#balance-feedback-discussion

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keen plover
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Cerato will have more prey items in the future. 40km/h isn't that slow when you consider the rest of the roster.

It's also technically getting a buff / nerf if the bacteria scales. Less bites to puke smaller creatures, more bites to puke larger ones.

knotty venture
keen plover
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All good. I personally just want it to scale. Whether it happens or not though TI_HypsiShrug

dusky surge
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I have, it was extremely powerful, hence why I want it nerfed

knotty venture
dusky surge
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actually, cera's stats are (mostly) fine

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vomitlock is my main concern with it

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and how bacteria works in general

knotty venture
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most things can out run it or easily avoid it. the only things that cant out run it are pachy & stego. & pachy cant fight back for crap.
Most ppl arent alone as herbs so it really is a numbers game. if you are a lone player vs a cera pack your not gonna have a good time

obtuse ocean
obtuse ocean
knotty venture
dusky surge
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With current cera, a group of them can literally bully a rex. That's bad

knotty venture
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I am all for fair balancing do not get me wrong

keen plover
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Cera v Carno is dependent on a few things, so idk

knotty venture
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if carno has full food

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carno wins purely from face tanking

keen plover
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Yeah it wins in that scenario.

knotty venture
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a charge from a carno & 1 bite brings a cera to half

keen plover
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In a straight fight where both see each other, it can go either way

knotty venture
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cera only has 1.3k wieght carno is nearly 1.9k

obtuse ocean
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people tend to forget they come in herds/packs, like if rex cant beat the current stego we have. Cus i for sure dont wanne see 4 packs of rexs as normal

dusky surge
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5 ceras will easily bully rex

knotty venture
dusky surge
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If it can vomit, cera can bully it

knotty venture
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because we arent able to actually play it, we dont know how fast it can turn how fast it can bite. ect.

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I rather base suggestions on things ingame then in the works

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that we, as the public player base have access to

keen plover
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Well if it can vomit, 5 bites to puke one would be pretty bad. But yeah, we don't know much.

knotty venture
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I havent seen anyone trying to like die making something puke it takes so freaking long its not worth it. Baby cera can not out run adults so if they are spotted they are dead usually.

dusky surge
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I'm jut imagining the hysterical nature of 5 ceras stunlocking a hyper because it starves so fast lol

knotty venture
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camara in legacy had this

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you dont have a good arguement

keen plover
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I'm personally not fine with Cerato doing what it's doing. Rex or not. I want it puke a raptor in a single bite or 2. While needing like 10 vs a Stego. So even groups struggle. It's a bit odd that it goes from 1 cerato being a non threat to 4 locking you into hell as a stego

dusky surge
keen plover
dusky surge
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It absolutely should scale with weight

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And also maybe not stunlock things

keen plover
dusky surge
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100%

keen plover
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I don't care how skilled the stego is. They should be baiting attacks and landing good hits. Not running into it

knotty venture
# keen plover https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/778350416831709314/1124558049160474695/...

tbh I wish I could of seen more of how it lead up to that point. I am fairly sure that is a adult or damn close to adult stego. its also alone.

I would like to see stego players more forced to group. idk bout you but I played stego a decent ammount most stay clear of others because of the canni players pre 6.5 update. This also makes stego nests that much more appealing where as before you had trolls taking the eggs most of the time.

dusky surge
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forcing stegos to group makes it outright unviable

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also it isn't fun to die because "solo player"

knotty venture
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oh im sorry, you have to find 1 other player

dusky surge
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no other animal is required to group to survive

knotty venture
dusky surge
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no they aren't

knotty venture
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ight if your alone you are a easier meal for cannis

dusky surge
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That applies to all animals

knotty venture
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Dead ass, just over an hour ago I had 3 large sub crocs try my fg croc I was with an 80% croc & if I hadnt had that guy with me I would have died.

knotty venture
dusky surge
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?????

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How

knotty venture
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no other animal is required to group to survive

dusky surge
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No animal is required to group up to survive unless it's in the specific scenario that applies to all animals

knotty venture
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I mean if you afk grow sure you dont need a group

keen plover
dusky surge
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What does AFK have to do with anything

knotty venture
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if you are hyper passive & just eat ai

keen plover
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I do think that if it scales + has potentially a cooldown, that they can look at other effects for bacteria

knotty venture
keen plover
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That make it easier for ceras to kill things after puking, but allows the prey to fight back

dusky surge
knotty venture
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I havent seen to many 4 man cera packs wondering usually 3 or pairs

knotty venture
keen plover
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Galli can be played solo, but is more enjoyable / complete in a flock

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As an example

knotty venture
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Galli is also the fastest dino though

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& because it can graze it doesnt need to constantly have player interaction unlike carno

keen plover
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True. But it has weaknesses. Standing still and having barely any eyes to protect you can be risky when solo.

knotty venture
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some dinos just may never have a fair fight as the roster grows as well

keen plover
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Stego doesn't have the speed angle, so it should have the ability to tank a bit (outside of the head0

dusky surge
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Galli is pretty well designed all things considered. It's a better carno than carno, ironically, and represents everything I want out of carno, besides the diet

keen plover
dusky surge
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Galli is so good at small-game hunting, it makes me sad that carno doesn't just take a page out of its book

knotty venture
keen plover
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But yeah, I do wonder what the devs think of the matchup

keen plover
knotty venture
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Like ppl forget that Stego is from the jurassic, so is cerato. cerato lived in the same place & time.

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as did Allo & trovo something I forget its full name tbh

keen plover
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I get that. I just assumed going off the size and what its niche was, I didn't expect it to go after stegos

knotty venture
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I think the overly aggressive boar AI legit killing every other AI is also hurting the servers in a way

obtuse ocean
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Solo play should ofcourse be viable, ofcourse you will most likely be playing something big. To defend and kill, cus i for sure dont wanne see big packs/herds from apexes

keen plover
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I think them being aggressive is fine. But the deer being as slow as it is (also goats) is the bigger issue

knotty venture
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Ceraos cant move around the map looking for food because the AI even though boar isnt on its diet or anything but Deer cant be found.

keen plover
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Since boars run them down

knotty venture
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its not just deer & goat

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they go after bunnys, frogs, chickens anything

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because they cant roam they are focused on the spawn points & center of the map

keen plover
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Idk how it catches them (well speed but ah, they should be faster than it). it being a threat is fine imo. I want better AI heh

knotty venture
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well, the Deer/goat AI doesnt register the boar as a threat so they dont run till hit. & the other AI are just to small & die in one hit. but they also dont run because Boar isnt registering as a threat to avoid

keen plover
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I swear I saw a goat run from one lol

knotty venture
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lol bro got hit prob

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I saw a deer running too but it died of bleed & a smack a second after I came upon them

keen plover
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Teno solo is bad, but a few stat changes and it's fine

knotty venture
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I can dance around solo carnos as a tenonto. & deal with raptors all day. ceratos are a lil tougher because of the bile but you can kick them & stun them or tail slam them. but I dont like using the tail because your stuck in an animations for a second

keen plover
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Also the map makes it feel even worse. Not much going on in most places outside of center & NW

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And if you go there, well food galore. Ceras growing

knotty venture
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mhm but ppl roamed

dusky surge
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yea, spiro sucks

knotty venture
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they also moved food spawns

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Sumac in the sumac fields spawns more north now

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& in haven it doesnt spawn like at all same with mountain ash

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thats in swamp

old hull
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heres hoping the devs actually learn from spiro and dont make big obvious hotspots to lil timmies to hang around in constantly

keen plover
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Hopefully. As long as its moves, I'd be fine. Which migration seems to be

old hull
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there shouldnt be any obvious place to hotspot period , it ruins the game for anyone trying to actually hunt and do normal isle things

