general-feedback-discussion

[barren zephyr]

doesn’t feel good to be ignored

[toxic mantle]

Yup

[honest sparrow]

You know who else-

[still raptor]

we truly are the “silent majority”

[barren zephyr]

ptera don’t you dare

[honest sparrow]

MY MOM

[still raptor]

[barren zephyr]

[hybrid matrix]

facts
also i'd've gladly kept playing legacy
it may have had barely any gameplay mechanics, but man was it fun to just shit around as a cera or dilo or giga or whatever i felt like being

[lavish quail]

@tribal heart After being done 🥶

[haughty cliff]

without breaking nda i'ma add qa isn't always aware of bugs on public servers b/c we aren't necessarily on the public servers/same build as public, ofc

[violet magnet]

which is why the feedback and bug reports channels exist

[lavish quail]

No one actually uses bug reports lets be honest

~~If they did they would know about bugs ~~

Nani

punch talking about feedback>?

[crystal trail]

I'll share an interesting factoid here. Nobody, and I mean absolutely nobody submitted a report via #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 about the crash issue. That bug report form goes directly to our QA team. If you aren't willing to submit a bug report then you don't have the right to complain that a bug hasn't been fixed yet.

[outer sphinx]

curious, have any reports been made on pounce for ex?

[violet magnet]

players going off about bug in the feedback channels
"please submit a bug report form or we have no way of knowing about it"

[lavish quail]

"That bug report form goes directly to our QA team."

[violet magnet]

the QA team and the devs can read feedback channels

[lavish quail]

Would you read shittalk 24/7 tbf

[crystal trail]

That's an issue we've been working to fix, but again fixing a bug is not something that happens magically. An issue can be caused by all manner of reasons and it can be a bit of trial & effort to find the actual reason for it. And feedback channels aren't for bugs, we've stated that on multiple occasions.

[lavish quail]

#general-feedback message

[barren zephyr]

[lavish quail]

Literally calling them incompetent

[outer sphinx]

ah good to know at least that has some reports on it

[lavish quail]

tbf game development is hard

[violet magnet]

yes i saw that one
they can still read the feedback channels 🤷‍♀️

[violet magnet]

no one's saying it isn't, my dude

[lavish quail]

#general-feedback message
Two up

Two more
#general-feedback message

[violet magnet]

why are you cherrypicking the shit-talking feedbacks out of all the other feedbacks which outline problems with the game and the dev team

[lavish quail]

Its kinda a mess-

[crystal trail]

Good thing we do that already, but I suppose this post is invisible.

[violet magnet]

👍

[lavish quail]

Just saying 1/3 posts seem to be nagging

Good to know pounce is being worked on tho

[tribal heart]

i submitted it yesterday via the google form. before i ve read it several times in the QA-Feedback channel and thought that this is for sure an obvious bug, because everyone was complaining about it.

[crystal trail]

Generally the rule of thumb is to always assume that something hasn't been reported, or even if it has an extra bug report can always be helpful because you may describe the issue more thoroughly than a previous report, or you might contain information that hadn't been included before. Otherwise you run into the bystander effect where people assume that someone else will help out, etc.

And yeah, the crash report issue hadn't been reported until after Filipe posted about it yesterday.

[lavish quail]

beautiful beautiful insights, thats what were waiting thats what its all about

[tribal heart]

sure. but it seems a bit odd, that you open up new channels for QA-feedback to give feedback about the play-experience of the mechanic test-branch. this shouldn`t happen.

[lavish quail]

https://tenor.com/view/cr1tikal-penguinz0-meme-woo-yeah-baby-gif-19316511

[crystal trail]

Feedback is for feedback about mechanics and stuff like that. Bug reports are for bugs.

[lavish quail]

Bug reports and feedback are different

[crystal trail]

Feedback is like what you think of the mechanic, how we could improve it, should it be kept in the game & suggestions that you may have for entirely new mechanics or additions to implement into current ones.

