general-feedback-discussion

[echo tiger]

Land exists unfortunately

Deino is literally not going to be able to do anything cause there will be ways and means of circumventing it permanently

[tepid gate]

and the issue is that circumventing it is the apparent intended counterplay to it

it's just... such a bad playable

you lose if you interact with it, you win by default by not even approaching it... a truly fascinating addition

[echo tiger]

Bro legit you can ambush and hold RMB tho! so cool!

HYPE

[tepid gate]

with every other carnivore you have multiple options:

1. don't approach it
2. run away from it
3. kill it
4. deal enough damage to it to scare it off

[echo tiger]

it was a POS when it was added, no skill at all and it still is a POS now even after it fucked the map up.

[echo tiger]

This.

[tepid gate]

With Deino it's... either don't approach it or be heavy and strong enough(Stego) to turn it into swiss cheese

[outer sphinx]

heard some hot takes about it but, do you think a Tug o War mechanic would help?

[echo tiger]

god fucking no.

If the way they implemented the lunge is any indication then no, its just hold E

[tepid gate]

It could maybe somehwat a little bit? If Deino was also made smaller perhaps

[echo tiger]

or bucking 2.0

[tepid gate]

that's a fair point

[echo tiger]

or HAHAHA you're tugged now theres nothing you can do.

[tepid gate]

And continuing on what I was saying before - even with a tug-o-war mechanic - that wouldn't work on anything aside from Stego

everything thing else is a fraction of the size of Deino

and would just get snorted in by the giant croc in a blink of an eye or else it would be just really stupid

[echo tiger]

Recode was meant to change everything but all we're effectively doing is playing on a no-alt turn server with 2FPS lag spikes

[tepid gate]

it would be like a nile croc struggling against a little gazelle

[echo tiger]

Combat is still functionally the same, its just braindead spam

Until combat is changed the game wont fucking go anywhere, we need movesets for playables to make them feel more unique

Its alright saying "BUT MUH ALT ATTACK" and "MUH COMBOS" when its just two button presses and you perform the respective thing, or just a button press

[tepid gate]

I honestly feel like the combat between the larger animals was outright better in the legacy

there were some things you could do to come out ahead against another Rex in the legacy

[outer sphinx]

i kept saying bleed here is just legacy bleed but with extra steps and people think the opposite

[tepid gate]

in deino vs deino it's just... "press lmb... and then keep pressing it"

[echo tiger]

Legacy was shit, but atleast it didn't boil down to whoever was stunned first dies

[outer sphinx]

who press LMB first = win

[echo tiger]

And what fucking happened to "We're making bone break less of a detriment"

They've regressed so much in combat to the point where i'd rather play on a No ALT-turn server sometimes given how braindead and boring it is

You hit a stun, oh shit he's dead in the case of carno

You maybe hit your pounce, it does nothing because the guy has 14 trillion of his friends, or he's wiggling in a forest or he's parked himself next to treesin the case of utah

You bite first in the case of deino, and you're a government spycamera if you're a ptera

Its just the same old same old, its the same combat just with a new coat of paint that people cannot fundementally see for some reason.

[outer sphinx]

the ideas behind all of this is good, the implementation and balancing is where it falls short

[echo tiger]

Nah the ideas are terrible.

Why even add a croc? its like adding titanoboa, its just a useless addition

Why add stego this early?

They should've focused on implementation of smalls in clusters and then transitioned up the chain but now we have a disjointed mess of cobbled together ideas with no consistency or cohesion

[outer sphinx]

idealy you'd make the larger stuff go where dinos is, and have spots where only smalls can reach, kinda tricky bot not impossible

[outer sphinx]

i mean this is more of an implementation problem, stego as an idea is great, its implementation wasnt

[echo tiger]

I mean there was a map concept someone made of a little almost like dragon eerie with small pathways that only smalls could hang out on, and large intersections where big things could just fight it out and stuff, instead we're left with UE4 asset flip landscapes and barely functional map design

They just need to expand on depth as opposed to scope

More verticality and reusing areas is always a good proponent of good map design imo.

[echo tiger]

Stego was bad for the roster, it was an idea that was fundementally bad

Same with Deino

They just added them because they're iconic (atleast stego is, deino is just muh giant croc) and it generated hype

[outer sphinx]

the roster is made in the grand scheme of things, this goes more into 2 things, the idea to implement it now, and the idea behind stego beeing slated for evrima

[echo tiger]

But if you're considering the roster for the grander scheme of things surely you wouldn't start with utah and tenonto. You'd start with apexes and work things down the chain right? Apexes are always the point of contention for balancing. IDK it could just be my mindset but working down the chain would make it easier to balance as opposed to working upward

from smalls to apexes, just work in reverse

[outer sphinx]

possibly, but then everyone would be subjected to the long painfull growth apexes are supposed to have

[echo tiger]

Yeah but initially you could just make it an hour since everyone is at the relative same point in terms of power and then worry about growth time as more classes are added.

Right now you have herbivores that are so much stronger than their carnivore contemporeries (mainly pachy) and an unkillable behemoth that you cannot fucking do ANYTHING about (stego)

Which is the problem of working from small to big, the jump in scope and power levels is astronomical

[outer sphinx]

what we got wasnt a smooth small to big, we got smalls then giants 1 update later

[echo tiger]

Thats true

But theres still going to be that jump regardless of transition

[outer sphinx]

same could happen with big to small, they start with apexes then add dilo, so he fucking dies to everything and has nothing to hunt

[echo tiger]

Thats why you add dinos in clusters

So for example: Nocturnal Hunter Update

Adds:

• Dilo,
• Troodon
• Hypsi
• Dryo

(Using hypsi and dryo as nocturnals given they have no mechanics)

But with that system you always have shit they can hunt, and people will want to play nocturnal herbivores since its such a commanding role tbh; especially given how the nights were dark in legacy. People like the idea of assuming responsibility in groups since thats just human nature.

Could have updates with a specific thematic so people can know what they're getting instead of "HI WE'RE ADDING A USELESS BIRD AND SOME DUMB CROC LOL"

[outer sphinx]

i mean, this was the previous roadmap

[echo tiger]

Yeah

They changed it for whatever reason so we dont know what the fuck is going on

[outer sphinx]

u4 was diet and had maggy and cerato, there was night/venom spread trough main and middle update etc

[echo tiger]

everythings getting pushed aside so they can have the funny flash light wielding humantities in the game

[outer sphinx]

i think it was to add more of the mechanics first and in a shorter time

[outer sphinx]

Punch said they barely even worked on humans in 2021

so way before the roadmap change

[echo tiger]

Its alright adding mechanics but if the mechanics are complete dogshit (Diets) then theres no point, not to mention there's still issues that are plaguing the game that haven't been fixed in months

I just dont see how adding humans is an improvement unless you wanna be FNAF jumpscared by a laggy utah or carno

[outer sphinx]

i really hope during 5.5, as the ysaid they will want to spedn a lot of time with it, gathering data etc, they will ask us what our problems are, balance, bugs etc to spend that time fixing them

The Isle: Operation Health if you must

[lavish quail]

My guy humans are easy and they've always been planned

[echo tiger]

I know that but they had a nice roadmap

[outer sphinx]

more that they have mostly been done before 2021

[echo tiger]

It was going so well

[lavish quail]

Gore and diets should of came together smh smh

[echo tiger]

Agreed

[outer sphinx]

hey maybe u7 is a huge update, herra, climbing, burrow, map, perks, elders

[echo tiger]

I'm just a pessimist for the games future ig, i dont really see it going anywhere

I am excited for herra tho given it was my favourite dino to play

[outer sphinx]

the game is still very early in dev looking at the goals of the devs

[lavish quail]

Man i want austro

[echo tiger]

[outer sphinx]

same, but i have a deep feeling it will be fucked like utah bc dromeosaurs or smth

[lavish quail]

Not even close and it kills me

[echo tiger]

i just want a fun game, its hard to have fun when you're chasing timers with the diet system and just dealing with the insane wait time and the sense of no-direction coming from the devs tbh

[lavish quail]

I just wanna vibe ontop of the water

[echo tiger]

[lavish quail]

austros can act like alarms aswell, if there is an austro there aint a deino

[echo tiger]

They said diets would massively decrease growth times, they went back on it too.

