general-feedback-discussion

[odd kraken]

Idk

[distant storm]

That bird is not happy

[odd kraken]

Flying, poisonous killer birds.... Next evrima update xd

[paper oriole]

Even touching the bird can poison you lol

It isnt just its meat

[distant storm]

I know what to buy for Xmas

[paper oriole]

All honesty though it would be neat if a couple of herbis and omnis could choose to eat certain berries which would make them toxic and also make their colors more saturated as a warning

[wooden mica]

neon yellow poison dart steggo

[paper oriole]

And if they chose drab colors like brown and green, the browns could saturate to red and orange tints

[distant storm]

This would really work for smaller dinos or those that don't have large defences. Dryo, Magy, or pour pitiful Ory from legacy

[paper oriole]

Maybe thats what oro could do to make it not just a worse hypsi

[odd kraken]

So when the hypsi is eating these poison berry's does it get an poisonous range attack?

[wooden mica]

oreos but they stinkys from berries, so your dino naturally just doesnt hit a bite because ew

[odd kraken]

Finally a think to fear the little creatures

[wooden mica]

[paper oriole]

Biting it poisons you lol i could see it being abused a bit by troll oros though

[distant storm]

stinky dino makes you vomit when bit

[wooden mica]

oreos can only be around each other, if they go near another dino the ai takes over and they run away

[distant storm]

Uh OH STINKI~

Please flip stego plates, round mama and pointy boi

[odd kraken]

Just getting another idea... Getting a bigger flying dinosaur that catches smaller Dinos, grabs them and when flying high enough, just letting the fall and then eat them like mashed potatoes

[wooden mica]

pea soup meat, slurp it with a straw

[odd kraken]

Not being able to open his mouth, just having a mosquito slurping straw

[wooden mica]

🇸 🇮 🇵

[distant storm]

why not just a giant mosquito? They have them in florida

https://tenor.com/view/mosquito-giant-gif-14169910

[wooden mica]

where the devs at when we have these good ideas man

[odd kraken]

He needs teeth to get threw the deino skin

[wooden mica]

lamprey mouth, on the end of straw

[distant storm]

mosquito doesn't need teeth, we just need giant spiders to eat the mosquitoes

[odd kraken]

Sleeping or something more important then getting even more work to do xd

[distant storm]

suddenly it's Skull Island from King Kong

[odd kraken]

DA HELL? don't get giant spiders? People just stop playing the game after a spider jumped into their face

Now I get thoughts of face huggers...

[distant storm]

New Alien game confirmed?

[paper oriole]

Add arthropleura and it sometimes just spawns in bathrooms at merc bases in place of house in place of house millipedes/centipedes

[odd kraken]

Alien zombie giant dinosaur spiders

[paper oriole]

Walk in to the bathroom and theres just a millipede the length of the whole floor chilling

[sick dirge]

At least they’re herbivorous

[odd kraken]

Dinos needing sleep so ants can eat the while sleeping like in that Indiana jones movie

[distant storm]

better

walk into a bathroom and theres a normal millipede

[wooden mica]

best- playable millipede

[paper oriole]

See a normal millipede on the wall, whack it and an arthropleura just comes crawling out of the ceiling to avenge it

[distant storm]

"MY BABY"

[odd kraken]

A dinosaur that is able to break bones and let you bleed out?

[paper oriole]

They should add that bigass bobbit worm to the shallow sea water what was it called websterprion or something

[hoary dawn]

i don't think anyone wants neon colors at all in the game, but the colors they have seem very reasonable. the purples shown on the ptera and stego for example are nice and subtle

[static niche]

regardless, there's going to be a saturation slider for colors. it's the player's choice if they want to be neon or not

[warm flame]

and even then it won't be neon cause there's enough limits

[ashen wasp]

i wouldnt mind a Pitohui Oro, Hypsi has a lot going for it already

[hoary dawn]

even with saturation turned to the max i doubt it will look neon

just bright

[static niche]

probs

[edgy harbor]

@bleak bison Well its not even in the game yet. You're looking at a developer build half the things probably won't look right and aren't Indicative of the final product, yknow?

[bleak bison]

Hoping you’re right

[rare fractal]

@bleak bison Which stream is that from?

[bleak bison]

Just watch the isle news daily’s second to last video

[rare fractal]

Oh thank you

[limber hull]

@bleak bison that’s pretty clearly the trot

[bleak bison]

The trot looks bad then

[limber hull]

IDK, looks good to me, I don’t see the issue

Bouncy little creature

[bleak bison]

It looks weird af moving like that😂😂

[limber hull]

i mean

its a troodon, looking weird af isn't exactly wrong for it

[hoary dawn]

idk why they keep making troodon move like a cartoon villain but honestly i'm starting to develop an ironic love for it

[limber hull]

its amazing lmao

actual rascal

[empty epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/troodon-the-isle-kaperoo-isle-gif-23272588

A lot of melodrama is built inside Troodon

[tight oxide]

i loved it since the beginning lmao

plus if people hate it that much just wait for mods to change the animations a bit ig

[stark dust]

isle troodon run looks like its got a hunch back

[bleak bison]

There’s weird and then there’s that,horribly different

[limber hull]

i dont really see whats wrong with it

[calm granite]

looks fine lol

[hybrid tiger]

It looks fine maybe a little floaty at times but not badly

[modern schooner]

I don't like its running animation they showed in dondis stream

[barren zephyr]

@mint girder there is no neon colors in the skins shown, I don't know what are you talking about

@gray loom all the stego skins shown are realistic

[limber hull]

did you just compare a tiny little desert lizard to a 6 ton stegosaurus

[barren zephyr]

@bright bay troodon doesn't exist so it doesn't need feathers

[limber hull]

thats not how that works

[barren zephyr]

I not going to argue with you, that skin will make it to release, also the game is not realistic so if you dont want to find players with those skins, play in servers with those colors restricted

@barren zephyr don't worry they will keep them for official servers

[calm granite]

boiwhatdahellboi

[tight oxide]

the real question is why does that one shot utah

[limber hull]

probably hit the head with desync

[calm granite]

thee isle

either way shouldnt 1 shot lol

silly balancing

[tight oxide]

imho the size of that stego doesnt look like it should one shot utah at all

[limber hull]

eh

its a stego, it'd just die otherwise

[tight oxide]

animation doesnt help show why it should one shot either

the swipe looks a bit slow ngl

[calm granite]

isle

skins will help me cope

[limber hull]

doesnt look slow to me

[tight oxide]

im just saying that stego should of been a bit bigger to one shot

[limber hull]

just looks delayed

[calm granite]

stegos jab in the isle

silly asf

[tight oxide]

well to be fair wasnt stego intended to be a ai dino?

would explain the boring moveset

[calm granite]

stego dmg lower allow to swing while moving = way more fun creature

dont think im ever touching that boring ahh dino again tbh

[tight oxide]

i think another swipe would be better

like a faster but less dmg dealing one

[calm granite]

should be able to wing while running

but take more stam

[tight oxide]

maybe

[calm granite]

and dmg lower

[tight oxide]

but i think stego should have 2 different swipes

like agile swipe would help for fighting faster dinosaurs

but slower one is for fighting big bois

[limber hull]

i think it should have jab

but also have a swing that covers its backside\

and can be used while moving

[tight oxide]

ja

yes lets give stego ja

[limber hull]

shut the fuck up loser

[tight oxide]

but yea that would be cool

[tight oxide]

oh... uh... ok

[limber hull]

nah im fuckin with ya

[tight oxide]

amaze

[limber hull]

yea

[tight oxide]

suggest it ayo

[limber hull]

when rexes come in, jab probably wont work

[tight oxide]

jab would be helpful for smaller or faster dinosaurs

i guess

normal swipe can be for things that are you know rex

[valid zephyr]

@distant storm imo neither stego sex should have those round plates. As they're just the regular plates melted in half.

Males should have the current plates with colour. Females should have thinner and more pointed plates (almost like the plates on the front half of kentro).

