general-feedback-discussion

[unreal ridge]

Gotta get ‘‘em while they are distracted

[manic flint]

Sucho won't bother with beipi
Bary will tho

[rare fractal]

Sucho will bother with beipi about as much as carno bothers with hypsi or compy

[unreal ridge]

Meant to say bary but ok

[manic flint]

👍

I really want to draw this even though I don't draw very well
I refuse to try it on paper tho

[unreal ridge]

But the reason I like more burrowing creatures in the game is because I think being able to take over those burrows would neat, because do you how aardvarks basically make homes for hundreds of species? I always thought it would be neat to have that in a game like if you were out getting chased by Carnos but out of the corner of your eye you see a burrow you can get into is just appealing to me

Because in old isle you see a burrow and say oh sweet a dryo is nearby but if you see a burrow in evrima you could get lucky and see a proto or dryo family or see a troodon pack slink out like a fox

[empty epoch]

Dryo shouldn't be able to make new burrows but should be able to refurbish ANY burrow that isn't being used

[rare fractal]

Yes

[empty epoch]

thanks

[rare fractal]

Agreed, dryo having the ability to burrow makes no fucking sense for the animal it is, but it taking advantage of them because of their size is fine with me

[empty epoch]

yes

"oh oh, because rabbit"

🤨

[limber hull]

man just double upvoted himself lmao

[barren crater]

Hey. If you don't believe in yourself, who will?

I will agree with global (although not the rules part- not really relevant to official), another mid tier- playerlist is irrelevant as you can see who is in the server by checking through steam

[limber hull]

ew global

i refuse to believe there's a legitimate reason to bring that back

[empty epoch]

Sandbox servers

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-breaking-bad-laugh-laughing-laughing-out-loud-gif-16433966

[limber hull]

i mean... i guess? sandbox is the only place global should be

[empty epoch]

yes

thanks Wavepoole for agreeing with me.
For the first time, finally!!

[barren crater]

I'm not arguing this point again

[empty epoch]

Don't

[limber hull]

good

[valid zephyr]

@topaz plaza that sounds awful. It would mean you were just having to eat food 24/7 rather than playing. You couldn't do things like run round the map exploring, or take time out nesting. You couldn't have nocturnal or diurnal herbis as they would just have to eat endlessly all times of day.

Also as a person with carpal tunnel, having to hold E that much would be pure pain. It would need a toggle to eat if you had to eat that much.

[limber hull]

@mint girder idk if you realise the clear and glaring issue with that concept

[mint girder]

What is it

[limber hull]

how the fuck do you get the first dinosaurs

[topaz plaza]

I don't think you understood my suggestion. This would only decrease the maximum amount of food you can have in total, not the consumption rate. This meaning that you'd have to spend the same time eating as you do now. It would deplete 10x faster but also fill up 10x faster. You obviously can still run around the map exploring, since there is herbivore food everywhere on the map, and assuming this change is implemented, eating diet foods wouldn't be as mandatory as it is now, allowing you to eat yellow plants or graze, which nobody does nowdays.

Also I do agree they should make E a toggle. it's kind of annoying indeed

[limber hull]

if everyone has to be nested in

[mint girder]

You get to spawn in normally the first time

[limber hull]

also just seems like it'd end off with entire extinctions

[empty epoch]

I like the idea of Hardcore servers

but what is this

[mint girder]

If you want to play a regular dinosaur again just log out or back in. Or, wait a day maybe idk

[empty epoch]

(Eye's ideas are good)

[limber hull]

if all the regulars die (which they will), then there's nothing left

[limber hull]

what's eye's take?

[empty epoch]

@oblique crown where is your doc thingy

[mint girder]

They can nest eachother in and every time you beat someone in you get an extra life

[empty epoch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/924643760615329832/Dream_Server.png
Funky stuff

but the idea of Hardcore Survival is basically just ARK or Rust

[mint girder]

Maybe it could tie into progression

[empty epoch]

You have to be actively on to keep your base, in this case your dino

[limber hull]

I like a few things but ew to the AI hyper

[empty epoch]

it's funky

[limber hull]

Seems like something that'd be abused and fucking annoying more than actually something cool

Also it takes away heavily from the impact of hypers, which aren't "lingering threats" as much as fast-burn natural disasters

An AI hyper that doesn't die and patrols the map would defeat the purpose of hypers

Also Eye making "pitch black nights" is hilarious to me

Not because it's a bad idea, but because it's pretty obvious why he wants that

[empty epoch]

lol

[limber hull]

@steel flower i'd actually attribute that more to the godawful juvi carni diets

it just makes growth a breeze

[topaz plaza]

Also, to add to this, the way the diet system currently works doesn't allow you to explore at all. You're forced to cycle between 3 points constantly and you're very much punished for steering away from those spots. This would actually relieve that necessity

[steel flower]

Yeah but still, you don't need to eat for an hour and a half

That's fucking insane

For the record, I'm afk growing a Deino rn, ate a juvi Carno and now I'm just doing stuff around the house while growing in a bush

It shouldn't be this easy

[limber hull]

it makes sense for deino. Diets need a huge overhaul, especially deino's. If "apexes are going to be extremely difficult to grow", we need the juvi stage to not be a free pass

[steel flower]

For adults yeah, but there's no reason for juvis to have it that long

[limber hull]

Honestly I've become more on the side of making growth buffs completely separate from diets

Diets giving tons of physical buffs is great, and I love it, but honestly having growth strapped on just complicates it

[steel flower]

I was thinking about growth perks, aka perks that you can only attain while still growing

[dense vale]

kalimu where is your orignal suggestion or whatever yous are talking about i cant find it

[steel flower]

Giving you a reason to go do something while growing instead of afk-ing

Something like "swim 20 km before you hit x growth percentage and you'll get some extra stam regen" or whatever

Kinda sounds like quests but I don't see any other way of doing perks

[limber hull]

nah that's not the shit i'd like to see

[steel flower]

You gotta make some sort of perks that you can only unlock during growth

Otherwise everyone will just afk grow to adulthood and then get all the perks

[limber hull]

perks being outright buffs i somewhat disagree with

[steel flower]

There's nothing else perks can really be tho

Like what else are perks gonna do, give you skins? Nobody cares

[limber hull]

Sure they can

They can outright change the basic playstyle of the animal

[steel flower]

How is that better than a simple buff?

[limber hull]

If you look at perks as nothing more than "stat ups" than they fucking suck

[limber hull]

Because it means people get to customise

[steel flower]

You see a Teno and you're not sure if it's gonna be a runaway type of Teno.or a brawler type, that doesn't exactly sound fun

[limber hull]

not like that at all

nothing like that, perks should not change combat capabilities

[steel flower]

You literally said they should change playstyles

[limber hull]

more like saltwater deinos or diving tenos

[steel flower]

I guess, but there are so many limitations with that

[limber hull]

If a perk is "stam up", it'll be boring and not worth the wait

[steel flower]

Like, what can you do about Carno without stepping into Beasts of Bermuda territory and making it a semi aquatic or a mountain cliber for no reason

[limber hull]

I'd rather be able to migrate to new areas, try new things and survive with unique styles

[steel flower]

I'm all for that idea of perks but I just don't see it working on a lot of dinosaurs without making it goofy

[limber hull]

Carno is a unique challenge because the fucker is kind of clear cut

[steel flower]

Diving Teno wouldn't be too much of a stretch, but something like arborial Utahs or semi aquatic terrestrials just sounds too much like BoB

There's not a lot of that you can do without affecting combat

[limber hull]

Utahs have been seen climbing trees in concept art, not TOO far of a stretch

[steel flower]

Too much of a stretch when you have Herra in and you're not safe from Utahs both on land and in the trees

[limber hull]

Well obviously a perked utah still can't outclimb the climb king lmao

Just like a diving teno won't be the best diver

[steel flower]

At most I could see Utah having a sort of climb that lets it get on top rocks faster rather than having to jump on them

[limber hull]

They've been seen in concept art climbing up trees to escape carnos

High enough that a carno cannot hit them

[dense vale]

am i wrong in thinking we need a big apex to deal with all the midsize ones

[barren zephyr]

No

We just need cerato

[limber hull]

lmaooooo no

no it will not

1300kg max on cera, leaning more to 1100kg. Carno is 1800kg

Carno is also meant to be a solo-esque predator lmao, the fuck you mean in packs

It has a pack size of 3

And ceras are incapable of megapacking? lmao

[dense vale]

[limber hull]

You're putting a 1100kg animal against a 1800kg animal with a charge that knocks over anything smaller than it, outruns the cera, probably does more bite damage, etc. Cera doesn't win

That's why cera isn't a plains animal lmao. It dies to carno.

Cera would be far more adept in forests, swamps and other areas with access to dense foliage/water

It doesn't even matter if the carnos are "megapacking", cera doesn't stand a 50-50 chance

[dense vale]

i was just imagining a glorious saviour rex coming out of the trees and sees the megapacks of mid's and be like target aquired

[tight oxide]

Nah giga would save the day

Funny trot speed and tracking

Just walk carno down

[limber hull]

rex has better tracking than giga according to dondi

[tight oxide]

Finally

[barren zephyr]

40/60 35/65

[limber hull]

???

