general-feedback-discussion

[tepid gate]

then again I also hear Stegos more often

and they aren't annoying either lest they are right next to me

[paper oriole]

Just occasionally its a cool as call to hear in the distance but when theres packs of them spamming like carno currently does its gonna ruin the cool sounds it makes by associating it with megapacking spam calling apex mains

[tepid gate]

Carnos I occasionally hear in the distance

I don't bump into them much either though

idk might be a difference in servers or just the part of the map that I stick to

[paper oriole]

I dont bump in to them a lot because theyre usually noisy idiots i can avoid, a few of them have two braincells to rub together though

[tepid gate]

I don't really avoid them tbh, I sometimes even look for them

if I'm an adult Teno I will probably go after the closest Carno call

[paper oriole]

I had one sneak up on me while i was eating a bit back but the moron somehow missed his charge on an unaware target lmao

[limber hull]

i do agree that carno's call is stupid but i also feel that it fits the animal shockingly well

[tepid gate]

it kind of does

I'm not arguing in favour of changing it

I just don't like the call

then again I don't particularly like Carno either

[rare fractal]

It does, just doesn't suit well to being repeated, granted nothing does, but the "Super Burp" it has going on doesn't help

[tepid gate]

I do like Allo's call though

[rare fractal]

I just find carno bland as a playable

[paper oriole]

Allo has one of the best broadcasts in the isle

Allo 1 call and para 3 call are top tier

[tepid gate]

I typically rate the playable based on how much I like the dinosaur it is based on

[rare fractal]

Even after years of spam calling, I still don't dislike it

[limber hull]

i mean, carno's for specific people. I don't fault carno for existing, lots of people like the animal and actively want to play it

[paper oriole]

But im not looking forward to the spam

[tepid gate]

Carno is like... mediocre in my mind

[paper oriole]

Carno is alright ig, not as bad as rex call that shits unoriginal and annoying

[tepid gate]

it's I think the best abelisaurid but that doesn't mean much in my book

since I dislike this group of animals in general, get back under the feet of your allosauroid overlords, you pug-faced slobs

[rare fractal]

I'm the direct opposite xD
The irl animal is almost entirely disassociated in my mind from their in game portrayal, otherwise I'd hate Rex IRL or Utah IRL.... tbf for Utah it's not a difficult seperation.
I rate them on functionality and integration into the rest of the playables

[tepid gate]

I rate Rex irl about the same as Carno

I don't dislike it but it's not my favourite theropod by any stretch of the imagination

[limber hull]

i'm just kind of the person to go "dinosaurs cool i like" and my rating entirely depends on how they are in game

[tepid gate]

to be fair - my rating of them irl changes on how they are in the game

[manic flint]

I do a mix between irl and in game

[tepid gate]

prior to playing The Isle I was completely indifferent to Giga

[paper oriole]

Rex's overexposure and it being shovedin the forefront of almost all dino media detracts from its likability. I get sick of seeing it

[manic flint]

True

[tepid gate]

atm it's one of my favourite theropods thanks to its legacy model

[limber hull]

like i think rex is cool, even if it's everywhere. nothing really changes that for me

[tepid gate]

just damn that model is so good

[paper oriole]

New giga model is a downgrade, a crime

[tepid gate]

^

[manic flint]

Too bad we get basic Giga in Evrima

[tepid gate]

It's not bad per se, just worse than the old one

[paper oriole]

Why tf did they change its unique and iconic design to a generic simplified design

[rare fractal]

I don't, but that's mainly because 99% of rexes' media portrayal doesn't look very much like it

[paper oriole]

Giga got the simplified logo treatment

[tepid gate]

the old one had this ideal mixture of fictionalising the animal and giving it its own Isle-esque touch while keeping it close enough to the irl counterpart

[manic flint]

Nobody would complain about that model if it was the only one

But the fact that it is replacing a much better model is what is annoying

[tepid gate]

^

[paper oriole]

I hope they can at least gather the sense to give the new one it’s dewlap back, but the old ones crest as well was superior

[tepid gate]

Tbh now I kind of think the first Giga model was also better

I don't think they're going to be changing that model much if at all

[rare fractal]

Sub giga is best giga

[tepid gate]

but who knows maybe they will rework it once more by the time it's supposed to come out

[paper oriole]

They did modify herrera after feedback but that seems to be a rare case

It originally had a different snout/teeth that looked too dromeosaur like

[keen bough]

Does anybody else find it really dumb that people are complaining about having 60-90 fps like bruh! that's great

[rare fractal]

Depends on the rig they're running, although anyone complaining about 90fps minimum is...... well..... I have no words

@zealous violet I was actually a big fan of the 1 call utah had up till 3.75, sounded a lot more atmospheric

[manic flint]

I got 15... Now after I messed around with the render scale i get 30-45

[zealous violet]

Right! I loved the calls we had when Evrima first came out and then when we got the 2nd map change they were stilly pretty good.
Now it just sounds like some ranodm guy getting punched in the gut, its awful.
Theres even a video floating around on The Isle facebook forums of a guy grunting through a funnel and it bloody sounds exactly like it XD

[bleak atlas]

Sadly i agree

[barren zephyr]

Carno is not op, carnivore diet is

[paper oriole]

Aint having this discussion for the hundredth time

[barren zephyr]

You are right, never start discussions you can't win

[paper oriole]

Nice bait attempt buddy

[barren zephyr]

What attempt? I don't have the time to discuss

[rare fractal]

That's actually hilarious xD
Imma try and find that now for comparison, put it in general feedback just to drive home the meme.

[zealous violet]

I totally would but I dont think its a youtube video, I think its a straight to facebook video.

[rare fractal]

Unfortunate, but at least we have evidence…. Somewhere

[barren zephyr]

@pulsar inlet #phase-three-requests is to say which things you want to be shown on #phase-two-archive every wednesday, suggestions go in #general-feedback

[warm flame]

1k+ pings is all I'm seeing

[gaunt canopy]

?

[signal beacon]

[warm flame]

[sick dirge]

Is this an attempt to solicit a response lol

[barren zephyr]

Why dm them lol

[signal beacon]

No it's me wondering how the fuck you get upwards of one thousand pings

[warm flame]

I saw someone who had like 9k pings

[burnt bone]

[sick dirge]

No I was talking to BRENDAN

The 1k pings thing is just

How

[tight oxide]

Ignore everyone for a year ez

But fr doesnt that bother them?...

[warm flame]

maybe it's a ping collection

[gaunt canopy]

I have know idea how

[sick dirge]

Did you

Did you check them

[gaunt canopy]

A few

[unborn lance]

Iridescence isn't a glow. It's changing colour based on light direction. In the dark iridescent structures are basically black.

I think a good compromise would be to make it exclusive to males. Which is often the case with birds. It would not be any more detrimental to camoflage than the bright color regions of other species.

[gaunt canopy]

The way they said shiny iridescence they made me think it ment glowing

[warm flame]

shiny isn't glowing

[paper oriole]

it can looks like it under certain lighting, but just think of a glossy or metalic shine, that's irridescent feathers/scales. they reflect colors better than other surfaces a lot like a mirror

glowing would be incandescence or something, not irridescence

[warm flame]

some thresher sharks have iridescence

[warm flame]

although I don't think I can show any example images here cause of rule 5

but the iridescence that thresher sharks have can make them into a purple, gold, and blue color

[paper oriole]

man i hate how if i look up shark images most of it is dumb fishermen with dead ones

same thing with a lot of ungulate animals, row after row of posing with dead bodies. the sharks do look cool though

[warm flame]

unfortunately I think thresher sharks iridescence can only be visible on land

[paper oriole]

makes sense, underwater lighting is a lot different

[warm flame]

OK AND THAT'S RULE 34 THRESHER SHARKS WHAT THE HELL

[paper oriole]

LMAO

[warm flame]

that just took a turn

[paper oriole]

Oml i think i may have run in to the same sharksona nsfw pic you saw

[warm flame]

here's an image of a breaching thresher shark with some iridescence

[warm flame]

is the background supposed to be transparent

[paper oriole]

Yeah its the checkered background

[warm flame]

I think so then

[paper oriole]

lmao

[warm flame]

our eyes have been cursed by the same image, neither of us will be the same

[paper oriole]

the gradient coloring on it also makes it even nicer

[burnt bone]

good to note, do not keep scrolling if you google "thresher shark"

[paper oriole]

im used to seeing those kinds of images at least, i have a deviantart acct and it always pops up on my recommended feed because the site doesnt know how to properly recommend shit

[warm flame]

it's if you google "iridescent thresher shark", but if you search "iridescent thresher shark drawing" it'll be one of the first things you see

[paper oriole]

irridescent thresher shark is the exact thing i searched too no wonder lol

[burnt bone]

good to note

[warm flame]

although I don't quite know if iridescence can be made with game models, or at least I don't know how to do it

[paper oriole]

i think metallic coloring is possible to do in blender, or what ever modeling, coloring and rigging program they use

though it isnt just plain metallic

its just similar

[warm flame]

I think that they use blender to make the model, ZBrush to make the normal maps, and blender to do the rigging as well
idk what they use to make the rest of the texturing though, much less how they do it

but yeah metallic is a possibility

[paper oriole]

some of these programs allow you to modify the glossiness of a surface texture which is basically what irridescence is

[warm flame]

iridescence is more complex than just a roughness/gloss map though, since it only shows up in certain lighting

[paper oriole]

true, so idk if they could really do it, but they could probably pull it off close enough to be passable if its only on regional areas of an animal. maybe youtube has the answers though

[warm flame]

though the only maps I've tried out are the sheen and roughness maps, and I don't even know if I did the sheen right if I'm honest, I'll definitely see if any other maps can pull off an iridescent look

I don't think that the metallic map would work though since it makes thing well, metallic
iridescence may require a combination of maps really

[paper oriole]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMiXPjwSkEo hard to tell since its modeled on a blanket lmao

[warm flame]

"hmmm, what can I use for this iridescence tutorial... ah yes, a blanket, perfect"

[paper oriole]

spooky legs ghost

[warm flame]

I'll hold onto that tutorial and try it out on something that'll make it easier to tell if the iridescence works

probably a fish or something

[gaunt canopy]

Ok so it’s like what oil looks like with light ok that makes sense now why mistook it for glowing thanks for explaining

[paper oriole]

Quite similar to that yeah

[topaz plaza]

