning of evrima

[shy ember]

Yes, nothing will ever have what carno has and that is also a strength in and of itself. The fact that it can simply run from its problems and run to its goals.

Maybe i have to play carno again for the ht and pray that the game doesn’t roundhouse kick me to get a better view on it

[maiden temple]

It dominates in the area they wanted it to dominate in, which is murdering all smalls. The game has a constant influx of baby/adol animals and they are not getting away, even when surrounded by their family you can still pick smalls out in many cases

Especially since it's hard to hide from unless they roar like maniacs or chatter a lot. It's on the lighter side noise wise and it's fast so there's not much planning you can do to hide on the spot

I can always hear a cera or a dilo, usually hear raptors call and chatter but a carno is just.. It wasn't there a second ago and now it is

Bless all the rocks I can climb

#balance-feedback message I find this funny, you're playing a survival game but seeing someone get hunted makes you want to risk your own life to help. NAHHH

That's not very survival of you

Even if the group was not packing together, there's a high chance the person that was hunted would look for a way to get out and live, leaving you to be their dinner instead

[eager saddle]

On the other hand, finding packmates and mates is part of survival

[sullen dragon]

?

He’s complaining about the mixpack, that’s what matters here. Besides if I see my own species getting hunted by something else I sure damn as hell jumping in to help them, why wouldn’t you? It’s a GAME. In games you play to have fun, not walking simulator

[viscid mica]

But it’s still hardcore survival dying to a bad decision is still your own fault

Mixpacking or not

[maiden temple]

Not straight away no, I'll watch and then decide if our combined odds could provide us more food/safety. The priority is my own survival (or my babus if I have them), then everyone else

[elfin night]

my job with allo is done

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-iron-man-rdj-robert-downey-jr-gif-14889389

[elfin night]

My job is NOT done 💔

[elfin night]

@pliant solstice getting a free stun alongside a near death sentence in no AI/AI scarce servers and higher impact to your bleed isn’t enough for you? 🥀

Cera needs nerfs if anything, and it’s getting some soon

Also gang

#balance-feedback message

imagine rex no stam cost left click doing more damage than a stego alt attack

1800 damage headshot

[maiden temple]

#balance-feedback message
Bacteria bite doesn't change the fight at all
This is a cera main if I ever seen one

[slim dragon]

You win without it (because of cera's busted stats) and you still win with it
Therefore, they're right, it changes nothing to the fight

[maiden temple]

if you put it that way

[maiden temple]

Whoever might really think vomiting at the beginning of the fight isn't affecting the fight - it forces a time limit on how long the target has before it starts taking damage over time from thirst and/or hunger. This sways priorities for the target and often makes people panic/try to rush a fight all of which is in your favour

I remember ceras taking it slow and killing stegos with patience, now it seems everyone just runs around and bites, my fights with ceras end before my thirst is gone and they're biting dust most of the time

Not complaining though, it's convenient lol

#balance-feedback message

I love the 'arms out' idea

Allo preparing to hug you to death

[elfin night]

Cera buff requests are such unhinged feedback these days

And over the past 1-2 years

[frosty heron]

Imagine crush doing a whopping 1k damage on activation and getting yourself stunned into stuff that cannot get pinned , oh wait , it actually happens

Bitteforce doesnt need a damage buff , crush does

It could work to actually do less damage per tick on pinned targets but that would just increase the stamina cost to finish off people which isnt really a solution

[dusky surge]

crush doesn't need more damage, it's already incredibly good with the amount of utility it provides

only looking at damage numbers is dismissing literally everything else it does

[elfin night]

Nah man

One fracture and they’re cooked

I love the new name

[dusky surge]

or if you lower their health enough to get them to pin range

[elfin night]

How much fracture damage it does?

I have only played rex once in my life and all prey got instantly pinned and died

[dusky surge]

no idea, i cant tell you

[elfin night]

Enough to fracture something like another rex maybe?

[dusky surge]

it can fracture trikes

[elfin night]

then it’s nuts

[dusky surge]

and one pin basically instafractures stuff like allos

[elfin night]

Dunno why would I ever want anything else when I can knock over stegos, fracture trikes and pin things down for 3k damage

[frosty heron]

To fracture a Trike you need to crush it 3 times

[elfin night]

Oh okay

That makes more sense lol

[dusky surge]

so it only takes 3 hits to effectively win the fight

so buffing the damage is just overkill

[elfin night]

To hit prime elder in my first try I went super realistic and the only trikes I hunted were juveniles

[frosty heron]

And honestly relying on my prey to make 3 big mistakes is not the way to go with the biggest of the apex carnivores in my opinion , crush doing 1k damage now is such a joke

Considering the Trike matchup which in fact can also spar lock Rex which is stupid

[elfin night]

I don’t think you should be targeting adult trikes as a rex on your own anyway

Unless you really know what you’re doing

[dusky surge]

ambush = 1-2 crushes
good movement = as many crushes as you want

genuinely shocked you think 3 is a tall ask

[frosty heron]

Youre kidding right? Theyre about the same size only Trike having the defensive advantage , Rex should be perfectly able to take on a Trike

[elfin night]

It should be trike sided considering how one can engage or disengage freely and leave the other without escape options

[frosty heron]

Try that on a Trike that saw you first , good luck , all he gonna do is Spar stance and look to you

[dusky surge]

its not like trike can do much more damage on its end, since it can't knockdown rex, it can't combo into thrash

[dusky surge]

good? that should be the case, you should engage from ambush, if you don't, yhe trike should win lol

also you can absolutely utilise your movement to get around its spar

[elfin night]

But again I have never fought adult trikes so I don’t know how easy it is to get behind them

I just know that you insta kill subs, as it should be

[dusky surge]

ive seen it done time, time and time again

if you walk up to a trike, solo, in the open, it should win lol

[frosty heron]

Thats absolute fake news as Trike can in fact CC Rex into thrast

[dusky surge]

never seen it happen once

[thorn mountain]

he means knockdown

[dusky surge]

unless the trike was a prime and the rex was an adult

[frosty heron]

Knockdown is a different thing , of course that shouldnt happen as their size difference is just 100 kgs

[elfin night]

And by then, what the hell did the rex expect to get out of that

[frosty heron]

