balance-feedback-discussion

[keen plover]

lag shouldn't matter in balance imo.

[dusky surge]

(and utah was fine even when that was a thing and could get away with shredding stegos with ease)

[strong solar]

as a utah main I can say this is not true, not all of us are like this. But like 80% are

[dusky surge]

im moving to troodon to distance myself from the utah community

these people are sociopaths

[opaque beacon]

Ok ok it should not true

[strong solar]

it’s a very easy dinosaur to pick up and play

[opaque beacon]

I personally never try to pounce from the front but even if you do it should just be a missed pounce animation not a knockdown

[mental roost]

I'm going to go to the last place that "Eat grass and die" players haven't corrupted! SPAACE

[keen plover]

pounce from the front is really good in groups. You can tank out a carno and get a good pounce off.

[opaque beacon]

"Utah community"

[keen plover]

Solo is suicide

[dusky surge]

yes

[opaque beacon]

Solo is always suicide in utah xd

[dusky surge]

not anymore since any pounce is a good pounce :P

[strong solar]

what

[dusky surge]

solo is easy as utah, done it many times

and now it's even easier

[obtuse ocean]

If you pounce the head of bigger dino, that should be death more or less. Thats a dumb mistake, i can die to good utahs but bad utahs thats just sad

[opaque beacon]

Yeah what server you play on?

[strong solar]

I’m almost always a solo utah, it’s very easy and very possible

[dusky surge]

NA before, AU now

Because I just wanted AU back

[opaque beacon]

Lmao, ok try ibis as a solo Utah, people on official servers tend to have lower skill than on private servers on my last experiances

[dusky surge]

no because i'd rather play on sub-100 ping

:)

[opaque beacon]

Ok, wanna solo me as a utah when Im carno?

[strong solar]

personally I don’t play on ruled servers for the isle, it’s a hellhole of toxicity

[opaque beacon]

Ill prove you wrong

[dusky surge]

i never implied that was easy but sure, random strawman argument

[keen plover]

If a utah somehow solos you...

[opaque beacon]

You know scopes server?

[dusky surge]

i said surviving as solo utah was easy (because it is). Never said fullgrown carno v utah 1v1 was easy for utah

[dusky surge]

nope

i dont care for unofficials

[opaque beacon]

Hahahahah ok

[mental roost]

I'm pretty sure Ibis and Scope's are both hosted in the US..

[opaque beacon]

Your funny dude

[mental roost]

Which is pretty far away from Australia

[dusky surge]

explain how? seems like you're pretending i'm wrong without any evidence

[opaque beacon]

We said lag dident matter sooo?

[dusky surge]

wtf does lag have to do with my argument?

[opaque beacon]

No cuz you back down so fast

[dusky surge]

??????

[opaque beacon]

Surviving solo on AI i see

[keen plover]

You don't balance around lag* Doesn't mean you should fight on a laggy server lol.

[dusky surge]

surviving solo on whatever the fuck i find

[mental roost]

This^

[raw reef]

hahahahah ok might be one of the greatest answers i have ever heard

[opaque beacon]

Well he was talking all about balancing

[keen plover]

Which is fine?

[dusky surge]

yes, and lag has no factor in balancing. Doesn't mean I love playing on laggy servers my good man

what the fuck is this argument

[strong solar]

you act like a kid who’s about to challenge me to a 1v1 on fortnite

[opaque beacon]

Yeah, i wanna show him balanced it is ans how carno oblitirates utah in a 1v1

[raw reef]

he is 0_0

[opaque beacon]

Idk how tf you be soloing full grown on officials, must be some peanut carnos

[dusky surge]

never said that carno couldn't do that, i did say, however, that a utah can
A: Easily escape a carno
B: Easily survive solo

[dusky surge]

I literally never fucking said I did that

[opaque beacon]

Hahahhahah ok

[dusky surge]

You're making up random arguments

[raw reef]

💀

[mellow zenith]

Still, pouncing the head and teleporting to the side of the carno is BS

[dusky surge]

Oh my God someone fucking help me he's so dense

[raw reef]

nooo they fixedd itttttt 🤓

[mental roost]

Would it be a good show of balance if I'm hosting a server and fighting someone with 800 ping??

I don't think so. Balance first; lag and server stuff 2nd.

[opaque beacon]

Yeah, it is, you know what else is, this guy wanting Utah to die if they did that xd

[dusky surge]

Someone else argue with this dude this shit's gotta be a parody

[keen plover]

I don't think 1 v 1's are the best representations of utah beating a carno. Sure in a straight brawl, carno wins, but if you go into a fight server - the element of surprise is completely gone. In a survival server, a utah could stalk you for ages and get a really long and good pounce off.

[raw reef]

if you miss your heavy atack and pounce the 175 BİTEFORCE AREA OF THE PREDATOR THATS 1 TONS+ HEAVİER THAN YOU you deserve to die

maybe not instant kill but atleast a knock down

[mellow zenith]

Sounds about right

[dusky surge]

knockdown = death apparently so that's not gonna fly

just wait

[opaque beacon]

No you dont, running at something like a deino that is 8 tons and then surviving it is ok then?

[keen plover]

?

[raw reef]

n-no? 💀

[dusky surge]

my god, he's making even less sense

how far will this go

i think we're witnessing a real descent into madness

[opaque beacon]

Than why does carno survive deinos bite?

Running straight at its mouth

[dusky surge]

[raw reef]

because dino should opt to pick something up and drown it-

[mellow zenith]

Its called balance

[raw reef]

deino has a litteral instant win button and it should use it lmao

[opaque beacon]

Im saying biting, not using speacial ability

If I was pouncing a ramming carno hell I should die 100%

[obtuse ocean]

Cus ur a small dino? with insane speed agility stam

[opaque beacon]

"Insane"

[dusky surge]

did you know that if a carno rams a deino, not only does the carno take damage, but it gets stunned allowing it to be attacked for free? Almost like how utah used to get knocked down for pouncing the face

Fascinating

[frail bobcat]

What is the conversation about?

[raw reef]

deinos main power is grab and it relies on said grab to kill every single on of their targets

while carno is relient on its charge,its not needed to score kills

[opaque beacon]

But it dosent die

[obtuse ocean]

Yea you do, when bigger dinos come you will understand.

[dusky surge]

(even though the deino could absolutely grab it and drag it into the water and kill it but sure)

[frail bobcat]

The croc can yoink the carno

[raw reef]

also i think utahs the 2. or the 1. most agile dino ever so like..

[frail bobcat]

^

[raw reef]

right behind the dryo wichs whole thing is hes agile and nothing else..

[opaque beacon]

Again, taking speacial abilities out of this

[keen plover]

why remove them

[dusky surge]

except we're talking about pouncing the face?????

which is a special ability

[opaque beacon]

Because either way if deino lunges a carno its dead and if a carno rams a utah its dead

[frail bobcat]

What is the talk about?

[dusky surge]

wha
what
wh

???????
help

[opaque beacon]

On the other hand bro

[raw reef]

AGAİN,DEİNOS RELİENT ON İTS SPECİAL ABİLİTY TO KİLL EVERY SİNGLE ONE OF İTS TARGETS

[frail bobcat]

Somebody fucking tell what the talk is about

[opaque beacon]

A CARNO IS LIKE A FUCKING DEINO TO A UTAH

[dusky surge]

my god man not everything is designed to spam LMB like carno. Deino is an animal relying on drowning

[mental roost]

Time to grow:
Health:
Damage numbers:
Deino already having a delete any animal under at or under 4 tons button:
Deino balance being its own beast as well
Carno not being made invulnerable when attacking something:
Different animals as a whole.

[frail bobcat]

Except for other deinos

[dusky surge]

frankly, i have no fucking clue. he's changed the point like 3 times

[raw reef]

YES İT SHOULD BE LMAO DO YOU WANT UTAH TO BE SHİTTİNG ON CARNOS

[opaque beacon]

WHEN DID I SAY THAT?

[strong solar]

You’re digging yourself real deep in this grave of yours

[frail bobcat]

Why are they screaming?

[raw reef]

😭

[opaque beacon]

Im comparing the two because CARNO is like a fucking DEINO to UTAHS

[obtuse ocean]

Deino is a beast compared to carno lol

[raw reef]

do you want to roleplay at docks

[opaque beacon]

YOU ASKED AND SAID DEINO IS IRRELLEVANT

[strong solar]

hey don’t use bad words 😤

[opaque beacon]

SO I explained why im comparing

[dusky surge]

except no it isnt because those animals play entirely differently and hunt in completely seperate styles

they are NOTHING alike and completely incomparable

[opaque beacon]

Omg dammage wise holy shit get the point

[raw reef]

and utah can completely avoid deino and stuff

[mental roost]

......What?? No?? They're both fast moving targets with Deino being the slower moving tank but...they don't operate or play that similar.

