general-feedback-discussion

[ancient geyser]

This was the 90's the concept of Sub adults was unheard of

[outer sphinx]

umm actually the wrists and arms for utah in general are good, one thing i can commend them for, fixing the JP raptor design, still hope feathered model looks more like dakota/utah instead of just beeing this pos with few feathers on it

well for all of the dinos that were nothing like the irl one (rex was realistic just not 100% accurate so i exclude it) they gave justification for why it looked like that, for velo they said its modeled after at the time what was believed to be deynonichus (now utah) just named it smth else bc velo sounded cooler to deyno

[paper oriole]

Nerf water i swam in to the ocean 4 times and killed myself i can't spawn in for 2 seconds without willfully approaching something that is unable to pursue me and getting myself killed by it, this is mentally draining

[outer sphinx]

at least the reactions are good

[paper oriole]

Yes

[outer sphinx]

kinda looks like someone reacted to my comment here

[paper oriole]

It do

[manic sun]

I mean

either stego needs a tune down or deino needs a fix/buff

[outer sphinx]

deino kinda does need a damage buff or fractures imo if it is to be an apex

[manic sun]

fractures defenitely

maybe 650 biteforce? Might be too much if I think about it

[outer sphinx]

imo 600N and fractures (but would most of the time just be body fractures since he kinda to big to just go for the leg of most dinos)

[glass verge]

aaaaaaand there went AU1

[wicked osprey]

yup rip

[manic sun]

yea seems good for me

[worn pumice]

Even if u buff it to 600 N it wouldn’t rly help the stego v deino match up

Fractures would be much more beneficial

[hoary dawn]

they make the dev blogs each month even if there isn't always the same amount of progress because the community was asking them to give more information. its better that they share what little progress they make than not share anything

[outer sphinx]

thats why i said bump it a bit to 600 while adding fractures too bc its bite is so underpowered its sad

[lavish quail]

Probably getting update with devlog

[worn pumice]

I’m blind and cannot see past messages

[outer sphinx]

[lavish quail]

@copper willow wut

[copper willow]

Do not ping me please. Thank you. 👍

[urban flax]

Isle is a Scam

[worn pumice]

Agreed

[gaunt canopy]

650 would actually be good because then it could have a fighting chance to defend against stegos , The stegosaurus does around 1000 dmg a hit if it hits you in body and even more when hits you in head I think it it would be fair to up crocs base bit too 650

[outer sphinx]

maybe 650 would be to much if it gets fractures too

[gaunt canopy]

I didn’t mean with fracture

[gaunt canopy]

I just meant the 650 , fracture would make it to op against other things

[lavish quail]

650 is enough too just drop most Dinos in water and kill them with 3 hits

[outer sphinx]

well deino is either gonna dorwn what it can grab and try to fight what it cant, also is logical for it to have fractures, crocs irl beeing known for beeing more crush thna bleed

[gaunt canopy]

If it would be fracture maybe just 600 instead of 650

[gaunt canopy]

Either way it needs a big dmg buff to defend against other apexes

[outer sphinx]

ye, overall imo deino, rex, packy and ancky should be the only ones with fractures, with deino and rex i'd be interesting if they only do body fractures except on large animals like pue and brachy etc (since well they cant really just hit the legs with their size on smaller stuff)

[outer sphinx]

agreed, deinos bite is heavely underpowered rn

[glass swan]

idk if anyone mentioned this but, if the devs said that cera and allo would be able to kill a stego, its implied that its gonna be pretty easy, if a deino can barely kill a stego, how tf is it gonna kill cera or allo?

[cyan flame]

?

[outer sphinx]

i doubt they ever mentioned if it was an adult or not...

cera concept shows it going at a deino but its clearly an juvi or low sub for ex

[cyan flame]

Why would a deino struggle with killing a cera or allo, just because it can't kill an adult stego?

[outer sphinx]

no, if deino (a so so apex) cant klill a stego how can a pseudo mid and mid do it

[glass swan]

^

[gaunt canopy]

Maybe in a pack of 2 or3 but not solo

[cyan flame]

I'd imagine 2-4 allos for a stego, and honestly I doubt ceratos will be killing stegos, unless they do something really weird, considering cera is less powerful than carno is.

[cyan flame]

Well that's an easy answer, they're designed differently, and for using different kinds of attacks and all. Deino is designed for that whole grabbing thing, which inevitably limits it.

[gaunt canopy]

Allo though maybe 3 but cerato 4 or 5

[outer sphinx]

also we've seen cera have to run away from an allo in concept so i doubt it will even get close to a stego, unless it was a juvie or smth and in wanter

[cyan flame]

If it takes 3 allos, I sincerely doubt it'd take only another cera or two. Possible three times that amount and it might work

[glass swan]

its just that, deino was supposed to be an apex along with rex,giga, and spino, but its gets dom'ed by a pseudo mid and will probably happen with allos too

[cyan flame]

What?

[outer sphinx]

pseudo mid? what pseudo mid kills a deino...

stego is apex all and through, and even to think that is just a mid... or lower

[cyan flame]

Allos would be coming in at the size where they can actually do something to a grown deino on land I'd say

But that's still a deino on land in that case

[gaunt canopy]

I still think the base bite should be around 600 or 650 in between there for dieno

[outer sphinx]

as long as it also gets fractures with that seems good to me

[glass swan]

i always thought it should just be able to drag anything too big to grab

[outer sphinx]

its basically the same thing just dif meaning

[fallen cargo]

I'm gonna be real, adding more mid teirs (rn) might break the ecosystem further, if you think about it the reason Carno is an issue is because it eats everything in sight, sure some competition between mid tiers is good but the same mid teirs are gonna need food too, and they won't exclusively be eating eachother, in all honesty, work out the bugs and stuff with Utah and it can be carnos contender just fine, thats my take on it atleast

[outer sphinx]

The problem is that they even thought of adding anything close to mid tier (and god forbid the 2 apexes too) after cera they should release only smalls and work their way up (if they dont want to take them out to replace them with more fitting dinos, reffering to stego and deino)

[fallen cargo]

True, ecosystems are very fragile things, one wrong dino that you can't take back could ruin it until the next 8 dino releases

[valid elk]

Dunno who is doing the poop emoji, but it is annoying. Could just tag me and tell me why you dislike it

[honest sparrow]

Lmao

sees suggestion
reacts with poop emote
refuses to elaborate
What a champion

[manic sun]

this guy wants utah NERFS?

[outer sphinx]

who

[rose flame]

In my Opinion there is not enough water on the Map for the Deinos because you can barely swim in the most parts and cant really enjoy it. And all the Dinos are hanging around the new added (mini) Swamp/pool and because of that there is not enough food/dinos at the rivers for the crocs (and to many i kill for fun crocs)

[crude girder]

@lament pecan doesn't it make more sense for that to come in with the nesting update than the diet update?

[lament pecan]

Nesting update is no sooner than in 6 months, if they're indeed focusing on humans

[urban flax]

I think hypsi skins are low enough in priority order to be relegated to be in 6 months
We kinda have more outstanding issues that need fixing or improving before that

[outer sphinx]

also growth is coming in u5 for hypsi

[glass swan]

Idk if this is an unpopular opinion but….I think the devs should finish the very small tier Dino’s and just completely take out Utah and everything above, bring them back in when other small and mid tiers are finished and can compete with each other, basically just restart the Dino batches

[outer sphinx]

umm 50/50, its a horrible idea to take out utah and so many others, more they need to replace stego and deino with lower tier counterparts (and maybe add cera too) then to flesh out the small tiers of the roster and get to the bigger tiers 1 by 1

[paper oriole]

If they take out the jp fanboy magnets like utah then there will be a lot less people laying evrima during those patches

Stego, deino and carno were terrible additions for this time in development but things like utah and tenonto are fine

[outer sphinx]

i mean utah is only the jp guy since it was modeled to resemble it

and i doubt jp fanboys are only playing the isle bc of utah that looks like the raptors there

[limber hull]

@barren zephyr I have to disagree with your assessments that tropical settings are less scary. Predator is an example of how well a tropical setting can be done with horror, and I feel a dense tropical setting would make things feel far scarier for humans than the very wide open environments we had in Legacy. Yes, the map sucks, but not because it’s tropical, it’s just not well made atm.

[paper oriole]

Arent they adding a redwoods biome anyway

If this is the “horror” forest or whatever that they want

[limber hull]

Yea, which is fine, but I’d still like the most of the environment to stay jungle and tropical

[paper oriole]

Certainly on this map at least

[limber hull]

If update 5 has a complete map rework by Jace introducing redwoods as a biome, I’m gonna be so happy

Not to mention the arid biome lmao

[worn pumice]

i rly hope once U4 drops that plant spawns are much more spread out in their specific biomes

[calm granite]

guys look at this

play carno right and you get this hang on

[paper oriole]

yeah sick of shit like coconuts being in one spot instead of just all along the coasts and 80% the plains plants bein in center it just makes herbivore gameplay shitty, boring and nonstop conflict with carnos

[calm granite]

wrong chat

[paper oriole]

jump cancels a knockdown?

