general-feedback-discussion

[lament scroll]

I just don't see people not wanting to group when nesting comes out, hell most carnivores just straight up merc other carnivores on sight anyways so that likely won't change, but the whole point of nesting is to facilitate group play, which goes back to me saying that this game is CLEARLY balanced for group play.

Solo should be viable, but very difficult.

[urban flax]

I still say it depends on the species
A rex, once adult, should perfectly be able to survive on its own
If possible, it should even be easier to survive as a lone rex than with a group
Thing is, every game is easier solo than it is when in a group, unless it is specifically designed to be harder with a group

Nesting is in to give players more things to do, and to give them an alternative to grouping with randoms in the wild in order to play with other people. That's why I say people will group up less in the wild, that's because nesting will partially replace it. It won't make more groups because people who are willing to group up already do it as much as they can.

Or maybe it will make more because it's easier, by a small margin

[lament scroll]

I think a solo rex should think hard about going after a fully grown stego. Carnivores in real life don't just run around and kill fully grown prey, I agree a rex should be able to survive on it's own, but it shouldn't be easy

To start a nest you already have to group with another player, and there's a good chance that you only get an egg or two actually viable because you need to have a good diet for the eggs to be good, so I think it's safe to say people will group in the wild still because it's not as if nesting is going to be a walk in the park

[urban flax]

I didn't say a solo rex should be able to kill a steg easily
Nothing should really, as with every apex

[lament scroll]

From the very beginning I said that solo players who want the challenge, more power to them. It should be a challenge, that's my take. So we actually don't have a disagreement?

[urban flax]

Maybe we don't. For me it seemed like you wanted that every player should need to group up in order to stand a chance in the grand scheme of things

[lament scroll]

No, I could have stated that in my opinion the "balance" for solo play is that you're at a disadvantage. Like you can do it, it's just harder.

I think that's a fair balance for solo play

[urban flax]

Well yes it's makes sense
Let's agree to agree then

[lament scroll]

Hell yeah

[balmy meadow]

Should I make more scar examples?

[lament scroll]

The one you did looked really good so sure!

[balmy meadow]

Thank ya! Any specific dinos' scar I should do?

[narrow nova]

Because of carno is too fast,it can kill all species ,so we are continuing buff herbs again and again,now even one Pachy have ability to against a carno ,pachy group are more deadly than utha group even for herbs,they no longer need to be friendly with other herbs,I always be killed by pachy group(sometimes Teno group)as herb.

When Carnivore group no longer a challenge to big herb group,they fight each other,just as same as carno used to be(when 2 t 350bite)

even Utha more united than herbivorous,herb now absolutely have no reason to kill herbs,they just for fun.

[urban flax]

I don't see your point
Carno is op so that makes carnis useless ?

Also Utah's main ability is bugged right now, no wonder it's hard to hunt with it

[cyan flame]

Pachy isn't really more "deadly" than a utah group, it's just more effective due to direct damage and fracture vs the over time attrition bleeder. Which is why it seems and feels that way. And herbis shouldnt be "friendly" with other herbs, they're just another competititor to either avoid or kill in most cases. And pachy solo sort of needs to be able to handle a solo carno, at least to escape, otherwise you'll not see many pachies unless it's some pre planned group, due to solo just dying to a carno. Besides, a solo carno should not mess with a pachy group, carno isn't really the whole "brawl", much as it can do it quite well as it stands.

[cyan flame]

Also this.

[narrow nova]

I mean because carno is op that time ,so carno start to kill carno for fun ,as same as herbs now.

Such carnis should not happen between herbs

[urban flax]

Herbivores are not a big friendly family
They should be as wary of each other as carnis are

[narrow nova]

Carnivores kill each other for food, and herbivores kill each other for what? Food is very plentiful now. It's just that the player wants to kill

[urban flax]

And what's the problem in that ? Herbivores kill each other to remove competition, or remove a potential threat

Because if you don't attack first, nothing can assure you that the other guy isn't a crackhead willing to kill you

[limber hull]

I’m neither on the side of “herbis should be friendly to each other” nor “herbis should be hostile to each other”. I prefer them to just ignore the other herbivore, unless that herbivore shows itself to be a threat to survival (competition, hostile)

[balmy meadow]

Why not instead preform aggression towards the other herbi instead of straight aggression? Since it makes you seem like the KOser instead of just 3calling for space or food. Either that or ignoring, but they wouldn't all mixherd unless they were similar (Dryo + Hypsi for example)

[narrow nova]

So we're stuck in a chain of suspicion,which makes game less fun

[urban flax]

Less fun ? Isn't it the point of a survival horror game to be wary of everyone ?

[limber hull]

3 calls are too aggressive imho. I wish we had stuff like low growls or hisses, rather than huge threatening displays.

[urban flax]

Isn't it the entire and only point of games like Werewolves or Among Us ?

[limber hull]

I want something to say “fuck off” not “I kill you”

[limber hull]

IDK how I feel about the Isle being treated like Among Us.

[balmy meadow]

You could always mock-bite if it seems too aggressive!

[urban flax]

Sus

[limber hull]

I’d prefer something to not indicate direct hostility, but rather act as a warning

[balmy meadow]

It would show you're not interested in friends, because a mock bite isnt as aggressive and would inform the other party that you want to be left be without screaming at them

[narrow nova]

I truly don't think a herb should be another's horror.animal don't waste energy for no sense，and herb carnis make game far from reality

[urban flax]

Isn't the "3-call is too aggressive" thing the reason why they've all been toned down ?

[urban flax]

Wild herbivores are more aggressive than carnivores in reality

[balmy meadow]

Well, in real life, herbivores aren't all peace and love, they are MEAN and HATEFUL

Take Hippos for example, a true herbivore

They snipe gators for no reason other than to do it, they want beef with every animal due to territory and simple space

[limber hull]

IDK, I don’t think it works as intended. They still always seem as invitations to fight

[noble vortex]

Just add the whole "press or hold," easy

[narrow nova]

Indeed not all friendly，but at least not all fight each other to death

[balmy meadow]

God yes PLEASE

The longer you hold the button, the louder and more aggressive the call would be

Someone NEEDS to suggest that

[noble vortex]

[narrow nova]

Wow That make sense

[balmy meadow]

A single tap: A growl or rumble
Medium hold: A snarl of sorts, obvious aggression
Long hold: A roar and snorgle, very loud and extreme aggression

[narrow nova]

[balmy meadow]

I would suggest it but Ive already done my scar suggestion

[narrow nova]

Oh it's never too late,hope to see your suggestion👍

[balmy meadow]

If its not done by someone else, ill try to do it later when my timer runs out

[narrow nova]

And let the last attack quicker than normal one ,make it Truelly useful,let defender benefit from it.

[last lily]

When the Utahraptor is sus

[narrow nova]

So...Surprise attacks can be more deadly？

[fleet wigeon]

Why not? I think turning the usual predator/prey relationship on its head would be great for this game

[lucid mauve]

Depends on what you playing, apexes should be very viable solo. If you gonna have huge problem taking down a stego as rex. You gonna need 3+ rexes to even thouch a herd. Imagine when trikes etc comes. And if you see 3+ rexes all over the place, your not gonna be thouching them as anything smaller. That gonna make the game incredible boring for packs. And even herds, whos gonna be untouchable unless they see 3+ apexes.

[fleet wigeon]

Deinocheirus is essentially a 6-ton goose with machetes for hands

[lucid mauve]

that is my fav dino im waiting for : P hope its fun

[fleet wigeon]

Same

I want to destroy things as a Deinocheirus

Spinosaurus will attack merc boats for food. Deinocheirus will do it just because they were annoying

[lucid mauve]

lol yea i saw a picture of the size, its was darn huge

[fleet wigeon]

Absolutely massive

[lucid mauve]

darn! those should make some bleed lol

[fleet wigeon]

For sure

I made a suggestion that Deinocheirus and Theri should have a secondary slash attack that does less damage but insane amounts of bleed

[narrow nova]

But to against spino，it might need to be bigger

[fleet wigeon]

It is bigger, or at least as big as Spino in the concept art

It's at the very least heavier in the concept

Deinocheirus is beefier and has larger claws

[lucid mauve]

Wait is that cherius ? darn tho it was spino vs spino

[fleet wigeon]

That's Deinocheirus

[narrow nova]

Yes just like Teno to carno,their fight has to be fun to watch

[lucid mauve]

nice! looks like spino wont be getting free food from a cherius : P

[fleet wigeon]

Definitely

I think Cheirus might be the closest to an in-game hippo. A large, aggressive semi-aquatic herbivore opportunistic omnivore with massive natural weapons

[narrow nova]

It may rob your fish,and you can only watch it to do so

[jagged jewel]

@upbeat sigil how the FUCK is a fully grown stego drowned by deino

that’s like literally not possible to do

and utah is very skill based so if that guy killed you either you were shit at the game or he was a god

either way he deserved the kill

“oh no i just died in game, let me complain to change the balance so that i always win”

[silent current]

Thoughts anyone?

