general-feedback-discussion

[manic sun]

@peak wedge the pic is from a yt vid, TierZoo is the name I think

[fleet cave]

flingo

flingo is best

flingo is religion

[peak wedge]

Oh, you were adding to the other one?

[fleet cave]

yes

[urban flax]

So you just a picture of flamingo-colored deinocheirus and consider that feedback ?

[fleet cave]

yes

[urban flax]

And smh people complain devs don't take feedback into consideration...

[fleet cave]

i added to deli's

[peak wedge]

It was just a image, so yeah was confused

[manic sun]

https://youtu.be/Egc58fSUqrA here

[fleet cave]

its feedback for a flamingo jeez

no its a documentary

[urban flax]

It's not feedback it's a single picture

[bright gulch]

Omo i just thought it was kinda cute i didnt think people would hate it that bad. sorry, oof

[fleet cave]

i added it to delis

[peak wedge]

I wasnt asking about where it came from shadow, i was asking what it meant

[manic sun]

Video might explain it idk, this guy makes good videos if u like dinosaurs or modern day animals

[urban flax]

Meh, I get if you consider both are part of the same message it works but... you should've replied to Deli to avoid confusion

[peak wedge]

It was already answered, they were adding to delis message shadow

[bright gulch]

i feel bad i didnt mean to start an argument

[peak wedge]

You didn't start one

[keen vapor]

@hard veldt Updating legacy to make modding on it possible will probably break the entire game

[hard veldt]

But wasn't modding enabled when V2 was out? (I'm not sure bout that, but think I heard it)

[peak wedge]

Im not sure about the time, but there was modding at one point. Legacys changed quite a bit since then though, so it is possible itd break it

[worn pumice]

Legacy is going to go at some point so adding anything to it rly is just a waste of time

[deft linden]

It's likely not going anytime soon though. Already way more people play it

[hoary dawn]

i'd say its very likely to go soon, after the nesting update evrima will have everything legacy did and more

[signal beacon]

Legacy still has servers

[hoary dawn]

and

[manic sun]

roleplayers will come, 69% of the TI community basically

that´s huge

[hoary dawn]

they aren't waiting for people to stop playing legacy, they're waiting for evrima to have more stuff than it

which it technically already does, but legacy does have a couple key mechanics that evrima doesn't yet

[worn pumice]

main one being nesting

skin system n nesting r the last remainging features

[hoary dawn]

the headbutt is a timed attack, if you mess up the timing you get punished for it

having it not cancel itself after a few seconds would be op and promote unskilled usage

[jovial hazel]

I feel like you should be able to cancel the charge without actually ramming. But yeah, the timer on it before it auto-cancels seems like a good idea.

[hoary dawn]

the charge up already cancels itself if you hold down the button for a few seconds

[jovial hazel]

Yeah.

[hoary dawn]

so manually canceling it is not needed

[queen glade]

is NA down?

[spare topaz]

I have Adult dino in Sandbox, how do I select and already full?

[zealous violet]

The real! Whyyy no clicky clack if we have the option to toggle it? ;-;

[modest wind]

I love the click clack sounds

[stable mirage]

we all love it!

[pine bluff]

I think I'd like to give the click clack sounds a try, but that said, I'd also like the option of having it turned off. So, essentially, I'm all for the option to have a button in the menu that switches it out.

[zealous violet]

Yeah! I love the click clack sounds but I also like the ability and option to toggle it on or off.

However, the devs are not real good at giving players things like 'options' haha

[pine bluff]

Lol. To preface it, I haven't heard the click clack sounds from Legacy, but I know specific ones annoy me, so like I said, having the option is pretty important, especially since you can't turn the sound off or else you'll get eaten by something sneaking up on you.

I think that's something though that I kinda would like more of in game; Options. I'm not saying options like the ability to turn trees and bushes on and off so that you can see predators coming after you, but more specific things, like, the ability to say how loud you want environmental sounds to be vs music sounds vs player dino sounds. Or the option to to specify environmental detail. Like, to some degree we do, but.... A little more specific, like saying I want the sky and dino details to be low quality, but the grass and foilage to be high. That sort of thing. To some degree we already have that, but... A little bit more.

I am looking forward to seeing what the options will look like when we get the nesting/color update.

[zealous violet]

if you have a mechanical keyboard it sounds just like that but a tad louder haha.
The sound didnt affect the gameplay tho- only you could hear the clickclack sounds.

I agree 💯 !!! We need more options.

But thus far the devs are a all or none kind of crew so we never get things like toggle options.

[pine bluff]

Hmmm, not sure about that particular keyboard sound... Again, depends. One mechanical keyboard does sound different than another. As far as options and devs, that may be true, but I'm willing to get them a chance, since so far they seem to have the focus on getting the game out in stages, and perhaps more toggle options will come when more stages emerge and they finish fine tuning bugs.

[limber hull]

it is remarkably satisfying

[pine bluff]

My worry is that for me it might be distracting. From listening to dino's trying to creep up and eat me. XD

[zealous violet]

Well, ive been with them since the early legacy stages so im glad theres some peeps here who still have hope haha. Do mechanical keyboards sound different? I guess I never noticed. Im sure theres a youtube video of the clickclack, lemme go loook for it rq

I might just have to make one, brb lol

eeerrr nevermind, the update is messing with it.

[paper oriole]

Tapejara is pathetic

Tupan is chad

Even europejara would beat tape's arse

[barren zephyr]

Not to mention it has canonical ties to primal carnage, all the better than Tapejara

[paper oriole]

Even filter feeder pterodaustro would probably give him a beating

[paper oriole]

Yeah that too

[fierce lintel]

read the thing again

[paper oriole]

Tape would be useless to the ecosystem

How tf would it stun animals

[fierce lintel]

ok fine i'll edit it to say tupan

[paper oriole]

What smaller dinos

[fierce lintel]

i see your point now

[paper oriole]

It could stun a butterfly lol

[fierce lintel]

i misjudged tape's size

[paper oriole]

Sorry i just like roasting tape

[barren zephyr]

tapejara is more like a small version of tupa. I mean its not useless per say as it would have an easier time in the trees than a tupa, but tupa is more impressive overall

[fierce lintel]

alr

[paper oriole]

Is basically is just juvie tupa

[fierce lintel]

whats tape's genus?

[paper oriole]

I think he is the title dino of his genus one sec

Yrah tapejaridae family

[fierce lintel]

k

[paper oriole]

Which does in fact include tupa

[fierce lintel]

it has been fixed

[paper oriole]

Tupan could fly slower and have a hover ability to set him apart somewhat i think

[barren zephyr]

Tapejara.

it is a genus, not a species.

[paper oriole]

I think he did mean family, mix up of words but idk

Easy to do that

Tupan’s species would be navigans, the species names are usually ignored for isle dinos

[barren zephyr]

Tupandactylus navigans and imperator are distinct enough to probably have one or the other chosen for looks alone

and yes, the genus has two species

[fierce lintel]

damn tupan really is a chad

[barren zephyr]

primal carnage's tupandactylus is based on T. imperator

[fierce lintel]

imperator is a virgin

wait no imperator is a chad

navigans is a virgin

just look at this virgin crest

[barren zephyr]

...

its not bad per say

please note that ranking animals genuinely pisses me off

[fierce lintel]

ik

i just think navigans looks cooler

[paper oriole]

Could just add both by having gender crest difference like theyre doin with para lol

[barren zephyr]

I'm more in favour of having the two not mixed together

[fierce lintel]

true

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/beasts-of-bermuda-kaperoo-the-isle-path-of-titans-gif-23526654

@quartz vessel

[quartz vessel]

ofc they attack if enemies come to close, but they dont roam around and look out for other people to kill for fun lol

[outer sphinx]

Hippos...

[urban flax]

It's also a game, and people have nothing better to do rn

[paper oriole]

i could bring up videos of herbivores KOSing irl and lions killing when they already have food but them rules stop me

[outer sphinx]

if they see shit they go fuck it up, same for rhinos and elephants and anteaters

[paper oriole]

animals dont follow rules irl herbivores are toxic af and carnivores will go killhappy when they have the opportunity

[manic sun]

problem is carnivores can´t go on a killhappy rn

[outer sphinx]

well one is stuck to one biome, one is shit and the other is just on drugs

[paper oriole]

well carno could in qa lol

right now herbivores cant even kfs carnis unless the carnis stand around and allow it to happen either

the only way it goes either way is with already bad balance, the attitudes of the playerbase will always remai the same. cant force people to not want to kfs/kos and any mechanic ive heard suggested specifically to stop it is either artificial af, dodgable or abuseable

[outer sphinx]

make engagements terrifying, rn you can go into a fight, finish it and not worry that you got injured

[urban flax]

I remember that one guy who suggested that herbis couldn't do damage to carnis if they haven't been attacked first...

[outer sphinx]

[paper oriole]

lmao holy shit thats so bad

where was that suggestion i wanna save it

[outer sphinx]

Is it Frotsy?

