general-feedback-discussion

[mint girder]

In real life a juvi Utah is probably getting clapped

Fresh juvi Utah is literally so small

[paper oriole]

you think visual size means everything thats why you keep saying ptera is bigger

[limber hull]

hey man, i get all three nutrients if i kill the ptera as a baby utah, they get no nutrients, im the one who wins out in this situation if i win

[mint girder]

It weighs more literally

[pulsar lantern]

40 minute grow vs insta spawn Juvi, ffs can you people not comprehend gameplay > realism

[mint girder]

It’s just larger

[paper oriole]

i am not smaller than a blanket just becaus it looks bigger than me when laid out

[mint girder]

It’s realism anyway

[paper oriole]

ptera is 75% skin 25% bone

[mint girder]

A ptera is heavier than juvi Utah though

[limber hull]

Very true, gameplay > realism. Ptera still shouldn't kill juvis for gameplay either tho lmao

[paper oriole]

no lmao

[limber hull]

Just fucking play quetz

[mint girder]

Yes you just said Utah was half its weight

[paper oriole]

maybe at the FRESHEST literally minutes spawned in it is

[limber hull]

Once quetz is out

[frozen heron]

With the nesting update ptera can prey on hatchlings

[pulsar lantern]

Why does ptera even exist then

[mint girder]

Yes that’s literally what I said

[paper oriole]

but most juvi utahs you see ae gonna be heavier

[mint girder]

I’m not referring to them

[paper oriole]

pt can already kill them if it isnt stupid and reckless af

[mint girder]

It shouldn’t be a challenge

[pulsar lantern]

You’re so obsessed with every Dino having its own one trick pony “niche” to play but literally nobody will care if what it does is useless

[limber hull]

To chill out and eat fish, watch the world do its thing? It's relaxing and fun to watch the little animals fight below while you chill out with a fish on a large rock and watch the chaos unfold

[paper oriole]

well too bad, ptera isnt supposed to be hunting juv utahs, enjoy the challenge of doing something you arent supposed to

[mint girder]

Juvi Utah isn’t even the size of its hip

[paper oriole]

look how bony that mf is lul

[mint girder]

Granted I’m not sure how big in game is

[paper oriole]

literal skeleton

[mint girder]

This is the largest specimen

[mint girder]

Still larger

[limber hull]

Why do people need CARNIVORE KILL KILL VIOLENT CANT KILL CANT PLAY KILL KILL ME HUNT ME KILL PISCIVORE MORE LIKE SUGGESTION ME KILL PREY KILL

[mint girder]

Juvi Utah gets pelicaned

[paper oriole]

i can beat the shit out of a person much larger than me if they ar ein a skeletal state too

[mint girder]

Killing a baby sounds like a bloodbath yeah

[pulsar lantern]

Ok I play Quetz and do the exact same thing. “Chill experience” is such a bad excuse, at least justify something’s place in the survival game with actual purpose

[limber hull]

quetz is a hunter. it can't subsist on the same shit ptera can

[paper oriole]

if a pt tried to pelican a juv utah it would get its throat shredded like cheese in a grater

and its face also

[mint girder]

e

Bunny weighs almost the same oh no looks like stork dies

It’s a fucking stork

[paper oriole]

oh look, an animal built quite different from ptera eating an animal with minimal defensive tools

[frozen heron]

Bunny doesnt have razor sharp claws on its hands and feet

[pulsar lantern]

Oh no it can’t click on water for fish! What ever will I do eats ai animals and juvies

[mint girder]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-christian-bale-handsome-gif-13379950

[paper oriole]

i see the problem now. you want to treat ptera like a bird, which it is not

it is not built like a bird

[limber hull]

i, shockingly enough, like a carnivore that doesn't have to kill. Very interesting to go from legacy, where every animal HAD to be able to kill another animal, to a game where you have an animal with amazing mobility with flight, can subsist on fish and other passive AI and scavenge the corpses of others by using enhanced visibility of the world around it. Having it kill shit defeats the point imho. Just accept the animal can kill things, it's just not very good at it lmao.

[pulsar lantern]

It’s like trying to justify homacephales existence with something like “it can eat beetle grubs that pachy can’t by clicking on trees”

[mint girder]

I mean I’ve seen one kill a cat

[paper oriole]

birds have more killing tools and better legs than a ptera

[mint girder]

Ptera does have to kill to be able to kill

It can still just eat fish

[limber hull]

what

"Ptera does have to kill to be able to kill"

what

[mint girder]

Doesn’t

[limber hull]

thats true

[mint girder]

You can always just decide to eat a fish

[limber hull]

in fact, you can go out and try to kill things as ptera right now!

nothing is stopping you

[mint girder]

Yeah but it’s not the way a prefer

I don’t wanna dive bomb something into oblivion

[pulsar lantern]

Everything you just said applies to quetzal, but quetzal does it better

[paper oriole]

he wants it to be easy to sport kill juvie terrestrial predators as a piscivore/scavenger

[limber hull]

what IS the way you prefer, I just really feel that there's a point to be made here

[mint girder]

Walking up to it and making it die

[limber hull]

ladies and gentlemen

the quetz

[mint girder]

I want it to run away rather than coming up to fight

[paper oriole]

go play beasts of bermuda if you want your outrageous bird of prey pterosaur

[mint girder]

Oh no a pterosaur using its legs 😱

[mint girder]

Beasts of Bermuda can pick up sauropods lol

[pulsar lantern]

Lmao immediately brings up bob Rex killing pteras

[tepid river]

This discussion seems to be getting overly negative here

[limber hull]

boy god damn, imagine a FLYING ANIMAL that is also adept on GROUND that has a tendency to hunt juveniles? No such animal could've ever existed

oh wait that's just quetz

[pulsar lantern]

Because someone wants ptera to kill Juvi utah

[mint girder]

Boy do I know it

[mint girder]

A flying animal with legs

[paper oriole]

why cant people just pick appropriate animals if they want to pvp

[limber hull]

blunt, with all due respect, it is quetz you are describing

[pulsar lantern]

Animals are allowed to do the same thing with varying effectiveness

[mint girder]

You seem disilluded with the convo

[frozen heron]

If you want a juvie killer pick utah

[limber hull]

yes, quetz does that. Quetz was an adept hunter on land and in sky, the animal you want is planned

[mint girder]

Ptera can do quetz things

[paper oriole]

you want to play ptera for something it isnt designed to do

[mint girder]

Yeah and it’s fun

[limber hull]

yes, it can, it can do that right now, it's just SHOCKINGLY less effective

[pulsar lantern]

Or are you gonna tell me deino can’t fish because that’s Barys job next (please don’t)

[mint girder]

It could do that in real life

[mint girder]

Not on the ground

[limber hull]

yes you can?

i've done it before lmao

[mint girder]

Gets clapped by bb

I want them to run in fear

[last lily]

Sounds like a skill issue if you fail to do that as a Ptera.. Ptera doesn't have to be a physical combatant , it's already the single best dinosaur for survival in general, to the point where it becomes boring and only dies if you intentionally do something to get yourself killed. Just fly and peck at them, that's all you have to do. Or wait till Quetz mixes things up and has a similar but different playstyle.

[mint girder]

Pure sport

[mint girder]

Not enough hp

[tepid river]

Regardless of if you guys agree or disagree, there can be a discussion about ptera without talking down to one another or thrashing on other games.

[limber hull]

of a flying paper sheet with a beak attached, okay

[paper oriole]

i mean, at least he's being honest with his bad intentions ig

[mint girder]

I want to kill them for the sake of watching them die

[mint girder]

A flying sheet of paper 2x heavier than the target yes

[limber hull]

so... you want ptera to be buffed to be frustrating and do something it wasn't even designed to do?

[pulsar lantern]

Ptera killing Juvi Utah is a thought crime, how could anyone conceive of this

[mint girder]

I just want it back to the way it wuz or maybe a little more

[last lily]

You don't need that HP if you fly . . .It's not an animal you're supposed to be tanking hits with either. Ptera is fine, it just needs more things to mix up its gameplay without having to make it something it really isn't.. Such as ways to continue to annoy the rest of the roster and make their day insufferable.

[limber hull]

its like scout in TF2 getting a universal health buff because it just wasn't good enough at face-tanking a heavy

[mint girder]

It could literally do that

[last lily]

I could do with Ptera not two shotting eachother though because it is kind of silly.

