general-feedback-discussion

[paper oriole]

Titanboa fodder animal

[limber hull]

however

funny snake

[paper oriole]

Hmmmmm valid point

[spare hearth]

Titanboa would make for a good ai, just a terrifying snake that wriggles around only seeking genocide

make it like the current boar ai where they track you across the map

[limber hull]

I want playable snake

[grizzled vector]

Do we even need the heat map? You can just play the game and see the places people go or don’t go

[urban flax]

The heat map is for devs, so they don't have to spend 80% of their time playing the game and watching where people go

[bold palm]

none of them make sense, in what way?

[paper oriole]

You suggested 3 animals that live in cold climate

[bold palm]

They all make sense, walrus would be good on beaches, bison are larger so they go in plains, moose are big as well so they go good in forests, if those don't make sense then none of the AI on the game currently make any sense. turtle, pig, dear, goat? The 3 I mention are larger than those 3 things serve essentially the same purpose. Also this is the isle, an island with dinosaurs on it, it's a place where any animal could live technically.

[sick pond]

none of those animal would work well on a tropical island

[bold palm]

it's a game

[sick pond]

ok and

[bold palm]

pick 3 other ones then but we need larger prey

[sick pond]

there are other players

[urban flax]

Well not really, since those animals could actually survive on that island, with temperatures probably ranging between 15 and 30°C. I doubt walruses would.

[paper oriole]

You suggested 3 animals from north america that all live in arcic regions or regions with harsh winters. It being a game isnt an excuse for it to be stupid and thoughtless in what it adds

What next? Polar bears?

[bold palm]

as i said pick another 3 animals then, and your comment was pointless and stupid honestly.

[urban flax]

Realism in a game ? Not important.
Coherence and believability ? Crucial.

[paper oriole]

So was suggesting walrus for the isle

[sick pond]

my comment was stupid? I had no idea

[bold palm]

Miragaia just like to bitch and complain and disagree, so i'm going to go play. peace

[paper oriole]

Personally i dont want larger modern animals that’s my take

[paper oriole]

Lmaoooo

[urban flax]

Larger modern animals would probably instantly die anyway

[paper oriole]

Exactly

[spare hearth]

This dude gets so salty in whatever discussion I see him in lol

[sick pond]

yeah its an island full of dinosaurs already in those niches. the one that makes the most sense is some kind of coastal animal but walruses wouldn't work at all

[spare hearth]

But honestly having the dino ai back will be the best

[paper oriole]

All these dinosaurs would totally crash a modern ecosystem, leaving mostly only fast reproducing or small and flighty animals surviving

[urban flax]

If we were to add 3 more modern animals (too bad Silverfox left and can't read that) I would suggest foxes, monkeys and birds or snakes

[bold palm]

ya it's a waste of time, he has no original thought of his own, instead of providing input, he just bitches... oh well.. back to game.

[paper oriole]

Snakes make sense, birds make sense, animals as small and elusive as foxes make sense

[paper oriole]

Im sorry that someone disagrees with your walrus

[bold palm]

case and point

[spare hearth]

I was talking about you lmao, you name call and j get real mad whereas Miragaia actually says some good points

[sick pond]

when are you going back to the game silverfox

[arctic bolt]

I would like to some some optimization on Envrima.
I go from 80 fps to 30 fps when going fast. When in battle with 4-5+ it goes to 12fps
So many stutters

[spare hearth]

Instead of giving a thoughtful argument back

[signal beacon]

Ah yes let's put a moose in a tropical environment with giant lizards. It will definitely look reasonable

[bold palm]

i don't care if you disagree, but you can at least offer something in return, be constructive, like those animals might not work, but these will, but all you do is just disagree and then be a bitch about it.

[spare hearth]

Fr

[bold palm]

fr i need to play so this is overplayed and just dumb

see you in game.

[urban flax]

I honestly think moose could survive in like, a cold biodome. They're both big and fast enough to not be too afraid of dinos

[sick pond]

he'll be back in like a minute

[spare hearth]

He literally did a little later on bruh, u r like a child the way you react

[spare hearth]

lmao

[paper oriole]

Looks like you have some behavioral double standards in your accusations here

[urban flax]

They're about 700 kg and 60 km/h iirc
But would look super out of place in Spiro's current environment

[signal beacon]

Well here's some constructive criticism.

Try more tropical/arid animal.
Gazelle, wildebeest, etc. These animals would work much better than a cold climate meat sack

[sick pond]

any modern animal ai would have to compete with dinosaurs, keep that in mind

[signal beacon]

Well not meat sack. But carno would make a moose cry

[paper oriole]

Cape penguin in the isle

[signal beacon]

Add polar bears

[spare hearth]

Honestly we'll just have to wait and see how the dino ai turn out

[low canopy]

sloth AI that occasionally drops food items from canopy for herbis to enjoy wen

[paper oriole]

Unironically cape penguin would be better than walrus

[sick pond]

yep

[spare hearth]

whenever they r done working on them and reintroduce them

[urban flax]

Aren't there some species of penguins that handle hot climates very well ?

[paper oriole]

They are south african

[signal beacon]

Who would win. A full grown orca or a max size deinosuchus

[sick pond]

who knows

[arctic bolt]

Add some parakeets for ptera

[spare hearth]

Orca, given their intelligence

[low canopy]

croc would run out of energy like the useless reptile it is and die

[paper oriole]

Theres another penguin from Australia called fairy penguin or something. Better than walrus

[urban flax]

Orcas are better swimmers, so... I'd say in deep water, where it has the advantage of speed and mobility, orca wins
In shallow water or on land, deino definitely wins

[signal beacon]

Yes

[urban flax]

There is one thing that really triggers me with penguins tho... but it's because I'm french

[signal beacon]

Well I mean, obviously it would win on land

[spare hearth]

Explain

[sick pond]

do french people eat penguins or something???

[spare hearth]

plz

[sick pond]

wouldn't put it past them ngl

[urban flax]

I'll try to

In french, this is "un manchot."

[paper oriole]

Cape fur seals better than walruses. Another south african species

[urban flax]

And this is "un pingouin"

[paper oriole]

Precious

[urban flax]

But since in english they're both called "penguins", a lot of french people do the mistake and call "manchots" "pingouins" so when they're faced with an actual pingouin, they're absolutely confused

[barren zephyr]

Yes, a game without those environments

it doesnt make much sense to add fucking walruses unless you want an arctic map

[bold palm]

wow still going huh

[urban flax]

And most french people can't tell the difference between manchots and pingouins at all just because they share the same name in another language

[bold palm]

so what did you decide then?

[spare hearth]

Have moved on, thank you very much

[bold palm]

you're not welcome

lol

take your time

[spare hearth]

Ah I get it now, thx

[bold palm]

so penguins

[spare hearth]

Weird french people get confused from something in another language but ig because english is so popular or sumn

[paper oriole]

Yes. Penguins

Tropical penguins

[bold palm]

gazelles and wilderbeasts

or use dino AI. which was another good suggestion honestly.

[paper oriole]

Idk why they even removed dryo ai

[bold palm]

gazelle are tiny though

[paper oriole]

The other ai was the problem

[bold palm]

need some stuff that is larger

[paper oriole]

Dryo ai was basically just reptile deer ai

Like why remove it

[bold palm]

for like full grown carnos and eventually when rex and giga are in game etc

[paper oriole]

Rex and giga shouldnt be sustaining themselves with ai

Apex predators should be strongly encouraged to pvp especially once theyre done with juvi stage

[barren zephyr]

Deer and boars are sufficient

dinosaurs (be it ai or players) should be forming a bulk of the ecosystem

[bold palm]

carno full deer give hardly anything though

like 2 bites

[paper oriole]

Thats a food value problem partially

[low canopy]

dino ai will make return later on, with current server slots it would be impossible to support all factions

[barren zephyr]

^ this

[bold palm]

ya should be like 1 deer would give you a good fill on carno it's larger than the carno stomach

[barren zephyr]

its still a balance related issue

[bold palm]

2-3 deer or goat should fill up a carno

1 boar, but boar isn't diet item

[barren zephyr]

...?

[bold palm]

for carno

boar isn't diet item, unless they changed it in the last day or so

but ya balance issues for sure

[barren zephyr]

we just dont need more non-dinosaur AI species exactly

[manic flint]

Imo spino shouldn't be able to sustain itself on fish either

[barren zephyr]

the only exception I can come up with is possibly sea lions or fur seals, and even then we already have turtles on beaches

[manic flint]

Coastal niche delegation

[barren zephyr]

?