[urban flax]

I'm gonna see if I can find it

[paper oriole]

there was also some guy who suggested that carnis get their stats nerfed while theyre full

like way to punish people for eating

[outer sphinx]

bruh...

one thing to make people not kos more etc, make injuries a big deal rn you get hit as smth bigger thna a utah you just shrug it off

[paper oriole]

there was this thing that capped your healing off after fights sometimes idk if its still in

[outer sphinx]

first time i hear about it

[paper oriole]

there were a lot of complaints about it

[outer sphinx]

they can just buff bleed alltoghether or smth, that would make utah busted in some way but it also cant even take 1 hit so...

[paper oriole]

they did already remove the ability to wallow on riverbanks so thats sort of a bleed buff already

[urban flax]

Bruh I can't seem to find it

[paper oriole]

also doesnt account for blunt damage animals

im trynna find the awful carni damage nerf when full suggestion too

[outer sphinx]

blunt damage is fractures and rn its doing it job

[urban flax]

Maybe it <as deleted

But I found a good one at least

[paper oriole]

could be maybe the person who wrote it was so embarassed they got rid of it lol

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message

[paper oriole]

oh god ive seen that sort of suggestion so much

its actually gross how abusable that is

[barren zephyr]

maybe you can make corpse deny work if it's only the main body of meat hanging around
and anything that's small to fit in your mouth is invalid

[paper oriole]

the sheer amount of friendly fire removal suggestions im scrolling through while looking for the one carni suggestion makes me wanna throw up

[urban flax]

Hey btw, were you able to damage group members in legacy ?

[paper oriole]

yeah

there was 0 reduction

[urban flax]

Oh
Thanks

[paper oriole]

yikes i scrolled past a "reduce anky damage by half or more" post

[outer sphinx]

its not even in

[urban flax]

preventive nerf
Like people ask to preemptively buff magy

[paper oriole]

magy should be buffed by being deleted and replaced with bajadasaurus

[outer sphinx]

and make cera 1.6 or 2.2

[daring remnant]

hate to break it to ya but it probably won't get deleted

I feel like they've done too much stuff with it to just cancel it all of a sudden

[paper oriole]

I already know they aint deleting it

Already too much resources wasted on it

Whoever on the dev team greenlit magy instead any good small-end sauropod must hate sauropods

[daring remnant]

I kinda wonder how much you're gonna complain about it when it will come to the game

[paper oriole]

It is already coming to the game lol

[daring remnant]

I mean released, added

be a playable

[paper oriole]

Mostly im just disappointed in it because shuno or baja would have been cooler

I swear they just thought “we should add a dwarf sauropod”, googled dwarf sauropod and added the first result that must be how they picked such a bad aninal

[daring remnant]

I'm a fan of small sauropods in general so I don't hate it but amarga would have been the best choice

[paper oriole]

What could have been

[daring remnant]

damn those are cool

but I would like a size proportion to see if it's true

[paper oriole]

Funny thing is, thats one of the artists theyve got working for them rn

[outer sphinx]

getting tap vibes...

[paper oriole]

Yeah it is tap

[outer sphinx]

also just saw it

[paper oriole]

Badass art, badass animals. Sadness

[outer sphinx]

hidden

[daring remnant]

I kinda wonder what is the shuno hitting in it's drawing

[paper oriole]

Looks like it snapped a palm tree maybe

Im dumb tho so idk

Maybe the pterosaurs in the tree were pissing it off lmao

[barren zephyr]

yeah it is hitting the tree

probably breeding season aggression or something

[daring remnant]

you know Miragaia I thought you wanted magy deleted because you were one of those "ahaha magy bad cuz small" but after this conversation you want it deleted cuz it could have been much more, this change my view on you and I respect your opinion

just got philosophical

[paper oriole]

I mean its size does play a factor but its only one piece of my magy hating puzzle

It is a naked animal, it has a few scutes while these other guys have built in weapons

[outer sphinx]

magy has 2 viewpoints imo, either its class or region, as you said there are way more better alternatives for it for small sauropods but theres also far better options for that region

[barren zephyr]

These are mostly for display only it seems, except for the tail club of shuno.

[daring remnant]

they may have choosen it has a "low startup" a dinosaur not too unique so they can test the small sauropod idea before adding stuff like shuno, baja or amarga

[paper oriole]

Well to be fair, the same probably went for carno's horns

But in the isle he rams with those horns

Shuno's tail though would most certainly be a deadly weapon though irl

[daring remnant]

not as the anky one though

[outer sphinx]

a whip with a small hard ball at the end basically

[paper oriole]

It would probably deal some bleed and fracture

[outer sphinx]

not a mace

[paper oriole]

It has small spikes on the club

Not huge fracture or bleed

Moderate of both

[daring remnant]

yeah but I don't think they're big enough for actual bleed

[outer sphinx]

but has range

[daring remnant]

I see it more on the fracture side

[outer sphinx]

i mean maces irl had spikes since it helped with armor, it caused bleeding more from just the pure force of the mass not bc it was spiked since thy were fairly blunt

[paper oriole]

Whoop

[outer sphinx]

Both of them:

[daring remnant]

f*ck, I confused club with tail somehow

[barren zephyr]

Anky irl basically had a sledgehammer for a tail

[lavish quail]

Mmmm I smell magy hate

[barren zephyr]

tbf magy wasn't really designed to stand its ground against large dromaeosaurs and abelisaurids

[lavish quail]

Sounds like an irl problem not a game problem

Its a face a mother could love

[paper oriole]

It has an even bigger problem in game because it’ll have to survive carno, utah, dilo, allo, alberto, troodon, megalania, mono, and bary all without getting some insane marvel level superpower

[outer sphinx]

It has the best power... PLOT ARMOR

[paper oriole]

“You can't hurt me! I… taste bad”

[outer sphinx]

Cera:

[daring remnant]

I feel like that if people aren't gonna be *ssholes then it will actually have a good chance of being viable but asking the isle players of being polite feels like asking water to be dry

[paper oriole]

Yeah unless it has some insane bullshit abilities or carnis get nerfs specifically for the purpose of balancing magy (both bad outcomes) then it's gonna rely on the mercy of others which is pretty much inconsistent because even dangerous dinos in the isle get harassed by weaker ones

[outer sphinx]

not like stuff like utah was nerfed just so it gave pachy a better chance

[paper oriole]

In the isle you can group with somebody for hours and theyll just suddenly and silently decide to kill you when you sit down

Utah is literally broken isnt it, like its ability is actually bugged

[daring remnant]

broken and a scavenger

[paper oriole]

They took a sledgehammer to utah

[worn pumice]

A Utah fell through the map when it pounced me

[outer sphinx]

not reallym pounce works desync is more than ever

[outer sphinx]

seems sus that they nerfed utah to 450 when pachy is 500

[paper oriole]

I stood in place while my friend pounced me on their juvie utah and despite hitting me they boinged off yesterday

[daring remnant]

the devs said they'll fix pounce before buffing it which is a step in the right directions so I'm happy that they're atleast a bit aware of the problems

[outer sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/poof-bye-gotta-go-im-out-disappear-gif-10985337

[worn pumice]

[jovial hazel]

Yeah, pounce is still messed up.

[worn pumice]

[paper oriole]

The best their pounce did was make my ptera drop its frog before he was ejected for no apparent reason lmao

[worn pumice]

There’s so many frogs

[paper oriole]

I havent found one rabbit but i keep finding frogs

[worn pumice]

Yup

[paper oriole]

Sadge

[jovial hazel]

What I want to know.. why does AU1 feel so smooth to me pushing 300 ping, and NA1 with 80 ping was a lag fest.

[daring remnant]

cuz they're in burrows

[jovial hazel]

Both full servers.

[worn pumice]

Well NA1 hasn’t had the best stability

[paper oriole]

Also weird that ptera has rabbit and hypsi in its diet. Makes more sense for a fisher to also eat frogs

[jovial hazel]

Time for new server host maybe.

[worn pumice]

NA1 is like trying to catch fish without a fishing rod

[daring remnant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8B91jLC7G4 like this?

[worn pumice]

That works too

Or u could just grab sum fish with your hands

Oh he caught it

[cosmic prairie]

that's FAKE the fish is completely limp!!! limp fish

my pog is retracted I can't believe this internet moment

[paper oriole]

“Remove any skill involved in pouncing”

Crazy

[daring remnant]

I don't think pouncing have a high skill floor either

[lavish quail]

I believe he believes that adding heavy aim assist would fix pounce glitching

[daring remnant]

it would do something if they keep the pounce sh*tty damage

[worn pumice]

Lmao add heavy aim assist to pounce

[paper oriole]

Rib fracture should knock out stamina and put a cap on stam regen until its healed maybe

[lavish quail]

Nah it should cause internal bleeding

[paper oriole]

So pachy would still be making it harder for the predator to chase it with a body frac

[lavish quail]

so you lose like 5% bleed if you do blank

[worn pumice]

It would be nice to see what exactly u broke

So u don’t ram something and then look at it cuz u don’t know if it can run or not

[lavish quail]

Like if you bite you bleed :p

[barren zephyr]

I think a glowing red bone on the character selection screen that outlines your specific fracture on your body would be cool

[worn pumice]

That sounds dope

[barren zephyr]

And sandbox players can then just try and make the whole skeleton glow

[paper oriole]

Like this

[worn pumice]

Ye

[barren zephyr]

Ye

[paper oriole]

Highlighting affected areas with a colour matching the injury type

[worn pumice]

Ye

[paper oriole]

That was from an ooooold suggestion of mine lol

[worn pumice]

I hate giga sub so much

[barren zephyr]

The subs head is in its ass

[worn pumice]

Lol

[unkempt cave]

Did they finally fix the deino ripples bug in the patch?