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roaming the map and finding someone else in the middle of nowhere was awesome , nowhere to run noone to whine CaNnI in the chat to when they got in trouble

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wouldnt even be that difficult to do , so many ways they can prevent those hotspots , everyone in 1 area? ai wont spawn anymore and neither will plants , or have the water just drain

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or just weaponize the megapack debuff and give everyone refusing to move gigantic debuffs like damage penalty food drain increased , maybe even drain their diet quicker

dusky surge
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or just add the migration system lol

old hull
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still no details on how said migration system will work so i dont trust it

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especially if its just for herbivores , cuz carnivores are the majority of the players most of the time and they will just ignore it

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still assuming the best scenario and the migration system is perfect , game should still heavily punish anyone that attempts to play like rats in mixpacks or megapacks

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and gib better tracking system , i miss being able to actually have long dragged out pursuits

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now its just you lost line of sight? might as well just give up cuz you aint finding the guy ever

dusky surge
obtuse ocean
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Im not sure if i like it, since i know where to find what prey im looking for etc

dusky surge
obtuse ocean
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I mean you will know where to find the prey you want for diet etc

dusky surge
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yea, you will know with migrations

obtuse ocean
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Yea, so i feel its gonna be like ok these dinos will fight eachother. Its not random

old hull
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if you play the game rn you wont see anyone actually hunting down herbivores unless they happen to run into some , they are not played enough for someone to actually follow their diet places

obtuse ocean
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Like walking around and have no clue what you gonna meet

dusky surge
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i assume AI will also move in tandem with the migration, although IDK for sure

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i much prefer migrations to a mixpack debuff anyways

old hull
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i sure hope so , if carnivores are not directly affected by migration then its a huuuuuge mistake

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cuz guess what people will just not play herbivores anymore out of them being inconvenient , why bother using teno and being forced to all over the map and you can pick cerato and sit in 1 lake the entire time

obtuse ocean
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Not sure if i like it or not

keen plover
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Just make the food go where the migration zones are.

Also idk, not make it so sustaining a lot of carnivores is possible in the first place

dusky surge
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it makes people move, that's good

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also yea, reduce AI, jesus, IDK why people think there's not enough

keen plover
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Like 1 adult cera outside of the migration zone might be fine. But a group should starve. Solo players can get by

dusky surge
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yep

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i mean, migrations make herbivores more engaging, which then makes more herbivores

keen plover
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Yeah. Hopefully it won't be as easy for carnis like Spiro has been lol

dusky surge
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based on my experience, Gateway shouldn't be super easy

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never starved as much as I did on Gateway as even raptors

keen plover
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Yeah it was torture as a Carno even when the servers were close to full. Without migrations you were on panic alert trying to find players you could hunt

dusky surge
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yea, which I feel is good. Yes, there were a few AI spawn zones, but even then

keen plover
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Groups couldn't be supported, yeah

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But players also camped like one lake that was anti - carno as well tbf. Massive Teno herds

dusky surge
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i love the people who think carno is going to excel in Highlands with its ambush hunter niche

keen plover
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Carno sucked pretty much everywhere except the plains. Swamp was horrible

old hull
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even moving AI spawns might not be enough , if you play rn you know as a carnivore its easier to just spawn near the hotspot and find a corpse instead of hunting AI , especially since the AI gives very little food and are scarse as hell

dusky surge
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There are like, dozens of unique spawns on Gateway, and each one is species-specific

keen plover
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Make freshspawns give like no food as well lol. idc If a stego spawns large, it shouldn't be giving much food until a certain threshold

dusky surge
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Carnos spawn in different areas from tenos, for instance

keen plover
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So adults can't get by on it, but juvis can

old hull
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yes but knowing this community , they will try real hard to have atleast 1 hotspot

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and i guarantee you there be atleast 1 spawn near it

keen plover
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Highlands will be the hotspot if anything

dusky surge
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Probably

keen plover
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There is a spawn near it.

dusky surge
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Even then, many animals likely won't engage with it

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Due to migration paths leading them in a different way

keen plover
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If the herbis are also made easier to grow / maintain then carnis, unlike rn, then yeah, playerbase could go over to that side of things

dusky surge
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I imagine Gateway will be a rude wakeup call to carnivores that relied on AI hunting and scavenging to survive before

keen plover
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My biggest hope lol

dusky surge
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I mean, you played on it too, right?

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It's also going to be a rude wakeup call to people who think ambush carno is viable lol

keen plover
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Yeah. Can't say much without migrations though

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Also don't know if the spawns will stay as is

obtuse ocean
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But what is the migration for? Moving around you can do with food, and hopefully you will need to move atleast if your in a group.

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I just dont hope the force us to go here and there as x dinos, i would like to see/fight others. And the unknown, where you have no clue what creatures you might stumble upon

dusky surge
obtuse ocean
dusky surge
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which they're doing?

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food moves with migrations

keen plover
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Well they can but *

obtuse ocean
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yea, but if no food around. I need to move

keen plover
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It only leads to the same issues. If players make the hotspots, then one will be better than the other

dusky surge
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which is migrations

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food extremely limited outside migration zone

obtuse ocean
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Yea, could work. But you could also limit food in general

dusky surge
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How?

obtuse ocean
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Less food, as a herb. You eat, then move around to find new food.

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You simply cant supply a herd, with the food thats in one area

dusky surge
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This all sounds like the idea of migrations lol

obtuse ocean
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Yea, but as far as i understand migration. Is that i need to go to x place, and its plenty of food

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And il thrive there

dusky surge
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Yea, exactly

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And if you don't migrate, you struggle

obtuse ocean
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Yea but lol, then i just thrive in one place. I dont move. I move around in a certain area, without much food problem

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Why not make people move all over the place

dusky surge
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Carnivores attack at the migration zone

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It means you actually can find food as a carnivore, while also allowing herbivores to choose their lifestyle

keen plover
obtuse ocean
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You dont choose, you are forced to stay in that area cus your x dino. And finding food as carni, goes the same you move around. All over the map

keen plover
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Also you're not forced to stay in the area. You can literally avoid it after filling up on diets. Get there early > fill up. Move around

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There will also be food outside the zones, but from what we know, limited.

obtuse ocean
dusky surge
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We have been told you are allowed to forgo migrations, but at the cost of more limited food outside of the zone

keen plover
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You'd do better in the zones than outside. It's still a survival game, so I expect it to not be so abundant.

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Hopefully can't support a lot of herbis. If you can then the system has failed like the current one

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Need some competition between them

dusky surge
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Herds have a right to be sustained. Having food be so limited even a solo herbivore struggles isn't fun

keen plover
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They do. But not a lot of them. Like multiple herds

dusky surge
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This allows players to pick between stealthier solo play or migrating herd play

keen plover
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Like if a zone can support 20 adult stegos then something is wrong

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Diet wise of course. Not like Stegos can starve

golden coral
# knotty venture no other animal is required to group to survive

No animal should require a group to survive. You do not balance like that. Also cerato is not fine, it is overtuned, the vomit lock needs to go, and stego should not be afraid of a cerato pack, it's an apex or close to it. Also stego is not a herd animal, nor should it ever be, so that makes that even more silly. If you truly think cerato is fine, much less think the vomit lock is fine, you are just completely wrong. Cera is one of the best playables right now, meanwhile, we got carno, teno, pachy that have more or less issues.

obtuse ocean
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Yea, good points. I just feel this is a luxery, if i can stay in on area and live the good life with food. And you sorta split the map into catergories. These dinos in this area, and on the north we throw in these dinos to stay and they never see eachother

dusky surge
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You know how carnivores still have a horrid time nesting? Yea, don't give that to herbis

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It also means it allows animals like oviraptor to actually figure out where eggs are

obtuse ocean
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Nesting will make it even worse, i dont care about nesting. I care about making the map alive, people running around all over the place. Everything can meet whatever. Surviving, god i hate nesting if its gonna be we stay in this spot and wait until we are strong enough to fight

dusky surge
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Nesting deserves to exist, animals deserve to relax and stop moving, downtime deserves to happen

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Making a game constant work all the time

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Not fun

sick lion
obtuse ocean
dusky surge
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That's literally a benefit to nesting lol

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You get food, water and family

obtuse ocean
dusky surge
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Yea, that comes later

obtuse ocean
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So we can just get free growths then lol, so i dont waste my time

dusky surge
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The hell do you expect a hatchling to do?

golden coral
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What did I actally read in that cera discussion. Are people seriously thinking cerato is fine when it's so clearly overtuned? Is the vomit lock now fine ,despite being worse than the pachy stun lock? Ceratos should not be hunting stegos, not even solo ones really. And the whole stegos herding is just, in what world does that make sense, they're even worse at it than tenos are.