Knockdown is straight dumb mechanic , you straight die in 1 mistake

[dusky surge]

knockdown is how trike actually manages to get off its big damage

it doesn't have magical win tools like a pin on low health or fractures

it actually needs to brawl its foe to the death

[elfin night]

Knockdown should stay, just depends on which playable

Dibble and trike having it is fine as they are supposed to be the ones winning frontal trades

[frosty heron]

Knockdown is the same thing as pin , just that you perform 2 actions , but its the same , you get knocked down , 5 seconds until you wake up , you can drink a coffee and kill your target

And its actually crazy that you can pull those on tail hits

[elfin night]

You only die if you don’t have enough health to withstand the trade

[thorn mountain]

eh, if me being a fat creature on 4 legs pushes a smaller creature on two legs, I reckon that creature would fall

[elfin night]

Carno and cera can escape a dibble shove, or dilo with a maia one

But an allo for example shouldn’t be getting up after an adult trike charged at it

[analog zodiac]

knockdown is first of all way more skill since in the evrima version it only works in some knock points (trike), pin on the other hand is just 1 button kill

[dusky surge]

rex can pin trike, why can trike not knockdown rex then?

if they're the same thing, both things should have it then to make it fair

[frosty heron]

Bro Trike thrast does like 3k damage , probably more , if we talking about Trike here it can murder everything and whatever it does not kill straight away youre literally cooked as youre in 60% hp disvantage

[frosty heron]

Knockdown skill mechanic? Dont make me laught , it would be if you can wakeup fast enought you avoid the combo , but really bad players can pull it easily

[elfin night]

Good thing trike is a super noisy, very slow moving herbivore that I won’t get ambushed by unless I am unaware

And if you decided to mess around, it’s legit that you find out if you are on knockdown range

[analog zodiac]

knocks are skill, u cant just do it anywhere since when u do it on the side or infront it picks up

[frosty heron]

Im honestly feeling like im talking with people that actually doesnt play the game lol

[elfin night]

Erm

900 hours in evrima

[frosty heron]

1500 on my end budd

[thorn mountain]

3.2K on my end bud

[frosty heron]

Maybe its a better idea to start pulling some videos

[dusky surge]

2363 hours on my end

if we wanna make it a flex contest lmao

[elfin night]

My time is well spent

[frosty heron]

2300 but not even 10 on Rex I feel my friend

Yall should at least try it , once

[analog zodiac]

rex is literally winning against trike in a 1v1 unless its in a good spot

[thorn mountain]

I prob have like 50 hours on rex

[analog zodiac]

4 crushes and its bonebroken

[thorn mountain]

wait more.......

[frosty heron]

The current one , not the broken version from HT debut

[analog zodiac]

literally ggs

[dusky surge]

i have, it was good fun before it got wiped

also it is not hard to fight trikes as you say

[elfin night]

I have only one life cycle, two on trike

I just don’t like apexes all that much

[analog zodiac]

im talking abt the one in ht rn

[frosty heron]

Against a Trike that has the monitor turned off yeah I agree , no way its winning on equal skill conditions

[elfin night]

At last trike can do something now

In legacy it was such a hopeless pick

[analog zodiac]

Trike is just cooked in open field

just getting tail rided

like if u lose in a 1v1 against a trike u just dog with rex

4 crushes and u auto won

[dusky surge]

i love how trike loses in the open against an ambush predator

tf is it meant to do lmao

in the forests, it gets ambushed

[frosty heron]

Ima not falling into the bait

[dusky surge]

in the plains, it get brawled to death

[analog zodiac]

im not ragebating its just facts

[frosty heron]

Im laughting my ass over here tbh

[dusky surge]

you're gonna have to realise one day that people disagreeing with you is not a targeted attempt to make you upset

[elfin night]

Trike can’t catch a break 💔

[analog zodiac]

lmao sure buddy

[frosty heron]

One thing is disagreeing and another is being completely BIASed which the everyday formula in the balance feedback , one of the main reasons this game is cooked

[dusky surge]

brother

you cannot claim bias when your name is "turokT-Rex"

someone is wearing the bias on their sleeve lmao

[thorn mountain]

believe it or not, dondi has said that it doesnt matter about upvotes or downvotes, it matters to what they want

[frosty heron]

You even know where the name comes from , thats a very low argument

[elfin night]

Bro, I don’t even play apexes other than a few select occasions

You can show me the evidence and numbers to convince me

[dusky surge]

you named yourself after the rex, i imagine you might have a little bias towards said rex

[elfin night]

Why should rex get a buff to its move that is already a death sentence for its intended prey

[analog zodiac]

https://youtube.com/shorts/FbgjtQIsb4E?si=Is9wuttbM6Yft45s This was after rex nerf and it literally almost won against 2 trikes 1 of them is literally prime lmaooo

[elfin night]

And in fact, why should rex have an advantages brawling against trike when trike cannot run away or force the engagement?

[dusky surge]

^

rex has a move that does like 4 different things but it's not good enough

[analog zodiac]

and the funny thing is he only lost bc of trike bugs

without trike bugs he would have won a 1v2 even tho there was a prime trike on trikes team

[frosty heron]

Sure thing Mr. Styraco , what if ima start saying the same thing with other people names, honestly doesnt work , someone shouldnt go that low

[elfin night]

Wait…you get fracture damage by crushing from the front???

[analog zodiac]

yep

broken asf lmao

[dusky surge]

you get fracture damage for landing it at all

[slim dragon]

You fell for it

[elfin night]

Okay that’s stupid

For once I thought that you guys meant crush FROM THE SIDES/REAR, since that felt far more sensible

Trike not reducing fracture damage on the front is stupid. Rex can just trade then

[frosty heron]

Video literally saying stunned for 5 seconds for landing the main ability on the side

That Rex player is extremely skilled , and yet it still lost

[analog zodiac]

yes but that 5 sec stun is gone lmaooo

[frosty heron]

Meanwhile those Trikes were below average at most ill say

[analog zodiac]

it literally got a buff/fix

[frosty heron]

Thank god, when people even wanted it to stay

[analog zodiac]

it still was 2 trikes and one of them was prime

[dusky surge]

my name has also been

mr. rex, mr. giga, mr. charcar, mr. acro, mr. diablo, mr. cera, mr. troodon, mr. omni, mr. utah, mr. stego, mr. deino, mr. galli, mr. dryo, mr. bary, mr. kentro, mr. trike, mr. allo, so on for every creature in the game

feel free to criticise any of these names

[frosty heron]

