general-feedback-discussion

[limber hull]

EVRIMA is not really that confusing or weird

[torpid kindle]

I played evrima for 2 minutes the flying sucks

Before I gave up

Cant even get off the ground and then u just slowly float down

[barren zephyr]

Legacy is all block-coding, with a broken Code because a mad dev was a manchild.

Legacy is so god damn simple and boring compared to Evrima

[torpid kindle]

If they cant remake legacy but with new and improved mechanics then they aren't a good dev team

[limber hull]

LMAO

they COULD do that but legacy is so trash they don't WANT to

[barren zephyr]

So you mean Evrima

[torpid kindle]

No in evrima you can't see your teammates name tags, and your dino ends up dying of old age

That's lame

[barren zephyr]

But you can

[limber hull]

you can and your dino doesn't die of old age

[barren zephyr]

And they don't even have the elder system in right now

[torpid kindle]

they will

evrima slowly getting worse

I'm not saying legacy isn't ass

[limber hull]

You realise elders are optional?

You don't have to become an elder according to devs

[barren zephyr]

Yes, but 1: That won't just bw default
2: It will be server optional
3: You have to DO things until yiu even CAN die of old age

And oh, sorry for making a game an actual game instead of a Sandbox bird bath simulator

[torpid kindle]

Maybe I lack the knowledge of evrima from my playing and videos I've seen it looks weird

Most people enjoy legacy

[limber hull]

Pretty bold claim

[barren zephyr]

And wanna know why?

[torpid kindle]

That's what isle is a dino simulator where you kill other dinos

[limber hull]

i can label a plethora of people who don't like legacy

[barren zephyr]

Lemme give you the 2 big reasons

1. "Muh dinos"
2. Performance

[limber hull]

Yea. That's why I hate legacy. I'm not allowed to kill other dinos because otherwise some guy whines in global and I get banned lmao

[barren zephyr]

That's honestly the only damn reason people "like" Legacy

[barren zephyr]

No it isn't

[limber hull]

What

No it isn't what?

[barren zephyr]

It's a hardcore horror survival game, with dinosaurs, humans, mutant-humans and mutant-dinosaurs

Are you just gonna say "Legacy sucks" if they were to ever add Humans and Tribals?

[limber hull]

I mean

[barren zephyr]

Because "But my dinos!!"

gflökefbn9fgg

WAVE I DIDN'T MEAN YOU

[limber hull]

Why did you reply to me tho

[barren zephyr]

WRONG REPLY

But yeah. I hate Legacy.
And I've had TI since release day.

Legacy is ass

[limber hull]

Legacy rework would do nothing btw

Legacy has core systems that are fundamentally flawed

You know what you get when you fix all that?

[barren zephyr]

All Legacy is is block-coding

[limber hull]

You don't get a reworked legacy. You get EVRIMA

[barren zephyr]

Yes

Anyways

@torpid kindle
In order to group with people, get close to each other and hold 2 call

The Elder system also won't just be "static" it's not a case of: "I will just default grow into an elder if I play X amount of time"
No. You have to DO things in order to become an Elder. And Schmimimi(dying of old age) is ALSO optional. And you also aren't just dying for the sake of dying. Deciding to die of old age will give you the option to choose a permanent Perk that stays in your dinosaurs' next life. And you can do this multiple times

[sand lantern]

Can I be part of the plethora

[limber hull]

you dont need to ask to dislike Legacy lmao

[barren zephyr]

So please. Tell me how Evrima is becoming worse? By becoming an actual game worth playing? By giving an actual gameplay loop that doesn't just reside on "Me dino, me Deathmatch other dino"

[sand lantern]

People just get very unhappy when people say it

[barren zephyr]

I get unhappy whenever people genuinely think Legacy is objectively better than Evrima

[sand lantern]

I love it when people say evrima hit boxes are worse than legacy

[barren zephyr]

Like, I said this already, but the only thing Legacy has to offer rn is "Muh dinos" and Performance

@torpid kindle the point of Evrima is a recode

[barren zephyr]

*Completely new game

Legacy is FAR TOO BROKEN to be fixed

[barren zephyr]

yes, so that is the next best thing to happen

Legacy hitbox:
Hit a dino from this distance and break the leg, without even needing to touch the leg, as long as you register a hit

[barren zephyr]

No, Evrima is a comletely new game

Aside from Models, Animations, Sounds and some other basic stuff it has 0 similarities to Legacy

[barren zephyr]

I know, what I meant was in regards to options

if you cannot recode legacy, start making a new game. Which is what the devs did, and I am glad they did that, even though progress is rather slow and performance can be janky

Ahh okay then sorry

@acoustic flare Spiro currently is hardly even big(atleast the part you play on)

[acoustic flare]

Still makes me lag.

[barren zephyr]

That is optimization?

Let me tell you

[acoustic flare]

what is optimization?

[barren zephyr]

How good the game runs.

And performance

But yeah.
Spiro's full size is 20km², and btw, you aren't even playing on a full quarter of it rn

[paper oriole]

wack af to think that some of animals will probably take an hour+ to cross spiro in a straight shot if they keep it that way

cant believe people suggest making people ping pong across the whole map for diets when we have a tiny portion of the map rn and its already sizeable

[barren zephyr]

I like that

[limber hull]

That doesn't sound like a bad thing imho

[paper oriole]

i like that too, as long as i dont have to scale all that on the regular

[limber hull]

obviously

[barren zephyr]

And in the future those will aid you to get better and choose a different playstyle for you, AND also for Elders

[paper oriole]

i like more space to explore and more regions to choose from

[paper oriole]

what

[barren zephyr]

yeah

Going around the map(once it's fully done) will have an actual purpose

[paper oriole]

what does some peoples' suggestion about ping ponging on an hour sized map have to do with helping players get better

[barren zephyr]

Huh?

and also most animals in the game can manage a pace faster than normal human walking

[paper oriole]

yeah going around will have a purpose but like, being forced to make a long ass trip frequently is lame

its the one thing i worry about with the big map

being forced to move to specific regions

[barren zephyr]

Well I mean

You aren't FORCED to

[paper oriole]

youre taking it a bit literally, i'll rephrase. i dont want to be PUNISHED for not walking 45 minutes one way, then 45 minutes another way, then an hour another way to specific regions with very minimal choice

its the only thing that worries me really

[barren zephyr]

So then see it as the positive

[limber hull]

i like the triangle diet idea with this current smaller map as long as the environments you walk through are somewhat interesting (crossing rivers, navigating forests, moving through plains with predators)

[paper oriole]

especially since they still seem hard on their stance that herbivores should stop and sniff for 15 seconds to get their scent range on nearby plants

[limber hull]

Obviously in a massive map, it shouldn't be necessary to move so far

[barren zephyr]

If you want to get rewarded, walk to x and y place

[paper oriole]

i HATE the triangle idea, i want choice, sorry

[low canopy]

what i really hate about current diets already is that i know exactly where i need to go as teno for example to grow ( eastern swamp ), there are no real options, my experience is completely handcrafted for me and freedom taken

[paper oriole]

preferred biomes are cool, not "go to this region", thats dumb as hell

[limber hull]

I think it's far better when you forget about the triangle and focus more about the choices made to reach said objective

Like how CTF in Halo is walking back and forth, yet what happens to get to that point is what's so intriguing about it

[barren zephyr]

Well I mean, technically the biomes are regions

[paper oriole]

hard to forget about the triangle wghen i want to explore not walk between the same damn few or small handful of locations

[low canopy]

in previous updates i would move more around the map depending on where i felt like going, that is not a thing anymore

[paper oriole]

preferred biomes should be the only thing that players are really pushed to, not regions of those biomes

[barren zephyr]

Yeah? That'll most likely be a thing

[limber hull]

I only hate it with Oasis. Frankly, once I've reached adult, sometimes I just ditch the whole three diet thing and settle for 2 or 1 diet

[paper oriole]

this. i dont want some stupid ass designated spots stopping me form going where i please within my preferred biome, be that plains or woods or what ever

[paper oriole]

man i dont even grow at oasis and i only go there if i dont mind dying, and i usually go somewhere else to die too

i dont want more oasis type shit, i sacrifice a nutrient to avoid that cancerous hell zone

[limber hull]

In previous updates I found less of that. I could go wherever but in the end, all the action was where people felt was "optimal". Being forced out of your comfort zone sounds good to me

[paper oriole]

its dumb that i have to

[barren zephyr]

But you don't have to

[limber hull]

Oasis ruined diets for me tbh

[paper oriole]

because theres always 10 starving carnos and some aggro pachies by the melons near oasis

and its maybe a 1/10 chance i find melons elsewhere

the damn things arent spawned in their other regions nearly every time i pass through

[barren zephyr]

They basically confirmed they will distribute the food better. And there is a pretty high chance of that happening in the upcoming Performance/Balance patch

[paper oriole]

the game wants people to go to oasis, and thats the shit i dont like

food should be distributed better, and that means not in hot spots and shittily everywhere else

shouldnt have to go to a hot spot to find food

shouldnt be punished for not going to a hot spot

[barren zephyr]

Dude chill out you act like they did that intentionally

[paper oriole]

theres no way they didnt distribute those nodes like that on accident smh

[low canopy]

i mean we know that current set up is intentional

like kissen literally said it

[barren zephyr]

Well, that's an oof then

[paper oriole]

kissen says a lot of things

[barren zephyr]

But they also said they are changing it so

[paper oriole]

like magy will be fast

then we see the reel and it isnt fast

[low canopy]

however the argument for current diet spread is reasonable, imagine if all diets were all over the place and you'd never see other species or atleast unlikely to

[barren zephyr]

Eh

I think the opposite would happen

[paper oriole]

thats what ever, but people shouldnt be pushed to hot spots by punishments, not everybody wants to be in a group in an area that attracts obnoxious activity

[low canopy]

like we have only one swamp for example

or well 2 i suppose

[paper oriole]

we only have one swamp, we only have like 1/5th of the map, what about it

the 2 swamps are close enough that its pretty much 1

[low canopy]

meaning now all tenos are tied to south eastern part of the map never to leave it

[paper oriole]

yeah and thats annoying

i always grow a teno there and i dont like that

also dumb as hell how they gave tenonto mountain ash and then put mountain ash in the swamp

[barren zephyr]

2*

[barren zephyr]

I would want to do more than just walk about

[paper oriole]

what next? gonna add some cacti to the swamp?