As it stands right now, cerato could vomit lock a rex and trike just as easily, is that really intended? Vomit lock needs to go, and cera could do with some stam/speed nerf as well. And the body buff might need to be somewhat less, being able to tank a headshot from a stego due to a body is a little overtuned as well. Also the whole "use the terrain" is still a dumb argument, especially when it comes to countering a mechanic.

obtuse ocean
dusky surge
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Okay, but you will HAVE to move eventually, a hatchling can't be fed by its parents forever, migrations will continue

polar vine
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its not always missed pounce= death with the shitbox mate, do you really think that utahs should be able to miss the pounce and run without any punishment?

obtuse ocean
dusky surge
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Yes, I never once said it should be easy or free growth

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It's not easy or free growth atm

obtuse ocean
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i love i discuss all this while i afk grow my stego lol

dusky surge
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See? You can grow easy without being nested

obtuse ocean
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Yea, i honestly hate i can do it

dusky surge
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Migrations will help solve that, hence why I like them

obtuse ocean
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Yea i just hope i dont thrive in the zone, like i sniff and see 10 bushes with diets

dusky surge
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i mean, let's look at it this way. Migration zones heavily reduce the area you'd have to search to find AFKing animals

obtuse ocean
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Cant i just afk in the zone im in ? Its food all over the place neways

dusky surge
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yea, and then it will move

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and then you starve and are left behind

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leaving you vulnerable to predators as you move without the rest of the migrations

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and more than likely, scavengers will show up later after everyone else migrates, which means you'll get spotted by packs of hungry animals feeding on scraps

keen plover
obtuse ocean
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Yea, gonna be funny to see how they make it. Hopefully it will be good

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And lets hope it helps on mixpacking etc

cosmic pelican
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@rocky wing Stego already takes 2x damage on headshots, no other playable has this high of a multiplier.

rocky wing
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more

thin mantle
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Nah

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Stego is already very easily killable

rocky wing
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???????

cosmic pelican
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Anything more and its fodder

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Omnis, troodons, deinos and ceras can kill it

thin mantle
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Like if you can’t kill a stego with 3+ Ceras or 2+ omnis you’re bad at the game

cosmic pelican
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Also other stegos

dusky surge
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or 2 deinos

rocky wing
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cant be real opinions

dusky surge
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or even 4 troodons

thin mantle
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Or even just 2 Troodon’s with a lot of time

dusky surge
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true

cosmic pelican
thin mantle
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Sucks at practically everything its meant for

rocky wing
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didnt know this was the stego mains channel

dusky surge
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it's strong in the sense that it's in an ecosystem that works for it

disrupt that perfect ecosystem, and it's DEAD

cosmic pelican
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It is a watered down version of what its meant to be🤷‍♂️

dusky surge
cosmic pelican
dusky surge
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it's an insufferably slow trodge to play

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but stego is by no means mega ultra super strong, at least in this roster

rocky wing
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i mean i just got told 2 omnis SHOULD kill a stego idk how serious im supposed to take these "arguments" lol

dusky surge
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2 omnis can kill a stego, that's objectively true

thin mantle
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It’s a burger rn

cosmic pelican
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But yes, they can

dusky surge
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Why would you ever grow a stego when you can grow a deino

cosmic pelican
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Even troodons can

rocky wing
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"Like if you can’t kill a stego with 3+ Ceras or 2+ omnis you’re bad at the game"

thin mantle
cosmic pelican
dusky surge
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Easier to grow, easier to keep alive, easier to kill things, easier to do everything

rocky wing
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that doesnt sound like a can that sounds like a should

thin mantle
cosmic pelican
dusky surge
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stego does do the noble job of acting as a skill-check population control for peabrain deinos

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and that's it

thin mantle
dusky surge
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that's what it's good at

thin mantle
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The only thing keeping it from the content vault

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Is deino

dusky surge
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lol, deinos existence necessitates stego

rocky wing
thin mantle
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The strategy is bordering on braindead easy

cosmic pelican
dusky surge
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as long as they bait out attacks, they can do it

thin mantle
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People only think it’s hard because they expect stegos to be difficult and thus approach them incorrectly

rocky wing
dusky surge
thin mantle
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It’s just especially easy against a stego

dusky surge
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stego has ridiculously long and choreographed animations

thin mantle
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Because their attack endlag allows for a lot of openings

rocky wing
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no its not they only have to hit you once or twice

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you have to repeatedly outplay them for 30 minutes

thin mantle
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Which they’ll never do

dusky surge
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with agility and speed, stego ain't hitting you

cosmic pelican
thin mantle
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Because if you can’t see/dodge/bait a stego swing, you’re bad at the game

rocky wing
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i mean thats a crazy skill issue to act like the odds arent overwhelmingly in the stegos favor in any fight at all is just delusion

thin mantle
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It’s the most telegraphed move in the roster

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And if you’re playing Troodon the stego might not even be able to see you

rocky wing
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you would be right if it took 3 mins to kill a stego and not 30

dusky surge
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The mere FACT that the best way to survive an omni attack as stego, is not bucking, fighting back or anything, but rather hiding next to an environmental hazard is indicative of how horrid stego actually is

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You have to literally cower against omnis if you hope to succeed

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Caught out in the open, you're screwed

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This is meant to be a plains animal

thin mantle
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Stegos only genuine counterplay for its predators is to find a cliff and stand next to it

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That’s hilarious

cosmic pelican
thin mantle
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Or rather should

dusky surge
thin mantle
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Since they don’t actually attack it’s flanks currently

rocky wing
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its can swing at its front too lmao

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and you die in 1 hit from that as well

dusky surge
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Very, very slowly

thin mantle
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They attack it’s face, then dismount towards its shoulders

cosmic pelican
dusky surge
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Absurdly slowly

thin mantle
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So facial pouncing/dismounting is literally free damage

rocky wing
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it definitely can hit things in front of it

dusky surge
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If said things are dumb, sure

thin mantle
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You’re objectively wrong

rocky wing
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im demonstrably correct

thin mantle
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It’s hitbox doesn’t extend that far

dusky surge
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Literally the SLOWEST attack in the game lol

thin mantle
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And yes it’s also slow

rocky wing
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doesnt matter

cosmic pelican
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Also,just press rmb...

rocky wing
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only has to hit once

