general-feedback-discussion

[outer sphinx]

expression for even or 50/50

[tight oxide]

Irl utah should be faster than pachy imo

[signal beacon]

Irl utah would be more of a jungle animal in the isle

[outer sphinx]

irl utah was 25km/h so we cant make it to fast

[tight oxide]

Well tree bucking is gone so thats fine

[outer sphinx]

pachy speed sounds good imo, prob just a bit slower if it can pouncetoo

[tight oxide]

Teno speed

Idk

[outer sphinx]

teno is basically pachy speed so essentially what i said above lol

[signal beacon]

I feel like irl utah should be a more solitary animal. Maybe working in pairs or 3

[tight oxide]

Can we make pachy slower while being pounced?

[outer sphinx]

4-5 imo, we have found groups of 5 toghether afterall

[tight oxide]

4

[tight oxide]

Really?

Then 5 ig

[outer sphinx]

utah is the only dromeosaur still plausible as a pack hunter (ofc there is always the possibility that some did pack hunt while others didnt)

[tight oxide]

This?!

[outer sphinx]

yea, iirc like 3 adults and 2 subs, same idea as the alberto and allo beds, well except that there where a lot more of those found in their respective spots

[tight oxide]

Pachy can run full speed while 2 fg utahs pounce it

[outer sphinx]

it runs it causes more bleed, more bleed is more stam cost

[signal beacon]

Pachy casually running full speed while having twice its weight on it

[tight oxide]

Still thi

Tho

[outer sphinx]

sigma grind

[tight oxide]

Do 2 utahs mean nothing?!!!

[tight oxide]

Exactly

[outer sphinx]

in general the game is in dire need to have more physic systems, like objects stopping attacks, or players, slowing down with weight like you said, slowing down when you have low bleed etc

[tight oxide]

That would be the best quality of life update thats not ik system

[outer sphinx]

i've been told i can send stuff to punch directly so im planning a big as docx with a lot of my suggestions, idea to fix problems with the game, ideas in foresight of future updates etc so i'be been hard at trying to find as many of the problems players have rn with the game

[tight oxide]

Include nerf stego and pachy

[outer sphinx]

stego honestly is like just in a bad time and spot, its just the one creature designed to deal with small stuff

pachy def has a few things tho

[tight oxide]

I mean...

Punch could talk about stego removal

We have enough playables rn

[tight oxide]

@untold tapir i dont know about you but thats more of a respawn bug

Also you were a carno?

Having trouble with juvie raptors?

[untold tapir]

there were 2 full grown

and the juvies were keeping the bleed going after respawning

so if I sat down id have two babys stopping me from healing

[tight oxide]

Adult utah bleeds out carnk easily

And juvie utahs i think can get carno down by 3%

Also why didnt you use your surroundings

Like go into some shallow water

Or a mud pit

[untold tapir]

true but the adults were causing the damage the juvies just werent letting me heal basically

[tight oxide]

And to be fair nothing can be done about juvie utah keeping you bleeding without nerfing their bleed

But then any other dino could keep you bleeding

[tight oxide]

Any other dino could do the same

[untold tapir]

yeah problem there is, is that a juvie can just respawn near and come over again and again

[tight oxide]

Its a bug

Happens when you die early i think

[untold tapir]

Yeah but other than that how does it make sense for a baby raptor to bleed a full grown carno

even though it doesnt do much, it keeps the bleed up

[tight oxide]

Because logic is they wont let your blood clots stay closed

And juvie utah pounce does crazy bleed to other juvie dinos

[untold tapir]

yeah guess so, so overall I guess more of the complaint is the respawn as it causes revenge killing. Wasnt aware of the bug though

[barren zephyr]

@untold tapir that's the thing you can barely hit a juvi raptor so it's good that u got bleed and died

[tight oxide]

Tbh

Juvie utah will take years for you to die to its bleed

And you could just run away

Soooo...

[untold tapir]

yeah but if they apply a bleed its gonna take longer to heal

[tight oxide]

My guy

[untold tapir]

If the adults bleeds you

[tight oxide]

Run and heal later

[tight oxide]

You should die if adult bleeds you

Its what stops utah from being fodder

[untold tapir]

yes I get that but if I cant run and heal because I have the juvies just bleeding me whenever I sit then thats a problem

[tight oxide]

You out run juvies so fast as carno its funny

[manic flint]

Juvies should be far too slow to keep up with an adult Carnotaurus

[tight oxide]

Exactly

[untold tapir]

yes but they have scent

you can follow footsteps so easily in this game

[tight oxide]

Croutch

Or kill them far from a spawn???

[manic flint]

It still takes a whil le for them to catch up

[tight oxide]

Juvie utah is fine

[manic flint]

Crossing a river usually helps

[tight oxide]

It mostly scavenges anyways

[untold tapir]

either way all comes down to the respawn which I didnt know about I guess so my bad

[tight oxide]

Its fine

Spawn timer will glitch at time

[untold tapir]

And I didnt know about crouching to stop the footsteps so ive learnt a bit anyway

[tight oxide]

Lol

You can also run around to confuse them

Like circles or go backwards a bit

[untold tapir]

yeah, Ill know that for next time, thanks for the help mate 🙂

[tight oxide]

Np

[untold tapir]

I basically didnt have a good understanding of how it worked tbh

[manic flint]

Gl mate

[marble tundra]

Plus its literally One shot for you to kill them. If you get in an open field and fight them there you'll win. You shouldn't be running through the woods as a carno, your just asking to die from raptors

[limber hull]

@patent garden devs have explicitly said they want as little combat-effecting perks as possible

[jovial crow]

And im sure the devs don't have the intention of making the perks able to change the niche of the playables

[limber hull]

i mean, i'd be fine if they changed specific niches

like having deino become survivable in salt water and coasts

or making teno more accustomed to swimming

[jovial crow]

But that examples are not changing niches, deino still is a water based animal and teno is already a better swimmer than average so that just make it a little better

[limber hull]

it changes their survival methods and primary biomes. I'd say that's an example of niche changing

[patent garden]

literally everything affects combat in this game

i dont think it’s possible to just say “well i dont want it to affect combat and so it wont :)”

[jovial crow]

If they made sea reptiles yeah, deino would be changing the niche

[patent garden]

devs have fucked up the balancing plenty of times idk why we’d expect them to do better with talents

[limber hull]

i personally love the idea of perks

as long as they focus on survival over combat

[jovial crow]

Depends in what mechanics will the perks affect

[patent garden]

i like the saltwater one but… why not just make all deinos able to swim in saltwater? or those that spawn in ocean areas?

why make it some clunky ass choice? why not an organic part of gameplay?

[jovial crow]

They can swim in salt water, they just get dihidrated like the other dinos

[patent garden]

i.e, spend x amount of time in the sea as a juvenile deino and then you’re good to stay there as an adult

[limber hull]

and deciding what environment you want to live in is clunky how? it gives way to player agency and creates a way for people to make an animal play as they like

[patent garden]

also i mean like “survivable” in the sense wave used it

[jovial crow]

Either way crocs are only able to live in one of the two kinds of water irl

[patent garden]

yes i think adding a random popup in the middle of gameplay is lazy and should be avoided. make it organic. still have perks, but make players do a task actually related to that perk in order to gradually obtain it

[limber hull]

why the hell would you expect it to be a random popup

[patent garden]

i.e, live in the saltwater as a young deino

[limber hull]

you're making a lot of assumptions about a system we know nothing about thusfar

[outer sphinx]

its a perk not an EA transaction lmao

[barren zephyr]

@lament pecan
#general-feedback message

[jovial crow]

A really broken perk would be for example giving allo the bone breaker ability of rex

[barren zephyr]

that's female stego skin
We're getting that soon 🙂

[jovial crow]

I would prefer them to be working in a cerato animation rather than a female skin of stego

[limber hull]

wha

lmao what the fuck are you on about

[barren zephyr]

female skin was made 2 years ago

and
Modellers =/= animators

[limber hull]

actually painful how many people dont understand this

[barren zephyr]

yes

[jovial crow]

How was I gonna know

[barren zephyr]

#phase-two-archive now you know

[outer sphinx]

this team isnt that small where there is 1 guy that does everything... also the devblogs clearly state and show this

[jovial crow]

Yeah I know, I didn't had time to think of a better example

[barren zephyr]

tis tis

[limber hull]

why is jace working on level design when there's so many bugs

[jovial crow]

And I perfectly know that each team member works on a different aspect of the gane

[patent garden]

why isnt jace just coding the game

[barren zephyr]

yeah

[patent garden]

such a silly goose

[jovial crow]

I also get annoyed when someone is angry because a 3d artist is sketching and someone get mad and say he should be optimazing the game

