general-feedback-discussion

[paper oriole]

Hes even smaller than minmi yeah

[rugged quarry]

I wouldn’t hate if it replaced minmi solely because of cool factor

[fallen cargo]

But what about cute swamp gofer Minmi, I love its dumb lil face lol

[rugged quarry]

Both would get treated exactly like how gators treat turtles when in contact with anything substantially sized

[fallen cargo]

True

But it could be a river dweller (the minmi)

[gray loom]

@wet cliff It doesnt need a nerf, stego was just way too powerful of an animal to be introduced at the time. The only thing that I think needs balancing for the stego, is the ability for deino to hold it in place. Or maybe with 2 deinos holding it, even pull it into the water.

[echo tiger]

Stego absolutely needs a nerf for the current roster. Be it it's bleed pool or a reduction of its damage for now.

They're too much of a problem until something that can actually deal with it comes along like allo or alberto or sucho perhaps

[limber hull]

bleed pool cant exactly be reduced because its linked to weight, and IDK what a damage reduction would actually do

[echo tiger]

Well pachy and utah are about the same weight and utah has significantly better bleed resist than pachy

and it's 450kg

It can be done

[limber hull]

it does not

utah has the exact same bleed resist

(which is none)

the only animal in the game with bleed resist is deino

every other animal has jackshit when it comes to bleed resist

[lament pecan]

@tribal heart 15% might be too much Imo

[tribal heart]

well, then make it 10%. But this would be a huge motivation for example Utahs to have a perfect diet.

i also suggested a: -25% stamina drain once when pouncing.

[lethal quartz]

Yep. Agreed. If we have to have more playables, it should be a few more flyers and maybe one medium-sized omni.

other than that, the roster is fine. Over-bloated, even.

[limber hull]

Very much doubt that 100 player server limit will stay with 56 playable animals personally

[lethal quartz]

agreed, the server count will probably go up to 150-200 at some point, at least.

and then of course, there's the players not bothering to play certain species

[outer sphinx]

Eye made a comment on how this can be done, smth similar to other ideas here, the devs will make multiple maps, so make each map have a theme around it, and dinos from that theme, so a more swampy map will have a lot more pterosaurs and semi aquatics etc, at least i'd love it this is the way they do it, granted this is best if they can make more servers

[barren zephyr]

@stray holly lets not give the fastest thing in the game that's also a mid tier a CC ability

[jovial crow]

A 100 already is too little and we only have a quarter of the map available, it is difficult to see other dinos in some of the areas, so when the full map release the server cap should be over 4 digits, the other option would be to have hundreds of AI, what would affect not only server stability but the optimization, a thing that already is a problem

[stray holly]

I don’t think it’d be an issue. Seeing as how almost everything it hunts has one.

[barren zephyr]

Yeah because that's how they deal with enemies, Carno is an "ambush" hunter, giving it CC would make it a brawler and extremely overpowered. People would use it to counter pounce (already easy to dodge), and knock over their prey after baiting out only a single attack, and the way stuns work, it'd override tail slam probably anyway

[stray holly]

Tail slam should take the priority in that situation. However, if a mid tier like carno shouldn’t have a CC ability, a teno is on the same tier as a carno. Why should it have a CC ability and not the carno? I added to the post it should take a substantial amount of stamina to perform an alt attack, keeping it as something you wouldn’t frequently use.

[barren zephyr]

By putting teno and Carno on equal if not unfair (to the teno) footing, then no one will want to play teno because something that is faster and has more health than they do while being able to do the same thing is miles than them

[stray holly]

Stamina pool increase and a slight speed increase would remedy that.

[barren zephyr]

Because teno is a defensive animal, not a predator, that has to often deal with multiple attackers and needs stuns to aid it in that and not have it die instantly?

[stray holly]

That’s a good point. However you need to remember this is a game. And I’ve seen herds of like 3-4 Tenos hunt down packs of carnos when it should be the other way around.

[barren zephyr]

Anecdotes don't change anything, the fact of the matter is that tenos only where it is because of its stuns, and the fact that something usually has to get the drop on it to kill it, letting the fastest thing the game walk up to it, bait one attack and then knock it over gets rid of the only true advantages it has other than high damage

Carno with an ability like that just becomes Pachy but instead of fractures you have a 175 damage spam able bite attack which allows you to insta kill anything you knock down or get it very low in a single cycle

[stray holly]

Carnos alt attack shouldn’t be able to knock over an animal of Tenos size. In this proposal, it’d only stun it. Similar to how the Tenos tail slam only stuns an adult carno instead of knocking it on its ass. The attack would be more for knocking down the smaller foes like Utah and Pachy. While giving a small stun to bigger prey like Tenos.

[barren zephyr]

That still stops it from moving or attacking, letting you bite it at least twice, where it can't do anything about it, in an encounter where it should only be punished this way due to being surprise attacked

And about Utah, it's gonna override pounce, that's inevitable, it wouldn't make sense if it didn't, Utah vs Carno fights in small packs would then go from hard to borderline impossible

[stray holly]

Do you even play Utah? Fighting carnos isn’t difficult at all as a Utah.

[barren zephyr]

And for Pachy, every CC ability overrides its ram, with some parrying, but the ones that do send it to the floor anyway, so you're able to immediately kill any Pachy who tries you despite being able to run away from them anyway

[barren zephyr]

It is? You're fighting very bad Carnos if you think it's not difficult to pull off with small groups, and even then one mistake can get you killed, giving Carnos CC makes using your only good attack your mistake and that's stupid

[limber hull]

How the hell are you consistently killing carnos as Utah wtf

How bad are these carnos

[barren zephyr]

That's what I'm saying, they can just run away if they aren't confident, but a decent Carno can still take 3 or 4 utahs

Quite easily

[stray holly]

Just practice man. We’ve killed carnos on all ranges of the IQ scale. Looking for openings to pounce and just bleeding them out.

[limber hull]

Carnos not only have the defensive advantage due to their speed, but the offensive advantage due to raw damage output

[barren zephyr]

Good Carnos don't...give you openings

[limber hull]

Any good carno worth their time can easily dispatch any overzealous utah, no matter how seasoned

[barren zephyr]

Unless there's too many of you to keep track of

[stray holly]

There’s usually 3 to 4 of us. 5 or 6 on a good day.

[limber hull]

Carno’s entire kit gives it an easy upper hand from the utah

3-4 sounds about right actually

[barren zephyr]

Packs of like 5-6+ is something to worry about as a solo carno, if the utahs are competent enough

[stray holly]

3-4 of us can take on a carno pair. Maybe 3 if one is incompetent.

[limber hull]

If you’re going in with those numbers, I can get that. Still, a good carno can often handle even those numbers

3-4 utahs v 2 carnos? Nah man, those some shit carnos

[stray holly]

How often we encounter carnos that know how to play the game is far and between however.

[limber hull]

TRUE LMAO

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, 5 or 6, and even then you can often lose packmates quite easily

But again, giving Carno a CC ability would just fuck with everything, you won't be able to touch a Carno that's paying attention to its surroundings, even if it chozes not to run

[limber hull]

Fuckin’ bet they’re U3 carno mains that still play like high-speed brawlers

[barren zephyr]

Carno players try not to fail at simple left click biting combat challenge (impossible)

[limber hull]

But the fact remains that giving a GOOD carno that kind of CC ability is extremely dangerous

[stray holly]

ROFL

[limber hull]

Since, while rare, good carnos can exist

[stray holly]

Same can be said for Utahs.

Most of the carnivore player base has a skill issue.

[barren zephyr]

Not even a good one, just anybody that has the basic senses really

[limber hull]

Carno can basically space out all of its opponents

And usually controls the pace of most of the fights it gets in

[barren zephyr]

Deino players be like "I'm a stealthy ambush predator? No worries, I know how to play"
runs 200 meters onto land to attack baby stego

[stray holly]

Sometimes that’s the only food around for miles.

Sucks for Deino gameplay

[barren zephyr]

The stego gotta be blind and deaf to not just move out the way tho

[stray holly]

You just described 98% of the player base

The amount of people with 0 spacial awareness is astonishing to me

[barren zephyr]

Facts

[barren zephyr]

Reminds me of the time I killed the whole ass chaos insurgency team by hiding behind the same corner everytime in secret lab

You're supposed to develop object permanence when you're like a toddler or some shit

[limber hull]

You fucker you gave me flashbacks with that shit

Now I gotta harass the SL staff team to hire me a third time

[barren zephyr]

Skill issue

The best secret lab players are the ones that charge the facility guards as dog at the start of the game and get themselves to 400 health barely killing one person

[limber hull]

Truly

Honestly SL just makes me mad because despite all my work and all the work of the people who came after me it’s still got dog water game design

[barren zephyr]

I think that's why it's so fun

It's just, terrible, it's a stupid, nonsensical party game and it's great

096 is still completely broken though and I hate dying to him, but the rest you can just laugh about cause the game is dumb fun

[limber hull]

096 was one of my fave works lmao

I genuinely enjoyed designing that guy

Too bad it got massively over-modified last minute without my go-ahead and he ended up being half of what we wanted him to be

[barren zephyr]

Were you on the team when the scopophobia update was in development?

[limber hull]

Yes

I also worked on the 173 rework. A lot

[barren zephyr]

Why would you let his enrage timer get up to a minute long bro?! Or was that a change out of your control

[limber hull]

Oh no that was intentional. Stopped people from constantly waiting out the rage by knowing the exact moment it ended

[barren zephyr]

Yeah I get that but the amount of times I've skill issued the entire mtf by camping their spawn on surface and took no base health because of how long it can last, it should cap at around 30

[limber hull]

Also since 096 had tons of nerfs, especially to the fact that he could legit hold LMB and wipe out whole squads due to one guy looking at him

[barren zephyr]

Oh yeah, the old sight system

[limber hull]

And the old attack system

[barren zephyr]

I never played much before scopophobia but that was not preferable

[stray holly]

5 people upvoted my shit

[limber hull]

Trust me dude, I worked fucking hard to try and make playables that were actually fun and not COMPLETELY broken. Unfortunately, playtesting quickly shows flaws in the overall design

I love game design it’s like my fave shit

[barren zephyr]

That's where the phrase "Good on paper" comes from

Testing an idea very fun and definitely doesn't make you feel stupid

[low canopy]

🤮 new animations just to do headbutt? no thx, that would be half a decade + to development cycle

[limber hull]

Nah dude, I’m usually shocked at how good it turns out from paper to gameplay until someone figures out how to abuse the fuck out of a system or a programmer misunderstood my document and makes it do something completely wrong

[stray holly]

https://tenor.com/view/suffer-now-suffer-elmo-evil-evil-laugh-gif-13063727

[barren zephyr]

Were you around for the creation of 939?