[barren zephyr]

If we do get seasons (wet and dry), different food items should shift to different locations with them

[paper oriole]

so instead of just walking about, you want to walk about in a route that the game punishes you for not doing? how in what world is that any better

[barren zephyr]

Also, we aren't even playing on 1/4th of the map

[paper oriole]

seasons are fine because it isnt some stupid artificial trash "pumpkins grow at this region because ??? so go there now"

[low canopy]

i dont think the full map will ever function with current player caps

[paper oriole]

it wont, they want lots of ai to fill in the gaps and their ai so far is laughable but eh, some day maybe

[barren zephyr]

If wanting an example, during wetter periods for example Tenontosaurus moves into the plains to feed on new soft vegetation (might work especially with some seasonal delta environment), but it retreats to more permanent water sources as the plains dry out.

[paper oriole]

i hate the idea of an ecosystem that is largely dino ai but i highly doubt theyre gonna be able to up the player capacity by much

[barren zephyr]

It will subsist on poorer though still nutritious foods in the dry season, but the wet season will be the more ideal season for it.

we need more biome variability overall, as well as kind of better built, realistic geography

having rivers start from highlands for example.

[paper oriole]

i want more biomes and more stretchy diets that still push people in to preferred biomes. i hate the current diets, i hate the current distribution and idea of walking between preset regions, the map sucks too but that is to be expected at this time

seasons affecting which plants and which biomes people hang out more in is fine but the idea of being pshed between REGIONS is so cancer

no more oases

[barren zephyr]

yeah

or we could as well ditch the river system and have oases only, whichever one works

[paper oriole]

oh god imagine if

[barren zephyr]

if we do stick to rivers we should probably get a more expansive estuarine environment

[paper oriole]

imagine if there were no rivers, and instead we had ponds scattered around the map with shit tons of diet food at them. i would uninstall so fast lmao

[low canopy]

alright so, lets imagine a situation where the current map size was final,
How large area of it would you describe as lets say hypsis redwood territory to be, not too large but also not too restrictive

[barren zephyr]

maybe an ideal spot for fishers n stuff

[paper oriole]

i want more rivers, fatter rivers and thin rivers, i like variety. i want something like titan lake to make it in to evrima, as well as V3's lazy river

[barren zephyr]

I'm honestly not sure how adding drastically different biomes onto the same map works out, from a realistic and mechanical perspective

Honestly we might as well ditch the tropical jungle environments anyway for more mesozoic flora (a greater abundance of conifers and cycads, but also some modern day plants)

[paper oriole]

limited biomes like redwoods can still be situated in a way they they give a lot of regional freedom. redwoods are a relatively coastal biome, theres a lot of coastal space on spiro. tropics are bloody everywhere, plains can be almost anywhere, if we have a mountain range we can easily have arid areas

[barren zephyr]

A rainshadow certainly works

[paper oriole]

usually happens with large mountains but eh, its close enough

they put mountain ash in the damn swamp they can put a rain shadow by a medium/small mountain range

[barren zephyr]

from what I have heard redwoods mainly rely on snowmelt for water (in the pacific coast of america that is)

[barren zephyr]

the general region does have more plants than just redwoods, however

https://www.nps.gov/redw/learn/nature/plants.htm

the redwoods are actually found further inland in the generally riverine areas, while the coasts usually have more salt resistant scrub flora. The mountains have redwoods only at the foothills, with more drought resistant plants like pine and douglas fir

[low canopy]

frankly i dont give a shit about reality in this case (as long as there is proper transition between each biome),
map having variety, interesting environments that encourage you to explore and move about is far more important

[barren zephyr]

yes

[verbal widget]

Technically it would be interesting to see many different types of Biomes. But let's be realistic here it would either be with a jungle or forest like biome. And with the plants....it would honestly since if there going to make dinosaur then why not some extinct species of flora as well.

[barren zephyr]

not much in regards to flora has changed other than new groups of plants emerging

the only mesozoic plant group not to survive to the modern day were the bennettitales

[paper oriole]

Oh noooo 50% on utahraptor, a very hard to grow animal that takes a very long time

[grizzled vector]

missed the point, why do server resets rollback 15-20 minutes. Now I'm hurt again and lost the food from the carno I fought

[barren zephyr]

@bleak bison they said that something like that won't be a thing

[bleak bison]

Good

[tepid gate]

@manic flint The funny part is that the map in question wasn't considered particularly good, but damn was it so much better than the... whatever it is we have now.

[manic flint]

Yea
I remember being able to find players everywhere
It was much more fun
And now that we have diets we can do that even better
But the devs refuse to

[tepid gate]

"Now that we have diets" hah...

[manic flint]

I mean there's really no point in them right now...

[limber hull]

I seriously don't see how people believe diets can reduce the level of movement lmao

Oasis is literally garbo

[manic flint]

All the food is just there at oasis

[limber hull]

Because obvious reasons I barely need to explain

But if they split that shit up

We'd have people moving

[manic flint]

I had high hopes for the system

I was excited for migrations and shit

[limber hull]

We can still have that

[manic flint]

But the drain is too fast for reasonable migrations
And the food is all next to eachother

[limber hull]

If they decide to act on this current issue

[manic flint]

And give us an arid biome
And make coastal accessible

Remember beach pond?

[limber hull]

i mean

we have beach puddle

[tepid gate]

Diets have already reduced the level of movement, I mean in normal circumstances they wouldn't do that but they somehow did just that by the atrocious placement of well... everything

And I'm not complaining there about diets reducing movement in the future

I'm more so complaining about their existence

[limber hull]

That's Oasis, not diets

[tepid gate]

Nah, not really

[limber hull]

Let's be real, if oasis didn't exist, people would actually move

[tepid gate]

as in - not exactly

[limber hull]

Yea, kinda. You put al the good shit in one place, no one wants the other shit

[tepid gate]

If I wanted to just maintain my diet I could do that just fine as a Tenonto just by sitting in the swamp

then again - where's the surprise in that since its food grows in the swamps... and we have just ONE on the whole map

[limber hull]

Well we have two. Oasis, for some reason, counts as a swamp

[tepid gate]

I know and I actually view that as a good thing

it'd be just stupid to have one animal completely limited to just one spot on the map

[limber hull]

Fair

But I'd rather see a swamp in one of the more desolate locales

Those places where both food and water are really non-existent

requiring some level of navigation or movement to reach them.

[grizzled vector]

RIP my utah brothers those pachys slaughtered us

[icy lion]

Please only use this channel to discuss #general-feedback posts

[paper oriole]

Proper landmarks like legacy maps had >>>>>>>>> some lame map

[limber hull]

maps are boring

[keen bough]

i agree its much more fun to play by knowledge but sometimes its tedious when you can't see crap at all

ahh yes, the good times

[paper oriole]

Wasnt too much of a hassle in legacy to get to a clearing or hill to check for landmarks

Wish it was like that in evrima

[limber hull]

Personally, a dinosaur opening up a map and going "hmm yes i must take a turn in 300 meters" would be awfully stupid imho

[paper oriole]

Only a couple landmarks in evrima rn and sometimes they arent visible even at a high altitude

[keen bough]

people already do that on ripoff websites

[limber hull]

yea but here's the thing

[keen bough]

also ever heard of path of titans?

[limber hull]

yes. I hate that game

[paper oriole]

PoT

[keen bough]

lol same but its easy to use

[paper oriole]

Dam replied to the wrong comment

[keen bough]

haha yeah true that

[paper oriole]

Landmarks are so much better, feel satisfying to use and are natural

[limber hull]

Path of Titans NEEDS a map because there's literally no one playing anywhere but one spot and you're given dumbfuck location quests which would be impossible without a map

[keen bough]

isle devs listening in be like "YES"

[paper oriole]

Feels good to look over and go “hey that's so and so rock formation now i can easily calculate my course with relative accuracy” vs looking at a map like some lame rpg

[limber hull]

In the Isle, you run around, you eventually find the place you need to go. Because the Isle has the biomes where your food is actually look like how they're advertised. I'm a new teno, I'm told I need to go to swamp, I find a place that looks like a swamp, epic, now food is near, awesome, me win.