[limber hull]

but honestly, i feel perks can grant a level of customisation that is needed for the game

want an animal to be more nocturnal? we can have perks for that

want an animal to become more aquatic? perks

stuff that lets you play how you want

[patent garden]

being more nocturnal or more aquatic affects combat tho

like why not just play a nocturnal dino in the first place

[limber hull]

barely

[outer sphinx]

it affects what you fight not how you fight

[barren zephyr]

we know elder milestones will (cosmetically)

[limber hull]

because i like gameplay of x dino but also like nocturnalism

[jovial crow]

But it needs to already be related to water in that case

[limber hull]

like i wouldn't give a stego an aquatic perk or a nocturnal perk

[patent garden]

no, it does. remember how dilos used to hunt in legacy? they hunted that way solely because of their night vision

[limber hull]

you know you could add perks with weaknesses to account for their strengths

[patent garden]

having better nv gives you tons of advantage

[barren zephyr]

perks giving one negative and one positive. 🙂

[outer sphinx]

perks absolutely should give a buff and a debuff

[jovial crow]

Troodon can't survive if he only has his weak bite force

[barren zephyr]

yes

[patent garden]

idk im not saying a perk system couldnt work at all… im saying the devs would be shit at balancing it to where it would meed to be in order to work

[barren zephyr]

it has venom

[patent garden]

that was my primary concern

[jovial crow]

Some dinos need some gane mechanics to be viable

[outer sphinx]

perks should be: you get better in this regard but loose in this other one, you make a trade

[barren zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-robot-guards-thats-the-point-sergeant-gif-16725636

[barren zephyr]

Salt Water Deino perk.
You can drink salt water, but not fresh

[patent garden]

id rather they focus on fleshing out various dinos’ niches rather than try to make every dino fit every single player’s playstyle

[limber hull]

the ideal perk system

[barren zephyr]

yes

[jovial crow]

Yeah, Venom that injects with biting, to bite you need to be close to the pray, and with the light of day is hard

[barren zephyr]

1. be in a horde
2. hunt things small

[limber hull]

i'd rather player agency over server host agency every day of the week lmao

[jovial crow]

Yeah cause making a horde us the easiest thing ever

[barren zephyr]

hunt small things

[jovial crow]

You could say that for every dino

[outer sphinx]

troo is like how utah should be, small numbers- hunt smaller stuff, more numbers- hunt bigger stuff

[barren zephyr]

Yes, but it's a small

so, therefore, hunt things you size.
You have venom and speed to your advantage.

[jovial crow]

The point of the venom is being able to take large prays, troodon doesn't need venom to hunt a hypsi

[outer sphinx]

if the venom is to hunt larger prey what stops it from not working on smaller stuff, it would just be way more effective

bites once and hypsi just dies soon after

or how troos venom will work

[jovial crow]

You didn't get It, of course venom makes faster the hunt of a hypsi, but my point is troodon can perfectly hunt a hypsi without venom

[outer sphinx]

also with hypsi beeing able to climb trees at some point troo will more likely hunt dryo

wich is much larger thna troo and venom would def help

[jovial crow]

I didn't said venom wouldn't help to take small prey

[outer sphinx]

oh ye, but venom still would help to make easy hunts easier

[barren zephyr]

🙂

[jovial crow]

But that was not my point

[outer sphinx]

your point was that venom is meant to be used just for larger game hunting, right?

[barren zephyr]

yes

[limber hull]

especially if my boy ends up nocturnal

[jovial crow]

Ok, venom is meant to make troodon able to take large pray and not only being able to take smaller prey

[outer sphinx]

then there needs to be a balance to venom to not be inherenetly OP, stuff like the larger the prey gets the faster the prey gets detoxified, thus needing more constant bites (risk) or more numbers

[jovial crow]

I guess the more you bite the more the venom will damage, one bite to a stego would do nothing, and I Know legacy players dont like mechanics that use mass, but venom persistance should be attach to dino mass

[outer sphinx]

so for ex hunting a dryo would be a a bit harder solo with it beeing more thna double your weight, but beeing fairly small the venom gets to it fast and stays longer, but once you reach smth much larger like pachy you start to need more bites or members to keep it active

[lavish quail]

Nocturnal squirrel

[outer sphinx]

neither of these venoms from what we know so far does damage outside of the bite itself, they apply debuffs, and for troo looks like its way higher stam cost, puking and some other ill effects, and dilo is halucinations

[lavish quail]

[outer sphinx]

epic emote fail

[jovial crow]

@outer sphinx maybe a medicinal planta could be added

[lavish quail]

[barren zephyr]

salt rock

[jovial crow]

Thats for throwing up not poison

[outer sphinx]

ik some time ago there was a salt lick stone in development, idk if it was scrapped but the idea of an item in the world to help take away the venom is here

[jovial crow]

I thought salt rocks were only meant for throw up debuff

[outer sphinx]

so very likely venom will have an item that you can use to remove the venom instantly instead of waiting for that to happen

[limber hull]

i think hypsi is more of a squirrel than dryo

[outer sphinx]

prob but the idea of an item to remove a debuff exists in general

[jovial crow]

@outer sphinx venom will be use with any bite or with a secondary or alt bite attack?

[outer sphinx]

like wallow has mud pools (excluding scarcity) each mechanic that bases itself on a debuff will have a spot/ item that will remove it/ increase the rate at wich you get rid of a debuff

[outer sphinx]

we dont know that but i'd guess its either main bite or if they make only rmb (special attack) do it, like how snakes today can choose when to use venom

and if its the rmb way both would prob have an alt

[jovial crow]

What will differentiate troodon from dilo?

[outer sphinx]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/423939730544132096/933315128026361857

[barren zephyr]

🙂

[jovial crow]

I habe remembered

[outer sphinx]

troo just makes you ill basically and dilo has halucinations

[jovial crow]

Yeah, I forgot

[outer sphinx]

but venom imo should have a limit to how it works, for troo more so as dilo has the fact that it only works at night, where the larger the animal is from troo the less effective the venom it (it wears off faster and takes longer to reach full capacity) so it needs more bites or numbers

[lavish quail]

I spent 4h on Dryo yesterday

Made it to 100% only once

You can barely run if your spotted

Everything is so much faster…

Also the first time I played Isle for a good while

Diets still a chore

[wicked osprey]

wtf so many fatal errors

fix ur fking game already been 2 years with all these bugs

[echo tiger]

been longer than that buddy.

[stray holly]

@barren zephyr are you anti-cannibal

[neon cave]

i've went from one end of this river to the other and back again and i've found .... 2 schools of fish

[crude girder]

[hybrid matrix]

what
the
fuck was that

[neon cave]

honestly, i'm afraid to ask

[normal shuttle]

Before posting anything in the feedback channel, would someone mind making me a small summary of the problems of having Cama/Brachi in survival so I can know what to write later?

Evrima, obviously

I wanted to talk about any big sauropod getting added in the future, since I(and some people) REALLY like sauropods

And I don’t consider the cane toad one enough

[urban flax]

Too good, too strong
A pack of rexes if barely gonna threaten a single cama

Though I think cama is planned for survival some time in the future

[normal shuttle]

But useless juvenile

[urban flax]

Not sure tho

Legacy

[urban flax]

Making something useless as a juvenile doesn't completely remove its adult counterpart from the equation. Juvie pachy is trash currently, yet you see adult ones everywhere because once they reach adulthood they're pretty much untouchable, unless they wllingly get into a lot of trouble

[normal shuttle]

Well, that’s true…

Maybe food could also be an (obvious) issue once they’re grown so there are not too many camas around?

One thing is a 500kg herbivore and a very different one is a 20 ton one

[urban flax]

They are overpowered by design, and I don't really get your point. That's the same reason people don't want microraptor in the game, because it's the opposite. You can't make microraptor useful in The Isle, like you can't make brachi balanced without nerfing it into oblivion and upsetting eveyone who doesn't completely hate sauropods

Having brachis kill each others on sight could be a way... but really weird to see

[normal shuttle]

Doubt

I think Brachi would actually smack a Giga

In a 1v1

[urban flax]

We have no proof giga killed sauropods. Maybe they hunted sauropods and fed by flesh grazing on smaller sauropods, but it deosn't mean a giga alone could kill a brachi. It would take an entire pack of gigas to kill one, and giga isn't designed to be a pack hunter in The Isle.

[echo tiger]

Deino is just a useless playable by design btw, it can never be properly balanced.

[normal shuttle]

Perhaps 3 could kill one, but otherwise it would just be biting the legs of something that weights 4 times more

[echo tiger]

Just saw the thing in general feedback

[urban flax]

1.Sauropods were not that slow
2.Brachi could probably walk over a giga and reduce it to mince meat, it's sheer weight is enough to make it simply unstoppable

Also, considering how oversized Pue was in legacy and since brachi is gonna replace it, it might get a big upsize in evrima too

[outer sphinx]

wtf man you think brachi gonna stand there and take the hits from giga?

