balance-feedback-discussion

[tiny thicket]

"Flying" is also a mechanic in game,"Ptera can fly Ptera so OP".

Nerf Ptera so it can't fly

[slim dragon]

That's completely unrelated lol

You don't just give mechanics to animals because they exist

You give mechanics to animals because they compliment their gameplay

[tiny thicket]

Yes so lets say they add Acro, shouldn't Rex and Acro feel different in gameplay?

[vale brook]

isnt acro shown to also have a pin of some sort

[tiny thicket]

Doesn't that mean Fracture makes Rex unique?

[slim dragon]

If the only way to make them different is to give fracture to rex but not to acro, might as well never add acro

[slim dragon]

The difference is that acro's pin works on larger animals 🙃

[vale brook]

TRUE!!!!

[tiny thicket]

What if I told you that Acro relies on suffocating its prey by pinning it? Like deino does but out of water would Acro be different than Rex?

[steep gazelle]

Because Rex doesn't need it

[hasty coyote]

because the current iteration of fractures is op and rex has many other mechanics and attacks that make it strong regardless of fractures.

if fractures were not immediate death sentences, then I can understand having them, but as is they are just guaranteed death.

[tiny thicket]

so the problem is simplicity of the pin mechanic and rex "fracture" not having locational fracture damage.

Deino's "Lunge" has the same problem as well it is a one way ticket for smaller species

[hasty coyote]

Not entirely, again, the issue is with the fractures themselves. They basically say “your hp doesn’t matter, if you get hit X times you just die” and generally you get fractured much before you are actually close to dying. That’s an issue that has been plaguing pachy’s balance since its release, and now Rex is a strong dino on top of having this issue. Hence why I think removing fractures until they are rebalanced is the best option. At minimum I’d like them to only be applied when pinning (since if you’re getting pinned, you’re probably gonna die anyway)

Lunge however only impacts much smaller species (unlike Rex’s fractures which can hit even larger species) so its ability to 1-shot is fine imo. Lunge’s problem imo is that it’s too easy to set up for deinos. So the only way to deal with deino is to either be big, drink at “safe” spots, or gamble that there no deino. None of which are ideal for an actually interesting interaction (because there is none).

[wheat moth]

#balance-feedback message

so let me get this straight @south raptor you want the crush to deal 500 damage because it can bone break/stun so the damage isn’t needed but at the same time you don’t want the bone break to work on a trike or stego? Yeah okay

[steep gazelle]

Bonebreak, Especially the fractured leg, Leave the victim completely useless, removing practically all of their attacks, so i can understand his point

[wheat moth]

His point is too extreme, he’s practically making Rex useless vs trike and stegos. No damage and no bone break either against them. Basically becomes a unwinnable one sided fight for the herbis favor

[steep gazelle]

Rex can knockdown stego, And the fight between Trike and Rex should be mostly in Trike favor, so there's no problem

[wheat moth]

Brother when the Rex goes in to knockdown the stego he’ll be able to do it but at the cost of having his head be power swung and taking 3-4k damage. If he’s only able to deal 1k damage after knocking them down then having to do it all over again the fight is over, Rex will lose. How is he gonna win that?

Also no it should not be in trikes favor lmao. It should be a 50/50 fight

[steep gazelle]

That's where the question of using skills correctly comes in, instead of wanting to have a skill that does everything for you, like Hordtest current crush

Knock down the stego and bite its head, 3 hits kill it

[steep gazelle]

The fight between these 2 shouldn't be 50/50, mainly because Rex can simply decide not to fight Trike due to being faster, the fight should be more 70/30

[wheat moth]

Okay let’s say crush deals basically no damage against stego/trike.

stego vs Rex fight will go like this:

Rex goes in and headbutts the stego ———-> stego power swings the Rex ——-> 4k health is gone ——> Rex deals 2k damage to the stegos head ——> Rex does it again and knocks the stego ——> takes 4k damage again ——> stego receives 2k damage to the head. Stego now has 2k health left and Rex has 1.4k health left. This is assuming stego is not using congenital (15% damage reduction and can be increased by entombing)

Rex vs trike:

It will literally become unwinnable even if the Rex ambushes the trike. If you can’t see that then… I’m concerned

[wheat moth]

Yes it should be a 50/50. a trike can chase down a Rex with his insane stamina pool and is much easier to grow. It seems very fair to me that Rex trot is faster and speed but at the cost of much less stamina

[steep gazelle]

This is exactly why Rex needs a better overhaul, so he doesn't have an ability that doesn't require a brain to use and that kills anything or that becomes weak to the point of not being able to fight against these playables

[steep gazelle]

And oh my god, this is all wrong. Rex manages to land at least 2 bites before the stego gets up from the knockdown

[wheat moth]

He doesn’t need an overhaul or anything. Rex overall abilities are good but are just over tuned. A Rex shouldn’t be pinning a stego and bone breaking it first crush, he should be stunning the stego and only pinning it when the third crush is used (stego is in wounded status). A Rex shouldn’t bone break a trike either when crush is used but should pin the trike if he’s low enough health (more of a execution animation because if the trike is low enough health he gonna die anyways). Juvie Rex bone break needs to be gone, only sub and above get it. Rex shouldn’t be pinning same size prey. This is all the changes Rex needs, other than that, he’s in a very good state

[wheat moth]

Have you seen how slow Rex bite is? No it ain’t lmao

[steep gazelle]

Oh, finally you understand

[wheat moth]

I’ve always understood, but you guys seem to want Rex nerfed to the point he can’t hunt anything lmao and I disagree with that. After all it’s a Rex and he should be having a good time against herbivores. Doesn’t mean herbis shouldn’t stand a chance tho it should always come down to skill

[south raptor]

I think you misunderstood.
The bone-breaking mechanic in Rex is cool even against large dinosaurs, but without breaking the leg against preys that have almost of the same size of the Rex.

is something that isn't fair against large dinosaurs, they become completely defenseless after that, Like an deino after Grabbing someone.

It would be better if just break the Body against Big Dinos, so the stam cost would be increase against the prey giving an fair advantage for rex during the hunt.

[wheat moth]

It’s a very simple fix. Against bigger dinosaurs Rex simply needs to use more crushes to break their legs/pin them than it does now. Right now all it takes is just one crush which is dumb

[south raptor]

Trike, Stego are apexes too, and Breaking the leg of a trike or a stegosaurus is the same as sentencing them to death.
They become useless, especially the trike, which is already slow at turning.
they can't do anything, It's a 100% victory for a Rex if the trike breaks its leg.

not even Deino which is an carnivore apex could do something so OP with an creature of the same size in the water.

breaking the body would be the fairest way.

[dusky surge]

#balance-feedback message

you dont need to grow the entire animal in one sitting, god knows i dont

[stark spear]

Obviously not, but wasting 5 days to grow a dino to 50% only to get merked by the same species only because he can walk me down so i cant run from him and i cant fight him so I just die. Its a terrible balance

I know Im not the only one who doesnt have that kind of time to waste on a game. I dont want to have to spend half a month growing a rex to adult thats just a waste

And its nonsense because everytime you spawn in the map dynamic has changed. You have no idea whats close so you cant intentionally avoid areas that you know are busy. Its a terrible dynamic. Everything should be at least half its current grow time. It just encourages unemployed muck to play for 15 hours a day and ruin the game for everyone else because they cant compete

[civic fossil]

do something against the hackers that play DAILY on evrima eu4!! EVERY DAY

[stark spear]

hacking pachys in hordetest EU wet 1

[stark knoll]

Check the pinned messages in #evrima-eu to see how to report hackers

[onyx lichen]

@timber tusk I think nocturnal playables should benefit more from Sunbathing like the cold blooded/Ambush playables so it can give more of a reason to hunt at Night rather than day

[humble bay]

then dont play?

[cerulean vault]

Juvie rex should have bone break

Because my dog that is 70 pounds can break my arm if he bit me

your talking about something that is taller then I am as a big juvie you realize the bite force they would have and fighting things of similar size

I am 6 foot 3

Correction fracture

[hasty coyote]

then why not give everything bone break? If a horse kicking be can break ribs, why shouldnt teno do the same?

the reason why is because its a game, and fractures are incredibly strong

[cerulean vault]

should yes fracture chance

[dusky surge]

fracture chance isn't a thing

[cerulean vault]

Your diet reduces the chance

[dusky surge]

nope

there's no chance to it

[cerulean vault]

I am playing devils advocate to get actual conversation

[dusky surge]

it's entirely health-based

[cerulean vault]

Next time look at perfect diet and the benifits

[hasty coyote]

so pretty much everything in the game should have fractures then? you would have to majorly rework fractures for that to work, and you make fracture based dinos much less unique

[dusky surge]

each limb has a unique health pool

[hasty coyote]

its a % resistance, not a % chance

[dusky surge]

i have, it's still not a chance

[cerulean vault]

As a full adutl rex i got bit 3 times with crush and had perfect diet and it finally broke me

[dusky surge]

it reduces the amount of fracture damage you take

[cerulean vault]

You said the same thing i said

[hasty coyote]

yes, because your fracture health was enough to tank the fracture damage of those 2 crushes, but that 3rd did enough fracture damage to fracture you.

[dusky surge]

no? one's damage and one's chance

[cerulean vault]

The perfect diet still helps is my point

[hasty coyote]

how?

[cerulean vault]

Read the buffs it gives you

[dusky surge]

i mean, it does. it gives fracture resist

[cerulean vault]

or if you want test it get a good diet grow and a perfect diet grow and get into fights

[dusky surge]

but it's not really enough to really matter most of the time, but it can save you from rex fracs (you probably won't be able to tell tho)

[hasty coyote]

10% fracture resist = 10% less fracture damage received
like how 10% damage resist means you take 10% less damage

its not chance based, its entirely damage based

thats why it takes pachy 1 headshot to beak a teno's head, but 2 hits to break any other body part, because its hitbox and damage based, not chance. (though it can def FEEL like chance based because of how bad the hitboxes are at times)

[cerulean vault]

The perfect Diet still helps

Go get into fights with good diet and see how you fair

just one diet and for craps and giggles make sure its 50% of the vitaminb

[hasty coyote]

yes it can help in certain cases where it makes it take another hit to fracture

[cerulean vault]

There is no certain cases

[hasty coyote]

there are plenty of cases where that 10% means nothing because it isnt enough to change how many hits til fracture

like 10% fracture resist aint helping the omni getting its skull caved in by a pachy

[cerulean vault]

Perfect diet helps everything growth bleed resistence, etc i think it should be chance based but maybe that is too much rng for them to add

[cerulean vault]

Its a pachy

go do actual research on how hard they hi

[hasty coyote]

rng fractures would literally make any fracture based animal abolute pain to play and fight

[hasty coyote]

I have

[cerulean vault]

Could have swore dondi said this game isnt about fairness

[hasty coyote]

its 75 tap ram, 125 for a charged ram

[cerulean vault]

there is somethings your favorite dino isnt meant to fight

[cerulean vault]

Talking about the real life pachy

Dondi and devs are making this as realistic as possible with video game flair

[hasty coyote]

yes, there are things you are meant to instead run from. But when theres a dino that you can't run from and can't fight, theres a major problem

[cerulean vault]

so of course its not fair

[hasty coyote]

Are you literally blind to the entire roster

[cerulean vault]

I have out walked 3 rexes that were full adult chasing me as a 69% rex

up hills over moutains down moutains one broke his leg

[cerulean vault]

Drop the insults or the convo ends and i will leave you talking to yourself stay on topic

[hasty coyote]

hypsi being a vomiting squirrel
herrera being a drop bear
beipi being downsized and made into a penguin
I can go on, point being this aint accurate

[cerulean vault]

i did say with video game flair as usual yall get stuck on one thing

6:45 re read very slowly what i said

[hasty coyote]

yes, thats something you can run from. Which is one of the main balancing factors of the game.

