general-feedback-discussion

[paper oriole]

brawler predator to pair with tenonto

[worn pumice]

stego and carno are all mistakes

deino too

[paper oriole]

like i know magy is his pair but he would have been a good match for tenonto as well

stego, carno and deino were bizzare af decisions

i think they were just too excited for deino and pushed it out

[worn pumice]

i can sort of see how deino came out cuz of hype and "I want big gator!!!!!"

stego and carno r just flat out mistakes like honestly

[paper oriole]

they were excited about their new unique addition so they just pushed it to live, which i cant really be upset at them for but it was still a bad idea. deino doesnt do nearly as much damage as carno though and stego is just bad for balance because it is either too bad or too good, they cant balance it for this roster

[fallow spoke]

@astral robin what kind of graphics? Also you can upgrade them in the main menu (eg medium low epic etc)

[paper oriole]

beipi, cerato and kentro woulda been nice

[worn pumice]

oh well it is what it is i guess

atleast now i believe the balance isnt too bad honestly

[astral robin]

@fallow spoke when I try they reset to before no matter what youtube vid I watch also when I join a server it take max 30 mins to render in also compared to the vids I see on youtube my graphics look not even remotely like the vid eventhough I have a decent graphics card

[fallow spoke]

you cant be in game when changing graphics

you have to be in the menu

[astral robin]

@fallow spoke ye I know

@fallow spoke I do it on the main menu but it always goes back to what is was before. I would love to play It mor but it is practically unplayable for me i dk about others

[paper oriole]

the graphics in this game are quite adequate until you're a ptera looking down at beyblading bushes

[fallow spoke]

[paper oriole]

the foliage render distances in this game are fucked

[astral robin]

I agree

[paper oriole]

sometimes i look down and think i see a small dino but its just a flat bush thats spinning around

[astral robin]

I'll play it when more updates come out and see if it improves

[fallow spoke]

i would ping punch for help, but he and the rest of the devs are on a well earned break

[astral robin]

Ok Is there anyway to input suggestions on what areas to improve?

[paper oriole]

probably general feedback but i dont think the devs really look in there

[plain valve]

anyone knows why my qa branch isnt showing up?

what was the code

[astral robin]

It's a code

[paper oriole]

did you type in the code?

[worn pumice]

GENERATIONTWO

[plain valve]

legend

[worn pumice]

what

oh on that server

[manic thicket]

they should really fix the ai spawning for ONCE 2 of the diets is not even an ai and i looked all over the map but nothing, when are they ever gonna fix the stupid ai spawn

[limber hull]

@barren zephyr next update will have both skins and nesting, then immediately after, night vision

[barren zephyr]

Good to hear

Humans being in testing before even the troodon being available in testing is really angering to me

[limber hull]

Ehhh

I mean, Troodon would be a whole lot more complex, let's be honest

It's one of the most mechanically diverse animals to be added to EVRIMA so far

Night vision + voice mimicry + venom + maybe even more we don't know about

[barren zephyr]

And instead of working on humans despite promising they’d be in this year, time would be far better spent working on the complexity of troodon

[limber hull]

i disagree

most of the mechanics necessary for even adding troodon aren't in yet

venom and night vision have their own dedicated updates to come

[barren zephyr]

And time should have been spent working on those aswell instead of the clear semi decent amount of time spent on humans, as they aren’t quite just bare assets in the game

[icy lion]

Troodon isn't until update 6.5

[limber hull]

also, it's not exactly fair to say "x dino should have been worked on before humans" because then you can say that with ANY WIP dino

and then humans just are never acceptable to be released lmao

[barren zephyr]

I’m conclusion I simply thing that humans are a bad idea in the isle and the dinosaurs and systems should have had priority

[icy lion]

They've gotta work in nesting, skins, night vision, and venom first, the latter two being requirements for troodon's existence

[limber hull]

humans are a great idea imho and have improved my experience with the Isle in the short time they've been in

they've been fun to play and fun to play against imho

[barren zephyr]

Welp I’m not going to disagree with ones own opinions as I can’t change those

[limber hull]

i think holding off humans for over 2 major updates is silly

since troodon isn't planned till update 6.5

[tepid river]

I do think systems should come before humans, but really with a small roster like we have right now, it kind of is an ideal time to at least to the very early testing for them. The more creatures in game the more they'd have to be balanced for and I think against a (mostly) group of smallerish animals is a good time to test humans out unarmed

[paper oriole]

Humans are already functional in qa so no real point in not adding them now at this point

Like they seem mostly ready for release. They have basic attacks, can eat and drink, have a flashlight.

[tepid river]

yeah, no point in holding them off for something thats going to take a lot longer

[mossy lotus]

how do i play as human?

[barren zephyr]

@topaz cedar Carnos can easily kill a utah, yesterday i manage to kill off an entire pack of utahs and they only taken 10% of my HP

[paper oriole]

Go to betas and type GENERATIONTWO in the code bar

[manic flint]

What was changed in the update? Any balance changes or just bug fixes

[calm granite]

buck bug fix i hope, and water, and eating, and wallowing

[paper oriole]

The water bug almost my utah, god forbid something else steal that kill from invisible cliff

[calm granite]

huh

[paper oriole]

The water bug almost stole generic cliff's kill

[calm granite]

oh ok

[limber hull]

@latent olive considering that actual Komodo venom is an anti-coagulant, the prey can also simply bleed like crazy for a very long time after being bitten, allowing for equally decent tracking

[latent olive]

yeah i have taken the venom into consideration

[limber hull]

Like I personally feel that bleed should be more effective and long lasting while under the effects of mega venom

[latent olive]

#general-feedback message

[limber hull]

So that a mega can simply follow the prey item till it has to come to a stop

Also it means if a utah catches sight of something bitten by a mega, RIP prey item

[calm granite]

lets hope they fixed the bugs with these patches

[open imp]

Once again someone mentions titanoboa and once again I'm just gonna say: That'd be Hell to model, rig, animate and code into the game... Snakes rarely ever look good in games, either their model is crappy, or their movements are just stiff and weird, not to mention how hard it would be to make the animations blend into eachother when switching between two... I'd rather the titanoboa isn't implemented at all, or it's much further into development when more dinos and core elements have been added.

[paper oriole]

imagine the nightmare of animating the titanboa eating/constricting without it looking comical

[urban flax]

It's planned though

I know as well it's gonna be a nightmare to rig, but if it ever gets added, better have a good niche for it instead of both looking bad and being useless

[open imp]

Still think it's a bad idea to add a gigantic snake that's supposed to look realistic, because I can just imagine it glitching out everywhere and crashing peoples games... Even if it is planned, I hope they don't make it until they're finished with the basics of the game 🤷‍♀️

[urban flax]

I think it's probably gonna be the last playable ever added
That's why I said in my feedback it's out of actuality

[paper oriole]

they should add palaeophis instead because a sea snake is probably less of a pain due to less colission and the lack of a constriction animation

palaeophis in a million years when we get marine animals

[urban flax]

in another game

[paper oriole]

also it can be venomous

[limber hull]

All they need to do is have the titanoboa have the exact same control scheme as Snake Pass

[urban flax]

YES

Well that doesn't mean it will be easy to do

[limber hull]

Snake Pass revolutionised the world of snake-based control schemes, far outdoing the last snake game, Snake

If titanoboa doesn’t have an entire steam guide on how to move in a straight line I am not playing it

[urban flax]

Just saying, Snake Pass' movement system would be very adapted for a climbing titanoboa

[limber hull]

I want there to be three unique control schemes in the Isle:

• Dinosaur
• Human
• Snake

[urban flax]

Considering how much effort it took to have ptera flight and deino swim, devs might not be too eager about making an entire new control system for one single playable.

[limber hull]

I want people who say “I main titanoboa” to be looked upon with fear and disgust at their raw power

[clever thorn]

there 100% should be some new Dinos before Humans get into the game in my Opinion.

[limber hull]

We literally just got pachy

[urban flax]

Humans are almost ready already
And they're necessary for the game

As opposed to new dinos
Technically we had a functional ecosystem in update 1, with only Utah and Teno
Plant, herbivore, carnivore. Every additional dino is just fluff added to this.

[lyric spoke]

when is the next server restart on public?

[paper oriole]

@manic steeple open the betas option in the steam pge and type GENERATIONTWO in the code bar

[manic steeple]

oooooh thanks thanks😀

[outer sphinx]

It's free real estate

[stray holly]

Well I did what you said. And it still wouldn’t crack coconuts for me consistently. So you’re wrong.

[tidal frigate]

@topaz cedar I was once a a sub Utah and I pounced a baby carno and it took a full minute to die

[limber hull]

My man went from “let us play compy” to “troodon is useless” to school shootings shockingly quick

Weirdest part is that compy is fully intended to be playable later down the line so I really don’t understand what he’s on about

[limpid dagger]

Rather compy stay as an AI. People taking up server slots to play a dino with pretty much no meat on them.

[urban flax]

I'd like compy to be playable, but not on officials

[limber hull]

I can and will play compy you will not stop me

[fallen cargo]

Compy works best as ai tbh, an AI scavenger that cleans up bodies

[urban flax]

Let people have their fun with tiny lizard-rat, but it's too useless to justify being playable on official servers

[limber hull]

I like playable compy, I’m just baffled by that post lmao

[fallen cargo]

If compy is fun then I don't see an issue with it being playable (also if it's fun to interact with)

[limpid dagger]

Yeah, that's reasonable 🙂

[limpid dagger]

Honestly I've only ever found dead ones, or a groups stuck together. I often wonder if they even have AI XD

[fallen cargo]

Haha, fair, I've seen em move around and actualy be scared off of my boar that I killed when I walked closer to em

Happened once but it still happened XD

[urban flax]

I've never seen a compy
But I've mostly played herbivore on the new update, so I don't stay near bodies for long

[fallen cargo]

Yeah compys spawn near bodies

[craggy terrace]

The game is so broken now after the smaller update, as in: the world doesnt load in, and if it does, only in a small area and nowhere else. I have been spawning in for an hour and only once have the game loaded in a small patch for me to play in (barely due to lag), and as soon as I leave that little box, Im back to square one.