[normal shuttle]

If we mean in a realistic way, it would only take a single move from a brachi’s leg in the correct moment to get rid of a Giga, or at best breaking its teeth or jaw

[urban flax]

A giga will need to go in front of a brachi to reach its neck, as you said

[echo tiger]

I mean look at Pue in legacy right, if you hug its right leg you can kill it but YOU HAVE TO KNOW the precise hitboxes of where not to stand and where you are safe to hit and it kill it. The Pue has 2 extremely deadly attacks that one shot gigas and rexes and all the apexes, and im pretty sure brachi is going to be bigger than pue ever was

[urban flax]

And by going in fonrt of it, it exposes itself to a massive stomping

I'm not sure that would do enough damage to kill a brachi

Well maybe if a giga manage to rip apart its belly and eviscerate it, but we don't know how tough or thick sauropod hide was

[echo tiger]

But giga is not going to do enough to kill a fucking big ass sauropod, you're acting like they're the same size.

Weight and size would mean that bleed alone is not going to be enough

[urban flax]

I think a giga probably wouldn't have the chance to land more than one hit on a brachi

[echo tiger]

And if you get hit once by a brachi you fall over 100%

[urban flax]

And I doubt such things are gonna happen in-game

[outer sphinx]

you heavily underestimate how just sherr weight and force can do, its not all about how fats it can do it

[echo tiger]

Giga is only slightly bigger than a rex...

[urban flax]

Bigger, but lighter

[echo tiger]

BRO.

[urban flax]

If the giga runs to the brachi to try to kill it, it's definitely gonna catch up

[echo tiger]

A fucking BRACHY is not going to just sit there and let a giga bite it, it's going to retaliate and kill it easily.

[outer sphinx]

ah yes... brachi is so screwed...

the bleed will kill it

[echo tiger]

If pue is anything to go by, that kick is extremely fast for it's size and its got a huge hitbox and is an instant kill for any dino other than pue

Bro you're high.

[urban flax]

I think sauropods were theorized to go around 30 km/h
Faster than current stego

[echo tiger]

You're actually high.

[outer sphinx]

faster than a fucking rex

[urban flax]

Sauropods can't run

[echo tiger]

A Brachy will stomp the fuck or just tail swipe an apex and then it falls over

[outer sphinx]

sauropods power walk like rex and kinda like giga

[echo tiger]

Again, if PUE is anything to go by then brachy is just going to be unstoppable.

[outer sphinx]

anything in the sheer size of a sauropod (just like with elephants today) just need to move in a direction to deal with a predator

[echo tiger]

and it should be, it cant exactly run away from anything, its only defense is it's size and weight

[urban flax]

It doesn't have to
All it has to do is to smack a giga (or any apex) as it comes close, and it's game over

If they make spino bigger than rex in evrima, I guess one could have a chance to survive a hit from brachi
But it's definitely not gonna fight one

Giga isn't either
I can see a pack of 3-5 gigas taking on a brachi tho

[outer sphinx]

spino is prob bigger but gonna be the slowest carni on land next to deino

[urban flax]

Spino is actually gonna chill with sauropods

[echo tiger]

I can't even see a pack of 3-5 gigas taking on a brachi.

Atleast 8 gigas

[urban flax]

If they play very well

[outer sphinx]

i mean it prob gets body checked by cherry so it better not try anything funny

[echo tiger]

Oh yeah, but theres only so well you can play into an instant kill, large hitbox attack.

[outer sphinx]

5 could def do it

[outer sphinx]

um... utah

[echo tiger]

If we go off pue, which is reasonable then 5 is just not substantial

[urban flax]

cries in utah main

[echo tiger]

True

But utah was always OP and now its sorta fine

It just needs a little bit of love and then its pretty ok

[urban flax]

Talking about sauropod hunting
I know it's unrealistic as hell, but it would be fun to see allo pounce

Like in that one show

[echo tiger]

allosaurus had never seen such bullshit before

The only thing i can see giga doing to a brachy is killing very small ones, or just flesh grazing

[outer sphinx]

walking with dinosaurs intensifies

[urban flax]

I don't like the idea of an apex being able to feed itself by flesh grazing tho

[echo tiger]

Oh i dont either

It is too dependent on a specific food source and its only marginally interactive

[outer sphinx]

oh also the fact that sauropods are meant to only be killed by strains and apex ones at that, pretty sure that was mentioned once

[urban flax]

I mean, you're the fastest apex in the game
Hunt for your food instead of living by taking small nips of the only thing that's stronger and slower than you

[urban flax]

If only we could have a hyper brachi...
Island walker vibes

[echo tiger]

You guys think the talent system should tie to strains?

[urban flax]

Maybe

[outer sphinx]

talent system?

[echo tiger]

Almost like mutations that you can acquire as you go through your life cycle

[urban flax]

Perk system

[outer sphinx]

ah

[echo tiger]

Yeah apparently they're introducing a talent system/perk system

[outer sphinx]

ye its on the roadmap

[echo tiger]

I hope to fucking god it's not like BOB's like what i've heard from it so far

[urban flax]

I'd prefer strains as event-style objectives

[outer sphinx]

perks are connected to your playable and later there are elder perks, thats what i understood, maybe there will be strain perks too but idk

[echo tiger]

I like that to an extent, i think your perk selection should determine what kinda strain you get as an end product, but then an event happens where you compete for an active mutation to become your strain

[urban flax]

Like one of the strain monsters (colossus, reaper or mastermind) appearing somewhere, and killing and eating them allows you to become a strain

Or something like that

[echo tiger]

That would open up avenues for multi-strain builds which are a compromise, not as strong as pure strains but have some of the benefits of both strains and weaknesses of both sorta

[urban flax]

Meh I don't like stain breeds
Takes away from the uniqueness and dedication of a strain

[outer sphinx]

they already said that to get strains you must find an item/ plant in your life and complete elder (die naturally) to become that strain, same for tribals who become one of the 3 you mentioned there

[urban flax]

And we end up in the magna situation, which is lame

[urban flax]

Interesting

[echo tiger]

Magna is lame yeah but i dont think finding the shit in the world is a very good idea either

it just promotes AFKing kinda

[urban flax]

How so ?

[echo tiger]

All it takes is to just have someone that knows the spawn locations and thats it

Cause the locations can never be truely random, there will be spots where they spawn more frequently

Which someone will figure out

[urban flax]

Unless it warns people 10 mins before spawning
So if you wanna become a strain, you gotta fight off everyone who also wants to become one

[echo tiger]

That would be cool but what about playables that aren't an apex?

And mixpacking is also a fucking MASSIVE issue with that

[urban flax]

They wait for the apexes to kill each other
It looks like only combat-oriented playables are getting strains anyway

[outer sphinx]

you need to complete elder and thats the hard part not finding it, you can find it but if you didnt complete elders as intended, with the right perks, diets and die naturally you dont become a strain

[echo tiger]

Thats just a horrible system too

[urban flax]

Could be made so when someone eats the strain plant, everyone else in the area dies or suffers massive debuffs ? Idk seems too harsh

[echo tiger]

Play by my rules or dont play at all is a fucked philosophy

[outer sphinx]

and elders are intended as the endgame too, so strains is a bonus at the end

[echo tiger]

A way they could go is you could tie the strains into a pivotal element of human gameplay

[urban flax]

Maybe

1. You get the event-style plant
2. Now go to elder with that one plant in your belly and when you die you become a strain
   So it's not instant when you eat the plant

[echo tiger]

So mercs and strain becomer people want compete for the same resource, the mercs have to recover it, the strain people have to find it and ingest it

Since humans will undoubtably be the most powerful creatures in the game

[outer sphinx]

you dont have to play you just dont get to use strains, this would incentivise to play as intended, not canibalize etc, or you dont and you loose nothing, also you get to play as intended and once you get elder you have how muhc time to just fuck shit up then cling on to life so you get to strain when you fuck shit up again but turned to 11

[outer sphinx]

ye thats what i said, if you finish elder as intended but never found the plant you dont get strain, same for if you get the plant but never finish elder

plant spawns randomly or smth like that and its in hard/ weird spots

[echo tiger]

But people should just be able to play the way they want and not be punished for it, and what of certain situations? like for example you have to cannibalize cause you're starving and you have no choice, or you accidentally kill your own and then thats it, you're locked out of the strains.

[outer sphinx]

umm... there is no punishment...

[echo tiger]

Well there is. If you eat something that is your own and your starving then you dont get to become a strain because you're cannibalizing

[outer sphinx]

you can play how you want, nothing changes, if you want to get elder and strain (which are limited time options as they will die naturaly eventualy) you play by the rules of nature

[echo tiger]

But nature isn't fair, its alright saying this but it's all situational.

I shouldn't be locked out of strains just through cannibalizing one time because i was desperate and on my last legs even though im not supposed to.