[calm granite]

ig

[paper oriole]

lmao damn

[calm granite]

i meant to post this elsewhere

like i get punished

[paper oriole]

i feel like that isnt an intended feature for jumping to just negate a knockdown

probably just another bug in the long list of bugs in this game

[calm granite]

it better be a fuckin bug lmao

L

[worn pumice]

yea its annoying af

its like they want everyone to be at center

[paper oriole]

They claimed they wanted to eliminate the hot spot issue but they crammed all the herbi food in center

[worn pumice]

makes no sense

I havent seen anyone anywhere except center and swamp thats it

plus the map is shit so that doesn't help

[paper oriole]

I wanna be able to travel as an herbi i barely play herbi in qa because of how dull their diet situation is

[worn pumice]

their diet is just a fetch quest its not fun

[paper oriole]

Also cant tell the diet colours in scent because of my colourblind ass eyes but thats a me problem

[calm granite]

scent range should be an age thing nothing to do with diet

[worn pumice]

yea i have color blindess too although its not too bad

[paper oriole]

Herbi diets are basically just being herded in to an open area so they are easy for carnis to find. Herbivore gameplay quality seems to not have been considered

[calm granite]

should get perks for having all 3 nutrients

[worn pumice]

they should just show on scent UI which plant is which

[calm granite]

anf that

[worn pumice]

rn if u dont have 3 nutrients growing takes way too long

[paper oriole]

Scent colour

[calm granite]

having water should increase stam regen even more

[paper oriole]

The stats and growth with perfect diet is barely noticable from live

[calm granite]

when its lower ur bonus goes lower

cuz running around the map rn is a pain as adult

kinda

[paper oriole]

As some animals yeah

I had 0 problem with utah on travel for instance

[signal beacon]

Oh, your diets bad because you spawned in? You need to sniff for food? Well fuck you here are debuffs to your sent AND everything else. Shouldn't have spawned in lmao

[calm granite]

truuuue

[worn pumice]

[paper oriole]

You kinda gotta be lucky with there beingfood nearby where you spawn in thst isnt taken yet

[calm granite]

food should start half n nutrients 25%

[paper oriole]

Pick a bad spawn? Gg

[worn pumice]

carnivore food is even worse cuz if u dont find anything within a few minutes your dead

luckily theres usually loads of dead things

[paper oriole]

There are lots of ai that spawn ridiculous distance from water too

[calm granite]

more growing is more fun, unles u like to rp as a baby growing up which is cringe asf

[worn pumice]

ai is a walking joke

[calm granite]

120 back to 150 would be perfect

[paper oriole]

Most ai just stands there and dies or turns in to a murderboat on sight

[calm granite]

dryo baby ai be juking me

i think its the best ai lmao

[worn pumice]

they wanted to lessen afk gameplay but that will never happen until they start making growing fun

[manic flint]

Dino AI shouldn't be in the game
Its a waste of time
Just go for the modern animals
AI dinos are bad

They walk in circles and do nothing

[calm granite]

cant wait for ai rex to teleport to me

[manic flint]

And scream at.the top of their lungs

[silver zephyr]

i feel like frumpkin explains it well #isle-discussion message

[paper oriole]

Imagine ai rex bugging like tenonto ai swimming at carno sprint speed to kos you across the river

[silver zephyr]

imagine if they stuck with stego ai for update 2 and rex ai for update 4

[worn pumice]

man

[calm granite]

im pumped for new rex man, i hope its the strongest but hardest to grow

[gritty helm]

Dino AI is fine when it's smalls because those are gonna inevitably be the more unpopular creatures but when you start to get to things Utah size and above that's where the line is crossed

[calm granite]

south should be reverted too, that place is so buggy and just bad

[paper oriole]

What part of south? Southeast seems fine to me

[calm granite]

swamp is ugly asfff, im talking about south, the water fall

arent we getting another map? i hope so, nice and small like thenyaw

[manic flint]

Dryo Ai maybe
But diets will become much more diverse so that shouldn't be a problem
And Ai modern animals work just fine

[gritty helm]

I agree here, but given how seemingly dead set the devs are on having some dino AI I just feel smalls should be the only candidates for it as anything else is either a free buffet or an annoyance that can make you lose hours of progress with you being unable to do much about it depending on what you happen to be playing in that current moment

[tiny venture]

<@&505047238674874368> Na 1 crashed and is black screening players.

[limber hull]

Personally, I hate smalls just as much. If you want people to play less smalls and remake legacy by playing big dinos, don’t bother making smalls fun, just make them AI. I’d prefer an engaging, unique and fun dryo to an AI dryo

[gritty helm]

And that's just the unfortunate lose/lose situation with this decision. If the purpose of Dino ai is for carni's to have their dietary needs fulfilled you can just replace the Dino ai with a modern animal and get the exact same result.

On the flip side if the purpose of it is to cater to the human experience (which I imagine is the reason why) then why bother making playable dino's at that point? It'd just be redundant work

[limber hull]

As someone who loves the idea of humans, I only see dino AI as something that takes away from that experience rather than adding to it. I’d much rather face scary, unpredictable, intelligent and learning animals to something that has a set AI response whenever I do the same thing. Mercs can’t even eat dinosaurs and have no real incentive to hunt them (afaik), so AI dinos serve no purpose regardless

Also take what I say about mercs with a grain of salt lmao, I’m just echoing what I’ve seen in here

[gritty helm]

[paper oriole]

Knowing that an animal is AI greatly diminishes their positive effect in the game's environment. And the isle AI is utter trash that you can distinguish right away

AI should make the island feel more alive, and any dino ai 1ton and up isnt needed at all for that

[sand lantern]

This is just a random thing.
Deinonychus should replace Utah ai? Anyone think that could work?

And maybe instead of trex ai it could be something like tarbosaurus could work so more would spawn.

I’m not sure if this is a very good idea or not so I didn’t sent it in general-feedback.
Tell me what you think

[paper oriole]

Dont really see the point of that, however if they were to replace something like Utahraptor AI it would be better to make use of the old dakota asset instead of dropping more money to make a deinonychus model

Dont really see the point of utah ai at all though, or tenonto ai or carno ai or stego ai or rex ai, etc

[limber hull]

man i dont see the point of dryo AI other than "we haven't added any actually unique features to this animal so it might as well be AI"

i just want dryo to be a good animal man

[paper oriole]

Small and not very impactful animals can make the world feel a bit more alive but yeah they seem to have rushed dryo and made it lame af just to throw it out there as ai

I wish dryo could capitalize on being a juke god but its dodge is garbage and its agility isnt exactly anything special

[limber hull]

dryo is just boring and it sucks. I hope it's given the power of being nocturnal in the NV update tbh, I think our first nocturnal rep actually being dryo would 100% make it a more popular animal, and having a plethora of nocturnal members of the roster would be awesome imho

[paper oriole]

Dryo and taco at least deserve good nv

Taco deserves the most complex burrows as well

Dryo deserves a dodge thats actually worth using. Good dodge, great agility and stamina. Juke god

[limber hull]

give it a far superior night vision to all other members of the roster atm. Carno and stego's NV should be awful; hypsi, ptera, utah, pachy and teno's should be decent; deino's should be pretty good, dryo's should be the best out of the animals

Seriously carno and stego having good NV seems stupid tbh. Both these animals seem like mainly daytime roamers who don't much care for night

[manic flint]

i want dryos dodge to essentially be an aimable jump, no sidestep bullshit

[paper oriole]

Imo dryo doesn’t even need to get burrows back if it can capitalize on agility. Good nightvision and maneuverability can make a fun animal who is a massive ultra instinct nuisance in the right hands

[manic flint]

yea

[paper oriole]

If it was aimable it would be worth using yeah

[manic flint]

dryo doesnt need burrowing, it should just be the agility king, give it a better dodge and maybe better stam regen with good night vis (those are big eyes) and it'll be a fun playable. still able to fight some other smalls but mostly running

[limber hull]

Honestly, give it the nocturnal rabbit getup. High speed, high agility, good night vision, decent dodge, low-medium stam and low health. If it's caught out during the night, it can dash into the darkness, and in the day, it can dash to a safe burrow, but can't run forever like it does now.

[manic flint]

ii like that

[limber hull]

IDK, never liked dryo being essentially a galli clone

[paper oriole]

Dryo doesnt need to be faster (idk if you were meaning that), but his agility and dodge is lame as fuck and herbivores have been shafted on nocturnals

[limber hull]

nah, not faster, it just needs what it has now, great night vision, a better dodge and lower stam (and maybe burrows too). Also yea, let me have some nocturnal herbi reps smh

[paper oriole]

Leave the speed demon role to galli honestly, dryo should be the annoying and jittery juke god he should have been from the start

I do hope galli is fast as fuck and not yet another slow herbi

[limber hull]

Dryos should be tangoing with dilos and troodons, since it's interactions with carno and utah are fucking lame

Carno = die instantly
Utah = die instantly

Troodon would be something the dryo could fight back against and a dilo can't pounce and likely does not have the same agility as a utah, so both would be deadly, but dryo would have interesting counterplay rather than literally dying instantly

[paper oriole]

The main issue leading to “die instantly” though is its underwhelming maneuverability though

[manic flint]

dryo vs trood fights seem fun

[paper oriole]

If it had high maneuverability and high stamina to make up for its inability to outspeed its primary predators it would be less depressing of a matchup

[manic flint]

if they gave dryo another type of basic attack

[limber hull]

True but frankly, let GALLI be the quick and agile animal utahs and carnos prey on in the day, in the night, it's time for dryo v troodons/dilos

[paper oriole]

Galli shouldn’t capitalize on agility nearly as much as dryo should with a proper dodge and turn rates

[manic flint]

yea

[paper oriole]

Galli should be speed, not sacrificed speed for agility

[limber hull]

Honestly, galli should be outsped by carno, but galli has greater agility

[paper oriole]

Imo galli should be higher than utah and a bit lower than carno in speed. No more machine gun kick, slow cassowary channel

[manic flint]

the agility and speed for smaller animals is complicated cause if theyre too fast playing as any small will be tedious but too slow and they get bodied by everything

[limber hull]

You can literally make dryo so much more engaging by simply making it a nocturnal herbi rather than another basic fucking animal

[manic flint]

troodon looks ridiculously fast

[limber hull]

likely incomplete stats tbh

[manic flint]

ya

but i like how easily it disappears

[paper oriole]

The human in test was also ridiculously fast

[limber hull]

This thing LOOKS nocturnal. Huge eye to body ratio mean it can easily see in darkness where other animals cannot

[manic flint]

i wonder how theyll balance magy and kentro speed wise

[limber hull]

They have pretty fuckin' big eyes

[manic flint]

exactly! look at its damn eyes

we need more nocturnal animals than "ooooo scary small venom utah" and "ooo scary less agile venom utah"

nocturnal dryo is the perfect start

[manic flint]

do we know if dryo was nocturnal irl or are the big eyes a design liberty

it seems to have big eyes irl too

[limber hull]

we cant really assure that

[manic flint]

yea but we can guess

and the eye to body ratio is typically a good tell

[outer sphinx]

other than the fact that deinonychus is considerably smaller than utah

[outer sphinx]

hm... venom... i see a trend

[manic flint]

Exactly

[outer sphinx]

also its fine if they make it nocturnal, herra got the same idea, this is not saurian, its not 100% accuracy sim, they are for the most part, accurate creatures that stay faithfull to the irl counterpart while hacing a few changes/differences to make them unique, herra is a climber, its got the forearms to do so, dryo has good nv? well its got giant eyes for it size

the creatures have to be believable first and foremost for this ecosystem, accuracy and realism comes next with uniqueness

[limber hull]

i genuinely believe dryo fits a nocturnal lifestyle

not to mention, a diverse cast of nocturnal animals would make nighttimes far more lively

[outer sphinx]

it woulkd make sense too if its gets burrow, most burrowers rn are nocturnal when active on surface

[limber hull]

I'd go so far as to say with the right perk build, even a rex can and probably should be prowling under the cover of darkness.