[manic flint]

That's being fixed

[bold palm]

i was just thinking a big fat walrus would be fun to hunt and could give tons of food, or maybe just something like sharks in the ocean, but they don't come on land obviously. sea lions would be cool, but ya small.

[barren zephyr]

If you want that, sea lions can fit the role perfectly

they are actually pretty damn big

[bold palm]

as long as they fix the issue with everything swimming at 90mph

how big do they get?

200lbs?

[barren zephyr]

so 181 kilos at max in the case of males

its a decent meal for something like a raptor, cerato or a carno

[bold palm]

ya raptor doesn't have much issue with food

the drain is super slow

[low canopy]

it would be coastal, unlikely u see any super predators at coasts

[manic flint]

We don't see anything at coast cause there's a mountain and cliff in the way

[bold palm]

ya was just going to say depends on how easy they make it to get to the coast.

wonder what they have planned for the ocean

sharks, orcas? Whales?

[honest sparrow]

I mean does it necessarily matter? Not like we’re really going to be able to go into the ocean unless an aquatic dlc comes out, and that’ll be the year 2078

[urban flax]

Right after we get Cyberpunk in real life

[subtle ruin]

Hey guys, do you know when wii be the new map on live servers???

[uneven mist]

When the balance patch drops but we dont know when

[subtle ruin]

ahhhhh :/

[mint girder]

How would it catch things

[manic flint]

It would hunt literally anything
Cherry, Deino, etc

[light yarrow]

I definitely believe there are 3 major things holding me back from switching fully to evrima:

1. Bigger scarier carnivores! There isn't anything more terrifying than hearing huge footsteps coming towards you.

2. Skin customization (I know we are getting this hopefully soon)

3. My computer not sounding like it's about to take off when playing. (My PC is a good one even)
   Also, I agree that there should be more than just palm trees and a few bushes in the open places. I find myself not even wanting to risk going out there because of the lack of coverage....

[manic flint]

1. Too bad we aren't getting those for a very long time. Carno is the biggest terrestrial carnivore we are getting, Deino the biggest playable carnivore. Rex is going to be AI. The roster can't handle a big carnivore.

2. That's next update

3. That's just optimization, being worked on presently.

[manic flint]

Here is the evrima roster (rex is AI)

[warm flame]

@cedar glen alligators commonly eat other alligators, so do crocodiles

I would send proof of it but I don't think it'd be allowed because of rule 5

[sick dirge]

Rex is confirmed be AI only?

[uneven mist]

No rex wil be playable but it wil be ai first

[sick dirge]

Ahh ok thanks

Got scared for a sec

[uneven mist]

Pue is the only dino from legacy that wont make it to evrima

[sick dirge]

R.I.P.

They’re bringing back Cama though?

[icy lion]

Everything from legacy (including sandbox creatures) is returning except puertasaurus

[limber hull]

i really like watching people get extremely hostile over people disagreeing with them on minor suggestions lmao this chat has been a ride

[copper geode]

Isle players

[sick dirge]

W

[wooden mica]

oof people dont like my feedback, but why? all im saying is, we gotta stay hydrated my friends

[limber hull]

rivers

they are adding more rivers so you still can stay hydrated without the need for oasis or shallows

[wooden mica]

ok so thats to the oasis part, but you gotta agree with me here, shallows should just vibe for the serenity

[limber hull]

They are nice looking but they suffer the same issue of "viable water source"

[wooden mica]

bruh, at this rate there will be no shallow water, its gonna get old so fast

[limber hull]

Nah man, no shallow water means people actually going places

[wooden mica]

also the rivers are closer than shallows so surely keeping for aesthetics is good, they want pretty game shit

[limber hull]

i can only stay around a puddle for so long before i start to hate it

[wooden mica]

Anyway this just brings me back i guess to the other day, removing shallow water from everywhere is just gonna piss people off in the long run, who arent the group of people who play deino

[limber hull]

i want to explore more than 10% of the map without starving because all the food and water is in one dumb place

[wooden mica]

the ones who yell the loudest "WE CANT HUNT IN SHALLOW SO GET RID"

Its gonna be so stale tho, no shallow water for RP, no shallows to vibe in

thats lame af

[limber hull]

Oasis sucked for more than just deinos. It was outright impossible to hunt anything as any carnivore because ALL herbivores stayed around oasis

[wooden mica]

no no, im not talking about oasis here

[limber hull]

And as a herbivore you couldn't explore because all your food was near, you guessed it, oasis

[wooden mica]

im just saying shallow water in general, its going the way of no shallow water anywhere

[limber hull]

I mean, it's more interesting than having a single thing of shallow water that no one ever fucking leaves

[wooden mica]

I dont want the choice to be on land or im swimming, no dip the toes

its about the RP my guy, like, anything not deino gets kicked to the curb, no water play for you, drink n leave, what is this, strict private servers?

[limber hull]

frankly im so bored of shallow water as all animals i fully embrace this

[wooden mica]

also, whens the last time you saw an expanse of land as big (in theory) as envrima, with no shallow water, at all

[limber hull]

idk i dont visit large expanses of uninhabited land but i'll tell you what, it's probably more likely than you think

[wooden mica]

theres at least going to be intermittent pools during rain but i doubt that will ever be a thing

I mean, it seems to be about the size if not a bit smaller than tasmania, australia, where i live

and theres shallows, theres deep rivers n dams

[limber hull]

i also live in aus and that is NOT a good example of "large rivers"

[wooden mica]

bruuuh you been in some of those rivers

[limber hull]

this place is the second driest continent on earth

[wooden mica]

😉

well my point being, theres diversity in water depth

having only deep water is stale, boring and pandering to the deinos to a degree

ill also just add, you wont change my mind, i will always advocate for water diversity, sorry fam

Dm be gentle, pls, youve been typing for ages lol

[keen bough]

They are literally making it in the weather update so water raises and lowers, in the update you will have too much water lol, they said floods is gonna be a thing as well as droughts, fires ect

[gritty helm]

the only reason shallow area's "should" be put back in is when droughts are a thing that gradually drains them over time so that way there's at least some breaks from constantly worrying about Deino. otherwise they have no reason to exist currently since players will just flock to these guaranteed safe spots as we've seen with both shallows and oasis

[keen bough]

Whoops responded to the wrong comment

[keen bough]

This is what I wanted to respond to lol

[wooden mica]

what if we just, remove all the players, cant have people flocking to one spot if theres no one to flock

double ping

[gritty helm]

yes, shallow area's primarily hurt Deino gameplay but having one hotspot is generally more boring than multiple area's players flock to for activity

[wooden mica]

anyway, people are gonna flock, no matter what, no matter where, theres always safety in numbers first and foremost

weve seen it time and again, on every map rendition weve had, since the old days, people flock to one or 2 spots, its where the friends are, its an easy spot to get to or even the food or water, flocking happens.

the best this will do is stop the incessant deino complaints about specifically oasis

I wont hold my breath that the next place people flock to, that has water, and lots of herbis who protect eachother.... wont have deinos begin taking up arms again

[gritty helm]

no one's saying there shouldn't be any kind of hotspot in the map. just that it shouldn't be like shallows and oasis

[keen bough]

Also a higher abundance of said hotspots would be nice too

[wooden mica]

Yeah but as I said, people will always go to the same place, until they take it away, then they find the new one spot, rinse and repeat, for several years

[tight oxide]

people camping shallows was old

[wooden mica]

the question then becomes, at what point will the same routine finally end, when will the devs finally be like "ok weve changed it X amount of times, thats enough deal with it"

[tight oxide]

[tight oxide]

probably when a heat map shows that everyone is exploring

though if rivers are more common then i guess exploration would be easier than it is now

[wooden mica]

It will never come to fruition like that though, as the days draw on people will congregate in one spot again

creatures of habit as we are, we find the easiest way and then we stay with that

games aside for that one

[tight oxide]

i mean them making diet plants not all stay one spot already should help sperate ppl

[wooden mica]

we can only hope i guess

I guess a nice alternative would be water only baby and juvie dinos can drink, they are already pointing it in the direction of being nigh impossible to live as a baby in the future if you dont have a gang already, so at least the water for the babies

think of the children... the children i say

[tight oxide]

