balance-feedback-discussion

[tropic horizon]

Cera players make me hate cera.

[worthy steeple]

i see “nerf stego, i can’t 1v1 it as my solo cera, cera is a predator so should always win” like at least few times in a month

oh god my spelling🔥🔥🔥

[viscid mica]

The guy wanting stego nerfed because of desync

[tropic horizon]

Some guy said nerf stego because his pack of 5-6 ceras dying to one which is like

Yikes buddy.

[worthy steeple]

i also tested that and stego cannot possibly power swing instantly, it needs to wait for like 0.7 second animation to actually swing. so it’s never instant

[viscid mica]

Yes because the 6ton eveningstar for a tail is a easy hunt from barely mid tier(small) carnivores

[worthy steeple]

oh.

well honestly if you can’t 6v1 a stego that says more about you and your pack

[tropic horizon]

Like cera is my favorite carnivore in the game but I haven’t touched it in ages BECAUSE of cera players. Also the playable just feels very boring atm.

[viscid mica]

People are dumb you can Literally see in his video that it’s desync there is no animation and people still upvote it cuz stego cringe

[worthy steeple]

it is very boring tbh

[worthy steeple]

the way they died was actually hilarious, they made that deinos day lmao

[tropic horizon]

I think ever since its first wave of buffs where it got its bile turned up to 11 it just hasn’t felt super fun. Just feels like generic hunter instead of the corpse bully.

[viscid mica]

Fr bro just walks towards him and YEET

[tropic horizon]

Actual cartoon scenario he found himself in

[worthy steeple]

i just don’t like 1 bite = vomit mechanic at all honestly and the animation lock too :(

[worthy steeple]

EXACTLY AGAHAAAHAH

[tropic horizon]

I’d be cackling if that happened to me ngl, wouldn’t even be mad that I died.

[viscid mica]

The animation lock is what I hate

[worthy steeple]

it’s one in a million moment tbh

[tropic horizon]

I like how the vomit animation prevents you from kicking or swinging your tail. Very fun.

[worthy steeple]

🎶dumb ways to die🎶

[viscid mica]

Can’t run

[tropic horizon]

If it got nerfed to where it doesn’t act like a stun cera would feel significantly weaker for hunting which is a step in the right direction. Or you could keep it and only have bile be active on a body buff.

[worthy steeple]

that’s very annoying, the thing is, every other animal needs to do something to stun, cera needs to just bite, which kinda ruins the whole thing, no skill involved

[crimson crater]

the former would be the way to go

[worthy steeple]

i’m alright if cooldown would be changed, so you make things vomit one time and you can’t make them vomit again unless they cured the sickness

so cera keeps its “don’t touch me or else” mechanic, but it can’t use it offensively anymore

[crimson crater]

the cool-down is like 45 seconds tbf

[worthy steeple]

because let’s be clear, all cera needs after making you vomit first time is just one bite, wait for 20 seconds bite again and stun and then repeat

[worthy steeple]

it’s like 20 seconds

[crimson crater]

no lol

[viscid mica]

Oooh

[worthy steeple]

and it doesn’t matter, it can wait for 40, nothing really stops it lol

but it’s definitely not 40

it’s actually like 20 seconds

[crimson crater]

it is.

[viscid mica]

I mean make vomit on pop once but make it affect stam heavier

[worthy steeple]

did you test that?

[crimson crater]

🤦‍♂️ yes

[viscid mica]

Still strong but not spammable

[worthy steeple]

oh i think that’s too much

why make vomit even stronger?

it already takes all you food/water/some nutrients and stamina, that’s more than enough

[crimson crater]

almost every playable can stun though, dosen’t mean much

[worthy steeple]

not with just bite lol, it’s not the same

[viscid mica]

Reducing its ability to pop and and stopping the animation lock

[crimson crater]

what’s the difference in pressing LMB or LMB lol

[worthy steeple]

well the difference is cera probably the only animal that can use the stun offensively with no stam cost and no drawbacks while also draining your hunger and water bar

not to mention it’s a lot easier to bite something than kick

[crimson crater]

dibble, carno, pachy:

[worthy steeple]

i think you should read the message

[crimson crater]

no one mentioned teno here

[viscid mica]

BUFF PACHY

[worthy steeple]

i think you should read the message

[crimson crater]

i did read the message, they can use the stuns offensively🤷‍♂️

[worthy steeple]

read the message please, you didn’t read the whole message

read and then type

[crimson crater]

i’m ignoring the bile part because that is completely irrelevant when talking about the stuns itself lmao

[worthy steeple]

it’s not the only part

[crimson crater]

“with no stam cost” and dibble can’t?

[worthy steeple]

the dibble is slow as hell, it can only be defensive, the only thing it can attack and stun is stego, but realistically the dibble doesn’t win against the stego

[cosmic pelican]

Im getting my popcorn

[crimson crater]

this guy, and cera isn’t slow?

[worthy steeple]

alright, enough, no show for you

[worthy steeple]

not slow enough lol

[cosmic pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/potate-lil-potate-lil-potates-lilpotate-lilpotates-gif-11205207512551127398

[crimson crater]

neither does cera

[worthy steeple]

that’s it.

i will ask the mods to mute flows so we stop arguing, all your fault mr potato!!1

[crimson crater]

there is literally no difference between dibble and cera.

both can’t use their stuns offensively to chase down tenos, omnis, pachies and carnos

[worthy steeple]

hm, no. dibble doesn’t have the stamina to chase, dibble doesn’t drain someones stamina/hunger/water and nutrients by just simply biting

[crimson crater]

hm, no. cera dosen’t have the best stam, and dibbles have insane bleed which prevents you from getting away by simply pressing LMB

[worthy steeple]

also not to mention the dibble is like 4km/h slower lol

[crimson crater]

dosent matter, all of their opponents can run away from them lmao

[worthy steeple]

i think no matter how op cera would be you will still defend it just because you’re having fun playing it, i won’t judge you for that, but at least admit you’re doing that💀

[tropic horizon]

Diablo can throw out its stun sure, pachy can’t do it without risking locking itself into a stun animation and carno has to wind up its stun for 3 whole seconds to be used offensively.

[cosmic pelican]

You could say this is a red herring fallacy, but I know Flows, bro doesnt even play cera 😭

[worthy steeple]

you’re proved to change your opinions on stuff all the time depending on situation and discussion you’re in, sometimes cera is op, sometimes it’s weak, sometimes you want to nerf it, sometimes you don’t, that’s very inconsistent

[crimson crater]

i only do that on norden occasionally LOL

[tropic horizon]

Yeah cera boring lol

[worthy steeple]

LMAO why would flows defend it so much then👹

[crimson crater]

and you are a hypocrite who believes some playables should get special treatment!

[worthy steeple]

no?

[crimson crater]

extremely subjective when it comes to the balance

[worthy steeple]

do example?

[crimson crater]

because i PLAY it vs opponents and observe how it does in matchups. i don’t want it to be steamrolled by things like before

[cosmic pelican]

Bro has not touched cera ever since this happened 😭 🙏

[worthy steeple]

i like how you’re not even trying to say i’m wrong about you

[tropic horizon]

Devastation

[worthy steeple]

you traumatized him lol

[crimson crater]

“herreras should be punished by death for making an error”
“ tenos should be able to make multiple errors and miss 20+ kicks but not be punished”

double standards

[worthy steeple]

guess what? i do that too

[worthy steeple]

AHAHAH

you’re taking things out of context lol

[crimson crater]

my correct pronunciations are “ze/xer” please use the appropriate ones!

[worthy steeple]

the stam cost IS the punishment

[crimson crater]

not really. that’s exactly your arguments

[worthy steeple]

he/he in the bio tho😎

[crimson crater]

nope, if a teno misses over 20x it will still have enough to defend itself which you believe is fine? why

[tropic horizon]

[tropic horizon]

Yea

[worthy steeple]

it can’t regenerate trotting tho lol

[cosmic pelican]

I feel bad for any mod trying to read through this

[worthy steeple]

and i like how you ignore the cera that takes 0 stam lol

[crimson crater]

dosent matter! it will still have enough to defend itself

[cosmic pelican]

"Oh God, its these 2 again..."

[worthy steeple]

who said that?

[worthy steeple]

lmaooo😭😭😭

[tropic horizon]

You should settle this by giving each other gifts and walking away or something idk

[iron tree]

#balance-feedback message
that is certainly a suggestion

[tropic horizon]

Deino bias not detected

[worthy steeple]

they should actually give me and flows special role that won’t let us chat in this chat lmao

[iron tree]

and cera bias

[crimson crater]

not talking about cera, just funny how you believe certain playables should be punished by DEATH for making a mistake but teno missing over 20 times and still having enough for it to not matter is fine according to u

[worthy steeple]

this one and general feedback

[tropic horizon]

No carnivore bias in sight!