@wooden mica bruh you got devs talking to us every damn day

the isle news channel uploads stuff almost every day with the devs talking about the game or replying to questions

that's x1000 more communication than other teams

[wooden mica]

except thats not the updates in roadmap or phase 2 tabs, where a good portion of people tend to keep their eye on

[paper oriole]

I think that belongs in phase 2 requests but i dont think the devs read that channel either

[wooden mica]

I just want the weekly updates to be actually weekly, and be on the discord, not just a youtube channel you have to look for yourself

[paper oriole]

They always discuss shit theyve got underway or even done and never show it, its upsetting

Instead we get a shitty courting animation lmao

[wooden mica]

the bane of our existence mira

[paper oriole]

Sometimes i feel like theyre making them bad on purpose for some sort of sick social experiment

[wooden mica]

also the streams are rarely advertised

[topaz plaza]

that's an entirely different issue then. That's not "the devs not communicating", that's you just wanting more stuff to be announced

which we all do

[paper oriole]

I wish theyd post highlights from the streams as well

[wooden mica]

and of those streams, none of the streamers actually have their videos be saved so you cant go back to that official spot

I mean, that was my point, more updates kali

updates are communication

[topaz plaza]

no it wasn't, but ok

[wooden mica]

Hey man, if i say thats what i mean, its what i mean, not what you say i mean

jokes aside, my comment is about wanting weekly updates

[paper oriole]

His feedback does literally say “update us more often”

[topaz plaza]

I don't really care to argue this with you. either way, if you want more info on the game of "even just scraps lumped together" you can find exactly that on the isle news youtube channel

[wooden mica]

this guy

[paper oriole]

We get scraps, and usually it seems like the worst scraps available because they talk about cool shit they’re doing and then show us some dumb pachy jumping up and down

[topaz plaza]

yea that animation is really bad

[paper oriole]

The phase 2 channel exists for a reason and its neglected

A post a week and its usually the most mundane shit they have on hand

[wooden mica]

my point is, isle news isnt an official channel, its someone getting all their shit and trying to keep us up to date, which is what should be done and put into the update channel not a 3rd party uploader, as handy as they are, nothing will be more cement than the actual staff updating us in the discords official channels, for updates.

[topaz plaza]

I mean what did you expect them to post there anyway

they're posting what they're doing

[paper oriole]

Not really

[topaz plaza]

they made new animations, they posted them there

[wooden mica]

you cant even look at their recaps of streams unless someone else has managed to get the footage, their twitch streams have no history

[paper oriole]

Theyre posting extremely selective snippets of what they’re doing, a lot of stuff is shown in streams that dont get clipped, the devs tell people in discussion “we’re almost done with this model” “we have this animation getting done” etc and it never gets shown

[topaz plaza]

I'd rather have them spend their time developing the game than taking all these steps to tell us every single thing they do

the development of this game is already slow enough

[paper oriole]

It takes literally 5 seconds to post a picture in phase 2 and they have a community manager who can do this

[wooden mica]

the thing is, theres devs and theres PR and admins who gather info for updates, the actual game creators wont be impacted

[topaz plaza]

huh? bruh they show literally all of that

[wooden mica]

mira seems to be on the same page here too, 3rd parties shouldnt have to do what the official discord is able to do, to keep us up to date

[topaz plaza]

i'm out

[paper oriole]

No lmao

[wooden mica]

who knew wed be on the same side for once mira gg

[paper oriole]

Yeah ive begged for more content of anything in phase 2 requests multiple times and its useless to even try sadly

Were just gonna get idk, channel catfish courting dance or something next week

[wooden mica]

i feel like i dont even remember the last actual weekly update, it feels like its been years

[paper oriole]

It feels like forever because its so forgettable what they post usually

[wooden mica]

"today we worked on the tiny crab eyes"

[paper oriole]

A pachy jumping up and down, a picture of some grass sometimes

[paper oriole]

I'd prefer crab modeling over courting dances

[wooden mica]

true, those crabs are pretty good

GIB MORE CRAB

[paper oriole]

I want to watch coconut crab modeling clip

[wooden mica]

scavenger crabs need to be a thing, so many people get yeeted on those beach cliffs and need cleaning up

[paper oriole]

Boars and crabs both should scavenge

[wooden mica]

fuckinnnn boars tho damn swine

[paper oriole]

Well, the boars may kill for their food sometimes

[wooden mica]

boars be like "ayo, if it moves its food"

but then they dont even eat it

[paper oriole]

It feeds their soul

[wooden mica]

their pitch black devil hearts

[limber hull]

one thing i would like to see done with boars is a population decrease lmao

it seems to me like all other AI is underpopulated compared to the swarms of boar

[wooden mica]

hey man, boars havin the baby boom

soon they will be boomers called karen

[limber hull]

doesn't help that the boars also have a HUGE food output, making larger carnivores have a great time

[last lily]

The Boars are why the map looks dead for the most part. Lore.

[wooden mica]

baby control = boars = no one lives = only boars = not dino game is boar game

[last lily]

Boar should seek out nests and destroy/eat every single egg unless scared off.. and rip up the forest floor in search of roots, mushrooms and what not.

Ecosystem wreckers.

[wooden mica]

the actual horror aspect of the isle is just the boars

[paper oriole]

Real human introduced invasive species action letsgo

[wooden mica]

who needs cannibals when you have agro pigs

[last lily]

Not surprising, considering how much damage they do to modern day ecosystems ..

[limber hull]

yo when oviraptor comes out, make the chickens randomly lay eggs lmao. Since they're likely the domesticated kind, they'd lay all the damn time, meaning ovis could still eat their beloved eggs without needing to constantly raid dinosaur nests

[wooden mica]

with all those goats there should be no more foliage at goat height, they eat all

anywhere theres a goat, barren wasteland of only leaves in the top of trees

[last lily]

The boars are why there's basically only fucking palm trees and bushes in the plains.

[wooden mica]

I just hope they dont make them eat dino diet plants, now THAT would be horror

[last lily]

Dew it

Baby Tenoto wants his mountain ash or radishes? Boar already there and wants some meat to go with it.

Swine nuke that has infinite stamina, and heat seeking AI because BRRRRRRRR

[wooden mica]

boar be like "tis a fine cuisine, teno with a sprinkling of ash"

"sashimi deino with a dash of burdock"

[last lily]

If you know, you know.

[wooden mica]

bruh moment

[wooden mica]

just a reminder, water buffalo will do a hippo move, they live on land but they will go into water and do the ol one two punch with their heads, scary shit, also, dangerous. you see kangaroos in aus do it too, go into water to avoid predators because they can stand where the predator would need to swim

its also the only herbi that can do it, at this point. granted there should be a bit of a damage decrease due to the effort of attacking in water, should they swing the tail

[paper oriole]

Roos will straight up bait a predator in to the water and drown it with their arms

Teno doing this wen

[wooden mica]

roos be like "ayo, i heard you like drowning"

and this all considering roos exist in areas with big ass crocs and they just yeet in there and go on the offense

[paper oriole]

And if teno never gets it i hope some other herbi like plateo or para gets it

[wooden mica]

am i right in thinking only steg can get that deep before swimming mira? its been a couple weeks since I played a teno and its in the place where you swim before you even touch the water itself LOL

[paper oriole]

I dont think it really fits stego's niche but that seems to be the case rn

Id save it for shant and give most terrestrials reduced damage output while in deep water

[wooden mica]

anyway, i dont see why you cant use water to take a defensive position, chances are theres a croc, otherwise you live another day? is that so wrong?

[paper oriole]

But atm it seems mostly stego exclusive, tenos do it at the very edge but of course, its useless to do with an adult deino

[paper oriole]

Some animals definitely should be designed to do it, like tenonto and maybe some hadrosaurs

Or plateo (i still want semi aquatic plateo ☹️)

[wooden mica]

right? even some random ass real animals that you wouldnt think would use the water do it, i think the only time its an issue is when youre on one of those legacy servers where you cant swim during pvp because body denying or w/e

[paper oriole]

Yeah though legacy is pretty irrelevant now

[wooden mica]

yup

[paper oriole]

Some crazy animals definitely use water that dont look like they would, moose do it enough that orcas are a predator for then

[wooden mica]

so, if your chosen prey goes water defence and isnt yeeted by a deino, either wait it out or find some new food, its only an issue when the devs say it is

[paper oriole]

I like those karma vids where a carno chases a teno in to a river and gets nabbed by a deino

[wooden mica]

but then you get sadpepe when a fresh ptera gets nabbed by a full deino

poor guy

[paper oriole]

That shits funny lol

[wooden mica]

you dont even see the wings its so small in the mouth

[paper oriole]

Especially the poor bastards who arent good at skimming falling in mere minutes after spawn and getting nabbed

This is a heartwarming video I saw posted earlier

[wooden mica]

bring in anti baby PT kill mechanics for specifically full sized deinos, how dare

[paper oriole]

But baby PTs are like potato chips

Would you deny a deino his potato chips?

[wooden mica]

yes, because you give it time, those chips become wedges, much more filling

[barren zephyr]

the Teno should've died for using the disgusting water tactics but it's funny 😛

[paper oriole]

Nah he was doing the right thing

[wooden mica]

they arent disgusting tactics

[paper oriole]

That carno deserved it, overpopulated rat animal

[limber hull]

hero

[wooden mica]

why people gotta demonize using water as defense, we got body drag and floating now simmer down

[paper oriole]

Teno has higher swim speed for a reason

[limber hull]

the fuck you mean "disgusting water tactics". It's meant to use water as a getaway, carno is meant to be mainly terrestrial

nothing disgusting about using your environment to your advantage

[paper oriole]

“How dare you, a faster swimming animal use water to avoid an annoying predator that grows easier than you do, is faster than you on land and is overplayed on every server”

That teno is a chad

[wooden mica]

people be like "hes using disgusting tactics/exploiting the water" when literally anything doesnt just turn around and fight then and there

[paper oriole]

And that deino, true MVP

“Disgusting tactics” is carnivore slang for “not rolling over and dying”

[wooden mica]

didnt just sit down and accept death? exploiting

[limber hull]

"damn you for using a risky environment filled to the brink with 8 ton instant kill predators to escape from an animal much larger and faster than you. you should either run or fight, where your predator can stand on semi-equal footing, rather than use the water to gain a distinct advantage"

[paper oriole]

Herbivores should just eat grass and die like lambs

[wooden mica]

"how dare you use waterways to get away from me, i demand food"

or actually, right now its "i demand the satisfaction of killing, i dont care if i need food or not"

[paper oriole]

“Exploit! Disgusting tactics! Cheater!” Screams the carno mains as another player does anything more than run away in a straight line from the animal faster than it

[limber hull]

god cant wait for people to complain that tacos keep using "disgusting burrow tactics" like going into a burrow when a big predator approaches them

should've accepted the duel smh

[wooden mica]

taco being killed but just making it into the safety of a burrow "CHEATING"

[paper oriole]

Herrera uses disgusting tactics by climbing a tree to get away from an allo

Hypsi uses disgusting tactics by… idk jumping on a rock?