[topaz cedar]

a minute. is 60 seconds bud

[sand tundra]

Was thinking the same thing. like why is 60secs bad to wait?

[limpid dagger]

I've known microwave meals to take longer than that

[hollow mauve]

Do you need to pounce from the side of what you're attacking for it to actually work? Every time I land a pounce it's off angle a bit as I'm chasing or being charged and I just sorta bounce off in a glitchy way. Obviously it's something I'm doing wrong as others land pounces no problem..

[sand tundra]

Pachy headbutt hit box is so janky. the thing got a head shot on me from hitting me from behind in the tail. but thank u other pachy for headbutting ur partner XD

[craggy terrace]

help?

[bright bay]

Can't I ALT attack if my leg is broken?

[lavish quail]

Depends what you are

But really that makes sense

[bright bay]

I was a carno, just coul'nt fight back after I got headbutted by a pachy

[left nacelle]

@cyan yew Already planned iirc

[polar siren]

is the rex gonna do leg break in evirma

[calm granite]

no you can’t alt bite, your leg is broke lol

[calm granite]

most likely

[polar siren]

bro thats gonna make the game bad

[calm granite]

well, they might change it up

[polar siren]

i hope they do thats why i left legacy

[calm granite]

@sturdy rampart thats good

[barren zephyr]

how do you do special attacks like the tento tail slam and claw attack on a xbox controller?

[limpid dagger]

Unplug the controller and learn to use a keyboard like a real PC gamer

I'm joking.

I didn't realise you could play controller. That's neat.

[valid elk]

Does anyone wanna talk about my idea/suggestion?

[valid elk]

@unkempt cave That is planned.

[unkempt cave]

Ahh nicee

[barren zephyr]

@jovial moss I do somewhat agree. However I think instead of making it shorter, it should simply slow down blood loss instead of completely stopping it like the mudpools do

[jovial moss]

Ooh yeah that'd work too

Just having the option to slow down bleed by risking going to rivers would make it a lot better

lets both versions of the mechanic have their uses intact

[barren zephyr]

Mhm

@fiery wraith I think that should rather go into bug reports

[fiery wraith]

oh you're right! I'll delete and put it there

[barren zephyr]

^^

[valid elk]

Sure wish someone tagged me instead of just doing an ❌

[barren zephyr]

What is the timer emote supposed to mean

[icy lion]

That means your idea is planned or already in the game

[proven geyser]

@tame valve what is the deino diet ? I have not got around to playing it yet.

@stark dust red bull gives u wings 😉 hooman starts flying

[stark dust]

[proven geyser]

that would be cool though, getting energy booster drinks etc

[stark dust]

it doesnt have a preferred diet and can eat whatever it wants

[proven geyser]

ah ok

[barren zephyr]

False

It has a diet. Which is bullshit

[worthy plover]

hey is there a downside to cannabalism in the game like a debuff of some sort because i regularly get killed and eaten by my fellow deinos who are to lazy to get themselves food

[tepid river]

deino doesnt have a downside to cannibalism, and deino is actually on its own diet so you're meant to eat each other. for other creatures though, they get muscle spasms and randomly bite

[manic flint]

Depends on the species
Since Deino is a Croc it is a cannibal so it is encouraged to eat it's own

[valid elk]

Could just tag me with the thoughts

[manic flint]

Ambush speed was a shit mechanic that catered to carnivores

They should be able to ambush with their base speed

[limber hull]

Ambush speed made carnivore fights look utterly ridiculous in Legacy and the same would happen if added to Evrima

Not to mention, unlike legacy, not every single carnivore is a therapod anymore

[manic flint]

And
It catered to carnivores making their gameplay easier
A free speed boost for no reason

Herbivores didn't get any counterplay
A bad mechanic all around

'ambush speed' can be replicated by making a carnivore that's fast but has shit stam
Like legacy rex

[left nacelle]

@barren zephyr It makes sense to me. Even when a creature isn't actively sniffing, it's still going to be breathing. And when your sense of smell is that strong, you're going to notice the scent of another animal when you're going near footprints without actively sniffing

Plus if footprints only appear when you're actively sniffing like they used to, you'd need to be sniffing almost constantly if you want to find any

[barren zephyr]

It'll still have the [Q] ability but first i feel like when running as a carnivore you shouldn't be able to see footprints yet. After you sniff and find a footprint you can still press [Q] to track it like the one we have

[left nacelle]

I get what you're saying, but I think the current thing we have now makes more sense. The system you're suggesting works well if you saw a creature run away and want to follow it, but if you want to find a fresh scent trail of a creature that passed through without you seeing it, you'd need to be sniffing constantly since you don't know when you'd come across one

And think about irl when you walk past a restaurant. You're just walking and suddenly you pick up on the scent of food, without actively trying to smell it beforehand. That's what's happening here. An animal got close to another animal's footprints and picked up on the smell naturally

[idle ibex]

i think pc overheating issues could be atleast improved if they make the game better optimized. i mean the game has gone from like 8 GB on evrimas launch to over 15 GB in update 4's release

[real kraken]

I've never experienced issues like it and I've played demanding games, they're just optimised where as the isle isnt

[idle ibex]

yeah, if they focus their devs to work on optimizing code, rendering and stuff i think the game could run pretty well

[real bison]

U4 seemed to fix some bugs but just encountering new ones now. >stuck on previous bodys death cam screen when you respawn in?? map taking 5 minutes to load in even though fps is good ? you logout and log back in to a completely different creature often?

the spawns are also just camping heaven for people who like to grow to adult and just sit there and kill people as they spawn in.

think atleast half of the times i spawned in i was killed by some adult pachy/carno player waiting to yeet everyone. type gameplay

[clever thorn]

Yeah Dinos are 100% im not so sure about the Humans but is just my Opinion at the Moment. Idk i would be fine with Humans when 15 or 20 Different Dinos were in the Game but at the current Speed its gonna take a few more Years to hit that number of Dinosaurs

[sand tundra]

Im so sick of chinese players. The fact that everyone can tell they are cheating and they dont even try to hide it needs to be taken care of. What is the point of wasting hours in this game just for Adult carnos and pachys to just lock onto any bush you was hiding in without the slightest clue that you was in there. They do this because you guys allow them to do it. Help your community out because they are goin to ruin this game for you.

[paper oriole]

i feel bad for the chinese/korean players who are just genuinely playing the game, i've met a few, all the toxic chinese hackers ruin it for everyone

[barren zephyr]

@analog pagoda #phase-two-archive is a channel where things like work-in-progress animations, sound effects and concept art for the game is shown

and also legacy isnt being worked on

[analog pagoda]

alright thanks

[barren zephyr]

@gentle ice if you guys actually hit your pounce to the Pachy as a Utah you could've bled them easily should've stayed your distance as a utah when you've pounced and bit them couple times. Plus utah can take 3 fully grown pachy ram and still outrun a pachy with a broken leg. So safe to say Utah is good on killing a Pachy. Carno however is the one that needs to be toned down

[worn pumice]

with a broken leg no the pachy will catch up

its def possible to maybe dodge hits maybe but the pachy will get u if u got a broken leg

[barren zephyr]

Nope utah still outruns a pachy with a first broken leg

[barren zephyr]

Or at least it was for me

still outrunned the pachy with broken leg

[manic flint]

That was a body fracture
You can't run with a leg fracture
Only trot

[worn pumice]

that must have been body fracture

u cannot outrun with a broken leg

all the points above tho about pounce I agree

one pounce can get a pachy to 60-50% blood

if it doesnt move and/or walks

[gentle ice]

Still think pachy should be a lil toned down and nade bleed less of a minoraty

Its only my opinion

Im still having a hard time seeing diffrances in utah strenght and bleed as i used to play qa alot

[paper oriole]

Bleed already got buffed cus you cant use trees to knock rat raptors off and wallowing is a bitch to do and basically luck based on being near a mud pit when raptors roll up

[outer sphinx]

there is no dif in terms of bleed, pounce just works now basically

[worn pumice]

well technically it got buffed indirectly

but i think the main problem is that even if I win the fight I could still bleed out

mud pools are way too far apart and running will make u bleed out way too quickly

the options are too limited

[outer sphinx]

or you can, you know, just sit...

[worn pumice]

no u can still bleed out

[outer sphinx]

mud doesnt stop bleed either

[worn pumice]

yes but sitting and wallowing works

[outer sphinx]

it does what sitting does just a bit better

[worn pumice]

you can sit and wallow which makes the bleed almost completely stop

unless they removed that too

[calm granite]

explain

[worn pumice]

the isle'

[gentle ice]

Pachys are a menace rn

So pretty much utah pounce is good?