The ambush king with a massive brain for its size seems like a great nocturnal fit

Although, adding a rex as exclusively nocturnal would be silly

[outer sphinx]

the thing is, rex was so overtuned for its time that putting it in a game like this with all its perks gets very far over overpowered

[limber hull]

I like the idea of perks being able to redefine a creature's survival strategies. A rex can become nocturnal, a utah can become fond of human meat, a teno can become more aquatic, a stego more able to live away from water for longer durations, a deino accustomed to coastal living. These are what I'd like to see perks create, animals diversifying survival strategies based on personal preference

less of the "meta perks" more perks that can allow you to play an animal in a unique way that suits you or makes replaying the animal feel fresh

[lavish quail]

Joining late but I want some combat changing perks too :p

Carno ram sacrificing damage for fracture damage

Utah pounce trading bleed for damage

Stuff that changes your strategy

Teno being more aquatic is nice

I want a hypsi perk for that too

Also nocturnal dryo is based

[paper oriole]

The issue of combat related perks is packs of animals with those mixed perks can get op

Having a pack of raptors who can dish out both great raw damage and great bleed when both are already supposed to be viable with only one. A pack of carnos packing fracture to cripple a target and then chain ram with the damage version members

It creates the same issue that mix packing already does except the mix pack could now group ingame

[outer sphinx]

perks should have nothing to do with combat, only with survivability and niche gameplay alternatives (like salt water croc)

[lavish quail]

Oooh good reasoning

Hmmm I do want to see some minor combat changing ones though

But I see where that can go

[paper oriole]

If perks do end up including combat modifications it should be trading between traits the dino already has(utah's bleed, speed and agility traits for example), but even that can upset balance and we all know how bad the isle is with keeping up balance already. Best to just not

[paper oriole]

What if, I simply eat the frog instead?

[last lily]

Frog transmitted disease

[paper oriole]

A small price to pay

[barren zephyr]

Rex ai?🤮🤮any ai bigger than a teno shouldn’t be added. Especially considering they want to add ai of every dinosaur and modern ai. I want to play against players not some shitty ai

[limber hull]

rex AI has been planned for a while, and I feel the same way you do about it

[last lily]

Going to be.. pretty bad to see a T. Rex Ai just walking into a wall until doing a 180 in .5 seconds and one shotting someone like it's Ark.

[limber hull]

agreed

[last lily]

"This tree is mine. You must die."

[limber hull]

just make the ambient AI the only AI please oh please

[last lily]

I still want murder fish that won't hesitate to saw a mercenary in half or something.

[outer sphinx]

i doubt they will do that but i hope

[clever urchin]

@stark dust I agree with your suggestion, but I think 1 or 2 is too little, I'd say 4 could be the Max, I think it should attack Sub adults and Adults, Hatchlings and Juvies would be ignored by the Rex AI, but everything else you listed I completely agree

[limber hull]

mate, these are rexes, having them be as rare as solid mercury would be best to ensure no one gets utterly fucked over by them. Reminder that adult apexes themselves as playables are meant to be rare in the finished EVRIMA

[outer sphinx]

or you know... just not add dino ai

[limber hull]

due to the difficulty in even growing one

[limber hull]

and yea, this, 100%

[outer sphinx]

they want more challanging AI... 2 words: wild boars, no need for shitty playables as AI, also moose if you want a bit more roid rage

[limber hull]

also the "rexes can't attack juvis" sounds good on paper before you realise that adult troodons are literally smaller than some juvis

[outer sphinx]

some... you mean most with the full roster in mind

[outer sphinx]

better it would be if it only attacked mids and higher (or pseudo apex and up)

[stark dust]

in addition I think it would be cool for ai rex as an indication for people who are juvis. The rex will be hostile to them if there are no adult dinosaurs around the radius but will stay neutral if there are adult dinosaurs around

[outer sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-staring-éoq-i-beg-your-pardon-shoebill-gif-11870510

[clever urchin]

I am now confused

[outer sphinx]

why t... what makes a rex not attack if there are adults nearby... you mean to say that if a troo juvi had its parents it will not attack... im dumbfounded... its a rex god dammit

[stark dust]

[clever urchin]

I dont have anything against Dino AI, but I'm slowly accepting the Remove Dino AI Idea due to the fact how the AI behaves

[stark dust]

like I also said you could just not add the ai in the first place

[outer sphinx]

poor amarok...

[clever urchin]

But you guys do have a point, 4 is too much, the original 1/2 would be best if they add Rex AI

[clever urchin]

I do feel sorry for him, it's literally just him doing AI stuff to my knowledge.

[outer sphinx]

also it is impossible to make AI that doesnt feel like AI with our current abilties and understandings of it, so AI will always be bad in a multiplayer player driven game

[stark dust]

sheesh now it kinda makes sense why the ai is so horrible in the isle its because its just one person doing it and no one to accompany him

[outer sphinx]

yep, he's the only dev for AI, they got him in since he has a passion for this

[tawdry oyster]

I think the hervivore AI is sometimes fine, the carnivore one is the tricky one

[clever urchin]

I think its all subjective really, I dont mind as long as there's AI in general

[outer sphinx]

theres nothing that dino AI brings that ambient AI cant other thna just making the interactions feel cheap

[echo tiger]

I think AI being absent added to the game, the player interactions cemented the experience and isn't ridiculous at all, like these AI break more times than they are functional so

[outer sphinx]

or to be more clear, playable dino AI

[echo tiger]

Small AI fauna is fine, like compy; boars etc

but player AI is ridic

[lavish quail]

Eh player AI can work with time

Just make their pathfinding less dumb

[echo tiger]

It can yeah, but its more frustrating than rewarding

[tawdry oyster]

Yea but not always will you run into other players and not always will it be easy to get food that’s why ai is a life saver for carnivores

[lavish quail]

They kinda just float around where they spawn

[echo tiger]

I mean every encounter with a tenonto AI i've had has just been: it'll chase me for 5 seconds, its AI breaks and then it stands there as it gets headshot

[tawdry oyster]

The interactions are kinda cheap tho

[lavish quail]

Yeah it needs a lot

[echo tiger]

AI also poses problems later on in the games development if it actually happens, Apexes might just be able to munch on AI for free at the corners of the map and just grow, a problem which will be endemic to the game no matter what systems are put in place to address it; same with AFK growing.

AI just serves to circumvent the original intent of the diets system which was to quash AFK and corner growers i think?

[outer sphinx]

thats what i said

[tawdry oyster]

ik I just replied

[tawdry oyster]

That’s what the diet update is for

Or I think it’s this update

[echo tiger]

Yeah, but they've just double backed on it with AI

its not exactly hard to just plow through utahs or afk tenontos as a sub adult and wear them down with time

atleast as a carno, utah is just fucked so i never bothered.

[lavish quail]

@barren zephyr sandbox is cool and all but you use the zoo?

[barren zephyr]

Fuck no

Well sometimes if I'm really bored

[lavish quail]

It’s a mess we don’t touch it

We use healthy alternatives

[barren zephyr]

Zoo admins complete a simple task challenge (impossible)

[lavish quail]

Zoo admins failing to grow everyone once an hour

[barren zephyr]

2 hours now

[lavish quail]

Fr?

[barren zephyr]

And they also take breaks on 2 days of the week I think

[lavish quail]

Smh just use a server that does constant grows when you request

Problem with them is that no one is on evrima rn so no one is doing those

[barren zephyr]

Yep

I mean the zoo is funny because if you go around killing shit right after grows they have to wait another 2 hours

Thats what me and friends do as stegos on occasion

[outer sphinx]

imagine if they were a dino that takes less thna 2h to grow too

[barren zephyr]

Then we'll kill em again

[lavish quail]

The zoo after being 100% deinos and stegos

[outer sphinx]

if it was less than 2h then they actually have to grow it since it would take more to just wait for free grow

[plush rampart]

Lol I’m pretty sure the poor guy in #general-feedback missed the entire point I was trying to make

[signal beacon]

@barren zephyr how would we stop the problem old sandbox had of those damn rex death pits. I don't think anyone would play anything other than deino and steg

[barren zephyr]

Their choice

[outer sphinx]

why would anyone play deino if its on land

[barren zephyr]

Plus people in Evrima actually have a reason to play other animals because they're a lot more unique and interesting and not just varied stats, it's why servers like the zoo always have many different species running around

And besides a stego can't ambush chase you at like 40km an hour so

[plush rampart]

I’d love to see a bunch of deino players try to run around on line

*land

[tawdry oyster]

In evrima the dinos take more than 2hours to grow?

Bruh

[lavish quail]

@toxic mantle have an image

[outer sphinx]

depends, some take up to 10h iirc

[tawdry oyster]

Dayum, that’s more than apexes in legacy

[toxic mantle]

I'd rather them finish the update currently then have a completely separate update dedicated to humans.

[outer sphinx]

well that is with bad diet (no nutrients), the perfect diet for those creatures is around 5h (and both are apexes vyi)

[tawdry oyster]

Hm

[lavish quail]

Doubt we’ll get humans ngl

[toxic mantle]

If we don't I'll tell them good job in feedback lol..

[tawdry oyster]

I don’t want humans

But they will be coming and I know it

[manic sun]

NOOOOOO

they deleted the post

[tawdry oyster]

Which one

[manic sun]

Industrial Society and its future

[copper geode]

Mine 😎😎😎

[manic sun]

3:14h

[lavish quail]

@lament pecan yeah they haven’t done a lot with #phase-three-requests but the original channel still does what it’s supposed to

[tepid gate]

That's not true - 10 hours is the growth time of Stegosaurus and Deinosuchus with a good diet. Great diet brings it down to 7 hours 40 minutes and a perfect one down to 5 hours. Bad one causes it to skyrocket to some 20 hours.

[outer sphinx]

oh god...

but beeing realistic, it would be pretty hard to stay on bad diet for 20h...

[honest sparrow]

Yo I have a question

What exactly of cera and magy do people want?

