general-feedback-discussion

[thin meadow]

Anyway, I gotta watch me some Harry Potter. I just wanted to know the reason why people are adamantly against the gc coming back 😛 Thanks for letting me know 🙂

[paper oriole]

that could mess up fights for both parties when raptors start to drop in a fight agaainst a big animal i think

[limber hull]

global chat i found was the grand cesspit of toxicity more than anything else

[bold palm]

maybe build a script to mimic the rule of body down, so you 5 call or something to claim and create the zone, hold button for 5 seconds to claim, enough time to scare off or prevent, but also short enough to get the body.

[limber hull]

time to carry a body wherever i go to be able to safely attack herbivores as they can't attack back

[bold palm]

nobody can attack in the zone

so there goes your theory

[paper oriole]

global chat was full of RP, "hello rex family hehe" "look at the babu uwu" "type G for giga egg OWO come be my babu", slurs and shit talk, cocky idiots trying to start fights. not much good came from it except some entertainment lol

[limber hull]

so, i guess fuck cerato then

[bold palm]

could also disable ability to pick up the body.

[limber hull]

since cerato is meant to be an aggressive body-stealer/scavenger

[paper oriole]

i think it could get in the way of group fights

[limber hull]

but it can't attack for 15 seconds

[bold palm]

well they could go in and challenge, could implement that as well

[limber hull]

i would rather just, you know, not have to play around arbitrary chivalry rules in a game about brutal nature and survival

[paper oriole]

i dont think we need the body challenge rule added as a base game mechanic

i hate servers with those rules lol

[limber hull]

same

[paper oriole]

while this idea doesnt sound quite as toxic and exploitable as others, it can interrupt proper fights

[limber hull]

also i just personally hate body down

[paper oriole]

body down is especially shit with diets and proactive defense

[limber hull]

imagine having a sick fight then they accidentally run over a rotting compy and neither side can attack anymore

lmao

[paper oriole]

lmao a juvie utah dies and now the whole ass fight has to stop

[bold palm]

juvi utah dies, you then need to claim it, takes 5-10 seconds to get that, before zone is active. you could easily attack the player trying to claim the dead body.

[paper oriole]

no no nooooo nono

that sounds like something outta isla nycta lmao

[limber hull]

so how do we handle

A: Carno charges, which is an attack activated outside of the radius
B: Humans, like, as a whole
C: The way this primarily invalidates slower, more defensive animals over faster, more aggressive animals

[paper oriole]

i dont think a pack should have to stop and claim an inedible body of their dead juvie in order to continue a fight

[bold palm]

huh

[manic flint]

I hate body down
If I am in a bush and someone is eating a body why the hell would I announce myself????
I would just run in and attack
Now that they are damaged.they are less likely to fight back

And dinosaurs aren't chivalrous

[paper oriole]

a pack of raptors fighting a stego or something, one of their dumb ass juvies gets himself shish-kebabed and dies, whole fight has to stop

[bold palm]

juvi utah dies, you then need to claim it, takes 5-10 seconds to get that, before zone is active. you could easily attack the player trying to claim the dead body.

dead body of any kind you plan to eat you need to claim, no fight stops in the zone until the body claims.

[paper oriole]

that is quite the irritating inconvenience

[manic flint]

But you ain't a cannibal and that's irritating

[limber hull]

absolutely

[paper oriole]

why should they have to stop and claim a useless body?

[manic flint]

Exactly

[limber hull]

also again, how the FUCK do you deal with shit like a carno charge

[manic flint]

Yea

[bold palm]

not sure why they'd need to claim the body if it's not edible.

[limber hull]

does the carno just get utterly cucked out of its charge and waste the stam

[manic flint]

It's 'edible'
It just makes you sick

Body down is daft

[bold palm]

you could set the zone created to only protect the one who claimed it and also any of his group at the time.

[limber hull]

or

[manic flint]

No body down rules

[bold palm]

so any other animal could still do something through the zone.

[limber hull]

hear me out, we don't have safe-zones in a hardcore survival game

[manic flint]

🤔

[limber hull]

if i want to take your corpse as a larger carnivore, i should be allowed to do that

[bold palm]

or maybe make the ones who claim immune to accidental damage in the zone.

[manic flint]

Almost like it makes sense

[bold palm]

this is all based on herbies guarding bodies.

[manic flint]

In real life, is a dumbass lion taking a nap next to a kill immune from a hyena attack? Hell no

[paper oriole]

accidental damage? like disabling friendly fire?

[manic flint]

Elephants guard dead babies all the time

[limber hull]

but your solution doesn't solve it. If I need to stay on the body for 5-10 seconds to claim it, then how am I going to get close enough with the bodyguarding herbi? This simply fails to fix the core issue

[manic flint]

This is a survival game with dinosaurs
No chivalry

[echo tiger]

There needs to be a mechanic that dissuades herbivores for doing it for long periods of time.

[paper oriole]

elephants and hippos both body guard. elephants mainly just do it while they mourn the fallen family member before moving on, but hippos are just assholes

[echo tiger]

Yeah, elephants and hippos both body guard, but this is a video game, balancing for IRL shit is stupid.

[manic flint]

Exactly
If hippos are assholes why can't I be one
The real reason to not bodygaurd should be that a rex will find you and that's a bad idea lmao

Or
Or
Just don't attack a herd

[paper oriole]

somehow, some way, the mechanic should either not be exploitable or disruptive

this mechanic is disruptive, all others ive seen are exploitable

[echo tiger]

Yeah i agree, i dont like the idea with body down rules since the game has evolved far past the days of a hunger bar, you need to be more active as a carnivore and body down rules dont promote that playstyle

I should be able to kill everything that moves to sate myself, since nature is cruel

That being said i incur risk for attacking something that can put up a fight, thats just how it is.

[fallen cargo]

if a pack of raptors kill something like a carno and theyre all weak, my t-rex should be able to roll up on em and run their lunch money

[paper oriole]

larger predators who can pose more threats to corpse guarders, more commitment to keeping your animal alive, and more interesting gameplay can help reduce body guarding behaviour

[bold palm]

yes, it's like trying to solve PIE.

[paper oriole]

cerato might alleviate some bodyguarding depending on how good of a brawler he is

[manic flint]

Yea

[fallen cargo]

i hope so

[manic flint]

It should

Can't do much to a stego cause bad roster but eh

[paper oriole]

at least against animals like pachies and smaller tenonto groups

[echo tiger]

Until other bigger herbivores like trike and anky are introduced, and if Pachy is this ridiculous with its fracture potential then anky will just 100% wipe the floor with everything that moves. Bigger predators do nothing to discourage body camping when you have megaherds of ankys and trikes and shants, even deinochirus

[limber hull]

cerato probably won't deal with stego-sized bodyguarding but maybe tenos

[paper oriole]

megaherds are partially a byproduct of the way diets are distributed right now

everything is cramed at oasis

[echo tiger]

Yeah, but devs consistently make mistakes like this, we've seen this with party pond when that was at thenyaw and we're seeing it now.

[paper oriole]

the overvariation of diet food at oasis promotes mega mixherds

[echo tiger]

Like you have a hotspot, diets are all crammed there, everyone is forced to go there pretty much (particularly carnos since they starve every 5 minutes)

If you got spread it about it would fix it temporarily, but idk, i aint hopeful

[paper oriole]

so 90% of this toxic behaviour is at one of two hot spots on the map, but then the issue of ai spawn pushes people to go to those hotspots for food out of desperation

and they are met with 10 pachies, 5 stegos and 9 tenontos

[manic flint]

Apparently the diet hotspot was intentional

[echo tiger]

Even still, whose to say the mega-herds wont persist, diets for herbivores is incredibly forgiving and are always guaranteed, most people when they're fully grown just suffice themselves with 1 diet and hang about doing PVP

[wind geyser]

and 1 pachy is more than a match for any carnivore

[echo tiger]

Theres legit no reason to care about your diet when you're 100% aside from healing, but your safety is guaranteed cause you're in a mega herd

[manic flint]

Not really
It's a glass cannon, it's very skill dependant
Except for that one attack cancel glitch

[echo tiger]

Pachy is not skill dependant, you can tap the charge into a carno, loop around and then tap it again to have a guaranteed leg break.

or body break

Not exactly my idea of skill, given the instant charge

[manic flint]

That means you have to hit the carno without it hitting you
(Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't carno alt bite outrage pachy ram??)

[fallen cargo]

i actually had a decent experience at south east swamp with my friend, me and him were full grown raptors and we stumbled across a full grown teno and like 3 big juvis, barely in subadult stage, we killed one of the juvis and kept the others bleeding forcing them to the dam, so we ate and left, my point is this, if deits is spread out more, hopefully we get more interactions like that instead of massive mixherds

[echo tiger]

No...? Pachy stuns carno and cancels the attack through the stuns, Carnos ALT is virtually useless against pachy since Pachy ALT also stuns carno if it's hit in the head

Theres been only a few times where the Carno ALT outranges it, atleast from my experience

[manic flint]

And no charge ram should never break bones

[echo tiger]

wut...?

[paper oriole]

we need mor ediet benefits imo. right now we have some nasty punishments that are negated by having one diet food filled, but then the benefits arent worth getting if you just want to hang around and fight

[manic flint]

I'm saying it's dumb that it can

[paper oriole]

more benefits for great and perfect diet could help set apart the healthiest animals

[echo tiger]

Wait, the full charge or the tap?

[manic flint]

What you just described, tapping twice

[echo tiger]

Right. We're in agreement

[manic flint]

That seems kinda daft

A full charge or 1 half charge one quarter charge or something makes sense

[echo tiger]

It should be a full charge

[fallen cargo]

since its runs off of a hp system instead of random chance, itd be cool to have the longer pachys ram is held the more damage is dealt, full charge, is bone break, no charge is very minimal damage

[echo tiger]

Bone break is so fucking powerful rn and it always will be

[manic flint]

But the thing with carno is carno can run from a pachy so it's not one sided really

[manic flint]

Not as bad as it used to be but still needs some tweaks yes

[fallen cargo]

i do agree that pachys alt shouldnt stun, it could push a target away if its smaller but not stun

[manic flint]

Yes it's too fast for a stun

[limber hull]

imho, pachy's turn radius and alt-attack speed was the most powerful buff it ever got and I think those things should be nerfed before all else

before, it would be difficult to line up attack after attack after attack

[echo tiger]

I've said this before and i'll say it again.

• Make it so that the tap charge does minimal damage to things bigger than it, or even knock over pachy's that try that shit against a carno, but make it still effective at a utah bashing.

• Remove the stun on the ALT attack, its too fucking strong given it does that much damage AND fracture.