[outer sphinx]

yes thats the idea, its a multiplayer game, its meant to be replayable... elders and strains especially are supposed to be very hard and rare to get

[echo tiger]

I understand that, but penalizing the player for one action and it completely fucks them out of a strain is not appealing.

[outer sphinx]

from what i got they intend this to work like you just play normaly and one day you just got the right combination and get a strain, its not meant to be grinded and you play focused to get this one thing

[echo tiger]

So what they're suggesting is pretty much raffle systems on realism servers in legacy then...?

[urban flax]

In Dark Souls if you want to win you dodgeroll. In The Isle if you want to become a strain you follow the rules. That's how games work.

[echo tiger]

Right and i'm not disagreeing with you, but sometimes rules have to be compromised since your survival takes precident. I shouldn't be fucked out of luck of getting a strain if i break the rules one time just because survival demands it

[outer sphinx]

evrima in general was gonna be like realism servers but the rules are integrated in the game, sandbox is for the people that dont like that

[outer sphinx]

better luck next life, thats is literally how they want strains to be unlocked

[echo tiger]

Thats dumb.

[urban flax]

It's supposed to not let everyone be a strain
Sure it's limiting but it's the best way to avoid having a server full of strains

[echo tiger]

Yeah i suppose but it is only a bandaid system.

[outer sphinx]

like legacy back in the day

[echo tiger]

God

on jah.

[low canopy]

depending how its balanced officials might just devolve into bunch of people growing their giga/rex/spino/utah/carno in small groups trying to reach strains and just kos others
now there is nothing wrong with it of course but it does not sound particularly enjoyable play style to me

[echo tiger]

It also incentivises mixpacking

"Yo guys i really wanna grow a strain, come help me" "ok"

Or 14 people and their buddies sign on and just form the unkillable squad to get the one guy to strainhood

[outer sphinx]

idealy the game would have systems to negate the existance of mega/ mix packs

[echo tiger]

You can't police player behaviour without it being unfun.

[outer sphinx]

and by the time strains get added such system would prob/ better be in the game

[echo tiger]

If people want to do it, they'll find a loophole.

[outer sphinx]

you can influence it if you know how

[echo tiger]

Sure, but influencing player behaviour rarely goes well.

especially in a survival game

[outer sphinx]

bc most people have no clue how to do it, the human mind is very complex

but like everything alive today, its best explained with: rewards

[echo tiger]

Right but that sounds like you're just treating your players like dogs at that point.

I'd just honestly prefer if they didn't go the route of controlling the player mentality since players will do whatever they want.

Unless its absolutely debhilitating to gameplay

[outer sphinx]

wow did it and the reactions where overwhelmingly positive

[echo tiger]

WOW is a completely different game to The Isle though

[low canopy]

there is nothing wrong with encouraging certain behavior in a game if it fits the "vision" of the game

also wow is trash, please dont put that game on pedestal

[outer sphinx]

that was an ex that it was done before, never said it did smth that can be applied here

[outer sphinx]

they did 1 good thing and that cant be undisputed, they managed to influence player behaviour efficiently, ofc this doesnt change that the game is trash but an achivement nontheless

[urban flax]

Every game controls player mentality. The best games are the one who do it without it being noticeable.

[outer sphinx]

^ and thats what i was going by when i gave the wow ex

[echo tiger]

Not strictly true, Kenshi is a pretty open ended game, same with Barotrauma and their influence on player activity is almost minimal

[outer sphinx]

the only games that really dont control player mentality are the empty slates, where you build your game essentially

[echo tiger]

I dont disagree with that, but as a survival game, i think you lose some of the magic if you start controlling how people act through incentives

[outer sphinx]

the isle compared to the major survival genre is working on a whole dif basis, that this is an ecosystem not just a rag tag group of people trying to survive who knows where

[echo tiger]

Like for example, you're a utah and you dont need to hunt a rex, but you do it anyway because it's baring down on your other utah buddies and it's a good food source for the rest of your squad, you lose alot but you bring it down eventually in a pyrrhic victory sorta way.

If theres incentives put against that then you're gonna fuck yourself in the long run since thats not what you're meant to be doing.

[outer sphinx]

and theres a reward for smth that could only be equivalent to absolute foolishness but the reward is there if you succeed

this is a way to influence player behaviour, rewards, its hard but not impossible, a true test of skill and patience with a reward worth while for the bold, when you start getting into bad player behaviour influence is when you make it an impossible fight no matter what (like you do no damage to rex etc) you may be bold but then there is no reward nor victory in return for your bold action

this is what i mean by influencing player behaviour, sometimes people nor devs even realise they are doing it but its there in any game

[echo tiger]

Idk man i guess it just depends how the incentivise good boy behaviour and what sorta shit you get given for it, i'm still dubious on it all.

[outer sphinx]

playing how you want has like only 1 punishment (outside of growth if you dont even do diets etc), and thats canibalizing and the huge debufs you get from that but if you manage to get 1 nutrient and not canibalize, the bare minimum to the intended way, you have 0 punishment other than just longer growth

[paper oriole]

What adult deino is struggling against tenonto lmao

[tight oxide]

Thats possible? LMAO

[paper oriole]

Nvm it's tenoto, a fearsome mythical creature i have yet to see

[outer sphinx]

did their rmb break or smth?

literally just picks up teno

[paper oriole]

Maybe they got attacked while lugging their fat gator ass across the plains to oasis and forgot how to alt bite

[tight oxide]

Maybe teno commited get gud

[paper oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-adapt-git-gud-skill-issue-gif-23598192

[tight oxide]

Ngl ava should be a treat to the small side of roster

[paper oriole]

Warthog ava

[tight oxide]

Boar vs ava when

[paper oriole]

Boar vs ava the most fearsome isle matchup. Clash if titans

[tight oxide]

Me on my way as ava to kill every juvie on sight

[paper oriole]

Me on my way to wipe out every pig on the island and taking over their niche

[tight oxide]

Me on my way as utah to make sure every herrera gets over taken

[paper oriole]

Hey. Herrera master race

[tight oxide]

Nah man its clearly magy

Legit gonna clap giga and spino and rex

[paper oriole]

Magy's bones will pave my road to supremacy

[tight oxide]

Nah man you cant out run my boy magy who is faster than allo

And plus i taste bad

Gonna stop kos for sure

[paper oriole]

You just gotta dodge their sea cucumber spray so they dont blow you up

[tight oxide]

Ngl

If we gave every dino magys crazy changes

Then solo utah might be viable

Lmao

[paper oriole]

Solo utah is viable its just a lowkey lame small game hunter when its alone

[tight oxide]

55n still too small...

Does legit nothing...

[paper oriole]

I rarely join packs because theyre always full of idiots. Legit the last time i joined a pack they saw a tenonto, the leader simply says “tenonto” and ran to it and got oneshot by tail slam, then they each ran in a line one by one and got the same treatment

“Tenonto” was the only word spoken

[tight oxide]

Bro my pack legit all rushed in causing everyone to pounce each other and die to stego

[paper oriole]

Lmfao

[tight oxide]

Legit i said 4 at a time

Then my 20 utah pack caused 5 to die

[paper oriole]

Utah packs are cursed experiments 90% of the time i felt like i was watching ai

[tight oxide]

Bro this is why we need sandbox

So utahs can practice

Legit utah is great when get good

[paper oriole]

Yeah rn all there is is the cringe clan private servers

[tight oxide]

The zoo is ok

But besides that everything else died

[paper oriole]

The zoo is ear cancer

[tight oxide]

The zoo is free grows so i use it to practice

[paper oriole]

I cant stand the literal nonstop carno broadcast spam

[tight oxide]

Didnt devs try to stop that in update 1 Lmao

[paper oriole]

They failed lol

[tight oxide]

Legit made spam calling cause voice to go silent

It worked and stopped working in update 2

[paper oriole]

In the zoo its like nonstop carno groups spam calling at eachother, stegos and deinos arent too far behind in that offense

[tight oxide]

75n utah when

[paper oriole]

I wish their pounce had more variety to it

[tight oxide]

Nah second are utahs when they grow balls

[tight oxide]

Pounce should def be expanded on

Like more pouncers on one target causes target to slow down

Not a fan on seeing pachy run full speed while 2 fg utahs are pouncing it

[paper oriole]

Different latch points that work better or worse on different animals, a kickoff pounce that is a faster damage applicant. Maybe a dragons dogma type movement system when the bigger animals come

[tight oxide]

How about

Letting pouncers switch sides of a dinos rib

[paper oriole]

Would be funny to see a utah climbing up a brachi even if it was hopeless lol

[tight oxide]

To lets say avoid a tree

Or avoid a 3rd party hit

[paper oriole]

I could see that at a stam cost yeah

[tight oxide]

Like you go over the dinos back

[tight oxide]

Maybe 10% of stam?

Since pounce already big cost

[paper oriole]

Idk maybe

[tight oxide]

Pounce needs more skill on some parts

Like even just holding on to grace against bucking

Utah pounce could be made so fun that devs have no idea...

