general-feedback-discussion

[proud flax]

Make the highest volume the current one then, just make us able to lower it

It’s not a super big change

[limber hull]

then you could simply make everything quieter except the things you want louder and adjust your base volume

[proud flax]

Bruh listen I just want Pteras to not be so loud, all they do is spawn in because they died and 1 call

[limber hull]

this is true

however, the ptera is simply a blight we all must live with

we don't get to mute seagulls

and those guys are awful

[paper oriole]

Chaotic good: play ptera and knock the spammers out of the sky

[mighty tendon]

Gimme plantigrade theri

[slim canopy]

I miss old south so much, pocket pool was awesome too

[mint girder]

Is that canon

😳

[limber hull]

the fuck you mean canon this is a real animal

[tight oxide]

was a bit small though

[slim canopy]

Sure it was, but it made the memories.

[tight oxide]

me who misses machine gun deino

[slim canopy]

omg I miss the old calls

they sounded deeper in the old days, then they made it so deino went threw puebertie reversed

[tight oxide]

fr

[limber hull]

i dont think this guy likes bushes

[tight oxide]

i do kinda agree tho

too many bushes for the plains

[limber hull]

i mean, no bushes would make plains lame imho

[tight oxide]

but rn bushes feel copy and pasted like forests sooo...

[limber hull]

i dont see the point being made with bushes feeling copy and pasted

[signal beacon]

"Map has to much cover and I cant easily see everything without paying attention. Pls remove. It also benefits an animal I dont like so get rid of it."

It benefits everything not just pachy.

By that logic remove water as it benefits deino and I dont like it

[limber hull]

it really only benefits small things. Carnos and stegos not so much

[signal beacon]

Carno literally depends on those if it wants to ambush

[limber hull]

if we have gigas they ain't gonna be prowling in those bushes

[signal beacon]

I do think the cover in the fields needs more variety

Rn it's just bushes that obviously exist only as cover

And they are all the same thing just positioned differently

[limber hull]

i just checked and wow carno really can fit its whole-ass body in those bushes

i need to use that more once we're able to go anywhere but oasis

[signal beacon]

Some of the bushes even fit whole stegos

[keen bough]

maybe rocks as well as bushes, it would be cool for several utah rocks because the ones in jungle are unuseable because they are hard to see

[manic flint]

Yea that's the plan
Apparently changing gamma will make it impossible to play

[mint girder]

Do you think nightvision will just be plain black and white?

[manic flint]

I hope not just that

[trail mesa]

Lack of bushes on the plains would be nice if tall grass could actually work currently

Like the plains biome being green vomit with sprinkled large bushes doesn’t look good but you also gotta have something there

[paper oriole]

While it makes sense to drain resources faster while active and much less while stagnant, that would lead straight back to more afkers

Faster resource drain during activity punishes you for doing that activity

[mint girder]

What’s wrong with not doing something when you’re full

There’s not much else to do but kill people

[paper oriole]

The problem is sitting in a bush afk waiting to grow or playing dinosaur chatroom

[mint girder]

Well what else do you want them to do

[tepid gate]

Idk... play the goddamn game for example?

Shocking, I know

[mint girder]

I mean if they’re already full

Not much incentive to do anything after that but wait until your hunger gets lower

[tepid gate]

Well that's the reason why diets are an atrocious system

they don't keep you playing the game

[mint girder]

Why do you think diets are to blame

[tepid gate]

For a bazillion reasons but the most basic one is this:

they merely rely on filling up a bar

when you do that

you're absolutely free to do whatever you want

[manic flint]

Too complicated

[tepid gate]

i.e. afk

pardon me, let me correct myself:

It's not the diets that are the problem, it's specifically this backwards-system of nutrients

their implementation is the issue, not the idea of diets itself

The game should be designed around encouraging interactions between the players

not around making players avoid one another as much as possible

which is what it is now

[mint girder]

How do you think they’d achieve that

[tight oxide]

gore update and no oaisis

[mint girder]

How would gore make player interaction

[tepid gate]

Nah, neither of these is helping much

They might make it a bit better but the underlying issues are here to stay

[limber hull]

Weather seems like the best for making people actually move/interact. Moving resources/creating hazards makes incentive for people to move towards where the "safe" resources are and thus creates movement where they can be spotted by other players

Out of all the updates, the environmental one seems the best for solving the issue of lack of interaction

[tepid gate]

I doubt that too, it can maybe get us some more movement but in the long run this game is just designed around sitting afk

[limber hull]

idk man. Floods, fires and droughts make an atmosphere where it's actively hard to sit in one place

[tepid gate]

I doubt it, unless idk you have a constant fire around the map that just moves around and threatens you 24/7

which could help with the afk-problem but would be utterly dumb and ridiculous

that's the basic issue with the design of this game - it tries to get people to move by somehow ridiculously punishing them for staying in one place, to which the playerbase then finds work-arounds

instead of just incentivising playing the game

[lyric spoke]

has any of the dev team acknowledged the ecosystem just straight up doesnt work lol so much wasted food from herbis camping bodies till despawn or utahs eating their own kind and suiciding themselves at full grown deinos that eat all their food

I still don't find AI to respawn either, if they do respawn its set so low that theyre useless as even emergency food. and meanwhile herbivore has 0 challenge to survival because of grazing

[limber hull]

@sand lantern fracture chance isn't a thing

[paper oriole]

RNG fracture

[sand lantern]

But I herd people say that they kept hitting carnos with pachy head butt but they weren’t fracturing it

[limber hull]

its still not a chance

[paper oriole]

Thats hitbox

[limber hull]

fracture damage is a thing

[paper oriole]

They hit their leg and get a useless body frac

[sand lantern]

Oh

[paper oriole]

The locational hitboxes are acrewy

Or maybe its the server lag… or both

[limber hull]

each ram does a different amount of damage too

It's changed by sprinting and charge

If it's a charged ram or a ram used while sprinting, it'll be stronger

And thus do more fracture damage

[sand lantern]

So is that like how long it last or how strong the effects are?

[limber hull]

you have fracture health

if you reach 0, leg is fractured

at some point they do intend to add fracture tiers

[tepid gate]

...is a sentence that fills me with dread

[limber hull]

why? im pretty sure the fractures we have now is the worst they'll get

[tepid gate]

How many animations we have in this game now? Is it 200+ for creatures or have we not gotten to that number yet?

[limber hull]

idk but its gonna be even more soon

[tepid gate]

Oh, I know

and then we will have even more and when those fracture tiers come into the game it will be yet again more - hell, not just more, it will multiply many of those animations as we will have different fracture tiers for different body parts

A little reminder - there are two animators on the team

Have some mercy on those people

[limber hull]

I mean... Never a dull day for the Isle animator lmao

[spare hearth]

Dang! didn't realize that, they do some amazing work

[tepid gate]

Yes indeed, but some people want them to get the burn out syndrome I think

[spare hearth]

Oh for sure TI players want the dev team to crunch time the hell out of this, I don't understand the people that complain so much it's a freakin game in development and had to have a major recode with a lot of dev issues too but evrima has been a steady growth imo, ofc the work in progress is slow but the game looks so realistic and feels so realistic its fuckin awesome

[low canopy]

i don't have any experience or know anything about animating, but its difficult to believe that only 2 animators could handle this amount animations for 55+ animals in such a "short" time span

[tight oxide]

they need more help if thats the case lol

or a raise for when evrima is done

legit 2 animators dealing with over 50 playables?

[urban flax]

Animators are not necessarily the ones who do rigging and skinning
If you know what you're doing, things can go pretty fast with minimal work

[barren zephyr]

And thus the stronger the ram, the more you’ll be severely depleted of stamina

[limber hull]

yes

[barren zephyr]

And then you can’t run away from anything and get endurance hunted

Or straight up killed

Carno doesn’t deal fracture

At least nothing big

Or noticeable

[barren crater]

with fracture severity, you could have carno charge dealing light fractures

[barren zephyr]

I’m fine if it was just a very minimalistic thing, like how Teno should have a small fracture on its kick

But it’s nothing like a pachy or Anky

Utah is frail af

Stuns in general are just busted

Stun needs a rework

It can if your brain dead and don’t know how to dodge

Utah and Teno can easily move out of the way

That’s a situational thing, and no it isn’t always gonna be two carnos

Yesterday I fought a solo Carno as a Teno

Three words

[barren crater]

I fought 4 carnos earlier today as a teno

[barren zephyr]

Roster variety syndrome

Of course there will be an over abundance of some species

If you have so little options

[barren crater]

Anyways, more things having fractures isn't a bad thing. With fracture ranges from light to severe and all the in-betweens, you could give something like carno charge, teno kick fracturing damage

[barren zephyr]

Besides you basically never see fractures outside a pachy

Unless your stupid and go off a cliff

[barren crater]

? a 1800kg creature ramming into a 500kg creature at 55km would be death irl

It would totally break bones

[barren zephyr]

Yes and no

Bones are as easy to break as carrots

[barren crater]

By that logic, a pachy shouldn't be breaking a carnos leg lmao.

When this thing is almost 4 times your size, and running at 55km?? yeah that shit would kill you lmao

break bones easily as well

well no shit

ain't protecting that though

anyways, doesn't matter. Fracture tiers is a must, and giving more things fracturing abilities would be dope

[barren zephyr]

Bud

[barren crater]

?