[cerulean vault]

no

they can out walk you in a straight line

longer legs hence the hills and mountains and trees

they almost caught me

Prime rex can walk down a full adult

but that isnt a issue

why you can still get away

rivers hills trees rocks

most prime rex will stop when they have no stam

Multi chambered helps as does photo and playng smart

not spamming the 1 call

[hasty coyote]

"realistic as possible with video game flair" If it wasnted to be realistic as possible, they could have made this dinos a lot different, rather than changing them to fit in niches. So I heavily disagree with realistic as possible portion as it can apparently be discarded for the "video game flair"

[cerulean vault]

All i am saying is the same people that complain how unfair things are are the same people who spam the 1 call and make other silly choices

[cerulean vault]

Regardless if you disagree with it its the game it is

You can either adapt and grow or don't

[hasty coyote]

except the fact that you are faster when smaller so they are actually slower. They only start gaining back the speed once they are prime and its still no where near as much as when you are small.

[mint star]

not realistic

immersive

there’s a difference

people just throw the “this game is meant to be realism based” at it without any prior thought

[hasty coyote]

not all the time, theres a solid amount of times where its simply one dinosaur being flat out over powered. Like when pachy used to be able to stun lock tenos and carnos to death.

[cerulean vault]

you can Nit picking my choice of words doesnt change the intent but i see your point

[mint star]

I’m not nitpicking, I’m trying to clear up confusion

[hasty coyote]

except it isnt because I have disproved your argument, just saying that it is in the game with no supporting evidence really shows that its just an opinion rather than an actual fact.

[cerulean vault]

It is nitpicking not using that as a insult btw

[cerulean vault]

Who says i was trying to argue

[cerulean vault]

😂

that image is so funny

[hasty coyote]

the fact we are in the discussion channel and we have been having an argument

[cerulean vault]

there are outliers never said there wasnt why do you think this a horde TEST

I simply said accept at this moment this is the game that it is and adapt

I do

Is it fair that a rex can pin a croc to death and only spam rex crush instead of it being set in charges when any real life animmal cannot bite 100% all the time

no

So when i play deino and Get to prime what i will do is fight smart let them lunge off into the river

[hasty coyote]

hence why this started with me disagreeing and saying that your logic was flawed for giving juvie rex fractures and I want it to be changed. because a 1 ton rex running at 60kph that is able to pin and instantly leg fracture anything 1kg lighter is not fair balance.

[cerulean vault]

I accept how things are and just avoid fights entirely like i dont charge into a mix pack

[cerulean vault]

no it isnt go look how big a juvie rex actually was

that is only 37 mph and wolves can run that fast

[hasty coyote]

OR, I can point out the issues to try and get as many people as I can to bring this to the dev's attention because its an issue.

[cerulean vault]

I dont think the speed is changing

[hasty coyote]

1 sec let me go dig for the screenshot

[hasty coyote]

the speed is not entirely my issue

[cerulean vault]

if it wasn't then why did you bring it up in your statement

[hasty coyote]

the issue is that its fast AND strong. I'm fine with it being fast, but the fact it can be that fast while also functionally 1-tapping anything smaller is a major issue.

[cerulean vault]

yeah your point they got up to 15-22 feet long as juveniles

Wolves are smaller and can break bones

[hasty coyote]

my point is there is a time during their life where they are large enough to pin and 1-shot the majority of the small roster, while still being as fast as a carno

[cerulean vault]

raptors can jump can they not

[hasty coyote]

jump where? on the 5 locations of the map that have rocks?

[cerulean vault]

Carnos can still knock them over and kill them had it happen to me

[hasty coyote]

again, I could care less about the "realism" of them breaking bones, because its incredibly unbalanced.

[cerulean vault]

So you are blaming the dino when it could be if you hear a juvie rex maybe dont run to it or maybe try learning to lure it to you

[hasty coyote]

yes, carnos knock you down, but they have low damage. It generally takes them 3-4 hits to actually kill you, the juvie rex just need 1. Thats the problem

[cerulean vault]

Life is not about balance

[cerulean vault]

no false as a juvie i got knocked over and killed before i got back up

i was only 52km at the time

so how did i adapt as a juvie rex

avoid carnos

when do i engage carnos now that primes are out

and primes ar 2.5 tons

I get to about 2.5 tons and fight them

[hasty coyote]

I havent done that, thats not the issue. The issue is even if you play well, so long as a rex that exact size spots you, you're pretty much dead meat as most the smaller roster.

[cerulean vault]

same thing with cera i get to 2.2 before i engage

[cerulean vault]

Maybe be more aware of your surroundings

if you constantly focus on the negative without adapting to what is you are going to be upset and frustrated

I am giving you genuine advice not being mean like some people would either

I dont let things spot me till i want them too

and if i want them to its because I am fighting them or ambushed them

I still make mistakes i learn from them

I dont blame the dino anymore

[hasty coyote]

no, its a video game, and video games are about making an enjoyable experience. If you make one dino over powered, then the majority of players are gonna gravitate towards it and away from the under powered dinos. Thus, the game basically becomes: "over powered dino overpopulation: the game". I have seen it happen time and time again with this game, and its not fun for anyone.

Hence, why the game is generally balanced well so that species have the tools to survive encounters, rather than be reduced to fodder (notice how I say generally, because there are a few outliers who are still being addressed)

[cerulean vault]

two of the smaller roster can climb, i have seen troodons take out trikes raptors can jump and juvie carnos can take you till you get to 36%

[cerulean vault]

I said adapt and you are unwilling to admit you need to adapt to the current climate or you could call it a heatwave in this conversation you are unwilling to get inside but stand outside in 130 degree weather and argue its hot

of course its hot

its a hordetest

adapt

because if you get good enought at fighting them now who knows maybe when they get worked on who knows you will be even better then because you handled them when they were overpowered as you say

[hasty coyote]

depends on how big you were. For what I'm referring to: its mostly impacting omnis, pachies, dilos, ceras, and tenos for a shorter time. All of which can tank multiple carno knockdowns.

The very small dinos smaller than this already have the escape tools to deal with carno 1-shotting them, so they have an even easier time when dealing with the juvie rex. They are not the problem

[hasty coyote]

prime carno is 1.8 tons, not nearly that big

[cerulean vault]

they can still knock you over at 1800

unless i was just unlucky

carnos usually run in pairs

[hasty coyote]

you should always be aware of your surroundings, but it doesnt matter when that juvie rex could be hiding in a bush 100 meters away and still have the speed and stam to catch and pin you.

[cerulean vault]

that is why i said 2.5 tons for the rex

[cerulean vault]

I pay attention to every bush rattle if you are being stalked and not see them you lose

and also 2.5 tons is still not safe because maia and dibble

See i get used to when things are overpowerd and practice using the animal not abusing its broken features

I dont make excuses anymore when i die i just get better

[hasty coyote]

you're advice for "adapting" is to just simply not exist in the same area. That is how you adapt to an over powered dino that you have no hope of dealing with, and basically amounts to "just don't play the game". Which again, just leads back to my earlier argument that overpowered dinos should be nerfed so that everyone has fun, otherwise everyone just plays the op dino and no one has fun.

[cerulean vault]

and there is somethings i can't beat a mixpackfor example which they are working on a fix for that

[cerulean vault]

no i exist

I just dont let things see me

[hasty coyote]

yes, and again, earlier arguement: bring attention to the issue so that it gets fixed.

[cerulean vault]

90% of dinos are roaring running making noise and i see them

that is why i get prime everytime and am successful when i hunt when "a.i" doest spawn i dont camp dibble hotspots

[cerulean vault]

and I am telling you need to adapt to the current hot climate

Yes its hot yes maybe it isnt fair but there is always something you could do to change your current problem

[hasty coyote]

they may have changed carno's knockdown math in the ht, because I have seen them flip ceras as well, but that may be due to a weight difference.

Either way, you can survive the knockdown as anything that lacks the mobility tools to easily escape, unlike with juvie rex who just breaks your legs the moment it lands a hit.

[hasty coyote]

yes, great, won't save you because you can't hear a juvie rex until its too close.

[cerulean vault]

brother they dont know how to shutup

and the few that dont let themselves be heard theyy are smart

[hasty coyote]

yes, there are issues with stuff like mixpacks, but again, I said generally with a few exceptions they are trying to fix.

[cerulean vault]

If you are a utah dont bark 24/7

if you do make sure you are up high

dilo hunt at night

and can kill a juvie rex with ease

[hasty coyote]

so again, the optimal play is to simply not exist, very engaging gamely for all parties.

[cerulean vault]

I was stalking to utahs one time

they were barking this was at north lake

[hasty coyote]

I should not have to rely on my enemy's incompetence to survive

[cerulean vault]

I got over the bridge and got within the grass right i was 560kgs at the time buddy was 600 i think ish and we killed those utahs who were sitting and barking they never saw us

I was a juvi rex

one jumped on me but i was too big buddy waited till he fell off he bit him and then we watched him walk around with a broke leg

[hasty coyote]

nice, ambushes are great, and I think juvie rex should be able to capitalize off them to catch unaware players

[cerulean vault]

then why previously did you have a issue with being caught yourself

[hasty coyote]

the issue I have is that even a completely aware player is still gonna jsut get pinned and leg broken instantly

[cerulean vault]

i was heavier then the utah and my stam bar was drained

[hasty coyote]

because theres a difference between having something run out of the bushes from across a field and 1 tap me, than have something come out the bushes right behind me and weaken me so that the fight is immediately in their favor.

[cerulean vault]

maybe add the fracture mutaition to your list of mutations

[cerulean vault]

I was 50 feet from them and they never saw me

[hasty coyote]

it wont save you because of how much fracture damage rex deals

[cerulean vault]

till i was on them

[hasty coyote]

they can 1 hit fracture things around their own size with the regular crush

if they can pin you, no fracture resist mutaiton nor diet will save you

[cerulean vault]

Yes and i have been trying to tell you to adapt to that and just pick your engagments

I know plenty of utahs that hunt juvie rexes

[hasty coyote]

Again, all you have been showing me is that juvie rex is op because the only way to deal with it is to simply never get seen

[cerulean vault]

then ambush them correct

you have finally figured it out

🫡

[hasty coyote]

except ambushing them doesnt matter, because they have enough hp to just tank the hits, and then 1-tap fracture you anyway

[cerulean vault]

that is why you hunt in groups not solo

if i am a small dino i am with a buddy

or two

herras can 1 tap them its quite funny to watch a juvi rex drop from a herra

[hasty coyote]

group up or die is a horrible argument and just enforces the fact that juvie rexes are op

[cerulean vault]

I am saying adapt or die

because if you adapt now and lets say the devs nerf them you will be even better to equipped to handle them in a nerfed state

[hasty coyote]

the issue is the "adaptation" is to simply hide in a corner all your life
OR
just swap to the op rex

thats the problem

[cerulean vault]

Idont hide in corners can't get prime that way

[hasty coyote]

and you seem to be playing rex so you have already figured out the preferable solution, congrats

[lament hollow]

A person shouldn't have to completely change all playstyles and function to survive because of a new Dino. I'm with Rapdex on this. We should be able to run around the map with chances to actually see in the open rather than cower in the bushes because something's so strong that nothing else can even survive walking past it.