[wooden mica]

"pt op because fly, they have no danger" every pt- death on landing

[limber hull]

Me: Awesome epic predator (cool) (strong)
You: Weak pathetic cheating herbivore (lame) (doesn't fight by my rules/cheater)

[paper oriole]

“Disgusting tactics” sneers the utah as pteranodon holds the space bar for 3 seconds

[wooden mica]

"shitty coward" says the deino as a pt sits on a rock out of reach

[paper oriole]

“Stupid exploiting hacker” says the allo to the beipi swimming in a pond

[barren zephyr]

In Teno's case, it was the right thing to do.. but in most situations people go deep enough where they shouldn't be able to attack, and yet they're still able to.. while you pretty much can't do anything to attack it.

[wooden mica]

I mean, you can attack it back?

[paper oriole]

Then dont follow it

[limber hull]

you don't need to hunt it lmao

[wooden mica]

or that

[barren zephyr]

It's just a super easy way for that herbivore to just gain invincibility with no counterplay whatsoever

[limber hull]

deino

[tight oxide]

"Dumb speed hacker" says the cera to the carno

[wooden mica]

this just in, you dont have to follow through with a hunt on prey that gets away

[limber hull]

deino kill thing in water

[paper oriole]

News flash: sometimes you get outplayed even if you’re the easiest to grow and play land predator in the game get gud

[barren zephyr]

There's situations where you are dire on food and you can't afford to be picky, and there won't always be a Deino around to get it out either.

What happens then?

[paper oriole]

If youre starving on carno of all things you deserve it

[wooden mica]

prey uses water to escape? dont call it exploiting or disgusting tactics, just go find more food, or, sit and wait til it has to come out to eat

[paper oriole]

Boars everywhere, juvi carnos everywhere, a few herbis on land

[wooden mica]

turtles are a plague

theres a place on north where theres fresh water and turtles for days

[last lily]

Vietnam Taco pits and tunnels.

[wooden mica]

easy mode

[paper oriole]

Oh yeah i use those turtles to afk grow every carno or utah ive made since their introduction

[cyan flame]

Then you failed the hunt and will starve. It happens.

[barren zephyr]

I'll just agree to disagree

[cyan flame]

You won't always get your kill, no matter how much you might need it.

[wooden mica]

yeah we are pretty passionate spartan better luck next time

[barren zephyr]

In the picture I shared I do not have footing at all and my thagomizer is partially submerged

I don't think I should be able to swing in a situation like that

[wooden mica]

I do, but at a greater disadvantage

[cyan flame]

But a rex doing something like that could still bite. You do realize that sort of tactic will happen with others that can also do that. What then? :p

[wooden mica]

think back to my comment on buffalo

[paper oriole]

I agree that most terrestrials should have their attack power dampened in the water…

But using water in general isnt a “disgusting tactic”

[cyan flame]

But sure, attacking through deep water could result in weaker attacks, not that it would always make a difference depending on the predator and prey anyway.

[wooden mica]

water makes things stupid hard to do, but unless youre having muscle cramps where you cant move, or youre being eaten.....

everything can make some difference

even the most terrestrial of terrestrials could still bite while in a full swim, also that foot being off the ground bit, that looks more like mapping of ground not matching the actual ground boundary

pretty common on rocks

[barren zephyr]

There's no Rex currently in game, the only land carnivores are Utah and Carno.. and when a situation like that happens you're pretty much forced to go find another prey because someone used a brainless technique that just saved their lives because no one can touch it.

It would be cool if there was some counterplay to it, you can't always rely on Deino.

Using your environment for your advantage is okay, having your body halfway submerged in water and still be able to attack is not.

[wooden mica]

its not brainless to use water, youre literally using the environment to your advantage to stay alive

sounds like big brain survival

when you swim you use stam, if they go that deep, theyll drown, if they can manage water dampening on attacks then standing in water shouldnt be such a hot issue either

[cyan flame]

Yes but I'm thinking about how any argument can be applied when we do have the full roster. If you can't handle a situation now, how do you think it'll go in the future. Same thing with how deinos complain about stegos, they forget that there are far worse things coming. Just pointing out that you can't argue for a fix that is specific when others can do similar. Okay, let's say stego can't swing, what about trike, rex, you know you're going to end up in a situation where they do the same thing. How do you fix that then? And how is it brainless to use terrain and be smart? Isn't that part of survival, part of being smart? You know, it's not a fighting game, sometimes survival = just make sure the other guy can't get you in the first place.

[wooden mica]

commit to it and swim bite the prey OR move on, you dont have to stay and hunt if they out maneuver you and get into the water, carnos for example are more speedy, put yourself between the prey and water

[cyan flame]

If there's always counterplay, then there's no "failed hunt" is there, barring "Oh I killed all the predators" or just outright running. What's wrong with having more criteria for failed hunts, such as inability to reach the target, or similar.

Utahs can jump up on rocks, pachies and sometimes tenos can too. And there the carno can only stand and hope they come down, and doesn't decide to safelog :p

[wooden mica]

yeah im sick of die or kill the predator being the only play

for terrestrials

[cyan flame]

And in this case, a taller target can use the water to slow down a smaller one. Carnos can pull that vs utahs as well I'm pretty sure.

[elfin axle]

Sorry but that last suggestion is literally just a Stego using the environment to it's advantage, I really don't see anything wrong with it

[cyan flame]

Even in legacy I think you can use that in a lake vs the smaller ones. Stand in there, force them to swim, nab them when they lack their mobility.

If you can come up with a solution that works for all playables, that's fine. But keep that in mind, cause otherwise you're going to find yourself in the same situation, but with a different critter.

[elfin axle]

That's like complaining about a Utah jumping up a rock so the Carno is unable to get it imo

[paper oriole]

There doesnt need to be a counter play to every other counter play

[barren zephyr]

If a Trike or another herbie are staying close to a river, while the one that's hunting them is crossing the river.. yes, they're swimming, vulnerable. Go ahead and punish them, it's fine.

Other things will be able to hit them but that's not the point, my point is do not allow dinosaurs to use their abilities while they have no footing and most of their body including Stego's thagomizer is submerged.

It shouldn't be possible, in those scenarios you who are standing on land should be able to punish those situations.

I don't exactly agree with Deino not being able to kill Stego, if it's two Deinos they can but the original idea the devs had was for Stego to counter Deino.. so it's fine, I still believe Stego is currently way too strong

[paper oriole]

You got countered, seethe, cope, move on. It is easy as hell to find food as carno

[wooden mica]

and were saying, water doesnt make you immobile

and it shouldnt

[cyan flame]

@barren zephyrAgain, you need to apply your logic to all things. Jumpers can use rocks to get away from carnos, how do we fix that? What about carno standing in water, it can still bite just fine, is that fine? And as for deino/stego, there's no issue there, stego should not be hunted by deinos, any more than deinos should hunt a trike or rex or any other of the apexes.

[paper oriole]

A stego's muscular tail isnt gonna suddenly go flaccid because its in water. Reduced damage sure but there is no reason it shouldnt be able to still use it

[barren zephyr]

It should if you're deep enough in it.. water pressure will slow you down more and more to the point you won't be able to move as well as you do on land

[wooden mica]

if youre swimming you cant swing a stego tail, but lets just remember, they need to be able to fend off deinos, if they cant swing at all, then crossing the rivers is just not viable

[paper oriole]

Yeah but a 6 ton wall of muscle and fat isnt going to get totally paralyzed by shoulder deep water

[cyan flame]

To be fair this wouldn't be an issue if stego was designed properly. No need to use water at all then :p

[wooden mica]

and last i checked stego bite is like a fly farting on you

[barren zephyr]

That's a possible solution.. reduced damage while they're partially submerged so you at least have a chance to continue the hunt

[cyan flame]

Not that it would change that other critters can do the same, and there are worse offenders like rocks and utahs :p

[paper oriole]

I can understand a stego going in the water if 10 carnos or something are pestering it and it doesn’t feel like wasting stamina on them because they truly are annoying and everywhere

[barren zephyr]

And I was going to say, I don't think Stego is an animal that is meant to be crossing rivers all the time

[cyan flame]

As long as that reduced damage applies to anyone in deep water, that's fine :p

[wooden mica]

weve been saying that the whole time, reduce the damage but no need to make it unable to attack, i dont know how this became so big if you already agree anyway

we have no choice to cross rivers, our diets are over them and we gotta be on the move all the damn time

[paper oriole]

Herbivore diets really are annoying like that rn

“This plant only grows in south east because uhhhhhhhhh”

[wooden mica]

if i didnt have to, i wouldnt, its not worth dying for

[elfin axle]

If a Stego manages to get into the water before you reach it, that's on you. Not every hunt ends with someone dying, or a successful kill, this "I'm a carnivore, therefore I should be able to kill a herbivore in any scenario" mentality needs to go

[wooden mica]

agreed, steggo is so much slower than a carno and a utah, if you cant cut it off from water, then maybe you need to hunt something else

[paper oriole]

These carno mains should be glad it isnt like irl where most predators have shitty success rates

[wooden mica]

days at a time with no food, the complaints OH THE AUDACITY of not being an easy meal

[paper oriole]

Almost every balance change in this patch benefitted carno and they still complain

[wooden mica]

and deino

[paper oriole]

True

[wooden mica]

LOL

[elfin axle]

👏 T h i s 👏

[barren zephyr]

Until someone pointed the reduced damage thing out I didn't notice it. I just find it that there needs to be some sort of counterplay in those scenarios where you're too submerged and technically shouldn't be able to attack.

Reduced damage is one, making the ability slower while you're on water is another one I just thought about since then you can actually do something

But I'll leave it at that

[cyan flame]

The reasoning shouldn't just be about stego, since there are many others, some worse, that can and will do similar stuff. So any solutions has to keep that in mind too, or we'll just end up here again the next time.