[calm granite]

very very

[pale bloom]

Utah pounce its fine yeah , you wont randomly die due to not properly work

[gentle ice]

Ok ty

[snow swallow]

deserved

[calm granite]

how so

i literally get bullied on pachy

[lavish quail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/900039430885228554/923316685035954206/FDB5FB7B-6707-4A30-A898-C9090752658A.jpg?width=379&height=506

see when i smash that box

thats when ill play humans for the first time

I WISH FOR HORROR

[snow swallow]

more deserved

I have a burning hatred for those chrome domed demons

[calm granite]

n i have it for carno and utah

[crude girder]

@wise mirage Compy, like all other animals, will eventually get a playable form, but I doubt it'll be for a while

but unless plans change, every animal is planned to be playable, at least on community servers

[wise mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/jotaro-kujo-jojo-bizarre-adventure-gif-14295795

[celest furnace]

Is it rare for devs to check our suggestions out?

[paper oriole]

feels like it

[barren zephyr]

well, I would presume that all will be playables (on unofficials)
seeing as they want to give proper server customisation to all unofficials.
Eg. having the ability to turn off and on humans

@left nacelle like minecraft, for example?

[left nacelle]

Yeah, exactly like Minecraft actually lol. Except it would just be shown on your death screen and not in the chat

[barren zephyr]

sick

[left nacelle]

I think it could also help new players if they're confused on what killed them. And I'm sure even a lot of experienced players die without knowing what happened sometimes lol

[barren zephyr]

true that.

I actually don't mind that

[calm granite]

yes

[barren zephyr]

maybe

they usually don't like commenting on it because then you'll just get this chain reaction of people saying "CHECK MY WORK DEV"
Alongside a negative reaction to people who the devs didn't "react" to their stuff

[latent merlin]

I have played this game for a while and I do enjoy the content, but I can’t speak for everyone else

[latent merlin]

Wise

[gentle ice]

Still feel like utahs bite force should be around 100 n

[limber hull]

absolutely not lmao

[gentle ice]

Atleast 55n with normal diet

[outer sphinx]

thats what it does rn...

[gentle ice]

55 with perfect diet

Rn

[limber hull]

nutrients dont increase damage

[gentle ice]

They dont?

[outer sphinx]

only bad diet affects damage

[gentle ice]

They did in qa atleasy

[limber hull]

they only reduce if bad diet

[gentle ice]

K nvm then

Yeah 100n seems too good as allo doe 75n

[low cape]

how do i get into the QA?

[barren zephyr]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/858020103597064192/921685066260807680/QA_branch.gif

[low cape]

thank you ♥

[barren zephyr]

all good

[proven geyser]

@steel flower regarding ur feedback. I agree, would be also cool if they added more ponds or lakes around that area. I was a pachy and I know theres a part of plains in that area and I went over and there was no food at all.

[steel flower]

Yup same. I wanted to see if I can live there reliably as a Pachy since there are tons of fields there. Nope, no agave, no melons, no coconuts

[proven geyser]

yup

I made a suggestion in feedback up above if u want to read it. I pretty much went around to loads of places where there should be food but there wasnt.

[lavish quail]

"Devs favour herbivore" has been quoted

[outer sphinx]

i had to look to make sure if it was Frosty or not

[lavish quail]

Lul

[odd token]

last time I played I didn't find any boar or goat as adult utah, am I just unlucky or did they reduce the spawn rate

[paper oriole]

somebody probably ate them all

[vagrant trench]

#general-feedback message
Another thing is that crocs irl only keep their backs above the water only as an intimidation tool, against other crocs, etc. Because it costs energy to keep your body like that.
So I like the suggestion to only have the head showing.

[celest furnace]

That makes sense.

[paper oriole]

Doctor crow must be drunk off his ass if he thinks devs favour herbis

[celest furnace]

So I didn’t know how well my idea of an inhabitant only update would appeal to you all, but clearly it seems to be a decent idea. I’m not very educated on the dinos that aren’t released yet and I was wondering what dinos should be added should we have an inhabitant-only update?

[celest furnace]

Lmao ikr

[paper oriole]

Less mechanic heavy dinos coupd be added probably

[celest furnace]

For now it seems like it is just because carnis diets aren’t doing great but I hate to break it to you but as a herbi player I can 100% say we aren’t the favorites

[celest furnace]

Agreed

Are there any dinos that aren’t on the roadmap that you think should be?

[paper oriole]

Idk some animals like maia, diablo, velo, and austro dont seem like theyd be very mechanic heavy so they shouldnt take a lot of effort to add assuming they dont have anything particularly special planned for them

[fallen cargo]

Austro was shown to carry juvi austros on its back, as well as an aquatic pounce for fish, so it might be more mechanic heavy than we think

(in it's concept art ofc)

[lavish quail]

I want our boy faster

he just seems like hes super casual to play

Just vibe in the water

Nothing we have right now feels just fun to be alone with

[fallen cargo]

Yeah I can agree there, it'd be cool if austro was a vibe dino lol

[paper oriole]

does this guy hate galli or what

jesus christ that idea sounds miserable

whose comment just got deleted lol

[jagged heath]

@lusty seal The whole point of the diet system was to get players moving around the map, ALL diet foods are spread around the map to make people move around (Sadly that hasn't worked yet ;-;)

[lusty seal]

Well I’m saying these food sources will be on very opposite sides, with the foods they need on both sides. Meaning that they’re going through the same path each time. It could make a more linear and focused gameplay experience

Only two places, well maybe some more but basically only two places.

[paper oriole]

Sounds repetitive and boring. Not appealing whatsoever

Running in a triangle simulator, horrid

Sounds like you just want to nake them easy to find for carnis without considering how boring it would be to play as galli doing that

[barren zephyr]

thanks

[gritty helm]

Maybe a hot take but food for herbies should be scattered around pretty generously in locations that make sense for said food items. At least then you'd encourage exploration while also keeping some level of predictability for the carni's

[paper oriole]

Herbivore food that says it is in the plains should be all over the plains, food that says it is in the jungle should be all over the jungle, and coasts should be all along the coasts. Currently herbivore food is crammed in center and largely scarce in other areas

So yeah, it should be distributed more

Ive only heard of mushrooms being in one spot for example and there wasnt shit there when i checked

[jagged heath]

Well, thats just boring, cause galli players would only be playing in 2 spots in the map, meaning nobody would wanna be playing galli

[paper oriole]

Yeah you cant get more “walking simulator” than Gooz's suggestion

He nust hate gallis and never want to see people playing them lol

[lusty seal]

.. you guys are right XD

[cinder tartan]

I agree, I see a lot of Herbs just sitting in one place in huge groups for a ridiculous amount of time. Herbs should be further incentivized to stay on the move

[calm granite]

why is croc resting sound so damn loud my god

the whole neighborhood heard me rest

[noble saffron]

Anyone have the issue where none of your dinosaurs have eyes?? I just have empty sockets :/ Any fixes?

[worn pumice]

usually gets fixed on higher graphics

not always but usually

[noble saffron]

I've tried messing with all graphics but no avail :/

[worn pumice]

welp

[calm granite]

bro some people are so so so bored

they go stego

and literally stand in one area for about 10hrs

[proven geyser]

everything outside of this area is pretty much empty.

[limber hull]

@jagged heath Why the hell would rex be eating pachy and galli lmao

also why did you give cerato a diet

when its whole gimmick is "eats literally everything"

also ironic that magy, its core matchup, is nowhere on said diet, but apparently specifically young allosaurs are for some reason.

[jagged heath]

Dude, why are you being such an ass? I just had a unique idea and plus, not everything is perfect, at the time I compleatly forgot about magy (Because magy fucking sucks imo), and plus I just thought it'd be a cool idea for something to prey on something that lived in it's time and area

[limber hull]

I'm genuinely asking why you chose these diet options

Your rex diet is decent otherwise, matchups make sense

I just don't see why pachy and galli are there

They're well below rex's size range and offer little nutrition, both can easily outrun rex and don't pose a real combat challenge to it

Cerato I also find weird, because it's really not a hunter, it's a big bully that steals food and generally takes what it can get

[barren zephyr]

Shopping list creatures lol

I'm genuinely curious on who thinks the current iteration of diets are good and why

[limber hull]

That's also true, it's very likely the shopping list animal system will be dead by the time we see rex and cera because of the gore thing

[barren zephyr]

Right

Like what do they really achieve in oversight?

Player movement? or increase like hood of player encounters?
Water already did that

They clearly do no resolve the growth problem

Nor a gameplay loop

So what do they really do

[limber hull]

in the current game, i think water does the opposite lmao

everyone only goes to very specific areas with very specific kinds of water

[proven geyser]

yea everyone right now goes to the middle centre pond or the river next to it.

[barren zephyr]

That's because the devs had the bright idea of introducing safe water ways with the inclusion of deino

The ponds and rivers are so shallow in shallows that you have to go there to reduce risk from Deino

Otherwise you're being dumb

Which is an obvious no brainer

[proven geyser]

should make more lakes and ponds

[barren zephyr]

Why would you ever drink from a river?

When shallows are just a hike away

[proven geyser]

ikr

[barren zephyr]

It's just silly

[proven geyser]

plus, when playing herbivore u run to food eat ur food and then ur thirst again.

can hardly explore the corners of the maps without dying of thirst

[barren zephyr]

Rain needs to come back to soothe the issue

[proven geyser]

or

more lakes and ponds

[barren zephyr]

Removing shallows, replace them with streams connected to ponds and rivers

[limber hull]

Shallows also, for some reason, being exclusively near centre/south really doesn't help

[proven geyser]

yes

the centre pond now is the new twins from V3

[limber hull]

if shallows were like, actually somewhat apart, I'd forgive them

[plush rampart]

Twins but not as big nor as enticing

[proven geyser]

yes

[barren zephyr]

Getting back on point, still wondering what all the hype about diets really achieved

Because I'm coming on a blank here

[limber hull]

gives me something to do personally

[proven geyser]

ive already made a post about this but, centre pond needs removing or more things like it around the map. And food actually needs to spawn in different areas....it does not atm

[barren zephyr]

Not a high bar to set

[plush rampart]

I feel like diets will probably change in the future but for now it’s not really my favorite mechanic

[barren zephyr]

There's nothing to do in the game other than death match or roleplay

[proven geyser]

no, especially when ur diet spawns in the one main area.