[cerulean vault]

there is this guy on youtube who just plays troo and kills maia's and stuff its crazy but possible

[cerulean vault]

I mained rex in legacy and deino in evrima i play trike utah dilo pachy for fun

[lament hollow]

Not everyone wants to 'adapt' to halfway hiding and only stepping out when their growth is at a good point. Part of this game's draw is the Dino v Dino interaction and should be kept that way—without one-sidedness taking that from it.

[cerulean vault]

i play all sorts of things and i adapt and change my playstyle to things so i can still get big and enjoy the game

[cerulean vault]

I never said hide you two did

I stalk and ambush as necessary i dont pick fights that i know i am going to lose thats dumb

if i am a 50% rex do you think i am going to go after a fg rex or go after a sub steg

i think sub steg

which i have done

I also have killed a prime cera at 2 tons

[lament hollow]

You said 'adapt' as in "I just don't let things see me" and "that's why you don't play solo."

So, sneaking around in shadows until you find a good ambush and then having to stick to groups of people in order to play. Doesn't sound like a solution, sounds like a temporary fix until this is all attended to.

[cerulean vault]

I dont i have had to play solo

Ii dont i ambush hunt

[hasty coyote]

and? Those defending dinos have plenty of ways to deal with a measly troodon, and troodon has plenty of ways to escape them. He simply is out playing them.

Juvie rex on the other hand has plenty of options for killing or running from the smalls, while the smalls don't have many options to kill the rex and very few options for escaping. Their ONLY hope is that the rex is bad or they are insanely good. Which just goes to show, juvie rex is unbalanced.

[lament hollow]

No one said pick fights. He said he shouldn't be run down across one of the many massive fields and one-tapped.

[cerulean vault]

if i dont ambush hunt

[cerulean vault]

stop trying to backy up your buddy your bias is showing

Yall i think i am done with the conversation

Yall are not willing to admit to needing to adapt you just wanna complain the toy is broke

[lament hollow]

Great idea to result to assumptions. I do not know this person. I merely love this game and dislike how OP this one carnivore seems to be.

[cerulean vault]

so i am going to go have fun and ejnoy the isle as a Deino or maybe utah and have fun cheers

[hasty coyote]

yeah, the toy is broken, thats the whole issue

[cerulean vault]

Me and my bud are actually going to play trike together so enjoy your evening

[lament hollow]

Please tell me the correct adaptation to being run down over a great distance and one-tapped because of the crush mechanic. I don't hate the mechanic. I think it's very cool. This, however, shouldn't be a concern.

[lament hollow]

You too brother

[hasty coyote]

rather than trying to play with a broken toy, I'm trying to get those who can fix it to do so

[cerulean vault]

why did you let them get close in the first place and not see them

[lament hollow]

This

[hasty coyote]

brother they are 100 meters away

[lament hollow]

PSA: Not all Juvie dinos are fast.

[cerulean vault]

and you didnt see them

dang you need glasses man

[hasty coyote]

me when bushes exist

[cerulean vault]

they do exist

[hasty coyote]

so I can't insult you, but you can insult me?

[lament hollow]

Doesn't mean they shouldn't have any chance at survival against a fellow juvie.

[hasty coyote]

nice

[cerulean vault]

i insutl myself

[lament hollow]

...How does that make it any better?

Don't insult at all. It isn't called to be in our language.

[cerulean vault]

it doesnt

[lament hollow]

Okay

[cerulean vault]

Just a human response to people who keep complaining about the same thing and not doing anything about it do adapt but complain

[dusky surge]

imma be real man why should you be forced to adapt to bad game design

[cerulean vault]

SO because i am getting frustrated with you i am going to go enjoy my eveing

[lament hollow]

Again, you've not told us anything but 'you should just get better at the game.' That's not a helpful response to an OP dino.

[cerulean vault]

Because i want to enjoy the game

[hasty coyote]

so whats the point in the horde test if we aren't supposed to report the issues?

[dusky surge]

so does everyone here

[lament hollow]

...Then perhaps we should ask the devs to correct the issue and everyone can do so.

[dusky surge]

that's why they don't like features/animals that make the game less enjoyable

[cerulean vault]

Complaining for 50 minutes has done nothing productive

there was no learning or adapting but complaining

[lament hollow]

We aren't complaining? We're having a discussion.

Spirited discussion =/= complaining. People can talk about what makes them uncomfortable. It could even help brainstorm a suggestion.

[cerulean vault]

for 50 minutes about the same thing that i have offered solutions for but were discounted because you didnt want to

at that point i am walking away

[hasty coyote]

not really, but it has given me counterarguments I can break when I do get the time to make a massive spiel in #balance-feedback and also strengthened my resolve to do so

[cerulean vault]

I would rather just adapt in game and have fun not get better at arguing

[lament hollow]

Adaptation is something we've all done multiple times for this game. I usually play solo small dinos and have learned.

That still doesn't make the problems go away, though. If my door hinge is squeaky, maybe I should use WD40.

[cerulean vault]

no it doesnt

but at least you are trying not complaining

[hasty coyote]

I would rather the game just be fair rather than having to play 10x better than every opponent just to keep the hours I spent growing.

[lament hollow]

Whining is not the same as asking the person with the WD40 can if they could oil the squeaky door hinge.

[cerulean vault]

you are actively doing something about it

[cerulean vault]

Game is never going to be fair

[lament hollow]

Whining would be complaining a hinge in my house is squeaky but refusing to get the WD40 can.

[cerulean vault]

Dondi said himself that the game would not be fair

There is somethings you are not meant to fight

or something to that effect

[hasty coyote]

It prob won't ever be entirely balanced. Doesnt mean we shouldnt try. Why else does this channel exist lol.

[cerulean vault]

I forget

[lament hollow]

Okay, so what you are saying is:

Our opinions are invalid because we chose to bring up an issue and discuss it rather than live with it and keep our heads down.

[cerulean vault]

Yes there is puting a solution forward then adapting anyways

yesterday when people said deino should have more bite force

or two days ago

you will have to scroll

[dusky surge]

something something politics lmao

[cerulean vault]

no

I am saying put forward a solution and go adapt to the current climate

[lament hollow]

Well, okay, then? How do you know we aren't here to discuss and brainstorm and then adapting in-game like you said? You're assuming we just dropped the game and said "it sucks." We love the game. That's why we're here to suggest change.

[cerulean vault]

not spend 1 hour talking about the same thing and saying its not fair

[lament hollow]

Seems like we've all been in agreement this entire time.

[cerulean vault]

Me and you maybe

So i am done yall enjoy your evening sorry rapdex about the insult that wasnt right I hope you have a better experience

🫡

[lament hollow]

The hour has been spent because we have conflicting viewpoints and want to hear each other's opinions. Isn't that how anything gets resolved?

[lament hollow]

You as well.

[hasty coyote]

From all I can interpret from multiple dev responses about similar topics, they generally mean this:

The game is not a fighting game, you shouldn't be able to walk up and fight something 10x your size and expect a fair fight. Many times, your best option is to just run. The game is a survival game and is balanced around your ability to survive, whether that be running or fighting. Though it likely will never be perfectly balanced just due to the diversity and quantity of the roster.

[hasty coyote]

sounds good then, apology accepted, sorry for my earlier insult as well. Happy hunting

[cerulean vault]

https://tenor.com/view/fair-enough-shea-brennan-sam-elliott-1883-thats-reasonable-gif-24225989

[lament hollow]

👍

[deft breach]

What Happens to the hordtest? The 3rd ptera dies to starvation no Fish spawn… from Water Access down to swamps Not a Single Fish school.

[cosmic pelican]

You can "spawn" fish yourself as a ptera on HT

[deft breach]

How ^^

Glidefishing?

[cosmic pelican]

Hold RMB at the waters edge, your ptera should go into a crouching position. Wait a minute or 2, and once you see a fish swim near you, press RMB

[deft breach]

Nice thx for the Tipp

[cosmic pelican]

You can do thid anywhere, even in the ocean or on a no ai server

[thorn mountain]

@distant anvil its because they dont want pvp pteranodon

[deft breach]

Yea I Play on no au

Ai

[cosmic pelican]

It takes a WHILE to catch fish this way keep that in mind

[deft breach]

Why .. XD

[cosmic pelican]

Cuz its kinda bonkers op, basically grazing for ptera

[thorn mountain]

because its dumb

straight up.

and don said on stream yeah its going to get worse for pvp pteras

[deft breach]

Hm what makes that dino different than all, but with Rex pin when it stand like that the Game is dead anyways 😅

Oh update

Maybe some good happens ^^

[distant anvil]

Well that's sad.

[stark spear]

its really not, pvp ptera is just dumb

[distant anvil]

So just ignore the players who enjoy PvP then?

I always thought it added to the survival aspect, as a newborn or juvie being worried that a Petra may descend and eat them. Kinda like baby turtles worried about seagulls.

I guess most people do enjoy an easier game and not having to worry about pesky fliers makes things easier for most.

[stark spear]

I would agree if it was on the ground combat as you see with seagulls they dont go picking the turtles up mid flight, they have to land on the ground. I do not agree with pecking from the air because thats ridiculous making it impossible for anything to defend itself unless the ptera messes up and falls on the ground. You cant have one sided fights or it ruins the balance.
The people who enjoy ptera pvp only enjoy it because nothing can fight back except those that can jump

[distant anvil]

I can see how you'd be frustrated, I thought that if they made it so Petra couldn't fly through bushes without being knocked down. That'd help provide a lot of cover to the select species that couldn't do jump attacks.

Could also greatly reduce the peck damage and give them maybe a dive attack that forces a landing. Kinda like Herrera. Deals a good bit of damage but you're vulernable on the ground for a moment if you didn't outright kill your prey.

[stark spear]

That i can get behind. That gives adults the chance to protect their young also as opposed to the ptera being able to blatantly ignore the adult as it used to be

[obsidian yacht]

Me when someone compares a 9 ton super predator to a 45kg primarily piscivore

[dusky surge]

#balance-feedback message

i genuinely dont know whats being suggested here

we went through the entire carnivore roster lmao

[slim dragon]

Raptor buff
It's all you need to know to downvote

[storm epoch]

i think the best for raptor is have a pack bonus that gives more health and less damage the more players you have in the area, and have solo or duo raptors have a bit more damage and more viable. i think that would solve everyones problem

[dusky surge]

that'd make the problem worse

now you have inconsistent stats for raptor that makes them more unbalanced and clunky to play

also, why would you want more health and less damage when with a group? isn't part of the benefit of a group that they can take hits for you? nerfing damage and buffing health in a group seems like the opposite of what you want

[rigid tulip]

so cringe

"hey lets remove the highest skill cap in the game cause it pisses me off"

guess we have to wait for quetz

but i doubt it will have the stamina to fly up a single hill. its going to have both apex stam issues and flyer stam issues. probably will be the most massacred playable in the game balance wise

[rigid tulip]

the reason we enjoy it is because it (was) an unparalleled sense of freedom and it feels 10x more rewarding to get kills as it than any other playable. making zero mistakes for minutes upon minutes and perfectly timing pecks and headshots and chipping something away is so unbelievably fun because its a whole different dimension of combat

literally let dinos just look up and hit upwards and everything is fine. we dont need to completely gut a playable that adds so much diversity and variance to gameplay

[crimson niche]

@wanton notch u should text here bro
i dont want ptera to do pvp but his stamina is no fun for a neutral or passive gameplay either

[wanton notch]