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this is like saying "but it takes so long to reload a sniper rifle" in an fps lol

cosmic pelican
thin mantle
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How does an attacks damage value even matter when if you have the skill floor of the animal you’re playing down…you’ll never get hit by

dusky surge
thin mantle
rocky wing
dusky surge
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It's like a Dark Souls boss with one attack. That attack will really mess you up, but if you know how to dodge, it becomes pathetically easy to read and react to

thin mantle
rocky wing
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yea idk how i feel about dark souls bosses in a survival game lmao

cosmic pelican
thin mantle
#

Also a stegos tail regardless of size is an absurdly powerful weapon

thin mantle
dusky surge
rocky wing
thin mantle
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They are able to tho

dusky surge
#

Because it can't mix up, it can't move fast, it can't do anything

rocky wing
cosmic pelican
thin mantle
thin mantle
rocky wing
thin mantle
#

By that logic stego should literally onetap every animal in the roster

cosmic pelican
thin mantle
#

Including deino

rocky wing
#

it already does lmao

dusky surge
thin mantle
#

Hehe…..wut

rocky wing
#

inb4 "nuh uh it takes 2-3 hits which is a huuuuuuge difference"

thin mantle
#

It takes like….5-6

cosmic pelican
thin mantle
#

Bare minimum 5

dusky surge
#

it takes, at least, 5 with ALL heasdshots

thin mantle
#

Which is literally never happening

dusky surge
#

With body shots, 7

cosmic pelican
#

Ah yes, its a 1 shotTI_Troll

rocky wing
#

"heh yes we defeated his argument by using yet another dino that has no chance vs stego as an example"

cosmic pelican
#

With both alive

rocky wing
#

an afk stego maybe

cosmic pelican
#

Did it more than enough times to debunk your statement

dusky surge
#

or if the deinos are actually competent (a rare trait for deino players)

#

its honestly fun to kill stegos at this point, because it's so easy if you just... pay attention

rocky wing
#

ive done it too. doesnt mean it SHOULD happen. again... odds are overwhelmingly in stegos favor. not even close

cosmic pelican
#

Deino can just choose to never interact with stego as well

rocky wing
#

stego can do the same

thin mantle
#

No

cosmic pelican
#

It cant

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Stego MUST drink

dusky surge
#

It has to drink

thin mantle
#

Everything must drink

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Nothing can refuse engagements with deino

dusky surge
#

There exists no animal that can avoid deino forever

thin mantle
#

It’s one of deinos biggest balancing issues

dusky surge
#

Unless shallow water decides to exist again with Gateway

thin mantle
#

Everything needs to deal with it

rocky wing
#

look at the scenarios you guys have to create in order to make it seem possible to kill a stego

thin mantle
#

2 omnis existing, 2 cerato’s existing, 2 deinos existing

rocky wing
#

"if youre already starving and have no water and are at half health and step on a grenade then 7 deinos and the terminator should win easily"

thin mantle
#

Which nobody has ever even remotely said

rocky wing
#

you did

cosmic pelican
thin mantle
cosmic pelican
#

Rex existingTI_Troll

rocky wing
#

Everything must drink
Nothing can refuse engagements with deino

thin mantle
#

Yes

#

And?

rocky wing
#

so go drink somewhere else?

cosmic pelican
#

I dont see the grenades in that

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Deino can follow

thin mantle
#

Deino can exist in every water source in the map bar 2

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The tiny puddle on the southwest beach

rocky wing
#

so we are acting like there is just an unstoppable swarm of deinos at every single place in the map at all times

thin mantle
#

And the pond at the southwest corner of the island

rocky wing
#

thats the grenade lmfao

cosmic pelican
rocky wing
#

this scenario has literally never happened btw

thin mantle
rocky wing
#

nobody has ever lost a full grown stego because they just couldnt find a place to drink

thin mantle
#

Which is funny since that literally does happen

rocky wing
#

and you all know it lmao

thin mantle
#

If there were 2 deinos there

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Then yes, it’s happened

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I’ve literally watched it happen personally

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Several times

rocky wing
#

crazy how theres just 2 deinos in every single spot on the map

meager oriole
#

What's happening right now Fluff?

rocky wing
#

no grenades tho right

meager oriole
#

What is the discussion

cosmic pelican
#

"Stego op,pls nerf"

thin mantle
thin mantle
meager oriole
thin mantle
#

Stego is immune to death

cosmic pelican
#

Yep

meager oriole
#

Because we keep proving Stego is not unkillable

rocky wing
#

"stego sucks buff stego worst dino"

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no you dont lmao

cosmic pelican
#

Also deino is still insanely overpopulated

meager oriole
thin mantle
#

It’s not as if stego is so mechanically shallow that 2 pouncers of average skill level can dispatch it

rocky wing
#

where are the stego bodies? how do i always end up on sevrers where you stego slayers dont exist?

meager oriole
#

If you can't kill a Stego you're either solo or bad at the game

thin mantle
rocky wing
#

every other dino bodies everywhere but never stegos where are u guys?

dusky surge
#

stego does need a buff, ironically, but save it for when animals better designed to handle it are in

like rex, in U7 (or U7.5)

cosmic pelican
rocky wing
#

i mean this is just stego main channel this is pure delusion lmao

thin mantle
meager oriole
#

I hope you love Triceratops

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You're going to LOVE Triceratops if you think Stego is unkillable right now

dusky surge
#

i still am going to remind you i despise playing stego lol

thin mantle
#

Trike is a whole different tier of OP

dusky surge
#

trike gonna be cool tho

thin mantle
#

well

cosmic pelican
#

RexTI_Troll

thin mantle
#

I shouldn’t say that, it’s just going to be stronger

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Not op….ideally

cosmic pelican
#

Man this community will love rex

rocky wing
#

i just wish u guys played on any server im on because the only 5 people who are the ultimate stego slayers are right here in this chat

thin mantle
cosmic pelican
thin mantle
#

It’s a stego with higher Hp that’s faster that not only steels your bodies but eats them

#

Basically a Cerato at 8 times the size

cosmic pelican
#

But its a carnivore

rocky wing
#

ive never watched 2 omnis or 2 ceras or 2 anything kill stegos almost ever but u guys are doing it 10x a day

thin mantle
dusky surge
meager oriole
#

Trike and Stego will still be hated because they'll actually require thinking to kill nowadays

thin mantle
meager oriole
#

Whereas in Legacy people could just walk up to them as kill them as Rex

thin mantle
#

I also don’t consistently hunt stegos cuz they aren’t that common

meager oriole
#

Rex winning in a facetank against Trike is still super cursed

thin mantle
#

Ewwww

rocky wing
dusky surge
rocky wing
#

but never adult stego bodies

meager oriole
#

EXACTLY SAME WITH STEGO

thin mantle
meager oriole
#

Stego is killable if you're actually good at the game

thin mantle
#

You never see a dead hypsi’s body….

cosmic pelican
rocky wing
#

yes i do lmfao

dusky surge
#

Stego is rather uncommon

meager oriole
#

You can't just kill a Stego willy nilly and that makes it overpowered to the community for some reason

thin mantle
#

I haven’t even SEEN a hypsi in weeks

cosmic pelican
#

Same

#

Only heard it once since the update lol

rocky wing
#

yea me either thats because ppl are pmuch only playing new dinos rn

dusky surge
#

If stego was as OP as people say, EVERYONE would play it

rocky wing
#

everyone does play it lol

meager oriole
#

Ehhhh Stego is too boring for most players

dusky surge
#

But in no update has the game ever been mostly stegos

dusky surge
thin mantle
#

Alright I need sleep, have fun everyone!

cosmic pelican
#

Also growing one is torture

cosmic pelican
meager oriole
#

When Stego was new it was also one of the worst dinosaurs in the game

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It was almost as bad as Update 1 Tenonto

dusky surge
meager oriole
#

It died to everything that had a brain

obtuse ocean
#

Well we just got in confirmed, stego will be moving to apex. And more tolls

#

tools

cosmic pelican
#

Where?