They said impossible for apex juvies

Pretty sure juvie utah if anything would be easier to grow when climbing comes

[paper oriole]

did that guy just say crocs are not cannibals

not only would it make deino's life harder but crocs ARE in fact cannibals

deinos are gonna kill other deinos even if they cant eat the body, youd just have more starving deinos

its already a bore to play

sit by an ambush spot in an active area to see somebody drink 500 yards away lmao

finally catch something, get like 30% food, hope its on your diet

if they dont wanna get cannibalized they should play something else, even herbis and utahs kfs eachother so they aint gonna be happy anyway

yeah then they can just fly away from anything and never deal with pvp in a pvp survival game

also wtf does he want taco ai back

[urban flax]

Taco AI would be great

[paper oriole]

hard to explore with no tacos when you spawn in hungry? sea turtles and boars are the effortless free full diet for juvis

[urban flax]

If it could burrow and had poisonous quills

[paper oriole]

god i hope taco gets advanced burrowing

he deserves better burrows than anyone else

nah thats why he needs advanced burrowing

no way they can make taco fast with those stubby ass little legs

quills thoe

just shove its spiny ass in velo's face

ehh could troodon even git in a taco burrow

[limber hull]

taco playable however is far greater

[tight oxide]

I remember someone say deino should only get nutrients from already dead ones and not ones you killed

[paper oriole]

LMAO i remember that

i was there arguing with them

[tight oxide]

Man we get lots of uh.. lots of special ideas here

[paper oriole]

i think i have it in my archives

[tight oxide]

Show

[tight oxide]

I would rather make canniblelism less horrible to your diet tbh

[paper oriole]

imo for a lot of carnis, cannibalism shouldnt punish, it just shouldnt reward

[tight oxide]

If you're gonna kill your kind for fun at least let the killer eat you

Kinda sucks to lose your silence and get debuffs for eating when you needed or etc

[paper oriole]

for some highly social carnis i understand but most others shouldnt be so discriminate, they're reptiles after all

[tight oxide]

Even irl

If you eat your own kind you dont really get sick

[paper oriole]

in cases where cannibalism causes sickness it also takes quite a lot of it

cus pt is a throwaway animal

[tight oxide]

No one ever talked about it lol

Would be funny tho

[paper oriole]

lol i killed a fresh spawn pt with mine and just carried his body off and threw it in the ocean

[tight oxide]

Packing already beats the pros of being a cannible

So adding debuffs is dumb

[paper oriole]

his body stretched and glitched out while it fell, prime entertaiment. woulda been nice if i coulda eaten him without beig punished

[tight oxide]

proceed to both collide

[paper oriole]

ram in to spam caller pts, do the server a service

[tight oxide]

I remember pouncing a ptera and it took off to hundreds of meters and when i fell i didnt die somehow

[paper oriole]

the isle

[tight oxide]

Suicide to save the world

[paper oriole]

kamikaze

[tight oxide]

Magy is viable bruv

[paper oriole]

a lot of PT players still waste hella stam too so its funny when they actually drop all the way, try to do it over rivers so maybe you can do a deino a favor

[paper oriole]

wrong opinion

[tight oxide]

Verticle lunge is the buff deino needs cus bird go dead

[last lily]

^

[paper oriole]

skunk magy and sea cucumber magy are the only good endings for magy

[last lily]

Yautja Magy

[tight oxide]

B-but magy faster than allo and has a 50 50 with cerato (thats if you find a solo cera somehow) plus magy taste bad

[paper oriole]

did kissen ever follow up after saying magy was gonna be fast and the reel proving her comment wrong

[tight oxide]

Just make eating magy insta oof you and smelling it makes you vomit

Then you wont bother it as much

[last lily]

Give Magy invisibility, omnivore diet, and laser cannon. And able to hang up apex corpses from trees.

[tight oxide]

That poor carnivore who smelled magy

[paper oriole]

make it so if you bite a magy it summons a meteor strike at your location

[tight oxide]

Make magy be a type h dino at 100% ggez

[paper oriole]

win win situation

[sacred moat]

something that would be interesting is chameleon magy

[paper oriole]

i made a suggestion for chameleon magy a while back

[tight oxide]

Make it so seeing magy causes server crash that resets everyones dino

[paper oriole]

maybe i can find it

[sacred moat]

lemme see pls

[last lily]

Slender Magy. Distorts player view and causes death if you look at it too lonng.

[tight oxide]

And let magy teleport too

[paper oriole]

#general-feedback message

[tight oxide]

And make it so it teleports you to fnaf 1

And you have to close doors to not get magy jumpscare

[paper oriole]

i like the 10 puke reacts lmao

[last lily]

Magyaorosaurus, the 8 Dondis

[tight oxide]

All magys go to heaven

[sacred moat]

oooh i see, that suggestion was pretty good. BUT the new scent system would fuck it over so badly

[paper oriole]

yeah new scent system op lol

[tight oxide]

Imagine rex walking you down until you have no stamina and to be at its mercy

Cus of scent system

[paper oriole]

magy's future

[last lily]

Terminator Tyrannosaurus Rex

[paper oriole]

they took the giga problem from legacy and made it possible for almost any carni with good mobility

[last lily]

Endurance Rex is honestly horrifying.

[tight oxide]

Make giga bleed out anything ingame including cama in one bite

[paper oriole]

bring in gigashark

[tight oxide]

Let rex break all your bones with a bite to the tail

[last lily]

Like the good ol days.

[paper oriole]

i think once somebody suggested re bite to literally explode things

imma see if i can find it

[tight oxide]

Let spino have infinite stamina and break bones

[limber hull]

Make magy smell bad too so it’s harder to track lmao

[sacred moat]

let rex throw its hit box at you bc it violently shook its head in a circle

[tight oxide]

Make it so smelling it causes vomiting ggez

Eating means insta death

Magy becomes 10% more viable

[sacred moat]

wouldnt that make it easier to track?

[tight oxide]

Let rex tail have a bite hitbox

[tight oxide]

Yes but it taste bad

Magy will be fine

[paper oriole]

damn i couldnt find it

but on the topic of rex

[sacred moat]

MILK

[tight oxide]

So unreal 5 could let isla spereo return?

[tight oxide]

Humans will counter it by drinking it

Dw guys

[paper oriole]

spino absorbs the milk banjo

[tight oxide]

Spino is the milk banjo

[paper oriole]

waterbend the milk banjo

[tight oxide]

Let giga be able to make mountains of poop to let it have the high ground

In update 10047372 ofc

[paper oriole]

ark giga with maximum poop interval setting

[tight oxide]

Give isle giga beserk mode

[paper oriole]

it lags the whole server but is immune to the lag itself

upsize giga to ark giga size

[tight oxide]

Let humans summon ponies with the power of friendship

[paper oriole]

humans can tame the boars and ride them

[tight oxide]

These ponies should be able to shoot lazers at the dinosaurs

[last lily]

Give Giganotosaurus the ability to pick up T.Wreck's and throw it despite T.Rex weighing more.(this is a joke)

[paper oriole]

we can fix that with the much needed ark upsize

[tight oxide]

Let giga face tank rex

Even with giga weaker bite

[last lily]

God... remember when they gave Giga BONEBREAK in Legacy??

[tight oxide]

That was op

[paper oriole]

give giga fracture and bleed and make him immune to fracture if he eats enough protein shake ai

[tight oxide]

Let giga shoot venom into already wounded victems causing insta death

Let giga have camoflauge

Let giga be semi aquatic

Let giga be able to have an atomic breath

Make giga 100m tall

[paper oriole]

give giga a proportionate hypsi level jump and utah style pounce ability so it can properly 1v1 brachiosaurus like he did irl

[sacred moat]

spino moment

[tight oxide]

Spino is rex halloween costume

[paper oriole]

we don't need spino, spino is obsolete

[tight oxide]

Add godzilla tho

[paper oriole]

giga can be both spino and rex

[tight oxide]

Godzilla very viable and balanced

[paper oriole]

yeah but hes a bit op so he should have a 30 minute longer growth than allo

[tight oxide]

Just make it so humans can craft the oxygen destroyer and put it in a water source godzilla chills at

Thus allowing godzilla to get insta killed

[tight oxide]

Make him grow faster than compy

[cedar quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/clash-of-clans-hog-rider-minecraft-pig-hog-gif-18667885

[keen bough]

Compy doesn't have growth lolololol

[tight oxide]

Thats the point...

[keen bough]

Might as well rename the isle to kaiju universe

Oh I know make it a dev creature and when things get out of hand the Devs will zapify everything in existence

[paper oriole]

Another beautiful addition to my archives

https://tenor.com/view/meme-collection-robot-gif-12434608

[signal beacon]

I had one bad experience that was completely out of the devs control. BAD GAME BAD DEVS IMMA PLAY BOB!!!!!+++!+!!!!!!!+!!!+++++++!!!!+!!!!!!!!