[barren zephyr]

It has much better maneuverability, good cera can easily fight carno

[limber hull]

Ehhh

It also has much worse speed

[barren zephyr]

@limber hull But it mostly depends on the territory, forest wins cera plains wins carno, very different niches they wont meet each other frequently

[steel flower]

Yes

[limber hull]

adding a big apex solves nothing

look how deino and stego turned out

[steel flower]

It's simple: make it bigger

[limber hull]

Yea but then we get legacy cera which was comically oversized because legacy can't do balance

Who contests allo

[barren zephyr]

The cera wont run from the carno except if he is an idiot

[limber hull]

Who stops allos from megapacking instead of carnos lmao

Allo isn't a cannibal as far as we know. Carno is

[steel flower]

And who cares? A Cerato that's forced to stay in the forest is jist not a fun dinosaur to play therefore just make it bigger so it can deal eith Carno

[limber hull]

I like forest cera

[steel flower]

You really don't need to make Cerato any bugger than Teno to deal with Carno

[limber hull]

Not every fucking animal needs to roam the open plains

[steel flower]

Me too but that doesn't mean ut should instantlt get nuked the moment it steps into the plains, let it fight Carno

[barren zephyr]

Is not fun for you

[steel flower]

Not every fucking animal needs to be grounded so it doesn't die to Carno

[limber hull]

Ehhh, sets a dangerous precedent imho. Carno should know it's place and cera should know its

[barren zephyr]

And we need cera because it will give more playable options to carnos players, not because it will kill them

[limber hull]

Carno should get fucked in swamps and forests, cera should not prosper in the plains

[steel flower]

No. You shouldn't force an animal to avoid half the map just so it doesn't die to the mid tier sprinter, it's just not fun

Not to mention, if Cerato doesn't stand a chance against Carno no one will play it

Who in their right minds would wanna play a smaller, weaker and slower Carno just so they can eat rotten meat?

[limber hull]

It's not like this is going to be an alien concept. Herrera will get fucked in plains, its home is in the dense jungles and forests

Deino gets fucked if it leaves too far from the water and a stego (or any other coming apex) finds it

[barren zephyr]

Is not force to, but he should if you want to live for more than 5 minutes, niches exist because of something

@steel flower if theres only plain dinis why making forests at all

There will be differenr enviroments with more likely to find dino than others

[steel flower]

I never said Cerato shouldn't specialize in living in the forest, just that it shouldn't instantly die to a Carno when beung spotted in the fields

Nobody would play Cerato if they're forced to stay in the worst biome of the map 24/7

[barren zephyr]

It wont if you know how to counterplay them

[steel flower]

It will if what Wavepoole is suggesting would end up on the game

[limber hull]

I mean... It will probably have enough agility to dodge it and retreat to a forest?

Like how a utah does atm

[steel flower]

That sounds fucking stupid

[limber hull]

It can also swim fast

[steel flower]

Not only is it a way bigger target than Utah and easier to hit, it's also gonna die before it reaches the forest

How about just let it fucking be in the plains?

[limber hull]

It's really not that much bigger

[steel flower]

It's not that much bigger - proceeds to show a graph where Cerato's head alone is as big as the raptor's body

[limber hull]

Listen, I like cera, but I can't imagine it having tools to deal with a carno attack effectively in the plains

It'd just get run down, spam-bit, outspaced and killed

[paper oriole]

Guys what if

[steel flower]

Then just imagine it being bigger

[paper oriole]

Judo cera

[steel flower]

Problem solved

[limber hull]

It doesn't have the powerful CC potential of teno

[steel flower]

Just make it bigger

[barren zephyr]

@steel flower cerato will be fucked in plains like carno will be fuck in foresta

[limber hull]

IDK some people actually like things being realistic weights, like ptera is now

[barren zephyr]

No

[limber hull]

Hated 90kg ptera

[steel flower]

Carno is not fucked in forests at all

Unless multiple Pachys

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, because theres nothing forest based

[paper oriole]

He could probably shove carno over from both the front or side with an upwards thrust if they dont just decide to make it an overhyped little bitch scavenger

[steel flower]

Yes and way more people like not being completely useless the second they step out of forests

[limber hull]

Cera can still out-manoeuvre carno, cera just needs to acknowledge that carno controls the fight and does more damage and can choose when and how it engages lmao

[steel flower]

Fun gameplay > realism anytime, 1 ton Cerato just sounds garbage

[barren zephyr]

I think is going to be 1400kg actually

[steel flower]

Yeah doesn't sound very good for the Cerato lol

[limber hull]

Unless you pull a legacy and make cera bigger than carno it'll probably happen lmao

[steel flower]

Just let Cerato have the same role it had in Legacy

[limber hull]

no

[steel flower]

Yes

[limber hull]

cera's role in legacy was either god or fodder

And both sound awful

[steel flower]

Powerful bite, can face tank Carno, Carno needs to get an ambush on it if it wants to win

It's literally as simple as that

[barren zephyr]

@steel flower have you played legacy cerato vs carno, i dont think so

[steel flower]

But artificially separating him from Carno definitely sounds more fun and engaging

[limber hull]

Powerful bite for size, good. Can tank a lot more damage than other animals its size, good. Carno NEEDING an ambush to win? No lmao

[barren zephyr]

Obviously if carno hits the charge cerato has no scape, except a river

[steel flower]

This is literally the worst take I've seen in this channel

[limber hull]

I'd like cera to have a good 150N bite when it comes out, something like that and some bleed resist/maybe damage resist

[barren zephyr]

200N

[limber hull]

Ehhhh

An animal of that size outbiting an animal the size of carno is... Egh

[barren zephyr]

Is just 25 more than carno, and we now cera has stronger bite irl

[limber hull]

Is that actually true?

If so that's actually kinda cool

[steel flower]

Yes Wave, I'm sure people will wanna play the Carno with less health, less speed less damage and that is forced to swim away from everything

[barren zephyr]

Is 25 more in game

I meant

[limber hull]

I mean the part about cera irl being stronger bite

[barren zephyr]

In real life i dont know how much more

[limber hull]

It's not at all like that but sure

Simplify it until it sounds awful idc

[steel flower]

It absolutely is like that

[barren zephyr]

@steel flower you subestimating cera a lot

[limber hull]

I'd like cera to have a jump too honestly, something like tenos

[steel flower]

No I'm not lol, I'm underestimating your idea of Cerato, the no-plains going forest bouhd little bitch

[barren zephyr]

Yea you are

[steel flower]

Literally all I'm asking is that Cerato shouldn't be free Carno food in the plains and apparently that's too much

[limber hull]

If you seriously want cera to be a rotten corpse eating, fast swimming, fast turning, better damage, better health, big-ass carno, sure, but I'd rather not have the cerarex v2

[barren zephyr]

And i think what @limber hull meant was that cerato would be fucked in the plains AGAINST A CARNO not every other dino

[steel flower]

I literally said it just needs to be Teno sized

1.6 tons and it's fine

[limber hull]

Isn't it going to have a couple of passive defences based on how the devs have described it, thus making that 1.6 tons extremely beneficial

[steel flower]

Vulnerable to a charge but can dodge it if it sees it coming, better damage than Carno so it doesn't get face tanked, that's it

[barren zephyr]

Do you know that how weight it has doesnt affect its stats right?

[steel flower]

It literally affects its health

[limber hull]

I mean, size chart says 1.1 tons so it's probably going to be 1.1 tons

[limber hull]

it literally effects health, yea

[steel flower]

Size charts are fucking useless, they're community made

[barren zephyr]

Oh, teno always felt with more health than carno

[limber hull]

Based on dev statements lmao

And irl info

[steel flower]

Weight is equal to health

[steel flower]

Also useless

[barren zephyr]

Cerato is 1400kg

Remind I said it

[limber hull]

And the devs are making an effort to stick to more realistic weights

[steel flower]

Cerato is not in the game, they can make it as big as they want

[limber hull]

It was updated to 1100kg lmao

[steel flower]

You guys legit think 1.1 ton Cerato would be enjoyable

Actually delusional

[limber hull]

They can do that but I doubt they will based on how they're approaching things

I mean, we know cera CAN punch up because magy exists and is significantly heavier

[barren zephyr]

Cerato is not going to be 1600 when carno is much more bigger and it is 1800

[steel flower]

Not to mention we fucking need a mid tier that Carno can fight, the way you're describing Cerato sounds like they will never meet

[barren zephyr]

They wont, but that doesnt mean it wont affect carno megapacks

[steel flower]

I think I speak for an overwhelming majority when I say that Cerato being bullied by Carno doesn't sound fun and having an actual equal matchup between the two sounds way better

[barren zephyr]

Carno is plains guy and cerato is forest river guy, meeting wont be likely

[steel flower]

But Ig sticking to some fictional size chart and paleo accuracy is way more important

[limber hull]

I'd rather no cerarex personally

[barren zephyr]

Then carno shouldnt be bullied by acro

[steel flower]

I wasn't even asking for that

[limber hull]

That's what you get if you have an animal that's significantly easier to grow, feed and can take on the biggest predator in their natural habitat with a 50/50 win chance lmao.

[barren zephyr]

I dont think utha player would like the cerato you want @steel flower

[limber hull]

he said it

[barren zephyr]

And also you only taking into consideration the match against carno, you are ignoring the other match ups

[limber hull]

all that matters is carno gets a matchup, reasonable or not apparently

Even though teno is already meant to be that

We also need a carnivore that fights carno for some reason even though cera and carno really are nothing alike that would make the fight make any sense

[barren zephyr]

The problem is he think we need an animal able to kill carno to stop carno megapacks, we just need another midtier, it could be bary too

[limber hull]

If cera can't do it, why would bary lmao

[barren zephyr]

I mean adding bary would have the same effetc as cera, more dinos to play with, less carnos, no more carno megapack

[limber hull]

Cera and bary seem like a way more reasonable matchup than cera and carno honestly

[barren zephyr]

You arent getting what immtrying to say

[limber hull]

I am

Cera and bary = more carnivores besides carno to play = less carnos

[dense vale]

i just want more food bushes and wallow spots so theres something to do besides eat grass and run

[barren zephyr]

Then why you said the other thing? I thought you werent undesrtanding

[valid zephyr]

Yeah I hate that about the diet system. Just an endless triangle between 3 points.

[dense vale]

clearly just an anti afk mechanic

[merry mantle]

Keeping shallows with the new changes? That would still be a safe place for players to drink.

[limber hull]

jesus dude

calm the fuck down

[merry mantle]

damn...

I mean I agree but geez...