[mint girder]

It shouldn’t be a challenge to kill a baby utah

[paper oriole]

guys i think that we should give carnotaurus a fishing ability because sometimes i just feel like fishing even though i picked an animal that doesnt even eat fish

[mint girder]

Yes that very much too

[mint girder]

I don’t see how a carno could ever catch a fish

That’s not like what I’m saying at all

[limber hull]

yes, and it can still do that, it's just fucking hard and very risky. you have what you want already, you just want it to be better for no real reason

[mint girder]

Shouldn’t be

[limber hull]

hunt hatchlings or some shit

[pulsar lantern]

He doesn’t know that carnos were eating fish that got stuck in shallow water in update 3

[mint girder]

POV juvi Utah

[last lily]

A hatchling Utah , maybe. Talking individuals in the 2-15 kg range. Utah at 20 kg is already able to harm a Ptera .(ei Nesting.. IF they make hatchlings smaller... which I hope they do because a 106 kg baby coming out of an egg is silly)

[paper oriole]

and i dont see how this toothpick covered in skin could fight a juvenile predator designed to latch on to and shred animals above its weight class, when the freshest juv is already half of PT's weight and a more compact build

[limber hull]

every matchup in this game is decided by weight there is no exception to this rule

[mint girder]

Yeah but just logging in it’s still half the size or less. Not very much challenge presented

[pulsar lantern]

Weight power levels 🤢

[mint girder]

In game yeah

[limber hull]

several 8000kg animals getting shredded by a 6000kg animal, that just doesn't happen and there's no example of it ever happening in the Isle

[last lily]

I miss that show.. even if it was cheesy as hell.

[paper oriole]

dear god

[last lily]

The Villain was lame

[mint girder]

For sure

[limber hull]

well there go those i guess lmao

[mint girder]

The story was odd too

[last lily]

I want to know where the hell you can even watch it these days...

[limber hull]

???

[mint girder]

YouTube

Every episode is there for free

[limber hull]

why are you posting gifs then they get deleted

[mint girder]

Yes bread

[mint girder]

What gifs

[limber hull]

also weight is really not a deciding factor in who wins fights lmao

[last lily]

Dino Squad... show from like.........mid to late 2000's?? Anyway. Ptera shouldn't be made into a juvi killer specialist. It can do it, and is capable of it, but doesn't mean you have to do it, or be rewarded for it.

[limber hull]

exactly

[last lily]

Unless it's Deino... and the spam bite fest that is Deino v Deino

[mint girder]

Didn’t you just say it was 🐡

[limber hull]

god damn, i couldn't have possibly been making a crack at how stego can melt like 3 deinos in a single fight, despite being 2 tons lighter

[mint girder]

Stego is a good animal yes

Deino is better though

So so much better

One shot even 👁‍🗨

[limber hull]

utah hunting literally most of its prey

[mint girder]

Bat weighs less than a person

Doink

[limber hull]

what?

[mint girder]

No more awake

Possible death

[pulsar lantern]

Stego kills deino because the game treats two spikes on a tail as light sabers while deino has to bite as hard as a bulldog at the same time

[mint girder]

Yeah but only when there’s a bunch of them

Petition for deino fracture

[pulsar lantern]

It’s actually funny how selective the balancing gets when it comes to “realism”

[mint girder]

^

[last lily]

Ptera's main job is: be annoying, eat fish, fly around, irritate the cast, scavenge, and be the foundation for all flight mechanics... and hopefully a disgusting creature when humans come out, by being able to eat trash and what not. (also could be made into a nest nightmare when that comes out)
Quetz: killing smaller animals, juveniles and hatchlings and scavenging, while being unable to fish effectively and having a harsher growth(depends on how long they want to make Quetz growth.. can easily make it... frustrating if they make it anything over an hour and 50 minutes..but then again flight is a SUPER powerful survival tool).

2 hours for FG Quetz would be awful

[mint girder]

Eats fish and kills animals smaller than itself because why not

Such a graceful bird will never eat filth

[last lily]

You can do it.. But doesn't mean you have to ,or be directly rewarded for it. It's a thing you can do, but the game won't shake your hand for it..

[mint girder]

That looks like a bird

[barren crater]

I'm confused? Ptera can kill animals smaller than itself?

[paper oriole]

birds are reptiles but ptera is not a bird

[mint girder]

Not too well

[barren crater]

? What do you mean not too well? What do you want it to do?

[mint girder]

It is because I said it is 🥸

[barren crater]

It does 15n damage, its going to kill things smaller than it

[mint girder]

Bully

[mint girder]

Yeah but not enough hp to be a safe option

[barren crater]

At 15n damage, its rolling everything smaller than it

[mint girder]

Still not very safe

[last lily]

It doesn't have to be a safe option, rip. You can still do it decently enough(most utah players at juveniles kinda ......weird I guess too)

[paper oriole]

why does ptera need to be safe while sport killing?

[mint girder]

Why not 👁‍🗨

[barren crater]

Of course its not safe, these are animals around your size lmao

[mint girder]

For fun

[mint girder]

I’m reffering to 1v1 juvi

[paper oriole]

just accept that it is a challenge because its a deviation from your intended niche

[mint girder]

It doesn’t need to be

[paper oriole]

it doesnt need to not be

[barren crater]

It can 1 v 1 and it wins

[mint girder]

Even if it’s outside the niche it can still accomplish

[mint girder]

But the idea that it can lose upsets me

[paper oriole]

it can accomplish killing juvis, so it is good enough

you just want to effortlessly steamroll juvis for fun on an animal that is designed to eat fish and dead bodies

[valid elk]

I love the image of Beipi t-posing

[last lily]

It doesn't have to be a cakewalk either though.... . It's really just an extra thing you can do on the side, if you're bored as Ptera, which you inevitably will be because this animal cannot be killed otherwise.

[mint girder]

You’re forgetting it can run away

Ptera isn’t a land runner really any juvi zooms away

[paper oriole]

and ptera can avoid any danger entirely

so what is the point

[mint girder]

Yes I know

[mint girder]

That the fight should be completely out of favor

Unfair even

[paper oriole]

what useful reason for this

[barren crater]

Anyways, ptera isn't a fighter. It can and should only be able to hunt things smaller than itself.

[mint girder]

Fun

[mint girder]

Yes

[paper oriole]

if you find killing juvis fun, play something that is designed to pvp

[barren crater]

Well that's what it does now lmao

[mint girder]

Through five bombing

You can still kill just not as effectively

[last lily]

I don't see why it would be.. This is Pteranodon. Not Quetz. It's only a side thing, a side hussle. You can do it, and maybe have some thrilling combat with dino children.

[mint girder]

Such as

[paper oriole]

skill issue

[mint girder]

Quetz is significantly more specialized and dangerous

[mint girder]

Perhaps

[last lily]

Like a hobby, you don't get paid for it, but you do it anyway.

[mint girder]

So because I don’t like stun lock makes me what

[mint girder]

Yes exactly

[paper oriole]

what

[pulsar lantern]

Stego stego stego

[mint girder]

Right?

[last lily]

Pteranodon: main job, fishing, annoying people, spamming 1 call, raiding trash cans, exploring and chilling
Hobby: fighting young dinosaurs on occasion with no real reward.. Able to be done but not specialty or particularly good at it.(Wouldn't it be more rewarding to peck the hell out of them anyway with some semblance of a challenge??)

[mint girder]

Yes

I’m saying that I don’t see what you didn’t like about my carno pointing

I never asked for a carno buff as far as I am aware

I only recall asking to buff juvi carno speed

Nothing else bread

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-patrick-bateman-sweating-sweat-sweaty-gif-21722513

[last lily]

I don't think I'd mind that per say....But I'd also be reluctant to do it at the same time because there's already carno overpopulation and it's already one of the best Juvi's as is.. Maybe when there's more to the roster.

[mint girder]

Well yeah it’s not relevant now

[barren crater]

Juvi carno does not deserve a speed buff lol

[paper oriole]

juv carnos deserve to spawn in with two proken knees atm

[pulsar lantern]

This game is gonna have such awful powercreep I can’t blame the carno players for playing it while they still can

[mint girder]

We need cera the world needs him

[barren crater]

?

[mint girder]

Less people would play carno

[paper oriole]

cera isnt going to fix megapacks

[mint girder]

If cera is fun then yes it will

Game + fun = play

[last lily]

I mean.... Cera wouldn't directly change how Carno rules all and everything... But it'd diversify the number of players playing Carno.. Unless it just gets ambandoned entirely which would be sad.