[limber hull]

but with the new high turn radius, not that hard

[fallen cargo]

idk about its basic turn speed, but its turn speed while charging its ram yes

[manic flint]

Yea I agree

[echo tiger]

Pachy is not a skill intensive animal, but it could very well be.

[limber hull]

basic turn speed used to be lower and i actually liked it that way

[echo tiger]

Same with tenonto, it has 4 moves and 1 of them is spammable and you only need to hit the guy once and he's basically dead.

[limber hull]

but then again, that was back when ram did MUCH more damage

[fallen cargo]

high skill high reward is much better than destroying everything you see because you can

[manic flint]

You can hit a max of 3 and it takes 6 to kill a carno cause of healing ticks

Maybe 4 if you are really lucky

[echo tiger]

It's 4 to the head.

And even then you're not alone, you will have back up.

Its not exactly hard to hit a carno in the face thats trying to charge you either.

[manic flint]

If a teno hits a carno on the head with a slam I give props to it

[echo tiger]

It's pretty easy to do

[manic flint]

That's just a failed ambush and the carno's fault tho

[echo tiger]

Well alright, lets put this into perspective here

[manic flint]

That's true, but a carno attacking a herd of tenos is a bad idea

[echo tiger]

4 headshots from a tail slam to kill a carno.

Whereas it takes 6-8 bites to kill a tenonto

With its damage nerfed, that 1 bite differential is huge

[manic flint]

From a successful ambush.and charge you get like 3 or 4 bites right?

[limber hull]

Carnos are notorious for literally never ambushing and fucking attacking their prey from 100 miles away in broad daylight in the middle of plains

[echo tiger]

No

You get 2 bites from a successful charge

Even then, the teno can just repeatedly hit you and you're half HP

[manic flint]

How much does charge do

[echo tiger]

that guy is away

Around a quarter i think?

So without the charge thats 10 bites

YOU HAVE to be working with another guy to kill a tenonto, you cant kill a tenonto efficiently as a solo carno

[manic flint]

Well that makes sense

[echo tiger]

Yeah, but for the balance rn it doesnt.

[manic flint]

A teno can't run from a carno so of course it should have a 1v1 advantage

[echo tiger]

I mean yeah, but carno is legitimately the only thing that can fight a tenonto atm. If there were more viable carnivores in the game like cerato i would be happy with the match up that carno has against it currently

I'd hardly consider utah a viable carnivore given it gets bodied virtually all the time by pachys, tenontos and stegos

[manic flint]

That's a roster problem, not a matchup problem

The roster is still kinda garbage

[echo tiger]

But for now we need something that can fight them, buffing carnos bite force back to 200 is perfectly fine and makes the match up alot more even

[limber hull]

i wish we had literally any ceratopsian because utah, as cool as it may be, is not at all designed for the current roster and would do MUCH better if there was even one ceratopsian

[echo tiger]

whilst still giving advantages to the tenonto

[fallen cargo]

I just wish carnos hunger drain wasn't so severe, or atleast the body's gave more food, because rn it's practically impossible to keep a full grown carno at 100 food

[echo tiger]

Yeah thats another thing that herbivores have going for them, they can't ever starve

[fallen cargo]

It's so annoying when you finish a hunt and gotta hunt again because it gave you about 3% food

[echo tiger]

I think carno needs its hunger drain laxed cause 'muh small game hunter' and its stamina needs significant buffs

it should be able to cross the map on one bar

[manic flint]

Carno shouldn't have a fast food drain imo
Doesn't work for a small-mid game hunter

[limber hull]

nah, hunger drain is fine, the issue i have is the rate it fills its stomach

[manic flint]

Or that

[echo tiger]

Nah im sorry

you cant go 5 minutes without being at quarter hunger, it's hunger is not fine.

[limber hull]

it literally needs to eat another carno for 100% food, that's an issue, not how frequently it needs to eat

[echo tiger]

You're just perpetuating oasis at that point right? why go anywhere else cause you'll starve to death

[fallen cargo]

Yeah fr, I legit starved to death while hunting a teno

[echo tiger]

You're forced into that shitty spot, whereas utah you can actually roam around and pick off solo herbis or carnivores

[fallen cargo]

I was at 25% hunger because 1, couldn't find ai, and 2 there were only stegos

[echo tiger]

bro just take on the stegos, you're a small game hunter

[fallen cargo]

Obviously, simply a skill issue on my part lol

[limber hull]

if i were to rework carno, it'd need less food to fill its stomach and have more stamina for endurance-based running, with a longer stam regen to go with it. Also, carno charge would be less utterly fucking brutal on its stam total

[fallen cargo]

Yeah it's really hard to hit and you can legit only use it once in a fight anyway

[echo tiger]

Im fine with the carno charge costing that much stamina given how fucking powerful it is

[limber hull]

if its a small game hunter, and the small game can lose you near instantly, its pretty ineffective in that regard

[echo tiger]

You knock over a pachy, its two bites to the head and its dead

a utah, its 1 bite to the head and it dies

[limber hull]

(don't bite a pachy head btw)

you're actually doing less damage by doing that

bite the body

[echo tiger]

Thats not a thing

I stg if thats a thing

[limber hull]

it absolutely is

[fallen cargo]

You can knock pachy? The times I've tried it I got stunned when i hit it (and no it didn't hit me with it's charge/alt, it was oblivious)

[echo tiger]

You can trick them into following you

[limber hull]

pachy takes half the damage that most head damage does, which i believe would make it around 0.75x damage

[echo tiger]

Me and a mate run a timbuck two routine

he'll bait and then when the pachy is occupied (cause they like to chase cause they're stupid) i come in, charge and we turn and kill it instantly

[limber hull]

don't headbite pachys, literally, there is never a reason for you to try to be in front of a pachy

always be behind it or to its sides

[fallen cargo]

Fair

[echo tiger]

Majority of the time i am yeah, i never knew that it did that

like with the headbite thing

Is there actually tests to prove thats the case or what?

[limber hull]

although, i imagine legacy pachy mains are celebrating knowing their dogshit tier animal finally is considered OP

[echo tiger]

It is OP, theres no two ways about it

I watched a video of a guy playing tenonto against a pachy and the pachy won just by stunlocking the guy to death

[limber hull]

i managed to fucking destroy a whole herd of pachys as a teno by simply walking into a shallow body of water lmao

[echo tiger]

o yeah

Utahcephalosaurus

[limber hull]

their trotspeed is absolute dogshit, while teno's trotspeed is legit amazing

[fallen cargo]

@gray loom have you played carno? just a question nothing argumentitive, but like carnos hunger drains in a matter of literal seconds, you could eat a full teno and youd need to quickly run to another body once that ones gone because if you dont find something to kill in that time you will starve to death

[echo tiger]

Clearly he hasnt.

[gray loom]

yea Iv played carno quite a bit recently and I stand by what I said. The hunger time is pretty good compared to other things, not to mention even if it has the same hunger, its fast enough to get to the other side of the map in a few minutes. If the server is full, it has no excuse to die. Even of starvation. It can even eat other carnos-(i disagree with that but its in the game). If youre talking about juvi carno, then try another carnivore. Youll find they all start practically on life support

[fallen cargo]

I'm not talking about juvi, Ive gotten quite a few to full adult and have ran into the same issue (pardon the pun) that I can't maintain the hunger, maybe I'm running around with too big of a pack, (only 3 carnos) but still, it's hunger is abysmal

[gray loom]

Yea carnos are probably meant to ride mostly solo, given that they can cannibalize without penalty and like other large carnivores it has to eat a lot. Unless you and your pack are skilled enough to take out stegos, thats most likely the problem.

Tbh when I play carno I go solo unless I have friends on because everyone knows that you cannot count on randoms to have even played the game before

[fallen cargo]

I usually roll with randoms because my friends don't play the isle lol
Anyway, the reason I did @ you is because removing carnos scent would essentially neuter the thing into becoming a useless walking flesh pile, it relys heavily on tracking to even catch anything because as you said with Utah, it's prey is small and nimble enough to slip into the forests

[gray loom]

well I think it should probably still be able to track blood, but like I said if youre hunting where carno is supposed to be hunting like oasis and the center plains, its not gonna be losing sight of prey much. Carno isnt supposed to be effective outside of the plains region

[fallen cargo]

And it isn't, because of its turn radious it's really bad in forests

[limber hull]

honestly, carno seems like more of a vision-based predator than a smell-based one. If there were a mechanic that made each animal have a different scent they used to hunt, sight, sound or smell, that'd be sick tbh

[gray loom]

^this is what im saying

[paper oriole]

maybe if tracks last longer visibly to some predators than others

[limber hull]

if i could buff its vision in exchange for smell, i'd actually think that'd be sick

[paper oriole]

carno cant see 5 minute old tracks, but a rex can

[gray loom]

yea I wish but things like that are probably gonna take a while to get implemented. But thats like one of my biggest dreams for the isle

[fallen cargo]

Alright if it got swapped out for something that was equally effective but different then I wouldn't mind that, but the way it was worded sounded like you just wanted to remove it's ability to track all together lol

[gray loom]

yea thats an amazing idea even for the other apexs too theyr gonna need a strong scent

[limber hull]

i dont feel a spino would

a spino feels like a defensive animal that rarely hunts and mostly eats fish and minds its own business

[paper oriole]

though rex is well known to be an amazing tracket, giga however probably wouldnt need advanced tracking if his preference is large, slow moving plains animals like sauropods and apex hadrosaurs

[limber hull]

if i were to say what spino's special sense is, well that's simple, it has water vibration detection

[paper oriole]

a rex will likely rely more on ambush against the armoured and defensive animals like trike and ankylo, so longer distance tracking and preparation is more useful to it

[gray loom]

Its situational and its gonna depend especially on how the spino is optimized, such as how hungry its gonna be

[paper oriole]

spino would probably make better use of water sense with a fishing stance, rather than good terrestrial tracking

he doesnt need terrestrial tracking to hunt deino or animals stopping by its waterway

[gray loom]

I think its a good point though that giga might not need it but if it really is gonna be forced to go after sauropods then its gonna be probably one of the hardest challenges to play as in the game

[limber hull]

spino simply does not seem like a tracker or hunter

[paper oriole]

sauropods and hadrosaurs will probably be more plains oriented, while i could see trike and ankylo being a mix of plains and forest/redwood where rex would excel more with ambushing armoured animals

[limber hull]

its a slow, highly defensive tank animal that fights anything that dares enter its territory

[gray loom]

true plus I wasnt thinking about how it will have wayyyy more things to eat in the water than i was thinking about

[paper oriole]

spino also seems like the type to bully people off of bodies when he has the chance, rather than go out and hunt terrestrial animals itself

[limber hull]

yep

[paper oriole]

spino taking the role of the previous landgators

[gray loom]

Seems like kindv a boring playstyle that everyones gonna hate

[limber hull]

slow tanky bully brawler animal

i disagree heavily

[paper oriole]

eh its one of three apexes its a choice

[gray loom]

meaning the other people having to face it

the spino itself will get a good chuckle out of it haha

[paper oriole]

if you want to kick ass, go rex. if you want a more endurant hunting style, go giga. if you want to chill and kick people off of your turf, go spino.