[wicked osprey]

Got the isled

Players dont kill you in this game, bugs do - seasoned isle player

[burnt bone]

You just haven’t learned how to control the bugs yet. Just live under the floor as a gator

[mint girder]

Stego bottom right

The color pallet isn’t strict enough to me

Grey body with blue and black plates clashes too hard

[barren zephyr]

That is not neon

And I can use that image if I want to

[mint girder]

It’s entire body is blue

[barren zephyr]

I know

[limber hull]

Its also a tiny animal

[static niche]

if you want strict, play on official. they’ll be having realistic colors only

[tidal rose]

Small animals usually have brighter and fancier coloration

[limber hull]

i really hope hypsi keeps the more vibrant colours

[tidal rose]

i personally wouldnt mind it as well, though some of the lighter colors looked a bit odd with the feather texture, other than that yeah pretty much

What I mean by odd is for example heres a picture of a copper colored bird and how its feathers look versus the hypsi. Wee bit odd but nothing really of concern

to me darker base hypsies look the best

[valid zephyr]

Want to make a pheasant looking hypsi.

[burnt bone]

I think the issue is that we have an image of the Dinos at this point: hypsi is black and yellow, stego is green with a little red, etc. so when you change the colors, it looks much more unrealistic compared to the base one we have that is “normal”. Even if the colors are as bold or only slightly more vibrant than what we have now.

[barren zephyr]

i really hope so man

[haughty dock]

any animators here?

[tidal rose]

to be fair with how dondi showed the ui, it seems it will be pretty easy making realistic skins

[distant storm]

@valid zephyr I agree that none should have the melted round plates. But if I had to make it the easiest transition development wise

[hybrid tiger]

That would be like future palaeontologists saying a bison would be bright yellow because the lowland streaked tenrec is bright yellow

[bright heath]

Why are people upset about the troodon animation? its not even out yet the animations are still wip im sure.

[worthy plover]

@mint sonnet i really recommend using Vulnona, it is pretty much a map of the isle, with grid points and coordinate system. I use it to give myself some direction and to explore. Highly recommend. Also when you sniff and that compass appears on the top of your screen, the up arrow is north and the down arrow is south. I think you accidentally went north west or north, because that is where the beaches are

[merry mantle]

@bleak bison I mean that's what I think they were going for and honestly don't think it's that bad and wouldn't mind if they changed it. It's just a thought and opinion but to each their own.

[wicked osprey]

Where is it?

[merry mantle]

It's in general feedback

[bright heath]

I saw it and the first thing i thought was "huh, definitely wip, neat though."

[merry mantle]

That troodon animation, I mean it's goofy and weightless looking as all hell but I think it also adds a lot of character to the dino. It gives it a rather sneaky feeling which makes sense since it will be more of a night hunter. So seeing that thing hobbling in the dark like that adds to the creepy horror aspect that the game is going for imo

Here was my reply to it ☝️

[wicked osprey]

Kinda floaty but the ideea fits the animal, wip tho

[bright heath]

yea i mean the animation is good it just needs more polish

[merry mantle]

Yee

[barren zephyr]

Sciencetists will think it had the colors of their successor

Or similar

[hybrid tiger]

What

A small blue lizard isn’t really a successor to a stego is it

[paper oriole]

UGLY

[hoary dawn]

isle galli is far better than jp galli

[paper oriole]

God why does that guy want this

[burnt bone]

Then why not complain about hypsi’s colors, they are based HEAVILY off king of saxony birds of paradise. And a small Dino like hypsi likely did not have as much feathers, especially not that colorful. But it was a stylistic design choice that I really enjoy.

[paper oriole]

Isle galli is nice but i wish it had ratite style feathers but at least it doesnt have a fucked up back and arms

[hoary dawn]

nice guy

not nice guy

[paper oriole]

If our galli model had a big of fluff hed be perfection

Fluff galli > isle naked galli >>>>>>> jp galli

Ugh i hate how wrinkly jp dinos are

Its like a wet hand

[hoary dawn]

galli already is just a significantly better ovi

[topaz palm]

I didn't say Jurassic World Evolution, I said Jurassic World. The films.

[topaz palm]

This isn't how they appear in the films either. In my post I linked gifs to the movie designs I was talking about.

[foggy bolt]

why are people pissing and crying over the skins when BOB has shit like this

[paper oriole]

they still have the weird spine problem

[foggy bolt]

if people only want poop colored dinos they can play legacy

im excited for blue steggo 🙂

[paper oriole]

poop dinos are good camo sometimes

[foggy bolt]

if people want to be a beacon then let em

[paper oriole]

personally as long as a stego isnt covered in blue im fine like its alright to have blue accents

[foggy bolt]

yeee!

[paper oriole]

only thing im against is the plastic toy/gummi/fruit salad dinos

[foggy bolt]

legacy had decent bright accents. muted/gray blues/purples/pinks are good for everything else

[paper oriole]

not using my own eyes as a source anyway, the electric blue that stego has is pretty close to the grey spectrum on a color map, as long as it isnt covering a huge portion of its body i dont see a problem

[foggy bolt]

just play bob if you wanna be a gummy dino

[paper oriole]

bob skins are so bad that they actually ruin the models theyre on lol

[foggy bolt]

YEAH

yeah

[paper oriole]

isnt that basically the tug of war the devs were talking about before

[foggy bolt]

yeah i can get that

[paper oriole]

biting a stego tail

[foggy bolt]

its realistic but i also think denio players should just like- not pick fights with thingd they currently cannot beat 😭

they really out here picking thier own fates tbh

[paper oriole]

i think giving deino fracture would help deter stego somewhat

who wants a head fracture

if deino gravs a stego leg i dont really see why it logically coudnt attempt to use its tail while striggling

[foggy bolt]

^^

when i think of denio graB i think about how real gators will grab and elephants trunk only to get its head caved it lmao

[paper oriole]

realistically yeah but getting 2 shot as any 5+ hour animal is pretty awful. the suggestion of reducing terrestrial animals' attack potency in water + deino fracture could fix the problem just as well as this

[foggy bolt]

but its realistic

[paper oriole]

but if the devs can pull their old tug of war idea off then its fine

[foggy bolt]

denios can like- not hunt stegos

[paper oriole]

because i think thats basically what this is

[foggy bolt]

its ok for denios to have a weakness

[paper oriole]

ony issue is stegos stick their arses in water to fish for them sometimes

but yeah deino has no reason to have to hunt stego

[foggy bolt]

again- denios not have to fight them

[paper oriole]

neither of them should really bother with eachother but this is the isle and people like a death match

[foggy bolt]

the whole map is rivers- just move on

[paper oriole]

imagine when trike comes in how it deino gonna deal with that shit lol

[foggy bolt]

the reason people currently treat the game like a death match is because theres not enough playables. NOTHING will be balanced as long as there nothing else to play

right now carno is a damn apxe when it shouldnt be ( coming from a carno main)

[paper oriole]

in that case specifically, watch your surroundings first and drag the body. look both ways befor eyou cross the street ya know

deino shouldnt beat stego on land unless the stego is afk otherwise its gonna become land deino again

[foggy bolt]

denios are aquatic, they shouldnt be going so far inland that they will get killed

yeee

[paper oriole]

wat the comment mentioned stego

deino eating a body on land and a stego KOSes, how do you get snuck up on by a stego?

oh lmao

[foggy bolt]

devs need to add more aquatic / half aquatic dinos like sucho ot barry

theres your fix right there

[paper oriole]

now im just envisioning a stealth stego hiding in a bush waiting for somebody to take a bait body lol

ambush predator stego

[foggy bolt]

god thats so swaety

[paper oriole]

ive had pacies try that on me before

but just imagining that slow lard bucket stego doing it is hilarious

thats just abusable in fights tbh

fights between packs and large animals can last quite a while

[foggy bolt]

really think the devs need to focus on more playables because adding new features making the balancing worse

[wicked osprey]

playable boar

[foggy bolt]

need more mid tiers and top teirs to kill these mega packs

[wicked osprey]

[foggy bolt]

1 apxe and then everyone just plays that one apxe

[paper oriole]

personally it probably wouldnt be bad in theory to add some more of the non-mechanic heavy animals, but at the same time the devs already struggle to hell balancing the animals they currently have despite fixes being so obvious sometimes