[limber hull]

it cant hurt you dude its just a post

[signal beacon]

He was really only asking to make juvi deinos starve quicker. Which could make sense. And its good from a balance prospective. Rn deino is just "eat a meat sac- I mean elite fish every hour until 50%"

[main imp]

arent they adding things like hollow logs to the riverbottom for baby deinos to hide in? either way I think there should be rocks on the shores of the river only baby deinos can reach so they can be safe from big ones

[barren zephyr]

Most herbi mains complaining cause they need to move and do something in order to get nutrients, hhaha

[limber hull]

im assuming you dont play much herbi

[barren zephyr]

I do, they werent complaining before about not having nothing to do except staying at oasis being assholes to carnivores

[signal beacon]

I'm assuming you main carni and are fine with the whole herbivores have to travel the maps 3 times over to grow in less than 3 hours and carnivores have to find a single corpse to grow on

[signal beacon]

Yea oasis was a problem. The solution wasn't to make herbivore food almost non existent

[barren zephyr]

Cause herbis dont have to kill what they eat and is always at the same place

You should at least have to travel half of the map, the whole map maybe it is a little too much

[signal beacon]

You realize while they expect juvi pachy to travel across the entire map to grow normally carno has to find 1 or 2 corpses to get to adult

Its legacy all over again

[barren zephyr]

If they are 2 stego corpses you are rght

[dense vale]

even people liking this somehow idk how they think its viable when nesting is coming. or if i want to explore

[barren zephyr]

What they cant do is 3 diets at the same place, even 2 is too much

[signal beacon]

Pfft. A juvi carno can get full food and nutrients from a single deer

[barren zephyr]

No

[limber hull]

the fuck you mean no it absolutely can

[barren zephyr]

Thats bs

[limber hull]

Nesting is a huge reason I think diets and growth should be seperate

[limber hull]

It's literally not wtf

[barren zephyr]

It is

[limber hull]

Juvi carnivores get all nutrients from any meat. That includes deer

[signal beacon]

Carnivores have to find like 3 ai to get to full adult atm while herbivores have to deal with carnorex 3.0 AND their nearly non existent food

[barren zephyr]

A carno wont get 100% with a single deer

[limber hull]

A juvi will

[barren zephyr]

If they dont spread food herbis just wont move

[limber hull]

IDK man, the fact that a juvi carnivore can get 100% nutrients off a fucking sea turtle while a juvi pachy has to move across the entire map is kinda... Weird?

[dense vale]

when the map is this copy pasted ya. on v3 i moved alot

[signal beacon]

You can spread them out while not making them the fucking unicorn of plants

The better option is to make the rest of the map bearable to travel through

[barren zephyr]

thenproblem i see you have is carnis growing fast, not herbis growing slow

[limber hull]

I actually like the idea of the nutrients being well spread, however, I just think growth and diets should be more seperated

Because diets giving rewards for hefty migration is quite cool imho but you cannot expect juvis to do that shit consistently

[manic flint]

This is a rediculously long distance for a baby teno to run

[barren zephyr]

Then why would herbis move, a stego is not going to getv3 diets just for 30% better healing and stam regen, likenall adukt ategos stopped trying to get perfect diet aftern100%

Before

[limber hull]

30% better healing and stam regen is really good tho lmao

[signal beacon]

The problem I have is the fact that carnivores get a free perfect diet until 50% but herbivores get

1. Shit on by most carnivores now (carno)
2. To try and find 3 plants all on different sides of the map just to grow in less than 4 hours

[barren zephyr]

Why then all adult stegos i see prefer to body guard and grasp instead getting perfect diet

[limber hull]

Because they can

[dense vale]

i just want anything to do. things like finding proper food every 10 minutes or wallowing for fun make time go by. now is kinda walking sim.

[limber hull]

People do things because they can

[barren zephyr]

Not now, and that is why thr patch does good

[limber hull]

The fact that carnivores have such simple diets is so unfair tho

[signal beacon]

This patch was good in some aspects but awful in others

[limber hull]

I wouldn't say awful

I actually do like the diets but the fact that carnivores STILL have a free pass on everything is DUMB

[manic flint]

Carno didn't need buffs excluding the hunger change
And carnivore diets are so easy

[barren zephyr]

What is your solution without touching carnis diet and groth, and mantaining growth diet realtion?

[signal beacon]

Yea now that stuns aren't as deadly pre-patch carno would have done perfectly

[manic flint]

Exactly

[signal beacon]

It literally only needed a little less hunger drain

But nope we got ballerina carno

[barren zephyr]

I prefer current carno with before's stun

[limber hull]

Without touching carni's diet? Basically nothing

[signal beacon]

Carnivores diet needs a major overhaul

[limber hull]

because carni diets SUCK

[barren zephyr]

You said the prblem was herbi growing being slow, not carnis growing fast

[limber hull]

cool but it doesn't excuse carni diets being literally fucking braindead

[barren zephyr]

Also carno is ok rn, he has nothing to do with herbi diet problems

[limber hull]

i know you're a carno main but can you stop pretending carno is perfect lmao

it's literally braindead to grow because the dumb diets

[barren zephyr]

Fix herbis how you want but dont touch carnis

[signal beacon]

I thought a food group style thing could work.

Lean meat: fast animal like dryo and carno

Fatty meat: from tanky shit such as ceratopsids and other tanky animals

Mussels: found in most other animals however in abundance in animals that rely on strength.

Different animals would need different amounts of these meats. For instance carno would need more lean meat because of the fact that most of its prey is small and fast

While rex would prefer mussel and fat

[manic flint]

Carno is an annoying playable to balance cause it's fast as hell and people want 'big carnivore super strong'

[barren zephyr]

Carno must be stronger than teno and below

[signal beacon]

And their diet score would reley on percentage.

If you had 15% in every diet you'd only have good diet

[limber hull]

They should be touched on, carnis are so boring to me because their juvi stages are horribly uninteresting

[limber hull]

No it shouldn’t lmao

[barren zephyr]

The main problem is the roster selection being shit

[manic flint]

That's sarcasm right?

[limber hull]

Teno is meant to actively challenge carno to a significant degree

[barren zephyr]

Carno shouldnt be here in the first place, it should have been cerato

[limber hull]

It isn’t, he’s a carno main who legit thinks carno should wipe

[signal beacon]

Explain how teno (the slower and almost as heavy animal) should be weaker

[subtle frigate]

just did it, not that bad actually

[barren zephyr]

As teno you can perfectly fight a carno, except you know, akill issue

[manic flint]

The first time
You gotta do it at least twice, maybe thrice until your grown
And one of those trips a carno is bound to find you cause of how common they are

[signal beacon]

Teno's hit box is fucked atm and it barely has an agility advantage anymore because of ballerina carno

[manic flint]

Carno v teno should always be Teno favour

[signal beacon]

Carno can literally win in a face tank if the kick's shitbox fucks you over

[barren zephyr]

All balance is basically fucked ATM

skewed hitboxes in addition to faulty stats

to be clear with carnivores I would like them to be at more of a disadvantage (as hunting shouldnt be straight up face tanking but more strategic takedown)

hit-and-run carno stats are kinda fine, though with future carnivores I would want to see more interesting ways of subduing prey (i.e having to kill prey via holding down on the neck, something I would picture cerato doing). Even then it should require some skill and strategy (e.g. ambushing from cover, and at the right time)

[manic flint]

Especially when your main herbivore prey are stand your ground type animals

[barren zephyr]

I think we could do with more animals that rely on stamina and manoeuvrability to outrun predators

like galli for instance

[manic flint]

Yea

Or ovi

[barren zephyr]

Super ballerina, carno is utah now

[cedar pulsar]

facts
animals irl (even dinosaur-like ones such as hawks) don’t run at their prey and just take a chunk out and run back, they try to subdue it in the initial attack
so yeah, cerato being able to grab prey like that would be pretty cool imo

[barren zephyr]

In real life carno bites one time your head and you are dead

[signal beacon]

So you think carno should 1 shot teno with a headshot?

[barren zephyr]

Didnt say that, we just were saying irl facts

[hybrid tiger]

@barren zephyr wouldn’t that just make it that carnivores only want to eat herbivores and so there’s a decrease in herbivores and an increase in carnivores as carnivores are going to be eaten less?

[barren zephyr]

Part of the reason why there are so many carnivores is because they can rely on carnivore carcasses

and AI as well

[signal beacon]

If carnivores couldn't support their own population it would force people to play herbivores.

However before that's implemented herbivore gameplay needs to actually be fun instead of "walk 3 hours for a radish"

[barren zephyr]

Yes

[barren zephyr]

I do agree, and I wrote a disclaimer to clarify that we needed other balance changes

[paper oriole]

kento is going to have about as much of a "peaceful life" as a certain fictional serial killer

[signal beacon]

Anky! Now anky would be a peaceful life

Just vibin in a jungle nomin on plants and honkin

[hybrid tiger]

Petition to keep anky honk

Petition to give magy merc guns

Petition to make magy bipedal

Because why the fuck not

[paper oriole]

petition to replace magy with something that doesnt suck

bajadasuaurus or shunosaurus would have been my dream

amarga and ampelo are ok, still better than magy

the devs must hate sauropod fans

removing pue, adding magy

[hybrid tiger]

I’m so confused why they nuked pue and brought in brachi

[manic flint]

Ampleo, shuno, amarga, bajada, Salta, anything

Although I did hear magy got an upsize recently

[meager tiger]

Brachi is iconic

It is a better known saurapod?