[worn pumice]

yes

u can ambush again

[marsh bough]

All serv down except AU ?

[pine bronze]

Yyeaaapp..

[zealous violet]

@frosty thunder. I thought group chat was in evrima already? Or did they take it out again?

[worn pumice]

grp is gone

local is the only thig that exists

[frosty thunder]

Its gone

[zealous violet]

D: that's terrible and super short sighted! What? The devs want to rely on discord for chatting? An entirely seperate entity from their game?
They better have a damn good explination but most likely won't.
Or does this fall back into the 'we eventually want all herbies to be non-playable and be only ai' nonsense?

[worn pumice]

their reason they said is because they dont want people grping and typing in chat right infront of u how their going to kill u and u dont know

[zealous violet]

Thats.... Okay I kinda get that. But it's not going to stop anything. People are still going to do this.
They keep putting bandaids on broken legs.

[cyan flame]

We're supposed to get a "broadcast" and "whisper" option. Also they didn't want you to be able to communicate over distance like group allowed.

[zealous violet]

Group allowed that? It always cut off for me when people were too far away.
I do like the whisper feature tho.

Even tho that's literally just local and group remained xD

[cyan flame]

Well I guess whisper would also require you to be well, next to each other

So if the other guys are huddling up, you can at least get suspicious that they're up to something xD

[zealous violet]

Haha I suppose that's true.

And then there's the people who just murder you on sight for seemingly no reason. Be them herbie or carni.
Odd ones them.

[meager tiger]

@bitter timber I belive there should be gibberish or random words when a human is speaking to prevent meta gaming but also give the sense don't speak outloud at night in a horror game with giant trexes in the woods

[limber hull]

@barren zephyr entirely agreed, and I think the devs said Jace was working on a total map overhaul, but don't quote me on that

[barren zephyr]

I hope thats true, it would tame me a bit

[lavish quail]

Map got completely reworked for deino

[limber hull]

It should get completely reworked again

frankly

[merry mantle]

I agree ☝️

[ebon girder]

^^

[worn pumice]

Yup

[urban flax]

@barren zephyr Money and time won't be wasted since humans will have to go through the unplayable state, then become playable, like everything else in the game. Releasing them or not is not a question of money or time investment at all. It's just a question of availability for players.
Humans need to be worked on in any case, like the rest.

[lavish quail]

Tbf tho

1 dino takes more effort than humans and guns

Projectiles are pretty hard

[urban flax]

Unless they're hitscan

[lavish quail]

but they got hypsi spit so i doubt it will be that hard for them to make guns

[urban flax]

Which would be way easier to make but much less cool

[outer sphinx]

theres is also smth where its hitscan at a certain range and projectile further

[outer sphinx]

well humans have been done over and over with very high quality, plus if you arent sure if it looks right you just look at yourself

[olive coral]

They're using Unreal Engine for this game, so there should be tons of assets available for human templates to be used as a placeholder while they make their own models later

[lavish quail]

Bad comparison, i look like shit

Mf waterfall hairstyle ngl

[outer sphinx]

i mean, it doesnt need to be just looks, i never mentioned that, i was more reffering to motion

[lavish quail]

Oh Well im half crippled too

Gotcha twice

[outer sphinx]

[carmine path]

Double Whammy

[zealous violet]

I dont care what they do with humans as long as they make it server optional.

[limber hull]

I love watching everyone asking against humans, I'm still fuckin' excited tho

also I dislike the idea of herbis smelling footprints. Give them something else

[hasty dagger]

Mercs and Dinosaurs definitely aren’t going to have anything like riding or teaming up going for em’, a system like that has been talked about for Tribals but that’s more them beating dinosaurs within an inch of their life to use them rather than a partnership @simple gyro

[simple gyro]

That still is interesting though, tyvm.

[ripe ledge]

Do we have any idea what kind of weapons these humans are going to have? I don't know much about bullet penetration, but I can imagine it wouldn't be too hard to just shoot a dino in the head and pretty much instakill

[limber hull]

IDK man

You tried killing a grizzly with a gun?

Big animals can take a LOT of firepower

As long as they don't have high-calibre snipers, I'm fine

[ripe ledge]

Wow, a grizzly has a plate of bone behind it's eyes, so moderate calibers just get deflected! o_o
Looking at various carno/utah skulls, looks like the round would just bounce up, the front of their skulls are pretty thick, huh

I probably should have checked before commenting >.>

[barren zephyr]

think mostly 90s weaponry.

If lore is correct, Mercs are coming back to AE's island- Isla Spiro.
Which seems to be abandoned of human presence for quite a while.

And knowing we will spawn with basically nothing (in terms of weapons), most players will have those types of weapons

[lavish quail]

https://tenor.com/view/bernie-sanders-i-am-once-again-asking-for-your-financial-support-financial-support-bernie-gif-16479034

[barren zephyr]

this is excluding any type of air drops and/or supplies Mercs are given via a 3rd party presence

[lavish quail]

@paper oriole

[ripe ledge]

Lore? Is there anywhere to learn more about this?

[lavish quail]

Ugh go ask a nerd in isle chat

[ripe ledge]

Lmao

[barren zephyr]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/102ETakYa1vH0VHC9hs_i_kSuum9aVcuH0G4_CobBPr8/edit
Closet thing we have to documented lore is in here

[ripe ledge]

Thanks!

[limber hull]

Yea, I feel it'll be better for balance and realism if we DON'T have one-shots on these massive animals

When you consider how larger modern day animals can resist such weaponry, think about dinosaurs

[barren zephyr]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/908141677594697738/Interior3.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/880275306856976394/Tank1.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/817576526279082004/2021_Env_Concept_Building_Overgrowth_3.png

And also going off images in #phase-two-archive

[lavish quail]

God someone is gonna bully stegs or smthn with a pistol

[limber hull]

They aren't IMMUNE, but they can take a lot more of a beating than they let on

[barren zephyr]

give us WW1 + 2 era only weapons

[limber hull]

as long as they aren't getting modern day military sniper rifles with fucking armour piercing, I'm fine

Honestly, make the closest thing to a sniper a musket :P

[barren zephyr]

seeing as you spawn in with basically nothing.
I don't see Mercs being spoon-fed with great weaponry

[ripe ledge]

Kneecap 'em!

[lavish quail]

Stego slow me fast in car. Oh no big carno broke car we shoot carno now. Oh no steg here we shoot steg now. Oh no

[paper oriole]

yes

[limber hull]

yea if they have enough ammo to do that they're fucked

they should not have that

[velvet sundial]

@barren zephyr Carno as an ambush hunter sounds reasonable, but bone breaking should be easy so the prey can't walk away after one ambush attack

[echo bridge]

honestly thinking that with most dinos you're better off trying to find a clear shot to their lungs or heart with modern hunting calibers, most of the big ones skulls are fairly thick
("big ones" meaning Utah and larger)
and whilst the high calibers would have the power to punch through dinos, they're not the only thing you'll have to worry about on this island
and those high caliber rifles are big, loud, and likely rare to find ammo for a weapon that strong

if you feel like wasting a high powered shot on a Rex just vibing feel free
you rang a dinner bell for every small carnivore in a 5 kilometer radius, let every other large animal know you're in the area in which they'll likely start a ruckus when on the move away from the noise, OR you potentially miss a fatal shot and now have an angry Trex gunning for your ass if you dont have a more effecient close range firearm, backup, or a trap set up

[limber hull]

but the issue with that is some people will, 100% want the kick of easily dispatching a 5+ hour grow for fun

and thats why i hate snipers

it contributes nothing but allowing KOSers to become GODS at doing that exact thing

[echo bridge]

with how easy it is to break line of sight
i dont really think long distance sniping is an issue for most playables unless the player deliberately exposes themself
i was more thinking of elephant rifle style firearms

and sadly humans do need some sort of firepower to at least deal with strains, since they have to be capable of defending their immobile restored facilities

[ripe ledge]

just make it as accurate as the damn muskets in holdfast

or mounted at facilities I guess

[limber hull]

except if you are in plains, like most of the damn roster

also, this begs the question

[vernal obsidian]

Anyone got some tips for going up against a full grown pachy as a full grow utah

[limber hull]

in what scenario do you NEED a sniper rifle for self defence against specifically animals? If they're too close, the sniper rifle is ineffective. If they're too far away, they're likely not a threat. The ONLY scenario you would need a sniper rifle is either hunting or pre-emptive killing, lending itself perfectly for, you guessed it, KOS

[echo bridge]

pachy shouldn't be in the plains in the first place
utah would be in the forest if trying to use its only good attack there wasn't the worst
and every herbivores food plants spawn in plains

[vernal obsidian]

anyone haha

[limber hull]

The sniper rifle is only defensive in the situation your opponent
A: Has a set point in mind they want to travel to
B: Is also ranged in their attacks

[echo bridge]

humans also aren't gonna be 100% hunky dory with each other, so weapons also need to be considered on that front

[limber hull]