[foggy bolt]

we really just need more mid tiers thats it

[paper oriole]

adding any apex or large mid pred with the current carni diet system would give us another apex plague

stuff like body camping and mix packing is probably best left to moderation because the solutions are griefable

[foggy bolt]

i never said carni mid tiers only- we can get some herbie ones too. para for example

i would say add trike but it'd be abused

[paper oriole]

para is a flight animal barely anybody is gonna pick it over something like allo

[foggy bolt]

we need 2 carni apex's before a herbi apex

[foggy bolt]

you say that when we got hypsi and dryo in the game. 😭

no one plays that shit

[paper oriole]

how to get an apex plague 101 add some flight herbis 5% of a server might play and a killer carni thats gonna beat ass that will become half the server or more in population

[paper oriole]

literally my point

flight animals are boring to most people especially since they have very little utility rn

only times i see hypsi are in mix packs

probably people who died and came back to spit on enemies

[foggy bolt]

only way i can enjoy "rare" dinos is when its not on a carnies diet. also next update when they add hypsi growth- NO ONE will play that

[paper oriole]

hypsi is literally 1 of 2 "i died and dont feel like regrowing" animals

hypsi and ptera, but at least ptera is funner than hypsi

no, it grows basically instantly

[foggy bolt]

only reason people play hypsi is because its auto 100% grown

[paper oriole]

it can fly around and be a master nuisance in minutes

[paper oriole]

basically

what

i said ptera is a throwaway dino like hypsi i wasnt saying it was a long grow dino people wouldnt want to regrow

[foggy bolt]

the isle could do with less deino players tbh. deino mega packs are cancer

[paper oriole]

deio mega packs are what ever you can easily avoid them

carnos are the worst rn

[foggy bolt]

ptera is a throw away dino 100% someone in my group dies as a carno they come back as a bird because carno is too long to grow

[paper oriole]

sometimes i just kms as a ptera for fun and make another ptera

[foggy bolt]

100%

[paper oriole]

ptera basically does legacy dryo's role but does it 100x better

[foggy bolt]

i hate to say it but the devs should learn from what BOB has with mega pack debuffs and such

herbies get debuffs from being around corpse too long n such

[paper oriole]

vicinity/proximity debuffs tend to be abusable

and thats prelevant in BoB with some of their systems especially

[foggy bolt]

its worth looking into

[paper oriole]

you can literally just body drop or follow somebody to debuff them or troll them with such systems

lmao are you crazy

[foggy bolt]

two carno groups come face to face is not an auto debuff. 15 minutes of chilling together is a debuff

[paper oriole]

lose them in the woods? OP tracking system says no. Herbis are also slower than their predators in the isle

15 minutes is also well long enough to megapack slaughter another group and then part until next massacre

so it is bypassable or abusable or both

ive had a pachy try that one me, didnt work lmao

[foggy bolt]

its better then nothing

[paper oriole]

nah it really isnt

it just adds another problem

[tight oxide]

when my prey does that its only a mere set back but i always end up finding them lol

[foggy bolt]

also if they actually like- fix the map to be more like legacy V3 where everyone is nicely spread out then its not that long of a time

[paper oriole]

it adds another griefbait system to struggle balancing

[paper oriole]

yeah the system is so fucking broken lmao even with a legbreak you can track a pachy through the woods

[foggy bolt]

being able to semi sprint whit a leg break is BUSTED

[tight oxide]

make tracking blue circle bigger

simple

[tight oxide]

its helpful though

its better than legacy leg break ill tell ya that lmao

[paper oriole]

when the solution to a problem just leads to more problems (the packing and body debuffs) then its best left to server moderators to control and not some awful system that would be abused by trolls

[foggy bolt]

yeah but it should pause the healing and or make it worse- you can heal a leg break while walking which is ehhh

jinx

#general-feedback-discussion message

[tight oxide]

tbf i dont think this is the final fracture system

[foggy bolt]

probably

[tight oxide]

yea ik

[foggy bolt]

#general-feedback message

[tight oxide]

ever heard of twins?

[paper oriole]

bad animal

[foggy bolt]

ugly thats y

[paper oriole]

magy stoopid

[foggy bolt]

even twins wasnt as bad as the hotspots in spiro

[tight oxide]

ever heard of port?

[foggy bolt]

again

you never had the whole damn player base of a server in one area

[tight oxide]

yea sorry man legacy just had a bunch of hotspots but in reality everyone went to the same hotspots

[paper oriole]

remember greatfalls/trike mountain where there was always a megaherd and 10 rexes and gigas

[tight oxide]

lmao i somehow managed to grow my gigas there alone

[paper oriole]

i usually grew my gigas in the hot springs area i hope we get one of those in evrima tbh

[tight oxide]

thats because there were multiple hotspots

[foggy bolt]

i go on to evrima i KNOW 100% people will be at NW spawn. i go on legacy and i run around the map hoping someone is at a normal hotspot examples : twins - herbi hill - port - hidden -thing water fall area - raptor rck

[tight oxide]

everyone went to the same hotspots

[paper oriole]

id wander around there and titan lake, two good areas that deserve to be in evrima

lazy river deserves a remake in evrima as well it would be deino and fisher heaven

[tight oxide]

i mean i found a nice area in spiro with a log you can enter and a hidden tarpit with some nice rock formations

problem is there needs to be more water

if they add water to that i might say it could be a hotspot

bring oasis back minus the diet plants and make its lake have no shallow areas

i think NW and south would be more balanced out then

add more cooler areas to the other parts of the map

well wait for port ig

port gonna make the great utah migration

there will still be people who want to be at the other hotspots

and again diet plants will force herbis to stay at certain spots

which would force carnis to move

and the only way is to make the map feel better to explore

pure ai diet would get boring and ai doesnt fill all nutrients....

people like getting all 3 nutrients at times soo...

which are planned

[foggy bolt]

i made a lil helpfull map showing my usual run around on legacy VS evirma

[tight oxide]

thats why i said at times

[wicked osprey]

better nerf teno and buff carno pls

[tight oxide]

ima be honest in legacy i liked hanging around the edges of the map

v3 was a fun map to explore imho

[foggy bolt]

100%

[tight oxide]

and keep in mind spiro was kinda rushed since spero wasnt able to have smooth servers

pretty sure if we got spero we might have less problems

like spero pretty sure was made with deinosuchus more in mind

look at spero water

crazy water

[foggy bolt]

Spiro is fucking beautiful but like - if you want to explore these areas/ "live" there you cant cause you'll starve/ dehydrated

[tight oxide]

make ai spawn more where players arent

might make you explore a bit just by wanting ai

[foggy bolt]

that and like- make these places liveable

[tight oxide]

yea more water

[foggy bolt]

add WAYER

[tight oxide]

ADD MORE PONDS

ponds that are still deep ofc

[foggy bolt]

it kills me there not lakes/ponds

[tight oxide]

ikr

if you think about it a pond would really help deino

make it into a pond and you kinda have a thing going for you

[foggy bolt]

#general-feedback message

[tight oxide]

even make it so rivers have a water tunnel leading to ponds

[foggy bolt]

my suggestion right here

[tight oxide]

yea i read it

hurts how good spero was though

[foggy bolt]

the fact we only have one pond and its right here is laughable

[tight oxide]

just imagine flying to a island as ptera or something

[foggy bolt]

GOD I WISH

[tight oxide]

or making a boat as a human to go to a island

imagine the migrations though

and all that water for deino to chill in

[foggy bolt]

like man please- allow us to go here

just open this area PLEASE

[tight oxide]

pls devs....

[paper oriole]

i used to hang out there as pachy a lot until they ruined the diets lol

[tight oxide]

you mean removed oasis?

[foggy bolt]

yes because theres no herbi diet by it

[valid zephyr]

I'd rather get prehistoric kingdom gallis than jurrasic world gallis. 🤢

[paper oriole]

no, i barely touched oasis that place was cancer

[foggy bolt]

i miss croc pot

[tight oxide]

cus diets were the same since pachy came

[paper oriole]

i have to travel way too far for 3 nutrients to bother with it now

[tight oxide]

me and my juvie utah making its way to coast

or get unreal 5 and bring spero back from the dead....