Its the same growth time just reskinned

[outer sphinx]

as they can see activity under water from land, yea, makes big animals want them around

[outer sphinx]

realistically it is much longer

[echo tiger]

I mean shorten them sorry

[outer sphinx]

and with u5 possibly spreading diets, herbis will have a much harder time

[outer sphinx]

i think that has been disputed already as just misunderstanding/ bad comunications

[lavish quail]

I dont like the longer growth times

its actually ass i just wanna play smh

[echo tiger]

I dont i fucking hate waiting around until i could do something

[lavish quail]

Thats why dryo is champ

[echo tiger]

WHAT THE FUCK happened to the actual growth element where you felt like you were getting stronger as you grew where the fuck did that go

[lavish quail]

stego

[echo tiger]

That was in update 2 and it just dissapeared after update 3.5 i think

[lavish quail]

all stego

[echo tiger]

[outer sphinx]

have you guys thought to just make growing and juvies fun to play?... instead of just shortening the time?

[echo tiger]

Yeah, theres only so much fun you can have as a juvi without risking your time.

Juvies just aren't fun fundementally tbh, just increase growth rate and be done with it, i dont want to wait 5 hours to play the shit i wanna play.

[lavish quail]

Doesnt make a difference, there is always a good chance that your gonna die and time will be wasted

[outer sphinx]

changing the map to actually support them, giving the ones fitting special abilities, like teno diving, utah climbing etc while growing, and slowly loosing them

[outer sphinx]

thats the idea of survival...

and nesting kinda..

[lavish quail]

I want to have a better time as juvie

like have access to places that dont let adults in

[outer sphinx]

i just said that and you said it doesnt make a dif

[lavish quail]

I want to have a good time without wasting time if that makes sense

cause rn im just sitting in a bush till i can defend myself

[outer sphinx]

well designing the map towards juvies, maybe giving them abilities that adults dont/ enhanced versions of the adult ones would do wonder to that, also nesting is supposed to be very important for this, for ex teno juvie can dive and hide in mud, juvie utah can climb

[outer sphinx]

well rn it def is garbage, and even the desv acknowledged of that, im talking like in the future, what could be

[echo tiger]

its alright going on about the what ifs

but currently the game is sjust in a state

[icy lion]

@sand lantern

[tight oxide]

wait so real utah could of been a thing?

and if they could add realistic utah it would be renamed?

[tight oxide]

what will carno have?

and stego

or rest of roster that adult cant do or cant do as well

[icy lion]

Will be* a thing

[outer sphinx]

stego, like basically every apex has the stat advantage where it can fend of some of its hunters, juvie carno could be made much more agile, contenting for a bare bones small hunter

plus adding spots that cador to juvies. like smaller caves, logs etc

[tight oxide]

too bad things can attack through trees and logs and etc

I think once thats fixed then juvies can really have at it in hiding

[outer sphinx]

I already made comments and suggestions for that

[tight oxide]

didnt see it

[outer sphinx]

it doesnt even have to be smth crazy and complex, just a basic hitbox that when detected removes damage applied

so visualy you still swing trough tress but in gameplay it does nothing

[tight oxide]

that would work but couldnt the ik system we saw them working on show visualy so an attack not going through walls?

[outer sphinx]

prob but we havent seen it in game yet, i'd want to see it myself and try it to know for sure, but if it works as intended, yes

[tight oxide]

I dont know too, I mean if it was complex enough to show tails not going through each other

then attacks might work the same

[outer sphinx]

prob, one thing i'd want from that system is for tails to be more dynamic, like of its over a ledge it droops down when sitting

[tight oxide]

That would be really cool and might already be planned since they wanna go futher than legacy Ik system

[outer sphinx]

it was depicted in pachys concept and i just want it, small details like this make it all the merier

[tight oxide]

just make tail ragdoll when sitting gg

[outer sphinx]

like PoT but dont make it go back to its original pose

[icy lion]

These screenshots state that a realistic utahraptor will be added and our current utah will be renamed. They also state that this could happen with other highly fictionalized Isle dinos

[tight oxide]

Wait really!

[outer sphinx]

so one more playable option?

[icy lion]

Potentially, yes

[tight oxide]

I hope ours is a sub species

[icy lion]

Let me grab some more quotes, Dondi was here for a while last night

[tight oxide]

Or was a sub version of adult utah

Ngl this gives me hope

[outer sphinx]

so ours would be dakota then, with weight changes... but irl utah would suck here... intriguing

[tight oxide]

I mean they could make irl utah a brawler

[icy lion]

It wouldn't be dakota

[tight oxide]

Like fighting off what can chase it down

[outer sphinx]

irl uath was only succsefull bc it was the apex

[icy lion]

Our current utah would be given a fictional name

[tight oxide]

I know

[outer sphinx]

ah so like i heard they wanted to call it Novaraptor too?

[tight oxide]

the isle and pc are connected

lore is done gg

We can all go home everyone

[outer sphinx]

carni pachy makes sense now

[tight oxide]

told ya

[icy lion]

He deconfirmed that

[outer sphinx]

sadge

[tight oxide]

Why you think we get dinos so rarely I mean look at pce and pc

[icy lion]

And it is unconfirmed whether they will be customization options, full reskins, or potentially new playables (other than the utahraptor, which will be its own thing)

[outer sphinx]

intriguing how that will be implemented, like 2 raptors, austro is a fisher so he is in his own land, this utah which we know and actual utah with a whole dif niche... interesting

curious, was there any talk about splitting the roster into mutliple "ecosystems"?

[tight oxide]

So does that mean...

Rex will get realistic rex?

and spino

[outer sphinx]

our rex is fairly realistic... spino on the other hand...

[tight oxide]

Cant wait to see our spino become fodder

[icy lion]

Nope

[outer sphinx]

bc kinda i wasnt to annoyed with some of the dinos bc they had roles they wanted them to fill etc, and the models made sense, some where less acceptable than others but understandable, its fact that if the whole roster was accurate a good bunch of it would suck

this in the case that the rest are also playables

and not just skins

[icy lion]

I think you're misunderstanding; realistic versions of our fictionalized creatures won't replace our current ones

[dapper mirage]

Spino has been saved

[tight oxide]

Will it be like sub species?

[icy lion]

They might be added as a playable, or they might be added as a customization option, or they might be added as a skin

It's too far to tell

The only one we know for certain is irl utahraptor, since it's a dev pick and will be its own playable

[outer sphinx]

well ye, i added those 2 comments to explain what i meant there

[tight oxide]

Just wondering how would realistic utah escape Giga

or carno

[outer sphinx]

oh ye, forgot that was a thing lol

[dapper mirage]

I mean realistic utah would probably be powerful as hell

[tight oxide]

eh maybe a brawler

[icy lion]

Possibly 500-600kg and strong

[dapper mirage]

And I’d imagine still fast enough to escape a giga, and two could probably weigh down a carno

[outer sphinx]

def not, irl utah was good bc it was the apex, it ran at like rex speed lmao

[tight oxide]

600 kg would challenge pachy hard tbh

if it does have pounce then bye bye pachy

[dapper mirage]

Literally for game balance purposes

[icy lion]

Speeds in game aren't based on irl estimates, just sizes/weights

[dapper mirage]

Why would a raptor ever be slower than an apex regardless of potential top speeds irl

[tight oxide]

Devs could change some stuff of a realistic utah

[icy lion]

And "realistic utah" doesn't mean "Every single stat is based on irl estimates"

It very likely is referring to the model and general abilities

[tight oxide]

So irl utah might be faster who knows

[outer sphinx]

well like just the weight, no? bc with deino ik bites arent supposed to be accurate

[tight oxide]

Just hoping its a brawler

[tight oxide]

isnt deino getting a buff when more apexes come?

like bite buff

[outer sphinx]

i mean it would need it...