Path of Titans, I spawn in, told I need to go to "x" area in the endless redwoods that looks exactly like the rest of the endless redwoods, no way am i finding that without a map

[keen bough]

that! that is excatly what i want, but evrima has a small amount of landmarks

[paper oriole]

Which is why they should fix that

Probably not the hardest thing to add things like the stone arches and piled rock formations that helped players chart their way in legacy. As well as recognizable river systems that people can follow

In evrima its like “dammit which river fork is this” but some areas are recognizable

[keen bough]

well the map overhaul will probably/hopefully have that

[paper oriole]

Yeah even smaller formations like a fallen tree over a puddle can help a lot

I know which way to follow the river by flow but only if i get to a spot i recognize which theres only a handful

Kinda sucks

lol always ending up at the beach cliff whenever i get lost

[keen bough]

speaking of beach, i really hope that becomes a hotspot because its awesome but rarely people go there

[paper oriole]

Or some random unpassable slope in the dense woods

[keen bough]

oh my god so true

[paper oriole]

I wish there were far fewer long stretches of unpassable terrain

Same lol i found like 3 dead juvi stegos and a few dead adult utahs and some PTs having a good time when i went tbere as utah

Unfortunately i dehydrated too cus the cliff is so god damn long

I had a weirdass incident on official where me and my friend were fightung there as a hypsi and juv pachy a juv utah came out of nowhere and attacked us and we killed it, then a sub deino came swimming from the ocean for the body like it was the first food he has seen in his life

Wondering how tf they were there at the north beach

New player curiosity maybe lol

I wonder how long that sub deino survived after we left too he looked like he made the worse mistake

Probably dehydrated by that waterfall like i did on my poor raptor unless deinos can hydrate at the base

Only been able to jump up the rocks with hypsi

Feels so bad lol that cliff is too long

Such a nice area ruined by mile long cliffs on either side

Luckily never seen a carno there myself

I'd imagine so

Poor bastards were way out of their biome lol

Had a pt attempt to hunt my hypsi there too and i just hear him smack a tree behind me as a run. Wish the area had more accessibility it could be a nice landmark location

Tis sad

[limber hull]

you know that cool landmark which is the giant rock tent thing that literally no one can reach

it has no food, no water or anything near it, it's just dangerous and nothing else

i love that one

[warm flame]

ptera

[limber hull]

ptera doesn't count

ptera disobeys limitations

no it isnt

[warm flame]

it's a viable name

[limber hull]

why would magys die there

why not any other animal

[warm flame]

because no one likes magy except kissen

[paper oriole]

The one in the southeastish part of the map?

[limber hull]

i hope when magy comes out it's ridiculously broken so I can read #general-feedback and #balance-feedback and laugh my ass off

[paper oriole]

Inb4 “nerf magy” feedbacks when they overinflate its stats as a petty jab at the magy deniers

[warm flame]

"nerf magy plz, it can 1v2 alberto without breaking a sweat "

[limber hull]

it's not a petty jab, it'd be fucking hilarious to watch people immediately swap from "magy useless" to "magy broken"

[warm flame]

it'd still be by definition a bad animal, conceptually ridiculous in power

[paper oriole]

Magy dealing 500 damage with a tail flick and having deino level bleed resist for no apparent reason

[warm flame]

able to lift up a carno and throw it with its mouth

[paper oriole]

It is a bad animal no matter how much they inflate its stats

Magy dealing the same trample as a brachio

[warm flame]

magy ram as it's ability! goat magy niche!

[paper oriole]

No matter how much they stretch magy to its limits of plausibility, baja and shuno would have been superior sauropods

Even ampelo

[limber hull]

perhaps but magy is funnier so i like it more

[keen bough]

what if theoretically they excecute magy well? will you be pleased when you have a proportionately balanced mini sauropod, assuming they make it like that

[paper oriole]

We coulda gotten nigersaurus if they wanted a joke animal cus it has funni face

[limber hull]

yea but imagine in-game chat referring to it and consider why they didn't do that

[warm flame]

people have already said the n word in this server when talking about it

[warm flame]

"guys look up ahead, a n*, let's ambush it"

[keen bough]

hooly crap dude! thats some next level stuff

[limber hull]

yes but here's the thing, nigersaurus wouldn't have a ton of people whining about it daily so it's not as funny

[paper oriole]

Still a meme animal

[warm flame]

nah that reaction would be

fueled by jealousy, enraged by the sight of a magy wallowing in its own excrement

[paper oriole]

Put it in community tab i'd join it

[warm flame]

where all other basic servers just write an entire essay, you just write "I hate Magy" 3 times and have that as the servers name

[strange wave]

@frail prawn *make deino OP again

[paper oriole]

Why is “terrible run speed on land” a complaint for deino?

It should have shit speed and stam on land

[frail prawn]

Deino was never OP, it was easily dealt with by stegos even before its big nerf. Maybe it being fast on land again is a bit much but everything else about it didn't deserve to be ruined like that.

[limber hull]

im not so upset about the runspeed and more about how the reduction in runspeed soft nerfed lunge distance

[paper oriole]

“Never” is a atrong word…

It was certainly op for a while

[limber hull]

Pretty sure the beyblade deino was super OP for a good while

[paper oriole]

Its biggest struggle right now is caused by the map and diet system

[limber hull]

the thing smelt food and just took it with no contest

[strange wave]

deino is still unchallenged by everything that isnt a stego

[paper oriole]

It's challenged by starvation when it hits adult

[strange wave]

so the only reason that deino isnt controlling every piece of water space on the servers at the moment is because stego isnt garbage in this update

[frail prawn]

Of course its unchallenged, because everything in the game that isn't a stego is small as hell, nothing can barely bother a stego and look at them.. Everywhere and just sitting around oasis doing nothing lol.

[paper oriole]

The fact that there are so many shallows and everybody is at oasis screws deino over more than anything else

Its stats arent a problem for it

At least not now

[strange wave]

deinos stats have been fine since ever, map issues are the only problem for it

[limber hull]

remember alt-bite deino

where it literally won any fight as long as it just pressed alt

[paper oriole]

Breakdancing beyblade alt bite

Nightmare

[warm flame]

I think it should have a stronger bite but that's just me, maybe not a stronger bite right now but later down the line when the roster is bigger
what it needs now is the map to not hate its species

[limber hull]

because the alt-bite was like 2x faster than base bite

[warm flame]

and took no stam

[limber hull]

deino having stronger bite is good imho. 500N seems quite low for it going forward

[strange wave]

going forward that is

[paper oriole]

If anyone made a kill anywhere near water deino could just come and take it away effortlessly by spam alt biting. It could use alt to bite forward rapidly and could headshot stego through its body and beat it on land

[strange wave]

but at that point we dont know what the fuck else its gonna get

[warm flame]

I remember when update 3 came out I did a suggestion on deino's alt bite taking stam because utah's did and I don't think anyone agreed with it

[tepid gate]

That is very much a possibility that people take into account and of course people are going to complain about it. The devs could make it so that Minmi oneshots a T.rex with a single bite.

Would it make the animal more viable?

Yes, sure it would

would it make sense?

[paper oriole]

Was it this one

[warm flame]

no a bit before

[tepid gate]

I don't care if Magy ends up being a useless fodder animal btw

[warm flame]

I think a tenth is a bit harsh now though, maybe

[tepid gate]

I only care about it not breaking immersion

[warm flame]

wait how much stam does deino's alt bite take now

[limber hull]

it ended up taking 20% stam i think lmao

[tepid gate]

Nah, it ended up taking 10th of Deino's stam as he suggested

[paper oriole]

If it does i can have fun killing it then i benefit either way

[warm flame]

I thought it was a lot less stam that it took, when I alt bite with deino it feels like it takes barely any stam at first but then suddenly rapidly drains it

[tepid gate]

10%

It takes 10% exactly, you can alt bite 10 times

not counting the regen ofc

[warm flame]

the regen is probably why it feels like less to me

and they all disagreed with me

[barren zephyr]

And 20 times in water

[limber hull]

i cant in good conscious downvote a monkey suggestion

[keen bough]

@main imp that is an iteresting idea, and has potential to not be crap if excecuted well enough, also it would be herra fodder

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-mmmm-monkey-turtle-kung-fu-panda-gif-17129341

[warm flame]

monkey bad ending, turtle eated him

[main imp]

yeah just imagine chasing monkeys in the trees as they jump from branch to branch. some should loose their grip and fall down too, so a carnie on the ground can get them

[keen bough]

oh my days that would be a beautiful mechanic and So fun to jump around, hunting the primate

[warm flame]

you're just a carno and you're jumpscared by a monkey falling onto you and dying

[limber hull]

monkey

[paper oriole]

This sounds kinda cancer tbh

Oh noo im in the wrong biome im gonna get sic. It is cancer in ark and in BoB

[urban flax]

Oh I haven't seen the part where carnis can't eat sick dinos
Which is kinda stupid imo

[paper oriole]

Wouldn’t be any better in the isle

[paper oriole]

Yeah thats annoying too

[urban flax]

And illogical, since in nature carnis target specifically sick animals

[paper oriole]

It only makes sense for a few diseases irl and that shits not worth doing in the isle

[limber hull]

oh good heavens, migration weakens me, better stick to my one spot

[paper oriole]

Get punished for staying in one area, also get punished for traveling. Peak game design

[limber hull]

remember kids: It is always better to punish your players for incorrect play than reward them for correct play

[urban flax]

Punition : The Game
Sounds like Dark Souls

[limber hull]

I have several years education and experience in game design, I should know

[limber hull]

No, Dark Souls is fair in its difficulty

This is outright unfair lmao

[urban flax]

Well it punishes you more often than it rewards you tho

[paper oriole]

Dark souls isnat least centered around that punishment and makes it fun

Survival game shouldn’t be a punishment simulator

[urban flax]

But I guess the rewards are good enough to make up for it and that'w what makes it a good game still

[empty epoch]

learn, overcome and adapt

Teach the dog what not to do when it does something bad

although, simple things should be given in-game

You still need "newbie" friendly things

[main imp]

Or a pachy trying to knock down food but gets a monkey on its head

[urban flax]

Walrus ? Seriously ?
Are there species of walrus that live on torpical islands that I didn't know existed ?

Same goes for bisons and moose btw, although to a lesser extent

[limber hull]

Weren't moose planned and scrapped after being mocked relentlessly

[urban flax]

You're better suited than me to know that

[limber hull]

True

[urban flax]

Although I think moose could work in colder biodomes

[low canopy]

dw i would mock the addition of both in case no one else would

[limber hull]

Moose were mocked the hell out of when the AI roster was confirmed because tropical island. We aren't in the temperate redwoods anymore

[urban flax]

They're fast and strong enough to fend off some predators

[paper oriole]

Walrus would look stupid af, would rather not have larger modern animals than we already have, personally

[limber hull]

That too

[urban flax]

I would like more modern animals, but ones that make sense
Like monkeys, birds, rats, etc...