[lucid mauve]

love the idea : D i still wonder how sucho gonna do if it needs to be same places as these guys : P

[upbeat sigil]

Don't fucking ask me. One minute I'm drinking and the next downing with no option to fight so

[jagged jewel]

as a 100% stego?

[lucid mauve]

Think they can drown you until 80% grown or so ?

[narrow nova]

Stego got 4t at about79~80,so yes.
Deinosuchus can drown prey half it's weight.

[gloomy reef]

how many upvotes do u need to make your suggestion to be ingame?

[lapis swallow]

69

[low canopy]

upvotes do not matter

[lapis swallow]

They will add it if it has 69 upvotes

Not more not less

[limber hull]

@jagged jewel teno already has the fastest swimspeed of any terrestrial animal

[jagged jewel]

i'm aware, i just want it to use its tail instead of its legs lol

[hidden pilot]

Some dinos, like dryo, should be able to live in 2 or more regions as they dont add anything to mixherds

[silent current]

Yeah I could see that

I’d imagine smaller dinosaurs would be more diverse in environments

[hidden pilot]

Yeah

[tepid gate]

Tyrannosaurids - yes, Rexes specifically - not so much from what I recall.

[last lily]

We have a decent pool of evidence of Tyrannosaurus Rex itself engaging in intraspecies combat I think? Lots of bitemarks and injuries on the face, and in some instances, damage to the tail. Don't recall much else or if that's since been debunked or not, as that was from about.. a year or two ago?

Wait this isn't paleotalk

[jagged jewel]

rex specifically didn't, but stuff like alberto did

[fluid lake]

Agreed, but I thought that two parents having a brown skin and a baby having a green skin wouldn't make alot of sense. Happy players are important tho!

[tepid gate]

I recall it just very vaguely but I think pretty much all the adult T.rexes were found alone, it might've been different for the juveniles though.

[hidden pilot]

I think its theorized that rexes may have lived in family groups with the mating pair and the offspring until the young got old enough to leave

[dusk meteor]

That's not a theory. It's speculation.

[hidden pilot]

That's essentially the same thing

[fleet wigeon]

Not really

[civic sparrow]

Speculation is literally the forming of a theory

[fleet wigeon]

One has been rigorously tested and is widely accepted and the other is drawing conclusions without necessarily supporting evidence

[dusk meteor]

Speculation is an idea you have that isn't backed by any evidence. You do requireevidence for an academic theory which is the theory use in this case since it's referring to actual, proper ideas. It doesn't exactly have to be super rigorous, and especially not in the case of dinosaurs but you do require a hypothesis -> find evidence -> paper -> official theory

[tepid gate]

@ruby cipher unfortunately global chat isn't making a comeback in update 5 - nor is it likely to make a comeback at all.

The devs believe that it takes away from the survival aspect of the game and they note that its removal has decreased the number of cases of toxicity they(the staff) have to deal with.

[ruby cipher]

Yeah reason I’m not on evrima as much. I love my global chat.

[tepid gate]

I've never used it much but I did find the game definitely more amusing than it has been since it was removed.

[ruby cipher]

I know some servers want to mod it in because that’s what we want

[tepid gate]

Nevertheless I doubt they're going to give in on this one, the only thing that's just outright bizarre is that they removed it from the code of the game instead of just turning it off on the official servers.

[ruby cipher]

I know the devs don’t like it but what about players who want it

[tepid gate]

Yea they will have to mod it... when(if) we(ever) get to the point where mods are a thing.

[burnt bone]

Personally, I understand why it was removed from the official servers completely, but I don’t see a reason why they don’t let unofficial toggle it.

[tepid gate]

Same, I'm honestly shocked that it was enabled on the official servers in the first place.

[ruby cipher]

People suggested to be able for owners to turn it on or off for unofficial but the devs don’t seem to care what we want

[tepid gate]

It allegedly takes away from what they want the game to be about but it's just bizarre considering their statements about how they want the game to be very customizable.

[ruby cipher]

Then they need to take it only away from official. Not EVERYONE wants to be forced to play the way the devs do. But just my opinion.

[elfin axle]

@tender lotus Sounds like you're playing Legacy, which is a branch that is no longer being worked on The suggestion/feedback channels are sadly for Evrima only

[grand zinc]

I think it would be fine for apex carnis to pair up unless you made rex giga or spino on there own op enough to hunt entire herds

[hidden pilot]

@ruby cipher bro actually wants global

[hidden pilot]

why would apexes hunt together?

[ruby cipher]

Not everyone likes it but I know a lot who do and want it. Not hard to play on servers who don’t have global.

[hidden pilot]

Global was a mistake and caused a lot of toxicity

[ruby cipher]

The server I played on actually wasn’t toxic!

[hidden pilot]

rare

[ruby cipher]

Toxic is on servers who’s admins aren’t on or official servers

[hidden pilot]

Still, global shouldnt come back

[grand zinc]

What is 1 giga doing again cama or bronto

Or better yet a entire herd

[ruby cipher]

It can if people want it and should allow unofficial server owners to turn it on or off.

Not that hard

[hidden pilot]

not attacking cus it cant win

[hidden pilot]

global still shouldnt come back

[ruby cipher]

Not to mention where the heck is group chat

[grand zinc]

No dino should be forced the solo route thats kinda cursed

[ruby cipher]

You don’t want it then play on servers that don’t have it 🙄

[hidden pilot]

you could pair up with ur own species

[ruby cipher]

Not that hard but I guess it is according to you.

[hidden pilot]

never said it was

[ruby cipher]

Acting like it is lol

[bleak bison]

@jagged jewel I actually like that taco idea idk why no one else does

[lament scroll]

In terms of chat, at the very least there should be a local chat that everyone can read, and then have the current local species chat as well. Sort of a half measure

[bleak bison]

I think global should be an option on servers

Evrima can feel lonely and empty without it

And global chat is fun to watch sometimes

[ruby cipher]

thank you. I feel lonely asf without global. and then having to run around just TRYING to find someone

it is. its entertaining

[bleak bison]

I guess they’re going for the harsh survival feel but that can drive some players away

[ruby cipher]

trust me, its getting there.

soon there will be no more isle

everyone be on PoT or BoB

[bleak bison]

That’s why I haven’t played in a while because I’m just like eh I cba

[ruby cipher]

mhm same

[dawn trout]

I hope some species can chat at a long distance, but this communication will make a lot of noise.

It's like, you type for a wide range of the same species to see, but the sound is equivalent to you pressing 1.

Can Parasaurolophus do this?

[lucid mauve]

i wouldt even play those games if they paid me money : P

[uneven mist]

Ah yes. Everyone wil quit the isle bc no global

[hidden pilot]

[uneven mist]

Yeah that sounds like an interesting passive ability for para

[balmy meadow]

Was finally able to post it

[ashen elm]

Agreed with Static Snow.

I don't know why the developers insist on long (6+ months) and larger updates, when smaller updates seems like it works better for everyone. Less number for bugs to test for since less content, faster content, better focus, etc...

Like Skins and Nesting did not need to be released together and could have been separate updates.
Gore and venom could be separated.
Elders and Perks... that one I guess does make sense together though, but might also work separated. (I would personally introduce Elders first, then Perks as the latter seems dependent on the former)

[uneven mist]

Gore and venom isn’t on the same update tho

[ashen elm]

Oh it's 6.5 you are right hmm
Well either way, the premise remains the same
Don't make these huge updates, it's not working well for the game on a design (to test things) or playerbase level (for their patience)

[burnt bone]

I understand certain updates require another to function properly. Perks and elder require each other to function properly. Elder means nothing without perks, and perks need elder as a way to get a good chunk of them, if not all.

However, I do agree certain updates should be spread out, like skins and nesting. They work together, but both function fine whithout the other.

[tepid gate]

or like diets require gore... oh wait

[burnt bone]

yeah...💀

Honestly tho that update would have taken a full year or more, both of them are MASSIVE. so people would have gotten restless and angry.

[tepid gate]

I'd rather way another year than have the diets in their current pathetic state.