[tight oxide]

exactly

[icy lion]

So far just weights and volume(model size) are based on irl estimates

[icy lion]

Unconfirmed

[tight oxide]

At least its wanted ig

[icy lion]

But balance will always be changing as more creatures are added

So it's a potential but not guaranteed

[dapper mirage]

Ok but what if we got him 😳👉👈

[tight oxide]

sub adult carno model bet

[outer sphinx]

yep, stego for ex, no matter the hottakes i have a strong feeling will need a buff once apexes come

[tight oxide]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401481371249541120/931024927560183898/RealisticUtahraptortheIsle.png this pls

85 upvotes too

[icy lion]

Well I think it's safe to assume it'll have feathers

[tight oxide]

as a option i hope

[outer sphinx]

i think they did say that any dinosaur that should have feathers would at least get a feather option, i think

[icy lion]

Yup

[tight oxide]

yea

[outer sphinx]

Utah beeing the prime ex given

[tight oxide]

realistic utah vs dilo

hmmmmm

its funny our utah is so skinny yet weighs more than a grizzly

[outer sphinx]

basically the same, utah most likely more strong

[outer sphinx]

density

[tight oxide]

idk man our utah looks like the wind will break its bones

[outer sphinx]

thats more just inconsistency, our utah should weigh no more than like 320kg

[tight oxide]

this would be a cool utah pattern or something

[outer sphinx]

why image smol

[tight oxide]

you're not wrong

[tight oxide]

cus yes

[outer sphinx]

just add PC:E skins to Isle

imagine

[tight oxide]

pce skins to the isle?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/636194255173451786/930883423470489660/20220112145539_1.jpg

Yes

[tight oxide]

would be cool https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/636194255173451786/931437562021691402/soul_reaper-1.png

[outer sphinx]

magna rex confirmed

[tight oxide]

indeed

but real magma

[outer sphinx]

its not Chinese magna

[tight oxide]

wouldnt be so bad to see this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/636194255173451786/932013713211412491/PermaPanas.png

[tight oxide]

i said magma like the hot stuff

[outer sphinx]

i really wish i could do smth with my PC:E skins, but game basically ded

god if i sold them during its prime...

[tight oxide]

#MaketiUtahasubadult

[tight oxide]

ill take your skins

[outer sphinx]

i only sell in prime PC:E prices

[tight oxide]

You can do a buddy a favor

[outer sphinx]

and those where 2 falcons

[tight oxide]

Me hoping our Utah becomes realistic utahs subadult form to add a different play style

[outer sphinx]

you dont stay subadult forever

[tight oxide]

ik im saying would be cool for our Utah skinniness was realistic utahs sub adult morph

and got to keep pounce or something

until adult...

[outer sphinx]

pounce and its gameplay is what makes this utah so liked, irl utah would have none of that

[tight oxide]

thats why i said gives its sub form pounce and some of old utah gameplay

so you can actually have fun when growing for a bit

plus utah would need longer growth :p

[outer sphinx]

you dont stay sub forever so if someone wanted this gameplay they cant have it

[tight oxide]

they would have fun for a bit and could commit die if they really wanted...

actually

yea just make our utah another playable option

[outer sphinx]

thats not a solution, just a band aid... and band aiding games is never good

[tight oxide]

diet system be like...

[outer sphinx]

well thats what they are doing, but irl utah would be stuck in a no mans land with no niche, heavy competition etc

the more they reveal for the game, the more its theorized and speculated, the more having a split roster esque is needed/better

[tight oxide]

Thats why they should make it more of a brawler

realistic utah wont be completely realistic

[outer sphinx]

then what about rugops and mono, they... well more rugops, idfk tf is with mono... would prob have the same role/ problem

[tight oxide]

we didnt see those guys in years...

so we done really know :p

I mean if they can make acro not be a nerfed giga

[outer sphinx]

we can speculate tho

[tight oxide]

then I think they can manage realistic utah and mono

[outer sphinx]

we have nothing for that so for now its just shit giga

[tight oxide]

thats why I say we should just wait

already dinos that might be nerfed versions of the other

[outer sphinx]

ik, but there is only so much they can do with almost 60 playables (well a few less if you exclude taco/ oro and velo)

[tight oxide]

Eh just wait and see also I mean if they mess up some players could say a nice suggestion

[outer sphinx]

what about a lot of the great suggestion that has been left now? i've seen many games fail to balance the game first then add more later, i dont want this to be another to that list cough OW/R6 cough

[tight oxide]

huh?

oh yea

There are plenty of great suggestions people made that hadnt been added

I think thats why people think devs dont look at suggestions most of the time

[paper oriole]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/713759451836055653/932294937809158264/Untitled.png

[icy lion]

Exciting, isn't it?

I know it won't be for a long, long while but I'm looking forward to seeing the Isle's takes on realistic creatures

[stray holly]

If they just make the lore that Jurassic World has that all these dinosaurs aren’t perfect replicas of what they were back in their time of living. It’d be fine. Like the current Utah was created to be something that’s eye catching and scary, while the actual Utah was what they first came up with but didn’t get approval cuz it wasn’t as badass or scary as they wanted it to be

[paper oriole]

Wonder what the renamed jp raptor will be though… dondiraptor? Apolloraptor?

[outer sphinx]

i mean i dont comend them for not doing anything from them, with how much garbage overflows actual good sugestions

[outer sphinx]

Just Raptor

[paper oriole]

Jurassicsaurus

[outer sphinx]

Dondisaurus

[paper oriole]

Isleraptor dondii

[icy lion]

That's already well established, which is why our current fictitious designs are staying

[stray holly]

Oh ok I didn’t know that. I’m not too familiar with the lore of the game.

[outer sphinx]

Im optimistic for whatever the creative/ game design is adding etc if it doesnt surpass the balancing/ balance choices, i really dont want this to become one more of those games killed by it

[paper oriole]

Dondis comments give me hope for a far future anky and spino variant too

[tight oxide]

I cant wait

like really

[tight oxide]

Who knows maybe we can help them find good ones (good as in lots of upvotes)

[tight oxide]

our utah aint scary lmao

[outer sphinx]

there are good ones that dont have many upvotes/downvotes, some are missed by the sheer volume garbage overflowing the channels or just ignored bc people dont like to read long texts or just doesnt atract their atention

[tight oxide]

novaraptor

[stray holly]

I meant more of the opinion that some people have that is having feathers=not scary. Which I disagree with

[tight oxide]

feathers could be a option tbh

[icy lion]

They will be

[stray holly]

That’s what I’m sayin

[tight oxide]

so then our utah will lose its scary factor

not that it had one to begin with

[icy lion]

It won't be novaraptor

[stray holly]

I figured adding feathers to the mfs wasn’t something on the devs to do list but Dondi has confirmed it now

[tight oxide]

would be nice

[icy lion]

Feather options have been confirmed for a while

But it's unlikely they will be released with update 5, it's for further down the line

[stray holly]

Feather options for all Dinos?