[jovial otter]

More landmarks, more drinking sources

[tight oxide]

[valid zephyr]

diets just make exploring and running about the map where you want to go a complete pain

[paper oriole]

herbivore food should be spread more evenly in its biomes throughout the whole island, in turn players form both factions will have more liberty to move around more. the region locked food in herbi diets makes exploration a sacrifice because if you dont go back to one region you are punished by lower stats

[valid zephyr]

just gotta follow the food triangle forever

[foggy bolt]

pocket pool

fuck it- ill say it. i miss this version of spiro- it was so fun actually running arounf the whole map

[tight oxide]

what if this was map evrima released with...

and jace touched it...

[foggy bolt]

better then spiro

[tight oxide]

imho it is

[paper oriole]

i remember back before diets i knew theyd just be tailored to move herbivores to specific easy find spots for carnis, then when they added diets some people started defending a regional triangle diet idea and i said thaat would blow ass. i am consistently right ig

[valid zephyr]

please no.

that's glorified single player

[tight oxide]

how so?

[valid zephyr]

it makes the current map look tiny. You would literally never see anyone.

the performance would be abysmal too.

[tight oxide]

that map was intended to have waaaay more players though

[foggy bolt]

increasing player cap would fix it

[tight oxide]

imagine in a world where that wasnt an issue

[valid zephyr]

nooo it wasn't. the old quotes from dondi suggest it would have far far less players.

[foggy bolt]

make it 300 and im sold

[tight oxide]

due to performance

im saying in a world where performance wasnt a problem

[foggy bolt]

never trust doni

[valid zephyr]

I prefer thenyaw/region 2 type map sizes

I miss the old maps.

[foggy bolt]

every time i see doni stream he is RP'ing in GTA yet he will shame people for rping in his own game

thats just my hot take

[foggy bolt]

2 small

[valid zephyr]

should be a small map and a giant map for different players preferences.

[foggy bolt]

v3 size is perfect for a 200 player cap

[valid zephyr]

hope it arrives soon.

[foggy bolt]

doubt

[valid zephyr]

really not a fan of the current map. just a giant featureless mass of jungle.

[foggy bolt]

nothing arives soon in the isle

[tight oxide]

actually in update 1 evrima we kept getting QoL updates

bug fixes came a lot

[foggy bolt]

what about now?

[valid zephyr]

Thenyaw > Region 2 > V3 > Spiro

Is my order of preference.

[tight oxide]

very slow

[foggy bolt]

exactly

[valid zephyr]

Spero is what I'm dreading. I want a smaller map. Not a giant map so big that I never interact with other players.

I've got no interest in ever touching spero with a 10 foot pole.

[tight oxide]

its called higher player limit

[valid zephyr]

You can't just endlessly up the player limit.

[tight oxide]

spero would prob work well if we had unreal 5

but we are unreal 4

[valid zephyr]

there are technical reasons you can't just magic up a 300 player cap.

[tight oxide]

sadly

[tight oxide]

legacy managed to go 200 before breaking so 200 or maybe 300 on a unreal 5 might work fine on spero

[foggy bolt]

if legacy can handle a cap of 200. evrima can handle 300

[tight oxide]

evrima was meant to go above legacy limits

[valid zephyr]

Yes. And that's the reason you can't just magic up a 300 player cap.

[tight oxide]

if you really wanted you could...

[valid zephyr]

And it's a fuck load of trouble and work.

[foggy bolt]

Anthomnia actually stress tested lecagys play cap

hold one sec

[valid zephyr]

Note: You don't find the absolute limit of what the server can do before exploding and set it to that number.

You set it to a number far below that if you want actual performance.

[foggy bolt]

cant find the video L

[valid zephyr]

kind of even then, as I can't dig up all the old dev quotes.

as they wiped islecord a while back

I lost so many shitposts in the wipe

[foggy bolt]

with good server hosting you can have high player counts

its not 100% the game. its also about what you are hosting the servers on. a kid who sets up a server on his PC will host less players then a person paying someone with a god computer to host. kinda think of minecraft logic stuff

its what ant was going into

in the video i cant find because his titles are so unfriendly when trying to find one thing

[mint sonnet]

Oooo alright I'll take a looksee at that!
Also yeah I know which is north and south dw
I rly dont know how I ended up there, it was like a massive cliff and beyond was the beach-- that was the other thing, terrain made it even more confusing ghsuygfe

[paper oriole]

Carchar giga clone

[warm flame]

uhm achtually it's the opposite because carchar came first

in all seriousness, we do not need carch

we have 2 large bleeders already, don't need a third who's basically both of those combined

[stray holly]

Why do you hate Ptera @limber hull

[limber hull]

i like ptera

i dont like ptera being a fucking dense rock animal for what it is

[stray holly]

I think a weight nerf for it was unnecessary.

[limber hull]

i disagree. the animal is a passive fisher/flyer, it has no need for high health

it literally has all the defence it needs already

it isn't a combat animal, nor is it an animal that is easily caught

[stray holly]

It’s not like Ptera was brawling with other playables. Most things still one or two shotted it.

[limber hull]

So what's wrong with the HP nerf? If it doesn't change the basic playstyle, I don't get it

The animal has literally been one of the strongest in the game from a sheer adjective survival perspective since launch

The health nerf has done very little to actually change that

[paper oriole]

The nerf wasn’t necessary but it doesn’t matter anyway because ptera isnt a pvp animal

[limber hull]

Just because some people want ptera to be some kind of quetz jr doesn't mean it should be

[wise rune]

not saying it has to be a tank just some extra hp so it doesnt get destroyed by absolutely everything

even still it probably will, just getting one shot by almost everything is annoying

[wise rune]

even if it isnt a pvp animal id still like to kill some things without being one shotted

[limber hull]

its honestly essentially an extra-small tier in weight at this point, which is where I'd personally put it

[wise rune]

yeah it should be like that but 45kg is a bit eh

[limber hull]

45kg is pretty damn accurate for the actual animal

actually, it's on the heavier side of estimations

[paper oriole]

play more cautiously then

you have no reason to be killing players except maybe hypsi which you can still fight just as well as before

[tight oxide]

what do you not want to get one shotted by?

[wise rune]

even if i play cautiously the game with desync and shitty hitboxes gets me killed

and i like to go around killing juvis so

[warm flame]

it gets 4 shot by dryo

[tight oxide]

ptera can kill every juvie by flying over and pecking them so...

[limber hull]

and?

[wise rune]

my point exactly

[tight oxide]

whats wrong with that

[warm flame]

[limber hull]

i like how literally every person who has a problem with ptera weight also plays it as a quetz ripoff

[tight oxide]

dryo is a land animal and more adapted for land

ptera is hollow bones

[limber hull]

yea guys, dryo shouldn't kill anything

ptera should kill everything because carnivore

[wise rune]

yeah man

[tight oxide]

dryo compared to other land animals cant kill shit besides ig velociraptor tier

[limber hull]

dryo should not be able to kill a fucking lightweight bird because herbivore

[warm flame]

ah yes, not wanting ptera to be 4 shot by dryo = I want ptera to kill everything and dryo to be more useless than it is already

[paper oriole]

dryo should trampel pt to death when thats added tbh

[limber hull]

LMAO YES

[tight oxide]

ptera can fly and avoid dryo...

why would you need to take more hits from dryo?

are you trying to become a land bird?

[paper oriole]

ptera barely takes longer to grow than dryo but unlike dryo it can avoid any and all danger from pvp

so why should it also outfight dryo

[wise rune]

yeah but tbh if you get killed by a dryo thats on you

[warm flame]

I didn't say it should

[tight oxide]

its why i hate it being on dinosaur diets like utah...

[warm flame]

I said that dryo should NOT 4 shot a ptera

[limber hull]

Eh, at least unlike deino, utah can kill one

Well good news, it technically doesn't lmao

[tight oxide]

yea but nothing stops ptera from again flying away

[paper oriole]

why not lol ptera is basically a skeleton with some leather

[tight oxide]

the only time utah kills ptera is when ptera wants to fight

[limber hull]

If dryo does 10N bite and ptera has 45HP, ptera can't be 4 shot to body

[paper oriole]

ive gotten a couple PT who land to eat as utah but those are careless pteras

[tight oxide]

just wait for quetz lmao

[wise rune]

stego also one shots pt with a bite which is fair

[tight oxide]

but a ptera with a brain wouldnt give utah a chance to kill em

[wise rune]

but still annoying

[tight oxide]

which again i think shouldnt be the case to make ptera utah diet animal

[paper oriole]

yeah its solely reliant on the ptera being careless or stupid

[paper oriole]

yeah but how do you even accidentally get in a position where a stego can bite you

[tight oxide]

give utah goat as a option or chicken lol

something that you can kill most of the time...

plus ptera is suppose to hang around coast mostly...

