general-feedback-discussion

[limber hull]

if dryo ends up getting more attacks, it'll have even less reason to be playd

[somber jolt]

Running is always an option

[limber hull]

its just another, shittier combat herbi

[somber jolt]

If its not, that dino is unviable

[limber hull]

why not play teno if you want something that can ACTUALLY fight rather than this thing with a kick and nothing else

[jagged jewel]

if a dinosaur can reliably survive it is viable

dryo can be viable without a kick

[limber hull]

i'd rather a fleshed out evasive herbi than a dryo with more combat options

[hidden pilot]

Otherwise its just stubborn fodder

[somber jolt]

You wouldn't play dryo for the combat, that's not what I'm saying, I'm saying if one wants to fight off a velo instead of running away they should be able to, and spam biting something isn't fun

[jagged jewel]

then don't fight lmao, or use a playable that is actually meant to fight

[somber jolt]

A kick wouldn't require much and it would just be a nice addition

[jagged jewel]

a velo has literally no hopes of catching a dryo that is like 2 times bigger than it

[hidden pilot]

ye no, dryos safe

[jagged jewel]

^

[somber jolt]

What if one enters your burrow? Or a juvie dino. Wouldn't you want to be able to kick it away instead of just spamming left click until it flops

[limber hull]

you could easily peck a velo to death

[hidden pilot]

wouldnt kill the dryo

[jagged jewel]

no because i want to save stamina, or i could just destroy the burrow

it literally takes 3 pecks to kill a velo, i don't see how this is boring

it takes like no time

[somber jolt]

Your gonna destroy your burrow because something entered your burrow?

[jagged jewel]

yes, and then i'll build another one lol

[hidden pilot]

Woah what if you could collapse ur burrow on something

[jagged jewel]

yeah that's my idea haha

[somber jolt]

If you want burrowing to be an actual mechanic you can spend time on then destroying your burrow and building another any time something crawls in wouldn't be fun

[hidden pilot]

what?

[jagged jewel]

again, i don't see the issue of doing 3 quick LMB clicks to kill a velo

[hidden pilot]

English please?

[jagged jewel]

literally takes like 2 seconds to kill a velo as dryo with only peck, it literally has no reason to have a kick to begin with

[somber jolt]

Velo isn't its only matchup it was an example

[dusk meteor]

This does not define viability in the Isle. Anything, even if its total trash, can survive by filling up and sitting in a bush.

Viability must be defined in terms of ability to survive the environment as well as combat situations which dryo cannot do the latter effectively.
Running away is a fine way to survive a battle and it can't really even do that well.

[hidden pilot]

i mean i dont see why dryo wouldnt have kick, just only use it on stuff like velo and maybe troo

[somber jolt]

^

[hidden pilot]

it can run or burrow

[limber hull]

dryo is literally the best animal in the game at running away rn

[jagged jewel]

it cannot do the latter efficiently because it literally does not need to. it is more agile than most predators and it will have burrows

[hidden pilot]

or hypsi

[jagged jewel]

dryo is viable because it can escape when it can't fight

[limber hull]

dryo is better since its faster

[dusk meteor]

Except its pretty slow and has terrible stam, it ability is less helpful than just straight running and no it doesn't have burrows yet

[limber hull]

dryo is the same speed as utah and more stam than utah

[hidden pilot]

dryo is not slow XD

[jagged jewel]

it has more stam stam and same speed as a utah, and has the best agility in the game

[limber hull]

*more stam

[jagged jewel]

even better

[dusk meteor]

Actually I'd say the best animal at running is utah. It can more effective flee since you can actually seee above to grass to avoid obstacles LOL

[somber jolt]

Just running away isn't a playstyle

[dusk meteor]

Yes, it is a playstyle.

Just because you don't like it doesn't make it not a playstyle

[limber hull]

which is why it needs more

[jagged jewel]

this is not true, as a dryo i never struggled to see over foliage lol

[hidden pilot]

Its viable, therefore it is an option for a playstyle

yeah its def tall enough to see

[jagged jewel]

if a playable could both fight and run away it'd be unbalanced

[dusk meteor]

I do. I cna barely see in the jungle as something like utah let alone dryo. The plains isn't where it needs to be to be evasive.

[somber jolt]

Ok I admit I'm being harsh on dryo, I might be trying to defend my point a little too hard

[dusk meteor]

It needs the support of obstacles which most are found in the jungle, where no one can bloody see

[jagged jewel]

dryo is a plains animal i'm pretty sure though

[dusk meteor]

Yes but until it has burrows it sucks in the plains regardless of intention

[hidden pilot]

Finally

[jagged jewel]

also it literally cannot be worse than utah at running if it runs at the same speed, is more agile, has basically the same jump and has more stam

[somber jolt]

Animals shouldn't be forced into certain biomes, they can be encouraged but being forced to stay in one place is stupid

[jagged jewel]

i never said forced lol

[dusk meteor]

Yes it can, because utah as a critter is more popular, which means utahs are more often in groups which means they can relay

[hidden pilot]

Not really, it prevents mix herding and mix packing

[dusk meteor]

And you are very dead if they realise that

So the plains are not a good place for dryo

[jagged jewel]

how does being in a group make you better at running

[dusk meteor]

I just told you can you not read

Relay

[somber jolt]

Utah and dryo are just as agile

[hidden pilot]

[jagged jewel]

what does that mean

[somber jolt]

Utah destroys dryo right now

[jagged jewel]

trust me they're really not, dryo is more agile

[dusk meteor]

A relay is when one person starts and others take over

[hidden pilot]

No dip the size difference is immense

[jagged jewel]

if they're all chasing the dryo simultaneously that cannot happen reliably

[somber jolt]

Utah is faster and catches dryo unless it escapes into the forest

[jagged jewel]

they're literally the same speed

[hidden pilot]

that doesnt have anything to do with something being faster

[dusk meteor]

Dryo cannot outrun utahs effective because utahs come in groups and dryo does not have the stam to outrun a group of utahs that can relay.

[jagged jewel]

like, EXACTLY the same speed

[hidden pilot]

same speed and dryo has more stam

[dusk meteor]

That's why it's called a relay not an everyone chase the dryk

[dusk meteor]

I never said it did have to do with being faster.

[jagged jewel]

if not everyone is running after the dryo, they actually get farther the way from it, and it gets harder to catch

[dusk meteor]

That's not how a relay works. Nyou don't all chase the dryo

[jagged jewel]

also a utah pack would not go through all that just for 1 dryo

[dusk meteor]

People will do anything lol

And it's not very hard

[jagged jewel]

that's not a balance issue

it's a player issue

[dusk meteor]

It could be considered one because even two utahs can pull this off making dryo unable to really work evasive ly in the plains until burroes

One utah can run a dryo out of enough stam for the second to catch it with ease

[jagged jewel]

it literally cannot do that unless it is blocking the entrance to the burrow, and if that happens the dryo can bring the utah away from the burrow and just go back in

[dusk meteor]

It's really not hard at all and I don't see how it's a hard concept to grasp lol
Utahs are essentially designed to work in a group and dryo does not have the stam to compete with that

The burrows DON'T EXIST YET

[jagged jewel]

because dryo is not made to compete with a group???

seems fine to me

[dusk meteor]

That's not true. Dryo is made to be evasive, that means it's playstyle must revolve around being evasive in all situations it could find itself in.

If your evasion suddenly doesn't work wbcause you ran into two, you're a very flawed playable because that removed your only pro

[jagged jewel]

and how exactly is a kick going to help against a group of utahs??

[dusk meteor]

It'd not an I never argued for A kick

I just firmly disagree with you that dryo is viable.

[jagged jewel]

what are you even arguing for then, i thought this discussion was about a kick

[hidden pilot]

Not ALL. That would be too good

[jagged jewel]

yeah because it's not fucking complete yet, i'm saying it would be perfectly viable if it was

[dusk meteor]

Being bale to evasive does not mean that you 100% escape every situation it means that you have the ability to function. If you manage that should be up to your skill

[hidden pilot]

Dryo isnt even feature complete so you cant really argue about its viability

[jagged jewel]

yeah a skilled dryo could absolutely evade a utah duo

[dusk meteor]

The utah duo is the lowest bar rn, not a feat lol

[jagged jewel]

if you can evade a group of an animal that is made to work well in a group, that is a feat

[dusk meteor]

And yes, if its available to play, in the game, you can talk about its viability, and no your bar fir vuability was just some vague survival statement which is why I argued the point

[jagged jewel]

it's not vague, it's literally what viability in this game is

Can you fight it?
If not, then run
If yes, then fight
and vice versa

dryo, even in this patch can run from everything

[dusk meteor]

Survival, yes, but not some vague sense of survival. You can survive by sitting in a bush even if you can do anything

This does not make a creature viable.

[jagged jewel]

what makes a creature viable by your definition then

[dusk meteor]

Anyway you basically missed everything I said on it I'll go get it for you since you missed it

[dusk meteor]

.

Anyway, I'm also finished I've said my peace and now I'm engaging in two very different conversations which have very little understand of what I've actually said and argued for. Lol.

[jagged jewel]

"as well as combat situations which dryo cannot do the latter effectively." because it's not supposed to

if it can survive an encounter with any other playable, be it through combat (which mind you, dryo can fight small things), or escaping (which currently dryo is like the best at in my view)

[jagged jewel]

alr

[uneven mist]

@civic ember there isn’t a quality assurance branch. If you are talking about the stress test then you had to apply to get it but it’s closed now,the application was in April’s devblog but it might open again in the future

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message you cant

[potent arrow]

@stuck heath from what I remember, two thing needed to happen before legacy gets deleted and EVRIMA, which will then, just be The Isle becomes the main branch.

First, all of the mechanics present in legacy, would need to be added to EVRIMA. Once the skin system and nesting in U5 and night vision in U5.5 are out, that part will be done.

The second part to this is for the dinos to be added to the roster. However, I don’t think we’ve been told how many more need to be added before legacy is deleted.

[uneven mist]

They have sayd that the roster or amount of dinos don’t matter

[stuck heath]

But my point still stands..if new players don't know about legacy they can't compare..alot of issues/arguments are because of legacy..also as of now ppl are basically buying a dead game/version..that's not a good look on the devs

[limber hull]

the roster will apparently see HEFTY expansion post U6

[low canopy]

i'm not sure if i even want larger audience to get into evrima as it is, just more people getting impatient with the update speeds

[potent arrow]

I agree that they should drop legacy sooner for those reasons too, but for the legacy players that choose to play legacy instead of EVRIMA, which is the majority of the player base, they would probably feel as if they are losing more then they gain if they are forced to switch to EVRIMA too soon. At least that’s how I see it

However as an alternative I’d like for legacy to be an opt in branch and EVRIMA the main branch until legacy’s deletion as a good in between

[stuck heath]

after U5 are they really loosing that much?and im ok'ish if they put legacy on the beta but at least update the store page to show only evrima

as a selling point of view evrima is far superior than legacy

[dusk meteor]

It would imo be better for legacy to remain as a branch
Legacy and evrima while conceptually aim to be the same, they play very different and are essentially whole different games despite the similarities. The Pele who liked the simple legacy combat might not really like evrima and they backed a totally different game with their money

For the record, I hate legacy but thst doesn't mean that those that prefer legacy don't have a pretty strong reason to be upset if it does get the axe.