[limber hull]

carnivores always being "i chase you and hunt you" style animal is an antiquated idea that should die with legacy. They tried introducing a brawler through sucho, except at the time the game was in no place to support such a playstyle

cera is an example of an animal that is becoming far less of a hunter and much more of a bully brawler

[manic flint]

Spino is a bully brawler tank
Rex is a high damage predator/scavenger
Giga is an endurance hadro and sauropod hunter

[paper oriole]

Giga will likely still be the bleeder who avoids flat out brawls while rex remains the apex slaughterer

unless they drastically change something

[gray loom]

Okay fair enough those are good points, but then how is spino supposed to be an invigorating experience with 6 hours of grow time and a somewhat server population based playstyle

[limber hull]

ptera and deinos are examples of carnivores that defy the previous conception of what it meant to be a carnivore. Deino is slow and sluggish, to the point it can rarely ever catch its prey, but can utilise an entirely different environment from its foes to ambush and attack. Ptera is an example of a carnivore that is almost physically incapable of hunting

[manic flint]

It's gonna be a similar playstyle to sucho but in different areas and against different playables

[paper oriole]

could also see rex not being very effective against brachi who is harder to fracture and would wear a rex out, but at the same tine giga would blow chunks against an anky who is highly resistant to bleed

[limber hull]

also, being spino would mean essentially you get to walk around and claim whatever the fuck you see and no one can stop you. The allure of basically being able to control an entire area as a spino would likely make the animal quite appealing to some

[gray loom]

Fair and those 2 are very cool and unique, but deinos gonna need a bit of a change to its hunger because right now it doesnt have enough coming to the waters edge to stay alive very long to the point where its either cannibalize or risk going on land to take whatever it can without being stegoed to death

[paper oriole]

just harass everybody who gets too close to your pool, and if a rex rolls up you can just hippo in to the lake and laugh at his fat ass because he cant touch you

[gray loom]

fair enough that sounds cool

[limber hull]

spino will have control also over aquatic and terrestrial, meaning that its existence would be so horrifying that people wouldn't even dare touch your drinking water lmao

[gray loom]

right now we can only dream of such an animal

[limber hull]

but this all comes at the price of being a pretty shit hunter and surviving primarily on a piscivore diet

[gray loom]

yea imo thats probably whats gonna make it not that much of a fav for me because as a carni theres just that undeniable satisfaction in eating your kill. Its a reward for the work done

[manic flint]

Opinions
Who should win the matchup, spino or rex?

[limber hull]

spino

rex is an ambush

spino bralwer

[manic flint]

Would spino be slower on land with those Jurassic park 3 lookin legs

[limber hull]

probably lmao

i doubt spino is outrunning the rex

[manic flint]

Probably outstam it tho

[limber hull]

idk if a massive semi-aquatic creature with such weight really would lmao

[manic flint]

If it looked like Fred's yes
Not this fucker

[limber hull]

spino would probably be a better swimmer but a rex could easily run away from one imho

[manic flint]

It looks just like rex with a long face and a sail.... I hate its design
I'm going to pretend it has Fred's design
So yes it should be slower but be able to swim away ez

Spino = big cerato

[paper oriole]

i wish we had tap spino

[limber hull]

spino kind of is a big cera tbh

[manic flint]

Without the scavenging

Rex gets that

I hope they will be able to distinguish Acro/Giga and Sucho/Spino

[limber hull]

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[outer sphinx]

idk whats with people and thats a boring playstyle for x etc... then dont play that, play smth that has a gameplay loop you like, not everything has nor will fulfill your desires

[echo tiger]

[outer sphinx]

islecord smh my head

[echo tiger]

Wewlad

[random hazel]

@tranquil sun agree, some sort of spawn protection when you log in would be nice..

[gritty helm]

we all do

it's such a good design and honestly, given how far away apex's are I still think they could scrap the current design or just edit the model the look closer to that drawing but we probably won't get that

[gritty helm]

you'll probably still be able to do that tbf but you just wouldn't get much nutrients out of it

[subtle ruin]

Or you just simply log out in a safe place.

[paper oriole]

The decision on log location doesn’t really take server crashes or disconnects in to account and those arent exactly uncommon for the isle

[warm flame]

and there's also spawning in as a baby where you can spawn right in the mouth of a big predator

[paper oriole]

Ive camped spawn sites myself in the past its true, you can spawn in unlucky and just get killed so fast lol

[warm flame]

just yesterday I got spawn killed twice because first time I spawned infront of a carno who was chasing a little utah, second time I spawned RIGHT in a deino's mouth

I remember when they added the regional spawning system, don't see why they add the opposite of that where when you pick for example center you spawn further away from other players, not super far but something to keep people from waiting at spawns to kill you

there's even a spawn point at center next to the river, I spawned there once while a deino was swimming in it, he didn't see me but still the risk was there

[icy lion]

@indigo crest Brachi and apato/bronto will be in the game eventually

Just not any time soon

[indigo crest]

Oooo

i wont be able to wait lol

[random hazel]

usually I do that, sometimes you still get caught, but in this case my carno actually glitched out in between two palm trees and couldn't move so I safe logged and when I came back the next morning I got oof'd

[gray loom]

@fallen cargo couldnt agree more

[subtle ruin]

yes, but as you see, you knew you logged off in a not safe spot. Why would you ask for a spawn protection at all? That's just silly.
Also, when i had a worse pc for me the loading time took 30+sec. Now i load in less then 3 sec.

[paper oriole]

Lmao that happened to me as a ptera though i escaped, whole hoard of pachies using a bait body

[fallen cargo]

pachy is legit worse than prenerf carno at this rate, and people are actually advocating for it for whatever reason

[mellow sphinx]

When the nesting system comes they should make it so 2/3 of an animals diet can be found in a place that'd be generally good for that dinos nesting and then you can just go on a migration for the 3rd resources while maintaining a relatively good diet with 2/3

[keen basin]

That’s a good idea

[gray loom]

maybe just 1 of the 3 because otherwise theyd just stay in the same place for long periods at a time

[keen basin]

That’s kinda true lol

[mellow sphinx]

If it's one i doubt anyone will be in that area since you can find 1/3 of your resources jsut about anywhere, there'd be nothing that'd make that spot good for nesting

[spark juniper]

Hey have there any talks about the devs fixing the incredible fps drop issues when near groups of players? On Evrima

I am running a beast gaming coputer, and see my fps go down below 10 fps when near groups of players

makes the game unplayable for fighting, hunting, and even sight seeing in groups

[bold palm]

i wonder if they will combine 5 and 6 from the roadmap

[limber hull]

the updates?

[bold palm]

yeah

[limber hull]

very unlikely lmao

nesting, skins and NV are already pretty significant on their own, but to throw in gore too and maybe even troodon would be crazy\

[bold palm]

ya, lots to do still that's for sure.

omg pig vs adult pt 2 shotted me wtf

should've dropped with one alt bite from me

[limber hull]

dont fuck with the boars they don't fuck around

[bold palm]

ya no they don't dammit

[limber hull]

also boar beats ptera most of the time lmao

[bold palm]

and i see what TCJ said about the fps/lag was doing that big time around the AI for me just now.

seemed like it kept loading and unloading sections of the map.

setting r.ViewDistanceScale=x to 10 or higher may help with the sectional loading lag a bit. I don't see much of a performance issue when playing on my local server and it's a lot less map loading and unloading.

[bold palm]

def sections around oasis that load in and out as you move around the pond. I have the setting to 20, seems a lot smoother honestly and not seeing any performance loss, so devs might try setting their servers to this for all levels.

[mellow sphinx]

They're probably trying to fix it but i havent heard anything, performance has been a big issue for evrima for ages

[random hazel]

didn't I just say I was glitched in between two trees and couldn't move? I was stuck, and there were several carnos and herbis at that time, so I had to log off but I did expect something to happen the next time I'd log back in

besides it can happen anywhere, don't look at that video as the main context of the point

I would suggest a 20 - 30 second spawn protection

less if needed

[limber hull]

@buoyant island ptera isnt a hunter lmao, its stats are literally the opposite

[barren zephyr]

scavenger 😎

[outer sphinx]

nah you dont get it, every dino needs to be able to hunt and fight bc legacy did that so thats what should happen now too

[limber hull]

its in carnivore why doesn't it hunt and kill everything wtf

[outer sphinx]

this is shit, i cant fight everything with whatever i pick, they ruined the game, herbis are new carnis

but fr, god i see this mentality way to much in this server and in general towards the game

[limber hull]

i really like how people are saying that the devs are "herbi biased" when playing legacy for one minute proves that this is literally a first in a long history of shitty, shitty herbis

im actually happy to finally see herbis that
A: Actually do shit
B: Have unique mechanics and don't feel inherently inferior to carnis

[outer sphinx]

people just cant fathom that good balancing and a big roster means that everybody has dif roles and capabilities and not just dino x with stat b higher

[deft linden]

I don't know. Diablo in Legacy was pretty badass

I love that little guy

[outer sphinx]

diablo and maia were the only 2 viable combat herbis, gali just runs, but when you look at the whole history...

and both needed very high skill compared to the carni equivalent

[deft linden]

Fair enough! Sure was fun once you got the hang of it though LOL

[outer sphinx]

and now the roles are reversed, herbis have to put close to no thought and carnis need to pull every string to have a chance

[limber hull]

diablo is cool, yea, but you had shit like fucking para and legacy pachy

god i hate legacy pachy

[outer sphinx]

3 shots utah but utah just needs 1 bite

[limber hull]

evrima pachy being OP is pachy taking vengeance for years on the bottom

honestly, let pachy have its moment

[outer sphinx]

makes me wonder how cear will be

[limber hull]

let it be OP just a bit longer

[outer sphinx]

as long as it gets brought back to reality im fine

[limber hull]

cera at least got a moment where it wasn't utter dogwater in the ceratorex fiasco

but pachy has always been low-mid to shit-tier

[outer sphinx]

like balancing with evrima feels like they are trying to reverse everything from lgeacy, who was garabge/ meh is now the best and who was very good (only utah from what we have now) very meh

[outer sphinx]

it was decent when it could 2 shot utah

[limber hull]

but that growth time and trot-speed tho

[outer sphinx]

oh wait, was pachy always longer than maia?