[paper oriole]

Smaller, faster reproducing animals make more sense

[low canopy]

sloth AI wen

[limber hull]

Little lizard when

[paper oriole]

Larger fauna would get wiped by the invasive dinosaurs nabbing niches

Even small fauna often gets wiped by invasive species

[urban flax]

Unironically, I think wolves would be able to survive in The Isle, although in small numbers
But they would be bound to scavenging

[paper oriole]

God i dont want wolves

So much ugh, reminds me of that garbage mod way back

[limber hull]

Isle wolf mod?

I love Isle wolf mod

[urban flax]

I would like them, just to pose a threat to humans that isn't a dino

[limber hull]

Eh

[paper oriole]

Im sick of seeing wolves, overrated animal and basically the mascot animal of furry RPers

[limber hull]

If I get killed by a WOLF on dinosaur island

I'm gonna feel lamed out tbh

[paper oriole]

It would feel lame as fuck dying to a wolf in a dino game

[limber hull]

I wanna die to raptors and rexes and shit

[urban flax]

Yeah that's the reason I'm not gonna defend their inclusion too hard

[limber hull]

You know, the epic awesome animals

[paper oriole]

It wouldnt be cool or scary it would be like “really a dumb ass dog killed me in what is supposed to be a dinosaur horror survival?”

[urban flax]

skill issue

[limber hull]

Not skill issue I just think dying to dinosaurs will be cooler

Dying to wolves would be lame

Dinosaurs are cooler than wolves this is scientific fact

[urban flax]

I just think if devs decide to include them it's fine, if they don't, whatever. That's not like they'd be necessary to the ecosystem either.

[paper oriole]

I came here to die by dryo trample or have my brains pecked out by a ptera not deal with the most overused animal in modern survival games

[urban flax]

But foxes would actually be cool, right ?

[limber hull]

Foxes would be cooler than wolves, yes

[urban flax]

It would be fun to see a group of compies and a fox feasting on the same body

What would be the worst then ? Wolves in forests or walrus on the beaches ?

[limber hull]

Both are bad but walruses would be very silly

[paper oriole]

At least walruses are funni

Wolves are annoying in almost every game theyre in

Ark? Annoying, witcher 3?, annoying, dragons dogma? Annoying. Hate wolves

[urban flax]

Damn you're right
Even in For Honor they're damn annoying
Lemme look for a counter example though, I know there is one

[paper oriole]

I am overcome with a wave of hatred whenever i hear a wolf howl in media because of how cancerous they are as enemy mobs in any game

[urban flax]

In Valheim and Minecraft they make for cool pets ! (But annoying still)

[paper oriole]

True but its not like they’d even have that minor upside in the isle

Would be like dying to a pig but even worse because at least “i died to a damn pig” is a little bit more amusing

[urban flax]

Wolves in Tomb Raider !

[wooden mica]

everyone be like "remove shallows" bruh, shallows are natural parts of water areas, they arent always safe spots either, removing shallow altogether just tilts the gameplay too far onto deinos side, not everyone drinks at shallows anyway, but removing them altogether is big yikes, esp since babies have it tough already, no shallows is signing their death warrant, and no babies means no adults, no adults means denios are back at square one, eating eachother

[urban flax]

Instead of being removed altogether, shallows need a source of danger
Like bary or sucho
But any big predator would work

[wooden mica]

I just dont think everything needs to be danger danger danger, already have enough danger with canni herbis and the carnis kicking about LOL

[jagged jewel]

but then that would tilt the gameplay too far into the dino that is drinking's side

[wooden mica]

not really

[jagged jewel]

you're not supposed to feel safe when drinking

that's the point of deino

but the shallows ruin that

[wooden mica]

you dont feel safe drinking already anyway

[jagged jewel]

in oasis if you choose a bad spot to drink it's on you

[wooden mica]

deino isnt disabled because of shallows, lots of people drink wherever they can, and the terrestrial dinos pose a big ass risk too

[jagged jewel]

it's not disabled but it's very close to being disabled

[wooden mica]

its really not tho, theres lots of not shallow areas, theres 2 on oasis, there are also bushes there to lurk in for ambushing should you choose to target shallows dinos

but there is also umpteen places not at oasis that have no shallows at all

and they still have dinos that arent deinos

[jagged jewel]

ah yes, 18 km/h ambush

[wooden mica]

unless youre trying to smash a stego, its enough you grab a small guy and you have plenty of time to get them into water

[jagged jewel]

fair enough

[wooden mica]

the focus seems to always be "but im slow on land so get rid of shallows" but you cant have perfect conditions for deinos all the time, if youre so adamant to get shallows dinos, do your bit and ambush the things you can actually take, otherwise, stick to the many areas with deep water in that place, its not like theres no place to hunt in the water and take down unsuspecting prey

[jagged jewel]

but even then, small game barely gives you 3% hunger

[wooden mica]

the area right near the mud that every herbi sits on, its not shallow, you can take shit out there easily even big stegs cant see in that water

youre not crippled by shallows, and if you think you are you need to expand your gameplay horizons

[jagged jewel]

alright i accept defeat

[wooden mica]

for example my full adult steg was ambushed by 3 deinos i never saw while i was distracted by the one that I could see, its possible for sure haha

[jagged jewel]

what server did that happen on

[wooden mica]

eu 1

[jagged jewel]

ah damn

if it was eu3 i swear i was part of that

i have done that to a few stegos

panics them completely lol

[wooden mica]

see, you arent crippled 😉

you just want to make the hunt easy from everywhere for deino but thats just ruining the fun for anything thats isnt a deino, theres always gotta be balance, and shallows helps simulate some sort of semblance of risk and reward

[urban flax]

@latent olive What about people who prefer holding sprint ?

[stray holly]

Nah. Remove shallows.

Make the player actually pay attention to when they’re playing and find the spots that deinos are least likely to be.

[wooden mica]

as above, they already do, we dont need to make it a deinos game only when it comes to water

give and take, everyone needs a chance

[stray holly]

But when you have even one shallow spot on the map.

Everyone and their mom is gonna congregate at that spot

I.e Oasis

[wooden mica]

theres a couple places with some shallows, like in swamp, its the lack of variety in food spawn thats driving pops to oasis

not the shallows

as i said, if your playing as deino is crippled by that one spot of shallows, you need to reassess your playstyle

but yeah, people seem to think its shallows that makes people go to oasis, but its food, its the lack of food locations that are consistent. oasis always has food nearby, everywhere else, unless its mushrooms, is barren for both sides. stop blaming shallows lol

oh and i also wanted to add, i often, OFTEN see people die at oasis drinking at the areas that arent shallow.

[gritty helm]

The issue with shallows is how they're made not the fact that they exist. Originally it was a massive stretch of water that literally everything could flock to and drink safely from and Deino just had to suck it up and cannibalize 24/7 cause that was the only reliable food source. now the shallow area in oasis functions similarly in allowing everything to drink safely away from the deep water and all Deino can do is watch and starve assuming one even gets to oasis in the first place

If droughts were a thing that was properly implemented and they naturally forced players to move from these shallow spots cause the water dries up or whatever then it wouldn't be as big of a deal but that just isn't the case currently

[spare hearth]

The shallow parts of oasis is a big factor for it being such a hotspot, yes the abundance of food in the area is a big factor too, but any player basically has no fear of a deino at oasis unless a carni drops a body and a deino comes out to take it. Plus tenos and carnos can easily stand in the shallow parts and make it wayyyy harder for a utah to get em

plus mud pit

[wooden mica]

you guys arent seeing the point on my side though, you say people dont fear deinos and only drink in shallows but its very much not the case, obviously once people can actually spread out this wont be such an issue, but in all honesty, people are making shallows out to be much much worse than it is, the food really is the biggest obstacle here, with not enough food for both carnis AND herbis, there shouldnt be a point in which either side has to starve, in saying that for the people who always want realism, deinos would have no doubt cannibalised the younger unprotected deinos, being opportunistic as well as ambush predators, I guess what im trying to emphasize here is shallows isnt the big bad right now. hunting can and is possible in oasis at the umpteen non shallow areas and ive seen it time and again, if youre only hunting on shallows and cant get kills there, thats on you, people will play how they want to, taking away the shallows ruins this aspect of the game for some people to please others, but in the whole circle of things, there are far bigger issues than "shallows makes the game easy for anyone not a deino, so take it out so i can kill whoever, whenever"

[signal beacon]

Yea food is a huge problem. Shallows is just throwing gasoline into an already raging dumpster fire

[wooden mica]

already raging deino fire*

[tawdry void]

just lost two carnos when i for some reason logged in as a utah

[spark vigil]

You lost to a Carno when you logged in as a Utah? Sounds like intended functionality. If you're being sarcastic, my point isn't that carnivores in general shouldn't fight. It should simply be that there's some massive downsides to killing your own species for the hell of it.

[wooden mica]

i thought he meant the bug where you log in as a dino you werent when you logged out

[spark vigil]

Ahh I gotcha.

[limber hull]

i'd like to point out that deinos aren't everywhere

not every watersource WILL have a deino

and deinos tend to congregate where the action is

so in a hypothetical world where all the shallows are gone, it'd be a matter of finding places to drink quickly and safely before leaving

[spark vigil]

Shallows will never be 100% gone.

[limber hull]

i mean

they COULD be

[spark vigil]

lol The wishes of a hopeful Deinosuchus main.

[wooden mica]

I guess to go onto that angle, deinos do indeed go to where the action is, and in doing that they need to deal with the topography that is there, if they choose to be where theres a large group of dinos at that point, they need to work and thrive in that place by working around its benefits and drawbacks, just like herbis have to work around any non shallow water and just, every bush in the area possibly having a carni

[limber hull]

not a deino main just saying

[spark vigil]

Just saying, as a player that wants changes to the map heavily skewed in the favor of Deinosuchus.