[barren zephyr]

It’s called game balance

[barren crater]

That is nowhere close to a carno running into a creature significantly smaller than it

[barren zephyr]

Ok

[barren crater]

55km carno is in game, and logically that charge on something many times smaller than it should fracture it. Whether its light or severe

[barren zephyr]

It’s balanced that a larger creature should fracture a smaller one

It’s also balance that a Pachy is able to fracture something bigger than it

Read the post again

That’s just a big

Bug

Autocorrect

It’s a bug that pachy cancels out stuff

[barren crater]

Yeah, I really wonder how good pachy will be without the attack cancellation bug

I can imagine not so good solo

[grizzled vector]

i'd have more fun if oasis and the shallow river didn't exist

I thought the point of diets were to keep people constantly moving. But they just add spots on the map where everyone just sits around

[jovial hazel]

Yeah.. Let's add diets to get people moving around. But let's make an area with every diet and safe water and a mud pit that nothing can actually attack you in.

[grizzled vector]

20% of the server just sits there

[barren zephyr]

Oh Tapwing is on, hello Tapwing! In case you see this I wish ya a great day

[grizzled vector]

Man my raptor pack just let a sub 50% stego kill everyone but me

[barren zephyr]

Lol

[mint girder]

I went to oasis and there were like 20 Utah’s and a mix pack with a carno

Killed my juvi very annoying

It would only be a small chance and it would be pretty balanced considering carnos current state

[barren zephyr]

There is no "chance" for fractures

[pseudo schooner]

this makes sense tho,its like a car ramming into you

i get that it could be for balance,but it makes no sense

pachy ram right now is op as shit

[barren zephyr]

It's bugged, yes we know

[pseudo schooner]

also following that logic deino bites should have fracture,but...

[barren crater]

Deino already has an Instakill ability so a fracture bite isn’t necessary imo. Carno having fractures in its charge helps it take down things between pachy size and teno size. Let’s say it attacks a Diablo or a teno, by giving it even a light fracture- it would be able to turn the tides of the fight to its side and give it an advantage.

Remember it’s a hunt, not some ‘fair’ fight. A carnos charge should give it an edge to secure prey smaller than it, and limit the amount of damage it takes.

[pseudo schooner]

Yeah i totally agree

[barren crater]

As well as teno. Teno kick should do like medium/mild fractures. Pretty sure there will be fracture tiers?

I’d love for teno to head fracture a Carno with a kick

[spare hearth]

Honestly taco j gotta wait for burrows

for dyro to be fun

[ancient panther]

Yeah, I cant wait for burrowing

[lyric spoke]

Yall know whatd be great? Some damned dinosaurs. :L

[manic flint]

If a carno gets an ambush it should be rewarded. Of course the matchup should be fair but that's only if they see eachother first. In a 1v1 teno should have an advantage, being a brawler, but if a carno ambushes it the advantage should shift

[paper oriole]

Imagine wanting community aggression realism rules on officials when you could just go to those community servers

[tepid gate]

Carno shouldn't have fractures, it needs other buffs. Pachy needs to have its CC or damage toned down(possibly both). Body fractures need a fix(because they do nothing atm).

[tepid gate]

Still really good and totally broken

#isle-discussion message

So much balance compiled into 20 seconds

[paper oriole]

Now that's a proper lynching

[signal beacon]

"ADMIN!? bidu sown??? Teno killed mr over agrro???!?? Rb RB rn rn A!!!!"

[paper oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/beasts-of-bermuda-kaperoo-the-isle-path-of-titans-gif-23526654

[lyric spoke]

@barren zephyr You should add into your post to include the recommendation of a 'bite lock' feature for admin controls; allowing you to disable a player's attacks temporarily

[barren crater]

I don't see much of an issue there tbf except for the stunning. If you are a carno and you go near 3 pachys, that should be death. Although it should have time to run away 100%.

[tepid gate]

"EXCEPT FOR THE STUNNING" is the key phrase right there

[paper oriole]

stuns should have diminishing returns so they can't be consecutively stacked, ez fix for not only pachy but all future CCers

[tepid gate]

everything else is alright

[paper oriole]

hard to balance for the lynch mobs though, that's just a player thing that happens with any viable fighter

[tepid gate]

I'd personally probably just make it harder for people to stay in groups

and do something about those stuns

specifically on Pachy

[paper oriole]

oasis makes it easy to just chill and wait for victims, food should be more evenly spread rather than in chunks that allow people to sitand accumulate in easy afk grow megaherds

[tepid gate]

stuns in general aren't that big of a deal

[paper oriole]

stuns on their own are one thing, the problem is when they can just be applied over and over

[tepid gate]

goddamn it...

[paper oriole]

or even the ease of applying the stun. i stunlocked a dryo as a small pachy just by spamming alt

he had no chance to get away and was executed street style

though he didnt lose much ig, was just a dryo

[tepid gate]

...neither did my friend whom I just walked over

[paper oriole]

oof

[tepid gate]

sorry, I'm playing Path of Titans and I just had my first encounter with trample damage

apparently it's pretty potent

on a serious note though

[paper oriole]

lol i figured it was PoT since i recently watched 2B2V smash a juvie group mate the same way in a video

[tepid gate]

it is a neat mechanic, I wonder how it's going to work in Evrima

[paper oriole]

trample can easily work as a substitute for offense on some herbivores if done well

hadrosaurs especially

[tepid gate]

Agreed it could work pretty well

[paper oriole]

offense, or rather an offensive side affect to their flight role

[tepid gate]

I'd say that in general

if an animal has much higher weight than the target being trampled

it should deal damage and/or knock the target down

[paper oriole]

would be cool if trample ties in to obstacle colossion too

[tepid gate]

I'm not sure on what exactly the differences should be but I think that the larger the bigger the difference between the two animals the greater the damage

[paper oriole]

like smashing small grapplers against rocks/trees, but the hitboxes on those things should also be fixed to people cant just swing their tail or bite through them

[tepid gate]

To be perfectly honest, I have no idea how it works in PoT since I just started to play this game but ermm, that must've hurt, it was like a oneshot, admittedly I'm an almost fully grown Suchomimus and my friend was a Deinonychus

[paper oriole]

that sound slike its probably end like that video of the horse stepping on a bird

[tepid gate]

very much so, he was so tiny I didn't even notice him

before he just went "squish!"

[paper oriole]

i guess the damage could be based on the gap between the targets' weight divided among the colission points, so a utah being trampled by a sprinting tenonto would take 1-4 hits of 275 damage. but that also sounds insanely high

[tepid gate]

yea that's a bit too high I think

[paper oriole]

wouldnt even need attack with damage like that lol

[tepid gate]

I think that perhaps it should be more about CCing?

if an animals is 3times heavier than you you just get knocked down?

[paper oriole]

could also vary between animal and speed of the animals

[tepid gate]

with maybe some exceptions and other stuff

[tepid gate]

true

[paper oriole]

for damaging trampling maybe it could be half of the weight gap divided by two, split between the impact points

some animals i could easily see bowling something over and incapacitating and/or fracturing them more than actual damage

[barren crater]

would a carno then not need to charge to knock over utah and pachy?

[paper oriole]

yeah carno could just run in to them lol

i mean hes pretty big in comparison and not even hard to dodge if you see him coming

[barren crater]

but lets say a carno does a turn, and is running at a fraction of its speed- does it still knock them down?

[paper oriole]

could see trample slowing down the trampler depending on weight difference too. a maia isnt going to keep going full speed while pancaking a dilo

[tepid gate]

true, that's actually a good point

but that's more of an argument against the charge in my mind

it's a dumb ability

[paper oriole]

in legacy we had two animals with trampler (techically one since hyper spino was unobtainable) and the trample only registered while running

so it can easily be that running deals the more devastating affect while walking may deal no affect or a heaily reduced affect depending on weight difference

[tepid gate]

no, it would have to go at full speed, I think this should really go for all the animals

[paper oriole]

or, i guess it might not be easy if its for two animals both running, one being run down by its slightly faster assailant

not sure how thatd work

what the difference would be between a stationary dilo being trampled by a maia, or a dilo being run down by a maia

[tepid gate]

could you give an example of that? Dibble being run by Sucho or something?