[barren zephyr]

I think Global should be an option to have on servers as well. :/
It honestly seems incredibly stupid to not have it even as an option. No one really wants to play a game where you can't chat with your friends or even make new friends on the game. >.>

[urban bear]

@upbeat sigil if your getting killed by a utah as a full tenonto or stego its not the balance its a you problem lol

[upbeat sigil]

Probably. But a full Stego dying to a Deino drowning with no option to escape sounds like an issue with the game as well.

[urban bear]

A full stego cant be grabbed and drowned by a deino

[upbeat sigil]

And yet I was?

Hence, my mention of a possible bug.

[urban bear]

not how the game works bud, you need to be half the weight or less to be even grabbed by a deino, and from what I now nobody has encountered being gabbed by a full deino as a full stego

[upbeat sigil]

And yet I was. I stand by my case.

[urban bear]

never happened to me or anybody I know once, every time you lunge as a deino at a stego its a stun not a grab

you probably werent fully grown

[upbeat sigil]

I have no way to prove it, but it happened and it was frustrating.

My growth was 100% :/

Not real sure what else to tell you. Freak bug i guess.

[urban bear]

I could go into a server and lunge at a full stego 100 times and it would not grab it

[upbeat sigil]

Good for you.

I stand by my point. A freak bug, not sure how it happened, i can't prove it happened, but it did and it was certainly irritating

[urban bear]

it clearly didn't happen your blowing it out of proportion for the purpose of your feed back

[upbeat sigil]

??

🤷 Not sure what else to tell you lmao

I've stated my case, you've made your point.

[urban bear]

its impossible for that to happen theres not any bugs related to deinos lunge and weight system lol

[upbeat sigil]

Freak bug, i suppose.

[urban bear]

if you say so lol

[upbeat sigil]

I don't know what to tell you, I'm sorry.

Also i love the tag on your name 😂 hate the JP designs

[urban bear]

yeah, they are very unoriginal I would rather the devs make their own design

[upbeat sigil]

Honestly

ok but did you see the JWD Giga design 🤢

[hidden pilot]

they're making an accurate one

[urban bear]

good

[tight oxide]

like the scars

might help us know which person has locked hp in a hunt

[balmy meadow]

@wind marlin It'd be great for Troodon if their calls weren't already decided on!

[limber hull]

troodon sounds pretty similar to that tbh

[somber jolt]

When the actual climbing mechanic is added they're gonna have to add collision to all of the tree

[brave halo]

Aaaa, good

[limber hull]

@queen ember disembodiment?

[hidden pilot]

We got a whole video showcasing troodons calls

[jagged jewel]

for what?

[hidden pilot]

Utah

[jagged jewel]

they're probably remastering trees and forests for climbing

[jagged jewel]

the utah we have is staying the same, we're just getting a new playable that looks accurate

[hidden pilot]

Our current "utah" is getting renamed and the actual name Utahraptor is moving to an actual utah

[jagged jewel]

yes

[molten flame]

@jagged jewel I agree but this would be after a while not as soon as its off the because the deino would be confused, kinda like a leg break but worse

[novel cosmos]

@molten flame deino isnt faster than anything on land

it gets 0 stam in like 20 seconds of sprinting

[jagged jewel]

indeed but it would just be bleeding and slightly slower walking on land, no affects on swimming

[novel cosmos]

were u trying to kill it or were u straight running away from the deino?

[jagged jewel]

@molten flame deino is the slowest thing on land

how the fuck did one outrun a stego

[limber hull]

wait a minute

[gray mesa]

And Stego has way more stamina than Deino on land

[limber hull]

icewing

dear god

[jagged jewel]

only 50% deino outruns stego, and stego can like 3 shot it

stego is like 10 km/h faster

[novel cosmos]

yeah just for reference deino on left

[urban flax]

Is it the same Icewing we know ? An alt maybe ?

[limber hull]

surely not, this one is pro-herbivore

[urban flax]

Maybe Icewing finished his transformation ?

Like a caterpillar turning into a butterlfy

[novel cosmos]

LOL pro herbivore

[jagged jewel]

probably, there's no more icewings in the server apparently

[dusk meteor]

Idk Icewing just complained about everything
But he did write a whole lot more than pure salt

[novel cosmos]

do you guys know what updates are for herbivore nutrient stuff in update 5?

currently very much dislike trying to live as a herbi trying to find nutrient stuff

seems so scarce

[lapis swallow]

Who is Icewing?

[sick dirge]

A legend

A hero for carnivores everywhere

[lapis swallow]

What did he do?

[hidden pilot]

@molten flame My guy you must be trippin'. A full grown deino can not outrun a stego

[mild walrus]

Those disliking my suggestion are simps lol

[hidden pilot]

what?

[low canopy]

[lapis swallow]

No its just not possible for them to recreate this lighting because Red Dead is a game from a HUGE team

And its known for its insane graphics

[mild walrus]

Sigh

[hidden pilot]

Cope.

[limber hull]

the isle is set on a tropical island

red dead online is set in southern america

also im pretty sure stealing assets from another game is not exactly legal

[mild walrus]

It's not possible!? Lmao

Hey dummy I don't mean steal it

Learn to read

[lapis swallow]

Why are you insulting?

[mild walrus]

I said use it as inspiration, because it's almost perfect

[limber hull]

except that's a game about cowboys

[lapis swallow]

Its the wrong lighting

[limber hull]

this is a game about dinosaurs

on a tropical island

[mild walrus]

The cowboys and paths and towns wouldn't be in it lol

Obviously

[hidden pilot]

and... these things...

[mild walrus]

But the type of quality with the models, the foliage, the weather and lighting is amazing

[limber hull]

yea those guys

Rockstar is also triple A. The Isle devs are not

[mild walrus]

I guess they better step it up the.

[lapis swallow]

I know but they cant recreate it cause time and money

[hidden pilot]

if you want amazing graphics, wait for ue5 upgrade

[mild walrus]

All they have to do is add lumen for the lighting

[limber hull]

Ah yes, just become triple A devs

[mild walrus]

And then more weather, which they plan to anyway

So it'll end up looking reminiscent of it in the long run anyway but I just want it to be as realistic and beautiful

[lapis swallow]

I think you know how this works a bit better than me, what is the difference between indie and triple a again?

[limber hull]

We all want it to be realistic and beautiful. So do the devs. They can do that without Red Dead's help

[low canopy]

quick edit of afterthought name, just add AAA+

[hidden pilot]

It'll look good eventually so just wait

[mild walrus]

Some parts already are really nice, like the coast and stuff, I'll give them that

So if they can do that...

[shy cloak]

@mild walrus

[urban flax]

The difference between indie and triple A is several thousand devs

[lapis swallow]

Oh ok

So he suggests that a 20 devs do the same as a couple hundreds

[mild walrus]

Yes.

[urban flax]

thousands*

[mild walrus]

I've literally made a small map with awesome weather effects and lighting myself on UE4

It's basically like "click this box for it" lol

So yeah I don't make excuses for a dev team that takes a year to release a feature at a time.

And if they were ever able to make the jump from legacy to Evrima, graphics wise, why do you think they won't be able to upgrade again?

[urban flax]

I don't think that if it was as simple as "check a box to make your game prettier" devs would need your input to do it

[jagged jewel]

fun fact: southern america is not the same as a probably equatorial tropical island

[mild walrus]

Why are you still talking about it being southern America

I am literally referring to the animations, the weather, the animal models

[hidden pilot]

[jagged jewel]

ah yes, just steal the animations and the models

[mild walrus]

.... You really are a stupid person

[jagged jewel]

the weather is going to come eventually

[lapis swallow]

Stop insulting

[mild walrus]

Stop being an idiot

[mild walrus]

I'm suggesting real things lol

[jagged jewel]

my brother i literally just joined the conversation lmao imagine being this riled up about fake dinosaurs

[low canopy]

cowboys are not confirmed

[mild walrus]

And this person is still talking about southern America

[jagged jewel]

wdym "still" i only mentioned it once

[mild walrus]

I didn't say copy the map lol, I said copy the quality

[low canopy]

ngl, your rudeness makes this topic hard to take seriously

[mild walrus]

Someone else said that too.. like "it's a dinosaur game why would you put a southern American map with cowboys!?"

[lapis swallow]

But you cant do that because it would take to long

[hidden pilot]

i think ur simplifying this too much

[jagged jewel]

bit hard to do when they don't have the same budget and amount of devs

[jagged jewel]

ah yes someone else said it therefore i said it more than once

[lapis swallow]

Do you want to wait about 5 years for another update or longer? I dont

[mild walrus]

I understand it's hard work, but if we are waiting a full year for 1 update, you guys really have no limit to how long you'll wait lol, so why not?