How many people didn't realise you could hold down the attack while testing

[limber hull]

Yes and I hated how they butchered him

He was meant to be SO MUCH COOLER

But he’s getting reworked and I probably will have had something to do with his finalised rework so meh I still win

[barren zephyr]

Give it a lunge

I'm going to assume Plague will also be getting a rework because it's the only scp left with really basic mechanic gameplay

[limber hull]

Plague and 106

[barren zephyr]

106 is getting a rework?

[limber hull]

IMO he needs it the most lmao

[barren zephyr]

It has a good chunk of detail to its design, but I guess it's pretty boring to play and hasn't been changed much since release

[limber hull]

Yes he is

106 is the exact example of everything I hate in design. Feels cheated by its own core design. Pocket dimension and femur breaker are WHOLLY unsatisfying in many circumstances

[barren zephyr]

The moment when you can't use your portals cause you need one in your own room at all times to not get immediately contained

[limber hull]

Exactly

My philosophy is “If this feels like utter shit to me, it’s going to feel like utter shit to other people, so let’s do our best to NOT have that”

Shockingly a lot of game designers genuinely cannot see when they make a thing which either sucks to play as or against

[barren zephyr]

It's at the point where I constantly play on unlimited so if I get 106 I can just switch to dog in 914

[steel flower]

@stray holly how the fuck is a Pachy supposed to ram a Carno to fracture it and run away if the mf-er can just deny that with an alt attack and then spam bite the Pachy to death. I legit have no idea how tf your suggestion got even a single upvote

[stray holly]

The amount of success giving a carno a fracture of some kind should offset that. Make the Pachy’s head ram take priority over the alt attack of the carno.

On top of which, there’s really no reason one Pachy should be able to 1v1 a carno.

[steel flower]

And what about Utah pounce and Teno slam? Should those take priority over the Carno stun as well? If they don't then pouncing a Carno would be literally useless and a Teno couldn't punish a Carno for face tanking its tail, but if they do take priority then why even give Carno a stun in the first place because at that point every ability in the game overrides it

[steel flower]

I never even made that point, I said a Pachy needs to fracture a Carno to run away

[stray holly]

Teno tail slam should take priority over the alt attack. If a carno happens to hit the teno with it, it would only stun the teno for a second like the Tenos tail slam does to a carno.

[steel flower]

Giving Carno a stationary stun is stupid and pointless, it would deny the thing's entire playstyle of ambushing with its charge since it can do the same thing just sitting still

[stray holly]

As for pouncing as a Utah, I’ve found it way easy to pounce carnos as Utahs. But my compatriots have also given the insight of most carnos having a skill issue.

[barren zephyr]

Pachy players on their way to defend themselves from a Carno attack only to body fracture them after 5 hits, the Carno to run away and come back the moment they've healed

[steel flower]

This is just adding stuff to Carno for the sake of it because "it would be cool" and "it makes sense" when in reality it doesn't fucking need it

[stray holly]

Pachy players on their way to give a carno every possible fracture:

https://tenor.com/view/ilya-muromets-fantasy-army-armies-attack-gif-23651289

[barren zephyr]

I do think the ability to stun lock Carnos needs changing but giving it a whole ass broken fight ending ability which also effects other Matchups that don't need changing is a lot more effort and a lot more ridiculous than fixing stun locks

[steel flower]

Compelling argument

[stray holly]

The suggestion was more for giving carnos an extra hand in countering the mass amounts of pachys that roam the map looking to kill anything that moves. Tenos do the same thing but there’s a lot less of them.

[steel flower]

Giving Carno a stationary stun would make it nearly unapproachable for things like Pachy and Utah, it's dumb and doesn't need to happen

[steel flower]

And giving Carno a broken ass stun would fix that problem but create all new ones so how about just fix Pachy's ability to stun lock instead of buffing the shit out of an already powerful dinosaur?

[barren zephyr]

I'd definitely argue that'd make it much more broken than it ever was before the turn nerf

[steel flower]

Plus you suggested that Pachy's ram should take priority over the Carno headbutt so how would it even fix the problem of Pachy's stun locking it?

[stray holly]

I never thought about that.

That’s a good point.

[steel flower]

Also why would a Carno have the same stun duration as a Teno tail slam. Stunning things while stationary is Teno's whole thing, why would you give that to another dinosaur, let alone Carno who already has speed and weight over the Teno

[barren zephyr]

Oh god poor wes, he's not used to evrima, he expects Pachys not to be aggro

[rugged quarry]

Even if you guys don’t think Suminia should be added I would still like there to be a creature that is undetectable to a sense other than sight, camo is prevalent among all of the entries when skins are added.

[barren zephyr]

Please give us an auto run to keep us from getting carpel tunnel

@crystal trail No joke on the auto run feature. Will definitely help with carpel tunnel.

[signal beacon]

I dont think we need another large therapod carnivore

[plush scaffold]

we have rex, giga, spino and acro, all serving different niches in the game, thats not that many, especially if sauropods are gonna be added to the game which will take away some gigas away from hunting smaller dinos, the whole ecosystem of the game is way different than legacy and i think with the proper implementation, balance and adding the right diet that it needs, it could be a viable addition

and being in its situation, it will be weak to larger predators and probably keep its numbers down, and it will also be incredibly hard to grow these large dinos in evrima with all these small baby eaters that are being added

[signal beacon]

So it's just bigger allo?

[paper oriole]

Literally

[signal beacon]

List of large carnivores.
Allosaurus.
Albertosaurus
Suchomimus
Ceratosaurus (kinda)
Acrocanthosaurus
Giganotosaurus
Tyrannosaurus
Spinosaurus

Like we dont need that many of these

[plush scaffold]

Allo, alberto, and cera are not large lmao

medium at best

[paper oriole]

still hough we have 3 allosaur relatives (allo, acro, giga) occupying mid, psuedo apex and apex tier, and possibly a carcha skin for giga coming

[plush scaffold]

so then possibly saurophaganax skin for acro? sound more resonable?

[honest sparrow]

How tf you putting cera as large when even bary is bigger than it

[paper oriole]

cera is like psuedo mid with carno

i guess they mean large as in today's standards

compared to a human large lol

[honest sparrow]

That would classify low tiers as large

Fucking troodon could be considered a mid sized predator

[paper oriole]

yeah true

velociraptor would probably be an apex in some modern day ecosystems lol

[honest sparrow]

Drop velo on a random ass island

[paper oriole]

drop velos in to new zealand or some shit

[honest sparrow]

Fuck it, put them into Australia

[paper oriole]

ecosystem just collapses lmao

[honest sparrow]

Already happening

Just spicing it up a little

[paper oriole]

yeah even domestic cats were enough for australia

pigs wrecking new zealand

[honest sparrow]

I mean tbf nz is probably the closest possible ecosystem to the Mesozoic you could drop a dino into

[crude girder]

@tidal rose dont really have the time to discuss this atm, but isnt carrying something on your back a lot easier than in your arms held out in front of you?

Especially when flying, 50kg at the end of a long beak is gonna pitch the ptera into a faceplant, but on its back, its right over the center of mass

[paper oriole]

Also wasnt there a sort of community vote on whether ptera could fly while being pounced by a baby raptor or not, like the originally planned to fix it? Or was that whole thing a joke

And yeah ptera's wimpy ass neck and long smooth beak would look stupid supporting that much weight in flight, it's a lot easier to bare weight with your body

[limber hull]

TBF, flying a ptera as a juvi raptor is both hilarious and fun

One thing I find weird is that pteras can BUCK while flying and it cancels out their flying anim

[paper oriole]

It is, and it doesn’t look quite as ridiculous or give ptera an ability that doesnt fit its niche

[paper oriole]

The isle

[tidal rose]

@crude girder Yes it is easier, but not THAT much easier. If a ptera can fly up with a 89 kilo utahraptor, it could at least pick up a 12 kilo one. Especially with how big the fish are a ptera catches. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/351403138529624067/916738852675260446/unknown.png

I am not saying a ptera should be able to lift up corpses in its beak with 90 kg. But at least let them lift SOMETHING the size of a new spawned utah lol.

Plus, if a baby utah jumps and a ptera hits it, it should be the baby utah going flying not the full adult ptera that weights about 8 times more than the utah lol.

We are talking about an animal that has a neck capable of supporting skim feeding and any impacts it would impose, plus the strain yanking a fish out of water by smacking in to it with your beak.

[lyric spoke]

So I've been watching some of my old clips from back in early 2021 of evrima.

Anyone else feel like the game looks worse than it used to??? It's mainly the lighting changes. Everything seems so much harsher on the eyes, watching old clips reminds me of how nice the game was just to look at. Textures and all that have gotten better but somehow im missing something when looking at the environments now in comparison to Update 3. Possibly a color pallet issue?