[limber hull]

i believe so

[outer sphinx]

oh god...

ouch

[limber hull]

i went back to legacy and have tried every animal EXCEPT pachy

literally, i would rather play any other animal than pachy

[lavish quail]

I just dont like legacy anymore

I would rather do anything else than legacy rn

it just feels awful spending so long on something knowing that its not worth it

[limber hull]

fair

[urban flax]

Herbis being absolutely stronger than their carnivore counterparts (example : pachy vs Utah) makes absolute sense and is needed for a fun game and working ecosystem
Carnis should require playing smart, and reward players for doing so

[outer sphinx]

and the herbis shouldnt be requiered to plays smart?

[urban flax]

Depends
In most cases no

Things like hypsi or dryo should have a higher skill floor than stego or pachy imo

[outer sphinx]

so then while the equivalent carni needs to put thought and skill to be able survive, the herbi can just press the 1 button to let it compete, no skill, no thought just mindless actions, and then theres the view where when a herbi knows what they are doing and have strategy they outcompete the carni in every way

[urban flax]

Herbis = lower skill floor, lower skill ceiling
Carnis = higher skill floor, higher skill ceiling

[outer sphinx]

pachy and teno would say otherwise, low skill floor, high skill ceilling

[urban flax]

That's why I said "most"
Teno requires skill to play, and it's fine
I'm not sure about pachy (I know it's overtuned)

[outer sphinx]

most... are more than half of the finished herbis and teno requieres a bit more skill than pachy but still nothing compared to carno/ utah

stego beeing just in the wrong place at the wrong time

[tame jetty]

@buoyant island I like ur suggestion, but to avoid pteras being used as easy tracking radars. Maybe make the input in ur suggestion that the ptrea have to be a X close distance (not too far) from the tracks in the sky to see and track them?

[buoyant island]

I would agree, generally i think of it as 'sure they may have to fly lower, enoug hto see well too, but they shouldn't be just.. unable to'

[tame jetty]

Totally, I haven't been able to play for a little bit. So I was unaware of this, but do agree, as long it dosent make ptrea op in tracking and easy to abuse for mixpacker abusers:D

[buoyant island]

I do acknowledge those who try hard enough will get this anyways, but i still feel it's unfair to just.. make pteras /unable/ to track all together unless landed since they are expected to hunt while flying and survive a landing by not landing right by a predator, which could be easy to miss if one is hiding or just..in general with how dense some foilage can be around safe rocks sometimes

[gritty helm]

as they should

[inner crow]

I safe log broken or whats going on? I safe logged out of eu1 yesterday with my fully grown carno, today when I logon im a baby raptor??? like what?

[compact hare]

relog untill you log back as carno

[zinc rivet]

@tidal rose this chat exists for discussing feedback

you wouldn't die at the 5 hour mark that's not how Elders work

if Stego is 5 hours, you'd likely die of old age at about 10 hours

you hit Adult and have a long healthy life until you reach a certain point where your age would catch up to you

forcing players to rotate with mandatory Elders wouldn't directly encourage you to play another animal, but it does allow the server to be able to have niches and territories open up when a dominant animal dies and allows for others to take it's spot

say you want to play Carno, but there's a megapack of Carnos dominating the server

they will have to die out eventually

lets everyone get a chance and disallows people from just creating an unkillable group and being unable to be contested

I think it'd be a healthy rotation

[zinc rivet]

or you want to play literally any Predator, but every single Herbi is forming a megaherd of Stegos

their age will get the best of them at some point

[fallen cargo]

Still, being forced into a wipe wouldn't encourage me or alot of other people to bother playing the game, if we spend hours of our lives playing and growing a dino for it to get wipped by a game mechanic then it'd be punishment for no reason, I say keep elders as an optional thing

[zinc rivet]

otherwise they'd just graze and be unstoppable, no fun for anyone

[sly ibex]

Not a fan of mandatory elders tbh

Should be kept optional imo

[zinc rivet]

I think they said when you actually die of old age will be also independent from becoming Elder itself

so mandatory Elder but you get to choose when you actually die

[fallen cargo]

When did they say that?

[zinc rivet]

back in the old general chat before they wiped it for no good fckin reason

you get to go into the sleeping animation but it's for dying of age

somethin like that

[sly ibex]

Wouldn't that kinda ruin your whole idea tho? because if that was the case people would simply not choose to die and ignore it

[zinc rivet]

they'd be weaker

allot weaker

old achey bones grandpa dinos

[fallen cargo]

Still, I don't like that idea, seems dumb to waste hours of our lives growing a dino and when we finally get it, were limited by a timer counting down to death, it works much better as an optional elder thing, big boost in stats for a breif time on the island

[sly ibex]

lol

[zinc rivet]

growing isn't that bad tbh

I don't think it is at least

4 hours for a Stegosaurus seems fair to me

2 hours for Teno and Carno, 1 hour for everything smaller

[sly ibex]

Yeah but it wouldn't be too rewarding to spend hours growing a stego only to know it's got a ''timer'' of 10hrs before it dies because of the mandatory elder thing and you gotta start all over again

[zinc rivet]

that's like not much time, and you can break it up into multiple sessions to save more time too

[fallen cargo]

I don't mean growth times, I mean the actual challenge of growing, actually seeing adult stage

[sly ibex]

It can be fun to try and keep your dino alive for as long as possible

[zinc rivet]

it's rly not that hard tho

[zinc rivet]

and then you eventually get bored and kys anyway

[fallen cargo]

For carnis it can be, I've met a Utah that literally has never seen adult stage

[zinc rivet]

or people form megapacks/megaherds that will never die out

[sly ibex]

They all die out eventually, from my experience anyways

[zinc rivet]

that's bc Utah has a high skill floor, people misunderstand how to actually play the animal, and Carno is too oppressive right now

Utah isn't a good example lol

[fallen cargo]

Yeah, they get bored and kill eachother lol

[zinc rivet]

Utah is probably the hardest animal to play rn

[fallen cargo]

I'd argue carno is the toughest, idk I might just have too many hours in Utah lol

[zinc rivet]

absolutely not

Carno is piss easy

[fallen cargo]

I reach adult and die to massive packs of Utah's usually

[zinc rivet]

the hunger drain can bog you down at times but just eat smaller Carnos lol

[zinc rivet]

you can just run away from them?

[fallen cargo]

Nah, they catch up with new tracking

[sly ibex]

Ngl i think deino has it pretty hard rn

[zinc rivet]

so keep running

[sly ibex]

Because of the diet anyways

[fallen cargo]

I run out of Stam, and they catch me, running is a no go

[zinc rivet]

Deino is either easy as fuck yet INCREDIBLY boring, OR you go to Center Pond to actually play the game and die

[sly ibex]

Yeah

[zinc rivet]

idk what to say other than you jus gotta do it better. I do it often

if you use your entire stam pool in one go then yeah you're gonna die but just stay on the move and use it in bursts to make distance

you should be fine

[fallen cargo]

i mean fair, ive only reached adult carno 3 times, and one of those times i died because of a pachy utah mixpack, the pachy stun locked me until my leg was broke and all 4 utahs pounced me

[zinc rivet]

thats shit

[sly ibex]

That sucks

[fallen cargo]

yeah took the fun right out of it, i wasnt mad i lost, just dissapointed how i lost

[inner crow]

Okay I dont wanna shit talk the game or anything but waht the actual fuck just happend

so im a fullgrown carno and somehow a like 10% pachy disabled my leg completley and out of no where comes two tenos attacking

Like how can I tiny pachy disable a thing 20x its size

[fallen cargo]

It's a bug I believe, one that pachy mains are heavily abusing

[inner crow]

ah

Okay then I was just shocked like how could a tiny thing I one shot disable me completely

awell hopefully they fix it soon enough

[fallen cargo]

It's absurd, I hope so too, maybe a small nerf to pachy as well so it can't stun lock things lol

[ashen wasp]

That's a good way to fold a Quetz, i'd say

[tidal rose]

@zinc rivet I know the discussion exists here. though I wanted to put my own feedback on elders since I know its a feature thats coming. I personally feel the opposite and I just adressed it as such. I know you wouldn't keel over in 5 hours and whatnot, but I still don't want an expiration date by natural causes to my dinosaur

Also megapacks won't be stopped by it. Assuming that yes they die over time, the dead ones would just come back and grow with the other adults and whatever

It would weaken the megapacks, sure but not get rid of them

[outer sphinx]

since you brought at the end in your comment (not this one) how elders will work, imo getting to elders should make you play the intended way, so when you reach elder and become the strongest version of yourself you have how much time of just pure deathmatch and chaos untill you start getting weaker

[tidal rose]

@outer sphinx Look, I am not saying elders shouldn't do x or y. I mean they could do that or they could do something else. I just want the eldership to be a choice rather than forced, that's all.

Heck elders could grow to godzilla sizes for all I care, I just don't want it mandatory

[outer sphinx]

afaik you need to do specific things to reach elder (aka play as "intended") so if you dont go down that route exactly you are not gonna reach elder

[tidal rose]

Well, there you go

As long as you get to avoid it somehow i am happy with that.

[outer sphinx]

like the idea of all of this is: you play as intended and you get the full content of the game

or you dont and just get the base content

[tidal rose]

yeah fair enough

[lavish quail]

I dont wanna die as anything just to be stronger for a bit

[outer sphinx]

like the way i see the mechanics: diets are mandatory, nesting isnt nor are perks but one impacts your gameplay directly and the other is requiered for edlers, which are also requiered for strains

[lavish quail]

i would rather be a normal pachy vibing in a group than a dominant alpha chad pachy leading the group then dying like an hour later

[outer sphinx]

but thats kinda why i'd say it should be more manadatory to reach elders, bc you work hard and get how long to just go around and kill shit, or you work more to reach strains when the real fun beggins

[lavish quail]

Elder players after being shitstomped by the same dinosaur but with a strain

[outer sphinx]

not every dino will get strains

[lavish quail]

Sorry elder carnivore*

[outer sphinx]

tho hypo carno and utah might be the most dangerous just bc they have speed

[lavish quail]

because the devs hate herbis

[outer sphinx]

herbis cant eat meat, just useless to work so long eating plants just to start eating meat

[lavish quail]

Where is my sunlight eating herbi strain

Eat da sunlight during the day

and become weaker a night

#rosebushkentro

[tidal rose]

Imagine a giant herbie with a strain. Becomes the ultimate lawnmower

[vagrant trench]

lmao

[manic flint]

Bring back Global suggestion #1493

Because a global chat makes sense in a dinosaur horror survival game

[paper oriole]

people want global chat so they can go "hey utahs you hungry? :3 come share this body with me :)"

so gross

[manic flint]

Exactly

Global chat wouldn't even work with humans cause that would be kinda OP

[paper oriole]

global may have had occasional usefulness but way too much of it was people being way too friendly with eachother. it only belongs in sandbox

humans being able to communicate across the map from their bases would be fine

but stuff like portable radios would have to either be limited range, rare or risky to use due to noise in order to balance out

[manic flint]

I agree with all of that

[warm flame]

"any utha pack?"