[manic sun]

everything

[crude girder]

I mean kinda hard to give everything if there isn't a lot that has been worked on as of late

I'd be kinda surprised if they had much more than locomotion, maybe a few other random utlity animations like eyewiping and some idle loops

given that atm the animators seem to be focusing on fracture animations and Troodon

[lavish quail]

And humans

[crude girder]

Outside of that, both have their concepts already, and we have seen their adults with skins, we've seen Magy juvi, and presumably Cera is using the same juvi as legacy, or at least a similar looking one

[lavish quail]

I mean megalania 3rd most requested

[crude girder]

Who probably doesn't have a model yet

[honest sparrow]

We even have magy sounds

[crude girder]

or if they do, it isn't being animated I can almost guarantee that

given it's so far off

[lavish quail]

Tbf if they don’t do 1 of the 3 they should remove the channel

[crude girder]

Would you want them to delay working on other things that are short term more important and instead work on content that won't be ready any time soon?

like maybe a Megalania character concept is possible, or a skin concept if we don't have one

[lavish quail]

What’s hypno been up too tho

[crude girder]

but otherwise I don't think Megalania can really have anything else shown

[lavish quail]

Make some megalania art

[manic sun]

^

[crude girder]

The QA lead? He's been leading QA, he doesn't do art

[lavish quail]

Wait I’m dumb

[crude girder]

well Fred does environmental concepts

[mental sleet]

Hypner, Master of the Arts

[lavish quail]

It’s tapwing right?

[crude girder]

and Tap does those character/skin concepts, but they have a huge backlog as well

[mental sleet]

The new Picasso.

[lavish quail]

Anyway they basically have too

[crude girder]

so they might be in the middle of another animal that hasn't been shown yet, and they'd have to stop doing what they are paid to do, to make something else that isn't needed or helpful atm

cause having the animation reference sheet for Megalania isn't that helpful if it isn't ready for animation

[lavish quail]

If they don’t take the requests over a month no point in requests then

[crude girder]

That's not true per say

if you request something the devs can show, they will be more likely to show it

[lavish quail]

I mean if we get what we request in the channel that’s cool

[crude girder]

you are asking for something that very well might not exist, or not be in a state that can be shown

[lavish quail]

But if we don’t get it just get rid of the channel and do what you want

[crude girder]

Yall got the Cera anims that one time tbf

because they were able to be shown

[lavish quail]

Would of been nicer in phase 2 like we asked ngl

[crude girder]

but what if for example, everyone started asking for Protoceratops gameplay

Protoceratops is obviously not being put in atm, so there's nothing to show on that

[lavish quail]

If it was asked for like 2 months in a row they probably should put some effort into that

[crude girder]

And stop working on animals that are coming in sooner?

[lavish quail]

Well if they can’t do requests don’t have requests

[crude girder]

So basically, delay progress so they can have random stuff to show off for animals with no bearing on the immediate future

[lavish quail]

It’s like a option 1 or 2 thing

[crude girder]

sometimes they can do the requests, but do keep in mind it is a request

Just because something is requested doesn't obligate the other person to do it

but if they can, they might

[lavish quail]

I mean if they made something dedicated to taking requests I would take them

[barren zephyr]

Based Eryops

[crude girder]

How can they show stuff which isn't ready to be shown/doesn't exist?

[lavish quail]

By making it over a 2 month term

[crude girder]

"Oh snap people want to see Cerato and Magy animations? Shit stop working on Fractures we gotta animate those guys!"

[barren zephyr]

Artwork? Lol

[crude girder]

Meanwhile, Cera and Magy not being slated for the next several updates

[lavish quail]

Just dumb to have the channel if they can’t use it

[crude girder]

Basically only applies to Megalania

Cera and Magy already have all their concepts shown

[lavish quail]

You can never have enough magy

[barren zephyr]

1. You don't know that
2. They've said they want Beipi and Cera in, so it may come sooner than you think

[crude girder]

They also stated there are clear reasons no new playables are coming in update 5/5.5

so that leaves maybe update 6, and 6.6 already has troodon

might have more, but doubtful, but atm Troodon is the only one actually locked in for an update

the others are in the "If we have them ready and it won't mess with anything else" category

[barren zephyr]

Some people have given actual artworks to post

[outer sphinx]

we have the roadmap, we know whats to come, wheres the surprise?

[barren zephyr]

24 people liked that, no one disliked that, and now they have an example of how to show off Cera and Magy :)

[crude girder]

Why would they create an additional Magy/Cerato concept art? When they could spend that time making concepts for animals which do not yet have one?

[barren zephyr]

Because people are asking for it and they asked us to ask for stuff

[crude girder]

Like maybe Magy or Cerato could cameo in other animal concepts, but creating a new one for what isn't even the primary ability of one of the animals involved is a bit strange and sets an awkward precedent

[outer sphinx]

wait what did they say was the reason, or have the link to the comment?

[crude girder]

Like "Oh now we need a concept showing off Pteranodon clinging"

[lavish quail]

I will make more magy eating meat things if I have to

[crude girder]

The reason was in a devblog, and it was basically that nesting/skins/nightvision affects all animals, so gathering data is really important. however adding new animals screws with that data, especially much anticipated animals

Like imagine "How is nesting doing?" "Well, everyone is playing Cerato... so uh, Cerato nesting is working."

[outer sphinx]

ah, so they want to gather a lot of data in that update for whats to come

gotcha

[lavish quail]

Srly tho phase 2 requests has been used for skin concepts only don’t see why we can’t just get some of that last minute

[crude girder]

Yeah, Nesting and Night Vision require a lot of fine tuning

Well with the skin concepts, we already know what Magy and Cera look like

[lavish quail]

Any content to show they read it is enough

[outer sphinx]

ig it could be for balancing and other stuff as well, like any new bugs or recurring ones etc

[lavish quail]

Phase 2 is just vibing on its own tho which is fine I guess but requests just exists

[crude girder]

I mean it's kind of an awkward position there, because if they do not have any content that fits the requests, they either have to go out of their way, or they can maybe start working on it if they are between tasks, but then it probably won't be ready very soon

cause like, take the concept artworks, those probably go through dozens and dozens of versions for each individual sketch, and the many sketches that make up a single piece mean that a concept art piece is probably a lot more complicated than just "Draw it lmao"

Also as for the people talking about the skin system, I'm not sure what they are asking for, like UI, or do they just want to see dinosaurs in different colours?

[outer sphinx]

also the fact that most/many of them dont have one refference image to go by and a dozen or none

[crude girder]

Cause uh, that's the next update, which probably doesn't have a whole lot of progress, if anything, and stuff like custom UI for systems is usually the last thing to be put together

[outer sphinx]

the skin ones are def hilarious, like just imagine what you saw rn but in dif colours lol, idk what they expect other than that

[crude girder]

but yeah tl;dr, short of making new artwork, there's really only animation work that can be shown for Cera and Magy, neither of which are probably high enough priority atm to have anything particularly interesting to look at

and I'm not sure if people would be like "hell yeah!" to just see Cerato doing a crouch idle animation, or Magy sniffing or smth

[signal beacon]

But there is reason for mono concept

[crude girder]

Personally I still want to see a Stego or Dryo concept if they exist

[outer sphinx]

lack of content for months does have such effects

[crude girder]

Idk, I kinda foresee people going "What that's it?!?! Where are all the special attack animations?!?!? The vocals?!?!?!"

Since those flashy character animations are usually later in the animating since they need to have an idea of what exactly is going into the animal, and it seems like at least for Cerato, it isn't set in stone

[cyan flame]

Yes, that would be great!

[signal beacon]

Animation of magy getting eaten and the predator getting a stomach ache

Please tell me the whole "I taste bad thing" for magy has been changed?

[crude girder]

Wouldn't that just be Eating animations --> either Vomiting animation, or just the idle with a sound cue?

The taste bad thing isn't the primary ability, we do know that

[outer sphinx]

Phase 2 requests: Animation of x dino walk cycle

like breh

[crude girder]

Didn't kissen specify that Cerato would likely be using the legacy movement animations?

[signal beacon]

The next phase 2 is just a piece of paper.

[signal beacon]

Good. Cera's run was amazingly funny

[crude girder]

and we've already seen a Magy walk animation, and Megalania probably isn't set for animation yet

[outer sphinx]

Megalania is prob very very far away in terms of importance

like we havent even got to half of the trello roster

[crude girder]

At best it might get like a cameo in concept art/its own concept art or smth, tho personally I feel like it makes more sense to make concept art for things like Diablo which already have a model, skin, and at least some idea of character, and which are less complicated to implement

that being said, we did get concept artwork for Homalo and Minmi, so idk

[outer sphinx]

like how it happened in proto concept art

[signal beacon]

I am still confused about what the fuck minmis niche is supposed to be

[outer sphinx]

fuck all and do all

[crude girder]

Yeah, that's basically the only option for Cerato and Magy artwork as well, unless Fred includes them in an environmental thing

Minmi is probably just like, something you don't even notice is there most of the time due to being so small, and against things that do notice it, it either dips into water or into a burrow depending on what is attacking it

[outer sphinx]

ngl i doubt, cera has been shown as a semi aquatic and we've had plenty of water concepts and no cera so i doubt

[signal beacon]

Why the fuck does minmi swim?

[crude girder]

Cerato going into water to escape an Allo isn't really a confirmation that the animal is semi aquatic

it might've just been artistic license to show an interesting view

[outer sphinx]

its nostrils

[signal beacon]

[outer sphinx]

maybe, but it has been shown there, attacking a small deino in water, and talking a bath or smth in water so...

[crude girder]

TBF, I don't know if we ever see Minmi swimming instead of just standing on the bottom/ barely above the bottom

[outer sphinx]

in concept it was kinda shown doing that, never swimming more just standing/walking like hippos do today

[signal beacon]

ITS NOSTRILS POINT DOWN

[crude girder]

That was wallowing I'm like 90% sure, which every animal can do, and as for attacking the small Deino, that might've just been because Deino was new at the time

[outer sphinx]

with lilypads?