Rex was also prime

[analog zodiac]

yes ik

but he would have won that with the current rex since the 5 sec thing is gone

[elfin night]

If I had known that I would have actually fought adult trikes

Just crushing from the front to win is crazy

[thorn mountain]

ok wavepoole, you are bias towards waves and pooles HA

[frosty heron]

Ima not criticise people names because that just talks bad about self , thats the point I tried to probe

[analog zodiac]

the only thing why he got cooked it from trikes hitbox and a bug where u can get out of pin and insta thrash

[dusky surge]

same vibe

https://youtu.be/C9Lzpz_2vD8

[analog zodiac]

So if trike hitboxes get fixed then rex has 100% the upper hand, maybe he already has it ngl

but dondi said trike will get a turn buff so that will make it more interesting, no more tail riding a trike

[thorn mountain]

where do you find these

[frosty heron]

Watching the video closely I think he even got hit by one damage tick from the Trike thrast once while he was behind it

[analog zodiac]

thats what im saying, without bugs he would have won that

[dusky surge]

i know where to go to find things that deeply amuse me

[analog zodiac]

so dont come with "trike has the upper hand in 1v1" bc thats just not true

[thorn mountain]

your friends

[analog zodiac]

rex literally better than trike rn

[dusky surge]

they do help

[frosty heron]

The video is a 2v1 against very low experienced Trikes vs a guy that actually played the hunt almost perfect , doesnt give me anything now to defend that

[elfin night]

I don’t think there should have been any other outcome besides dying

I don’t care if trikes were less skilled, it is a 2v1 against creatures that are nearly on the same stat level with the trikes being meant to play defensive

[analog zodiac]

yea but without bugs he would have absolutely cooked the trikes

rex is in a good spot rn

[slim dragon]

The fact you consider running headfirst into a blocking trike and crushing "playing good" is crazy
It does work in this game tho for some reason, so can't blame you for that
Can blame the game, however

[analog zodiac]

doesnt need any nerf or buffs

[frosty heron]

Doubt it because stamina exist , he burned it all on that

[analog zodiac]

well a rex should not be able to 2v1 trikes if they fg and prime xD

[dusky surge]

agreed, rex does not need buffs lmao

[frosty heron]

Never said that , thats something you just pulled out of the sleeve , never said running head on should be a win condition

[elfin night]

No matter how good you’re in any game, the odds can be stacked against you through stats. I am not winning a prime elder carno vs 2 normal teno fight even if I am a god gamer

And in fact, that fight in the short takes place in the open

Imagine if the Rex had managed to get an ambush and get rid of half of a trikes health bar before they could retaliate

It is egregious that it could stand anything close to a chance there in the open

[slim dragon]

Though that's what the rex in the video did multiple times

[frosty heron]

Why not if im way more skilled than such Trikes? Seems like yall a bit too scared of experienced players

[frosty heron]

He did that for activating spar

And use that to move out to the side and land the crush

[analog zodiac]

dude trust me idc abt exp players bc i am one

im literally one of the best trikes not even tryna glaze myself here

[dusky surge]

experienced players are my favourite arguments because they simply don't exist when it comes to the animal that the person thinks is too weak

trike lost? clearly inexperienced and foolish
rex lost? clearly underpowered and underperforming, needs damage, stam and other buffs to keep up

[slim dragon]

I'm not asking why he did that
I'm criticizing the fact it's a valid tactic

[elfin night]

Because at some point stats and balancing will get in the way

If you could win against 2 trikes in the open as a rex, then that would be a serious balancing issue

[analog zodiac]

i play alot of dm so i only care abt pvp

[analog zodiac]

its still a 12.5 Trike and a fg trike maybe even fresh prime

[frosty heron]

So ive seen that guy killing a FG Maia with 200 bites as Omni and the actual conclusion you will get to that is theres a "balance issue" and not 2buy this homie playing Maia a pair of hands"

[frosty heron]

Ima remind you there was once a time where Stegos were hunting Trikes , when this one was released on HT

[elfin night]

I haven’t seen the video I believe so I can’t say anything. Although I think you mean the Nickboay vid after Maia released? If so then yeah maia needed a buff and it was obvious

[analog zodiac]

good stegos can absolutely kill a trike

no doubt

[slim dragon]

I think the point is that you can't make balance points off a single video from a single person playing a specific animal...

[frosty heron]

No balance issue there then?

[elfin night]

That too

I don’t even think those trikes were that bad

[dusky surge]

stego is meant to defend itself from apexes, so no?

[elfin night]

But I don’t what was the point of attacking those in the open

I don’t think rex should be getting any fracture from crushing the bead of a trike either, or just a very reduced amount

[dusky surge]

allo can hunt trikes and rex, balance issue?

[analog zodiac]

bro stegos are so much weaker than trikes, it even got a damage nerf now

[frosty heron]

💀 Alright , im done here , Maia needed buffs but not because that specific scenario

[dusky surge]

also when trike first came out it absolutely was too weak

[analog zodiac]

stego should def get a buff lmao 2 crushes from a prime rex and its already bonebroken 1 more and its insta pinned

[elfin night]

It needed buffs because what you mentioned was something that occurred repeatedly prior to the trike HT

[elfin night]

Without sparring it was such an easy kill for ceras and even dilos

[dusky surge]

stego is in a real bad need of a buff for sure

[elfin night]

If something struggles vs dilo, you know it is too weak lol

[analog zodiac]

def

it just gets cooked hard rn lmao

[frosty heron]

Sure lets make 6 hour playable being able to yoink a 9 hour one , fair and balanced

[analog zodiac]

they lowered the growth time btw its literally abt 6 hours to grow a rex

steg is like 5

[dusky surge]

yea let's devolve the matchup into a black and white "rex wins or stego wins", that's sure to indicate a good balance philosophy

[frosty heron]

Very wise words from a experienced player , player that should know most herbs besides Maia are easy mode gameplay on Isle

[analog zodiac]

with good diet

[analog zodiac]

stego should def win against a prime rex when its experienced

[elfin night]

Wow, you sure must hate troodon and herrera if the only metric for fights is growth time, ignoring anything in their kit

And it’s either strength or giving the tools for stego to reliably escape form rex, including prime rex. No one wants to waste 6 hours either with no chance to do anything at all because uh oh, a prime rex saw you from a mile away