[jagged jewel]

no update so far has taken 1 year

[lapis swallow]

We arent waiting a full year

[hidden pilot]

except we arent waiting that long for an update

[mild walrus]

...lol

8 months vs a year, so differnt

[uneven mist]

Yet

[hidden pilot]

its been 5 months not a year

[jagged jewel]

its been 5 months

[lapis swallow]

Its 120 days dude

Its pretty long

[mild walrus]

They took the game back 2 updates with the release of that one

Most people can't even play now lol

[urban flax]

You're actually right CoolUsername and that should be applied to many more things
Every artist should copy Michelangelo instead of trying out their own things, that way they'd all be great painters and sculptors
And scientists should take inspiration from Albert Einstein so they never make mistakes again
But people are too dumb to do that smh

[mild walrus]

Lol good one

[hidden pilot]

and that is literaslly being fixed next update

[lapis swallow]

They will be able to in U5

[jagged jewel]

i cannot take this discussion seriously

[paper jay]

That's true- I'm trying to get a new computer right now to be able to run The Isle again :(

[hidden pilot]

[jagged jewel]

the way you put it in your original suggestion seemed like you unironically wanted afterthought to basically copy assets and put them in TI

[mild walrus]

BuT iTs SuCh a SmOL TeAM!!!

I don't believe I did, duder, but thank you for explaining

[jagged jewel]

"Can the developers just play Red Dead Online for 30 minutes and then use their map, AI, and animal models as inspiration"

[hidden pilot]

Yeah, thats why it isnt as easy as ur saying

[mild walrus]

As inspiration is the key word there

[proven geyser]

You do know the engine that rockstar used to make Red Dead 2 is different to that of unreal ?

[lapis swallow]

Its the best argument because they cant do that. Would you ask a small company to do a billion dollar job?

[mild walrus]

You're saying unreal 4 or 5 can't achieve those results? Loool

[jagged jewel]

so what would the difference be, it's like stealing someone's song and saying it's just inspiration because you added some reverb to it

[proven geyser]

No, I am not saying that. But it wont be identical and its not just as easy as "oh use the same stuff red dead does"

[lapis swallow]

It literally the same

[proven geyser]

also rockstar has developers in the hundreds....

[runic steppe]

Y’all are arguing over the dumbest shit 😂

[mild walrus]

...

[hidden pilot]

Ik but its a rabbit hole we cant escape

[mild walrus]

I can't explain this any further to you horse girls

[jagged jewel]

bruhhh

[mild walrus]

Have a good one

[runic steppe]

Ah a twelve yr old

[hidden pilot]

[mild walrus]

See you in 2 years when the lighting and weather matches exactly what I said

[uneven mist]

Islecord in a nutshell

[lapis swallow]

And now he is using females as an insult

[mild walrus]

Lmao horse girl is a term

[hidden pilot]

[proven geyser]

personally hope you stick to red dead imo.

[mild walrus]

Look into it

I hope you learn to spell 🤷‍♂️

[jagged jewel]

the weather part i guess makes sense since it is coming in U7, now the rest i can't really say, and neither can you

[lapis swallow]

you used it as an insult

[hidden pilot]

tf?

[mild walrus]

It is an insult

[jagged jewel]

lmao what does spelling have to do with this

[lapis swallow]

So yeah

[jagged jewel]

dude doesn't even know what spelling is 💀

[urban flax]

Did you know that there is a server rule against insulting randoms ?

[mild walrus]

They're the weird homeschool type girls who love their horses

[lapis swallow]

Why are you using the term horse girl as an insult

[mild walrus]

Lmao because that's what you all remind me of

[proven geyser]

He thinks he is funny because my phone autocorrected the "red dead" to "read dead".

[runic steppe]

Says the person fangirling over red dead

[mild walrus]

It sets the standard, sorry

[jagged jewel]

it's still good spelling lmfao

[sick dirge]

What is going on here

[jagged jewel]

dude can't even insult people right

[lapis swallow]

A story triple a game is setting the bars for a surival horror dino game fron indie devs?

[hidden pilot]

... how tho

[sick dirge]

I leave for 10 minutes and this is what happens

[mild walrus]

Lol the two games aren't that different

It's a survival game

[lapis swallow]

Sounds like somebody is comparing a small online shop with amazon?

[sick dirge]

No, it’s a narrative adventure game

[jagged jewel]

i don't think you know what the isle is about

[uneven mist]

[mild walrus]

I've played the isle for years lol

[proven geyser]

Trying to compare Red Dead to The isle is nothing but a joke.
Rockstar have hundreds of developers so its easier for them to make a game like Red Dead 2.
This is a team of what like 10 or less I dont know.

[hidden pilot]

they are extremely different

[lapis swallow]

Because you have a life bar or what?

[jagged jewel]

it isn't as simple as "survival game"

[mild walrus]

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean you don't have a life bar

[uneven mist]

^ 18 - 20 devs btw

[hidden pilot]

The Isle is a survival horror game

[jagged jewel]

it's a survival horror game, but it gets far deeper

[urban flax]

I think they're around 30 at aftertought
With 10-ish people actively working on development, including 2 or 3 programmers

[mild walrus]

Red dead has more horror than the isle lol

[jagged jewel]

and only 8 work for the update at a time

[lapis swallow]

So a shooter is a survival game too?

[hidden pilot]

not in future

[mild walrus]

The isle will literally have shooters

And hunters and cars and bases

And humans

[jagged jewel]

because it's part of the lore

[hidden pilot]

but you arent limited to humans

[jagged jewel]

humans and guns = red dead redemption 2

[mild walrus]

So therefore, going into the woods and being mauled by a bear isn't much different than walking through the woods and being mauled by a rex

[lapis swallow]

A game with guns does not mean its similar to red dead

[hidden pilot]

Not to mention this guy

[jagged jewel]

it really is

[jagged jewel]

and strains

[proven geyser]

Ok, I retract my statement and fix it with the fact of Rockstar had "1,600 - 2000" staff working on Red Dead Redemption 2 whilst the Isle has around 15-20 (from others have said)

[hidden pilot]

right

[mild walrus]

Lol you sound dumb, but at least you guys are unified

[lapis swallow]

Guys, I think fortnite and red dead are in the same genre

They both have guns

[proven geyser]

I dunno chief

[mild walrus]

Literally of the isle had story missions it wouldn't be very different lol

[jagged jewel]

you're saying the games are similar while thinking Red Dead is similar to TI

[urban flax]

Fuck this is so true
Fortnite survival game confirmed

[hidden pilot]

[jagged jewel]

but it doesn't, and it won't.

[lapis swallow]

But it doesnt

[proven geyser]

any game with a story would be the same?

[mild walrus]

You guys win, let's keep the standards really low

[proven geyser]

is that ur logic?

[runic steppe]

The Wild West is the same as a tropical island with dinosaurs?

[hidden pilot]

it would still be different

[proven geyser]

ARK Survival Evolved is the same as Roblox Dinosaur simulator ?

[lapis swallow]

A yes spiderman and red dead. if you have played one you have played them all

[jagged jewel]

"if the isle had missions similar to red dead, i'd be right"
That's the thing. It doesn't, and it won't.

[proven geyser]

If my nan had wheels she would be a bike.

[jagged jewel]

if my bike was a car it'd be similar to a car

[hidden pilot]

they're legit making up a game mode to prove a point

[jagged jewel]

exactly

[lapis swallow]

Its a survival game where you play a FUCKING dinosaur or human trying to survive in a multiplayer game. Where can you put story there again?

Oh wait

[proven geyser]

careful

[lapis swallow]

You cant, because it does not work

[proven geyser]

because the isle is like POT so they are the same

[hidden pilot]

other than a possible objective for humans relating to the lore

[lapis swallow]

the isle and jwe 2 both have dinosaurs

They feel so the same

[mild walrus]

Clowns lol

[hidden pilot]

Says the clown

[lapis swallow]

Why?

[mild walrus]

🤣

[hidden pilot]

[proven geyser]

Only a clown can truly know what it takes to be a clown.

[mild walrus]

So we are both clowns then

[proven geyser]

No.

[hidden pilot]

just u

[mild walrus]

😬

[hidden pilot]

What are these reactions💀

[mild walrus]

Y'all gave me the cringe real bad

[lapis swallow]

You are asking for the isle to match the standards of a triple a game and say they would be the same if the isle had story missions

[mild walrus]

They share similarities, yes

Having played both, yes they do

[low canopy]

do we have a whole circus here then or what

[lapis swallow]

What?

[hidden pilot]

Other than humans and guns, they dont at all

[lapis swallow]

He is the clown

[mild walrus]

Have you travelled into the woods?

[lapis swallow]

Which both arent even in

[mild walrus]

At night?