[cosmic pelican]

Isle discussion:

[worthy steeple]

it’s not the same lmaoo how you can’t understand that

[worthy steeple]

ahh it’s too chaotic and too many other people, doesn’t feel the same

[tropic horizon]

There’s nothing quite like balance feedback discussion

[crimson crater]

yea its not the same because one is your favorite playable and the other one isn’t. you have yet to give me a reasonable explanation as to why it should be privileged

bye now

[worthy steeple]

i never said it should be privileged lol

[worthy steeple]

dude just rage quit

[elfin night]

No way

[tropic horizon]

It okay

[elfin night]

The deino thing was suggested

Lmaooo

[worthy steeple]

not the first time happening, give him some time and flows will come back for another cerato talk

[iron tree]

"anything bigger that a cera"
Cera mains when they can't solo 10 stegos be like

[worthy steeple]

they never end

[tropic horizon]

That deino thing sure is a suggestion that’s been made

[iron tree]

why'd cera even go for a stego 😭

[tropic horizon]

At least this isn’t maia discussion

[worthy steeple]

i like how there was almost no dilo discussion, almost everyone just agreed it shouldn’t be like that

[cosmic pelican]

Remove dilo atp

No one likes it

[worthy steeple]

r e a l

[tropic horizon]

It’s such a bad idea for a playable

And its design could’ve been so much better

[worthy steeple]

what is “atp” tho?

[tropic horizon]

The hallucination thing

[tropic horizon]

At this/that point

[worthy steeple]

ah

[elfin night]

The visual effect? It just shouldn’t change. Looks cool and it has value isolating people and also preventing them from seeing where they’re heading more or less. It’s a great disorientating tool while not being as cheap as making your night vision like 8pm stego

[cosmic pelican]

At least make the clones do 85 bleed instead of 85 dmg, so at least you have somewhat of agency even if envenomated

[worthy steeple]

no, it was about one bite spawning million clones during night time which is almost always a death

[cosmic pelican]

Instead of, "Oh, guess I die now"

[steep echo]

wouldn't that class it as an anticoagulant venom, which is what megalania is gonna get?

[elfin night]

The hallucinations simply needed much more thought and effort put into them. Which is tragic because I loved dilo so much in legacy and now it is easily my most hated playable

[tropic horizon]

Dilo venom is just so uninteractive. Every iteration of it.

[cosmic pelican]

Maybe, but megalania is so far down the line...

[elfin night]

Agreed too

[worthy steeple]

i would rather just want the clones to be purely a distraction doing like very cheap damage or no damage at all, just running around you and confusing, giving the deal dilo a chance to bite you

[steep echo]

I still like the idea of dilo's venom being a free hit voucher kind of venom

[tropic horizon]

I remember wavepoole once suggested the clones to be stationary kinda and they have an activation radius almost? It seemed fascinating.

[elfin night]

Me losing a sub dibble to 4 dilo bites was so tragic 😭 😭

[worthy steeple]

that will make the fight more engaging, instead of standing and pressing one button

[elfin night]

I think they should be purely distraction too or at the very least you should keep pressure on your own to make them deal damage

[tropic horizon]

Like they spawn in where you placed them and you’d have to chase your prey into the radius to activate them.

[elfin night]

I want to play dilo because I love the theme. But man it’s such a no skill toxic crutch rn

You bite basically anyone like 2 times at night and then just spam clones. You won. In fact, I quite literally lost my first fg cera to 3 dilo bites at night. The clones from a dilo pair literally did everything

I couldn’t even try to play defensive with my back against a wall. The clones are so quick to bite and last for so long that you simply have to accept it

I couldn’t even bite them once…

[steep echo]

what if they brought back fighting clones

[worthy steeple]

each, honestly i’m really concerned about what they’re gonna do with the dilo in the future

[crimson crater]

not gonna waste my time on an inadequate human being

[steep echo]

so the dilos have to use them for their original purpose, distractions

[worthy steeple]

fighting clones?

[steep echo]

you attack a clone, and it used to disappear without hurting you

but you did just open yourself up to an attack with your attack cooldowns

[worthy steeple]

oh that one, i mean.. doesn’t sound too bad, anything is better than we have right now

old dilo wasn’t bad imo, idk why the decided to buff it and make it such monster

[earnest lance]

bro WHAT 😂😂😂

that is the biggest bullsht i’ve ever read i’m not even gonna answer to that, that statement is an insult to paleontology lol

i can’t believe u actually said that 💀

compare the bite force of animals that co exited with stego then say that again

and check how much bite force it takes to shatter bone

[viscid mica]

Bruh I dropped a photo

You can clearly see

But eh man I get it stego is hard to fight

And the allo glazers are feinding for free kills on a 5 hour grow Dino

Also the game isn’t hyper realistic

If it was everything would get 1 tapped by stegos tail and everything would be way heavier

https://youtu.be/K90MVwWjwms?si=l0cI1Kt6wf_iy4n3

I did what bro asked and it proved him wrong

10/10 self ruining arguement

[viscid mica]

Done ^

[viscid mica]

@steep echo so like a bile type fill

Its genius

[thorn mountain]

<@&933486433342222376>

[viscid mica]

[elfin night]

Wild to say because it is paleontologists themselves stepped back on the idea of stego’s head being a massive weakspot irl

Also, you trying to base a balance suggestion on realism is rather faulty argumentation

Balancing is what matters the most

And…how is it any proportionate?

it should be able to kill a deino or rex with 2-3 body hits, but in return it should die if a cerabites its head three to four times

Hello????

Yeah. All the other apexes get 2-3 shot by stego in the body (terrible idea btw) but stego has its thousands of health points taken away by a couple cera bites

x10 damage multiplier

So cool and balancd to have your stego dunked on by omnis because “weak head” despite having jugular plating and reinforced skull and being in a game, duh

But I guess convincing you is not an option. Because muh main and gamer rage is all that matters

Also- how is it not possible to hunt with stegos nearby? It takes like 5 seconds to snatch someone and carry them to the deepest part of a river without considering that desync bug

By nearby you mean like right next to them?

[viscid mica]

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-cook-chef-masterchef-lilb-gif-13910066

[elfin night]

A little too acid of me, I will admit

[viscid mica]

Bros trying to grab stuff through it garanteed and he turning into the tail not away

Big fat juicy head hitbox right next to tail

[elfin night]

But man, the pattern of defending some absurd balance change in such a specific matchup sounds like something people do when they die

Or they can’t kill something

[viscid mica]

Na bro tried to say im wrong and to “google it” and google says he is wrong

Shoulda googled it before telling me to google it

[viscid mica]

Yup

That’s why I know exactly what bro was and made a mention of it

Like I said people be trying to 1v1 stego then making a post like

STEGO OP OMG DELETE STEGO

Ya your 1.3T cera ain’t doing nothing to the 6T murder cow

[elfin night]

And it is not a good argumentation to say “if this can kill me in 3 hits, it is fair I can do the same”. Same stuff happens actually in the Fromsoft community with some bosses.

Each of both sides in both contexts are built different!

Deino is not built to take down stuff that big or in land whereas stego needs the tools to fend off just about any threat besides strains. The croc simply never runs the risk of being attacked by one and they are practically unreachable while steg depends on water all the time.

[elfin night]

Earlier in general chat they were arguing that deino should realistically one or two shot stego in the head. I think they play deino

And using realism as a way to balance a game is such a perfect plan to make it unplayable

If the game was realistic and accurate, then there would only be like 10 viable dinosaurs whereas the rest get stomped

[viscid mica]

Fr

[viscid mica]

Realistically sure for the sake of making the game fun for the amount of time you have to pour into growing stuff no

Like you can tell who’s never grown a stego

You spend half that time not able to go near water and are easy pray for large groups

And then your finally strong but you are still not invincible like a good croc is

The only threat to a croc is another croc once FG

Unless you do the big dumb

[elfin night]

Realistically speaking…
Fractures would take much longer to heal
Pachy wouldn’t injury ceras and carnos
Carno would never charge
Maia would cause fracture
Deinos wouldn’t be able to see in waters where no one can see from the outside or use their third person to set up an ambush
Dilo wouldn’t have illusions
Omni wouldn’t have pounce
Troodon wouldn’t have pounce
Beipi wouldn’t be a good swimmer
Herra would struggle to one shot even a dryo

Does any of that sound fun?

I crash out when someone tries to justify balancing with realism

[viscid mica]

Yup

[viscid mica]

I mean some things are fair to small extents

But it is a game and balancing around realism is wack

[elfin night]

This. Only real problem they have now until spino releases is cannibals. Nothing else can kill them reliably

[viscid mica]

Like LETS ADD INFECTIONS

Now every fight is a near guaranteed death scentence

[viscid mica]

Yup

[viscid mica]

Well “more apex’s”

[elfin night]

Let’s add generic diseases that you can get instead of selectable mutations

[viscid mica]

Stuff that can stand in some of the water they live in

[viscid mica]

Oh hell ya random disease with no ability to cure it

Simply wether and die stellar gameplay

[elfin night]

Nah only spino. Bary groups could maybe harass sub deinos but I think adult deino is gonna beat them up in the water or simply be impossible to catch while swimming. And Cheirus doesn’t seem all that built for combat especially against crocs. Spino is gonna be pretty much the only one who can run into the water to catch one

I mean things that can actively hunt them without relying on an ambush while they’re in land

[viscid mica]

Rex the death duck and other apex’s will be able to stand up in the water they exist and could reasonably chase them out of certain areas

Etc current south plains would no longer be safe

Deino are a ambush apex not a head to head battler

[earnest lance]

bruh the plates are so small at the neck that any allosaur with a decent size could have still caused SERIOUS damage, plus it has no plates directly on his head, they are located around the spine. its skull would still be shattered by a deinosuchus, if they theoretically came across each other

[stark knoll]

Stegosaurus had "armor" made of small bones all along its throat

[tropic horizon]

Realistically speaking, for the sake of argument, what if when you died once the game shut off forever and then dondi appeared behind you and destroyed your computer before leaving

[earnest lance]

that „armour“ would never be enough to stop a bite with that much force

it’s just impossible

[viscid mica]

So to be clear you made me google it I did you got fact checked and proven wrong and now…. It’s simply wrong because you think it is? Those bones were set up like chain mail I don’t know if you know this but chain mail is insanely good at what it’s built for.