[mint girder]

Less carno players because people will love cera so much

But it depends if cera sucks or not

[last lily]

Anything to make Magy suffer.

[paper oriole]

youll just end up with a few different scenarios by simply adding cera

1. cerato and carno mix megapacks
2. cerato isnt good enough, people stop playing it after checking it out
3. cerato is good as fuck and now we just have 90% cerato megapacks
4. we have both cerato and carno megapacks eating eachother and everything else

[mint girder]

Who says it has to be bad

[mint girder]

Cerato mega packs > carno mega packs

I don’t think mega packing would help cera

[barren crater]

Cera won't be bad, but if you want to hunt a lot of things- carno is a better option

[paper oriole]

that was number 1 lol

[last lily]

In theory it should be easier to escape a Cerato megapack....in theory... Though Carno still has no predators aside from itself,..and Deino rarely. Allo could mix things up....But Allogeddon 3. Sucho is really the only one who can change things up to a notable extent.

[mint girder]

Cera v teno what’s the outcome

[mint girder]

Pls not allo

[paper oriole]

that depends on the balance between ceras speed and stamina because the tracking system is busted

[mint girder]

Allo added = extinction

[paper oriole]

cerato could run people across the map like legacy giga with this system if it has the mobility for it

[barren crater]

Teno slaughters it.

[last lily]

Yeah... Allo could help with the Stego problem depending on what they do.... But simultaneously probably cause a Apocalypse of Allo's.

[mint girder]

2 cera

Unless

[last lily]

Kill em while they're young. No survivors allowed. Absolute and complete prejudice.

[barren crater]

There is no stego problem anymore. They're a rarity now

[paper oriole]

if they just throw allo in then all the current carno mains are gonna flock to allo

[mint girder]

And Utah’s can’t attack allo

[last lily]

Do not suffer to let Maggy reach even sub adulthood.

[barren crater]

I guess they could do it

[mint girder]

Odds?

[barren crater]

1.1T cera vs 1.6T teno idk

[mint girder]

Yeah and die

[barren crater]

They have an slight advantage? Teno is still a lot larger

You would need multiple utahs

[mint girder]

Doubt it

If allo doesn’t one shot then maybe

[last lily]

Utah's attacking Allo sounds even riskier than a Carno.. higher damage, more health but less speed...but Allo ain't exactly slow either..

You'd probably get a lot of Carnos and Allo's butting heads though.

[barren crater]

Also there are a lot of ways to counter utahs that I wouldn't even bother worrying about utah lmao

[mint girder]

Allo v carno odds?

[barren crater]

Allo sweep

Ain't even close

0% chance for a carno to win

[mint girder]

I mean what if they’re the same size

Irl carno could I guess

[last lily]

Allo favored.. Heavier, longer grow, larger jaws(yes I know Carno does have a higher biteforce, but looking at the side of their heads, and teeth... it's clear who does more). Carno can TRY...but Allo in theory will wear out the Carno if it does if they trade hits. Also grapple(however it works).. Allo is also... like just INSIDE the bubble to be stunned(but not knocked over obviously)

[mint girder]

Carno could get bigger than an allo

[barren crater]

No it couldn't lmao

[last lily]

1.8 Carno vs a 1.8 Allo sounds like Carno is fighting a.....sub adult????

[mint girder]

Yes it could

Not regularly tho

[last lily]

The largest Carno estimates put it at like 2.2 tons.. Largest Allo's could potentially go 2.6 or above. (We also have only one really well preserved Carnotaurus fossil though, that is of a mature specimen).

[barren crater]

Also it depends how allo grapple is. Will it be like utah pin where if something is just a bit smaller, then gg?

[mint girder]

Nah nah like a lion thing

Hold onto stuff ur size and larger

Anything under that shouldn’t really be considered a grapple

Sure

“An old bird”

[last lily]

4.2 Sucho could split up both the large carnivore roster, and aid in killing Deino';s before they get big..and able to simultaneously beat up Carno's and Utahs ... One issue: Stego still has no natural predator.

[mint girder]

old burd

[last lily]

The man is pretty old. Wonder what he uses for his skin care.

[mint girder]

I’m saying how a grapple would work

By definition that’s what it is

Grabby

[barren crater]

so what is it?

[mint girder]

A hug

[last lily]

Of death

[tight oxide]

of friendship :D

[tepid river]

the grapple comparison to lions is pretty apt I feel though, given lions can tug down wildebeest that are so much larger and heavier than them

carno vs allo i feel would likely come down to how easy it is for an allo to grab onto a carno though with how fast carno moves. playing deino we can see that it can be very hard to hit a moving target with a lunge, especially if you let go thinking it wasnt going to connect but actually does

[tepid gate]

Carno vs Allo would come down to whether Carno allows Allo to gapclose onto it, if Allo catches the Carno then Carno should be dead really although there's a decent chance that Allo could just endurance hunt Carno

either way fighting an Allo should be a one way ticket to afterlife for Carno

[barren crater]

Allo wouldn't even need to grapple lol. It could even stand in place and lmb spam its way to killing the carno

Carnos charge doesn't even work, as it can stun up to 2700kg

[limber hull]

who was saying that allo can one-tap a utah, what

[tight oxide]

wait what

[barren crater]

Allo 1 shotting utahs lol. it should 2 shot though

[tight oxide]

allo at same time had weaker bite right?

or was this disproven

[barren crater]

average bite if anything

[tight oxide]

cus if it wasnt then no one shotting

[barren crater]

But realistically, it would probably '1 shot' a utah

[manic flint]

Headshot maybe

[tight oxide]

says like 10 times a lions bite

[barren crater]

Allo would need a 300n bite for that

[manic flint]

Does seem a bit high

[barren crater]

Which would be too high for it

[manic flint]

Maybe a lot high

[tight oxide]

250n allo bite?

[barren crater]

250n allo, 300n Alberto imo.

[tight oxide]

alberto would have hp on its size anyways

[barren crater]

yeah

[tight oxide]

possibly speed

[manic flint]

300 is like
Idk actually, sounds too weak to be a sucho claw attack or something (depending on the speed of the claw attack)

[tight oxide]

300n seems fine to be a claw attack for sucho lmao

[barren crater]

If sucho has a claw attack, you could make it constantly swipe or something if need be- and give it a low damage, high dps kinda thing

[manic flint]

Isn't that the same strength as teno kick

[tight oxide]

cant be doing like 400 per swipe...

[barren crater]

So one swipe isn't a lot, but multiple could be

[tight oxide]

but this is a claw swipe...

and prob more spammable

[barren crater]

Or you could give it a slow, high damage dealing swipe

[manic flint]

Sucho claws are chonky tho
And sucho is 3 times larger

[tight oxide]

yea but again if claw swipe are gonna be teno levels of spam...

[barren crater]

No way should alberto be faster than allo even if irl it was (it was)

[manic flint]

All depends on speed ngl

[tight oxide]

dont want alberto and allo dynamic to be utah and carno all over again tbh

[tight oxide]

sucho claw swipe prob could be a heavy dealing bleed attack with ok dmg maybe

bite being the stronger dmg source

[manic flint]

Nah sucho claw should do massive damage

Spinosaurid bites should be weak as shit

[barren crater]

Knowing how this game goes, alberto will just be stronger so allo should run. If you can kill them, you'll attempt it (how the current game is lol)

[manic flint]

Sucho bite should to similar to carnos ngl

[tight oxide]

I mean sucho looks like its gonna be like a bear

[barren zephyr]

uuuh what stupid matchup aren you talking about now

[tight oxide]

just more aquatic life

[manic flint]

Spinosaurid Jaws are pretty weak

Don't make it so a lot of damage...

[limber hull]

Spinosaurid have bad bite good claw kthx

[barren zephyr]

sucho versus alberto?

[barren crater]

Nah allo vs alberto. They were just talking about sucho damage

[tight oxide]

our spino aka godzilla looks like anything it does will hit hard tbh

[limber hull]

sucho win

[barren zephyr]

well yeah I agree

[limber hull]

sucho is fucking massive compared to alberto

[tight oxide]

size comparison?