I'd say Stego is a much more apt comparison which: what'dya know, Carno gets punished there hard too if it plays dumb(Utah is much better for that job though because carno has no attacks that make it invulnerable to damage from the target outside of 1 attack having stun/knockdown which does nothing to large stegos)

[frail bobcat]

Hard disagree. As two utahs you can fight a carno, but you cant fight a deino and a deino cant chase after you while a carno can

[dusky surge]

Except boiling an animal down to stats only is completely ridiculous and defeats the point???

[strong solar]

Y’all we should just talk about something else

It’s already clear that utah needs a knockdown when pouncing the head

what else

[raw reef]

how about we talk about how your pfp is great

[strong solar]

omg thanks

[raw reef]

ily profile definetly better than my spore creation shit

[frail bobcat]

It is funny

[opaque beacon]

We are talking about balance, and you said Utah should die because carno is three times its size and like double its dammege, wtf is wrong with me using stats

[strong solar]

My spore creations always have those gigantic eyebrows

[dusky surge]

i never said that

[raw reef]

based

[dusky surge]

quote where i said that please

[strong solar]

Lmao

[mental roost]

Could use a little more Tim Curry

[opaque beacon]

Than why should it die huh?

[strong solar]

So real quick

[raw reef]

..because its throwing itself at the face of its predator

[strong solar]

Should Carno bleed out as fast as it does rn

[dusky surge]

... you didnt quote where i said that...

[strong solar]

I’m kind of split on it

[opaque beacon]

Fuck nah

[frail bobcat]

Wtf, you said that he said and when he asks you to show us the message you can give it to us

[opaque beacon]

Just a little bit more bleed res

[raw reef]

imagine it as a lion throwing itself at the head of a buffalo lmao

[obtuse ocean]

Utah throwing itself in the face of another bigger predator,should be death. Either utah f up or the other predator played it well

[strong solar]

anime redemption arc

[raw reef]

fr

[opaque beacon]

Ok, carno can throw itself at a deino and survive tf

[raw reef]

İT CANT İF THE DEİNO PRESSES RİGHT CLİCK

[frail bobcat]

It can use right click

And hold it

[strong solar]

Do you play evrima be real with me

[opaque beacon]

OK, IF THE CARNO IS RIGHT CLICKING THE UTAH DIES TOO

[keen plover]

Carnos right click is nothing like deinos 💀

[opaque beacon]

Bro I play it since day 1, I have 1k hours on it

[frail bobcat]

But a carno right click can be dodged easily

[raw reef]

except not really carno needs to run up and hit one of the most agile dinos in the game while deino just holds right clicks when carno goes for a bite-

[mental roost]

Carno doesn't leave unscathed if the Deino knows how to bite/alt bite though? Sure it's 4 hits(body shots), but that's still a sizable chunk of health gone.

Carno has 1800 health(and weight)
Deino has 500 damage in its bites for the main reason that lunge is its vital killing tool(so it isn't just a water Rex, which...we saw back in Update 3. I know, because I was one of them)

[strong solar]

Then how do you not know what a deino right click is

[frail bobcat]

And it needs a full speed run before that

[strong solar]

it’s a win button

even if you’re on land you can drag the Carno into the river

[opaque beacon]

It launches the utah down and brings it to 50 hp where one bite will kill it

[frail bobcat]

Charge is unuseable in a brawl

[frail bobcat]

But it works differently

[opaque beacon]

I DO wtf, im just saying we ARENT using right click because a UTAH wont fucking pounce a CHARGING carno

[raw reef]

yes but it needs a run up,a long run up at that lmao

[strong solar]

ayyyyyy chill don’t raise your voice 😂😂

[frail bobcat]

A well aimed pounce actually can be used against a charging carno

[opaque beacon]

No becaise capitalizing things is the only way people get the point

[raw reef]

[opaque beacon]

From the front no?

[strong solar]

Gonna be real with you it only makes you look goofy

[frail bobcat]

Did I say from the front

[frail bobcat]

^

[opaque beacon]

💀💀💀💀💀

[keen plover]

This argument is so pointless... Utah just needs some punishment for when it pounces the face of a creature. Anyways, should carno have another attack? Also, do you think trample will make charge redundant if a carno runs into something?

[strong solar]

A head swing perhaps

[opaque beacon]

This whole argument is about pouncing from the front @frail bobcat

[strong solar]

but that might be too much like pachy

[frail bobcat]

Ok

[keen plover]

[mental roost]

I honestly have no idea if Carno should have another attack or not. If it does get one, I'd like one to spruce up Carno vs Carno fights so it's less of a bite spam fest or "I charged you, so therefore I win."

How? No idea, because mirror match ups that aren't Utah , kinda suck.

[frail bobcat]

The pounce from the front makes pigs kinda easy to take out as a juvie too

[raw reef]

if you can find any💀

[opaque beacon]

Carno can maybe have a horn pickup thing where like it can turn around or in any direction like a alt bite but fling whatever is running at it

[frail bobcat]

Its pretty easy at northwest or south

[strong solar]

fr what are you even supposed to do when a Carno gets a charge on you as another Carno

Just start praying

[keen plover]

Hope you're near a forest 💀

[opaque beacon]

Bro trust me yes its easy but it takes so long lol, I was 45% before I could eat the boar

[raw reef]

i mean you can try to outstam it now that it wasted its stam in a charge...ig

[mental roost]

Run around like a chicken without its head and try to get more head and body shots on them. Running away = get charged. Charge away? Get ran down due to stamina.

Ei: not a lot of depth or interesting stuff going on. Deino is the WORST in terms of mirror match ups though.

[opaque beacon]

Pray his lil brother to alt f4 his game

[frail bobcat]

I takes long, but its easy

[strong solar]

Utah is the most fun mirror matchup

[raw reef]

agreed since its supposed to shit on everything thats smaller lmao

[frail bobcat]

And if you have food and need diet its the easiest one to go for as a growing utah

[strong solar]

yeah you can get alot of hits but if the other uwutah pounces you 👁️👁️

[opaque beacon]

We need like a small to mid sized AI for juvies to kill and have some food left

[raw reef]

goat?

[strong solar]

do goats even exist

[opaque beacon]

Do they run fast, I havent seen one in ages

[keen plover]

Do you think trample will make charge useless?

[opaque beacon]

Trample?

[raw reef]

ehhh probably notttttt..knowing its the isle yeah

[keen plover]

So trample will be a thing. Realistically, if something large ran into something small, you knock it over.

[opaque beacon]

Ahh

Yeah I remember that on the Pue

[raw reef]

i just imagine a rex stepping over its childeren and murdering them all

[keen plover]

So if I run into a utah, does it knock it over?

[opaque beacon]

Elder system and perks system is going to CHANGE the game completly

Excited for that

[raw reef]

elders gona be fun

[strong solar]

oh god I hope it’s not like beasts of Bermuda

where if you dumped more hours into it you automatically win

[raw reef]

grow 4.0 deino

[opaque beacon]

Realisticly yes, isleistically probably not

[strong solar]

😭

[opaque beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-kermit-the-frog-worried-anxious-scared-gif-17776670

[strong solar]

What even is the elder system gonna be like

[raw reef]

so your dino fucking gets old and dies n stuff

[strong solar]

Wait it does of old age?

[opaque beacon]

So elder is like being big W for the time being but then you get old asf

[strong solar]

that’s actually really cool

[opaque beacon]

Ill show you

@strong solar Elders are larger, more powerful variations of the adult stage of life. They are only accessible by following certain diet/perk pathways. Elders start off stronger than the highest tier adult of their species. After completing their reign, they depreciate. Embracing death willfully, leaves you with a bonus you can apply to a new life as that species. But dying in any other fashion...

[raw reef]

cant wait to be elder dryo and murder utahs

[strong solar]

Hell yeah

[opaque beacon]

Elder models

[strong solar]

Elder Carno looks like a grandma

Beautiful

[opaque beacon]

XD

[somber sphinx]

Elders wil be pretty strong fist, stronger than their adult counterparts but then get weaker by time goes by and weaker and if you die of old age “a natural death” then you get a perk

[raw reef]

is it me or does elder herrera just look like they made its headpiece kinda longer

[strong solar]

I’m actually pretty hyped for this, thanks for letting me know

[raw reef]

cant wait for it when they decide to update their game again

[mellow zenith]

Utah look pretty much the same

[opaque beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/thumb-up-thumb-up-eating-thumb-up-moment-gif-18075118

[strong solar]

[opaque beacon]

I think the claws are longer and its more boney

[strong solar]

I hope I don’t need to wait 5 years

[opaque beacon]

You will...