[wooden mica]

the counterplay is literally deinos, if theres none in the area, tough luck

[cyan flame]

As long as the recuded damage goes for everyone when they're in deep water, that's fine. Otherwise you're going to cause a new set of balance issues.

[wooden mica]

oh and just because ill have an anxiety attack if I dont clarify, im not trying to start shit and hope were all, all good here, I dont like being an ass and dont intend to be

[cyan flame]

I think we're fine :p

[wooden mica]

[barren zephyr]

I used Stego as an example but generaly speaking it should be the same way for any playable when it comes to abilities. Biting is fine, attacks like Legacy Trike LMB are okay.. now Stego's swing should either be slower while partially submerged or reduced damage. Teno's kick, definitely slower as it wouldn't be able to kick with as much easyness as it does while on land.. the tail slam, if the tail is partially or completely submerged it shouldn't really be able to lift it or it should use lots more stamina since water pressure is not in it's favor in my opinion and the same applies to any other abilities that could work like Stego's swing and such.

That's my point

[cyan flame]

Yeah, I get your point. But you're missing the vital thing here, that some critters will be able to get away with it, and then you'll find yourself in the same position complaining about them. If you limit stego and teno like that, okay. But carno get a free pass cause they "only" bite. Rex get a free pass cause it "only" bites. You're going to end up with a rex doing the same that a stego would have, and then people will complain about that instead. Just like you're oing to have rexes and trikes harassing deinos like stegos are, and people will complain about that too.

If your issue is that "this thing becomes unhuntable because it does this", you need to keep in mind others will do the same, so if you take issue with the situation, then you need a solution for those other critters too. Just like with stegos harassing deinos. If you dislike that x large critter can do that to deino, you need to have a solution that works for all large critters, not just the one in game right now.

What if a bunch of troodons are trying to hunt a carno and it pulls this standing in water.

No way in hell they're going to somehow get out there and reach that carno, it can just stand while they swim and go om nom nom. If that sort of situation is an issue, then you need to apply it to all the critters. Even if your argument is that stego specifically due to thagomizer can't swing, or teno due to big tail, the main issue isn't the realism aspect, you claimed it made them unhuntable, and that it was what was the issue here.

[wooden mica]

I said it in a bit of a rant the other day, you cant always cater to one dino and get a balanced game for the rest, there needs to be ups and downs for each one and none will get a perfect play as is the nature of people controlling the dinos youre around, there needs to be a point where you say enough is enough, this is how it is and you need to work your playstyle around it

[cyan flame]

If trike gore in water is fine, then you don't mind that something becomes unhuntable in x situation? So is it an issue of realism then, that teno or stego specificially should be huntable in water?

[paper oriole]

Carnos stand in mud pits to stop utahs from hunting them all the time yet turn around and piss their eyes when a stego stand in the water and uses its tail

[wooden mica]

and in all fairness, this game will never have a perfectly balanced playstyle for as long as there are other people playing with you, you cant control those variables

[cyan flame]

And yes, aren't carnos the ones that can use the mud oasis to be basically untouchable against most things?

[paper oriole]

Imagine game balance in like a decade when we have over 50 animals to balance

[sick pond]

bro animals go into water to escape predators all the time what are you talking about

[cyan flame]

@wooden micaI know. I just take issue when someone goes "this makes x unhuntable" or "deinos can't handle stegos" without thinking about the whole roster. If deinos have an issue with current stego, how do you think it'll go when trike or rex shows up? Animals that can probably, at least in the latter case, swim and use their main attack.

[wooden mica]

i mean, the game is already rife with people killing for sport, why not have methods other than kill or be killed to try and live longer than a day or 2

[sick pond]

this is like some high level realism server brain poison

[cyan flame]

People focus on specific critters solutions and seem to forget that there's going to be more critters that will be able to do things you dislike one doing.

[wooden mica]

they dont forget they just say "well that could be years away" and keep on cryin

[paper oriole]

Carnos try not to kill everything that moves like its a deathmatch 5 minute challenge (impossible)

[wooden mica]

carnos try not to become literally this emote

[paper oriole]

Carnos when a utah makes a left turn 5 feet to dodge their charge they started in an open field 1000 feet away wastin all their stam

[limber hull]

thank you for introducing me to the term "high level realism server brain poison"

[wooden mica]

carnos when a dino uses water to escape death

[sick pond]

its fucking true tho

[limber hull]

realism servers corrupt the minds of the innocent and make them into insufferable people who have no idea how nature works

realism servers are the least realistic portrayal of an ecosystem there is

[wooden mica]

it also turns otherwise reasonable moderators into insufferable power trippers LOL

[sick pond]

like basically all of the realism servers have rules that are like the complete opposite of how actual real animals act, its almost comical if you think about it

[limber hull]

bear ain't gonna leave a wolf alone because "it got a body", it's going to take the body and beat the fucking shit out of the wolf if it doesn't get the message

[wooden mica]

deer turn into kick masters who can KO dogs when they need to

[paper oriole]

Predators arent always gonna warning call when they try to steal a kill either lmao

A lot of them just waltz in and throw hands

[limber hull]

realism servers literally cause brainrot, and it pains me to think that's how people think "realism" is

[sick pond]

yeah uhhh you need to mutually 3 call before fighting and herbivores are never aggressive

[limber hull]

EVRIMA, as it stands, is more realistic than every realism server, and that's SAD

[wooden mica]

the classic youre a herbi dont let any carni be near you, meanwhile, real life plant bois just vibe

or run

[paper oriole]

Also herbivores not being allowed to aggro predators who are in their space is another potato brain rule

[wooden mica]

no carni mix packing, meanwhile literal tag teams form all over the place when theres abundant food

[paper oriole]

Herbivores arent all kumbayah diversity and inclusion to a rex pair thats been following their herd for 10 minutes

[cyan flame]

@limber hullShouldn't call them realism servers. Haven't been any actual realism servers since way back when Chimi and some others had Sorna and such. Except maybe WWD, they do seem to care properly, I think at least.

[paper oriole]

A lot of herbivores will straight up KOS with no warning if they see a predator in a vulnerable position

[wooden mica]

they arent realism servers they are, FanFicDino servers

[paper oriole]

Basically

Some cat clan level bullshit

Gotta obey da rules

[sick pond]

yeah they're essentially just rp servers

[wooden mica]

servers made with rules that someone decided sounded about how they want it to play after being murked on officials

[limber hull]

I mean... if you see how some people talk on those servers, it really shows

[paper oriole]

Yeah ive met a lot of literal cat clan RPers on those servers and outside them as well

[wooden mica]

i mean, even legacy official, the only time admins said no, was with those megapacks they they personally yeeted for fun, otherwise its a no rules game for all intents and purposes, minus you know, being racist and whatnot

[limber hull]

i wonder if skins will cause dinosaur racism

[paper oriole]

I was helping some kid set up an isle server that ended up never happening and he wanted to make a rule where herbivores arent allowed to defend the nests of their herd mates i think he has me blocked now tho lol

[wooden mica]

thats some next level shit right there

[paper oriole]

How people think of those things and think its good baffles me

[wooden mica]

servers ive been on have had rules where if someones being hunted and they are running away, if they find another of the same species who werent in that hunt, they cant assist

[limber hull]

time to hop on the isle to select the "playable food" class

[wooden mica]

bascially, you run til you die, if you see someone playing the same thing, they can watch and thats it

[cyan flame]

I mean.. if I run into one of those puke yellow no pattern utahs or whatever else in legacy can have that skin.. can you really blame me? ^^

[paper oriole]

Yo i used to see that shit on so many servers

There was even a sandbox server with those shitty herbi aggro rules and hunting intervention rules and a safezone

Like, a SANDBOX, where there is 0 growth penalty

Think it was IoFT

[limber hull]

I really do like people's belief that herbivores just fucking die when faced with carnivores... Based on the theory of evolution, wouldn't the herbivores be necessitated to kick more ass than their hunters if they wanted to reach adulthood? If all herbivores ate shit and died in the presence of a carnivore, we wouldn't have herbivores

[wooden mica]

the old chestnut of how do you tell if that dilo pack your being hunted by seeming like its not decreasing even though youre killing them but its just dilos respawning and coming back

[paper oriole]

They watch all those safari docs where footage is cherrypicked so lions look like their success rate is 80% instead of 30%

[rare fractal]

Moose are a good example of nature deciding that it fucking hates carnivores... elephants are the same way

Cape buffalo

[paper oriole]

And look at jurassic world evolution and think thats a good model for combat

[rare fractal]

Fucking WHALES (yes I know they're technically carnis but cmon)

[wooden mica]

zebra are live fast die young but we dont have anything that does that its all live slow die young

[rare fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/beasts-of-bermuda-kaperoo-the-isle-path-of-titans-gif-23526654

[limber hull]

moose's main predator is a fucking orca. A fucking ocean apex. Because apparently moose got so fucking bored of being the best on land, they needed something in the ocean to set them straight

[paper oriole]

Saw like 6 vids a while back where buffalo were just dunking on lions in some of them it was so onesided it made me feel bad for the lions lol

[wooden mica]

cape buffalo be on some shit too

[limber hull]

i will NEVER get tired of the fact that one of the biggest predators of a moose is a fucking orca

[paper oriole]

Elephants will literally just sport kill to show off to their buddies

[rare fractal]

They actually have to jump into the ocean and eat kelp to be put in consistent danger, they have to TRY to die.... like deino xD

[rare fractal]

I can't decide if I'm lucky that I live in an area with a massive moose population or not

[cyan flame]

I think the issue in the game is mostly that people have this very strict definition of a failed hunt that only really includes "the prey either completely ran away, or we all died". No other versions of failed hunts are really seen as that. You hunt two utahs as a carno but they trick you and reach their "safety rock" alive. That's a failed hunt, but most carnos would just pace around the rock for the next 15 min.. hoping something will happen I guess.

[limber hull]

i don't envy you, but I live in Australia, so I have an entire insane ecosystem

[wooden mica]

the deathmatch mentality to a T

I do too rex LOL, but im safe in ol mate tas

[rare fractal]

Deciding that a prey item is too difficult is often never considered an option, it needs to be a more common mindset

[rare fractal]

Fuckin hell at least we can SEE our danger coming...