[limber hull]

utah is meant to be wherever the fuck it wants so

[paper oriole]

ptera has the easiest food and easiest growth in the game basically and people complain that it cant pvp good

like take the pros and cons and deal with it

[tight oxide]

ptera has the coastal rocks that utah cant reach...

[limber hull]

how many pteras do you ACTUALLY see on those rocks

[tight oxide]

think diets should be more about if you can reliably kill it

[limber hull]

i mean

ptera is better than deino in that regard

[tight oxide]

not those occasional things

[tight oxide]

well ofc

[limber hull]

utah can ambush and one-tap it ez

[tight oxide]

when can you find a ptera exactly that is aware of the area

[warm flame]

@dapper mirage from what I've heard about the bug, if you spam quick log in the server your dino was in you'll eventually come back as the dinosaur you're supposed to be

but yeah it still seriously needs to be fixed

[modern schooner]

Yes my friend did that and it worked

[dapper mirage]

yea i got the bug today and quickly closed the game, thankfully my carno was spared (only after i sent a prayer upwards, of course)

but ive lost so many others like that

[warm flame]

it hadn't happened to me for so long I thought it was fixed, but apparently not, what even causes it? a save error maybe?

must take one hell of a save error for it to always be hatchling utah people are made into

[main imp]

The amarula fruit getting dinosaurs drunk idea would make me play herbivores

[keen bough]

But why would you even eat it though?

[keen bough]

devs confirmed there will be an option to dial the gore down, but also they said they wanted it as realistic as possible

i mean they also said that the game isn't for younger audiences anyway, but i do know adults that are really squeamish so yeah

[limber hull]

NO OPTION

FULL GORE

DINO REALISM LESSGO

perhaps but i'd prefer everyone bare witness to the grizzly realities

i'd like it to be either "very gory" to "extremely gory"

since no matter what, there will be rotting meat, limbs torn from bodies, bleeding and more. This much is confirmed

[keen bough]

consider others for a sec mate

[limber hull]

i mean, idk how much you can censor a decapitated baby stego before you don't even know what you're looking at, or it looks extremely ugly

[keen bough]

yeah THIS bruh, like people could actually get hurt just because you want everybody to be afraid ( not targeted at you blazedchris)

[limber hull]

it's still a decapitated baby stego

[keen bough]

i personally want as much blood and gore and horror as possible but thats my preference and i'm not going to freak out others seriously because of it

decapitated doesn't mean it has to be dripping with organs and blood (although i would love it to )it could just be stego head

[limber hull]

i never understand why people play a game about horror-survival dinosaurs with gore phobias

thats quite literally the ultimate place for gore

[keen bough]

they want a frickin dinosaur survival game

[foggy breach]

do people really faint from gore that's IN A GAME?

[keen bough]

yes, trust me phobias are a serious threat

once i flipped my eyelids back in class and this girl literally threw up even though it was pretty much a centimeter of red

[foggy breach]

as wavepoole said, I don't think people with such serious gore phobias would buy a dino horror survival game

[keen bough]

but they would play a dinosaur survival game

[foggy breach]

how about PoT?

but they would see their friends and herd members get torn apart and sometimes EATEN ALIVE

[keen bough]

there's a difference between violence and gore dude

[foggy breach]

ye, but they will see them getting eaten, which would show gore

[keen bough]

welp in any case i should sleep because its 1:00 am cya dudes

well the current gore is very mild right?

[foggy breach]

I mean, in the gore update

[keen bough]

yeah maybe the dialed down gore is what the current state of the games gore should be right?

[foggy breach]

yea why not

[keen bough]

ok goodbye, i need sleep

[foggy breach]

I'll definitely be picking the highest gore possible, unless it affects the performance

[foggy breach]

gn

[hybrid tiger]

Compy is a waste of a server slot if you want to play a small fast carnivore play Utah then troodon when it comes out

[limber hull]

how dare you compy is fucking hilarious

[hybrid tiger]

I love it but he is literally a flea

Yesterday I was playing deino and I watched a compy glide at Mach 10 across the river to get to a dryo body then glide back downstream after I ate the body

[maiden anvil]

@worthy plover while I agree you should be rewarded by doing small activities that makes you appear natural, I do not agree with your examples. You shouldn’t be rewarded with a boost in your stats but with perks if anything.

[worthy plover]

I didnt say stats just some temporary regen to maybe healing or stam. Also i really recommend using vulnona. Helps alot with navigation around the map

[maiden anvil]

What’s Vulnona?

[worthy plover]

A map website for the isle

Has grid coords and everything. Really handy

[maiden anvil]

I am aware of that website. Though I think there should be a way to navigate a location with in the game

[worthy plover]

You just need to know the map better. You know landmarks and stuff. Once you get that down, navigating woth the compass in game is a breeze. Up arrow is north. Down arrow is south

[modest remnant]

@pure quiver they're already working on expanding their team, and have been for like, the past half year

[pure quiver]

Excellent! Well then, I need to work on my rigging skills!

[manic flint]

They've been looking for people for a while now
I recall seeing a list of skills they wanted

[pure quiver]

I'm gonna need that list... 😮

[pure quiver]

Cheers!

[modest remnant]

Np

[pure quiver]

I guess I could hone my animation skills for some grunt work. Starting or continuing animations in progress!

[paper oriole]

Ugh holy shit imagine that energy system with current herbivore diets

[sick pond]

that energy system might be kinda cool if most plants was edible

[wicked osprey]

fix performance, 10 bodies in one tile drops fps to 5

[manic flint]

Hold on
The energy system?

[paper oriole]

Draining energy just by walking and existing and being forced to sleep if it runs out

[keen bough]

Actual sleeping should be a thing though, not to log out but it would be epic to sleep and maybe get a buff like faster Stam regen, or when gore comes out, better digestion.

[warm flame]

forces you to sleep in day

[manic flint]

That sounds
Cool but really annoying

[warm flame]

here it is to read it yourself
#general-feedback message

[paper oriole]

It sounds like something that would work better in a singleplayer game

Sounds annoying as shit to manage energy on top of stamina, food and water while someone can attack you out of nowhere at any given time

[warm flame]

you don't even notice your energy is out and your dino has an overly dramatic faint animation, putting its hand on its head (or trying to) with a groan sound and falling backwards

[tight oxide]

imagine falling asleep while drinking...

or falling asleep underwater as deino lmao

hell even falling asleep mid air as ptera

i can see all the deaths this energy idea will cause lol

[warm flame]

falling asleep while drinking, and the screen goes dark
you hear a deino lunge and wake up to the character selection screen

[warm flame]

unintentional kamikaze pteras

[tight oxide]

but fr uh

will deino drown if it falls asleep underwater?

lmao

[warm flame]

I'd imagine so, realistically it wouldn't, but in the isle yeah

[tight oxide]

wow goodbye 5 hours

[warm flame]

ptera if it fell alseep mid air I imagine it'd just glide in a direction, probably end up crashing

[tight oxide]

would be cool ngl tho

but imagine gliding around coast and falling into the ocean

imagine falling asleep while pouncing as utah LMAO

[warm flame]

waking up and you're on top of a floating plank in the ocean, stranded
Raft gameplay as a Pteranodon

[tight oxide]

and you cant fly cus wings are soaked

easily causes a new game

find a way back to land as ptera

[warm flame]

Raft is in fact a spinoff of The Isle, you play as a Pteranodon who crashed in the ocean

you were never a human, all along, a pteranodon

[tight oxide]

but uh falling asleep while pouncing?

i can see a bug causing infinite pounce

[tawny orbit]

how u fall asleep in this game

[tight oxide]

oh we just talking about someones energy idea lol

[warm flame]

yeah

[tight oxide]

so many ways it can go wrong if they add sudden sleeping

[tawny orbit]

there are pteranodons in the game and giant birds and crocs and spinos but I don't see them on carnivore list

[warm flame]

falling asleep as a deino who lunged

[tight oxide]

spino isnt ingame

[warm flame]

not in evrima at least

[tawny orbit]

i saw it in a video

[tawny orbit]

how to get out of evrima

[tight oxide]

spino is not a survival dinosaur either

[tight oxide]

uhh theres guide on yt

[tawny orbit]

i just bought the game

[warm flame]

if you just bought it you should be in legacy

[tight oxide]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzD_HcwWfS4

just uh pick legacy branch instead of evrima

[warm flame]

(legacy branch is "None")

[tight oxide]

yea

[tawny orbit]

which is better legendary or evrima

[warm flame]

depends

[tight oxide]

legendary ah yes

[warm flame]

the legendary legacy

[tight oxide]

but uh imo i prefer evrima but legacy is fun time to time

legacy feels empty with lack of mechanics you know?