[raw reef]

💀

[opaque beacon]

XD

[strong solar]

💀

[opaque beacon]

Want to know about perks?

[strong solar]

ye sure

[opaque beacon]

As players progress to their various growth milestones they'll have the option to select between a variety of perks, designed to support a varied playstyle.

[raw reef]

more damage hypsi

[opaque beacon]

Utah hypsi mutation

By the time you unblind you ded

[raw reef]

lmao hypsi with deino biteforce

[strong solar]

I’m gonna go elder dryo with more damage

[opaque beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[strong solar]

the utah slayer_xxxx_759

[raw reef]

unlock dryo pounce

[opaque beacon]

So basically how it work is when you have reached the requirments of elder, when you reach full grown you will have a chose and its to either I think be elder and die later on or stay alive and get a random perk

Choice*

[somber sphinx]

Hope perks don’t change stats but how you survive like you can unlock a perk for teno to dive in water but now it’s diets are mostly in water where things like bary and deino are

[dusky surge]

(elder being optional is lame imho)

[raw reef]

teno dive would be so good

[raw reef]

agreed

[opaque beacon]

[raw reef]

you can choose not to age

[somber sphinx]

Or ptera being able to dive for bigger fish to in the ocean and sutch

[opaque beacon]

Im not sure

[raw reef]

ptera not being the slowest swimmer in the game

[dusky surge]

why would it be?

[somber sphinx]

Yes, you can choose if you want to be elder or stay as an adult

[keen plover]

eh, i like not having a timer on my playable

[raw reef]

(that was a joke btw i was joking)

[dusky surge]

i'd rather everything grows at the same rate but lives for different durations than this weird growth stagnation thing

[opaque beacon]

What I think they will actually do is if you follow the path of an elder, you become one, if you dont you continue to live and unlock perks by doing challanges like getting your nutrients full or killing a certain spiecies

[strong solar]

challenges give me that path of titans vibe

[opaque beacon]

Ik...

[dusky surge]

PoT cringe

[opaque beacon]

But I think it will be seemless

[raw reef]

i think im the only person in the face of the earth that likes PoT combat..

[opaque beacon]

Like unlock the secrets to your dino type stuff

[strong solar]

I hate the collision

It looks like an awkward tap dancing party

[dusky surge]

probably

are you a sociopath who enjoys their own suffering perhaps

[raw reef]

cmon man its kinda fun

[opaque beacon]

Orrrrrrrrrr, like if you ran alot in your past life, maybe you will have a better stamina perk in the next one, and if you like kill things you get a power perk

[dusky surge]

its legacy 2.0

and legacy sucked

and PoT manages to make the experience worse by making the worlds dumbest fetch quests

[opaque beacon]

Opinions are not allowed

[raw reef]

😦

[opaque beacon]

😅

Welcome to the isle

[dusky surge]

idk how many secrets there are to unlock in a dryo

i think a dryo is a pretty open and shut case

[keen plover]

Those perks would be terrible

[dusky surge]

also fuck no

[raw reef]

speaking of dryo

dryo needs a buff to its dodge

[somber sphinx]

Perks that change stats

[raw reef]

make it take you farther away

[raw reef]

10 ton deino

[opaque beacon]

Holy shit relax I was just brainstorming lmfao

[dusky surge]

damage buff/stamina buff perks are EXCEPTIONALLY boring

[keen plover]

utah weight perk where it pins pachy

[somber sphinx]

That may just be elder deino

[opaque beacon]

Ok?

[raw reef]

stamina buffs would be cool

imagine stamina buffed carno

[opaque beacon]

Perks are buffs, like em or not their going to be added

[dusky surge]

they aren't that simple lmao

and the devs have said they don't want perks of that fashion

[opaque beacon]

Yeah that would be sick

[keen plover]

If they add perks like that, the game would be ruined

[dusky surge]

true

[somber sphinx]

Perks that changes stats < perks that changes survivalbility

[dusky surge]

it would honestly just make it really unbearable

[raw reef]

it would be,but also imagine,damage buffed stego..

[opaque beacon]

Thats the same thing

[dusky surge]

no it isn't?

[keen plover]

no

[somber sphinx]

Not really

[dusky surge]

do you really see this game as nothing but a numbers game lmao

there's so much more you can do with the concept and with perks

[raw reef]

to be fair theres litteraly nothing else to do in the game other than combat rn

[opaque beacon]

Yeah it needs to be controlled to a point where its not broken

[dusky surge]

"right now"

[raw reef]

cant blame a man for thinking it as numbers game

[dusky surge]

with elders, there will be something to work towards

[raw reef]

because thats what the game is rn

[somber sphinx]

I want perks that changes how I survive like teno and peta dive but now teno’s food and diet is mostly in waters where bary and deinos are

[dusky surge]

perks should be shit like changing how/where you can survive. Salt water deinos, diving tenos, rot-tolerant utahs, for example.

[opaque beacon]

If I have more stamina as a carno, I will have a better survival rate running from a pack of utahs as I can get away for a long distance

[somber sphinx]

^ and this

[raw reef]

diving stego

[dusky surge]

but thats boring for a perk. just means you have a raw advantage, which imho, is lame

[dusky surge]

obviously perks should play into how an animal already plays, but specialises them into a certain area

so no diving stegs

[opaque beacon]

Who cares if its boring, its a perk

[keen plover]

So you run down the default carno that's new to the game?

[raw reef]

it was a joke that was a joke i was making a joke

[keen plover]

A perk like that would be anti-beginner.

[opaque beacon]

What?

[keen plover]

default as in, no perks.

[raw reef]

bro dinosaur games are always gona be anti begginer

[opaque beacon]

Idk how they will have it, but I know they will have it some way

[keen plover]

Yeah, but now you increased it

[opaque beacon]

Good luck arguing lol

[keen plover]

Currently, a beginner can run away from a person who knows what they're doing

They are statistically the same

[somber sphinx]

Nonetheless perks shouldn’t change stats and I think the devs have stated that whitch I’m pretty stoked about

[opaque beacon]

Well if that dosent than elders will

[raw reef]

would elders be faster?

maybe for certain species idk

[opaque beacon]

Not sure but they will be stronger than an average adult

[somber sphinx]

Idk but elders wil also get weaker by the time goes by

[raw reef]

cuz like

i feel elder utah gota be faster but faster deino with more stats is fucked up

[opaque beacon]

True

[somber sphinx]

Elders wil first be strong then weak

[opaque beacon]

It will depend on the species I think

What kind of perks could they add that are not stats wise?

[somber sphinx]

Ptera and teno being able to dive for food, deinos can live in Salt water, rot-tolerant utahs, for example.

[keen plover]

I've seen this one around but:

• Teno forgoing a more terrestrial lifestyle to be semi-aquatic. It needs to be around water more and can dive for plants.

[opaque beacon]

Teno diving for food?

[somber sphinx]

Yeah but now some of its food in underwater plants whitch is where bary and deino would be in and would compete agains beipi

[keen plover]

However perks should require cons and pros

[somber sphinx]

Mooses do the same, they are really good swimmers and can dive pretty well

[opaque beacon]

Oh so teno going in water for food to compete with other semi aquatics

[somber sphinx]

Pretty mutch yeah and need to worry about things like bary, spino and deino more

[somber sphinx]

^

[opaque beacon]

Yeah, a good perk would be for like stam regen or maybe like faster log times

But diets kinda play into the health regen

[keen plover]

stam regen huh

[opaque beacon]

And stam regen

Maybe jump higher XD

[keen plover]

what would be the con though for stam regen

[opaque beacon]

Spasms

Due to little time resting

Like a time where you get a spasm while running and your speed goes down for a bit until you rest for a bit

[keen plover]

I guess that could work but would be a bit untimely if you were being chased and you slowed down. Guess that would be a CON. Anyways peace for now

[raw reef]

god spasms are ass

i met a cute little hypsi as my stego

accidentaly murderred it cuz i ate something bad ig

[dusky surge]

should never have eaten those mushrooms

[raw reef]

lmao i tried to migrate as stego

and i realized oh shit theres no diet food

mushrooms had to do

[dusky surge]

coulda grazed?

[raw reef]

well you see

harving to graze every 2 seconds gets annoying lmao

[frail bobcat]

That is true

[urban briar]

So many people crying about magnetic Utah pounce. At least the damn thing works. We didn't get to use it for months lol

[pearl wadi]

why the x in my post in balance feedback? it is even easy to kill a carno with 2 decent utah players right now... have done it several times since update 5 released... and it feels right that 2 utahs kill one carno 🙂

[obtuse ocean]

yea, but not when 2 garbage utah players like me and my friend can do it with ease

[pearl wadi]

thats true

but the original post were not about if its good or not good, it was just about what is true... and in update 5 its definitely not true that 1 carno vs 3 utahs is even 😉

[frail bobcat]

If somebody is a noob, how bad is a bad noob?