[barren zephyr]

as a general rule of thumb, in a fight the larger animal has a general advantage due to being larger

[tight oxide]

but normal balancing is if you cant run then you should be able to fight back well

[tight oxide]

alberto will be able to run from sucho so no worries ig

[barren crater]

Yeah sucho is just a water boi with below average hunting abilities

[tight oxide]

it would just be a more aquatic bear

thats what i want at least

[manic flint]

It would murder anything smaller than it if they approach a river
And wade away if something is a threat to it

Pretty simple gameplan

[tight oxide]

so a bear

just more water based

[manic flint]

Yea

I was agreeing with you

[odd sedge]

I am late to the discussion, time zones and all, but I swear if anyone suggests foot attacks or picking up juvies for Ptera again, I'm going to lose it.

Ptera ain't picking anything up with these flip flops for feet, those are not eagle claws

[barren zephyr]

i guess?

[tight oxide]

i think every ptera main argument is that since juvie utah can pounce ptera and ptera can still fly then ptera should be able to lift said utah

[barren zephyr]

and a fair point is that unlike irl you cant knock over animals (or rather its only a select few abilities which can do that)

[tight oxide]

irl rex wouldnt even have to bite smaller dinosaurs to kill them really

also am i the only one scared of trample turning 90% of the smaller dinosaurs fodder?

[odd sedge]

It's not a weight issue, I bet Ptera could lift and carry baby Hypsies.
But the issue is that it cannot grab anything with It's feet.
They are meat noodles with little toes at the end

[barren zephyr]

it probably wont be an issue unless the hitboxes are fucked up entirely

actually why cant this game not have fucked up hitboxes?

[tight oxide]

either way ptera weight so low that i dont think anything should have it on its diet lmao

arent ptera suppose to mostly be at coast too?

cus ptera for utah is kinda weird tbh

[barren zephyr]

I wouldnt say ptera should be able to fly with a utah on its back

[dense raft]

Juvi Teno: Oh no, a Carno, mommy save me- proceeds to get trampled to death by said mother

[tight oxide]

having to kill a bird that can fly almost 24/7

[odd sedge]

Pretty much, crabs and turtles are basically in the same area

[tight oxide]

it shouldnt at all

[barren zephyr]

more than anything it would likely severely disorient its flight path and cause it to crash

(taking out the ptera alongside the utah)

[tight oxide]

can we replace utah ptera diet to a goat or chicken again?

something that you can actually get...

[barren zephyr]

the whole "ptera diet" is merely based on some concept art showing Utah leaping for a ptera

its not a common thing to happen and realistically it would just be random opportunistic predation rather than a core part of the animal's diet

much in the same sense as hornbills occasionally prey on bats, although otherwise they predominantly feed on fruit

[tight oxide]

but rn utah cant exactly leap for ptera unless you are lucky that the ptera is dumb

[barren zephyr]

yeah

[tight oxide]

a good ptera could just keep spamming the bite and fly away thing

[barren zephyr]

its just a dumb luck opportunity that the utah decides to snatch

otherwise it doesn't have much dietary relevancy

[tight oxide]

so why dont they devs see that its pretty rare for utah to hunt ptera?

[barren zephyr]

misinterpretation

[tight oxide]

like i manage to get more deino than ptera as utah

imo deino is made to eat ptera more

thanks to vertical lunge

[barren zephyr]

The thing is that Im pretty sure there is a lack of dev coordination.

but like imo ptera shouldnt be removed from the diet, but its just not a main food source

[tight oxide]

with how diets are handled though

they just are bad

like as the devs said

carnivore diets wont be good without gore update

[barren zephyr]

there should be "favourable" food sources, as well as "lesser" food sources within the diets

[tight oxide]

i have idea for diets maybe...

what if we bring back the whole you can eat anything but your own kind if you are utah

[barren zephyr]

in the case of carnivores lesser food sources would be other carnivores. They generally provide less food than herbivore carcasses as they are less nutrient dense (basing this off of the ten percent rule).

[tight oxide]

but hear me out...

make it so instead of having to eat 3 different things...

you just have to make sure your diet bar are mostly high

like lemme try to be more clear if im not

the higher your nutrient bar is, the higher the diet buffs you get

[barren zephyr]

having it as a scaleable factor would be better than as something passive

[tight oxide]

and with this they should make nutrients fill slower than your normal belly

so you know... cant just eat some dryo as utah and boom insta buffs

[tight oxide]

they should also drain slower to compensate too

[barren zephyr]

yeah, although I wouldnt say awfully slower

[tight oxide]

so longer to fill the nutrients

but slower drainage

also it might not make diets feel so forceful

you could just play the game normally and if you work sorta hard to stay filled alot

you can get the buffs

also i think this makes more sense than how it is now...

[tight oxide]

one more idea on this...

scalable factor diets but if you eat your favorable diet foods you get a bigger nutrient boost

and if you eat something besides that you fill up nutrients slower

ima just make this into a simple suggestion to see if anyone wants to critique this

Make diets use a more scalable factor and merge into one bar instead of the whole eat 3 different foods
To further elaborate, the old "eat anything you want and be fine" should be brought back but with scalable diet factors this can change it up to where the lower your diet bar, the weaker the buff you get (0% = no buffs, possibly negatives)

To help make it so there's still a reason to hunt something you prefer It could be made where **if you eat your preferred food you will have your nutrient bar be filled faster meaning more buffs compared to someone who ate something non preferred foods leading to buffs that wont be as good as yours and maybe not even close **

To compensate for these changes-
Diet bar should drain slower than your hunger
How fast it fills up depends on if you're eating preferred or non preferred food

May also help diets not feel forced but instead fun

[empty epoch]

[tight oxide]

gib feedback

[empty epoch]

should put into #general-feedback

[tight oxide]

not yet

[empty epoch]

fine

[tight oxide]

wanna see if any big downsides

[empty epoch]

sure will.
@tepid gate

https://tenor.com/view/donotwant-mike-breakingbad-gif-4668587

I need you to look at this please

[manic flint]

I like this more than what we have now tbh

[tight oxide]

uhhh

[tepid gate]

taking a look at it right now

[empty epoch]

thank you

[empty epoch]

Aken is Mike from Breaking Bad

[tepid gate]

sounds much better than what we have now imo

that's the good news

[tight oxide]

downsides?

[tepid gate]

the bad news - this isn't going to get implemented I'm afraid

[tight oxide]

indeed it wont

[tepid gate]

it would require too big of a rework

[tight oxide]

but 90% of things we suggest wont

[tepid gate]

nah, it's not just that

the issue is that this requires too big of a change

[tight oxide]

pretty sure a oxygen rework i saw before update 3 was the ones devs used though

[tepid gate]

the devs won't go for it I'm afraid because you're fundamentally reworking how the whole mechanic works, they'd have to change the whole 3 nutrients thing into a diet-bar(which we kind of have in the game but not really)

[empty epoch]

too big to change

[tight oxide]

maybe could be seen for update 9?

i know...

ima suggest anyways cus why not

[empty epoch]

if they wanted QoL Update to be worth the while, looking into these things could work.
But y'know, the devs

[tepid gate]

Try it

[tight oxide]

after 4 hours

[tepid gate]

^

[manic flint]

^

[tepid gate]

I doubt they're going to roll with it but conceptually that's a much more solid system than what we have atm

[empty epoch]

yes

[tight oxide]

^

[manic flint]

Unfortunate but true

[tight oxide]

new trend? to keep up arrowing that comment?

[tight oxide]

so no downsides so far...

[empty epoch]

yes

[tepid gate]

btw show it to some QAs and see their opinion

get Nova and Hypernova perhaps and see what they say

[empty epoch]

Good idea

[tight oxide]

how do i summon mr rex?

[empty epoch]

I need contrasting QA person.
@limber hull I call upon you, friend

[tight oxide]

how do i summon any qa for that matter

[tepid gate]

You just tag them

[tight oxide]

:0 we can ping em?!

[manic flint]

@ them I assume

[tepid gate]

yea, they aint no devs

[manic flint]

They ain't devs

[empty epoch]

well not spam ping them.
But I know Wave loves a good feedback chat

[tepid gate]

you aren't gonna get banned for tagging them

[tight oxide]

what happens if i ping them all?