[paper oriole]

I love how he sited PoT where the revenge kill and alt dino problem is 1000x worse

[manic flint]

You gotta give me that collection

I wanna re experience them

[paper oriole]

Ill probably make a video compilation soon i have a decent buildup

[manic flint]

Nice

Make sure to include this

[paper oriole]

His feedback disappeared. I am saddened at the thought of how much gold i am not here to catch on time

Hmm yes i should add that

[manic flint]

It'll be 60/40 MrBlunt submissions in your video

[paper oriole]

I wonder how much blunt feedback is in my archive lol i know theres some good frosty feedbacks in there

[manic flint]

👌

[signal beacon]

That conversation with blunt was the most braindead conversation I've ever had the misfortune of participating in

[paper oriole]

It was pretty high up there

Though i have seen worse

[manic flint]

I've had the displeasure of being in many balance conversations with him so I cant say that
I'm not sure about his ideas of balance

[icy lion]

Don't insult people

[signal beacon]

Blunt is frosty 2

[icy lion]

I don't care how much you disagree with someone, it's no excuse to belittle them

[signal beacon]

Ok sorry

[icy lion]

I believe I've already given you two this warning @paper oriole @manic flint

[paper oriole]

Wait when

I didnt insult anyone here

I just said i collected his feedback cus its funny

[manic flint]

I just said I disagreed with his all ideas so far
I made sure to not insult him this time

[signal beacon]

My internet died when I tried to say this and when it came back and I saw the blue name I cried inside a little

[paper oriole]

I meant where was my insult

I was talking about feedback

[icy lion]

Saying you're collecting feedback because it's "funny" is extremely belittling and has no purpose being discussed in this server

[paper oriole]

I suppose, i'll stop that ig

[icy lion]

All it shows is that these people's opinions have no value outside of giving you a laugh

Thank you

[manic flint]

I don't understand why people still think Carno should be super strong
I honestly don't understand anymore

It's like because carno is 200kg heavier it's automatically 10 times stronger in their minds or something

Teno should be the max size prey
And even that should be a bad idea to engage without a good plan/ambush

2 carnos take a teno, 1 carno may die
1 carno with a charge is like a 50/50

If the teno sees it though it's definitely teno favour

The win condition of herbivores should be to spot the carnivore
The win condition of the carnivore is to get a good ambush (this only applies if they are the same approximate size)

Of course the actual combat requires skill

But being seen or not throws the benefit of the engagement into the herbis and carnis respectively

Teno wins 60/40 ish if it spots the carno
If carno gets a charge ambush, the odds go to 50/50
If the carno brings a friend the odds go to 30/70
And so on

[signal beacon]

B-but carno is slightly heavier?! It needs to grab teno and pin it to insta kill it because its realistic???!!!

[manic flint]

B-b-but it's the apex?n?! It h-has to be as-as strong as Rex

Roster issue lol

Lets

[signal beacon]

Aka the worse dilo

[manic flint]

Stamina draining venom

Very OP against teno

[signal beacon]

Troodon: has overused boring stamina draining venom.

Dilo: cool hallucinogenic venom that cause the prey to be disoriented so the dilo can bite more

[manic flint]

3 troodons kill a teno

[signal beacon]

Teno can 2-3 shot troodon with its bite

Teno turn speed

[manic flint]

Troodon low profiles all tenos moves

[signal beacon]

Anyone who thinks less than 5 troodon could kill a teno are on something

[manic flint]

Maybe a juvie..

Bro just upsize Troodon to stenony size

[low canopy]

i like how you have tag about magy being useless whilst simultaniously advocating for troodon of all things

[signal beacon]

The concept arts tend to be bias towards the subject to show it off (which is reasonable)

[manic flint]

How big is Troodon again?

[signal beacon]

35 kilos

[manic flint]

Upsize to 50kg for stenony so teno bite doesn't 1 shot it

[low canopy]

+apply almost certain head hits due to small size

[signal beacon]

I really think troodon could only be either way to strong or absolutely useless.

They picked the worst niche for troodon.

But "they had venomous troodon in the movies"

[manic flint]

Use the Alaskan one

[low canopy]

personally i dont see much value in troodon aside from having interactions with humans such as climbing ventilation shafts and stuff

[manic flint]

That was 4 meters long and 2 meters tall

[signal beacon]

So then no more horde troodon and we are left with worse dilo

[manic flint]

Damn
Use the other one
Not Steny but the other one

[signal beacon]

How big is that one?

[manic flint]

1 meter tall

[signal beacon]

I personally think that troodon is an overused animal that has no place in the game

[signal beacon]

Okay... still no horde troodon. And it would end up as a weird life child of utah and dilo

[manic flint]

Damn

[signal beacon]

We either get huge pack paper mache troodon (unviable) or dilo clone

[manic flint]

We either have 35kg trood, 50kg stenony, laty, or alaskan

No good options really

[signal beacon]

Troodon is...

1. A waste of server slots

2. An unviable mess that would need to be unreasonably strong to serve its niche

3. A washed up dilo if they upsize it.

Troodon is just a mess that was probably only added cause it was popular

[manic flint]

It's a novel idea but it won't work at all

Unfortunately

Trood is pretty small

Smaller than all these
But supposed to fight teno???

[tame jetty]

@summer phoenix the global chat could be made costumizeable thru server configuration, so the community of each server could choose to have it enabled or not? offical ofc disabled as default lol

[summer phoenix]

well yea pretty much, and im also just suggesting global chat for just in general not for just nesting purposes

[tame jetty]

@signal beacon by the way, what if you're already in game? how will you be able to know there's eggs available since you can't enter character menu without being dead? 🤔

[tame jetty]

I don't know about that tho.. might be used easier for targeting because everything is closer and everyone around you know that too?

[signal beacon]

Well you already have a dino. If you could take eggs while in game imagine all the body denying. And if your dino dropped dead if you took an egg, people would be constantly feeding themselves to others like that

[summer phoenix]

in which if that nest button is for looking at other nest then my mistake, in which i thought before that button was originally for looking at your own nest, sense its been said before that you can invite people to your nest, rather than pick and choose.

[tame jetty]

Hm, thats true points. I would like if the devs then made a HUD or Menu you can check while in game, to see available eggs and then decide if you want to keep on playing your animal, or kill yourself ig because no other way to get egg.. 🤷🏼 😅

[signal beacon]

I think nesting will be like

1. Person is in character select screen.

2. They click on nest

3. They look for a nest of a dino they want to play.

4. They click on it and request to join.

5. The parents decide weather or not to let you join

6. If they accept you, you then get nested in

[summer phoenix]

i mean to be honest, thats actually a pretty good and simple idea, to where theres little to no problems

[paper oriole]

Ew rng infections

Also literally punishing somebody for defending themself

[signal beacon]

Oh you killed your attacker? Here are some debuffs

[paper oriole]

Some stupid ass velo bit your para and you oneshot it? Too bad, time for infection

You are forced to stand your ground and trade hits as a slow defensive herbivore? Punishment for existing

[signal beacon]

One of his reasons is literally "so herbivores dont kill carnivores and chose to run and injure"

[paper oriole]

That kind of mindset just makes me cringe

All the slower herbivores should be running away from me rawr xd why do herbivores fight they eat grass they should just run and die

How the hell is a trike supposed to run? A stego? An anky? Literally any herbivore slower than its predators? With the OP as shit tracking system that carnis have now especially?

And why should they run, they have weapons

[signal beacon]

This is on par with "pachy should only be crippling utah then running away"

[paper oriole]

Herbivores should be pacifists that always give their vicious killers a second chance! And a third chance… and a- ope now that got them killed

[signal beacon]

They literally asked to prevent herbivores from tanking hits. Well fuck anky, trike, shant, sauropods, literally every large herbivore

[potent arrow]

lol, its no like you would get an infection right away. there would be a decent amount of time to get to a mud pool to wallow

[signal beacon]

Still. It's super punishing for animals merely defending themselves

[paper oriole]

“You wouldn’t get it right away” means jack shit. You are being punished for defending yourself, especially against shit you cant run from

Why should i wallow every time some stupid rat scrapes me

[signal beacon]

If you dont wallow right after a fight you become useless

There are so many herbivores that specialize in soaking damage. They are ment to tank hits

[paper oriole]

Another layer of unfun, tedious and useless bs that's all that would be

Sounds pretty damn exploitable too

[potent arrow]

the idea was to give some more risk to fights and was thought up for a couple of minutes, so yeah. Just wanted to get the idea out there

[paper oriole]

We don’t need heavily faction skewed rng bs to do that

[tight oxide]

What is rng...