[crude girder]

Part of that is due to the discrepancy with fish food value related to visual size, otherwise I do see your point, I was just trying to give some justification for something which is purely due to mechanical differences

To accomplish what you are proposing we either have to increase the carry threshold for Ptera, or we need to add a new state to the pounce which allows flight between certain sizes

[crude girder]

As for this, all I can really say is I hope this is possible with trample damage, cause it isn't atm

[tidal rose]

I think just up the carry size of ptera to like 15kg. Right now its I think 1/10th of its size. so it can carry a newly spawned dryo at like 8kg and thats about it

15 kg would give enough leeway for it to carry off a fresh spawned utah at least but a bigger one would be a no go

[crude girder]

I can double check that actually

[tidal rose]

ofcourse in all cases i mean dead bodies not living ones

[crude girder]

Carry values are shared across all animals

[tidal rose]

I tested it with baby dryos. You can't carry a baby utah which is 12kg but you can a baby dryo

Oh hmm

[crude girder]

1/10th is spot on yeah

any larger and it becomes a dragged corpse, which prevents Ptera from being able to lift off

[tidal rose]

Yeah me and another dude did some tests with baby dryos

[crude girder]

Odds are that the 12kg dryo you tested was actually something like 11.9999kg or whatever

[tidal rose]

But yeah... theres just a big gap between what ptera can carry while it is shanking it in the kidneys versus in the mouth

[crude girder]

wait actually hold on that still doesn't make any sense, a 12kg dryo should be too heavy

[tidal rose]

Oh no, i mean i couldnt pick up a dryo over 10kg

[crude girder]

yeah okay that makes more sense

[tidal rose]

or was it 9

[crude girder]

well Ptera is 90kg so

[tidal rose]

something like that. I know a fresh spawned dryo is 8

[crude girder]

8?

[tidal rose]

kg

so at about 5% growth a baby dryo is too big to be carried

[crude girder]

mind double checking that for me

[tidal rose]

i think

[crude girder]

cause it should be spawning in at 3.24kg

[tidal rose]

uhh cant atm, playing a game

Oh. I might be off then

[crude girder]

understood, I can check it myself here

[tidal rose]

Nah nah im probably wrong.

[crude girder]

wouldn't hurt to look at lol

but yeah there is a huge difference, but the amount of difference you can realistically do is kinda limited with how the mechanics work

[tidal rose]

fair, but im sure the devs could do some magic on it? idk

figured it point it out is all, since i am totally a supporter of the baby snatcher ptera idea

[crude girder]

Yeah it's basically just a matter of how pounce is coded atm, we'd need a new state added to it which would prevent a Ptera from flying if the Utah is a certain % of its mass or whatever

[tidal rose]

Yeah well who knows. Up to the devs

[limber hull]

i actually prefer the new lighting, to an extent. The days are more vibrant and the nights especially are a huge improvement, although the loss of the foggy atmosphere through the day is a bit sad, it fitted more with temperate legacy than tropical EVRIMA

Comparing the two, you can see a vast difference, although I'd say the new lighting better suits the aesthetic of the Isle EVRIMA's tropical setting

[limber hull]

@jade schooner To add to that, I'd actually make diets both decay significantly faster than hunger but also be replenished significantly faster, so that AFK growth can still be punished accordingly while allowing the player to survive longer durations without eating. Although, personally, I've never had a problem with starvation in EVRIMA, due to the condensed player locations and food spawns, maybe with better map design and more split player activity we might actually find starvation an issue

My issue with food in EVRIMA is not how fast it decreases, but how much is needed for a full stomach

[tidal rose]

@limber hull maybe it would be possible to make non diet meat give more hunger. It doesn't get nutrients but fills you up so you don't starve. Like junk food from mcdonalds.

[gray loom]

^thats probably the best option

[limber hull]

yea but its still ridiculous how much you, as a single utah, can eat from a single adult teno before being full

[tidal rose]

@limber hull Oh I undoubtedly agree. Here are some experiences I have had. 1st - A single carno ate a whole teno once. 2nd - Four carnos killed a 90% steg and we didn't even get filled up with it. It's like a 5 ton animal... really? And my favorite one. 3rd one - I once ate a full adult carno as a carno in one go.

[limber hull]

yep

all true and all annoying

i'm FINE with keeping herbivores strong as they are atm, but the reward for killing these opponents needs to be greater, like irl hunting

i actually like the idea of carnivores eating less and having harder times in hunts with more difficult to kill prey items, HOWEVER, they should rewarded in a sufficient and realistic sense

ESPECIALLY with animals such as utah, which are heavily encouraged to fight animals much larger than themselves. A pachy should be more than enough to feed 2 utahs, and a stego should be sufficient to provide for a whole hungry pack

[tidal rose]

Agreed. In update 2 I loved getting food and water and relaxing for a bit. But the devs have destroyed any semblance of relaxation. I feel like my ass is on fire constantly finding food and water to the point it's mentally exhausting and I don't feel like playing much. I don't like the constant pressure and if I should be able to either explore or sit on a rock for a bit. Hell, how the hell do they expect one to make a nest and raise the dinosaurs and protect them and get the vast amount of food needed.

[limber hull]

true as

[outer sphinx]

90? it wasnt like 60?

[outer sphinx]

that if 2 utahs can take a pachy that knows to ALT lel

[limber hull]

man used every single emote besides basic number emotes lmao

[outer sphinx]

avg emote user

[limber hull]

i just voted 3 because i dont buy into his little scheme

[outer sphinx]

lol

[limber hull]

i'll vote with numbers like an adult

[tame jetty]

@worldly ginkgo I thought about this before, and I agree, it would be a very nice thing to make and give to us who played very old Isle back in the start, and up to new legacy isle. Would be fun to show our long support of the game in evrima once Legacy isle is gone., and only evrima is optional xD

[limber hull]

legacy gonna die tho lmao

[deft linden]

Legacy still has more players. Might be a long time before it vanishes

[limber hull]

i mean, its not like the devs really care about that, it's very likely one day legacy will just be gone

@echo tiger hard disagree lmao, i found the old island's appearance far more boring and uninteresting. Walking through a dense jungle while being stalked by raptors seems MUCH better than walking through vast open plains with trees sometimes being dotted around and barely any foliage to hide in most of the time

[echo tiger]

Each to their own, jungles are fucking impossible for me and i hate how thats the gold standard in dino media

It would be cool if there were a multitude of biomes

[limber hull]

plus, I find the opposite, redwood is overdone to death for me. Don't get me wrong, I love redwoods, but i'd prefer they stick to their plans and make it a smaller biome rather than the whole map

i much prefer the warm tropical setting

[outer sphinx]

imo just fill the map with multiple biomes/ make multiple maps, there are no dominant biomes

[echo tiger]

Grim expanse

[barren zephyr]

There should be 2 redwoods

A smaller one somewhere in the map

Then a bigger one near the outskirts

All about spreading out the hotspots

[barren zephyr]

Plains and jungles

Dominant biomes

[outer sphinx]

where you put the biomes only matters so much if diets give no fuck about them

[barren zephyr]

V3 and thenyaw are good examples of map design

[outer sphinx]

even u2 spiro ngl, not the best but good

[barren zephyr]

V3 had plenty of hotspots and thenyaw had variety for a smaller map

[limber hull]

Hypsi actually is supposed to have diets in redwoods according to the thing lmao

[barren zephyr]

I know

Stuff I see in redwoods is
Hypsi
Utah
Dilo
Cera
Herrera
Mono
Diablo
Quetz

[limber hull]

i see redwoods as a place where a fuckton of apexes would live personally lmao

[barren zephyr]

Ehhh

[outer sphinx]

ngl, specifying where utah would live is kinda pointless as its supposed to live everywhere except water biomes

[barren zephyr]

Apexs would probably be more jungle based

[outer sphinx]

with how jungles are rn, def, they need the space

[barren zephyr]

Besides like spino and cheirus which would be water based

Ish

[limber hull]

well yes

but i could easily see shit like anky or trike vibing in redwoods

[barren zephyr]

Ngl arid apex’s breaking into nesting grounds when

[limber hull]

but then again i see anky vibing wherever

it really would not care because barely anything can kill it

[barren zephyr]

Anky could be a arid and plains

[outer sphinx]

i never got this, why has it to be a nesting ground? like for some dinos ig but why should they be locked to a region, we see how shit this is rn, is there smth i;m missing?

[barren zephyr]

I don’t think they’ll be region locked

What I hope it is, is you can nest anywhere but you have preferred places you can nest (nesting grounds) which could give you some sort of nesting boost or something

[outer sphinx]

nesting as i see is where ever you find a suitable spot, maybe with limitations in terms of biomes

[barren zephyr]

If you would probably just choose to nest wherever most of your prey goes

Herbivores nesting at hotspots and carnivores usually nesting on the outskirts of those hotspots

[outer sphinx]

imo there should be no hotspots

[barren zephyr]

There will be

There will always be at least one spot players figure out will give them the best stuff

So having multiple spread out could kinda give them more options and spread players out

[outer sphinx]

if the game allows that, if diets are evened out, every water source has its risks and pros hotspots will form much harder if at all

[limber hull]

wouldn't nesting grounds help alleviate some issues with hotspots, since those hotspots will be migrated away from for nesting, meaning that more people will migrate to more places to complete certain tasks rather than just, you know, nesting near the pre-existing hotspot

[barren zephyr]

Yes

Nesting grounds will probably be hotspots

[limber hull]

yea but for a different purpose

it means that people don't stay near ONE hotspot

[barren zephyr]

Yes

[limber hull]

they'd actually move from hotspot A to reach hotspot B

[barren zephyr]

And rivers should be between those hotspots so let deinos get there chance at travelers

[limber hull]

the solution to hotspots isn't to remove hotspots, it's to add more of them all over the map for different biomes, animals and purposes, until the entire map essentially becomes a hotspot

[barren zephyr]

^

[outer sphinx]

so it the same idea as removing hotposts, everything is one or none depending how you look at it

[limber hull]

yes, kind of, but no

because "removing hotspots" isn't possible

[outer sphinx]

like with the 50% glass of water, half full or empty

[limber hull]

and in fact, it's very natural and realistic to have hotspots

[barren zephyr]

You can’t remove a hotspot without creating another somewhere else

[limber hull]

animals usually gather around a watering hole and whatnot

[barren zephyr]

I remember when they said they were gonna spread out diets

Yet here we are

[outer sphinx]

they said a lot...