(serious question)

[obtuse ocean]

u think its fair 2v1? i dont. 3v1 yea

[pearl wadi]

bruh

the post was never about fair

[obtuse ocean]

i need to see the post , sec

[pearl wadi]

it was just about he rated it... and imho it was just wrong what he wrote... for me 1 carno vs 2 utah is even at the moment

if u have 3 utahs in update 5 u need to play complete bs to lose against one carno

[obtuse ocean]

even ? lol no, you walk over a carno like nothing. And im bad, tons of mistakes. still no problem

[pearl wadi]

but in that case the carno player was also shit

a good carno still has very good chance against 2 utah

[obtuse ocean]

lol

[hexed sorrel]

a good carno has an equal chance in my opinion, against 3 utahs.

[hexed sorrel]

I really dont think so, I feel like it is an even fight.

[alpine plover]

unless those utahs are brainless its not even imo

[hexed sorrel]

if the carno is good, and the utahs are good

[alpine plover]

3 good pounces and you are in some real trouble

[hexed sorrel]

its even. or thats what i think

[hexed sorrel]

1 good bite makes a utah in trouble

[alpine plover]

hardly

[hexed sorrel]

wdym? it removes like 50% of the utahs bleed

which makes stamian recovery bad

which makes it hard to pounce

maybe 50% is exaggerated but it still removed quite a lot of blood

[alpine plover]

yes but theres 3 of them lol

[hexed sorrel]

that utah has to rest for around 5 mins

then there is 2, against 1. which is easy

just dont run too much, use the environment and hit the utah on exit

[alpine plover]

3 decent utahs will have landed 3 good pounces on you

[hexed sorrel]

you should be able to win against 2

[alpine plover]

and carno might have gotten 1 bite in on each

[hexed sorrel]

not if you use your environment

[alpine plover]

what if you're in the plains

[hexed sorrel]

it takes around 4-6 pounces depending on how spaced out they are to bleed a carno out. if you bite a utah once, it has to sit out for at least 5 mins

[hexed sorrel]

just run to a forest lol, if t hey are above 2 utahs

if not in a forest

[alpine plover]

one bite does not take a utah out of combat for 5 mins...

[hexed sorrel]

of the utah keeps standing, and walking, 50% of the blood will be gone.

[alpine plover]

run to the forest after being pounced?

[hexed sorrel]

so yes, it has to sit out for a bit

[hexed sorrel]

not after being pounced, you are faster, so use your speed to run to the forest

if you can't, use trees

or rocks. or even water but that's not too smart

[alpine plover]

it nots 50%, i've literally stayed fighting carnos after two bites

[hexed sorrel]

🧢

mustve been tailshots

[alpine plover]

maybe

[hexed sorrel]

2 carno shots makes you like 30-40%

which makes stamina regen INCREDIBLY slow.

3 bites = utah dead

I mean, scope survived 8 utahs for 45 mins so 🤷‍♂️

[keen plover]

hmmm?

[hexed sorrel]

sure he was with another carno but still 8 utahs

[alpine plover]

two carnos is a lot differnt tbf

but thats is impressive

[hexed sorrel]

he survived because he used the environement

[alpine plover]

is there a vid of this?

[hexed sorrel]

but 8/3

yes cannon, its on his channel\

[alpine plover]

saw some people mentioning it

[hexed sorrel]

also there is another video showing the difference between carno blood now, vs in update 4

idk how legit that video is tho

am I allowed to show links in here?

[keen plover]

1 v 3 is very possible. Do not let them pounce on you first though.

They'll control it if you're in the open

[alpine plover]

right now it just feels so rough to play carno

and being forced to hide and starve in the jungle

[keen plover]

Idk, keep an eye out. I can't remember the last time a utah pounced me without me brawling it.

[alpine plover]

because of large utah packs everywhere

[hexed sorrel]

^

I do agree utahs are overpopulated but that's just because they made it good again, im sure it will die down soon enough

[keen plover]

I don't think utahs ever die down. I saw megapacks even when it was garbage

[hollow canyon]

Yes there is but so far I got to the 20 minute mark in it and I honestly don't know how he survives that without Utahs doing a big oopsie

[hexed sorrel]

true, but most of the time they are absolutely dog

[hollow canyon]

he should starve there to death unless they do something really dumb

[hexed sorrel]

they killed some utahs and ate it

[hollow canyon]

which... I assume they did since it goes on for additional 20 minutes

see? They did something dumb

[hexed sorrel]

thats not the blood pool problem, thats just carnos starve too quickly

[hollow canyon]

Yea well, it's one of the problems - Utahs have a significantly longer hunger time than Carnos

easier to maintain, easier to grow

[hexed sorrel]

there were a couple utahs who were good in that pack but most were pretty mediocre

[hollow canyon]

just better all around

[alpine plover]

yeah if the carno wants to use the environment, utahs can usually just wait for it to start starving..

[hexed sorrel]

if they fix carnos hunger it would be better

[hollow canyon]

or if they nerfed Utah's hunger

[hexed sorrel]

if they wait that long carno can just run away

[alpine plover]

and they just follow it lol

[hexed sorrel]

carno has more distance stamina than utah

and a no stamina utah cant do shit to a carno

[alpine plover]

true but i mean that carno has to go back to the hotspots at some point

because of the insane huger drain

[hexed sorrel]

am I allowed to send links here?

[hollow canyon]

yea no

it doesn't

[hexed sorrel]

yea yes

it does, ive literally chased down a utah with 20% stamina left

[alpine plover]

and how much stamina did the utah have?

[hexed sorrel]

even if it doesn't, it would have like 5% stamina left, carno regen stamina faster than utah so it can chase it down

[keen plover]

utah runs for longer. 46.8km for 105 seconds of stamina vs 55.5km for like 53 seconds

[hollow canyon]

that's down to Utahs doing something wrong, Utah covers far more distance than Carno with its stamina pool

by almost 50% too

[hollow canyon]

^^^ the difference is really big

[keen plover]

Utah covers much more distance

[hexed sorrel]

perhaps its because of all the turns

[hollow canyon]

this isn't even some higher maths

[hexed sorrel]

but even so yo uregen stamina faster

you walk faster aswell

[hollow canyon]

Utah covers well over a km with its whole stamina pool, Carno covers slightly over 900 metres

[hexed sorrel]

so I think you could escape it

but you need stamina to pounce

if you waste all that stamina

and you cant pounce. your pretty useless

[hollow canyon]

You don't have to waste all your stamina to catch up with that Carno

[alpine plover]

you dont need stamina to wait for the carno to starve and get desperate

[hollow canyon]

you seriously underestimate just how much more distance Utah gets to cover with its stamina pool

it's an almost 50% difference

[keen plover]

Kind of silly imo. Carno has so little stamina that if it's caught out in the grasslands, it has a high risk of a utah pack really screwing with it. (Still never happened to me though, but the idea is there )

[hexed sorrel]

I've said this, I agree with carno getting hungry too quickly

[hollow canyon]

I don't have a problem with Carno's hunger

[hexed sorrel]

i personally dont think that's the case

[hollow canyon]

I think that's alright and I consider it a good change

[hexed sorrel]

I need proof

[hollow canyon]

I mean, this isn't really something that one has to think or have opinions about, this is all about maths

[hexed sorrel]

because I really dont think you would have over 50%

[hollow canyon]

alright here we go

56km/h x 60 seconds= ~930 metres

46.8km/h x 105 seconds = 1365 metres

does that work for you?

[hexed sorrel]

not proof lol just bringing numbers up

I need video footage

[hollow canyon]

yea the maths is wrong

[hexed sorrel]

not only that

stamian regen, walking speed, all matters

[hollow canyon]

the speed stated by the game is probably wrong

[keen plover]

bruh

[hexed sorrel]

carno stamina regen is insane

[hollow canyon]

no it doesn't? none of that has any effect on Utah covering around 50% more distance

[hexed sorrel]

it does

do you know a free grow server so we can test this?

[hollow canyon]

it literally just runs for 400m more after Carno runs out of steam

Zoo? I'm not in The Isle right now

[hexed sorrel]

someone test this with me

[hollow canyon]

idk if you want to run with both of them just find some spot e.g. next to the dam and run for as long as you can and see where that gets you with each one of them

you don't even need another person for that

[hexed sorrel]

ill just do center

no, I need a utah to chase me

[hollow canyon]

Utah will cover far more ground, it just has a higher stamina pool

[hexed sorrel]

just to see if my stamina regen is useless like you said

[alpine plover]

even with the current ai situation?