[potent arrow]

As someone who only play EVRIMA I would say that they would be gaining more than lose. But for legacy players they would be losing playables.

[dusk meteor]

It's not really for someone who plays evrima to speak for those who prefer legacy. They're losing an experience more than anything and it's hard to quell someone with just telling them they get more if something they isn't necessarily want over what they lost lol

[stuck heath]

ppl see the isle on steam and they remember the whole drama that was recode..if they showcase what evrima has become in 2 years they will see that maybe it was for the best..if i was a dev i would first update the steam store page with evrima and see what responce that gets..if positive then great move to the next step witch is make evrima main and legacy the beta..

[dusk meteor]

The steam store page can't exactly be updated without putting evrima as main branch first
I'd only because it is significantly false advertising and confusing for players who pick up the game and know very little lol

The Isle is uh in a bad spot with it. A good chunk of games that have moved their playstyle have done so early in development, so the response to change has just faded. But most of these games also got a significant benefit from totally changing.. Like PZ, for example. The game these days resembled the original game I basically no way. Things have always been added and removed but the team has also always been very open and loyal to the game.

Evrima doesn't really provide a massive benefit, and nor is this change early in development. And nor is the dev team even that well respected. They kind of have a significant problem on their hands.

I suppose I imagine that the Isle will survive the change just fine, but there's no guarantees of that.

Oh and uh, of course, there ate all the mods which people are losing and that's not an insignificant loss with a game as well established as the isle

[stuck heath]

devs are not respected because they are holding on to the old existing players..they are doing nothing to try and bring new faces to the game..ppl that have the isle on the wishlist visit the store to see if anything is changed but shows nothing new..

[limber hull]

mods were gone a while ago

[dusk meteor]

Mmn you can't remove mods. There's plenty of servers that still use mods, and that's down to them

But removing mods is pretty much just a bad decision all round anyway

And no the devs are not respected for.. A lot of reasons. They're not the most personable people, regularly alienate the fan base, and they have quite a bit of controversy that I'm just not gonna touch but it does make it harder to convince people your idea is a good one lol

[jagged jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-path-of-titans-kaperoo-beasts-of-bermuda-gif-23955312

https://tenor.com/view/beasts-of-bermuda-kaperoo-the-isle-path-of-titans-gif-23526654

@granite locust

[fleet wigeon]

Isle Players can’t fathom a reality in which the largest land animal on earth is an aggressive herbivore

[jagged jewel]

and so is the tallest lmao

and so are basically all ungulates except some whales

[low canopy]

i feel like the education has failed the society whenever doubters about this appear

[jagged jewel]

true

[fleet wigeon]

Personally I like it when the apex is an herbivore

Because carnivores are far more fragile and “cowardly”

[jagged jewel]

most carnivores are fragile

which is why they rely mainly on ambush

[fleet wigeon]

I mean, I wish they had released playables a little bit smarter, but I don’t see the problem with Stego remaining how it is indefinitely

[granite locust]

Well... out of context memes 😉 :p Don't know what caused them to react that way haha

[barren zephyr]

Gentle giant

[jagged jewel]

i'll tell you what caused them to react that way: themselves

[fleet wigeon]

No such thing

[jagged jewel]

zebras specially are dicks to other animals

[fleet wigeon]

There is no such thing as a gentle giant

[barren zephyr]

the gentle giant that can and will crush you in an instant

[fleet wigeon]

All large animals have no problem knocking your ass on the ground and stomping you to death

[barren zephyr]

eats plants, therefore nice

[fleet wigeon]

[fleet wigeon]

@unreal ridge I like the idea but what’s up with pitbulls

[unreal ridge]

Examples

[unreal ridge]

Exactly

[thick quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/dogs-baby-pitbull-aww-gif-8707718

[fleet wigeon]

Stego doesn’t need a nerf, it was just stupid for the devs to release a near-apex herbivore and a mid-tier carnivore as it’s main predator

[cyan flame]

@vast ravenYou do realize 99% of what you said applies to deino too. The only thing a deino fears is another deino. And nothing else can hunt them. They control the entire water system on their own. So if you have a problem with stego, who is more vunerable overall than deino, then deino needs massive nerfs too and so on.

[vast raven]

Exactly so it is IMBALANCED and thus should be nerfed now. It doesn't matter if it's an apex right now, the issue is there's an imbalance between the dinosaurs already released. Just because there's a nerf on stego now doesn't mean they can't undo it later once the game is in a better state with more variety.

[cyan flame]

Sure, now apply it all to deino too. If stego should be nerfed "for the rest of the roster" then deino must as well. It can hunt better than stego, is even more untouchable to everything else, and has even more control, and so on.

[tepid gate]

I don't see why you're saying that Evrima has to be deleted to become the main branch. The most sensible thing would be to move Evrima as the main branch and then wait for legacy to just die off.

[hard pawn]

Deinos also can't kill anything though because they are basically forced to stay in the narrow waterways that take ~2 seconds to cross and they just have to pray that something happens to cross wherever they are whereas stegos have complete control of any area they are in. If a deino goes onto land they are basically useless; I have killed land deinos as a pack of utahs, carnos, stegos, tenos, pachys, literally anything. Stegos, however, are immune on land and in water because a deino can get a couple cheeky bites off before it reaches the other side to then stick its tail in the water and get virtually free headshots if any deino is stupid enough to continue trying to kill it. Deino is hardly what I would consider an apex in the current state of the game; yes, it has the stats of an apex but it struggles to kill anything that can't easily escape it or cross elsewhere once they see a deino in the water (thanks ripples). Deinos are just fish- and deino-killing simulators.

[tepid gate]

newsflash - neither can Stegos

[balmy meadow]

Stegos can kill.. everything

[hard pawn]

I have played stego a lot and I have killed way more in the span of an hour than I did on deino in 10 hours lmao

[tepid gate]

And no - Deino isn't meant to be really meant to be an apex considering we have been told that two apexes are going to be clapping it

[tepid gate]

idk, sounds like a lot of skill issue

mainly on the part of people who are dumb enough to die to a Stego

[cyan flame]

They can kill everything pretty much, bar a fully grown stego. And no one gets caught by stego unless they let it, deino has the better chance due to lunge, to sneak up on stuff. And no, deinos fear only stego on land, nothing of the others, unless they come in megapacks and the deino is very far from water. You have no clue what you're on about. Stegos are far more vunerable then deino on land, sadly enough.

[tepid gate]

but also on yours since you're not killing much as Deino

I've gone on some of the largest killing sprees with Deino

[hard pawn]

It's a skill issue to sit in an abandoned waterway and then see something crossing downriver and, op, I'm there but they already swam across 20 seconds ago?

Sounds like you have a skill issue on stego with your same logic then

[tepid gate]

it's a skill issue to walk up to the second slowest animal in the game to let it shishkebab you

I haven't played Stego since December 2020

it's the most boring garbage playable in the game

[hard pawn]

Yeah, so thanks for proving the point that the only dino currently meant to contest stego still gets curbstomped by stego

[balmy meadow]

Stegos commonly also just stick their tails in the water to "fish" for deinos currently

[tepid gate]

Deino isn't meant to contest Stego

it was never meant to do that

[cyan flame]

Its not meant to. Nothing in the game is.

[hard pawn]

So then nothing is meant to contest stego... which further proves the point

[cyan flame]

And there is the actual issue, if anything

But the point is that deino suffers from the same issue, but even more so

[hard pawn]

Why should there be a dinosaur in game that can't be killed by anything

[tepid gate]

Yea well, that's the roster we've been dealt, technically Utahs are supposed to be able to hunt Stego but they are buggy pieces of garbage

[cyan flame]

There's nothing in there to contest deinos either, they are twice as safe as stego, even on land as long as they have water nearby

[cyan flame]

Why do we have deino then? ^^

[tepid gate]

because game not ready and what not

[balmy meadow]

Other deinos currently!

[tepid gate]

Well you can kill other Stegos as a Stego too

[vast raven]

True. But the stego simps just disagree

[hard pawn]

Other deinos, stegos, and literally anything else in the game if you have even a slight understanding of combat in the game and the deino is on land

[balmy meadow]

Yes but realism wise

[cyan flame]

Im just saying that everything that applies to stego, applies to deino twice over. So stego can kill stego then.

[balmy meadow]

But it makes no sense gameplay wise my man

[hard pawn]

So then nerf the stegos health temporarily until the game balance is there?

[vast raven]

It really doesn't you don't have deinos controlling entire sections of the map due to imbalance. The entire water system was created with deinos in mind. That was the purpose of adding rivers the way they did. Stegos can roam the entire map uncontested.

[tepid gate]

oh no... what a tragedy what will I ever do about that Stego sticking its tail in the water? If only I could swim the other way... oh wait

[cyan flame]

Stegos cant kill deinos unless the deinos chooses to engage them and be in a bad spot. Nothing else can kill them in water and they don't need to go on land. And you can be on land, near water, and be safe vs everything but a megapack possibly. But you can easily kill utah packs, carnos, tenos as well. And you still have that safe retreat that a stego does not have.

[balmy meadow]

Dude, stegos will gang up on deinos and block them in! Theres no need to be rude :(

[tepid gate]

The devs have made it clear that they don't care about how the game is, they balance and build stuff around how it's supposed to work when it's completeld

[cyan flame]

It really does. All of the water. More than the single spot "dam" is. So yes, everything you said, goes for deino far more.

[tepid gate]

I have never gotten blocked by Stegos as a Deino in all my playtime

[balmy meadow]

Im glad you havent then, because it suCKS!

[cyan flame]

Deino players do seem to be rather stupid overall

[hard pawn]

I cannot count the number of deinos I have killed on stego because they either couldn't retreat back to the water fast enough after a lunge attack, got stuck in shallower water, or I bodyblocked them from getting back to the water cause stego is so tanky that it doesn't matter to me if they bite me while I sit there and tail them to death

[cyan flame]

So far 99% of complaints from them could be fixed with "think a bit more"

[balmy meadow]

God why is everyone so rude here

[tepid gate]

Deino is my third most played animal after Tenonto and Carno, I don't play Stego at all, the reality of it is that there's 0 reason for anything to be dying to Stego

[vast raven]

The damn, The Rocks North West, they're able to camp bodies, they can prevent you from getting diets. There's way more than that too that's just off the top of my head. That also doesn't take into account the stegos who mix pack and clear the wall and kill anyone who's there.

[tepid gate]

is Stego a bad playable? Yea, it's garbage

so is Deino, they both don't fit the current roster

[hard pawn]

The same could be said for you. Arguing that "there's another unbalanced dino in the game", which is not even true just btw as that dino is confined to water entirely and you can just... not go in the water, is not a valid excuse to allow a completely unbalanced dino to remain the same

[cyan flame]

Ah yes, the dam. One spot, compared to all the water. The NW aren't that controlled, you can still move there, it's not shallow. But again, that's two spots. Compared to everything for deino. And mixpacking is not a relevant argument there, I've seen deinos at the dam too.

[tepid gate]

Just... don't walk up to Stego? It's really as simple as that, both of those animals are just bad for the same reason

You can just avoid both completely and never worry about dying to them

Deino is definitely more of a threat than Stego though

[cyan flame]

Deino is more unbalanced than stego, simple as that. Every issue stego has, deino has even more.