[manic flint]

They shouldn't be
At least when bary and sucho get in

[limber hull]

when dd i say i wanted it

[spark vigil]

You literally just did.

[limber hull]

literally when

i pointed out a hypothetical

[wooden mica]

just like herbis have to have a grain of salt when they go drink at a deep water zone and die, as should deinos have their grain of salt when they choose to hunt in an isolated water source that has both deep and shallow areas, if you follow my train of thought here :>

[barren zephyr]

The issue is there is too many shallow places that are also too safe at the same time

[spark vigil]

Around here, and when you said they "COULD be" implying you wanted this to be the case which would cause the water sources to heavily favor Deinosuchus.

[manic flint]

Imo remove most shallows until we get sucho or something

[wooden mica]

They did, as above mentioned they removed a major area of shallows

[limber hull]

I'm saying it's entirely within the devs power to do that, not that I want that

[barren zephyr]

In every river there is probably more shallow places, so shallow that Deino's will basically always be seen by anyone with a keen eye, than there is deep places

The second the pond is deep everyone will instantly go to shallow river and so on

[wooden mica]

theres one strip i can think of in the river that deinos become exposed, it is also in an area that has a flat small area and then walls on both sides, a migration river if you will

again, a choice for both sides to be there

[barren zephyr]

There is no big problem with few shallow places that are somewhat/relatively safe.

But shallow places rn are basically everywhere and they are also 100% safe since movement speed doesn't affect ripples

[wooden mica]

where else has large shallows? I know oasis, that one area of river youtubers seem to end up on

[spark vigil]

Let us not mince words, then. Would you want that?

[wooden mica]

and some bits n bobs in swamp

[barren zephyr]

Delta river for like a third quarter is just shallow

So is Center river

[wooden mica]

how have i never found that spot

[barren zephyr]

South river is just a joke for Deino because god dan

[limber hull]

I'd like for some more danger to come to drinking and less reliance on the shallows we have now, but I would not like every single shallow spot to be entirely erased, and I feel shallows will have far more a place with waders like sucho and cherry.

[wooden mica]

anywho i guess, to say it in a way thats a bit crude here.... deinos need to go bite a rock and chill, youre doing just fine. if youre eating eachother at oasis because food, go elsewhere, just like everyone else

[manic flint]

We can get larger stretches of shallows when sucho comes along. For now though, there is just way too much shallow water

[barren zephyr]

I go elsewhere and I barely get anything other than fish and Deinos.

[wooden mica]

i mean, thats the point of fish, or am I completely wrong

[barren zephyr]

Tbh gettibg rid of every shallow place is also not gonna change much since you can just hear deinos swim when you out your camera underwater

[wooden mica]

to top you up til the food rolls in

[barren zephyr]

The point of fish is for small deinos, not to be the life savior of adults

[wooden mica]

or live on fish, i mean, ive done it

[spark vigil]

I too have lived on fish as an adult Deinosuchus.

[barren zephyr]

But that isn't the point

[wooden mica]

its not awful, not great too but i mean, its about the same as when youre a steg living off whatever you can find

it is the point i was making in the start

food is the issue not shallows

when you roll it all back around, you dont want to live on fish, we need more food

[barren zephyr]

Deino doesn't have food aside fish or itself BECAUSE of shallows tho

[wooden mica]

[spark vigil]

There's only the places I can think of where crossing are and Oasis that people can drink without too much risk. I'm not sure how it's implied that there's a large disadvantage to Deinosuchus players or how players rely on it too much. I've seen plenty of people drink from areas other than the shallow water and be snagged by a massive Crocodilian waiting there.

[barren zephyr]

If there is any shallow spot that guarantees 100% safety people will exploit that

[spark vigil]

I feel your pain, lol

[wooden mica]

idnod hold the phone and just.... digest whats being said here my guy

[spark vigil]

So, if there aren't any shallows, it could be said that Deinosuchus players will exploit the hell out of that.

[wooden mica]

👆

[barren zephyr]

But you can also just put your camera underwater and hear them

[signal beacon]

Once sucho gets added shallows will have risk, but still, people will flock to them because at least your not getting insta-killed by a croc.

Also once people are actually spread across the map, deinos could be literally anywhere, so the "find a spot no one goes to" argument wont really last

[spark vigil]

I've never been able to do that nor would I be intelligent to take my eyes off what's going on around me to try and exploit the game that way as I doubt it's intentional that it (the camera) is to be used in that manner.

[wooden mica]

hearing deinos by chucking a cam in water sounds like a bug that needs fixing but not another reason to remove shallows

[barren zephyr]

Okay how about this then

[low canopy]

nuking creative map design for one big oversized croc, #priorities

[wooden mica]

and for the record i too have never done cam in water ears

[signal beacon]

All my suggestion was saying is that if you are going to make shallows rare/non existent, deino's grab needs a change or else no one will want to play anything other than deino out of fear of having all their progress wiped instantly

[barren zephyr]

The chance of a Deino being at this very specific deep spot vs the chance of everyone being at a 100% safe water source, which is more likely

[signal beacon]

God i wish we could have ponds and nice shallow creeks

[wooden mica]

its not just one spot, are you.... are you even in the same plane of thinking here? idnod are we even talking about the same shit anymore

[low canopy]

cant wait for unofficials to finally get to make their servers and pick one with deino disabled

[spark vigil]

Diets ensure that people are further away from shallow water sources 100% of the time. I myself drink from water that isn't considered shallows quite often. I just pick spots that I rarely see Deinosuchus at. Thus, your argument falls to shambles, already.

[barren zephyr]

You said that Deino's exploit it if there is 0 shallow spots but I disagree

[wooden mica]

I do say deinos can and would exploit it

[barren zephyr]

But what are the chances of a Deino being specifically where you drink?

[wooden mica]

the nature of exploits is, if someone finds it, they will use it

[low canopy]

current map has lead to the amount of deinos to decrease drastically, however the opposite would also be true

[spark vigil]

About 50/50 being that I've been snagged by one before- multiple times.

[barren zephyr]

Definitely lower than everyone exploiting 1 shallow spot

[signal beacon]

Pretty high depending on the population. and still, its stupid that rng decides your fate against deino

[wooden mica]

Ive had many deinos get me, mostly in NON shallow water, and one has ambushed me on land near shallows

[spark vigil]

Fuck, I've even had one kill me from the bushes next to the shallow water. lolol

[warm flame]

you never expect the deino in the bush

[spark vigil]

THIS

[wooden mica]

shallows isnt crippling you unless you are ONLY hunting in shallows

[signal beacon]

I want grab to actually be a fun mechanic and not a copy and paste mosa grab from BoB

[barren zephyr]

But I don't even go near shallow spots

[spark vigil]

That sounds like a you problem.

[wooden mica]

I was about to say that

[warm flame]

you drink from water and let out a sigh of relief after not being lunged by a deino, then on your way away from the river a deino lunged out of the bush and... drowns you in a bush

[spark vigil]

In my case I just got clapped as a Utah.

[barren zephyr]

And you getting killed by a deino because you decided to drink at a deep spot or not use something extremely against the deino is also a you problem

[warm flame]

I've never been lunged by a bush deino but I've had close calls and tried it once myself

[wooden mica]

This argument is just, contradictions galore

also bush deino 10/10 heartattack

[warm flame]

I went past a bush and heard the lunge of a deino and was surprised I had the consciousness to run away

[signal beacon]

Okay so, lets say shallows have been completely removed, and people are actually spread throughout the map. Now whenever you go to drink you have to let rng decide if you live or instantly lose all of you progress with no way to escape

[wooden mica]

I just dont get why you want the game to be 10/10 hard for everyone else but deino, deino needs a challenge too, and about all we can do have shallows

[barren zephyr]

Do you even know what rng means

[signal beacon]

okay fine, let chance decide if you live or die. smartass

[wooden mica]

oof

[barren zephyr]

But isn't that the exact same with basically everything else

[low canopy]

no, dino balance takes care of that

[warm flame]

I think if mudpools were more frequent and deinos could better hide in them easier then you wouldn't need all shallows to be removed
I do think a lot of the shallows at oasis should be removed though

[wooden mica]

[barren zephyr]

It's just a chance of that one Carno coming and killing you out of nowhere

[signal beacon]

I'm compleatly fine with shallows being rare/removed IF deino;s grab isn't a unavoidable one shot once hit

[barren zephyr]

Just a chance of you being the lone Stego and having this pack of 6+ Utahs come to your specific location

[warm flame]

I've seen people survive deino lunges and even been one myself

[barren zephyr]

But Deino's grab is avoidable

[spark vigil]

lol How does that make sense, friend? What you just said. You specifically point out how shallows need to be reduced or removed entirely and we point out that your choice not to try to hunt around them is a problem you've inflicted upon yourself and then you turn around and tell us not using shallows which you are insanely against the existence of is then my problem.

Except it's not. Having shallows spread out across the map which causes players to travel and thus be preyed upon by other carnivores is good game design. Your lack of resilience and wanting to have a good time at Oasis is not a flaw in the design of the map.

RNG is not the greatest game design. People like it when the skill of the player decides on if they'll live or die. It's acceptable in some circumstances but a game that relies heavily on it (COUGH ARK) can be quite frustrating to play.

[signal beacon]

both of these situations you can survive. or at least try to. deino is just grab and game over with zero effort from the deino

[spark vigil]

At this point, you clearly want Deinosuchus to have the advantage in a game that's not remotely finished when there are other issues at hand. It's obvious. Just tell us you want to be able to kill more people as a Deinosuchus.

[wooden mica]

And Im over here like, lets deal with the fuckin food shit rn not "ooh i cant attack wherever whenever" food for carnis, food for herbis, when its not such a big issue of if youre going to starve then things iron out a little

[barren zephyr]

Put your camera underwater and hear the deino approach

[wooden mica]

get good at hunting

[signal beacon]

pretty sure thats a bug

[barren zephyr]

No

[spark vigil]

I wonder if it's a bannable offense to spread information about something that clearly sounds like an exploit.