[barren zephyr]

They need to push a patch out with the stuff spread out and a stego nerf

I’ll still never get why they decided on giving us stego early. Even if it’s done it was a mistake

[stray holly]

I believe it’s to get people used to the idea of having another mechanic to manage in the game.

Next update, allegedly diets will be spread out a lot further than before.

[barren zephyr]

No I mean before update 4 was released near the end of the mechanic test

Think 4 months is good enough to know a mechanic

[stray holly]

Well, most of this player base has a more casual mindset when it comes to playing the game. I feel like when they REALLY make diets difficult to obtain, it’s gonna weed out the mfs that are willing to play with that (alleged difficult mechanic) and the mfs that are gonna say “fuck this it’s too hard, going back to legacy.”

[echo tiger]

Yeah heres hoping they make herbivores actually hard to grow

Cause carnivores have it so much fucking worse especially with the food drain, i wish they also expanded diets abit more cause it would open alot of competition and niches

[barren zephyr]

Didn’t they say they wanna make herbivores the preferred play style because it will be much chiller and easy than a Carnivore who will have to hunt all the time

[outer sphinx]

yep, your food doesnt run nor fight, but that doesnt meant make them busted

[stray holly]

There’s two arguments to be made. But I think it depends on the perspective of the player. On the one hand, you have a species of dinosaur that spends a lot of time roaming the map, looking for its preferred food, while dodging predators in different spots. On the other hand, you have a species that can get all three items as a juvie at the beginning, but have to manage it as best you can as an adult for the rest of your life. That food running for its life and defending itself being a factor.

I think it all depends on what YOU as the player view as more difficult.

I myself haven’t found either being a predator or prey creature to be substantially difficult as of yet.

[outer sphinx]

how could it? all of the herbi food is in 1 spot and carnis can barely fight their prey

[stray holly]

I think the difficult part of the game for carnivores is teamwork.

I haven’t had to deal with that because I’m part of a group of competent players that uses VC to communicate and coordinate hunts. Substantially more difficult when playing with randoms and having to communicate with the chat box.

[barren zephyr]

I mean it’s how your supposed to play

Is the chat box

And tbf we have two creatures who aren’t meant to be hunting much. Utah hunts in groups which isn’t always gonna be how it is. While Carno is more of a kill tenos pachys and others around that size

[outer sphinx]

utah balancing sucks rn, its designed to only be viable in packs which is the epidemy of bs, a pack shouldnt be what makes smth viable, for utah its what allows it to punch up its braket

[tidal rose]

is apexes can stay in the redwoods and leave the rest of the players alone im fine with that. I personally am a fan of the smaller animals. Rexes begone

[icy flare]

yo question how to get over 58 fps

i tried all diffrent kinds of settings and it doenst matter if i have all setting on low or epic my fps is not getting higher then 58 never saw 59 or higher.

btw i dont see any kind of difference in the grafik from epic to low except in the shaddows . the grafik only looks shit when i do renderscaling down but that also doenst effect the locked 58 fps .

my specs :

144 hz monitor

CPU:
AMD Ryzen 7 3800X 3.9 GHz 8-Core Processor
GPU:
Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti
Motherboard:
MSI B550 Gaming Plus
Memory:
32 GB G.Skill Ripjaws
Storage:
1TB Samsung SSD

thanks in advance

[sacred moat]

Why would all of the apexes stay in the red woods?

[tidal rose]

I was going off of what wavepole said plus I wasn't being serious.

[barren zephyr]

I mean it’s a pack hunter but is a good scavenger when alone being the 2nd fastest carnivore

Lone Utahs are good scavengers

[tidal rose]

there is nothing that makes utah a better scavenger than another dinosaur lol.

[outer sphinx]

the fact its fast and/or small makes a lot of dinos good scavangers so that doesnt hold any water

[tidal rose]

Well I mean I guess? Technically scavenging is just eating a body you didn't kill. If you mean they are good at eating stealthily or stealing food then yes size and speed is a factor. A good scavenger, like a vulture can often smell a carcass from much further away than other animals. Utah doesn't really have that.

[west zephyr]

Is there anyone that has found a way to reduce lag input on Evrima? It's intense and im sitting on RTX and 32 ram, but getting dropped to 8-10 FPS?

[tidal rose]

@outer sphinx

[jade schooner]

Thank you for the feedback. Like I mentioned, I haven't played the update 4, so I wonder: how fast is the current diet drain?

Ideally, the way the devs seem to want to make the diets work, there should be 2 dietary items that are common, my take would be lipid and carbs rich for herbivores, and for carnivores, it would be lipids and protein. And the last one (protein for herbis and carbs for carnis). That way, the most common items would be a "faster" drain, but easy to come by, meanwhile the hard nutrient could drain slower than the others to justify for its rarity.

That's one idea.

What more could be done about it? Any ideas?

[tidal rose]

@jade schooner Update food drain is very generous, the problem is food doesn't give you anything. It doesn't matter if your food drain is like 40-50 minutes if a carno can eat a whole carno in one sitting and has to hunt again.

[jade schooner]

That's another thing I want to point in a new suggestion I'm planning. Thank you for the feedback! I'll take it to note

[tidal rose]

@jade schooner What also I am worried about is in the gore update, when bodies decay and rot. there will be even less food to go around. And if the food gain is so bad it will just spiral out of control

[jade schooner]

Carno as reference:
I feel like one Utah or Pachy should be enough to fill up a carno. Realistically, should be even less, but that gives enough reason to hunt certain size dinos.
Tenonto 2 carnos
A carno should fill at least 2-3 carnos.
A stego? 4-5

There should be a balance on how much food one gets

[tidal rose]

Funny thing with a steg

we hunted down a steg that was like 90% grown. we were four carnos and the stego played like ass

[jade schooner]

And just like you mention, with rot, it'll be even more complicated

[tidal rose]

four of us ate, and we got like... 30% hunger and then the body was gone

so after killing a freaking stegosaur... we had to resort to cannibalism

[jade schooner]

seriously?

[tidal rose]

Yep

[jade schooner]

XD

Oh gods, that's tragicomic

[tidal rose]

We ended up merking a few carnos to eat

Maybe it was around a 80% grown steg, but it was almost grown for sure

either way thats several tons of food, which didn't even fill us up

[jade schooner]

Still, they should give tons of food. Keyword should

[tidal rose]

should, yes.

Tbh I think your values are still very iffy. Animals like lions after a hunt will eat the same prey for a long time, so a single teno should at least be able to feed 3 carnos

Encourage a pack of carnos to try to single out a single teno and not go on a massacre

[jade schooner]

It's kinda sad. I mean, the way we're discussing, and what I implied in my suggestion, yes, it would make gameplay a little slower, and what not. But at least you'd be eating properly, and have enough balance to still be careful about predators

[tidal rose]

my problem with the game is, carnivores are encouraged to go on mass killing sprees

constantly having to kill something for a nutrient or not to starve

its mentally exhausting man

[jade schooner]

exactly. Or a galli. When it comes eventually, carnos being the fastest ones, I feel Galli should be a preferred prey item. Ideally hunting 2 in a pack to fill up a duo of carnos

[tidal rose]

I like slower gameplay. I want time to explore and rest, I don't want to constantly run between shallows and center pond like a mad man who's ass is on fire just to survive.

[jade schooner]

A slower gameplay, with the slower growth they implemented with diets, would be even more justified kinda. Making your death even more drastic

[tidal rose]

I like to stalk, I like to sneak. I like to do stealth attacks. In update 2 we could follow a herd of stegs for a long time, waiting for a baby to split off and then massacring it. In update 4, most stealth is a waste of time and you just run in and try to get the baby steg while the parents are running around helpless. I want to be stealthy again and sneaky

Most stealth that is done these days is just sitting in a bush for a bit before attacking

everyone is sprinting after everyone

I want things to slow down

[jade schooner]

Yea. It would give more chances to act out "naturally". Even stalking at broad daylight would be justified that way. You don't know if they're hungry or just looking by. But the tension is there. It would allow more proper stealth and sneaks and ambushes, without worrying your hunger or thirst will be drained during your calculations.

Also, what I mentioned: less water and food inflicting your stamina gain or drain, that would give enough reason for more drastic strategies.

But ideally like, the drain starts to be noticeable after 2/3rds or half of your hunger/thirst drain. So it's not too much. But, hopefully the effects on your stamina would start to be more and more noticeable once you're past that threshold

[tidal rose]

I personally play the game to get immersed in to a dinosaur scene, not to go on killing sprees.

Yeah its fun murdering some one from time to time, but I am not above a peaceful solution as long as my survival needs are met.

[jade schooner]

Exactly. And even then, you can still be a murder machine. Just start living on the edge lol

[tidal rose]

Like I took this footage. I basically attacked a bunch of pachies and a juvie teno, they broke my leg instantly. So I retreated. If they attacked I would certainly take a few of them with me so it was a standoff. Another carno did the same thing except didn't retreat and kept fighting. It ended up being brutally murdered. At that point my leg had healed and I just kidn of.... walked up to the herbivores, 2 called and ate the carno and left.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-uf6VFXr2Q

[jade schooner]

That chunk looked huge and it barely went up lol

at least the hunger and thirst drain seem alright there

[tidal rose]

Even in the footage you can see 2 adult carnos convergint on the herbivores

i didnt stick around to help them because my food has been filled

so i went to get water

[jade schooner]

gotya

[tidal rose]

I just want to play a survival game lol

I ate my fill and at that point why kill the herbies

[jade schooner]

Exactly

[tidal rose]

Yeah, I wish more people played like that too

[jade schooner]

So, if you wouldn't mind helping me, for the suggestion. Points I want to include in the suggestion.

1. Bodies giving way more food than they currently do
2. More wiggle room before you puke when eating, not having it to just burst right away
3. Deinos having a huge hunger pool, meaning they can eat more, but therefore wait some more before finding new prey and not having to resort into cannibalism so often

What more could there be? Or be taken out. Or a better description XD

[solemn trellis]

Hello! just found this game on a TikTok of all places. Are there a lot of people that play this?

[signal beacon]

Yes but we all hate the game!

[solemn trellis]

haha, why is that?