@elfin night you was right beyond right

[earnest lance]

i don’t „think“ it is, we are talking about DEINOSUCHUS, you are talking about ALLOSAURUS, are you dyslexic or is it just that you’re so thick headed that you actually change the topic, change what this balance feedback post was even about and make up a completely new scenario to make yourself look smart? 🤡
also, please i beg you to look up the size, bite force and teeth of a DEINOSUCHUS and tell me that you still think a deinosuchus would not absolutely shatter than creatures skull.
And i said a cera should be able to kill it with two good hits on the head, which is also possible if you look at the bite force and length of cera teeth

[viscid mica]

I don’t need to I know it’s far more but the game is balanced for fun not realism

Also if your gonna be a child and just insult me we can stop talking

[tropic horizon]

Deino is more plausible. Cera makes no sense in this scenario. While it has a strong bite it wouldn’t obliterate stego in two bites and also in game this would just lead to two ceras face tanking it, one dying, and the other killing it. Also means sub stegos get one shot to the head by ceras and god knows what else. Horrible balance idea.

[earnest lance]

you can’t accept the fact that you change my words and „prove me wrong“ on something that i was not even talking about

[viscid mica]

You said stuff in its era

Deino and stego where in two different eras

[earnest lance]

i said big stuff

[viscid mica]

There wasn’t much bigger in its region than allo

[glossy elbow]

it already has 2x damage to it's head it doesn't need to be instakilled if it's bit on it's head that's completely unbalanced.

[earnest lance]

a big allosaur would still kill it with one good bite, i don’t think you know how big a big allosaur is

[tropic horizon]

Yeah literally how is it fair at all.

[viscid mica]

Refer back to my SS

[tropic horizon]

How would that be fair to the stego at all? This isn’t about realism this is about a videogame.

[glossy elbow]

exactly

[viscid mica]

A super rare larger allo that normal wouldn’t exist maybe but that was the size and expectations of the allo in its region

[viscid mica]

Because big croc must be invincible and if you say anything else your wrong

[earnest lance]

an allosaurus would have trouble, but it would still be able to kill it with a direct bite to the head or neck, the plates are wayyy to small there to stop it

[viscid mica]

Google how chain mail works and come back to me on that

[tropic horizon]

Stego would somehow be worse than maia and pachy like

[viscid mica]

The bones where meshed and held by thicc muscles

Or just watch the video and skip to allo V stego bit where it explains why that wouldn’t work

[tropic horizon]

Me growing 5 hours to die instantly to a cera who barely knows how to play the videogame.

[viscid mica]

Yes 6 hours of growing to get 1 tapped by something would be 10/10 game

At least everything in deino grab range is less than half its grow time

[glossy elbow]

yeah unless they are swimming then even stego is dead but yeah I get your point

[tropic horizon]

I guess pachy should be able to ram stego’s head too. Not enough nerfs need more realism!!!!

[viscid mica]

Swimming is one of those things that you don’t have to do so doing it is at your own risk

I’m talking from on land

[glossy elbow]

yeah

[viscid mica]

MORE REALISM I swear I said this early but ahem

LETS ADD INFECTIONS get hit? Dead enjoy slowly weathering away too a infection with 0 counter play

[tropic horizon]

If you die in the game DIE IN REAL LIFE LOSER. Also your growth time shall take YEARS NOW.

[viscid mica]

He’ll ya I would sure love to get less than 1% for a full 24 hours

Bro deinos grow over years like crocs that would sure be fun

120 year old deino finally hits 8T

[tropic horizon]

The game so realistic it BECOMES YOUR LIFE

[glossy elbow]

lmao

[viscid mica]

Also I’m not misreading he said 1-2 shot hs from any carnivore cera sized or bigger right? Not deino cera correct I’m reading this right right?

Nope I’m not crazy

[worthy steeple]

how dare the stego survive 2 headshots from the cera

this game sucks, devs pls make it playable

[viscid mica]

Oh god now cheesy involved too

[worthy steeple]

what makes me truly sad is people actually agreeing with that

even tho it’s a minority

[viscid mica]

What makes me sad is people agreeing with rotten Desync one

[worthy steeple]

yeah ahah

[viscid mica]

Genuine small brain activity how much money you willing to bet half them didn’t even watch the clip

[worthy steeple]

i mean, i won’t even be surprised

[spiral kindle]

How much dmg does Dilo clones do

Isn't it 130 or 170 or something

[viscid mica]

Same as they’re bite force 85

[spiral kindle]

Yeah so 130 headshot

[viscid mica]

Clones can’t HS

[spiral kindle]

fr?

I swear the clones feel like they do alot more dmg

than that

[viscid mica]

Na it’s just cuz venom lasts so dam long that so many clones attack you it feels like a lot more

[topaz elm]

It did

[spiral kindle]

Intresting

[viscid mica]

Are clones working again? I know they stop doing damage for like a week last time I played

[spiral kindle]

They still don't work devs haven't released a patch since the bug

For some reason the clones still work on ai

Wich is funny

[viscid mica]

Ya I feel like they gearing up for a big drop which is why we haven’t gotten any bug fixes lately

[spiral kindle]

They are

Kissen said that next update will be a Qol/Balance patch and maybe some map changes

Apparently it will be next HT

[viscid mica]

Next HT just QoL and map?

[spiral kindle]

Yeah i thought it was strange aswell lol

Why do a whole Ht over some balance / bug fixes

QA already does that

So maybe something to surprise us?

[viscid mica]

Plus like people won’t care about live releases of that stuff

[viscid mica]

Maybe

[spiral kindle]

I do know 1 of the changes that they are doing

and that is reducing Carno's growth time to match cerato

[viscid mica]

Meh that’s something that should have happened ages ago

[spiral kindle]

Fr

They haven't changed Carno once since the rework

Only bug fixes

[eager saddle]

Even with deino it should be more than that. Cera is entirely out of the question

[viscid mica]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Some people want the all powerful Dino experience and don’t like the idea of not being the ultimate being

[eager saddle]

I mainly play deino, I get where the guy comes from

but 1-2 bites? Nah bro that's ridiculous

[elfin night]

Because we all know realism is such a good and fun way to balance a game, especially one about different types of dinosaurs that never coexisted now being in the same place

[eager saddle]

you will never get 100% realism BECAUSE it's a game

[viscid mica]

Fr

[eager saddle]

these are humans playing it. Not actually dinosaurs.

[hasty coyote]

I’m just gonna add: even with the current set up of stego, ain’t no way it’s surviving a Rex that gets on its face. So there’s not really a need to nerf stego even more.

[eager saddle]

I still think having to finish the animation of power swing before you can use it is fair tbh

[elfin night]

We should never get that

[eager saddle]

even if that is less than 0.2 seconds

[hasty coyote]

Especially since each cost 10% stam

[eager saddle]

yeah but it should at least finish the animation

if you get hit by a 1000+ damage attack I wanna at least know it's coming xD

<@&933486433342222376>

that was fast wth 😮

[elfin night]

Sniped

[eager saddle]

thyler, wtf xD

[plucky aspen]

i bet you it was lunary XD i popped in here and it was allready gone XD

[eager saddle]

daaaaaaaamn

[plucky aspen]

IT WAS XD

[eager saddle]

XD

nice lunary, were you following the conversation?

[plucky aspen]

Lunary's the GOAT when it comes to sniping things instantly in the discord. If someone has eyes everywhere, its them

[stark knoll]

i saw it in another channel lol

[eager saddle]

I was about to ping in the other chats as well since I saw them pop up

[eager saddle]

the feedback? 😛 cuse I saw it there

[elfin night]

True. Rex is gonna be enough of a threat especially with how many there are going to be.

I always said this, stego is “balanced”. In a vacuum and considering the scale of the game, it is just fine but the problem with it rn is that there’s no land creature that can pose a threat to it rn. You literally can’t pick anything but stego if you want to fight one 1v1

[eager saddle]

I mean I guess but I don't know why it was added that far ahead of its time

why are you giving it all these massive tools that the current roster can't deal with for something in the far future?

[hasty coyote]

Yeah I can agree with making stego have to wait like a second of the startup animation (and actually roar even if it’s moving) to start power swinging rather than randomly swapping to that stance with practically 0 warning.

[elfin night]

Because it was in a playable state well before most other playables and they needed to put something out in a state as barebones as 2021 evrima

If stego had been finished in 2024-25, it would have never been added

It was just an attempt to keep the game alive because it has 3 playables before stego came

3

[eager saddle]

That's my main issue with it tbh.