It was in the first JP as well

Arguably is it the most well known saurapod...maybe except Bronto lol

[hybrid tiger]

But it’s boring pue has been with the isle since the beginning and imo it’s just cooler with its name and looks

[meager tiger]

Being the tallest animal ever to exist is boring?

i think some people including me would enjoy playing a titan that towers over everything and anything

[hybrid tiger]

Pue is still tall and it’s boring because you see them everywhere it’s nice to have variety

[meager tiger]

why not both

Pue can be maybe a post release dlc or something

This is THE dino game

Let's have all the dinosaurs

ALL

[hybrid tiger]

Pue my beloved

[meager tiger]

Fine

Pue First

brachi second

I feel like the ecosystem would crash

If it was all saurapods

Would the saurpods evovle to eat eachother

lol

Wait how do saurpods fight eachother

Neck battle? Kick battle. Whip and slash

https://tenor.com/view/diplodocus-sauropod-fighting-dinosaur-wild-animals-gif-17293435

Lol they look drunk

Drunken giraffes

Petetion to add drunken battle between saurpods

are they even hurting eachother

it just looks like a shoving contest

[hybrid tiger]

I approve of this suggestion

[meager tiger]

is it just me

Or did this game get a lot more ai spawns lol. it's like a petting zoo out here. i see a boar a goat a rabbit and I have a rabbit in my mouth

all within 100 feet of eachother

[signal beacon]

@barren zephyr acro already acts as a weaker yet faster giga that hunts sauropods. Carcara wouldn't add anything other than more roster bloat to the carnivores

[manic flint]

Carchara changes nothing

If anything it's marginally larger Acro which also does nothing

[paper oriole]

let's delete trike and replace it with torosaurus next

[manic flint]

Stahp

[paper oriole]

delete alberto, why have it when we can have tarbosaurus

[fleet wigeon]

Delete Spino and replace it with Oaxalia

[manic flint]

Looks that way but really it's as light as any carcharadontosaurid

So
Why make 2 similar creatures

At least Acro is a pseudo apex
Carchara will just be bad Giga even more than Acro will

[paper oriole]

delete allo and replace it with saurophaganax

[tight oxide]

Replace acro with megaraptor ggez

[manic flint]

It doesn't matter either way

[paper oriole]

unironically wouldnt even complain about this

[tight oxide]

Add gojirasaurus

[manic flint]

I wouldn't complain

[tight oxide]

Gojirasaurus needs more love ngl

[paper oriole]

a megaraptoran would be badass in the isle

isnt gojira mono sized

replace mono with gojira

[manic flint]

Carcar is more similar to giga than Acro is lol

[paper oriole]

it's not that nobody likes carcha, it's just that it is too close to giga

[manic flint]

And they aren't changing the roster anyways

[paper oriole]

it is best saved as a skin

[manic flint]

^

[paper oriole]

carchar and mapu would make quite nice skins for the giga

in fact since the isle has a carchar model its not unlikely it will somehow be used in the future

[tight oxide]

Yes

[paper oriole]

but it wouldnt work well as its own dino since its basically just a slightly differently shaped giga

[tight oxide]

Isnt giga bigger anyways

[paper oriole]

i think gojir and mono are the same length but idk id have to google it

[tight oxide]

Gojirasaurus skin for mono?

[paper oriole]

yeah thatd be cool

since they are so close in size and similar in bodyplan it wouldnt cause much trouble

[tight oxide]

Slight reanimations or adjustments to help avoid funky runs

[paper oriole]

since theyre both basic theropods the changes would be quite minimal and probably easy

same with giga and carchar, para and cory

[tight oxide]

Mono turns into goji cus radiations of humans

[paper oriole]

goji as a rare mutation for nesting near merc labs and the eggs are irradiated

[tight oxide]

Goji should get exclusive semi aquatic perk

[paper oriole]

goji should have a channeled projectile attack from its mouth

[tight oxide]

And it should have spines growing on its back

[paper oriole]

whoa there pardner

[tight oxide]

Its elder should be 100 meters tall

🤨

[paper oriole]

its neuro strain is just shin-gojirasaurus

[tight oxide]

Hypo should be gojirasaurus earth

Type m should be burning gojirasaurus

Gojirasaurus epic like that

But fr i would pay for a gojirasaurus skin if it was paid dlc

[worn kraken]

how come the number of cannibal carnos has like tripled up since the update?

[paper oriole]

Because the carno population has exploded due to herbivore nerfs and the disparity between herbi and carni growth difficulties, plus utah is broken again and ptera got nerfed so all the bird-of-prey wannabes stopped playing it

So now carnos are overpopulated and steamroll everything including eachother

Yes.

[meager tiger]

Wait till quetz is in then a bird of prey will be serious lol

Peck a carno head while flying over it

[barren zephyr]

The fact that Carno can also cannibalise and also just easily feed off of other carnivores is also a bad thing because they can then far more easily sustain themselves

[meager tiger]

I think it's gonna hurt it

[barren zephyr]

Reducing food values for carnivore carcasses would be good as it means less carnivores can be sustained on carnivore carcasses.

[tight oxide]

How does utah even fight carno now that carno can walk better

[barren zephyr]

Meaning less carnivores can actually make it to adulthood, meaning less stable (or possibly even nonexistent) carno megapacks

[worn kraken]

well, I was able to fight carnos also after the update to be honest. Before the update it was frankly a bit ridiculous as a couple of decent utahs could have quite easily killed a carno, now a couple utahs can still make it but it is a lot more difficult.

[ancient panther]

I watched those frogs eat baby majungasauruses (however you spell that) on a documentary once

[random flame]

not kidding, would be neat

[jovial otter]

I'd hate if people could turn off skins all the time. The people who go for super camo skins would lose that camo option. Just don't add hot pinks n whatever colors as an option, keep the color options not crazy saturated and there won't be as many eyesores. Target brightly colored dinos for fun; being bright can make you a target ofc

[paper oriole]

When i first heard about the client side skin toggle a while back i was just amazed that the devs would even think of adding something so exploitable and unfair. But it isnt surprising anymore, looking at some of the balance decisions they make consistently

[limber hull]

why would you even turn them off

[paper oriole]

If you know people are gonna be making camo skins then it is beneficial to you to turn it off and screw them over unfairly

I hope the devs dont go through with that bs, they seem to think skins are entirely cosmetic and not an actual useful survival and combat feature

[limber hull]

its not like sprays in games where you can put horrid shit on there

it's literally the safest shit ever

there is literally zero reason to censor

it won't impact framerate, it won't impact gameplay (beyond skins fitting certain environments better) and it won't be offensive

sure, a player can go with a darker skin, but then they'll stick out like crazy in the more open plains during the day

[sick pond]

its literally an idea a bob dev would come up with lmao its so stupid

[limber hull]

nah BoB devs would never cover up their ugly horrible skins

frankly such an idea would be welcome in BoB, those skins are sickening

[sick pond]

honestly I would love to see the reasons for why someone would want to be able to just take away someones camo

[main imp]

Its simple just make all the skins transparent

[jovial otter]

Bob does have skin toggles LMAO multiple

[barren crater]

For all dinosaurs to ‘look the same. Since they did in real life’ or something like that

Well from what I’ve seen

[jovial otter]

Skins are better for the players, and adds diversity. Yeah, every single zebra looks the same. But then you have horses and donkeys that are built similar with different colors. Skins can be an artificial way to essentially add smaller species. Like a greenwing macaw, blue and gold macaw, and military macaw. Same body shape and type and niche, different colors. Greenarm Utah pack, blue and gold Utah pack, etc

Makes the game more fun for players. Most importantly, people gotta like the game! And people really like cosmetic shit

[hoary dawn]

its just flat out abusable to be able to see through a person's camo

[still needle]

For example.
If i made my hypsi fully green and was standing in some grass. On my screen i am completely invisible. Somebody comes by and just sees a black and yellow blob standing in the grass because they turned my skin off. I would be pretty upset if people just saw things differently just because they like the default skins

[sick pond]

yeah imagine playing ovi or another dino with a colorful default skin, so you make a camo skin. but then someone just toggles custom skins and can now see you perfectly

[barren crater]

agreed. A lot of playables default skins will be so obvious... LIKE OVI

The thing is blue lmao. It sticks out so bad

[sick pond]

also some players really like expressing themselves with their dino skins so its a bit shitty to just take all of that away from them or something

[charred canyon]

I think it'd just be easily fixed by controlling color options

[barren crater]

They should do it like legacy- where you can see everyones colours whether you like it or not

[sick pond]

yeah

[still needle]

If there was unofficial servers without skins for anybody it would be ok

[barren crater]

Yeah just turn it off completely

[hoary dawn]

it'd be boring and nobody would play on it as well

[sick pond]

yeah but for official servers skins should always be visible

[barren crater]

Honestly servers should be able to turn off nearly anything imo

Skins, diets, perks, playables etc

[sick pond]

nobody cares about unofficial anyway lmao

[barren crater]

Ah slightly wrong. Sure it isn't big now- but that's because of barely any admin support and tools to properly run an unofficial

It will boom in the future again when the game has all the necessary features in + when legacy dies

[sick pond]

if legacy can die sooner that'd be great

[barren crater]

@night edge no you can't report a player for killing you

[night edge]

even when they are going on a murder spree and killed 3 or 4 other adult deinos?

[barren crater]

Official servers have no rules

[night edge]

ah i see welp

[hoary dawn]

deino is cannibalistic

[night edge]

they are but to the point they are killing and not eating any bodies and they were injured as well but didn't die

[barren crater]

Limiting other deino numbers

[barren zephyr]

Carnos are also cannibals

[barren crater]

You want to be the largest, and have no threats to you. So if possible- kill other deinos

[night edge]

yea but it wasn't like a whole group of deinos but just one deino just killed a ton of others

[barren crater]

Well it is what it is, can't blame them

[night edge]

i guess but 4 people just lost their deinos for no reason but thanks anyway

[barren zephyr]

@barren crater

[barren crater]

yeah?

[sick pond]

animals irl kill their own pretty often

they don't even have to be hungry

[honest sparrow]

yeah but do they always kill their own?

[half shard]

Alot of predators will kill thier own for territory.

Typically tho one will run away before it gets killed

[shy folio]

it's pretty selfish and rude, but ultimately not much can be done to stop it... Same as mixpacking, even though it's not allowed I see it basically every time i'm on the isle

[night edge]

i get all that but that wasn't the big problem there it was weird how this person was already injured and i somehow died when i got a ton of good bites on him and this person killed at least 4 deinos by himself

[shy folio]

my guess is either nutrients buff, or worse case scenario they were hacking

[green gorge]

@mint sonnet isle crashes all the time for everyone. And your dino dies because other players take advantage of your crash and kills you while youre defenseless

[mint sonnet]

damn :(

[paper oriole]

Jacoby here WANTS pachy to not be able to get coconuts until 50% or if he has an adult with him on top of how garbage growing an berbi is rn?