[limber hull]

true. Some people don't know when to give up

[wooden mica]

or you know.... the deinos trying to face tank the tail of a stego

[limber hull]

i personally retreat when shit gets too heated and dangerous

[wooden mica]

not even going for good hits, just spam biting

[rare fractal]

I retreat when the variables change to a degree that I didn't plan for, just to be safe. I'll often make mistakes based on my lack of consideration even when I'm confident

[wooden mica]

I dont even bother starting something if I think theres a chance ill lose

[rare fractal]

It's funny, cuz stego is kinda a hard counter to the whole roster rn, and it's not because stego is too powerful, but because it's a stego, and our predator list is a bad match for it

[limber hull]

true as

[wooden mica]

stego be like "i grow spikes so im safe" carnis be like "cheating, no fair, op, cant face tank"

[rare fractal]

Which is fine, it was just added at a weird time

[limber hull]

i don't think stego is even that strong in terms of how apexes may be, but god damn it's a perfect storm in this ecosystem

trike could've been better. Carno beats utah beats trike beats carno

[rare fractal]

Very, stego is kinda mid amongst the apexes, even slightly weak. It's kinda like the utah of the apexes. It has a really strong moveset but lacks the mass the others have, so it's room for error is lower by comparison

[rare fractal]

yes pls

Then deino's wouldn't complain that they can't headshot dps a trike....

[wooden mica]

and i mean, stego is on a deino diet but lets be honest, youll find many small enough to drown and not die, stop going for the biggest ones, your eyes are too big for your stomach

[rare fractal]

Cuz they're biting down on two spears designed to put a rex in the ground

[rare fractal]

Why even bother with your diet after reaching adult... what do you exactly need it for...

For deino at least

if you have fish there's no damage deficit

and there's ALWAYS fish

[wooden mica]

exactly

[rare fractal]

And that's basically all deino needs that diets provide

[wooden mica]

"but no food" STOP right there criminal scum, I can see them with my eyes

[rare fractal]

xD

See you get it

[wooden mica]

my peepers spy fish you just got bored

[rare fractal]

Deino is unironically the easiest thing to grow by a massive margin.... accept for hypsi

At least ptera has to scavenge or skim... that's SOMETHING

[wooden mica]

"we have a hard time because cannibal deinos" ITS RIGHT ON THE DIET PAGE YOU DINGUS

[paper oriole]

id probably actualy put ptera as easier since it doesnt even really have cannibals to worry out, only has to eat once or twice off of free turtles on the beach and has a much smaller penalty for death

deinos only growth threat is other deinos though definitely and that shits not even that hard to avoid

[wooden mica]

it is a bit of a lonely play tho, camera play but no real interaction because everything just runs up and one taps you

[paper oriole]

true, it's a bug's life lol

[wooden mica]

herbs, carnis, everything goes for PT, I just wanna be an ox pecker, and vibe with people not trying to kill me for once

[limber hull]

give ptera the ability to latch onto a stego like a utah pounce, except no damage, he just vibes

[wooden mica]

cant be bucked

doesnt impede utah pounce

[limber hull]

just hitches a ride

[paper oriole]

i wish we could get a good small handful more pterosaurs so we could fill oxpecker niche, as well as flyer predator niche and fruit bat niche

[wooden mica]

will eventually loose stam and detach like a tick

[limber hull]

latch doesn't consume stam tho

[wooden mica]

yeah wheres our utility role dinos at

on a tree, but to avoid spam calling never leaving pt, moving makes the stam drain

[paper oriole]

give ptera an ability where it just nosedives and just hangs flaccidly by its half submerged beak in the side of a sauropod

[limber hull]

honestly, if it were up to me, i'd add insect mounds and other bugs, add insectivores and add several different perk paths that could make for a piscivore ptera, insectivore ptera, egg-stealer ptera and/or fisher ptera depending on perk choices

[paper oriole]

those bigass termite mounds

[rare fractal]

I just resent deino for how much creative restriction it's placed on the map design

[rare fractal]

That'd be neato

[limber hull]

ptera being "everything bird" seems cool to me

[wooden mica]

same fluff, im actually getting salty that we cant have natural shallows because they cant hunt everywhere

[limber hull]

i'd wait for waders for shallows

[wooden mica]

you know what uses shallows, everything

[limber hull]

ehh, i never liked shallows. The newer, non-shallow map is actually way more cool imho

[wooden mica]

carnis, herbis, balance out the food sources and people will just go to where the vibe is right

[limber hull]

i've had way more fun finding water now than before

[wooden mica]

if i find a pretty area of map, id stay there if i could

i mean, whats the point of such pretty landscaping if we cant use it, its not like dinos will never be near rivers that deinos live in

[rare fractal]

I think what we mean is more naturally designed rivers or lakes, most bodies of water aren't just bowls of water, they curve downwards and them back up to the other shore

[wooden mica]

just look at legacy, people move all over that place, theres the usual go to spots but theres a good chunk who go exploring or RP migrate and those who just want a nice view

as for the go to spots, pretty often they are murked by apex preds, once we get them things will fall into place

and yeah, thats what i mean, right now its either river bank or swimming, unless youre at the beach, it should be shallow areas in some spots that make river crossing for babies easier, areas where you can chase fish to shallow spots so they dont flip around so damn much

[rare fractal]

pretty much yeah, threats caused travel more than your shopping list did

Unlike now

[wooden mica]

rocky creeks with lots of little fish all over the place and maybe even frogs and small crabs like in real life

[rare fractal]

would be neat if said frogs didn't skate across the water's surface at 90kmh

[wooden mica]

yeah that needs a tweak for sure

im surprised turtles dont literally implode from their speeding into beaches

[rare fractal]

xD

Turtles also swim about as fast as a full adult deino does

Somehow...

Again, really just wish we had more freedom with the map, if rivers don't connect every body of water deino just falls apart

everything else is chill and thankful that areas can have a bit more creative liberty, but as soon as a realistically deep shored lake exists on the map deino essentially loses relevance

Kinda wish it didn't exist, or at bare minimum it wasn't held in such high regard.... doesn't help that it has the least satisfying hunting mechanic for both parties involved. You can't do anything to influence the outcome of the engagement for either party, if you lunge and miss, you suck... if you get lunged and manage to escape, the deino was shit... but there's no actual dynamic besides hoping certain bodies of water just don't have deinos in them

Since deino is perfectly invisible a couple inches below the surface

and needs to stay that way to get any kills

so there's no back and forth between predator and prey

the predator has zero braincells and the prey escapes, or the predator has half a brain and makes the kill with no possible reactionary methodology from the prey animal

frustrates me to no end

only compounded by the map restrictions deino intrinsically has tied to it

[wooden mica]

if the deino cant hunt from every pixel of water, the map must get changed, or so the deinos will say

[rare fractal]

aside from that, they'd require incompetence of the players to take effect, instead of people using 2% of their brainpower to drink at a safe place

[wooden mica]

in all honesty theres safe water areas but only because they havnt become hotspots, so deinos cant complain, yet.

once people start flocking there, they too will be yeeted in favor of crybaby deinos

[rare fractal]

mhm

[wooden mica]

its why i never say where they are, if you know you know

if you dont know, you cant tell everyone

[rare fractal]

No witnesses....

[wooden mica]

LOL none, i saw nothing i swear

[rare fractal]

xD

[wooden mica]

id love some mini water pools on top of those big rock formations, pt already has to come down for food give them a hot tub to destress from almost dying

[rare fractal]

Mhm, rain water deposits

small streams would be nice and cinematic as well, good for bary and beipi, or for sucho to fish

[wooden mica]

no fish, just water, and shallow so no drowning, they have to go down for food so they arent unkillable

[rare fractal]

But no... we can't have that

seeeee you get it

[wooden mica]

nope, because "they can see me walking if its shallows so i cant hunt them so its not fair, make all water deep and dark"

[rare fractal]

Literally every river on the map aside from 2 places is a minimum 30 ft deep

[wooden mica]

and also muddy, and we cant see under water anyway, and that weird outline they talk about, unless youre literally not moving for 20 minutes looking at one spot, you arent gonna see that shit man

"but they can see our ripples, our outlines, we cant hunt" no, YOU can see the outline, youre looking at yourself idle for an hour, youll notice yourself, everyone else got better shit to do than play eyespy with fuckin water ripples

[rare fractal]

xD

Yes exactly, deino has so few issues with hunting aside from frequency, there aren't enough players on the map to fully populate it

[wooden mica]

but just watch, well have more complainers saying its still too hard.

[rare fractal]

funniest part to me is that your food is required to pay you a visit every 30 minutes

[wooden mica]

toughen up buttercups, youre a deino, who ambushes food, you dont need to swim 50km along the water to eat specific food, find a popular crossing and camp it, or fish, easy done

as for the ripples, as i said, unless its the super careful players which is mostly newbies, we got better shit to do than look for that, well use our defence if we have one to try and not die, but well risk it, if youre in the right place, chances are youll win

and yeah, people gotta drink often, its not like deinos gonna starve, if theres a decent amount of people on the server, fish spawn frequently

can you tell ive had enough of deino complainers

[gaunt canopy]

Back in legacy some people specifically targeted albinos

[left nacelle]

Makes sense. They're easy to see, that's easy food. Pretty sure albino animals are targeted irl too. Even by their own species

[gaunt canopy]

I killed them all the time for crimes against camouflage

[left nacelle]

Hey if you go albino, that's the risk you take lol

[wooden mica]

crimes against our eyes during the daylight hours

[gaunt canopy]

Indeed

[wooden mica]

albinos on beach sand, beacon of light burning our retinas

[left nacelle]

Albino animal comes out of the water and the sunlight hits it just right that it just fucking blinds you

[gaunt canopy]

Yes

[wooden mica]

how to make an entire playerbase need eyedrops - albinos on white sand with godrays

[left nacelle]

I do hope that being albino will be a thing. But it would need to be really really rare

[wooden mica]

a random chance of it happening when you become elder

or, become elder, random chance the option is open when you start over

[left nacelle]

That would make it rare, but that'd just be annoying too if you don't wanna be albino. Plus leaving something that critical up to rng wouldn't be fun

[wooden mica]

i dunno if id say critical, if its the chance it opens up on new spawn

[urban flax]

What about a certain toxic fruit that turns you albino ? Like a strain, but without the superpowers

[gaunt canopy]

Ya I would hate being reborn as a albino I would probably drown my character or jump a cliff

[wooden mica]

nah then dinos would pick it and carry it around and no one would be albino or everyone would be from farming the fruit

[left nacelle]

It's just that dying as an elder will be a lot more impactful than dying normally, since you'd made so much effort to get to that point and you're missing out on getting perks. I wouldn't want to randomly become albino and make my life that much harder

[urban flax]

Depends on how rare it is

[wooden mica]

true

[urban flax]

Also everyone doesn't necessarily want to be albino

[wooden mica]

i dunno, if you want rare make it rare, otherwise make it a regular color choice

[manic flint]

Unlock a skin or something

[wooden mica]

im half asleep at this point so im not in think mode LOL

[left nacelle]

Maybe once you survive as an elder a certain amount of times, you get the option to choose an albino skin when you spawn

[urban flax]

Sounds really restrictive for something as useless as being albino
Hella grindy too

[paper oriole]

the issue with that though is eventualy albino skins would become pretty common

[gaunt canopy]

Same it’s 2:40 am for me

[urban flax]

Plus, how do that carries on between servers ? Do you unlock albino skin just on that server or can you jut farm on empty servers ?