[hexed sorrel]

I can just sit because ill be farther ahead, if it catches up ill run again

[hollow canyon]

No, I'm saying that stamina regen is useless in terms of the ground you cover

I wasn't talking about whether Carno can get away from Utah or not, I'm merely talking about how much ground each one of them covers - stamina regen is irrelevant to that

[hexed sorrel]

and I was talking about if carno can get away

[hollow canyon]

Whether Carno can escape from Utahs... maybe?

[hexed sorrel]

which it probably can

run as far, crouch away

[hollow canyon]

I personally think it should die if Utahs play it correctly

depends on the circumstances though

[hexed sorrel]

I feel 3 utahs should be equal to 1 carno

[keen plover]

utah pack could cut it off

[hollow canyon]

if you're in the right environment you could escape for sure

if you're in a bad spot - GL HF regrowing your Carno

[keen plover]

If I'm in center plains by the cliffs

[hollow canyon]

or just do the smart thing and grow a Utah instead

much less effort, far better match ups all around

[hexed sorrel]

you need to have a pack for that

while carno is good for solo, if your solo go for carno NEVER utah.

[alpine plover]

utahs are rarely ever on their own lol

[hexed sorrel]

utah can't really do much solo

I always play alone because im a dumbass and I have no friends that play dino game 😎

[hollow canyon]

Well... debatable, it's definitely a bit lackluster solo but I've been able to kill some things

but yea its lethality explodes with numbers

2 Utahs are definitely more lethal to just about everything than a single Carno is though

with maybe one exception being a Pachy

[hexed sorrel]

also I found this video which is interesting

[hollow canyon]

which I am not sure about

[hexed sorrel]

I still don't know if im allowed to post links

[alpine plover]

even as a pachy i think i'd rather run into a carno lol

[hollow canyon]

you are allowed to post links, what you aren't allowed to post are videos of animals in distress

[hexed sorrel]

hu?

bro I would never want to run into a carno as a pachy

[hollow canyon]

Tbh I don't know I don't play Pachy

[alpine plover]

incredibly easy to bleed a pachy rn

[hexed sorrel]

its far easier to kill 2 utahs vs 1 carno

[hexed sorrel]

they didnt even nerf its bleed

or do you mean pounce fix?

[alpine plover]

pounce fix and pachy's damage nerfed

[hexed sorrel]

which is why you dont wanna fight carnos

cuz of damage nerf

[hasty coyote]

Far easier to actually survive a carno than utahs. Just break and run from the carno. But you generally need to kill the utahs, which is difficult with low damage.

[alpine plover]

^

you're not tryna kill the carno lol

just break it and run

[hexed sorrel]

yeah but you could just break the utahs leg

stun it loop around and break its leg

[hasty coyote]

If you reach the forest against a carno, you’re good.
If you reach the forest against utahs, you still need to run.

[keen plover]

Carnos aren't that scary. Depends where you are mainly

[hasty coyote]

Much easier said than done. You have to be much more precise, hope hitboxes decide you hit the leg, and stuns are less so you have less time to be accurate.

[hexed sorrel]

I honestly thin krunning from utahs is a bad idea

[keen plover]

By a river? jump across. Rock, forest? you're safe

You do not run from utahs. Stand your ground

[hexed sorrel]

dont pachys swim slow?

[hasty coyote]

Middle of the plains and nothing around: good luck, you’re likely dead.
In the forest: you’re probably fine.

[keen plover]

Well yeah, but they can jump

Lets them cover distance well

[hasty coyote]

Decently slow yeah. So that isn’t much of an option.

[hasty coyote]

Exactly. That’s why it’s more difficult to deal with utahs. You actually need to kill them, but lack the damage to kill them quickly.

Just made a post about it lol

[hexed sorrel]

but 2 utahs SHOULD kill a pachy imo

[keen plover]

Also if they manage to pounce you, you better hope nothing else is around

[hasty coyote]

I NEARLY escaped a 1v3 after I got pounced. But I found a cliff the hard way right as I healed bleed

[hasty coyote]

1v1 should be pachy sided, but a utah can outplay.
1v2 should be utah sided, but a pachy can outplay.
1v3 should be basically a utah win unless there is a major skill gap.

[hollow canyon]

I absolutely agree

[somber sphinx]

^

[hollow canyon]

Pachy as I said might be the one case where Carno is more scary than Utahs but... even that is questionable

every other animal(aside from Deino which doesn't care about either Carnos or Utahs) is more scared of a pair of Utahs than of a single Carno

[keen plover]

I can agree with that

[hollow canyon]

I'd much rather encounter a solo Carno than a pair of Utahs as a Tenonto, Utah, Stego, Carno and even Dryo

Carno's just easier to deal with

[hexed sorrel]

how about make alt attacks from pachy cause more damage but use more stamina?

[dusky surge]

i mean, pachy already does crazy damage for its size on alt iirc

[keen plover]

alt attack is fine as is

[dusky surge]

i still want the "headslam" move to do more damage personally

[hollow canyon]

Honestly the main issue with Utah is just how absolutely pathetic bucking is

[hasty coyote]

That would heavily depend on what the numbers are, pachy already suffers from low stam

[hexed sorrel]

idk, it seems like its diverting its entire body weight. it shoudl cost more stamina but do a lot of damage aswell, maybe not make it as spammable

wait how much damage does it do right now?

[keen plover]

alt attack? like 80-100n? Haven't really checked

I think it's closer to 80n

I think the 'finisher' idea is best

Also works out well with the concept art??

[hasty coyote]

Personally, I like wavepool’s idea of giving the headslam a use. That way you have 3 attacks with different uses, instead of 2 attacks where one does too much.

Ram for stun and bone break, great against larger targets and still good at smaller targets if you can hit them.

Alt is wide and does cc and decent damage. Good for a startup against smaller targets.

So if you add damage to one of these, it starts to become a bit too good, so using the already existing ability of headslam as a finisher would work well with pachy’s main issue currently.

[hasty coyote]

Thought it was only 60 currently.

[keen plover]

[hasty coyote]

I’d have to test later

[keen plover]

Probably not a crowd favourite idea, but letting a handful of people test and find out values for each attack is kind of odd. Should be given to the public. They already give out the values for bites.

[hollow canyon]

^^^

it's absolutely incomprehensible why the devs are trying to keep those hidden

it's supposedly so that we don't calculate stuff and create a meta

[keen plover]

From testing I know teno slam does like 250 while kick does 275n. Who in their right mind would know that if they played the creature.

[hollow canyon]

but... we do it anyways

and meta is always created

[keen plover]

I know the values though

[hollow canyon]

it's unavoidable in a multiplayer game

[keen plover]

Or close to it anyway

Like if I went in and tested each attack, I could probably come out and know what each attack does. It doesn't stop the meta, in fact - all it does is further bridge the gap between players

[hollow canyon]

META is merely the most effective tactic available, there will always be a better and worse approach to anything and everything

e.g. a tiny change in where the nutrient plants spawn shifts a meta for a herbivore

moving its optimal spawn from one place to another

old U4 meta for Teno was spawning in NW, now it's Centre

the devs should just stop trying to prevent this from happening, they are unable to do that it's literally impossible to prevent a meta from happening

[keen plover]

The only thing we know is the bite damage of playables, which is carnivore biased if anything, since that's one of their actual tools.

[hollow canyon]

the only way we would be putting in so many ways to do everything in the game that it would be impossible to come up with one best solution

[keen plover]

Meta is unavoidable. I'd say just make values public. Not bleed though? idk how that even works.

[keen plover]

That would be hell. Just accept metas occur. Give us those funny values

[hollow canyon]

Oh no, it wouldn't be hell, that would actually be really nice

imagine if you had so many options of spawn points to choose from and so many approaches to growing a dinosaur that it would be impossible to choose one that is the best in every situation

that sounds really nice in my book

more options = a better game

less options that are more clear and obvious = a worse game

[dusky surge]

... not always

game design is all about knowing what options you can and can't give players

ideally, you give them the most you should, but not as many as you can

[hollow canyon]

I'm specifically talking about things like spawn points, nutrients and choices on the map

if there are advantages to using every spawn point

that are different to the other spawn points

and different ways of growing a dinosaur that are in some ways better and in others worse than others

then that's a very good thing in my book

[keen plover]

I guess that's fine.

Do you think carnivores will know where herbivores will be migrating?

Completely off balance, but thought it was an interesting question

[mellow zenith]

Just like moving deino (deino diet list) from the lines nutrient to the S nutrient is good. Its no perfect because people still don't get the fact that deino is cannibal but i like this change a lot

[frail bobcat]

I do not know what they mean with the migration system, I am guessing that spawns of plants will change over time

[hollow canyon]

Indeed, I love that change actually

All the Deinos that are into cannibaloing love that change

and I play Deino just to go full on cannibal on my own kind

[hasty coyote]

I love the diet change for pachy, moving them to the coasts solves 3 problems at once:
1: a reason for cocos
2: moves them away from tenos
3: MOUNTAIN GOAT PACHY LETS GOOO

[keen plover]

maybe. FIND OUT IN UPDATE 6!