My b I was in the wrong channel so I changed my message to suggest reverting it essentially to allow it to fly like a FLYER should be able to do

[crimson niche]

by just gaining SOME height ur stam is done for

[wanton notch]

If the Ptera can't pvp then it's simply an AI only dino, that is what they want, despite the fun coming from the pvp in this game they want to lock it completely out of it, but I don't think they understand by taking out pvp they are only ENCOURAGING SCOUTING since that's the only thing it will be able to do anyway, then at that point the mixpacks are going to stay a problem with scouts

[crimson niche]

its just for fun tbf and to play a chill cozy dino
which u cant rlly bc of the insane stamina debuff

[wanton notch]

Yea but it should be allowed to PVP, it's what ties the dino to the ecosystem and without it it's got 0 reason to interact with anything but ai, which is not fun, what is the point of getting elder or prime elder on a dino that isn't seeing any real action, at that point just add a real spectator mode because playing Ptera would be pointless after 15-20 minutes of flying around and getting bored of looking at the same mountain ranges and tree canopies

[vale brook]

tbf, i think a PT that has entombed a few times could still be really dangerous for juvies

pteranodon rn is already kind of a menace, so imagine congen/damage mutations buffed a few times alongside being prime elder or somethin

you could really be a juvie menace

idk, i think its kinda weird too but

[wanton notch]

Yea but I thought they just changed the max entombs to 2? They would still hurt Ptera cause it's only getting pennies to the dime on damage anyway with the direction they've been going with it but for sure at least it would be in the same boat as current patch with damage being better but worse overall controls due to camera issues and apparently plans to nerf the combat further in upcoming patches, as far as hunting Juvies it'll definitely be way nicer with the damage mutes from entombing so I'm excited to see that depending on what makes it through the HT

[native urchin]

#balance-feedback message @river kite if rex is leg fracture, he can't use crush, and body fracture doesn't limit any dino kit, aside from wasting a lot of stam, whihc is the same case for every dino, rex included.

head fracture does not limit any dinosaur, aside from putting the dmg dealt to half.

[river kite]

completely wrong, actually.

body fracture disables trikes spar stance, hold lmb, sprint lmb, and alt attacks

teno cant kick, pachy cant alt or headbutt

etc

[deft breach]

How is that possible?! I spearfished a fish, 10mins later not even the animation works…

[native urchin]

no it does not XD body fracture u can do everything, it just costs a lot of stam! im not sure about trike sparring mode, btu the trike i body broke could alt attack. stego can swing and power swing with body fracture and leg fracture. teno can kick and slam

so no, you are very wrong! it might feel like some attacks are not doable, because u run out of stam so fast, like one power swing takes like 25% stam or something, if not even more

[river kite]

dog i am not gonna argue with you with what factually happens ingame

go test it yourself, I see no need to bother if you won't research things before claiming something

[native urchin]

i think you need to get your facts straight ahaha

[river kite]

whatever lets you sleep at night

[native urchin]

Trike alt attacks while being body fracture

[river kite]

thats a leg break my brother in christ

this is exactly my point

good day.

[dusky surge]

LMAO

[native urchin]

no, u cant alt attack on a leg break

[river kite]

#balance-feedback-discussion message

[dusky surge]

the confidence to disagree without even trying to be sure

[native urchin]

i am 100% sure... just like omni can pounce with a broken body, but not with a leg fracture

[dusky surge]

that's omni

we're not talking about omni are we

ironic that you've argued with people and brought up the argument of "try the animal out first before making critiques", only to then argue with the person quite literally who's tested these animals on facts you would only know if you played them

[native urchin]

its a fact of fractures.
head fracture = halfs your bite force dmg, and limits your screen
body fracture = any attack and running will consume your stamina much more
leg fracture = you are cooked... cant alt attack, nor use main attacks aside from teh left click one (stego the exemption, can still alt swing and power swing)

[dusky surge]

and you dont think there could be other exemptions lmao

[native urchin]

there arent XD unless it has changed THIS hordetest, there are not

[native urchin]

saying this trike has a leg break shows how clueless you guys are... trike alt attacked, meaning was a body fracture... and u can see its leg is not up, meaning its not a leg break

[twilit seal]

Do you play the same game lmao?

Body fracture only increases stam usage

[river kite]

sigh

[twilit seal]

Leg fracture disables movement attacks

[river kite]

spawn in please, as a trike, and drop yourself off a cliff and break your legs. someone else did this and couldnt alt attack or spar mode or hold lmb

[twilit seal]

Head fracture doesnt cancel ang attacks

[twilit seal]

Cuz thats a mf leg fracture not a body

[native urchin]

yes LEG BREAK... not body fracture

[twilit seal]

You said body fracture

Head fracture also reduces your damage and lowers vision, no attcks disabled

[river kite]

why does leg fracture disable teno kick then?

[twilit seal]

Cuz its a leg attack

You cant claw either

[river kite]

so its not uniform across all dinos?

[native urchin]

leg fracture does disable attacks

teno with leg fracture can only bite and slam

[twilit seal]

Its not no

[river kite]

then...?

[twilit seal]

Stego with leg fracture can use power swing

But afaik no alt swings

[native urchin]

body fracture doesnt disables attacks

[river kite]

stego can use power with both a leg and body. and still can alt as well

[twilit seal]

Yeah whats your point? Didnt you say body fracture disables attacks

Which is just false, only leg fracture does

[river kite]

let me leg fracture this stupid trike so i can see for myself. one sec

[native urchin]

can u read or not?

u know there is a difference between body fracture and leg fracture right?

leg fracture yes: trike wont be able to spar! its true

[twilit seal]

Im just gonna link the isle wiki at this point

[river kite]

can you read? i am going off of information someone else provided me. let me test it.

oh woudl you look at that

[native urchin]

wdym... its what i said

[river kite]

i was part wrong, i cant alt, spar stance, hold lmb, sprint lmb

[native urchin]

poa, omg.... u were talking about body fracture

body fracture u can do these things, u can alt attack for sure on trike, i am not sure about sparring mode though.

but any other dinos, can do any attack on BODY fracture.

LEG fracture disables your attacks, yes

[river kite]

#balance-feedback-discussion message youre correct i said body instead of leg

i was wrong and i apologize

[native urchin]

all gucci! just a misunderstanding! we were basically agreeing XD we just thought we were meaning the wrong thing

[twilit seal]

Lol all good thats why we were arguing, we knew leg break disabled attacks, so it disables sparring too yeah?

[river kite]

i tried everything, only lmb and thrash worked

funnily enough, i could still slide

[twilit seal]

Hold lmb?

[river kite]

didnt work

[twilit seal]

Honestly I do think ceratopsians should be able to spar with leg break

With reduced speed

[river kite]

ideally yeah. you die almost instantly after leg break

rex crush is finally not spammable tho, so the balance has probably shifted quite a bit

[dusky surge]

Did they fix the g cancel

[river kite]

according to another, yeah. g animation cancel doesnt exist anymore

[dusky surge]

Sick lol

[twilit seal]

They changed it?

Thats pretty good, thats honestly what made it oppressive

[dusky surge]

There’s more that makes it oppressive but the animation cancel was pretty bad lol

[twilit seal]

In apex matchups, that was the only reason to be fair

[river kite]

3 crushes not going off within 1.75sec or so is a pretty good start

[twilit seal]

Leg break was fast cuz you could spam crushes fast

Rn the self stagger will make it pretty situational to use especially against trikes

[river kite]

hopefully missing crush is actually punishable now as well

instead of just being animation canceled lmao

[twilit seal]

Tbh I would keep the cooldown less if it connects, if it misses sure but a hit could use less of a stagger

[river kite]

trike/stego growth curves also got changed to be like rex if you didnt see as well

so if you see a small one, it weighs like nothing now

trike used to leave sanc at 780kg. i left at 180kg lmao

[twilit seal]

Yeah I saw

They are fast af and animations bug

[twilit seal]

Stego reaches from 200 kg to 2000 kg in like 5%

from 35 to 40

[river kite]

ye, i made a bug report about that LOL. i gained 600kg in one growth tick

[twilit seal]

I honestly think its intentional

But stego trot gets bugged with the new speed

And both babies look stupid with their animations going that fast

[river kite]

sprint looks goofy as hell as well. and i never really stopped sliding as a stego

overall i like it tho, just needs some polishing

[worn sentinel]

@dusky surge why did you reckon my take wasn’t valid? Not trying to start an argument or something just wanna see your side

[neon willow]

I'm not Mr. Pachy, but my take is more ambivalent to your suggestion. Why do you think that carno should weigh more because cerato does?

(Note: I do think it's ridiculous that cerato has gotten repeatedly buffed recently... But if anything that's an argument for a cerato nerf, not a carno buff)

[worn sentinel]

bc for me personally, i think carno should weigh more because its is needed to knock into things so naturally a creature that needs to ram into things I feel should evolve to weigh more than a scavenger who needs to smell corpses

[neon willow]

But how would that help game balance? Applying irl logic is dangerous because so much of the Isle is not based in reality (see,: cloned dinosaurs, Herrera that can climb trees, venomous dilo, literally all of omni, the fact that carno headbutts things, literally half of the roster coexisting in the same place at the same time as the other half of the roster, the number of apex predators that are expected to get along, etc). Probably some other things I'm forgetting right now too.

[worn sentinel]

yeah applying logic to this game can make it tricky but with the rising roster and whats shown in the concept carno should def be heavier but elder is def helping with the issue

[viscid mica]

@random stump holy you actually cooked

[random stump]

broken clocks are right twice a day (i realized the stuff about deino was braindead)

[hasty coyote]

If only I could actually agree

[eager saddle]

Facts

[golden coral]

@frosty heron Would that have been an elder prime stego then?

[frosty heron]

Pretty sure it wasnt a prime elder but it could be just in the middle of the growth

Maybe 80% grown or something , anyhow is just dumb Stego is getting 9.4T from Elder when theres clear evidence that the living thing was nowhere close to even 6 Tons

And its getting that size is less than 7 hours , Rex in 7 hours is just 6 Tons , needs a check for sure

[dusky surge]

Elders won't be so quick to get in the future

They're only so fast right now for testing purposes

[golden coral]

Stegos were 8T irl, just so you know

So they could technically up the base stego to that size, if they wanted it as a proper apex

[golden coral]

Well, unless things have changed, stegos can't stun things above their own weight so, but that was also a not that large rex, so maybe it was a growing prime, yes

Still, if the stego was larger than the rex, then it's reasonable it can do that to it

[golden coral]

Rex is far more powerful, as is trike. There's no issue there

[frosty heron]

The most famous Stego specimen is estimated to weight between 3 to 4 tons , ima not taking that 8 tons as something precise or even possble

[golden coral]

Im pretty sure the one you're thinking of is nowhere near grown so yeah

[frosty heron]

Doesnt match the situation ive faced

[golden coral]

But it is very much possible, stegos were not tiny, people just failed to realize the find was a subadult or some such

[golden coral]

Then I don't really know what you've been up to, overall it seems like its always in the stegos best option to run, unless it is larger, which only happens with prime elder vs an adult really

[frosty heron]

Ima not gonna debate about this on this Discord when theres clear BIAS torwards carnivores , ive been watching it for months and all possible suggestions that benefit carnivores get downvotes (devs even so still buffing carnivores, ask yourself why) , check on the values or NOBODY will be playing Rex on launch

[golden coral]

So prime stego can match up to an adult rex, but dies to a prime rex, just like how normal stego dies to normal rex

[dusky surge]

also even if stego was 3-4 tons irl, who actually cares? diablo is 1-2 tons irl yet 3 tons ingame

it doesn't matter

[golden coral]

I think rex is rather popular on HT, but maybe it's died down

[hasty coyote]

Even if rex takes longer to grow, I see no issue with it dying to a stego. Stego has less sprint, less trot speed, and barely 30 seconds more stam (meaning it out stams rex with only 30% remaining). And if it chases a rex, it burns all of its stam and now can no longer power swing enough to kill the rex (since it needs 60% of its stam to even kill a rex with power swings). The only way you lose to a stego is if you approach it without a proper ambush.