[eager saddle]

I meant the powerswing x)

[elfin night]

Oh right

[eager saddle]

not the default swing. That I understand

[elfin night]

No clue, prolly to deal with deino pairs dunno

[eager saddle]

a deino pair shouldnt be able to kill it tbh

they already struggled while it had a stun

[elfin night]

It helps to prevent that

Because alt attack only steg struggled against 2 deinos if I remember correctly

[viscid mica]

I mean it does make noise but if your walking it cancels it out

[eager saddle]

the animation should be the primary indicator tbh

[hasty coyote]

I understand people’s sentiment that stego is op, but they need to realize that even after larger predators are added, a stego would still do the exact same things it does now. So will everything bigger. Hence why it’s actually kinda good to see how an apex interacts with the smaller roster rather than having terrible interactions get buried.

Plus stego is hard countered by 1 simple technique: look away and shift+W

[hasty coyote]

That’s what I mean. Make walking not cancel it.

[eager saddle]

I miss hunting stegos as an omni pack 😦

bait the stam, wait for them to run out and kill

[viscid mica]

RIGHT

[eager saddle]

now they can swing whenever :/ no more strategy to it, just give up

I still remember making a feedback about water camping regarding that x) just for dinos in general

[hasty coyote]

That’s why you have pin now. You only need like 3 Omnis to pin a low hp stego.

And Omnis pounce does a LOT if you get the pin off.

[elfin night]

Agreed

[eager saddle]

#general-feedback message ah I found it x)

[eager saddle]

I'd find it impressive if you would get it to low hp in the first place

[viscid mica]

2 if it’s stam is below 20%

[eager saddle]

It would have to be in south plains plain for that to happen.

or east

but I don't see any people east :/

[sleek sierra]

Hard agree. It feels like too many people think a troodon or a 3 raptor pack should be a threat to a stego, and that doesn't make any sense. It would be like jackals hunting an elephant.

[viscid mica]

@crystal wharf and @hasty coyote you too pretty reasonable I’m interested in why you don’t want anti body camping?

[crystal wharf]

i feel its a far overblown issue

[eager saddle]

I think it's necessary in some cases tbh

especially as long as Gastro exists

[viscid mica]

It’s honestly insanely common on officials I’ve yet to see a Herbi group that doesn’t body guard if you kill 1 of them or yell even if you kill something near by

[crystal wharf]

the simplest way to get them to go away is just act like you arent interested
walk off an go rest for 5 whole minutes and they will leave

[viscid mica]

You underestimate the pettiness of some of thes eplayers

Recently I played in a cera quad we took on a dibble duo killed one lost 2 on our end and the last of us walked off way away to heal

We spent 10 minutes healing and BRO WAS STILL NEXT TO THE BODY

[crystal wharf]

ive never personally dealt with a player that petty

[viscid mica]

he camped until restart 20 minutes later we got afew bites and managed to catch some smaller pray in the area but bro really was about that

[viscid mica]

It’s really more common than you think atleast on NA officials

Usually herbi groups will stand on it as long as they are big enough or got the numbers

I’ve seen stegos just afk until a body disappears before

(Roughly half an hour)

[crystal wharf]

damn

seems im just getting lucky then

[viscid mica]

Tbh it’s mainly large herbi groups or mixpackers

[candid dome]

Moderator ping in here??

[viscid mica]

Further up think it was a scam bot or something

[candid dome]

I'm assuming it was dealt with

[viscid mica]

Yes

[eager saddle]

I blinked and it was gone x)

[viscid mica]

Which mind you I go out of my way to hunt mix packers and large herbi groups

[candid dome]

superlunary is crazy fast
It's like she sees the post before it even happens

[viscid mica]

This would also help with mixpacker issue as it’d make it harder for they’re herbis to hug

[viscid mica]

Bro has 30 discord clients open with every channel

Ready to go

[tropic falcon]

Must be those lunar powers of her’s

I’ll see myself to the corner now

[viscid mica]

[eager saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-phoenix-wright-objection-capcom-gif-20965907

it was funny, get out of that corner

[hasty coyote]

It activates when below 20% hp, stam, or bleed. And it’s really easy to burn a stego’s stam.

[viscid mica]

WEAVE

[hasty coyote]

don't you still need 20% of their weight to pin? which would be 1200 or 3 omnis

[hasty coyote]

or if it bucks, their stam just melts

[tropic falcon]

But what if I like my corner? It’s crayons and paper for me to draw with. 😂😂😂😂

[viscid mica]

Not if below 20% stam

You can legit duo pin a stego if it’s below 20% stam

[elfin night]

bUfF oMnI

[hasty coyote]

I don't think body camping is really an issue. Since instead of forcing the body camper to leave, you can just have the carnivore leave for like 2 mins and the herbie gets bored 9/10 times. And while you gave a lot of ways to prevent it from having false positives, it can still end up forcing a herbivore to make a terrible decision to leave the only defensive corner because they killed someone. Plus, all those ways to negate it can easily be abused by body campers. Oh these guys killed my kid? time to make a temporary nest on the corpse to make sure they don't get it.

If your issue is specifically with stuff like stego/diablo doing it, then the solution is coming next patch: rex. Idk about you, but I rarely see smaller herbivores camp a body because they can easily be killed by the same predators or by another larger predator who smells the body.

Lastly, while eat to heal exists, body camping is a MUST in combat against carnis. Otherwise they heal to full and just maul you too.

[viscid mica]

I disagree but understand your point

[hasty coyote]

also, the weight requirement goes down from 101% to 20% unless that was changed when the requirement got nerfed to 101%. let me go find the chart real quick.

[viscid mica]

No like it ignores that rule if they are below 20% stam

Try it you’ll see

[hasty coyote]

I'm 90% sure these are the grapple rules:

[viscid mica]

Brother if you don’t believe me go test it

[hasty coyote]

also fair, but at least I personally think the body camping issue is more of a symptom of other issues like mixpacking and lack of large predators. Once those are at least partially fixed and body camping is still a problem, then maybe I can see it. But at the same time, I still think it aint too bad because if it was a carnivore doing the same thing, no one would bat an eye. Especially since carnivores can do the same thing, but also just eat all the organs to spite you.

[viscid mica]

Maybe we’ll see

You could be right

[hasty coyote]

If I had enough people to I would, but have you tried wrangling players on Norden? especially omni players?

[viscid mica]

I don’t play unofficials beyond some testing in which I organize with friends

[hasty coyote]

like it took about 20 minutes for me to finally find someone who would let me alt spam as pachy for less than a minute.

[viscid mica]

All you need is 2 others get a stego below 20% stam and see what happens if both omni mount

[hasty coyote]

same

[viscid mica]

OOF

[viscid mica]

Go play stego on official and get in a fight with omnis XD

[hasty coyote]

you think official omnis would ever want to fight a stego? or be competent enough to even have 2 pounce at once lmao

[viscid mica]

I dunno the 20 pack with 3 dibbles when I was stego sure as hell did

And at least 8 died and 1 dibble

[hasty coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/little-big-planet-suprised-bruh-what-littlebigplanet-gif-18119100423231820417

[viscid mica]

That’s always why I know for a fact 2 can pin

At 20% stam or below

[worthy steeple]

the worst mechanic in the game

[vague helm]

No. It didn't.

When animals stay pounced on a target and they move, even if just walking, they lose their stamina as if running.

Which is still a thing.

So, again, Troodon venom never took stamina

[swift wind]

correct

[topaz elm]

if you had watched the video I provided in my feedback you wouldve seen that yes it indeed did

[vague helm]

I have watched the video, when it released.

[swift wind]

evidently not learnt about herra pounce yet...

[topaz elm]

then you shouldve seen that this was a private test for troodon's venom mechanic draining stamina

a proposed mechanic to help troodon hunt prey, which was scrapped because certain animals (stego) were unable to fight back

[vague helm]

No.
If you actually watched it, you'd see that the Troodon's end up staying latched on the stego while he moves.

Once again, you use some kind of "proof" and completely ignore what I said.

Troodon venom never took stamina, ever.

Them staying latched on for longer, and the stego trotting while they're latched on is what drains the stamina.

And that is still a thing.

Typical case of people claiming something that they don't even understand themselves, then use an age old video as some kind of "proof" when what is happening in that video has been explained to you WHY it happens in the first place

[iron tree]

@fallow reef just swim away and don't bother with the stego

as much as I'd like to beat up stegos as gator

it's NOT worth it

[fallow reef]

Its kinda dumb that they just sit on a bank tail swiping at everything while using the water glitch to see tho

Not saying I don't swim away, I'm just saying that kinda behavior shouldn't be rewarded

[iron tree]

true

[fallow reef]

It's one thing to body block for your herbie friends it's another to be like 70% submerged

[elfin night]

Terrible take

[eager saddle]

they can also hold their heads underwater x)

[sleek sierra]

Sounds like that's the real issue here then. Because as a canni gator the water glitch is way too op. So might be best if we fix that and see how things change as a result?

[sleek sierra]

According to jurassic Park, due to frog DNA, dinos could change sex, so like some frogs and turtles can do, maybe stegos can breathe through their butt??? 😆

[eager saddle]

surely

[sleek sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/derp-dinosaur-playing-mother-and-son-run-gif-5105417

[eager saddle]

aight I'll admit, that's cute

[fallow reef]

I think so as well

[sleek sierra]

Yeah, couldn't find the exact kind of gif I was looking for, but this one was too relevant to scroll past. Lol

[swift wind]

Was your take buddy I’m just agreeing

[elfin night]

Terrible take

[iron tree]

@proper berry just...don't hunt the 6t stegosaur

[proper berry]

i dont there just lame broken and toxic lol

[iron tree]

They're not broken

[proper berry]

and the should not be so inmortal

[iron tree]

2 good dibbles can maul a stego

[proper berry]

2200 dmg hit is not broken lol ?