[lapis swallow]

Nice argument

[hidden pilot]

yeah and the isle is very different

[mild walrus]

The bears, wolves, coyotes, it's very similar to the isle

[lapis swallow]

It has woods that feel the same in ths night

[limber hull]

Nothing can match the sheer unbridled joy of watching this shitshow unfold and see it somehow arrive at “Red Dead Redemption and the Isle are basically the same game”

[mild walrus]

Yikes

You people are fuckin dumb lol

[lapis swallow]

New AI in the Isle confirmed???? 👀

[hidden pilot]

Ah yes, the carnivora mammals are similar to the saurian reptiles

[proven geyser]

I know why they think this. Its because he roleplays riding a horse.

so its the same cus dinosaurs

[lapis swallow]

But

We arent riding dinosaurs

[limber hull]

Every single second he digs the hole deeper, it’s mesmerising

[lapis swallow]

This is ark

[mild walrus]

Lol I mean with how dumb our current AI are, yeah they probably should add those

[lapis swallow]

Yes, lol

[proven geyser]

hes pretending to be the horse tho is what i am saying

[mild walrus]

🐎

[proven geyser]

maybe you should ask them to add horses in #general-feedback

[hidden pilot]

eehhh... maybe coyotes but even then no

[dusk meteor]

Frosty the Icewing always swung and missed. Pretty active in suggestions, but not so much to talk to. You'll get an idea of him if you search him up lol

[lapis swallow]

What? The AI program is bad, so they should add new AI? TF

This bro has to be a troll at this point

[mild walrus]

Dinohappen, you're the worst

[hidden pilot]

Actually I believe you are young fellow

[lapis swallow]

Thank you

[proven geyser]

They are a single bingleton.

[mild walrus]

Dinohappen you haven't made sense one time in any of your replies to me lol

[hidden pilot]

And you even less

[mild walrus]

I'm saying the isles AI DOES suck, a chicken, a deer, a boar, and that yes they should add better ai

But fuck me I guess? Lol

[proven geyser]

why not just say a wider variety of animals ?

[mild walrus]

Why does it matter if it say a wider variety of animals or specific ones like a wolf or coyote

[hidden pilot]

Improving AI is more important than adding stuff like coyotes and wolves

[charred notch]

Who is this clown

Where do I find him

[hidden pilot]

fr💀

[mild walrus]

The fucking wolves and coyotes would be the AI

[hidden pilot]

No way really?

[proven geyser]

so you want more animals aka animals like that from Red Dead?

[charred notch]

And why tf does that make them similar?

[hidden pilot]

fr💀

[jagged jewel]

a wolf would die to a 30% utah

[charred notch]

U could say the isle and COD are similar cause they both have a sky 💀💀💀

[mild walrus]

As opposed to a deer?

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/mexican-laugh-laugh-laughing-laughing-hysterically-laughing-crying-gif-14871471

[mild walrus]

No, spinex, you can't

[charred notch]

Why?

[mild walrus]

Because that's not what I said

[charred notch]

I’m listening

[jagged jewel]

this keeps getting better

[mild walrus]

I said both games are survival, both games have big open worlds, both games have carnivores that eat you and chase you.

[proven geyser]

you must remember the animals on the island are not prehistoric they are placed there and are most likely natural to the islands environment

[mild walrus]

So could wolves.

[hidden pilot]

You phrased none of your messages like that

[mild walrus]

Yes I did, Paleo

In the beginning before you idiots turned into this lol

[proven geyser]

I guess a jungle wolf of some sort could be added.

[lapis swallow]

Somebody screenshot all of this we and send it to me please

[charred notch]

Sorry who?

[hidden pilot]

some probably arent there normally, for instance fresh water coelecanth

[proven geyser]

indeed

[charred notch]

It’s so ducking good

[lapis swallow]

We were here since the beginning

[hidden pilot]

and at the same time awful

[charred notch]

Lmao

[lapis swallow]

I still cant believe he is not a troll, he has to be

[hidden pilot]

[hidden pilot]

💀

[proven geyser]

I dont think Bingleton Phigglebottom would approve of this anyway. But I bet in the future they will add a wider variety.

[charred notch]

Where did he go?

[proven geyser]

its just not in the best interest atm.

[hidden pilot]

Like tropical birds and gulls

[hidden pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/good-question-meme-shrek-gif-16886109

[lapis swallow]

He left us

[charred notch]

Hahaha

[jagged jewel]

the maned wolf would work, if it wasnt a fucking omnivore and solitary

[charred notch]

Why don’t we just add polar bears 😁

[lapis swallow]

We didnt give him his money for his excellent work as a clown

[proven geyser]

The boar is scary enough anyway

[low canopy]

make it furless wolf to fit tropical climate

[urban flax]

I think having an omnivore wolf would give it better chances of survival in The Isle

[proven geyser]

I dont want a wolf coming for me

[jagged jewel]

this is true

[proven geyser]

boars are terrifying as it is

[dusk meteor]

Honestly wtf was that argument

I mean they'll expand the AI anyway and have the dinosaurs
If they ever make it work lol

[jagged jewel]

hunting baby dinos and feeding on orange, to give herbis competition

you know what this isnt a bad idea

[hidden pilot]

ngl deer should kick juvies before running

[lapis swallow]

Read the whole one, its a LOT more stupid

[low canopy]

please no, then hunting deer would be easy

[urban flax]

They would give competition to dryos... and be uncatchable to anything else

[proven geyser]

deer should stop jumping in and out the matrix when being chased before we even think about kicking lmao

[hidden pilot]

lol

[dusk meteor]

Oh ya I had a look. I honest to god didn't understand the rest LOL

[urban flax]

Deers should go around 70 km/h in order to not be as easy to catch, like they do irl

[lapis swallow]

We need screen shots of this conversation

I want them so bad but im on my phone so it would take ages

[low canopy]

its better not to, quite a rude discussion that does not merit anyone at the eyes of moderators

[proven geyser]

crouching behind an animal should not cause it to run away

[lapis swallow]

Please, somebody

[mild walrus]

I really wasn't saying anything that confusing or taboo or weird? Everything I suggested will literally be added to this game and you all know it. I wasn't saying to copy red dead onlines assets, I was saying to try to copy the realism, the weather, the things that all modern games are doing.

[proven geyser]

so i can properly ambush ai

[lapis swallow]

Make screenshot of this and send them to me

[hidden pilot]

done

[lapis swallow]

So your suggestion is poinless

[mild walrus]

Sigh

[charred notch]

And u think the isle doesn’t have all these things planned so u had to introduce a totally random game?

[mild walrus]

Alright

[lapis swallow]

I mean the whole one

[mild walrus]

Take care guys

[lapis swallow]

Please

[hidden pilot]

i dont think carnivora mamals will be added, if so way down the line

[lapis swallow]

Just give em to me

[hidden pilot]

we will with you gone

[charred notch]

BAHAHAHA

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/damage-thats-a-lot-of-damage-jon-tron-gif-13054497

[proven geyser]

Dunno about you but to me thats taboo and weird.

[mild walrus]

You didn't include the rest of what I said

But at least you look cool to your friends

[charred notch]

[proven geyser]

But you still said it and its a sentence from ur suggestion ?

[jagged jewel]

gives dryo things to do

[lapis swallow]

@hidden pilot please send me the screenshots

[mild walrus]

Big oof

[urban flax]

True

[hidden pilot]

i only took one

[lapis swallow]

Yeah my friend, I look cool after 15 years of uncoolnes

[dusk meteor]

The AI is kind of a null discussion since they'll do what they do. I don't know if they're really gonna invest heavily on the mammal ai tbh but it's best to drop whatever the heck this was lol

[hidden pilot]

and too lazy to take more

[lapis swallow]

sad

[charred notch]

[lapis swallow]

Was a fun one

[hidden pilot]

ok fine i did it

[lapis swallow]

This is so funny

[mild walrus]

Still 100% true

[proven geyser]

so you dont think its taboo and weird to say

[mild walrus]

No? Why?

[proven geyser]

Im not going in circles.

But they wont use Red Deads map for inspiration .

[mild walrus]

Because it's not weird or taboo to suggest they update their weather and lighting to match a game like that?

Lol

It's weirder to go off on someone for suggesting it

At least aim for that quality I guess, whether it can be achieved with a small team of not

Or*

[dusk meteor]

"Hello small team why doesn't your game look as amazing as this triple A heavily-funded title from a major developer?"