[icy lion]

No

[outer sphinx]

damn, so not scary

[icy lion]

To quote Punchpacket, "for creatures where it makes sense"

[stray holly]

Oversized chicken ☠️

[dapper mirage]

update 5 is gonna be nesting and skins right? at least assuming nothing gets cancelled/postponed

[icy lion]

I can't grab the original messages since they were in the old #isle-discussion

[icy lion]

Yes

[tight oxide]

lol utah aint gonna be scary at all with this

[echo tiger]

reptile be like woo woo scary

[tight oxide]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401481371249541120/931024927560183898/RealisticUtahraptortheIsle.png this with feathers

[dapper mirage]

so hyped for the skin system

[stray holly]

Yeah it’d be kinda weird seeing a Trike with feathers. Ngl

[outer sphinx]

ngl, i'd guess with skins only utha would get an alternate model, but thats just me beeing hopefull

[dapper mirage]

gonna be nice not having to see the same defaults over and over

[paper oriole]

[tight oxide]

at least beipi will be cool

[icy lion]

What do you mean?

[tight oxide]

great minds think alike

[outer sphinx]

with skins it makes sense to add feather models (huge options in terms of colours etc) and utah rn is the only one confirmed to get a feather model, so im hopefull we might get it in u5

[tight oxide]

giga but feathers

[paper oriole]

I think apolloraptor would be cool cus it fits with the theme, apollo engineering

[tight oxide]

or malnourishedraptor

[stray holly]

A trike with feathers would look so off

[paper oriole]

Feathered deinosuchus

[dapper mirage]

never has my day been improved and then ruined so quickly

[outer sphinx]

ah, thanks

[tight oxide]

stego but feathers

[stray holly]

Feathered Stegosaurus

[tight oxide]

imagine stealing

[paper oriole]

[icy lion]

It's still a possibility, but it's unlikely basically

[outer sphinx]

[stray holly]

Feathered Spinosaurus

[tight oxide]

so its a duck with claws

[paper oriole]

Stegosaurus except his plates and thagomizers are replaced with feathers

[tight oxide]

great...

[stray holly]

That looks like something out of Avatar.

[outer sphinx]

Apa!

[stray holly]

Haha yeah

[tight oxide]

lol imagine seeing humans ride that like its avatar

[outer sphinx]

troo*

[stray holly]

Aren’t Tribals supposed to be able to work together with dinosaurs on some level?

Or is that just speculation?

[tight oxide]

utah pets

[outer sphinx]

i mean its mostly speculation, tribals are what we know the least of

[tight oxide]

Me on my way to turn the isle into ark survival

[icy lion]

Pretty much everything about tribals/cannibals is speculation

They're a ways off and we don't know how much current information is now irrelevant/scrapped

[outer sphinx]

oh god, keep forgetting about canibals lol

[icy lion]

Cannibals=tribals

[stray holly]

Ark, but your mounts are sentient

[outer sphinx]

wait, then what was the eyeless humanoid?

[icy lion]

We don't know their name

[tight oxide]

add stands to the isle

[icy lion]

The community generally calls them "the eyeless" or "the unknown"

[tight oxide]

or cannibles i heard

[paper oriole]

Probably the cannibals after theyve had some run throughs with the replicator wtf ever that is lol

[icy lion]

No

[stray holly]

I think it’d be cool if I could ride around on a grown T Rex’s back that’s also a player. But idk if they’re gonna go in that direction.

It’d be amazing though

[tight oxide]

that rex will probably bring you to oasis and watch the herbis merk you

[stray holly]

Not if he’s in my discord group

[paper oriole]

Humans should be allowed to grapple like utahraptor except no damage at a stam cost and dinosaur players can have them at their mercy lol

[tight oxide]

ACK

[tight oxide]

Human nail bad so no
ez

[stray holly]

Imagine the amount of damage tribals and dinosaurs could do to everything else on the map dude

[tight oxide]

humans should be able to rock climb if get good

[paper oriole]

Rock climb and tree climb

[tight oxide]

would let them escape anything

see that giga? climb the mountain mah boi

[stray holly]

I suggested tribals should be able to climb any surface. Like in Conan Exiles if you’ve ever played that.

Mercs could do the same when they acquire the right equipment

[dapper mirage]

this whole alt species thing reminds me of when they had the idea to do monster spino and 2014 aquatic spino but then scrapped the concept

[paper oriole]

Climb in to a tree to escape an aggro trike, herrera: “i'd like to contact you about your car's extended warranty”

[dapper mirage]

seems like they brought it back which is nice

[tight oxide]

Human fighting quetz and ptera in the air with a jetpack

imagine just seeing that

[stray holly]

Lmao

[tight oxide]

in the middle of a realism gameplay

[paper oriole]

I hope we get an official tap spino some day

[dapper mirage]

only this time we hopefully wont get the shitty 2014 spino but instead a 2020/2021 spino

[tight oxide]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855535605178171422/868230326856601610/image0.jpg

[paper oriole]

[dapper mirage]

its honestly criminal how much spino's tail fin has been ignored in media

[tight oxide]

i dunno man tap concept is perfect

[tight oxide]

when you remember path of titans predicted it

[dapper mirage]

the one miragaia posted, that's tap's right

[paper oriole]

Spinos generic land theropod build makes me sad

[dapper mirage]

wait im stupid

[tight oxide]

I mean...

[dapper mirage]

the signature is literally right there lmaoo

[dapper mirage]

yea between fred's and tap's i personally perfer fred's

[tight oxide]

you wanted jp spino?

[dapper mirage]

but not by all that much

[paper oriole]

He looks squishy

[stray holly]

Let spino walk on all fours.

[dapper mirage]

id be fine with either tap's or fred's

[stray holly]

If it wants to

[paper oriole]

He looks like he smells of sardines

[tight oxide]

jp spino you wanted huh

[dapper mirage]

oh and i dont have the source with me but apparently the short legged spino was debunked as a chimera wth a subadult

[paper oriole]

Oh god that tail

[tight oxide]

exactly

jp spino

[dapper mirage]

granted it still prob has shorter legs than most theropods but it could almost certainly walk on two legs

[tight oxide]

I got perfect spino remodel

look

[paper oriole]

I like tap's because its got short legs but not the scrappy salamander legs a lot of renditions have

[stray holly]

Imagine an Elder Deino drowning a Rex.

[paper oriole]

[stray holly]

Or spino

[paper oriole]

Gently baptize the rex

[dapper mirage]

so obviously utah and spino would be getting makeovers

[tight oxide]

deino having fun

[dapper mirage]

what others do you think would get one???

[paper oriole]

[dapper mirage]

cuz honestly other than that the isle is fairly realistic as far as dinosaurs go, other than design choices for some

[stray holly]

Rex could get one.

[paper oriole]

Anky god i hope anky

[stray holly]

With a feather option

[dapper mirage]

ok real talk i love the anky all it needs is the removal of the grand canyon in its back

[tight oxide]

its perfect

[outer sphinx]

giga, mega, gali, compy, alberto, ptera, anky, minmi (a bit)

[tight oxide]

i would prefer jp anky over ours rn XD

[paper oriole]

We need anky prime

[paper oriole]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699002740164132948/792550683542945842/speed.gif

[tight oxide]

you know you love it

[paper oriole]

Idk what they were thinking with that big ass dent

[dapper mirage]

i posted him earlier, but we NEED this. there's really no need to redo the carno but this looks so good in comparison to the carno we have, and our current carno isn't even bad

baardo does some spectacular work

[tight oxide]

someone fixed the dent https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/868267346828087356/image1.png

[dapper mirage]

anky if he was based

[paper oriole]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/914730073712627792/D19CD8DA-1683-4556-BB02-E8A4C183BCA2.png

My beautiful creation

[tight oxide]

why...