It's really that simple. Every single issue you can argue for stego, you can look at deino and see it has the same, but more of it.

[tepid gate]

I mean, idk if "more of it"

[hard pawn]

You can get killed by a stego while logging in or, god forbid, you try to take one out as a carnivore as the game is meant to facilitate

[cyan flame]

Don't walk into water. Don't go up to a stego .Except you need water.

[tepid gate]

rofl

[cyan flame]

And you can be killed by anything while logging in...

[balmy meadow]

This argument isn’t going to end if you guys keep putting coal on the fire, just leave it be and click check or X for the suggestion

[tepid gate]

Yes, I guess you can die to a Stego if you log in on top nof one or if you start logging out and it gets "the jump" on you

[hard pawn]

Stego is the only thing that can one-shot you

[tepid gate]

Deino can oneshot you too?

[cyan flame]

Fair enough. I just dislike that people seem to think stego is an issue but deino is not when deino is the far more problematic one.

[cyan flame]

Yes, but if you're being attacked while on login, you're dying anyway.

[hard pawn]

Deino doesn't one-shot anything besides juvies, adults need to be drowned

[cyan flame]

Unless it's like a dryo or something maybe...

[balmy meadow]

Guys

[tepid gate]

It oneshots Utah, Pachy via normal bite and Teno/Carno via lunge

of course it also oneshots everything smaller than that

[hard pawn]

Never had an issue with deinos because, again, just don't go in the water. 100% immune from deinos

[tepid gate]

the only animals that are safe from Deino's oneshots are Deino itself and Stego

[balmy meadow]

Yk what I’m just gunna let y’all argue

[tepid gate]

Well... don't go near Stegos either they aren't going to run you down either

[hard pawn]

Or they act friendly and then one-shot you. Not my problem as I don't get near them but it happens very commonly and there's no escape because again... one-shot

The issue here though is that they are not killable. Deinos are killable. I see deinos getting stomped on the daily

[cyan flame]

And I've never had an issue with another stego, cause you know, I just don't mess with them. Anymore than I would go after a deino in water. Or a deino near water, since in the case that I actually harm it, it'll just turn around and go away, safe and sound.

Why are you letting a random player get near you?

[tepid gate]

They only oneshot the same animals that Deino can oneshot, Carno and Tenonto have to be hit with a headshot to be oneshot. If you are naive enough to walk up to a Stego you don't know and die because of that it's on you, it's really that simple.

[cyan flame]

I would have thought utahs would have thought people that lesson, with pounce/pin :p

[hard pawn]

That's the entire point. Why should a stego get to walk around completely safe all game?

[tepid gate]

Idk, why should Deino get to swim around completely safe all game?

[cyan flame]

Why should deino? Again, this applies to deino too. Stego is still vunerable to carnos and utahs, deino is not. Deino is only vunerable to other deinos, so it's fine if stego is only vunerable to other stegos.

[tepid gate]

They are both terrible because of that but no worries, that will get sorted out

[hard pawn]

They're confined to water. It's an insanely unfun way to play. As stego you still can roam the entire map.

[tepid gate]

Spino will turn Deino into sashimi and Rex+Giga are going to make Stego into kebab

[cyan flame]

That's the thing. Utahs and carnos, tenos and pachies, do not hunt deinos either. Unless that deino is entirely out of it's element and then it's on the deino. But no deino needs to be that far inland for any reason.

[tepid gate]

Well play Stego then I guess if you don't want to be stuck in the water then the croc probably isn't the playable for you.

[cyan flame]

You can, I'll grant you that. But that's not the issue here is it. That's more down to the fact that well, deino is a croc and this is how crocs do it. While stego does get to roam, like any other land animal.

[hard pawn]

Stegos launch themselves in water to bait deinos in because they can tank the bites and then get to the other side and tail whip the hell out of them

[tepid gate]

I play it just fine, I did prefer it when it had a lower water drain and higher running speed but devs did what the devs did

[hard pawn]

You're entirely missing the point. You should probably reread the initial feedback and come back because if you think that's what the issue is, then you can sit here and circularly argue with yourself all day

[tepid gate]

<@&933486433342222376>

could any mod handle this?

[trail zodiac]

👌

[tepid gate]

Thank you

[balmy meadow]

What was even there

[tepid gate]

Fake discord nitro

for "free"

[balmy meadow]

Everyone faVORITE scam

[vast raven]

That's just wrong. I've had a stego invite me to group through a 2 call talk to me for a sec the insta my stego just becuase he didn't want me to "be a threat" so it isn't "just the players fault" when the entire game revolves around player interaction and some people abuse that.

[tepid gate]

Yea that doesn't mean it's wrong, it means you've made a mistake

it is on you if you trust the wrong person and die

happened to me on one or two occasions too

[vast raven]

It mean that I made a mistake having someone two call me then wait until I lay down to kill me?

[tepid gate]

when I died I wasn't blaming the playable/the game or whatever else but myself because it was exactly my fault

[tepid gate]

Yes, that means you made a mistake

[vast raven]

You're missing the point entirely

[tepid gate]

You died to another person that started attacking you while you were vulnerable, it's on you

[vast raven]

Yeah he killed me but the point remains. The other player isn't going to be killed unless another stego kills it.

[tepid gate]

I'm not missing the point at all, you just got lured into a sense of security by someone who had bad intentions and ended up losing your progress

Well yes, a Deino isn't going to be killed unless another Deino kills it too

[balmy meadow]

GOd please this isnt going to end

[vast raven]

No one is debating that's your own fault we're debating over the fact that a stego isn't killable

[tepid gate]

Neither is Deino

[cyan flame]

Relax. There's nothing wrong with arguing and debates, as long as we all remain more or less civil. :)

[tepid gate]

The only thing that kills a Deino that isn't mentally challenged is another Deino really(or probably more like 2 Deinos)

[vast raven]

Talk yourself in circles all you want. A stego can kill a deino. A carno can kill a deino out of water, A deino can kill another deino in water.

[tepid gate]

if a Carno kills a Deino then that Deino should uninstall

[cyan flame]

See, that's the point. Deino is far more safer than stego. A stego does not kill a deino that does not allow it. And a solo carno does not kill a deino out of water, any more than it kills a stego. But unlike stego, deino has the water to retreat to if things go bad for some reason. Deino is far safer than stego all around.

[tepid gate]

a Stego can kill one if Deino too, so can Deino kill a Stego

[cyan flame]

If a carno attacks a stego, and the stego is bad, it can't get away. If a carno attacks a deino, and the deino is bad, it can retreat to water and be untouchable. It also has massive bleed resist, whereas stego has a extra weak head. And so on.

[tepid gate]

if Stego decides to swim along the river and a Deino decides to kill it - it will die, if Deino decides to stroll across the southern plains and a Stego encounters it - the Deino will die

[cyan flame]

No matter how you look at this, in the same matchups, unless deino is so far inland that there's no way out, nothing kills it, whereas the stego in the same position, will eventually die.

[tepid gate]

Let me put it this way - how long have you played this game?

[cyan flame]

And even on land, a deino can fight back about as well as stego, even if it does less damage, it has better ability to actually move and hit and all that. Not by much, but still.

[tepid gate]

And how exactly would you want this match up to go?

For Deino to have a 50% chance of killing a Stego?

For Deino to be outright winning against Stego?

Cause either of those options makes Deino the best animal in the game by far

[hard pawn]

Grow a deino, walk inland, and tell me how that goes for you when you're back in the character selection screen. Then be a stego, swim across croc-infested waters, and tell me how your merry stroll afterwards goes.

[tepid gate]

A/ through how much water do you want that Stego to swim?

B/ if it's actually a large body of water and Stego survives then that's a skill issue on the side of Deinos

[cyan flame]

I don't go out of my element. But I don't mind staying near the shore, but on land. Except for the dehydration, which is more likely to kill me than any player, bar a stego or a megapack. And if I swim across a swamp as stego and there's two adult deinos, I will die if they know what they're doing. Even one stego can probably kill a stego that goes for a swim. But I would still be safer on land as deino, than stego in water.

If you truly think a deino on land, that has water within reach, is killable by anything except a stego, you're.. I'm sorry but what deino stays and fights a losing battle against a megapack when it has safety right there. So no, deinos die on land only if they're so far from water they can't make it back, and if they are, it's probably dehydration killing them, not the attackers.

[tepid gate]

One Deino can clap a Stego that decides to take a dip in a large enough body of water but realistically unless the water is really vast then the Stego will just run off after reaching the other shore

[cyan flame]

Meanwhile, two deinos can kill a stego at the shoreline, if they attack from the water. If that stego is swimming, it will die, since they can lunge it, stun it, block it. And so on. You can not swim across any wider rivers as a stego if there are deinos there. And even then, they can get you if they know what they're doing, because lunge, stun, and so on. So not like even a short distance is all that safe for a stego if there's two or more deinos.

[tepid gate]

can't because it will just run away

although then again most stego players aren't exactly particularly bright thinkers so they might just remain there trying to whack you until they die

[potent arrow]

@tepid gate I didn’t say EVRIMA would be deleted. I said legacy would be deleted and EVRIMA would become the main branch

[tepid gate]

no no, I meant why would you assume that legacy has to be deleted for Evrima to become the main branch

they can just be swapped - legacy becomes the opt in branch

and evrima becomes the main one

that way Evrima has a chance to garner more of a playerbase and legacy can go to the care home before it fades away

[hard pawn]

You've already gotten your answers; stego cannot be killed by a deino unless the stego wants to die, and a deino can be easily killed a stego if they happen to have even the slightest wrong positioning as there are plenty of spots in the river that a stego can get its tail to reach. Everything in the game should be able to be killed by something other than cannibalism, which is possible with deino in a number of scenarios but entirely unfeasible for the stego. Utah was meant to hunt stegos but I allowed an entire pack of them to head bite me 10 times and pounce me 3-4 times and I didn't even hit a screen and healed the bleed in about 45 seconds just standing there. There shouldn't be unkillable dinosaurs in the game. Stegos and deinos have a somewhat fair matchup but considering they can't even fight each other unless one of them decides to cross the water creates an issue. All there needs to be is a temporary debuff to stegos until the game is at a stage where more dinos are added that present competition to stegos. It's boring when a good portion of the server is players that cannot be interacted with essentially because they are untouchable. I see no issue with giving stegos a struggle as it can't be fun walking around until you get bored enough to stick your tail in water and smack at a deino until it moves downriver either. Creating a more balanced ecosystem for the sake of playability then readjusting once apex carnivores are introduced hurt no one and actually helps with the game's playability. If you can't acknowledge that, then I guess have fun in the current state of imbalance. My last message on this because you two are just spitting the same nonsensical argument that has been proven wrong if you simply play the game for an hour. If you wanna nerf deinos too, then go for it, entirely unnecessary, but it doesn't matter since deinos don't really have an option to do anything but eat each other anyway.

[potent arrow]

@tepid gate Unless I’m mistaken that’s what the devs said will happen. I thought it would be announced well ahead of time when legacy is being deleted. Then EVRIMA would replace it. Once it’s actually deleted

[tepid gate]

no? Deino can only die to Stego if it wants to die(or is trash)

Also - what debuff to Stegos would you like to see?