[paper oriole]

If pounce got a whole rework and expansion the stam costs across the board would probably be re-evaluated to account for those changes, including counter changes like smashing a raptor against a rock

[tight oxide]

I wouldnt mind

As long as i can do more things while pouncing

I think bucking should have counter play on utah side

[tight oxide]

Also if we can smash raptors against walls

They should fix hitting through walls

[paper oriole]

Bucking and pouncing should be a more engaging system yeah

[tight oxide]

Like no more stego hitting through trees

[paper oriole]

Trees should reduce or nullify attacks depending on their size so forests are sort of a tradeoff of defense

[tight oxide]

Plus pin is getting counter play

I HAVE IDEA FOR HYPSI!

when it gets pined it should be able to spit on pinner

[tight oxide]

I think just make the attack stop at the tree when ik system comes

[manic flint]

That's smart
But when it gets pinned it's on its stomach

[green bough]

I'm making my voice from a small community..

1. The updates are "Rolling out dead slow" request to devs to recruit people and get EVRIMA to full release.
2. Of course there is progress which is nice, but there are so many things which are not up to the mark. Like NVIDIA DLSS and other graphics things dont work or when enabled you can see heavy blur when the Dino moves the neck.

We know the devs are doing their best. But we as a community seriously expect a little pace. Peace

[paper oriole]

Not sure how that would help it unless it artificially causes the attacker to cringe away and lift their foot lol

[tight oxide]

Just spit

No realsm needed on something weak as hypsi

Imo

[manic flint]

You don't need to paste it into the discussion channel mate

[manic flint]

They could change the the pin animation

[tight oxide]

I agree but tons of ppl already said that lol

[green bough]

I know

[paper oriole]

He pasted in in 3 channels and not even the right channel

[tight oxide]

They will for utah so who knows

[tight oxide]

[manic flint]

Why in balance feedback

[tight oxide]

[paper oriole]

Who knows lmao

[tight oxide]

We shall never know

[manic flint]

Oop
It's gone

[tight oxide]

Prob too hellbent on saying stuff 90% of the community knows

I wonder why we dont get patches for bugs much tbh

[manic flint]

They like to do big update dumps
Not little patches

[tight oxide]

Its clear people like smaller updates over time

[paper oriole]

Which is a shame since they often break more stuff with each fix

[tight oxide]

Plus 5gb per update is hurrr

My game legit said 1 year for update 3 lmao

[paper oriole]

My last update took a couple or few hours i dont even remember cus i went and watched a whole ass podcast while waiting for it

[tight oxide]

Yup its needed...

Smaller patches over time

Over giant updates that get patches later

[paper oriole]

I feel like i am reinstalling the whole game each time

[tight oxide]

EXACTLY

[paper oriole]

It took about just as much time to reinstall ark as it did to update the isle

[tight oxide]

Im legit think how many things did they add

[tight oxide]

I thought i was only one to wait 10 years for ark to download

[paper oriole]

Ark is a phat file

[tight oxide]

But fr can we talk about some pounce changes

Its low key boring...

[paper oriole]

Yeah utah is a one trick pony rn

[tight oxide]

If utah wont get stats changes then improve its main ability

And doesnt help dealing with packs tbh

99% you will find a dino with a friend

That will smack you off

[warm flame]

@green bough that sad moment when the only person who agrees with you is yourself

[manic flint]

Lmao

[green bough]

I'm talking from a 42 member community LMAO.. You give it time to see.. That sad moment you see after sometime and then you realize

😹

[manic flint]

A 42 member community in a server with thousands of people that doesn't change much

[tough comet]

It actually does! What he says has got a point mate!

[manic flint]

I'm not saying he doesn't have a point or anything

[tough comet]

Ultimately you are laughing for nothing.. he’s just making his community point

[manic flint]

But that is all kinda common knowledge

Also I was laughing at the fact he upvoted his own post

I'm not saying I wouldnt like faster updates

[warm flame]

yeah same

[manic flint]

It just looks bad and I find it humourous

[green bough]

Upvoting option is for the people who are lazy to just find it and select

[tough comet]

Agreed lmao

[warm flame]

so then why didn't you also add a downvote for people

you added 4 upvoting options and 0 downvotes

[manic flint]

You did it 4 times
I can pass on 1 check mark but like come on

[warm flame]

I get that naush wants the game to progress faster, but at the same time it's all pretty expensive, iirc dondi said that each dinosaur costs $7k to make, imagine how much would be spent if they got more devs

[green bough]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-gif-10188678

[tough comet]

I’m with you dude. I agree what you have said

[green bough]

Thanks

[tough comet]

It’s expensive so , at the moment it’s just a small team who’s working. But I get your point on graphics, the blur thingy

[tight oxide]

Well...

I just posted my final utah suggestion

[warm flame]

what's ironic is the devs say that performance is priority but without using Geforce NOW I only get 8 fps whatever my settings are at

[tight oxide]

Bro i legit had to change some files for even lower settings LMAO

[tough comet]

I think that’s what Naush is vocal about.. I’m sure many of us have these concerns..

[tight oxide]

Lets me get 30 fps with mobile 1650 gtx

[green bough]

ooh

[warm flame]

that's what their second piece of feedback in their message was, the first was speeding up development

[tough comet]

I have 2 3090 on sli but I still get the blur thing on neck and body of what Naush mentioned

[tight oxide]

Rip

[green bough]

[tight oxide]

Evrima might get wayy more players when it reaches its performance promise

[tough comet]

Yea

[tight oxide]

Which was to be easier to run than legacy

[icy lion]

Sadly the DLSS issue is caused by the plugin itself, and there's not much the devs can do on their end

[tight oxide]

[icy lion]

I've heard that manually downloading and installing an updated version can help the issue, but I haven't tried it myself as I don't have a card capable of using DLSS

[tight oxide]

Could it work with gfn

[icy lion]

No clue

[tight oxide]

I think gfn gets your game files sooo...

[icy lion]

GFN is also notorious for having issues with beta branches

[tight oxide]

I cant even use gfn the isle since new bug

[green bough]

ive tried with DLSS.. It just makes it blurry.. Better to turn it off

[icy lion]

Yes, that is the current issue

[tough comet]

Yes

Do the devs know about this?

[green bough]

Im pretty sure they do..

[icy lion]

They are aware

You can also help the process by reporting bugs and issues you find in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[tough comet]

Ok

[edgy harbor]

@tight oxide I feel like making a channel just for this idea is redundant. This is assuming people will read and pay attention to what the devs already know about and not post any comments about said bugs based off that information.

I've personally found this proven false over and over. We can pin, change channel descriptions, throw any kind of message in people's face. And it would still go unread. Already having to check all the community found bugs and issues and push them to Hypno and QA for them to be filtered out is already a very deep and involved process. Adding another step to that at the end and having to verify if QA or developers know if any given issue is known is just extra work tacked on with no real benefit in my opinion. Yes some people get the peace of mind the developers know a bug exists. But that peace of mind should already come with posting a bug report.

[barren zephyr]

we use to have a spreadsheet with it all

but it's not easy because people would post redundant bug reports

[tepid gate]

I think it was more so about having a list of bugs that the community reported so far be publicly available again. That used to be a thing until one day the channel with the list just disappeared into thin air for seemingly no reason.

I even asked Punch about why that happened and if we're going to get it back but I think he forgot to get back to me with this since he said he'd have to ask Hypno.

And yes - I did read and pay attention to all the bugs that were posted there so as not to make that list more of a mess by posting redundant reports of bugs that were already known.

Matter of fact in pretty much every project that involves the community a bug report list is typically available publicly outlining which bugs are known and what their status is. I wouldn't even ask about the second part but knowing what bugs the devs are aware of/have been reported would be the bare minimum.

[barren zephyr]

Male courtship snapping it's neck i mean like cmon really they can do better than that lol

[vale flare]

Its still subject to change

[barren zephyr]

granted i know it's wip but seeing how it's first attempt im sure she would've noticed how it snapped it's neck in 1 second

[steep swallow]

It'd be nice if the male reared up like the sniff, then slowly threw up its neck and puffed out its neck

[limber hull]

i dont think it looks like its snapping its neck, it just looks a wee bit fast

[finite tiger]

I think it was too fast and too sudden, maybe slow it down a little and lower the angle a tiny bit

[velvet mango]

We can all agree that the male teno courting animation is just.. odd. He breaks his neck and shoots his leg backwards so fast and I’m not sure why?? It def needs a rework. On the other hand, the female teno courting animation is good, but reminds me of a more sniffing animation. I also feel like their noises to each other should be more “curious/interested” but I think that’s just me going insane let me know you’re feedback as I personally love teno as a dino

[barren zephyr]

Just sarcasm

it just pulled it's neck up so fast

[barren zephyr]

It's work in progress so i'm just surprised that The Isle Animation team left it like that as first attempt

[velvet mango]

Yes that’s also what has me confused. I know it’s subject to change but that is what we first get.. I’m a little.. shocked lol

[candid schooner]

i just died for the fifth time as a 50% carno, this time because i got stuck inbetween two trees. i legitimately could not move. this game is such a waste of time :/

and i say this as i continue to get right back into growing lol

[velvet mango]

I try not to dabble with forests too much right now because of possible bugs lol but I understand the frustration. So many times I’ve lost my full grown teno to a random, invisible cliff that I just run off of

[candid schooner]

yeah i should do the same i guess

[barren zephyr]

In my opinion bug reporting would be better if it would happen within the actual discord channel with an already set up format that you only need to copy and fill. Atleast you could search back and know the bug was already reported or not. I understand the current way is more moderator friendly and probably filters a few idiotic report but still.