[crude girder]

Yeah, which looks dumb for an aquatic animal, that being said, hee hoo sci fi Ptera skim goes brr

[crude girder]

Oh you meant that one, tbh I never even noticed the lilypads

[outer sphinx]

running takeoff

[signal beacon]

At least ptera looks "okay" skimming

[crude girder]

As long as you ignore how that would instantly break its jaw yeah

Ptera running takeoff

[outer sphinx]

that is classified pain

also minmi looks to not be a swimmer, just can keep its breath for a fucking long time

[crude girder]

Could just be that Minmi's nostils pointing down are actually an indication that it doesn't do too well in deep water

[outer sphinx]

for me this is where it crossed the line, and seem to be that im the only one to talk about this

[crude girder]

Since it can't easily surface, it needs to actually get out of the water

[crude girder]

ever heard of a hero shrew?

[signal beacon]

Minmi the second anything notices it-

[outer sphinx]

do they burry themselves in ground with their back exposed to the open?

[crude girder]

No, they use their backs to pry apart bark iirc, but they can take the full weight of a human with no ill effects

[outer sphinx]

trying to imagine how they could pry apart bark with their back... the chads...

[crude girder]

They crawl under it and flex, repeat

[outer sphinx]

but also, looking at the rest of minmis concept abilities it seems over the top imo

[outer sphinx]

the madlads...

[crude girder]

So couple that animal existing with the idea that Ankylosaur armor makes them bullet proof (not accurate, but that's the general perception) makes the idea that a Minmi can be stepped on by larger animals and get away mostly okay (especially when it has the cushioning of mud) a little more palatable

[outer sphinx]

hm, but it still fills like they set minmi a bit to good, its got armour, venom resistance, that ability, burrying, some form of swimming

[signal beacon]

But tf is it gonna do once a cera sees it?

It ain't fuckin running

[outer sphinx]

cera just eats it like a nut

[signal beacon]

Honestly minmi would take ages to kill so you'd just hear screams for like 5 minutes as cera desperately tries to make it past its armor

[outer sphinx]

like that ability seems pointless since these are humans, its a game and also i stil lcall bs with the fact rex didnt see it

[crude girder]

I mean if Minmi is caught outside of easy access to water/its burrow/mud, then it's not having a good time

[outer sphinx]

but who knows what will get added, looking at Utahs climbing ability in the concept

[crude girder]

armor merely stalls for time to reach safety, if it cannot get to one of those before the predators works it way through the Minmi's HP, that's GG

[outer sphinx]

i mean the mud ability, seems kinda pointless (unless you are a smaller carni), unless it can also cover itself with mud somehow...

[signal beacon]

I wanna pin a minmi as a cera and just bludgeon it against rocks

[crude girder]

I mean that Minmi might be able to like, break line of sight and burrow under a bush or smth and basically disappear

That only really works in dense foliage tho

[outer sphinx]

hmm, maybe

but that ability seems more usefull towards stuff like utah, dilo or smaller so it could be a more situational type deal

[distant dagger]

did they delete footprints in q and a?

[stray holly]

@untold marlin dawg this game been out since 2015

Had to restart it in 2019

Was looking good for awhile

Then completely shat the bed in one update

[barren zephyr]

This QA branch really showed how bad shit is getting

Even prior to that

[stray holly]

Like bruh it feels like they don’t care anymore.

Fixed this and that bug only for 7 other things to break in the process

[stray holly]

I understand that we’re the bug testers but damn how bad can you be at this

[barren zephyr]

Pounce has been broken for over 3 months

What the fuck lmfao

[stray holly]

Like it really is a shame man

Me and my group used to play everyday and had the best time

Now we’ve moved on to other games to play together.

But it’ll never be the same as it was with this

[plush rampart]

Yeah mine too

[untold marlin]

ikr

[lament pecan]

Im afraid they're not recovering from this crisis

[barren zephyr]

jace on his way to make a small portion of the map pretty and call it progress

https://i.gifer.com/LCEk.gif

[lament pecan]

nah

[untold marlin]

this is the only thing im playing the qa for

[lament pecan]

It's us, 5 rebels bringing truth

[barren zephyr]

its the warriors of islecord

[lament pecan]

LOL

5 MUSKETEERS

If they ban any of us, they give up basically

[barren zephyr]

me kav and aculusi have made more people join the isle fortnite cult than this game has fixed bugs in the past weeks

[lament pecan]

[tender geode]

https://tenor.com/view/islandboi-islandboy-gif-23570827

[signal beacon]

What in gods name is happening here?

[untold marlin]

brekfst

[limber hull]

why are people posting bugs in the phase two requests lmao

and why are people getting mad when they're deleted

[hearty mist]

“Hey look we worked on the pounce bug and fixed it. Here’s a clip of the pounce after debugging” would make a great phase two.
Not everybody wants info on maggy, para, maia or whatever other dino coming next year or the year after.

[raven lark]

join na2 way less laggy than other servers!

[paper oriole]

Dam the isle getting shidded on in feedback today

[real bison]

just a island boiii

why isle so silent

[barren zephyr]

as they should

[vestal rune]

no it fucking wouldn't lmao

imagine people waiting for new content every week in phase 2 and instead they just get a video of a bug being fixed

[hearty mist]

Your opinion.

[vestal rune]

dude a bug fix is literally worthless until it gets actually added to the game

people want actual new content they want to show off in phase 2, not bug fixes, that should be obvious

[hearty mist]

Your opinion

[vestal rune]

bug fixes being worthless unless it's actually implemented isn't an opinion lol it's just how it is

[paper oriole]

would honestly just be nice if they posted progress ad updates more often instead of ignoring feedback for a week+ and then posting a picture in phase 2 and parroting the same "squashing bugs" as they do every time

would be nice to get videos of bug fixes, would be nice to get more progress info on upcoming assets. shouldnt be a choice between the two, they dont post enough

[gritty helm]

true

[copper wolf]

On baby

[paper oriole]

Titanboa opposing deinosuchus

[worn pumice]

yes

the isle

[limber hull]

I would rather see interesting concepts, ideas and things to come, rather than “lol, we fixed a bug”

Imagine how pathetic it’d look to boast about fixing a fucking bug. I’d much rather see the new content to come than them boast that they got current content in an actual playable state

[cyan flame]

I'd not say it's boasting to show that something that a lot of people care about is fixed. And considering current state of live branch and QA branch, it would probably not go amiss to know that things are getting better. And new content is nice, if it's actually relevant and going to happen anytime soon (properly soon that is), but otherwise it's more hype than worth.

[paper oriole]

If we didn’t only have one crumb of a post to look forward to each week then what would be the issue of showing us that some big issues are being fixed

[worn pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-kaperoo-carnotaurus-gif-23590722

[last lily]

...Anyone know how god damn long nights take on QA?? -Because I'm very inclined to put some feedback on how god damn bullshit long they are/feel.

[signal beacon]

🎷 🐛

[worn pumice]

very inspirational and motivating

[manic flint]

Good Devblog
A lot of work done on beipi sounds it seems
And Troodon and Cerato are chugging away
That is very good

[urban flax]

People are gonna whine about it though

[honest sparrow]

it's not filled with much "working hard full steam ahead" filler, which was my main issue with a lot of the past dev blogs

[manic flint]

It had good info and stuff in it

[limber hull]

@clever urchin im going to point out that again, fracture is not at all chance based

[clever urchin]

Then it should be a guaranteed thing, I honestly don't really mind what they do, but the fact that Utah is utterly useless ingame and they are doing nothing to fix it is making me want to rip my hair off

[limber hull]

it shouldn't be guaranteed, it's a damage based system

more fracture damage = closer to fracture

charged ram > tap ram

so using a charged ram does more fracture damage and thus fractures more things

[clever urchin]

Ah

... Now I see why they have a problem with balancing it.

[limber hull]

There is zero chance based stuff in the system

[clever urchin]

Still, there's more stuff that should be looked at. Like I said the Utah is utterly useless, then there's game optimization etc etc

Its nice that they are keeping the chance based stuff out/to a minimum, but with Pachy maybe just decrease the damage? I dont know, I'm not entirely sure because now I'm questioning the fracture system

[limber hull]

damage was decreased for pachy a few patches ago

i really dont think the thing needs to be that much weaker

[clever urchin]

This is the current problem that I have with fractures right now that you mentioned how it works, how do you balance that?

[limber hull]

well you make the damage line up with what's good to fracture a certain thing

for example, if you want carno to have its leg fractured, you should check the fracture health of the leg vs the fracture dmg of the pachy's attacks to see what would be a decent engagement

[urban flax]

Just like I said

[limber hull]

that was fast

[sand lantern]

I used to look at #general-feedback and see so many amazing ideas. But now all I see is complaints about the devs being lazy and not caring about the discord. So many epic unread ideas just washed away by all this anger. This sucks

[limber hull]

true as

i prefer suggestions and concepts to "i dislike the developers, time for my long rant about everything I don't like"

[sand lantern]

fax

[lavish quail]

Then they go on to ask the artists and modellers to fix bugs

Like fr

[limber hull]

"stop making these stupid human buildings and fix your game" is a statement I hear so much and never fails to be the dumbest shit ever

[lavish quail]

Ikr

5 times a day

They kinda just shit talk the game devs who they probably have dedicated more than 300 hours to

[limber hull]

legacy players refuse to let go of their shitty mess
EVRIMA players can't see what they have as anything more as a shitty mess

no real winning

[clever urchin]

Usually when I do my feedback I don't just shit talk the devs, but how long has this update been in the QA phase? In this case I talked A LOT of shit, because I want something new. I gave my negative feedback and included positive feedback

But I do agree with you, people that just say "fix your game" that's not exactly feedback

[outer sphinx]

thats a reason why i barely try to think of smth good to post there since ik it will just get flooded by shit like that

[clever urchin]

Its a shame really, the community knows what it wants but people that had good ideas just stopped posting about it

[outer sphinx]

well u4 has ben in qa fro 4-5 months i think, during that they have been working on pachy too so they added it aswell so now they had a lot more for QA to worry about

[outer sphinx]

like i made i think 2 post there that looked to be well liked but god damn how long it takes to scroll for smth 2 days ago or even 2 weeks ago

[clever urchin]

Thats fair, but remember when the devs said that updates will come quicker? How they have the resourses to improve the game faster? I feel like I have been tricked, or worse, bamboozled

[outer sphinx]

We have been tricked and quite possibly bamboozled!

[lavish quail]

I just want update at this point

[clever urchin]

I feel you on that one... I had 1 post that was also liked by a fair amount but it took ages to scroll to it... I feel like thats why the devs miss 95% of the things we suggest

[lavish quail]

Learned nothing new ngl

[clever urchin]

SAME

When Kisser showed us the video I was like:

"Finally, some good f-ing info."