[wooden mica]

its only 6:40pm for me but I had 2 hours sleep so im dyin lol

skins should be server locked for loyalty

[gaunt canopy]

That would be interesting

[limber hull]

im pretty sure that was a joke lmao

[left nacelle]

True, but a lot of people wanna be albino, and that would keep it rare. Maybe the amount of times you nee to be elder could be different per animal. 2 Elders as Deino, but 5 as Hypsi for example. Since Hypsi grows faster

[urban flax]

That's still just grind

[wooden mica]

i mean, its either grind or rng

take yo pick fam

[urban flax]

These are not the only possibilities

[left nacelle]

Yeah, grind is the best option I think. Besides eating a certain plant or something

[wooden mica]

hey man, dont rely on thinking of more options from me rn

grind, rng, bestowed by the isle gods uhh..... rng?

3 types of rng?

rng on if you get rng?

[rare fractal]

Kinda a derivative of our earlier discussion, but I always find it funny when deino's get mad when you cannibalize them, as if we're not supposed to do that

[left nacelle]

Omg I'm glad someone else finally said it

[rare fractal]

[urban flax]

Something you gotta look for specifically is not rng
I often use Horizon Zero Dawn as an example (because that game is really good)
But in that game, when you want to upgrade something, you need very specific materials. Like boar bones or big machine hearts. You gotta look for them, so it's not rng, but you generally only need one, so it's not grind either

[wooden mica]

yeah its on the diet for god sake

well i mean, its rng if someone else found it first and if youll find it now

kinda

[rare fractal]

Fucking brilliant game, crafting system is one of my favorite parts. The fights are incredibly well designed and it never feels you're completely out of options in that game. Getting the materials you need is usually as a result of large daunting machine hunts that test you regardless of skill level, which makes the acquisition of those materials both worth it and satisfying. It helps that those gathered resources will always be put to use.

Isle... take notes

[wooden mica]

anyway i digress, im not in a state to be making logical conversations so take my comments with plenty of salt

[left nacelle]

Maybe some sort of herb that spawn in every biome that carnivores can also consume that slowly removes your pigment over time

[rare fractal]

Ehh, maybe... I'd just allow albinos to exist, let their lack of camo punish them. Camo is incredibly important in evrima by comparison to legacy

An all white deino is gonna perform horribly... is what I would say if water didn't make you completely invisible

[left nacelle]

True, but I'd want it to be a rare thing too. Not somene you can just choose when you spawn in

[rare fractal]

But an all white carno teno or utah would suffer

[rare fractal]

I'm actually fine with that

Makes it slightly less common than normal, adds a wall of effort to acquire that isn't really difficult

Win win

[gaunt canopy]

I would be one of those albino poachers that kill them on sight probably

There crimes against camo will be published

Back in legacy I would go a dark green with a brown under belly

[rare fractal]

Same it was the best coloration you could choose

Dark green and brown dilo at night...

[gaunt canopy]

Mine was Diablo dark green with cerato brown if you want to know the agsact name of color pattern

[rare fractal]

Damn you had that combo down, I remember one of my greens was from rex but that's it :/

[left nacelle]

I usually went brown or green with a couple brighter colors thrown in

[gaunt canopy]

The only bright colors I had were light green male markings

[left nacelle]

Yeah I usually had a color other than green for the male markings just to spice things up

Orange in particular looked really good with brown

[gaunt canopy]

Some times when I played cerato I had blue male makings

[left nacelle]

I don't even remember what I played in legacy, it's been so long But I do remember my pachy being mostly brown with a bright orange head

[gaunt canopy]

It’s been 1.4 years almost since I played legacy

[left nacelle]

I haven't played Legacy since EVRIMA came out in June of 2020. So nearly two years for me lol. I'm only gonna go back to Legacy once we get a heads up about it's deletion. For the nostalgia

Been playing The Isle since 2015 so Legacy is very nostalgic for me

[clever thorn]

I love the Game but its getting weird. I mean 2 Major updates in one Year is a bit hmm but playing a Dinosaur game relise on having many Dinos in the Game. I mean if only 2 Updates come out every year the game wont be finished until 2045. I rly hope that the Upcoming Updates get released or can be finished faster then the last 2 Updates.

[fading pecan]

Will evrima have a global chat eventually? There was one in the beginning

[burnt bone]

punchpacket said it will never come back, but it can be a mod when they add mod support. for whatever reason

[fading pecan]

Oh shit ok, thank you

[manic flint]

No cause it makes no sense to have in a survival horror game so they got rid of it
It can be modded in when mod support is a thing

[tepid gate]

But ermmm... does it make sense to have courting animations in a survival horror game?

Cause that doesn't strike me as very survival-horrory either

[paper oriole]

Regardless of whether they fit or not too, they’re just so lame so far lol

[gaunt canopy]

That does sound weird you are right

[left nacelle]

@narrow cloud Some of the currently non-feathered animals will be getting feathered variations in the future like utah for example. We just don't know when that'll be

[manic flint]

Idk lmao, I guess that's the survival part?

[tepid gate]

The "survival" part atm is my friend's GPU fighting for its survival when he launches the game.

[jagged jewel]

idk man why blame the optimisation on the courting animations

[zealous violet]

At the end of the day, no matter how much the devs want and wish and hope for this game to be a true horror survival, it will always just be- at its roots, a dinosaur sim.
Unless they completely refaced it and made it more of a linear game with a specific end goal of sorts and possibly without having access to any dino playables as people will still find a ay to play it like a sims even if there are focused goals to meet.

So might as well give them silly courting animations for the game that this is.

[keen bough]

I won't complain for a dinosaur sim game ever though

[tepid gate]

reading with comprehension isn't your strong suit, huh?

[zealous violet]

Saaame. I actually kind prefer it. Theres already so many dang dinosaur horror games out there, it'd nice to just have an open world sims-like game instead.

[rare fractal]

One that isn't terrible, which I think this game has the capacity to not be

[left nacelle]

There are a few of those. Path of Titans for example isn't too bad. And it's built upon the same code as Legacy so it feels kinda like The Isle

[paper oriole]

path of titans isn't too bad... except for the multiple character slot system making revenge kills an epidemic. being forced to do fetch quests for hours to grow. perks that can make a deinocheirus outswim a gator. inescapable chases as a juvenile against your own kind. mixpacking problems that make the isle's look like nothing. skin colors locked behind points systems from fetch quests.

larger price tag than the isle with paid DLC added on too

[left nacelle]

Well I personally don't think the game's too bad. I think their dinosaurs models in particular are beautiful

[paper oriole]

their models are nice, true

i also like their combt movement system, but there is just so much ridiculousness as well lol

[left nacelle]

I also like the attack/abilities system too. How you can assign abilities to certain body parts

[rare fractal]

At that point it's a better painting than it is a game....just going off of that

[left nacelle]

The game isn't trying to be realistic tho. It's going for mmo/roleplay route which I agree is odd for a dino game but at least it's someone unique

[left nacelle]

Well there's plenty of other things to like about the game. That's just happens to be one of my favorite things about it, is the models

[rare fractal]

It's realism would be it's strongsuit, the gameplay is barely a peg above legacy isle

[vestal rune]

the thing you like about PoT is the dino models?

I don't remember them being that good, especially when compared with other dino games like the isle or saurian

[paper oriole]

their spino at least is better than the isle's

and their ankylosaur looks like an ankylosaur

[rare fractal]

true

[left nacelle]

Well it is built upon the same code lol. And I'm not saying it's on par with The Isle, I definitely think The Isle is superior. I just don't think PoT is bad

[vestal rune]

PoT absolutely is bad

so is the isle, both are terribly WIP games

[left nacelle]

PoT I will say is definitely less buggy than The Isle atm tho. But the Isle feels more high quality imo

[rare fractal]

Indeed

We only call them good for their capacity to be better

[paper oriole]

but i can also say pangea has a better spino than the isle's so its nothing unique to beat out a generic design. PoT has precise movement and nice animal design going for it and thats basically it atm

theyre also adding miragaia at some point so thats cool ig lol

[vestal rune]

PoT has precise movement??

it may have changed but iirc don't you have to like switch modes to move in certain ways?

[paper oriole]

yea its a stance

[vestal rune]

that sounds clunky as fuck

[rare fractal]

If you hold F you have omnidirectional movement

[rare fractal]

Tis indeed

[vestal rune]

ye evrima has the best movement out of any dino game I've played, that's one thing it actually has going for it as of now lmao

[rare fractal]

Mhm, that and combat tbh

[vestal rune]

ye the combat is very good, when your performance and bugs don't ruin it

[rare fractal]

Another thing POT has over Evrima, optimization

[dense vale]

maybe they can add an extra low graphics setting so i can get over 30fps lol

[gaunt canopy]

True. My favorite dinosaur is ankylosaurs and the isle anky doesn’t look like anky it looks like a armadillo

[obtuse fractal]

kinda curious why people are against the grazing thing, as i've seen some people being against the "no preferred diet" for herbivores to match carnivores. currently herbivores have a harder diet and no way to scent danger, while carnivores get no preferred diet for a fair amount of time and track like bloodhounds. carnivore bias or what? 🤷

[paper oriole]

Personally i think grazing effectiveness should vary by species and not be some universally useless or overly useful thing

Not all herbivore should benefit a lot from eating low quality filler but some should

[obtuse fractal]

i 100% agree

i thought about grazing candidates such as stego but... i dont think stego needs even more going for it
im kind of at a loss as far as that goes. grazing overall has felt like its had more potential and it isnt getting tapped into with diets

ive seen people graze to taunt in fights. its not used seriously and that makes me sad

[paper oriole]

I had a section on grazing in my herbi diet doc about how i think it could be a bit less shitty than it is now but i have very low expectations on the future of herbivore diets in general in this game

[obtuse fractal]

could you link that doc?? i hadn't seen it

[paper oriole]

Its been a disappointment from the get-go

One sec lemme grab it

[obtuse fractal]

thankie

[weak hill]

I had a thought earlier today about how I missed just walking around grazing as a stego. Was thinking it would be cool if they got rid of marigold as a diet plant for it, keep pumpkin and sumac, and add grazed grass in marigold’s place. Have it fill hunger and nutrients super slow and you end up with stegos grazing as they migrate to the other plants across the map.