[manic flint]

Definitely

[tight oxide]

like ping the role

[tepid gate]

Well... some of them are going to be unhappy for sure

[tight oxide]

true

[tepid gate]

I wouldn't do that

[empty epoch]

no, not the role

not sure you can though

[tight oxide]

mr rex taking real long to summon ngl

[manic flint]

@ like 1 that you know will discuss it with you, like Wave or one of the Nova's

[tight oxide]

its rex now

imagine wave

smh

[manic flint]

I'm still going to say wave

[tight oxide]

[manic flint]

[tight oxide]

ok ima ask @limber hull

[tepid gate]

Don't ping him repeatedly, come on that's not going to make him appear here faster

he might just be afk, or sleeping or something else

[tight oxide]

oh shoot forgot one of yall pinged em lmao

[manic flint]

It could
Just angrier

[tight oxide]

[manic flint]

Bad idea either way

[tight oxide]

kaoken mr rex?

[limber hull]

I’m at uni #

Leaving now tho so what you need

Like just ended 1 min ago

[manic flint]

Ooo whatcha do?

[empty epoch]

Make diets use a more scalable factor and merge into one bar instead of the whole eat 3 different foods
To further elaborate, the old "eat anything you want and be fine" should be brought back but with scalable diet factors this can change it up to where the lower your diet bar, the weaker the buff you get (0% = no buffs, possibly negatives)

To help make it so there's still a reason to hunt something you prefer It could be made where if you eat your preferred food you will have your nutrient bar be filled faster meaning more buffs compared to someone who ate something non preferred foods leading to buffs that wont be as good as yours and maybe not even close

To compensate for these changes-
Diet bar should drain slower than your hunger
How fast it fills up depends on if you're eating preferred or non preferred food

May also help diets not feel forced but instead fun

#general-feedback-discussion message

Opinion on this, if you can?

[tight oxide]

uhhh

thx ig?

was about to show em XD

[empty epoch]

yes

[tight oxide]

Mr. Rex bless your wisdom apon us

[tepid gate]

The question is how doable would that be as a rework to a diet system(at least for carnivores) I personally think that the devs would regard this as too big of a rework to consider it.

[tight oxide]

thats even if a dev sees it

if they do then i could see it for if they want to rework diets one day for herbis since gore might fix carnivores

[limber hull]

Listen, I think people try to overcomplicate or oversimplify diets for the simple reason that they are HARD linked with growth. Diets as they stand work awesome the moment growth is out, as you can live very comfortably on any amount of nutrients besides none. Make growth less reliant on nutrients imho, rather than try to reinvent the wheel because the wagon don’t work

[manic flint]

It's a good idea but seems like a lot of work to implement

[tepid gate]

it's partially true but nevertheless the system with 3 nutrients simply doesn't work well for carnivores.

[limber hull]

I mean, could work fine with gore

[tepid gate]

It's like trying to square the circle

maybe?

[tight oxide]

even if it wasnt that linked to growth you kinda still have the herbi issue ig...

[manic flint]

Never heard that one before

[limber hull]

Herbi issue?

[tepid gate]

I personally kind of doubt it, and tbh we already kind of have this scalable factor with a singlebar in the game

it's just not visible

[tight oxide]

I mean for all i could know gore could go amazeling right for carnivores or horrible

[limber hull]

That does not explain what the herbi issue is

[tight oxide]

oh you mean...

[tepid gate]

"The expression "squaring the circle" is sometimes used as a metaphor for trying to do the impossible." - there's an entire article on wikipedia about this, it's a saying that comes from a certain geometric problem.

[tight oxide]

pretty much the traveling for juvie kinda kills it

[tepid gate]

Herbivore diets can be sorted out

[tight oxide]

and feels kinda limited imho

[tepid gate]

they are meant to be traveling they just arguably have to travel too far atm

[limber hull]

Wouldn’t that issue be resolved with a lessening of growth pre-requisites attached to diets.

[tight oxide]

[manic flint]

I know the meaning, I have just never heard anyone use it before

Is it referring to the π = 4 thing?

[limber hull]

Juvis can have food brought to them from wandering creatures of a herd, or live comfortably on one or two nutrients

[tepid gate]

my question is how do you lessen the growth pre-requisites attached to diets while working just with the three nutrients we have

[limber hull]

Rather than NEED all three nutrients

[tepid gate]

so you basically want them to live fine while skipping one nutrient

I don't think the devs will go with this

they specifically moved two nutrients far away from each other to make herbivores travel, I don't think they want them sitting in a single spot

which can still be done

[limber hull]

Give growth buffs to LITERALLY anything else. Spread out growth buffs. You get some growth from diets, from territorial habits and other behaviours

[tight oxide]

growth buff for just moving a lot maybe

[limber hull]

If I possess a territory, I can get fast growth as I would a wanderer looking for diet food

[tepid gate]

oh, interesting, I hear it quite often, it's basically an idea of how to create a square with the same area as specific circle while using classical construction.

Don't want to get too much into this because it's really offtopic though

[limber hull]

You wanna sit around and do nothing in a territory? Do it (you’ll probably get killed and your territory stolen for AFK but who cares about that lmao)

[tight oxide]

what does square circle mean

[tight oxide]

utah pack territory

[tepid gate]

now I wouldn't mind that but I think this is also something that the devs won't be very willing to do

it would likely need a whole new update for such a mechanic to get implemented

[tight oxide]

just make growth based on how much you move?

[manic flint]

(last question on this topic) where you from? Perhaps it's a regional thing?

[limber hull]

The only time you should not get growth is for sitting on your damn ass and doing nothing

[limber hull]

Too artificial.

[tepid gate]

I live in the UK

[tight oxide]

what if you are healing?

[tepid gate]

just check it quickly I'm going to delete it because it's offtopic

[manic flint]

Makes sense, I'm Canadian so we probably don't use the same expressions

[tight oxide]

too lazy to ready ngl

[limber hull]

Don’t like it, you should be doing SOMETHING, not forced to wander aimlessly

[tepid gate]

might be although I don't think it's a UK-specific expression

[limber hull]

Territories. Stagnant locale which would still give growth buffs to all within.

(As long as they own it)

He who owns the territory reaps the reward

[tight oxide]

so like you if you own one you could sit down with no growth debuff or something?

[manic flint]

I don't imagine all dinos making territories, I feel some would be more migratory or free-roaming

[tight oxide]

is it because you gotta defend said area?

and would die if found afk

[limber hull]

Agreed, which is why I’d make territorial habits animal specific

Only some animals care, others do not

[tight oxide]

i dunno would be cool for a utah pack to make a territory in the forest

hypsi territory on the other hand....

[manic flint]

I imagine something like teno or maybe cera and sucho having it, but not Galli or para something

[limber hull]

Exactly right

[tight oxide]

what if territories could be made by some pack dinosaurs?

like a lone utah or herrera cant have one

but multiple...

[limber hull]

That much should be a given. I’d say whoever owns the territory shares buffs with all packmated

[manic flint]

Pack hunting herarra?

[limber hull]

Herrera seems solo lmao

[manic flint]

Yea

Maybe in pairs but that's it

[tight oxide]

i was planning more on if you enter the wrong forest aka herrea territory

like a pack of them

would all jump you....

[tight oxide]

so like utah alone cant make a territory but a pack leader can

it could also use a requirement in numbers too

like 8 utahs to make a territory

[tepid gate]

@limber hullWave, a question again about the proposed changes to diet. I'm not even asking if this will be introduced but - would changes of this calibre even be considered?

Because it seems like a pretty large rework of a system that's already in the game.

Is there even a point in proposing a rework of this magnitude - is what I want to know.

[tight oxide]

damn my idea was that huge?

i thought bigger ideas were suggested before but wow

[tepid gate]

The fact that some people suggested bigger ideas doesn't mean anything

what you've proposed is a large rework to a an already existing system

it would likely require months of work and testing that could be spent on doing something else

[tight oxide]

I dont expect my idea to be added at this stage of the game but if things somehow dont really change by update 8 then maybe update 9 could be possible

[barren zephyr]

@tawny bridge what servers you play?

[empty epoch]

#🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 use this channel Kivoes

[tawny bridge]

NA 5

[barren zephyr]

Pk let me do it for you

[tawny bridge]

you might get stuck here too be careful

[barren zephyr]

I recommend you sleeping (save log) or leaving the server if you cant (your body will disappear after 5 minutes) don't waste food and water, help may take a long time to come

[tawny bridge]

not super worried about that. Was a baby still. Just wanted to report the spot so no one loses a big dino

[empty epoch]

@latent olive I made a tl;dr 🙂

😊

[latent olive]

wall

[empty epoch]

thanks

[low canopy]

to be continued.... can't wait for the finale

[empty epoch]

yes

[compact hare]

Mood

[barren zephyr]

@wary dock cerato is coming before bary

[barren zephyr]

@empty epoch the guy that wrote the bible must be an ancestor of yours

[empty epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/impress-based-american-psycho-very-based-impressive-very-based-gif-21665669

[barren zephyr]

@empty epoch to the map problems you could add that the map monotony is caused by having just one biome and can only be fixed with the addition of new biomes, making new locations as long as they are under the jungle biome wont make the map interesting, we need new assests, different kinds of trees, bushes, rocks, etc...