[frail bobcat]

Mountain bonk

[somber sphinx]

Kinda wish we get a rocky area for pachy but homalo would live in the mountain and mountainsides with pachys

[hasty coyote]

Honestly, if they just made the beaches more habitable and put ledges, caves, and stuff along the rocky walls, then it would work perfectly. Then homalo would have its own rocky territory somewhere else.

[somber sphinx]

I love it, and I feel velo woukd also live in both those areas bc of proto and homalo

[dusky surge]

velo should live everywhere imho

[winter iris]

well, it is actually a magnet (if you deny it you're simply saying something that is objectively not true), and also the recovery time after a failed pounce is ridiculously low. It is also true that finally pounce is working, which is a very good thing to see. It is also good that you can't face tank groups of 6+ utahs as a carno

I don't fully agree on the blood pool, but that is just my opinion of course. I think it is a bit too easy now for a utah to bleed out a carno, but this is my view.
On the hunger, yes it is probably too fast but I think until there will be more playable dinosaurs it'll be one of the most effective ways to limit carno population

[wispy kite]

Maybe it just seems to you to be like a magnet, because you are used to Utahs failing 90% of their pounces.
Or you have some connection issues.

[winter iris]

it might also be my connection of course, and also I might be biased by bugged pounce in the past. But I have played utah in U5 and it is really easy to pounce correctly. Also, when you pounce from the front you're basically teleported on the side of your target, which is also a sort of magnet. But on this last point I am (and I've always been) of the idea that pounce from the front or from the back should almost not be allowed (or at least the success % should be quite low), whilst it is currently one of the most used.
On the other hand, I'd agree that a pounce which is also based on timing, positioning and skills is basically impossible because everyone plays with a different connection and from different machines (more or less powerful). That's why I'd firstly focus more on increasing the recovery time after a failed pounce, and I'd slightly adjust carno's blood pool (either a small increase or not draining it so fast when you're just walking)

[rapid flicker]

I like this idea

[hexed sorrel]

who the mf that said carno dies to 2 pounces LMAO

[hasty coyote]

If anyone would like to say why they dislike my suggestion in #balance-feedback I would love to hear your opinions.

[slim dragon]

Because eat grass and die

[hexed sorrel]

Intelligent specimen

[hasty coyote]

Only reason I can see is that most people misplay, get hit by an alt, then get leg broke and die.

But leg breaks are inconsistent. I think 1 or 2 of my rams so far have actually gotten leg breaks on utahs, and one of them I ambushed the utah and aimed for the leg while they weren’t looking.

[half girder]

all pachy needs is a slight dmg buff

i dont see myself downward slamming

[hollow canyon]

I can tell you very easily even without reading your suggestion, the reason is: #Utahmains

You just need to look at who reacted to it and it becomes very obvious

I haven't read it but my bet is that you want Pachy to be stronger vs Utah

that's my presumption based on the reactions to your suggestion

[hasty coyote]

Which is understandable. But personally I think giving the headslam a purpose would be both interesting and solve the main issue with pachy’s current attacks: if they have enough damage to kill, then they give too much.

[slim dragon]

Utah mains definitely
btw should being toxic in reactions be bannable ? One of them literally wrote "fku" with them

[crude blaze]

any toxic, aggressive, or passive aggressive behavior is against the rules of the server. so just tap a mod.

[hasty coyote]

Basically: pachy lacks the damage to end the fight quickly, but a single utah pounce can be game over for pachy. So I gave some ideas to allow pachy to deal with utahs easier, while not impacting the carno matchup.

[hollow canyon]

Honestly worth asking because that's kind of against the rules as far as I can tell

[hollow canyon]

sounds fair

[crude blaze]

honestly I've always thought body fractures weren't limiting enough

[half girder]

i just dont think the same, if you go against a grp thats not bad at the game thats a free pounce

[slim dragon]

Fractures should have severities

[half girder]

i really think a dmg buff will do

[slim dragon]

With max severity being far worse than current ones

[crude blaze]

yeah idk
body fracture right now is just ..'you run weird and run out of stamina quicker'

whereas head or leg are extremely crippling

[slim dragon]

Maybe devs could make it so receiving a body fracture instantly depletes a chunk of your stamina, depending on its severity ?

[half girder]

i mean it should have that dmg when it slams but that wont solve it much

[crude blaze]

you know
that would make sense since I'm guessing it would 'knock the wind out of you'

[hasty coyote]

Probably, but that’s where pachy suffers anyway. If you’re bashing or alt attacking a utah on the ground, then another can come pounce you anyway.

Pachy’s main strength is head on fights, but is weak to surprises and pack tactics while alone.

[slim dragon]

Doesn't Alt-bite parries pounces ?

[half girder]

some pachys dont spam the alt bite, plus u get more dmg offf if u do anyway lol

[hasty coyote]

If you hit them mid air, I think so. I know ram does

[hollow canyon]

Pachy's alt? Yea it does

[crude blaze]

honestly my opinion with the pachy utah match up is
pachy can't counter a failed pounce right now

the utah gets back up instantly and runs off

[hasty coyote]

Essentially, the head slam is to replace the spam alt bites. Ram for a quick fracture, slam for heavy damage.

[slim dragon]

Does being parried make utah stay on the ground for longer ?

[crude blaze]

sometimes

[hollow canyon]

no it's just a normal knockdown

[crude blaze]

other times it like bugs in the air and gets stuck there and it's really weird

[hollow canyon]

knockdowns from what I've heard(haven't tested it) all work basically the same

they are like a global thing

[hasty coyote]

Not really, unless they were high in the air and are falling, but that’s an extra 10th of a second at most

[slim dragon]

Hm
SO shortening knockdowns also nerfed that aspect of pachy

[hasty coyote]

Yes, absolutely

[crude blaze]

it nerfed everyone against Utah lol

[hollow canyon]

well it just straight up buffed Utah pretty much

yet another Utah buff in a long, long list of those

[hasty coyote]

It did help with carno matchup for pachy tho, a charge isn’t guaranteed death anymore.

[hollow canyon]

yea no, if you get hit with the charge you should die

[half girder]

yeah

[hollow canyon]

unless the Carno gets distracted by others

[hasty coyote]

You really should

[hollow canyon]

or something

getting hit with the charge is a bit Darwin-award worthy

especially as something as small as Utah/Pachy

As in - I don't think that Carno should be oneshotting stuff with the charge

[half girder]

idk

[hasty coyote]

I’ve been hit by it recently, but that’s because the carnos were actually smart enough to send one out as bait, then a second came from behind. Still didn’t get me though lol.

[hollow canyon]

oh I did get hit by it every now and then too

mostly while having the game minimised and watching something in the background

which - admittedly was absolutely Darwin-award worthy on my part

[hasty coyote]

Lol

[hollow canyon]

And honestly - charge is kind of like a Utah

it gets far more lethal the more charges are coming your way

if you're up against multiple Carnos charge which in normal circumstances is a pretty useless piece of garbage of an ability suddenly becomes really scary

because it's just difficult to keep track of 4 Carnos circling you like sharks at once

[hasty coyote]

That is until you break all their legs

[hollow canyon]

which is honestly one more reason why I'm not too fond of this ability for Carno, it's just silly that Carno of all things gets such a big power-up from grouping up

I think this animal should be really strong on its own but pretty garbage in a group

[hasty coyote]

Personally, I’m fine with it grouping a bit and getting stronger. It’s a small mid-tier, not an apex. It will just have trouble finding enough food.

[hollow canyon]

"a bit" at most

[hasty coyote]

Like the normal packing, up to 3

[hollow canyon]

I don't think a small game hunter should be grouping up much

yea 3 is... reasonable

[hasty coyote]

Not these swarms of 5-10

[hollow canyon]

I'd personally lower it down to 2 but that's me

and I don't think the fact that it's a mid tier should matter much

Allos should group up to higher numbers than Carnos

Carno is just a specific animal that has little to no business grouping up - it hunts stuff smaller than itself which should mean that sustaining a group should be difficult

[hasty coyote]

Allos should be 3-5 max, so not much more.

[hollow canyon]

it's also just really unfair when you're something smaller than Carno and a whole pack rolls into the neighbourhood

Idk and don't care for specific numbers, they should definitely be higher than those of Carno

3-5 sounds good to me if apexes get to be just solo tbh

which I'd be absolutely in favour of

I wouldn't let those folks group at all

[half girder]

pachy vs pachy needs work

[hasty coyote]

yeah the “jousting” mechanic is broke atm. You just both break your ribs, and any bone break is basically a death sentence for pachy.