[elfin night]

Or at least be a risky kill

Something that ain’t a walking burger

[analog zodiac]

ye

stegos are just free food rn

[dusky surge]

stego and dibble both tbh

at least stego is decent against allo tho

[frosty heron]

Its lowkey all yall do with most of the situations of the game when it comes to YOUR especific ones , those you considering are a problem to your safety and using such dumb logic about speed and power "It cannot run away should be able to defend itself" ima laughting thinking about that one when Omni , Herrera and Troodon elders exist in the game

[analog zodiac]

ye mean its 3 times its weight

[elfin night]

Stego has been in a pretty bad spot for a while

It was only good back then when nothing was on its level or even close to it

[dusky surge]

"dumb logic about speed and power "It cannot run away should be able to defend itself""

how, exactly, is that dumb?

genuinely baffling you think that's an incorrect approach to designing the animals

[frosty heron]

Its dumb how you just point it out when in convenience

[elfin night]

Nope, we apply it in every case

[dusky surge]

i point it out when relevant, which is always

[elfin night]

Name one situation where we might disagree with that philosophy

[frosty heron]

Elder Omni being 38 km/h

[dusky surge]

i have never once believed an animal should neither flee nor fight a threat

[elfin night]

At least I myself will concede on it immediately

[frosty heron]

Which negates the existence of the playable

[elfin night]

I don’t like frail elders, I want those changes to be adjusted

[analog zodiac]

do u play anything except rex? bc you just only care abt rex, it seems like

[frosty heron]

Prime Elder Omni actually gets that speed

[elfin night]

Now, any matchup where I neglect that philosophy?

[dusky surge]

the incomplete elder feature? the elder feature i have never once said "yea its a great idea to make omni slow as hell"

also slowdowns are universal across all species

[elfin night]

Well that’s sucky, I would like it changed

How would I know the numbers when I never play Omni

[frosty heron]

Ive played all the playables buddy , besides Dryo which is a meme

[analog zodiac]

yea we see that 100% lmao

[dusky surge]

ive played all of them, including dryo, because i dont look at animals as memes

but the "dryo is a meme" philosophy does say a lot about you lol

[elfin night]

I have played all of them, including dryo, because even memes can be funny and worth playing

Killing juvies with it will never not be funny

But truth be told I await the day where dryo gets its much needed love

[frosty heron]

Im not gonna be posting my screenshots here because I feel its a waste of time , quite literally I have pics of all the species but Maia , Dryo and Hypsi

Grew 2 Elder Stegos on Rex HT and both got wiped out

[analog zodiac]

did u ever fight as a trike or a steg against a rex?

[frosty heron]

Grew 2 Prime Rexes

[analog zodiac]

(prime rex) and in a 1v1

[frosty heron]

Multiple times , 1 time I got too greedy thinking I will beat a Prime Stego as 6 Ton Rex and that didnt ended well

[elfin night]

I can also show you screenshots of some games where I have seen people with 4 million mastery points on a league champion (thousands of hours) and they’re still hardstuck in iron

Time spent or playing all the playables doesn’t really tell us anything about your approach and what you get out of them

[analog zodiac]

read again

i said did u play AS trike or steg AGAINST a prime rex

[frosty heron]

Not as Trike because I didnt wanted to grow that on HT with all the hackers around

But as Stego I did, twice

[analog zodiac]

but growing a rex???

rex are main targets for hackers

[dusky surge]

ive been playing dragon ball fighterZ for years now, to the point I am considered one of the best amongst my friendgroup

am I actually good? No idea, because I play the game as something to enjoy between friends and find no joy in fighting randoms online, so I never got ranked lmao

[elfin night]

This has sidetracked too hard

[frosty heron]

Trike trot is just to slow you cannot even walk away to the edges of the map to avoid them

While I could on Rex while growing

[elfin night]

I would still like to know why would Rex need more damage on the fracture move that allows it to facetank other things

[frosty heron]

Because its a joke that does 1 k damage when Stego is doing 1800 on Powerswing and Trike has the thrast doing 3k+

Make it do less fracture or remove it

[elfin night]

1k on opponents that won’t get pinned and still have high health

2800 plus the pin otherwise

And stego sure has no fracture damage whatsoever. Same goes for trike

[dusky surge]

it does fracture and pin, stop looking at it as a damage only tool

also, honestly, stego should do more damage imho, a 3k damage tool for basically nothing with not even half the animation lock that trike's thrash is seems absurd to me

[elfin night]

So…Rex should do just raw damage with no other flair that gives it extra utility? Sounds like paras are gonna be out of the menu

[dusky surge]

yup, forget the utility tool, we need everything to be done in a few hits

[frosty heron]

Pin exist

[dusky surge]

exactly, pin exists, so why does it also need 3k damage

[frosty heron]

Imo fracture isnt a truly win condition on the hunts most of the time

[frosty heron]

Pin exist for smaller playables , dont get it out the context , you still need to land 6 crushes to pin a Trike

[elfin night]

Which is my second point that I wanted to bait you in

If you let it pin paras, then it would probably pin stegos, and potentially sub trikes and adult acros

Doesn’t sound like a very engaging thing to have 9T Omni winning like that right?

[frosty heron]

And if the Trike didnt figure out how to win before getting crushed 6 times , you might just unistall

[dusky surge]

if rex didn't figure out how to win before getting stabbed 10 times, it might as well uninstall

because any competent rex is not getting thrashed lmao

[elfin night]

Rex without fracture is hopeless now and in the future

Prey would just escape if you can’t instakill them

It should stay as it is now

[frosty heron]

Make fracture apply only on pinned prey , that works for you?

[elfin night]

Nope, they still escape if they’re large

And why bother the fracture on pinned prey

It’s such overkill. They’re dead anyways

[dusky surge]

lmao

[frosty heron]

It isnt that what all yall want?

[dusky surge]

there's one guy who really wants that

i don't agree with him lol

[elfin night]

No?

I want rex to have tools to hunt with ambushes, both things that it can pin and those that are too large to have their agency instantly taken away

I think rex for instance should automatically kill something like a cerato or carno if it catches it, potentially an allo too. Then, maybe a good ambush could fracture an elder maia or para. And finally, it should actually try and make an effort to win a fight even with a successful ambush vs trike, spino and so on

Although I would say spino is so out of the menu

[dusky surge]

spino should kick rexes ass in a direct brawl

[elfin night]

Yeah

And even then it can just run into the water

So spino wasn’t a good example

Giga is better.