[mild walrus]

Sigh ok

Y'all are too much haha

[low canopy]

i hate to say it but:
"work in progress", "early access" and other BS

[mild walrus]

Fair enough

[low canopy]

if the game looks "bad" after unreal engine 5 update and weather update then we can mald together

[mild walrus]

Oh they won't, they'll defend it until the game shuts down

Stockholm syndrome

[dusk meteor]

Pretty much. The Isle is never going to be red dead quality like honestly that game has such attention to detail it can be a little overboard.
I don't really dislike how the Isle looks but its also got some heavy optimisation and utility problems to fix before aspiring to be well
Top of the line lol

[urban flax]

But they're actually right to do so
Indie dev teams need support and encouragement more than random people shitting on them for no reason

[mild walrus]

If it's any consolation, I like your dog and have a dog that looks similar to yours..

[dusk meteor]

Lol I'm not offended nor did I get involved in the earlier show much
But thanks
She's a good gal

[hidden pilot]

this convo is still going on?

[balmy meadow]

Yes I know that I was meaning if they WERENT already decided on

[dusk meteor]

Not really it's over

[lapis swallow]

Oh bruh, misread it

[mild walrus]

I literally have a dog that looks like frosts

[balmy meadow]

[lapis swallow]

Sorry

[mild walrus]

It happens, I thought you were still coming at me with shit lol

[hidden pilot]

@random ivy Bruh u5 literally has that💀

[random ivy]

does update 5 have optimization?

[mild walrus]

🤞

[jagged jewel]

it has better optimization yes

keep in mind it isn't done overnight, and the changes are gradual

[lapis swallow]

<@&933486433342222376> I suggest you should look into #general-feedback

[hidden pilot]

yeah...

[uneven mist]

Wtf💀

[grand zinc]

bruhhhhh 💀

[hidden pilot]

💀

[lapis swallow]

The suggestions today

[jagged jewel]

what was it?

[lapis swallow]

Yeahhhhhhhh

Something kinda weird

[uneven mist]

It’s better to not think about it

[jagged jewel]

tell me

[uneven mist]

I’l dm it bc funny mods

[jagged jewel]

alr

[modest remnant]

I would also like to know

[sick dirge]

Ik I’m late but could you please provide a brother with the knowledge

[hidden pilot]

@worldly ginkgo or they could just look in #rules-and-info

[worldly ginkgo]

They don't bother doing that

[hidden pilot]

Thats their fault

[uneven mist]

@glacial adder how come?

How is it insane?

[hidden pilot]

@glacial adder Development takes time, cope.

[barren zephyr]

@glacial adder

[uneven mist]

^

[ashen condor]

guys

DId na servers crash?

[hidden pilot]

Restart also thats prob a better question for #isle-discussion

[barren zephyr]

@glass mulch its heavily worked in progress rn its not final its just the shell of it

[tepid gate]

Especially in The Isle

[glass mulch]

I know, hence why I am giving feedback. Without feedback a heavy WIP largely stays the same due to it not being needed to change

If you get positive remarks for a WIP design, it stays

if you get negative remarks for a WIP, it usually leaves or changes

when something is WIP, feedback is needed the most

because if the finished product is bad, it will take a lot more work to work through it and redo it

so give criticism while the devs have time to change things

don't use "It is WIP" as an excuse as to not give criticism

however you shouldn't treat it like it is going in game

sorry for the rant

[mild walrus]

Unfortunately you'll be attacked for voicing those opinions around here @glass mulch but I agree with you

I was destroyed earlier because I said The Isle should focus to bringing lighting and weather up to a similar quality as Red Dead Onlines world, and everyone was saying "but you can't add cowboys and horses to a dino game!" As if that was what I was getting at, lol. Then it evolved into a million excuses and reasons that a dev team of 20 will NEVER be able to pull off what Rockstar games can (obviously) but the crazy part is, many aspects of the game are already on that level, such as the water, reflections, the skybox, so for them to be like "you're asking way too much" for something they're already on a path of doing is funny.

A good example of this, is the fact that with each update to the isle, lighting has been different. So that means they're trying/struggling to figure out the right light box to add to the game.

One part I forgot to leave out, was that I am a modder on RDO, and with that, I can use every model in the game as my player model. Wolves, gators, bears, squirrels, blue Jays, bats, boars, jaguars, so I often play as them. When I am a smaller animal walking through the woods at night, yeah, it gives me the isle vibes, and that's what I meant when I said there are aspects that are similar. But I guess if you're playing as a cowboy shooting a gun, you won't see those similarities.

[tepid gate]

To be perfectly honest - Red Dead is an extremely well polished game with an enormous budget and one of the biggest video game studios behind it, I think we have to be realistic about what we can expect from a crew of some 20-odd devs

[mild walrus]

I definitely agree, but it's not something out of the realm of possibility for them, considering certain aspects are pretty good on evrima

[barren zephyr]

RDR's lighting is pretty, I'd like to see it in The Isle too.

[tepid gate]

I will admit I haven't played RDR2 yet

[mild walrus]

The lighting is definitely achievable for Evrima

[tepid gate]

I've bought it but

[mild walrus]

It's beautiful Aken, you really should try it

If nothing else, the world is amazing

[tepid gate]

don't have the space on the hard drive for it and I'm not deleting any games so it will have to wait until I have a new PC

[mild walrus]

I haven't played the story version yet but the online version is great

[barren zephyr]

@jagged jewel I believe that's the idea for biepi.

[tepid gate]

Oh I will definitely give it a shot but probably only after I get a new PC

which I will be holding on with until the new generation of GPUs is out

[barren zephyr]

The story is nice, online is boring and it's basically a playable art piece.

Not missing much tbh

[tepid gate]

I haven't played either

I have the game on my steam library

just don't have the space to install it currently so it's on the list of the games to play

[mild walrus]

It's pretty fun until you know the world and then it gets boring with the wild west theme

[barren zephyr]

Yeah and especially when they said you'd be able to buy land and such but they scrapped thr idea lol

[mild walrus]

I'm someone who is the furthest away from interested in a wild west style game and I was shocked I liked it lol

[barren zephyr]

GTA V covered that though

[mild walrus]

Yeah

I want a house on red dead but becoming a modder took most of the joy out of it for me I guess

Now I just give people stuff because it's hard to earn money

[barren zephyr]

Yep

I wish their were alot of i.a in The Isle like RDR2

Not mammals, but alot in general.

They could also take inspiration from Man-Eater.

[final mauve]

can some one help me my numbers in the isle are question marks

[mild walrus]

I enjoyed that one, it was cool

[barren zephyr]

For sure, I haven't seen the new update/dlc thing yet though

[barren zephyr]

What are you taking about?

[mild walrus]

What numbers @final mauve

[final mauve]

this

its wierd

weird

[mild walrus]

That is odd, it's acting like it doesn't have the image files or something for the numbers

[final mauve]

yeah

[mild walrus]

Try restarting or something, if that doesn't work, potentially reinstalling

[barren zephyr]

Does it effect gameplay?

Just ignore it.

[mild walrus]

I guess not being able to see if there are people in the server would suck though

[final mauve]

yes

thats why im here

to ask for help

[barren zephyr]

Re-install

[mild walrus]

Well I suggest what I said earlier

If that doesn't work, you'll have to reach out to them

[barren zephyr]

Should fix it, if not just play RDR2 or GTA V

Noot-Noot

[uneven mist]

#🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧 check pins. If that doesn’t help then try @ admins or moderators

[brittle night]

@drowsy yacht Devs already stated that global chat isn't coming back, tho i agree admins should have some way of communicating with players without the need of making announcements

[drowsy yacht]

Thanks for clarifying

[thorny lynx]

I thought I saw R2D2 for a second.

Imagine being out in the wilderness and seeing an R2 unit suddenly screaming at the sight of a dinosaur.

Just the faintest, "WAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOO!!" in the distance

[barren zephyr]

Lol yeah for sure, If I said r2d2 then I'm sorry I meant RDR2 lol

[thorny lynx]

I need to see that happen. Someone make a mod of R2D2 being an AI, give it a 4 call, then make it scream when it sees a dinosaur

[runic steppe]

you can private dm people in game as an admin. It shows up like an isle announcement but its just for the one person

[turbid oasis]

Hi guys, what did you think about my suggestion for soft tissue adornments?

[cosmic nest]

Yes.

[barren zephyr]

Can someone explain why hotspotting is bad?

[civic sparrow]

U mean in game hot spots?

[hidden pilot]

cant find anyone in other spots around the map

[barren zephyr]

Yeah

[barren zephyr]

Well if people hangout in one spot doesn't that make them easy prey?

Wait till they put hypo's in thr game lol those "hot spots" will become buffets.