[iron tree]

No

[proper berry]

2 hit dibble is dead

[iron tree]

Stego moves slower than a turtle

[proper berry]

1600 heavy / 2200 running heavy

[iron tree]

W + shift

[proper berry]

waterguarding is anyoing af

[iron tree]

Just go to another water source

[proper berry]

u ever play croc ?

[iron tree]

I do play deino (it isn't a croc...)

[proper berry]

....

[iron tree]

But there is some neat mechanic

If you press ctrl you submerge and when you hold w you can move away

[proper berry]

there tail slam is broken af

[iron tree]

You're simply ignoring my point

[proper berry]

smartass fr

no u are mine

90% are toxic teabagging watergaurd

bring noting to the game

[iron tree]

I think you mean "no, you're ignoring mine" ^^"

[iron tree]

They're going to be one of rex's main food sources

[iron tree]

Nothing forces you to hunt them...just...don't fight them and move away

I usually ignore stegos as it isn't worth it to bother with them

[worthy steeple]

just so you know juicy blocked me for disagreeing and downvoting their posts

i found that very funny

[iron tree]

They probably blocked me too

Apparently they didn't

I don't know why people claim stego is broken. Just avoid/ignore it and run away

[fiery shard]

today stego covered teno with himself. I ran out and grabbed the teno. stego only hit me once and my hp was yellow. “water guard" doesn't work if you can play croc and know how to play

[proper berry]

vs noob stego yees

good stego rapid fire 4 heavy in 2 sec ur dead

there just anyoing brads noting more

ejoying other deny food

the bring noting to the game there just so bored couse there broken the anoy crocs all day

[fiery shard]

no noob. it's just that new stego attack doesn't work well and often hits the wrong place

and I agree that stego should have gotten a new attack only when there is a rex, but uh

[iron tree]

or just...be more cautious around stegos..

[worthy steeple]

AHAAH NO.

i want you to fight the dibble without the power swing and let me know the outcome of the fight

[fiery shard]

I was killing them with no new attack and no stamina. it's a matter of skill and nothing more

Alt attack stego hits before he makes a tail movement. remember this and use it against dibble calmly

[worthy steeple]

not gonna work against the good dibble sadly, nothing you can do without the power swing.

alt attack is too slow and easy to bait

not to mention the power swing is really useful attack outside of fighting the dibbles

stego is fine right meow, it’s one of the dinos i have no issue with.

just trot away if you can’t fight it

[swift wind]

@void reef w pfp

[edgy crow]

#balance-feedback message thoughts?

[shrewd jungle]

maia can already knock down carno and cera

[edgy crow]

how 😭

[shrewd jungle]

have to be running straight

[edgy crow]

interesting

[worthy steeple]

i actually changed my mind on maias swimming speed, instead of making it swim slower than teno, we should instead buff tenos speed to match the maias👹👹👹

both can only every use it to swim away anyway

it’s kinda unfair that cera got the same swimming speed as teno and can fight in water, but teno can’t.

so i want teno to be faster, but not be able to fight in water and cera be slower and be able to fight in water

[edgy crow]

Maia doesn't really need the swim speed anyway. Plus, if I want it to be able to consistently catch up and knock down Cera (I do), it should be able to swim to escape.

[worthy steeple]

hmm i don’t really want maia to be able to hunt cera effectively, cera is slower an can’t really run away from it

[iron tree]

I dunno why teno and maia need the water at all

[worthy steeple]

swim away

[iron tree]

I mean yeah teno uses its terrain a lot

[worthy steeple]

the best thing herbivore can do is not fight at all

[iron tree]

but maia? not really

[edgy crow]

A solo cera should be heavily punished for trying to fight maia

[worthy steeple]

maias whole thing is being fast, i wanted to balanced it being slow in water to make it vulnerable, but i guess its not what the devs want, what they want is an ultimate runner

[worthy steeple]

i agree, that’s why maia in quad is pretty strong, but running down ceras in biped is mehh

[edgy crow]

you would still have to deal with 3-4 seconds of acceleration + you could go into the jungle + you could swim away

[worthy steeple]

start running in quad, aim, switch to biped and get quick acceleration

and then do the stun+stomp combo

[edgy crow]

my suggestion says to remove that thing, I personally don't like it

[worthy steeple]

hm, well idk, i think it’s pretty good

[edgy crow]

I think if you switch to quad mode while running, your biped mode acceleration should be reset

that makes it a bit more balanced

and to compensate, 1-2 seconds will be shaved off the actual acceleration time

[worthy steeple]

oh idk about that

i would also love to not buff maias biped alt attacks speed but instead buff the damage, so they’re slow but if they hit you you will feel the damage

[edgy crow]

meh... quad mode should be where the real damage is, with the double stomp and back kicks

[worthy steeple]

oh no.

[edgy crow]

I don't mind the biped mode alts having not a lot of damage

[worthy steeple]

not the double stomp

[edgy crow]

what's wrong with the double stomp

[worthy steeple]

well look.

biped = slow alts but more damage

quad = quick alts and less damage

[worthy steeple]

too much, that’s why it got removed

its 350+350 damage

[iron tree]

"I am...speeeeed"

[worthy steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-devil-diabolique-evil-gif-9725651736562738158

this gif is disgusting ngl

[edgy crow]

are we talking about the same attack? when you tap lmb in quad mode and do a quick double stomp?

[worthy steeple]

oh nvm

[steep otter]

This one only deals 100 damage

[worthy steeple]

this one is fine

[edgy crow]

Quad mode: lots of knockdowns, slow attacks, good damage, low stam cost

Biped mode: harder knockdowns, fast attacks, lower damage, higher stam cost (shove)

this is how it should be

[worthy steeple]

also, maias kick should knockdown for longer period of time, to it can turn and stomp combo it.

i dont see what’s the point of the stun and knockdown if you can’t even do the combo after

and the stomp that does 175+175 should also knockdown omnis/dilos so maia can stomp again.

i really want to punish them for getting to the maias stomp range.

and also it’s kinda weird that maia can’t even one shot an omni with the stomp.

[edgy crow]

agreeable

[worthy steeple]

but ofc it shouldn’t stun or knockdown something bigger

[edgy crow]

my main goal with my post was to make biped mode feel useful and distinct again

I want it to feel like pre-nerf maia again without being as overpowered

[worthy steeple]

i think that’s impossible

[iron tree]

"but that's too op"
Me when the almost 4 ton bulk stomps a fragile little rat

[worthy steeple]

there is a way tho, kinda.

so give maia its HT agility, but make it so it can’t stun anything cera size and larger it biped mode.

but idk about that honestly.. it’s questionable

[worthy steeple]

imo if you got stomped by a maia as an omni, that’s really on you, you should be punished

[edgy crow]

like the turning is genuinely atrocious

its so miserable to run with biped maia

I know that's the point... but it already has stupid slow acceleration

[worthy steeple]

honestly, biped is mostly for running, if you want to fight you should use quad

it’s just better for fighting

[edgy crow]

it still will be

it just won't die on the spot if its caught in biped mode

[worthy steeple]

maias almost 4k health allows it to make so many mistakes without dying, making it too strong might ruin the balance

the thing i want maia to be omni/dilo bully, it shouldn’t be good vs cera or teno

[iron tree]

indeed

same as stego's powerswing

[worthy steeple]

yeah

[iron tree]

why did the animal even get to hit you

[edgy crow]

why allo?

[worthy steeple]

oh what

i swear i typed omni

[edgy crow]

allo vs maia should be in favour of the allo, and 2 allos should absolutely wreck maia

[worthy steeple]

I TYPED OMNI

my phone hates me

i meant omni/dilo, not allo/dilo obviously, i’m just extra silly today

[edgy crow]

I just hate to see Maias running in fear of a Cera, it should be the other way around

[worthy steeple]

sometimes i see 2-3 maias running around absolutely destroying the lone ceras without any chances for them to escape💀

[edgy crow]

thats why I want cera to be easily able to swim away

nuke maia's swim speed to balance it out

[worthy steeple]

water is too situational tbh, and usually you don’t want to swim, because the deinos can be anywhere

and cera already got a massive advantage in the water, it can stay there for long and it can bite

maia can’t do anything in the water other than swim and it uses a lot more stamina doing so

[crystal stream]

Hear me out rn except for stego dibble is one of the strongest things in the game by a long margin and that’s fine sense not many carnis can match in the weight department but would it be that bad to reduce the acceleration by a lil I mean the thing can go from standing completely still to running in a full blown sprint in a fraction of a second while also having the weight and strength to knock u down with is bs hitbox

[iron tree]

yes it'd be bad

• it's a quadrupedal animal

ofc it's gonna accelerate fast

[crystal stream]

Brudda the thing is heavy asf

[crystal stream]

No it would not

[iron tree]

it's still quadrupedal

and it'd screw over dibble so badly

it already turns quite bad and relies on its drift to quickly turn around

now imagine you take its acceleration

[crystal stream]

It could still drift

[iron tree]

I think you do not really get it

if dibble loses its insta acceleration it won't be able to defend itself properly as it'd take a long time to even start running

THEN it'd have to drift to turn around and in the meantime let's say a cera gets tons of bites in because the dibble can't turn around

and alt attacks lock you in place

Dibble is fine as it is.