[barren zephyr]

Or just chat

[worn pumice]

i honestly expected a much more different diet system then what we have

[limber hull]

centre pond would've been nice if it wasn't a centre pond

[proven geyser]

and wasnt the only easy water source next to most of the dinos diets.

pachy pretty much thrives from it and stego and tenonto

[plush rampart]

I think the herbivore items need to be more spread out so that not literally every dinosaur is forced to be in the center area

[proven geyser]

mhm

[plush rampart]

Coconuts were almost cool until of course they spawn in open fields for some reason

[limber hull]

i would've put the pond in the very dead as fuck empty north east area

[barren zephyr]

I still hate being soft locked into biomes rather than encouraged to be in them

[limber hull]

you know where the beach keeps going after the log?

and there's absolutely nothing out there

[plush rampart]

Yeah

[proven geyser]

I was a pachy are travelled around the map. Most of it is empty for food even in other plain areas. Coastal is ok...only have coconuts and agave but the only fresh water sorce is the one on the beach or that little pond.

[limber hull]

put it there

[proven geyser]

there is one already there

[plush rampart]

The beaches suck right now bc they’re just not survivable

[barren zephyr]

The whole design language behind the diet system has negative conations rather than positive ones

[worn pumice]

probably one of the coolest areas yet totally unused sadly

[proven geyser]

theres 2 fresh water sources near the coast.

why not a giant lank in the centre? why a small one.

[barren zephyr]

We're getting debuff additions rather than incentivizing ones

[plush rampart]

Legit question could you give me cords to that? I’ve been looking for ages and I’m terrible at using a map

[proven geyser]

hang on i'll get a pic for u

[sly ibex]

Not only that, why is the new pond so close to south anyways? should atleast be more in the middle of center plains imo

[proven geyser]

these are rough areas of fresh water. But they pretty much dont help any herbivore out as most herbs diets have nothing to do with the coast and even then one of these fresh water sources is in a plains biome no food spawns at it.

[limber hull]

that giant hole isn't fresh water iirc

also I'm talking about near the log, really really far off

[proven geyser]

is it not? never mind then.

[proven geyser]

yeye ik what u mean now.

[worn pumice]

tfw coconuts dont even spawn at the beach

[proven geyser]

they do...kinda

[limber hull]

i actually managed to find coconuts near the beach

[worn pumice]

that is a miracle

i wanna see sum there

[plush rampart]

Coconuts should strictly spawn on the beach

[proven geyser]

but thats ur only source of food and stegos and tenontos dont eat coconuts

ok but this is the thing.
you spawn a pachy - you want coconuts - u run alllll the way to the beach and u eat coconuts - oh no the closest fresh water source is very far away

[sly ibex]

When Pachy was meant to be a forest/coastal dweller but is pretty much locked in center plains

[plush rampart]

Exactly that’s why it sucks

[worn pumice]

im confused on where pachy should be

[plush rampart]

They should make the beaches more survivable and make coconuts strictly spawn there

[barren zephyr]

I'm already sick of talking about the map

[proven geyser]

black dots could literally be lakes / ponds or smaller rivers connecting them etc

[barren zephyr]

Just scrap almost all the areas since it's so poorly designed
Rework the rest

[proven geyser]

or make it so food spawns near rivers lol....pretty much 85% of the map is not used anymore.

[plush rampart]

I guess I just expected more. I always imagined the diet system creating “territories” of certain animals but instead it’s basically the same and all the dinosaurs still crowd in the plains

[barren zephyr]

It's pretty shitty anyways

[proven geyser]

I imagined that too.

[barren zephyr]

Dense ass forests with no food or water

[proven geyser]

i mean...dont even get me started on AI food....that shit spawns in after a server restart then 15 minutes later they never spawn back in again.

[barren zephyr]

Clearings rare, lack of elevation, cliffsides, and valleys

Devs have always been bad at map design

[proven geyser]

they should just bring back an old small map with the new textures etc and foods.

i would say thenyaw...but i dunno how i feel about that map.

[barren zephyr]

Nah

[worn pumice]

oasis should def connect with the rivers

[barren zephyr]

All of their maps are bad

[proven geyser]

a smaller map is needed though...with more lakes and ponds and actual areas that food spawn in

[barren zephyr]

Can't think of a single good one they've ever done

Which is why I'm in favour of a scrap and overhaul

Get an actual map designer to work on the foundations

[limber hull]

i believe the plan is currently for Jace to remake the whole damn thing

[barren zephyr]

Jace trying to make it work might probably be even more work trying to fix this map

[plush rampart]

Ngl I miss the North American forest look that legacy had. The V3 map has its flaws but I liked the look

[barren zephyr]

Rather than just remaking an entire new map from the ground up

[proven geyser]

I miss the redwoods.

[plush rampart]

That too

[barren zephyr]

It's so shit

Some genius thought it was funny to make those cliffs and get people to lose hour long dinos lol

Talk about contempt in design

[plush rampart]

I just miss the unique feeling that you’d get overlooking the highest cliff with grey skies and plenty of trees covering the land

[proven geyser]

there needs to be a map designed around the diets.
A plains biome for ur plains foods etc and thats where u will find ur dinos who eat plains stuff.
like build the map around ecosystems and not just whatever fits

[limber hull]

eh, i much prefer the tropical environment. I found the old look rather generic

i'd rather redwoods be a biome than the whole-ass map

[barren zephyr]

Loses long awaited dino that took hours of playtime
"Well, now you know better next time, learn the map lmao"

[plush rampart]

Lmao

[proven geyser]

like...why do most of the herbis foods sit in plains?

i would have thought teno would have most of its food in swamp

and stego more in forests

[limber hull]

stego in forests?

i was with you till that lmao

[plush rampart]

I wanted mountain Pachy lol

[proven geyser]

it was just an idea etc

i mean them in plains is ok

pachy is more forest

[limber hull]

i feel like any animal in mountains is weird

i disagree, I'm actually okay with pachy's placement atm. I feel with the planned roster, a forest home would be bad for it

[plush rampart]

Possibly

[proven geyser]

teno - swamp
stego - plains / forest
pachy - plains

[limber hull]

pachy's purpose is to cripple fast land predators and face off against things. When you have tiny animals poisoning you to animals attacking from the trees, you can't use the ability of self-defence nearly as much

[barren zephyr]

Honestly even after years, it feels like the devs are still amateurs at this
The implementations feels so janky

[plush rampart]

Bog teno is cool. Imagine if there was like aquatic plants they could eat that spawn in shallow swamp water

[limber hull]

a kentro would be more jungles focused imho, the animal is an excellent counter to many forest residents (like the herrera)

[proven geyser]

what even is the next dino coming?

[limber hull]

troodon

[proven geyser]

does it have a diet?

[limber hull]

uh

probably?

[proven geyser]

because...if it does...what could it even eat. Im assuming it will be going for more small dinos like dryo etc

but like no one plays them atm

[limber hull]

just because it's small doesn't mean it can't kill things larger than it

that's why venom exists

[proven geyser]

i know but its diet isnt going to be a stego is it...

the only thing i could see it killing in terms of size would be pachy / utah level

[barren zephyr]

I think diets just murdered it
It's whole purpose was a fast low cost playable
The inflated growth times just made those players turn to hypsi for a throwaway creature instead

[limber hull]

Eh, I think it'd be horrid against pachy and utah, it'd probably be better if it used its pack tactics to take down larger, slower targets

utah would likely hunt the thing imho

[proven geyser]

ok but one swipe from a stego and most of that pack is dead.

[barren zephyr]

Their tiny and agile

But their so small they could probably only kill things Teno sized

[limber hull]

same with a utah pack. They simply dodge the attack

[barren zephyr]

I don't think it's a really riveting addition other than the mimicry

I'd rather have Dilo

[proven geyser]

utah is stronger tho...