Most cannibal fights need work tbh, except teno. Teno is basically perfect atm .

[somber sphinx]

Allo should be a pack animal (1-5) while Alberto should be a solitary/groups animal (1-3)

[hasty coyote]

Sounds good, allos are more likely to rely on bleed and longer hunts so larger groups makes sense. While Alberto just straight up mauls you.

[somber sphinx]

True and I would like it to have a latch to help that. Here’s my idea on it: Albert’s latch would Depends on the size of the animal that Alberto is latching/holding: if it was smal like a utah, dilo ect then it would pin it and maul it, if it was around 1-2tons then Alberto would still be able to hold it in place but it would drain its oponment’s stam and they could also buck, if it’s in the 3-4 ton range like a pachyrhino then it could still walk while the Alberto is holding it but it would still drain stam

Or instead of stam mabye it could deal damage

[wispy kite]

@errant plinth
#balance-feedback message
Everyone always talks about 2 pounces, but that’s 2 full pounces and a solo Utah is not capable to do that, except if you are a crap Carno player. And even if you get 2 full pounces, you will not immediately fall over dead. There is still time to fight, and if you win then you lie down and heal.
All those Carnos that are complaining about dieing to Utahs are trying to fight like in U4, standing still and biting around.
The good Carno players are running in and out with their charge, as if they play fruit ninja.

The carnis are finally balanced in relation to each other. The main issues are now found in herbie balance. Especially way too long grow times. And a pachy that needs a recovery buff that rivals the one of the Utah.

[frail bobcat]

@silent isle the carno had a bite range in u4 that was waaaay bigger than its real bite, that change had to be made

[hasty coyote]

They also lowered tail tip damage, so you may have been bit but took basically 0 damage.

[silent isle]

Yea but they made it tooo bad, Ik it was too big before but they need to find a middle ground for it, I literally ran into its face and bit it and when he did his bite it went through me but somehow didnt land

Like the animation went through my neck lol

[hasty coyote]

I’d have to see the exact scenario you were in, but the carno may have bit too early and missed, but played the animation on time for you.

[silent isle]

Hm, maybe, Ima record my gameplay next time I fight one

[hasty coyote]

Past few times I fought a carno, the bites seemed accurate. Maybe a bit to small hitbox, but good for the most part.

[hexed sorrel]

perhaps you bit too early, thats a common error people do

[silent isle]

I was the utah but ye maybe he did bite too early, but it happened twice and it j confused me on how I didnt get hit

[hexed sorrel]

@long plaza tbh deino gets shit on by a stego so I wouldn't fight it even if it was on the carbs diet

[long plaza]

true but Stegos play really risky from time to time facing 3 Deinos and die. still does not feel rewarding if you kill it.

[hexed sorrel]

I guess

[hollow canyon]

it didn't

[hollow canyon]

aaand it wasn't

Carno's bite range was absolutely ok, it was just bugged

If the devs actually nerfed the range on the bite then ngl they messed up

and it does sound like they simply nerfed it

I will have to test it again at... some point whenever I feel like getting into Evrima again I guess

[silent isle]

No, carnos bite range was too big on top of having desync issues. I tested it before the update while standing still and it could bite too far in front of it, they did reduce its range but by way too much. That always happens for some reason though, overcorrection. They need to find a better middle ground for carnos bite range

[hasty coyote]

Aken I thought you had the clip showing it could bite something 3ft from the mouth?

[hollow canyon]

Yes, I was the one who made that clip circulated around discord

but that was not a range issue

[hollow canyon]

yes you could bite from far away but again - not an issue with range

that was caused by a bug which for all I know might still be present in the game

Idk it will just have to be tested again

[silent isle]

Bruh theres a bug attached to everything in this game wtf lmaoooooo. Too bad we're gonna have to probably wait half a year for corrections to be made

But I didn't realize it was a bug, maybe carnos current hit range is a bug too lol

[hollow canyon]

it's not, the patch notes say that they decreased the hitbox

the issue is that previously you could extend the bite socket by placing a camera at a specific angle

that's how you could bite stuff from a certain distance

[silent isle]

Ik but im sayin maybe theres another bug with it now that makes it even worse, who knows tho

[hollow canyon]

if they made the bite socket smaller than it likely means it will now work as intended when you place the camera in a given way but it will likely miss when you have your camera set in any other way

but I might be wrong perhaps it's just fixed now, this is me just theorising about it based on what the devs have said in the patch notes, I haven't had issues as Carno myself(then again I've barely played it on this update since I think it's not really worth it)

[silent isle]

Ive had a ton of issues playin as carno, especially when something small is below me even when I have my camera looking all the way down, and as I said earlier I was a utah against a carno and it looked like it bit me twice when I collided with it but I never took damage and was j so confused. Im in the same boat, not touching carno till next update

[hollow canyon]

I've tested it now, the bite works as intended

the camera-work is just a bit questionable

you have to look above Utah for your bites to land

if you look right at it - you will be missing bites that should be landing

it's just caused by how camera works with attack tracing

the furthest point of your attack is actually above where you're looking

it's quite unintuitive

but the bites land when they should in terms of how they're landing

[silent isle]

Bro thank you for testing this, ima try carno again now to see if I can get it to work, but yea that really is unintuitive because how are we supposed to figure that out

[hasty coyote]

Interesting, good to know.

[hollow canyon]

well... testing stuff basically

I'm not sure if this is the case for every bite

it's definitely the case for Carno and it is most noticeable on it

since it's a very tall animal

the fact that it is so tall is likely why this occurs tbh

[hasty coyote]

Also, do you know pachy’s current alt attack damage?

[hollow canyon]

I haven't tested that

I only got to test this quickly because I have work tomorrow in the morning

didn't have time for more in depth test for other stuff

[hasty coyote]

All good

[hollow canyon]

in general it would be nice if they made it so that the furthest point of attack is at the level you are looking at, it's a bit counterintuitive with how it is set up now but as it is you just have to take that into account and aim above your target

[errant plinth]

theres that if again, bluntly a solo utah should be fucked if it fights an adult carno unless the carno is an idiot is lagging or already hurt from another fight, that incentivizes them to form packs to be safer from carnos as encountering one alone there is no question you're guaranteed to lose unless the carno is an idiot trying to face tank or already hurt, a lone utahs priority when coming up against a lone adult carno should always be getting away or trying to scare it into leaving via bleed or making the carno think think you have a pack so you have an opening to get away.

i see the carno utah dynamic as mountain lions vs wolves, alone a wolf is pretty much fucked if it goes up against a mountain lion it might give it a few scars to remember it by but largely if it tries to stay and fight its probably gonna lose, but the roles are reversed once the wolf has a pack.

[azure crescent]

except unlike utahs, wolves have a shit success rate in hunts

Carno’s bloodpool wasn’t even nerfed, just the bleed multipliers

it still has 1.8 k blood, it just depletes faster

if you play it smart you’ll usually be fine

but again there are times where you simply will die, and that’s fine

[half girder]

60

[fresh laurel]

I dont think thats right

[half girder]

is it less?

[fresh laurel]

more...

has to be more...?

[half girder]

uhhh i dont think so lol

[fresh laurel]

I dont think pachy alt does less than Utah bite...

[half girder]

idk

[dusky surge]

@versed rune very little animals enjoy eating stomachs or intestines, these areas are often left for last due to the fact that they're crawling with germs, bacteria and fecal matter, intestines are much more often the food of a scavenger and are rarely the first choice of an animal.

Hearts, brains and lungs would be three far more valued organs than intestines. IMHO, organ preference should be dependent on animal (carno dislikes rotted food and intestines, cerato is fine with intestines and rot).

[versed rune]

so you downvoted it because i used the wrong organs that most animals dont prefer? just rename them to lungs and brain then lol

the idea still stays the same

[dusky surge]

even then, i still dislike the concept of the diet system being so simplistic

for example, i'd like it if fish had a dedicated nutrient for piscivores

bone marrow for animals like rex

[versed rune]

i wouldnt mind that either

so long as its a step up above what carnivores have now

so many corpses end up just being wasted

im actually playing my carno rn and i killed a sub stego, didnt even bother eating it cuz its not in my diet, i just went and found a pachy instead lol

cuz eating the stego wouldve meant im filling my hunger without filling nutrients, which means that i cant fill my nutrients as effectively when i DO come across a new nutrient

[grave veldt]

Takes 8 alt hits in body to kill Utah so idk the specific number but it’s somewhere from 55-65

[sonic flame]

@analog mirage this is just nitpicking, but Carno's hunger drain was never changed

it's been the same since the animal was first added to the game

[analog mirage]

Food removed per tick increased

[stark knoll]

"Hunger intake"

[opaque beacon]

that guy never agrees with anything lmfao

[dusky surge]

i gave my reasoning lmao

You seriously still mad at me for a mild disagreement over utah? Don't shittalk me and pretend I won't see. I don't disagree with shit for the sake of it

[opaque beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/calm-down-jamal-chill-hands-gif-18830727

[dusky surge]

Why are you genuinely so obsessed with me that you came into a convo over two hours after it ended so you can talk down about me? I disagreed with you, cope.