dusky surge
obtuse ocean
#

general chat

cosmic pelican
#

:0

#

This is a sad day for deino mains😔

plucky aspen
dusky surge
#

WAIT

#

THEY'RE MOVING STEGO BUT NOT DEINO

plucky aspen
#

correct

dusky surge
#

OH DEAR GOD WE'RE DOOMED

cosmic pelican
#

Nononono

obtuse ocean
#

Deino is not apex lol

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It got grab, thats it. Nothing against bigger guys

plucky aspen
#

unless they change something, deinos will be uncontested lol

dusky surge
#

Exactly

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This thing is going to be the land apex

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Nothing can contest it

obtuse ocean
#

Well who knows, dibble and kentro might be problem for it

#

on land

dusky surge
#

Let's not kid ourselves

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Both animals are smaller than carno

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They ain't doing nothing

obtuse ocean
#

But seriusly what on earth is a land croc gonna do ? if he catches you with that measly speed it has now, god u deserve it

plucky aspen
#

oof. i think neither of them will be, because if they make them over 4T you'er gonna get a similar issue to stego, and if they are just 4.1T they get 4 shot by a deino and they probably wont be able to fight it

dusky surge
#

U3 deino was an example of this

obtuse ocean
dusky surge
#

You could NEVER have a corpse

meager oriole
#

Deino did get its speed nerfed iirc

dusky surge
#

Deino could, and would, steal it

plucky aspen
dusky surge
#

Deino is like cera, except less counterable

rocky wing
#

wait whats happening to stego? i was busy dying in a hole significantly smaller than my body

obtuse ocean
#

Then take the corpse with you lol. You gonna see that thing a mile away.

plucky aspen
#

If you can, a pack of raptors that kill a carno will just lose the body. Same with troos taht kill just about anything

obtuse ocean
meager oriole
#

Just she also confirmed my concern, thank god Stego is also moving to Unofficials

dusky surge
#

Glad about the buffs, not so glad Deino is staying as the 8 ton God

plucky aspen
meager oriole
#

I was concerned that full power Stego would actually be unkillable lol

meager oriole
rocky wing
#

oh stego getting buffed. good very needed stegos suck 🙂

obtuse ocean
meager oriole
#

It's easier to herd up on unofficials

meager oriole
rocky wing
#

deino sucks just bait its slow attacks 2 baby troodons could easily kill it

plucky aspen
#

i play mostly stego, i do find it interesting that it's being moved. it has the same argument that ronninjo has for deino. it cant catch anything (especially with its tail swing nerf) so only things that fight it are either blind or looking for the fight. obviously though, i cant speak on the updates it may recieve

meager oriole
#

I also still mostly play Stego

rocky wing
#

shocker

meager oriole
obtuse ocean
rocky wing
#

cant believe the ppl defending stegos are stego mains who wouldve thought

plucky aspen
meager oriole
#

Fluff isn't a Stego main

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Stello isn't a Stego main either afaik

rocky wing
#

lmao ofc you all know each other

dusky surge
cosmic pelican
#

And im an omni main :p

plucky aspen
meager oriole
#

wavepoole and potato also arent stego mains

obtuse ocean
#

I like playing stego cus its chill, and i dont need to pack up listing to 10yrs writing lets kill something every 10 seconds

meager oriole
#

If we get 10 ton Rex I want the 11 ton Trike

rocky wing
#

ofc all the people who know each other have the same opinions

meager oriole
#

Full size Rex? then bring on full size Trike

rocky wing
#

makes it seem like yours is the popular one huh lol

meager oriole
#

Stego is killable

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Without its buffs it would just die and become unviable to Rex rn

rocky wing
#

yea well you have your 6 friends here to agree with u so i guess u win huh?

obtuse ocean
#

I wouldt see rex as a problem with the current stego, i would litterly be afraid of every other mid tiers coming.

meager oriole
#

I would

rocky wing
#

oh no something might have a chance vs stego..the horror

meager oriole
#

Rex would just tank tail hits and then like three shot Stego

obtuse ocean
dusky surge
plucky aspen
meager oriole
#

Kissen said we don't know yet

golden coral
#

@rocky wingStego already have sufficient damage on head, it does not need more. It is far from being as powerful as people think it is, especially compared with some of the other playables overall.

rocky wing
#

nobody has ever had to bring up an anecdote like "well actually i totally killed a teno as a carno this 1 time"

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because thats not unusual. you guys have to bring up your 1 time at band camp anecdotes about stego because killing 1 is unusual

obtuse ocean
plucky aspen
#

and tenos also can handle stegs aswell.. asmuch as i disagree with them specifically doing so

meager oriole
#

I've killed Stego as Tenonto in this update

cosmic pelican
#

Tailslam range is nuts against stegos

meager oriole
#

It was a 4v1 and we only lost one Tenonto because of Tenontos bad locational still

cosmic pelican
#

And once the stego runs out of stam, its a punching bag

rocky wing
#

how come theres all these stories but i never actually see it? i dont need to hear "Stories" of carnos killing tenos. i see it in game daily. where is all the stego bodies? why do i only hear stories on discord of stegos losing fights?

obtuse ocean
rocky wing
#

from 5 friends agreeing with each other

meager oriole
cosmic pelican
meager oriole
#

Most of my fights are also with randoms

golden coral
cosmic pelican
meager oriole
rocky wing
#

yet i see dead deinos all the time. either killed by other deinos or by stegos. yet i never see dead stegos

meager oriole
#

Stegos kit is counterable by the fact its slow and its attacks are slow

plucky aspen
cosmic pelican
meager oriole
#

Deino is not counterable at all

#

How does Deino die to Stego

golden coral
plucky aspen
meager oriole
#

EXACTLY

#

I was trying to fight 2 Stegos with a large Cerato pack the other day, and every single one of them besides me was a wuss because they had no confidence in vomit locking lol

rocky wing
meager oriole
#

We still killed them both despite the Ceratos being overly cautious

obtuse ocean
meager oriole
#

I killed my Cerato in that fight though because I wanted to go Beipi

rocky wing
#

actualy deinos suck and are really slow u guys just dont know how to fight them thats why you think theyre op 🙂

plucky aspen
# meager oriole Deino is not counterable at all

agreed. For me its a boring gameplay to sit still for hours on end and wait for your next meal, but to each their own. it certainly is, frustrating? at times when you have to rely 90% on luck to avoid a deinos attacks

rocky wing
#

im gonna go get my 5 friends to come agree with me too so it looks like im winning

meager oriole
#

Deino is unkillable by Stego, wanna know how? Press ctrl

#

Basically the press space bar for Ptera

#

It literally is just that, dying to Stego as Deino is like dying to Stego as Ptera

#

You have the ability to just... ignore them

#

and if you like camping hot spots you'd die to canni Deinos anyway

rocky wing
#

no wonder you think deino is overpowered

#

stego is unkillable by stego. wanna know how? walk away..

meager oriole
#

Because it has a button that can turn it invisible and can de facto one shot most playables in the game?

golden coral
# rocky wing from 5 friends agreeing with each other

Has it occured to you that A, accusing someone of being a main is not an argument, at all. It only shows that you lack argument and B, we agree with each other because we see the logic and reason behind the arguments and think it makes sense, friends or not.

rocky wing
#

most? which playable can deino not 1 shot? please explain 🙂

meager oriole
#

Deino and Stego

rocky wing
#

oh.. stego! shocker again!

golden coral
# obtuse ocean Deino is bad, it got grab. Thats it lol

Deino isn't bad, it's amazing. It's the overall most op playable. And I do wonder how it'll go with only it on officials and nothing else, but maybe with water clarity, more water sources deinos cant be in, and proper difficulty in growing and sustaining one, it won't be as bad as we fear.

meager oriole
#

What, is Stego the only thing you see? It is definitely not that common

golden coral
rocky wing
plucky aspen
golden coral
#

@plucky aspenI believe the reason they all move to unofficials is because they can take their power everywhere, which deino can not, hence it gets to stay on officials.