[warm flame]

I can't play evrima cause GeForce removed betas unfortunately

imagine falling asleep while dodging as a dryo, I feel like that's something that'd cause the server to crash

[tight oxide]

i can still play but a bit lag

[tight oxide]

or falling asleep mid burrow making

[warm flame]

falling asleep when you crash as ptera

[tight oxide]

falling asleep while climbing

[warm flame]

falling asleep while hatching out of an egg

[tight oxide]

falling alseep in character select

[warm flame]

falling asleep while vomiting, waking up in a pile of the last thing you ate

[signal beacon]

@limpid lichen BoB has a similar mechanic and it just results in groups playing like idiots and damage stacking cause they do barely any damage to eachother

[paper oriole]

if you play in an uncoordinated group it's on you and the group to face the consequences of these mistakes

[manic flint]

Imo there need to be quick chat options
Like 'low on stam' or something since actually typing can take a bit of time

[limpid lichen]

@paper oriole I see your point on it, I don’t play too much BoB tbh. Maybe just add the mechanic for juvenile animals then? With the new nesting update I foresee lots of accidental infant murdering occurring.

[manic flint]

That's just a skill issue
Don't hit your babies
If I try and kick a raccoon and hit my baby cousin instead my foot doesn't phase through him

It also means the babies can't just stand under the adults, completely safe

[limpid lichen]

But in real life you are conscientious of your surroundings and know, when attacking something, to not hit your friends or to control where you hit to not hurt them.

And baby animals DO stand under/close to their mothers in nature.

[manic flint]

If you miss and hit your friend you don't hit any weaker, you just stop hitting them

[manic flint]

They still can get hit. Have you ever seen a bison accidentally kill their baby when defending it? There are videos of it.

[tight oxide]

too bad pinning doesnt work like that oof

[limpid lichen]

Yes, I’m an ecologist. But have you seen the larger portion of videos where the mother reliably defends their calf like that? Using an uncommon occurrence doesn’t justify it.

[keen bough]

bruh its a dinosaur survival horror game, its meant to be realistic, why should a stego accidentally hitting its child not do any damage, a huge thaganizer should still do damage even if its your child that wouldn't stop you from killing it if your not careful

[manic flint]

I never said they cant reliably defend themselves. I said that if they hit the baby the baby will die. (If it seems like I'm arguing otherwise my bad)

[keen bough]

THIS, it's about skill to not kill your child, if you do kill them, thats on you

[manic flint]

Exactly

[paper oriole]

No, just dont get hit lol

[manic flint]

If youre worried that they will get hit make them hide in the best or a bush and defend the area or something

[limpid lichen]

What I’m getting at is this: the way combat works in this game is large sweeping motions that do damage. In real life, damage is done very specifically where the animal intends that damage to go. I’m not saying accidents don’t happen, but they are in the minority. This is more a conversation about how the attacks in this game work when your Allie’s are close to you.

[keen bough]

ok then, if your baby is behind you, don't do a back kick, easy

[manic flint]

There aren't all sweeping motions, and if your playing an animal with them you should recognize that and not put your baby under the weapon that could hit them.

[paper oriole]

Tricking people in to friendly firing is a combat tactic used against groups anyway, it shouldn’t be taken away just because some people are too trigger happy around vulnerable group members. Dont stand by the ass of a stego or tenonto, or the front of a carni, or take that risk and the consequences that follow

[manic flint]

If a stego swings at an Allo and misses and hits the baby that doesn't mean the swing does any less damage

[manic flint]

^

[limpid lichen]

I see your point, but I disagree. And using the combat tactics developed in an unfinished game are a moot point.

[paper oriole]

Not really. The devs have never addressed it, so clearly it is a feature they are fine with

[limpid lichen]

So you speak for the devs?

[manic flint]

The combat is being made how they want it. As far as I know there is no combat update

[paper oriole]

No, but it is a pretty clear message if theyve never said shit about it

[tight oxide]

wait whats the new convo about today guys?

[manic flint]

Friendly fire

[paper oriole]

Some guy wants to remove friendly fire lol

[limpid lichen]

The devs haven’t addressed many things, and probably won’t until they are ready to work on them.

And I never said remove it, just diminish it for juveniles.

[paper oriole]

Why tho

Just dont get hit lol

[keen bough]

why though? how could you diminish a stego swipe so much that it wouldn't kill a baby, thats just dumb

[tight oxide]

dont remove it

[manic flint]

How does that make sense though? How does missing an attack and hitting the wrong target diminish it's effect?

[manic flint]

True

[limpid lichen]

Removing it was an option that I mentioned, and then seen your point about it being bad. Reducing juvi damage is a good thing in my opinion. Because a mother animal holds herself back when her baby is near? It not complicated thinking.

[keen bough]

juveniles are the most vulnerable creatures and should rely on their caretakers to actually try to defend them without killing them

[tight oxide]

if a stego is trying to swing full speed at a carno and misses only to see the juvie in the way...

juv dies in that moment

[paper oriole]

Stego does like what, 1000 damage? How do you reduce it so much that it doesnt oneshot a baby lmao

[keen bough]

what if the mother animal didn't know that the baby was right there when it swung?

[manic flint]

If that's your line of thinking then you should do less damage to your aggressors too?

[paper oriole]

You think the stego can suddenly stop that momentum to give the juvi a gentle tap with its thagomizers? That would look stupid

[limpid lichen]

It’s my line of thinking that a steak for example wouldn’t intentionally follow through to hit its infant. Accidents happen, but they should be in the minority.

[signal beacon]

I like baiting stegos to kill their babies as a dryo

[keen bough]

it's physically impossible to slow down that much force so it wouldn't kill the bab

[paper oriole]

A steak

[limpid lichen]

And yes, a stegosaurs tail was extremely dexterous. It could mitigate where the fire went.

[keen bough]

stego babies should know where to hide, in front of the stego

[limpid lichen]

Force*

[signal beacon]

This seems more like someone who doesn't want to aim

[limpid lichen]

The way aiming is done in the game is the core issue of my argument.

[paper oriole]

A baby stego that tries to take shelter near an adult's ass is just begging to be hit, maybe a trip to selection screen is what they need for an IQ check

[limpid lichen]

That’s rude to whomever that has happened to.

[keen bough]

whats wrong with the aiming?

[keen bough]

not really no

[paper oriole]

reality check

Common sense, dont stand behind a horse

[keen bough]

there are scenarios in the real world where a baby animal dies to its parent trying to defend them, though rare it does happen.

[paper oriole]

I saw a vid where a wildebeest kept stabbing its calf cus a leopard was there lmao

[keen bough]

also a stego attack is just a button click so inevitably accidents would occur much more often

[paper oriole]

The isle players irl

[limpid lichen]

And I am accepting that as rare. But more often the animal successfully defends its baby because a mother knows not to hit it.

[signal beacon]

Mostly because wild animals have an IQ above 3. Unlike isle players

[keen bough]

read this

[limpid lichen]

Commenting on the intelligence of players isn’t helping, and it is rude to others.