[paper oriole]

@junior monolith did you catch and swallow the whole fish? that causes you to overfeed as a fresh spawn ptera. ptera has no preferred food as juvenile, just like every other animal on the carnivore faction

it is pretty stupid that they made swallowing whole foods immediately screw over fresh spawns, you have to drop the fish and eat from it off thr ground

currently any edible food will give you all dietary bonuses while you're a juvie carnivore until you hit subadult

[echo tiger]

Alright after many re-edits my suggestion is posted

i just woke up and it came to mind

[limber hull]

@lament pecan it is update 5

nesting and skins

[lament pecan]

Ayyy

[icy lion]

#roadmap-updates

[lavish quail]

Teno looking goofy man

I guess that’s one way to add a suicide button

[valid zephyr]

@lament pecan I'm hoping stego gets dimorphism... but not like that. That's just a male with melted in half plates.

[violet magnet]

female stego = kentro without the shoulder spikes

[valid zephyr]

Female having sharper and thinner plates.

[violet magnet]

yes i know
it was a joke

[keen isle]

@junior monolith juvi carnivores dont have prefered diets, everything fill up their belly and the diet meters (whatever those are called), when the creature reaches subadult (50%) the prefered food is visible

also as a fresh juvi ptera you cant eat a fish whole, after you catch it you have to drop it and eat it like a carcas

[echo tiger]

Stressing the developers out? it's been 7 years almost and we have the equivalent of a tech demo.

its perfectly reasonable to want new content instead of mechanics at this point in time.

[lament pecan]

@valid zephyr I'd rather suggest heavily decreasing the tailswing power when in water, rather than completely disabling it. For example when Stego is deep enough in water to move slower already, decrease the tailswing force by 33-50%

It will still take away Stego's ability to easily bully Deinos, even when in belly deep water, but it won't be too ridicolous

[lavish quail]

That neck is not ok

[zinc rivet]

@tepid river that's already planned for the Gore update

@junior monolith Carnivores don't have a specific diet until they reach subadult. Before 50% all meat they eat (except for from their own kind if they're unable to cannibalize) goes towards all three nutrients. Past 50% is when they get their specific diet.

For Pteranodon, you simply don't have enough room in your stomach for swallowing fish whole. You have to set it down and manually eat it.

[ashen wasp]

See, the neck POSITION isn’t even unreasonable (Tenonto’s got more cervical vertebrae than us)— it’s just the speed at which the head snaps backwards that looks jarring and painful

[stray holly]

https://tenor.com/view/this-up-gif-8606566

[ashen wasp]

Like in theory the animation isn’t a bad one. Tenonto’s showing off its sweet kicks and tail slam. It just needs to be… smoother. More polished.

Give more windup to the kick, let the neck pulling back be gentle instead of sudden, maybe give the tail more horizontal movement so the female can actually see it from her angle

[limber hull]

the neck looks fine, even natural, it's just the speed

[brittle stirrup]

i just....i dont know if i like the courting dance

i like the females well enough, the males feels....odd on what it suppose to be conveying? for me a courting dance needs to highlight what that dinosaurs good at, i liked the energy of the kick tho it did look a little odd with the speed, i agree with dusttalon that it needs to become polished hopefully more, i wanna kind of see mating dances have a step basis, timed to a beat almost, teno lifts takes a step and then kicks out to show off its impressive leg strength and then a tail slam following it with finally a standing up or something for its final pose

i think the calls shouldnt be done during the dance, in my personal experience i find its more effective to do a call before u dance to say "look at me look at me" and then do the dance

[warm flame]

imagine how far it'd go back if you turned your camera up while doing this

[lavish quail]

I think your insane

[limber hull]

good

[lavish quail]

Not even a little overkill for you? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423939730544132096/933678019392995378/IMG_1790.png

[limber hull]

the animal's neck looks fine in that position honestly

its the speed it reaches

[lavish quail]

I’m really disappointed that only teno gets a suicide button

I would of thought they would give it to every Dino

[limber hull]

i give you no points for that joke

[lavish quail]

I might add a snapping sound to that it might be more persuading

[lavish quail]

That was great though

[limber hull]

it seriously just looks too fast

[lavish quail]

[limber hull]

i think that's the only issue

[lavish quail]

It’s really fast

Also the angle just doesn’t look right to me

I’m gonna do it I’m adding a neck break sound effect

[limber hull]

@orchid crescent most of the water in the game is flowing rivers or water sources connected to rivers. There's very few actual water sources that'd be stagnant enough to cause these issues

[stray holly]

Swamp and Oasis would be the only places

[limber hull]

basically, yea

also wouldn't that system suck for say, deinos?

or really any semi-aquatic

[orchid crescent]

And the fact that there are 60% of all players, does it bother you?!

[lavish quail]

I’ve done it

Neck snap

Probably bad timing I’m on a public bus and I don’t want people to think I’m watching necks being snapped

Also @lament pecan the problem is more so the map the map than the diets

They do kinda suck though

Only because their a chore

[paper oriole]

Path of Titans water pollution mechanic why would anyone want that in the isle

[lavish quail]

To suffer more it’s the isle

Because the more pain the better.

[warm flame]

so basically, the isle players are masochists

[lavish quail]

The isle

You won’t survive it

[paper oriole]

Also this sounds horrid

Isle players really are masochists huh

[lavish quail]

Know what else sounds horrid

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423939730544132096/933749033451786240/FinalVideo_1642693430.069933.mov

[paper oriole]

He was just cracking his stiff neck after a long nap dont worry

[lavish quail]

That’s enough of Me posting that here for a while

[valid zephyr]

[barren zephyr]

Yes you need a male and a female to nest

[lavish quail]

This one ain’t mine

[outer sphinx]

now stealing from people who stole, shame on you

[lavish quail]

Hey that’s my thing

I find a meme I steal it

Making more now though

[outer sphinx]

only if you could steal your own stuff

[lavish quail]

Nextttt

Am I getting my point through here?

He does look like his neck is not there

[orchid crescent]

@crude cape Deinosuchus will become an apex predator with the release of other apexes

[crude cape]

the apexes dwarf it in size

[lavish quail]

I mean

It will it’s got lunge. Map just sucks

The only aquatic threat to it really is spino

I mean depends how heavy it is

If it’s less than 4 tons then he being grabbed

[orchid crescent]

Now it is 6 meters, but with the release of the apexes, it will be made 12 meters, thereby it will become larger and even be able to drag a stegosaurus under water!

xD

[lavish quail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/933763160916234280/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/933763289391984710/C494EB90-4B7B-4F93-AA82-7313F4772CD0.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/933763029072478228/4E82E356-1601-4247-AA88-F7F476E424F9.jpg

[outer sphinx]

deino is 8t and allo is prob gonna be at most 3t, so allo is fucked

[barren zephyr]

Nah at most it'll be 5 tons or 4

[outer sphinx]

def not, allos heaviest estimates are like 2.8 so 3t at most upscaling

[barren zephyr]

I just doubt the devs will allow the deino to lunge at an allo considering deino mouth won't fit on the allo body

[outer sphinx]

with how many mechanics work rn in terms of models and animations there is no debate that deino will grab allo (i was refering to pounce btw there)

[echo tiger]

Deino will absolutely be able to lunge and grab an Allo, why wouldn't it

Thats if the allo is stupid enough to let it happen that is

[tight oxide]

But lunge is weight based

[icy lion]

How wouldn't a deino's mouth fit on an allo?

Deino's huge

[barren zephyr]

Allo body too wide

Maybe on the neck

[icy lion]

Not at all

[echo tiger]

Bro thats not how it works mechanically though.