[plush rampart]

I wanted Dilo before Troodon but oh well

[limber hull]

i personally am a huge fan of troodon

[proven geyser]

the troodons are smaller, they will most likely die in one hit and most of the pack will be gone from it

[limber hull]

so?

i really don't see the point being made, just don't get hit, you have a tiny hitbox and quick movement

troodons would be actually difficult to hit

[proven geyser]

so what im trying to get at is with the current in game roster. The only things that will make sense for it to hunt are dryos and hypsi and then maybe the biggest things it could kill are teno and utah

stegos tail swipe will easily remove most of the troodons

[limber hull]

as it would utahs

[proven geyser]

and no one hardly plays dryo or hypsi

[limber hull]

i genuinely don't see the point being made about stego killing troodon

[proven geyser]

utah v stego tho is different to stego v troodon

so what im saying is troodon wont have stego as a diet

[limber hull]

it is, however, utahs don't have venom

[plush rampart]

I just imagine a horde of Troodon killing big stuff sheerly because of how many there are

[limber hull]

Troodon won't be exclusively forced to kill just small shit lmao

Also gore will be out when troodon will be out, so it's likely we won't have diets at all like atm

[proven geyser]

true

[limber hull]

They'll be completely different

So troodon could potentially end up eating stegos for nutrients, we just don't know

[proven geyser]

if it gets pounce then maybe

[limber hull]

why would it need pounce

[barren zephyr]

Troodon's will only kill Stego because of the incompetence of Stego's design
The turn rate increase alleviates it

[proven geyser]

but if not then it wont kill a stego. What will happen is...the stego will get poisoned for sure and will eventually die but most likely the stego will just 1 swipe tap them all to death.

so before the stego dies...most of the troodons will be dead

[plush rampart]

Troodon special ability is that it right clicks and instantly does a triple backflip into the direction of your choosing, avoiding all damage

[limber hull]

again, dude, you just dodge the swipe

[proven geyser]

because thats the only way i can think it can kill a stego without getting wiped out

[barren zephyr]

Troodon double jump

[limber hull]

literally, play utah

you die instantly to stego attacks

that's why you have to dodge the swipe

[proven geyser]

so u just backed my point up

[limber hull]

what

[proven geyser]

utah can only really kill a stego by pouncing

[limber hull]

i never even said that

utahs have also killed by headbites wtf is this argument

pouncing is good, yes, but it's not the only way

[plush rampart]

We’re also not thinking about the whole night vision thing…

Pretty sure Troodon attacking in the pitch black of the night will automatically make it less likely to be hit

[limber hull]

it'd be extremely hard to even see the troodons

[proven geyser]

you say dodge the swipe.
and that you die instantly to stego attacks.

my point is that troodon will need a pounce just like utah needs one when attacking stegos.

if troodon doesnt get a pounce it will just get 1 tapped by the stego or it will dodge the tail and not be able to attack before the stego swipes again

[limber hull]

no it literally would not

[proven geyser]

ive played utah v stego a lot on both sides

so troodon wont get 1 tapped?

[limber hull]

what the fuck is this

pounce is not the only way to fight stegos

you can bait out animations and bite between them

[proven geyser]

As a utah its the main way...

[barren zephyr]

It's viable but soooooooooooooo slow to use the bite

[proven geyser]

ur not killing a stego as a utah just by biting its legs.

[barren zephyr]

The bite does so low damage and low bleed

[limber hull]

but you can do it

[proven geyser]

without suffering casualties

[limber hull]

and you can survive

which means a troodon could also do it

and it could inject venom into the stego

[proven geyser]

very hardly

like hardly.

[barren zephyr]

Still, it's only viable by technicality, not a preferred strat

[proven geyser]

and most stegos travel in herds lol

[barren zephyr]

You can kill a Stego with a Carno
Doesn't make it a good idea

[proven geyser]

theres always 2-3 stegos

[limber hull]

also, it's pretty hard to tailswipe at shit you literally cannot see

troodons will be hidden in the darkness during their attack

[proven geyser]

yes at night sure.

[limber hull]

if a troodon is fighting you in the middle of the day then it deserves to lose, yes, but at night

[barren zephyr]

Pounce is still fucked as well
The dismount isn't safe, bugged for distance dismounts
And you can be hit in dismount, resulting in unfair deaths

Troodon is gonna be amped on venom if it's gonna really kill anything
Idk how the playerbase will feel about that

[proven geyser]

but i hardly think stego will be a nutrient for troodon. And thats not even my main point.
Currently dryo is a source of food for carno...it might as well just be removed.

no one plays dryo or hypsi.
If they were AI which im sure they will be in the future then great.
But they are not ai right now and no one plays em

[barren zephyr]

Tbh, it's another filler playable in my eyes
Utah is already doing the paper hp pack hunter thing

It's not really adding anything other than the occasional cool mimicry

[proven geyser]

I feel like troodon is gonna inject its venom most of the time and die before it can devour its winnings.

[worn pumice]

troodon doesnt need pounce

[limber hull]

i would play dryo and hypsi if they actually were either done or had their niches solidified

[worn pumice]

also why would it ever even bother trying a stego

[proven geyser]

thats what im saying sadlion.

[barren zephyr]

That's a long way from now

[proven geyser]

thats the point i was making lol

[worn pumice]

welp

[barren zephyr]

Burrowing and Tree climbing isn't even on the roadmap

[limber hull]

dryo could be interesting, but it isn't. Hypsi is actually kind of interesting but lacks completion and, frankly, without growth, has no real goal or purpose

[proven geyser]

ok, I agree with this and so would I. But why is that not something that is considered more important on the roadmap?

[barren zephyr]

Lol, it's a meme playable

[worn pumice]

hypsi needs a better way to aim its ability, it needs its climbing when that comes, and it needs growth

[limber hull]

Hypsi is getting all that (except idk about the aiming part)

[barren zephyr]

Both of those features should come Update 7-8

[worn pumice]

wait why does hypsi still not have growth

[proven geyser]

If dryo is going to be somethings nutrients and you want people to play it then it should have all the kit it needs.

[worn pumice]

is it like a technical issue

[limber hull]

hypsi has feathers and i think that makes it tougher

like it's completely different

[worn pumice]

i still think its funny that galli out weighs utah

[proven geyser]

lol

[worn pumice]

like no joke

[plush rampart]

Even funnier when the concept art literally depicts a raptor pinning a Galli

[barren zephyr]

So in conclusion

-Map is fucked beyond repair, Jace has his hands full(Yes we get it center sucks)
-Diets make you move a little more, pretty terrible
-Troodon's got mimicry and tiny size, cool ig...
-Shallows making Deino go through it fr

Though yeah, Update 4 just made me hate this game

Tried it 3 more times for good measure to give it a chance, I end up disliking it even more everytime I retry it

[calm granite]

why so much talk of galli? no shot we are getting another spectator?

we have pt for that

[icy lion]

Every animal from legacy is returning except for pue

[calm granite]

y

[limber hull]

galli isnt going to be a spectator like before apparently

more engaged with the world now

its fast, but not unkillable

[manic flint]

My bet is it will have poor acceleration and won't be able to kick while running
Or at least not kick as well

[limber hull]

it needs to eat eggs now so that's a thing

[manic flint]

Ye
So with bad acceleration the adults can actually catch it

And Galli can't just go in willy nilly

That's what I hope happens

[limber hull]

yea, i hope galli doesn't get hit to its endurance, speed or agility, since those are its core traits. Accel is a decent debuff, makes it vulnerable to specifically ambush

[manic flint]

Yea
And Kissin did say ambushes would be very affective against galli

So I hope that's what happens

[proper pumice]

how do you get new dinos or is it like different servers have different dinos?

[barren zephyr]

due to Brachi

[manic flint]

?

[outer sphinx]

i'd love to see how utah v galli will play out

[limber hull]

@topaz plaza i think sitting in the nest should increase the rate at which you nest

but not be required

we have varied animal types, for example, real life alligators leave their eggs buried and remain close by till they hatch

they don't sit on the nest

[topaz plaza]

Yes that's valid.

I'd say ideally it should work differently for each species

that way there's gameplay for both of us and it increases how unique each species' gameplay is

[limber hull]

i also feel that having players sit on nests would kind of be lame

make it more that they tend to the nest

actively finding food or other things to add to the nest

or protecting it

[topaz plaza]

yea that's also how legacy works

it can't be just sitting, yea

[limber hull]

legacy's nesting was so poor it literally had rules against attacking people on nests, which is ridiculous

[topaz plaza]

server rules in general are ridiculous. that's the devs job, not servers

[limber hull]

also, with the introduction of ovi and galli, having adults having to leave the nest means that it should be more like one parent goes out, one protects from stealers

[topaz plaza]

yea precisely. a nest should require protection from occasional attacks which means one needs to constantly stay on it

hence, the mechanic of sitting on it while you're guarding

[limber hull]

just staying by it would do

[hybrid wyvern]

Can we all agree that this update is horrible

[limber hull]

no

i really like this update lmao

[hybrid wyvern]

I cant even play it so

that automatically makes it the worst

[urban flax]

Maybe it's your computer that's horrible then, and not the update

[lavish quail]

i think you just got a bad pc

[hybrid wyvern]

Ok but I could run it fine before

for 444 hours

[lavish quail]

On evrima or legacy

[hybrid wyvern]

both

[lavish quail]

I judge you for having more than 100h on evrima

[hybrid wyvern]

y?

[paper oriole]

Isnt utah's eating only slow when eating non-diet food? I havent noticed much inconvenience otherwise

[hybrid wyvern]

I dont really like evirma map

so far

[lavish quail]

thats cause its ass

[hybrid wyvern]

ye

too many trees

[paper oriole]

Too many impassable slopes and cliffs*

[hybrid wyvern]

and the rivers are so boring

[paper oriole]

Very few long distance land marks, map has sameface syndrome with its biomes

“Which clearing is this? God fucking knows”

[hybrid wyvern]

Ye I wish they did something different they just spammed trees and rocks everywhere

[paper oriole]

Only long distance landmark i can really think of is radio tower

Which is barely visible if at all most of the time

In legacy you could be like “hey thats assplug rock way over there across the map, now i can pin my general location and plot a route to basically anywhere on the island”

The pillar rocks at the ocean crossing, the aviary, the various tall rock formations, the radio tower. There were a lot of land marks that helped people navigate in a natural and immersive way

[hybrid wyvern]

I hate rivers in this game in general I think they just split up the player base and make it easy for small dinos to grow

[paper oriole]

The rivers aren’t really an issue if paired with a map that isnt complete dookie

[hybrid wyvern]

idk they need to add some big ponds like twins and titan on v3

[paper oriole]

We do need more good water sources though. Lazy river and titan lake were good water sources in legacy to bring to evrima

Both sources would be viable to deino as well

Also the hot springs were a pretty cool spot that i wish would return

[hybrid wyvern]

I just miss the jungle and just chilling in there

and then going to port

to kill utahs

and how you know where you could find specific dinos like herbies in the trike mountain area and big rexes at twins

[lavish quail]

Port.