[jade schooner]

Wrong chat, but yes and no. Better talk about it on #isle-discussion. Yes there are a lot, mostly passionate people. But many many many have been leaving due to the way development has been going

so, if you guys could move this to the other channel, that'd be nice. We're discussing feedback here <3

[tidal rose]

Right. Puking also shouldn't purge 100% of your nutrients. Nutrients should be at least partially already in your blood stream as well. Like leave a little bit. My friend once puked as a baby steg and had a shit time finding the third nutrient for like a hour. He was livid. You don't have to put it in your suggestion just mentioning my opinion on puking.

I agree with everything generally though. Also add maybe that if a food is big enough to make you puke in one go (like a baby ptera with a fish) maybe you can't swallow it in one go either? I mean... yknow.

Also herbivores need to be spread out more, their dietary plants need to get yeeted across the map so they bodyguard less (I am not against it as a whole to have herbies bodyguard) and them being more vulnerable. They are overpacking and mispacking to the point where a carnivore has no chance.

Look at this exact video for why a carnivore struggles to eat. #general-feedback message

[solemn trellis]

will do, thanks. (also new to discord so im trying to figure this out as well)

[tidal rose]

I mean yes, it was stupid for the utah to go in. But the utah could have a fighting chance possibly against a single pachy or a younger teno

[jade schooner]

I like that idea of food being too big to eat whole

But how to manage it aside from fish?

[tidal rose]

I... don't know. Maybe some kind of an icon that pops up when your dinosaur is about to puke with another bite? Or if it has something in its mouth that would make it puke. When you eat food and you overeat, you know that, right?

But besides the full stomach icon there is no indicator for a dinosaur which would in fact feel sick when eating that much.

So some kind of a warning / icon

[jade schooner]

Or maybe a hue change of the hunger icon (or thirst, maybe overdrinking could be a thing too), changing to yellow with an extra bite

an extra one going orange, and one more you're done

[tidal rose]

Yeah that would be fitting

hue would do the trick

[jade schooner]

Yea

[stray holly]

@barren zephyr may have been a hacker

[signal beacon]

Imagine playing as the strongest animal in the game and still needing hacks

[outer sphinx]

depression

[stray holly]

Seen plenty of deinos using ESP hacks with no shame

It’s sad really

[barren zephyr]

I hope not, that was crazy. We were Alt attacking him, someone even was up at the head. We were definitely doing damage, but he would just move forward slinging his tail.

We just couldn't do more damage than his tail could with him able to move forward. So there was no way to take him down

[hybrid matrix]

@wheat anchor I'm pretty sure it's STOL tech, not VTOL

[barren zephyr]

Did they disable AI?

Cannot find any rabbits or boars

[paper oriole]

Somebody ate them all

I find lots of boars at the west and south parts of the map usually but once theyre gone you gotta wait for a reset for them to return

[wheat anchor]

It's wierd that they chose to go that rout with terrestrial ai and not fish aswell

[barren zephyr]

Well, I can see why with Fish .. you're really limited on food options in the water and very few players stray near the water as it is.

[paper oriole]

I don’t think schooling fish classify as ai the way the land ai does. Does elite fish respawn without a reset? Cus i've never checked that

[wheat anchor]

Yes they do

That's why i think its super weird they went a different way with boars etc

[mossy marsh]

YO, I was playing with a friend of mine and then all of a sudden when I logged into NA3 I was a utah that was out of bounds. And I lost my 78% carno. Anybody hear about this happening before?

[paper oriole]

Try quicklogging

[wheat anchor]

Yeah i think i heard about someone saying that yesterday

[mossy marsh]

I have, 3 times.

I keep respawning as the utah

[paper oriole]

Its been a bug for a while surprised they havent fixed it lol

[mossy marsh]

I restarted my game

[paper oriole]

Oof

[wheat anchor]

Chances are you just have to die and respawn

[mossy marsh]

Is there a way I can request for my carno back? like a grow or something?

[wheat anchor]

I doubt the server admins would lift a finger for somethign like that

but you can allways trry to ping them

[mossy marsh]

As of now I have already killed the utah and I am a small juvie carno rn. I logged before I respawned, and I tried restarting and nothing, the carno was gone for good

[wheat anchor]

Yeah again. you can go to the server your on in the discord list and ping the admin with "<@&505047238674874368>"

but don't expect anything to happen

[mossy marsh]

ah shit that sucks

[wheat anchor]

Sadly yeah

I got stuck with a carno in a little hole and i tried pinging the server admins but no reply so i just have to starve it to death :^)

Maybe if you play on non official servers the admins are more helpful

not sure what tools they have available to them atm

[mossy marsh]

Huh, never thought to check out unofficial servers. Might check em out

[wheat anchor]

They tend to be a bit better when it comes to helping you out with things of that nature at least

[limber hull]

@keen willow i can guarantee you pachy runs for significantly longer than carno, it runs around the same duration a utah does, however, its much slower

[barren zephyr]

Way too little AI for Land Carnos

I've spent 5 baby carno lives looking for AI and i've only found one chicken.

Something definitely wrong with AI. It's like they're not spawning back

Any way to fix the bug where you go to respawn and it just sticks to your dead body?

[lavish quail]

I do not care for remodelled Utah

I like our shitty one

It adds to my Jp fever dream

[warm flame]

actually, it doesn't respawn, it only comes back on a server restart

[ancient panther]

Pteradon won't be able to pick up humans. They are light weight reptiles who are just skin and bones, especially since they have hallow bones I'm pretty sure

Especially the average human can be 100-300 pounds depending on their build I think

[signal beacon]

"B- but they picked up people in jurassic world?!?!"

[manic flint]

Lmao

[lavish quail]

WHAT

Is that like unironically suggested

Their like basically bones with extra steps

Aren’t they like 50kg?!?

[ancient panther]

hmm

75-95 lbs

i could carry a small child, but i dont think an adult would be possible

depending on their weight

[brittle stirrup]

are we not...capable of dying due to lack of stam in water?

im trying to die and im just....existing

[lavish quail]

Probably not deep enough water

[signal beacon]

I've tried to drown juvi carnos and no matter how long I'm in the water while my stam is at 0 the little fucker just didn't die

[lavish quail]

New glitch?

Very possible

[brittle stirrup]

i was in the middle of the river

like centres river

[brittle stirrup]

i eventually just hard logged after i was stuck starving the slowest saddest death

[jagged jewel]

and maybe more dinos than just juv utahraptor could enter to make it more fair when more dinos get added
this is why i want megalania to be added in relatively soon

[warm flame]

pretty sure it's because they removed sinking from 0 stamina, I'm glad about it but also mad cause I can't respawn easily

[outer sphinx]

just go at oasis and be an ass, you'll get killed eventually

[warm flame]

do anything as a carnivore in the eyesight of a pachy, you'll die quick enough

[brittle stirrup]

hard to when ur a carnivore, dont wanna put the effort into keeping the dinosaur alive and also have to travel there from the opposite side

oh and an 8 population

[outer sphinx]

why put effort to keep it alive till oasis, if you wann die you either die at oasis or the way there

[brittle stirrup]

exactly

im a freaking utah,i gotta find a massive cliff dang it

[paper oriole]

How are people having trouble spotting the bright white rabbits or bright ass plastic looking frogs? When they're there, they stand out from a mile away even at night

This dude wants buck to deal damage to the person using it? Lmao

[barren zephyr]

Is Night Vision in the game?

[paper oriole]

Nope

[manic flint]

Next update

[paper oriole]

They added night without night vision lol

[manic flint]

With nesting iirc

[paper oriole]

Though at least night isnt too dark now i think they made it lighter from before

[barren zephyr]

Okay, just making sure I wasn't missing something

Last question, can carnos smell living AI?

[paper oriole]

I've smelled boar tracks before, as for the others ive never found tracks from them

But idk for sure

[barren zephyr]

I'm not either. I can obviously see players some times as Stars in the Scent thing, and some times I can't. I just had a Utah show up as a preferred food icon but not the star. Im confused on it

[urban flax]

Stars mark only megapacks

[barren zephyr]

Ohhh, so that's multiple dinos

[urban flax]

yes

[barren zephyr]

Are living dinos suppose to show up or was that bug?

[urban flax]

No, you can't smell lone dinos aside from their tracks and blood (if they're bleeding)

[barren zephyr]

Okay, gotcha

Wtf ... i turned 50% in carno and randomly threw up and lost all my food. Anyone seen this before?

That sort of just ruins the game

[outer sphinx]

night stuff gets its own update, 5.5, u5 is nesting and skins

[manic flint]

Right 5.5
Close enough

[outer sphinx]

i really hope skins means like additional models for some, like utah mostly for now

[manic flint]

Yea
Feathered Utah
Or thicker Utah
Or both
Utah is thin as hell I hate it

[tight oxide]

Fr

Utah jpness annoys me tbh

So a fresh model like old legacy would be nice

[tight oxide]

Would devs even want this?