[tight oxide]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423939730544132096/932365954527137892/Z.png

[paper oriole]

Revenge

[dapper mirage]

the tail reminds me of a rodrigo vega concept and i love it

[paper oriole]

Yeah the tail is nice its just how he looks emaciated and has a back like somebidy dropped a boulder on it

[warm flame]

I think this might be the one I made, I'm surprised that it's still being shown

[dapper mirage]

fat whipper

fat whipper

[paper oriole]

Fat whipper vs ed the badass

[tight oxide]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401481371249541120/775901045712486411/hyperendocrin_ankylosaurus__by_tapwing_daygyb1-fullview.jpg

new anky ggez

[warm flame]

impenetrable

[dapper mirage]

vile creature

[paper oriole]

Strain herbi art

[tight oxide]

viable

[paper oriole]

Makes me sad cus herbis aint ever gettin anythin

[warm flame]

anky is a bad animal

[tight oxide]

tapwing made it https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401481371249541120/775901045712486411/hyperendocrin_ankylosaurus__by_tapwing_daygyb1-fullview.jpg

[paper oriole]

You are the opposite of based

[tight oxide]

ratio

[warm flame]

anky is a mad animal

[dapper mirage]

i cannot hear that phrase without wanting to jump off a fucking building anymore and its partly my fault

[tight oxide]

how so...

[paper oriole]

Yeah tapwing made some coolass herbi strain art and also bajadasaurus and shunosaurus art that i wish the isle got instead of magy

[dapper mirage]

dw about it

[warm flame]

tap made bajadasaurus art?

[paper oriole]

Anky is a good animal

[tight oxide]

magy unviable

[paper oriole]

Because how can anky be bad when we're getting magy

[tight oxide]

fite me

legit magy viable cus it taste bad?

whats stopping my utah gang from killing it for the lols

[paper oriole]

Im gonna stab so many magyarosaurus after friendly calling them

[warm flame]

magyarosaurus is the BEST animal!
anky though? bad animal, it's slow

[tight oxide]

magy will out run allo somehow

XD

[dapper mirage]

People are assuming Magy won't be viable. They're wrong. It will be viable.

Source: pls just trust me dude

[tight oxide]

Ima get a giga gang to kill them just for the hell of it

[warm flame]

upscale magy and rename it to "Camarasaurus"

[outer sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/titanfall-titanfall2-bt-trust-me-trust-gif-20507128

[tight oxide]

source: it taste bad

[tight oxide]

sees allo gang

[dapper mirage]

holy fuck i forgot i made that that was like over a year ago wth

thank you for posting that

[paper oriole]

Cerato is chad, cant wait to behead some magies

[paper oriole]

It is a work of art

[tight oxide]

reminds of a classic cartoon

idk why

cera gonna be a brawler

amazing

cant wait to make carnos rethink their life choices

[warm flame]

magy will be brawler! it will be able to fight cerasaurus!

[paper oriole]

Skunk magy and sea cucumber magy are the only viable magy routes

[dapper mirage]

the funniest part about magy is that aside from cera, nothing that kills it will actually want to eat it

so theyll just die and be left to rot

ultimate disrespect

[warm flame]

sea cucumber magy, thanks for reminding me

[paper oriole]

The ultimate KFS bait dino

Viable animal

[outer sphinx]

doing gods work for cera

[tight oxide]

dont worry guys magy is viable against deino, rex, spino, giga, acro, utah pack, alberto, allo, bary and sucho because it taste bad

[warm flame]

because you have to eat something to kill it

[tight oxide]

so it will shoot shit from its ass? or will it shoot its heart?

[tight oxide]

exactly

its not like 90% of carnivores have to bite something to kill it

why not just make magy give debuffs to bite attacks

simple

[paper oriole]

Magy's secret unrevealed ability that makes it viable: once it is killed it becomes a zombie if nobody eats it and this zombie form is immortal until it eventually comes in contact with its killer and explodes like a nuclear missile

[warm flame]

passive poison

[dapper mirage]

attacked by a carnivore
shits out its organs
refuses to elaborate further
explodes
dies
beta carnivore player is confused and terrified

[tight oxide]

LOL imagine dying to a rex and become zombie only to find said rex a week later as a juvie to explode it

[warm flame]

suicide bombing magy niche

[paper oriole]

The chaddest sauropod

[tight oxide]

Nothing killing magy man

nothing...

[dapper mirage]

in hindsight im honestly so grateful for magy because it is really just endless meme material

[paper oriole]

We need that one dino that is just there to be made fun of, glad we have magy to fill that essential niche

[tight oxide]

magy is gonna fight cera off for sure...

[dapper mirage]

like taco and dryo jokes had an expiration date but magy?? no that's a gold mine

[paper oriole]

Taco could actually be made cool unironically

[tight oxide]

we did it!, devs gave us meme material finally

[paper oriole]

Taco with the most advanced burrowing and porcupine quills

[tight oxide]

make it godly burrower

taco should be able to make a whole house underground

[paper oriole]

Exactly

[tight oxide]

let it make a tv and ps5 for the lols

10/10 gameplay right there

[dapper mirage]

id rather not tbh. i dont think anything smaller than ovi/troodon should be playable, and even then the only reason i say ovi and troodon is because they have specific things to do to make them fun

[paper oriole]

Build a whole ass mansion and be able to defend itself from raiders with quills

[dapper mirage]

keep the smallest as dryo, because otherwise you just get a hypsi situation

[tight oxide]

i disagree tbh

if bob velo can kill rex so should taco

[paper oriole]

I wish theyd reveal something unique for ovi, oviraptors are one of my all time fav dino families

[dapper mirage]

ovi is like in my top few favorite dinosaurs

but honestly

scrap it in favor of anzu or citipati

simply for the bigger size

[tight oxide]

didnt see him in like 2 years

[paper oriole]

Anzu is pretty cool ngl

[tight oxide]

pls... more giga info

[dapper mirage]

they could legit just scale up ovi and rename it "anzu"

[tight oxide]

replace utah with megaraptor gg

[dapper mirage]

because there's a point where dinosaurs become too small to be anything other than a meme

[paper oriole]

True, and ignore the small handful of anatomical differences because it's the isle

[tight oxide]

well then theres bob velo...

[dapper mirage]

like i think troodon should be scaled up to around the size of the alaskan variant

just for gameplay's sake

[paper oriole]

Isnt the alaskan variant like deinonychus sized

[tight oxide]

i agree because the grass will make it harder to see its surroundings

[dapper mirage]

cuz im sorry there's no way midget troodon is gonna be able to take things down, no matter what they say

[manic flint]

yea taco should be pretty easy to make a niche for

[warm flame]

upscale troodon to utah size

[manic flint]

no

[tight oxide]

just let it make a mansion underground

[warm flame]

[tight oxide]

simple

[paper oriole]

Delete troodon and give trex venom

[dapper mirage]

the threshold for playables should be "if its head is not above the grass, it's not a playable"

[tight oxide]

give giga venom and bleed ggez

[dapper mirage]

cuz as much as i love dear little minmi

wtf is it gonna do

[paper oriole]

Oro would be the harder of the classic pair to make interesting since we got hypsi

[manic flint]

give us long grass so utah is no longer a playable

[tight oxide]

how does longer grass do that to utah?

[dapper mirage]

add v2 marsh reeds so rex isnt playable

[manic flint]

did you read what i commented on?

[tight oxide]

make the map 90% cliffs and falls to make game unplayable

[paper oriole]

Take the cancer grass from the swamp and put it all over the island

[warm flame]

that's already what it is

[tight oxide]

oh dang...

[tight oxide]

[dapper mirage]

also do they still plan to give troodon mimicry

[manic flint]

i believe so

[tight oxide]

i forgot about that lol

[warm flame]

pretty sure, but of course they haven't showed how it'll work

[dapper mirage]

cuz that should really belong to ovi. yknow. to bait adult dinosaurs away from nests????

[tight oxide]

imagine troodon packs sounding like utahs to lure a lone utah to them

[paper oriole]

I still wish ovi got mimicry

[tight oxide]

no

[dapper mirage]

it fits so much better with ovi. no reason to give troodon mimic AND venom

[paper oriole]

Troo already has the venom and nv but ovi has gotten nothing unique revealed for it

[dapper mirage]

exactly

[warm flame]

[paper oriole]

Like galli is gonna eat eggs too, is ovi doomed to just be small galli gameplay?