[lavish quail]

Hey at least I got this gem from punch yesterday

[outer sphinx]

i mean im always excited by freds part when he showcases environement concept since who knows, Jace might try to implement them in the background etc

[lavish quail]

Also UP4 will have a trailer

So that’s nice I guess

[clever urchin]

The art team always does a good job

Not once was like "Wtf is this?"

[outer sphinx]

Ngl im expecting the update to come next week or in 2 weeks

[outer sphinx]

well i kinda was for acro lol

[lavish quail]

I’m expecting it to come with humans and a water source near docks

[clever urchin]

I'm expecting it next year by this point -_-

[lavish quail]

That puddle doesn’t count if we get fatal errors from it

[outer sphinx]

ye at this point humans will just be in u4 and some map changes

[clever urchin]

Yeah that was weird, I did like the skin though, but why Acro? Why not Ptera or Deino?

[outer sphinx]

but one thing also, good to know the Animation team did smth that will allow them to work much faster

[outer sphinx]

also i meant the acro design reveal, like the fat boi

[lavish quail]

I think this is the most quoted phrase I can find “These dev blogs are pretty useless and full of false hope”

[outer sphinx]

no its "Soon"

[clever urchin]

Ohhh, I liked it, Its better than the JWE Acro

[outer sphinx]

But compared to the old acro design...

[clever urchin]

I liked the old Acro

Better than this one for sure

[outer sphinx]

i liked that one way more

this is just a great model

but they've shown with austro that these are subjective to change so who knows

[clever urchin]

Hopefully Utahs get feathers

I just want something new for old dinos

[outer sphinx]

i think they confirmed many dinos will get alternative models for you to choose (like feathers or no feathers) utah being the ex

[clever urchin]

Yeah, I saw that too, I wonder when though

Possibly after most updates are done

[outer sphinx]

prob will be around the roadmap times so unless its a surprise addition to one of the upcomming updates (u5 to u6) might be smth like the next few

it would make sense to come with the skin update but idk

[clever urchin]

We will have to wait and see

Although, I know I bitched a lot for the dev blog, but its not the worst thing

I just think it lacks content that we ask and it made me mad

[outer sphinx]

Personally i quite liked this one

[clever urchin]

What made me go off is the humans part... There are more important things to worry about, like TS mentioned Lag and Latency, game optimization is important and I think it should be prioritized

[limber hull]

i still want humans personally lmao

when people ask "who asked for humans?"

me. I asked.

[lavish quail]

Sammmme

I originally bought the game cause of the horror tag

[limber hull]

i dont care if all they do is run, scream and hide

i want to run, scream and hide

[lavish quail]

I want a first person and a hypsi spit wipe animation

That’s basically all from me lul

[limber hull]

people also sleeping on the fact a human is literally a new playable

[lavish quail]

Humans are just smol Dryos ngl

But first person and with a lot more potential

[limber hull]

humans will somehow manage to be more fun than dryos despite being slower, weaker and squishier, simply cause of FPS

[lavish quail]

Btw when is your bet on “dev blog bad me no want humans” post in feedback

[limber hull]

im going to go to sleep, wake up for work next morning, and there'll be at least three

hell, i might be lucky to see one before I go to bed

[lavish quail]

Dude you have too high a hopes

8 minimum

[limber hull]

i wanna see these fucking rants over humans

[outer sphinx]

well what do you want the 3d artist to do? the they have made the map assets, and anything jace might need

[outer sphinx]

i bought it for the survival dinos aspect (and what else i saw in beavers videos) and when i found out like a year ago it was gonna be more horror/ thrilling i was more excited

[clever urchin]

You got a fair point

[vivid needle]

@stray holly I'm sorry to come up late about your last post (but it got me thinking a lot honestly).
Figures and graphs with no analysis or comment means nothing and everything. You could at least try to explain why they vary like this.
I bet the lack of content and updates are among the variables but there are also new games coming (lately BattleField and Forza for example) maybe there is seasonality too, etc. i don't know.
Still figures are here and it's a good thing that people see it (maybe devs don't know about them either which I doubt). But just putting it like this and leave it let people 100% free of interpretation which is close to misinformation. And misinformation leads to many other non-desirable things

[odd token]

lmao people start tagging admins now when the servers are down ?

[lavish quail]

Wut

Only amar0k and Filipe can restart servers @tender geode @untold marlin

[outer sphinx]

Has a familiar ring to it doesnt it

[lavish quail]

=/

[untold marlin]

quality takes time boys

[calm granite]

L

[tender geode]

are they gonna restart EU3 today?

[untold marlin]

Big L

[peak wedge]

@fossil canopy thats not rlly feedback lol

[fossil canopy]

it’s good feedback lol

[paper oriole]

Oh god RP profiles

[urban flax]

In mostly any game I would have been in favor of that...
But not in this one

[paper oriole]

“My name is Blackfang the utahraptor UWU i am a bit of a mutant OWO i am part wolf and I am also the alpha of the bloodshadow clan. My favorite hobby is killing t rexes OWO. Looking for a mate :3”

[manic sun]

Pathetic lifeform detected. Mission torture and eliminate target

[paper oriole]

Imagine all the warriorcats rper profiles trying to out-edge eachother

[manic sun]

Heavy appearance of "8-grade-syndrom-type:edgyness" being detected

[paper oriole]

“I'm the alpha” “No I’M the alpha!”
both scrambling to add the most disgusting rp backstory feats to their profiles

[manic sun]

The cringiest was always when they fought over their waifus

Like why, I'm ashamed by my own species

[paper oriole]

“I will fight for you my love uwu :3”

[outer sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/poof-bye-gotta-go-im-out-disappear-gif-10985337

[manic sun]

I can understand if it's like a couple or smth. But most of the utah players are just edgelords or idk roleplayers

Anyways, we should stay on topic

[outer sphinx]

god im happy the servers i played evrima on i never found these type of people...

[paper oriole]

Ive run in to like one

They tried to group with my juvie utah i was like fck no

[manic sun]

So many uwutahs ! ○w○

[paper oriole]

Booked it so fast

[outer sphinx]

f in the chat for your sainity

[paper oriole]

They were calling me babu and asking to adopt me

[outer sphinx]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/758104734425939998/902588409619558500/726320006685655110-1.gif

[manic sun]

I'd have begged them to kill me

[outer sphinx]

as a human im always gonna save one bullet

[paper oriole]

I later fell off a cliff as that utah so i guess i eventually got my merciful death

[manic sun]

lmao

I personally think though that any apex players with anime couple pfps are worse. Cuz they're usually the same like the utah hellbreed

[calm granite]

lmao

when a utah asks me to pet them i usually just kill them to end others suffering

[honest sparrow]

Me reading that bio suggestion

https://tenor.com/view/ratatouille-ratatouille-chef-ratatouille-reading-shocked-gif-23517636

[crude girder]

That doc is private

[haughty pendant]

oops sorry, ive never shared a doc before let me fix that lmao

[haughty pendant]

should be fixed now i think !

[crude girder]

yep, it's working

[haughty pendant]

ah ok good, ty for lettin me know !

[crude girder]

no worries

[paper oriole]

galli babies should have fluff, and gallis should still have fluff when they are older

[fossil canopy]

🧢

[violet magnet]

@opaque warren tbh i had just forgotten this was Dondi's game until you brought it up again

wonder how much of these new ideas are actually his ideas for his game

[opaque warren]

I also forgot for a while, that's why I thought it was worth mentioning tbf

[clever urchin]

@violet magnet I think a good way of unlocking skins would be total kills with species. For an example if you want to unlock a color you'd have to kill 50 Herbivores, for patterns 50 Carnivores, the only problem with my suggestion is that getting herbivores will be hard since it will take ages because nobody plays herbis

[urban flax]

Grindy and non gameplay-rewarding but instead based on the random chance of you finding what you need to kill, also encourages mass killing
Seems perfect

[paper oriole]

Sounds like this just encourages sport killing and deathmatch style gameplay which detracts from the survival horror goal that the game is aiming for

[urban flax]

If we're talking objectives to unlock skins, I'm more thinking of something simple and applicable to every animal ex : reach 100% growth, attain a perfect diet, reach Elder stage, have babies, become Alpha of a group...

[paper oriole]

If special patterns and colours can be unlocked, it should be through natural accomplishments and good behaviour. Maybe nesting can spawn in special patterns, and reaching 100% with that pattern permanently unlocks it in customization. Reaching elder stage, having a certain number of offspring survive to adulthood, stuff that doesn’t encourage you to run around acting like an obnoxious overcompensating 13yr old in CoD attacking everything in sight

Also basic colours shouldnt be locked off. Would be lame to have to unlock a shade of brown or burnt orange pattern detail

[limber hull]

i'd prefer a "here is the skin you get for reaching and dying of old age as elder, good job really committing to this animal, as someone who clearly enjoys this animal enough to try to get it to complete a full lifecycle, a reward skin"

rather than "good job killing things"

[paper oriole]

Yeah survival should be rewarded, reproducing should be rewarded, staying at peak health should be rewarded

Not “good job mr. trike you impaled 69 rexes here if your crimson detail color reward”

[limber hull]

really hammer it home this isn't a PvP game, it's a survival game with heavy PvP elements

because holy shit people treat this game as dino smash bros lmao

[urban flax]

And humans
Don't forget humans
Although apparently "nobody asked for them"

[paper oriole]

While there isnt much to do at the moment but fight, that isnt the end goal of the game

A lot of people seem to think its supposed to stay a deathmatch

[limber hull]

actually, the PvP deathmatch ideals might play a lot into human hatred

humans are being added without combat? why?