Its just there rn

not even done

[paper oriole]

Its a spooky zone rn

[limber hull]

i do like port

[maiden anvil]

Was there anything unclear with my suggestion?

[paper oriole]

My friend got stuck there as juv carno so i flew over as ptera to try helping him out, then i got stuck too and we tried to kill eachother and i won the facetank so i had to sit there for half an hour waiting to die while pulling apart his body to pass time. Still a cool spot though

The perks idea is cool though i think it could accidentally punish people who are doing no wrong

[limber hull]

I think this goes more on the line of perks that are outright buffs, which I dislike

[paper oriole]

Hanging around other species too long could be out of your control as either a slower animal or a hunter with long engagements in fights. An herbivore fighting off a pack in a long engagement and being around their corpses as they continue the assault could be punished for corpse guarding

[limber hull]

I want a perk system that actively changes how you play the animal

Rather than perk = better animal

Yes, an animal with perks will be better, but in their set environments they have chosen for themselves. They still have weaknesses

[paper oriole]

Mix packers could also dodge these punishments by keeping enough distance until a victim is picked out

[lavish quail]

Perk = better animal at a certain thing

[cinder tartan]

Do people have thoughts on the current state of herbivores food intake? I feel like I'm seeing absolutely colossal packs of pachys tentos and stegos around areas like oasis and swamp, which have the luxury to just sit around and harass crocs and guard corpses? I feel like these packs should be very temporary at most, perhaps forming sporadically when two packs meet and one is under threat? I feel they should need to stay on the move constantly if in a larger pack, or be unable to sustain themselves for long at all if the pack becomes too large

[hybrid wyvern]

I think a drought system will help that

[paper oriole]

Biggest pach i've seen is 5

Biggest issue also is all their stuff is crammed in hot spots and scarce elsewhere

[hybrid wyvern]

I just want to herbies to be forced to migrate through plains where they would be danger from carnivores

[paper oriole]

It should be sorinkles generously over the whole designated biome, not in certain regions

Herbis already are forced in to plains basically and still grreatly outnumbered on most servers

[hybrid wyvern]

herbis should get a buff to their stats

[paper oriole]

But carnis are more spread so their population isnt condenensed in a couple hot spots

[hybrid wyvern]

besides stego

[paper oriole]

So it seems like herbis are a menace when you go to mid but thats because diets basically force them to only utilize a fraction of the map

Pachy doesnt need a buff atm i dont think, its juvie stage is just trash

[lavish quail]

Pachys are so fun to play rn

Other than getting coconuts it just feels so much better than legacy

[paper oriole]

The biggest herbi issues atm are mind numbingly boring juvie stages and mind numbingly boring diets

[cinder tartan]

boring juvie stages are unfortunately an issue for almost every dino right now

i've seen pachy packs of 6-7 along with 3, count em, 3 stegos and 2 or 3 tentos just in oasis alone

and they stayed there for around an hour or so

[paper oriole]

idk i can have decent fun as utah juvie if i choose not to afk grow but the game encourages afk grow

[barren zephyr]

Afk growing is still optimal

[paper oriole]

utah and ptera juvie arent boring to me in contrast to their adult versions compared to things like pachy and tenonto

[barren zephyr]

Once you get those boxes filled even at low percentages, stay in a bush
Nothing worth risking

[cinder tartan]

stegos are defo problematic right now. i've heart arguements that a decent sized utah pack can take a stego, and thats true

[paper oriole]

utah is decently interesting to play form juvie to adult if i dont look at its gross model

[cinder tartan]

but throw 2 stegos in the mix, or even a couple pachys and a stego, and they cant be touched

[paper oriole]

most pachys i see just kos other herbi juvies anyway

[barren zephyr]

It's because of terrible roster decisions and hotspot diets

[cinder tartan]

yeah the roster right now would make sense if it weren't for the stego

[paper oriole]

stego, carno and deino were bad choices

kentro, cerato and something like beipi would have been better

[cinder tartan]

it still baffles me they added stego with no true apex to contest them

i agree, kentro would be by far the better choice

[paper oriole]

utah is supposed to counter stego in packs

[barren zephyr]

Ig they thought Utah's could hunt them

But not really still

[cinder tartan]

utahs can hunt one

but stegos literally never travel alone

[paper oriole]

form my experience it isnt too hard to get stegos to whack eachother but some are smarter than that

[cinder tartan]

you should not have to rely on the incompetence of your enemy to win

[paper oriole]

eh its been a common hunting tactic since legacy

[barren zephyr]

It should be a factor, but yeah, not something you should depend on

[cinder tartan]

if stegos play smart and utahs play smart, and there is more than one stego, or even just a stego and teno, herbis win

[paper oriole]

at some point there should be something else targeting stegos and shit like carnos shouldnt even look a tthem thinking theyll do it but it was a bad roster addition this early

[cinder tartan]

and now they want to add troodon? we don't need troodon right now. troodon is going to get absolutely dicked by everything, unless their venom is REALLY strong

[paper oriole]

idk why they thought 2 lard ass psuedo apexes and the fastest predator in the game filling land pred apex would be a good idea

[cinder tartan]

we need cera or allos ASAP

we need an actual heavy hitter carni

[barren zephyr]

Though it comes to roster issues again

There's only so much a heavy hitter carni can eat

[paper oriole]

allo is probably a bleeder not a heavy hitter

[barren zephyr]

There's not a lot on the plate for their menu to reliably feed them

[lavish quail]

Btw when gore comes out do you think youll get nutrients from every dinos say stomach?

[barren zephyr]

You should

If a Stego goes down, it should be a rotating feast for Carni's

[paper oriole]

would be cool if hunters would be encouraged to prioritize certain organs which scavengers dont need, stuff like that could push for more partitioning if something isnt on your diet but you still benefit from the organs

and make scavenging less profitable to hunters

[barren zephyr]

Depends how hyper carnivore you'd like certain playables to be

Maybe Carno can do alright with scavenging every now and then

Though things like Utah and Allo should be actively on the field and encouraged to bring things down fresh imo

[outer sphinx]

rn i have a feeling it will be like teno liver etc

[tall oasis]

cwismes time uwu

[solar pollen]

Is there any food in the ocean? I flew around for awhile but saw nothing.

Without food or fresh water, there is no reason to make use of the awesome new biome. I couldn't find any turtles either.

[paper oriole]

no food in the ocean, just turtles and crabs sometimes on the beach

there's also a puddle of fresh water on the beach but it isnt much

[maiden anvil]

That’s actually a way better idea. How do you think it would work?

[cinder tartan]

does anyone think it might be a good idea to just outright disable stego until bigger carnis arrive?

[maiden anvil]

No. Just nerf stego in a way that makes sense. Basically they can tank and do as much dmg but once it comes to headshots... well then it has a harder time

[cinder tartan]

i agree, their head damage must be massively increased

[maiden anvil]

^

[cinder tartan]

maybe a slower turn radius so they are forced to be more defence?

[maiden anvil]

How that help to make them more defensive?

[cinder tartan]

because they can just bumrush creatures and turn around quickly enough to get a tail swipe in

like deinos for example

[maiden anvil]

Unless you give stego a speed nerf. Then it can’t chase for shit

[outer sphinx]

then it will need to be buffed once the bigger dinos come to evrima

stego is supposed to be an apex afterall, same for deino

[cinder tartan]

the problem is the deino isn't an apex in the traditional sense

as it has zero chasing power. its pretty much reliant on ambushing, or creatures being stupid enough to fight it

and in a deino stego 1v1, stego will almost always win

[maiden anvil]

Stego is a pseudo apex

[lavish quail]

Apex apex actually

[outer sphinx]

ehh some say pseudo some apex, imo stego is an apex but the smallest of the bunch

[lavish quail]

Wouldn’t call it the weakest though, 2k damage headshots is brutal

[outer sphinx]

just like how not every mid and small is made equal, not ar apexes some beeing smaller/weaker thna the others

[outer sphinx]

i said smallest, not weakest

[maiden anvil]

I still believe stego isn’t an apex. The apex herbis I see are trike and shant. Then we have the sauropods which is at a whole another level

[lavish quail]

I also didn’t say it wasn’t the smallest xD

[lavish quail]

6h my friend

If apexes are much longer then there won’t be any

[maiden anvil]

Which I think needs to be reduced

Here me out on what I think stego should be: 3-4h of growth time. Being able to tank a lot with its body tho vulnerable when it comes to headshots. Keep how much dmg it does with its tail

[lavish quail]

They don’t plan on changing it

[outer sphinx]

also keep in mind stego has some of the highest health and damage in the full roster excluding sauropods, that already places it as apex

[lavish quail]

Sadly

[maiden anvil]

Accurate

Well Imma make a suggestion on stego then

[cinder tartan]

ya it simply should not be in the game with the current roster

its not feasible for it to be hunted at all right now

[lavish quail]

Utah

[cinder tartan]

we've discussed that

a large group of utahs can hunt a lone stego yes, but throw 2 stegos or god forbid even 3, or even just a stego with some tentos or pachys, and it becomes impossible

and i rarely ever see, if ever, a stego without an entourage following it around

[outer sphinx]

this argument is for the most part pointless usually, you can replace stego and utah with anybody and the idea holds the same well if it had more people in its group...