Yikes

[dense vale]

20 minutes of map loading is crazy. i just have i5 and 1060 and i float for maybe 1 min and 1 more min for everythiing to be rendered properly

[paper oriole]

F

[low canopy]

i think having food sources that by being x animal gives you tools to access is good and makes for more interesting gameplay rather than just "walk up to food and press E",
However it comes at the expense of growth time increases which is not ideal

[paper oriole]

The distance that herbivores have been made to walk with their slow ass little legs to predictable, easily camped areas is already atrocious, and this guy wants pachy to not be able to access one of its diet foods on top of that

Especially since carnis can literally spawn in, get full nutrients in 5 or less min and immediately afk to with full growth bonus

And do that at any region of tbe map where they are much safer from predation

[dense vale]

ya idk this is a mess

feeling like might as well afk grow at the first nutrient i find

[paper oriole]

Feeling like not playing herbi at all because its worse growth for worse payoff. Plus the new camera fov and plague of 12yr old legacy rex mains playing carno taking up most of a server, not worth playing at all right now

[dense vale]

i dont really play anymore either, i pretty much only herb. but the only things to intereact with like food and wallow are so rare it feels not worth looking for. 30 minutes of walking to find anything is boring and i usually fall into one of the bush hidden falls by then

[paper oriole]

I like to split my time between factions but rn its either play carno or die to carno, or play ptera and listen to cancerous idiots spam broadcast in their carno megapacks at every corner of the map

Even when carno wasnt out of control they always spam call i heard them more than i ever herd pteras who are famous for spam calling

[paper oriole]

Lmao that 3 call opt in pvp suggestion yikes

[limber hull]

incredible

[urban flax]

People still don't understand what a survival game is

[frozen heron]

@fading lintel You drowned my guy

[fading lintel]

@frozen heron ??? what do u mean?

i didnt do nothing

[frozen heron]

Screen going dark = deino is suffocating

[fading lintel]

i was full of oxy

[frozen heron]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

They dont give back dinosaurs

[fading lintel]

Wtf....

Im really sad now

Thx for help me

Have a good day bro

[signal beacon]

@river plinth then dont trust random dinos. Especially if you're playing deino or carno, who are supposed to be cannibals, then don't trust them. They will most likely eat you unless you are bigger.

[pallid delta]

PSA cause i see this in #general-feedback wayyy to much- NO amount of mechanic/Nerf/Debuff, will fix Mega pack/Mix packs /KOS /cannibalism, Only reason this wasn't an issue in legacy is cause most of us played on community run servers which had rules to stop it, Barking at the devs to do something to nerf a species, isn't going to fix anything. A server with no rules is fair game to anyone right now, may not be optimal for survival purposes, but once community run servers are back & have a new set of rules things will be better. Behave yourselves and stop asking devs too nerf a species into unplayability or asking for a mechanic that would break the game. Small rant over, sorry

[paper oriole]

Server rules are like putting a bandaid on a bullet hole. Plus those servers suck

[limber hull]

^

[signal beacon]

^
^
^

No

[meager tiger]

@lament pecan you do realize that animals in packs can still commuicate with other packs without having to join them right?

You do also realize some animals don't really form strong packs and just occasnioly group up for a hour or 2 during feeding and then leave

Maybe someone should retake elementary biology lol.

Esicaplly when we are talking about lizard monsters who are not as complex as mammals

And are less likely to have high social skills

[signal beacon]

@quasi vault I am shaking and crying right now

[quasi vault]

They took it down. What a shame...

[frozen heron]

Took what down

[paper oriole]

I screenshotted it before they took it down

[frozen heron]

The fuck

[honest sparrow]

Suggestion is valid

[hoary dawn]

literally

[urban flax]

People are literally asking to disable other people's skins goddammit
Even though they're not even implemented yet

[hazy ferry]

having an option is fine

[ashen elm]

They are talking about a BoB filter
which is fine, you'll still have your skin but people won't have to see if they don't want obnoxious skins ruining the atmosphere

You know some people will create some ugly skins on purpose

[low canopy]

having such option would basically force everyone on officials to NOT use their custom skins in order to SEE what others see

[paper oriole]

It should be a server option to disable skin customization, bit an abusable client side toggle

[hazy ferry]

it shouldn't be a server option just a personal one

[paper oriole]

Then people like you who enjoy looking at exclusively clone dinos can enjoy yourselves on those servers without disrupting the game for others

[ashen elm]

This, it's just a personal choice

[hazy ferry]

idk why people get mad over a personal choice which has no effect on anyone else'

[paper oriole]

Make the personal choice to play on a server with skins disabled. That is a solution that doesn’t invalidate camouflage skins

[still needle]

For example.
If i made my hypsi fully green and was standing in some grass. On my screen i am completely invisible. Somebody comes by and just sees a black and yellow blob standing in the grass because they turned my skin off. I would be pretty upset if people just saw things differently just because they like the default skins

[low canopy]

this one has major effect on others

[paper oriole]

It does affect other people because bot all default skins are good camouflage

[ashen elm]

You shouldn't rely on skins to give you an extra advantage, skins should just affect cosmetics, not gameplay experience

[paper oriole]

Skins are not just cosmetic lmao

[ashen elm]

I'm aware, but they shouldn't be balanced as such. Removing the option to have a filter because you are relying on camo is bad.

[paper oriole]

They are very useful for ambushers and small flight animals

Whose comment just got immediately deleted lmao

[ashen elm]

I didn't even notice anyone's comment getting deleted

[paper oriole]

A comment popped up and immediately disappeared on my screen

Like a whole 4 line comment

[ashen elm]

Huh, bread may be right that discord might be still be buggy rn since it just got booted back up

[paper oriole]

Wack

[low canopy]

i'm not going to play on officials so i wont be hindered by it, but dear lord does it sound atrocious to have your camo skin ruined,
never mind comparing skins and having fun with nesting heritance in herds when everyone ends up just as a clone of each other

[ashen elm]

Sorry but that's the price of skin customization
We're aware Kissen at least does want to push for the filter

[frozen heron]

Kissen said she was advocating for the filter

[paper oriole]

Skins are not like personal head tracking where it only affects your own gameplay if you toggle it client side

Kissen advocates for a lot of awful ideas

[ashen elm]

This is not one of those
Skin affecting balance is horrible in itself in the first place
I'm aware you think it's a good idea, but it's not

[frozen heron]

See, it works for BoB because almost every dinosaur there is something out of barney. But for the isle? Hell no. I do not want a good camo skin to be ruined just because someone clicked a button

[paper oriole]

Yeah kissen likes magy and thinks para shouldnt be able to 1v1 allo

[low canopy]

i like magy too but i wont advocate setting that gives your direct advantage in combat by just messing around with your UI settings

[ashen elm]

Who said it would be ruined? We have no idea what the filter will put in place, it could be counter-shading or maybe the default is placed on it

[paper oriole]

The skin system should just be constructed in a way that prevents wannabe albinos, bananasaurs and shit like that. Not be completely invalidated for those who use it to enhance their canoflage

[hazy ferry]

yeah albinos ruin it

[ashen elm]

Nah, don't rely on camo, hide better instead

[paper oriole]

The banana and fake albino skins in legacy were ugly but those should just not be creatable anymore unless a server deliberately enables it

[paper oriole]

Camo is part of hiding better

[ashen elm]

Camo is heavily reliant on environments, are you going to stick to the same plains and jungles all the time?
Hopefully the Isle doesn't retain the same color palette everywhere, thats one of the major issues in it's visual design

[paper oriole]

Considering the fact that the game wants to push people to stay in certain biomes, yes

[ashen elm]

Sure but those biomes should be more distinct and not all of them are
Like plains and "arid" not even being arid
The beaches still need a lot of work as well

For a tropical area, it's lacking a lot of color variety

I did, if this convo didn't give you a clue.

[tepid gate]

Ngl, I have a feeling that tying animals to certain specific environments via diets is a terrible idea.

[ashen elm]

I don't mind the association, but they shouldn't be chained to them to the point of never exploring the rest of the island or being at at major disadvantage.

[tepid gate]

Now that I think about, I don't remember ever seeing a part of the map that would be as abandoned as they very often are in Evrima back on Thenyaw

might be a matter of the map I guess

but it seemed to me like I could find players in any and every part of the map there

[ashen elm]

Diets are definitely more restrictive and don't help with exploration

[tepid gate]

yea that too

[grim oak]

I’m going to post a suggestion to help simplify the diet system a little bit. Hope the devs take a look at it

[fleet wigeon]

What is even the point of a skin filter? Just let people paint their dinosaur the colors they want, and make it so they can’t make themselves stupid colors.

[ashen elm]

People will always find ways around whatever color palette you give them, the filter is insurance to not have to deal with it.

[fleet wigeon]

Okay then let them do what they want

If they make themselves stupidly colored, then they’ll get eaten

Simple as

[ashen elm]

Then you restrict the color palette even further as a consequence
Even with Legacy's limited ver there were albino and ugly banana skins
The filter is the compromise

[fleet wigeon]

The devs shouldn’t be giving players the power to change other players’ skins, even a little bit. I know in ARK there was the problem of people just turning down their graphics settings to cheese other players’ camo.

[ashen elm]

Again, don't rely on camo, hide better. You don't need it as obvs there is default skins in Evrima which don't camo into the environment rn very well like Pachy and Deino (unless you are straight up go into the jungle which everything disappears into)

[fleet wigeon]

HiDe BeTtEr

[ashen elm]

[fleet wigeon]

Camouflage is integral to hiding

[ashen elm]

No, that's why there is foliage

[gritty helm]

if server owners had the option to enable/disable certain skins, patterns, colors, whatever then that's fine cause at least then everyone see's the same thing

[fleet wigeon]

This guy doesn’t think camouflage is important

[gritty helm]

but client side? no

[fleet wigeon]

You’re gonna sit there and tell me a bright blue oviraptor can just find a thick bush and be fine?