[cyan flame]

You're entirely wrong, there's the actual answer. Deinos can kill stego, sure, it most often takes two, but they can. And deino can not be easily killed by a stego unless it lets the stego kill it. It's not that difficult to stay away from a stego, or to manuever and escape. And no, deino dies only to cannibals, while stegos die to carnos, utahs and so on, small and sometimes even big. UTahs werent meant to really hunt stegos, they're not designed for it very well. If there shouldnt be unkillable dinos in the game, then remove both stego and deino, especially deino. Again, if stego needs a debuff, so does deino. Deinos is by far the worst offender for all of this, simple as that. We can absolutely create a more balanced ecosystem, you just need to take deino into account more than stego, because it is by far the problem here. I've proven you wrong, but you clearly do not understand how the game works, or how numbers works, or anything else. Deinos are far more invunerable than stegos are, that's a cold hard fact. Deinos do not die to anything but other deinos unless they want to die, just like stegos, except stegos have a greater risk of dying to other things than deino does.

How it can be this hard to understand how to use your playable and understand what can and can not be hunted by what is beyond me. A deino in water is entirely safe from everything but another deino. A stego on land is still vunerable, especially during growth, but also while adult, to other things, including deinos when at the shoreline. Everything you've stated, is the opposite way. Deino does not die to anything else except under extreme circumstances, while stego can die in far more scenarios. And stego and deino weren't really meant to have a fair matchup, the current 2v1 is just fine on that account.

[tepid gate]

Yea idk about Carnos killing Stegos, I've heard of such things happening but that's as bad as Deinos dying to stegos fishing in my book

[cyan flame]

It is, my point was more so that overall, stego is more likely to die to the rest of the roster than deino is.

[mild walrus]

What does the player base matter if you've been playing full Evrima servers this whole time? 50/100 slots isn't enough people to make the game feel alive like we are all used to. So unless they add servers that can have 200+, idk..

[tepid gate]

You think it's bad now? Wait until they make the map 4(or however many) times larger.

Let's have a map the size of a small continent and some 100 players spread around it

[mild walrus]

Lol for real

[dusk meteor]

The map is big enough as it is for 100 players tbh
I know they wanna add ai but ai doesn't replace payer interaction very well and is a massive drain on the servers. I'd rather the currently map size with great quality than a larger map with lots of same-y filler areas smh

I honestly don't know why the devs are obsessed with having a massive map. It doesn't work well. It posed serious problems in legacy and is likly to just do the same here..

[tepid gate]

yea I completely agree, this game definitely doesn't need an absurdly large map

and the AI will never be good enough to actually substitute players

[thick quarry]

Exactly

[noble vortex]

I would agree to some sort of temporary steg nerf but, depending on what goes on after update 5 with fixed utah pounce it may not need it.. We will see!

[outer mauve]

If they wanna have a bigger map let more then 100 players be on. We don’t need much of this ai stuff because also with no global chat you can’t always tell what is ai attacking you and what’s not. Sure they’ll be the default colors I’m sure but still. Would hate to be any dinosaur just to get killed by an ai apex.

[sage spindle]

@solid wedge omg that pic perfect

[solid wedge]

an old memory of mine

[proven river]

[uneven mist]

@modest pond we alredy have magy`s consept

[dusk meteor]

It's pretty ambitious. Too ambitious, really. 100 players works well with the map size right now. It's not too big to struggle to learn, it's not too damaging if there's not max players on. They want to increase the map by a lot which means increasing the player count by a lot which bring a host of issues for asize which is working really well for once. There'seven issues with the current map which will maybe be addressed.
They have a good thing and they might just toss it to return to something like the state of V3 which was atrocious and very unfun partly because of the size especially for new players. At least the design of Evrima is better at its core, but we can't really say that'll last or not as the map expands. They might at least plan the spawns better but honestly I dont really have any faith they can make a bigger map work.

On top of that adding lots of more people is extremely difficult. People think desync is bad now? Lag? lol. It can even start breaking weird things that weren't broken before. Even some of the games with the largest capacity for people can still really struggle when an actual horde of people turns up -not that they break but lag can be extreme. And there's nothing that can really by done about it.

[barren zephyr]

@queen ember lol

same topic

[queen ember]

Yeah but idnod was typing and messed up so I redid it for him

[hidden pilot]

@spice stream Dinosaurs arent the same as cold blooded reptiles and we have no evidence of their eggs doing that

Not mention it would be annoying

[civic sparrow]

@queen ember amen, not to mention we PAYED for this game so we deserve to know a little more of what’s going on

[modest pond]

Thanks, someone else also warned me

[barren zephyr]

This is mine.

[hoary notch]

devs are just slow

that’s all

[barren zephyr]

Whatever you say

[noble vortex]

[dusk meteor]

They're not slow at all. They're actually relatively prompt, but they're a small team. That does not excuse a lack of transparency or a failure to communicate. They have a whole blog dedicated to updates, there's really no reason significant details can't be relayed effectively lol.

That said, they may be unable to say what the issue with Epic and/or the engine is. They're a company and have to tread carefully when dealing with another company. And I think Troodon ..is relatively obvious. Not only is it designed to drop with other mechanics it was planned for, but it's also a significant marketing tool. It's pretty disadvantageous to release it early since it's basically the best promo for new mechanics they would have, likewise with other creatures tied to specific mechanics.

So - poor choices in examples but the overall point is rather true.

[barren zephyr]

It's not really disadvantageous to release Troodon before Update 6 in the slightest. It's more advantages than not

[unreal ridge]

boy what the heck is this @modest pond

good suggestion tho 10/10 would read again

[modest pond]

dang I wrote it wrong

My bad

[unreal ridge]

Lol

[spice stream]

Yea that's fair. It was just an idea.

[dusk meteor]

As I just said, it's a marketing promo. I already made my point about it, but

tl;dr it'll make less of a splash if it releases early for marketing.

Players get to play it, but it's a little less exciting and draws a lot less buzz. That's a pretty big disadvantage if you're the developer. As players, we benefit if it's released early because we get some extra entertainment. But we're also going to get to play it anyway, and the only advantage is that we get to play it.. early. Everyone will buzz about it either way, and then it'll sink into being just another one of the roster. That's not really an advantage for the devs.

[queen ember]

Two answers to this. It doesn’t matter since it doesn’t really matter when it’s dropped either way we will play it and it people will come to play it.

The “it’ll sink into being another one of the roster” isn’t a argument as it would happen regardless of when it’s dropped

Dropping at a later date doesn’t make it better or more marketable, just makes people wait longer and the same result comes back, at a later date

Plus the same thing happened in U4 where pachy was given early cause fractures were in 4.

They could very easily just slide Troodon into U6 or before that cause it’s done

[barren zephyr]

Or even U5.5

[queen ember]

Plus, troodon isn’t exactly a marketing tool when like you said “just another one of the roster”. The reason Deinosuchus was a good marketing tool is it was worked on WAY WAY WAY before evrima and was the first non dinosaur playable

Same goes for Ptera as first flyer

[barren zephyr]

Also. Funny Alligator

[queen ember]

Yes

[barren zephyr]

The thing is, there's nothing in game like Deino and probably something that won't be like it

For Troodon...I mean...Dilo exists

[gloomy reef]

@unreal ridge legacy is not getting any more updates.

[unreal ridge]

yeah I know

what is this referencing?

[bleak bison]

@barren zephyr where’s your source for the devs lying about update 5?

[dusk meteor]

Suggesting that timing doesn't matter in marketing is ridiculous. We wait, sure. But overall the game gets a boost, it's the big picture.
And you clearly didn't read very well. just another one of the roster” is not supposed to be a disadvantage or a drawback. It's just the reality so I entirely agree with you and you didn't need to repeat the point in different words - the "either way" should really have given that away. It's a statement about the lack of difference in outcome by releasing it early, versus delaying it and making it, essentially, a mascot for the update smh.

[queen ember]

Or you could simply push everything in U6.5 as a U5.75 and get the exact same result. You could also push into U6 and make it a bigger content update

There’s also a factor of we haven’t gotten a playable since October and I think that alone is enough to get people to come check it out

And waiting to release something already done isn’t as good of a marketing strategy as pushing it out earlier because it is done meaning you get more traction rather than waiting and possibly having more of a dead Spence between updates

[bleak bison]

can they even guarentee that itll relase in the same time frame tho,i doubt it

[queen ember]

No

They cannot

It’s also better to just give us something that’s done rather than delay it cause they set it as 6.5 when it can come whenever

[noble vortex]

We're all like starved dogs for new playables with this small roster we have currently.. In my opinion, for a lot of folk including myself it's not just because it's troodon, but because it's new content in general.. I will be equally excited if not more so about any dino they add

I've tried to get friends into this game but what pushes them from playing is the lack of said content, but sure, 'marketing' I guess

It's up to the Devs for when they want to release stuff in the end

[novel cosmos]

Yeah I mean like they said they have a small dev team but definitely not healthy for the game to have all this waiting, I come back and play every once in a while and just don't expect anything when I come back

[noble vortex]

I think they're doing an amazing job with what they've got

[novel cosmos]

It is a one time payment game after all

[noble vortex]

Plus I absolutely love dinos

[dusk meteor]

New playables don't add better content to the game. Your friends will still dislike it no matter the size of the roster. The game is inherently lacking in things to do while growing, and that will be a significant issue for a long time.
Troodon won't change that, nor any single playable for that matter. It's just a deeper-rooted issue in the philosophy of the game at this stage.

Also, no, releasing thing willy-nilly doesn't generate traction. You've got to plan and calculate what you do to real real, tangible traction and then continue it by following up with something to keep people engaged. Have the devs done that? Lol, no. But Troodon and tying mascots to mechanics for release is, in fact, good for traction. Your underestimating the value of timing and marketing massively, especially in this day and age where content creators can get a mile out of a penny.

I don't think they should be so slow, but that's largely the staunch attitude towards expanding the team. They gain traction and lose it cause they're slow.

[noble vortex]

I said new not better

[novel cosmos]

You're taking what they said the wrong way man

[dusk meteor]

not you

[novel cosmos]

Oh

[dusk meteor]

I've beentalking to others on the troodon stuff throughout the day juuust above what you two started, but slowness just happens to be a point.

[noble vortex]

Haha I see that now

[novel cosmos]

Idk I'd rather them come out with this stuff faster and call it the isle 2 and I'll gladly pay another 30 dollars if that's what it takes

[noble vortex]

Same tbh

[icy lion]

Money won't make it faster

[noble vortex]

Sadly not

[icy lion]

It'll harm the game, actually

[dusk meteor]

I think everyone would rather faster lol
but you can't really rush content and the team is small so it's going to be this fast and that's that

[icy lion]

If evrima was a second game there'd be an insane amount of backlash (rightfully)

[dusk meteor]

Mmmm I don't think so

[novel cosmos]

Idk I paid what was it 40 for monster hunter world expansion

[dusk meteor]

People pay a lot for games, and the isle in itself isn't very expensive. On top of that, if they really wanted to be likeable, they could jsut give evrima for free to those who already bought the isle.

[novel cosmos]

Yeah like it's a one time payment game and if it's a paid expansion with no p2w I don't mind that

[dusk meteor]

Which has happened before on various games, but of course, no indie devs have really gone for it, though considering they'rebasically just replacing the isle it doesn't change much other than maintainence

[icy lion]

At that point, why make it separate?