60 upvotes is very good and all but

Do devs even care enough for utah remodel

[stray holly]

I think the Utah model is fine

[paper oriole]

the devs purposely made the shameless jp ripoff so i doubt they're interested in a more imposing/original model

[outer sphinx]

i think they did say that an option for a feathered model is a possibility

[tight oxide]

Yea

But im just saying

[paper oriole]

i hope the feathered model doesnt have the pronated arms at least because sleeve feathers look terrible

[tight oxide]

Utah remodel wont be coming soon

Like

Anytime

[outer sphinx]

maybe skin system... sounds like a perfect time to add it

[tight oxide]

Heck yea

But i am all in with devs removing jurassic park looking dinos for original ones

Look at a spino remodel concept art

It was nice until they went jp rout

[outer sphinx]

utah gally and compy are the only ones, and one is miniscule AI

[paper oriole]

[tight oxide]

Theres a even cooler one

[outer sphinx]

thats awfully close to pronated

[paper oriole]

ssshhh nooo

[outer sphinx]

how do you make an accurate art but fuck up at the hands lmao

[paper oriole]

ehhhhh

[tight oxide]

Boom

[paper oriole]

thats basically what we got except the final product has a shitty sail and face

[outer sphinx]

the spino we wanted but didnt deserve

[tight oxide]

Its called perfect spino

[paper oriole]

personally i prefer tap spino over generic movie monster spino. i wish they went with the better face/sail on that one though

[outer sphinx]

and tail

[paper oriole]

what we got is like a china ripoff of concept spino

[tight oxide]

That spino was perfect but got thrown away because haha jp spino cool

We legit got booleg version of concept

[paper oriole]

jp spino is one of the ugliest renditions ever it still baffles me how the devs seem to take so much inspiration from jp designs

jp rex is ugly, jp spino is ugly, jp raptor is ugly aside from jp3 raptor which is just eh

[tight oxide]

Its funny when you see how did they did anky

Made spino look epic but make anky look like amrmadilo

[outer sphinx]

dondi

[paper oriole]

god anky is the one time that i WISH they took jp inspiration over what they actually did lmao

[tight oxide]

Yesss

[paper oriole]

jp anky is ugly but at least you can look at it and say "that is ankylosaurus"

[outer sphinx]

rex actually isnt that bad, its calls are basically copied tho, plus forgot galli

[tight oxide]

Anky needs reconcept

[paper oriole]

rex is still underweight like jp rex but yeah it isnt as bad aside from the sounds

[tight oxide]

Rex is fine but new spino looks out of place rn

[paper oriole]

i wish they'd bulk rex up

[tight oxide]

Eh

[outer sphinx]

at leats they changed its sounds a bit, unlike utah

[tight oxide]

See

[paper oriole]

itll look stupid seeing rex tussle with strong armored animals while also looking scrawny compared to giga and spino

[outer sphinx]

rex is perfectly acceptable model wise as it is rn

[tight oxide]

The spino concept made me realize how cool most dinos would look if they didnt do jp

Just not anky...

[paper oriole]

oh and austro

the 3 As got some sorry treatment

austro, acro, alberto, anky

[tight oxide]

This is perfect

[outer sphinx]

they reworked the model, tap fucked the proportions but they fixed now

[tight oxide]

But would be silly seeing it die to one hit

[paper oriole]

tap made a cool spino and an alien austro lol. i hope somebody mods in a tap spino when we maybe get mods in 60 years

[tight oxide]

I heard pot was reason why mods arent in legacy rn

[paper oriole]

it actually looks like it would be good in the water compared to the leggy abomination

[tight oxide]

When the devs make perfect concept but end up making the model worst

[paper oriole]

The “herbi paradise” idea sounds nice until you realize it would just become oasis but probably worse lol

[manic flint]

Someone has been watching too much Land Before Time movies

[paper oriole]

Yea thats what i pictured while readin through that

“Isnt this just the great valley”

[mild walrus]

Are you on crack? The JP models are literally the OGs

[paper oriole]

Ah return of the classic

[paper oriole]

Classic doesnt mean it looks good

Jp models may have nostalgia points but the blocky headed rex with the chicken tender body looks stupid, the spino with the teeny weeny sail and long ass legs looks stupid

[tight oxide]

that herbi paradise is just a no for me

its like saying make herbis never have to make interactions with danger

[paper oriole]

it would be cool to have herd gathering spots to have scenes like the big herds in africa but such an event cant happen in a game like this without it being a toxic cesspit like oasis is now

[keen basin]

https://mir-s3-cdn-cf.behance.net/project_modules/2800_opt_1/216ec387977499.5dc8d8149ce2d.jpg

Who else wants tk see this more accurate dilo when its added?

[paper oriole]

our dilo is pretty much that without feathers tho

[keen basin]

True, tho I think it’s smaller

[paper oriole]

larger size, properly shaped head, no neck frill or fat ugly snout, clappy hands. our dilo is notably bigger than the midget in jp

[keen basin]

I agree

[keen basin]

Yeah it is but it is smaller than real life considering it was like 8-9ft tall

And the new spino model is so bad, like you said, if they just went with taps concept are it woulda been fine but it is literally just Jurassic parks spino lol, but the whole game is essentially just a Jurassic Park simulator 😂

[keen basin]

Yeah it’s sad how toxic all herbis are

[paper oriole]

we have some good original fictionalizations like tenontosaurus or beipiaosaurus, but the jp ripoffs are shameless and obvious

[keen basin]

Yep, trex,utah,spino,stego and so many others it’s really sad. I mean they couldn’t even get original sounds lol, they are all just lifted from the JP films

[paper oriole]

stego isnt too bad, but utah and spino are probably the top offenders, followed by rex and galli

[keen basin]

Yeah

[paper oriole]

troodon is clearly heavily inspired by jp too

[keen basin]

Mmhm

Like they are the same thing from the JP game lol

[limber hull]

i mean, the Isle was DIRECTLY inspired by JP so not surprising

[keen basin]

I mean look at this lol

[paper oriole]

i get that but you can take inspiration from "scientists recreate mutant dinosaurs that take over an island" without stealing those mutant dinosaurs' designs

[limber hull]

"okay so hi."

this is my new fave feedback post

[manic flint]

I immensely hate the Galli design
Gallimimus looks so wrong without feathers

[keen basin]

Yeah, but also they had said in a Dev Blog that they wanted the game to be realistic but it isn’t XD

[keen basin]

Yes it does lol, it looks so bad

[paper oriole]

such bold and passionate feedback, i'm glad that brave soul stepped up and said what we were all thinking but too afraid to say ourselves

[limber hull]

true, however, I believe Dondi just wants his Jurassic Park simulator and who am I to stop him

[paper oriole]

yeah sad but true, he loves jp

cant fault him for that but its unfotunate that it leaks in to the isle

[limber hull]

i mean

i'm pretty sure without JP, the Isle would never exist

[keen basin]

Very true

[paper oriole]

true JP inspired a lot of dinosaur content, but then that content often just copypastes rather than making their own creative decisions. i guess at least the isle can say not all of their dinosaurs are ripoffs

the utah design looks like a high def mobile game dinosaur

its sad

[keen basin]

Yeah but he could make another game about that lol, instead of turning a game that his devs had said would be a “realistic dinosaur survival experience” is now just Jurassic Park the game lol

[keen basin]

So true

[paper oriole]

i dont think theyve ever wanted much realism, considering neuro strain spino controls the weather like a wizard

but the mix in designs is off putting

[keen basin]

Yeah

[paper oriole]

on one hand you have a great looking kentrosaurus reconstruction, then next to it is an anky that looks like a mammal and a utah that is a jp rip off

the allosaurus looks good, but then next to it you have jp ripoff spino and acro with no neck

it's inconsistent

[keen basin]

Ikr it is so random you see a realistic hypsi and accurate allos and stuff then a fricken shrink wrapped Utah that is just the Raptor from JP with a yellow color

[paper oriole]

hypsi is pretty fictionalized

[keen basin]

Yeah but at least is has feathers like irl

[paper oriole]

but it looks good, tenonto looks good, theri looks good, despite them being fictionalized to an extent

[keen basin]

Yeah

[paper oriole]

beipi looks good, despite being fictionalized. well, it looks good when it doesnt have the hideous pronated arms that keep showing up in its example shots

[dapper mirage]

Did someone say fictionalized dinosaurs????

What the fuck. I want 100% realism. Shit game.

[keen basin]

Yep

[limber hull]

i like TI Spino but it's the opposite of what the legacy spino was, where the sail is pathetic, whereas legacy's sail is the entire body and it looks dumb as fuck

i genuinely believe that the fucking HYPO SPINO from legacy is the closest to what I'd like to see from a spino design, without all the hypo shit. The sail to body ratio is actually somewhat decent and it looks intimidating rather than fucking stupid

[keen basin]

😂

[keen basin]

True

[limber hull]

why did the most fictionalised version of the spino from TI look the best honestly

[dapper mirage]

please give us this

i will commit genocide for this

[keen basin]

I know! at least it is decent and not purely just JP spino

[limber hull]

IDK why but I really like how this thing looks

[paper oriole]

i wish they had gone with head b instead of what we have now

looks like a stretchy subrex head and its funny that people still jump to say "It DoEs NoT!!!!!11!"

[limber hull]

With less hypo shit, it'd look great as a base model for EVRIMA

[keen basin]

And sure it is decently fictionalized but at least it looks semi aquatic

[dapper mirage]

they literally just took fred's spino and downgraded it for our new spino

its so sad

[paper oriole]

hyper spino gies off more 'aquatic apex' vibes than the generic land theropod trash that is normal spino now

[keen basin]

Mhm it is so sad

[limber hull]

It's so weird how they almost perfected the design with the big genetic mutant that's MEANT to be fictionalised

[paper oriole]

plus it has the badass knuckle walk

our new spino would look fucking stupid knuckle walking or swimming

[keen basin]

Yep, I mean it is proven that spino literally hunted sharks in the ocean and dove underwater for long amounts of time

[limber hull]

Then they went the full way and now its sail looks fucking tiny

[paper oriole]

ugh my eyes

[dapper mirage]

i used to really like the new spino.

[paper oriole]

dont make me file assault charges for posting that image

[dapper mirage]

but its REALLLLLY soured with me over time

[limber hull]

I actually do somewhat like the new spino but that SAIL makes me mad

[keen basin]

Yeah, the head is cool but then It just flops

[limber hull]

JUST MAKE THE SAIL BIGGER PLEASE IT'S SO PATHETIC LOOKING

[paper oriole]

not even the head is cool on new spino

what is this a damn alligator lol

[keen basin]

I think it is cool, not real but cool

[paper oriole]

weak ass tail too

[dapper mirage]

1. make the sail bigger
2. fix the head
3. change the ass skin
4. GIVE IT A TAIL FIN

fixed ez

[limber hull]

But to be fair... It's infinitely cooler than legacy's base spino

[paper oriole]

i liked legacy's dorky spino because i could at least laugh at it

new one is just boring

[limber hull]

How to fix

Smooth out the hypo model so it doesn't look like a hypo anymore
Make that the base model
That's it

[keen basin]

Well yeah spino and other spionsaurids had heads very similar to crocodilians

[dapper mirage]

legacy's spino radiates 2005 spino vibes

[keen basin]

Exactly

[paper oriole]

would be better than what we got now

[limber hull]

Why is hypo spino so perfect

Why did they manage to perfect the design with hypo

[keen basin]

Lol I know it’s crazy

[paper oriole]

i hope they dont change the hyper's design its like the best old hyper design

[limber hull]

Please

[dapper mirage]

rip hypo rex

[paper oriole]

the new hyper rex is cool, giga could use touch ups but the spino design is perfect

[limber hull]

I agree hypo spino is the best hypo design, then giga, then rex. Rex was just rex but big and green lmao

[paper oriole]

i like new hippo hyper rex

[keen basin]

Lmao

[limber hull]

Hypo spino is SO good and always has been.