Also, designing weapon for strain counterplay is... Eeeeh

[echo bridge]

if you cannot defend an immobile structure from mutant attack, then theres no real reason to fortify it past basic necessities

cause they'll just walk through it whenever rngesus decides someone gets to be a monster for a day
or someone chooses a strain other than hyper and are a consistent problem

most of the anti-hyper guns should be stuck to restored home base facilities

snipers are really only worth considering for human vs human pvp
vehichle destroyers and whatnot, depending how far that goes

but stuff like elephant guns aren't nearly that long range afaik, so i wouldn't really put them under the same issue
normal rifle but more damage, rarer ammo, and higher maintenance

[limber hull]

eh

i really dont even see the need WHY they should be concerned with hypers

neuros seem like FAR greater merc threats

hypers need BIG meals

[echo bridge]

and then whatever the hell magnas and tissos end up being

hypers would just fight mercs for fun
their death is inevitable and comes quick due to intentionally being designed to be incapable of sustaining themselves for long

[limber hull]

magnas? well utterly fucking usless strains

utterly despise magna as a concept, literally just an elder

tissos would be a tribal hunter

hypo = dino hunter
neuro = merc hunter
tisso = tribal hunter
magna = an elder, literally just an elder

[echo bridge]

supersized elders with superpowers

[limber hull]

i personally think all strains should have a weakness similar to the hypo's hunger, otherwise they're just fucking lame and boring

[echo bridge]

magnarex surprisingly not having unlivable metabolism
magnaraptor being part pit viper

well neuros is fairly simple
very frail for their size
naked skin bois

[limber hull]

superpower at a price seems way better than "haha you're just better now in every way, isn't that fun"

neuro, for that reason, has always been my least favourite

"perfected hypo" my ass, it's just everything that makes hypo good without anything that makes hypo interesting

[echo bridge]

both neruos and tissos likely have a frailty issue

[limber hull]

yea, which is cool

[echo bridge]

hypers have hunger

[limber hull]

neuros look like they'd bleed like crazy tbh

[echo bridge]

magnas... are magnas...

[limber hull]

EXACTLY

MAGNAS FUCKING SUCK

Not only do they not have an identity of their own, they are literally not even given the right of an interesting downside

It's just a boring all stats up

[echo bridge]

neuros also to me seem like they would have a very low pain tolerance

neurotenic strain --> neurons --> nerves --> pain sensors

[limber hull]

I agree. Neuros seem like they're more evasive than offensive

[echo bridge]

basically if they get touched they cry

and fire bad

[limber hull]

exactly

[echo bridge]

and sadly tissos haven't been mentioned in any official capacity since 2018
so its hard to really know what'll be up with them

[limber hull]

true, but they do seem the best for specifically tribals

in my opinion

[echo bridge]

it'd be nice if they were partitioned that way

adaptable and can handle damage from primitive weaponry and small creature, but folds to damage from modern weaponry and large animals

[limber hull]

not to mention, mercs have tech, dinos have senses

when you're being stalked by an invisible hunter, those come in very handy

[vernal obsidian]

Can I solo an AI teno???

As a utah

[lavish quail]

If your good

[outer sphinx]

you mean the fact that tribals have nothing to counter/combat mercs tech and dinos scent, right?

[limber hull]

no

the fact that tribals dont have a tool to reveal an invisible threat like a tisso

[outer sphinx]

ahh and by merc tech you mean that humans might have smth like a radar etc

[limber hull]

well they have tons of shit, who knows

[ripe ledge]

give tribals magic
woOOooOo

[outer sphinx]

i mean, smth like a radar they can salvage from a car (broken or not) or any other vehicle, on another note, i'd absoultely love if we get shipwrecked ships or crashed planes, like some pretty big ones

high value locations but also very contested

[lavish quail]

Yeash

[tepid gate]

You can but it takes a long time and you might have to bug the Tenonto out. I've killed them as a fresh spawn Carno on multiple occasions. They appear to be slightly more aggressive now but I've still bugged one out on Friday so it seems to be doable.

As for your question about how Utah can solo a Pachy - you honestly probably can't and shouldn't try.

I'm 90% sure that Pachy will just murder you, it's just a vastly better animal than Utah atm.

Herbivores are just much, much stronger than the carnivores of the same tier on this patch.

[limber hull]

look on the bright side, at least it no longer has the carni bias of legacy :P

[tepid gate]

I don't see how reverting that is any better.

[signal beacon]

Carnivores are still good you just see the majority of them making 2 iq moves thinking they can kill everything effortlessly

[tepid gate]

Tbh there were at least some good herbivores in the legacy. I can't think of a single good carnivore on the current patch.

[tepid gate]

This is completely wrong

Tell me

[signal beacon]

I've seen carnos try to face tank tenos so many damn times

[tepid gate]

what is a single carnivore that has a 50% chance of defeating a herbivore of the same tier?

It doesn't matter what Carnos do

a good Tenonto will murder them

every single time

Tenonto does over twice as much damage as Carno atm

This fight was pretty close to 50/50 when they both dealt about as much damage

[signal beacon]

Ambush them then. Get the charge off and play carno right. If you get spotted and the teno can prepare that's on you

[tepid gate]

Alright

you ambush a Tenonto, you hit the charge on it - what do you do then?

[signal beacon]

Hit their head then hit and run. Bait out tail slams and boom

[tepid gate]

How many times do you hit the head?

[paper oriole]

…are you saying teno carno was 50/50 earlier in qa?

[tepid gate]

No, I'm saying it was 50/50 in 3.5 obviously

[paper oriole]

It shouldnt be 50 50 either

Because carno has the engagement advantage

[signal beacon]

After getting charged a teno will likely panic and waste tail slams

[tepid gate]

Now you can easily disengage as a Tenonto if you stick to the area where this animal is meant to be played

[paper oriole]

With how easy it is for carno to make turns? No

[signal beacon]

Idk how many times but the teno is instantly at a disadvantage after being charged properly

[tepid gate]

When update goes live I will play Tenonto without using the tailslam and I'm quite confident that I won't die until I get bored of it

[tepid gate]

It's not

[tepid gate]

"Easy for Carno to make turns"?

Have you played this animal after the last patch?

Besides - even if Carno had its old agility it would be irrelevant

[signal beacon]

Yes the fuck it is not only will it bring a teno below half the bleed will be even worse for the teno

[paper oriole]

Yeah once but i killed myself because i got bored of it lmao

[tepid gate]

It won't bring Tenonto below half

You can land 2 bites dealing 525 damage to the Tenonto during the time it's knocked down

[signal beacon]

A charge then going for headshots will most definitely half a tenos health

[tepid gate]

No it won't - that doesn't deal 800 dmg

[signal beacon]

Only 2 tf wasn't it like 4 or 5

[tepid gate]

No lol

unless the Teno plays with its feet

if you try to land the third one you're going to eat a tailslam from any player who's not playing blindfolded

[signal beacon]

Didn't the stun last longer?

[tepid gate]

No, I know exactly how long it lasts because I've tested it from both sides

you can land two bites

third one ends with you getting tailslammed

every single time unless Tenonto is bad and panics

I've had fights where I let Carno charge me and the moment it tried to land the third bite on me the fight was over because I tailslammed it and obliterated it with slams

(admittedly in one instance I did die to such a Carno because I tried to chase it into the water and well... Carno's bites still do far more damage that those of a Tenonto)

[tepid gate]

This is completely irrelevant for Tenonto's ability to disengage from a Carno. Atm Tenonto is supposed to live near water. This thing has the best swimming speed second only to Deinosuchus atm. You literally don't even need to fight a Carno, unless you really feel like doing so.

The reality of it is - every herbivore absolutely dumpsters carnivores of its tier atm and anyone who disagrees with that is in hard denial, similar to that which people that claimed the balance between Carno and Tenonto was fine in the QA until now.

It wasn't fine then and it isn't fine now either.

I'm not even mentioning Pachy and Utah because this fight isn't any better for the carnivore either

Deino vs Stego is about as onesided as it can get too

I guess Pteranodon can hunt a Dryo... somehow... maybe?

Although I doubt that

[signal beacon]

Utah is just objectively bad rn cause salty stegs who thought they should be immortal asked for nerfs every update

[outer sphinx]

its even worse when we look at how similar growts are between some of them, or even equal

[tepid gate]

Utah is bad because its pounce doesn't work

[tepid gate]

Tenonto grows faster than Carno, Utah and Pachy grow the same atm I think

[paper oriole]

Pteranodon can still hunt dryo im 100% sure on that at least because i killed two

[outer sphinx]

pachy and utha ye are the same, and stego is still the same as deino right?

[tepid gate]

Well - there you go, there's one match up where carnivores might have the advantage then

[paper oriole]

But dryo is an irrelevant animal anyway

[tepid gate]

Yea

[outer sphinx]

ye so either equal or better for the herbis in growth for a much better animal lmao

[tepid gate]

It is although I don't view Ptera any differently to Dryo, aside from the fact that it can work as a scout I guess

[signal beacon]

The startup lag for utahs pounce is unnecessary and screws it unless the prey is absolutely braindead

[paper oriole]

Well ptera is more enjoyable than dryo at least as a playable

[tepid gate]

I found them to be equally boring, but I guess that's just preferences

[paper oriole]

If they wanted some bs delay on utah pounce they should have made it charged like hypsi jump

[outer sphinx]

well its gone now

[paper oriole]

So utah could co further after a charge and just remove the delay otherwise for a short distance pounce. The delay is stupid

[tepid gate]

That's pretty much the current state and although on some previous patches specific carnivores were vastly superior to their herbivore counterparts or even animals from a higher tier(e.g. release Utah dumpstering Tenontos left and right) making it so that the balance is heavily skewed to the other side isn't how you do balance.