[lucid mauve]

This game is focused on accuracy and skill based play since PvP is a huge part of the game. Para said that awhile back

[limber hull]

accuracy? no. skill-based play? somewhat. but it isn't a combat deathmatch

[paper oriole]

PvP is a focus but PvP=/= deathmatch

If this was supposed to be deathmatch we wouldn’t have several hour growth timers

[urban flax]

I honestly want a deathmatch gamemode with no growth, kill count etc... To play Primal Carnage 2

[paper oriole]

Deathmatch would be sandbox

[limber hull]

a big issue I have is that they failed to really add any cool unique features for our non-combatant reps (dryo and hypsi) so people immediately went to combat. Also, people want ptera to be a better fighter, despite it literally being a non-lethal scavenger in design

[paper oriole]

Which hopefully returns sooner than later

[limber hull]

i cant play primal carnage because my computer rejects it so it'd be fun to fuck around in sandbox

[paper oriole]

Sandbox with global chat. No global in survival, of course, but it would be a nice addition to return alongside sandboxes

[urban flax]

Dryo will be getting burrowing and Hypsi will climb, so they're gonna be good at some point
And ptera is fine as a non-combattant

[paper oriole]

Then people can do events and train and deathmatch

[lucid mauve]

This game is a pvp/deathmatch playstyle. The only reason people are not going crazy is cus you simply cant kill everything and you might die. The split second someone know they can kill you, you will most likely end up in a pvp situation.

[limber hull]

i know, but people apparently really want ptera to be a flying death machine for juvis (even tho that's quetz' job)

[limber hull]

it isn't, and that mindset is a very poor one going forward

[urban flax]

It might be currently but it's not intended. Survival is incompatible with deathmatch.

[lucid mauve]

The devs said that pvp is a huge part of the game, dont blame me

[limber hull]

i really hope they stick to their plans and make rex a nightmare to grow, along with all apexes, because deino is so easy to grow it makes me sad

[limber hull]

that doesn't make it deathmatch

[paper oriole]

Idk why people want the most mobile and untouchable animal in the game to be an active predator as well, coming from a ptera main

That would be ridiculous lol

[limber hull]

exactly

[signal beacon]

Dryo just jumps and annihilates the ptera

[paper oriole]

Stealing eggs and smaller hatchlings? Definitely, but combat? Combat for ptera should mostly be limited to being a nuisance animal

[urban flax]

Or in-species fighting

[signal beacon]

Bob ptera

[lucid mauve]

You cant control what people do, if you can go around killing. People will do it, does not matter what i or you think is good/bad

[paper oriole]

You cant control what people do but you can discourage and punish reckless behaviour

[urban flax]

Still doesn't make it a deathmatch game
PC is a deathmatch game, The Isle, PoT and BoB aren't

[lucid mauve]

yes, you can thats why we have communty servers. But on no rules, you have no control over it.

[urban flax]

Notice the differences and similarities between these games

[signal beacon]

The isle is a mess.

Bob is just vr chat with dinos

And pot is... pot

[paper oriole]

I am not talking about rules

[urban flax]

My point was they're all survival games

[signal beacon]

Wait what's the argument here?

[lucid mauve]

Well how do you fix it then ? If people can do it, people will do it.

[urban flax]

Ronninjo saying The Isle is deathmatch

[lucid mauve]

Im not, im saying its heavly pvp game. And people will run around killing all day if they can. I dont like it, i hate it. But people will do if they can

[signal beacon]

The isle (osias) atm is deathmatch but the game isn't intended to be so

[paper oriole]

The lengthy growth times, encouraging people to stick to diets rather than wasting a bunch of time KFSing and suffering bad diet debuffs, lengthy heal times from repetitive severe injury making you vulnerable as you heal, shit like that

Not sure if that pesky heal cap is still in but that is a measure that was tried

[urban flax]

We're not talking how people behave, we're talking game design. A deathmatch game is a game that is made to have people kill their enemies at first sight, reward them for doing so and don't punish them too much for dying
This is not the case in The Isle

[lucid mauve]

Well yea, that is good points actually

[urban flax]

Otherwise how would you explain growth times, and the existence of dryo, ptera and hypsi ?

[paper oriole]

Deathmatches typically have faster recovery and fast preparation, fast based gameplay in general

[limber hull]

ptera stealing eggs is a must, i really hope its a diet option

[paper oriole]

Survival is like “do i wanna risk losing my multi hour progress just to start shit with that allo over there”

There is investment

Weighing what is worth it, what benefits you

You aint gonna get points for beating up a pachy for fun but you might make yourself vulnerable and an easy target for somebody else

[limber hull]

people PvP all the time because there is no attachment

they just AFK grow the damn thing and its golden

[clever urchin]

Yeah thats a good point, now that I think about it my idea was awful LMAO

[violet magnet]

would prefer it if the game itself didn't encourage players to run around just murdering everything that moves
the idea of rewarding growth stages and diets (i.e., rewarding you for things that you're supposed to be doing in the game anyway) sounds better imo. Maybe you get extra points for making it to all the places where coconuts grow or travelling to all the human bases as an exploration incentive

[clever urchin]

Yep, when someone (forgot who and currently at work so I dont have much time to scroll) gave their example (might even be you idfk xD) I was like "that idea is MILES better than mine"

It was Miragaia and Bubulbu

Just scrolled up

[lavish quail]

@barren zephyr how is Roblox isle and what’s it called so I can make fun of it

[clever urchin]

WHEEZE

[lavish quail]

Making fun of an isle game that looks identical to that screen

I’m aware

Tis the joke but only intellectually honest people would know

[outer sphinx]

rewarding wanted behaviour has the same effect as punishement without the negatives of player mindset when you get punished

[limber hull]

punishment is usually worse for player engagement imho

[outer sphinx]

well thats what i said

[limber hull]

but if its all rewards, then the rewards are less satisfying

[lavish quail]

@tiny salmon (get pinged and discussed)

Footprints aren’t a direct path rn

Not like they can chase you directly through foliage at high speeds

(You just got pinged and discussed)

[tiny salmon]

I said dont ping me nor do I want to discuss. Thanks so frigging rude. Honestly so disrespectful.

[lavish quail]

Very disrespectful I would never do that

I’m a war criminal

[signal beacon]

How could you?
I sentence you to 2 years at docks.

[lavish quail]

NOOOO

Anything but that!

[tepid gate]

People PvP because that's literally the only interesting thing about this game. If this game had no PvP I'd have uninstalled it ages ago. Literally every other aspect of it is an absolute chore.

And as time progresses more and more of it becomes a dull, repetitive experience that requires me to do stuff which is about as interesting as watching paint dry.

And if you think people won't PvP because of the attachment to their animal or some stuff like that - think again. This game already requires you to spend an absurd amount of time before your animal is capable of doing any kind of PvP and it's not stopping anyone from killing other players. Why? Because it's fun, it's literally the single fun thing about this game(aside from being a birdbath simulator which I suppose is fun to some people who really want to turn this game into just that).

[barren zephyr]

Aken spitting

When combat was watered down, several of my connected servers stopped playing

Diets are flat and boring, and any other additions/changes have been mediocre at best when it came to implementation

What other attachment is there to be had other than escaping or fighting?

[grizzled vector]

None none at all

[barren zephyr]

Exactly

Growth is only a queue until the game begins
Diets having near identical growth times prior for doubling down on the fetch quests was laughable, I'm sorry

[grizzled vector]

Don’t apologize

[barren zephyr]

Fractures was yet another addition to the combat

[outer sphinx]

growth would be much better if juvies werent just useless

[barren zephyr]

Nesting will only support grouping, to do what exactly? To increase your own personal chances of escaping or fighting encounters

People arguing that it's a survival game, and that the game should cater to that rather than the combat
Well what are people exactly surviving from? Other players, so again, it comes down to those combative encounters

[grizzled vector]

I just don’t feel like diets were needed at all and expanding the roster was more important.

[barren zephyr]

Starvation is hardly an issue, as well as dehydration
Resources are plentiful, even with diets stopgapping players

[outer sphinx]

i mean most of survival games are from other players and some AI, and you rarely see people call them pvp/deathmatch games

[grizzled vector]

In update 2 I actually starved

[echo tiger]

Ye I liked update 2s approach to hunger

Kinda invalidated the need for the diets system

[outer sphinx]

diets straight up just need to be a reward not a punishment to not be shit

[grizzled vector]

I shouldn’t create a Dino and instantly start to get a damage debuff

[barren zephyr]

They should focus down on juvie's mechanics, sooner rather than later
We need to have our time more respected, growth still sucks.
Combat from other player's is literally the reason it's mainly a survival game. People should realize this.
Diets need a massive overhaul, in some cases they did more harm then good

[echo tiger]

Diets just needs to be gone and make the growth times universally faster

[outer sphinx]

apexes shouldnt be 2h away from someone to get

[echo tiger]

They shouldn’t, but nobody should be chasing timers either

Which is all what diets is

[outer sphinx]

diest need to be oh i want to do that instead of what we have now oh i have to do that

[echo tiger]

I mean for fucks sake if I wanted to chase timers I’d fucking play a mobile game or a tycoon game

[outer sphinx]

:P

[echo tiger]

It doesn’t matter though, they have to incentivise it’s importance and the benefits can’t be too strong since you’d have herbivores growing so much faster than carnivores given the gameplay loop is intrinsically in their favour

[barren zephyr]

The baseline for not chasing diets should be the normal gameplay loop

[grizzled vector]

Maybe remove the nutrients and make so as a herbie eats enough of a different vegetation they get different buffs

[barren zephyr]

Diets should only ever be rewards, thus competition for them

"Getting people moving" is a pretty low bar to set for growth

[grizzled vector]

So the plants that give herbies better buffs will be more rare and more valuable

[outer sphinx]

for a game that is centric around systems and mechanics you never want to make the player need to interact with the systems but want to do so, going into the punishment reward philosophy

[echo tiger]

But then you’d just promote AFK growing and defeat the purpose of the system in the first place right?

There has to be detriments

[barren zephyr]

Depends

[echo tiger]

It depends on player spacing for sure and the map

[outer sphinx]

afk growing can be negated by making juvies fun to play not just smaller useless version of sub/adults

[echo tiger]

I agree with that

But as it stands, they’re not changing this

[barren zephyr]

Detriments could be a disadvantage, or lack of optimal play
Not seeking up upgrades shouldn't doom you

But place you in not the most favour

The sentiment that diets were gonna be upgrades to the game was the general idea people thought the game would be

[outer sphinx]

so making juvies fun would negate afk, making diets want players to interact with it rather thna needing to would fix its inhenernt problem, what else wasnt that good rn with the systems and mechanics?