[empty epoch]

100%

[barren zephyr]

Yeah just making new assets would definitely help with making more interesting areas

[barren zephyr]

Do you know what is funny? They have other assets, from a long time ago

[barren zephyr]

[valid elk]

Anyone wanna talk about the Beipi threaten I suggested or?

[bleak atlas]

@empty epoch have u tried asking an admin to remove the slow mode for #general-feedback for a few seconds so u can post all of it at once? Already saw that happen once
Looking forward for the rest, good feedback 👍

[empty epoch]

nah, didn't need to.
I had to sleep after anyways LOL

[bleak atlas]

👍

[wicked osprey]

yeah so make it that so when i latch off from a succesful pounce i get throw far away/ not in front of the dino im trying to pounce thats just punishing me for succesfully landing an already bugged af pounce as it gives the pounced dino, for example the brokentaurus a free bite on my head ty

[paper oriole]

not a fan of tropeo but i gotta appreciate that actual effort was put in to that suggestion lol

[urban flax]

I would rather have a fully original flyer than "better ptera"

[paper oriole]

same, would personally like an omni and/or herbivore flyer, or even a vampire niche flyer

tupandactylus, pterodaustro or mesadactylus would be neat

[urban flax]

Isn't pteraudostro just ptera but bigger and who is a filter feeder ?

[paper oriole]

i think pterodaustro is smaller than ptera

[barren zephyr]

Tupa is perfection.

[paper oriole]

he is a filter feeder though, spends a lot of time in shallow water probably. tupa would be the best of the three imo

[urban flax]

Bruh mesadactylus is 10 cm

[barren zephyr]

Thalassodromeus could be nice as well.

[paper oriole]

wait isnt mesa the bigger one

i saw a thalasso suggestion a while back where he knocks pteras out of the sky or something

[barren zephyr]

Yea I thought that one was pretty intriguing.

[urban flax]

imo if we get another flyer than quetz, it should be tupa or balaur

[barren zephyr]

Isn't balaur a raptor?

[urban flax]

Yes

[paper oriole]

balaur isnt exactly a flyer, but he is an omnivorous arboreal which would be fun

[barren zephyr]

true

[urban flax]

It could be fictionalized into a flyer

[paper oriole]

balaur is pretty stout bodies i doubt hed do anything more than gliding

[barren zephyr]

could just use velo at that point

[paper oriole]

he doesnt really need to be a flyer either since an arboreal omni who can jump between trees and do a bit of gliding would already be fun and unique

[urban flax]

True

[paper oriole]

for a true glider though i think changyu could work since it wouldnt need to be very fictionalized

[urban flax]

But I can hardly see velo as anything more than a glider, since it's quite well known as a terrestrial animal. Balaur, however, is more obscure and therefore can be more heavily ficitonalized without people going mad

[barren zephyr]

I do feel the arboreal ecosystem is a little lackluster sometimes. With pretty much just herra and hypsi.

[urban flax]

Aren't changyu and balaur basically the same thing, but with different names ?

[barren zephyr]

Tupa could help with that though I feel.

[paper oriole]

not at all

[urban flax]

Titanoboa

[barren zephyr]

Palaeophis is better.

[paper oriole]

changyu is basically a bigger microraptor, balaur is a more unique animal in general. it is omnivorous, has 4 switchblade claws and is more stoutly built than velo or changyu

[urban flax]

But titanoboa is planned and palaeophis is not

[paper oriole]

fellow palae enjoyer

[barren zephyr]

Only if they can program it.

[barren zephyr]

Why yes.

[urban flax]

They're both stupid oversized noodles, let's be honest

[signal beacon]

I feel the arboreal ecosystem is more of a subclass. With it just being a part of the more developed, jungle ecosystem.

[barren zephyr]

Fair assesment.

[barren zephyr]

This is true, I merely wish more creatures were able to utilize trees in some of their lives.

[paper oriole]

i wish some day we would recieve these two in the arboreal roster. maybe in 50 years

[barren zephyr]

iirc punch said there's another roughly ptera sized flyer planned, personally I speculate it is tupa.

[paper oriole]

hopefully

[barren zephyr]

We can dream.

[paper oriole]

ill be disappointed af if its just another carnivore flyer

[barren zephyr]

Same.

[urban flax]

Tupa would be the best option

[barren zephyr]

It needs a unique lifestyle.

[paper oriole]

they already have 2

omnivores and/or herbivores need some love

[barren zephyr]

Tupa being an omnivore could bring a lot of potential to the table.

Make for some very unique gameplay and trials.

[paper oriole]

if he ate treefruit it could give herrera something fun to attack too

[barren zephyr]

An a potential competitor.

[paper oriole]

dodge a herrera and watch it plummet to the ground

[urban flax]

Scroll up

[barren zephyr]

Well thought out, but I don't think we need another carnivore flyer.

[urban flax]

That's my opinion on it

[paper oriole]

personally not a fan of tropeo, if we're only getting one more flyer probably especially

but the effort put in to that suggestion is nice and rare

[barren zephyr]

This is true.

[paper oriole]

usually people just go "add this dino i saw it in a news article" "add this dino it is my favorite dino"

so its refreshing

[barren zephyr]

Indeed.

[bleak bison]

@barren zephyr 1.we don’t need tropeo 2.quetz can do what it does better

[barren zephyr]

I mean honestly the roster is already quite inflated. I've seen some pretty great suggestions but we already have way to many creatures, at least with the server sizes we have currently. I mean giga and acro are basically the same, I feel shant and cama live nearly identical lives and we have seven fricking ceratopsians.

There's been mention of herras hunting ptera.

[paper oriole]

if any dinos are added it should probaby be omnivores because it is a pretty unexplored faction so far

[bleak bison]

If there’s another flier I’d only let it be a small frugivore /insectivore

[barren zephyr]

Tupandactylus please.

[paper oriole]

i imagine a handful of the herbi roster will be moved to omni but the carni roster is packed enough

[barren zephyr]

For sure.

[bleak bison]

I like the idea of one of the little fliers

[urban flax]

Quetz should probably be faster than ptera, but less agile

[paper oriole]

we dont know how well quetz will functon yet

he looks better on land than tropeo or ptera though

[barren zephyr]

If we didn't have to many carnivores already I'd suggest thalasso for that. But I do feel trope could work, just my personal bias.

I think I did awhile back.

[paper oriole]

the devs know that tupan is popular

[barren zephyr]

Hopefully they'll listen to the community on this and reveal tupa.

[empty epoch]

if they want Tupa 🤨

[barren zephyr]

That's the thing.

We just have to hope they do.

[urban flax]

Tupa is overrated
Give us Tapejara

[paper oriole]

eeeew

[barren zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/reverse-card-uno-uno-cards-gif-13032597

[paper oriole]

Tapejara stinky

[barren zephyr]

Its name is just tape-jar with an a at the end.

It's all ark...

[paper oriole]

lmao

i like how ark tapejara is basically tupan too

[barren zephyr]

They're basically the same but tape's worse.

[urban flax]

Is the chargning flyer in PRimal Carnage Tapejara or tupandactylus ?

[barren zephyr]

I think I've seen a suggestion like this before. But, yes.

[empty epoch]

how

[barren zephyr]

Gotta wait 6 hours though.

[urban flax]

Idk how you want something to dodge mid-air, unless it's a fighter jet

[paper oriole]

pteros site suggests that tape is just "an omnivore or an herbivore"

if you were still looking

very vague

[barren zephyr]

Isn't there debate on whether tapejara is just a female tupa?

[empty epoch]

[urban flax]

Sounds extremely specific and situational

[barren zephyr]

This could be useful in a canopy setting.

If tupa was a forest dweller.

Which it eats fruit so.

[urban flax]

No
A creature's main ability should have uses in most situations

[compact hare]

Just make tupa climb and stuff

[barren zephyr]

Arboreal tupa, I like it.