[dusk meteor]

I've talked before on it but while theisle is a game in development, it's been in development fora long time under the previous code which gained a significant backing. It's not an easy task to convince people your way is better, espeically when the main function of the game right now, the combat, as some pretty significant differences.

The games are different enough for me to hate legacy but love evrima

[novel cosmos]

At the end of the day it's the devs decision, I don't mind waiting but waiting does suck. I just come back play a little then stop so not that bad

[dusk meteor]

Notthat this hasn't been done before,but most games have swapped earlier in development so the impact has been significantly less. Nevermind the large communities surrounding legacy and the degree of alienation for them, since they're essentially being given a giant middle finger.

[noble vortex]

I think people in legacy will be alright once they add nesting, skins and a few more playables imo

[dusk meteor]

That's a very broad statement, but the reality is this:
some will,some wont

[noble vortex]

True

But it is what it is

[dusk meteor]

ad the devs have taken their monetary support either way, arguably under a different experience than what's offered
though the reality of the isle is that it's never been what it said it was haha

[noble vortex]

I just like being a dino

[dusk meteor]

they're also still using legacy to sell the game even though they 100% intend to abandon it

[noble vortex]

Lol, yeaaahhh.. hmm

They should change the info on the steam store imo to match so people know what they're getting

[dusk meteor]

That really should be changed. Evrima should have been the main branch ever since they decided to discontinue legacy, leaving legacy as the opt-in, and the store page should have been updated to reflect the current intent of the game since right nwo it's just like, a flat-out lie LOL

it's nota lie in content but the game isn't going to be what they're showing and we don't know how long that version is even going to exist

[noble vortex]

People would probably prefer the looks and combat of evirma more when deciding to buying a new game

but thats just me

[novel cosmos]

Yeah but there isn't enough dinos on evrima imo at the moment for it to be the main branch

Just doesn't feel complete enough

[dusk meteor]

People prefer different things. A lot of people bought the isle for what legacy is. I just think that leaving the store page at legacy at best is a long-standing oversight and at worst is knowingly using the success, name and fame of the isle [legacy] to give Evrima a jump start to potentially unknowing buyers.

like they don't even mention Evrima or the fact that there are two branches lol

And for me, I literally don't care about having a massive roster. I played legacy but everything felt the same, so what's the point? But that's my take. I know a lot of people like it. But having a big roster in itself doesn't add variety for me. The playables have to feel distinct enough for me to care and they do in evrima.

[noble vortex]

Personally to me, Evrima has these little details that legacy doesn't that makes it feel.. more alive

Even just being able to rip a chunk of meat off a body and run into the bushes with it

Also all the current playables feel very unique

[dusk meteor]

Legacy just feels inferior to play to me as well. Like it just feels like a bad game to play to me. Not only is it buggy enough to actively inhibit gameplay, V3 is the last default map and it sucks really bad, the balance is atrocious and things have just been slapped in because they could with no updating to fit. Progression is a messy grind and sandbox practically always required rules to feel remotely fun.

The animations and models and textures were always nice but everything felt the same, except for the annoying differences that existed for little to no reason, like allo slide. And then on top of that, combat was predictable, boring and very rigid. With wonky hitboxes. How do you even make a left hitbox too big? Why have animations that shove your head forwards so that you might miscalculate and shove your head into death (think acro)?

Like sure, it's got rain - that does nothing but look pretty. I like the night vision. Nesting and group were always reasonable. The skin system never did a lot for me. And then, uh, after all those years of being developed it was kind of just a mess. A mess people liked, but a mess.

Evrima by contrast has a clearer idea of what it is at the current time and that's already putting it miles ahead of legacy in my books. It's buggy, ya. It's got some rough patches to work out, it's overly ambitious in places which it should probably reel in, but considering the difference in time between development and how much better it feels - they're doing a much better job.

Of course, it remains to be seen if the vision will remain so clean into the future.

[novel cosmos]

Hmm idk I think both games have their charm I currently only play evrima. No real reason mostly cause that will be the game going forward and i guess new experiences

But I'm almost at the point where I feel like I like legacy better, and might go back not really sure why

I'd say mostly because evrima just feels incomplete

I play deino pretty much nothing to do on them

I play herbis

[noble vortex]

I absolutely love evrima combat (when it isn't buggy or laggy)

[novel cosmos]

The diet system just feels like a chore and a drain on trying to enjoy running around in the game

Utah just feels useless atm

Carno I never really enjoyed

Looks like they have the most fun in evrima though

[noble vortex]

I mean to be fair you only need 1 diet really and you're fine, also idk about you but I enjoy for drowning poor folk trying to get a drink when I play croc, muahah!

[novel cosmos]

Idk I don't see many people going to the water

Unless it's the occasional baby

And usually don't care for killing babies when I'm a cross because a fish gives more food

[dusk meteor]

I prefer the diet system to "eat this bush, or eat that bush. It's all the same." And also it is optional. You might really want all the diets but that's.. up to you if you go get them or not. The game doesn't really tell you that you have to.
I think it could improve a lot though.

And I also enjoy the combat a lot more. It's more varied and has more factors to consider.

[novel cosmos]

I do like scaring babies that try and drink though

[dusk meteor]

And the not going to water should be fixed next update
sincethey're fixing the gltich spots

[noble vortex]

Really? ;o I grabbed multiple caro and teno crossing at the new center river the other day

Also yeah.. glitched water..

[dusk meteor]

Sometimes you also just gotta know where people will want to drink
I've certainly bullied carnos in the river lol

[novel cosmos]

Yeah I almost never see anyone when I play deino except some stegos but you usually get 3 or 4 bites before they get across I try to body block while biting doesn't always work

[dusk meteor]

(I also think riverside wallowing should return because it's a lot better for deino getting to see more opportunities)

[noble vortex]

I stay away from glitch spots, where I know people cross sometimes

[novel cosmos]

But as soon as they touch land better be ready for the tail spam

[dusk meteor]

Yeeeaahh
Stego is a fat mistake imo. It just doesn't fit well with the current roster. I'dlike it if deino matched up with it better. Hoenstly, deino's btie force is atrocious but I don't see them changing it. And I mostly mean like
for fighting other deinos. It's pain

[noble vortex]

Only issue with the riverside wallowing is that people camp the water (a stego getting attacked by utahs for example)

[dusk meteor]

I think that could be fixed by nerfing riverside wallowing, and essentially jsut now allowingyou to spam it.

Having it available just seems like a much better pro than a con.
Plus sitting there does risk somemonster croc getting involved anyway so it's not without its risks

Evrything has pros and cons. There's never a perfect solution to anything.
But as it stands I rarely even see anyone using the pools for their purpose other than just for the sake of it. I've used one like, once. Once to stop some very minor bleed. I'm just never near one when I need it and they're often not worth travelling to at all unless you're desperate.

[barren zephyr]

Punch literally said it was other issues and not bug fixes u want me send pics? And that he wasnt suppose to tell us about it

[bleak bison]

Didn’t Utah Pounce just get fixed yesterday? You taking my that’s not a bug of some sort?

[barren zephyr]

I think you misunderstood my feedback i was saying they were lying on development on Update 5 it wasn't bug issues but some external issues from which they needed Epic games assistance in order to fix it which was the main cause that's taking update 5 ages to release

[bleak bison]

Ye but wasn’t Utahs pounce a bug that needed to be fixed and only got fixed recently? Maybe I’m not informed on this enough but I swear they told us about the epic games thing like the other day.

[barren zephyr]

Hehehe, developers lying? Who would have guessed?

Literally anyone.

@barren zephyr Instead of a system, I think that idea has more potential in a skill tree.

Where you can choose as you grow. Imo that is.

That way those who don't want to be dwarfs don't just throw themselves off a cliff. Or gaints don't starve due to lack of food.

[balmy meadow]

Incoming very large post soon

[balmy meadow]

I’ll post it tmr so more people can see it but I’m excited to see what people think

[uneven mist]

@tawny wasp in #isle-discussion, the devs appear there and you can Ask questions, just remember you cant Ping them unless its punch but then it needs to be a question

[tawny wasp]

Ok thank's.

Sorry im was AFK.

[broken thorn]

@hard tiger the quality of your burrow and nesting UI selection menu is unreal, great job

[hard tiger]

thanks :) i appreciate it

[novel cosmos]

@ionic torrent not trying to be mean but isn't your eyes good enough just to look around. Something like threat based directional signs just seem out of place

They already have the scent tracking so you can see where dinos are around you and what types

So I guess using your sniffer basically gives you that system already

And then sniffing and seeing dead bodies means hot territory ontop of seeing the amount of monsters around plus being able to see bloodied footprints with the sniffer

[slow blaze]

just optimize the game its so laggy when there is lot of players

[urban flax]

@deep skiff this is the place to talk about feedback

As for my reaction, carno has no business hunting stego, and it doesn't need more of an incentive to go suicide against one

[deep skiff]

Pretty much the same place. Carno are what kill stegos or atleast I kill stegos as carno. Big and small. I do it for the fun of knowing how much time made that person waste. I hate stegos.

[urban flax]

good for you

[limber hull]

this is the best possible response to that statement

[barren zephyr]

very friendly non passive aggressive place

[limber hull]

what

[sick dirge]

Fart Pigeon

[limber hull]

islecord killing it with the responses today

[sick dirge]

Only the greatest minds are found here

[barren zephyr]

[barren zephyr]

average wavepool response

[limber hull]

there is no average response

[gusty hull]

the pouce bleed is deadly or still dificult to kill on bleed?

[sick dirge]

All of Wavepoole’s responses are extraordinary

[burnt bone]

If pounce works, it does quite a bit of bleed. 2 full pounces can basically kill a carno and a bucked pounce can deal 1/3 to 1/2 a pachy’s bleed. The issue is pounce is bugged currently, half the time it just doesn’t work. However, update 5 should fix it and buffs utah a bit.

Plus, multiple raptors pouncing at the same time multiplies the damage. So a double pounce does the damage of like 3 pounces.

[uneven mist]

@rare pond the only mechanic that deino does not have from its consept is its vertical lunge (mabye basking too)

[gusty hull]

ty

[rare pond]

To my understanding, it is "verical lung" and the ability to lung and grab specific body parts, like the deino grabbing the head of the teno

[uneven mist]

Dont think the ability to grab specific body parts was ever confirmed but i could be wrong

[burnt bone]

Plus, concept art isn’t every ability they will have. It’s more of a mood board that includes some of the mechanics they want.

[novel cosmos]

@rare pond yeah that center picture needs to be corrected the stegos should all be drinking water with their back turned to the water

[balmy meadow]

I guess people dont like my suggestion

[low canopy]

i'm not reacting on it, but the idea of dying just for selecting egg or having to ask your parents to kill you for happening to get a bad egg does not make for very compelling game play IMO

[burnt bone]

Personally, I don’t like overly negative mutations that are just death sentences. It just delays the time til you can spawn and isn’t really enjoyable.

However, I do like the idea of stuff like albinism or mutations that help in certain aspects but hurt in others.

[rare pond]

lol right 😄 🥲

[balmy meadow]

Ah, should I remove the others then?

I just thought a two headed dino would be cool to see in game, but if others dislike it then I can

Ill probably delete / repost it with the new updated ones so that I can post the longer versions in the actual post

[burnt bone]

I personally don’t like to change a suggestion, it tells the devs what people do and do not like.

The 2-headed thing would like be something more along the line of strains rather than a natural mutation.