[barren zephyr]

It's been a thing eversince evrima launched

[signal beacon]

and the camera rework may not allow that to be done

[low canopy]

why would it be bannable, sounds like spreadin awareness of something that needs it

[wooden mica]

just because its been here for a while doesnt make it not a bug LOL

[signal beacon]

The whole spawning as a baby utah outside of the map has been here for a while as well. guess its a feature

[wooden mica]

the fatal errors, must be a feature too

[spark vigil]

I'm not trying to be difficult when I say this: spreading awareness isn't the same thing as suggesting that people exploit a bug in a game.

[signal beacon]

and the busted food values

[barren zephyr]

I'd have less of an issue with shallows if different movement speeds affected ripples

[wooden mica]

falling through rocks on the map and getting stuck under the terrain... feature

[barren zephyr]

And not a "Whoops, you were just a tiny bit too close to the surface, there goes your meal"

[wooden mica]

thats how water works

[spark vigil]

I played Deinosuchus for almost a month in Jan. I killed plenty of people at Oasis.

[barren zephyr]

Through bushes

[wooden mica]

you ever see literally any big fish/shark/croc swim in real life? they make ripples even if they dont break surface

[spark vigil]

The point is, I killed them, yes? 2/3 of the time it was people being careless. I was using my skill to hunt and kill people in the Isle.

[barren zephyr]

Lol

[spark vigil]

You wouldn't believe the times people would go into the water to try and escape each other, and I would be there waiting.

[signal beacon]

Pressing right click = skill i guess

[wooden mica]

woah now, wrong target here anky LOL

[spark vigil]

Nooo hiding in bushes and hitting left-click. Get it right, man.

Most of the time I have difficulties as Deinosuchus is growing up, or on low-pop servers which the game isn't balanced around.

[signal beacon]

Implying the game is balanced at all

[wooden mica]

even on 100 pop it feels kinda low on the player level for an obv reason tho LOL

[spark vigil]

Haha that's a good point.

[wooden mica]

We need food, give us food..... fix the food

[barren zephyr]

Wtf do you even mean with that

[signal beacon]

Hmmm, what about a courting animation?

[spark vigil]

Mean with what?

[barren zephyr]

You have been preaching that the entire time and I still have no idea wtf you mean

[wooden mica]

fuck yo chicken strips, i want boosh and animal spawn increases and locational increases

[barren zephyr]

"Locational increases"

[wooden mica]

of food

[barren zephyr]

Aha

Food distribution for herbs is being improved atleast

[signal beacon]

Fixing the game:

Unfinished courting animation:

[low canopy]

what annoys me to no ends is knowing that those court anims are done, but are still fed to us in a slow pace

[barren zephyr]

What annoys me is how they have a shit ton of other shit they could show us but refuse to do so

[wooden mica]

its all about the mystery.... the MySTeRy

[low canopy]

i would like to ask why that is the case,
but i can already guess that just showing off X involves alot of "extra" work

[barren zephyr]

We know Beipiao's sounds are finished. Show us those.
Cera/Herrera/Beipi in general have animation work done on them, show us that

[limber hull]

i fail to see what courting animations have to do with fixing the game

[barren zephyr]

Maybe even some skin stuff

[limber hull]

like, you do realise the animators DON'T fix gameplay issues?

[signal beacon]

That... was the joke...

[wooden mica]

wave.... bruuuuh

[limber hull]

im not sure you realise this but

animators don't actually fix gameplay issues, god forbid

[icy lion]

Many, many people have said such things unironically

[signal beacon]

It... was a joke.

I don't see how you could take that seriously

[wooden mica]

at this point I cant even handle the circles chats been going in LOL

[limber hull]

god damn, first time someone said that stupid shit ironically lmao. Most people genuinely believe that animations = not working on gameplay issues

Forgive the confusion but I've seen that argument used unironically countless times

[signal beacon]

Oh yea the animators have nothing to do with the current game anymore. hell juvi pachys animations are done. but i guess we will have to wait another month to have it implemented

[barren zephyr]

We might get a patch on monday

Might

[spark vigil]

I'll also point this out: Diets exist for a reason and people killing each other needlessly outside of those diets (and outside of being carnivores) disrupts the gameplay. I've lost count how many times I've been killed by a Pachy as any dinosaur at any growth stage because: why not? Fuck, I've been killed by other Pachies as a Pachy.

100% a group of Pachies going around, probably in Discord together, just slaughtering everyone regardless of what dino they were.

[signal beacon]

thats just a problem with any animal

[spark vigil]

So, my take is to fix that.

[signal beacon]

pachy is just a good enough animal to be used for it

[barren zephyr]

So then how would you fix it.

Give me your ideas

[spark vigil]

But, does that mean it's enjoyable to navigate the game under the pretense that you could die at any moment by your own species? There's nothing to notify you that combat is about to begin or that the individual is friendly or not. You might just get cucked for no reason.

My fix is in #balance-feedback

[signal beacon]

Im fine with aggro herbis. just not when their used in originated mix packs that wipe the server. but there really isn't a way to stop it. and i HATE the easily abused "debuff when around other animals" idea

[low canopy]

aggro herbies are not an issue that needs fixing

[barren zephyr]

And where

[spark vigil]

But, it's not "around other animals" it's specifically when people are fighting one another.

[signal beacon]

its more mix packing death squads, but that doesn't need a whole ass debuff system to solve

[low canopy]

you'd have to design such an obnoxious system to prevent that it would cause more damage than good, never mind how stale playing herbivore would become

[spark vigil]

I can't take you seriously enough to have a reasonable discussion with you, man.

[signal beacon]

#general-feedback message is it this post @spark vigil ?

[wooden mica]

aggro ones no, murdering everything in sight for shits an giggles and even crossing large areas of land JUST to kill a random herbi.... is

[spark vigil]

Indeed. It's an idea, but it's not perfect- I do realize this.

[signal beacon]

yea that will be abused very easily. a debuff system is not the way to go

[barren zephyr]

So

You get attacked by a group of like 3 pachy's as a Teno

[signal beacon]

and its kinda punishing for herbivore defending territory and food

[barren zephyr]

You manage to kill 1 or 2 of them

In self defense

[spark vigil]

Any takes you might have? I thought the bounty system was pretty sharp.

[wooden mica]

I still like the idea of bumpercars, no one can hit anyone else, you just bounce around

[barren zephyr]

So now you get nerfed/debuffed

[spark vigil]

If you read the post, you'd see that's not what I said at all.

[barren zephyr]

Suddenly their Carno buddy that was in discord with them comes and kills you

[wooden mica]

this conversations just turning into the deep dive into the human psyche

[mental sleet]

People are uncontrollable, they will do what is most fun, and for a lot of people, it is very fun to ruin someone else's day or get into fights all the time, expecially lacking nesting and the like.

All most of these attempts to limit this will do is end up with a less fun game overall in an attempt to curb something that has been a key part of the game since the get-go

[spark vigil]

I say this out of curiosity, but how do you think nesting would lend a hand to preventing it?

[signal beacon]

An "Infamy" system could be cool but it'd need VERY careful balancing. these humans have ranges weapons so anything that encourages humans to hunt/capture a dino needs careful balancing

[mental sleet]

Well it is as simple as giving them something else to do Nano.

People will do what they think is fun, so give them more things that they might find fun.

[spark vigil]

This is true enough.

[barren zephyr]

Seems pretty abusable

[spark vigil]

So, if someone hits you first and they get punished for it- and you end up killing them how does that seem abusable?

[signal beacon]

Also there is PLENTY of reasons herbivores shoudl attack eachother.

[barren zephyr]

If 4 pachy's come charging at you and all charge their headbutt, you'll just let all 4 of then hit you?

[signal beacon]

territory, food, nesting rights, etc

[wooden mica]

thats not the reason they do it now tho

[barren zephyr]

And what if 2 more come then? Will you just let them hit you too?

Until eventually you get killed no matter what?

[signal beacon]

This. it prevents you from defening yourself until AFTER your injured

[spark vigil]

You're looking at niche situations but one of them would without a doubt get hit with a debuff. Over time, they'd attack more people and be punished for it. It's not something that's just meant to make their heads implode on contact.

[signal beacon]

Herbivores are not social gentle giants. They will fuck each other up if they dont like the way they looked at them

[barren zephyr]

Well, I don't usually say this but

The idea is pretty stupid

[wooden mica]

I think we all need to stop here and take a break to gather thoughts because things keep going round and getting weirdly sassy, go grab a drink or some shit, come back in 5 and resume with a clearer mind

[spark vigil]

You've literally said that to everyone who has said anything that counters your idea to how the game should work- though in gentler terms.

[signal beacon]

Honestly Iv'e seen people ask for herbivores to be debuffed if they kill a carnivore

[barren zephyr]

I have not said that things are outright stupid. But that idea is actually stupid

[spark vigil]

I would agree. I also agreed with your points earlier that you could have an infamy system.

[barren zephyr]

I like herbivores killing eachother when it comes to territory and competition or food

[wooden mica]

go touch grass guys, off you go...

[spark vigil]

I would also agree with MultiDavid, that as people get more things to do this would become less of a problem.

[spark vigil]

I just have to say your PFP gif is perfect for this discussion.

[wooden mica]

I appreciate that you like it

[barren zephyr]

1 AM here

[wooden mica]

fuck man, i dunno, go look out the window then LOL

[barren zephyr]

But I'm watching Daredevil ;-;

[wooden mica]

no wonder youre so into arguing

[barren zephyr]

Not arguing, more-so discussing

[wooden mica]

kekeke ik ik, anyway go touch some proverbial grass n come back

[barren zephyr]

You go touch grass

[wooden mica]

fine, I will.