[golden coral]

To be fair, people still believing the subadult is a fully grown adult and thinking stegos were tiny is a bit frustrating, when they can grow up to 7+T at the very least, and about 8 in full

[frosty heron]

Popular? Hell yeah it is , only to watch those getting to prime elder are mixpackers ,hackers or anything else , not solo players

[dusky surge]

idk i see pretty much anyone get to elder

just farm dibble AI and chill out 95% of your life

[golden coral]

Fair, though I don't think that really matters here, both of those are issues of their own

[frosty heron]

You clearly never played Rex lmao

[golden coral]

And even then, the stego has to run I'm pretty sure

[dusky surge]

ive seen 15+ rexes hanging out and chilling on dibble AI and that gameplay isn't for me

i'll play rex if they add challenge to it lmao

[frosty heron]

Then dont give points of view when you really DONT have an actual point of view, grow one , solo and then talk

[dusky surge]

i'll do it if/when they remove dibble AI

i want to play rex for real, not the crutched easy version

[frosty heron]

Good luck when you get either cannied , found by a hacker or just killed as juvenile budd

And have fun for whole 10 hours btw

[hasty coyote]

yeah stego still gets absolutely bodied on ht, you are pretty much fodder to rexes if you can't break los as a 6 ton walking billboard. The ONLY way to escape from what I have seen is to go through a forest to break los, find a trail, and hope the rex doesnt guess what direction you went.

[dusky surge]

^

[golden coral]

I hope it's not that bad, it sounds a little too rough honestly

[dusky surge]

you basically need to know where every rex is at all times

because if it gets too close, you die

even if it's a sub-adult it can easily fracture you, then just crushspam you until you get pinned and die

and it has both the speed and stam to easily obliterate you every time

[golden coral]

So, might as well be a galli or a dryo then, if that's the gameplay and mentality you need

At least dryo makes cute noises, so its not all bad

[dusky surge]

dryo also has a better chance of surviving its prey than stego, and doesn't take literal hours

dryo is quite literally the better option

[hasty coyote]

at same growth, iirc you can stun them, but it doesnt matter because they will land a crush to break your legs and stun you back (or just pin you if they're prime elder and you aren't), then 1-2 more crushes for a pin, which is gg.

[hasty coyote]

dryo has a better chance of escaping an omni in the plains than a stego does a rex

genuinely just rex fodder: the playable

[rigid tulip]

Exactly i wanna be an ambush predator land deino that has to stealth with my massive loud ahh body and secure that brutal execution for my efforts

[golden coral]

... There's no way you're being serious or that its that bad

[hasty coyote]

I can find a clip if you need

[golden coral]

I might, there's no way it can be that bad

[hasty coyote]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GtlOg8FHK24

[golden coral]

So it doesnt work fighting it, that I figured, but it could just have run?

[frosty heron]

10 hours vs 8 hours , seems fair

[abstract yew]

Dealing that much damage AND bone break is just insane to me

[hasty coyote]

5kph difference, so even rex only burning half its stam and stego running at the exact same time, rex would be able to gain over 40 meters of distance. Even if stego was not in the like 50 meter insta kill zone, rex trots faster and can track. So stego's only hope is to be within 1 minute of running time to a path that has a forest or something to block los. And to pray that the rex doesnt see the tracks that lead off the path.

[dusky surge]

it really doesn't, because in the future, elder stego will likely take much more time than adult rex as elders are currenty sped up for testing

[hasty coyote]

I don't think growth time should be a factor in balance. Because why not just make diablo faster than cera then? it takes longer to grow a diablo so it should just run down ceras.

[dusky surge]

which means it'll likely be closer to 16 hours vs 10 hours, and 10 hours win

which is hyper unfair for the stego

[dusky surge]

also this

justifying an animal's ability to just instawin because it "takes longer" is absurd. i guess troodon shouldnt be allowed to do anything to anyone else because it takes too little time to grow

[golden coral]

Why would stego or trike take longer than rex, or well, wouldnt it be trike matching rex, not stego?

[dusky surge]

because it's elder stego v adult rex

[golden coral]

Doesnt sound that fun, but is there any good biomes that this works in then?

[golden coral]

Oh right, sorry, Im too tired to think clearly xD

[hasty coyote]

yeah...
Imo, they should reduce the pin threshold to only half your weight, scaling up to your full weight once the target is low on stats. Then make only the pin deal fracture and change the fracture to body (at least until they finally nerf leg fracture)

[hasty coyote]

I'd have to look at the map, but I know the area above river delta at least has decent terrain for this. But stego migrations dont stay at delta forever

ah, heres a 6.6 ton rex v adult? stego thats not a short so you can see whats happening https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xamE0r2KEbs

essentially, run with all your stam, insta leg break, sit down and wait for stam since the stego can't go anywhere, pin and kill

[dusky surge]

i genuinely called that stego would need tons of buffs to survive rex and lo and behold lmao

[hasty coyote]

yep...

I also said rex should not be given fractures because of how op leg fracture is

and they gave it EXCLUSIVELY leg fracture

[dusky surge]

and it can also pin animals far larger than it too

can't wait for them to add shant and camara and they just get pinned by rex lol

yes, i know they need to fulfill a pre-requisite, but why is it a thing in the first place

raptor and troodon don't have it

correction, raptor DOES have it, but only on grapple, which requires an additional pre-requisite of an ally

#balance-feedback message

they're bad enough with dibble AI, this will make it worse

@ivory abyss

those groups of 8 rexes can now eat other rexes, worth 9.35 tons of food, or just eat their dead friends when anything bad happens

that, on top of the free food from dibble AI would make rex EXCEPTIONALLY easy to megapack with. Diets would be exceptionally simple and megapacks would be even easier than before

A better option is to remove the dibble AI, not give rex yet another avenue for more diets and food

A similar thing happened with canni carno

There were colossal megagroups of carnos eating anyone not a part of their swarm and just consuming their groupmates if they failed hunts, meaning they always got fresh food, regardless of if they won or lost the fight

[ivory abyss]

how does it work for cera then?

i say remove dibble ai and make rex a canni boom

i always thought it should be one

[golden coral]

But it did get, the power swing was for this, and it got speed buffed too, or so I've been told. Stego did get buffs, and presumably it is doing okay, seeing as few, if any, are complaining about it. You sure it's as bad as you kind of make it out to be?

[dusky surge]

it doesn't

the cera cannibalism genuinely is part of the reason why you see so many all the time on live servers

[golden coral]

Wouldnt making them cannibals only make it easier for their groups to feed?

[dusky surge]

they don't kill each other, they use each other as backup food if their hunt goes poorly

meaning that even if they can't find food, they never fear starvation

because if one member of the megapack dies, everyone else eats

remove dibble AI and do not make rex a canni and it'll hurt megapacks a lot more than if you did make it a canni

[hasty coyote]

The speed buff brought it up to 30, where it’s still slower than Rex and especially prime Rex. Like stego can kill a Rex of similar size with stuns, so long as that Rex is bad and just runs in a straight line into the thagomizer. Any other situation (like when they are the same growth) is just death for the stego because of either pins or leg fracture being a death sentence on the first hit, especially if they can’t stun.

[unkempt monolith]

I absolutely agree with this. Without ai dibbles, there are only enough large players on a full server to support 3, maybe 4 adult or prime rexes. I think if Rex was not a cannibal, but could get the mutation easily, but also that taking that mutation locked them out of prime elder... That would be pretty much perfect. Like, straight up remove it from the 3rd or 4th mutation slot so you can't take it once you're already adult. Prime rex is a hordebreaker and would eat mix packs for breakfast

[unkempt monolith]

I think Omni is in a mostly decent place right now, but the stam cost to attempt a pounce much less maintain one is pretty high. I don't think it needs a whole rework or anything, but a couple small tweaks to their trot stam regen rate and jump and pounce stamina cost could go a long way. I don't think they should be able to regen from zero while trotting, but I do think they should have slightly more staying power in the form of lower overall stamina costs

[slim dragon]

Omnis don't need that
If they're targeting something they cannot kill in one pounce, they have a pack

If they have a pack, then they can afford to run off and rest

That's what omni packs did on Spiro

[unkempt monolith]

That's also fair, we always manage to find a way. I had an adult stego get bled out by a pack of decent raptors. I wasn't a very good stego as it was fairly new at the time and I'll admit I'm not much better now, but the fact that it was doable then means it should be as doable if not more now

Maybe we all just need to... Get good, for lack of a better term. There shouldn't be any free lunches, no safety nets, there should be unwinnable scenarios.

I think you're right. Omni has the tools it needs, and it's up to us as players to take the time and actually get good at using them

[stark ether]

I think outside of pounce bugs, Omni is in a really good spot.

It’s got solid mobility, which gives it a fair chance of outrunning, out-maneuvering, or even just out-jumping threats.

Solo, it bullies anything smaller than it, and can still punch-up really well. It’s got a high skill ceiling when it comes to fighting big things if you take the time to learn hitboxes and alt attack timings.

And it probably benefits from having a pack more than any other dinosaur thanks to group takedowns on bigger targets

[burnt dove]

@forest pivot i get ur point but for me that i almost only play omni, the real buff would be in the pounce. Normal pounce cost low stam, but why the other 2 are that much stam cost? u are not dealing more dmg or bleed, u are choosing either pure dmg or pure bleed, so talking about numbers, u jsut waste stam. For me real buff would be the bleed to be an actual threat if u use 50% stam, so i cannot run forever but the other dino can't either or he'll bleed out. I did use like 55% stam bleed on a dilo for testing, he kept running while bleeding and didn't bleed out. Anyways ty all the ppl on feedback asking for love for raptors, they really need it

[forest pivot]

I have not spoken a word about the pounce yet, I might in a future balance-feedback tho

I made my suggestion about how Omniraptor is affected by eldering in almost any kind of way externally and internally but pounce is out of my field these days, I think that it really shouldn't be a pure damage or pure bleed in the first place, I like the dismount being spacebar though, that's about it

I mainly only bite when I fight with omni, as it can't function without stamina, the pounce for me just drains it too fast while I can do more damage and bleed with that same stamina if I just keep biting

[timber tusk]

Ooh, good idea. Deino may need help not starving in general, but it would also be great for Dilo to be able to digest slower during the day if it can find a safe place to rest.

Other than Dilo, I’m not sure who else is built for night hunting more than day. Troo??

[native urchin]

tbh omni bleed is nto bad! lets take in consideration that omni is a pack hunter: stam and bleed needs to be stacked and rotated between 8 omnis.... if u buff omni just based on solo/few omnis, it would become so strong!

but i agree that i would like to see the dmg pounce reduced, and simply be a bleeder like the old days, when also a tap pounce would be scary bleed.
regardgless, as a teno main, the omni packs that i died to, where using bleed, and it limited my playstyle, making me an easier target. omnis who used dmg pounce were always easier to survive

[burnt dove]

i understan that it's meant to play as 8, but... even 8 troodons are more powerful in dmg than 8 omnis. Plus needing 8 guys to make it work is almost 10% of a server in the same pack to be able to play... doesn't usually hapen. U will see more often 8 ceras or carnos than 8 omnis. All omni players rn are jsut waiting for the allo, a bigger omni to play xd

[native urchin]

play unoficcial, that has rules, if you dont want megapacks and mixpack! thats why i dont play officials!