[paper oriole]

Random number generator. Basically, its legacy fracture, or drop chances on raid bosses. % chance something will happen

The kind of system that can punish somebody who kills a boss 100 times by giving them nothing, but then someone can get lucky on their first try. It is even more terrible in combat situations

lol i would totally take eggs and then kms just to debuff some poor nester out of boredom

Exploitable

[urban flax]

Also I don't think buffs for nesting are a good idea
I always say realism is secondary in videogames, but getting buffs from nesting really sounds too gamey

Debuffs for having babies die is even worse

[paper oriole]

Debuffs for dead babies sounds like trollbait

In legacy i often saw people nest-hop or kill themselves just to annoy nesters for the lols, this just sounds like another method to add to the list

[tight oxide]

ah yes when your baby dies your dino gains permanent depression

it explains why the debuff

[wooden mica]

heres a not so hot, hot take.... fresh spawns are being shafted, if youre unlucky you spawn in a place where youll die of starvation or dehydration, if youre mega unlucky, youll die quickly to either spawn camping or chad-boars... something to help baby dinos survive would be more beneficial, than the punishment they will be/are getting. or as mentioned, increase them spawn zones

[wooden mica]

stego courting just made me sad more than anything

[distant storm]

Stego should prioritize its plates as the attraction tool. Even lifting or curling its tail to really show its strong-health as a suitable mate.

Likewise I wish there was short aggression or retaliatory animations if two males did the calls to each other. If a male performed the mating invite to another male it would be aggressive and the rival male's response was threatening.

This could then start the challenger/alpha fights instead of nesting.

[warm flame]

the threaten roar works better as a courting animation than the actual court animation

[distant storm]

Exactly

[tight oxide]

Why doesnt stego flex its plates or tail
Why doesnt carno flex its horns
Why doesnt utah flex its atheletic body to show its in its prime
Why doesnt teno show how powerful it is to be worthy of a mate
Why doesnt deino use mating animations based on irl gators instead of looking like an aggro
Why doesnt hypi focus more on showing its feathers and its ear thing

[warm flame]

this about perfectly fits a suggestion for courting anims I made a while ago

[wooden mica]

carno.. .flex its horns? those arent appendages my guy, aint no movin those spoilers

[warm flame]

I bet pachy's courting is just gonna be some head shake

[limber hull]

Why do people want the 6 ton animal to wave stagnant plates around like they're fingers lmao. Stego's court anim fits perfectly with stego, it's a huge, bulky creature

[wooden mica]

head shake maybe a bow

pachy be a showman

[warm flame]

the plates shake a bunch as it walks

[tight oxide]

Stego wallow animation

[wooden mica]

I think it should go sideways to show you know, full glory

[warm flame]

glass shatter

[tight oxide]

Dont think stego flexing its plates more would ruin it that much...

[wooden mica]

think, cat doing that side walking threat pose, but stego

ayo its crab-eggo

[tight oxide]

They should make so when stego falls on something during the animation said thing dies

[warm flame]

doesn't need to flex its plates, just have them wobble around like in the walk animation

[tight oxide]

Also what happened to that female stego model?

[wooden mica]

I also think its sound should be like, low throaty sound, like that bird in NZ that makes the pit where it bellows for miles

[warm flame]

mystery

[tight oxide]

I wonder how broken would random birth defects or mutations be

Like imagine finding an oddly large utah

[wooden mica]

birth defects is a no from me fam

we dont need THAT much realism

also, rng would be such a bitch, people would just spam kill themselves til they werent shafted

[warm flame]

a utah with a spinosaurus spine
mom's gonna have some explaining to do

[tight oxide]

ik we dont but im just saying a what if world

still would be irl levels of rare i hope so eh

[tight oxide]

how would that even work...

[warm flame]

please, don't make me go in detail

[tight oxide]

so that...

[warm flame]

[tight oxide]

im concerned

[warm flame]

ripping and tearing

[merry mantle]

[grizzled vector]

NA1 went down at a vital time

[empty epoch]

@paper oriole We're getting Courting #phase-two-archive forever

we have to deal with this reality

[paper oriole]

[empty epoch]

[paper oriole]

please devs have mercy

[lyric spoke]

Ngl birth defects is one of the funniest and most genuinely interesting suggestions I've heard of.

I think it honestly would be fine if it was only 2 or 3 mutations with more subtle tradeoffs, maybe even special skin/pattern mutations

[tight oxide]

I hope at least nesting an albino baby or megalistic one is possible by chance

[paper oriole]

pt is already a braindead playable and this dude wants it to be even more braindead lol

[sacred moat]

No fr

[paper oriole]

also if anything, survival hindering defects like albinish/leucism should be limited to nesters with bad health, if anything. and people should be able to see the colors, perks and condition of the parents in the nesting menu so they can pick their risks

would suck to take and egg and get slapped with an albino skin with no way to avoid the risk

could just not look at the parents' info to do that lol

and if you pick parents with shit conditions or bad egg conditions then you might get slapped with an all white "eat me" skin

melanistic is arguably less damning than an albino skin especially for a forest animal

[honest sparrow]

All I’m saying

[tidal rose]

@limber hull the plates swing around like crazy when walking and running especially the ones on the tail in game, so i figured the devs wanted to make them seem more flexible, and if they be flexible then why not give them the ability to move em

[last lily]

There's a difference between jiggling due to movement and flexing plates like there's muscle dedicated to moving them. Stego courting animal still lame as hell though, as it's basically just a nod. I think something more along the lines of the male showing off its side, slightly raising its tail and subtly curling it while shaking its body a little bit added with a loud gutteral gurgle/bellow and light clawing at the ground would be better.

Shows off the male's size, health and signature features(plates and thagomizers).

This isn't really dedicated towards any single one person so much as just the idea of Stego twitching and intentionally flexing its plates like fingers.

[paper oriole]

Yes.

[paper oriole]

For magy's court it should just die

[barren zephyr]

Melanism actually increases success rates for some predatory animals like jaguars

and overall melanistic animals have greater fitness

[paper oriole]

for magy's courting animation it should just spontaniously combust, sending itself and hopefully its targeted mate back to the selection screen

[paper oriole]

yeah its not bad for forest and nocturnal animals where they can blend in with the shadows easier, it would kinda suck for a coastal or arid animal though

each magy egg should have a set percent chance to explode, destroying the entire nest

[signal beacon]

When magy spawns it dies

Bam problem solved

[paper oriole]

good ending

[tight oxide]

When you select magy your game should crash

Ggez

[paper oriole]

instead of loading in as a magy the game just crashes and uninstalls

[tight oxide]

Hovering your mouse over magy on character select should brick your pc

What if magy...

Elder made him bigger than a brachi

But kept same stats

[paper oriole]

if somebody hits elder on magy then 69 random files on their computer are wiped

[tight oxide]

Dw guys magy taste bad will save your files

[paper oriole]

magy will make your files taste bad so they dont work

[tight oxide]

When magy comes out ima make a army of ceras to hunt them to extinction since magy gonna be faster than giga

[paper oriole]

im not even gonna go cera to do it im gonna bait magy as stuff like kentro or tenonto and then kick its ass

then leave their body to rot away in the hot sun

[tight oxide]

Dw cera will eat it

[paper oriole]

i can feed my cera friends

i'll buy cera bodyguards with the corpses of magy

magy will be currency in the isle

[tight oxide]

Cera: thats 5 magy bucks teno....
Teno: ill pay extra proceeds to pull out 100 magy bucks
Cera: heh thats what i like to see
Teno: okay i think should be enough for you to bodyguard against utahs

Gonna have to record each kill... rip lower end pc's

[barren zephyr]

Lol

[paper oriole]

a true econnomic utopia

[tight oxide]

Humans gonna find a way to make magy bucks value lower

[paper oriole]

mercs are going to hunt magy to sell their neck flaps on the chinese black market

[tight oxide]

Bary vs cera hmmm

Bary vs cera who wins in the isle evrima...