[cinder tartan]

Yes but the problem is that, we see large groups of carnivores are very difficult to form due to the food requirement and the tendency for them to die or cannibalize while large groups of herbis form much easier, need to eat less and have no need to eat each other

We need to see migration across the map encouraged for large groups of herbis so that they can’t just stay in one spot forever, and can’t afford to corpse guard

[outer sphinx]

i've made a post about how food should spawn to enforce migrations and exploration some time ago

[lavish quail]

Hehehe i saw a really bad version of this yesterday lemme find it

[maiden anvil]

Honestly, it’s nothing but a good thing that carnivores can’t form too large groups due to its nutrition requirements. That was one of the main points of the diet system in the first place

[cinder tartan]

I wholeheartedly agree. I just think the same should apply to herbis

[lavish quail]

Couldnt find it but it tortured the poor galli

went something like " galli should have to travel across the entire map and back for its nutrients so carnivores could ambush them whenever they want to"

[cinder tartan]

yeah this i’m not sure i agree with but more variation of nutrients in different biomes isn’t a bad thing. I think this should apply to all herbis to be honest

[maiden anvil]

While I believe it could be necessary to imply a similar thing to herbivores, keep in mind that the lack of herbivore players is quite big and therefore needs to have large herds when it can

[lavish quail]

We just need more actual carnivores tbh

i dont count ptera and deino cause they dont do much for anyone

[cinder tartan]

I don’t think large herds should be abolished, i just think they need to be harder to maintain

[maiden anvil]

[maiden anvil]

Okay that’s actually a good point

I don’t believe in “more actual carnivores” for several reasons

[cinder tartan]

I do see what your saying. There’s only two carnivores that actively hunt at the moment. And i’m not sure how troodon is going to operate at all. We have a pretty perfect variation of herbis right now but there carnivore selection is certainly strange

[lavish quail]

Ptera and dieno arent exactly menacing on the most part

[maiden anvil]

Generally predators who actively hunt shouldn’t be too much of. Ecosystems irl doesn’t usually have a lot of them and they seem fine and functional at that rate

[lavish quail]

Yeah but carno and mega utah packs are a thing because of the lack of active gameplay in other carnivores

[maiden anvil]

I don’t see a problem with the amount of uthas and carnos taking the spotlight as active hunters only. It still won’t change the amount of population per predator species. Look at wolfs, they are pretty much the only real hunters in their lands and there’s nothing wrong with it

[lavish quail]

Yeah but thats irl

in game utah and carno matchups are very easy read by now

Troodons gonna be weird and cera isnt gonna fill that spot either

But more land predators in general would be better

[maiden anvil]

While I understand the differences of irl ecosystems and game ones. I don’t think population per species is very different

[lavish quail]

I do want more land interactions though

[maiden anvil]

There can easily be too much of active hunters to kill everything. That’s my perspective of it

Well gotta go. Imma eat some Christmas food with my family. I’ll be back tho

[lavish quail]

Im gon leave for 4 weeks now since christmas and all

[left nacelle]

@sand widget Giant, mutant, carnivorous plants are planned iirc. They even have concept art. They just haven't been mentioned for a couple years https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/oqUnv0q-RA1RT8b-3IWSDq-N7PhylCvArqIv0Emn4Uc/%3Fcb%3D20200208131745/https/static.wikia.nocookie.net/isle/images/5/55/Giant_trap.jpg/revision/latest

[lavish quail]

That would suck to die to

[left nacelle]

That's not the only concept art either, I just can't find the others lol. The other one I can remember showed a large plant in a destroyed building that had like tentacles and stuff

[cinder tartan]

Not entirely sure what purpose they would serve tbh

[paper oriole]

I still find it funny how even fucking plants get strains but herbis dont

[left nacelle]

Adds a new horror element, potentially a new food source, and a new danger to watch out for in the environment

[lavish quail]

poor herbis

btw i decided on making a rose bush kentro strain model thing

[left nacelle]

Well going by what we know about strains, a Hyper herbi would be suuuper boring

[paper oriole]

Devs hate herbis so hard they went “yeah carnis get strains and uhhh herbivore food geta strains”

[lavish quail]

it turned into a mush that i couldnt fix so im gonna do that again some other time

[paper oriole]

Why do people hear “strain” and act like hyper covers all strains

[lavish quail]

Yeah theres the wizard and invisible strains too

[left nacelle]

Becauase Hyper is currently the only strain we know anything about lol. It's the same reason people just planets by how "earth-like" they are. It's the only example we have

[lavish quail]

Neuro spino can control the weather

and tissos are like hiding bois

[paper oriole]

Tissos are sort of assassins, neuros are mages, hypers are tanks

[lavish quail]

sorry wizard spino

[paper oriole]

Carnis get 3 badass strains and herbivores get to walk in a triangle and then die

[left nacelle]

That's Neuro spino tho. We don't know if that's exclusive to neuro spino or a neuro thing in general. We have multiple hypers and we know why they are the way they are

[lavish quail]

Neuros are wizards

Theres concepts and stuff somewhere

[left nacelle]

But that's still less than we know about Hypers

[lavish quail]

Why cant we have a separate herbi strain anyway

As much as i love walking in circles waiting for something to attack me i want to do that in style

[outer sphinx]

neuro is connected to neural abilites, they wont be to different from each other in the ideas that they all have the same core theme

[paper oriole]

Neuros are like megamind doctor strange alien dinosaurs

Its a consistent theme

[lavish quail]

Megamind is in my top 3 movies

top one being monty python and the holy grail

[paper oriole]

Its a gem for sure

[cinder tartan]

Do they really not plan to do strains for herbis?

[outer sphinx]

nope

[lavish quail]

None

[outer sphinx]

since strains revolve around carnis/eating meat, so that means herbis would become carnis which is a whole other bucket of fish

[lavish quail]

Thats why im gonna make a mod for one

but also i dont know anything about programming

im just a decent modeller

[cinder tartan]

That strikes me as rather cringe innit bruv

[outer sphinx]

you just make a mod that says: imagine it you lazy fuck when you die

[compact hare]

I heard somewhere they arent planned anymore
hope they still are cool concepts

[lavish quail]

Plants over herbis really hurt you know

[lavish quail]

Dark souls mod; everything has 10k health but you, who has 5

[manic flint]

make herbi strains but they have to eat these

[paper oriole]

healthy herbis that successfully eat enough of this demon spawn plant mutate and get enhancements based on their diet food

[lavish quail]

Make the plant a parasite that slowly kills you but makes you stronger

so ripoff elder actually nvm

[paper oriole]

thats actually a lot like the idea thats ive had buried in a doc that i still never finished

it infects you, you get enhancements (thorns, poisons, acid, vines, bark flesh, photosyntheses, etc) depending on your animals diet and eventually you get overgrown and just become a freaky dinosaur plant carcass that perhaps gives bonuses to other herbis when they eat it (but obviously doesnt give them the strain because that shit would be busted)

[lavish quail]

Dont like google docs

just a hassle to read

[paper oriole]

so once you get overgrown and die you become like one of the annihilation plant corpses except a dinosaur and creepier

so it has a fallacy just like the other strains, it doesnt just last as a forever buff to rampage with

[lavish quail]

True

[paper oriole]

maybe the strain feeds on blood, the more it gets the faster you mutate and consequentially the faster your reign ends

caenivores would want to kill you and get your extra nutritious body, herbivores would want you to live and die naturally through overgrowth so they could get the extra nutritious overgrown plant carcass. just fuels a blood bath

probably a toxic idea

[gritty helm]

It's a good one tho

[golden beacon]

bruh killed 2 utahs and when i dropped them they fell through the floor

Like i cant even eat

[lavish quail]

where is this happening?

never happened for me

[golden beacon]

I grabbed them as deino and when i kill them they are glitched out of my mouth and if drop them they fall through the floor

Happened 3 times now

2 utahs and a pachy

[left nacelle]

Try and do it again and record it and then post it in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[golden beacon]

Alright

Time to snatch some more utahs

[rare fractal]

@topaz palm Based fluffy duster Galli
Good concise doc btw

[paper oriole]

Flesh grazing suggestion #4937229870

[lavish quail]

Sorry you actually miscounted

It’s #4937229872

[paper oriole]

Oh, my bad. Apologies

[topaz palm]

Thank you! 💚 hope we have our fast and furious featherdusters once more!

[topaz palm]

That was supposed to be a reply to you abdhddd I think Discord messed it up

[manic flint]

Why cerato for flesh grazing though
The only one it would make a lot of sense for is Giga

[lyric spoke]

can boars be fucking bled out at all?

[rare fractal]

Lol discord is weird sometimes, Galli is one of those dinos that is so simple to implement and balance but so much controversy surrounds it at the same time lol
You just seemed to have a good grasp on it, best so far at least

[topaz palm]

Thank you! I hope to see some (or maybe aaaaall) of those changes made!

[rare fractal]

Same

[urban flax]

@maiden anvil Stego's already like that. It's head takes double damage whereas for every other playable except Pachy, it's only 150% damage.

[maiden anvil]

Oh... well in that case it wasn’t necessary at all to write that suggestion lol

[unique shell]

does not really matter that much though stego has a small head so harder to hit

and since they can turn on a dime its not really an issue for them

[gentle ice]

I feel like TI devs should focus and making the game run smoother

[tepid gate]

they should focus on that and on making this game actually enteretaining, growing anything is just atrociously boring

[gentle ice]

Ye that too

[tepid gate]

I've just spent the last half an hour afking Tenonto and it seems like I have some 40 more minutes of afking to do before I get it to full adult

[paper oriole]

the isle

[last lily]

Finally, a viable Magy concept.