If something isn't broken, don't touch it!

[crystal stream]

I think bro got mad

[iron tree]

I don't think so

I am explaining to you why nuking dibble's insta acceleration is NOT a good idea

• you can literally avoid dibbles

[crystal stream]

I think ur thinking im trying to nuke dibbles acceleration into the ground like Mia all I’m saying is it could use a slight reduce but I get where ur coming from

[iron tree]

slightly reducing its acceleration is already nuking it as it really needs to drift to defend itself properly! Especially with some creature around the corner

Dibble is fine as it is. It's just a large herbivore and there aren't any large carnivores around atm

that's why stego and dibble are so powerful. They are made to defend themselves against carnivores that aren't in the game yet

[crystal stream]

Aight congrats u changed my mind ig that’s the typa shi u come up when fighting solo cera agaist dibble

[iron tree]

maybe don't fight dibbles as a lone cera

[shadow vortex]

@edgy crow (sorry for the ping). I don’t understand, you want to deprive Maia of faster achieving full speed in bipedal mode with quad in your second point?

[crystal stream]

Why not

[iron tree]

get some buddies and beat it up

[crystal stream]

It’s fun

[iron tree]

dibble hurts

[edgy crow]

yes

[crystal stream]

Heck if the dibble is bad enough you can win

[iron tree]

I was a 50% dibble yesterday and beat up 3 carnos

[crystal stream]

Carno should not fight dibble

To slow turning

[iron tree]

it was a pack

and I was a sub

[crystal stream]

Still don’t fight it unless u can ram and not get stuns

[iron tree]

you can hit and run

at least in a pack

a lone carno stands no chance

[crystal stream]

Not if the dibble knows how to turn properly

[iron tree]

dibble's weakness is being outnumbered

[crystal stream]

Carno can’t turn tho it’s predictable

[shadow vortex]

But what for… It’s just a nerf for a nerf, in my vision xd But anyway, I guess…

[iron tree]

not in a coordinated pack of three

the drift is good and stuff but if you don't know which carno is going in it can get really stressful

[crystal stream]

Okay I will say a coordinated pack def can

I will agree there

[hasty coyote]

@edgy crow I agree with all but the second point. I think being able to shift from quad to biped to accelerate faster is one of its best features. Its just interesting, fun, and takes just a little bit of skill to master. Plus, the turning kinda has to be bad so that smalls can juke it easily because otherwise its just fatter carno.

Also I'd personally prefer quad attacks to be made better (slightly faster start up and less stam cost) rather than biped, since quad is made more for combat while biped is made more for running away.

[iron tree]

And keep in mind that I'm talking about a sub dibble here

I think I was 1.7t iirc

[edgy crow]

It negates the weaknesses of the biped mode tho

[iron tree]

I barely made it out alive and right after the fight I got mauled by ceras :(

[shadow vortex]

Agreed. Removing that thing is just unnecessary, tbh, and buffing the turn radius just lets Maia to follow and stun small creatures too easily. If it wants to defend from them, let it use the quad more effectively, like reducing end lag on static attacks. Biped should be only used for running purposes, imho, or if something stands in your way on the run lol.

[crystal stream]

Was the pack coordinated

[hasty coyote]

it still takes time to accelerate to full, It just takes like 2-3 seconds rather than 5, which is still enough to make it a big weakness. Plus, the turning is the other part of the weakness.

[iron tree]

Kinda

They forced me to log camp (some random log saved me...for like 5 more minutes before I got ceratosaurus'd)

[edgy crow]

The acceleration is big enough a weakness imo, especially with my suggested change to running while switching. Turning just frankly makes it miserable to play.

[dusky surge]

@elfin night i agree with everything you said except the speed. I think speed is perfectly fine. It's a arboreal critter that can near instantly vanish in any low foliage making it near impossible to track, on top of its insane agility. If it stays in the jungle, even if it does fall to the ground, it'd be extremely hard to spot

if anything, herrera's speed should be nerfed to be more like hypsi's imho

[edgy crow]

43km/h 👍

btw what do you think of my maia idea?

[worthy steeple]

i think herrera should be faster in juvenile stage and slower in adult. like dilo or omni

[worthy steeple]

42-43 sounds good

[edgy crow]

I agree, spawning at 15km/h is genuinely absurd

[worthy steeple]

i don’t know why exactly they decided to make it that slow

it doesn’t really make growing herrera much harder, it’s just more annoying to travel

[edgy crow]

If it spawned at 20km/h or hell even 30km/h everything on the roster would still run it down pretty comfortably

[viscid mica]

@proper berry yes stego are not balanced towards the current roaster the are balanced for when apex’s drop if you nerf stego now they will be completely unplayable later on.

Being short sighted because you can’t grab it as a deino is silly just don’t go after the stego and its group or be smart about it

@strange patrol I’m pretty sure the dilo clones being useless is a bug

@edgy crow 1 is good the rest kinda meh and or over tuning as Maia is meant to be a brawler

[maiden temple]

#balance-feedback message
The whole biped/quad mechanic should change a bit imo. Biped should have faster turn, lower damage but faster attacks, while movement speed should be slower. Quad should make your movement speed faster, but make you turn slower and attack slower but with more power.
This would raise the skill ceiling for the playable and make it the most interesting one to play.

I might be a bit over-inspired here, but I honestly can imagine it that way

I agree with the swim speed!

[shrewd jungle]

do you mean to make bipedal maia's turn faster than quadrupedal?

[viscid mica]

I think they meant the other way around but got lost in the sauce and forgot what stance is what

[maiden temple]

Yeah, since it would have slower movement speed in that idea, it would be a more combat-y stance vs quad being more defensive

[iron tree]

@crimson crater how to make ceratosaurus actually stick to its niche instead of making is the META pick for ultimate hunting

[crimson crater]

#balance-feedback message 95 that’s almost as much as a dilo who is half its size

[iron tree]

read for yourself what cera was supposed to be

I've been saying this a lot, but cera should be a "don't mess with me playable". A defensive scavenger you shouldn't mess with as a fight would be very nasty

[crimson crater]

outright nerfing its stats won’t help, it just needs to be reworked

[iron tree]

giving it a permanent damage reduction is not a nerf

[crimson crater]

yes it is.

look at carno for example, it used to be strong and then it got nerfed, it didn’t help it performing in its niche better just made it a F tier playable. the solution was never to buff or nerf it, it was to rework it

[iron tree]

it's not unviable just because it can't do slighty more damage than a deino

[iron tree]

it is a rework rather than a nerf

[crimson crater]

its strongest attack only doing 195 rivaling the dmg of the small game hunter is insane. especially when we got playables like teno doing 250

[cosmic pelican]

#balance-feedback message this cera would get absolutely folded by carno and dilo

[iron tree]

it'd not

[glass harbor]

not necessarily

[iron tree]

A flat 10% damage reduction

[cosmic pelican]

95 dmg per bite would just make it even more facetankable by dilo

[iron tree]

That's why it gets an increased biting speed

[glass harbor]

10% damage reduction

[cosmic pelican]

And a 195 dmg charged bite would mean carno can comfortably trade with it to win

[crimson crater]

nothing to compensate cutting its dmg by half

[cosmic pelican]

An extra 130hp wont make up for a nearly 50% dmg nerf

I hate cera too, with a passion, but that would just kill it

[iron tree]

I don't hate cera

I want cera to stick to its niche

[crimson crater]

by making it a walking happy meal?

[iron tree]

It'd not be walking carno food

[cosmic pelican]

Switch ceras and carnos growth time tbh

[iron tree]

that wouldn't make cera sticking to its niche at all

[cosmic pelican]

Tap charge + bite combo on carno is a minimum of 250dmg, way more than ceras max charged bite with that nerf

Not even bringing stun charge into consideration

Which would make the combo do nearly 300dmg

[iron tree]

please always consider the 10% damage reduction

• cera can attack faster than before and does more bile

[cosmic pelican]

Its 130 extra hp, which is just 1 extra bite for carno

And the attack speed wont matter against a hit and run playstyle

[iron tree]

hm

I mean you could always buff cera's agility

[cosmic pelican]

A carno would kill the cera in 3.8 combos, a cera would need 5 charged bites
(Counted all headshots)

Even with the dmg reduction cera loses the trade battle

Even if every bite it does lands, and the charge never stuns

[iron tree]

hm

how much would 20% do

cera should really be more defensive

[cosmic pelican]

Carno would need 4.16 combos to kill the cera, cera would need 4.44 charged bites to kill carno

But if we bring stun charge into the equation carno still wins hard

[iron tree]

hmm

well, I didn't really think of that

[cosmic pelican]

It would need a 30+% dmg reduction just to make it viable

And thats just stupid imo

[iron tree]

indeed

But I doubt there'll be too many ceras around once allo drops

I'll still play cera and hopefully allo will force cera into its niche

[cosmic pelican]

Switch cera's and carno's growth 🥔 👍

Current cera would be way more fair as a nearly 3 hour grow

Juvi and sub ceras are easy to pick off

[wanton edge]

@iron tree i agree but the bite damage reduction to 95 may be too extreme 😭

[abstract yew]

@iron tree That's just completely butchering it😭. Leave it alone, let's wait for allo cera will be forced into its niche naturally

[iron tree]