Hmm... Idk if Maia should be faster than Dilo tbh

[barren crater]

maia should not be faster

[paper oriole]

i think it could be if its balanced to not be a living battering ram again, but i doubt it will

theyll probably just make it obese tenonto without the attacks lol

[tepid gate]

it could be but tbh

even if it was

I'd say it's down to Dilo not to get caught by one out in the open

[paper oriole]

preferably the maia wouldnt even be able to turn well enough to stay on the dilos ass and run him down unless it is one of those same brainlets that run away from carno charge in a straight line

[barren crater]

That's the issue though, you make maia this fast thing again, then what hunts it? Only risk maia had in legacy was carno, but no way a carno can do shit to a maia in evrima

It should be fast- but not faster than small tiers

[paper oriole]

i guess a better example could be idk, some aggro galli running down a troodon. should the fact that the troodon is running away affect the dmage from the galli who tramples it at full speed from behind?

or should the damage solely be based on the trampler's speed

[barren crater]

I think the size difference and whether the larger animal is running or not should be the deciding factors

[paper oriole]

it would certainly be easier to code that way i think

[barren crater]

I don't see the smaller animal running being a factor to mitigate damage

Not sure how that would even work

Also galli and troodon have such a large difference that it wouldn't even matter imo

[paper oriole]

yeah sounds tricky af to base trample on the impact speed between two moving targets

[barren crater]

troodon turns to paste

[paper oriole]

true galli would probably stamp troodon in to dust either way

[barren crater]

510kg on poor 40kg creature lmao

[paper oriole]

like those chickens kicking mice and the mice just go oof

[barren crater]

I know exactly what video that is, and damn is that brutal

[paper oriole]

poor dude had a whole video game style death animation lol

[barren crater]

Austro and galli should both have kicks like that

well similar at least

[paper oriole]

just go cassowary on the small guys

[limber hull]

why would you want it to make stego's attack look more like legacy's

legacy's looked jank and really weak

there was no actual movement to the swing

[keen bough]

I think Austro is meant to look like a swan because it has a semi aquatic playstile

Also Utah is getting feathers so don't worry it won't look like a jp Velociraptor

[paper oriole]

Yeah but why change a semi aquatics looks to make it look semi aquatic? That's basically saying “we changed this duck to look like a pelican because it is semi aquatic”. Austro already looks the part naturally. They didnt need to make it some snake goose heron alien abomination, it's also missing half its ribcage in its concept art

[keen bough]

Fair enough, fair enough

[tight oxide]

ngl i hope its just a option

or at least feathers that dont cover the whole body i dunno

[signal beacon]

well the utah we have now is getting renamed to Apolloraptor because our current raptor is completely fictional. In the future we will get an actual utahraptor with feathers and a completely different playstyle

[icy lion]

We don't know what its name will be

[signal beacon]

damn forgot sorry

i would love Apolloraptor tho

[icy lion]

All good! Just wanted to clarify

[barren zephyr]

@rare fractal Have you ever done an 180° alt bite in water?

[rare fractal]

Yep

[barren zephyr]

Also, Deino should have a lower pop sound..Cuz..you know...Gator

[rare fractal]

Yes indeed... oh btw I just did it (playing deino rn lol) it sounds more like 2 wooden boards hitting eachother than a proper low pitched clap

[barren zephyr]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rare fractal]

I neeeeed my pop man

[barren zephyr]

https://youtube.com/shorts/nhIiiqNcYEA?feature=share

https://youtu.be/NAoDZgbG6oo?t=40

[barren zephyr]

Btw, are you full grown or smaller?

[rare fractal]

full grown

100%.... took like 8 hours cuz of a lack of food but I finally made it

[barren zephyr]

yes, diets on an extremely opportunistic hunter go brrrr

[rare fractal]

Hooray! And our primary ability is so lacking in nuance that it requires the entire map to have shores designed in 1 specific way to be used

[barren zephyr]

lol yup

I just want Deino to be able to walk backwards when grabbing something

[rare fractal]

same, especially considering how slow it's turn in place is

[grizzled vector]

HAHAHA add that to the fact there's areas on the map players can completely avoid crocs

[uneven mist]

@barren zephyr it’s confirmed that juvi megalania wil be able to climb

[pure sleet]

guys do you know why when i enter in game the terrain don't load? even after like 10 minute i'm in, I've never had this kind of problem

[paper oriole]

The Isle

[spare hearth]

#general-feedback message It's really not so much the players fault as much as it is the game, a lot of foliage doesn't load in for players until a certain distance but animals load in from farther so it makes it seem like someone is purposefully exploiting foliage when in reality the game is j made this way. Sucks big ol schlong dong but until devs do sumn ig j hide in big bush

[thick flicker]

Thoughts on adding an optional targeter to Utah's pounce?

[spare hearth]

wym

[low canopy]

i assume similar to how hypsi spit works,
if so that has been suggested before and people dont like it for some reason

[spare hearth]

yea the way it works now j makes more sense especially with jumping and then activating the pounce, they could make it less finnicky like how sometimes if you're running and press pounce you pounce in place instead of the lil leap it does

although targeter would be nice against pteras if you could leap more vertically to try n catch em

[analog ledge]

I really don't know why some peoples want the old south pond to return and be a hotspot.I mean why we need another hotspot next to oasis?tf

maybe there can be a hotspot north east bc no one goes there

so there can be people on every side of the map not only center

[warm sluice]

Ya there has to be hotspots on all areas of the map.

[grizzled vector]

the only "hot spot" that needs to come back is center swamp

[analog ledge]

I mean its gonna be boring without hotspots but its super stupid to make only one hotspot on the whole map

its ruining the whole map and gameplay of the peolple that want to explore the map

there has to be a hotspot on north,east.south,center etc

but they dont have to be close to each other

they have to make the players explore

not only bodyguard

and stay there for hours

[spare hearth]

If they removed the shallow parts of oasis it wouldn't be as much of a hotspot due to re introducing the fear of getting grabbed by a deino

Plus the super shallow part is so abusable by adult carnos vs utahs, if the utahs try goin for the carno they are significantly slowed allowing the carno to easily kill them

And the carno is completely safe from a deino trying to get it

[signal beacon]

The mud pool is one of the bigger reasons. And the fact that all the food a server would need is there

[lean jasper]

why not put mud pools everywhere and food everywhere so we can actually explore their map. its terribly boring being locked, and growing in one place for hours on end because its the only place with my diet. if they want us to use and explore the map they created then make more than 1 hotspot

[low canopy]

its probably going to be even worse when they spread diets around, meaning that certain species prefer certain biomes

[tight oxide]

Ima be honest, i wpuldnt mind if utah didnt get the slowing effect in shallows

It just counters utah completly rn

And even deino is countered by shallows

And remove mud pits until we get a weather system so they can dry out or come back

And readd river side wallow since that seemed to give more reason to go to water and wasnt countering utah as much

[spare hearth]

takes away a lil realism but gameplay wise absolutely

maybe j not slow them so much like still be able to sprint decently through them, makes sense to me

[tight oxide]

eh at this point i mostly wont take realism into account if its going into balance territory

after all something as heavy as utah aint jumping that high

or stego head being able to tank deino bites

[spare hearth]

honestly where even is head hit box feels like it always gets the neck which takes regular damage it feels

idk stego j so annoyinggggg

[tight oxide]

its funny how when stego was being teased

[spare hearth]

can’t wait till there is something to go toe to tow with it

[tight oxide]

we were all hyped for it...

devs even showed 2 stegos killing 10 tenos i think

[spare hearth]

i mean the stegos strengths make sense mostly it j really doesn’t fit in the current ecosystem, once a steg player reached sub adult it’s pretty freakin safe. And then full grown stego players r j like alright nothing to do but fuck around

I’ve only grown a stego fully once because of how boring it is, most enjoyable thing to do is bully deinos in oasis but at some point i j swam in the middle to play something else in the same server

[tight oxide]

my problem is

stego juvie are waaaaay too strong for what they are

i kinda wish stego life was more hell

[spare hearth]

haha yea i was a full grown carno and had to body bite a juvi stego 3 times like huhh

I think stego life will be worse when it can still be easily threatened by something as a sub adult cuz even carnos wont mess with subs given their strength

unless its like 3 big carnos and a lone stego but when does that happen, mix herds are common

I j can’t wait for Allo, Rex, spino, really anything bigger than the carno

[grizzled vector]

i was fighting a group of stegos and i was latched onto one that we've been bleeding for a minute. A 2nd stego comes over with no regard to the other headshots him and smacks me off too

I was just so confused

[paper oriole]

Some players just want to fight or kos, doesn’t matter to them if they kill potential allies in the process

[tight oxide]

lol my utah was chased by 3 pachys and one broke my leg but i managed to keep dodging to the point they kept friendly firing causing 2 pachys to have broken bones lmao

they were so hell bent on my death cus i took a step near oasis

[paper oriole]

Sheer bloodlust lmao

[tight oxide]

but in the end i took 1 with me with bites cus its friends hurt it that bad lmao

[paper oriole]

Thats always satisfying lol especially the thought of their anger at their own team mates when they die

[tight oxide]

just saying...

pachys are like bulls ngl

[paper oriole]

Those rabid lynchmob players remind me of those vids of buffalo and wildebeest attacking their calfs when a threat shows up lol

[paper oriole]

cannibalism already tanks your diet on animals that arent supposed to do that does this guy know that

a ton of "cannibal" cases are nothing but kfs too

[warm flame]

more like goats on ridiculously strong steroids

[wooden mica]

unpopular opinion, steggo adult is fine because its meant to be a tough kill, thats the MO, once apex come in the tables will turn, but it should be a serious risk to small carnivores to take on an adult steg especially one thats perfectly healthy, since the whole idea of the stego is armored, hard to kill spikey boi. lol

[barren zephyr]

@wild verge my only problem with that is it could be abused to use highly offensive words or praise political and other types of propaganda for whoever finds the book

[limber hull]

I'll be honest, if I find a journal on a dinosaur island filled with political propaganda to some sort of extremist alt-right conspiracy, I'd think that'd only make my experience that much more enjoyable

The utter absurdity of such a situation would make me utterly lose it laughing

[sick dirge]

^

[wild verge]

tbh i dont think itd be hard to have systems that filter bad words/detect who wrote stuff. like if you hover ur mouse over the text itd show what player wrote it

think of it like minecraft signs ig. they can write whatever but admins can figure out what player wrote them

plus we're getting voice chat which can be as easily as toxic lol

[signal beacon]

Yea and if you find an offensive note you can just, leave

Our text chat can follow you

[lyric spoke]

I'm 5 years old too and I approve this message

[spare hearth]

[paper oriole]

Lmao you’d def see trolls leaving journals with slurs, political quotes and book verses and dick drawings more than actual properly used journals with tips and information

[paper oriole]

Safety rocks to add even more cancer to oasis lesgooo

[tight oxide]

except this time utahs can chill at oasis

[spare hearth]

how bout j no oasis, it would force players to go around the map/river

[tight oxide]

thats what we all want

hopefully u5 removes oasis or adds more hotspots like legacy to balance this

and pls...