[ashen elm]

I'm not, I'm saying it shouldn't affect balance
Don't rely on cheesing with camo skins

[ashen elm]

Sure because Evrima's bushes are giants
The bigger problem is current tracking

[fleet wigeon]

Just admit you don’t know how camouflage works and move on

[ashen elm]

Why would I admit to something that's not true?

[fleet wigeon]

Explain to me why a skin filter is a good thing beyond people making ugly dinosaurs.

[still needle]

The people who make ugly dinosaurs are going to die faster then people with camo skins

[ashen elm]

It retains consistency with the environment
Depending on how it works, it could help with screen-grabs and easily identifying other species from far distances
At a certain point/ distance, you are not sure which generic theropod it is from further away

[fleet wigeon]

So do you or don’t you want to be able to easily tell which dinosaur you’re looking at?

[ashen elm]

From further distances? I do

[fleet wigeon]

I just don’t see what gives you or anyone else the right to turn off somebody else’s skin

It just screams that people are going to use it to screw other people over

[ashen elm]

We just went over that.
Again, it's bad gameplay to rely on camo, you should be using the foliage, line of distance, etc... and not your color
Don't assume people won't see you if you have your tail sticking out of a bush

[devout sun]

Being able to turn off skins is just a bad idea. Same as everyone else said. Camo is important, and people's ability to perfect either camo or just a cool looking skin should be reflected always, not optionally. It's especially apparent for the client who has made the camo. They know they blend in with this specific tree, the may have designed a skin specifically to blend in with this tree. But the default skin of the dino is some bright color and they are just easily visible to anyone who ticks this option.

[ashen elm]

Are you guys Legacy players?
Because otherwise I have no idea how you are surviving on Evrima which just gives you a default.

[devout sun]

The problem is that the person who put the effort to make camo is the one who is getting punished for the other player's decision to flip a switch in the options menu. I don't know how THAT is good gameplay.

[devout sun]

Hiding in evrima is usually fine, the default skins on stuff like teno and deino are really good. Otherwise yeah you have to rely more on line of sight and foliage, ect.

[ashen elm]

Again, don't rely on camo, rely on hiding better. You shouldn't be rewarded for free cosmetic changes, those should not affect gameplay. It's not mechanic, it's visual.

[devout sun]

But giving people the ability to decide whether they want to play the game that way, or instead sacrifice their dope orange and blue skin or something for effective camo. That decision shouldn't then be override by someone else for the sake of what... realism??

[gritty helm]

what you just described people "should" be relying on is, definitionally speaking, using camouflage

[ashen elm]

For aesthetics yes, the Isle prioritizes it's visual design a lot, thus this rework to skins.

[devout sun]

No skin option is going to be "unrealistic" either way. That has been stated multiple times by developers.

[ashen elm]

So a Carno, bright red thing it is in Evrima with no choice of picking green or grey, is using camo to ambush it's prey when it hides in bushes?

[devout sun]

The "visual design" that is so prioritized will continue to be so.

[ashen elm]

Yet they acknowledge people will exploit or use the color palette in ways that isn't intended
Thus Kissen, a developer herself, pushing for a filter.

[devout sun]

And the majority of the community does not want this filter to be a straight disable switch for the entire system. That makes no sense at all. This filter should be limiting the color options for certain dinos and what not. Or even limiting the use of certain colors based on the playstyle of a given dinosaur.

That's a much more organic and fair solution to the issue than giving some people the option to turn off camo, is it not?

[ashen elm]

We don't know what the filter will do, they haven't commented much on it. I feel like your are jumping the gun on assuming it's going to be bad.

[still needle]

And thats why people are worried about it being a client side filter that ruins camo :)

[devout sun]

Straight facts

[ashen elm]

Dinosaurs don't rely on specfic camo in Evrima and most things work fine without
Again, Carno the bright red dinosaur still can ambush

[devout sun]

Then what is the issue with giving players the option to use camo? If you are saying it isn't even needed for them to succeed, than what difference does it make?

[ashen elm]

I mean if you want to have a green skin that's fine, you are looking at it. Just don't rely on it, is my point.
It's visual =/= a survival mechanic

[fleet wigeon]

Why shouldn’t we rely on camouflage? That’s the point of camo

[devout sun]

Relying on your skin is probably a bad bet absolutely, but making it so that relying on your skin isn't an option at all because people can just turn it off is also not a good idea either.

[still needle]

It does not matter if they do or dont rely on camo the fact that 2 players are seeing 2 different skins is the problem. If on my screen i am a green dinosaur hiding in something green and someone else sees my dinosaur as any other color its going to give me away.

Its a bad idea to have 2 players seeing 2 different things in that way

[ashen elm]

Because the game isn't balanced around it
It's balanced around everything being viable w/o it
So if a filter is applied, it won't affect your viability because people with more flamboyant skins will still excel

[fleet wigeon]

I feel like you aren’t listening

[ashen elm]

No, I am I just don't agree at all

[devout sun]

So you are saying you want to implement a switch to turn off skins so that people with bright white skins will have a fair chance compared to default skins? Where's the logic in that lol

[ashen elm]

No I'm saying regardless of the skin, it shouldn't affect what you rely on
This isn't the case in Evrima and it shouldn't change (much) with skin customization

[devout sun]

They make the decision to commit to that kind of skin. They also make the decision to commit to a skin that blends in with the surroundings. They should be punished or rewarded accordingly with their decision, not punished or rewarded accordingly to what options the enemy has active.

[fleet wigeon]

Not to mention camouflage should give you an edge. That is the entire point of camo. Hide from predators. Hide from prey. Break up your outline.

[ashen elm]

You should not be rewarded for a mechanic that is meant to be cosmetic

[paper oriole]

mmm i come back to find abusable anti-mixpack suggestion #3139048902

[fleet wigeon]

When it’s camo, yes you should

[frozen heron]

Wat

[still needle]

Also who says animals dont rely on camo? Its literally half of every animals strategy in nature

[ashen elm]

What's confusing about my post?

[fleet wigeon]

Pretty much everything except the super poisonous frogs and such

[devout sun]

Exactly! Camo ISN'T purely cosmetic. That's exactly the point. That's exactly why the enemy disabling your camo with the flip of a switch in the options menu is by no means fair. That's just straight common sense.

[ashen elm]

They do to an extent but they also don't come in various colors and customizable patterns like this game allows you too so
Unless they are literally different species

[still needle]

So?

[ashen elm]

So why are you arguing for realism, when realism would apply that skin customization doesn't exist at all

[still needle]

Some people will be not camo and some people will its not a big deal. Dont punish players for using camo

[frozen heron]

People can choose to make any type of skin. And you dont want people to get rewarded for a skin they chose to make to better their survival rate. It is ultimately the best choice in the race of survival. You use it to hide. Why shouldnt they be rewarded for being green instead of a blinding white?

Just to have their camo be obsolete by a simple filter

[devout sun]

What about that should invalidate any and all skin choices and all of their benefits or drawbacks?

The skin system is cosmetic but that doesn't mean it serves no greater purpose than that. The point of customization of the look of your dinosaur is to customize the look of your dinosaur. If that includes making your dinosaur green to blend in, then congrats you made a smart decision survival-wise.

[ashen elm]

No it shouldn't be rewarded, again this is a cosmetic choice. Do I think people who choose all white are dumb and probably have a less likely chance to die by sticking out like a sore thumb? Sure

But do I think people who intentionally try to us camo skins should get an unfair advantage just because they choose to blend into a specific environment? No. Again, this is a cosmetic system.

[fleet wigeon]

Homie

[devout sun]

Our point is camo isn't unfair. If everyone can do it, than it's not unfair. If animals can do it all the time, than it's realistic.

[frozen heron]

You want them to have an unfair advantage by having a filter that disables their skins

[fleet wigeon]

^

[ashen elm]

Don't rely on the skins in the first place is the answer

[frozen heron]

People will rely on them because its what helps them live

[fleet wigeon]

Camo won't be the only way to hide, but it will help, which is the point, which is why its bad for somebody to be able to decide to disable other players' camo

[frozen heron]

There'll be no rainbow sparkle bullshit but there will be some out there skins, like the classic orange and blue people used in legacy. Why should camo not have an advantage over that?

[ashen elm]

Well that's one them
Meanwhile I have no problem living as bright red Carno in Evrima, black Deino when trying to get to oasis before it was nuked, by actually using the foliage around me instead of "camo" skins

[devout sun]

And I enjoyed perfecting camo for my dinosaurs based on how and where I wanted to play them in legacy. One of these options promotes customization and creativity, and the other one does quite the opposite. It's a clear choice and the choice is not the one you are pushing for.

It's the one that 90% of the community is pushing for.

[ashen elm]

Just like you'll have to adjust to not using alt turn and different movement from Legacy, sorry you gotta live without using camo as a crutch for surviving

[frozen heron]

People dont magically blend into their surroundings if they're camo. Everyone uses foliage regardless. Camo just helps you blend in much better, so whats the problem?

[devout sun]

Ah so you're cooler than me? Damn I'm convinced we should add that ability to switch the skin system off now!

It makes no difference whether it's a crutch or not.

[ashen elm]

Because the developers intentionally are not balancing around this fact, so a filter should not effect it again
This is a crutch you are using

[fleet wigeon]

So what

So what if people are using it to help themselves

[frozen heron]

It's a "crutch" because it alters someone's survival rate

[fleet wigeon]

What's wrong with that

[frozen heron]

It gives a small benefit. Whatever benefit there is to survival, its a big one

Dont see why its an issue

[devout sun]

And playing as a bright blue ovi is a handicap. Maybe people don't want that.

[ashen elm]

So don't rely on the crutch
Do you play Evrima? There is no option to use camo because you have a default
Unless you literally play Dryo

[fleet wigeon]

Yes I play Evrima. Everyone has the same skin though so it doesn't matter.