[paper oriole]

i think sea cucumber magy and skunk magy were viable

[gentle ice]

yeah spending ur whole evening or multiple ones just to die isnt ok

no growth should take more then 2,5 - 3h

[paper oriole]

problem with that is there would be much more incentive to just pick an animal at the top of the food chain, sit in a bush to get to adult and then turn the game back in to legacy where hal the server was rexes. even with long growth in legacy it was super easy to grow and servers were just nonstop rexes and gigas, imagine how awful the ecosystem would be if in evrima you could grow an apex in 3h. diets havent made things harder for carnis, since they can just eat a few frogs and sit in a bush

the issue with carno that is still going on even after the nerfs from qa is still there, carnos at every corner of the map spam calling and megapacking. that but with what every apex predator comes next, and next, and next

[tepid gate]

Carnos are everywhere and are completely incapable of doing anything. People just like this animal - it's almost like the playerbase tends to gravitate towards the theropods because they are the dinosaurs that they find the most interesting.

I've spent the whole afternoon chasing Carnos down and most didn't even want to pick a fight against a single Tenonto, I had to stalk them for quite some time in most cases to even get them to fight me.

We should get more animals out of those that the playerbase wants to play first. Additions such as Hypsi or Dryo are just niche picks that very few people(if anyone at all) want to play. It would be nice having some choice among the animal that the playerbase has an interest in playing since that might just give us some diversity.

And upping the time-requirements for the animals that people want to play is an awful suggestion, this game is enough of a timesink as it is.

It's just an awful design all around

Then again it's all because of the moronic growth system that brings this game down.

[odd token]

What I like is that the devs stated they wanna encourage competition over food between carnivores, yet introduce carnibal debuffs to i.e. a utah which is the dumbest concept they came up with. So now you've conditioned your community of mostly little kids to call everyone a cannibal just because you're competing over food which the devs encouraged you to do

[mental sleet]

You forget that competition is not solely between carnivores of the same kind, not to mention the cannibalism debuffs only apply when eating your own kind, you can still brutally murder them and walk away.

[odd token]

and since all juvi utahs just run up to a fucking stranger and thinking he's gonna be ''friendly''

its not about complaining over the cannibalism debuff, its that people have been conditioned to call everyone a cannibal simply because of it. I don't give a shit about not being able to eat your own kind, its the discrepancy that annoys me

[tepid gate]

People have been calling me a cannibal ever since Evrima released. It had nothing to do with the diets.

[odd token]

but complaining over it won't really help much, I can only hope that perks in the future are gonna do something about it. until then I will just continue to murder little utahs who think a stranger adult is gonna be ''friendly''

[odd token]

this ''cannibal'' thing is so weird, nobody in legacy times would even come up with calling someone a cannibal

it just appeared outta nowhere the first days evrima launched, just because of casual players who keep dying over and over again complaining about getting killed by their own kind just because they're bad players

and now with the introduction of the cannibal debuff they gave that casual community even further reason to suck at survival and expect other utahs to not kill their own kind, otherwise you're seen as a rogue/ cannibal which is just an excuse to hide the fact that you can't survive otherwise

[cyan flame]

Im pretty sure that was a thing even back in prog, for both herbis and carnis for that matter. It's most certainly not new to Evrima.

[odd token]

maybe not entirely new, but it was never really a great concern amongst the community before evrima

[cyan flame]

Well, with more playables, it'd be less relevant, maybe that's the reason it's more of an issue in Evrima

Or was, since we launched with a grand total of two playables :p

[odd token]

I gotta give the devs credit though for not giving carno the cannibal debuff

tbh I don't even think it would make any difference if the devs were to remove the cannibal debuff from utah, cuz people who die to their own kind will come up with basically any excuse and term to justify the fact that they just died to another player, making it even less likely that people would stop calling them cannibals

[cyan flame]

Well the cannibal debuff is useful and should be applied to most carnis, since it prevents them from just feeding on their own dead. Plenty of targets out there, or should be, so go be a part of the ecosystem and all that! Doesn't matter what people call others if they die, that's not really relevant to the use of a mechanic and all that.

[odd token]

and thats exactly why things like megapacks of utahs exist, because all the casual players who can't survive on their own have to form big groups and have the numbers where they can feel safe, and the fact that you shouldn't feed on your own kind just completely nullifies what this game is supposed to be, a hardcore survival game

[pale bloom]

You dont see that on Legacy because AI literally spawns on you when youre starving and the only time ive seen people cannibalize its because theyre playing Apexes on high population servers were they cant fill theimselves just on AI

The cannibal thing is new on Evrima not only because how the ecosystem works but because the lack of prey to hunt

[cyan flame]

Hardcore survival has nothing to do with if there's cannibalism or not. And far as I know, megapacks happens for all kinds of reasons, so not sure that matters in this case. And again, this has been a thing on legacy and earlier too.

[pale bloom]

Althought Utah cannibalization has been reduced almost to non existence due to the debuffs of eating other Utahs

[cyan flame]

Not like you can't kill your own anyway, you just can't feed off of it, which is good. No more self-sustaining megapacks or being able to keep going due to just eating your own juvies. Though maybe a debuff isn't neccesary, could just not give any nutris and it should work too.

[pale bloom]

You can kill your own but if you do so its because any reason that isnt eating, unless youre starving to death , but on my personal experience I dont see utahs killing each other anymore, could happen but its quite rare as Utah also benefits on numbers

[gentle ice]

Heard that apexes wont be able to be chosen all of the time

Idk doe heard of that but idk if its gonna happen

Still u have a good point

[paper oriole]

There will probably be servers where true apexes are disabled, that changes nothing, because there is always an apex in the ecosystem

It is what ever predator is on top

And if the growth difficulty between smalls and apexes is negligible, then servers will be like legacy

[gentle ice]

They still need to make it some what entertaining

[paper oriole]

They need to make it more interesting, not lower the growth to laughable levels.

Thats what sandbox is for which i hope comes sooner than later

People who just want to jump in and be afult and have a death match

[gentle ice]

Maybe the elder system will let u use points, when u reach elder and die from old age u can spend it for buffs in ur next life pretty sure they are doing something like it

[outer sphinx]

they said it will come before most of the roster does so that puts it closer thna apexes at least

[paper oriole]

That's the idea, yes

[outer sphinx]

thats basically perks, kinda

[paper oriole]

Having sandbox with global chat and shit in it would help appease a lot of people i think. Global can stay away from survival though

[gentle ice]

Yeah

[outer sphinx]

ye, i'd expect sandbox to come a bit after the core mechanics are in (and i mean all, including burrow and climbing), since in that time we would be close to half the roster and snadbox was said to come before the 50% mark

[paper oriole]

Sandbox can also make finding some bugs and testing balance a lot more efficient/precise

[outer sphinx]

also exploring the map

bc i still hope sandbox wont be on a "test" map but on the map we play on in survival

[paper oriole]

For new players to learn the game too without going to one of those obnoxious freegrow servers

Sandbox should be like legacy where it can be on any available map, but maybe server owners could choose to restrict it to a region

[outer sphinx]

didnt know thats how it worked, just that every time i saw videos of it it was on that "test" map lol

[paper oriole]

There was this really bad server, IoFT that was on v3. It was a sandbox with hunting, herbi aggression and body down rules

A server i admined in also had sandbox thenyaw for a while

[outer sphinx]

so legacy but without survival, seems about nothing had changed from legacy survival

[paper oriole]

Basically

[outer sphinx]

i'd love if in the last days of legacy a sandbox server pops up with those rules and its just called not legacy survival but its legacy survival basically

[gentle ice]

When is the elder system coming?

[outer sphinx]

after u6

roadmap is yet to be updated so after 6.5 its all dark

[gentle ice]

K

[outer sphinx]

but elders, perks, climbing, burrow all are core mechanics that needto be added so its a good guess that 1 or more of them will be part of the next updates

[weak herald]

why am i seeing blurry? like i see blur on the dino movements, I see like 4 of 5 when one runs around

[icy lion]

Do you have DLSS enabled? That's generally what causes this

[weak herald]

I do, thanks! I'll fix it

[serene edge]

I'm a little confused in evrima there is only like a certain sections of the map where I can walk ): when I reach other sections it is just blurred and hasn't loaded in and if I walk on it I start lagging, I still have a lot of space to move around but I can't explore the whole map, I lost my deino because I tried to swim into a part of the map that didn't load in but I was lagging and another deino came and killed me, it seems to only be a me problem, and I've uninstalled the game and also checked the integrity of the game files but it's just started happening in the last week pls help ):

[paper oriole]

How do you “keep getting attacked by stegos”? They’re slow as shit lmao. Does this dude hang out by stegos just to get salty when their slow ass lumbers over and gives him a stab?

And also it may be a processor problem or something making stuff not load in to the game as you travel, since things are supposed to render as you get close to them. As you move and the game tries to render more and more stuff it can shit lag on you. Im not a computer expert tho so idk

[cinder tartan]

The problem is that stegos, when they hit full growth, literally just need a good diet (1/3) and then can just graze

[paper oriole]

Thats basically any animal, well thats how i usually play at least

[cinder tartan]

Meaning they can literally just stand around corpses and lakes and just harass people who are trying to do literally anything

[paper oriole]

Im fine with 1-2 nutrients and i have no issues 90% of the time

[cinder tartan]

The issue is that most animals in the isle aren’t unkillable tanks

And the difference is that herbis can graze

But most carnis always have food problems

[paper oriole]

True stego was a shit addition at this time. I very rarely have food problems as carni but maybe i just have good luck

I afk grow carnis

Then i usually still run in to food as adult often that i didnt even kill myself, people just drop dead ig