#

Or so Kissen put it at least.

rocky wing
#

the vast majority of the isle players think stego is overpowered. you are delusional. and so you form a delusional friend group so you can seem like you have ppl who agree with u

golden coral
#

And I'm glad to see another stego main! We should play together some time! I also hope that we get kentro sooner than later, so we can have something close to it to enjoy on officials as well!

meager oriole
#

Wow, Beamin, it's almost like the vast majority of Isle players also think Herbivores should just be prey items and weaker than Carnivores on average still

plucky aspen
meager oriole
#

It's why I love saying If you think Stego is hard to kill now, you will hate Triceratops

rocky wing
golden coral
plucky aspen
golden coral
#

We can look at ptera, the single most op playable for pure survival

rocky wing
golden coral
#

Most people don't take that into account, despite it being true

#

Same with stego, people only see big damage and think that's all that matters

meager oriole
rocky wing
#

they dont take it into account because it doesnt matter. pteras arent oppressive. pteras dont camp corpses

golden coral
#

Failing to understand there's a whole playable and everything in its kit vs others to take into account to decide if something is balanced or not

golden coral
rocky wing
rocky wing
meager oriole
#

I'm angry at Deino for being uncounterable inherently?

golden coral
#

You're only looking at "stego camp corpse" and see that as the only thing to care about. Not that ceras don't do that better these days anyway.

rocky wing
#

deino sucks needs a buff very slow just bait out its slow attack and you win

golden coral
rocky wing
plucky aspen
#

the biggest thing to think about when looking at a dinos balance isnt just health and damage, sure thats one thing, but keeping mind it's speed and general survivability is another huge way to balance dinos. i do think that juvis arent currently balanced well at all, because they are mostly incapable of either outrunning a predator or even hiding fom it (although the latter may be because of the lack of foliage)

meager oriole
#

What about a Deino that plays the way it's supposed to be and not try killing everything/being a land Rex?

rocky wing
golden coral
# rocky wing explains why youd be angry at deino

Becuse A, it has a safety biome. B, it has extra bleed resist. C, it can attack from entirely hidden spots without any chance of counter. D, it is also the largest, most powerful playable, with more killing potential than stego with it's 4T lunge attack. E, it's far too easy to grow. F, it can sustain mega groups just fine, for some reason.

meager oriole
#

Deino can't 1v1 Stego anymore

rocky wing
golden coral
meager oriole
#

Not in 6.5

golden coral
#

You're purely looking at fighting capability, which again, is ignoring everything else

rocky wing
plucky aspen
meager oriole
golden coral
meager oriole
#

Deino makes water luck based and is only at most semi-avoidable

rocky wing
golden coral
golden coral
rocky wing
#

already did. you cant. leave

golden coral
rocky wing
#

you came and added in that pteras are the most op thing in the game so now ur done lmao

meager oriole
#

We're providing arguments, you just keep going "LOL look at the Stego mains"

rocky wing
#

theres only so much delusion i will humor

plucky aspen
meager oriole
#

Pteranodon is the most overpowered thing in the game? Tell me now, what kills you in the air?

golden coral
meager oriole
#

Ptera is the most viable playable in the game by the fact it presses space bar and becomes untouchable

rocky wing
#

what do you kill in the air?

golden coral
plucky aspen
golden coral
rocky wing
plucky aspen
golden coral
golden coral
rocky wing
#

bro is gonna be like "make an argument" but keeps spamming "look in the mirror" lmao cornball stop typing

plucky aspen
golden coral
plucky aspen
meager oriole
#

You're not making any arguments though? You just keep going "LOL you're dumb" or "LOL of course you're a Stego main"

golden coral
#

You accuse me of being a main, as if that's an argument when it's not. You ignore the fact that multiple people tell you how to fight stegos. You ignore the fact that deinos are far superior to stegos overall. You ignore the fact that pteras are survival masters.

#

You just go "stego unkillable" despite the fact that this is not the case. Despite the fact that deino is far more unkillable.

rocky wing
#

not reading any of that paragraphj

#

actually just blocking him

golden coral
#

Despite the fact that overall, stego is not half as powerful, or dangerous, as people think. As we can see, with how few omnis, ceras, and especially troodons, it takes to kill one. Now compare that with them killing a deino.

dusky surge
#

winner

golden coral
meager oriole
#

I mean I was going to tell Eden to just stop cause this is going nowhere anyway

golden coral
rocky wing
#

i can take everybody else here serious even if they are obviously wrong except that erik guy

dusky surge
golden coral
dusky surge
#

it's VERY funny

golden coral
meager oriole
#

We all still agree on the same thing? Stegos kit is not overpowered but Deinos is

dusky surge
golden coral
#

Not exactly sure how it works for stego since it's "alt" is what it is

rocky wing
#

deino sucks ur just bad

plucky aspen
dusky surge
#

cant wait to see rex-ready stego tbh

rocky wing
#

no. there are right and wrong opinons

#

they are objectively wrong

golden coral
plucky aspen
golden coral
plucky aspen
rocky wing
#

i keep seeing "1 blocked message" pop up lmao hes going nuts

golden coral
meager oriole
rocky wing
#

i wasnt talking to you goofball lmao

dusky surge
golden coral
#

That's just a fact. Stegos can be killed by omnis, troodons, and the others. They can be vomit locked by ceratos.

#

Deino on the other hand, can not be vomit locked due to no puking, and has massive bleed resist + more health than stego, if we compare those matchups.

cosmic pelican
rocky wing
#

ur getting close to eden levels of stupid carthalo relax

golden coral
dusky surge
#

god damn this guy is mad

plucky aspen
dusky surge
#

i love how saying "stego isn't OP" is enough to send some people into hysterics

golden coral
rocky wing
meager oriole
rocky wing
#

and all of you know each other and are stego mains

meager oriole
#

It goes back to how people still think Carnivores should be stronger than Herbivores

golden coral
dusky surge
meager oriole
#

I want Trike to be added already just to put more salt in

golden coral
#

Though I know some do want more of a scavenger, less hunter cera

rocky wing
#

i cant wait for trex to facetank stegos

cosmic pelican
meager oriole
#

They're gonna love Diablo and Trike

dusky surge
meager oriole
#

They're gonna love Kentro

rocky wing
#

ur gonna love giga

cosmic pelican
meager oriole
#

^

golden coral
#

Also not surprised pachies in a group is still pretty good, they don't need the stunlock as much the more of them there are obviously. But solo pachy is a bit rough, with both the alt change and the somewhat clunky ram compared to omni pounce.

cosmic pelican
golden coral
#

Acro better anyway! :p

rocky wing
golden coral
#

Just a cooler looking giga :p

bright oasis
#

ACRO!!!

plucky aspen
rocky wing
#

ofc the stego mains fav apex is giga

#

u ppl are just cornballs lmao

cosmic pelican
golden coral
stark knoll
#

@rocky wing Quit insulting people or drop the conversation

golden coral
#

Does that mean trike mains favourite is rex?

rocky wing
#

oh no a discord admin! hide your fedoras!!!

cosmic pelican
golden coral
#

Though I'd compare stego with acro more, but I could be underestimating stego or overestimating acro there

meager oriole
rocky wing
#

i better be nice before he bans me on reddit 😦

cosmic pelican
#

😦

golden coral
#

They're not. He just accuses everyone who disagrees with him of being stego mains. And apparently he is now outright trolling :p

cosmic pelican
#

Man I love this gif

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plucky aspen
#

welp. I was being lenient with them because i wasnt sure if i would biased as i was apart of the conversation. but i guess lunary handled it.