[willow storm]

could use a better skin though

[limber hull]

I posted an untextured ver I believe

[willow storm]

I remember hypo spino when it was being played by devs on v2 servers

the skin is meh but the design is really cool

[paper oriole]

hyper spino has good calls too, kaiju scream

[willow storm]

yeah

[keen basin]

Mhm

[limber hull]

I kinda like hypo carno, but for the explicit reason of the replicator going "you know what, this is fucking stupid, I'm giving you arms and cool horns you pathetic fuck"

he just has pity arms

[keen basin]

Lol

[paper oriole]

i hate that they gave him arms, one of carno's biggest features is its smallest feature, the chicken wing tips

[keen basin]

Yeah, I get the horns make it more like a bull but why add arms it is so gross

[limber hull]

personally I think a pseudo-mid/mid-tier getting a strain is absolutely absurd but apparently they're giving utah strains so sky's the limit I guess

[dapper mirage]

yall're just mad that carno decided to get into a good arm day routine

[limber hull]

(i have no actual proof they are doing that and it very much could be scrapped)

[willow storm]

carno isnt a pseudo mid tier

its just a low weight mid tier

[limber hull]

It's far smaller than other mids

[willow storm]

In weight kind of but i mean, it as tall as allo or possibly a bit taller, just not as large

Its literally just a light weight speedster mid tier

Do you think cerato is a pseudo mid?

[keen basin]

I do

[willow storm]

I think pseudo mid tier is a bad way of explaining tiers. Just say small mid tier, medium mid tier, large mid tier

its such a simple way of explaining it

[keen basin]

Yeah I agree

[dapper mirage]

wait so if we're going back to calling carno a pseudo mid tier then doesnt that mean that the only actual mid tier carnies are allo and alberto

[keen basin]

Mmm I think cerato is a mid tier

[dapper mirage]

because cera and bary are both smaller than carno, carno's right in the middle of all 5 mid tier carnies. that aint "pseudo mid"

Gabe has become based

[keen basin]

Lol no I just think that pseudo mid tier is a dumb way of classifying things,

[willow storm]

Yeah calling something a pseudo mid tier is putting it in a completely different class which they arent

[keen basin]

Yep

[willow storm]

Mid tier is somewhat wide range

ranging from cerato to teno, all the way up to like alberto

[keen basin]

Mhm

[tidal rose]

God i still hate the whole strains aspect

Nothing has convinced me so far to like the idea

[tight oxide]

I mean

Its suppose to add more replay value

While being a reward

[limber hull]

I like strains

I just don't like magna

[tight oxide]

how come?

thought they were just hypos but less food needed

[limber hull]

that's why

they're hypos but without the downside that not only balances them but makes them interesting

might as well be elders, which they essentially are

[tight oxide]

i mean

i dont know if magmas will be stronger than elders

[limber hull]

i hope magnas just don't exist

if i wanted a dinosaur which is basically my current dinosaur but better, I'd be an elder

[tight oxide]

tbh

devs could always rethink them

if you're worried of them just being a longer lasting elder

but best not to worry since strains wont be coming in the next 2 years i bet

[limber hull]

imo, every strain should have a unique strength and a unique weakness

magna fails in both accounts

[tight oxide]

ik

then any ideas to fix magna?

[limber hull]

not only is its strength a ripoff of hypo, it's not even got a weakness

make it elder. That's how

[tight oxide]

lol

i mean if they could be their own thing

[limber hull]

We don't need 4 strains + elder

[tight oxide]

I mean

i like to think of strains as mutations to change how you play something

aaand i just remembered that hypo deino might become god...

[limber hull]

Hypo deino likely won't exist

[tight oxide]

dang

[limber hull]

Very few animals are even going to get strains

[tight oxide]

really wanted that

at least i can main hypo utah

really gonna be fun tanking tenos and carnos

[tidal rose]

@tight oxide say what you want but I just don't like the feature.

[tight oxide]

what feature

?!

well ok then...

[tidal rose]

the strains?

[warm flame]

we have 7 ceratopsids!? I thought we only had 6

[limber hull]

Taco, proto, ava, diablo, styraco, pachyrhino, trike

[warm flame]

wait so styraco is confirmed for the roster

I thought it was just something people wanted

[tidal rose]

tbh taco is the most unique

[limber hull]

isnt taco meant to be the burrowmaster or something

[warm flame]

taco's just better than the rest, no reason needed

[paper oriole]

Taco better get the best burrowing istg

[limber hull]

My only request for a unique burrow for proto is make it a beach burrower which can work with sand

Since proto is a coastal lover in concept art

[paper oriole]

Being able to smell bodies helps avoid danger areas as herbi it would kinda blow ass if that got removed

[warm flame]

I actually liked being able to see footsteps as herbi, added to horror sometimes
once on legacy I was a trike with a friend and while having night vision on I noticed a MASSIVE theropod footprint, clearly a rex or giga

[paper oriole]

I wish they let herbis smell tracks, blood and bodies while stationary (obviously only tracks in the area and not the continuous trail that carnis get) and smell everything else on the move

They made carni scent better and herbi scent worse though even though carni scent was already better to begin with

[echo tiger]

They should never be allowed to smell blood or bodies.

Thats just horrible for balance

[warm flame]

I see where you're coming from but that blood and bodies is also a warning, especially with blood dropping from bodies being dragged

[paper oriole]

It screws the decent players over just because of some trolls that could be handled by admins

[echo tiger]

But the problem is again, the balancing. Herbivores have everything going for them atm and they can pretty much run down carnivores if they wanted to; adding bleed tracking would just make that easier. That and body guarding is already a fucking major issue in the game because "muh stego boredom me want fight" mentality.

[paper oriole]

Oh yeah having to stop for 15 or so sec to smell for blood would totally screw over a fleeing victim huh

[warm flame]

you can also make it where blood trails have to be old before herbivores can smell them

[echo tiger]

Well yeah, you know exactly where they've gone and if you coordinate its not exactly hard to sniff them down

[echo tiger]

You guys have a solo player mentality when herbivores dont play solo usually, i'd agree if that wasn't the case.

[paper oriole]

With that logic i could argue that since carnis mix pack we should screw them over too

[warm flame]

most of the time when I play as herbivore I'm avoiding other herbis because until I'm adult they're more deadly to me than the carnis

[paper oriole]

I want to avoid blood baths by sniffing beforehand, not stumble in to a feeding ground

Oftentimes a body has ambushers waiting nearby

[echo tiger]

I mean you can just fight them off depending on what you're up against, the match up spread is herbivore catered afterall.

Stego, Teno, Pachy

[paper oriole]

If an herbi kills something and bodyguards that doesnt have shit to do with smelling the body anyway

[echo tiger]

Yeah in that case, but what about a stego thats just "bored" and not an asshole. He sniffs the body and then sits on it.

[warm flame]

normally they don't even have to sniff it

[echo tiger]

If herbivores weren't in such a good position i'd agree with you but as it stands, they universally outclass their carnivore contemporaries.

[warm flame]

they just remember where it is

[paper oriole]

90% of the time they just see the body or hear the commotion

[echo tiger]

But in that 10% of cases that you're not accounting for they do sniff out bodies and they do sit on them

Had it happen to me on EU1 as a carno, dragged away a deino body and it came sniffing and ran at it

sat on it for a good 40 minutes until it despawned

[paper oriole]

So herbis should be screwed on avoiding danger zones because 10% of a behavior where 90% of that behavior happens at hot spots…

You have a grudge or something?

[echo tiger]

Herbis dont get screwed though...?

Most of the time you hard body everything else unless you're just bad and miss stuff or dont manage your stamina.

Most prominent example being pachy

[paper oriole]

Preventing them from smelling bodies can make them oblivious to otherwise obvious lazy set traps they should be able to avoid if they use their senses

[echo tiger]

But you have the option to just turn out of the way of a carno charge, provided you check your corners and use cover, same with pachy

[paper oriole]

From a distance? Maybe, but utahs and even pachies and deinos use this tactic and their attacks are short and fast

[echo tiger]

With utah you can just ALT into it as a pachy and you'll cancel its pounce

[paper oriole]

And those pachies didnt use sniff to find their bait they just kill something and wait

[echo tiger]

Deino is just slow and loud, if you dont see it thats on you.

[paper oriole]

Youre pulling a lot of excuses for what you already say is “10% of those cases”

[echo tiger]

And pachys can sniff bodies and they will sit on it, it happens all the time on EU

[paper oriole]

I avoided a lot of danger by sniffing bodies beforehand in the past

[echo tiger]

But people abuse it, which they do, it happens all the time on EU once again to reiterate.

Maybe its just different servers and demographics, but thats my experience of it.

[paper oriole]

The vast majority of the cases dont involve scent to begin with

They involve herbis seeing a fight or killing something and body guarding

[echo tiger]

They also sniff out and charge bodies and sit on them, again to reiterate it just happened to me this morning, i even dragged the body away and the stego came running.