It's just a suggestion

95 damage in exchange for an even faster bite

[iron tree]

I sure do hope so

well, there are balance changes planned and I really hope cera gets some nerfs

[abstract yew]

We'll see

[worthy steeple]

@crimson crater #balance-feedback message you won’t like this

even i didn’t like this lol, this is so bad

oh nvm i’m late to the party, you already discussed that. eh sad times

[edgy crow]

I agree with nerfs to charge bite's damage but that's silly

[worthy steeple]

yeah but not to 195, it’s 150 damage less that it does right now, imo changing charge bite to 250 would be alright and make it so it damage changes to 345 depending on how strong is body buff

honestly even typing 345 damage is scary when you realize how much it is lol

[edgy crow]

250 damage charge bite is pretty reasonable... it needs to take longer as well

[worthy steeple]

i bet they will actually nerf all that stuff or rework the cera completely once allo is in the game

i think they even said they’re planning to rework the cera, but that was like a while ago, like right after the carno rework

[dusky surge]

it can lol

[uncut trellis]

If the teno is an idiot

[viscid mica]

@iron tree you’d be nuking cera playability in the long term

It really only needs a minor tweak to how vomit works primarily not animation locking people and giving free hits

Anything else will over tune and make it useless long term

@arctic sigil I feel like if you reduce their hitbox they’d be insanely hard to get off sense it’ll be significantly harder to hit them

@maiden ginkgo neither carno nor cera are large enough to justify a insta death grab

[maiden ginkgo]

Not insta death grab. Just a grab at a lower damage that a dino can fight to escape.

Most small dino's will still die regardless but larger ones now can fight back.

[dusky surge]

you know carno doesnt have a charge bite?

[viscid mica]

Still no they don’t need it

It’ll effect balancing drastically

[maiden ginkgo]

Yeah, just remove the charge, much better option.

[cosmic pelican]

#balance-feedback message "how to make stego get mopped by a dibble tutorial."

[viscid mica]

@light wind the window is called baiting attacks and wasting it’s stam as they have insanely slow stam regeneration and each swing costs 10%

Also stego is meant to fight large stuff which there currently isn’t any

It’s not built for you to attack it as pint sized ankle demons

[light wind]

Baiting powerswing while it still has stam is doing nothing, as it can just immediately do another right after, and let's say I do bait it's stam dry, tactile just gives it back when I do get a window to hit it

[viscid mica]

Again like I said nothing in the current roaster is meant to hunt it anyways

You want to hunt stego get a large omni pack get it’s stam below 20% and everyone jump on

There are 6 spots and 6 omni for full stam can do 1k damage

[cosmic pelican]

Or 2 dibbles with a brain

[viscid mica]

Do it honk tactile is trash and op yes

[viscid mica]

1 dibble is all you need it’s insane how easy it is to stun lock a stego

[cosmic pelican]

1v1 is stego sided, just dont fall for the baits, the dibble will tire itself out while trying to, and 1 knockdown is most likely gg

[viscid mica]

Oh ya 1 get is gg

They 2 tap dibbles with power swings after all

[cosmic pelican]

A bad stego is doable, but a patient one isnt

[viscid mica]

A skilled stego is basically immortal

A smart stego will just use jabs early on too as they cost way less yam and still do 1k damage

[dusky surge]

i love how people blame stego for tactile being overpowered. tactile is a crutch for stego that it basically hard relies on, remove it and you'd probably need to buff stego based on how much it relies on it

[viscid mica]

Not really stego that relies more like teno

Tenos sleep on tactile so hard

[keen plover]

Really? Teno is really good without it

[dusky surge]

teno is fine without it

its stamina economy is really efficient

teno benefits from it, sure, but stego relies on it the most out of every dinosaur

[viscid mica]

Any teno I’ve met who didn’t run it was either new or the god of all teno and simply didn’t need it cuz skill issue

[viscid mica]

It’s funny cuz it barely gets anything from it

[keen plover]

Teno's were really good pre mutations anyways.

Mutations pretty much gives them the ability to fight things and then run off when its tough which is lame

They can dump 1/2 of their stam but they get it all back for being hit. Very fun

[viscid mica]

But anyways enough about mutations

[keen plover]

They need to halve the stam costs on stegos ability honestly and just remove tactile

[dusky surge]

that's literally the best way to balance it

[viscid mica]

Stego ain’t built for this roaster simple as people need to accept that fact and just wait for stuff actually meant to scrap with it

If we nerf stego now it’ll be unplayable when stuff it’s built to fight come out

[dusky surge]

i wouldnt call removing tactile a nerf as much as it is a necessity

[viscid schooner]

Fun fact, the short little quick thwap stego does with powerswing is indeed 100% spammable and there is literally, actually, 0 time in between for attack openings 👍

[viscid mica]

Brother go read what we are originally reacting too

It has nothing to do with tactile

Bird randomly brought it up

[viscid mica]

Yes we are all aware it’s said only every other minute

[dusky surge]

no he didn't? it was literally part of the dude's argument as to why stego needed a nerf

[viscid schooner]

You are forced to survive stego desync until its stamina is gone to have a chance at fighting it. Which the existence of tactile just doesn't make fighting stegs worth it, period

[viscid mica]

Later on but not the original arguement

[viscid mica]

Remove tactile

[viscid schooner]

Big agree

[viscid mica]

And like I said stegos are hella do able with omni

Hell I’ve done em with dilo too

[dusky surge]

remove tactile, readjust the stamina costs on its attacks now that it doesnt replenish stamina every 2 seconds, good stuff

[viscid mica]

I need more people to attempt a troodon

[viscid schooner]

Troodon would be incredible if pounce didn't screw it over 9 times out of 10

Get stuck on a dismount glitch and you're dead

[dusky surge]

it still messes with me that for some bizarre reason OMNI is good at hunting STEGO. That should not be the case lmao

[viscid mica]

It’s amazing you just need numbers and timing down

[viscid mica]

It’s cuz you can pin low stam with only 2 and stego burns stam like a crazy

[viscid schooner]

I think raptors should be fully capable of hunting large game in numbers?

[viscid mica]

PLUS raptor mount doesn’t give tactile

So you get full 1k damage with no downside

[dusky surge]

large game, sure, but stego should be one of the hardest things to hunt for a raptor. It's literally flank-defence, the animal, vs flanker, the animal

[viscid mica]

Beyond having low stam

[viscid mica]

I feel like anky will be harder cuz natural defence to attacks from above and the side

[glossy elbow]

how much damage does stego's base powerswing do?

[viscid mica]

I honestly can’t wait for anky as I feel like fighting them will be really interesting

[dusky surge]

well, obviously anky would be harder, but that's literally the only other example i can think of

[viscid mica]

1800

[dusky surge]

i honestly think anky should just be immune to raptor entirely lol

[viscid mica]

Me when kentro

[dusky surge]

okay it too

idk what kentro has to do with anything lmao

both anky and kentro can be immune to omni

[viscid mica]

Technically kentro has 2 spots on its rear legs but that’s it

[viscid mica]

SPIKES ALL THE SPIKES AHAHAHAHA

[glossy elbow]

what would you change the costs to?

[viscid mica]

It always feels weird defending stego being so strong as someone who intends to main something that’s actually in the weight category to hunt it and is shown hunting it in its concept art (check pf)

[dusky surge]

jab 4%, standing powerswing 6%, running powerswing 8%

as opposed to jab 5%, standing powerswing 10%, running powerswing 15%

[viscid mica]

Good numbers for when apex’s exist imo

[dusky surge]

alberto's concept art is so goddamn cringe lmao honestly i cant take it seriously at all

[viscid mica]

But for right now I’d say leave it

[viscid mica]

It’s all child neglect

[dusky surge]

yea of course

[viscid mica]

I never understood why 60% of Alberto concept is child neglect fr

[dusky surge]

alberto being shown literally just biting down on stego's head and hunting it solo is so laughably stupid and shows how they'll just throw stego under the bus to make anything else seem strong

[glossy elbow]

can't it already do thousands of damage in just a few seconds is that really necessary even with the rest of the roster?