[paper oriole]

Not really

[signal beacon]

Besides, its kinda funny to accidentally vibe check the baby teno behind you and see it go flying

[keen bough]

stegos are sometimes trigger happy so it would make sense that accidents occur more often, thats not rude its just facts

[limpid lichen]

That’s what I’m saying, since it’s just a button click, there is no way to differentiate where the attack goes or who is on the receiving end.

[paper oriole]

Stegos also had tiny little peanut brains so it isnt a stretch that theyd just kebab their baby if its in the wrong spot in a fight

[limpid lichen]

Brain size doesn’t correlate to intelligence.

Neuron density does.

[paper oriole]

Thats true, isle players are an example of that

[keen bough]

yes there is?!? you aim then click, I was reffering to the fact that stegos click at the wrong times

[limpid lichen]

I understand accuracy depends on the player, but even “good” players can do this too because of how the attack functions.

[manic flint]

Yea but not many animals have attacks that you really follow through with except for maybe ceratopsians? A full stego swing or teno slam, even if the adult tried to stop would still do significant damage

A human can barely stop a punch they throw how will a stego stop a swing?

[keen bough]

significant enough to kill a juvenile

[limpid lichen]

I accept your points, but I still think something needs to be put into place about this, especially with the nesting update around the corner.

[keen bough]

ayo! wait i just had an idea!, someone try this out

[manic flint]

I think that the players just need to play smarter

(me included lol)

[keen bough]

so you know when you call then you bite it cancels the call, try that with a stego tail swing, so like bite whilst swinging, maybe that could stop it?

[limpid lichen]

I have killed juvis before like this too when I was specifically trying to avoid them, that is the basis for this question anyways.

[manic flint]

If I die because I got in the way of my parents attack that's on me

[keen bough]

it would look stupid but if thats such a big problem, blue draconian that could work?

[limpid lichen]

And that’s what I’m getting at, some way to stop/reduce damage if you are going to hit an u intended target

Unintended*

[manic flint]

I honestly doubt anyone can react that fast

But maybe??

[keen bough]

but if they could maybe it could work?

[limpid lichen]

Maybe you have to hold down the attack button, and releasing it stops the attack? This would also stop spam attacks.

[keen bough]

but they need to have lightning fast reflexes and even then there would definitely still be a chance of baby dying

[manic flint]

But an attack cancel will be abused so you can do a big attack, cancel it if you miss and attack, especially on things like stego

[manic flint]

That sounds extremely tedious

[limpid lichen]

It would have to reset the tail though, and that is basically what happens anyways.

[paper oriole]

That just adds a layer of inconvenience just to fix an insignificant problem

[limpid lichen]

Might not be insignificant when it’s your baby dying.

[paper oriole]

Attacks shouldnt be clunky to use just because some reckless people attack poorly with juvis around

[paper oriole]

I dont stand in nono spots so it doesnt happen to me

[manic flint]

Yea
If your baby gets in your way that's your babies fault (especially since they are all players)

[limpid lichen]

Have you ever accidentally murdered a juvi when trying to defend it?

[manic flint]

No cause the juvie got out of the way or I told it to hide in a bush while I defend it

[paper oriole]

I dont think ive been friendly fired once since like patch 2 and it was my fault

Like literally just be careful lmao

[manic flint]

The last time I friendly fired a baby was when the game came out and nobody knew what they were doing in Evrima

[limpid lichen]

@manic flint I find that hard to believe it’s never happened to you since it happens so commonly.

[paper oriole]

Not hard to believe, not everybody makes the same mistake a hundred times

[manic flint]

I literally was playing teno with a juvie last week and I protected it from a Utah pack without killing the baby

[paper oriole]

Some people arent careful and that’s on them

[limpid lichen]

There is evidence that a lot of this is caused by ping and such too.

[paper oriole]

Ok so they should fix the server lag then

[manic flint]

That's a server and optimization issue. Shouldn't have any bearing on stuff like this

[keen bough]

ok so thats just a performance issue, why turn friendly fire off?

lol everyone said the same thing

[manic flint]

Yea just optimize the game

[limber hull]

im pretty sure group members DO take less damage, but it's so astronomically minimal in terms of reduction that it essentially does not matter

[limpid lichen]

Not turn it off completely, just give juvis in your pack a small buff

[paper oriole]

Nah

They can give themselves a buff, in intelligence

[keen bough]

that shouldn't be the case, thats stupid, if someones your friend doesn't mean punching them shouldn't hurt

[limber hull]

Also just get your juvis to get out of your way of your big-ass death weapons lmao

Don't give them a "oh well since my dad hit me I guess it doesn't hurt" buff lmao

[manic flint]

Exactly lol
Don't put a juvie Rex under your mouth and expect it to live a bite

[limber hull]

Also stego's pea-brain ass is 100% the kind of animal to accidentally impale a child lmao

[limpid lichen]

You are missing the point of what I’m saying, it the attack mechanics that are just push-button-do-damage. It doesn’t account for holding back

[keen bough]

also irl I bet that happened with stegos I mean come on dude!

[paper oriole]

Stego is essentially swinging a big spiked flail and the momentum of something like that is hard to stop once its in motion

[limber hull]

get the fuck out of the way of death weapon

this is the takeaway

[keen bough]

guys!! we are repeating the same points over and over and over again. this conversation is pointless

[paper oriole]

Get good or be food

[limber hull]

lmao

[manic flint]

Lol

[limber hull]

i think the issue is even worse for carnivores, esepcially raptor

The amount of fucked up pounces that hit friendlies lmao

[keen bough]

really? never happened to me as a carnivore

[limber hull]

But the takeaway is more "actually paying attention"

[limber hull]

I have been accidentally pounced so many times

[keen bough]

lol

[limber hull]

It's really funny

[paper oriole]

gotta be picky on your pack mates, one bad apple ruins the bunch

[manic flint]

Yea especially since they are always in groups
But that's a skill issue

[limber hull]

Since the raptor always hops off and goes "HOLY SHIT SORRY"

[limpid lichen]

I’m off to game, good discussion everyone. Seen many good points about differing opinions.

[manic flint]

Peace

[keen bough]

ok mate, enjoy, later dude.

NEW DISCUSSION TOPIC

what do we talk about now?

suggestions anyone?

[paper oriole]

Um… magy?

[manic flint]

What's in the channel rn?

[paper oriole]

Some stego on a rock ig

Is that acceptable

[manic flint]

Stegos climbing rocks... Give herbis a good scent..

[paper oriole]

Should stego be on rock

[manic flint]

Should herbis be able to smell tracks and blood?

Imo yes

[keen bough]

no, aggro herbi's will hunt

[manic flint]

At least blood

[paper oriole]

Herbis should be able to smell tracks and blood in a growing radius while standing still, and should be able to smell plants and water on the move

[manic flint]

I like that

[manic flint]

That's the reason they can't sniff while moving lol

[keen bough]

its as fricking annoying as all godamn hell

[paper oriole]

Growing radius with a max distance like current plant scent, of course

[paper oriole]

If you get hunted hy something that stands in place for 15sec to smell prints its kinda on you

[manic flint]

And herbis aren't all that good at being agressive so I don't see that as a bad thing

[manic flint]

True

[keen bough]

tell that to u4 pachy

[paper oriole]

Plus it wouldnt reveal a whole ass path like the disgusting OP carni scent does

[manic flint]

Ram is slower than running away

[keen bough]

also fair

[paper oriole]

Just a radius around the herbi so they can see if an area is trafficked

Same with blood to sense danger better

[manic flint]

And also we aint in u4 anymore

[paper oriole]

Pachy “hunting” was almost exclusive to center too

[manic flint]

At least blood it makes no sense that they can smell bodies but not blood

[keen bough]

that is understandable

and I agree

[manic flint]

Also literally all land carnivores are faster than pachy

And the same 'if it can't escape it can fight' applies here

If a pachy is chasing a sucho it's gonna get murdered
If Galli is chasing Utah it's gonna get eaten

Etc

[fickle nexus]

anyone not able to look around?

[manic flint]

Wdym?