[civic sparrow]

I guess it’s because it encourages mix packing and makes the rest of the map feel less populated. Also when everyone is in one spot there is lag and FPS issues

[hidden pilot]

it causes lag and is kinda boring cus you dont hunt, you just fight

[hidden pilot]

that too

[fathom cliff]

@crystal trail Hey just wondering if there will ever be plans for a flyer with teeth like Dimorphodon?

[barren zephyr]

@crystal trail did you ever receive that DM?

[thorny lynx]

No, you said RDR2.

[near cairn]

Will flyers be able to choose the aviary as a spawn location ? 👀

[barren zephyr]

Probably not, but I'm sure they will have nesting locations there.

Since that's we're they were supposed to be before the escape.

[urban flax]

@jovial moss First, carcasses just spawning around is a big no in my opinion.
Second, human corpses would be much scarier if you know they were actually the body of someone who died recently instead of just random food platters spawning around.

[jovial moss]

Considering how much food a Dryo gives things, a random torso isn't going to give much food if any for most of the roster lmao

[knotty spindle]

once humans come into the game i'm sure we'll be finding a lot of those anyways

[urban flax]

That's still a carcass just spawning out of nowhere that allows to scavenge without actually even scavenging
You could play troodon as a herbivore

[urban flax]

Also yes, during the generation 2 stress test there were human bodies everywhere

[knotty spindle]

though i believe humans would taste too nasty to want to eat much anyways

[urban flax]

Idk, one can assume dinos will like the taste of human flesh

[jovial moss]

I mean, if you want to have 0 nutrients all the time sure

[urban flax]

Why would troodon not get any nutrient from eating human flesh ? It's literally the best predator for humans on the island

[jovial moss]

Also AI literally spawn everywhere now it's not like food is hard to come by in game anyway

[urban flax]

Yeah so if food isn't hard to come by, why make it even more common ?

[jovial moss]

It wouldn't tho

[urban flax]

Corpses just spawning around wouldn't be free food ?

[jovial moss]

Just make it a rare spawning object? Like 3 on the map or whatever lol

[urban flax]

What's even the point of it then ?

[jovial moss]

It's less for food and more for immersion??

[urban flax]

But it detracts from immersion

[jovial moss]

It doesn't tho

[urban flax]

If a human body can be just spawned instead of being an actual human body, it gets less scary

[jovial moss]

Make them varied enough and you won't be able to tell if it's an actual player body or not, ez

[urban flax]

It still doesn't make sense, and may be even worse
There's alays the possibility that a human body has just been spawned in, which makes the sight of a human corpse consistently less scary and more boring

This is the main reason why corpses spawning just like that is bad

[jovial moss]

I disagree

@slim thunder As someone who prefers small and medium size carnivores, the attraction of the game isn't just absolute power, it's the thrill of being hunted and the adren when you get in a fast paced crazy fight with another speedy bastard

Juking as Dryo is like the best thing ever

Also adding something like Alberto or Para or Rex or Giga or Trike or Shant right now would fuck the gameplay SO bad

[slim thunder]

each to their own everyone likes a different gameplay

[jovial moss]

Yeah

But wanting something in the game that will ruin it for the whole roster isn't a good idea right now

[slim thunder]

As long as it has its counter dino

It’s the same as saying Stego ruined the game

Nothing can counter it really

So what’s the hurt in adding something that can counter Stego slightly

[jovial moss]

The large apexes and mid tiers need consistent balance and proper mechanics to fall back on, so they can come in fully fledged without being atrocious

You add idk Alberto RIGHT now and nothing else will be played because of the gap between playables

unless they nuke the shit out of their stats to make them work but at that point why not just add the smaller analogues first lmao

Also I do not think that Stego should have been added so soon

I'd prefer the devs delete it and add it when it actually fits later but

I can't change that lol

[slim thunder]

Alberto is a strong mid tier

so obv not a good idea, something like allo

[jovial moss]

Allo is like twice Carno's weight

[slim thunder]

So?

[jovial moss]

Nothing would be able to do anything to it on land

[slim thunder]

That’s the food chain

[jovial moss]

This is a game tho

It has to be fun too

[slim thunder]

Carno can pick it’s fights it doesn’t have to fight an allo

[jovial moss]

it's not fun seeing 50 allos running around when you're a Tenonto or a Utah

[slim thunder]

50’s a bit dramatic

It’s the same as seeing a pack of carnos as a utah

[jovial moss]

You say that but if Carno's overpop when it's too good is anything to go by lol

[slim thunder]

You’ll never be able to change that perspective

[jovial moss]

The game needs to be more stable before something game changing like Allo comes in, the map needs to be more complete with hiding spots and caves and climbing away, bc rn it's still just a big arena since a lot of areas on the current map are unused, so there's not a lot of places to go or things to do when everyone goes Allo because it's the strongest land carnivore that can push everything else around

Also before you add a big carnivore ideally you'd add 2 or 3 herbivores for it to fight, instead of shoving Allo in now to fight Carnos and shit on Utahs and Tenontos

[tight oxide]

the map could use tiny caves for smaller dinosaurs ngl

[jovial moss]

Yeeee

[tight oxide]

would be cool to be able to run into a cave meant for smalls while a carno or something is chasing you

also more logs in rivers would be great for deino babies

[jovial moss]

I think they're workin on that

[tight oxide]

that is if they remove being able to bite through walls

[jovial moss]

idk about caves tho

[slim thunder]

I suggested a while back that pipes could be in the water taht they could swim up

[tight oxide]

caves in a game like this are a must have imo

[slim thunder]

smaller deinos

[tight oxide]

so uh

you guys saw the utah bite buff thing?

65n now

[slim thunder]

I doubt they will, that concept is pretty hard to fix development wise

[tight oxide]

I think its possible

games like primal carnage have it

[slim thunder]

Possible but impractical with the amount of work they have to do

[tight oxide]

and it is a must have for humans

you cant expect humans to feel safe in a building when that one rex can put their head inside and chomp lmao

[slim thunder]

I’m used to legacy lol

just stay 10 feet away from anything ez

[tight oxide]

humans slow

even dryo solos them

[jovial moss]

Dryos are like cow sized so it's understandable

[urban flax]

I've seen humans solo deinos in the mechanic test tho

[tight oxide]

I think the ik system coming out would fix it anyways

[tight oxide]

they are shorter than humans-

[tight oxide]

deinos back then lacked brain cells

[urban flax]

They're basically the same height, but much heavier

[tight oxide]

thought dryo in the insert menu is smaller?

[urban flax]

I'm not certain sizes in the inster menu are 100% accurate

[tight oxide]

either way dryos were smaller than humans in the test pretty sure

[jovial moss]

I wouldn't trust the in game sizes quite yet since they are WIP, especially the humans lol

[tight oxide]

meh I still stand by my point of what I saw ingame

also what do yall think of the knock down nerf from the devblog?

[urban flax]

Sounds good

[balmy meadow]

@slim fox I suggested that a while up as well!

#general-feedback message

[urban flax]

I think species-based scars are pretty much confirmed now that we've seen a WIP of the upcoming scar system...

[balmy meadow]

Also, a quick bump for my Click and Hold 3 call idea!
#general-feedback message

[urban flax]

This is also being worked on according to the devblog

[balmy meadow]

[slim fox]

Oooo, I didn’t realize, I’ll upvote yours now! :3

[urban flax]

@mellow moat You know deinosuchus can currently go in salt water just fine, right ? It just can't hydrate itself from it

[balmy meadow]

Ty! I’ve upvoted yours too!

[mellow moat]

yes i know it but he loses water in there very quickly and i want it to u know just be there without the worry of the water and after his salt meter goes too high he should go back to fresh water to lower it.

[somber jolt]

Somebody give me an actual good reason why dryo should stay a playable

[hidden pilot]

Burrows, fodder, cute, scary when playing as one

[somber jolt]

Burrowing isn't a fun mechanic, it's just hiding in the ground. A playable shouldn't just be fodder, that's literally what ai is for. Something being cute doesn't make it viable

[limber hull]

Dryo is one of the most viable characters atm tbh. If it doesn't want to die, it probably won't

[hidden pilot]

We dont know anything about burrowing yet other than its gonna be a great improvement to legacy

[limber hull]

Also I like how you don't like burrowing, so you've already made the call that it's going to be outright unfun for everyone

I personally think dryo is cool, and could easily be given a niche as a quick-footed nocturnal herbivore

[hidden pilot]

[somber jolt]

Explain to me what's fun about an invincibility hole

[hidden pilot]

Its more than that

[somber jolt]

Also this niche can be filled by hypsi

[hidden pilot]

And ur not invincible

[limber hull]

Hypsi is going to be an arboreal climbing herbivore

[hidden pilot]

No because hypsi is a tree climber so dryo would fit it better

[somber jolt]

Then how about proto or galli

[limber hull]

A: It's not invincibility, several carnivores can easily access it, including troodon
B: Having access to an area few others do, and being able to customise your own little habitat or den is genuinely appealing to me

[hidden pilot]

I like it too

[limber hull]

proto is a burrowing coastal herbivore that (potentially) can drink from salt water, galli is an omnivorous fast-footed egg stealer

accept that some people like dryo lmao

[hidden pilot]

Every animal will have its own niche to an extent

[somber jolt]

I don't understand, you'd rather sit in a hole making it pretty waiting for a troodon to come in and kill you rather than actually playing the game

[limber hull]

so you don't like ANY burrower?