4/5 omnis coordinated in vc are still deadly if tehy know what they are doing!

but, omni is also a dino that needs more skill than others... the pounce is not, but rarely happens that prey just fights omni in the open, so u gotta use agility and speed to get the bites!
omni, is not easy to play. (unless u camp sanctuaries and farm babies by pinning, im talking about playing omni like its supposed to be played)

i also think they should make omni growth quicker.... it takes too long for being so small!

[burnt dove]

nah, 4/5 omnis are deadly against a solo target or amybe 2 ceras/carnos if they play it bad, but the more enemies, the more omnis you need, exponentially. If there's 2 ceras, u can try with 4, but if there's 3 ceras or carnos u need the whole 8 omnis and still not sure u can do it

[burnt dove]

exactly

same growth time as dilo, with 250 kg difference is wild

[native urchin]

i mean, if there is 4 ceras, or 3 carnos, omnis stand no chance XD unless there is a MAJOR skill issue on the carnos and ceras

[burnt dove]

also, besides rex, i think omni should have ambush too, we are literallly ambush hunters xd

[dusky surge]

it's already exceptionally fast and agile (and the "ambush" isn't even really an ambush and is a terrible mechanic but whatever that's a different argument)

[native urchin]

yea... i think that would be a buff that makes omni great again... wouldnt feel as bad to grow and die! cause we are basically a one shot from everything

[dusky surge]

you'd have to nerf omni's basespeed to balance out that mechanic, which is absolutely not a sacrifice I think is worth making

[native urchin]

i wouldnt consider omni an ambusher, more of a endurant hunter... you wear down the prey, wether stam wise to grapple, or bleed

[dusky surge]

that too

omni CAN ambush, but it's also an exceptional endurance hunter, especially with its bleed output

also it's fast enough and agile enough with good stam to keep up with pretty much most prey options without a speed boost

[native urchin]

any dino can ambush, if u can ambush to get the first hiut is always worth it, but omni is not going to kill anything one shot, unless its pinnable

[burnt dove]

with ambush i mean the "ambush mehanic" from legacy

where u can crouch and after 10 secs u got the move speed bonus for low time

[dusky surge]

that mechanic sucked in legacy, and would necessitate a nerf to omni's speed to compensate

which again, imho, is not worth it

[burnt dove]

and nope, omni bleed last long, but you can't really bleed out anything cause the bleed is waaay low on time

u need like 1 whole hour to bleed anything

[burnt dove]

hummm omni's speed is not really a thing rn, dilos are faster, stronger, so are carnos, ceras accelerations is way higher than ours...

[native urchin]

omni fights are always long.... everytime i fought omni packs on my teno its a fight that takes 10/15 minutes minimum, everytime we hunted a stego (as omni) it always took a while

[native urchin]

we bled out a dibble in 2 minutes

[burnt dove]

but you are talking about herbs, the problem rn is that every single carnivore is killing omnis for free cause every single one is stronger

[dusky surge]

omni's speed is great alongside its agility, wdym? it's by far the game's most mobile animal. Turns on a dime, unlike dilo and carno who have terrible agility, alongside speed that exceeds most creatures in the game, even small flighty critters like troodon or dryo

and it can jump to add even more movement

if you run in a straight line against faster threats, which you really should not be doing, yea, you'll probably get clobbered

[native urchin]

ceras dont have better acceleration XD carnos are yes faster, and dilo as well, but omni is more agile! u just have to swoo your way into the jungle and lsoe em, or jump on a rock

[burnt dove]

if you will 100% fight that's good, but if u need to run away, turning bit faster isn't really a thing

[dusky surge]

also ceras and omnis both have near instant accel, i dont think cera's have any advantages in that department

[burnt dove]

ypu can escape carnos but deffo not dilos

[native urchin]

dilos cant even slide... carnos are more agile from that standpoint

[burnt dove]

ceras do have way more acceleration, mybe 20% more or so

[dusky surge]

it absolutely is. As someone who plays a good amount of raptor, out-turning your foe is pretty vital to survival, and with dilos, you can use that agility plus your ability to jump to escape them effectively

[native urchin]

if u get caught alone in teh open, well! ggs... a carno should not lose to an omni 1vs1, like ever

dilo is more on a worst spot compared to omni in taht department.... they cant outurn a carno pretty much XD u need trees and jungle to have a chance to escape, and apply venom so they lose u in the fog

[burnt dove]

unless you run in circles, and u aren't still scaping from him, it's way useless the difference on the turning

also, u have not rocks every 50m to jump on

[native urchin]

well, you gotta turn, use trees but keep moving!

lets not forget, they made carno SPECIALIZED in killing omnis dilos and anything small

[burnt dove]

even with trees, bushes, and the turning, it soooo hard to escape

[burnt dove]

meh i'm literally more afraid of dilos tahn carnos haha

[native urchin]

i can usually escape one carno, but yea, if more i struggle as well!

but solo omni is free food, for pack hunters its usually how it is.

even cera is free food alone, if met with a pack

[burnt dove]

i understand carnos being way faster, but dilos being 0.7 faster than omnis... why

[native urchin]

cause tehy cant jump i guess! and omni have the best agility in teh game

[dusky surge]

because they have far less agility and can't jump

if they weren't, they'd just get run down by omnis and die

[native urchin]

during day dilo is already walking food for carnos

[hasty coyote]

You can either use cover to break Los and make a sharp turn, which should get them off your tail. Or you can just run around the dilo faster than it can turn, then land a pounce. Land a bleed pounce and run off if you just want to escape, or 2-3 damage pounces should be enough to kill the dilo.

[dusky surge]

bleed pounces also might just make it want to give up since its not very good against bleed lol

and 2 raptors will just grapple it to death so that also works

[hasty coyote]

The 0.7 means that in a for every 1 minute of the chase, they get less than 12 meters closer.

That’s really not much, especially if you just make a sharp turn every time they get close and are able to break Los.

[faint robin]

@native urchin https://youtu.be/6KvjHpbEnEs?si=n_8GLmU0mmIxHlSi
7:47 smaller rex breaks bigger trike in 1 crush (you can hear the sound, either body or head fracture)

Also head on.

[native urchin]

It’s not smaller, and it’s not broken after the first crush! That’s the sound crush makes! Trike body fractured looks crippled

[faint robin]

Rex is way smaller lol

[native urchin]

No? Thats around 6 tons at least!

[faint robin]

Trike is fg

[hasty coyote]

I don't hear a bone break on that crush, just sounds like standard crush and trike noises along with smash bros attack sound effects. I don't see a bone break either, since from as far as I can tell, rex can only fracture legs.

[faint robin]

Rex forgot he can spam crush

We need a proper vid of good rex v good trike

I still heavily disagree with rex being able to kill trike this easily after facing it

[native urchin]

They can’t no more

[faint robin]

Crush also does too much for an attack

[faint robin]

Nothing abt it in patchnotes

[hasty coyote]

I'd be fine with crush's damage if it had more end lag, had lower pin thresholds, and didnt leg fracture.

[hasty coyote]

from what I heard they have fixed the "pressing g to cancel the end lag" bug. But I havent tested it myself.

[faint robin]

Ah that thing, ye mb

Still no proper crush nerfs🥀

[native urchin]

They did, I played Rex and u cant g cancel no more, and if u miss u stand there like an idiot!
So trike was stronger before and it’s stronger now

[native urchin]

It doesn’t need it lol

[hasty coyote]

no, but they solved the problem by buffing cera

[faint robin]

It needs one. Too much for 3k dmg attack. You can't have all the cookies, rex

[native urchin]

Still does less then thrash

[native urchin]

2.4k

[faint robin]

Thrash is stationary 2 hit attack, you can run while crushing

[hasty coyote]

it was not stronger. Trike makes a single mistake and gets leg fracture, which is just death. Rex makes a single mistake and lives the thrash unless it was a headshot knockdown thrash (which shouldnt happen unless the rex makes an egregious error)

[native urchin]

Missing crush will stun you now, so there u go! One Rex mistake and it’s dead

[native urchin]

You have tactile, chase the Rex and it will bleed out after one thrash, and u outstam Rex, especially if it used crush

[faint robin]

Its not dead, rex can't die to trike unless it wants to. Even if you idk stay afk to get thrashed - you can just disengage

[hasty coyote]

unless the rex decides to keep fighting, in which case it can still get leg fracture on you for a misplay.

[native urchin]

Only when u get wounded you get fractured,but again! Don’t let Rex behind u, and at worst you are yellow

[faint robin]

Rex also just autowins if youre orange no matter how low rex is

[hasty coyote]

"don't let rex get behind" is just like saying "don't get thrashed by trike"

[native urchin]

If u hit Rex with a knock and thrash u can chase him, he gonna bleed out, or run out of stam before u do!

[native urchin]

Exactly means that! Get better, be better! Simple

The better players wins, the worse player regrows

[hasty coyote]

so again, trike gets punished with death for a mistake, rex just gets punished but still has a chance to come back, especially when they get to choose the engagement. Doesnt seem balanced to me

[faint robin]

Trike should need less skill ceiling if it faces rex

[native urchin]

Rex bleeds a lot, keep chasing and track it if y want to kill it

[faint robin]

Since rex is meant to ambush

[hasty coyote]

what if the rex decides to just not run and continue the fight, especially now that it has an advantage since you were in the thrash animation, it gets a slight lead on the turning.

[native urchin]

U can play terrain, if u are not aggressive a rec cant get behind

[native urchin]

Trashed when it’s stunned

[faint robin]

Why is ambush hunter even facing and killing trikes meant to face and defend

[hasty coyote]

you can only play terrain if you are like 10 feet away from it. You either turn around to get there fast, or you very slowly back up

[native urchin]

Cause in the end with skill y can kill anything

[faint robin]

Nah playstyles and tiers exist

[hasty coyote]

yes, you do realize the thrash animation lasts just as long as a stun right? which means rex gets extra time based on the end lag of the attack used to stun (which trike has plenty)

[faint robin]

Rex shouldn't excel in all playstyles esp negating the playstyle of trike

[native urchin]

I played both Rex and trike, and Stego! And I can tell you: same size Stego and trike have the advanatsge

[faint robin]

We need a proper good rex vs good trike vid

[native urchin]

Yea, sadly I’m usually always the better player of the 2!

[faint robin]

Thats the problem

[native urchin]

Cause I spent countless of hours on admin server practicing! Do you do that at all?

[hasty coyote]

how? again, single mistake = leg fracture which is pretty much death. Rex gets multiple chances to win. You only win as the defensive animal if the rex makes a mistake.

[faint robin]

I still see good rex winning over good trike since it has too much goods

[native urchin]

Idk, but as stego I destroyed every Rex my size, even one slightly bigger (I couldn’t stun him, but he played dumb) and as trike I’m still alive and haven’t died

On stego I died to 2 fg, and I was 7 tons! And one had to leave to heal bleed and gastro presumably! Was a longer fight than expected!