[fickle nexus]

I can't look around with my mouse i tried reloading btu still some issue lol

[keen bough]

oof man, uhh ask in isle discussion usually people there know about stuf

[fickle nexus]

okay i'll give it a shot ty

[keen bough]

or go to evrima trouble shooting

[tepid gate]

Sorry to bring this up again but I will posit here that the extant animals don't necessarily translate well to how dinosaurs like the ones in the game would interact. Speaking specifically about a Stegosaurus and Tenonto - they use large AoE attacks to hold the predators at bay and deal damage to them. An attack like that would be much more difficult to stop if going the wrong way than e.g. a gore from a bison or a buffalo. It also lacks the precision to allow for that.

I don't get into too many situations where I'm protecting juvies simply because I typically play solo and don't group up with people even if I'm playing a herbivore however when i was in a herd of Tenontos a like a week ago and our juvies got attacked by a Carno we have actually managed to defend them without hitting any of them(the juvies did a particularly good job getting out of Carno's way and not getting caught up in any of our attacks).

I think that we could perhaps have some mechanic that would allow for juvies to be less vulnerable to the attacks of the adults like for example being able to stand beneath their "parent" but in general friendly fire is a part of the game imo and it should stay that way.

Also - it has actually been addressed by the devs during update 1 - you deal less damage to targets that are grouped up with you than to people that aren't in your party.

which is also something I am vehemently against but it is what it is

[manic flint]

It must be miniscule cause I've never noticed it

[tepid gate]

because it has been lowered down to 10% after a large backlash from the community(including yours truly)

[manic flint]

What was it before?

[tepid gate]

I don't remember anymore but it was much higher

[manic flint]

I wasnt even in the discord in U1 lol

[tepid gate]

so much higher that it was worth it to just spam attack your opponent while hitting your friend because of the damage reduction

[manic flint]

Glad that was changed

[tepid gate]

I wouldn't be opposed to something that would allow us to stop our attacks perhaps

but just reducing the damage our packmates receive is a big no-no from me

[limber hull]

It’s so utterly minuscule it might not exist, I’ve tested

[tepid gate]

it's 10% exactly

[limber hull]

That seems right

[tepid gate]

The value was posted publicly

[manic flint]

Should be 0%

[tepid gate]

^

but oh well, better 10% than 30% or whatever it was meant to be before

[manic flint]

But I guess until group play is improved Utah's need all they can get

[tepid gate]

Utahs are the least of a problem here, they are only really at risk of hitting one another when they brainlessly use their pounce

I've never hit a Utah I'd be packing with with any attack

I did see some Utahs pounce each other while hunting my Tenonto though

and DAMN that was painful to watch, the best part was that the pouncing Utah just kept on going

Tbh maybe he did it intentionally

he just thought to himself "screw, Timmy, he's getting on my nerves, TIMMY COME HERE" and pounced him while they were fighting me

[manic flint]

Lmao

[tepid gate]

obviously both of them died cause the guillotine came swinging right after that

[limber hull]

lmao

[manic flint]

We need quick text options
Like "Low on stamina" "Low on health" "Fall back" etc.

[tepid gate]

agreed, those would be neat

[manic flint]

Cause not everyone uses discord and not everyone wants to be in a call with randos

[tepid gate]

or maybe even calls like that but I guess this could create a lot of confusion and it would be a tonne of additional work

[manic flint]

Yes
Just press enter plus a hotkey like numpad or smth (maybe customizable?)

[tight oxide]

you do reduced dmg to friends for real?

[tepid gate]

yes

unless I've missed some patch notes that would say it was removed - which I haven't

[tight oxide]

you have no idea how many utah pack mates i had that spammed pounce like they cant see...

[tepid gate]

I can imagine

[tight oxide]

like they spam it to the point they start pouncing me by mistake

[tepid gate]

matter of fact I need to grow myself a Utah, I haven't played it this update yet

[tight oxide]

but its mostly the juvies who do this

[tight oxide]

so far utah is still fun to play

[tepid gate]

Let me see how hunting a boar with one actually goes

[tight oxide]

i mean something to help show what animal is scarred instead of wounded would help and making blood get darker as it lowers would help utah a lot

[manic flint]

Don't do it unless your nearly full adult

[tight oxide]

it takes almost full pin to kill boar as utah...

[manic flint]

Worst mistake of my life

[tepid gate]

nah, I want to try it as a youngster

[tight oxide]

i killed a boar as a 50% utah just fine tbh

i had to rely on the ai being dumb and bleed

doesnt help how boar becomes a beyblade when you pounce it

[mint girder]

Or just type it lol

[tight oxide]

thats what i suggested

[manic flint]

That's slow and annoying to do in the heat of battle

[tight oxide]

i wonder how it did...

[mint girder]

Typing skill issue

[tight oxide]

a wheel that lets you pick what to say really quick?

[manic flint]

True but you can't type while running

[tight oxide]

like think of the help wheel that fornite has lmao

[mint girder]

If anything it’ll take longer to select that though

[limber hull]

how

[manic flint]

Or in very short time frames

[mint girder]

https://tenor.com/view/ninja-fortnite-denial-of-god-denial-take-the-l-gif-23869101

[manic flint]

Just clicking is faster than typing

[mint girder]

Clicking what exactly

[paper oriole]

If you can keybind those small messages like you can keybind the pet whistles in ark or pawn commands in dragons dogma it could be convenient

[manic flint]

Yea

[tight oxide]

pls

[manic flint]

The wheel thing sonic was talking about

[mint girder]

Would ruin immersion

[manic flint]

Yes the whistle hotkeys are hella useful and would be great in this

[tight oxide]

someone acknowledged my idea :D

[tight oxide]

but would help greatly with packing

[mint girder]

And it’s really easy to just type it or use call

[tight oxide]

and is still optional

[mint girder]

Still cringe

[tight oxide]

how can it ruin immersion if its a optional thing lmao

you can still do the normal way of not saying oh someone is on me or need stam

[manic flint]

I mean if you dont want to use the hotkey for "low on stam" just type it
It's completely optional and doesn't ruin immersion

[mint girder]

Takes 2 seconds to type

And in what way would that be effective to use in any combat

Why would the opposite party really care

[manic flint]

Mainly playing Utah if you need to sub out for pounces or something

And it's just quicker
If you don't want to interact with it you don't have to

[mint girder]

Really just type bro

[manic flint]

Nah

[mint girder]

Hop off the carno and run a few feet

Hell target the other guy and u can type

[paper oriole]

How could this ruin immersion? Bind buttons for “low on stamina” “low on health” “i am fractured” “i am about to attack” or what ever, it doesnt even take up HUD space

[manic flint]

I would rather keep running than stop and type
It's a QoL feature bruh

[mint girder]

You’d need a lot more buttons than that

[manic flint]

Why are you so against a QoL feature

[paper oriole]

No? There are so many unused buttons in the isle keybinds

[mint girder]

It seems redundant

[mint girder]

Not what I meant

[manic flint]

Not for slow typers
And you can just disable the keybind if you want to

[mint girder]

How slow can one type

Just how slow

[manic flint]

Very

[mint girder]

Low on stam

2 seconds

[paper oriole]

If you wouldn’t want to use it then you could just choose not to. But this would help groups coordinate in fast paced combat without using an outside an outside platform like discord. Make them make more noise, make the hame sound more alive

[manic flint]

Index finger typing

[mint girder]

Redundant addition

Coordinate by typing

[manic flint]

That's clunky

[paper oriole]

You have provided no arguments supporting this stance

[mint girder]

Not if you can type more than 1 word per minute

[tight oxide]

even 4 basic ones

[manic flint]

Do you have an actual argument or?

[mint girder]

What would the 4 be

[manic flint]

Just disagree

[tight oxide]

why do you want there to not be instant responses?

you didnt really give a good reason yet

[mint girder]

Because it’s just in general something I think nobody would use at all

[tight oxide]

you just said apparently its better to type

[mint girder]

And it would take longer to select the one you want

[tight oxide]

then make it mapped keybinds lmao

[mint girder]

It comes down to just being a crappy idea

[manic flint]

Lmao no just push one button

[tight oxide]

like press 5 or 6 to say i need stam

[mint girder]

Or type it

[tight oxide]

which is worst

[mint girder]

I need stam

Need stam

Stam

[manic flint]

Bro just cause you don't want to use it doesn't mean it's redundant lmao