[manic flint]

"press S for spino egg"
"press S for sucho egg"

So daft

"rexes you can eat that body I'm full"

I can't believe people didn't hate global
I always turned it off

[fallen cargo]

Then you get the Trike screaming "RULE BREAK" in chat 50 times

[manic flint]

Water and body down rules in legacy were cancer

[fallen cargo]

I agree

[manic flint]

Oh yOu RaN iN 1 CeNtImEtER oF wAtEr RuLeBrEaK aDmIn HeLp!1!1

The only rule I can respect is no mixpacking

Simply because it's not balanced

[fallen cargo]

Yeah, or you walk to get water because youre dying of dehydration and the admin teleports you back to your body and threatens to ban you if you don't just die lol

[manic flint]

At least body dragging exists so you can't body deny with water

Is what I would say if dieno didnt exist

But still that's not body denying it's still edible

It's just the same as running into a rex in legacy lol

[sonic sapphire]

how to get the spino?

im new

?

[warm flame]

you have to play an unofficial server in legacy and either be nested or buy/request one in the server's discord

or simply play a sandbox server

[sonic sapphire]

ok but i want it for survival

[warm flame]

then this

also this isn't the place to ask

[sonic sapphire]

sorry

[paper oriole]

wtf comparing ptera to an eagle? bruh lol

seein that shit way too often

[manic flint]

Ptera =/= eagle
Ptera is a coastal fish eater
An eagle is a plains dwelling hunter

[paper oriole]

eagles got big ass grabby claws and hooked beaks for tearing flesh

[manic flint]

Ptera does not

[paper oriole]

ptera has farfalle pasta lookin as toes and a straight beak to pick up fish

[manic flint]

Ptera probably dove like a sea bird or something

But used its beak
If ain't picking anything up with those toes
This ain't ark

[paper oriole]

it may have stabbed some shit with its beak like a stork but ptera aint gonna be playing eagle

[manic flint]

Yea

[sacred moat]

I’m honestly a big fan of the idea that elders will no longer being optional

[limber crypt]

Mj

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[paper oriole]

I agree

[limber hull]

ptera is more like a fucking seagull lmao

[paper oriole]

maybe ptera can hover over a juvie and slap them with its feet like "plp plp plp"

[limber hull]

screams, annoying, steals food, lives primarily near water, etc

[paper oriole]

i hope ptera can raid merc supply stores and shit like seagulls and pelicans raid fish markets

[limber hull]

stop trying to make pteras hunter, and make it what it was always meant to be, a flying nuisance

[paper oriole]

people wanting ptera to act like midget quetz its so annoying

[limber hull]

let quetz be quetz ffs

[paper oriole]

it's quetz's job to stab people and steal kids smh trying to steal his job

[limber hull]

"boy, i sure hope our only two flying reps are completely the same in every regard except size, stats and model"

[paper oriole]

they want their instant growth leather albatross to be making an actual dent in the food chain like bruh

i basically main ptera and i think it would be ridiculous to buff it

[limber hull]

people who see "carnivore" and have a fucking monkey moment where they just assume

eats meat
meat = dinosaur
should be able to kill a stego
is fucking stupid

[paper oriole]

like that guy who got mad that he attacked a juvie deino ON THE SHORE because it went back in to the water instead of dying

[limber hull]

its actually incredible really

[paper oriole]

people want all dinos on the carni faction to be hypercarnivorous murder machines who all have the same playstyle of killkillkill stack body count until you die playstyle

[limber hull]

tbf, i can see why people are upset with the roster, since we essentially have
2 active hunters
1 big-ass ambush predator that's entirely dependent on map design
1 bird which has little to no impact on the ecosystem

VS

3 combat capable herbivores, one of which is a defensive apex and the other two are pseudo-mid and small-sized brawlers
2 evasive animals no one plays

[paper oriole]

yeah the roster build is full of mistakes

we should have gotten cerato instead of carno, so carnis have a brawler and the land apex isnt lightning mqueen, stego and deino should have waited too

[limber hull]

i just wanted sucho man. Sucho would make deino have something to fight and both of their lives would have something interesting to watch out for

rather than deino dying of boredom

not to mention the fact that oasis would be FAR less popular if sucho was in, as guess who's going to really really like the concept of hanging out in a shallow-edged pond full of fish? That's right, it's sucho, and with suchos lurking around, people would feel WAY less comfortable hanging out near there all the time

[paper oriole]

devs: adds aquatic ambush predator who relies on people coming to its water source
also devs: adds a shit ton of shallows that are super easy to access so people dont drink where deinos can hunt, then puts those inaccessable animals on deino's diet

[limber hull]

Sucho wouldn't even fuck up the ecosystem because it's slow as balls

It can't CATCH anything that would be threatened by it's size

And it can self-sustain on fish

IMHO, people sleeping on sucho, and the worst part is, they intended to add sucho in U3 then scrapped the idea

I am a GENUINE sucho advocate for EVRIMA

[paper oriole]

right now the only thing actually benefitting on elite fish are juvie deinos so at least somebody else would be eating them lol

[nimble yoke]

Sucho should of been in update 3 or baryonix

[limber hull]

Big brawling bastard that stops shallow reliance, gives deino shit to do with its sad pathetic life, actually gives growing deinos something to fear, locks down iconic hotspots and makes them into their territory, etc

[paper oriole]

bary is getting a makeover so his absence makes sense

if they wanted a big herbi for utahs to pack hunt they could have added para too since it would be less of a nightmare to balance

[nimble yoke]

or maia, or literally anything except stego save for anky

[limber hull]

I'd say sucho first, then bary. In the case of aquatics, we did not start off small, we need to work our way down to the smaller shit imho, because having beipis and barys at the same time as THE GATOR GOD HIMSELF would make for a very scuffed ecosystem. Plus, sucho has all the benefits of not actively destroying the game's existing ecosystem

[paper oriole]

anky would be a nightmare in the current ecosystem too

[limber hull]

anky would be worse than stego lmao

[paper oriole]

anky shouldnt be getting touched by utahs tbh

at least stego is a bleedable animal

[limber hull]

anky should LITERALLY be IMMUNE to utahs tbh

[nimble yoke]

anky shouldn't be touched by much tbh, only apexes probably

[paper oriole]

utah should pounce on anky and just be scrape scrape scrape uselessly on its back lol

making noise like a cat skidding on hard floor

[limber hull]

anky's entire gimmick should be slow as fuck wanderer that basically only fears rex and nothing much else

not even a giga makes sense to be scaring an anky

[paper oriole]

maybe spino due to grapple but he still would have to be very wary of the tail

[nimble yoke]

to be fair if it gets flipped over its over

[limber hull]

spino's pathetic fucking jaws should barely be doing squat to an anky

[paper oriole]

i mean arms

to shove the anky over and get at the unarmoured side

but still hed have to do that without getting his knees cracked like eggs

[limber hull]

the only other suggestion i've heard for an anky predator is a metric fuckton of troodons

which, frankly, sounds hilarious, but the anky needs counterplay to crush the little ants

[paper oriole]

a metric fuckton of troodons could take on quite a few animals troodon shouldnt usually be even glancing at to be fair

imagine a whole 149 troodons vs 1 brachi

that would be hilarious

[limber hull]

well troodon doesn't bleed, it injects with venom, and troodon can attack from low enough that it actually avoids the armour

[nimble yoke]

attack on titan right there

[paper oriole]

imagine when trample comes and anky just decides to walk

[compact hare]

ambush shouldnt come in my opinion, you can surprise attack faster prey just fine.
Unless you are trying to catch an AI, since the ones for now seem to have a third eye or something

[paper oriole]

Boars at least just offer themselves up to be pounced on lol just come right at you

[compact hare]

yea

[paper oriole]

I just save my stam and walk up to then

[zinc rivet]

@nimble yoke literally every land predator in the game can outrun all of the herbivores,,, what lmao

[zinc rivet]

Anky has sleeves on it's arms with Troodon in mind. Tons of buffer flesh that the venom won't get past

all Anky needs to do is just not let the Troodons get under

[compact hare]

Magy is gonna be faster than allo remember
jk

[zinc rivet]

if they do get under, lay down and crush em lol

but it's forearms are shielded with flesh to resist venomous bites

[paper oriole]

[nimble yoke]

I just wanted to see if I could stur up a convo XD, more so though thinking of future with cera, allo and other slower mid tiers

[paper oriole]

They are slower for a reason

[compact hare]

LMAOOO Im saving this video I love it

[paper oriole]

An allo doesn't need to be catching up to damn gallis lmao

[zinc rivet]

eh I still think Ambush should stay gone. I don't think it's a good mechanic. Helps keep predators in their niches. Using foliage and terrain to hide yourself for an ambush works well enough for Evrima, bc the foliage is actually dense

[paper oriole]

If ambush returns it should return as a re-designed special ability to something but we don’t need that shit across the board

If some ambush predator had an improved ambush ability to set it apart from others then it might not be so pointless

[zinc rivet]

I'd be happy if Ambush was a special ability for an individual animal

for like Alberto or Acro or somethin

like Carnotaurus ram but way less limiting and without the automatic knockdown hit

[paper oriole]

Legacy ambush was often just spammed to increase run speed or used in the middle of confrontations too so it couldn’t just be that same design

Carno ram is sort of an ambush ability itself, though not exclusively

[limber hull]

you could also argue deino has ambush speed with the lunge out of water

[paper oriole]

True

[limber hull]

also legacy ambush speed was poo poo and it made combat lame as hell

[paper oriole]

Combat between mid tiers+ was either full assride or just two people crouching and ambush speeding at eachother lmao

[limber hull]

exactly

[paper oriole]

Aren’t they technically still mechanics testing humans (even though nobody is making feedback on them now lol)

[bold palm]

Think i'll play some QA tonight

but then prob not many playing so prob go back to public or pass out. lul

[icy lion]

This channel is for discussing posts in #general-feedback. If you want to chat about the Isle, please use #isle-discussion

[paper oriole]

technically it was discussing a post in feedback, seeing as the feedback was implying that mechanics test was over when in actuality it is just dead

[lusty seal]

i like the music

[barren zephyr]

@ember mountain #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[outer sphinx]

people just want everything in the game to be able to hunt and fight bc they cant fathom smth else

[outer sphinx]

dont say that like you dont just as well that people want the same for every herbi lol

people really are stuck in the legacy mentality

[sand lantern]

Does spino have to be an apex? Like ik the model looks sick but a giant swiming dinosaur is still awesome! I can understand why they went with spino as the 3rd apex cause or else it would be another carcar or something but did we really need a 3rd apex?