[balmy meadow]

Ooh thats true! I should put that into mind, whats more intense to the point its more strain-like than a simple mutation

[burnt bone]

Strains could work with nesting. But they would have to be the more minimal mutations, so you can’t be born as a baby hypo or neuro.

Personally, mutations could be more like inheriting perks from parents, gaining new perks for free, or unlocking secret perks only by nesting.

[balmy meadow]

I feel like your point about the pros and cons of skin mutations are a good thing I should change, since they would have their possible negatives but also positives, while others only have negs

I could perhaps just change it a bit, making it only skin mutations but each would have their respected negatives and positives, some negatives could be the impaired vision and such

You are very smart

[jagged jewel]

tug of war lunge was planned but the devs scrapped it for god knows what reason, so i won't count that as missing. basking and vertical lunge are indeed missing though

[burnt bone]

If certain mutations only have negatives, most people would just kill themselves. However, something like a pure black melanistic skin would be cool and help you hide in the dark, but be rare and make you more noticeable in the open.
Or having weaker calls can make you quieter, but your talk range is lower and your same species have trouble hearing your calls.

[jagged jewel]

the only type of mutation i accept is the type of "mutation" seen in anthomnia's video

where it's just getting a color or two from a color palette that is not accessible from spawn

[balmy meadow]

[jagged jewel]

albinism and melanism are a big yikes for me

[balmy meadow]

Would you like to help me redesign the skins and what they would have?

How come? People make them ingame already

Plus, theyre natural mutations

[jagged jewel]

they make them ingame and that's fine because it's their choice

getting nested with it is bad because it's not their choice

[balmy meadow]

But thats what.. would make them rare

[burnt bone]

Personally, I think mutations have potential, but would need to not be too strong or too hurtful.

[balmy meadow]

If you could just select it from the creator screen then they wouldnt be rare

[jagged jewel]

yeah in a bad way lmao

[jagged jewel]

exactly, things like albinism should be a player's choice, not rng

you should not get punished for just choosing to be nested in

[balmy meadow]

It would be an extremely rare chance, its not like it would happen left and right

[jagged jewel]

regardless of the percentage it's still a fucking possibility

[balmy meadow]

Jeez dude no need to get hostile-

[jagged jewel]

no player should get PUNISHED for choosing playing the game

[jagged jewel]

i'm sorry i just dislike this idea

[balmy meadow]

It was literally just a suggestion?

[burnt bone]

Maybe mutations would only be for perks and certain colors/patterns. Such as being born and getting a free perk or a hidden one.

[balmy meadow]

Thats why theres a this discussion area, so yall can help me change up my suggestion

[jagged jewel]

i can see the perk benefit, and again, possibly just getting a color or 2 that's inaccessible from the skin making page

[balmy meadow]

Im perfectly find changing it! But I need multiple people to agree before I do

[jagged jewel]

this however bugs me quite a bit

i would like the idea if it was mainly cosmetic

[burnt bone]

Mutations shouldn’t be instant death, too strong, or extremely hard to get.

[jagged jewel]

and maybe very slightly affecting gameplay

but no player should get a death sentence from spawning in

unless you play stego /s

[balmy meadow]

Alright, ill get rid of that section!

[jagged jewel]

alr

[balmy meadow]

Ill probably delete the suggestion to work on it here so Im not just continually editing one thing

[jagged jewel]

that's fair, as long as it improves

[balmy meadow]

——————————————————

1. Skin Mutations: Extremely rare mutations that may affect skin, sight, hearing and overall gameplay. These include Albinism, Melanism and Piebaldism.
   ——————————————————
2. Physical Mutations: Rare mutations that may affect sight, hearing and overall gameplay. These include Deafness, Impaired Vision and Deformed or Missing Limbs/Jaw.
   ——————————————————
   3. Deadly/Rare Survival Mutations: Rare mutations that will either cause a hatchling to die before juvenile, if not already killed by the parent, or to have an extremely difficult time surviving. These include being born Eyeless or Conjoined.
   ——————————————————

Anything else?

[jagged jewel]

the physical mutations can be tuned down to some ornament changes, such as different horn shapes or maybe missing one horn, but not too far such as deafness, impaired vision and missing jaw

missing limbs i can see if it's a useless limb, such as an arm on a carnotaurus

but that's a very specific case

[balmy meadow]

Im ready for any suggestions yall have

Ooh thats true, perhaps some physical could be changed to body type or horns/claws or something

[burnt bone]

Physical mutations shouldn’t make you deaf or missed a limb unless it’s entirely cosmetic. A carno without an arm is fine, since they never use them. But a carno missing a leg… is just asking to limp off a cliff.

[jagged jewel]

a rex without an arm is fine too

or alberto, so on

[balmy meadow]

A good point! We can probably just remove that overall because most dinosaurs use their mouths, arms and legs

[jagged jewel]

deino without a leg can possibly work, however that should be a gore thing

[balmy meadow]

I think that would be more of a "survived a fight" thing

[jagged jewel]

yeah, crocs get like that all the time

[balmy meadow]

Considering gators irl are known for just shrugging off a lost limb

[glacial lily]

to add onto skin mutations i like Vitiligo, something unique and "worsens" when you grow older

[burnt bone]

That could be interesting too

[balmy meadow]

Thats also a cool point! Where it slowly grows

[jagged jewel]

it should only start looking "bad" as elder stage tho

[balmy meadow]

The thing is is that Piebaldism and Vertiligo are seperate conditions

And that it would probably have to be either or

Piebaldism is like Lite Albinism™️ that doesnt spread

While Vertiligo does over time

[burnt bone]

Maybe something like a pachy whose spikes on the sides of the dome just keep growing instead of becoming little nubs.
It would be purely cosmetic of course, but you wouldn’t notice til you were older.

[balmy meadow]

Ooh that'd be interesting for an Elder Model, but probably not ingame as it would probably weight the Pachy down

Okay so

Are we deciding on Vitiligo or Piebaldism?

[glacial lily]

or both?

[burnt bone]

Vitiligo seems more interesting personally, but it may be hard to implement.

[jagged jewel]

vitiligo

[balmy meadow]

Pros and Cons of each

Vitiligo: Born with small white spots that slowly spread along the body, commonly becoming completely white by the time the animal is an elder/late adult. Cons, brighter in later life, may be more sensitive to sunburns in later life. Pros, unique and rather beautiful coat.

Piebaldism: Born with large white spots that do not spread. Similar pros and cons to Vitiligo except that they're at risk of severe sunburns their whole life.

Neither affect the sight or hearing

[burnt bone]

Maybe not sunburns, but more like you’re easier to spot because there are massive white patches that stick out.

[balmy meadow]

Thats true, but if the spots are smaller then it may actually blend in, like how baby deer spots hide them because of sun spots through trees

Fawn thats the word I was looking for

It would depend on the splotch locations but it may help with camouflaged

Of course not later in life when theyre mostly white but perhaps when young

[jagged jewel]

what would sunburns even do to dinos

the only real con that should exist is lack of camo imo

[burnt bone]

Yeah it can help in certain scenarios, but when you’re basically pure white, it’s MUCH easier to see you. I’d think that’s a fair trade off. Look cool, maybe help when you’re young. But become easier to spot when you’re older. Similarly to adding bright colors to your skin.

[balmy meadow]

Maybe slight over-time damage until healed? Im just spittin ideas

Alright, so we're deciding on Vitiligo?

Pros would be possible better camou plus a unique coat, but cons would be-

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[barren zephyr]

<@&933486433342222376> scam links

[edgy harbor]

Ye

[burnt bone]

Ty

[balmy meadow]

Anyways lmAO

[jagged jewel]

imo the only cons should be lack of camo

[balmy meadow]

Valid, would probably be hard to add sunburns, plus they'd probably just be more of a bother

So the pros would be early life camouflage and a beautiful unique coat, but the cons would be a severe LACK of camouflage later in life

[burnt bone]

Yeah, seems interesting.

[balmy meadow]

So we have..

Albinism, Melanism and Vitiligo?

[jagged jewel]

seems good to me

[balmy meadow]

Any opinions on the other two?

[jagged jewel]

i'm fine with all of those except albinism, since its basically lack of camo for all your life

again i just personally dislike albinism, there's people that like it

[balmy meadow]

Thats true, but its one of the bigger skin mutations

Meaning it wouldnt really make sense to add melanism and vitiligo but not one of the most well known ones

[burnt bone]

I’m fine with all of them.
Maybe melanism would just change 1 or 2 color sections to pure white.

[balmy meadow]

That wouldnt be Albinism then is the problem

Any other suggestions perhaps? Maybe an exchange for it or maybe some pros and cons?

People already make super bright skins in Legacy, so I wouldnt see why albinism would really change

[burnt bone]

Personally, most color mutations should just be color mutations. You look cooler, but it likely hurts camo. Same with most cosmetic mutations.

The only thing that should hurt /buff you would be a perk mutation.

[balmy meadow]

Thats a good point

Perhaps albino would have the light skin but unique, red eyes

That wouldnt be found elsewhere

[burnt bone]

A perk mutation would be something such as: your parents were 2 utahs that ate a lot of humans. So now you get the hidden perk “manhunter” which replaces something on your diet with human.

[balmy meadow]

OhoHOH now THATS a cool idea

If youre hatched with this thing you could get a cool game achievement called Maneater or something

@jagged jewel Opinions?

[burnt bone]

However, we would need to see how perks work to actually give the best suggestion.

[uneven mist]

@narrow storm we already have a «new» giga design

[balmy meadow]

Im currently drawing how an albino eye would look compared to a normal one and how it would be unique

[narrow storm]

I know I seen that already but since Apexes aren’t coming out for a while they still could change the designs to them if they really wanted to

[burnt bone]

Should be interesting to see.

[uneven mist]

I dont think they need too, our new giga looks pretty good and i would not like to see a dominion giga in the isle

[narrow storm]

Well I personally think this design is OK…

Just putting out a suggestion and I’m not saying I want it to look exactly like dominion

Like the new spino looks way better than the old

[balmy meadow]

Okay! So this is how you would be able to differentiate a false albino dinosaur vs an actual albino

[uneven mist]

I get that but like i said, there is no reasion to change it and if you want to make out giga look more like dominion giga then you have to wait for mod’s to come back but i dont think they wil be able to do it bc copyright abd sutch

[burnt bone]

Looks good

[uneven mist]

Yeah our new spino looks way better than the paper thin spino we had

[jagged jewel]

sounds good to me

[balmy meadow]

Now to just.. wait out my 4 hour timer

[tepid gate]

Wouldn't be opposed to Giga getting a re-do. It's not bad but it could be better, it has a weird combination of awesome-broishness and blandness that make it meh. It's still one of the better Giga designs in media but it's nothing outstanding.

Idk if I like it better than the JW:D Giga... probably? Not by much though

[balmy meadow]

Ill probably attach the image to the new post, but how should I describe each skin mutation? Should I list pros and cons and such?

Apologies for the pings

[burnt bone]

All good, I got nothing better to do currently lol.

Probably explain how each of them works, why they would be interesting, and what it would affect.
Albino makes every color on your body a pure white. It wouldn’t change any stats or have any effects other than cosmetic. You look cooler, but are very noticeable for your whole life. Unlike vitiligo and piebald, your eyes are given a unique red color. It can be inherited, but it is not 100% chance unless both parents are albino and not related (since you can’t mate while related). Essentially, it’s a rare, purely cosmetic change that makes you noticeable to both friends and foe.