[frozen heron]

I assume they will also have green options in the upcoming skin system, my dude

[ashen elm]

omg yes this is my point, thank you 👏
because cosmetic shouldn't affect anything like this in-game

[still needle]

So if i made my hypsi green is it fair that people see me as black and yellow? How would i ever know i am hidden if i cant even tell what i look like to other people

[carmine path]

What are the 2 points here?

[ashen elm]

Because again, don't rely on camo, hide like you are the white cursed ablino skins and pray

[frozen heron]

This isnt primal carnage cosmetics, "cosmetics" actually play a role in a survival game, so it should affect how the game is played

[devout sun]

Why is it cosmetic only. Skins that blend in (even that aren't green) are by definition not cosmetic. You are saying you should stop people from being able to play brown utahs with orange crests because if they sit in a mud pool at sunset it will act as a survival crutch?

Or are you saying you shouldn't be able to equip green specifically

either way the solution is not to turn it off

[ashen elm]

No, I'm saying don't rely on camo at all as a crutch as I have been saying x10

[fleet wigeon]

Most people want to be able to customize their skin. Some people want to be able to turn off other people's skin and convert it to the default. Bronto doesn't understand how camouflage works

[ashen elm]

I'm sorry
not agreeing with you =/= not understanding

[carmine path]

Honestly seems like Bronto is rambling without a point imo

[frozen heron]

And by having a filter you are giving the indominus rex utahs a chance at survival. So no thanks

[fleet wigeon]

True

[devout sun]

Bronto's point has switched a few times already. The argument is pretty irrelevant honestly.

[paper oriole]

Bronto is just scared about the thought of getting snuck up on by somebody with a good skin lol

[ashen elm]

How has my argument switched?

[carmine path]

State your argument

[devout sun]

The skin system shouldn't be for laughs and giggles. It should have some sort of purpose. Bronto's suggestion removes that purpose entirely.

[fleet wigeon]

You keep bringing up how using camo on purpose shouldn't give an advantage, which like I keep saying is the entire point of camo

[ashen elm]

No I don't, because I play Evrima and not Legacy

[frozen heron]

This isnt about legacy

[ashen elm]

Don't rely on camo skins
Skins shouldn't affect balance
Filter is fine because it's cosmetic

[paper oriole]

I said the thought of, as in when the skin system comes lmao

[carmine path]

All these points suck.

[frozen heron]

Skins dont affect balance? They just help you hide/ambush better

[ashen elm]

It sort of is, because you keep using it as a argument when Evrima doesn't give you the option at all and people survive fine w/o it

[ashen elm]

Thank you for you well-thought out argument

[fleet wigeon]

[gritty helm]

To answer this, yes.

Anyone or anything utilizing aspects of the environment to hide better is literally camouflage.

[frozen heron]

Ok but we, or at least i never referred to legacy in any of my points. I'm talking as if the skin system was here right now and there's various green and camo dinosaurs

[devout sun]

And the balance of legacy isn't broken because they have skins. Why is evrima any different? Explain this so that everyone can get it.

If legacy skins worked perfectly, why won't evrima skins?

[ashen elm]

No, it's more I don't want to look at ugly skins than anything
I don't care about camo skins
I care about not looking at banana rex

[carmine path]

1. You don’t rely on camo it simply gives an advantage to those who want one
2. They don’t effect balance as they are accessible to all dinos
3. You are taking away advantages of disadvantages making the system useless

[frozen heron]

Look, i'd like a filter for bright skins too. But a filter for ALL skins to become default? No.

[fleet wigeon]

:/

[devout sun]

^^^^

[ashen elm]

In reference the skin, it's not camouflaging into the bush with the red, so no

[paper oriole]

Some of the upcoming animals have crazy skins that arent good for camo and they should have the option to blend in better. Some of the animals now like pachy have poor skins for camo and could improve their survival ability with a change

[devout sun]

Bronto I believe you should consider my question

it would help us understand your argument much more

[frozen heron]

I dont think they care about how well they work in evrima, they just dont want to look at bright dinosaurs

[fleet wigeon]

Lmao then eat them

[devout sun]

yep lol

[ashen elm]

You are, several people are literally stated they would get upset if they thought they were camouflaged but seen because of the filter. Again don't rely on it. Hide with other methods like foliage
2. It affects balance as stated with people saying it affects survival rates
3. There shouldn't be advantages or disadvantages, it should be cosmetic

[devout sun]

it would be cool to see like an albino allo or something with a bunch of battle scars, it would show that that thing has lived it's life as bright white, and has continued to survive

[ashen elm]

Which one?

[carmine path]

.

[devout sun]

@ashen elm >>> If legacy skins worked perfectly, why won't evrima skins? <<<

[frozen heron]

If you have a problem with camo, in the end, it'll be survival of the fittest. You can stick with your default skin which still provides ample cover. But people will go further than that to survive better. That doesnt mean you should just simply invalidate people for just wanting to be able to hide

[ashen elm]

Basically yes

[ashen elm]

They didn't? There were loads of ugly skins in Legacy

[devout sun]

let me reword it if you are going to take that way around

If legacy camo worked perfectly, why won't evrima camo? <<

[outer condor]

@ashen elm I will run at you with my bright pink teno

[ashen elm]

You are working with the assumption I care about camo
I don't, I just prioritize not looking at ugly skins then the "advantage" of having the option

[frozen heron]

Then ask for a filter that filters out bright colors? Not the entire skin system

[still needle]

Who says bright skins will even exist? We dont even know how it works yet

[gritty helm]

Precisely

[ashen elm]

I don't have a problem with that? Again my main argument is that a filter exist at all, I don't care if it somehow still lets you have camo

[devout sun]

his argument shifts once again

That's what the color option filter is for. Filter out bright colors. Making it so that you can disable everyone's colors is such a terrible solution to the issue. It makes no sense.

[frozen heron]

There will be light greens, browns, oranges perhaps, classifying as bright because they stick out, not necessarily being neon

[devout sun]

Just make it so that people don't have the option to run at you with a hot pink tenonto.

Making it so they won't have the option for camo or anything else in the process is just straight up unintuitive and nonsensical.

[ashen elm]

It hasn't shifted at all, I think using a crutch is dumb but I don't care enough if people have the option, even if I disagree with it
My main priority is having the filter for not ugly colors

[dense vale]

what is a filter

[fleet wigeon]

It's for making coffee

[frozen heron]

Yo mom

[ashen elm]

Something to stop people from being blinded from color trolling

[frozen heron]

Think of instagram filters. They change how colors appear

[paper oriole]

Color trolling

[devout sun]

In this case, the addition of color options that do not include colors that make no sense like neon pink.

[ashen elm]

What else do you call a banana rex, except color trolling

[carmine path]

1. Why wouldn’t you get mad if your skin was thrown at the window for another player’s advantage. Skins shouldn’t be Client Side as it prevents a party from seeing its true visibility.
2. Pick a bad skin your survival rate is gonna go down that is a given same goes for skill. Its not balance its lack of common sense
3. Its a cosmetic… like other games they can provide advantages if used correctly such as War Thunder, Apex Legends even, Minecraft. Its a skin system for those who want an advantage to have and for those who want a funny and unique skin can have one

[fleet wigeon]

Wait wrong person

[devout sun]

a power move

[frozen heron]

I cant wait to color troll bronto when the skin system comes out

[ashen elm]

🤮

[devout sun]

I'm dead serious with that reply btw

[fleet wigeon]

It's called PVP

[frozen heron]

New term coined

[carmine path]

Free food.

[paper oriole]

Ok so just make it so people cant select all yellow? Just make the skin system good?

[devout sun]

that too yep

[frozen heron]

Its free food for nothing but another apex

[devout sun]

Exactly!!

Bronto's solution is just this with extra steps of sadness and stupidity.

[frozen heron]

I'm sure they're making it better than what legacy was like

[carmine path]

Dilo and Allo say otherwise.

[outer condor]

No yellow is my favorite color

[fleet wigeon]

Also what you might consider ugly, somebody else might think looks cool

[paper oriole]

I also dont see why youre against the idea of servers simply being able to disable skin customization so that everybody is on even ground in all cases

[frozen heron]

You assume rex wont be able to defend itself from those pests in evrima. Alt bite moment

[devout sun]

This too, why is your opinion of colors everyone else's problem Bronto?

[carmine path]

Alt bite on rex is gonna be slow.

[frozen heron]

We dont know that

[devout sun]

rex better not have alt bite lmfao it should have literally any other attack

[frozen heron]

I mean to be fair, how else is it gonna defend its butt. It's gonna be sticky utah all over again

[ashen elm]

1. Because maybe it's better to hide and not rely on your skin? If I get spotted in Evrima, it's because I choose a poor spot, I don't blame my bright red Carno skin
2. It still affects balance whatever you you spin it
3. Cosmetic should stay cosmetic, there are other games this is a problem with too and which can be problematic if cosmetics are something that are charged for

[carmine path]

You think a creature that size and stature is gonna be able to 180 at mach speed?

[paper oriole]

Bronto just sounds like he wants to be able to disable people using camo so he can see them easier, since he was against the idea of being able to just play on servers with customization disabled

[frozen heron]

No, but i'm sure a rex would know how to defend its behind

[paper oriole]

He is using “troll skins” as a cover for his real intentions

[ashen elm]

You mean like they tried with Legacy? There will be exploits, I guarantee you

[carmine path]

You’re repeating points.

[paper oriole]

Exploits? For servers having skin system toggled on or off? lul

[frozen heron]

You've said "it affects balance" like 3 times now, what does that even mean?

[ashen elm]

I didn't exactly see new arguments in yours either and it's because we clearly don't agree

[paper oriole]

Your idea sounds more like an exploit

[fleet wigeon]

Because it is

[devout sun]

I don't think any us (there's I think there has been 6 of us total now lmao) are going to get through to Bronto. I think we can all just bank on the fact that a smarter solution will likely be implemented and that player customization will be respected by the developers as they have said.

The argument is getting boring and it's going in useless circles.