dusky surge
#

This guy's really going out with a bang

golden coral
golden coral
cosmic pelican
#

Cant wait for the reddit post

plucky aspen
#

yeah i woulda done something if the insulting went back to where it was but. fair enough anways. back on the stego deino cera convo

golden coral
#

It does make me wonder why vomit lock got in, when no one liked pachy stun lock.

cosmic pelican
#

"Got banned by salty admins that main stego"

plucky aspen
dusky surge
golden coral
#

I am thrilled that stego is confirmed to get an upgrade. And I know Carth, you've said it all the time, but I worry too much.

meager oriole
#

I still wonder if Stego should stagger Rex, specifically to avoid Rex just tanking 1-2 hits and then just killing Stego

plucky aspen
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which i mean fair enough, theres so much stuff to have to do

golden coral
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And I'm fine with it being on unofficials, at least if we get kentro on officials. Kentro is a good critter too!

meager oriole
dusky surge
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I'm genuinely surprised it got in

golden coral
plucky aspen
meager oriole
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Stego isn't as popular as Trike and will probably naturally die out, as much as it hurts for me to say

dusky surge
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It was one of the most talked about problems with balance out of ANYTHING

plucky aspen
meager oriole
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Like in several years if we do get tons of playables per update now, I can see Stegos being as rare as say current Dryos on some servers if not more rare

golden coral
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Cerato vomit lock just needs to go, stego issue or not. It can happen to rex and trike as well, since they can't run away either.

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I'm fine with stegos being rare, they should only come in pairs at most anyway.

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As long as deinos are equally, properly rare, it should be fine

meager oriole
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I will probably main Trike again, mostly out of need

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I can see LOTS more people playing Trikes

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If Stego somehow gets a sufficient playerbase, I might main both like how I used to in legacy

golden coral
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Trike does make more sense for being social, easier to fight with a friend and all that

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Also because everyone will want to do the whole circle with babies in the middle to defend vs rex probably

meager oriole
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Trike and Stego are probably both social

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Herbivores in general besides maybe like Anky should be social as that's honestly part of why I love playing Herbi

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That's just my opinion, though

golden coral
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True, but you have to admit, stego kit doesn't make it a good herdmate xD

meager oriole
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It really doesn't yeah lol

golden coral
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So I can see trikes being more popular there, also more popular because well, aggro playstyle

meager oriole
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Trike has more options on how it wants to play

golden coral
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You get to see the predator and go "come on then, let's do this"

meager oriole
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Stego does not

golden coral
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And just charge at them

meager oriole
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Trike can play purely defensive if it wants to, aggro if it wants to, herd up if it wants to, solo if it wants to

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Trike definitely will be better survivability wise than Stego lol

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It does these things Stego could sort of do now but better

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with it being sort of being rewarded for playing both

golden coral
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Overall, I imagine both should struggle to survive, proper challenge and all that. But fighting wise, there are room for them to be different, flank vs antiflank and all that.

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So sure, trike has a bit more options in general playstyle, but aside from that, they can both be given their own options

meager oriole
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Oh yeah when it comes to surviving again I still think Trike will fair better

golden coral
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Possibly, but that could be adjusted with diets, and all kinds of things

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And if we ever were to get a temperature system, well, stego plates :p

meager oriole
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So I will probably just main Trike again mostly out of necessity, but if Stego DOES get an active enough playerbase... I will main both Stego and Trike again like I did in legacy

golden coral
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Nothing wrong with being a trike, much as I mained stego, occassionally it was fun to go trike just to be angry at the world xD

obtuse ocean
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Trike will be better my guess to! But looks like those horns needs to be maintainted,what the devs said. But im guessing you dont mess with trikes if those are maintained

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Ofcourse thats gonna be a struggle im guessing

dusky surge
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I'm interested to see how Diablo turns out so I can get an idea of Trike

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I am also glad they're actually buffing Stego to Rex brawling levels

meager oriole
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Stego needs to

dusky surge
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I'm very interested in seeing unofficials with these new rex-bruisers

golden coral
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I'm more curious to see what might happen to teno when we get diablo

dusky surge
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Oooh, yea, teno needs the love

meager oriole
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I dislike the idea of Tenonto getting nerfed when Diablo is in

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Tenonto will just be a smaller less generalistic Maia

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Tenontos design rn is fine

golden coral
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Semiaquatic teno!

meager oriole
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Shoo 🗞️

obtuse ocean
golden coral
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What do you mean no?! Like cera, let it relate a bit more around water.

dusky surge
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i like semi aquatic teno :(

golden coral
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I think it'd be fun honestly

meager oriole
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Too much swamp donkey Tenonto discussion has made me despise it

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I would like Tenonto to remain the way it is

dusky surge
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our semi-aquatic herbivore roster consists of:
Minmi

That's it

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That's the only semi-aquatic herbivore in the entire game

golden coral
dusky surge
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Wader teno, swimmer teno, it does both well

meager oriole
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Semi-aquatic design basically means to make it dependent on water pretty much so it's not oversaturated

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Tenonto now is fine

golden coral
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Could just make it a bit more like cerato maybe in that aspect

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Not dependent on water, just uses it more or less

dusky surge
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I feel like Diablo will just take the entire niche of tenonto as land-based brawler. A semi-aquatic teno differentiates it from diablo in a unique fashion, while allowing tenonto players to transition to an animal of similar size and niche

meager oriole
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This would still mean changes to its performance on land, me no likey

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It's only fair for its speed or something to get nerfed if it becomes a semi aquatic

golden coral
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It depends on those changes and how much, I'd say at least

vital basalt
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the problem with making anything semi-aquatic right now implies it has to be able to smack a deino or atleast outrun it

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or make it not worth killing

golden coral
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Not sure how well cera does use the water, but I don't see it doing well vs deino

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But that could be an issue with well, deinos being as overpopulated as they are

dusky surge
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Teno already does insanely well in shallows, with its excellent trotspeed and ability to punish slow moving targets well

vital basalt
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True I'm just pointing out our one semi-aquatic Beipi still get murdered constantly by Deino despite them being near useless as far as nutrients go for any Deino past 15% growth causing them to basically have to sit at map edges near water pools to avoid being merced most the time

dusky surge
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Beipi does actually quite well at deino evasion if you aren't, y'know, silly

meager oriole
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It does past a certain growth

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Small/Juvenile Beipi is easy Deino fodder

vital basalt
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True at certain growth the can evade deino

meager oriole
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Its adult stage is basically untouchable to Deinos if you’re playing it right and don’t intentionally put yourself in danger for the fun of it

vital basalt
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True but the more aquatics you add the more you have to consider if they'll be able to box a Deino or if they all just have to play the run-away game

dusky surge
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Well, sucho won't

cosmic pelican
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Spino stomps deino

dusky surge
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It's a shallow wader, basically never has to worry about a deino

obtuse ocean
meager oriole
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Deinocheirus swamps both Spino and Deino lol

dusky surge
meager oriole
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In a perfect world…

dusky surge
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Spino more than likely kicks cherry's ass

meager oriole
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I mean I doubt that either

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It would probably be whoever’s defensive wins

obtuse ocean
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Offf i had high hopes for cherius

dusky surge
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I mean... Spino

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Spino is likely going to get powerscaled to the MOON

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Considering it's said to kill deino on land and in water, no contest

obtuse ocean
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Deino should be very easy kill if its gets ahold on deino, unless they buff it

vital basalt
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Personally I wouldn't mind more aquatics but I do think Deino need some more incentive to spread around the map cause currently they congregate in the center which somewhat locks down travel via the rivers because once you reach the center you have to either risk going through water or go over land and risk the Ceras/carnos/raptors ect

dusky surge
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Trust me, deinos end up all over the place due to the water distribution

vital basalt
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Is gateway a map?