[barren zephyr]

That's what I thought

[wooden mica]

I was already going to do it, touching grass is good for the psyche

[barren zephyr]

You set me up for a perfect your mom joke there

[latent olive]

Then enable hold sprint in options or something

Don’t know why on earth you’d hold shift in this game

[barren zephyr]

Or you can just hold it instead of tapping

[limber hull]

i'd simply bind it to a different key

space bar maybe, since our ceratopsian buddies likely ain't gonna jump lmao, or RMB since that's where most special abilities go

[icy lion]

RMB for consistency with carno charge and all other major abilities since it's nearly the same

[limber hull]

Frankly, I don't even think all ceratopsians need to charge, and this doesn't account for animals like protoceratops or pachyrhino

[strange wave]

ava

[barren zephyr]

ceratops

[limber hull]

ava has tiny little horns he counts

[tepid gate]

@signal beacon Ngl, you are spot on with that feedback about Deino

Just a trash playable all around really, idk if how they want to fix it but I'd start off by downsizing it

[sick dirge]

Deino is already tragically undersized

[limber hull]

It is funny how people ask for deino to be downsized and it already isn't even very large in terms of how deinos go

[signal beacon]

Downsizing it wont help with the problem grab poses

[spark vigil]

In before they have you type in the Konami code to grab.

[limber hull]

honestly, you COULD make dragging require more input from deino, but if you're grabbing, like, a utah as an 8 ton animal, you should just pick it up and drown it lmao. You could make it that bigger animal = harder pull, but we should have small animals just be picked up and drowned honestly

[sick dirge]

^this

[barren zephyr]

I liked the old idea of deinos lunge

[empty epoch]

which

[barren zephyr]

Basically, you had to time it with your bite

So you'd need to lunge out, and time your lmb to grab them

[empty epoch]

ok

[paper oriole]

Dryo sand attack

Galli sand attack

[low canopy]

dryo mud attack

<@&401466542140817419>

[limber hull]

no

[barren zephyr]

@twin cedar We got 'em again

I think y'all should make people aware of this particular scam

[severe idol]

We already put out a statement on scams and their difficulties. This isn’t the place to teach basic internet safety.

[limber hull]

I really don't know what fool sees a random link by some guy they don't know in the spammed in every channel of a discord asking them to click a link they don't recognise and goes "this sounds legit"

[limber hull]

that is bizarre feedback idk what to take from that

[merry mantle]

I lost braincells reading that

[lyric spoke]

Idk Have you seen them next to a human they're pretty fkn big

[paper oriole]

Standing still draining stam?

Shouldnt have to drain stam just to halt your obnoxious idle animations when every carni can do it for free

[severe idol]

Holding your breath and keeping still drain stam.

Not a lot of resources in the game to drain and maintain.

Especially after running, you try to hunker down and stay still? Good luck keeping steady.

[sand lantern]

It’s like needing limited power to close a door and keep out Freddy

[paper oriole]

What lmao

And standing still instead of swaying around and snorting and wiggling your tail has 0 excuse to drain stam

Are carnis hemorrhaging stamina while “holding their breath” crouching in a bush for 10 minutes?

[spark vigil]

I mean, nobody said it would hemorrhage stamina. It just has a stamina cost in some form as one uses energy from their muscles to freeze.

[paper oriole]

The point still stands. It is a stupid idea to strap a stamina cost on to herbivores for the same utility that carnivores have for free. Anyone should be able to tone down their often way overdone idle sounds and animations, just because something eats grass doesn’t mean it should be punished for hiding with a resource cost while the other faction can go afk doing the same shit

Herbivores and omnivores that cant crouch should be able to tone down their idles just like carnivores

The devs go batshit crazy on idle sounds and animations that screw people over constantly

Even sitting is loud as hell for a lot of dinos

[tight oxide]

me when utah purrs like cat

legit sitting when a carno is searching for me and my ootah purrs louder than the carno itself

[paper oriole]

Bruh ive found so many utahs because of that purr lmao

[tight oxide]

why does ootah even purr thoooo

[paper oriole]

I also use crouch instead of sitting as utah because of it

[tight oxide]

i crouch alot but

[paper oriole]

God knows

[tight oxide]

the purr is a what moment

[paper oriole]

Utah purrs, pachy has an asthma attack, ptera clicks randomly

[tight oxide]

how do you look at a giant raptor dinosaur that has claws made for bleeding and ripping and say "Ya lets add a purr to it"

[paper oriole]

Utah is probably the worst though

[tight oxide]

utah purr comes out the most so ye

[paper oriole]

Utah attracts a lot of UWU players so maybe it was for them lol

I hate it so much

[tight oxide]

I mean i met people who said utah should keep purr cus cute

[paper oriole]

Its a fun playable but it looks and sounds stupid af

[tight oxide]

but cute doesnt work in the game...

[paper oriole]

Cute doesn’t work when you're prey for a lot of other animals and a kos target for others

[tight oxide]

least they could do is idk make certain idle sounds stop when near a player that you can see

i say that you can see cus if you couldnt then ambushing becomes useless

but even then would be better to remove loud idle sounds

[paper oriole]

They should just remove most idle sounds when an animal, especially a prey animal is in a vulnerable stance like sitting

And utah can be counted as a prey animal due to its spot in the tier system

[tight oxide]

me when utah has to start competing with cera, allo, acro, dilo and alberto soon

and purr go brrr

[paper oriole]

Yeah utah when its purr can get it oneshot

[tight oxide]

ill say utah is the ultimate fight back prey really

its a prey that has a huge risk if you are alone and its in a pack

[paper oriole]

It can fight back and is also a predator, but it is prey to many as well, or will be as the roster continues to expand

[tight oxide]

i think utah will be more viable when tree climbing comes tho

like wont have to worry about purr as much getting you killed

dont think that cera or allo gonna start climbing

[paper oriole]

They can repurpose the purr for an emote or even keep it for sleeping but when an animal is sitting and making itself vulnerable and conscious, it shouldnt be making all that noise

Utah's climb concept looks like a momentum climb at most, which i suppose would get it out of range of things like cera though

[tight oxide]

i think pot emote wheel could work in ti...

and make idles more quiet

i dunno more emotes to make your dino feel more alive that are optional like calls would be cool

[paper oriole]

I mean it could yeah, i also dont mind active idles but we should be able to toggle them off with a caution stance or just a low activity stance on any animal the way carnis currently can

[tight oxide]

also

teno crouch when?

you would think it could bend down a bit...

[paper oriole]

Idk how weird tenonto would look crouching, though if they can do it then they should

[tight oxide]

i mean it wouldnt be a crazy bend down

[paper oriole]

Herbis and omnis should at least be able to lower their heads and keep their movements and idle noise to a minimum

[tight oxide]

wonder if update5 is gonna fix this maybe...

probably not since devs never mentioned the problem with idles

[paper oriole]

Yeah its been a problem since legacy and has never even been addressed by the devs as far as i know

[tight oxide]

wonder how many things update 5 will fix

[paper oriole]

They even seem fixated on not giving anyone but carni walksniff even though they just made carnis able to SPRINT while tracking people and at the same time made herbi scent worse

[tight oxide]

like oasis removal...

[paper oriole]

Quality of life seems to be their last concern in this game

[tight oxide]

diets being somewhat better for carnivores

[paper oriole]

Diets are pretty shite on both sides

[tight oxide]

it used to be higher priority

back when evrima was starting

[tight oxide]

but imo mostly carnis since from what i saw herbis can fill up faster and its kinda easier to find a diet plant

plus over powered no starve grazing

[paper oriole]

Yeah they just have to go to oasis lmao

Grazing makes sense, the point of carnis is they have to work and fight fir food

[spark vigil]

I'm pretty sure carnivores move and make noises while crouched.

[paper oriole]

But oasis sucks ass

[tight oxide]

just saying grazing should take hours for pachy to even feel something from it....

[paper oriole]

Barely

[tight oxide]

not much

plus you cant smell their prints

[paper oriole]

Im not talking a full on t pose freeze up, but they silence themselves a LOT

and yeah the tracks too

Theg get a way out of the OP new carni scent and only some herbis/omnis get it

The rest are fucked ig

You a trike? Know 3 rexes are tracking you? Just die ig

That's how the future looks

[tight oxide]

to be fair teno can fight back to make up for no crouch but i can see that not being good long

[paper oriole]

No way to silence yourself or hide tracks

[tight oxide]

how is teno gonna hide from a giga or something lol

[paper oriole]

Tenonto can fight but some situations require flight

[tight oxide]

but it wont be fighting back against a higher mid tier like alberto or acro

thats when it runs

but tracking go brrrr

[paper oriole]

A tenonto and other animals without crouch should be able to silence themselves, lower their heads and step lightly to become harder to track just like all predators have the privilege of doing

[spark vigil]

I see that your take on this is very balanced. Honestly, the only reason I knew the juvenile Pachy I killed today was in a bush (myself, playing as Carno) was because I saw them go in. Even then, I wasn't sure if they left or not and it was by chance that I happened to bite around until I found them. So, I'm sorry but I'm not buying your take on this.

[paper oriole]

Otherwise we have giga vs para from legacy all over again

[tight oxide]

so uh hear me out

being a cannible should be ok with all carnivores

i think the non cannible pros out weigh being a cannible

[paper oriole]

Nice story i guess, but that has nothing to do with this?

[tight oxide]

doesnt help how eating your own kind when really needed screws you up harshly

[spark vigil]

It does. The Pachy didn't need a freeze mechanic to hide from me.

[paper oriole]

Thats one situation though

[tight oxide]

ill say thats you not being more aware...