[urban flax]

Tapejara

[barren zephyr]

lmao

[paper oriole]

Ez unique flyer. Let him cling to tree branches, eat fruit, give him the ability to hover which is a unique ability different from ptera

[barren zephyr]

Would add to the aboreal ecosystem as well.

[paper oriole]

yeah give herrera something tricky to hunt and would be fun to juke herreras as tupa as well

they could nest in trees while ptera nests on cliffs and stone structures

[compact hare]

Make it like, smaller than ptera enough to fly well in jungles

[paper oriole]

they could probably fuctionalize his wingspan a bit to be more broad winged than ptera

[barren zephyr]

Goshawk like mobility.

[paper oriole]

shorter broad wings for jungle flight

[barren zephyr]

Exactly.

[paper oriole]

more speed control than ptera but overall not as good speed

i wanna snap his crest

[compact hare]

Nycto is like.. absurdly small

[urban flax]

Having a tree branch on your head doesn't make you magically invisible xD

[compact hare]

Useless like a compy

[barren zephyr]

Nycto would be awesome, but it is not needed.

Plus they're piscivores.

[urban flax]

The thing on your head might look like a tree branch, but the rest of your body won't

[paper oriole]

Look at this beautiful freak of nature

Schlorp

[compact hare]

A gentleman

[urban flax]

It's useful only if you entirely look like a stick, but having something on top of your head that looks like a branch, or anything else, is useless

[barren zephyr]

Giga chad pterosaur.

[paper oriole]

ptera clone

[barren zephyr]

Maybe as a male ptera. But even then, no.

[compact hare]

(Ptera skin fcking please)

[paper oriole]

just give ptera a geo style crest option when that kind of customization comes

[barren zephyr]

Bingo.

Ight well nice talk y'all, I'm gonna head out now. Adios.

[paper oriole]

cya

isnt rhamphy pretty tiny

or am i thinking of someone else

what would he eat though hes puny

he could maybe kill a compy if hes lucky but like what else

vampire dimorph was an interesting concept

but also teeny

he wouldnt be very valuable to the food chain

[compact hare]

upsized mesa

[paper oriole]

mesa is bigger than dimorph at least, i think

lol i posted pterodaustro just a few scrolls up

he's cool, probably at the minimum end of acceptable size though

Filter feeding would be unique but idk how engaging people would find it

Not much worse than being an herbivore ig

isnt that rhamphy

i think mesa would be superior to jeho

due to size

a more valuable asset in the food chain and more player interactivity

[placid iron]

Tupandactylus best arboreal pterosaur niche (also omnivorous pterosaur)

[paper oriole]

know what ptero i love

my man hasandong. i dont think hed be very unique though

[paper oriole]

yeah tupa is the most hype we're just discussing cool pteros and possibel niches in general

[barren zephyr]

dimeorphodon playable

[paper oriole]

tupa is the most likely unknown flyer probably and the most worthy as well

dimo is a bit small for good interactivity

[barren zephyr]

that pterosaur ^ looks badass tbh

[paper oriole]

he may work well as a vampire niche but that is only a one way interaction

cyc is teeeeeny

like 4 feet wing span lol

[barren zephyr]

I just want to be a dimeorphodon so I can be a nuisance to all freshly born babies and consume them

[paper oriole]

gotta consider that these guys would take up server slots and need to have at least some value in the food chain

[compact hare]

The thing is, pterosaurs as small as compy are as useless gameplay wise as compy
If its AI, good. But for playing ...

[paper oriole]

yeah and the effort vs reward value for hunting them as any other animal is null

so they dont hold much interaction value

[placid iron]

I think if you made a soley pterosaur survival game, a lot of these could be really cool, but as it stands I can't see more than 3-4 in The Isle

[paper oriole]

yeah as a pterosaur game it could expand in to its whole ecosystem where these tiny tiers are on the same level as things like utah

[compact hare]

Tropeognathus as flyer hunter, hammering every ptera and quetz out of the sky + eating whatever it wants

[barren zephyr]

bob

[placid iron]

wouldn't quetz be the one bullying trope?

[paper oriole]

tropeo is alright but considering the fac tthat we're probably only getting one more flyer (apparently) it isnt unique enough to be worth that slot

[barren zephyr]

factssss

[compact hare]

Like every other flyer, quetz is very fragile
But trope would hunt it in groups

[paper oriole]

tupa remains the most viable imo

[compact hare]

Tupa supremacy

[paper oriole]

the fact that it isnt in the carni faction alone sets it apart, it is a good size, and it could focus more on arboreal feeding, hovering, and slower but more controlled flight

[placid iron]

yeah Tupa is just way too unique of a niche not to be the 3rd

[barren zephyr]

tupa is definitely better option than trope, trope is already in bob its already not that unique x.x

[paper oriole]

toothy pterosaurs look cool as hell but the third flyer shouldnt just be another carni when we have ptera and quetz who can already harass eachother

[placid iron]

further expanding arboreal niche with herrera and hypsi, rounding out the pterosaur roster, also rounding out the omnivore roster

[compact hare]

Ignore the crazy big claws, but give it some slash attacks too 👍

[paper oriole]

ew he has scaly lips

[compact hare]

Hehe

I need to remake the concept, looks very bad now

[paper oriole]

mf needs some chap stick asap

[compact hare]

What would rhamp eat?

[paper oriole]

probably insects, eggs and possibly some vampiric feeding

[placid iron]

if we get 7 whole ass ceratopsians but not tupa when the game's finished I'm gonna blow a fuse

[barren zephyr]

that sounds dope asf

imagine being a tiny pterosaur and latching on to a brachi like a mosquito

[paper oriole]

size aside i stil think a vampire ptero would be cool, but picking between the two i still gotta go with fruit bat tupa

but if we could have both fruit bat and vampire bat it would be nice

[barren zephyr]

perhaps it could serve a health benefit to brachi like how leeches irl can help humans release the proteins and peptides that thin blood and prevent clotting

[paper oriole]

if we gets tupa i hope it has a flashy pattern and pycnofibers since our ptera is pretty drab and naked

[barren zephyr]

for example, I dont think they should add leeches for humans as i dont think thatd be necessary in gameplay lol

[paper oriole]

personally wouldnt even mind leeches in swamps as long as they werent too much of a problem

[compact hare]

Another reason to add tupan is that its in PC too

[paper oriole]

if they gave some smalls something to snack on to help larger animals, and larger animals had a way of getting them off themselves that wasnt too annoying

[barren zephyr]

true

[placid iron]

correct

[paper oriole]

i could even see some non specialist animals like hypsi and galli picking leeches off of larger animals

plus the isle is supposed to be survival horror and a lot of people are freaked out by leeches

[barren zephyr]

yeah, maybe for dinosaurs itd be a cool feature

definitely would be unique and fun. going to the river banks to find leeches to help with blood related health issues. If they bring sicknesses in

[paper oriole]

leeches as an option for sucking out the troodon venom lol thats be stupid but if you dont think about the logistics much it adds a good gross layer to the isle

cleaner fish swarms would be a nice touch too

[barren zephyr]

oh yea

[paper oriole]

more reasons to encourage people to risk water, but it doesnt force them

[paper oriole]

from perspective of that ptero it sounds like a unique and possibly interesting playstule but i'm still stuck on how small it is, which reduces its interactivity value with the rest of the roster by quite a bit

hypsi utterly dwarfs cyc though, plus due to it being a running and climbing animal, it by defult has more interactivity than a flying one

i think hypsi weighs as much as a medium dog, while cyc is under 5 pounds, i think he's like 2-3 pounds

chihuahua size

like i could pick cyc up and chuck him like a base ball

Hypsi does look tiny but even the small guys arent too small when you look at it from a human's perspective

Well, even though humans can literally kill hypsi with a few kicks which is funny

The suggestion itself is nice yeah

[bright heath]

personally ive had pretty good experiences with the community in the isle, most people ingame are very kind

[paper oriole]

the isle community is as toxic as any other survival game community, not any worse from what ive seen

its just the crowd these games attract, there will always be nasty people but we shouldnt gatekeep just because some people are kind of assholes

[bright heath]

i havent really played any other survival multiplayer games like that, but ive been really surprised by my interactions with people, and how generally they've been good. there will always be some toxic people in any game though.

[paper oriole]

ive had mixed reactions, mostly the issue i have with people is how bad they are at group play, but its pretty easy to avoid toxic people, it isnt a significant problem

[bright heath]

I think that once the game adds more social aspects like nesting, the game might attract more like-minded people.