[barren zephyr]

The isle is going for realism it's weight based but they need to make it a little more realistic too

[echo tiger]

Droughts would give deino some fucking much needed leverage but it still doesnt change the fact that it's a fundamentally badly designed playable

[barren zephyr]

Maybe they'll have a different animation where it heads for the neck

[icy lion]

https://i.imgur.com/b3XZXMW_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

Aw man is that not gonna embed

[echo tiger]

Bro. Its an 8 tonne crocodile. Allo is 2.3 - 3.1 tonne at higher estimates

[icy lion]

Ome minute

[icy lion]

Ty

[barren zephyr]

it's not clear i can't read the text

[icy lion]

Fuck

Gimme a few

[barren zephyr]

what was stego current weight before

What was stego legacy weight 4 tons?

[echo tiger]

Yeah

[barren zephyr]

Ok there you go ofc it wouldn't make sense because stego is too wide that goes the same for Allo

[echo tiger]

Even though they're going to upscale stego since it is the smallest apex of the bunch by atleast a tonne probably.

[barren zephyr]

Allo is literally too wide for deino mouth

for him to lunge

[echo tiger]

But you cant balance shit based on WIDE

[barren zephyr]

Yea maybe they will change animation

[echo tiger]

That's not a balanceable factor, i can sacrifice realism for the sake of gameplay.

It should two shot a stego to the head for sure

[barren zephyr]

There are other options other than allo for deino to catch

[echo tiger]

But why the exception? you have a system that works here.

Why specifically allo other than it's too wide, which makes no fucking sense for balancing

Nothing should be immune for the sake of wideness, that's dumb, you could make the argument that carno is too tall, its legs too powerful, its body too bulky (which it is since the model clips through the top of a deino's jaw)

[barren zephyr]

It's just how The Isle works they are heading for realism

[echo tiger]

Yes, and look how well it's working out

[barren zephyr]

They will change it's weight or give it a new animation where it target the neck and drag it

[echo tiger]

you have stegos waltzing into water up to their knees to smack deinos, you have ptera flying like its a fucking bird, you have hypsi being able to jump 20 ft in the air, you have carno being unable to jump at all.

Realistic btw.

[barren zephyr]

Whats unrealistic about carno not being to jump or ptera flying

[echo tiger]

Pteranodon didn't fly like that at all, they flew in a very different manner owing to the way the wing membranes were connected and their bone structure

[outer sphinx]

running takeoff

[echo tiger]

Carno should be able to jump given it's musculature and the fact that it was very light boned for it's size, as well as the joints in the knees and thigh being reinforced with extra muscle attachments which could have allowed for it to have the range of motion to jump.

[barren zephyr]

I find it hilarious carno players just jumping around when fighting

[echo tiger]

And theres strong evidence it hunted pterasaurs too.

[barren zephyr]

Yea maybe using neck and moving it's body up to give more height

[echo tiger]

... and jumping...

[barren zephyr]

or getting them while they are drinking or eating

[echo tiger]

It looks ridiculous but thats what it did for realism

Do we want a fucking jumping carno in game? OFC not.

[frozen karma]

Even though it may be realistic I do agree it would be weird to see a carnot jump around in a fight

[echo tiger]

It would be cool but not balanced at all.

[outer sphinx]

holly shit, cherry is heavier than stego

[icy lion]

Well of course

[barren zephyr]

It would be weird just carno jumping around in a fight lol

[outer sphinx]

ye idk why i just never realised that lol

[barren zephyr]

Sure it might be realistic but nah i like how carno the way it is now by not being able to jump

[echo tiger]

Well there we go, i like deino not being a locked out of grabbing an allo for the sake of it being too wide.

[icy lion]

Especially when it isn't too wide

[echo tiger]

Even if it grabs the neck, its wasted time for TLC which can be done at a later date. It's silly to do this now when they barely are pushing out mechanics

[icy lion]

Deino looks fine when grabbing a 4T stego which is a fatty

[outer sphinx]

we already have attacks like pounce that dont line up with any model outside of the template one

[manic flint]

They better make sucho > 4 tons so it doesn't get invalidated by dieno

All mid tiers and below either face instant death or a spinosaurid in the shallows

Allo 100% gets killed by deino Allo isn't even wide

[low canopy]

root of the problem is lunge being just unfun mechanic to play against

[outer sphinx]

pretty sure sucho is 4.2t

[manic flint]

The size charts ain't official :(

[echo tiger]

Thats also why deino is a fucking badly designed playable.

Map and 1 hit attacks with no fucking counterplay, and it's not like you can drown a semi-aquatic either.

You'll run out of stamina before you do.

[manic flint]

But dragging one into a gaggle of other deinos will seal it's fate
Deino is just poorly designed period

If they replaced lunge with a tug of war and your friends could save you, then it would be a decent animal

[echo tiger]

I dont know what the fuck people are expecting. Its a fucking over-sized crocodile THAT DOES NOT interact with the rest of the playables in any meaningful way.

What the fuck is the point, its like ptera.

Except Ptera is actively used as a scout.

[manic flint]

Having a playable crocodile or small pterasaur is a waste imo

They barely interact with other animals so why have them

[low canopy]

i'm a bit concerned if herra gets reduced to AI feeder too

[outer sphinx]

ptera nesting would force it to interact with climbers

[echo tiger]

"interact"

Whats it gonna do? it cant fight for shit

[manic flint]

Climbers being.... Herrara and maybe utah

[outer sphinx]

maybe if it pesk enough it can make them fall or use more stam

[echo tiger]

If something wants those babies dead then it's going to kill them.

[manic flint]

Wth are they going to do to it tho

Just having Quetz would be better cause at least it can kill juvies and stuff

[echo tiger]

Herra actually has the climbing niche and it'll give Hypsi something to do, but they better not make hypsi faster than herra.

Atleast whilst climbing

[manic flint]

Ptera does jack shit

[echo tiger]

I saw something about Ramphoryncus having a parasite niche which would be WAAY more interesting than ptera.

Like a vampire bat

[manic flint]

Remember that one scene from planet dinosaur where the microraptor was a better glider than its predator, but a worse runner? If they did something similar with hypsi and herarra that would be cool

[echo tiger]

Yeah!

Sinornithosaurus i think was the pred in that scenario

"Venom btw "

[manic flint]

Herarra is the better climber but hypsi is a better sprinter

Would be sick

[echo tiger]

That would make nesting more compelling for hypsis and it'll be fucking fun as shit chasing hypsis as a herra, im genuinely excited for that dinosaur since it's my favourite.

[manic flint]

But going onto the ground is a bad idea cause of the rest of the cast
Chases in the trees sound amazing
And I hope that baby megalania are able to climb

[echo tiger]

I think Megalania is another dogshit playable.

It's a mid-tier in a world of dinosaurs, they're not adapted for the same niches

[outer sphinx]

it def has a dogshit model

[manic flint]

It's probably gonna get bodied

[echo tiger]

Like what the fuck is the point of adding cenozoic animals

Keep to the fucking lane and just focus on dinosaurs, they're not comparable.

[manic flint]

But it has anti-coagulant venom guys!11!

[echo tiger]

troodon and dilo exist and dilo is prolly much bigger than megalania

[manic flint]

Yea meg is a bad idea

So is pachyrhino imo, too close to both styraco and trike

[echo tiger]

A cool niche:

Crylopho, a Nocturnal Climber

[manic flint]

Yoooo

[echo tiger]

Or give that to mono

[outer sphinx]

dilo is 700, mega is 1t

[manic flint]

Well we need more climbers period

[echo tiger]

Fair enough.

[manic flint]

Mono should be a bloodhound doesn't look like it could climb

[outer sphinx]

pachy uses fractures, its inherently dif from every other ceratopsian

[manic flint]

Ig so

[echo tiger]

It plays the same.

You left click, the shit you hit dies.

All of them will have a charge attack on their RMB

[outer sphinx]

if you downplay all the mechanics and character to this bs then 99% of the roster is useless

[manic flint]

They 100% said the special abilities of animals will all be different

[outer sphinx]

proceed to give burrow to 7 playables

[echo tiger]

But they're all ceratopsians? how fucking different do you want to make them?

Pachyrhino could have a parry shield head ig, where it can reposte incoming attacks at significant cost to their turn speed

But what of styraco? and Trike?

[manic flint]

Burrow isn't a special ability imo it's just a playstyle
If the gimmick is just burrowing that's stupid

[outer sphinx]

styraco and dibble are the only ones that serve the same role in almost the same class, trike is huge, rhino uses fractures instead of impaling, proto has burrow and a strong as beak

then we have ava and taco...

[manic flint]

Taco porcupine

Ava bad

[echo tiger]

Trike is huge but plays the same as styraco and dibble, Rhino is just a smaller and weaker trike and it'll get munched by apexes and proto is just...

wow.

I dont have very much hope for the diversity of the animals in the game since they've already given charges to 2 animals, its just 1 has a better charge than the other.

[manic flint]

Idk how they will differentiate proto from ava all that much

[outer sphinx]

you dumb down every dif mechanics, diferentiator factor and dont take regard of huge weight class dif, oh wow 99% of the roster is just a weaker apex, remove all of them

[echo tiger]

What fucking mechanics other than muh fracture?