[paper oriole]

bary looks more bleedy while cera looks like a raw damage guy so cera would probably win initially, depending on how fast bary is

either way, magy dies

[tight oxide]

Amarga would of been a cool choice for a herbivore imo

[paper oriole]

amarga, shuno, or baja. even ampelo woulda been cooler

they look cooler and actually have built in defense

[tight oxide]

Amarga though has funny spines

So more memorable

[paper oriole]

even that weird sauro with the short neck woulda been cooler, brachy something

amarga and baja both have spike mohawks

baja's face forward, amarga's face backward

[tight oxide]

Amarga and baja could of had fast hitting neck attacks...

That do bleeeeed

[paper oriole]

im excited for it, closest thing im gonna get to miragaia

[tight oxide]

Ppl take the whole defense of it too far imo

[paper oriole]

miragaia is like 3 tons i think and it has a long ass neck

[tight oxide]

I think utahs could still pounce kentro if they aim right

[paper oriole]

thing is, utah pounce cant be aimed because it has a socket

[tight oxide]

Sounds like pounce needs a bit more things

[paper oriole]

it really does

but i dont mind kentro being basically pounce-proof. not everything needs to be able to be attacked one way

however they go about it

rex when it picks up a kentro

i mean, the kentro would still die to rex

but taking reflective damage might be a good deterrent, the harder you hit, the more damage you take back from kentro

so it might just not be worth the effort for a tiny meal

[honest sparrow]

Amarga and Bajada get absolutley

[gleaming topaz]

Invert camera is the same as invert mouse?

[scenic cipher]

Hey, does anybody have a problen with camera not turning around at all?

[icy lion]

For those of you experiencing issues with your keybindings or other controls;

While the game is closed

• Press Windows key
  -Type %localappdata% and press enter
• Find the folder called TheIsle
• Delete the folder
  Relaunch the game

[scenic cipher]

Thank you fixed for me 😁

[unreal plover]

this game

are we getting pranked

trolled even?

fuckin

removed shallows, great, makes 1/3 of center completely shallow

@weak hill why do you disagree with sinos suggestion if you dont mind me asking?

[weak hill]

I actually don’t like that they got rid of a lot of the shallow areas (I say this as someone who has played somewhere between 30-40 hours of deino). I felt that the shallower areas created a nice dynamic growing up as a deino. There were certain spots an adult deino could never wait to ambush but 75% and below could. I do think that it was too extreme and I would have liked them to make some more deeper areas, or even just some deeper channels to move around easier.

I think the shallow area at oasis was way too much and one of the worst parts of that area but as far as the rivers I like it @unreal plover

[unreal plover]

they're full of little shallow patches that make it so deinos cant patrol stealthily, easy crossing for any other dinos, for balance all rivers should be deep imo. having a spot where you always know you can drink safe from deinos is bad map design

[paper oriole]

Imo they probably coulda just added some deep pockets to that stretch rather than outright remove that scenic area. Oasis had to go but that river area looked very nice

Even deepening the whole stretch would have been preferable to deleting it

[unreal plover]

yea they really couldve just made it deeper

[tight oxide]

my utah cant eat hyelp

[paper oriole]

Did you try turning it off and back on again

[tight oxide]

turning what on and off

[sturdy widget]

Did they remove the whole gorge?

[weak hill]

I don’t agree with that either. Having safe spots from deinos that people lean towards creates spots for other carnivores as well, and in the future gives bary a place to rule. I just personally think it creates a healthier ecosystem for the whole roster. Once again it’s not that I don’t think the rivers needed tweaked for deinos, I think they did, but I don’t think having shallow spots totally invalidates deino, I ambushed plenty of Dino’s drinking while oasis existed, I’m sure I will continue to with a few spots of rivers being shallow
PS: I totally understand why you and many other people feel differently about it, and respect why they feel that way, it’s just not how I personally feel about it.

[wooden mica]

just a reminder going by the feedback message..... you dont have to just.... not eat things that arent on the diet, if you want to eat a deino, eat it, all it will do is not fill the cores, itll fill the stomach still

[static niche]

why would deino even be on a utahs diet

[wooden mica]

baby ones i guess

[tight oxide]

ok ima just say this update is amazing

when i saw new patch i expected a small bug fix or something

not map changes or stat stuff seesh

[wooden mica]

hold your horses, its only just dropped, give it some time before saying its amazing

[sturdy widget]

Yeah babies are snacks and subs are a nice challenge, haven't been able to kill an adult since update 3 tho, even when my pack has found them far on land

[static niche]

with oasis gone, its definitely going to be less likely to see babies. or subs crossing on land now

[sturdy widget]

Sure, but they'll probably still be ballsy enough to come and steal food left by other land creatures

[tight oxide]

music gives me disney sneaky music ngl

[worn kraken]

carnotaurus stamina seems to have been decreased actually. As a hatchling it depletes extremely fast. And the camera position (view) is much closer, which isn't ideal. Are these just my impressions?

[mighty girder]

@sturdy widget dont have a pack of 8 then, sounds like pack size control to me

[jovial hazel]

I think the juvi stamina was pretty heavily overtuned. Think they just fixed that.

Across the board.

It's like until exactly 25% you could run forever.

[sturdy widget]

I mean that's the actual limit, if the devs want lower numbers they should make it so

A ptera can't even feed half that

[wooden mica]

pteras dont give much food in general, it always blows my mind for example when a maxed deino nabs a baby ptera lol

[wooden mica]

god, ive made it to the removed shallows area, it really doesnt look nice

they could have added some aesthetics or something, it just... looks like a removed river thats for sure

[dapper mirage]

i 100% support this idea but just make sure it doesnt become BoB saichania ☠️

[barren crater]

Idk about reflective damage- imo kentro should just be faster than a rex lol

[fathom spire]

i think it just... makes sense to have reflective damage

[barren crater]

Its spike should just deter mid tiers at max and run from larger things

[fathom spire]

it'd be really weird for something to bite a kentro right on the spikes and have nothing happen

[barren crater]

That isn't reflective damage (unless I'm reading it wrong). Reflective damage to me is- getting hit- and sending that damage back

[fathom spire]

oh well i dont know how else to phrase it

by that i mean getting hit, taking the damage, but dealing damage back

so you're reflecting damage back on the thing that hit you

[barren crater]

Yeah I could see that to a degree. As long as it isn't 100% of the damage. Lets say an alberto with 350n bite attacks a kentros spikes- it shouldn't receive 350n damage back.

[tight oxide]

that would make kentro broken

if it was 100% dmg return

[barren crater]

Exactly. I would be fine with it to a degree (the damage return thing, not the 100% damage)- however it may not be implemented. I think a easy way is to receive a set damage depending on how fast you came into contact. So walking, running, trotting etc.

I assume large carnivores could probably just trample kentro though

Would allo and alberto be able to trample kentro

[tight oxide]

that would prob be like walking on a lego

[barren crater]

and will trample have knockdowns

[tight oxide]

trample sounds like it will make pvp for smalls almost impossible lol

like couldnt utah or teno just trample troodon pack?

[barren crater]

yep

[tight oxide]

utah is really fast too...

even carno

[barren crater]

450kg vs 40kg

Pretty one sided

[tight oxide]

why use charge when you could trample utah and bite em

[barren crater]

That's the thing- charge would be useless then if tramples did knockdowns (which it should, since it makes sense)

[tight oxide]

i think only certain dinos should have trample

[barren crater]

Like if a thing many times your size runs into you, you'll fall over

[tight oxide]

like shant, para and mia

or trike

[barren crater]

They said trample will be universal

[wooden mica]

anyone else having a hell of a time latching onto stuff as a ptera while using airbreak?

[tight oxide]

but all dinos having it could become a mess...

[tight oxide]

imagine killing your baby by mistake lol

[wooden mica]

before update i could do it just fine but now...

[barren crater]

That will likely be a thing

[barren crater]

Haven't tried it unfortunately

[tight oxide]

how will utah watch their babies who are smaller than the grass when fresh

nametag sure but...

[barren crater]

They tell their babies to stay in the nest and to not move from it

[wooden mica]

its so weird, i either alt attack in the air somehow or i just hit the surface and fall

[tight oxide]

if they make trample happen only when running i would be somewhat ok

it would give smalls a better chance since running all the time to try and trample would be dumb

[barren crater]

Has it been different when you relogged?