As Rex I died to a stego! I made a mistake and boom! I was dead

[faint robin]

You autowin if trike is orange
You can fracture it
Youre faster
Turn better
Can avoid thrash easily

Trike can only outdamage rex if it faces it all the time and doesn't retreat

[native urchin]

No Rex has gotten behind me yet, nor it got behind Mr gray! Bad trikes will allow that

[faint robin]

Also trike needs to play perfectly while rex lives through mistakes, since it:
Only needs to bring you to orange then it just autowins
Can retreat whenever it wants

[hasty coyote]

congrats. Still doesnt disprove the main point I'm making: (assuming both parties can capitalize on mistakes) rex gets to make multiple mistakes, while the defensive animal gets 1. Thats the problem. You can def outplay the rexes and win, I'm not saying its 100% unwinnable (especially since most rex players in the ht are hot garbage) just that the defensive animal, who should hold the advantage since they lack agency in the fight, are instead at a disadvantage.

[faint robin]

True

[native urchin]

It can’t. If you played Rex you know how much stam it has and how bad the bleed resist is! Chase it if it runs

[hasty coyote]

Once again: They can just choose to not run and continue the fight since they can get out of the stun before you are done with the thrash animation. If you play too aggro, they can capitalize on a single whiff and win the fight even AFTER getting punished.

[faint robin]

Rex won't even run since 1 trike's mistake and trike just dies
1 rex mistake and it still autowins you on orange

[native urchin]

Trike is a defensive Dino, just like stego, and teno! Carnivores are the aggressive one having to go face first, which is the weak spot!

If u play aggro, u gotta be careful with it! (I’m an aggressive teno for example)

[faint robin]

Rex is ambush dino for that matter

So why is it even going head on vs a trike

[hasty coyote]

ok, that still doesnt change a single thing from my statement

if you try to capitalize off the fact that the rex got hit, you can be vulnerable to counter attack

if you don't calitpalize off it, then the fight is back to square one

so trike makes a single mistake: leg broke, basically no chance to win
rex makes a single mistake: punished, but still can bring back the win

thats the problem

Imo, the best solution is to nerf rex and trike so that the fight isnt over from a single hit.

[native urchin]

On trike and stego u need to hold your ground, after u mess up the Rex u play aggro and chase it

[native urchin]

Cause they are dumb! If trike is smart, to attack head first like they do they lose! In my clip I didn’t use thrash once, and still I was just yellow he crushed my face, and I kept

[faint robin]

If you did thrash - you would be dead

[native urchin]

Big weapons big dmg! U make mistake y lose’ and I don’t disagree with that!

[dusky surge]

you seem to be like

half understanding lmao

[faint robin]

Rex doesn't die from 1 mistake.

[dusky surge]

rex make mistake = run away
trike make mistake = leg fracture = basically instant dead

[hasty coyote]

thats the problem: rex doesnt

[dusky surge]

rex has far better chances because it's punished far less for mistakes than the, as you said, defensive herbivore

[native urchin]

I killed every Rex I encountered! I chased them

Both on trike and stego

[dusky surge]

did you ever lose to a trike or stego as a rex

[hasty coyote]

because they ran instead of continuing the fight

[native urchin]

You outstam Rex and Rex can’t run for long cause of bleed

[native urchin]

I killed the ones who continued

No Rex has gotten away, they messed up, they died

[faint robin]

Isnt chasing - playing aggressive? You play aggressive on defensive dino at which point rex can just turn and capitalize from your mistake 🙂

[native urchin]

Wether they kept fighting or ran

[native urchin]

I play aggressive when I know I can! I either have terrain in my favor, or I messed up the Rex enough

The thing is, you guys have not fought trikes and stegos on Rex right?

[dusky surge]

how many trikes and stegos have you beaten as rex vs how many have you lost rexes to?

[native urchin]

I lost one Rex to a stego, and killed 3, and killed 2 trikes I think!

As stego I played a lot and I killed 8 Rexes! I died to 2 fg while I was 7 tons! So, I don’t disagree with my loss, but one was out of the fight, and went to heal ( it came back after 5 minutes) the other one stayed on me after getting smacked he waited for the other.. then I died! Fair

Prime stego can take on 2 fg Rex! Unless Rex out plays the stego and play coordinated: which they need 2 good players to do!

[maiden temple]

I'm glad to see that stego isn't just a buffet table

[crimson crater]

#balance-feedback message i’m so glad that rex broke the illusion that pin is a balanced mechanic, people excused omni for years lol

[hasty coyote]

Can’t wait for allo to truly show how monsterous a large, fast pinning dinosaur is.

[thin mantle]

Pins are just antithetical to fun most of the time a creature has them

Even if you balance it, it’s still just awful to play against

[hasty coyote]

Unfortunately I do have to say Rex’s version is probably the most balanced version of a pin, since it has a limited duration and costs a lot of stam. Unfortunately it’s requirements are incredibly easy and it specifically leg fractures

[indigo rain]

I'm convinced pins are client sided to the predator performing the pin or knockdown (carno charge being super wide). On their screen they hit you. On your screen they are 5 feet away from you. Unfortunately there's not much way to address this...

[hasty coyote]

I'm fairly certain thats how most attacks work. They favor the attacker, which is why people get hit from like 5 meters away sometimes.

[indigo rain]

mhm. unfortunately that makes it very difficult to defend yourself accurately, and then it turns into who is the attacker, because then you're trying to hit them back

[faint robin]

Tbh rex pin on smth like trike should just go
No way rex autowinning if trike is orange is balanced. Even from the face

[dusky surge]

crush should also initiate spar

[steep gazelle]

Rex shouldn't even have this 20% Stam/Health/Bleed mechanic that causes Pin/Grapple, this should be exclusive to Omni

I don't even want to see how Op and with skills without needing to use the brain Allo will have xd

[limpid pine]

I really hope Maia will get its buff and make it more viable again! I hope yall liked what kribs and I wrote on the feedback👀

[elfin night]

Rex pinning stego is so ass

[regal valve]

True
It should work like Deino's grab, would still be able to pin 4.7 tons animal but not a damn Stego

[dusky surge]

And to those who go “oh but raptor and troodon can pin 100% of its own weight!!!”

Raptor is throwing its entire body on top of you. Rex is just holding you down via the mouth. Different scenarios

[slim dragon]

The fact rex doesn't hold its prey down with its foot is infuriating tbh

The animation looks bad

It doesn't look like a pin
It just looks like it's casually eating an animal who's having a seizure

[vale brook]

it uses its foot when eating!

i wish juvie rex had um.... different animations....

i know its a little crazy to say "hi i wish the animal with 900 animations had more" but juvie rex is missing alot of potential personality imo

[slim dragon]

Then they should have reused it for the pin

Because that pin animation looks stupid and way too damn chill

[vale brook]

its sniff/eat animation feel so..,,, out of place? like you can tell they're meant to look "rexified" for the adult version and be imposing, but they just look slow and weird with juvie rex imo

it had so much potential to be this snappy curious lil guy

like genuinely when rex leaked, when i first played it i saw the sniff animation and went "Oh i guess its a pachy thing where they just dont have the juvenile animation yet" but NO this is just how it IS

[deft breach]

Now tell me that’s fair a 60% omni lost to a 20% Rex in one charge

[native urchin]

crush does 3x the dmg.... so the rex must have at least 100 bite force already... which is not 20% XD

[deft breach]

no i was yelow

[native urchin]

did u fight it? werent u able to pin it?

[deft breach]

#videos-and-streams message

here

[native urchin]

oh thats a big one XD thast like between 500/700 kg

would one shot a prime omni most likely

[deft breach]

anyways you think thats ok like this?

[native urchin]

yes.... thats 3 hours of growing, to be that small! so yes

[deft breach]

than they have to make em bigger

i have rly a problem to die to a dino almost my size in 1 shot

[native urchin]

he ambushed you, good on him! (aside from teh desync XD)

[native urchin]

stego and trike and deino at your size one shot you as well

[deft breach]

dont waste anymore words

[native urchin]

and the rex is double your size there technically... by the look of it you are around 300kg there

[dusky surge]

yea that was your mistake to be instantly nuked in a single frame

clearly the issue wasnt that you didn't psychically know the rex would be there 10 seconds in advance

it didn't even hit your body lmao

it like, grazed your tail and you exploded

[native urchin]

desync do be crazy sadly 🙁

[dusky surge]

desync be damned

[native urchin]

indeed

[dusky surge]

that entire thing shouldn't have happened, desync or not

there is absolutely no reason a rex that small should just be deleting a raptor of similar size

[native urchin]

its double its size

[faint robin]

(Rex also deletes trikes bigger than itself)

[native urchin]

when u have a skill issue yes

[dusky surge]

quality is ass but no its not

[native urchin]

weight wise yes

[dusky surge]

how tf would you know that lmao

[native urchin]

a stego and trike omni size is half the omni size, yet one shots

[dusky surge]

thats quite literally unprovable

yes, to the body, because those animals don't have giant colossal desync pin moves that one tap lmao

[native urchin]

i have a rex right now a bit smaller than that, and im 550 kg

[faint robin]

Stego nor trike can outspeed an omni

[dusky surge]

trike and stegos are more fair

[deft breach]

that was a sad sad fight grethings 800hr omni im out say what you want

[dusky surge]

that too, neither of those animals are half as fast at that size

[native urchin]

so how much does rex need to be a foddler till?

6 hours into the growth?

[faint robin]

Rex is the best playable at all of its stages and it just says how disgusting of a rex glazers devs are

[native urchin]

try to grow one!

i dare you to grow one

[dusky surge]

what?

[faint robin]

Even cera got powercreeped lol
Despite all its unneeded buffs

[native urchin]

u know that rex is dead as soon as a carno sees him right? XD

[dusky surge]

how long does a trike need to be fodder for? it's slower and less easy to kill with than rex lol

[faint robin]

Try not to glaze rex
Ik you like autowinning but still

[native urchin]

trike a foddler?

[dusky surge]

if its out in the plains, sure? but if it grows enough, it's fine

[native urchin]

you one shot anything

[dusky surge]

if we're calling rex fodder, we can call trike fodder

[dusky surge]

dude.

i wonder who else "one-shots anything"

[native urchin]

enough? after 3hours and half of 250% growth rate, you are 600kg

[dusky surge]

oh yea, rex lol

[faint robin]

Rex is also faster

[native urchin]

rex takes a while to do do that, and one shots smaller thigns like omni, which in this case is half the size

this trike one shotted a prime cera

[faint robin]

Tad faster.
Trike oneshotting is at least compensated w its low speed

[native urchin]

juvie trike

trike is not a fddler, late juvie trike can take on multiple ceras

i have to say i dont know about the new growth of trike and stego though

still have to try, but stego and trike were easy to grow because of how strong early they are!

[cosmic pelican]

Same as rex growth pretty much
A 35% stego is less than 200kgs

[native urchin]

rex is fast after 3 hours and half

[native urchin]

35% of the new growth stage i suppose you mean

[cosmic pelican]

Huh?

[native urchin]

like, starting from 25%

[cosmic pelican]

Yeah

[native urchin]

ight!! nice! its more balanced! apexes should be hard to grow! glad they balanced trike and stego as well

[cosmic pelican]

Trike is pretty much the same, it gets its sub colors while still being in the sanctuary

[faint robin]

Trike is never fast

[native urchin]

the markings u mean? sub colors come out at 50%

[native urchin]

trike also doesnt have to hunt.... u eat plants that spawn for you, and thanks to pz, u can also grow without risks, going on the edge of the map

[cosmic pelican]

You have the same colors as this trike while being like 400kgs

[native urchin]

gotcha!! thanks!!

once im finished with the rex, ill probably try stego again! to see new growth

[faint robin]

You have to confirm kills to survive encounters

[native urchin]

here u go, this is my friend, she is not even a pvp player

go to 1:40

[deft breach]

It’s a combined problem, the desync (he clearly missed) and the to strong attack. Combined that was the unfair result. Loved the picture you sendt. I rewatched the video slow. There were 2m at least before impact.