Yeah. Smalls get pinned. Mediums may get fractured after a good ambush. Then apexes needs to be a proper fight with multiple crushes to get the guaranteed win

[dusky surge]

giga and rex i believe is intended to be a true 50/50 matchup

[elfin night]

Good

[dusky surge]

since rex has no bleed res

personally, i'd make it rex favoured

[elfin night]

I once had an idea for Giga but I doubt it would be its whole kit. But now that I think about it with stego as a hard bleeder playable it could work as well

With it dealing percentage based additional bleed, serving as a very strong deterrent against large creatures or to hunt said large creatures

[frosty heron]

Quite literally ive seen a lot of people giving the follow feedback and getting upvoted:

-Remove sprint speed on Rex
-Pin is stupid plz nerf (Dude was playing Cerato)
-Make Rex more noisy when hes sprinting
-Make Rex overall louder
-Remove Rex fractures

And so on , im not so sure about that tbh

I ignored them all because its a waste of time to even try to argument on those

[dusky surge]

I don't agree with any of those (besides maybe murdersprint because murdersprint is a really bad mechanic atm)

[elfin night]

Well, I don’t know how does that really answer what I said. I haven’t upvoted those nor have I posted such suggestions

Maybe ambush boost could be gone but that’s about it

[frosty heron]

I dont see Rex doing proper ambush with that extra speed boost , everything will just flee off upon seeing it on a 2 second gap , including Dibble

And considering the food intake Rex needs and how it burns stamina while sprinting , that would just make it completely unplayable

[dusky surge]

if something sees you for a long time, you didn't really ambush it did you

[frosty heron]

2 Seconds gap , that isnt much

Its fairly close if you think on it

[dusky surge]

2 seconds is a lot, especially in game time

you'd be shocked how much 2 seconds matters in any game

[frosty heron]

I dont see what you want with ambush then , quite literally youre asking for the guy to go to my bush literally

[dusky surge]

i want ambushes to be ambushes

because atm, you can literally just activate "go faster" at random and then dibbles and stegos are dead

[elfin night]

Well there’s this thing called foliage you can use, as well as choosing the right time to strike

All of the live branch dedicated ambushers (Herrera and deino) also rely pretty hard on predicting where your opponents will be, although to varying degrees since Herrera is an excellent roamer and deino’s only viable environment is the one where all people come to drink. So why can’t rex players (which is what I have done) simply imagine where people will be the most or which paths they will take to move between patrols or go for a drink. You would be surprised by how predictable people are

[native urchin]

especially for stegos, thats already 10k dmg dealt XD

[frosty heron]

You actually trying to explain me something I also properly landed succesfully , yeah I know how that works , but most of my ambushes wouldnt been made possible without the murder sprint boost

Lets not forget Rex is 29 km/h sprinting , that isnt fast by any means

[elfin night]

And that also presupposes that the dibble will immediately start running in the opposite direction, when most people will probably startle or jolt hearing the footsteps at such a close range or they might want to see where it’s coming from or need to turn

[elfin night]

All I need is a crouch and game sense to be well fed

To hunt the stuff you regularly hunt as rex, 29 is good enough

[dusky surge]

honestly all i'd do to make murdersprint less awful is have it only able to be activated when you have full stam and remove its cooldown, since its tied to stam

[frosty heron]

I dont have any clip about that one but I once catched a Teno using crouch and game sense as you said , and it would had flee off if I didnt activated the murder sprint

[dusky surge]

means you HAVE to be ambushing and can't just use it to run things down mid-chase

[frosty heron]

Even so you waste part of your stomach to set up those ambushes because youre so big that if youre planning to ambush something that saw you across the river , good luck fella you might starve

[native urchin]

rex dont have the stam to chase anything, and if its out of stam, a rex is dead cause the dmg of rex is laughable compared to apex counterpart...

stego beats rex 90% of the stages, the only moments stego is at a disadvantage is when rex fg and stego fg, or full prime rex..... rest of growth rex stands no chance nor can run from stegos

[dusky surge]

"if youre planning to ambush something that saw you across the river"

if it saw you, you've already kind of failed to ambush, haven't you?

[native urchin]

stands no chance is an exxageration, but, stego has advantage

[frosty heron]

Did they fix Stego being able to run down sub Rex btw?

[dusky surge]

like if you see a deino in the water or a herrera in the trees, they've failed the hunt already, since they've lost the ambush

[frosty heron]

I think you overstimate Isle players intelligence sometimes im afraid

[native urchin]

no, stego runs down any rex at any stage!

[native urchin]

true, i drink even if i heard a deino one call

[dusky surge]

i dont see what that has to do with the legitimate concept of an ambush lol

[frosty heron]

Nah no way , it has more stamina but once they both empty Stego should be cooked as it cannot use the powerswing

[faint robin]

Stego running down rex is not a big of an issue considering rex can both fracture and pin it
And stego needs stam to attack

[dusky surge]

(stego needs way too much stam to attack lol)

[native urchin]

aside that after one crush it can use 2 power swing... and alt swing does more dmg than a rex bite .... side swing is even faster.... so no

[dusky surge]

remove tactile, reduce stamcost on stego attacks, hell yea

[frosty heron]

Wait a Sub Rex can pin a Stego? Thats new lol

[faint robin]

Same stage stego yes

[frosty heron]

Rex can hold RMB for a CC and combo the Stego , no stam cost on that one I think

[native urchin]

yea needs 4/5 crushes, while stego needs one stun followed up to 2 more powerswing and rex is done... very balanced 😂

[faint robin]

2 crushes to break stego

[frosty heron]

Im talking about Adult Stego running down Sub Rexes which is possible as I saw on a video

[native urchin]

u give back stamina anyways, so they will have power swing

[faint robin]

And 3-4 to break trike

[frosty heron]

Yeah thats just Tactile Endurance being a cringe mutation

[native urchin]

bro, same skill level rex cant 1vs1 a trike, too strong

[dusky surge]

for sure

i want stego to get a stam buff BADLY, but not if tactile remains

tactile HAS to go

[native urchin]

right now, trike vs rex is not even a matchup, no matter if u catch the trike sitting

trike has to be bad, and rex good, for teh rex to win

[faint robin]