[outer sphinx]

like generaly i like the nothing is overpowered if everything is type balancing but it should be done for everything not just 50% of stuff

[signal beacon]

Balance should be slated in the faster carnivore being weaker than the slower herbivore but yea it shouldn't be one sided. Though I still dont think teno v carno is slated to far in tenos favor

[tepid gate]

I think it appears even less slated than it actually is - based on what I've seen the only reason why Carnos aren't just dumpstered on the spot upon being hit by any CC is because of the desync

literally - the lag and desync saves them

If they were to stop right after being hit by the CC, instead of being allowed to run for a bit longer due to the delay

[outer sphinx]

if you cant run from it you should be able to fight it is what the isle balancing should be like, or somewhere in the middle for pachys case

[tepid gate]

then Tenonto would be free to murder them on the spot

[outer sphinx]

that fight should quite literally be 50/50 imo

for utah v teno is 60/40 on tenos side imo

[ripe ledge]

it should be though, right? utahs were pack dinos, if you decide to attack a fully grown teno on your own, you should get tail-slapped and die

[outer sphinx]

even in pack, 60/40 feels fair since even with a pack casualties can still happen

[ripe ledge]

very true

[azure tendon]

@frosty thunder im sorry but if deino gonna show them self it going to be impossible to hunt for them

[frosty thunder]

Croc poke their heads out as to not scare the possible food away. Of course I should have added that it should do that when the rivers have more life in them. (Leaves, logs, grass, etc.)

[limber hull]

I don't think you understand

This would be advantageous to stealth

Currently, deinos expose their entire bodies while getting oxygen or swimming on the surface

This could make it that they could still get oxygen without having to make themselves very visible

[azure tendon]

yeah you right, but now everybody while drinking or walking close to water they are watching for deinos, and this actually get them less stealth, i agree with part of oxygen, but if they cant see anytthing on land while they are underawater it getting deino to weak i think

[limber hull]

they never suggested to be unable to see anything on land while underwater

Just that they can stick their heads out

Rather than the whole body

[azure tendon]

ok

[limber hull]

@finite canyon hard disagree with this. No one is going to find it fun to lose their several hour grow instantly to a ranged attack from humans because some other randoms on the server picked the same dino as them. It would lead to humans quickly becoming very hated among the community for good reason

the dinosaurs would have no visual conveyance that they are on the humans hitlist, and would, in their eyes, be randomly KOSed by humans for no reason other than the mere act of existence

[paper oriole]

if it just targeted species in the overcrowded areas it could work perhaps, we already have the megapack clouds pointing them out

so hunting a lone rex wouldnt count as a part of the objective

probably exploitable somehow though

[limber hull]

That's pretty tough to consistently make that a fair objective for both sides, and just makes it that it will go from a game where packs can sometimes meet and intertwine to a game where evasion and cannibalism becomes far more rampant to prevent ending up on a human's shitlist

if you want to prevent megapacking, do it naturally

don't have a team of dedicated hitmen designed to punish players who don't follow some invisible rules, we have admins for that

there are many ways to encourage players to play a certain way. Having the risk of instant death and loss of hours of in real life time to attacks they have little to no counterplay against, 100% not it

when designing a game like this, you have to consider people are investing their ACTUAL in real life time into it. Now, that's fine and good if your risks always have some level of counterplay to them, be it stealth, evasion or combat, but humans are a special breed, since they attack from a distance, which you cannot

[paper oriole]

if mercs are going to reign instant death because of a mission then it sounds like a merc problem more than a mission problem

[limber hull]

frankly, i always think mercs should focus on HORROR. You want to stay undetected or far away from the animals, not gunning them down

[paper oriole]

if they have the capability to kill then they should at least be directed to an outlet for that ability when they arent doing something else. i doubt were gonna have snipers oneshotting carnos, that would be a balance problem more than anything

[limber hull]

i think the more mortal the mercs feel and the more powerful the dinos feel, the better the gameplay, and encouraging dino killing removes that level of fear and power the animals give off

[paper oriole]

you can encourage mercs to take risks without making them more powerful

[limber hull]

then encourage them to steal eggs or travel to derelict destroyed bases

[paper oriole]

no "here you have a mission here's a rocke tlauncher and 4 boxe sof ammo go wipe a pack"

that shit aint gonna happen

[limber hull]

stuff that would bring them face to face with the animals, not go "here's a hitlist, make me proud, bring me back their teeth"

[paper oriole]

if there's a "this pack is growing too large and could pose a threat, be aware and divert any available resources to solving the problem" then it doesnt really sound busted at all

as long as humans are still vulnerable, and as long as weapons are still a challenge to get, it wouldnt interrupt much. not like theyd just get free weapons just because a carno megapack rolls in

[limber hull]

idk, it seems to me like it goes against many of the core design principles of humans we know

humans having limited ammo, rare weapons, loud and revealing attacks

hell, they might not, and likely won't, have the resources required to consistently handle larger animals (unless we buff them to account for the fact that they may need to actively hunt these animals)

in which case, we once again, have defeated the point of humans

either humans are balanced around the need to avoid dinos or the need to kill them, and I really hope it's not the latter

[paper oriole]

They don’t need the resources to consistently handle threats, just saying it wouldnt hurt to have it there as an incentive option if they wish to take the risk

Its another option. It wouldn’t be forced nor should it change their initial gameplay setup of limited resources, but it should be rewarded if they succeed in knocking a megapack down a peg with what they have

[limber hull]

i still think if we have to have objectives, we may as well have them be encouraging you to interact with the dinos so that you may need to defend yourself, not kill them outright

[paper oriole]

The regular objectives yeah. Repair this fence, collect this sample, start up this generator, etc

Its more of an anomaly as far as objectives go

Not a true objective, sort of a side quest that can easily be avoided and would be very high risk/reward

[limber hull]

i dont even think its that high risk tho

unless you're using a shotgun like a fucking insane person

[paper oriole]

Even bears and elephants tank bullets from bunting weapons to the face sometimes i doubt we'll see a merc hiding in a bush oneshotting a carno

If guns and ammo are as hard to get as they are hyped up as it will be risky and the whole megapack is gonna be after you

[thorn crater]

Implying mercs will see anything inside a bush

[paper oriole]

True too lmao

Like even a utah might tank a bad shot

Smaller animals being harder to hit, larger ones taking multiple hits

Both gonna either haul ass or attack you after the shot making it even harder

Esp if its only overpacks that will give a reward

[limber hull]

I don't get why you would firstly make it extremely hard to kill with a merc, then make it that mercs are encouraged to kill? It's like its trapped choosing if it wants to be a survival horror or primal carnage: open world. The ammo is hard to obtain, the guns are hard to obtain, the animals are hard to kill, why then encourage someone to do something they shouldn't? All it does is
A: Frustrate merc players who are given an objective, then proceed to be unable to perform it due to limitations
B: Frustrate dino players who get killed for being in close proximity to their own kind
C: Make mercs from a survival horror to a "let's get enough weapons to kill some carnos quickly and effectively" hunting sim

[paper oriole]

It isnt an objective its just a “hey if you succeed at this youll be rewarded but it isnt any interruption to your current routine it's just there”

And it would punish dino players who are in massive oppressive swarms with their own kind not some randos

Might encourage separate merc groups to work together for a reward at the most

Could be shit or could be good depending on how its done

[thorn crater]

Personally not a big fan of encouraging mercs to kill dinos
Instead I’d give them missions that forces them to interact with dinos in a way that could be done with or without killing (stealing eggs, taking blood samples, implanting chips on hatchlings/juveniles etc)
This way you can keep the survival horror the mercs are supposed to go trough

[limber hull]

it would also punish merc players who don't nerd out and exactly calculate the best weapons, tactics and ammo counts required to effectively dispatch certain dinos. God knows Isle players already calculate the exact amount of attacks they can do before they run out of stam vs killing their opponents. Now imagine some mercs who get so enveloped in the rewards for dispatching these dinos that they ignore everything that makes it survival horror and just beeline through the best strategies to get those rewards as quickly as possible

Either you are punishing new merc players by giving them an impossible task or punishing dino players for merely being in proximity to a certain amount of their own kind

Or you're rewarding people who see merc as a hunt, not a horror and being as sweaty as possible

[outer sphinx]

is it just me or i'd love if we get the ability to interact as mercs with dinos, most likely herbis, in a more fascinating/peacefull way

[limber hull]

absolutely same

[outer sphinx]

reminescing to the brachi scene in JP1

but this are very unlikely dreams as these are humans afterall (who are playing dinos)...

[ripe ledge]

if that was the isle, the humans would be paste and the brachi grazing over them

[outer sphinx]

yep, thats what i mean by my previous comment

[ripe ledge]

oh yeah lol, didn't read it 😛

[honest sparrow]

Personally not a fan of giving raw damage or health buffs via diets but idk

[lavish quail]

Makes sense on a certain scale

and does mean you get situations where you target the weakest

[honest sparrow]

I haven’t played the mt in a while but I don’t recall any way to distinguish a person who does not follow their diet from one who has a perfect one or something

[lavish quail]

Yeah they need that

[signal beacon]

@little gyro ...What?