[dapper mirage]

small egg hunter

[tight oxide]

ovi is galli but claws
instantly viable

[paper oriole]

Permanent Juvie galli experience

[manic flint]

ovi will probably be more specialized and end up leaning more carnivorous than galli

[warm flame]

ovi is also able to be bitten by protoceratops as shown in the proto concept, that is a good ability if you ask me

[dapper mirage]

why is proto even here again

[warm flame]

cause it had an old model, I think

[paper oriole]

Ovi gets bitten by a radioactive protoceratops, and gains protoceratops abilities such as digging small holes and eating grass

[dapper mirage]

yea it did but even so its just so useless

we dont need all of these little rat dinosaurs in the roster

[warm flame]

just like mono

[dapper mirage]

even mono is redundant to a point

and i hate saying that

[paper oriole]

Tbh koreaceratops would have been cooler even though proto is cool

[dapper mirage]

but like. what will it DO better than dilo

[paper oriole]

Because korea could have at least also been a good swimmer

[dapper mirage]

koreaceratops is taco but aquatic right

[manic flint]

what is mono's niche? Scavenger? prob will give it good scent with that big ass nose

[paper oriole]

Yeah he is basically wet taco

[manic flint]

mono looks quite cool, but where will it fit?

[paper oriole]

Bloodhound mono has been a decently interesting idea thats been popping up

[outer sphinx]

make it the best tracker, no matter of weather or context

[dapper mirage]

only dinosaurs i truly still want to see put into the game are cryolophosaurus, iguanodon, and yutyrannus

[manic flint]

that's what im expecting since it has a big nose

[paper oriole]

Iguanadon based

[dapper mirage]

teno but awesome

[paper oriole]

Then we have an iguanadont trio

Dryo, teno, the one and only

[outer sphinx]

i have started smth

[manic flint]

iguanodon would be cool but it would be too similar in size to para or smth

[dapper mirage]

mf'ers still be out here calling teno a hadrosaur

[paper oriole]

It is so annoying to see that lol

[outer sphinx]

but iguanodon is a hadrosaur

[dapper mirage]

drives me up the wall

[warm flame]

tenosaurus is my favorite hadrosaur!

[dapper mirage]

i hate to be the "uhm akshully" guy but that's the one that gets me

[manic flint]

cryo won't have a niche, too many similar sized animals, and yuty would be too similar to alberto

[paper oriole]

Para would be a ccer flight animal, iggy is a brawler. Not too similar

[manic flint]

ig so

[dapper mirage]

that's why it hurts so much

[outer sphinx]

yuty is just alberto skin

[manic flint]

they could just make them skins

[dapper mirage]

if i had to pick between cryo, yuty, and iggy id pick iggy in an instant

[manic flint]

iggy is the only one that could fit

[paper oriole]

I hope Prestosuchus replaces raui too

[dapper mirage]

if we got a cryo tho id want something like jwe cryo

[outer sphinx]

i choose cryo and yuty

[dapper mirage]

no noodle cryo

[manic flint]

but the roster is too bloated already

[dapper mirage]

noodle cryo is cringe

[dapper mirage]

yea thats the thing too. we already have everything

[warm flame]

uni crested dilo and allo in a fursuit

[manic flint]

we could easily trim the roster already

[paper oriole]

Chad prestosuchus vs virgin rauisuchus

[outer sphinx]

yep, im optimistic for whatever changes they do/ new stuff, direction but as long as it does overtake the balance/ balance choices, dont want this game to die by it like so many others

[manic flint]

and with current player caps there are less than 2 dinos per species

[dapper mirage]

the mid tier carni roster is the cleanest. Cerato, Bary, Carno, Allo, Alberto

[outer sphinx]

anyone remember him?

[manic flint]

i want bary in now

[dapper mirage]

assuming the game is balanced and no one lets their biases lead to making one mid tier overpower the others, the mid tier carnies should interact very well with each other

[warm flame]

dried out sucho

[dapper mirage]

only one i worry about is alberto cucking all of them

[manic flint]

sucho crossed with utah

[warm flame]

legacy all over again

[dapper mirage]

legacy bary looks like a rasin

new bary concept looks like its the spawn of satan

[manic flint]

i hope the new model does it justice

[dapper mirage]

i mean that in the most accusatory way possible

[warm flame]

scoliosis

[outer sphinx]

yes, there are a few easy and clear choices, but i have a better idea, having multiple servers with dif maps each one with its own theme (and respective ecosystem) withs its own roster, a few dinos can overlap between them

[manic flint]

desert map, winter map, etc?

[dapper mirage]

baryonyx name means "heavy claw"

the claws:

it looks like hes about to tickle your belly button without consent

[manic flint]

something like this would be nice

[warm flame]

or where community servers can pick which dinosaurs they want to be playable, I'd disable magy

[dapper mirage]

magy only server

[outer sphinx]

yes, each server has one map like that, each one with its fitting roster (like i said, some can overlap, like proto beeing part of the rosters), this could also be done in making a huge map with all of these biomes and each server beeing one part of it, tho for this there should be like 2-3 servers for each map, and think much more, like a more swampy map/ with marshes etc, good for semi aquatics and a few others

[warm flame]

honestly I'd rather have a bulkier version of the sucho we have in legacy than the evrima bary

[dapper mirage]

im just worried that the devs havent been convinced yet that sucho is a pseudo apex and not a mid tier

[manic flint]

Sucho is huge though

[dapper mirage]

exactly

but for whatever reason sucho always gets nerfed in media it seems

ffs jwe sucho is smaller and weaker than both carno and allo

[warm flame]

acro my beloved

[dapper mirage]

sucho vs acro fights are goals

[manic flint]

I fucking hate that
They downsized it for some reason

[manic flint]

Who wins?

[dapper mirage]

realisticlly prob acro

but then again there's apparently potential evidence that hasnt been published that could make sucho bigger than rex

[warm flame]

our acro is f a t so it'd still probably win

[dapper mirage]

but for the sake of game balance i'd say to make sucho and acro have an even fight on paper in the isle

[manic flint]

Excited as hell

[dapper mirage]

just for the sake of fun carnivore rivalries

[dapper mirage]

keep in mind that's a very big """"could""""

[manic flint]

Sucho vs Acro should be just barely sucho favour imo

[manic flint]

But we dobt have much sucho material anyway so I fist want more sucho material

I think sucho has surpassed spino for favourite spinosaurid/baryonichae

[dapper mirage]

bary/sucho/spino are all very unique animals

i love them all

[manic flint]

Sucho vs Acro should be very close
55/45 sucho favour cause sucho will probably be slower but can evade using water

[dapper mirage]

theyre also great for demonstrating a nice little evolution timeline. bary is primitive, spino specialized, sucho middle ground

[manic flint]

and those claws will fuck an acro up

[manic flint]

it's my favourite example of exploitation of a niche

[dapper mirage]

sucho vs acro in the isle (((real))) https://youtu.be/6bUqUeKdiXk?t=206

[warm flame]

trike needs a redesign

[manic flint]

Acro is the 'sauropd butcher' and teno killer
So it will probably be more bleed focused no?

Sucho class should be able to brute force it
It should be really close though
Close enough where they won't risk it

[manic flint]

i honestly hope they just upsize sucho, or increase it's weight. its completely possible and balance wise it would make sense

[manic flint]

also link give

[dapper mirage]

https://www.nigerheritage.org/news/2021-niger-expedition-in-planning

[manic flint]

i remember hearing about an expidition

i didn't know anything came from it

[dapper mirage]

the part about sucho potentially getting larger is just what the friend who told me about this mentioned, but he's a fairly reliable source and knows paleo people. so its not 100% fact yet but plausible

yea we got spino remains too

**new spino remains

which is awesome

[manic flint]

the current sucho is believed to be a sub (Not sure if they sawed the bones open to see for sure or not)

[manic flint]

arms please

[dapper mirage]

if we get arms and more vertabrae we basically will know what the thing's basic body plan was

[manic flint]

what else lived with sucho? was it the apex?