If it ambushes - it can
Also if you remove tactile - remove dmg muts on carnis as well

[native urchin]

tactile is as broken as gastro!

i dont mind dmg mutation, but i also dont care if they are taken off. but both tactile and gastro need to go

[dusky surge]

i agree with removing damage muts because they're exceptionally lame and boring, but i think tactile is more pressing lol

[frosty heron]

Its a matchup but you just need to actually be very good Rex , use the movement and such and hope the Trike has bit of skill issue and thrast to the air , yeah its what ive been trying to explain here

[faint robin]

True

Also trike's thrash is too easy to missclick, should really be changed control wise

[dusky surge]

very true

i think pressing LMB while blocking would work fine, just RMB+LMB = thrash

[frosty heron]

Agreed , but self mistakes are part of the skill issue , the control sucks but knowing that you could missclick you should be careful on that one

[dusky surge]

makes it easy to remember and you won't misinput it

[dusky surge]

ehhhh, bad controls should never be misconstrued with skill issues

[native urchin]

yea, im not dying to no rex as trike 1vs1... 2 are a problem, but its also fair to die 1vs2 if u dont have terrain

[dusky surge]

if the learning curve is "learning how to deal with these horrible controls", that's a fundamental game problem, it shouldn't be the player's fault they have to fight their own controls

[native urchin]

never misclicked once, with dibble nor trike!

[frosty heron]

I did , twice or so , once I went to a private server to practice and gain muscle memory , never again

[dusky surge]

good for you, it's still bad controls

[frosty heron]

What pretty much helped me with it is playing Dibble as it grows faster and its less painfull

[native urchin]

its not... hold and let go is worse imo.

also, i play controller, so i had to adapt and learn everything..... there is no such thing as bad controls, just getting the muscle memory and keeping the cool

as long as hand/fingers are messed up to do a certain things, its not bad controls

[dusky surge]

rexes one is pretty bad too i'll be real

im not justifying either lol

[faint robin]

Trike's worse tbh

[dusky surge]

its not a competition

bad controls are bad controls, it doesn't matter which one is worse

[analog zodiac]

idk what u on abt but a prime rex literally cooks a prime trike

4 crushes and trikes cooked

just play it smart and dont run into the god damn trike

u can easily outturn a trike

[native urchin]

how do u let a rex crush u 4 times?
i never let a rex behind me, even before the rex nerf, and u can easily abuse the spar and lock the rex into it

[analog zodiac]

bro its so easy to get behind the trike if he is in a open field

[native urchin]

nah, rex has no chance to get behind, if u allow it u messed up something!

[faint robin]

Tbh yes and trike only hopes it spar locks rex
But since trike can't cc rex its hard

[analog zodiac]

use youre ambush to get behind him its so easy

and stay behind him

and after 4 crushes u can play it slow

[native urchin]

spar sideways backward and its not enough, and u can intercept the rex.... me and a couple of friends litterally never allowed a rex behind as trike

[analog zodiac]

since hes bone broken

[faint robin]

Rex really turns too good for its size
And the sheer fact 4 crushes disable trike is just absurd
Since crush is also spammable and can be used head on

[analog zodiac]

i said 1v1

not friends who cover you

[native urchin]

yes, im talking 1vs1, we dont play trike or stego in group lol, they dont need it

[analog zodiac]

like @faint robin said u can literally use crush on its head and it counts for a bonebreak tick

[faint robin]

Why is crush still can be cancelled

Wasnt crush cancel fixed? Cuz rexes keep cancelling it

[analog zodiac]

that was the no cd crush

[native urchin]

no, they fixed it, trike takes no dmg to head with a crush now, and the rex is locked into spar mode..... only if the rex is way bigger and u cant spar with it, then u will get stunned

[analog zodiac]

yea it doesnt take damage but u still have a bonebreak tick

[faint robin]

Trike still takes full fracture to the head

[analog zodiac]

u need 4 ticks to bonebreak a trike

[native urchin]

u only stuck into animation if u miss, if u dont u are not stucked..... and when u pin u can cancel the pin, which is fair

[native urchin]

no, cause u enter spar mode.... if u dont enter spar mode means you are too small! then rex just too big for you, and u die

[faint robin]

Rexes still cancel crush if they miss

[native urchin]

nope, i was never able to do it when i grew rex the other day

[faint robin]

No matter when rex still gives full fracture to trike's head

[native urchin]

well, if rex is too big to spar, u can say it just towers the trike and hits the body over it tbh

[faint robin]

Dude

Rex gives full fracture to trike's head

[native urchin]

u litterally cant crush head of trike anymore, it enters spar mode

[faint robin]

No matter how big trike is
Its the issue since its release

[analog zodiac]

if u hold the crush for 5 seconds u can cancel the crush and slide with the animation

[analog zodiac]

u can

it gets u in spar but u can jump out of it instant

and it count to a bonebreak crush

and u need 4 of them to bonebreak a trike

[faint robin]

Trike should take reduced fracture to it's front too but it doesn't

[native urchin]

then trike is too small to spar weight wise, i so no issue in the rex overpowering the trike in that case

[analog zodiac]

no same size, it gets u in spar but it still counts

[analog zodiac]

yea it doesnt have reduced fracture damage

only reduced damage which is stpd

how u bonebreak a trike if u only hit the head

[native urchin]

u still hurting the rex more than he hurting u in spar mode.... u giving headshot every attack

[analog zodiac]

but it dont matter

[native urchin]

u dont, cause rex gonna die

[faint robin]

As I said no matter how much dmg crush does, as long as it does fracture in 4 hits - its op

[analog zodiac]

rex just tanks those hits and after bonebreak it plays slow

[faint robin]

You need 4 hits to disable trike

[native urchin]

what? XD trike outdamages rex

[analog zodiac]

u can jump out of the spar dude

[faint robin]

Bonebroken trike can't even dmg rex

[native urchin]

never got to fracture level sorry, always killed em before that

[native urchin]

i just locked em back in XD once its too close to trike, u cant really get behind, unless u miss an attack

[faint robin]

Skill issue on rex
The point here is no matter how much trike does, rex just spams crush in your face, 4 hits and youre disabled

[analog zodiac]

im pretty sure if u crouch in spar it gets u out of it

[analog zodiac]

and no rex does all crushes in the head

[faint robin]