[balmy meadow]

The thing is, how would we make it so the albino gene isnt spread like crazy considering it can be passed down?

[burnt bone]

Players would need to foster it to continue the albino lineage.
If they die before they can pass it on, then they lose it. If they manage to spread it, then they get to spread it.

If it ends up spreading too much we could make it a very rare chance to inherit it, but still higher than getting it normally. Like a 1% chance normally and a 5-10% chance of inheriting it. If anything we could make it not inheritable at all if it truly becomes an issue.

[balmy meadow]

Ooh thats true, they would need to make it to adult in the first place

4 hours left

[barren zephyr]

Uhm..I already sent it out but thanks

[balmy meadow]

Sent what out?

[balmy meadow]

How's this for the albinism description?

- Albinism: Dinosaurs born with albinism are born with bright white skin and unique red-pink eyes. While hard to camouflage, dinosaurs with this mutation are seen as good luck as true albinos (those with the pink eyes) are a rare sight. They usually don’t survive to adult, but those who do have a chance to pass their albinism to their offspring, about a 5% chance. However, if an albino adult manages to pair with another albino, they have a 10% chance to pass it on.

[lament scroll]

@old void The croc already has an easy enough time surviving. Cannibalism just breeds toxicity. Every time I have seen someone die from being cannibalized they've been real upset, but dying to something else us sort of just how it is and they're fine with it. That's how I see it, and I just personally think it will do more harm than good.

[hidden pilot]

sounds like you need some copium

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/840363570108694529/986987812035383296/copege.gif

[lament scroll]

Okay, that's fine. I won't cannibalize, and I'm careful around others so I haven't been cannibalized yet. I just think it's an unneeded system, and the people who defend it are simply those that do it. I just think it's dumb.

[hidden pilot]

Crocodilians will cannibalise irl

[balmy meadow]

Help I cant decide on something

Should I put two suggestions in one? Because I have two ideas but the timer is so long

[hidden pilot]

If you have 2, put 2

[balmy meadow]

In the same suggestion?

[hidden pilot]

i dont see why not

[balmy meadow]

[novel cosmos]

Actually, *pushes up glasses, they are quite the friendly creature to their own kind. They typically are okay with sharing hunting grounds, ofc they get territorial sometimes but are much more friendly with sharing food than most other predators. The only time they tend to cannibalize is to kill babies not to eat, but mostly as a show of territorial prowess

[trim mauve]

Keep it able to cannibalize but remove the buff from it. Just have it able to eat its own kind without a debuff. We all know carno is aids because its self sufficient or just put deino back into the elite fish diet slot so at least its not 2 free meals for deino making growth easier.

[hidden pilot]

male crocs will cannibalize another crocs young fairly frequently

[novel cosmos]

And are also not that territorial to put it lightly

[jagged jewel]

did you forget the mating season exists?

tolerating =/= being friendly

[novel cosmos]

Well at our zoo we have protocols when it comes to animals

[jagged jewel]

congregating around food also doesn’t mean friendliness

komodo dragons do this and are cannibals too

[lament scroll]

I know that crocs will cannibalize in real life, but personally I'd rather the game be fun over realism. I think it is lame that we are incentivized to cannibalize, that's all really.

[novel cosmos]

And when it comes to crocodiles they are much more welcoming to fellow crocs and keep more crocodiles in a single enclosure without much fear of having them attack each other

[trim mauve]

Then just remove deino from its diet but just let it not have the debuff. Just fixed the problem without just removing it being able to cannibalize.

[jagged jewel]

again, tolerating does not mean friendliness

do they actively engage in social interactions with eachother?

[lament scroll]

I'm not saying remove cannibalization, I'm simply just saying there shouldn't be an incentive to do it

[jagged jewel]

cause crocs can just snap if another croc touches them the wrong way

[novel cosmos]

Yes they typically share sun banks frequently

[jagged jewel]

that is not an interaction

[novel cosmos]

They actually prefer to be sun bathing with other crocs

[jagged jewel]

now are you talking crocodiles or alligators

[balmy meadow]

Mind if I pop in to show some ideas of mine?

[hidden pilot]

Cope.

[trim mauve]

O okay thanks for clearing that up. In that case really isnt anything to argue.

[novel cosmos]

I've only ever said crocodiles

[jagged jewel]

alright

[lament scroll]

seethe

[novel cosmos]

Gators from what I know are less aggressive than crocodiles

[hidden pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[novel cosmos]

But I don't personally work with them

[jagged jewel]

less aggressive to humans*

[balmy meadow]

Anyone wanna help with some ideas to move on from this?

[hidden pilot]

true, but they will still cannibalize

[jagged jewel]

gators sometimes actively chase their prey on land

[novel cosmos]

Well I've only heard less aggressive

[jagged jewel]

yes less aggressive to humans

[hidden pilot]

Let it go and post it in general feedback

[balmy meadow]

Jeez dude??

Im on my timer and I just want some feedback you dont have to be rude about it

[novel cosmos]

Idk if that is accurate every time I've heard someone talk about alligators they say less aggressive

[hidden pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/easter-funny-shrek-funny-face-gif-16873758

[hidden pilot]

[jagged jewel]

if it’s a human talking which I assume it was, they’re probably referring to humans, which is why stuff like gatorland exists

[balmy meadow]

[hidden pilot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/991878665434578964/Squish_Clerance.gif

[balmy meadow]

WHAT IS??? THAT

[jagged jewel]

alligatoroids will usually prey upon eachother, whether it be different species or just their young

when it’s adult vs adult it’s usually either territory or mating season

[hidden pilot]

Clerance

[jagged jewel]

and in mating season a lot of young gators are cannibalized iirc

[hidden pilot]

gators dont prey on their own young

[balmy meadow]

[jagged jewel]

i might be confusing with crocs, my bad then

[novel cosmos]

Both crocs and gators don't kill their OWN babies

[hidden pilot]

i dont think they do either. Although maybe male crocs do

[jagged jewel]

but i do know that different species of caiman prey on eachother, which while not cannibalism is still interesting

[jagged jewel]

that’s why i specified in mating season haha

[balmy meadow]

Since theres no achievements in the isle, how about some are added?

[hidden pilot]

[jagged jewel]

i meant their own as in in their species

[hidden pilot]

sure

[balmy meadow]

Maneater
Acquired from eating 15+ humans.
Pacifist
Acquired from growing to elder eating only AI.
Genocidist
Acquired from growing to elder eating only players.

some ideas for achievements

[hidden pilot]

wouldnt man eater be from eating 15+ humans yourself?

[jagged jewel]

minor nitpick but i don’t think genocidist is a word

[balmy meadow]

It would add humans to your natural diet!

I looked it up, I think its a word?

[jagged jewel]

ah i see

[balmy meadow]

I may be wrong one sec

"Noun. genocidist (plural genocidists) Someone who advocates for or is responsible for enacting genocide."

[jagged jewel]

just never saw it myself haha

[novel cosmos]

Usually it is a show for territorial reason not really to cannibalize to eat but most babies at the zoo are separated from their young to avoid those types of territorial aggressions. Not really a crocodile specific thing

[hidden pilot]

I think the devs said that they wont add humans onto any diets

[jagged jewel]

you learn something new everyday

[balmy meadow]

I havent either but apparently its a owrd

[balmy meadow]

Ah is that true? Darn

The achievement could be just for yourself eating 15+ then

[hidden pilot]

you'll apparently have different reasons to eat them

[balmy meadow]

There hows that

[jagged jewel]

even then, for such social creatures there’s plenty of cases where a croc just gives another one a free amputation just for walking next to it

[balmy meadow]

Any other ideas for achievements?

[hidden pilot]

👍

[jagged jewel]

Explorer: travel a total of 10 km in a single life

[balmy meadow]

[hidden pilot]

or discover certain landmarks in a single life

[jagged jewel]

that’s not too hard, plus most of the map looks the same

[novel cosmos]

Yes most of the wilderness has fights within its own species especially between males

[hidden pilot]

i mean like human buildings and such

[jagged jewel]

that could be a seperate achievement

[balmy meadow]

Here hows this

[hidden pilot]

@ruby eagle quetz is WAY too small to do any of that

[jagged jewel]

INCOMING TRANSMISSION: Find the radio tower.

[balmy meadow]

Maneater
Acquired from eating 15+ humans.
Pacifist
Acquired from growing to elder eating only AI.
Genocidist
Acquired from growing to elder eating only players.
Explorer
Travel a total of 10km in a single life.
Traverser
Visit all natural landmarks.
Prowler
Visit all manmade landmarks.
Voyager
Visit all landmarks.

Opinions?

[jagged jewel]

no need for voyager if you got the previous two imo

[jagged jewel]

also wdyt

[hidden pilot]

ye pretty good

[balmy meadow]

Voyager would be aquired after reaching all

[jagged jewel]

ah alr

all good then

[ruby eagle]

Deino is small irl but in isle it’s the size of a truck

[balmy meadow]

Any other ideas for achievements?

[jagged jewel]

deino is 14 tons irl

[ruby eagle]

Also it was a joke text

[hidden pilot]

quetz still couldnt do any of that stuff

[jagged jewel]

atleast the species that the isle uses is 14 tons irl

[hidden pilot]

serious suggestions only i believe

[jagged jewel]

so i have no fucking clue what you mean by deino being small

[balmy meadow]

The Isle adult deino is 8 tons

like full full adult

[jagged jewel]

which is still smaller than the irl counterpart

[hidden pilot]

elder could maybe be 10-11

[jagged jewel]

10 ton elder deino sounds fun

[balmy meadow]

Elder could drag stegos perhaps

How heavy are adult stegos?

[hidden pilot]

how heavy is a stego

[jagged jewel]

6t

[hidden pilot]

[balmy meadow]

I never play stego so I have 0 clue

[hidden pilot]

oh so 12 yons for elder maybe?

[balmy meadow]

6 tons? elder would have to be 12 tons then

[jagged jewel]

no way an elder deino will reach 12t

11t for deino max

[balmy meadow]

Which is WACK but terribly scary for the horror section

[hidden pilot]

sounds good

[balmy meadow]

Perhaps strained deinos

[jagged jewel]

no 12t because balance

[hidden pilot]

[jagged jewel]

idk if deino will even get strains lol

[balmy meadow]

Ah true, if it does it would be HUGE

I think ill switch traverser with explorer, making it like

Traverser
Travel a total of 10km in a single life.
Explorer
Visit all natural landmarks.

Any other ideas for achievements?

OOH what if there were achievements for becoming a strain? They would be secret achievements of course, like

Monster
Become a hypo strained dinosaur.
(Keep playing to discover this achievement)

Or nah?

[ruby eagle]

Alr back

Ok but I think trike is 4 tons

[balmy meadow]

Trike would be heavier than stego, no?

[ruby eagle]

well

Trike is fat

[balmy meadow]

Adult steg is 6 tons

[ruby eagle]

For trike eight tons

[balmy meadow]

Thicc lad

Two hours left to suggest 😔

Should I first suggest the skin types, achievements or both?

[ruby eagle]

Skin

[balmy meadow]

What should the achievement for a neuro be called? Hypo is going to be called "It's a Monster.."