[paper oriole]

Rarely. If we removed every useful thing that sometimes gets abused the game would basically not exist

Let's remove ptera because mix packers use them to find people

Let's remove body dragging because people drag bodies in to water sometimes

Let's remove hypsi spit because trolls use it in mix packs

[echo tiger]

All of those can be countered though. or have some degree of counter play

Hypsi - you can turn your head as they come in and anticipate the spit
Ptera - Go into jungles, they cant find you there
Body dragging - probably find some other food sources (this one is circumstancial)

With this, you have a stego sat on the body. or a swarm of herbis sat on the body. Great counterplay.

Can't do fucking shit about it.

[paper oriole]

Oh yeah dodge the hypsi thats hidden or in the middle of a fight when you have to focus on the raptors attacking you

[echo tiger]

Pay more attention and acknowledge theres a hypsi there?

What do you want me to say?

[paper oriole]

Something not dumb lol

[echo tiger]

Besides if you stand still in a fight you're pretty much dead right? use your feet.

Cant really hit a moving target unless they have aimbot

[paper oriole]

Large animals stand still im a fight wtf are you suggesting a stego run with bleed lol

[echo tiger]

Park your head in a rock?

use trees use cover?

You're really that dumb to be in the open as a lone herbivore?

ofc utahs will rip you apart then, you've got no cover

[paper oriole]

Your arguments are just so bad tf “always be by a rock” is your answer?

[tight oxide]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401481371249541120/931024927560183898/RealisticUtahraptortheIsle.png

72 likes already

[paper oriole]

Good animal

[echo tiger]

Good animal.

[tight oxide]

Good animal.

but fr that model is amazing

[echo tiger]

Bro theres plenty of fucking trees what the fuck are you saying, plains isn't devoid of bushes for you to bait utahs into, do you lack common sense or what?

[paper oriole]

God i wish we had that utah

[tight oxide]

makes me actually want to play utah

[echo tiger]

Use your terrain to your advantage, theres plenty of it

[paper oriole]

God id main it if it looked cool

[echo tiger]

Bro fr

they need to give the utah a brawler look

[tight oxide]

id actually not ask for buffs if it was that cool

utah seems like a brawler style could work

[echo tiger]

It looks like a fucking noodle.

[tight oxide]

but i thought glass canon works better

[echo tiger]

the one in game

[paper oriole]

Utah looks emaciated rn

[tight oxide]

but that utah concept is just brawler

[tight oxide]

you mean malnourished

[paper oriole]

Leather turkey

[echo tiger]

I'd prefer a brawler playstyle for utah since carnivores dont actually have any brawlers meanwhile herbivores have two very overtuned brawling animals and one apex that just shits on everything that tries it

[tight oxide]

our utah so skinny that i think that a good dryo kick could break its legs

[tight oxide]

how to go about it for utah?

[paper oriole]

Cera is a brawler who is coming right

[tight oxide]

yea

[paper oriole]

In like 10 years

[echo tiger]

Troodon is getting released first

for sure, but its just a discount utah with venom

depending on the potency of it

[tight oxide]

I think when we get more raptors like autro could take our current utah niche

and give our current utah the remodel it needs

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401481371249541120/931024927560183898/RealisticUtahraptortheIsle.png legit looks like its not to be messed with

[tight oxide]

hell even herrera or mono

[echo tiger]

Making utah a brawling animal could be done with making the pounce multifunctional, i was talking about this to a mate and we came up with an idea about utahs being able to hold down animals and waste their stamina as an active combat measure whilst also having members that are committed to doing the brawling.

Could be the case where theres different pounces, locational pouncing etc

[tight oxide]

i have something in mind to

[echo tiger]

Because dromeosauridae just screams a brawling pack hunter to me

[tight oxide]

I think pounce could use a latch mechanic to help add counter play to buck

[echo tiger]

Buck really doesn't do anything unless you're a carno though

[tight oxide]

basically if you latch you dont lose stam to buck

[tight oxide]

eh it works

[echo tiger]

it does, but its not efficient at all

its better to just USE COVER and use the trees to knock them off

[tight oxide]

i heard someone say that pounce should get this thing where utah does a jump off on a target

like if you just press rmb

stuns target long enough for pack member to come in with a pounce

I mean at this point anything rn ingame that can fight has a stun move

[echo tiger]

I mean yeah

stuns literally win games, to quote the famous DOTA saying

[tight oxide]

thats why we give utah stun

even the playing field

I just want utah to have a move to help other members get a pounce in

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401481371249541120/931024927560183898/RealisticUtahraptortheIsle.png think of that fighting a pachy

[echo tiger]

I think that doesn't fit it though, if anything i think the pounce should be more weighty

Like

[tight oxide]

like slow down the target?

cus its silly to have pachy running while a fg utah is pouncing it

[echo tiger]

No as in, it takes more stamina to buck them off you if there are more people committed, it could slow you down sure but that could be abusable by mix packers which is an apparent issue on NA servers ig? we just kill them on EU ones, you could make certain attacks cost alot more as you mob it and brawl with 6 others on one committed target.

[tight oxide]

the mixpacking part doesnt matter since devs plan on fixing ai and moving herbis diet plants around more

[echo tiger]

Ye ye it doesnt, i was taking the piss

[tight oxide]

and just find a server with an admin if you really one

[echo tiger]

I do like the slow

But there should be more weight with the utah and its damage should scale proportionally to how many people there are on it, not how long the utah is on the thing since pounce duration-based damage is impossible to get off given how quick you lose stamina through the process.

That and other herbis or other carnis just make pounce redundant as a whole. IDK how you would balance it until diets are spread out

[tight oxide]

idk man utah packs need to be more scary

when they all pouncing same time

[echo tiger]

Yeah

[tight oxide]

aint no way stego irl shruging off 4 utahs

[echo tiger]

as a carno me and a mate 2v9'd utahs because we just played around eachother

its not that hard to counter utahs unless you're alone

[tight oxide]

its too easy

[echo tiger]

yea

[tight oxide]

find mud pond or shallow water

boom they cant run fast or pounce

[echo tiger]

yep

[tight oxide]

legit fix that

[echo tiger]

i've been barking up the same tree mate

[limber hull]

Utah being a brawler would require a hefty speed nerf

[tight oxide]

i wouldnt mind tbh

[echo tiger]

Why?

[tight oxide]

cus

[tight oxide]

balance

[echo tiger]

I mean i'm just asking to see the train of thought

i know it would be unbalanced

[tight oxide]

we cant have it be bralwer level strong while keeping its speed

its like pachy running with utah agility and speed

[echo tiger]

Yeah, but theres ways and means of making it a brawler and not sacrifice its speed

[limber hull]

Fast moving brawlers defeat the point of brawlers. Brawlers have higher combat capability but lower escape capability. Teno for example has low sprint speed but high defensive damage output

[echo tiger]

Ye

[limber hull]

If it’s a fast brawler, why make it a brawler if it can just escape whatever threatens it

[tight oxide]

teno can out run what can kill it while fighting off what cant

so we could do that for a brawler utah somewhat

[limber hull]

Pachy, being a brawler, can’t really outrun either Utah or Carno, often forcing it into fighting, tenonto is the same

[tight oxide]

pachys is suppose to break the leg and run

[echo tiger]

I mean teno can just turn to the side and escape carnos, and hit them if they're confident they can hit the carno whilst its charging; its two tail slams to the face to bring it to half HP

[tight oxide]

thats its thing

[echo tiger]

I dont even wanna talk about pachy its so fucking braindead broken

I've only ever died once and it was to my own stupidity

[limber hull]

Cerato, as a brawler, will also likely have a much harder time hunting to compensate for its bully potential when it comes to claiming the corpses of others

[echo tiger]

Bullying a stego

[tight oxide]

which bully?

[echo tiger]

[limber hull]

wat

[tight oxide]

you just said will have harder time huning for its bully potential

[echo tiger]

Cerato will be in a pretty bad spot when it gets released since stego exists, there needs to be something that can actually hunt stegos since thats the games biggest issue

[tight oxide]

didnt understand the question

[tight oxide]

I think 2 allos should be able to finish stego fairly well

[echo tiger]

I was more thinking alberto

[limber hull]

Why would stego have literally anything to do with cerato’s balance

[echo tiger]

Corpse guarding.

You just said it would bully other carnivores off of corpses right? what about corpse guarders?

It cant run fast and navigate areas of terrain as fast as its contemporaries, its most likely going to have high hunger to compensate its brawler style

We cant know for sure, but this is purely speculation

[limber hull]

To be honest, with all due respect, who the fuck cares. There isn’t a stegosaurus for every corpse, and cerato is confirmed to be able to eat anything, so it can choose its battles, since its reasonable for cerato to be incapable of taking on apexes due to its size

[echo tiger]

OH WAIT

right gore comes with cerato right?

[limber hull]

It’s like saying cerato should bully rex

[tight oxide]

no one really said that but alr...

I think gumby meant cera having a chance to fight stego alone

or duo

[limber hull]

It is. Being incapable of bullying off a stegosaurus is fine since cerato isn’t meant to tangle with apexes at all

[tight oxide]

then wheres stego competition

[echo tiger]

That and theres not really any counterplay to stegos as a whole. This will be an exacerbated issue until something is added that can deal with them.

[tight oxide]

thats legit what everyone wants

for stego to be challenged or hunted

[echo tiger]

It will give stegos something to fucking do for one

instead of using the tired excuse "im bored so im gonna sit on this body and hope shit fights me"

[limber hull]

Cerato isn’t that lmao

[tight oxide]

still saying its sad that deino the slower carnivore restricted to water cant comp stego to the point stego fears water

[tight oxide]

oh ik

[echo tiger]

I mean look

[tight oxide]

but stego kept its dumb op stats in this meta rn so just do the same for cera

or just remove stego!

[echo tiger]

There needs to be atleast something that can deal with them. theres been no end of times where theres been people AFK growing them when server pops are low just to do this shit over and over again.

I still think alberto is the best solution for now.

Without completely fucking the balance on the other foot and adding rex

[tight oxide]

tbf rex would be hella slow and low stam im assuming but i understand why alberto

[echo tiger]

Allo would just kinda make utah redundant sorta and i wouldn't want that for the little guy since it's already kinda bad as it is