[barren crater]

I hope it isn't busted

[wooden mica]

same no matter what, i dunno what the deal is, maybe i suddenly became shit I dunno

[barren crater]

But busted would mean realistic

Since large thing runs into small thing= paste

[barren crater]

Haven't seen anyone else talk about this problem- but latching is pretty situational so

[wooden mica]

also to chime in on your convo, not everything needs to be 50/50 for fighting, gotta be some herbs that are just no touchy for anything but select dinos

but their actual attack is weak, so its like, it cant fight you per se, but you hunting it is just a bad time

[barren crater]

What if select animals are significantly larger. Lets say the large mid tiers (allo, alberto) want a kentro

With future systems

[wooden mica]

i dunno, ive not thought that far ahead, i just like the idea of essentially porcupine dinos

[barren crater]

Also kentro should have a 1.5x headshot instead of a 2x imo

Nothing like stego- since its small

[wooden mica]

nothing bothers with porcs except a select few, because ouchie, but porcs themselves cant really do a lot of damage by actually attacking, its all defense dependent on the predator doing the attack or attempted attack

thatd be a nice variation to the status quo

an example would be, utahs would do no damage to kentro, but instead be damaged doing their attacks, by being impaled, kentro doesnt do damage itself, its like, passive attacking, but in comes i dunno, a future systemed big boi like (for absolute argument sake not saying just this) a rex came in, it could kill a kentro but it would still take some damage, so a trade off, food traded for injury that makes you now weakened and potential prey to something else

a calculated risk you could say

[barren crater]

imo- if it's feasible to kill (a rex killing a kentro) then kentro should be faster

[wooden mica]

anywho just a spitball ive not thought about this until literally just now LOL

[barren crater]

All good

[wooden mica]

could work, could be utter shit, who knows

[paper oriole]

The difference though is a porcupine really has no other ways of attacking, but kentro does. It would look a bit stupid for kentro to have no actual attacks, so reflective damage and active attacks would just need to be balanced

[wooden mica]

i gotta agree with resuru on that one, i as a full grown ptera, hit a fresh utah that came up and attacked me, not even me hunting it, and it was like killing a turtle, prior to the most recent update, situationally pt really cant do shit, sure it can fly off, but, why cant we punish fresh utahs who just run up on us? i dunno. ive given up on pt balance, i play them but as its said, im just a spectator on the game at this point

as I said mira, just a spitball, i didnt even think kentro was coming to the isle LOL

[limber hull]

How does pachy suck it got more buffs than nerfs lmao

[wooden mica]

I guess we can think of it as a safety trade off? kentro cant be hunted by certain dinos because just attacking a kentro would be a death sentence so the trade off is, passive gameplay? I really dunno here LOL

[barren crater]

full grown carno pretty much rolls it if it sees it

[limber hull]

How

[wooden mica]

carno go brr

[strange wave]

because carno isnt garbage now

[barren crater]

the attack cancellation is gone

[wooden mica]

pachy go X_X

[strange wave]

and pachy cant stun cancel everything

[limber hull]

It isn't, they just took away the exception on the tap ram

You actually need to use charged ram now

Because it was frankly really dumb

[barren crater]

Which takes a lot of stam- and can leave you open a lot more. also it is easier to dodge as carno

I'm just saying it from the carnos perspective- haven't played pachy but it seems easier to kill them

[manic flint]

Is teno still OP or nah

[limber hull]

Also any fracture will just mean the carno's fucked up big time lmao.

Teno is fine, people just need to adjust to not tail spam

[manic flint]

They buffed body fracture a lot yea?

[barren crater]

At least now- pachy can't really kill carnos

[limber hull]

The kick is where it's at now. Slam is better for distance

[barren crater]

It can run though after fractures though

[limber hull]

Yea, it's really good, 2x stam consumption on everything

[manic flint]

Slam for Utah's, kicks for carnos?

[barren crater]

Yeah my stam went down crazy fast

[manic flint]

That means that pachy can get a fracture and run yea?
Pachy can't kill carno anymore so pachy plays like it's supposed to?

[limber hull]

Also a pachy is capable of knocking a carno out of charge using a ram to the head, stunning it and allowing another pachy to get a free hit. IDK if you guys knew this but it's neat tech

[barren crater]

solo pachy can't now from my experience

also carno death squads everywhere

[limber hull]

I mean, carno should beat solo pachy imho. Pachy has massive herd sizes, around the same as utah's packs, and prospers in teams

[wooden mica]

its like a pancake flip, one side was pachy kill squad the other is carno kill squad, well never win

[strange wave]

pachy is also a lot harder to grow quickly now with how spread out its diet is

[limber hull]

I mean, thank fuck the juvi is faster now

(but that doesn't excuse the awful way juvi carni diets are)

[strange wave]

which doesnt pair well with the nerf the got hit with

[manic flint]

Pachy should be able to get a break and run
Carno should be able to kill it
It should be somewhat fair

[strange wave]

still prefer it to the previous two carnivore diet systems

[limber hull]

Carnis are free grows and it's SO lame

I reckon carnos are killable, it's a new patch so there's obviously going to be some confusion on how to beat what and carno has always been baby-brain basic

[barren crater]

thing is- you can go a fight without leg fracturing a carno

[limber hull]

Body fracture and head fracture are just as useful tho imho

[manic flint]

Any fracture should work now

[limber hull]

Head fracture fucks up their damage and body fracture fucks up their stam

[manic flint]

Carno has mediocre stam as it is
And head fracture makes it so you can barely see

[strange wave]

head fracture fucks their vision enough to where losing them is a breeze

[limber hull]

Also it reduces damage

[strange wave]

body fracture cucks their stamina

[barren crater]

yeah to 25%

(the damage)

[strange wave]

leg fracture is self explanatory

[limber hull]

Basically any fracture is a good fracture now

[wooden mica]

unless youre bleeding, then its like a bright red bread crumb trail LOL

[barren crater]

you will bleed

[tight oxide]

what buff

oh you mean the cc buffs in general?

[limber hull]

Body fracture buff, juvi runspeed buff, less self-staggers on big targets, fracture and raw damage are still done even if no CC, etc

[tight oxide]

pachy if anything is more balanced with the rostor imo

[limber hull]

Also now it has the ability to ram a carno out of charge

[tight oxide]

damn really?

[limber hull]

(i think it was always meant to do that but it was busted lmao)

[tight oxide]

so pachy can legit uno reverse carno?

[strange wave]

the nerf im fine with

[limber hull]

it stuns both sides

[strange wave]

its the diet that im iffy on

[tight oxide]

the nerfs with pachy let me have an easier time 1v1ing it as utah tbh

[strange wave]

especially since the babies are still slow

[tight oxide]

that endlag increase legit was amazing for me

[strange wave]

not horribly slow, but slow enough to where having to cross the map is a bit cruel

[tight oxide]

isnt juvie pachy faster than juvie teno

[strange wave]

yeah

but tenonto doesnt need to cross the map

and it can swim

[tight oxide]

aye man

i prefer this over funni oasis

and giving pachy another speed increase for juvie would prob be a bad idea...

[strange wave]

yeah id just make its diet items a bit closer together is all

cuz it needs to go
center
swamps
then coast

to get everything

[wooden mica]

they want players to spread out but they forgot that babies cant go that far

[strange wave]

everything else is fine

and they gave us the 15% diets to start with

[crude girder]

Coast also counts out to the west

so if you go east to west/west to east across center, that usually works pretty well

[wooden mica]

real talk here guys real damn talk..... where the crabs at

[crude girder]

for Pachy juvi I mean

Crabs are out on the sand on the northern and western coasts

[tight oxide]

think they thought juv pachys would somehow spawn near a parent

[wooden mica]

ive never seen one

[tight oxide]

then graze?

did you guys forget you can graze

[wooden mica]

gib crab

[tight oxide]

graze if you need food on your nutrient journey

[strange wave]

grazing doesnt give you any diet shit, its the diet stuff thats a pain in the ass for pachy, since the thing is allergic to water

[wooden mica]

i think sonics going for graze to not starve

[tight oxide]

you're suppose to use it when you are about to die to hunger and grazing can really help you for the long run when trying to find diet plants as a baby

not grazing to not bother finding them

[strange wave]

i know how to graze sonic

[tight oxide]

so why complain?

[strange wave]

and i know what it does
im not saying anything about starving

[wooden mica]

still, long ass way to go for food for babies, yes spread, but also density, but what do I know, im only a living spectator camera

[strange wave]

because pachy cannot swim
and it needs to cross the map to get its nutrients to grow at a decent pace

[tight oxide]

you kinda complained that pachy juvie has such a hard time finding diet plants

[tight oxide]

to be fair...

[strange wave]

yeah
diet plants
not starvation

[tight oxide]

if you had a giant dome head

could you swim...

but fr cant pachy just do a jumping swim?