Should it be "It's a Freak.." for Neuro?

How's this yall

Maneater
Acquired from eating 15+ humans.
Pacifist
Acquired from growing to elder eating only AI.
Genocidist
Acquired from growing to elder eating only players.
Traverser
Travel a total of 10km in a single life.
Explorer
Visit all natural landmarks.
Prowler
Visit all manmade landmarks.
Voyager
Visit every single landmark.
It’s a Monster..
Become a Hypo dinosaur.
(Hidden achievement)
It’s a Freak..
Become a Neuro dinosaur.
(Hidden achievement)
Something’s Wrong..
Discover a Cannibal camp or mutate into a Cannibal.
(Hidden achievement)

Ngl this is FUN

QUESTION! Has tisso been reconfirmed or is it only theories?

[burnt bone]

Sounds good

Sorry had to do stuff

[balmy meadow]

Youre fine man!

[hidden pilot]

i think tisso was scrapped but i might be wrong

[balmy meadow]

I wont make an achievement for it then

[uneven mist]

Tissos might get a rework or be scrapped i think

[hidden pilot]

do one for tribals/cannibals

[balmy meadow]

OOH good idea

Do you become a cannibal or do you spawn as one? I dont know much about them

[hidden pilot]

maybe finding one or (if we will play as them) playing as one

[balmy meadow]

Mk mk one sec

Something’s Wrong..
Discover a Cannibal camp or mutate into a Cannibal.
(Hidden achievement)

Hows that title?

[hidden pilot]

good title but maybe it would be better for coming across a camp of them

[balmy meadow]

Hows that?

[hidden pilot]

[balmy meadow]

Im not sure how theyre going to work so I just put either or

[hidden pilot]

yeah i dont think anyone knows rn

but my guess is that they wont be playable on officials

[balmy meadow]

Swag

Any other ideas for achievements?

[balmy meadow]

This is what we have so far

[hidden pilot]

Do one for being ambushed be a horde of troodons

the title could be "something's lurking"

or smth like that

[balmy meadow]

Or perhaps be killed by troodons as a certain dinosaur

[hidden pilot]

or human

[burnt bone]

Gain a mutation and/or die of natural causes as an elder.

[hidden pilot]

Oh! i know. Dying as a sauropod would be "the harder they fall"

a large one, not magy

[balmy meadow]

Something's Lurking for Troodons killing a human?

[hidden pilot]

yeah

[balmy meadow]

And perhaps the The Harder They Fall could be if you manage to kill an adult longneck

OR if you die as an adult longneck

[hidden pilot]

yeah thats better

but a large one like brachi not a small like magy

[balmy meadow]

I feel like the achievements for the isle would be hard to acquire ones

To kill or die as one?

[hidden pilot]

kill is harder

so kill

[balmy meadow]

Hmm but we wouldnt want people killing them just for an achievement

Because it would make people not want to play the dino

[hidden pilot]

hidden one?

also, brachi prob wont be playable on officials, just AI

[balmy meadow]

Oh really?

[hidden pilot]

yeah cus who wants to grow a brachi for like 10 hrs

[balmy meadow]

I know some people who would

[hidden pilot]

kinda boring

true theres always some

[balmy meadow]

What if the achievement was "Kill a Brachi as a (insert smallish carnivore here)"

And the name was like "How did you do this"

[hidden pilot]

[burnt bone]

Growing an apex could be another

[hidden pilot]

"apex predator"

[balmy meadow]

Ooh thats true, maybe "Reach elder as an apex"

[hidden pilot]

if it is a carni apex

[balmy meadow]

ShouldI do separate ones for herbi/carni or just one combined

[hidden pilot]

carni should be "apex predator" and herbie should be "not so gentle giant" cus what apex herb is gentle?

[balmy meadow]

I like that

[hidden pilot]

or killing 10 dinos as an apex herb in one life

[balmy meadow]

What if for apex carnivore it was called "Top of the Food Chain"

[hidden pilot]

i like that

[balmy meadow]

Should it be reach adult as an apex or elder?

[hidden pilot]

elder

Herb apex elder should be "herbivorous giant"

[balmy meadow]

So we have top of the food chain and not so gentle giant

Here this is what we have so far

[hidden pilot]

and what i just said for apex herb elder

[balmy meadow]

Maneater
Acquired from eating 15+ humans.
Pacifist
Acquired from growing to elder eating only AI.
Genocidist
Acquired from growing to elder eating only players.
Traverser
Travel a total of 10km in a single life.
Explorer
Visit all natural landmarks.
Prowler
Visit all manmade landmarks.
Voyager
Visit every single landmark.
Top of the Food Chain
Reach elder as an apex carnivore.
Herbivorous Giant
Reach elder as an apex herbivore.
The Next Generation
Nest in mutated offspring.
Proud Parent
Watch your offspring reach adult.

It’s a Monster..
Become a Hypo dinosaur.
(Hidden achievement)
It’s a Freak..
Become a Neuro dinosaur.
(Hidden achievement)
Something’s Wrong..
Discover a Cannibal camp or mutate into a Cannibal.
(Hidden achievement)

[hidden pilot]

Not so gentle giant would be kill 15+ dinos as apex herb

[balmy meadow]

Id do that but we dont want KOsing herbivores

[hidden pilot]

Hidden

Apex herb elder would be herbivorous giant

[balmy meadow]

Hidden will most likely be revealed if people look it up lets be honest

[hidden pilot]

but whatever thats fine

[burnt bone]

Could add one for nesting (could be for nesting in a child with a mutation if they go that route) called “Next generation”

[hidden pilot]

i dont think that many ppl look up hidden achievements

[hidden pilot]

[balmy meadow]

Ooh nesting, thats a good idea

[burnt bone]

Plus, what apex herbie wouldn’t kos

[balmy meadow]

coUGH stegos currently

For nesting in a mutated baby, what would the name be?

[hidden pilot]

next generation

[balmy meadow]

The Next Generation
Nest in mutated offspring.

[hidden pilot]

And dont forget to swap reaching elder as apex herb with "herbivorous giant"

[balmy meadow]

I can just share the doc with yall if you want

[hidden pilot]

eh its fine

[balmy meadow]

Ah youre right one sec

[burnt bone]

Nesting a child and having it hit adult could be “proud parent”

[balmy meadow]

should it be "have it reach adult whilst youre ingame" or such?

[hidden pilot]

yeah

[balmy meadow]

Proud Parent
Watch your offspring reach adult.

[burnt bone]

“Watch your own offspring reach adult” could be better

[balmy meadow]

Ty, I couldnt figure out better wording

Better?

[burnt bone]

👍

[balmy meadow]

Alright anything else?

[balmy meadow]

What we have so far

[burnt bone]

Most others would likely be tied to system we don’t have yet

[balmy meadow]

Can you elaborate? Im a lil confused

35 mins till I can post

[burnt bone]

Most other achievements would likely be about gore, perks, humans, and other future mechanics we don’t have yet

[balmy meadow]

True! Shall I post these once my times up?

Everything good?

[burnt bone]

Seems good to me

[balmy meadow]

10 minutes

[balmy meadow]

Made sure to credit yall because you really helped out with it

[limber hull]

@unreal ridge carchar, dakoto and megaraptor aren't even confirmed for the game lmao

[unreal ridge]

they have models so you never know, besides even if they did make a comeback we dont need them

some have models*

[limber hull]

also why would you want to remove megalania? Nothing is at all like it lmao

it's entirely unique

[willow zealot]

One of the only quad carnivores

[unreal ridge]

what?

i never talked about removing megalania

I talked about titanoboa

[balmy meadow]

They said Megaraptor

[limber hull]

there are so many that are overshadowed or aren't necessary simply because of other better options

rugops, carcharodontosaurus , styracosaurus, brontosaurus, megalania, corythosaurus (para with a hairstyle), dakotaraptor, and megaraptor

that clearly says megalania

[unreal ridge]

oh my fault editing error

[balmy meadow]

Oh I also completely missed that

[unreal ridge]

but in the paragraph about it and corythosaurus it says titanoboa

ill fix it right now

[civic sparrow]

@unreal ridge those dinos could just be different skins of the Dino that they resemble

[limber hull]

also isn't titanoboa also EXTREMELY unique?

[civic sparrow]

Like Cory is just an alt skin for para etc

[unreal ridge]

but titanoboa's playstyle wouldnt be unique

[willow zealot]

Carcar will be a alt skin for giga also

[limber hull]

its a giant fucking snake how not

[unreal ridge]

let me explain

because titanoboa is a snake, and like the research and the snake it is modeled after in the isle (anaconda) it has a primarily water based life style as an adult

grabbing and suffocating prey from the water is deino's niche is it not?

[limber hull]

this is also the Isle which means they could make the thing arboreal as well if they really wanted

[unreal ridge]

how would that help it?

[willow zealot]

Not everything will be 100%realistic, they can give it more aspects too have a very unique lifestyle

[limber hull]

the concept of a giant fucking snake being able to drop on my dinosaur and kill it in a death coil sounds pretty sweet to me honestly

[civic sparrow]

Fun and viable gameplay> realism

[unreal ridge]

I get most players are oblivious to the vertical but like once it grabs something, its screwed at least in the water it can drag it down a bit

[willow zealot]

Also it could possibly be the only creature too give live birth rather then lay eggs

[unreal ridge]

ngl it does sound sweet but its also very niche, its limited to single targets or small creatures because once it grabs one, the other will simply tear it another hole

once it grabs something it doesnt have the option to attack and defend its victim

without letting go

[civic sparrow]

What

Oh you mean it’s vulnerable to packs

[unreal ridge]

a snake is a single target predator

yes

and the creatures it would need to hunt to sustain itself are usually bigger and live in packs

[civic sparrow]

Well it would have to pick and choose carefully ( can always escape to the trees, water, burrow)

[balmy meadow]

Simply the playstyle of having to coil and suffocate prey would be pretty cool

[unreal ridge]

cant argue with that

[willow zealot]

I could see it being similar too Deino but not.as limited too the water in a way

[balmy meadow]

Plus, Titanoboas are well knows for preying on prehistoric gators!

They could be a proper threat for deinosuchus, a good war between the two

[unreal ridge]

if they made titanoboa arboreal i'd change my mind because it has a whole new niche

[civic sparrow]

Titanaboa: the stealthy carnivore that can go anywhere

[balmy meadow]

Im excited for Titano!

[burnt bone]

It could also be the only playable that’s both semi aquatic and arborial. That’s unique

[balmy meadow]

"It may well have been aquatic and hunted similar prey, like crocodiles. Indeed, other fossils from the Cerrejon pit include early relatives of fishes, turtles and crocodiles – all suitable prey for Titanoboa."

The swamps would be a reaaally good place for Titanos!

[willow zealot]

It will have very interesting ways of behavior, eating prey whole, giving birth, and the way it moves in general

[balmy meadow]

Considering the Deinos mainly live in the rivers, Titanos would make the swamps terrifying to go to

[unreal ridge]

yeah this sounds awesome but all signs point to it being aquatic, because it lived in swamps, ate crocodiles/gators, was physically too heavy to move very fast on land as adult, its just too similar to deino without any dev comment

[balmy meadow]

Well how about this:

[willow zealot]

I mean, look at our Spino

They can pretty much do whatever they want too Titano

Predator adapted too all terrain though sounds pretty neat tbh