Is there a tiny chance they will change spino to the original concept art and make the current model like an elder or something?

[limber hull]

how would spino NOT be an apex?

[urban flax]

Yes, there is a tiny chance for that to happen
I'd say around 0.1%

[sand lantern]

Nice

[limber hull]

it far outsizes the other apexes

[urban flax]

Not according to the most recent studies :P

[sand lantern]

But it still isn’t spino

[limber hull]

true, but neither is legacy spino and I prefer EVRIMA to whatever the fuck legacy's spino was

[sand lantern]

Yeah

They would have to make lots of map changes for a semi aquatic spino but it would be so cool

[barren zephyr]

I myself prefer Evrima Spino design a bit over real life counterpart

[sand lantern]

When spino is added he will just be a better sucho

Well at least that’s what it looks like

Sucho with better stats

I was fine and really excited for spino when I saw the hope trailer cause it looked insane and I didn’t want to play that stupid looking quadruped then I learnt about spino’s new tail and got depression from the hope trailer

[limber hull]

I disagree, I feel sucho will have its own niche to stand on, primarily being a much faster animal

[outer sphinx]

a walking bilboard

[lavish quail]

damn when did we get that walk

magy looking sick

that flap is a vibe

[lavish quail]

I luv evrima spino

needs a sail tail though

give it one of those and i would be a spino main despite it probably taking 12h to grow

[gray loom]

@jade schooner I like those ideas, and they should be implemented. Except the trex part. Irl it had well over a 200 degree fov.

[jade schooner]

Yes, but we have to count for binocular vision as the focus camera.

The rex still will be able to look a wide part of the screen, due to the camera distance to the dinosaur. But ideally it shouldn’t be able to zoom out much. Not like it needs it anyways.

Reality and gameplay are also factors one should consider. So how much should a rex be able to zoom out? Or how much does it need it? It’s a huge predator, doesn’t really need it in my opinion

[outer sphinx]

theres a point where we need to stop with the reality, Rex was so overengineered that evolution def was on crack, we cant give it everything it had irl since then its easily the best heavy weight in every margin

[tidal rose]

@hard bane you do realize that the footsteps in evrima already are comically loud?

[paper oriole]

Footsteps in evrima are inconsistent af

[tidal rose]

@hard bane https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL47kRwCgPM and https://youtu.be/JUSE2SaJgwE?t=82

Footsteps should be more silent if anything

[outer sphinx]

loud yes... kinda, consistent... fuck no

[paper oriole]

Sometimes im going thumpthump as a pachy but then when i charge i become a ninja or some shit and ive noticed it is similar with carno

[outer sphinx]

also how your footsteps overpower any other sounds sometimes...

[paper oriole]

Footsteps randomly cut off when people make noise and can be broken like that for 10 damn minutes too though that is clearly a bug

Even if i didnt hear a faint call, my footstep sounds will cut out due to it

[hard bane]

If I realized I wouldn't be putting down that feedback lol. I don't think they're loud in comparison to Legacy which was my comparison. Dinos weigh significantly more than elephants and rhinos, and are also why I specified the big bois in particular.

[paper oriole]

The level of noise large foot steps make is subjective, but legacy's trashbag walk on the apexes was so bad lol

[hard bane]

haha xD yeah they were a bit much.

[paper oriole]

Sounded like they were walking on shipping containers covered in plastic lol

[tidal rose]

@hard bane Wrong on the size. Rhino is almost as heavy as a carno and an elephant is 6 tons, you know what other animal is 6 tons in the game? our steg. So the steg could be just as silent as an elephant

And a rex is 7 tons. Just one ton more than an african elephant

[paper oriole]

Rex supposedly had padded feet as well

[tidal rose]

So no, dinosaurs aren't really bigger than elephants and rhinos if you look at it weight wise

[paper oriole]

Makes sense for animals to be able to be pretty silent in the open plains, especially since it is easier to be cautious in that biome. The silence of a carno shoving its ass through bushes is more of a discussion though

[tidal rose]

I could see a brachi or one of the BIG BIG ones being super loud, but anything rex size has a decent chance of being rather silent

Yeah. Id say add sounds as in rustling through bushes instead of super explody footsteps

[paper oriole]

Large animals who don’t belong in the forest especially should be making a ruckus

[tidal rose]

Yeah agreed

[paper oriole]

Makes them stay in their niche more

[tidal rose]

Yeah thats a good idea

ill put it in suggestions.

feedback i mean

[hard bane]

Fair points. On an aesthetic reason I still would go for more weighty sounds. But I guess it just depends how far realistic the developers want to take it.

[paper oriole]

I could see lower to the ground animals like juvies making less rustling as well as some forest specialists

[hard bane]

Yes, definitely. I think as the development goes on it would be interesting to see what new variations of sounds come up

[glass mulch]

@visual yarrow I get your point and all but that’s an Albertosaurus

[visual yarrow]

the Albertosaurus is still almost as big as the rex

and btw i searched deinosuches attacking a rex

[livid lantern]

Can we plz fix fish spawn for Ptera

[manic flint]

Thats an alberto and I think that deino is oversized but I could be wrong on that

[barren zephyr]

@visual yarrow Make sense tbh, would be hard to kill something with a 60cm thagomizer that can impale you than some rex that kills with teeth but rex will have a neck grapple in the isle future so..

[manic flint]

Turn off friendly fire suggestion #178

At least this is a different reason lmao

[manic flint]

@marsh glacier That is a very old picture and I'm 90% sure that's an alberto, and their point was 'look stego is OP cause a deino can do this to a rex'

[marsh glacier]

Ahh maybe it is hmm

[limber hull]

that's such a silly argument too

"here's a single interpretation of a deino against a rex, therefor stego will beat rex"

also istg that rex is very small lmao

[marsh glacier]

I mean that’s not why the art was made. This was made by professionals showing examples on how Deinosuchus was like. I mean if you put a deino in the game without wanting it to be as good as it should be then why put it.

It’s like putting a Rex in the game lol

[barren zephyr]

Oh I thought that was gorgosaurus.

[marsh glacier]

It’s a close cousin apparently to the Tyrannosaurus

[marsh glacier]

Rex was definitely not small do you even know how big Deinosuchus are lmao

[limber hull]

i can tell for a fact either that's a young rex or that's not the deinosuchus we have in the Isle

[marsh glacier]

The Deinosuchus we have in the isle isn’t even as accurate as it should be and Deinosuchus are huge they can go up to 40 feet long and have one of the strongest jaws ever. Rexes weigh similar to that.

[last lily]

It’s definitely meant to be an Albertosaurus, which for clarification are nowhere near as big as an adult Rex

[marsh glacier]

That picture isn’t a Rex

[last lily]

Talking 3 ish tons vs 8-9 tons

[limber hull]

yes, that is true, but comparing such an animal to the Isle animal and then say "oh, because the size chosen for the Isle is smaller and loses to stego, and in this completely unrelated image of a deino attacking a rex where the deino likely wins, the rex in the isle will lose to the stego"

its such a mental leap of logic it's baffling

[marsh glacier]

I mean you chose to put in a Deinosuchus in the game it’s what you expect to be a Deinosuchus. Like I said it’s like you put a Rex in the game without even making it like a Rex. Why even put it in the game at that point. Why would you even want a Deinosuchus to match up with a stegosaurus? Lmao Yes Deinosuchus is at the top of the food chain so it should bully people. People just can’t be dumb and stand next to a Deinosuchus. At least they eat the bodies unlike stegosaurus who kill everything and body block. Anyways this is just my opinion.

[limber hull]

also, about that dryo suggestion, i don't think dryo should get more combat capabilities, it just makes it another weird fighter that does combat worse than say, a pachy

[marsh glacier]

The Dryo honestly still needs a lot of work.

[limber hull]

i agree

but i dont believe it needs combat power

Since either
A: Its combat will barely help it escape from predators
B: It just makes dryo another fighter in the massive combat hellscape that is EVRIMA atm.

[marsh glacier]

Nah I agree its mechanics needs work. Like digging and all.

[limber hull]

Yea

I'd make it a skittish nocturnal herbivore

[marsh glacier]

Dryo is basically a AI

Lmao

[limber hull]

Make it prefer the darkness to the day and have it deal more with dilos and troodons

Since I find its matchups with utah and carnos kinda lame

It just dies if it gets caught, not much else going on in that department

[marsh glacier]

Yeah true

[limber hull]

Troodon could actually be a predator it COULD fight back against without it looking stupid, since the troodon is so small, and dilo isn't as absurdly fast as the utah or the carno thus dryo would have more potential to escape it

[manic flint]

Make dryo a nighttime burrower
It should be able to kick the shit out of Troodon and the like
And very agile to escape dilo and such
And hide in burrows in the day or to escape Utah's and carnos

[paper oriole]

friendly fire removal

Thats so gross

[tight oxide]

gonna be funny knowing that theres dryos chilling in a borrow with backup food while you're a starving day time carni

[limber hull]

and then a juvi utah breaks into a burrow and wrecks havoc

[limber hull]

the need for water being reduced makes sense on certain animals, especially stego imo, which should live a fair distance from water and prefer the plains, but reduced on all animals and we'll see deino be invalidated

[paper oriole]

Deino is invalidated by the insane abundance of shallow drinking water and riverbanks no longer being useable for wallowing. Getting rid of some shallows and making river mud have a use again would be a worthwhile tradeoff for not having to drink every 10 seconds

[limber hull]

that too

[tight oxide]

they could always make mud pools appear more often near rivers and lakes

and let deino hide in those

[glass mulch]

Alright this made me annoyed, they are not even close in size.
Albertosaurus is about the size of an Allosaurus, not a Tyrannosaurus.

Tyrannosaurus is more than 3 times as large

they are not almost the same size

they're not even close

Where the hell did you get the fact that they are close in size?

[outer sphinx]

he searched deinosuchus fighting rex duh

[glass mulch]

the most accurate way of getting stuff

I just searched "Deinosuchus fighting rex" and I think these are daspletos (which are closer to rex in size)

why didn't he use this?

[outer sphinx]

what was the first image?

[glass mulch]

The image he used?

[outer sphinx]

then laziness is the answear

[limber hull]

look at that shit

so tiny lmao

[fallen cargo]

I mean it is tough to know the scale of these Giants so I can see the confusion, as someone that just recently learned of the albertosaurys existence I definitly didn't know how big it was next to a deino, but yeah, going off of Google images to see how the matchups between the in-game Dino's is a bit dumb, but I can see the confusion

[urban flax]

How can someone make such a high quality digital painting but forget to do water reflections...