[paper oriole]

Osis can stay if

1. Herbivore food is more evenly spread out on the map and not concentrated together in clusters.
2. Either the mud pit or shallow area is removed

[spare hearth]

yea honestly, I’ve gone back to legacy until next update

[tight oxide]

remove mud pits completely

add mut pits when rain is added

[spare hearth]

evrima is j so frustrating and buggy, and near unplayable when there are a lot of players around

[tight oxide]

somehow the devs say evrima will be easier to run than legacy

[paper oriole]

Mud pits should come to riverbeds during droughts and in randomized set puddles after rain

[tight oxide]

dunno how they gonna pull off that at this rate

[spare hearth]

haha yea wtf

[tight oxide]

ok so

river side wallowing back pls

make mud pits depend on weather

[spare hearth]

I don’t see that happening but I hope to god im wrong

[tight oxide]

me too

[spare hearth]

yessss

[tight oxide]

update 2 i got 60 to 50 fps

which was fun for pvp ngl

until interactive water came it all went downhill

[spare hearth]

That’s understandable

[tight oxide]

yup

i think water is the source of fps problems tbh

[spare hearth]

Kinda wish they didn’t have deino in rn, just more terrestial dinos

[tight oxide]

or add beipi

very fun

[spare hearth]

Yea I can imagine beipi will be very fun to play

[limber hull]

im not exactly upset with deino's existence. It's a cool animal that adds something really unique to the game, and a terrestrial dino just wouldn't be the same.

It's genuinely added some great moments of unbridled fear

i'd actually safely say I'm more upset with stego, on the simple basis that they added the apex that best counters the current roster into the current roster.

well, actually, they could've added anky

[spare hearth]

It’s def cool but for the games playability sake i wish it wasn’t there, if it wasn’t i imagine they wouldnt have the insanely good looking water rn

[limber hull]

stego is by no means a bad animal, it's just kind of... I guess an invasive species? The rest of the roster can co-exist and add to the ecosystem, stego is just so well-suited to facing off against the existing roster that it kind of just stomps the ecosystem

The cannibalistic animals curb their own kind from growing too strong, since nothing else can reliably hunt carno or deino, but stego feels no such needs

[spare hearth]

yea, stego is so popular rn with how many people hate it and i totally agree

[limber hull]

i don't HATE stego, in fact, I think it looks fucking awesome walking across the plains in herds, but it is quite well suited to completely stomping the current ecosystem

[spare hearth]

even if stego had something to fear in its sub adult stage it would be better but they r j so strong rn

I only hate it because it j doesn’t fit rn and so many ppl still play it, like even as a herbi i hate seeing a stego because i think oh well now no carnis are gonna come around, removes the fear factor

i mean they still sometimes do but then stego will usually chase them off or bodyguard

[tight oxide]

imo kentro would of been a better pick for the stegosaur fans at this point imo

[limber hull]

people say that

but it'd completely fucking invalidate utah so

Like real bad

[tight oxide]

wait

question

wouldnt kentro force you to aim at unspiked parts tho?

[limber hull]

yes

[tight oxide]

by the looks of it utah has a spot to pounce

just hard to reach

even then i think utah would have a better chance with kentro than stego

thats if the area that we're looking at is pounceable if done aimed right

[deft linden]

If pounced at the wrong area it should take some pretty severe damage

But then I can only imagine how latency will influence that

Like in a perfectly smooth game with no latency that would be awesome

[tight oxide]

thats still possible keep in mind

[deft linden]

One can hope! It could really make the Utah feel like it accomplished something to actually nail the right spot

[tight oxide]

sooo... i would say in a no latency world utah might fair better against kentro than stego

if utah can aim their rmb

[tight oxide]

too bad it could get swiped mid jump off lol

[deft linden]

LOL you aren't wrong there. Ride the High while you are on the back. Ride the High man

[tight oxide]

stego removal pls

[spare hearth]

kento would j be way better, not as tanky but the whole aiming for the right spot for pounce and latency interference would make that nearly impossible, still could j bite it

[tight oxide]

or funni blood pool nerf

[limber hull]

i still disagree with blood pool nerf

why not just... Make the swipe cost more stam? Honestly that feels like the best course of action in all cases

[tight oxide]

with a head that small it might still take somewhat more dmg than compared to rest of the roster

[nova mango]

Is this the place where I can ask about help for/about in-game mechanics/features?

[tight oxide]

more endlag too

[limber hull]

More stam = more stam to lose = more penalty when bleeding

[icy lion]

Might be better in #isle-discussion

[nova mango]

ok.

[tight oxide]

and more endlag means more punish for said miss so idk

would make stego play more careful than now thats for sure

[limber hull]

Currently stego consumes around 5% stam per swing. It also has one of the worst stam regen rates in the game. Bleed is impacted by how much stam, health, food and water you have and it slows down your stam regen as bleed grows.

Essentially, this would make it that there'd be a point where the stego would be extremely struggled if it didn't finish the fight fast

[tight oxide]

so you're saying

stam nerf makes bleed go down faster either way?

[limber hull]

It def makes bleed more impactful

You wouldn't exactly bleed faster

[tight oxide]

how much stam would tail swipe take if you could nerf stego stamina or something

[limber hull]

Bleed's speed is influenced by how fast you move

I'd say... 7.5-10%? Nothing too insane

[tight oxide]

seen someone say 20% before ☠️

[limber hull]

Way too high

[tight oxide]

wonder what balance changes devs got for us in u5

teno getting kick buff thats for sure

[limber hull]

that'd be nice

[tight oxide]

but stego and deino i wonder...

deino is fine ig but i wonder...

think carno might get a walking speed turn radius buff?

not running

[limber hull]

personally, i wouldn't be a fan of such a change, but based on how many people want it, I wouldn't doubt it

[tight oxide]

utah,utah,utah,utah...

what changes you think it might get if any?

[limber hull]

does it need any atm?

[tight oxide]

idk

could always see a stam regen increase ig?

[limber hull]

It just got one

[tight oxide]

seen people say they want it

think pachy will get some nerfs or fixes?

[spare hearth]

I don’t think pachy really needs a nerf, maybe slight damage reduction, but it also prob j seems really strong cuz the biggest terrestrial carni we got is carno

[paper oriole]

A slightly damage reduction is along the definitions of a nerf though

I dont think it needs a direct nerf, rather, cc should be touched up to have diminishing returns and the parrying issue should be fixed, it seems like a bug

Also a recovery for missing after it sprints at you with a headbutt

[tight oxide]

imo i think the biggest dierect nerf pachy should have is more endlag for missing a headbutt

and alt attack shouldnt be doing stun or bone dmg

[paper oriole]

Yea that’s one of the main things id want.

[clever thorn]

alright @barren zephyr idk whats wrong with you but i think Deino only deals 500 dmg but i could be wrong idk. But not everything should be able to kill everything. If your saying that then your saying that a idk Ant or what ever should be able to kill a Lion. Some animals are easy kill some animals are hard to kill and some animals cant be killed by you because they are a few classes higher and stronger then you. If something is bigger and stronger then you dont think that you can kill it, your only option is to run and hope to survive and if it gets you there is nothing you can do about it.

[signal beacon]

The funny thing is deino is faster than stego on land in short bursts. So a deino could technically run down a stego and win in a face tank if this guy gets his way

[clever thorn]

since when?

[urban flax]

Actually he changed his feedback because it was 500 before, but I told him how absurd that was

[clever thorn]

ah in short bursts mabey

[signal beacon]

Deino is unsettlingly fast in short bursts so if you get cocky around one you are in for a world of pain

[clever thorn]

i never was sure about the Speed Change from Deino because crocs nowdays are also pretty fast on land

i feel like the Deino is to slow in the water for his massive tail. Idk if they changed it again but a 60% Deino can outswim a adult Deino? makes no sence in my Opinion.

[signal beacon]

Younger deinos are faster than adults for balancing purposes

It used to be if an adult saw a sub it was instantly game over

[clever thorn]

not always. I survived multiple attack from Adults just by running on land and having more stamina even if they were faster you just had to play it smart

[signal beacon]

Back in update 3's release adult deino had better stats in all categories. I think in U3.5 or U4 deino got changes so smaller deinos were faster with more stamina

[clever thorn]

its just not realistic at all. its like a human baby runs faster then you as a adult. You would ask yourself if something is wrong

[signal beacon]

Balanceing purposes

This game isn't complete realism

[clever thorn]

I mean yeah balancing purposes yeah. i know that this game isnt complete yet but its also not that hard to use the brain. or dont trust everyone. idk its just weird having Juveniles that are faster on land and in the water then adults

i would understand it if they were faster on land but not in the water

[signal beacon]

And yet you dont question deino not getting 1 shot by stegos tail? Cause If you want full realism that's what would happen

[clever thorn]

I mean it wasnt hard to figure out that adults dont have that much stamina on land so i always ran on land and got away that way. the balancing was fine for me because i understood the Game

i wouldnt mind but the same way around then if a DEino bites on the HEad of a stego he should also be oneshot

but still both would be Adults and both would be carefull. But not in a 2 hour Deino vs a 5 Hour Deino battle. But everyone can only cry around and say that its the balance fault and not that they never use there brain. I died once as a Deino to another deino after that i figured out how to survive even against them. But sry its not the balancing fault its the fault of the players not thinking enough

[signal beacon]

@red shore why does every feedback post you make sound like a doomsday prophecy?