[paper oriole]

I could say i saw a utah crouching towards me so utah doesnt need crouch

[tight oxide]

juvie pachy is slow as hell

[paper oriole]

And yeah even a young deino can run down a juv pachy, lost my poor friend like that lmao

[spark vigil]

Well, you two have clearly made up your minds, with a situation that could apply to a broad number of scenarios meaning absolutely nothing to you. At this point, anything I say will fail to hold any weight. You've convinced yourself that all other points on this will automatically be wrong, regardless of content or validity.

[paper oriole]

You used one crappy example of seeing the slowest animal in the game entering a bush and spam biting.

[tight oxide]

i mean what good reason is there to not give herbivores and omnivores a way to silent their idles more

i just dont see whats bad about it

doesnt help with the new scent system

plus how do you want to hide from a apex hunter when they come out

just saying i can see teno going extinct to bigger carnivores if idles stay like this

[paper oriole]

Carnis can sprint while tracking somebody across the map and people without crouch can do jack shit about it unless they waste time making pit stops at the few mud pits that are almost always at active areas, open areas and the scent mask wears off almost instantly

[tight oxide]

also

how will teno avoid cera lmao

cera gonna have a fast swim too...

[paper oriole]

How will magy avoid any mid tier

[tight oxide]

we dont talk about magy....

no no no...

[paper oriole]

True magy can just die

[tight oxide]

magy should just shoot its organs out as a special move

[paper oriole]

More important animals though should be able to move cautiously

[tight oxide]

so uh hypsi being able to blind while being pinned when

[paper oriole]

Magy can self destruct after entrapping you in its ejected intestines

[sick pond]

@bold palm none of those AI suggestions make sense

[tight oxide]

eating magy should insta kill you

smelling a dead magy should make you vomit

[paper oriole]

I dont think it would save it but theres 0 reason for it not to be abke to

[sick pond]

at least come up with something that can live on a tropical island

[tight oxide]

its more of a f u before being sent to death

[paper oriole]

Hypsi should be allowed one last “fuck you” when it gets pinned

[tight oxide]

yea

[paper oriole]

“Fuk yoo i speet on yoo”

[tight oxide]

lol

imagine pinning hypsi only to not see the body cus blinded for a bit

then carno rams you

[paper oriole]

Perfect

[tight oxide]

ok what if hypsi spit aim was more like dilo spit in pce...

would be easier to aim

while not being a aim bot

[paper oriole]

Silverfox thinks the isle is in canada or some shit lol

[paper oriole]

A better aim spit would be nice since its shit for defense rn

Atm hypsis spit aim makes it good only for trolling or assisting other animals while an enemy is preoccupied

[tight oxide]

yea... no i dont really believe his words until he proves worthy

[barren zephyr]

@scarlet nova

[keen bough]

It's not a problem with herbis or omnis it's a thing with quadrapedes that they can't crouch and bipeds can, pachy can crouch and so can omni, I don't think a stego or teno should crouch though

[barren zephyr]

I think Teno could crouch

[keen bough]

Ok a lower walk/stand would be ok but a full on crouch would look a bit... Janky I guess?

I understand quadrapedes like lions and stuff can full on crouch but idk, can't imagine it on a teno

[manic flint]

Imo z walk should remove tracks for all bipeds

[keen bough]

But then everybody would exploit it and scent would be useless, sure that would give them ( prey ) a chance but then carnis whole mechanic is useless

[manic flint]

It would be the same as crouching for pachy

[latent olive]

@whole furnace megalania, titanoboa and triceratops are already confirmed

terror birds are a no

and microraptors i think they said something about them a long time ago

[whole furnace]

I did not know that, thank you! I was looking on the wiki page and those weren’t listed

[latent olive]

The Isle Confirmed Dinos

-Acrocanthosaurus atokensis
-Albertosaurus sarcophagus
-Allosaurus fragilis
-Ankylosaurus magniventris
-Austroraptor cabazai
-Avaceratops lammersi

-Baryonyx walkeri
-Beipiaosaurus inexpectus
-Brachiosaurus altithorax
-Brontosaurus ajax

-Camarasaurus supremus
-Carnotaurus sastrei
-Ceratosaurus nasicornis
-Charcharodontosaurus saharicus
-Compsognathus longipes

-Deinocheirus mirificus
-Deinosuchus hatcheri
-Diabloceratops eatoni
-Dilophosaurus wetherilli
-Dryosaurus altus

-Gallimimus bullatus
-Giganotosaurus carolinii

-Herrerasaurus ischigualastensis
-Homalocephale calathoceros
-Hypsilophodon foxii

-Kentrosaurus aethiopicus

-Magyarosaurus dacus
-Maiasaura peeblesorum
-Megalania (Varanus priscus)
-Minmi paravertebra
-Monolophosaurus jiangi

-Orodromeus makelai
-Oviraptor philoceratops

-Pachycephalosaurus wyomingensis
-Pachyrhinosaurus canadensis
-Parasaurolophus tubicen
-Plateosaurus engelhardti
-Protoceratops andrewsi
-Psittacosaurus mongoliensis
-Pteranodon longiceps

-Quetzalcoatlus northropi

-Rauisuchus tiradentes
-Rugops primus

-Shantungosaurus giganteus
-Spinosaurus aegyptiacus
-Stegosaurus stenops
-Styracosaurus albertensis
-Suchomimus tenerensis

-Tenontosaurus tilleti
-Therizinosaurus cheloniformis
-Titanoboa cerrejonens
-Triceratops horridus
-Troodon inaequalis
-Tyrannosaurus rex

-Utahraptor ostrommaysorum

-Velociraptor mongoliensis

thats the full list of playables coming to the isle

with the exception of rauisuchus, which may be canned

[whole furnace]

I can’t wait for titanoboa then 😁

Is there a way to pin that message?

[urban flax]

It's probably gonna be one of the last creatures to ever be added into the game

[whole furnace]

Yep they got a lot of work to do!

[urban flax]

And only admins can pin messages

[limber hull]

Yo why are people downvoting BlazedChris he isn't wrong

Shallows looks REALLY nice atm, making them deeper would fix the issue

[low canopy]

i actually think this is better, as if shallows was deeper not only would it be surrounded by cliffs but the water itself would serve little purpose as deep

[limber hull]

True

However it looks fucking sick atm as my counter-argument

[low canopy]

i'm kinda hoping that like devblog states, it can be used as "highway" outside of plains to dodge carnos while representing different dangers, but its too early to say how players behave

and ye it looks sick, by far my favorite spot on the map but its just not being used

[keen bough]

What on earth do mean?!? " Don't remove oasis" that place was horrible

[paper oriole]

are people misunderstanding Blaze's feedback or do they really want the 10 miles of shallows to stay shallow?

[low canopy]

tbh i'm not clear if they mistook devblog as removal of south spawn shallows or shallows in center, since there are no waterfall at center

[paper oriole]

there is a small waterfall right by center, they could be thinking of that

unless that waterfall was removed

[low canopy]

na u are right, there is actually one tiny one thats part of river coming from north west, i forgot about it

[paper oriole]

only reason i remember it is because i almost always find a dead deino body at the base of it lol its an easy area to forget

i guess its a great spot for people to get cornered by sport killers/cannibals or something

[barren zephyr]

Oasis kinda made deino redundant and was an absolute lag fest

Happy it’s getting booted

Rest in pieces you absolute trashcan of a hotspot

[low canopy]

new map is going to have its own issues, we just have to discover them

[barren zephyr]

oh for sure

[paper oriole]

the only positive things about oasis were 1. easy spot to kill your self when you wanted to switch 2. it quarantined most of the cancer players

[barren zephyr]

hopefully they aren’t as bad as oasis though

[paper oriole]

<@&933486433342222376> sus link in feedback

[barren zephyr]

go on, test his first game

totally a game

[paper oriole]

test his rad new virus simulator, it's so realistic it feels real!

[barren zephyr]

👹

[limber hull]

I'm not sure why people think that they're going to make a huge announcement over a bug fix

Bug fixes should be expected

Performance should be expected

[barren zephyr]

Should it? Hasn't been for the past few patches, or if it does it's reverted again to poor peformance. I think you shouldn't imagine people to mind read. Some would like to hear if there's some performance fixes or not.

[limber hull]

Them ranting about the bugs they fix makes them seem like an achievement and not simply a necessity in game development. It shouldn't be treated as importantly as new content, because frankly, it should remain backend

I don't like the idea of devs treating bugfixes as an achievement instead of a simple expectation

To have bad performance and bugs is simply to not live up to basic expectations

[barren zephyr]

Sure but I think just being alerted to some dedication to it will reassure many.

Perhaps you believe it's to be expected but it's not been communicated at all and so many will be wondering, perhaps falsely that the devs don't care. Better to say it and not need to, than not say it and need to.

[limber hull]

I mean, we got off-lines in the devlog like "Firstly, a small patch contains an enormous amount of bug fixes. Many of those bugs caused issues to various basic interaction mechanics such as eating, drinking, as well as inconsistencies in certain abilities", which imo is about the level of the light of day these should be given. Personally, it is within the consumer's right to be disappointed in a lack of optimisation, however, I don't like the idea of devs treating basic responsibilities as achievements on the level of new content

I'd prefer to be pleased with what I see than what I hear

[barren zephyr]

I think we may just disagree on them addressing a very pressing issue of map rendering as achievement hunting. I'd personally like to hear they've spent time on it.

[limber hull]

Only time will tell, however, I doubt these complaints have fallen on deaf ears

[barren zephyr]

I hope so.

[limber hull]

Oasis was addressed as we clearly saw, as well as the lack of dispersal of players, so I'd imagine this pressing issue is also on their radar

I am in no means dismissing the fixing of the issues because my own friends can't play due to it, but I just disagree with treating responsibilities as achievements

[mint girder]

I wish we could see the heatmap

[limber hull]

Eh, idc about the heatmap as long as it does its job

And it seems to be doing that much, which is great to hear