[fallen cargo]

You do hate to see it

[outer sphinx]

The head gives it away most ngl

[fallen cargo]

Fr? Idk I can't really see the difference but again I don't have too much experience with the dino

[outer sphinx]

the crests above the eyes are the easiest to tell, most of the time when a tyranosaurus has them its alberto

[fallen cargo]

Ahh I see, I'll keep my eye out for that difference then, it kinda looked like something just for flavour for the dino yk?

[outer sphinx]

ye alberto do be like that lmao

a more flavour rich sub rex

[fallen cargo]

Lol

[paper oriole]

Oh no i have water touching my shins now i cant use my tail to attack sound logic

[cyan flame]

I'm more curious how that would work with things that mainly uses bite or gore and stuff, pachy, allo, rex, trike. Should they also lose out on their main attacks?

[outer sphinx]

i've talked about this before, utah had it for a while but it felt bs, so either no one gest (akin to legacy) or everyone gets influenced by the nevironemtns, so stego cant swing trough trees, utah cant go trough trees while latched etc

[cyan flame]

Well yeah, but that's a solid object, and I agree, no attacks should go through that, it's not fun to sit on a rock and have a carno bite through it

[outer sphinx]

and water should by any means impact stuff like efficiency of an attack, damage, speed etc

[cyan flame]

Water does affect movement speed if you're deep enough to walk or run slower, so there is that. Should it perhaps also affect stamina drain or something if you're in deep water, perhaps. But keep in mind deep water is different depending on how tall your playable is.

[stray holly]

Game balance doesn’t always follow realism.

[paper oriole]

If water is touching my lower leg it shouldnt affect how my tail slaps a utah. In waist deep water? Sure. While seimming? Definitely. But wading lol no

[paper oriole]

I aint talking about realism im talking about how that would feel stupid as fuck

[cyan flame]

If the water is deep for one critter, it does not mean it is for another

[outer sphinx]

attacks too, tail swings and claw attacks mostly

[stray holly]

I’m not talking about that. I’m talking about how a teno/stego can be almost submerged and still use those primary attacks

[paper oriole]

Stop hanging out at oasis thats where 90% of this shit happens

[stray holly]

That’s bullshit

[outer sphinx]

oh no def, i mean like semi deep water affects this

[cyan flame]

Everything can use it's attack in deep water?

[outer sphinx]

ye biting is very easy to do in water

[stray holly]

Stegos can have water up to their shoulders and swing their tail like it’s nothing. I believe that shouldn’t be the case.

[cyan flame]

As long as you're not swimming that is, in which case only bite works, giving advantage to those that otherwise lack a useful bite

[paper oriole]

reducing damage done in deep ass water is one thing but if youre still standing and not swimming then it is a garbage idea to just disable your abilities

[outer sphinx]

oh no def, shallow water should affect like nothing, maybe we get smth like muddy water and that slows us down except semi aquatics

[paper oriole]

But even with reduced damagw a utah would probably still be getting its ass one shot by a stego as it should lol

[cyan flame]

I think it's more reasonable to add a higher stamina drain to the attacks if you're in deep water for your playable, just like how you run slower

[stray holly]

Sounds like a good idea.

[outer sphinx]

i mean in water you move slower so essnetially you deal less damage but a high stam cost could work too

[cyan flame]

Keep in mind, the situation you dislike will still apply to things that are taller than utah anyway

[stray holly]

Anything to discourage people from bolting to shallow water like pussies would be great.

[cyan flame]

Not sure it's a bad thing that people use terrain properly honestly, no matter the terrain in question

[paper oriole]

Using your environment to your advantage is just being smart

[cyan flame]

No different to hiding on rocks or just blocking an approach with trees or something really

[paper oriole]

If i dont have to sustain as much damage by standing in a puddle where utah's stubby ass legs struggle to run then why shouldn't i

[cyan flame]

Mostly I think changing damage can be weird, just making it harder in general, or more dangerous, to fight makes sense (as you'd have fewer attacks, so limiting both that and your movement). Also would make it harder to run away (and possibly play tug of war with a deino if we ever get proper interaction there)

[stray holly]

Can stegos/tenos use their tail in mud pits? I can’t recall.

[echo tiger]

Yes

[paper oriole]

Pretty sure only sniff is disabled there

[cyan flame]

I mean, using water to slow down a shorter enemy makes sense since they'd start struggling before the taller one. Carnos would be able to do that vs utahs, I think at least

[outer sphinx]

exactly, i didnt have a problem with utah getting kicked with trees etc, making your use in forests more focused on small game, except for the fact stego and teno are just able to use their swings trough trees like its no tomorrow (teno more situational but you get the jest)

[stray holly]

I think swinging your tail while in a mud pit should slow your attacks or something at least. It makes sense if you get your shit drenched in mud it’d be heavier.

[cyan flame]

Attacks going through solid objects is shitty yes, and we were promised (I think) that it wouldn't be a thing anymore

[paper oriole]

Mud pits barely reach stego's shins wtf lol

Least when i went to that shit

[stray holly]

The only case I’ve seen of people camping a mud pit is at Oasis, but then again that’s the only place anyone goes.

[cyan flame]

That seems more okay, since it's more of a specific situation and camping a mudspot is kind of meh (though you could also argue the mud spots are an issue all of their own)

[paper oriole]

People camp mud cus they cant wallow elsewhere

[pale bloom]

I used bushes today to catch Pachys and Carnos as Stego

[cyan flame]

And yes, oasis is well.. I think we all dislike it :p

[pale bloom]

The forbidden bush camp Stego tech

[paper oriole]

Oasis houses 90% of the toxic water denial, mix packing, body guarding, mud camping behaviour

[stray holly]

I honestly didn’t mind them taking away mud from all along the river banks. It felt tedious of someone just bolting to a river and staying there wallowing 10 times in a fight.

[warm flame]

utahs do this with rocks all the time, even pachies sometimes, I don't see what's wrong with an animal running to shallow water for an advantage, if you have an advantage you're going to take it

[paper oriole]

It still baffles me how people could wallow in the middle of a fight like… how shitty were their attackers?

Unless they were in a group

Which still applies here

[warm flame]

shallow water's just one of utah's disadvantages, every dinosaur has them

[stray holly]

A big chunk of this player base just doesn’t have awareness of surroundings I guess.

[cyan flame]

I think maybe a mix might be interesting and good. Deeper mud spots for longer lasting and maybe more effects, and not just the entire riverside, but parts here and there maybe for just temporary tracking.

[paper oriole]

If a godawful predator allowed somebody to wallow in the middle of a fight then they deserved the loss tbh

[stray holly]

Right. We would always go and bite them to get them out of the wallow animation.

[paper oriole]

Also riverbank wallowing benefitted deino

[stray holly]

But that was also back when you would fly off something you were pouncing as soon as they touched a drop of water.

[paper oriole]

Now deino has 3 things going against it

[warm flame]

deino's only reliable food source is deino

[outer sphinx]

yep, like it made only utah unable to even live in one of the biomes it should be in, so i really hope they are working on this or is planned soon, theres also the idea that for ex a stego cant swing when someone is body blocking them but ehh on this one

[paper oriole]

Basically

[stray holly]

Deino gameplay has just been ruined for me after this update. Can’t stand to play it now.

[paper oriole]

Nobody comes to riverbanks to wallow anymore, shit tons of shallow water and oasis. Then the devs decide its a cool idea to put specific animals on deino's diet even though it is a pure opportunist who now has several factors making it incredibly hard and luck based to keep up its diet

[warm flame]

they should make it where you can't wallow at mud near shallow water/it's nearly useless but you can wallow/get good benefits from wallowing in mud near deep water

[paper oriole]

Id be fine with that vs what we have now

[warm flame]

at least then deinos would have a chance of hunting like they're supposed instead of running on land in desperation and being made into crocodile flavored swiss cheese

[tame jetty]

👆🏼

[paper oriole]

I think most default shallows should just be straight up removed since droughts seem to be getting tested

[warm flame]

the devs instead make deino like a crocodile platypus where it can dig mud in water to make its own hunting areas

[stray holly]

To be fair, it’s the apex of the game right now. It should be difficult to grow and maintain. But if that’s the case it should be the same for a stego.

[paper oriole]

It isnt skill based difficulty it is basically just luck

It isnt the correct kind of difficult right now

[warm flame]

deino can't even hunt like it's supposed to, maybe it'll catch a few unfortunate crossing juvis who spawned on the wrong side of the river but that's it

[paper oriole]

Deino can eat fresh spawns who spawn in at the wrong side of the river at center

Basically all i ever see at the river there

Here mr 8 ton gator have a hatchling tenonto

[outer sphinx]

deino isnt a deino, its just a weird postosuchus

[stray holly]

The river connected to swamp. I usually caught things crossing deep water to get to center before the update. I still see a lot of things cross that river as a Utah after this update.

[warm flame]

there's also fish, other than that? everyone else has too much to lose to swim there

[paper oriole]

Or a ptera that fell in the water and gives you 0.01% food

Elite fish might delay your starvation by a few min as adult deino

Schooling fish give you absolutely nothing

[outer sphinx]

nah they do something... they waste your time

[stray holly]

What if they made all water on the map deep?

[paper oriole]

I had to go on land and spend 5 minutes catching a deer out of desperation before starving later on lol deino is a chore rn

[outer sphinx]

untill any other semi aquatic comes, this is the only thing they can do

[cyan flame]

Like.. can't hit through another playable? Should also go for everyone if so I think.

[paper oriole]

Nobody came to the deep water because everybody knows the safe spots in swamp and rivers

Nobody even came to the shore so i could bush ambush

[warm flame]

last I went as deino I got to like 30-40%, went on land to try to get food, ended up being spotted by a stego, the poor stam didn't give me a chance

[paper oriole]

Oof

[outer sphinx]

yep, like thinking of allos rn, they ganged up on stegos, getting right in its face so it cant move its tail rendering it useless, going into how they are theorized to grab their prey

[paper oriole]

I got to full adult at least but all i had then was regrets for not growing a utah or tenonto instead lol

[stray holly]

Right. If all water on the map is deep enough to hide a grown Deino, it could help remedy this issue. It places the responsibility on the land dweller to know where deinos frequent the rivers, and responsibility on the Deino to find the lesser populated areas where things will come to drink.