[hidden pilot]

What?

[limber hull]

because it sounds like you mainly have a problem with burrowers

[somber jolt]

Burrowing as a mechanic is flawed

[hidden pilot]

Its rly not

[limber hull]

Its got counterplay (plus, it gives certain carnivores and growth stages more unique niches and reason to exist, thus validating juvis and smaller carnivores over their larger counterparts)

[somber jolt]

So the herbi in the burrow is just essentially in a deathcage if something that gets in happens to find it

[hidden pilot]

Not if u have another entrance

[limber hull]

Except we have confirmation that burrows will be more complex, potentially containing several maze-like paths and multiple exits

Nothing like legacy

[hidden pilot]

Exactly, way better

[somber jolt]

Sounds like proto could fill the niche dryo does then

Burrowing quick footed herbi

[lapis swallow]

Is it fast?

[limber hull]

Except proto won't be nearly as fast and focuses more on a coastal lifestyle

[lapis swallow]

A ceratopsian fast?

[somber jolt]

If its not its gonna get destroyed

[hidden pilot]

We literally just stated that its coastal and has different niche

[hidden pilot]

By larger things but thats the reason for burrows

[somber jolt]

So its forced to stick close to it's burrow incase anything bigger than a utah shows up?

[hidden pilot]

Never said that

But if u wanna play it wimpy that works ig

[somber jolt]

You just said proto is going to be destroyed by things too large to get in its burrow without its burrow

[lapis swallow]

Not forced and nothing but a utah and a carno will pose a threat anyway because of its speed

[hidden pilot]

I said thats why it has burrows not that it cant leave them

[somber jolt]

So if a utah shows up and it doesn't have its beloved burrow right there its gonna die basically

[lapis swallow]

No because it has more stam

I said threat, not death

[hidden pilot]

Its can hide, run, maybe even swim away

[somber jolt]

If its as slow as you say it's gonna be utahs gonna way outspeed it so slightly more stam doesn't matter

[hidden pilot]

The swimming away tactic also works

[lapis swallow]

Swimming stam

Just get to the other side of the coast

[somber jolt]

Where's it gonna swim, the ocean?

[hidden pilot]

Or to an island

[lapis swallow]

And who said that utahs will hunt protos

[somber jolt]

Everything needs to be balanced against everything

"It won't hunt it" isn't an excuse for poor balancing

[low canopy]

you could have this same discussion about basically any animal in the game and make just as little sense

[hidden pilot]

No actually, a proto doesnt have to survive something twice as big as it to be viable

[somber jolt]

Not just utah though, literally any Carnivore with speed

Mono, dilo, carno

[hidden pilot]

Back to what dinohappen said, those things may not hunt on the coast, stuff like velo which it can defend from, Prob will be

[somber jolt]

So because it "probably won't hunt coasts" it shouldn't be taken into account when balancing

Coasts just sound like a place to put animals the devs don't want to balance

[last lily]

^This; burrower dyro lame, nocturnal evasion Dyro based

[somber jolt]

Ok now I could see that working

Allow it to bully other herbis out of burrows as a place to chill during the day

[hidden pilot]

[hidden pilot]

Not rly

[somber jolt]

What are herbis not allowed to fight eachother?

[hidden pilot]

One thing doesnt have to survive everything to be viable

[hidden pilot]

I suppose they can but why would a dryo attack something

[last lily]

I'd honestly really enjoy if Dyro was a nocturnal specialist(we have no nocturnal herbivores at the moment) with a kit that aids in evasion and maybe some stuff to make it one of the most social playables-not sure how one would go about that but it could end up being quite fun to just mess around with.

Dyro has long legs, large eyes, and a body that all around is ideal for high speed, and maneuverability. It's also a quick easy grow and on the cuter side, so take that as you will.

That's all, rip; I'm going to sleep.

[hidden pilot]

Good idea

Goodbye

[last lily]

[somber jolt]

Woah woah hold up

Dryo would attack other burrowing herbis

Thought it said that

Either that or find a vacant burrow

Nvm ignore me in just dragging out the argument

[jagged jewel]

it's a ceratopsian it can fend off a utah for sure

[jagged jewel]

how? it just has a 15n peck

[somber jolt]

Kicks

[jagged jewel]

how much damage would this kick do

[somber jolt]

Enough to bully other borrowers. It wouldn't have to kill them, just push them out of burrows

[jagged jewel]

isle players don't behave like that

if they get attacked they will just fight until death

[limber hull]

why does everything need combat potential, especially dryo lmao

[jagged jewel]

dryo doesn't even need a kick to begin with

if you want to make someone leave your burrow, destroy the burrow

[jagged jewel]

clearly compy needs a latch with 300 N damage

[limber hull]

necessity

[jagged jewel]

it's too underpowered

[somber jolt]

Dryo needs something to make it fun beside dodging predators

If not to bully borrowers it should atleast get a kick to defend itself from dinos like velo

[jagged jewel]

you can still bully dinos without a kick

also a dryo can 100% outrun a velo

and probably even facetank one

without kick

[somber jolt]

A kick would just make dryo feel cleaner to play as though, instead of just spam pecking everything

Everything should have atleast 2 attacks

Wouldn't want to the game to turn into legacy bite moshpit

[barren zephyr]

herbivore therefore not allowed to fight back

[jagged jewel]

that's not the thing, dryo just doesn't need it

[limber hull]

i dont personally see a need for dryo to be more combat capable

that's not its identity, nor has it ever been

[jagged jewel]

they should have 2 or more attacks, if they actually need them

dryo can survive perfectly fine without a kick

[somber jolt]

Just because it doesn't need it to survive doesn't mean to shouldn't have them

It should be fun to play, not just able to survive

[barren zephyr]

Dryos bite is also kinda useless, I wouldn’t mind a defensive kick for it

[thick quarry]

What if it could have an early predator warning system like a meerkat
A dryo stands up high and you see its idle animation become restless, meaning something dangerous is nearby
This way it could band together with larger herbivores for protection and provide a service, like a symbiotic relationship

[limber hull]

a burrow or nocturnal habits could make it fun without needing combat

i had a big list of changes i'd have to dryo

[somber jolt]

Combat is a core part of the game, everything does it in some way shape or form

If it doesn't no ones gonna play it

Hence why no one plays dryo rn

[limber hull]

• Increased FOV. This helps stay true to dryo's scout/skittish nature, allowing it to perceive threats sooner and more frequently, and reacting fast.
• Nocturnal habits/NV. Dryo being a nocturnal herbivore makes it far more interesting, having it focus more on the stealth of darkness, and placing it more within the hunting range of troo and dilo, rather than utahs and carnos. Being a plains-based herbivore, the night can act as a veil of stealth where it otherwise would have little to none. It also provides a unique and interesting niche, as this game is yet to see a nocturnal herbivore.
• 3D directional dodge and additional dodge distance. Let the dodge act as a way to disengage extremely quickly, allowing for sharp corner turns and 180 degree turns with a quick burst of speed. The dodge, as it stands, is pretty ineffective, being locked to only turning left or right by 90 degrees.
• Burrows. It doesn't even need to build burrows, having it take control over and maintained abandoned burrows spawned naturally in the game or by other players would mean it wouldn't be a burrower as much as something that takes advantage of its environment and situations

(from my original post about things to give to dryo)

no one plays dryo because it is mechanically inferior to most of the animals

and combat doesn't aid that

[somber jolt]

That's all cool but no one with brain cells wants to spend their time sitting in a burrow and running away from stuff when they could play another more interesting herbivore

[hidden pilot]

[jagged jewel]

"I don't like this playstyle therefore nobody else will"

[limber hull]

i actually like the idea of an evasive herbivore more than ALWAYS having to fight literally everything that wants me dead

too bad hypsi and dryo aren't feature complete

[jagged jewel]

i would play this dryo way more than the current one

[somber jolt]

You don't always have to fight as anything