[tight oxide]

Its funny because stego would get one shotted at the head by pretty much any midtier

[clever thorn]

Even a Carno could be able to grab the throat of the Stego and hold on to it without getting hit if positiont right to suffocate the Stego.

Because its the truth. I was a Huge fan of the Isle but not anymore. I didnt play the game for idk 4 Months now because everything is just going downhill

[bleak atlas]

Im pretty sure u only met bad deinos lmao

[red shore]

@signal beacon Lol, I don't know. But I'm desperate. I want to play this game, but it brings too much sadness.

[tribal heart]

are official servers down or smth? suddenly i cant connect anymore

always get hit back to main screen

[clever thorn]

idk possible. I mean most of the time i only played as Deino and i saw a lot of Cannibals. Only time i died as a Adult Deino was when i had a 2 vs 7 with a Friend against other Deinos. So yeah we had no chance there

[paper oriole]

It isnt even comparable. A smaller deino is going to have an easier time hauling its weight than an 8 ton one. Human babies are useless garbage that cant even walk when they are born, past the hatchling stage and in to the subadult stage it makes sense for deino to be able to haul ass on land

[tight oxide]

I dont think we should use humans for this

We dont make good examples compared to a reptile

[paper oriole]

Exactly

[last lily]

Exactly this!!! I've been contemplating pointing out how poor of an argument that was(Juvi Deino being slower than Adult Deino = /= good balance)... but ultimately decided not to because it really wasn't the point of discussion.. except that their idea of realism and balance is inherently off.. Smaller Deinos should absolutely be able to escape larger Deinos both on land and in water.

A good few animals, even mesozoic ones are especially speedy(faster) in their younger stages of life... but alas, the discussion was still more about balancing and... some other garbage I guess about Deino vs Stego.

[tight oxide]

Rex teen stages be like

[last lily]

Small Rex is speed

[tight oxide]

Exactly

[last lily]

The damn thing is like 70-90% legs anyway

[tight oxide]

But human baby cant even do basic human things an adult can...

[paper oriole]

Mammals in general are mostly horrible comparisons. Reptiles gotta be ready to haul serious ass because cannibalism is abound in their world even if they have a nurturing parent

[last lily]

Komodo dragon gamer moment.

[tight oxide]

Komodo are chad

[paper oriole]

Most croc cannibalism targets hatchlings->adolescents

[tight oxide]

Thats why ima main megalania

[last lily]

Mammals typically got to start off nurtured taken care of and all that due to milk. Reptiles meanwhile:"GAME TIME. READY START GO"

[paper oriole]

Their legs are lankoer and their bodies are less chunky at a young age

[paper oriole]

Some mammals start off ready to haul ass but theyre usually herbivores because theyve got wild dogs and hyenas waiting for them lol

Even then they cant really care for themselves

[last lily]

I still wish our baby/juvi Deinos had more unique proportions... I do like how the tail has more height though and think the adult should have that but if you've ever looked at a gator or croc hatchling.. They're built like most lizards with proportionately longer legs than the adult crocs/gators(who put more emphasis on c h o n k)

[tight oxide]

So why use baby hooman that cant even tell whats food from normal objects as a comprasion to a baby gator

That can hunt somewhat irl

[last lily]

Baby humans can only hunt whatever toxic garbage is inside the cabinet without an adult watching.

[paper oriole]

That pt feedback

[wooden mica]

bruh, baby humans be fightin gravity with their neck, they aint even touching a cabinet

[tight oxide]

My baby cousin thinking my legos are gummies...

Baby hooman cant even walk thooooooooo

[last lily]

We should get a growth cycle for humans in the Isle

[tight oxide]

While my man chad baby reptiles at least eat bugs

[tight oxide]

Human mating tho?

Find a ring objective

[last lily]

Nesting. Humans lay eggs in the Isle.

[tight oxide]

[paper oriole]

Class moment

[wooden mica]

I just wanna know how the pt feedback guy hasnt figured out how to hover on water with space bar, while they fish

[tight oxide]

Ingame tip leaving your female companian as a merc will allow them to take half your loot

[paper oriole]

I suck ass at the isle and i figured out pt flight and fishing in under an hour from the get go. Unless he has monster lag i cant see an excuse

[tight oxide]

Stroke

[wooden mica]

first thing i did when playing ptera was practice how to not end up as a floating morsel

[paper oriole]

Fat finger little keypad

[tight oxide]

Im on phone rn

[wooden mica]

or he does rookie mistake and keeps camera either under water or, over the top

[paper oriole]

Theres also good emptyass spots with fish to practice

[wooden mica]

level that shit with your body and zoom

[paper oriole]

Level it out of even face it towards the sky a bit dont stare right down at the water begging to fall in lol

[wooden mica]

once that beak is in the water, you just feather space bar, easy mode after that

[tight oxide]

I mean i still dunno how to skim water as pt

[paper oriole]

Do you need to be shown the way

[tight oxide]

Yes pls

[wooden mica]

FEATHER SPACE BAR

YOU GOT THIS FAM

[tight oxide]

Feather?

[paper oriole]

Yeah you just kinda tap space and angle your cam straight forward

[tight oxide]

[wooden mica]

tap light and quick

[tight oxide]

Bet

[ancient panther]

Skim while pressing the space bar ,thats how i do it

[last lily]

I honestly just operate on muscle memory at this point. Apologies.

[wooden mica]

once you get the hang of it, its easy mode, but dont hold space down or you just fly up again

[tight oxide]

Me wondering how verticle lunge will let deino aim it

Unles...

[wooden mica]

oh, and using airbreaks so youre skimming at a slow speed also helps, so youre not looking ahead to avoid hitting shit

[paper oriole]

You gotta be careful with airbreak usage too sometimes it actually seems to increase your speed, but most of that bad speed control ends past 20-30% growth

[wooden mica]

you ever be airbreaking and then your wings fold up

like bruh

[paper oriole]

I usually just tap airbreak to attempt to avoid that but sometimes the game just says “no” lol

[wooden mica]

ptera be like "i see the light"

[paper oriole]

Hold it a bit too long and your pt just decides it doesn’t wanna be in the air anymore

Sometimes hitting space again doesnt even fix it

Can be 90% stam and the space bar becomes useless

[wooden mica]

gives me the shits when it happens on water and youre just high enough that you just snap your neck on impact, with the water, the deep water....

[tight oxide]

so uh

biggest tips needed here...

utah...

[paper oriole]

Uhhh dont go near them unless you’re that bored lol

Never know when itll be a decent one

[wooden mica]

tip for utah - have a group or do something else

[paper oriole]

Utah can survvie easy solo but… boring

[wooden mica]

^ thas what i mean LOL

[paper oriole]

If youre alone, ust hunt boars south of center for food and then pick fights when food isnt an issue and retreat is easier

Frustrating when youre hungry at center and there is a carno teno mix pack, 10 stegos and a pachy megaherd all preventing you from eating

[wooden mica]

speaking of food

they need to up the spawn on all of it, esp toads, all i ever see is boars and one or 2 deer LOL

[paper oriole]

I see frogs a lot, but the problem is they jump 500 feet in to water before you see them usually

What they need to do is up the food values

Predators should generally be filling up on 20% of their body weight

[wooden mica]

herbi food everywhere, sounds counter productive but youd be surprised, people move on maps more when theres more options, otherwise they stay in one spot that the know food can be found

[paper oriole]

Herbi food has too many clusters

It should be more evenly spread so herds actually gotta move and not sit with 10 nodes of each plant clustered together at oasis

[wooden mica]

it needs to be everywhere honestly, like, to support a population of herbi players that can then move to wherever they want to, i know id like to be anywhere but oasis but thats the only place food is regularly spawned

[paper oriole]

Tbh i want both herbi and carni diets totally reworked but i dont have much hope for either

I made an herbi overhaul doc suggestion a while back and im still working (procrastinating) on the carni one but i doubt the devs see it anyway

[wooden mica]

devs only look at the important peoples suggestions for pretty much any game

and even then they just look

you get the illusion of being heard when they already were heading in the same direction that was coincidentally mentioned

[paper oriole]

Tbh probably

Ive felt for a very long time that the feedback channels are just there to make people feel like their input matters. Ive seen feedback taken action on a few times but thats probably because its also discussed in isle discussion when a dev is there

[obtuse fractal]

#general-feedback message just pointing out that certain birds DO do courting in the air

[paper oriole]

As any herbivore sans juvi pachy you can avoid stegos so easily. That feedback is

[paper oriole]

People hanging out near something that can easily oneshot them even with a misclick and then complaining when they die

Go away from oasis and you probably wont even run in to an adult stego and if you do, literally walk away

[limber hull]

No, stegos should simply protect me from all carnivores and if they kill me they're toxic and they're the problem

herbis know stegos are very good so they seek them for protection rather than the protection of adults of their own kind, and when that protection fails, they get upset

[paper oriole]

People expecting gentle giant just because something eats leaf as if it isn't being controlled by a human and as if herbivores are that peaceful to begin with

[limber hull]

listen, irl, i wouldn't walk up to a stego. You think the big-ass animal with a tiny brain is going to be friendly when any shape it doesn't recognise moves in its general direction?