[lavish quail]

(insight)

[tribal heart]

sure, true. but simply the fact, that a bug isnt submitted anymore via your preferred channel, instead it is published somewhere else, should make you think and evaluate if this can be avoided in the future.

[jovial hazel]

I 100% submitted a bug report about the crash issue.

[crystal trail]

It can be avoided in future by people posting in the appropriate channels, we're not going to spend our time combing through a mixture of suggestions, feedback & bug reports when they could just be posted where they should be.

[haughty folio]

It would seem the obvious solution would be to consolidate the channels since nobody actually follows protocol

[crystal trail]

When?

[jovial hazel]

Maybe 2 days ago?

[crystal trail]

Are you sure it wasn't yesterday? As there was none about the crash issue till after Filipe's post.

[jovial hazel]

About knocking down carnos causing crashes.

It could have been yesterday.

[crystal trail]

That's a bad move, because it makes information harder and more tedious to access. It's not like we're asking for something difficult, as we're providing a form that links directly to our department that deals with bug reports. Every report that gets submitted is tried & tested, plenty of times within minutes of said report being sent.

Personally I think it's partly due to the channel being at the bottom of the category, which I've now bumped up to the top

[haughty folio]

It isn't something difficult, but seeing as people keep having to be reminded to not ping the devs

[crystal trail]

Generally though that's not the same people

[haughty folio]

Quite a bit of overlap

[tribal heart]

@crystal trail plz give the evrima-bug-reports channel another icon left to it. so it stands out from the others.

[crystal trail]

That's actually a brilliant idea. I forgot about that new feature of Discord.

Thanks for the suggestion!

[haughty folio]

Might do the trick. Time will tell

[lavish quail]

Shiny

[crystal trail]

Hm, what's a good icon...

[tribal heart]

something red, crashy, eye-catching

[ebon geyser]

something something bug getting squashed

[lavish quail]

What shines brightest against grey

[haughty folio]

Probably a different color if it's possible

[lavish quail]

💀

[haughty folio]

Emotes in the name could help

Breaks up the monotony

Oh. Wait

I think I realized the issue

[barren zephyr]

What about uhhh

[lavish quail]

Makes up for the unnoticeable everything that is the server

[haughty folio]

Ok so

[barren zephyr]

🛑 = You better fucking look at this lmao

[haughty folio]

The channel itself can't be posted in

And people take quick solutions over good ones

[crystal trail]

Click the form link

[barren zephyr]

You don't need to, you just click the link

[crystal trail]

The form link delivers the bug report directly to where we need it

Aka goes into our system

[haughty folio]

Right, what I'm saying is

Average person sees the link, thinks "too much effort," and posts it elsewhere

[crystal trail]

Then that person doesn't have the right to complain that they aren't being heard.

[haughty folio]

Weird flex but ok

[lavish quail]

Not wrong tbf

#general-feedback message good example

[crystal trail]

I don't see how that's a weird flex. We have a place for people to provide bug reports to us directly, which we look over immediately. If you don't use it, then that's that.

[haughty folio]

Just seems the ideal solution would take this behavior into account

Ideally people wouldn't do that

[violet magnet]

i opened the form out of curiosity, do y'all require a reproduction of the bug in the form of photo or video or can people leave that part out? Some people might not use the form because of that, tbh. Too much hassle trying to reopen the game and reproduce the bug

[crystal trail]

If it doesn't have a * on it, it's an optional field.

[lavish quail]

reproducing the bug is the most important part tbf

[jovial hazel]

I have started to try and take screenshots and videos of issues that happen. But it doesn't require the screenshot or video.

[barren zephyr]

What happen?

[crystal trail]

If it's a crash, you should be able to grab a screenshot of the error message. Otherwise just leave a description of it

[jovial hazel]

I've reported plenty without it. Sometimes get messages from QA asking about it.

They are going to try and reproduce it really, anyways.