[paper oriole]

most of the toxic in game interactions ive had were in legacy where people could spout their venom in global chat

[bright heath]

thats one thing that worries me about mercs though, i just hope its not overpowered as to attract "that" kind of crowd haha

ohh yeah i never played legacy im just talking about evrima really.

[paper oriole]

in legacy ive had juvis i killed spawn back in and call me slurs in global its pretty funny

revenge killing is also a problem on some servers but its not nearly as bad as some other games like PoT

[bright heath]

thats why i like having no global chat, the game feels a lot more creepy and surreal, and it decreases verbal toxicity!

[paper oriole]

global is nice in a sandbox serve rbut i hardly miss it in survival. hopefully it returns for sandbox and only sandbox

[bright heath]

yeah yeah

[paper oriole]

only thing i miss is the entertainment from the constant pissfits from people crying about kos and bodyguarding

nothing actually valuable to gameplay

[bright heath]

im just really excited about nesting mechanics in evrima 😩

[paper oriole]

i hope its more interactive than legacy

[bright heath]

what was legacy's like? could anyone shoot u a request to join ur nest orr?

[paper oriole]

collecting materials to have some control over the final nest appearance, and also being able to nest on stone and human structures would be nice

in legacy you just hold a button and do a dig animation and a nest arises from the ground

[bright heath]

ahh i see, i doubt the actual construction will be that elaborate but it would be neat if u had to initially gather some materials with ur mouth or something.

for some species they could just build holes though

[paper oriole]

also you could only do it on certain terrain, like grass, leaf litter and dirt

more varied nests are what im hoping for

some animals nesting in a burrow, some animals digging pits, some animals making decorated nests, some animals just having a messy pile of leaves and sticks

[bright heath]

yeah, making nests as a ptera will be fun,

[paper oriole]

the shaped dirt nests from legacy are fine too for some dinos

[bright heath]

finding a nice ledge somewhere

[empty epoch]

pachy browser

[barren zephyr]

I think forests should be a little denser than in the picture blunt put but yeah

[pastel sinew]

up scale barry to normal size but put its diet in a seperate area from sucho so they never really meet, maybe give them different types of fish to eat

and if they did meet like in a combat server it would be like a 45/50 chance barry wins, they could be the samething but a diferent abillity and barry being faster but weaker and sucho being more hp and stronger so speed agaisnt stregnth like legacy, I spelt a lot wrong dont feel like fixing it

but spino would body both obv

[wary dock]

oh sweet

i know my next main now

[pastel sinew]

as it should

I love barry and am prob maining it but we need cerato first

[paper oriole]

Wtf is a “bubu” lol

[limber hull]

Bubu

[last lily]

What is bubu?

[paper oriole]

This is a question i want the answer to

[empty epoch]

Babu Frick

[paper oriole]

Wtf another person unironically saying babu in feedback

[paper oriole]

[wooden mica]

"sounds abusable to protect juvis" is that not the point? to keep the young safe so they can grow and maintain the species? I mean if you want to say abuse protecting random juvies then it would be a species specific carry, steg can only carry steg, carno only carry carno, bam, fixed. if youre going for a juvi and an adult picks it up and protects it, tough luck, hunt the adult instead or move on

[paper oriole]

Also i dont see how its abusable for herbis to protect juvies specifically

Personally i dont really want a baby carry mechanic for the vast majority of dinos but his argument of “it's abusable for herbivores to carry juvis to protect them” is dumb and biased

[wooden mica]

I mean, its already pot luck for a baby to just find another of its species that is either not killing everyone it sees or just vibing as a herbi specifically, and being a young dino in general is pretty tough unless youre a speedy boi, so why shouldnt they be able to be safe? is everyone out here wanting deathmatch gameplay except for themselves?

[swift grotto]

The spawn killing gets old

[paper oriole]

If a dino has a way if picking up its young juvis/hatchlings that doesn’t look outrageous then it can work. I dont think stego is one of those things

How would a stego pick up a juvi stego

[tight oxide]

stego lifting up a juvie stego with a head that small

[wooden mica]

I just said stego cuz its the first dino that came to mind, just so you know

[tight oxide]

but funny to imagine

[swift grotto]

Like wearing a helmet

[paper oriole]

I could see something like a galli pick up a juvi with its arms at some inconvenience but not a stego

[wooden mica]

i dunno, maybe make it land before time style, pick it up by the spike nubs LOL

[tight oxide]

herrera lifting its bubu with its tail

[paper oriole]

Gawfbskeieskrurjab bubu

[wooden mica]

lets be honest, animals picking up babies with the exception of some pouched guys, looks pretty borked no matter what or how big they are

[tight oxide]

bubu

[paper oriole]

I can see some exceptions but thats all it should be, exceptions

[wooden mica]

storks grab chicks by their wing skin, that shit is so messed up

[tight oxide]

utah picking up its bubus seems like it would be fine and deino holding multiple bubus at the same time is even more realistic

[paper oriole]

Austro allowing its babies on its back like the concept, galli picking up a baby with its arms

[tight oxide]

utah just grabbing with its mouth

carno mouth

mono prob mouth

[paper oriole]

Utah grabbing its baby's neck and breaking it

[wooden mica]

anywho, im only here to call out the idea that carrying babies is abusable being....well.... defunct. its not like there will be one dino going around collecting babies like some easter egg hunt

[paper oriole]

Carno juvis dont need carrying

[tight oxide]

just make it grab the bubus body

[paper oriole]

Theyre mobile af

[paper oriole]

Crush them

[tight oxide]

thats if carno gets it

[paper oriole]

It shouldnt

[tight oxide]

you make it sound like im suggesting it lol

[paper oriole]

Honestly it should be limited to a handful of dinos that dont look utterly cartoonish doing it

[wooden mica]

id think for carnivores carrying wouldnt be unlike what animals with pointy teeths do already, its not like they wouldnt have had bite inhibition

[paper oriole]

Most animals that do it today have special folds of skin for grabbing and are mammals

[tight oxide]

i mean if irl predators can do it pretty fine dont see what stops dinosaurs

especially deino

well some dinosaurs ig

[paper oriole]

Deino makes sense tho with the juvi size it wouldnt be able to do it for long

[wooden mica]

granted we are all speculating since no one will ever know what dinos did.... the secret life of dino parenting

[tight oxide]

deino ingame looks like it can lift 2 juvies max

well more like fit 2 juvies max

[wooden mica]

hatchlings, all of them

[paper oriole]

Yeah their juvis are nowhere near the same size difference as irl

[wooden mica]

all the hatchlings in the hatch

[paper oriole]

We'll see how big the hatchlings will be

[tight oxide]

hatchlings i bet will be half the size of juvies ig

[paper oriole]

Maybe theyll be the size of the schooling fish lol

[tight oxide]

hell nah

[paper oriole]

Imagine

[tight oxide]

at that point a prehistoric cockroach could kill you

wait cockroach ai when?

[paper oriole]

The chickens could kill you

[wooden mica]

i mean, if they go by fossilized eggs, the limited quantity we have found, the sizes would be reasonable

[tight oxide]

funni cat sized roaches when doe

[paper oriole]

What even was the biggest cockroach tbh

[wooden mica]

no dont... I dont wanna know

[paper oriole]

Kinda curious

Wtf this mans name sounds like some dungeon enemy

[wooden mica]

[tight oxide]

Blaberus giganteus is considered one of the largest cockroaches in the world, with males reaching lengths of up to 7.5 cm (3.0 in) and females 10 cm (3.9 in), although others list 9 cm (3.5 in) as the maximum length.

quick google seach idk

[wooden mica]

stop i beg

we dont need fallout entering chat guys, last thing a dino game needs is big ass roaches

[tight oxide]

actually last thing it needs is piss and poo

rather get some roaches than seeing a stego piss on my utah meal

[wooden mica]

[tight oxide]

i mean if you wanna see trike herds start making islands of poo...

[wooden mica]

bruh i dont want either of these scenarios

[tight oxide]

know what when piss and poo update comes ima just go stego and start pooing/pissing in a deino infested river

no one can stop me

[wooden mica]

deino killer meta, poop infections

[tight oxide]

deino would just die thanks to water getting so dirty by poo and piss

dont even get me started on pteras pooping on you from the sky...

[wooden mica]

[paper oriole]

I was looking for prehistoric ones lol weird that for once a modern species is the big one. Blaberus giganteus is the cave roach right

[tight oxide]

bring in the brids