[paper oriole]

Pachies and tenontos kfs juvi herbs on sight and then can't believe it when they are kfs by a stego

[limber hull]

No it's going to fire every synapse in that little skull and it's going to attack whatever it sees

[paper oriole]

lol so many herbis irl will just gut you if you walk up to them

Some of them do it for fun

Hippos and elephants will go out of their way just to kill something because they can

Thats debatable

Stegs may kill another juvi steg realistically if it isnt theirs

Lots of footage of herbis killing tiny harmless birds too, either for fun or even to eat them

Zebras do it

Lots of male herd animals dont like babies that arent theirs

I mean herbis killing babies of their own species, but they also do other species

Like buffalo will just stamp and gut some lion cubs they see

Lots of apes/monkeys kidnap babies from other species to do questionable things with them

Yeah usually

Just sweep it up with its tail and drag it off

[barren crater]

The only time someone should be with a stego is if it's their friend, cause at least you know they won't kill you. Trusting randoms is a massive mistake lol

[paper oriole]

Not even, one misclick is all it takes. One bad reaction to a threat, one misplaced swing in a fight

[barren crater]

That's why you avoid the range of the stego then

[signal beacon]

That doesn't look like a stego sillowet... stabs repeatedly

[paper oriole]

Even with the server issues you can die from a shitbox

Long story short dont sit near them and complain about death

[limber hull]

i honestly do believe the current stego playstyle reflects the animal extremely well

some guy complained it was brainless combat, which I agree with, because it fits extremely well with the brainless animal

[signal beacon]

I will eat and kill anything that moves even if it's my own species because I am fucking blind

[paper oriole]

Stegos being played by bloodthirsty warmongers reflecting on how short fused and “act first, maybe think a bit later” the animal would be

[signal beacon]

Pachy always attracts the kind of people that have the same attitude pachys had

BoB, the isle... uh... prior extinction...?

[limber hull]

The dude also proposed a completely, imho, insane change which made each direction you swing in cost a different amount of stam and do a different amount of damage to "make stego take more thought"

[paper oriole]

So many people asking for stupid ass punishments for herbis just to pad their own bad decisions

[limber hull]

No apparently this guy plays stego and still wants this

[paper oriole]

Yikes

[limber hull]

Front Jab: 1.25 K dmg, 10% stam cost
Side jab: 900 dmg, 7,5% stam cost
Side-Back jab: 825 dmg, 5,5% stam cost
Back-Jab: 750 dmg, 5% Stam cost

This shit is insane

[signal beacon]

I think that stego swing should work like utah's jump. Each swing starts to take more and more stamina BUT if you land a swing the next one won't cost extra as a reward for actually hitting your shot

[paper oriole]

That could probably work for a lot of attacks if done right, including alt bites

[limber hull]

I'm fine with nerfing stego, but making it go down the wacky roulette route and trying to make it a "smart" animal isn't a good idea. Stego players should be extremely linear in how they respond to shit because it's a dumb fucking animal

I am 100% fine with stego playing like a dipshit because it IS a dipshit

It is a biological dipshit

[signal beacon]

Stego should have 2 actions.

1. Stab
2. Run a little then stab

[paper oriole]

Forcing an animal that cant escape from any of its threats to be a ‘smart playstyle’ is kinda dumb. It doesn’t control confrontations

Carnis rn have very limited utility and the ecosystem is bad, thats it

And also oasis

[limber hull]

People want it nerfed because it's become extremely oppressive in this oasis meta. Remove the oasis, spread out the food and I bet stego's chokehold on the game will loosen

It's a defensive animal in a single area of intense activity

Of course it'll do well

[signal beacon]

Literally fix the map and remove oasis and all the problems people have with stego will be solved. The only problem with it that kills people is mega herds protected by 3 stegos that raise a pachy army to do the stegos bidding. Or they just camp all the resources because its do easy to do so

[limber hull]

Herbis also become extremely apparent in their strength when they can vibe in a single location with full food

[signal beacon]

Fuck I didn't read this. I type slow ...

[limber hull]

Because herbis are primarily defensive

And the full diets mean they reach adulthood quite quickly

[signal beacon]

Like current herbivore balance is pretty fine. Pachy just needs bug fixes. It's the fact that they have a literal fortress to live at

[signal beacon]

Granted, carnivores tend to have pretty easy growth once they get the ball rolling

All 3 nutrients from 1 meal

[limber hull]

Yea but carnivore diets are awful with the current system

Way too easy as juvi

[signal beacon]

Just stock up before 50%

Then suffer during adulthood

[limber hull]

The adulthood isn't even that bad imho lmao. I just hate how easy juvi is

[signal beacon]

You need to kill deer and dryo to get this nutrient.

Okay how much do I get per kill?

7%!

Food value moment

[mint girder]

It’s like trying to befriend a wild rhinoceros

[barren crater]

As a Utah I generally camp deino spawns to get as much diets as possible seeing as that’s the only way to do it

[lusty seal]

@limber hull Id be curious to hear why you dont like the herbivore going crazy idea

[barren crater]

I can see why tbf, you shouldn't limit herbivores ability to kill each other

[lusty seal]

it wouldnt limit but discourage

[barren crater]

They shouldn't be discouraged either

[lusty seal]

well I kept in mind that some people want to kill other herbis and they can have that gameplay

[barren crater]

Debuffs shouldn't be a thing, the best way to discourage others is to simply know what you're up against

[low canopy]

would be kinda weird to limit diets so that mixpacking overpacking are more difficult to do and at the same time say:
now play nice and dont kill each other over "limited resources" okay 🙂

[barren crater]

A pachy up against a stego? The stego rolls it, yet the pachy can run away

If you get killed, that's your fault

You had every opportunity to avoid it

[lusty seal]

i know i just started the convo but ill have to finish later XD

i gtg

[barren crater]

all good, peace

[lusty seal]

but killing other herbivores

[barren crater]

yes?

[lusty seal]

usually a pachy will just kill another pachy, or a small teno, or a hypsi, etc

thats the kind of behavior to discourage

[barren crater]

That's the issue though, if a small creature that isn't equipped with the tools to either defend itself- shows up near a larger, stronger and faster playable- you're simply at its mercy.

Having swamps be accessible to small tenos without the worry of deinos- at least not full grown ones- is a better design than discouraging pachys from killing them

Similarly, hypsis should avoid pachys anyway- or at least stick to where they're safe. In the future, they'll be arboreal iirc, so that's another positive

[paper oriole]

Nah

Stop being overtrusting and unaware of your surroundings and the ‘cannibal’ problem basically disappears

[lusty seal]

hmmm, I guess you guys are right XD

[paper oriole]

Ah, another abusable or bypssable herbi corpse debuff suggestion. This is what, the thousandth corpse guard debuff clone?

[lusty seal]

but at the same time, does it not sound fun to be a crazy dinosaur killing others?

well if its to discourage, i guess you would have a harder time

so no I guess

[paper oriole]

People already debuff a shitty debuff/status effect

[lusty seal]

huh

[paper oriole]

The albinism idea for cannibals/kfsers was better than the BoB style cringe debuffs

[lusty seal]

I dont like straight up debuffs

why would a pachy get weaker after killing another pachy

[limber hull]

how to beat a stego!!!

1. Find a piece of meat (any will do)
2. Run close to the stego with the meat
3. The body guard effect will take place and it will run out of stamina!!
4. Pounce, it cannot buck, swing, run or swim away as the body guard penalty will prevent it from using stam
5. You win!

[lusty seal]

but would that pachy be thinking straight? on first or second kill maybe, but after a while, maybe not.

[paper oriole]

Then explain what “going insane” would do as a status effect

[paper oriole]

Literally any slow herbi in a long lasting fight against a pack getting abused by a stupid debuff system

[sand lantern]

I meant just a corpse not a piece of meat

[lusty seal]

Might hit randomly, be a little slower and have weird movement but have random bursts of faster then normal speed and strength, vision might be a little wonky, things like that

[limber hull]

how to beat a stego!!!

1. Find a juvi or hypsi corpse (any corpse will do)
2. Run close to the stego with the meat
3. The body guard effect will take place and it will run out of stamina!!
4. Pounce, it cannot buck, swing, run or swim away as the body guard penalty will prevent it from using stam
5. You win!

[paper oriole]

Body droppers abound + utahs dying in a fight against a stego or something just debuffing it. And if it needs to be by the body a long time for the debuff then it is bypassable

Literally a useless system

[sand lantern]

Make it so very small corpses don’t effect it

[lusty seal]

imo I just dont like the idea just because it doesnt make a whole lot of sense for that to happen naturally

[limber hull]

So stegos CAN bodyguard juvis, the easiest form of food for predators

At what point is it no longer "very small"

is a troodon not allowed to eat a small kill because a stego is unaffected?