[manic flint]

if we get arms we can know for sure if it was bipedal or not

[dapper mirage]

here's to hoping spino is a deinocherius situation where we no nothing about it then suddenly we know everything

[manic flint]

yes please

[dapper mirage]

and im pretty sure sucho was the apex in its time as far as our fossil record shows

however just like all ecosystems it probably had some form of competition

i dont really know much about what else lived with sucho other than sarco

[manic flint]

it would make sense to be, it's not as specialized as spino and could function on land

[manic flint]

hol up i thought sarco lived with spino

planet dinosaur has lied to me

[dapper mirage]

sarco was in planet dinosaur? with spino??

dont remember that at all

[manic flint]

yes

in the drought segment, sarco was in the water and spino avoided it. later on it was shown with charcar

planet dinosaur was such a good doc

[dapper mirage]

we havent had quality documentaries in such a long time

we need one that covers things like current spino, that new little guy stegouros, etc

and i know im biased

but we actually dont have any good docs covering carnotaurus

mainly cuz we know so little about its environment i assume

[manic flint]

i always looked for new docs on youtube when i was younger. then they just stopped coming out. we need a sequel to planet dinosaur

[dapper mirage]

but id like to see it in a speculative environment showing how it potentially functioned

[manic flint]

yea

we need good dino docs again...

how long do ya think it will take for those specimens to be described?

[manic flint]

my best guess in the next year or two we will know

[dapper mirage]

No idea tbh

I’m into paleo but you also have to consider the fact that I’m also an armchair lmao

[manic flint]

the typing armchair

new discovery

im procrastinating on finals...

i hope sucho is proven to be at least acro sized, hopefully bigger

[tight oxide]

damn thats pretty big

[manic flint]

its possible

especially when its an apex carnivore that shares an environment with sarcosuchus

and its speculated our current sucho is only a subadult

[manic flint]

maybe too optimistic but i like spinosaurids

[manic flint]

Also it gives the devs an excuse to buff sucho

[tight oxide]

eh

[manic flint]

Wdym

[tight oxide]

not sure on how far devs should be buffing sucho

[manic flint]

Depends on how good it is

But imo it'll prob get what on by Acro and deino so a weight and health buff could do it good

[tight oxide]

deino should kill sucho

sooo...

[manic flint]

Yea but it shouldn't be unfair

[tight oxide]

eh sucho has to go to water to avoid land carnivores that could kill it

while worrying about deino

[manic flint]

Sucho should be able to swim across a river without getting eaten by a deino in 2 seconds

That's my point

[tight oxide]

but it would survive a few hits by current deino

[manic flint]

But not by buffed deino
See my point?

[tight oxide]

yea

[manic flint]

Also it shouldn't be grabbable

Deino shouldn't be able to grab any pseudo apex or larger

These guys should all be safe

Except Quetz lmao

And Utah why is Utah there

[manic flint]

also it needs to be able to fight off acro so it needs a bit more health

[tight oxide]

deino should be able to tuggle with it if that mechanic can come

[manic flint]

it will eventually be able to do that with stego so def with sucho

[tight oxide]

utah is considered big in its own way

[manic flint]

im assuming its there for size comparison

[tight oxide]

eh theres a human tho

and we know utah is now human sized

[manic flint]

utah is in all of the size charts iirc

[tight oxide]

yea it is

still wonder why utah got downsized tbh

[manic flint]

It was too tanky

[tight oxide]

what do stats have to do with size :p

well to a certain extent

[manic flint]

Weight = Health

[tight oxide]

again im just saying why did size get downsized?

not to buff weight

[manic flint]

Did it?

[tight oxide]

yea on a stream before evrima

Utah was a little taller than human

like a more accurate size

[manic flint]

Idk

[paper oriole]

I just wish giga still had his dewlap

[manic flint]

i like sucho's new dulap

giga also looks odd without it

[paper oriole]

idk why they felt the need to redesign giga. a model update is understandable but its old design was iconic an rugged and perfect

[manic flint]

it was a legitimately good design

[paper oriole]

it stands with designs like theri on 'if it aint broken, don't fix it' and they were decently faithful with the theri update

[manic flint]

i dont mind the new theri, but the nre giga looks kinda generic

first image of giga you find on google

[paper oriole]

new theri still has all the stuff that made old theri good. new giga has weird body lumps like a beetle larva, somebody sandpapered his crest and his cool ass dewlap is gone for no reason

[paper oriole]

yeah it seems like a boring, uninspired mainstream design instead of a unique but grounded design rich with personality

[manic flint]

wow yet another 'pachy should be shit on by carno' balance post

[paper oriole]

old giga looked like a rugged and patient predator, new one just looks like generic theropod

[manic flint]

most dinosaurs look great with dewlaps imo

[paper oriole]

yeah though it wasnt only the dewlap, it was a combination of things. the dewlap was just one of the best parts

and this mf is getting chased by pachies? must be another suicidal maniac going i to oasis where 90% of pachy players hang out

i aint gonna walk in to a known ghetto and then complain when i get robbed

[manic flint]

like if you wanna kill something designed to punch above its weight class don't be stupid

ambush it

like a normal predator

[paper oriole]

ive killed 2 pachies as carno the one time i played carno after pachy went live

theyre easy to jump while theyre eating

the problem is we have 2 brawler herbivores paired with a small game ambush hunter and a glass cannon bleeder

[manic flint]

Ysee
Its almost like the strategies actual predators use work for a reason

[manic flint]

Give us cera
And sucho
Or even bary

[paper oriole]

cera woulda been a better choice than carno

bary is getting a makeover so i can excuse his absence

[manic flint]

What do you want for bary?

Playstyle and balance wise

I think of bary as a mix of Utah and sucho

[paper oriole]

i would want bary to be an athletic coastal predator, relying less on fishing than sucho

of course, fishing would still be a dietary thing but i think bary should pursue more land animals too

[manic flint]

I want it to inhabit the same areas as teno, they work well together imo

Bary should be agile and decently powerful, able to apply good dmaage and bleed with its claws

About a 50/50 with carno
Just as competent on land as in water

[paper oriole]

hed be a good teno pair yeah. bit faster on land but slower in the water than tenonto

because i think a tenonto would still bonk bary's shit unless the bary is quite clever/patient, so bary would have to be able to haul away

[manic flint]

Ideally it's diet would consist of coastal/Riverside creatures, fish and some plains animals
Stuff like teno and pachy

[paper oriole]

i'd put something like plateo on the top of bary's diet options that would be a pair/trio hunt because i want plateo to be coastal as well

[manic flint]

I feel bary would be very fun to play

Cerato too
Cerato's niche is obvious
Honey badger scavenger

[paper oriole]

i liked bary in legacy even though he was kinda useless, he was one of the most viable sandbox dinos. not busted, not too weak

[manic flint]

Bary vs Carno opinions?