Trike face doesn't reduce fracture dmg

[analog zodiac]

i just said that the rex can literally bonebreak u on head

[faint robin]

It was said the moment rex released and was never fixed

The dmg on trike's face was fixed, but fracture dmg wasn't

[native urchin]

yet i never got bonebroken.. like i played rex, trike and stego!

before and after the nerf! like, rex dont even feel like a challeng on trike now

[analog zodiac]

https://youtube.com/shorts/FbgjtQIsb4E?si=Is9wuttbM6Yft45s putting this vid again, this was AFTER REX NERF and he almost killed 1 prime trike and a adult maybe even fresh prime

and he only lost bc of trike bugs

he would have won that with the current rex since the 5 sec stun doesnt exist anymore

[faint robin]

Rex needs 4 hits to disable trike, trike needs way more

No matter where you hit on rex, just go in, tank trike, spam 4 crushes, then trike literally can't hit you properly

The issue is trike's face not reducing fracture

[native urchin]

he is a very good rex player, and trike misplays badly! losing a 2vs1 is a major trike skill issue, not rex being strong Bro

imo, those trikes should have died way quicker, no way in hell u survive that many bites in teh butt

[faint robin]

The issue is trike not taking reduced fracture on its head

[analog zodiac]

yes ik the trikes were bad PUT STILL its 2 of them and a both prime

[dusky surge]

remember

rex losing = rex too weak
trike losing = trike skill issue

[analog zodiac]

lmao fr

[native urchin]

one is not prime, gets knocked with the headubtt....

[analog zodiac]

u can knock a fresh prime

if its under 10 tons

[native urchin]

its still 9/10 tons, there is 2 ton difference

[faint robin]

Like why th is rex needing 4 hits to disable trike? Even to the head

[native urchin]

cause its hard to get beind a trike

[analog zodiac]

still a 12.5T trike there too btw

[native urchin]

litterally showing bot trike clips

[faint robin]

Dude
to the head

[native urchin]

yea, trike misplayed and let him behind

[analog zodiac]

dude i did play trike and we cooked them but that was mostly 2v2 since i didnt play alone

[native urchin]

typical trike player, too scared to play alone as the strongest herbi

[analog zodiac]

bro lmao u not good only bc u play alone

[faint robin]

Is that coming from a rex main? Rexes are never alone and are mostly mixpacking kids

[analog zodiac]

i cook u on trike vs trike in evrima rn if u want

[native urchin]

No, teno main😅

[analog zodiac]

its not that im scared i just dont wanna get 3v1 by prime rexes

better to have another trike so u can fight cheating rexes or mixpackers

[faint robin]

Im saying that issue is
trike not taking reduced fracture to its head when it def should

Ofc bad trike will still let rex behind and die

But you shouldn't take the same fracture damage if you actually face rex

[analog zodiac]

its just based on skill lmao rex is not weaker than trike its 50/50 trike does more dmg but rex has pin and bonebreak

[faint robin]

Also crush should be way less spammable

[analog zodiac]

nah its good like that

5 sec cooldown between every crush

[faint robin]

For an attack with 2 autowin moves

[native urchin]

Yea that I agree

[faint robin]

Not as long as rex fractures trike in the head

[faint robin]

Thats the point

[analog zodiac]

no its pretty 50/50

even tho he can do that

[faint robin]

Well if trike faces rex - it should favour trike

[native urchin]

Of all thing it should do more dmg. And right now is trike favored! Rex needs too many crush to cripple trike

[analog zodiac]

i play alot of trike and stego, trike and rex are in a good spot but stego is just free food lol

[dusky surge]

imma be real, i dont like how its 50/50, it should be trike favoured since trike can't run and has no choice but to fight an engaging rex

[analog zodiac]

it is in trikes favour if u are playing in a defensiv spot

[faint robin]

Less fracture more dmg

[analog zodiac]

dont be in a open area

[native urchin]

Stego is more powerful then Rex almost in a stages! A Rex is safe from Stego only when he doesn’t get stunned! If it gets stunned a good Stego is not dying to a Rex

[analog zodiac]

ye less fracture but crush should do like 1.5k dmg- 1.8k

[dusky surge]

not being in the open being the solution to an ambush predator seems a lil silly imho

[faint robin]

True

Tbh being in the open should be rex weakness not trike's

[analog zodiac]

not really u can bonebreak a steg even faster than a trike

[faint robin]

Being in the open - spot rex faster and face it as a trike

[analog zodiac]

its only 2 crushes and u cooked

[native urchin]

Yes, but u can’t trade u have to bait! A good stego doesn’t get baited! Ps always have priority

[faint robin]

So if trike spots rex in the right time - it def should favor trike

[analog zodiac]

u can stun a steg and just run away bc the stego cant even trade hits since its tail rise after stun is so slow

[native urchin]

Stego outstams any Rex

[analog zodiac]

u kill the steg in 3-4 crushes

stam does not matter there lmao

[native urchin]

U also kill the Rex in 4 poweswing pretty much! U can hit head ebeytime! If Rex is stunnable it’s a pretty good fight to be honest

Neither the Rex or the stego can make mistakes

[analog zodiac]

if steg cant stun its just cooked since it got a damage nerf on the 180 swing

[native urchin]

As it should be! Stego can run away if it spots it in time! Stego is way smaller, should not be able to fight a rex that is 3 tons bigger

[analog zodiac]

steg cant run away if it doesnt have distance

[native urchin]

Good ambush from the Rex then

[analog zodiac]

yes i agree it should lose most fights against a prime rex but 2 bonecrushes is just not even close to being fair

even a bad rex can kill a the best stego

since it only takes 2 crushes to kill it

[native urchin]

Stego can stil power swing, is the body fracture that is bad for Stego

[analog zodiac]

a good rex vs a good steg should be in rex favour

[analog zodiac]

only if its 50% over its stam

and u lose 10% per swing xD

[faint robin]

Yeah I agree, why ppl don't take the fact that trike is forced to fight most of the time

[native urchin]

Yes, and good trike vs good Rex should be in trike favor

[analog zodiac]

nah it should be 50/50

[native urchin]

Which it is right now. Thanks to spar

[analog zodiac]

whoever is better should win

[faint robin]

Trike is slower, it should mostly win if it faces rex

[analog zodiac]

ofc it should win face tank lmao

thats literally trikes best thing

[faint robin]