[violet magnet]

there's also a space where you can provide a description on how the bug happened/how to reproduce it, so that should work in lieu of a video or photo detailing the bug if people are unable to get one

[ebon geyser]

theyre adding a little icon for the bug reports channel so it gets noticed

[violet magnet]

🐞

[haughty folio]

End of the day the problem seems that communication between fanbase, QA, and dev team is lackluster and nobody can agree on the best way to fix it

[jovial hazel]

🪳

[haughty folio]

Easiest way to do that is to get a consensus on the optimal solution to fix the problem then enact it, but that requires communication

Which... well, feeds the problem

[crystal trail]

I feel like you aren't actually acknowledging what I'm saying.

[jovial hazel]

I feel like you are looking for a problem where there isn't one. You report the bug.

[haughty folio]

It's a possibility I missed the point

[barren zephyr]

I'm unsure what you want anyone to do about people who refuse to read, there's rules at the top of the discord people don't read all the time.

[lavish quail]

Tbh Have a ticket system, After a report is answered have the persons discord tag be allowed to view a bug discussion channel and they can discuss step by step and recreate the bug

[barren zephyr]

Could be more useful for complicated bugs, but as WheelDay said, QA contacts the user if they need more information

[jovial hazel]

QA or Devs will look into a bug report. If they have questions they will DM you.

One of the devs DMed me about a report earlier. They definitely look into them.

[haughty folio]

🤔

[jovial hazel]

If you really want to help, try to remember to take screenshots and videos when you can and report. I'm bad about forgetting to record stuff like that, but I figure it has to help.

[haughty folio]

I wonder if the problem is the system, the people trying to use the system, or a combination thereof

[barren zephyr]

I mean its extremely simple, just people don't bother to visit that channel, or just idkk...

[haughty folio]

Because on the one hand, a system should be easy and intuitive to use

[jovial hazel]

I feel like there's even a button in-game or maybe at main menu that points you to the bug report form too.

[haughty folio]

On the other, average Isle player sometimes can't track people despite laser trail

This gives me both curiosity and concern

[hoary dawn]

fish nodes are everywhere, you either missed some or got extremely unlucky

[toxic mantle]

Lo

Literally cannot add Rudy even if they wanted to.

[paper oriole]

rudy is too op

It will make rex and giga unviable

Its too strong

If rudy gets in he should only be allowed to use 3% of his power

Give us dab

[haughty folio]

You're joking right

[dusk bane]

That's like people asking for IRex or IRaptor

[stark dust]

he doesnt mean the actual rudy lol

he just meant it as a skin alternitive/varient look

I love how people overreact to these kinds of suggestions and actually assumes they meant like adding the actual thing

the more you think of it its kinda obvious

[zealous violet]

One of the reasons Evrima is horrendously boring to play is the lack of global chat- or even same diet chat. Such as herbies can chat with herbies. maybe not carnis to carnis but still. Its boring because its bloody lonely and the only real reason legacy is still so popular isnt because of the mechanics, but because its a social game.

[paper oriole]

I hope global returns with sandbox but honestly survival doesnt need it

[barren zephyr]

I mean, I'm content with global being gone

[stark dust]

not surprised not to mention how plain the map is and the lack of playables

[barren zephyr]

I hated it honestly.
But why remove it now?

[limber hull]

Disagree. I found legacy hopelessly boring because of global, it was no longer about dinosaur v dinosaur, people took personal offense to confrontation and were not afraid to let you know, spent most of their time treating the game like a chatbox than a survival, and frankly, EVRIMA has a better feel to it imho

[stark dust]

and the mechanics emplemented feel more like a determent to deal with

[barren zephyr]

There should've been some replacement for it.
Create a sandbox mode and allow global chat there

[stark dust]

its still not making people play the game

some just stay idle for god knows how long

[paper oriole]

I liked the toxic people crying about rulebreak or exposing themselves to danger in global, i liked killing a friendly calling juvie rex just to see it scream in global 30 seconds later, but past that it wasn’t all that great

[barren zephyr]

survival game not chatbox

[paper oriole]

Yeah it should come back only as a sandbox exclusive setting

[limber hull]

The BEST part about legacy's chat wasn't even global. It was the click-clack sound that was made each time you typed a letter