[paper oriole]

i look forward to cerato and i hope kentro is good too because hes the closest ill get to a miragaia in this game

[paper oriole]

i'd probably put it on even, but if a carno sticks around for the brawl he'll probably bleed out after

[manic flint]

Exactly my thoughts

[manic flint]

Kentro I'm hella excited for

It'll either be busted or shit depending on how it's spikes work

[paper oriole]

itll be one of those animals who will fluctuate between busted or broken by patch like utahraptor i'm guessing

[manic flint]

Yea
Either it'll do reflected damage when hit or upon contact

[manic flint]

I hope its spikes aren't just a joke that do absolutely nothing substantial

[calm granite]

love it when i stop eating and cant move for 2 years

[lusty seal]

@sand lantern idk if someone has told you this yet but yesterday don did confirm that there was going to be a realistic utah raptor and the current raptor would be called something else so

[calm granite]

utah got 4 free bites in cuz i couldnt move

[obtuse ravine]

I as a pachy, just got tracked down by 4 pachys in a random bush in the middle of nowhere, and then as I was running in a straight line as a full adult, uninjured, perfect diet pachy, he caught up to me while holding his right click attack and nailed me. running straight behind me. There are people straight up hacking this whole game

we run the same speed. they caught up to me

I have video evidence

[manic flint]

Yea
People hack online games

[obtuse ravine]

you must be one of them

@manic flint you're definitely one of them

@manic flint why don't you tell me how you're doing it

[manic flint]

I don't know how to hack

[obtuse ravine]

Oh yeah? you seem really cocky on the topic

come on boy

say something clever

[last lily]

.. . .. Because it's common knowledge that basically all online games with multiplayer will face hackers and cheaters at some point? It's kinda inevitable, and calls for anti cheats of some sort... which aren't full proof either. VAC misses a lot of them, but also catches a lot.

[obtuse ravine]

and? I'm pointing it out in the official discord

maybe I should just bend over and let people bone me for the rest of my life

[last lily]

Most of the time, it's less hacking and more so them just downloading cheats that actual hackers make and sell... Which is still problematic.. I'd still give the footage to the devs though so they can review it and see if they can work on the anti-cheat or not(I think the anti-cheat they got right now is something that's bought and sold to developers...)

Troubleshooting might be better for that, but that's just a guess. More specific, the better sort of deal.

[manic flint]

?
You're like the 500th person to say people are hacking

It's kinda just common knowledge now

[last lily]

TF2 Bot moment... sad.

[manic flint]

Calm down mate lmao

[calm granite]

bro

[manic flint]

?

[tepid gate]

In general everyone is aware of that, The hackers have been a plague in this game since... update 3 I think?

At least I don't recall seeing any prior to that

but the people seeing you through the bushes and what not started popping up like crazy when Deino came out

[obtuse ravine]

do you just hang out in this specific chat channel to undermine people calling this out?

[manic flint]

No?
I just found it humourous that you said
"There are people hacking this game"
And that's it
At least elaborate in the feedback
Saying 'people hack' is well known already
That's why I responded with

[obtuse ravine]

you were all over this, you followed me to a different channel

[manic flint]

? What does that even mean

That I responded to your feedback in the feedback discussion channel?

I'm not going to argue with ya mate

[last lily]

https://tenor.com/view/skeletor-wat-what-gif-18497036

[limber hull]

this is a very silly argument

[manic flint]

It is

That's why I'm leaving it

[obtuse ravine]

I pointed out an instance of hacking for which I have video evidence. You chimed in ONLY to try and discredit what I'm saying. Thanks for fucking off. You should have done that at the start.

[manic flint]

All I said is its common knowledge

[limber hull]

i dont think there was a single point where he tried to discredit you

[obtuse ravine]

well maybe he should shut up then

[manic flint]

They're just a bit salty, I can understand that, cheaters are quite infuriating, so I don't really blame em for being angry

[barren zephyr]

cheaters suck but they certainly aren't going anywhere anytime soon

[limber hull]

the thing is, based on his report, it could've not been a cheater. If it was a pachy running faster than him, the pachy could've been lower than 100%, since pachys reach their max speed somewhere after 75% iirc, which means they can outrun adult pachys

[manic flint]

Yea
I'm don't know how the anti cheat works but it hasn't changed much

[barren zephyr]

i would just stop playing the game entirely until the issue is resolved

[manic flint]

So it wasn't even a hacker? That's funny

[limber hull]

No, it could've been

[obtuse ravine]

eh, I had been sitting in a bush for like 15 minutes. all of a sudden I was surrounded by 4 adult pachys

[limber hull]

Okay yea that's a bit weird lmao

[obtuse ravine]

it was impossible for them to know where I was

[barren zephyr]

if that's the case then yeah they were probably hacking

[limber hull]

Resting I believe does make sound however, but again, pretty likely just cheaters

[icy lion]

If you have evidence of hacking, dm it to one of the server admins. #general-feedback is not the place for it.

[obtuse ravine]

I just found a hack online that tracks player locations with their names

[barren zephyr]

did you just

[obtuse ravine]

@icy lion well, you know now, and you're on #teamfoszor so maybe you can deal with it

[barren zephyr]

wh

[limber hull]

what

[manic flint]

What

[barren zephyr]

i don't uh

[manic flint]

That-

[barren zephyr]

what???

[manic flint]

Bruh

[icy lion]

I am a Discord mod, not a server admin. Please read our #rules-and-info to see more general information about our Discord server

[barren zephyr]

Nerf Pachy so Carno can at least go bite for bite with it.

[manic flint]

Pachy is 3 shot
And this isn't balance feedback

[barren zephyr]

???

Dude you legit can't kill a pachy if it is standing up

[manic flint]

???
Since when

[barren zephyr]

Legit right now

They also full break your leg within 1 hit so

[manic flint]

Pachy dies in 3 hits on the body

[barren zephyr]

Oh wow if you're able to hit it

[indigo hawk]

im playing a pachy rn and a carno did like 1/3 of my health 1 bite

[barren zephyr]

Yeah if you get bit then you're doo doo

[manic flint]

No
I think the carno is if you just can't hit them once

[barren zephyr]

No the carno should be able to bite them when the Pachy charges

[manic flint]

Pachy stuns you
So no you can't facetank a pachy
You bite it's sides

[barren zephyr]

So then every carno dies

It is simple

[manic flint]

No
Just bad ones

[barren zephyr]

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

Dude you've never played against Pachy have you?

[manic flint]

Pachy is a bit too good but it can still be killed by a carno

[barren zephyr]

Yeah if it doesn't just keep charging the carno. Thing can just sit in a bush all day

it's kind of hard to kill a pachy as carno when the pachy is protected by 3 million other herbivores

[manic flint]

Pachy isn't immune to damage or something

[manic flint]

That's a whole other can of worms...

[obtuse ravine]

you volunteered for this role. Either you care about exploitation in the game for which you volunteered to "moderate discord" or you don't. I'm not you errand boy. Either take feedback and deal with it responsibly or don't.

[barren zephyr]

It is kinda bc they just charge you and you cannot hit them

[limber hull]

Jesus this man digging a grave lmao

[obtuse ravine]

I don't care

[barren zephyr]

but yeah if the pachy is alone it's an easy kill as carno

[manic flint]

Just hit it's side
Don't attack it when it's charging lmao

Do you run into teno tail slams too?

[icy lion]

I'd love to, but sadly I am not in possession of the video that you recorded. The developers and server admins have been fighting and banning hackers for a long time, and it'd be helpful for you to assist

[barren zephyr]

Dude LMAO

you can bait its charge by running in front of it then turning to the side quickly, free bites

You're one of the biggest clowns I've met in this discord no cap

[obtuse ravine]

I'll send the video

[manic flint]

Sure dude

[barren zephyr]

Mf you don't play the isle it looks like

[obtuse ravine]

where does it need to be sent?

[barren zephyr]

ive killed 3 carnos as a pachy dude, pachy is op

🤡

[indigo hawk]

no pachy is op but kill able

[icy lion]

Like I said, you can dm any of the server admins (yellow names) on the right-hand pane

[manic flint]

I'm not saying pachy isn't too good
I'm saying that its killable

[obtuse ravine]

sounds good

TY

[barren zephyr]

i wouldn't say pachy is OP. more so of it being a little too good

def needs tweaks

[indigo hawk]

yh

for example i was a fully grown carno and wwas hunted down by 3 pachys i killed 2 of them

[manic flint]

Pachy's stun needs a nerf

[indigo hawk]

yh

[manic flint]

Pachy isn't impossible to kill

But def too good