I mean if trike spotted rex

Rex is meant to ambush

[analog zodiac]

if the trike is completly open rex should win since it can tail ride u

bc u have no rocks behind u

[faint robin]

Completely open environment should def favor trike

[dusky surge]

imho, that just means trike's worse than rex

[faint robin]

Again, rex is meant to ambush

[dusky surge]

like, in terms of survival, since rex can retreat from trike, but trike can't do the same to rex

[analog zodiac]

it will be soon since it gets a turn buff

[dusky surge]

it already got the turn buff

it was to juvi and sub only, not adult

[analog zodiac]

only sub and juvi

[faint robin]

https://youtu.be/5WjuJS8qJo0?si=ksMJCaK2ezUS1bNg also good vid of good trikes and even they missclicked thrash
Also can't say if rexes were good or bad here

[dusky surge]

yea, the adult isn't getting a buff, not confirmed at all

[analog zodiac]

i heard it will

[faint robin]

Adult is not getting a turn buff

[analog zodiac]

didnt see it tho

[analog zodiac]

i thought i saw don saying trike will get some changes with its movement soon idk if he ment that with the juvi and sub stage

[dusky surge]

we'll see what happens, since next HT patch is meant to be a huge balance patch

[faint robin]

Hopes, hopes...

[analog zodiac]

i love steg and trike but rex should def be somewhat good against trike and not 70-30 for trike bc its our first apex carni us herbi players always had the better playables

i think it should be on both sides fun

[faint robin]

Trike is slower
50/50 means trike is just a worse rex

[analog zodiac]

no 50/50 means whoever is the better player wins

[faint robin]

Rex has its ambush and forests to hunt trike
Trike has open fields and spar to spot and face rex

[faint robin]

50/50 means trike is just a slower rex gameplay wise

Rex also has way faster alt attacks

[maiden temple]

I hope they make it enjoyable for both lol

[faint robin]

Also why prime trikes here can't stun prime rexes but rexes can stun trikes? Seems odd

[elfin night]

Trike should totally win in a brawl

[frosty heron]

Rex should totally have the chance to 1vs1 a Trike

Even if the Trike is sighly favoured in the defense

Playing it better = Winning

Both take the same amount of time to growth , same weight and class

Dont make Rex a 2vs1 only playable im tyred of that sh*t

Also im a solo Rex main , so no , not all of them are "mixpackers kids"

[dusky surge]

"2vs1 only playable"

it obliterates literally everything else in the roster with ease

trike should just be an uphill battle for it

[frosty heron]

Not true , the nerfed Rex is very uncapable to take down anything that is not in a 1v1 scenario , ive seen the Rex posted above losing all the outnumber fights after the nerfs

You simply dont have the damage and stamina to move and take on multiple targets even if theyre smaller than you

[elfin night]

destroys literally everything else with barely any effort right now besides trike, and in the planned roster there are only 6 playables out of +50 that could stand a chance

“Grrrr they did Rex dirty you need it to be 2v1 to play properly”

[frosty heron]

Who youre trying to ragebait with that budd , for real , making Rex a pair playable is straight bs

[dusky surge]

imma be real man, that's always been rexes identity

ever since legacy, rex has been the absolute 1v1 king

and it still is exactly that

the weakness to rex was being overwhelmed with numbers

[elfin night]

It’s not, that’s my whole point

Making it all a drama because it needs to put effort to solo a trike and declare it is a pair playable is just absurd. In the entire planned roster, you only ought to be mindful of trike, anky, spino, shant, giga, cama and brachi. That may sound like a lot, but literally everything else is going to get brainlessly rushed and crushed in an instant

[frosty heron]

Alright then let it be the 1v1 king , not a fooder for packs and also lose to 1v1 unless you outkill your prey by a lot

[elfin night]

You do not comprehend how strong rex is right now even though trike can fend it off

[elfin night]

Isn’t it already that too?

It wins basically everything else 1v1

[dusky surge]

lucky it isn't any of those things

i've watched solo rexes take on megapacks of allos and win

[frosty heron]

Not in my opinion as is losing to Trike , yet yall still saying it does not

[elfin night]

Is it really losing to trike though?

[dusky surge]

i've also watched rex easily 1v1 trikes and win

[frosty heron]

Absolutely

Which is fine in a defensive position for the Trike

[elfin night]

You just need 3 crushes from any angle. One ambush already gets you one and maybe another one for free if you greed it or the trike was utterly distracted. As it should be

[frosty heron]

But not like a real potato of a player should be able to give a skilled one trouble because the mistakes that one another have to make to fail have a big gap

[elfin night]

And then rex wins basically every other 1v1 with minimal effort

[dusky surge]

if its a potato of a player, its getting rolled

[frosty heron]

The current Roster only has Trike as a true competitor , just wait until Cama , Shant , Giga and others show up

[dusky surge]

genuinely i dont see how the matchup remotely favoured a completely unskilled trike

[slim dragon]

Mr. Potato wouldn't like hearing that

[dusky surge]

cama and shant are likely not going to be rex rivals, they'll probably be well above it

[frosty heron]

Bugs , glitches and the absolute absurd damage of thrash is what gives them the pearl

[dusky surge]

genuinely, if a skilled rex is losing to an unskilled trike, maybe the rex wasn't that skilled to begin with lol

you can blame bugs and glitches all you want but an unskilled trike is getting rolled 10/10 times

[frosty heron]

Ima save this one for the Stego players who also die to smaller foes

[dusky surge]

what?

im not entirely sure what that has to do with anything

[frosty heron]

Im just saving it , hope you have good memory

[dusky surge]

i dont

so when you bring it up im not going to care lol

[frosty heron]

Of course

[elfin night]

What is giga gonna do in a straight brawl? Get its leg broken?

And shant and cama are nowhere close to being on the same league as it has been pointed out

No carnivore is going to be soloing any of those reliably with approximately the same skill level

Or just a decent player on the cams or shant

[dusky surge]

anyway, still don't know what i said has to do with stego and smaller playables

[elfin night]

Same, I’m clueless. Mind elaborating, turok?

[frosty heron]

When I see a post about a Stego dying to a group of Ceratos ima just pull it out , "maybe youre just too unskilled"

Pretty much saying that the Rex we posted 2 times here is unskilled is crazy