[native urchin]

yea sadly hte isle has big issue with desyinc, on all dinos! omni pin has the same desyinc, and guess what: allo pin will have the same desyinc

[native urchin]

i mean, i have sent plenty of clips on my stego killing rexes

[deft breach]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401693816777867265/1415226870261350400/The_Isle_-_2025-09-10_08-44-28.mp4?ex=68cbaabb&is=68ca593b&hm=d45c70b03a69121fa013132575369aed04191a8cc6bff2a33d6e0b731dfa941b&

[faint robin]

Peak fair fight

[deft breach]

And so on and so on

I could send 10 videos like this

[native urchin]

well, dumb stego.... fg stego vs fg rex XD

3.3 tons difference... its a no go

i do think that the running swing should stun up to fg rex and fg trike though, and prime stego running swing should stun up to prime rex and prime trike.... so it would have a chance... risky play, but a chance

[deft breach]

So it’s a no go to play anything other than Rex thank you rly contributing to the problem

[native urchin]

nah, rexes are easy to avoid, if u are a stego u can run from them (unless u get ambushed, good on the rex in that case), a trike can deal with rex.

anything else can run from it, unless its ambushed! so i dont see your point.

also, i play unofficials, and most of them have pop control, so rexes will be few

[deft breach]

Don’t you see that more than 70% of all players die actualy a similar death like this without a fight

That was way WAY better before

[faint robin]

You can play trike and feed rexes😎

[native urchin]

so should we nerf deino because it doesnt allow us to fight them?

or omni pin?

[deft breach]

Cmon we play this game to fight

[faint robin]

All pins should be nerfed

[deft breach]

I could play sims4 instead

A family sim …

[native urchin]

its a survival game not a pvp game, first of all.

pvp is part of survival, when its a fair fight! 3.3 tons difference is not really fair, its normal the stego stands no chance! just like most things fighting 3 tons lower

[faint robin]

Rex pin is the most op tho, omni doesn't bonebreak nor insta kill with it

[native urchin]

wdym... omni kills anything that it pins XD

[faint robin]

No...
You can escape omni pin even on orange

[dusky surge]

So then the stego can't consistently survive

so... it's bad for a survival game

[native urchin]

huh? u can be full hp, if u are anything around the size of an omni u die

[native urchin]

if u get ambushed no, but thast for all things!

like, guys, allo will be more oppressing

[dusky surge]

no? for stego it doesn't even need to be an ambush

and that's a bad thing lmao, why do you think i'd go "oh rex is fine because allo is worse"

[native urchin]

yes? stego is same speed, and has more stam! rex is faster just with ambush... which if u get caught by it, means u got ambushed

[faint robin]

Trike also can't consistently fight off rex
They didnt even fix head armor not working on trike (if it will even help since rex can bb and pin it on the head or bite its back from the front

[native urchin]

u just suck at the game, im sorry! mr gray and i havent died on trike to rexes XD

[deft breach]

…. Omni can pin like fg 15-20% of all Dino’s. Deinos have a massive down that they swim so what’s your point?

[dusky surge]

it didn't get ambushed, it got sprinted down, because ambush speed doesn't necessitate you actually ambush, it quite literally allows you to avoid needing to ambush because you get a free speed boost

[native urchin]

rex is slow when fg! when its fast its bascially like an omni! so whats your point?

[faint robin]

I'll say all rex glazers suck cuz say thanks to them why rex is op

[dusky surge]

its faster than an omni and bigger too when its juvi

[native urchin]

doesnt last long, keep your distance, see the rex eearly... if u dont, u got ambushed

[dusky surge]

also this argument is so lame i cant even humour it

people's opinions are invalid because you personally haven't undergone a similar experience

[faint robin]

Shady will defend rex with their soul

No matter how op it is.

[dusky surge]

quite literally just "i'm right because i said so" moment

[native urchin]

I mean! It makes stego and trike fun too as well to me! U finally get action and u cry

[minor elbow]

rex fanboys will never believe its op no matter what

[dusky surge]

i'd love action as stego and trike if it were fun

i think that's where you fail to see things the same way

[faint robin]

Its not fun to make 1 mistake and die face to face on a defensive playable vs ambush playable

[dusky surge]

rex is not fun to deal with as a rex or trike, you're encouraged to just never get close because it's such an annoyance

[native urchin]

Welcome to every carnivore life for the past 5 years 😂😂

[dusky surge]

no???

that is nothing like carnivore life

[faint robin]

Because rex can bb, pin, run fast, do big dmg ig it should also fly, swim and breath fire

[native urchin]

Wdym no? Omni makes one mistake dies! Dilo as well! C’era vs dibble trike and stego as well!

[faint robin]

Cera life was the easiest of all playables

[minor elbow]

rexes smaller than adult tenos can break their legs and pin them, not fun at all

[faint robin]

We had vids of fg rex killing prime trike or sub rex killing fg trike just because trike made 1 mistake

[dusky surge]

it can outrun effectively everything though??? if it got one-tapped by the herbis, that's because it ran into them

stego and trike are slower than rex, they don't get the same privilege

[native urchin]

Nah( trike and stego is! Cera u still gotta worry of other ceras! And u have to fight to survive! It’s the easier carnivore yes, but herbis always have it ez mode!

(I’m a teno main btw)

[native urchin]

Stego ain’t! Trike it is, and it’s a fair fight

[deft breach]

The problem is the 50% between for small Dino’s and the top 50% for big Dino’s

[faint robin]

You also can't chase down and kill things as trike nor steg
Rex can chase literally anything during its life

[native urchin]

Go play path of titans! There apex need to hit 4 times to kill a baby something

[dusky surge]

stego is absolutely slower

[native urchin]

No they buffed the stego speed!

[dusky surge]

it's still slower tho lmao

[deft breach]

I play and it’s waaaaay more balanced than the isle now

[minor elbow]

rex is meant to be at the same level as trike and their fights shouldve been fair, a prime trike missing one attack against an adult rex should not mean it dies because of that

[native urchin]

You can! U are just ignorant about other playables! I have chased down all the Rexes i fought

[faint robin]

Have to fight boars ig
Large sqealing sows and piglets

[dusky surge]

i dont want to play a worse game because one animal rips the fun out of the game for everyone

[faint robin]

Youre the most ignorant here basically either repeating 1 sentence for 100 times or saying "skill issue"
Ig dying to op playable faster than u is skill issue

[native urchin]

Hahaha!

To me stego and trikes and dibbles ruined the game! For every carnivore!! Bullying them off bodies, body camping, ambushing them for no reason! Just because they could!

Now there is a carnivore that u have to be careful of: time to get on admin server and practice!
Or u die to the better player simple

[minor elbow]

rex fans are so weird, rex could breathe fire, tail slam and fly and they would find a way to compare it to trike and stego being stronger than the rest of the playables and therefore it deserves to be the strongest thing ever

[dusky surge]

honestly idk why those animals ruined the game, they're so easy to ignore lol

genuinely comparing them to rex is laughable

[native urchin]

Really? Try starving and getting a stego or trike or dibble off the body as a solo Omni😅

[minor elbow]

its not ambushing for no reason though lol, herbivores need to kill carnivores or they are at risk of being killed themselves, their teammates being killed or their babies being killed 🤷 stego, trike and dibble can all be avoided with how loud they are and most carnivores being way faster

[dusky surge]

i just leave and find other food lol

[deft breach]

It rly makes no sense to discus this matter further. Your mind is set and I won’t change it…

[minor elbow]

• body camping is to prevent gastro healing

[dusky surge]

gastro genuinely is so awful that it encourages toxic play

i cant even blame bodycampers anymore, gastro's just so OP

[native urchin]

No, there is a difference between that, and not allowing gastro healing! A fg trike not allowing an Omni to eat it’s not “to prevent gastro”

[native urchin]

Herbis have it too

[dusky surge]

and it's really bad on herbis so what's the point lol

[minor elbow]

gastro is horrible, i got ganged up on by 4 omnis, a cera and a carno, got some good damage on the cera but he healed up fully with the corpses

[native urchin]

How is that bad? There is plant everywhere! U don’t need diets! I always ran gastro on teno!

[dusky surge]

good for you i guess

[minor elbow]

no, its the same, and maybe the trike assumes youve got a pack coming and doesnt want them to be able to gastro heal off of the corpse? ai exists, go find that if you cant handle a herbi sitting on a corpse

[vale brook]

immovable object meets unstoppable force

[native urchin]

You are the herbi type of player who made me a canni herbi! Loser mentality! Omni is a one shot no matter the hp! Pointless to gastro

[dusky surge]

you type like donald trump tweets

[minor elbow]

i am a troodon + beipi and cera player! loser mentality if you feel the need to canni over a few people body denying!

[minor elbow]

literally what i was thinking LMAO

[dusky surge]

it has absolutely nothing to do with anything but its been at the back of my mind for days now

[minor elbow]

its the constant exclamation marks

anyways, rex is overpowered, stego and trike being strong ever since their release doesnt excuse rex pinning every single thing

[native urchin]

Might be cause I’m old, the more I age the more I use them😂

It’s not op, it’s an apex!
So for any other playables is just like stego and trike, op, and rightfully so!

The only difference is that Rex gotta eat, so they seek you! Trike and stego don’t!

[dusky surge]

an apex can be OP

[native urchin]

I personally don’t like the pin, looks dumb!
But if a Rex ambushes its prey, it needs to kill it one shot, or it won’t be able to catch it no more

[dusky surge]

these aren't mutually exclusive concepts

trike and stego have been fine because they've been largely ignorable, you can avoid their power

rex not only has more power but is less avoidable

[native urchin]

So either a charge bite that does same dmg and bone breaks instantly anything 5 tons below!

[native urchin]

I grew 4 tenos, entombed it 3 times, never died to one! Got ambushed 4 times!

If u pay attention, they are avoidable (as smaller playables) f

If it gets an ambush, oh well! Props to him!

[dusky surge]

(as smaller playables) is the big part there

[native urchin]

As stego u have to see them earlier and start booking it, but again, same size Rex (which are faster than stego) Stego can easily defend itself, trike as well can! Has the tools! Then it’s a matter of playing it well!

[slim dragon]

Claiming it's fine that rex can secure a kill with one single hit on trike and stego without ambushing is crazy

[dusky surge]

reason: its rex

[slim dragon]

Also complaining that those were bad because they could bodyguard

Guess who does it better than them because it can actually eat the body so you'll never have a chance to eat it ?

[faint robin]

Answer: its rex

[slim dragon]

I was thinking of Cera
But rex does it better than cera as well

[faint robin]

Players: "rex is op and has too much, everything struggles against it"
Devs: "alright!" buff cera

[obtuse ocean]

Nah just same noobs spamming the same thing over over again with same people upvoting. Wonder why the devs dont care that much about feedback?

[dusky surge]

damn these noobs for wanting to have fun in their video game amirite

[hasty coyote]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1324737703127945370/1380649230464585748/ezgif.com-optimize.gif

[dusky surge]

its funny you even bring up noobs because rex's entire kit doesn't really enable skill like, at all

just use crush and repeat

if you pin, you win

[obtuse ocean]

Whats skill?

Like you tho rex gonna run around and use like agility or run around dodging etc?

[dusky surge]

what

[obtuse ocean]

Like what skill did you mean?

[dusky surge]

im confused already lol