[sand lantern]

I never see stegos body guard small things only be things

[lusty seal]

and it would feel lame to leave a corpse because of a debuff

[paper oriole]

And if small pack hunter corpses dont give the debuff it just boils down to a few things that herbis have problems bodyguarding

[low canopy]

amusingly if body dragging was not a thing, it would be easy to come up with mechanic to "fix" this

[limber hull]

Body drag mechanic > body guard mechanic

[low canopy]

i agree

[paper oriole]

They always bodyguard utah and pachy bodies too as long as it gets a reaction. And if utah sized animals can still give the debuff then it is an abusable system due to long lasting fights

[sand lantern]

Ok

I agree

[lusty seal]

this is what i said going crazy could od

[sand lantern]

There has to be a way around this easy explotation

[paper oriole]

Herbi diets are boring as fuck, they have oasis where they can megaherd and even mixpack, the carni roster is low utility right now and we have a badly build and incomplete ecosystem. Those are the problems that make this behaviour common.

[limber hull]

i'd honestly like herbi diets more if they made me actually move around for them

i was actually excited for the whole "moving around" thing lmao

[paper oriole]

Herbi diets are a boring ass little shopping list, same as carni diets.

[lusty seal]

I just end up moving around aimlessly

[sand lantern]

What if herbis couldn’t smell fresh corpses?

[paper oriole]

I dont want to walk in a triangle for 3 plants when playing deathmatch or trolling is a funner option

[lusty seal]

I dont like the "any land type" kinda foods

[limber hull]

I mean, you can just eat the plants then fuck around for a while nothing stops you

[lusty seal]

your just wandering with no aim, hoping to stumble across the plant

[limber hull]

Some herbis, especially stego, starve real slow

[paper oriole]

Also there are clusters, oasis being the worst one, enabling people to just afk in a herd

[lusty seal]

I think that each plant should have specific locations they spawn in and they do so consitstently, so you kind of start learning the environment around you

[paper oriole]

Plants should spawn in their biomes more rendomly and evenly

Not in specific regions

[barren crater]

Starvation isn't even a threat for herbis. Get all 3 diets to 200% range and eat grass to not starve so you can constantly pvp

[lusty seal]

I ment places not regions

like rivers is a place. I really like the way potatos spawn by rivers

[limber hull]

I'll be honest, if I have to cross rivers, explore different biomes and evade predators on my search for a diet food, it'd be way better

But right now it's "hmmm, me oasis time"

[paper oriole]

Also when herbis have 2 brawlers and a land apex while carnis have low utility animals, people are gonna pick the brawlers to brawl

[limber hull]

The "walking in a triangle" thing isn't an offensive concept if there's engagement to that triangle

If I'm doing shit in that triangle, then I focus less on the triangle and more on the other exciting shit

[lusty seal]

More biomes and making them unique might just solve the problem. There might not be more too it

[limber hull]

It's like how CTF in Halo is literally walking back and forth between two points, except it's the shit that goes on between those points that makes the game so engaging

[paper oriole]

It also looks like there arent any soon-to-come mechanics thatll distract much from the deathmatch

Courting dances? People are gonna use those to dance on bodies. Nesting? More megagroup recruits

[limber hull]

Weather seems like the most survival-centric update

Like, it's ALL about survival

[paper oriole]

Hopefully and not some plain boring hindrance like legacy

[limber hull]

Yea

Fires sound sick ngl

[lusty seal]

locational weather?

If they just make the regions and inbetween the regions good, the triangle would be fine

[limber hull]

Yea exactly

Make the journey engaging and I won't give a shit about the destination

[lusty seal]

with biomes im thinking. Going through endless jungles isnt too fun but also a redwood? hmm

[limber hull]

If you split up the food enough, predators will also split up and find ways to circumvent certain animals journeys to their foods

[lusty seal]

why didnt they do that

[limber hull]

Jungles are cool, redwoods are cool, I will do both

[lusty seal]

performance? too many food make the game lag?

[limber hull]

It was apparently to help test the system

[low canopy]

at this point u just gotta trust that professionals know what they are doing

[lusty seal]

XD yeah

[limber hull]

I'm REALLY hoping 4.5 is still planned (I think it is?) and it aims to fix these issues

[barren crater]

they said 4.5 was already released

[limber hull]

Was it? That doesn't sound right

[low canopy]

would be nice if someone poked punch about if we are gonna get a proper patch before u5

[limber hull]

I think we might but don't quote me on that I very much could be wrong

[barren crater]

pachy was 4.5 and they said they released both content together

[limber hull]

huh

well, let's hope any "minor" patch comes out before U5

although U5 seems to be ZOOMIN' compared to U4, which is a nice sign

[barren crater]

yeah looking good so far

would be cool to see some stuff ticked off for the roadmap

[paper oriole]

Gigantoraptor is cool but wtf theres no thought put in to that suggestion on what it would do and what its niche could be

“Spend thousands on this animal because it cool/underrated”

[limber hull]

big

[low canopy]

would it not cause even bigger problems similar to carno, where it just outsizes and outspeeds considerable portion of the rosteer

[barren crater]

how big is it anyway?

[icy lion]

Smaller than theri afaik

3 tons?

[barren crater]

I feel like it would play like a larger galli from its build

[limber hull]

wasn't it a herbivore, kind of more like ovi?

[paper oriole]

Omnivore, most if not all oviraptorids probably were

Just eat anything that they can eat whole

[limber hull]

i mean

yea i guess a mid-tier omni actually could be cool, so at least it's not a dumb roster suggestion

[paper oriole]

The omni mid tier is well open for candidates if theyre actually gonna flesh it out some day but i assume a handful of herbis are likely gonna get a faction shift for starters on that

It could be cool but this guy put no thought in to what the animal would do/how it would play

[limber hull]

true

frankly, i'm not OPPOSED to it, I just wish he elaborated

[paper oriole]

Like I want balaur and iggy in the game but writing “add this animal cus it's cool” does nothing but clutter the feedback channel and almost makes the devs look justified for seemingly ignoring the whole feedback tab

[potent arrow]

.

[paper oriole]

.

[barren crater]

Yeah, at least make detailed points- even if I may disagree with it

[paper oriole]

Just picturing giganto off the top of my head i feel it would automatically just be galli+, hyper galli, what ever. Some ideas on how it would be unique and not just an upsized clone of galli and ovi's gameplay that already look too close would be nice

Oviraptorids are one of my favorite groups of dinos, id love to see giganto but im already disappointed with what has been revealed for ovi so far, i dont want another wasted animal

[urban flax]

SEMIAQUATIC GIGANTORAPTOR

[paper oriole]

Arboreal gigantoraptor

Burrowing venomous gigantoraptor

[urban flax]

Glider gigantoraptor

[paper oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-kaperoo-gif-23826254

[limber hull]

why are so many suggestions to make ptera quetz

[paper oriole]

people cant comprehend, can't bring themselves to imagine something being on the carni faction and not being an active PvP murder machine

or people who know how braindead easy pt is and want it to be able to kill shit easy because it is a low time value animal and they dont like to put in any effort

like literally, wait for quetz lmao

bawling at "grappled in its claws"

ah yes time to grapple some juvies with these on my 90kg leather seagull

[limber hull]

And 90kg is vastly overweight for it honestly

ptera would be a better egg eater than juvi hunter

[paper oriole]

yeah i could see it raiding nests or pecking hatchlings to death but he aint carrying a struggling juvi with those "claws" or those forceps on his face

people seem to think "it flies so its a freaking eagle gonna grab you with his talons rawr xd"

[limber hull]

Alas, I select the carnivore faction, yet I cannot kill everything I see reliably? What is this?

BTW I really hope sucho leans into that fisher niche so people can throw a big fit when it isn't able to hunt shit down as a carnivore

[paper oriole]

pt can already kill some juvies too but people seem to want it to be an acctive bird of prey gameplay when its an obvious piscivore

not all carnivores = rip and tear, slay them all

just like not all herbivores = gentle giant, pacifist and flighty.

[limber hull]

MY HUNTER FANTASY NO

[urban flax]

What baffles me is that people are absolutely bent on having ptera pickup things and drop them, which is the worst way to make it combat oriented

[paper oriole]

people watch jp and go "haha yes this doesnt look stupid at all" and want it on our pt who has different anatomy

[urban flax]

Ptera being able to divebomb and deal high damage would make much more sense and be way better for gameplay (although leaving it as it is is still the best option)

[limber hull]

best part is the animals in JP are "pterodactyls", not pteranodons

[paper oriole]

Low value animal, grows basically instantly, flying around picking people up with its farfalle toes and dropping them to their deaths. Once it gets a bit of air even escaping it will result in death or damning injury that lets the victim get finished off easily

[spare terrace]

to those of you who are saying "stop wanting ptera to be a quetz", may I remind you that quetz was as large as a giraffe. it would not bother with picking juvies up. it was a titan

[paper oriole]

Okay?