[paper oriole]

i guess a tenonto... cheesed him haha

[signal beacon]

Why in gods name does teno need ANOTHER nerf?

We already saw what happend back when carnorex was a thing

[paper oriole]

whenever an herbivore is capable of defending itself at all there are people crying for a nerf

there was somebody here yesterday who thought it should only have a 10% advantage in a 1v1 against utah

[signal beacon]

Like these people just want food lying on the floor at this point

[paper oriole]

they should just go hunt the boar ai that is absolutely everywhere and stop ruining playable animals

[daring remnant]

I just want to see the old tenonto

[paper oriole]

lotta shortsighted people who just want it easy on the animals they play and everything else to be nerfed to their whim

[signal beacon]

Wonder when frosty is gonna come back with his opinion on the new teno

[paper oriole]

honestly surprised i havent seen him recently

i eagerly await the knowledge he will no doubt bless us with

[signal beacon]

He is typing a library worth of reasons carno should be able to face tank tenos rn

[paper oriole]

I wonder what he will share with us next. could it be "give carno bite bonebreak against tenonto because tenontos always fight back when i am trying to kill them"? or maybe "make stego spikes break when they hit a dinosaur and need to regrow because stegos spikes are op"

[signal beacon]

I will never forget he said herbis shouldn't be allowed to hide

[paper oriole]

"turn troodon in to sinornithosaurus so herbivores cant hide from me i am a bad hunter xd"

sino is like barely bigger than a compy too wtf would it do

[signal beacon]

Give it SUPER strong venom

[paper oriole]

lmao just make sino inject cyanide

[signal beacon]

The sad thing is the devs seem to actually listen to these people

[paper oriole]

yeah probably how we got the initial qa disaster

bunch of idiots try to facetank a tenonto, come whinging to the feedback channel and the devs cater

[barren zephyr]

yeah

hunting should be a general challenge for most carnivores, and it is irl

[paper oriole]

some of the mos thyped up and overrated predators irl have like a 30% success rate on hunts

[urban flax]

Cats have 60%
Maybe more

[signal beacon]

Next patch: stego now only has 3 tail swings and their damage has been reduced 70% and carno can knock them over with charge now.

[paper oriole]

not that people should fail that much in game if they are smart but predators are honestly overrated

idiots should have a very low success rate

[barren zephyr]

some smaller generalised carnivores like storks are quite successful, because their prey is largely defenseless.

[paper oriole]

lions have shit success rates, AWDs that are most comparable to utahs have pretty decent success rates

some of the best

but that is in packs

[barren zephyr]

yeah lone dogs can't take down much.

[signal beacon]

I think carnivores should have more food per meal and food should last longer so they dont have to kill the entire server to satiate 5 utahs

[paper oriole]

a utah shouldnt walk up to a tenonto and expect to land a W unless the tenonto is having a brain hemorrhage

[barren zephyr]

even then you do not need to kill the server to satiate 5 utahs.

[paper oriole]

yeah they should only need like 20% of their body weight to fill from 0%

[barren zephyr]

i mean when I was playing on the QA branch a few weeks ago as a utah the ground was littered in carcasses

[paper oriole]

theres not a lot of reason not to kfs right now

[barren zephyr]

but a stego corpse should be able to feed a pack of raptors for like a week or something.

[paper oriole]

even as ptera i just killed a bunch of dryos and deer and left the bodies for fun

[signal beacon]

If carnis could go longer without food then herbis could get buffs to make hunts harder without starving all the carnivores and getting the feedback channels flooded with complaints

[signal beacon]

That Is if they can defend it

[paper oriole]

unfortunately the dinos are controlled by humans and not being hungry wont stop people from wanting to kill and come complaining when it is too difficult for their toddler brain

[barren zephyr]

I had some idea of slightly overhauling hunger. First, gut space/contents and then the actual energy intake from digestion

[signal beacon]

I mean once there is more to lose like elder growth, nesting history, perks. People will be much more risk adverse

[barren zephyr]

Honestly won't be surprised if down the line teno gets nerfed again

devs have had a real urge to make everything fodder comparatively to the top dog

Stego and Deino don't count in this equation, there not "real" inclusions to the ecosystem

[paper oriole]

stego and deino continue to be mistakes

[worn pumice]

Just shows why you don’t put an apex without other apexes

[hybrid matrix]

Who is this frosty guy

[paper oriole]

Frosty the Icewing is a wise guru of isle balance who on occasion descends from the heavens of knowledge to give the devs much needed advice for their game such as "nerf stego damage by half" and "turn troodon in to sinornithosaurus so it can glide in forests because herbivores keep running in to forests"

[signal beacon]

Carni bias incarnate

[hybrid matrix]

The anti-christ of good decisions?

[signal beacon]

yes

[paper oriole]

such wise words

[stark dust]

I don’t see why tameable dinosaurs in the isle is bad tbh

[worn pumice]

they didnt survive the isle

[sacred moat]

Why would you need tameable dinosaur

[hybrid matrix]

U can get that from ark

[sacred moat]

Like, nothing is stopping you from mix packing with your dino buddies as a merc

[limber hull]

i love these people who throw out MASSIVE percentages

Like the guy who asked for a 60-70% increase to utah's stam

along with a 30-40% increase to health

makes my game design brain hurt

[worn pumice]

the isle lol

[pale bloom]

40% its like making Utah weight 800 kgs Lol, thats a bit too much

[worn pumice]

they made utah 450 kg so pachy at 500 kg wouldnt be pinned

is that right

[pale bloom]

Yep

[worn pumice]

thats what i thought

[limber hull]

Yea

I get WHY, because it'd make pachy fuckin' easy, but like

God damn utah can't have anything

[worn pumice]

they could've maybe added some sort of counter but idk

[pale bloom]

You will still get pinned until you reach about 90% Growth

[paper oriole]

they coulda just made pachy weigh 525 for that purpose or some shit. would anybody have complained? though looks-wise 450kg utah makes sense because that bastard is a stick figure compared to the real 500kg utah

[worn pumice]

looks wise id make utah 350 kg

skinny as hell

[stark valve]

@idle ibex fucking straight facts my guy

[worn pumice]

JP rip off too

[paper oriole]

350kg wouldnt even be bad for its looks but it would make it pretty pathetic even compared to now

[worn pumice]

lmao imagine it having 350 hp

[paper oriole]

balance wise it probably shouldnt get nerfed further but appearance wise yeah he looks like a strong breeze would send him tumbling

[worn pumice]

when pounce actually works it does its job well

[paper oriole]

windy day, utahs roll across the island like tumbleweeds

[worn pumice]

utah should prolly not get nerfed anymore

[paper oriole]

like utah is literally broken rn lol

imagine it with 350hp and a pounce that doesnt work

[pale bloom]

Shouldnt but there you have an Alt bite damage nerf, I didnt understand that

[paper oriole]

my friend couldnt even stick me when i was standing there letting him pounce

slid right off like a square of warm butter

[pale bloom]

Like a guy said in feedback, Pounce now its like playing Russian roulette but with 4/6 bullets

[paper oriole]

all the utahs in the isle got hit by an oil spill and now they cant grip with their pounce

[pale bloom]

I dont even played Utah in the QA, Pachy being in the same weight range defend itself better

[pale bloom]

[paper oriole]

im a hardcore utah hater and even i feel bad for it

[worn pumice]

same

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/909661758346645514/Lets_go_The_Utah_Pounce_is_finally_stable_New_Patch_The_Isl.gif

[paper oriole]

my friend trying to pounc eme with his little juv utah was like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vRV254aS04

[pale bloom]

With your permission , this gif is now part of my phone storage

[worn pumice]

dw not even my gif lmao

cant wait for the piss n shit update

[paper oriole]

i cant wait for my dinosaur to die of dysentery

exciting

[worn pumice]

r they fr unironically adding shit n piss

[paper oriole]

i hope not but they talked about it a lot

i hope it was just an elaborate troll

[worn pumice]

idk this is the isle

[barren zephyr]

It's coming folks

Me and the boys are coming to defecate on a bunch of resting Apexes and dip

[worn pumice]

I can’t wait to piss on people and then shit right after

[barren zephyr]

Trolling content

They'd make it into an achievement

[worn pumice]

Possibly the greatest update I’ve ever heard of

[honest sparrow]

filipe unironically advocating and talking about it indicates otherwise, or maybe I'm just being pessimistic about it

[paper oriole]

He seemed waaay too into it

Like he really wants it

[worn pumice]

cant wait for something to die and then piss n shit on it so no one can eat it

[paper oriole]

It serves no good purpose except fueling troll behaviour

[paper oriole]

People will do that 100%

[worn pumice]

ill be one of them

[hoary dawn]

they complain about the own killers now, wait until the corpse shitters come

[paper oriole]

Troodon seems to have consistent looney toons animations lmao

[honest sparrow]

it both serves no purpose and is nasty

[limber hull]

I like troodon anims

[honest sparrow]

I feel like they just kind of abandoned any and all of the horror aspects of troodon and just made it cute and to give it personality they made it jump every .2 milliseconds

[worn pumice]

it feels like every animation it has it smokes small amounts of cocaine

[honest sparrow]

small?