[echo tiger]

That's just bad for other aquatics tho

There should be shallow spots in the map for sure, just not as many

[paper oriole]

Personally i drink wherever unless deinos are making a ruckus there, yet i've bever been killed by a deino even once in this game

[outer sphinx]

as i said, untill any other semi aquatic comes, making the water deep is the best way

[paper oriole]

Ive seen them pop up when i leave the water edge several times too lol

But at least they had a chance

[echo tiger]

I don't think that even fixes it entirely tho, you still have to be lucky enough to find shit that you can grab and not run into herbivore mega herds or stegos

It might be the best solution now maybe but it's not a great one

[outer sphinx]

the fact that deino can go to any water reduces that luck much more when any water players haveto go to is bound to be ble to hide a deino, takes a lot out of the luck, it still has its diet which is a whole other dumpsterfire

[stray holly]

Only problem is if you keep shallow spots, it’s just gonna be a repeat of what Shallows was before this update, and what Oasis is after. Everyone and their mom is just gonna live there because they know it’s almost impossible to get ambushed by a Deino there.

[echo tiger]

Can you even escape the grab from a deino?

[stray holly]

If it runs out of stamina it’s forced to let you go. That’s the only way you can escape it’s grab.

[cyan flame]

You'd still be able to hit the closest target though? More so that an attack wouldn't go through and hit the allo next to the first one. At least that seems more reasonable, not an outright "block", more so one taking a hit while the other gets an attack in.

[echo tiger]

Then no wonder people flock to shallow spots, there's no counterplay to the grab and from what I remember the hitbox on the lunge is still fucked and inconsistent

[outer sphinx]

ye, i like that, seems reasonable

[echo tiger]

Shit for the sake of balancing for now should be able to buck out of it or something, dying to a guy who held rmb is dumb

[cyan flame]

Yeah, deino grab is very on/off. No real interaction, and unless you're a dumb deino, you don't lunge at something unless you have almost full stam, unless the underwater terrain allows for other ways to kill.

[echo tiger]

And if all the water is deep then there's no way to see them coming cause they don't make ripples in the water like they used to when it was bugged before mechanics test

[stray holly]

In my experience, it’s been fucked from the deinos side of the coin more than the person getting grabbed. The amount of times I lunged something and just fazed through it, or just stopped at their hit box and nothing registered was too many to count.

They do make ripples now.

[echo tiger]

Yeah ik they do, but do they ripple in deep water?

Cause it was bugged for a long ass time where deino movements in deep water would make water ripples happen and it was impossible to hide

[outer sphinx]

they shouldnt if they are 2m under the surface, the fact they do when moving slowly at the surface is already a lot when you know how crocs interact with water

[echo tiger]

Yeah

[outer sphinx]

tho, i too want some form of buck/ counterplay to lunge if you are like 3t+, but with that make deino have really good nv like crocs today

[stray holly]

The only things that would be able to do that would be growing stegos and growing deinos

Seeing as how everything else at their max weight weighs below 2 Metric Tons at this moment

[outer sphinx]

i mean with the full roster it gives it far more options, but in general deinos bite is very very lackluster

500dmg and no fractures, like cmon...

[warm flame]

real deino had a biteforce stronger than a rexes if I remember correctly

[outer sphinx]

weaker but close enough

[stray holly]

Yeah. 20,000 PSI on a Rex compared to 100,000 on a Deino.

[outer sphinx]

it was the only thing that could be compared to rex, maybe purrrusaurus i think

[stray holly]

Kinda bonkers

[outer sphinx]

i think that is just speculation but havent looked much into it

[warm flame]

it was a while ago more studies were done on deino's biteforce

[stray holly]

Yeah it’s all speculation since we don’t have the creatures here to measure

[warm flame]

but we can at least get a good idea for deino since we still have alligators and other crocodilians

[outer sphinx]

but imo for deino, i'd give it fractures, for the sake of balancing 500 dmg is enough, and allow creatures between 3-4t to get out of the grab and ones 4-5t like a tug o war

[warm flame]

it used to do fractures when it was added to the QA branch

[outer sphinx]

basically everything besides behaviour can be found rn

[warm flame]

I guess it was removed because it was too OP, but since then fractures have been toned down

[stray holly]

I’m sorry, it’s 102,000 newtons for the Deino, 35,000 newtons for the Rex. Based on current information.

[stray holly]

I’d love to be able to grab a stego by the head and drag it into the river.

[warm flame]

deino and stego I'm guessing will both be given size buffs and stat buffs as the roster expands

since both are fairly underscaled as of right now

[stray holly]

I figured stegos and deinos would be a tier below the rexes/spinos and shants/trikes respectively.

[outer sphinx]

deino def no size buffs, maybe its bite smth, and stego a slight size buff as it has the lowest health of any apex but the highest damage, apex glass cannon

[warm flame]

deino's actually fairly small compared to a real deino, unless it was made bigger as I haven't dared get close enough to an adult one to compare

[outer sphinx]

deino is i think the 3rd biggest carni in the game, after rex and spino

[stray holly]

In real life it could go toe to toe with a Rex

But I don’t think they want it to be that way.

[outer sphinx]

i mean irl spino would be fucking garbage here

[warm flame]

I'm glad that they went with the JP3 like spino honestly

[stray holly]

Right.

[warm flame]

is it accurate? no, is it cool? certainly

[stray holly]

I wouldn’t mind if Spino could switch between quad and bipedal like Shan’t can.

[outer sphinx]

does it work as apex? yes

[warm flame]

I think spino's forelimbs are too short for that

[outer sphinx]

this is the only answear needed to be answeared

[stray holly]

If they buffed up it’s arms it would work.

[warm flame]

I think spino's fine as it is, doesn't need changes

I think that the proportions change a bunch as it grows but I haven't seen the growth morph for it in a while

[stray holly]

I’m assuming they’re gonna go the route of Jurassic Park for their lore. Everything isn’t accurately depicted as they were when they were alive because they weren’t created to look that way.

[outer sphinx]

nah i just meant that spino just needed to be fit beeing an apex which out current design def does that, unlike the bilboard that was legacy... oh i mean Spino, sorry

[warm flame]

I wish that they made the rex a but chunkier, and the giga too, I liked legacy giga's model more

[stray holly]

As much as I want them to add more Dino’s to give more options, I also want them to dedicate more time to make the game run smoother.

Some of my friends can no longer play due to their hardware not being able to handle the game after this update. When they could run 60fps just fine before.

[warm flame]

they need to focus on fixing the issues they have now before moving onto the next update

[stray holly]

I don’t know how long that’s gonna take. Someone made this chart of the time between updates.

Almost seven months between update 3.5 and 4. Shits rough.

[lavish quail]

hey maybe well get nesting faster..

[outer sphinx]

well granted, they did have to make 400+ new anim in total, and also change the servers to linux, compared to 3 which was 2 new dinos and fish

[stray holly]

I would hope that them spending that much time on all that stuff, the game would be running smooth in all areas

But that obviously isn’t the case

[outer sphinx]

ye, they said they are looking for a back end dev bc rn amarok is all they've got, with Filipe too i think

so the full stack and the AI guy, rough times

[lost marsh]

@wheat anchor as adult deino. but baby deinos should NOT eat 3 fishes to sustain 100%

they are smaller than the entire fish

[wheat anchor]

I think your insane if you think fishing needs buffing. XD

[lost marsh]

my real problem its on the AI

[wheat anchor]

The ai is horrible

I woudnt mind if they feed you more but actually ran away from you

decrease the spawns to

But as the game is now fishing is way to good

It invalidates actual hunting

[lost marsh]

if the fish spawn then yes, its kinda good

[wheat anchor]

Not even kinda

[lost marsh]

its my opinion, buddy;

[wheat anchor]

I can litterally sit in a small body of water

and feed myself untill 50%

[lost marsh]

good for you, but that was my feedback ^^

[wheat anchor]

then i just waddle my bum to the river and eat 100 fish till i puke

[lost marsh]

deinos dont even puke...

[wheat anchor]

Figure of speach

thats not even considdering you get to about 80% growth from staying at 100% diet when your 50% growth

[lost marsh]

i know the details.

[wheat anchor]

deinos are so broken in absolutly every way when it comes to growth that im baffled you would say something like fishing needing to get buffed XD

[lost marsh]

ok.

[tepid gate]

This is wrong btw(both for Rex and Deino, the two likely had comparable biteforces, unless Rex actually had a higher biteforce, but there's an argument to be made about T.rex's bite being actually "more damaging" due to how its teeth work).

As for that picture, in general feedback, showing Deino chomping on "T.rex" - Deinosuchus did not coexist with Tyrannosaurus rex. It coexisted only with much smaller Tyrannosaurids. I believe that specific picture was supposedly showing an Alberto getting attacked by Deinosuchus.

[tepid gate]

4th, Giga is also larger

[fierce lintel]

i think lumin8 is playing a different game lol

[paper oriole]

he's right that it isnt hard to grow a deino on elite fish but once youre adult those fish do nothing more than delay your slow and miserable death by starvation. fishing isn't OP, the only thing that benefits from it for its whole life cycle is pteranodon who is just a rat with wings and not an actual active predator

[paper oriole]

fucking demon

sksksksksk

[manic flint]

Ew
It looks like a monster from a children's story book

[paper oriole]

he's coming to get yer toes

[rugged quarry]

There are nicer pictures of my boy

See

[paper oriole]

he looks high af there

been eating the wrong leaves

[rugged quarry]

(That’s where the smell comes from)

[paper oriole]

hfhfhfhfhf

[rugged quarry]

:/

Jar jar binks

[paper oriole]

he's lookin like

[manic flint]

It's small
Who would play it we already have hypsi

[paper oriole]

true hypsi could be expanded to grab annoying squirrel niche

his size isnt too much of an issue imo since we have things like hypsi and taco and oro but idk just how far theyre going with hypsi

[manic flint]

We already have 56 playables with servers with 100 players max
We don't need another

Hypsi is close enough

[rugged quarry]

How many arboreal creatures are there? I can think of three.

[paper oriole]

i hope hypsi can haull ass around the tree tops cus it would actually make it interesring to play past just being a pure throwaway troll aimal

there are some animals we could make semi-arboreal, like velo and juveile megalania

[manic flint]

Hypsi, herrara, Utah, and prob a few juvie animals

[paper oriole]

utah doesnt look arboreal as much as it looks like they want to give it momentum climbing

tbh velo deserves it way more anyway

utah is too big to be a tree dweller outside of scrambling up a stump which is already sort of excessive given its current agility, speed and endurance

[rugged quarry]

I guess so, I had a hard time trying to make the entry seem different from hypsi but it’s still just a vision impairing arboreal herb.

Taco should go all out into All Tomorrows speculation territory and be arboreal.

[paper oriole]

I hope taco gets nocturnal vision and advanced burrowing

He was a burrower in legacy and looks better doing it than dryo

[rugged quarry]

I got real fuckin excited when stegouros was discovered and hoped it would maybe get added to the game then I learned it is literally only as big as a pig.