[paper oriole]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rtKpR97Z_JH-qnncmlDkodVHLtodr61-OU3QnUiR7Sw/edit?usp=sharing

[obtuse fractal]

thank you!!

[obtuse fractal]

grazing grass in a particular area is actually a really cool idea. i thought against grazing for a diet because it might be too easy- but if you have to go to a certain area that'd still encourage travelling. that'd be neat

itd make stegos migrating make a bit more sense immersion wise

i think my main gripe is that the lack of grazing or how its being used is immersion breaking

[weak hill]

I used to do it a lot before diets just as I was walking around to other plants. Now it’s an actual negative to graze if you’re not starving since it’s messing up your nutrients

[obtuse fractal]

it also kind of wastes time to graze unless you're simply doing it to roleplay- cause it slows you down. people are either starving or doing it to look cool

also- this doc is amazing

[limber hull]

some animals honestly shouldn't graze on grass imho

[obtuse fractal]

i second that

[limber hull]

forest animals, for instance

i see magy more of a tree-grazer, eating leaves over grass, for instant

i'd even support removing hypsi's graze for a tree-focused leaf eating in the treetops

[obtuse fractal]

the idea is to have grazing be an option, but for it to vary by location or type depending on what kind of herbivore you are. i edited my suggestion!

[tidal rose]

I feel like hypsi would totally be "grazing" on ant hills, termite mounds or on grubs. There's no way a small dinosaur like that wouldn't chow down on some bugs

[tidal rose]

oh shit i didnt even know that existed

[limber hull]

its one of my fave images

from the concept arts

[tidal rose]

probably mine too now because they are sooo chonk

[limber hull]

i love how both of them look utterly befuddled by the presence of a bug

[tidal rose]

them expressions lol

Yes! I was about to say that lol

[limber hull]

i REALLY hope they look like that in-game

[manic flint]

The concept of bug is too much for the floofs

[limber hull]

because if they do I'm playing so much hypsi

[manic flint]

Just keep getting killed so you can play baby hypsi

[limber hull]

If U5 gives hypsi crazy colours and adorable fucking fat little moron babies, and maybe some kind of tree nest like they were talking about, I'M IN

[manic flint]

I will become a hypsi main

[limber hull]

dude if they give hypsi climbing

i will lose my shit

[manic flint]

Pls gimme hypsi climbing

[tidal rose]

hypsi tree nests 8D

[manic flint]

Let hypsi do this

They better let hypsi do this

Spit on the peasants below

[obtuse fractal]

hypsi nests in the trees, dryo nests underground, ptera nests on the cliffs
we get all that and i can die happy

[limber hull]

god i hope

[tidal rose]

hypsies need to have technology. Ray guns for hypsies or riot

[fading pecan]

This game is not a horror game😂. It makes sense so admins on private servers can enforce the rules they have . It also makes sense so you can find groups easier and talk to the community.

[paper oriole]

the dev want to make it survival horror though

the most horrifying thing going as of yet is the balance and bugs though

[manic flint]

They want it to be a horror game so it not being one now is no reason to keep a bad feature

[manic flint]

I really hope they make climbing and burrowing before U9

[fading pecan]

Everything I have watched from these developers does not make it seem like they want this to be a horror game. Just because you think it’s a bad feature doesn’t make it one. 🤷🏿

[manic flint]

'bad' in the sense it works against the devs' vision for the game

[limber hull]

global cring

[fading pecan]

Ah ok. I like the way they are going. It’s just hard to find groups and I mostly played on private servers for the rules they had. Now they can’t enforce them on their servers because of this new vision the devs have. But if they allow mods for global chat, this problem will be gone lol.

[manic flint]

Land of uwutahs
That's about all I saw in global besides 'press s for spino egg' or something. I personally dislike Global but that doesn't have bearing on the issue

And imo most of the private server rules are stupid

The only one I like is no mixpacking but that's about it

[paper oriole]

only thing i liked about global was all the shittalk and people crying about rule breakers

[manic flint]

That was kinda funny but got cringe and annoying after a while

[paper oriole]

i liked when i would kill a juvi or something and they'd spawn back in to call me a slur or tell me i was bad

or "WTF i was friendly!!!!!"

[manic flint]

Nom food

Body down rules were so shit

[tidal rose]

I miss global because it made my life easy. I constantly saw people go like "Raising my babies in the south" and... well I would go to south and eat them.

[manic flint]

[paper oriole]

i wont miss all the cringe nest adverts and egotistical gloating from global thogh

[limber hull]

beautiful

[empty epoch]

Sadly, no more global

till modding, of course

[tidal rose]

tbh, i personally miss global a bit because i am not in the mood all the time to be dealing with crazy tense stalking etc. Global gave the server a bit of casualty when you wanted to chillax. There are like 0 moments of respite now and its exhausting. Like you used to be able to fill up on food and water and relax and chit chat or whatever if you really wanted to, or even relax. And now with the diets being a pain and water being guarded by logs with teeth, theres like zero times I feel like I can sit down and relax

[empty epoch]

Global should've stayed till more content arose

I mean, Evrima is pretty boring.
There is now something to do thanks to Diets- but that's still a pretty tedious system currently

It's like moving Evrima to the main branch. We're not ready yet

[paper oriole]

i hope it makes a comeback for sandbox servers tbh

[empty epoch]

I understand removing global was a way to allow us to understand earlier rather than later

but, doing something "too early" can be an issue

[empty epoch]

I doubt honestly.
Unless there is a real big cry/outcall for it

[paper oriole]

yeah i personally have low expectations myself, but i still hope it happens

[tidal rose]

i know my friends who are more casual really enjoyed having global

they dont have a lot of time in spending on the game since they are more busy than I am, and they liked chatting with the people while surviving

[left nacelle]

I only like global cause it made me feel like I was less alone. Which goes entirely against what the game's going to be lol

[heady harbor]

personally i like the no-global thing
there was way too much toxicity going on in there, and the constant pop-up of that message was really hard to ignore

[left nacelle]

Yeah same. Keeps the immersion too imo

I will be getting it as a mod tho when it comes out. Cause it is nice to chill in a sandbox server with global chat every once in a while

[heady harbor]

Sandbox makes sense tho, cause you're there to practice or screw around with friends

[limber hull]

@tepid gate would be way harder to get on animals like utahs or pachy, but would def put an end to those deino swarms or carno armies

[tepid gate]

I wouldn't put it on anything aside from Carno for now

If it works well it can be slapped on Deino and perhaps Stego later on

[limber hull]

idk, deino megaswarms are also a pest (plus, i do think these things need to be waaay more territorial)

[tepid gate]

but we would first need to know that it doesn't break the game

[limber hull]

a hunger drain nerf on carno is devastating for it tho

[tepid gate]

yea I know, btw I disagree with you Resuru

I wouldn't exclude juvies from that at all

[tidal rose]

Have you guys been north west? its nothing but 20 crocs constantly crawling on land and chasing everything and their mother up the rocks because they are just a swarm of stomachs. Deino swarms are a huuuuge pain

[tepid gate]

if you want to take a baby - it's a part of your pack and that's it

[limber hull]

idk man, 2 deinos max, you need 2 deinos to nest, wouldn't be very cool to have that child also drain your hunger

[tepid gate]

I know that Deinos are annoying, they are the scum of the earth and I have nothing good to say about this animal but I'd first test it on Carno

Although I mean... I wouldn't try stopping you from slapping it on Deino even if I could

[tidal rose]

The devs have already said party limits will be not set in stone when it comes to juvies. As in juvies will be able to go over a pack limit but get kicked out when they grow old enough

so honestly they already plan on juvies tagging a long on the extra

[tepid gate]

meh, I guess, I don't care for juvies all that much I suppose they aren't a big deal

[tidal rose]

plus what rex said

anything that can only have a pack of 2 would be a real bitch to deal with in nesting

[tepid gate]

fair point

[signal beacon]

We are getting advanced groups limits iirc
So a juvie would count to a limit differently than an adult

[tepid gate]

Oh, that sounds nice ^

[gaunt canopy]

That would be a home fit for a god the hypsi definitely needs to have that

[limber hull]

honestly, to me, it feels like hypsi shouldn't have been added till nesting. Everything thusfar just feels like "beta hypsi" whereas U5 seems to possibly give hypsi everything it needs to, you know, be an animal that people want to play

[signal beacon]

Would hypsi be a super social animal and build giant tree nests to live in?

[limber hull]

Fun, vibrant colours? Check
Actual growth and adorable juvis? Check
POTENTIALLY interaction with trees rather than being a glorified meme animal? God I wish.

[tidal rose]

hypsi is an oddball, they def should have waited to add it because the lack of growth

[limber hull]

Seriously hypsi and skins were made for each other

[tidal rose]

one of the devs recently said hypsi will climb

[limber hull]

been comfirmed for a while

[tidal rose]

like actual tree climbing

[limber hull]

yea

[tidal rose]

oh, man you don't know how much I want the devs to add my hypsi tree fort idea. I wana make a god damn tree fort and just dunk on the peasants

[limber hull]

hypsi could go from meme animal to fun colour boi with tree societies and adorable babies

[signal beacon]

Watch hypsi tree climbing be completely broken and we have to wait 3 months for a patch to fix it (and break pounce again)

[tidal rose]

literally every addition breaks pounce

[limber hull]

hell, we HAVE ptera latch, surely a beta version of a climb could be added?

hypsi cling to thing, hypsi go up, done

[tidal rose]

i think they said something about ptera being able to climb but it was launching trees in to the atmosphere or something

[signal beacon]

[tidal rose]

so they disabled it

idk, saw something about that

[signal beacon]

The trees are fixed objects tho

[gritty helm]

imagine you try to climb and somehow get warped into the earths core

would be a classic isle moment tbh

[signal beacon]

They dont move right?