[worn pumice]

maybe 10 lbs

[honest sparrow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/765995352566136882/910719084176474152/caption.gif

[limber hull]

I don't see what's wrong with this horrifying little critter also having personality. Isn't the idea of troodon that you barely even see it when it attacks from the dark?

[honest sparrow]

its personality is it jumps

[worn pumice]

it just jumps constantly in most animations

[paper oriole]

It’ll definitely be easier to see spazzing out the way it does

Even in the dark, motion triggers vision

[honest sparrow]

just like me outside your house

[honest sparrow]

no need to worry, it'll all be over soon

[worn pumice]

copium

[sacred moat]

i dont mind the new animation? if someone vomited stomach acid at your face, im pretty sure youd jump back too

[honest sparrow]

its not like a hit animation that plays when you, yknow, get hit, because its cleaning it off you could just stand there for a few seconds, hold e, and then your troodon would jump back for no real reason to clean its eyes

[sacred moat]

its getting hit by stomach acids, i dont think you'd just stand there like 🧍‍♂️ if corrosive liquid hit your face. I think the normal response from getting acid shot in your eyes would be to jump back then try to wipe your face off immediately

i think the troodon animation shows that off pretty well

[honest sparrow]

I get moving and even jumping around as a response to whatever the fuck hypsi's shit is as its basically a pure shock response, but I find it ridiculous it jumps relatively high, after doing whatever it was doing for however long, and then attempts to clean its eyes midair

[sacred moat]

i think the idle animation before, is just its normal standing animation

i dont think thats actually apart of the "hit" animation

im pretty sure the "hit" animation starts once it gets hit

also

looking at the animation again, it doesnt jump that high? Just look at the head level from the start of the video

[paper oriole]

If he jerked back raising one foot off the ground and kept the eye cover animation it would look less funky imo

Not a whole ass kickout leap

[analog phoenix]

wtf is he doing a damn kickflip homie looks like he makes tom and jerry sounds when he gets hit this is amazing 😂 troodon the type of dino to tapdance the loony toons intro when he gets a kill💀 💀

i love it

[hoary dawn]

the issue with the jump isn't the height, its how quick the start up is combined with how slow it falls back down. it just doesn't look natural at all

[last lily]

I have a question for you all: does anyone actually life the flimsy, wobbly jelly tails currently in QA??

[hoary dawn]

they're better than the previous tails

[last lily]

Livebranch or previously in QA? I personally prefer the livebranch tails except for carno run and stego walk

[hoary dawn]

previously when they had no tail physics, before they were just so stiff and didn't blend well with a handful of the animals' run/turning anims

mainly utah and carno, who look much better with the new physics

[last lily]

Tenoto and Stego are probably the ones who suffer the most with the new tail physics.. the best part about the tail physics with carno now is that the tail is actually straight when running(and not flopping side to side at the tip)... but it still looks like the physics could use some work.

Does Deino's trot still have that little wobble with its tail tip?

[hoary dawn]

no idea, cant bring myself to grow a deino

[urban flax]

People in this community really have a thing against humans
Ashamed of their own species ?

[signal beacon]

Who doesn't loathe themselves?

[urban flax]

I don't

All our ancestors didn't either

[limber hull]

Yea, they really don't like it

Personally, I'd rather see them added now then jammed in later while trying to balance them against an already established ecosystem

[signal beacon]

I just really don't trust that they will be balanced for a while

[limber hull]

Okay so imagine them not being balanced while rexes are in the game lmao

its better now

also, i dont care if they're unbalanced as long as it's underpowered

[urban flax]

The fact is the game needs humans as soon as possible. The Isle won't be The Isle until they are added.

[lucid mauve]

Last thing it possible needs right now is humans, lol

[limber hull]

idk, i think it kinda needs them since it's been promising them for over 5 years lmao

not to mention that adding in an entire new faction like mercs later down the line could be disastrous for balance

[urban flax]

You're thinking the wrong way. If you're thinking "bugfixing is more important" then it's irrelevant, we're talking about content here.

[urban flax]

Exactly

[limber hull]

personally, with the size and scope planned for mercs, having them added late is a really bad idea

also, the potential marketing and influx of new players with their addition is a nice bonus

Imagine they add mercs and they balance them around fighting a T-Rex rather than fighting a utah

[urban flax]

Humans punching at 600 damage

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr Do not solidsnake me

[lucid mauve]

Yea, and thats new dinos. Humans will come way later. And its a long way for that, if we are lucky we get allo in 2023

[limber hull]

id rather see humans at this point than new dinos that will just make adding humans a more complex mess

humans need to be added so their systems can be properly developed

they will look WAY more unfinished if they were added once every single mechanic was added and the roster was much larger, which means more time would need to be dedicated to get them up to the same quality as dinos

[last lily]

^

[limber hull]

in other words, you would have to deal with a ton of human-only updates

which, if you hate the idea of humans, would likely piss you off a lot more

id rather humans get developed with dinos so that both sides are happy

[lavish quail]

@signal beacon “feathery ball of disappointment” best quote on troodon so far

Didn’t quote it right

But point stands

I confused myself with this^

[signal beacon]

Thanks ^u^. I always saw troodon as this little shit who has malice and hate for everyone that's not him.

[lavish quail]

He is like that annoying kid from South Park

[signal beacon]

Lmao

[lavish quail]

Eric that’s it

[lavish quail]

@barren zephyr ^^^

[paper oriole]

I'm a simple isle player. I want humans so i can drag their bodies around as a dino. I cant wait

[limber hull]

exactly

im happy that there are dino players that are excited to fucking maul humans to death

because i want my first experience to be mauled to death in first person

[last lily]

-Don't jinx it or you'll be mauled to death in third person

[limber hull]

we know very little about humans

but we do know its an FPS

[last lily]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-IYcuINPtM

Imagine dragging or mauling a human to death and their ragdoll ends up like this.

[paper oriole]

I eagerly await the flaccid and/or glitchy human ragdolls

Wanna do this with a human

[limber hull]

Please add the Source ragdoll sounds

[paper oriole]

Hmm I wonder how humans will sound anyway

[limber hull]

im assuming like humans

aka voice chat

[paper oriole]

Probably but like

[limber hull]

(if they can manage to add that)

[paper oriole]

Will dinos just hear sim speak

[limber hull]

apparently they'll hear radio static

which i hope increases in volume depending on how loud the person is

[paper oriole]

Wonder if they’ll still have calls like 4 call AAAAAGHCK

Wilhelm scream 4 call

[limber hull]

Wouldn't a 4 call be a desperate scream for help

But tbh, I think those numbers would be use for items, not for calls

[lavish quail]

@barren zephyr stomach acid actually has a low Ph realistically, also that would be unfair for something that will have like a 15 minute grow time

It’s really small

Also BALANCE

Wait I was wrong about stomach acid acidity that shits a 1 on the PH scale

But still hypsi can’t be the death of more creatures than it already is

Does, it’s fast small and can climb what can it not escape from with 30 seconds

It’s the acidity of something

0 being strongest

7 being a neutral such as water

And anything over 7 being a alkali

Chemistry stuff for nerds like me

[limber hull]

my issue with hypsi is that the blind wears off near instantly

like at least make it last 3 minutes if you dont rub it out

[lavish quail]

^

[sacred moat]

@unkempt lion in theory beipi being able to build dams would be really cool. But people would just do it as a trolling mechanism to dry out deinos. Basically theyd do it for memes instead of necessity

[versed trellis]

I would hope they do something more interesting with the spit when they get around to finishing Hypsi, along with its other missing abilities.

There's the potential to integrate its potency/effects with the diet mechanics and eventually perks, diversifying its gameplay in a unique way

[worn pumice]

Has to do with base and acid levels

[lavish quail]

Said it ages ago but different spits do different things

One blinds, one does a heavy unremovable temp blind and one does damage

Depends on what you have the highest diet value of

[paper oriole]

Hypsi is so common in mix pack hunts imagine how disgusting it would be if it gave a 5m vision impairment lmao

[keen vapor]

@stark valve how do you know how fun humans will be lol

[outer sphinx]

he doesnt, people just like to jump on trends

[paper oriole]

Tbh that carni diet suggestion makes it look like this guy wants carnis to be encouraged to explore the map while herbis are stuck in diet plant hotspots for the sole purpose of serving the other faction as if they arent also supposed to be enjoyable playables

Both diet systems are lowkey shit and force people to center

[manic sun]

First of all nutrients should stay for a long time and diet plants should be put around the whole map, in some regions u just find more

[paper oriole]

“Most of tenonto's doet plants should be in swamps and meadows” while carnis are encouraged to spread out. It also wpuldnt fix hotspots if herbi plants continue to be clumped

That’s the same problem we have rn

Carnis will still flock to the most populated herbi zones

[raven lark]

smelling blood is not working and its so annoying

[manic sun]

hmm that's true

ok so what if every herbivore would have like 4 hotspots and they'd be shattered around the whole map

[paper oriole]

Also Some herbi plants are very versatile plants that grow in many areas irl but are crammed in one biome in game

Mountain ash is a big example, it isnt even a swamp plant

[manic sun]

yea

[paper oriole]

Both factions should be encouraged to roam around for food instead of forcing one faction to hotspots to be McDonalds for the other faction

[outer sphinx]

teno is a swamp animal, have most of its food in swamp and river edges etc, carno is a plain animal, have its pray so they have to find food in plains or travel trough it

an ex

[manic sun]

so smth like this?