[outer sphinx]

proto has burrow and at least doesnt use horns and may have fracture

[manic flint]

The charges work quite differently

[manic flint]

Ava also has burrow

[echo tiger]

Yeah, but one is better than the other flat out because of it.

[outer sphinx]

whats muh dif from bleed and fracture and big damage, none ofc

[echo tiger]

How do we know there aren't going to be similar cases of this same shit.

[outer sphinx]

and thats all...

[manic flint]

They are too similar imo
You can easily remove ava and styraco

[outer sphinx]

or dibble but thats most subjective/preference than anything

[echo tiger]

You have carno that is a fucking B-52 bomber when it charges and needs to get 3 seconds of run time before charging, it knocks down and does a fuck tonne of damage and stuns, Pachy can instantly charge and stunlock its opponents whilst also doing alot of damage and fracture the shit out of everything until it dies

[manic flint]

Dibble is getting downsized I think

[echo tiger]

How do they suppose they're going to give a niche or unique thing to 56 playables

[gray loom]

@dense sable bro wym besides stego carno is the best in the game rn 😂

[outer sphinx]

its 1200, also its more getting back to what its irl weight actually is

[outer sphinx]

you just take out a lot more, carno is the fastest animal in the game, pachy has fractures, one is supposed to be a defensive small powerhouse and the other is a torpedo on legs, yes bc if it does damage and knocks/stuns its just the same

this shit was the same points Nacen had when i had this discussion last time and they are very much flawed

[low canopy]

not every animal needs to be unique, especially since you can define that in what way you see fit
what matters more in my opinion is if playable actually interacts with rest of the roster or is just taking server slots ( do note that if we had bigger server pops even this would not be an issue to me )

[tepid gate]

^

I don't care for unique mechanics on each animal

[outer sphinx]

a lot will also get semi fictionalized like herrera to make them good (hope plateo gets the same bc its fucked other way)

[tepid gate]

The stats can make them different enough as far as I'm concerned

[manic flint]

That's fair

The matchups are more important I suppose

[echo tiger]

If they go the fictionalization route for stuff then that's good enough ig

But then they shouldn't focus on hyper realism like they are then, it'll just be goofy that way

[outer sphinx]

how the play is what matters, they can share mechanics for all i care as long as they play totaly dif from one another

[outer sphinx]

and herra shows for that, and utah... ig...

[echo tiger]

Not utah

[outer sphinx]

and hypsi... maggy

[echo tiger]

magy niche

[outer sphinx]

compared to irl this is heavily fictionalized but ye

[manic flint]

Magy niche sounds pretty cool

[echo tiger]

I mean they're replacing the fucking utah already with a realistic one

[icy lion]

Not replaced

[manic flint]

No they ain't replacing

[outer sphinx]

this one is getting renamed and we will get an irl accurate utah too

[echo tiger]

Well whatever they're doing

[manic flint]

They are just adding irl utah

[echo tiger]

They're renaming it yeah

[icy lion]

Utah is getting renamed and irl utah is getting added, as it's a dev pick

[manic flint]

So 57 playables

Utah and not utah

[outer sphinx]

untill it gets a name lets just call it novaraptor

[echo tiger]

I would fucking like it if they made some fictional creatures too

[manic flint]

I'm going to call it novaraptor even when it gets a name

[echo tiger]

This fucking company is a bioengineering company that made strains and other strain creatures ffs

It would be ridiculous but they might as well, they have pteras flying like birds afterall

[manic flint]

Hypos and stuff

[outer sphinx]

imagine the confusion for the 2 novas here in game and a teammate just say nova pack on me

[manic flint]

What do ya think they'll call it

[echo tiger]

indominousuwukillerxx

[outer sphinx]

heard apolloraptor said a bit, i like that one

i mean said like in the community not the devs

[manic flint]

Cause of the name of the company?

Makes sense

[outer sphinx]

they also could just go monitor naming way

awes7ui8otgyhjqawszeq6yu78otg-saet67

[manic flint]

They better not name it a Greek letter

No alpharaptor or Omegaraptor or πraptor please

[outer sphinx]

imagine its sigmaraptor

[manic flint]

No
I've had enough of that
In math and in memes

[outer sphinx]

honestly each day i just want to get the split roster idea, well more exactly smth like this https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/885026544689492018/933047823526662176

[signal beacon]

Apolloraptor sounds cool. Not to edgy but still a cool name that can be said easily

At least it's not shadowraptor or something

[outer sphinx]

shaderaptor...

[signal beacon]

Deathraptor

[urban flax]

I prefer goblinraptor

[outer sphinx]

no thats troos nickname

[tight oxide]

Ohioraptor

[outer condor]

Yoooo

[tight oxide]

Would be nice if admins/mods/devs pinned the suggestions they like

Would help for people to feel like their suggestions are being heard

[lavish quail]

Idahoraptor

[tight oxide]

Suicideraptor

[lavish quail]

I’ll one up you

Suicide egg

[tight oxide]

Ill one up you

Spawn camping

[lavish quail]

@craggy charm

[craggy charm]

LOL

[lavish quail]

I have so much more

Just can’t share cause flood

[craggy charm]

it looks like its tryna pop his neck

[stark dust]

rename the utah to bob

[drifting cape]

gabriele xD

[turbid cape]

lol polskaKrowa, I thought that if aquatics need to cross something like ''shallows'' to go from one zone to the other of the map...

what about terrestrials... this will also give huge opportunities to deinos for successful ambushes, since the don't need to drink and their food decay is well over one hour

in between the 2 potable water zones, there is this kind of muddy ''river'' that will give terrestrials water at a great risk - if they wanna go from one area to the other, and put at a huge advantage aquatic playables and Deino (atm) above all because it relies on the lunge - which currently is possible to do it, but only if the terrestrial player is doing crazy shenanigans..

[drifting cape]

@turbid cape Yeah thats a good idea. Since deinos are so boring right now lol, gotta get something to do.

[echo tiger]

Passive bleed is a bad idea

[outer sphinx]

hiting kentro you get damaged back, literally the most usefull tool you can have, maggy should have smth similar

well kentro is also very anti pounce but anyway

but he may also have meant base bleed which is pretty shit so ehh

[lavish quail]

Lul imagine snapping a kentro spike of its back and using it as a dagger

[outer sphinx]

pachy will do the first part of that, now for a pesky human do do the second

[manic flint]

Kentro should essentially instant kill a pouncing Utah if it hits the spikes, it should be very damaging to hit a kentro anywhere but the side and the head

Attacking a kentro should require an ambush or you being small enough to avoid the spikes
So kentro will be threatened by ambushes and packs of troodons

[outer sphinx]

more back side of the side you mean

[manic flint]

Back side or the side spike yea
It should absolutely mutilate a utah

[outer sphinx]

back side shouldnt as it has no spike there but its more dangerous bc its closer to the tail

[manic flint]

Wrong one
Lemme find it

I can't find it

[outer sphinx]

which image?

[manic flint]

But kentro is pretty short

So a pounce to the back would land on the back spikes no?

[manic flint]

The size chart with kentro

Of the small tiers

[outer sphinx]

well this is the small tiers one

another one very similar too

[manic flint]

The pseudo mids? Idr what it's called anymore
Point is kentro is short so a pounce to the back should impale a utah

[outer sphinx]

this?

[manic flint]

Yes that one

[outer sphinx]

i mean, pouncing the backside shouldnt insta kill bc it has no spike, and also btw i mean the hind leg section, but its closer to the tail so theres the risk

and models clash from time to time as it is with most games

[manic flint]

*when I say backside I mean directly behind it, so the tail
Utah could pounce it's leg tho

[outer sphinx]

ye, just a misunderstanding lel, if it pounces from the back it should die without a shadow of a dobut

[manic flint]

Yea
Utah should refrain from pouncing unless it has an ambush

[outer sphinx]

stego and kentro in general are very anti utah so it should never want to even see one in general

[signal beacon]

Kentro will be like a vegan honey badger hopefully. Just refusing to move for anything other than an apex or similar.

And being mean as hell

[manic flint]

Kentro more than stego cause it is smaller of a target

I hope kentro is agile

At least somewhat

[signal beacon]

Utah just doesn't do well against smalls

[manic flint]

*That it can't pin

[outer sphinx]

still, both have kits that revolve around flank watching, the opposite of what utah wants

[manic flint]

Yea

Thoughts on kentro v carno?

[signal beacon]

Ceratopsids will get bullied by utahs probably

[manic flint]

Definitely

[outer sphinx]

when it cant pin it you need more utahs, thats how it should be balanced, also the number needed cant be to outlandish depending on the target cough pachy cough

[outer sphinx]

poor ava...

[signal beacon]

Kentro has like 1 weak spot that a carno just isn't agile enough to get that spot without getting skewered

[manic flint]

Yea
And charge just wont work cause spikes