I cant wait for herra so I can shout THEY'RE IN THE TREES

[tidal rose]

@lusty seal you do realize that even a baby croc is like 80kg?.... right? the way they spawn now lol... how in the world do you expect that to eat bugs and survive

[left nacelle]

Even if it was tinier, a baby croc eating bugs just doesn't seem right

[lusty seal]

maybe they will be ultra big bug

[signal beacon]

Juvie deinos are like the size of an average American alligator

[lusty seal]

well then

how will juvie deino be different?

[signal beacon]

When the aquatic environment isn't absolute dogshit, it will probably kill shit like bepi, minmi, and other small aquatics

[left nacelle]

Noooo beipi

[lusty seal]

eat that yummy tummy beipi NOW

I guess thats true, the one place that fits only juvies in south is super buggy though

[signal beacon]

As much as I love bepi, a juvie deino near its size will destroy it.

Unless its dumb enough to get in front of those claws

[left nacelle]

This is why I think beipi should have much better underwater vision than deino. So deino is based on vibrations underwater but beipi is based on vision

That way a beipi could see a deino underwater and get away, but if deino is able to hide well underwater (Like in underwater foliage) it could still ambush a beipi

[signal beacon]

Bepi will likely give most predators a nasty cut and then flee

[left nacelle]

Yeah. I'm excited for a utah to come runnng at me only for me to dive into the water

[gaunt canopy]

I heard news of something about bary do you guys what it was

[left nacelle]

You mean bary irl or The Isle's bary?

[gaunt canopy]

Isle

[left nacelle]

I don't think there's been any news on Bary recently. I did see an Isle youtuber put it in their title recently implying there's been news. Is that how you heard about it?

[gaunt canopy]

Possibly I could’ve probably heard it from that

[left nacelle]

Yeah I get Isle videos in my recommended that more often than not have things in their title to make you think there's been news that doesn't exist. Hence why I exclusively watch The isle News Updates for my news lol

[gaunt canopy]

I think I saw something in anthomnia

[signal beacon]

WE FOUND THE CANNIBAL TRIBE??? HYPOS DISCOVERED!! (I REGRET EVERYTHING)

[empty epoch]

yes

[left nacelle]

Okay yeah, definitely don't take Anthomnia's word as truth

[signal beacon]

Que 30 minutes of already known info and nonsensical theories

[left nacelle]

Nah, the ones I see are more like "THE ISLE NEWS | BARYONYX | REX SOON? | TRIKE"

Like just random stuff that we have heard nothing about lol

[paper oriole]

I was having a stroke trying to read that when you deleted it

[gaunt canopy]

I was trying to repost it to reply sry about that

[gaunt canopy]

I think I found out what they were talking about when they said something about bary

It almost seems like a grizzly bear in the pictures

[gaunt canopy]

This one especially

[gaunt canopy]

I just relised I forgot to respond to that when I found were the information was I replying now

[manic flint]

It's supposed to be a jaguar/bear like

[tight oxide]

still think jaguar utah niche is cooler...

[manic flint]

Jaguars are semi-aquatic predators too so it makes more sense for Bary

[tight oxide]

but bary is too big for such a thing imo

[manic flint]

???

[tight oxide]

Im saying a grizzly is a better niche

[manic flint]

It ain't gonna climb trees or anything

[manic flint]

That's Sucho's niche

And Bary is a mix

[tight oxide]

still grizzly in a way

[manic flint]

Grizzlies are waders, like sucho should be

[tight oxide]

plus utah purrs like a cat
and utah big
and jaguar is big cat
gg utah is a big cat confirmed

[manic flint]

As the new study found Bary prefers to hunt at the bottom of the river

[manic flint]

Leopard

[urban flax]

Utah is african wild dog niche

[tight oxide]

yea i was thinking of leopard ngl

[manic flint]

Makes the most sense

[tight oxide]

I think mono?

[manic flint]

Nah mono will be a bloodhound

[tight oxide]

i dont know much of mono

[urban flax]

We know nothing about mono, it could be anything

[manic flint]

That's my guess

[urban flax]

As far as we know it could even have a chameleon-like tongue it uses to catch pteras

[manic flint]

Cursed

[tight oxide]

Herrera leopard niche ayo?

[manic flint]

Yea it drops off trees

[tight oxide]

confirmed herra is leopard

so lemme get this straight

something in niches we can agree on

[tight oxide]

Utah- African wild dog that can climb ig
Mono- Blood hound
Herra- Leopard
Sucho- bear
Bary- some sort of more land bear that also swims more? idk
Cera-Honey Badger

[manic flint]

Bary is jaguar/bear combo

[tight oxide]

basically what i said

[manic flint]

You said land bear that swims more

[tight oxide]

aye man it can swim under da water while hunting on land

[stark dust]

anthomnia when isle devs make any sort of announcment: WE FOUND AMONGUS HYPO HAPPY MEAL WORST MISTAKE OF ME LIF

[urban flax]

Bary is megaraptor niche but water

[tight oxide]

proceeds to talk about said announcement for like 5 minutes to then have 20 minutes of gameplay about nothing

[tight oxide]

elaborate megaraptor?

[urban flax]

Something that belongs to the family of megaraptorans

[tight oxide]

bruh

I meant explain megaraptor as in how it works?

like how does it hunt WHAT MAKES IT SPECIAL?!

[urban flax]

Looks like a raptor, but bigger, and isn't a raptor
Originally TSL had planned a megaraptor as a solo all-rounder hunter who uses big claws to kill anything not fast enough to run away

[manic flint]

I only remember megaraptor from Dinosaur king

And it was just a Utah but different

[tight oxide]

best dinosaur related show ever imo

[manic flint]

I wish there was another season

[limber hull]

i liked dinosaur fight club because it was bad and just had cerato die when they couldn't think of an animal to get shitstomped

[tight oxide]

seeing as the show ended in 2008...

[manic flint]

Yea I wish they made another one in 2008

[manic flint]

Lmao I remember that

I re-enacted the nanotyrannus fight repeatedly

[tight oxide]

I mean i think the show ended great

nothing to really show more of

maybe a prequel show of the future

well i guess wouldnt be a prequel but ye

[manic flint]

I just want more

[limber hull]

@barren zephyr how are they going to add more dinosaurs without animations or graphics

[barren zephyr]

They been working on this for 2 years now they need to get more dinos in the game it just gets boring the same stuff I haven’t played in a yr and the game the same pretty much

[barren zephyr]

They did a few small things expanded and redid map and added pachy that’s it

[limber hull]

i still dont know how that answers my question

[last lily]

T posing Dinosaurs. Let them in.

[uneven mist]

Animations are overrated, let the dinos slide

[tidal rose]

@pure quiver if you mimic animal sight, lots of people will get nauseous. And frankly it would be impossible for some animals unless the person has multiple monitors or a RRRRRRRRRRRRREALLY wide one

[pure quiver]

True, nvm

Although I was talking about a 5 degree difference

My main point was on sight distance

[paper oriole]

I think animal visions could better be represented with the nightvision, herbivores having a 360 nightvision and carnivores having a cone in front of them

Longer cone than the circle of course

[tidal rose]

thats an interesting thought @paper oriole

[left nacelle]

I think a better idea would be for the cone to just be the easiest spot to see. Like a carnivore could still see all around them, it would just be very dark compared to the cone

[gaunt canopy]

The cerato thing you mentioned I can see that being a thing because of its extremely high biteforce for its size it would have extremely good intimidation and high offense and defense capabilities

[stray holly]

@vernal loom Can you elaborate what idea you're trying to convey.

[icy lion]

@gusty remnant The up arrow is North, down is South

[gusty remnant]

Ohhhhhh

Thank you I didn’t know thay

[manic flint]

Probably means use the legacy ones or smth

[vernal loom]

@stray holly Sure, I would love to have a new aggressive call (button 5) which is used to warn off dinos of the same species.

[sick dirge]

why

[worthy plover]

Just for immersion, not really any other function except warding off serial killers of the same species

[paper oriole]

Doesnt need to be same species tbh. A quieter variation of a warning call would be nice to have for telling anyone to back off without giving away your location to everything in a hundred miles or sounding like you want a fight

[sick dirge]

Well when you put it like that I agree

Just because I would like a quieter 3 call

[worthy plover]

Yeah i agree

Maybe a low rumble/snarl/growl something menacing

[stray holly]

Thats dumb. Just 3 call and look at who you want to get away from you?

@vernal loom

[paper oriole]

Whan an allo 3 calls i don’t hear “get away from me” i hear “let's throw hands mf”

[worthy plover]

I dont really think its dumb, and what @paper oriole said

[stray holly]

And that's up to your interpretation.

[paper oriole]

Not really

[stray holly]

Why waste time adding another call when we already have an aggressive call that you can push 3 for???

[worthy plover]

It would be good for avoiding fights, yeah the 3 roar us really aggressive.

[paper oriole]

The volume and tone of the call screams “fight me”. A quieter growl is more of a “back off”

[worthy plover]

Fight or flight stuff

[paper oriole]

Its how animals are usually

[stray holly]

I don't see the benefit of it.

[paper oriole]

They usually warn quietly with a snort or a hiss or a growl, not a scream

By the time they scream usually means “oh you've done it now”

[worthy plover]

[fleet wigeon]

I think humans should have maps of the island, and dinosaurs can have a more primitive version that has only the biggest details + fog of war for areas that haven’t been explored yet

[tight oxide]

oh god...

when humans get voices I can imagine them going out of their way to spam call

like screaming into the mic....

[manic flint]

COD lobbies but the isle

You should be able to mute ppl ngl

[dense vale]

ya i only play games where people cant have mic's lol

[tight oxide]

Imagine being a giga waiting to ambush a family of dibbles then you hear a distant "FUCK YOOOOOOU"

[manic flint]

Only for humans tho

[tight oxide]

didnt they say dinosaurs would hear the humans voices but somewhat jumbled

[manic flint]

Radio static

[tight oxide]

imagine

always hearing static

and if humans are able to lock up some dinosaurs...

static torture

[manic flint]

Nah

[tight oxide]

I dunno man... tying up some velo player would be funny

[bronze pike]

allo 3 call sounds like its gonna beat your ass

[bronze pike]

humans get a troodon slave so they can make poison darts

[tight oxide]

imagine killing a utah and using its toe claw to make a high bleed weapon

[bronze pike]

that would be insane

just sniping utahs like those coyote hunting vids

[tight oxide]

ayo imagine using a trike horn to make a spear