Its the optimal pvp flyer

[urban flax]

Quetz is 250 kg, it wouldn't be able to pick up a adult utah

[paper oriole]

Pt is not. Pt is there to eat fish, peck some babies, eat some eggs and swoop you like an annoying magpie until it dies and regrows instantly to spam call on an unreachable rock

That is PT’s life, don't like it? Oh well

Quetz might be able to kill a utah if the utah's right mouse button is broken but juvies? It could totally pick them off on the regular

[barren zephyr]

even human feet are better at grabbing than those lmao

[paper oriole]

ya human feet dont underestimate them i pick up dishes my dog licked and put them in the dishwasher with those grabbers

Pt feet? Literal pasta

[spare terrace]

maybe I'm just too used to ark fliers, but ptera just has too little gameplay value. it needs something extra, as with dryo. hypsi has blinding spit which is something

[paper oriole]

Pt is fun for a troll, a lighthearted playthrough. It will be able to ransack nests when that comes, it doesnt need much more tbh

[barren zephyr]

I mean in all fairness quetz isnt a classic raptorial flyer like a hawk or owl

[barren crater]

wait for nesting and kill hatchlings 👍

[barren zephyr]

its more like a massive stork (likely a wader that also feeds on small terrestrial prey)

[spare terrace]

that's what my general feedback suggestion was about. killing hatchlings,.

[paper oriole]

Oceanic diving would be cool but PvPwise, just leave that to quetz for the most part

Picking them up with its feet is stupid and its beak doesnt look good for that either

[barren crater]

it will be able to, as nesting will bring actual hatchlings

[paper oriole]

Pt feet shaped like this, it aint “grappling” shit

[barren crater]

so they'll be at your mercy

[paper oriole]

Pt can oneshot hypsis with its peck so dont even worry about hatchlings

Its gonna do it, just… not like an eagle which it isnt

[barren crater]

plus they can't run from you

just troll the parents

[spare terrace]

ptera is bigger and heavier than an eagle. if anything it should be better at being an eagle

[barren zephyr]

i mean in all fairness if you were to create a realistic raptorial pterosaur it would probably look significantly different from a typical screeching movie pteranodon

[paper oriole]

Wait for them to leave, fly down and peck away, even if they come back and kill you, regrow instantly

[barren zephyr]

Apply that logic to a pelican and see how correct you are

[barren crater]

kill baby- auto pickup. drop on parent

[paper oriole]

I want to pick up eggs and drop them on rocks in front of the parents

Or on the parents, splat

[barren crater]

1 call spam, the ultimate griefing playable

[spare terrace]

fair point, though pelicans are still scary

[paper oriole]

Also size means little when you dont have the tools

[barren zephyr]

Pteranodon isnt specialised for being raptorial. Arguably the closest thing to a hawk the game has to offer is actually the dromaeosaurs

[spare terrace]

i do not understand why you compare ptera feet with pasta. they are long clawed toes, much like most non-aquatic birds

[barren zephyr]

Birds of prey have feet specialised for carrying things

[paper oriole]

Guys, have you heard of a big eagle we could add to the isle?

H-

[spare terrace]

argentavis?

[paper oriole]

Bruh

Wasnt argent more of a condor

[spare terrace]

big vulture yes

[paper oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-isle-eagle-kaperoo-brax-gif-20307267

[barren zephyr]

Argentavis (and other teratorns) were a weird mix of new world vulture, stork and caracara

[spare terrace]

ahh, the raid boss haast maximus!

[paper oriole]

Biggest eagle in history would be fodder in the isle tbh

[barren zephyr]

their feet couldn't grasp like accipitrids, owls or falcons, and so were mostly ground foragers

[paper oriole]

And pterosaurs just aint built like that

[barren crater]

why?

[barren zephyr]

Pteranodon itself wasn't really a terrestrial animal, and was instead an oceanic pterosaur.

[spare terrace]

anyway i understand y'all don't agree with pterosaurs grabbing small prey with its feet, but its mechanic gets boring after a while, and clinging onto 'walls' doesn't bring much substance. it needs something else. even if it could regen stam when its clinging would be something

[paper oriole]

People overestimate his size and he wouldnt be able to defend his kills. Sentenced to scavenger niche

[paper oriole]

Idk i still enjoy pt

[barren zephyr]

also a further thing to note is that Dromaeosaurs were really similar to bird of prey (their feet could properly grasp and some likely employed the strategy of pinning down their prey with their body weight)

[paper oriole]

I enjoy swooping people when im bored and killing overconfident carno juvis on occasion, dont need to be on a constant bloodbath to have fun

And when i wanna switch i can divebomb in the middle of a herd and laugh at their reaction

[spare terrace]

when i say mechanic, i do not mean more ways to kill. i mean more ways to have fun in general

[barren zephyr]

Pteranodon is sort of predatory, but its very maladapted for it, and the point isnt really to be a terrestrial predator

[paper oriole]

It’s opportunistic, can put it at that

Not actively hunting people

It can see something that it deems worth the risk and go for it but it isnt suited to pvp for survival

Also when gore comes and we can dig in bodies vulture style on pt itll be a bit more entertaining

[barren zephyr]

Another thing to note is that pteranodon isnt even great at scavenging, either (from an irl perspective)

[barren crater]

only needs to defend against ptera tbf, like a utah needing to leave a body for carnos. you could let it pick up small tiers like hypsi also upsize it like they did with ptera

[paper oriole]

If its cautious in game it can land for a bite and haul ass but its beak isnt good for tearing flesh irl

[spare terrace]

say a mechanic to dive into the water to catch fish, like certain water birds do. idk something. even if it's not realistic it doesn't really matter to the isle, they won't even make feathered dromeos

[paper oriole]

Oceanic diving would be nice

Or in a big lake

[barren zephyr]

istiodactylids were actually specialised scavengers (with teeth for cutting meat from bone)
(image spoilered because illustrated gore)

this isnt to say pteranodon cant scavenge, but it would be kinda poor at it

[spare terrace]

idk. realistic or not, i still think ptera would suit a mechanic to pick up hatchlings from nests. an aerial raider. just for an increase in interesting gameplay. the isle isn't here to be realistic sadly, i'd love to see feathered utahs, so might as well add more gameplay at the expense of realism, in my opinion. my suggestion still stands

[limber hull]

They will be adding realistic feathered utahs as a new playable and renaming the current utah

[paper oriole]

Realism is one thing, but a lot of animals in the isle already lack it. The thing is, would it LOOK plausible

And ptera picking people up with those tiny toes would not look plausible. It already looks stupid picking up the big schooling fish as a juvi we dont need more cursed pt appearances

[low canopy]

i'd pay good money to see ptera pick up adult stego

[barren crater]

Kaiju ptera mod

[paper oriole]

BoB moment

[barren crater]

I hope to see quetz picking up dryos

[low canopy]

sounds cool

[barren crater]

Imagine quetz being able to pick up something

Isn't there like a hyper quetz or something? Won't that be even larger? I remember seeing one, or it may have been fan made

[spare terrace]

i'd like to learn more, where did you hear about this?

[barren crater]

Dondi said it. Our current utah will be renamed to something- while irl utah will be made into the game

[spare terrace]

interesting, first time hearing about it! already very happy with that, tho it will take a loooooong time for the devs to actually add it in

[barren crater]

yeah it will probs be ages to add in, since it isn't necessary to the game. I personally feel like it will be one of the last adds to the game- but that's just me

[empty epoch]

(not a fan honestly)

making realistic versions of already in-game Dinosaurs ruins the point of Sci-fi

which we could easily see these things with Mods

but if we get a good explanation, mainly via lore, to why the hell we're getting realistic versions of animals then sure

[paper oriole]

Buffing legacy pachy is useless and would probably just cause a domino effect of bugs anyway

[modest remnant]

Probably?

[spare hearth]

funny someone even asked to change anything in legacy

[paper oriole]

wtf another legacy feedback

[hoary dawn]

they should add a thing in the channel description saying legacy is no longer being worked on

or a pinned message at least

[limber hull]

i'd say reworking legacy is far more a waste of time than EVRIMA

[paper oriole]

do these people realize they HAD to start over with evrima because legacy's code was so bad?

smh

[wooden mica]

people are hung up on legacy because of memories or just that they dont wanna wait for their fave dino.... or they are people who are just against change because they are creatures of habit

that being said, go play legacy with its flaws, and let the rest of us move along with the new shi..

[paper oriole]

i get that legacy has sandbox and more playables and people miss saying shit like "say U for utah egg uwu XD" in global but they'll just have to cope

[left nacelle]

Yeah the devs literally cannot rework legacy. The code limits what they're able to do with the game

[barren zephyr]

@torpid kindle you're joking right?

[torpid kindle]

No they started evrima from scratch they could have redone legacy from scratch legacy is where it's at some minor changes and it would be great

[barren zephyr]

But they can't.

[limber hull]

they cant

[barren zephyr]

Legacy is quite literally a broken code

They TRIED to remake legacy TWICE

[torpid kindle]

It's called remake isle and make it a better legacy

[barren zephyr]

Until they noticed "Hey, this is pointless" so they made a completely different game from scratch

[limber hull]

also legacy is not where it's at. That shit sucks

[torpid kindle]

All this dying mechanics, can't see teammates name tags, attack mechanics 100mph utahs is lame

[barren zephyr]

And if I am honest with you. Legacy is ass

[barren zephyr]

So where is an actual Semi-Aquatic in Legacy?
Where is a flyer that doesn't crash the server?
Where are dinosaurs that have special abilities?

[limber hull]

where is actually decent turning mechanics

[torpid kindle]

its called adding all of that without making the came confusing and weird

[barren zephyr]

Legacy is a bland, boring game. The literal only thing it has to offer is "Muh dinos" and betger performance

[barren zephyr]

But it's quite literally impossible