dusky surge
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The new map next update, yes

vital basalt
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Right I had heard of gateway but never looked into 'what' it was

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There will probably still be hotspots but hopefully it won't just be the bottleneck at center like it is now

dusky surge
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I mean, with Migrations, it's unlikely we'll see animals hanging around in the same spot for super long times

meager oriole
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Carnivores theoretically could, Herbivores cannot

vital basalt
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True the main reason people congregate in the center as is currently is lack of reliable food, because of limited ai, and limited Herbivore players in comparison to the Carnivores

dusky surge
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You don't HAVE to migrate, but it's encouraged for the best chance at food

vital basalt
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I mean giving incentive to move is good

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and combats the afk bush move people use currently

meager oriole
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herbivores even rn cant, as its very hard to find all three nutrients in one place

dusky surge
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Ehhh, as someone who PLAYED on Gateway, I wouldn't be so sure

dusky surge
meager oriole
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I am saying theoretically

dusky surge
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So no more running triangles across the whole map

meager oriole
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Carnivores can still just stay in one hotspots while herbivores need to move for their nutrients

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herbis staying in one spot will just become malnourished

vital basalt
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I mean technically that'd be somewhat true to life

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Carno's either follow the herbi herds or build up along well traveled areas they pass through

meager oriole
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carni players will never play like that so its difficult to say

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they see herd, they get angry at how they cant kill herd

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they leave or die trying

vital basalt
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Personally whenever I play carnivore I liked to travel and look for food, problem is the most abundant food is in the center since AI is lacking

dusky surge
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Migrations are basically

  • Vibe in a spot
  • Oh crap it's out of food
  • Move on
  • Find new spot
  • Get nutrients, food and more
  • Nest if you so desire in this bountiful land
  • Carnivores rock up
  • Fight carnivores/die to carnivores/watch carnivores fight amongst themselves
  • Move on
  • Repeat as the scavengers finish off what you all left behind
meager oriole
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carnis fighting amongst themselves is even more funny

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because it confirms that carnis also prey on carnis and that is still somewhat frowned upon

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"because herbis are like, unkillable, in herds"

dusky surge
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A bear would rather attack a wolf than a moose, let's be honest

meager oriole
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so op

vital basalt
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Eh I think it's also an issue of lack of herbivore players, so when there are herds it's usually people who coordinated to group up

meager oriole
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herbi players are more numerous than youd think tbh

dusky surge
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Herbis will be split up depending on diet and migration path, so that might be tough

meager oriole
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its just most herbi players enjoy social gameplay

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I do myself

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I cant enjoy Isle without being in a herd and vc

vital basalt
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Well yeah safety in numbers and all that

meager oriole
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mixherding makes herding even more fun

swift beacon
vital basalt
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Herbi mixherding is fine I just dislike when carnivores mixherd with other carnis/herbis

dusky surge
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I love watching people get personally offended by dryos hanging with stegos as if that isn't a totally natural response to predators

swift beacon
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seeing as 99% of Deino's kill potential is locked behind its lunge, all you need to do to curbstomp the croc is being bigger than the threshold and having a higher htk on it than it has on you, which is easier to achieve the larger you are

meager oriole
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its also better

swift beacon
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Speen? or smth else

dusky surge
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Spino

meager oriole
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no

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I meant, it's better that way

swift beacon
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you're gonna have to elaborate the context here Azure

dusky surge
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Personally, I see spino v deino the same way I see stego v rex, completely one-sided and kinda unfair

meager oriole
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I dont want Deino lunging Trike

vital basalt
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Legit if Deino work like Alligators the only thing you'd need to beat them is to step on their head

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because mouth slam shut real good but can't open real good if you just smoosh it

swift beacon
dusky surge
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My issue is... Water is not as easy a getaway as you may think

swift beacon
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for Deino it is lmao

dusky surge
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No, let me explain

meager oriole
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How much of the roster can Deino lunge?

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60%? 70%?

swift beacon
meager oriole
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I meant the full roster

dusky surge
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Let's think about this logically. Gateway contains:

  • Lakes
  • Shallows
  • Ponds
  • Swamps
  • Other isolated water sources

None of these places have an escape route. This means that ALL water sources that aren't a river? Deathtraps for deino, they are doomed. Now, one could argue, don't go near them, then we come to the kicker.

Update 8, weather, contains droughts. This will drain the water and turn once river passages into empty nothings. This can potentially isolate a deino, or corner them, into a location they have no chance of escaping. Spino clearly will catch you on land, and water is a fickle thing you cannot rely on, so when will deinos die because the game decided them to?

swift beacon
vital basalt
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the only thing immune to deino lunge 'currently' is 85% grown stego

swift beacon
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ponds, depends on the size of the pond, shallows are de-facto land

dusky surge
swift beacon
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again, depends on the size of the pond

dusky surge
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Doesn't matter. Can literally run you down until you can't escape anymore, the spino can just... Follow

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Basically, Spino always beating Deino, along with the nature of water? It makes deino into EXCLUSIVELY river-based, all other water sources are entirely off-limits, and on top of that, makes an animal entirely focused around the weather and luck

vital basalt
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I feel like right now it's a lot of speculation, personally I wouldn't mind a contender that can fight with Deino on average and likely win because Deino Population is a bit silly

plucky aspen
vital basalt
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Well yeah Deino being immune to other deino makes sense

dusky surge
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I personally think deino should be at home inside the depths, I don't think spino should push it from there, considering spino can disengage at any time using the land and easily win

swift beacon
dusky surge
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Spino is INFINITELY more versatile than deino, who is one of the most specialised animals in the game

vital basalt
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Yeah I don't want Spino to 'completely' outclass them but it would be nice to have them around as a way to kick down the population a bit

swift beacon
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I've never seen a croc kill a Beipi that wasn't chilling near it or accidentally jump into its mouth

vital basalt
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I have

swift beacon
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is it a 1:1 comparison? no

dusky surge
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And run away

vital basalt
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As a Beipi just minding my own business I've been snatched by full grown deino who get no benefit from eating me lol

dusky surge
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Deino can't, that's suicide

swift beacon
dusky surge
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Deino is the most aquatic semi-aquatic

swift beacon
dusky surge
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No matter what environment a deino catches a beipi in, the beipi has an answer

vital basalt
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Beipi does have options yeah as far as just being able to leave the water, granted on land a beipi for lack of a better word is a sitting duck in some ways because it can't really fight anything bigger than a Juvi

swift beacon
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they help for sure, but if Deino has the answer to Spino catching it in environments it's supposed to be in, then is there really a problem that it gets suplexed for being outside them or getting caught slacking?

dusky surge
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Deino is too specialised, all of its options NEED to be exclusively in deep water, except spino can push it out of there with its presence alone

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This is why I think Spino should SMASH deino's head in within ANY environment that isn't deep water, and struggle somewhat with a depth-dwelling adult deino

swift beacon
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not really?

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all you need is enough room to maneuver

dusky surge
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But you can just get stammed down, it's a matter of time

swift beacon
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and more water speed

dusky surge
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Water is limiting

swift beacon
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that's the risk you take by playing Deino

dusky surge
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That's not really... fair though

true ginkgo
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beips best way to counter a deino is to make friends with it.

dusky surge
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You just spawn in knowing you can just not interact with many bodies of water, as well as that you can get screwed by the weather being wrong

true ginkgo
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beepys are so handy to have around for deinos, as things jump in the water trying to eat the ducks.

becoming free deino food

vital basalt
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I mean yeah it'd be punishing for Deino being in the wrong place at the wrong times but honestly, cutting down their numbers wouldn't be so bad