[paper oriole]

“Its prey” doesnt mean much when you want it to get nutrients from everything

Carnis will just play like legacy or pre-diets because getting one nutrient is enough for most players if its easiest

[outer sphinx]

well i didnt make a comment for his idea, just a general statement of how diets should work

[paper oriole]

If they want tenonto to be a swamp dino there should be more wetlands and it should have plants thay actually make sense, not mountain ash

Right now it would stuff them in to the southeast of the map and punish them for exploring

[outer sphinx]

like many said before, we just need a new map or a heavy rework

[paper oriole]

And coconuts which are supposed to be in coastal areas are crammed in a couple spots instead of being in the biome in general

Shouldnt be in hotspots, should just be in biomes as a whole

There is a ton of coastal area in the isle but barely any of it has coconuts

[manic sun]

so should teno only stay in the south-east part of the map?

[paper oriole]

No thats what i was saying was bs

[outer sphinx]

no, what we need rn is a new map/rework

[manic sun]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[outer sphinx]

imo the previous map before this, previous version moresay was much better, it had rivers, it had 2 swamps

[manic sun]

yea

[paper oriole]

Diets shouldnt force animals to stay in certain biomes while the map is made in a way that will stuff people in concentrated hotspots. That just replaces the current problem with the exact same problem

[outer sphinx]

a lot of ponds etc

[manic sun]

I miss bampy swamp

[outer sphinx]

what part of making a new map/reworking this one for diets makes the same problem?

[wicked osprey]

Getting 3 hit by a stego in the tip of the tail as a carno is kinda gae :/

[paper oriole]

I said while the map is like this. This shit would only work way later when we have more than 1/5th of the map

[paper oriole]

kek

Also lame af to have herbis be specialists while all the carnis get to be generalists

[outer sphinx]

well carno and deino is def more specialized thna utah

[wicked osprey]

They are like that by nature, also carnis are specialists too, Carno is a drag race mode, utah is drift mode, ptera is fly mode, deino is gae mode

[paper oriole]

It should be but with the suggestion it can just do what ever

[manic sun]

You are a teno, u have diet plants in the east swamps and some carnis will be chilling there too. You get sick of the shit happening there and make a journey to arch falls, u find some tenos on ur way. At arch falls are some utahs, some of u die and some of the utahs die. The utahs eat the teno corpse, u take the chance and go to center...

[paper oriole]

Not all herbivores irl are specialists. Both groups have generalists and soecialists

[wicked osprey]

Dryo is specialist in being free food

[paper oriole]

Honestly true

[manic sun]

It'd be healthy for the game tho if most of the herbivores are specialists and have weak points.

[paper oriole]

They are kfs bait even as ptera

[manic sun]

utah joins the cluster fuck

[wicked osprey]

Actually enjoyed playing the nerfed carno, putting effort in killing feels rewardfull, but getting 3 hit in the tip of the tail by stego is kinda gae

[paper oriole]

Not if theyre stuffed in to hot spots, making them less appealing to play than the faction that faces 0 punishment for exploring

[outer sphinx]

hotspots should be their biomes, like jungles dinos live anywhere in jungles, not in the 2 jungle spots where the food actually spawns etc

[paper oriole]

Exactly

Not actual hotspots

[outer sphinx]

teno would have swamps and rivers, and maybe marshes if we ever get them i hope

[paper oriole]

Not “stuff herbivore plants in x number of hot spots” bs

[outer sphinx]

well hotspots in that context ig

[paper oriole]

Also they should replace tenontos mountain ash too because that shit makes 0 sense. If they want it to eat a wetlands fruit it can eat pond apples or something

Mountain ash doesnt even favor wetlands

[outer sphinx]

for ex hypsi gets food in trees and jungle floor, so no matter what jungle you are in/ tree you can find food, so if a carni wants to find a hypsi they just go to a jungle not the 1 designated spot

[manic sun]

ohh yes, I agree

[paper oriole]

That shits bugged me from the start its like they just picked random plants

[wicked osprey]

Petition to add 8 second timer on pteras 1 call, they are annoying af

[signal beacon]

No.

[wicked osprey]

Ok, 5 seconds

[signal beacon]

Let them shread their vocal cords to their hearts content

[wicked osprey]

At the expense of shredding my ears

[signal beacon]

Yes

[paper oriole]

Carnos are worse

Cant even escape that shit

Every corner of the map i hear their wailing

[outer sphinx]

U3 memories...

[wicked osprey]

As a recently carno player i can say i hate carno 1 spam too

I like the utah bork tho

[paper oriole]

I spawn in and immediately hear their RUUUUUU. In desperation i flee to the shoreline to escape the assault on mt ears, RUUUUUU. I need to eat, i am starving, i sniff for food, from the direction i must go… RUUUUUU

[signal beacon]

I only really hear utahs spam call when they killed like a large teno or carno

[ripe ledge]

Thankfully utahs bork all the time so it's nice and easy to avoid them - because I'm bad 😎

[paper oriole]

Utah bark is cringe af because its a shameless ripoff but at least its a very short call

Carno is a long and loud call

Awful to hear

[ripe ledge]

Carno is a phlegmy burp

[signal beacon]

Maybe once they give it feathers the devs can stop ripping off jp

[paper oriole]

nah it will still be a jp insert, feathers are only an option skin

[outer sphinx]

hoping the same for gali, troo and compy

[paper oriole]

if the devs actually give utah a unique call and take away the jp ripoff call i will eat sand

[signal beacon]

Seriously Utah can have some cool and unique sounds but noooooo they wanted to just use turtle sex sounds to do it

[paper oriole]

confident they wont do it

at least troo is a fictional animal, utah and galli hold the names of real animals but look like jp lab rats

at least troodon is defunct

[outer sphinx]

and compy is just AI

[paper oriole]

yeah and i barely see the bastards so i cant go "hey look jurassic park" often

[wicked osprey]

Aight imma go grow a stego so i can abuse his tip of the tail damage yeet

[outer sphinx]

ye true, i'm kinda fine with troo and compy but gali and utah...

[paper oriole]

i crave those glorious ratite style feathers

[outer sphinx]

[wicked osprey]

I meant stegosuchus

[lavish quail]

@tulip shard I am a 21 year old boxer. If you hate on magy i will find you.

[paper oriole]

#DeleteMagy

[lavish quail]

Ewwww

[tulip shard]

easy there, i was just saying i want more of magy. just like you im guessing! also i am a 50 year old sumo wrestler and will pin you with 3 tons of pain if you cross me wide buddy im serious

[lavish quail]

Oh no

Im sorry good sir

[tulip shard]

thats what i thought.

now... let us spread the word of how magy should be in phase two!

[lavish quail]

yes magy best dino

After troodilo

[tulip shard]

cheers

amen to that

[obtuse obsidian]

Deino mains the kinda people to want dino fuck animations XD change my mind

[random imp]

imagine a somebody called Karen putting a shut emoji on a suggestion

[manic sun]

they should delete the shut emote

[random imp]

troodon animations suck big time, from the scooby doo idle, to the dumb ass walk animation

[ripe ledge]

[random imp]

nah, shut emoji is actually fine, it's just people spamming it just for the sake of it in suggestion that makes me laugh

i love the shut emoji

[random imp]

[manic sun]

Let's revive bampy swamp

[lavish quail]

Eh I like them just need some weight

[random imp]

the walk animations is straght out of some scooby doo cartoon, it's dumb. how can it fit into a horror game?

[worn pumice]

cope and seeth

[paper oriole]

easy. the scooby doo walk makes you immune to the spooks

[random imp]

makes sense lmao

[paper oriole]

common knowledge that that stance makes you extra sneaky

[random imp]

[worn pumice]

troodonwalk.mp4 is just bad

it looks like someone going to the fridge at 3 am

[paper oriole]

and nobody will catch him going to the fridge at 3am

because he is just that sneaky

[worn pumice]

[random imp]

ahahahah

[lavish quail]

Eh it has its own vibe

Screaming I’m a piece of shit

Like him ‘-‘

[paper oriole]

troodon moves like a sfm shitpost

[lavish quail]

Movements dumb yes

Like the other parts tho :p

Ever watched South Park?

It reminds me of Eric from South Park

[paper oriole]

it reminds me of an anonym00se video

[ember egret]

hitboxes in this game are dog... everytime i die its to this type of sht

he didnt even alt bite, i slowed down the clip to exactly when he bit i was his length and a half away

[paper oriole]

I think its desync more than hitboxes

Looks like it was a teleport hit which is almost always desync

[zealous violet]

Yall forget that troodon is tiny AF so the really 'big' animations its displaying right now wont seem very big in-game. Especially when they bring bigger dinos in.
But I feel ya. Im tired of all of this too.

[limber hull]

You do know that part of the whole point of the Isle is to have essentially an unofficial JP game. The reason the Isle even exists is because Dondi really really likes JP