[fleet wigeon]

True

Anyways Stego needs a buff

[frozen heron]

Is it just me who finds it fun? I love going in circles with dense people.

[carmine path]

Flamebaiting?

[ashen elm]

That we see it differently? Again, you are using a skin to give yourself an advantage, how is that not affecting balance?

[fleet wigeon]

A joke

[devout sun]

based, so fvcking zased

[frozen heron]

Doesn't mean one camo utah will somehow be able to affect the entire roster

[paper oriole]

Buff stego to 8 tons and give it neck armor so it takes 50% neck damage and remove the stam cost from its tail swing

[ashen elm]

What is my real intentions?

[fleet wigeon]

Stego needs to be able to roll into a ball like a pangolin

[devout sun]

make it so that if deino lunges it's head it instantly kills the deino because deino needs to be discouraged from being a land predator

[frozen heron]

Nor will a bright utah affect balance. If anything it'll be dead as shit

[ashen elm]

You realize you are not disagreeing with me, just saying it's relative right?

[devout sun]

in all honesty we can just cry in the fact that stegosaurus is currently the top land predator of the island

[frozen heron]

I dunno, me saying it wont affect balance while you say it affects balance is a disagreement to me

[paper oriole]

The fact that you disagree with the simple and fair option of letting servers disable skins, or even disable some colors, highly suggests that you just want this client side option to bypass people being smart and using good camo skins. If it was a server option, you could easily play on servers with it disabled and never see an “ugly” skin, but earlier you objected to this

[fleet wigeon]

Lmao yeah. I was playing Deino and had a stego cross a river twice because we couldn't do anything

[devout sun]

I'll leave it there.

Bronto was funny to engage with and I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees his funny business. Take care everyone!

[frozen heron]

Feels. Had like 6 adult deinos in center river the other day, with 2 stegos, one being a little hurt. Like 2 people died anyway, neither of them died. Good stuff

[paper oriole]

Honestly yeah im gonna dip out again too before i get in to a loop argument again

[ashen elm]

When did I say this? I feel like you are confusing me with someone else. I have no idea how the filter will work, I'm arguing it should exist at all, I've not said that I want it working a specific way

[devout sun]

#general-feedback-discussion veteran speaking right there

[dense vale]

5 minutes and still no idea what yall talking about lol

[ashen elm]

Don't worry, the people arguing seem to not have a clue on what was being argued about either, based on the last posts

[carmine path]

Just Bronto being single minded is all im dipping

[frozen heron]

Glad we got nowhere

I'll be around for the next ridiculous feedback post

[devout sun]

Long story short bronto wants to give everyone the ability to display every dino on the map with default skins. Make of it what you wish but the majority have decided that would make camo useless and discourage creativity and customization.

peace

@carmine path gotchu with the TLDR by the way

[carmine path]

Ty my man

[ashen elm]

That is not what I said, again, I want a skin filter to exist, I didn't say it needed to be default skins.
Look at my original replies and read it again

You confused me saying relying on camo is bad as me saying I think camo skins shouldn't exist at all

[dense vale]

did a dev say something about skins or why are we talking about this

[ashen elm]

Yes, Kissen mentioned wanting a filter

[hoary dawn]

client side skin filter is a very stupid idea

mira's suggestion is much more fair

[tight oxide]

Wait whats going on?

What did you suggest

[ashen elm]

I didn't suggest anything, the poor guy who originally suggested it deleted his suggestion I think

[tight oxide]

Oof

So why am i coming to an argument

[ashen elm]

[tight oxide]

[hoary dawn]

weekly kissenism

[tight oxide]

Huh

[elder fox]

#general-feedback message

[paper oriole]

Good, other people had the same idea, hopefully that makes it more likely they’ll do it that way. Client-side options should remain as things that cant affect other peoples' gameplay, like the head tracking toggle in legacy

[jovial otter]

Bronto, if you hate those banana rexes so much, hunt em. That's the price for a bright skin, being seen and targeted more

Kill them yourself, by hand. There's the best client-side solution to eyesore skins

[hoary dawn]

or the devs could just not make bright yellow rexes a possible skin

[dense vale]

[jovial otter]

Or you can just kill the yellow rexes xD Obv no neons or whatever, but yellows (specifically tans) are common natural colors.

[dense vale]

ya ill just have my hypsi eat the yellow rex

[jovial otter]

People gonna do whatever, so target the ones you don't like

Do it

Or look away? That yellow rex won't be as sneaky, so you'll live longer

[dense vale]

idk i feel like if you want csgo skin dinos your just playing the wrong game

[ashen elm]

I do, but it's still an assault on my eyes

[paper oriole]

Yeah but a huge 8ton ambush predator being colored like a ripe banana just sucks. The skin system shouldnt allow that by default, the same goes for mock albino skins.

All this stuff is best left to community servers to enable or disable to give people their preferred experience without messing with others

[pulsar smelt]

Tldr if anyone mentioned it, but Ambient Lighting/General lighting plays a HUGE role in how we see colors. so what can be bright in the sunshine can be dull and desaturated in the shadows. just something to consider in this debate.

[paper oriole]

Yeah and some skins like some dilo skins in legacy were crafted with that in mind

Some legacy camo skins were made with nightvision or darkness in mind

I dont think this should be a thing again unless a community server enables the option to pick one color for all layers

[pulsar smelt]

albinism is a thing so I disagree. if we are talking realism. Im totally fine with Natural/Earth tone colors with some fun crest or accent color. Reptiles come in bright colors aswell they manage just fine, same for birds.

But on the flip side I do NOT want to see dinosaurs running around looking like they just came from Beast of Bermuda lol

[frozen heron]

Oh boy are we still on this topic

[pulsar smelt]

XD

I chimed in sorry haha

[paper oriole]

Albinism isnt so common that we should have 10 albino raptors on the map lol. Albinism is a detrimental mutation

It should be a punishment if anything

Bronto dipped so i felt like i could talk about it without it being a hula hoop argument again

[dense vale]

*color comes with 10% hunger drain

[pulsar smelt]

let it happen and let them be the first to get picked off, soon they will learn those colors dont fare well. thats the punishment.

Imo

[paper oriole]

Albinos get sunburn if they leave the forest during the day

[paper oriole]

If a community server wants to have bananas and wannabe-albinos then they should very well be able to enable it but by default the skin system shouldn’t have such hideous abominations popping up so often

But thats just my take

A community server owner should be able to customize the experience of their server in ways like that so people can choose what makes them happiest. If its a server with skins enabled, disabled, or with some colors enabled or disabled. Just like enabling or disabling certain playables, or strains

[frozen heron]

Oh no..

[ashen elm]

This doesn't discourage people from playing them in Legacy
Plus a lot of people get grown with friends
I don't care much what private servers do, but I definitely hope the developers try to retain as much realism as possible to not have the same type of skins we had in Legacy (e.g. banana rex)

[ashen elm]

Don't be dense then 🙂

[paper oriole]

[frozen heron]

Trying to get back at me with the same thing you dont like isn't the best thing you should do

[ashen elm]

True, I shouldn't be that petty, no reason to stoop to that level when I never insulted anyone in the entire discussion

[frozen heron]

👍

[dense vale]

ya not even just falling off cliffs but many areas i walked in just trying to travel where thres so much bushes i cant see myself and every direction i turn i run into a wall or a slope too steep and im basically soft locked for a few min

[tight oxide]

Let magy be any color it wants

If it choses pink it will let it die faster

[paper oriole]

make magy's skin metalic so it stands out wherever it is

[tight oxide]

Make it be a mirror

Makes magy viable

Reflect that one deino to think its about to fight another deino

[paper oriole]

magy's special ability mirrors what ever dino it faces with it, transforming it in to that dino so it can have an even fight

[main imp]

So basically Ditto

[paper oriole]

yes.

magy be like

https://tenor.com/view/annihilation-humanoid-gif-13621436

[quasi vault]

You enjoy that bubba XD

[lusty seal]

@thorny lynx my goodness 96 upvotes

[thorny lynx]

F r o g

[manic flint]

It's just impossible to disagree with
F r o g

[main imp]

Frog is the next playable

[thorny lynx]

Hatchlings better be this small fr

[barren crater]

@safe hearth unfortunately people here don’t want global chat- even if it’s in a server your own server

[safe hearth]

naturally. that may be so. everyone has their own opinion and is allowed to express it. the devs will decide that.

[barren crater]

True. Hopefully devs can see a large group that would want it

[safe hearth]

just to say: what most people say or want doesn't always have to be the right thing. ;)
When I read what kind of adjustments most people want since the interim update, it has nothing to do with isle or survival but is getting more to the game Battlefield or Fortnite :) the Great Core is lost.

[barren crater]

Hopefully so.

[turbid stratus]

The Devs did decide that. They were the ones that removed global chat to begin with.

[barren crater]

Sure but they shouldn’t remove it for unofficial as well. Let server owners have a choice 🙂

[turbid stratus]

Ye. I don't really see any harm in letting "private" servers enabling it.

[empty epoch]

maybe

[empty epoch]

I don't like global

but I agree

it was a bit too early

[barren crater]

Sure. I don’t really care for it in officials but I would like to be able to type to others in unofficials- whether a test server or a community server.

[limber hull]

the devs see a larger group doesn't

[barren crater]

Well for officials sure- but that doesn’t really matter to those who want it in their own servers.

[barren zephyr]

@tame jetty herbis should not scent bleed, it will be most used to finish injured carnivores, and that is something herbivores are not supposed to do as they are not predators

@dapper mirage i really like what you said, you thought in both herbi players and carni player, asking about making diet easier for herbis without it affecting the recent carnivore changes

[limber hull]

carnivores never got basically any diet changes outside of utah and ptera lmao

[barren zephyr]

@dapper mirage You didnt said anything wrong but even tho, a lot of herbi mains with skill issue didnt liked your suggestion just because you said "carno is fine"

[barren zephyr]

I dont mean carni diet changes, i mean all carni changes

[limber hull]

i honestly do think carni diets NEED to be harder

they're literally a fucking joke