[barren zephyr]

But in implementation they became leashes to the game, they leashed players rather than adding depth

This is evident that the growth times for perfect diets are similar to the previous growth times, the buffs aren't as impactful, and the improvements are limited and not as interactive, neither is the exploration for them

Diets bring more punishments rather than rewards

[echo tiger]

I think this would improve diets as a whole

• make juvis strong
• spread out foliage sensibly and not make it piss easy to grow (particularly with tenonto)
• give carnivores 3 nutrients from 1 body OR increase nutritional uptake dependent on the size of the creature or gore

[barren zephyr]

And with it being so basic, or flat in design, it becomes harmful to the game

[echo tiger]

Preferred diets are just that, preferred, they shouldn’t be mandatory

[outer sphinx]

imo to make it both rewarding to those that dedicate time to the system but also leniant to those that dont much is:
-perfect diet is faster than the base growth before diets, so stego would be 3.5-4h instead of 5, good diet is a bit slower than base growth (at most 30 min more), normal diet is longer thna base (1h longer) and bad diet should be somewhat punnishing as that is pretty hard to do by mistake etc (2h+ longer)
_when you spawn you already get a random nutrinet at half and another at 1 third full and last empty, this would go into nesting where the adults can know what to foccus on to hunt, ontop of making juvies fun to play ofc (like eahc dino juvi can be one of the 3, better swimmer, climber or burrower thna the adult, or just straight up faster thna an adult, like for rex)

and just eating smth thats not on your diet doesnt impact your nutrients in bad or good way, exception with canibalism

should i add this to a longer/ wall of text in general feedback?

[echo tiger]

I mean it won’t get listened to

But you can try if you want

[outer sphinx]

well people are lazy and dont wnat to read and it will get flooded but more bs, but seems like all my posts are like this :P

hidden in the sea that is general feedback

but in general what do you think of that diet idea?

[barren zephyr]

Bad diets shouldn't even lengthen growth times

[outer sphinx]

then we have rexes that dont even try and grow afk in a bush in 6-7h...

but also im fine if bad is more punishing as its quite hard to end up on it if you atually try, plus my idea for it is much better thna like the 20h it takes stego/deino withj bad diet, as mine would be 7h on bad for those 2

[cyan flame]

I think it'd be fine if "bad diet" is extremely punishing, since it means you did not care to even find one nutrient. Aside from that, I agree that one and two nutris need a bit of a better reward, currently it does feel like it's all three or nothing.

[tepid gate]

Just going to point out that while this is true most other survival games are about humans surviving in some specific circumstances. In this one we're talking about dinosaur "survival"

There's a more complex progression path in those and when you overcome one challenge then you typically find something else to do

Meanwhile in The Isle your enemy is literally just time. You need to just not die long enough which makes for an extremely dull and awful gameplay loop

I'm going to say it openly - survival is just a bad gamemode and I think progression could've offered a much better experience. Growth is just bad, especially for certain specific creatures I don't think they will ever be actually fun to play as.

[outer sphinx]

the main dif here is that the things we need to survive ascarnis anyway is not found on the mapo randomly but is the players, so there needsto be a balance between the survival and combat aspect that carnis need for their survival, bc it rn feels more like killink for the sake of it not much for actually surviving

[tepid gate]

Right now killing is done completely for sport

last time I've played Carno I haven't killed a single player for food

I've killed everyone just for fun

[outer sphinx]

do you think bad diet should be more thna just +2h?

[tepid gate]

All the food requirements were fulfilled via boring and dull gameplay of walking around the map and killing AI

[outer sphinx]

i mean if you dont like the survival idea thats what sandbox/deathmatch is for

[tepid gate]

No, I like survival when it's actually interesting

[cyan flame]

If we mean no nutrients at all, then yes, I think that is fine to be very harsh since you kind of have to completely afk and not care at all. Otherwise you can find one nutri as both carni and herbi, even with current diets.

[tepid gate]

in the game right now you increase your survival chances by not interacting with other players

and either killing AI or just keeping yourself away from everyone and munching on plants while hidden

Update 2 survival was fun

you had to hunt and be careful at every step, any mistake could mean you were going to starve

you had to hunt other players and you had to be careful about picking your fights

[outer sphinx]

hmm the when im gonna post the idea i will say bad is like current stage just a bit better by a couple hours, but what do you think about the perfect good and neutral times i gave?

[outer sphinx]

im guessing you aswell arent a fan of dino AI/playable AI

[tepid gate]

Naturally

I think it will never be good enough to replace other players

and it will either be annoying to deal with(as Carno was to some people) or just fodder that you have to find and pick up

[outer sphinx]

uhh i made a comment about this, gonna try to find it

[tepid gate]

Although tbh I think that the fact that the community had this much issues with AI Carno speaks more about how bad people playing this game actually are than about anything else

I literally never died to Carno AI and I've played the QA quite a lot at the time when it was in

[cyan flame]

I don't know all the current times, but I'd say, 4 hours for perfect diet, 5 for great, 6 for base diet, and then maybe double that, so 12, for trash diet. This for stego/deino then (though deino has its own issues to be fair). If you want to make diets just a reward and nothing else that is. But you'd follow a similar formula for the other critters, with old base time being the "great" diet as a middle ground.

[tepid gate]

I think that would be decent for the current iteration of diets

[outer sphinx]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/423939730544132096/915207003159273502 found it

[tepid gate]

I do think that the current design of diets is atrocious though

[outer sphinx]

oh def

[tepid gate]

I mean... I agree with that and most people that aren't outright delusional will agree with that too

[outer sphinx]

i think Pesky put it the best: Its a fun meter

[outer sphinx]

made a similar comment on Halucinations and how they need to have audio ques as well since they are shit otherwise

[tepid gate]

I don't even want to think about hallucinations and how that's going to be implemented

I'm genuinely terrified about what perks will do to this game too

[outer sphinx]

imo for it the visual aspect should sell the halucination while audio makes it effective

[cyan flame]

Obviously. You need to make them convincing, that's the point of them, so you get an opening to use.

[outer sphinx]

well we dont know how they will work so we have some hope but not much... with how diets have been

[outer sphinx]

imagine they launch and are just images floating so Dilo is fucking useless

[tepid gate]

I was really wary of perks prior to diets being released in this state because I believed that they would be capable of breaking the game and balance really hard

then diets came about and did it before perks were even being worked on

[worn pumice]

[outer sphinx]

Would love to see Eyes reaction to that

[tepid gate]

"we will be introducing combinations of diet elements that can result in substantial changes to movespeed, stamina, regen, damage etc depending on what exactly you are eating"

This statement from the devblog makes me outright dread the future of this game.

[worn pumice]

he is gone
he has evaporated

I really hope perks arent what I think they're gonna be

[tepid gate]

I was vehemently against the idea of females and males of the same species having different stats because balancing out a survival roster of 56 creatures will already be hard enough(the balance has been consistently garbage with just 2-9 animals on the roster and we're supposed to be getting many times more than that) and the devs want to introduce a number of factors that will allow people to tinker with the stats via their gameplay.

[worn pumice]

anything changing base stats like hp dmg and speed are very finicky and can go very wrong very quickly

[outer sphinx]

well we dont know if they affect stats, new mechanics etc

[tepid gate]

If they want to get rid off the meta then they should know that they're on their way to do the exact opposite

[tepid gate]

we do - again:
"we will be introducing combinations of diet elements that can result in substantial changes to movespeed, stamina, regen, damage etc depending on what exactly you are eating"

[outer sphinx]

was that for perks of diets?

[tepid gate]

"substantial changes to movespeed, stamina, regen, damage"

That's for diets

[outer sphinx]

well ye i was talking about perks there

[tepid gate]

I was dreading the idea that perks might do exactly this

but the devs decided to go one step further and make diets do that before perks are even in the works

[outer sphinx]

As players progress to their various growth milestones they'll have the option to select between a variety of perks, designed to support a varied playstyle. This mechanic sets the foundations for further Perk functionality with upcoming Diet & Elder systems.

from this looks more like perks will be gameplay changes that enhance nieches, specialization, and maybe increase survivability

also looks like persk will be unlocked the more you play everytime so you cant spawn as a fully perked dino

[silver zephyr]

Stat changes apply to those things as well

[barren zephyr]

That sounds really awful

[tepid gate]

Just to clarify - I was worried about anything allowing people to tinker with the base stats of dinosaurs. What I'm saying is that I was afraid that perks would do that but the devs ended up throwing that into diets for some goddamn reason.

Absolutely atrocious idea all around

[barren zephyr]

People time sinking, and hiding will just be superior than baseline creatures

[tepid gate]

This game has never been balanced properly without allowing players to do this kind of stuff

[outer sphinx]

i mean would a perk like fast swimmer be categorized into that lot?

[tepid gate]

Yea

[barren zephyr]

If anything, people should interact more with the systems and players to achieve it

[tepid gate]

Swimming faster could have a really big effect on certain animals

[silver zephyr]

Imagine super speed deinos in the water

[barren zephyr]

The ideas are fundamentally flawed

[tepid gate]

^

[barren zephyr]

From the baseline structure

[tepid gate]

The diets were already done in such a dull, unimaginative way which lacks any creativity that it makes me afraid of what's to come.

[cyan flame]

If only the devs could be clear with their vision and what they want to achieve, we wouldn't have to try and figure out what their plan is and worry about how it's going to end up.

[outer sphinx]

yep :/

[worn pumice]

its funny how diets were supposed to encourage active gameplay yet people can easily afk once they know where their plants are

[outer sphinx]

god i hate that, i really hoped that diet plants would be dynamic and spawn randomly or at least in specific biomes randomly

[signal beacon]

They do spawn in specific biomes.
Centre.
Centre.
Centre.
And center.

[outer sphinx]

i said randomly in specific biomes

[lavish quail]

Lul #phase-three-requests

[outer sphinx]

so one jungle can have more of one compared to another, this would also enforce migration and risk doing so since there is no here is where all the coconuts are hf :)

[lavish quail]

Where magy cera

Also how big is megalania?

[tepid gate]

Questionable. Nova has it at 1t on his chart but that is a very tenuous estimate. It was most likely quite a bit smaller than that. Iirc 300-400kg I think?

[worn pumice]

" Megalania has recently come to my attention as unreliable for the larger scaling I have listed. Although I have no thoughts of changing it at the moment, I may do so in the future. The original basis was done via scaling the fragmentary vertebra of QM F6562 with the idea that its own proportions would match that of a Komodo Dragon, however this is unreliable, and thus I admit fault. "

[tulip shard]

eyo i think phase two requests died

[lavish quail]

No it’s just magy cult has expanded

We’ve become magy cera mega cult now