[dusky surge]

yes

because other animals will do more damage in less time for less stam

[viscid mica]

Duo it’s hunting it in a duo

[dusky surge]

if stego is to have one niche, it should be just doing enough damage to get anything to leave it alone

[dusky surge]

the other alberto is literally just watching i call that solo

[viscid mica]

One’s baiting the tail the other is taking the face

It even shows the stego swinging at the back

[dusky surge]

if a rex has 9350 HP, and stego does 1800 damage per swing, and legs take 60% damage, that's

9350/(1800 x 0.6)

9 hits. AKA, 90% stamina. Uh oh

Miss one hit and you're dead haha

[viscid mica]

You also gotta realize Rex will be putting its face near that tail

And I wouldn’t be suprised if land apex’s take 2x HS damage

[dusky surge]

doubt it

it'll be a stego exclusive feature i bet

[viscid mica]

Unlikely but wouldn’t be busted

[dusky surge]

possibly maybe also a kentro thing too

[viscid mica]

That would be word kentro is so small

Kentro is roughly cera sized it doesn’t need to take double HS

[dusky surge]

yea but its also a stegosaurid so i wouldnt be surprised if it does

[viscid mica]

If they do that I want to talk to stegos as kentro in exchange

[glossy elbow]

i hope not

[viscid mica]

Fr

[glossy elbow]

with stego it makes at some level of sense but for kentro that would just hurt the playable more then anything

[viscid mica]

Tbh I feel like if the mid ranged carnis allo and Alberto will have best ods against stego as they’ll be nimble enough to not get rocked by attacks

[viscid mica]

Absolutely

[glossy elbow]

yeah and at the very least they'll be able to tank at least one body shot to get away if they need to

[viscid mica]

Yup

To be honest with how envirma combat works I’m insanely excited to see what they do with allo and Alberto’s mobility

[glossy elbow]

yeah it'll be great

[viscid mica]

Legit just make it a high mobility sub Rex

I’m also Albertan so I’m extremely biased

[glossy elbow]

lol

[dusky surge]

i guess it kinda makes sense given everything else would probably have some level of damage resist or reflective damage, given how i doubt the spikes will take full body damage

im just saying i wouldnt be surprised

[viscid mica]

I’d be much sad

[dusky surge]

if kentro had enough going for it otherwise, i'd be fine with it

[viscid mica]

True I mean we’ll have to see come kentro HT

Honestly as long as I got a body check move of some kind and Kentro does high bleed I’ll be happy

[raven mist]

#balance-feedback Why are we still trying to change Cera stats at all in this moment in time, I have no clue. Cera does not need to be changed until a mid tier carnivore like Allo is dropped to see where it sits balance parameter wise, which will likely be after Rex and trike are dropped or at the same time at this point. Cera loses to stego and dibble hard on average. Skill gap will make the difference of the outcome of those matchups. Until more higher tier Dino’s are added I don’t think it’s needs to be touched. Unless you want to nerf charge bite dmg to the head by like 25-50. But again it will depend on the stats of the Dino’s to come

[viscid mica]

✅

[steep gazelle]

@light wind Powerswing is fast and strong, but has a high stam cost, with few attacks being enough to deplete the stego's entire stam. And, well, the stego's lack of mobility is compensated by a high damage capacity.

[light wind]

I don't think it should recieve a huge nerf or anything, just think it would benefit from a small adjustment. Being able to hold up its tail forever to me feels a bit like if cera could hold it's charge bite forever, I think that if it eventually went down on its own and the stego had to wait a second or 2 to raise it again it would add a level of skill to playing stego with managing that timeframe, as well as maintaining patience

[iron tree]

Me when the large stegosaur is dangerous

Just don't fight it

It's that easy

[viscid mica]

Again it’s not meant to be hunted by smalls with ease

[worthy steeple]

so people just wait for it to go down and then bite? and repeat everything after?

that will make a stego useless

[light wind]

It would still have its normal swing, it wouldn't be defenseless, at least the normal swing has a bit of cooldown

[dusky surge]

it would because the tail going down has an animation lock to it, and the jab itself doesnt come out instantly

so yea, literally just counting the seconds vs a stego would easily hard counter it

as long as you're not stupid, you could easily basically hold a stego hostage or force it to make rash moves because it's on a literal time limit

which sucks for the stego because its entire gameplay should be inherently patient

[iron tree]

Me when the massive stegosaur can defend itself against smaller animals

Stego ain't immortal

2 good dibbles can kill a stego

[dusky surge]

it cant afford to be on a timer because its entire gameplay relies on you to come to it

unlike cerato, who can unhinge its jaw and just SPRINT at you at a generally quite impressive speed and attack the moment the button is pressed, stegosaurus kinda can't really do either. The attacks have a little bit of a delay before they hit, and are pivoted to the side and back, not the front of stego, meaning its entire charged attack is reactionary, not active

the issue i see is that you're equating the two because they both charge, but they really are not that similar at all beyond the fact that, yea, they both charge

if anything, the power swing is less of a charge and more of a stance

it'd be like if maia had only a couple of seconds in biped before it was forced to be in quad

or dibble had a couple of seconds in spar before it was forced to be back in normal stance

[viscid schooner]

Dibble shouldn't be running around like the menace that it is, either

Cerato... we don't talk about how stupidly broken it is right now. Needs the hop/anim lock after CB reinstated for sure.

Stego needs a cooldown between the small "tap swings" it does, which for some reason do the same amount of damage as its full sprinting swing? If it's going to spammable, shouldn't do the same damage as its big one.

[dusky surge]

i dont understand this

why does it need this? it's genuinely just unfun clunk, you aren't balancing it as much as you are just making it lamer to play and STILL busted

[viscid schooner]

The hop makes a missed CB punishable

[dusky surge]

the full sprinting swing does far more damage

[viscid schooner]

Impossible to tell on the current roster because it's still a one-shot 9 times out of 10

If stego isn't balanced for the current roster, it shouldn't exist until there's playable ready for it

[dusky surge]

deino

[viscid schooner]

Confined to water, essentially totally avoidable if you know where to drink

[dusky surge]

doesnt matter, its still the exact same scenario you described for stego

one shot 9 times out of ten and not balanced for the current roster with no playables ready for it

[viscid mica]

[viscid schooner]

And shouldn't exist either if it were up to me

[viscid mica]

Why not

[viscid schooner]

Unbalanced for current state of the game. If spino and allo and rex and all the other large end of mid-to-big tiers were around to provide competition, it wouldn't be so much of a problem

[viscid mica]

It was simply the first one to make a appearance it not being balanced for current roaster sucks to suck

Anyone can grow them

I mean new apex’s are right around the corner

[viscid schooner]

Deino life is deino vs deino and "Oh look, I killed one omniraptor in the past 6 hours of gameplay." Spino especially and I guess groups of barys would add more purpose to its life cycle. No clue about the plans for austro. It just seems a bit pointless right now

[viscid mica]

Austro gonna be roughly raptor sized basically a water version of them

[viscid schooner]

It'll probably end up as deino fodder if it's meant to be semi-aquatic

[viscid mica]

Doubtful

[viscid schooner]

I think spino needs way more attention than it's being given right now

[viscid mica]

I’d like to see a deino catch the giggle chicken

[viscid mica]

Not really we need a whole water system over haul before these hyper shallow rivers are ready for spino

[worthy steeple]

i think the stego is the last playable that needs a nerf right now. especially with the rex being added soon.

i mean i actually expect them to buff the stego instead so it can fight back and not get instead pinned by the rex

but it depends on how strong the rex will be tbh

[light wind]

Rex being added next is also a mistake, imo

[viscid schooner]

I would hope austros will be fast enough to avoid deinos, but I have reason to doubt. Look at beipi.

The map in general needs to not be generated imo, but they didn't learn after Spiro

Jumping straight to rex is a huge mistake

[dusky surge]

i mean... just get out of the water if a deino is around? austro is exceptionally quick, agile and graceful both in and out of water

personally i hope austro isnt faster than deino in water

it should be more agile and endurant, obviously, but deino should be a considerable threat

also austro outswimming both beipi and deino seems silly to me

[viscid mica]

While I might agree we lack the food resources to supply Rex rn I don’t think it’s a big mistake

It’s highly anticipated and will move a lot of attention from legacy to envirma

[viscid schooner]

Everybody and great aunt Peggie wants rex, I know. But how is it going to fit into what we have currently is the question

[viscid mica]

It’s counter part will most certainly come with it

[worthy steeple]

i think it’s about time tbh, the game is closer and closer to its release, rex will bring a lot of attention to evrima. and i think it’s a great addition to the current roster, because not every rex is going to be an adults there’s sub stage too that will probably be the longest stage in its life.

not to mention that we will also get the trike and stego is already in the game, so it’s not like there’s nothing for fg rex to fight

[viscid mica]

Plus allo is close on its heels

[dusky surge]

also maia and dibble act as prettty efficient food sources. i worry about dibble's survivability tho

[worthy steeple]

sub rexes are going to be new ceras, running all around the map. be ready to kill

[viscid schooner]

I want to know how our mid tiers are going to fair under stego-rex-trike-deino dominant ecosystems

Teno? Omni? Carno? God forbid, pachy?

[viscid mica]

Easily

With speed

[dusky surge]

by... walking away? lol

[viscid mica]

Fr

[dusky surge]

same as they've always done

also omni and pachy are midtiers now?

hell, teno and carno are midtiers now?

[viscid mica]

Fr

[viscid schooner]

Apparently not anymore

[viscid mica]

Never where

[worthy steeple]

me too, but someone checked the game files and apparently the rexes top speed is 29, idk about the murder sprint tho.

i always thought they will make rex like 38/kmh but with the horrible stamina, but i guess i was wrong.

tho maybe i wasn’t? depends how murder sprint works, i hope it’s not “crouch for 3 seconds and get the speed boost” we had in legacy.

i expect it to work the way that it will activate if you press the key or maybe double tap the shift or something and it will make you faster in exchange of stamina cost and poor turn radius

[viscid mica]

Omni pachy are 100% small

[worthy steeple]

but 29 could be just a placeholder, we don’t know that.

[viscid mica]

Murder speed is probs fast but bad stam

[viscid mica]

29 with current speeds sounds right

They’ve made everything kinda slower

[dusky surge]

29km/hr. That seems manageable

[worthy steeple]

i also expect poor agility too

[viscid mica]

I mean it’s a freaking Rex

[worthy steeple]

also apparently the elder teno might be 2t which is epic ahahah

[viscid mica]

Sub adult stage will be abit of a zoomy boy but beyond that ah he’ll no