[opaque beacon]

No because its funny to see your chats with casper

[keen plover]

Can't wait for carni diets to change. Then I can be a real scavenger ptera with dietary buffs

Just watch from the outside

reap the rewards

[dusky surge]

yea

i hope "organ preferences" would be a thing

honestly, you could make sucho's diet as simple as

• fish
• high-nutrient organs (lungs, brain, heart)
• fresh meat/fish (little to no signs of rot)

and it'd still be good

[keen plover]

Yeah that's great imo

Lmao mid typing I just saw tenos betray each other

Terrible

[dusky surge]

sucho being able to live predominantly on a piscivore-based diet is fine imho

like, you can't expect SUCHO to be winning many hunts

its a slow fish eater that primarily defends its own territory than goes out hunting

[keen plover]

Also works with its description

"The Suchomimus finds itself in a unique spot in the ecosystem, able to traverse the land and thrive in the shallows. Large and powerful enough to deter most predators, whilst lacking the speed and stamina necessary to hunt most land based creatures. Instead relying primarily on a diet of fish, the perfect animal to deploy alongside the long awaited Fishing Mechanic."

[dusky surge]

exactly

[keen plover]

2/3 of its diets come from fish, but it can get the third by bullying people off kills

Which is totally fine

[dusky surge]

for cerato, it becomes more complicated

the issue is making it that nutrients aren't a breeze to get. With the addition of organs and rot, a corpse will have limited nutrients for a limited time, so get in fast

a rotten corpse stripped clean has little value to anyone but the scavengers

[keen plover]

yeah this works best for carnis

[dusky surge]

yea, its finding a balance between fair and challenging

[raw reef]

its not because its good again,it grows too fast and its funny jurassic park carnivore lmao

[keen plover]

True, which is why it will never die down

[raw reef]

also they just made its pounce impossible to miss so

that didnt really help

[dusky surge]

true lmao

[lament current]

I dont know if this is the right channel but ill try my luck since i want to get some feedback of my soul that is rly frustrating me right now. Right now iam at least trying to play as carno and get him to adult stage. A mission i couldnt get to right now since 3 simple reason: Reason number one: The stamina drains so fast as carno when your over 75 percent it feels AND the hunger of the carnos goes down soooo freaking fast. And the AI spawn is just waaay to low to get against it with. Its hard to find other players by times and the ai spawn is so low that i simply starves to death many times cause i cant get enough food and since the stamina goes down so fast i also cant travel around to find other players. I had it not 5 or 6 times or trys where i simply starves to death at around 95 percent cause i couldnt find enough food.

But theres another problem to it: Those nights are why to "often" in my feeling and also waaay to dark. Its pitch black by times. And due to the problems i already just told this gives me often the last kick to death. The day is too short for hunting enough, also i just cant due to stamina, i cant find any ai even with spawn maps or not enough for me alone and for sure not for an pack and on top of it there these looong pitch black nights where you just can lay around in the dark waiting for light.

It happens many times that i have to simple log off for the night since iam already close to death due to starvation and when night hits i have no other chance to log off cause the hunger goes so fast down I wouldnt survive the night.

So what I feel like about Carnos: They need either faster walking speed so i can travel due to low stamina or higher stamina over all. increasing the ai spawn by 4 times or so. I mean carno is a pack animal for at least 3 carnos but even me alone cant survive on food. INCREASE the hunger of the carno. It cant be that a carno needs like 3 adult carnos to survive an hour. Its not a bluewhale stomache. So either increase the hunger overall for hunters OR increase the ai spawn. but dont put hunger down so much and the ai spawn also. And PLEASE do something about the night. Mike it so you light so you can at least hunt somehow or give something like night vision. But beeing forced to just lay down and look at a pitch black mirror is not fun at all.

BTW: Am talking about Evrima. The most beautiful in my opinion. Such a big fan of the map. Even there many balance problems

Like a grown carno has nearly no chance against a 1v1 against a grown Teno i mean.... Chaws, and razor Sharp mouths against a tail is losing? Common... but thats another thing..

and that a tails make more bleed than razor teeths? ok^^

Greetins 🙂

[raw reef]

try balance feedback this is discussion lol

[true ginkgo]

it's funny how it's the same few people wanting endless buffs for utah.

utah wrecks everything right now when played half competently in a small group.

[frail bobcat]

Who lol

[true ginkgo]

not going to name names, but there are literally people using alt accounts to spam clown emojis on suggestions.

[frail bobcat]

Why do you think they are using alts?

[true ginkgo]

Having the same username and profile picture on multiple accounts kind of tips me off.

[frail bobcat]

Ok then its stupid of them they should at least get creative lol

[azure crescent]

or just to downvote

most downvoted suggestions in balance feedback have 2 accounts that belong to the same person, "spite"

as in literally the same name and pfp

[true ginkgo]

Sneak: 100

[keen plover]

[keen plover]

You weren't kidding about it all being utah related geez.

[frail bobcat]

Lol

[azure crescent]

it's usually on things that involve utah getting negatively impacted

be it directly or indirectly

[dusky surge]

i love it when you can tell someone is a utah main by pfp and username alone

dont even need to talk to them

[azure crescent]

very true lol

[frail bobcat]

Is mr. Utah in the back of your head lol?

[azure crescent]

a thing i’ve noticed about utah mains is they tend to get somewhat personally offended when someone talks even slightly negatively about utah

[dusky surge]

Nah, Mr. Utah is only one in a line of many

[azure crescent]

also how many times have you changed your nickname in the last 2 weeks

jesus

[dusky surge]

It's my bit

I am a walking parody

I think this naming scheme was inspired by a different Mr. Utah

Which is hysterical

[frail bobcat]

Would be funny if you would name yourself Mr. Utah (the cooler one)

[azure crescent]

there’s a lot of Mr. [dino name] out there

[dusky surge]

nah, i already did Mr. Utah (I think)

I've done rex, giga, carno, cerato, troodon, herrera, utah

Only carnivores, since NO ONE wants to be a "Mr. [Herbivore]"

[azure crescent]

i think the nickname you’ve had for the longest time was mr cerato

[dusky surge]

True

[frail bobcat]

Mr. Oviraptor

The negociator

[azure crescent]

based

[dusky surge]

I usually change it based on the current big topic. I changed it to Mr. Giga during the Jurassic World Dominion reveal, then Mr. Cerato with the trail cam of cerato, then Mr. Troodon after the Troodon trail cam

carno is a big topic atm due to bloodloss hence the new name

Gotta remain topical

[azure crescent]

makes sense lmao

[dusky surge]

It was Mr. Herrera for a while but that's not big news atm so I changed quickly. When herrera is big news I'll reconsider

there's a strategy

[azure crescent]

you should’ve gone mr galli when the reddit leak appeared

[keen plover]

But that's a herbi 🤮

[frail bobcat]

So mr. Pterodactylus will be a thing in the future

[keen plover]

Carnivore = cool

[azure crescent]

um actually its omni 🤓

[dusky surge]

Not an epic hunter I'm afraid

[keen plover]

So quirky herbi 🤮

[azure crescent]

mr megalania when

[frail bobcat]

Mr. Stego (epic hunter)

[dusky surge]

when mega is big news

[azure crescent]

its always big news to me

[frail bobcat]

Bro is following the mainstream for the clicks

[dusky surge]

obviously

[azure crescent]

speaking of megalania i'm making a hypothetical stats list for meg

what would be a good speed and biteforce for meg

[frail bobcat]

500 kmh minimum

[dusky surge]

mega should honestly be quite slow for its tier (but good swimmer)

[azure crescent]

faster or slower than teno

[dusky surge]

hmm

slower, 100%

[azure crescent]

37 km/h?

[dusky surge]

teno is confirmed fastest quadruped, so it's 100% confirmed teno will always be faster

[frail bobcat]

He talked about swimspeed

[azure crescent]

i mean land speed

[frail bobcat]

Slower

[azure crescent]

i know

[dusky surge]

land speed slower, swimspeed higher?

[azure crescent]

i asked if 37 was a good speed

[azure crescent]

that makes sense considering komodos swim very well

[dusky surge]

i believe monitor lizards are very capable swimmers

[azure crescent]

oh yeah they are