[wooden mica]

to be fair, it takes a lot more effort to get growing perks as a herb than a carni, we all know this

they dont even start with the "no specific diet for juve" perk

[strange wave]

baby pachy can barely jump

[wooden mica]

pachy and teno jump as baby is like watching a fly trying to take off but it has no wings.... if you catch my meaning

i dont know why people are so up in arms against herbs getting the easy grow ride at the same level of the carnis

[limber hull]

id rather neither get it than both lmao

carnis are a bore to grow

Herbis would be even easier

[wooden mica]

everything is a bore to grow, its growing

[limber hull]

Nah, I like herbis more

More shit to do. Carnis are essentially eat + bush

Lame as. Basically free ticket to adult

[wooden mica]

herbis are too, what the

[limber hull]

Nah, because herbis have 3 specific food types. Carnis can eat literally whatever they find and done

[wooden mica]

hide in bush, eat, hide in bush, drink, hide in bush

[limber hull]

It doesn't even need to be on their actual diet. A carno can eat a fish and be set

Herbis have to eat 3 specific things. Carnis can eat whatever the fuck and be good

[wooden mica]

I just think the growth side at least from fresh to sub on herb side should be buffed to match, after that i couldnt care less

[limber hull]

Eh, I'd rather see more engagement in the carni aspect. Absurd how easy it is to grow the bastards

[wooden mica]

I dont know why youre so against making the game farer LOL

[limber hull]

I'm not against it, I want it to be more fair, I just hate the "eat one random thing and be set for the next hour"

Full nutrients from eating a fish as a carno lmao what the fuck

[wooden mica]

well, carnis do just go kill whatever they want already growth or not if they eat it is another story i guess esp adults but herbs do need a bit of a break, surely you agree to that side

[limber hull]

I guess? It's a matter of me just wanting to do more as carnivore to reach adulthood rather than it literally be handed to me

[wooden mica]

this not advancing above food for juve to sub, everything else other than that, not part of this I guess

[limber hull]

I like carnivore but the fact that only one faction has to really engage with the diets during growth is simply dumb

Even animals like ptera, who are almost completely capable of getting all diet options from the moment they spawn get this easy treatment

Any ptera of any age can fish

And kill a crab

[wooden mica]

well hold on now, chickens are hard af to catch, even i couldnt do it just now and im no new pt player

as a new spawn***

[paper oriole]

Chickens are one of the easiest ai to catch lol

[limber hull]

Chickens are way easier to catch than other AI honestly

[wooden mica]

i couldnt land a single hit i guess im used to fishing and turtles tho, because ill be damned if i could catch a damn rabbit

[paper oriole]

And as far as interesting growth goes. Diets are not fun, they are like the opposite of fun. Both factions are boring to grow, only difference is carnivores have it easy and boring while herbivores have to do boring chores that put them in danger from infinitely faster predators

[meager tiger]

But what if i want to eat bones

[wooden mica]

[paper oriole]

Wha-

[meager tiger]

Like you know a bunch of scavengers like vultures fighting over scraps

[wooden mica]

i was like "hol up"

[limber hull]

i dont think ptera can eat bones lmao

[meager tiger]

I really think a carcass can have different stages

[limber hull]

that's gore

that's going to be a thing with gore

[meager tiger]

But its diet

[limber hull]

gore and diets will be linked

[meager tiger]

Some animals eat bones

[wooden mica]

gore... one day, one day in the far future

[meager tiger]

Yeah and the other guy says diets are bad

But whats bad about eating bones

[limber hull]

i dont know what bones have to do with anything lmao

[paper oriole]

They are, they are boring shopping lists and also only one faction has to suffer with then while growing

[meager tiger]

Carcass stages

Different animals

[limber hull]

Yes that's gore

[meager tiger]

Yes

Also diets

[limber hull]

Yes, they will be linked

[manic flint]

We don't get that for a while mate

[limber hull]

I'm confused

[wooden mica]

anyway, to bring it back around, herbs need a break as fresh to sub to bring it on par, and then both need a rework from that point, so at least everyone is on equal standing, and not perpetuating the easy carni life/chore herb life, rhetoric

[meager tiger]

Diets = Giore

[limber hull]

No

[meager tiger]

Huh

[limber hull]

They're linked, but diets don't just equal gore lmao

[meager tiger]

But some entire animals are adapted

[paper oriole]

I dont get to enjoy eating bones, i have to cross the map as a torturously slow juvie to exposed areas with carno megapacks everywhere just to grow as fast as a carni that ate a sea turtle in a dead corner of the map

[manic flint]

No, they are linked but not the same thing

[meager tiger]

For utilizing carcasses

Without carcasses

[limber hull]

i am actually having a mental breakdown what the fuck is this argument

[manic flint]

Yea
So they will make use of gore

[meager tiger]

Theyed be extinct

[manic flint]

I don't know

[limber hull]

???

I don't even know what the hell he's saying

[manic flint]

Me neither

[wooden mica]

i think its.... an argument that a diet option should be just bone/gore

maybe?

[meager tiger]

No the guy said diets are boring

[manic flint]

Well of course
Cera exists
It's diet will have a lot of gore in it ig

But Joe's point makes no sense

[paper oriole]

They are

[meager tiger]

But i say fighting over a carcass for your diets needs

[manic flint]

In their current state at least

[meager tiger]

Isnt boring

[limber hull]

What does that have to do with bones lmao

[paper oriole]

You can fight over a carcass without diets

[wooden mica]

OH challenging for food, as a needed thing to do?

[limber hull]

Seems like you're describing cera

[wooden mica]

no one does that tho, they just kill and move on to the next person to kill

[meager tiger]

But different animals wouldnt fight for all stages of a carcass

[paper oriole]

Plus thats one faction, the faction that also doesn’t even have to deal with diets until it hits sub or even adult stage

[limber hull]

Also if I HAVE to steal meat every time to get a nutrient I'm going to cry

[meager tiger]

A lion isnt going to fight for some bones

[lost bronze]

Can someone send me the link to the isle nycta server

[limber hull]

no

[paper oriole]

Ew isla nycta

[wooden mica]

no need to fight for food when people just kfs as their playstyle, its all over the place

[meager tiger]

But a vulture or hybea will

[limber hull]

no they won't, a hyena isn't going to do anything with a pile of bones. They want meat

[finite pagoda]

https://discord.gg/islanycta

[wooden mica]

bruuuh

[paper oriole]

Hyenas do eat bones tho

[meager tiger]

And vultures

[finite pagoda]

In legacy there were some servers that had body down rules

[wooden mica]

this isnt the place for server links fam

[limber hull]

Also who the FUCK is going to stick with bones? Once the meat is gone they don't care

[meager tiger]

They swarm some small animals

[finite pagoda]

Other than that I don’t know how you’d encourage people to fight

[paper oriole]

That doesnt counter the fact though that diets are not fun

[limber hull]

Those were awful

[plucky ravine]

ho do i go to global chat in game?

[meager tiger]

Vultures eat bones

[paper oriole]

Cringe

[wooden mica]

there is no global in envrima

[plucky ravine]

shoot

[finite pagoda]

Body down rules curbed kosing, and made people compete for food

[plucky ravine]

ok

[limber hull]

Body down rules made the game fucking boring and lame lmao

[wooden mica]

you can local with same species next to you but thats it

[paper oriole]

People shouldnt be stopped from kosing

If the games balanced then those rules arent needed

[wooden mica]

at the same time tho, how you expect people to go with the devs idea of challenging eachother over food

aint gon happen

[finite pagoda]

How would you balance the game to make that possible then?

[paper oriole]

People want to fight

[limber hull]

The only reason they existed was purely because the game was so poorly balanced that some animals would be outright wiped from the planet if a specific predator saw them, so they ensured only one animal could be slaughtered at a time

[plucky ravine]

ok im trying to talk to a carno beside me thats why

[signal beacon]

You cant play the game because you killed a juvi

[tight oxide]

i got warned for killing a juvie utah during my fight with another giga

[manic flint]

That would be dumb just kill the animal and wait ig

[signal beacon]

I am completely safe from predation because I have a juvi dryo body

[paper oriole]

If everything can either outrun, reliably hide, or fight off its threats then it is balanced and kos rules are redundant

[limber hull]

Exactly

[manic flint]

Exactly

[limber hull]

If you are able to either escape that which can kill you or fight it off, you are set. If something can kill you always, you're fucked and that's bad

[signal beacon]

Exactly