[barren zephyr]

Global should only be reintroduced with sandbox

[limber hull]

BRING BACK THE CLICK CLACK SOUND

[barren zephyr]

yes

[limber hull]

I loved that sound. Make it an option for players

It made typing unironically the most satisfying shit ever

[stark dust]

global chat should just be an option for admins

[limber hull]

ehhh

[barren zephyr]

just make it for sandbox

[limber hull]

just make it a sandbox feature

[stark dust]

the only benefit I see with global chat in survival is for those who just wanna be nested

[limber hull]

and then make your mode a server option

[barren zephyr]

if you want to chatbox with your mates?
Sandbox

[limber hull]

choose sandbox = global
choose survival = no global

[limber hull]

based on how the menu looks, it seems nesting is planned to be a spawn option and way more streamlined

there's literally an "eggs" option lmao

[zealous violet]

I do agree with some of that but it was also kind of fun to watch people freak out at each other and to be frank, there wasnt much else in legacy to do. But Evrima, for how much more beautiful it feels and plays does get terrible lonely and I get bored of playing it by myself.

[paper oriole]

The only benefit of global is laughing at salt in rules servers

[zealous violet]

OMG yes!!! I forgot about that! That really was the best part.

[barren zephyr]

well I guess that's what you get when you play on a survival game.
All we need now is properly functionally mechanics and better server performance

[stark dust]

the isle is never fun

[zealous violet]

And reading the drama! Dont forget the drama.
I doubt mods will ever be implemented tho so global mod chat for the sake of legacy drama will probably never happen.

[barren zephyr]

the isle can be fun.
But right now?
No way, jose

[limber hull]

honestly, all I need is better server performance, more mechanics and a higher playercount per server

[stark dust]

because the players ruin it

[barren zephyr]

if you count a "game being fun" from the players.
No video game is fun

besides serious RP-based video games

[zealous violet]

I really kinda miss how the carno, utah and pretty much the everything moved and worked in the first original update. Or maybe it was the 2nd update? The one not before the current QA got released but the one before that.

[barren zephyr]

yes

[stark dust]

but lets be fair

the playerbase in the isle for me anyways is the worst I have seen in any video game genre

[barren zephyr]

COD

any big FPS game.

[stark dust]

I dont play COD

[barren zephyr]

trust me.
Big FPS titles have terrible communities

[stark dust]

hmm tru

[limber hull]

i haven't that feeling. Basically every game I've played has had people say "worst community", but the Isle does not take that for me

[barren zephyr]

The Isle is full of dinosaur lovers.
They're not the worst.

[stark dust]

I remember just biting a recx player in deathmatch and he got salty to the point he will kos me all the time lol

[barren zephyr]

islecord is actually survivable (if you exclude the memes)

[stark dust]

people in the isle get way too offended for getting bitten lol

[barren zephyr]

survival game

people will hate you for doing anything negative against you

[stark dust]

I am also mentioning deathmatch players

hence the isle originally started as just a simple dinosaur simulator

[barren zephyr]

I play Sea of Thieves.
I be a pirate and destroy their ship...

They will go crazy

[stark dust]

atleast they dont target you all day just because they get bitten by a dryo lol

[barren zephyr]

life

[zealous violet]

I try to be a decent a player. Not all animals are absolute dicks so I assume dinosuars would be no different.
Sometimes im a punk ruining your day and other times I'll just be chill or even helpful.
When food is plentiful I will share but if my group starts going haywire and attacking things, just like a dog im gonna get riled up too and fight with them.

[jovial vine]

I just have fun and if that includes offing some rando lmao sucks to be them

[stark dust]

look when I play deathmatch or sandbox I just wanna fight some people but NO if you bite that one edgy 12 yr old who gets Omega offended cause you bit them therefore they will target you all day as a theri when all you want is to just fight some peps not to singly target assholes

ik its a "survival game" but it does have alternitives

[zealous violet]

Someone seems like they may be projecting a little here

[limber hull]

lmao

i mean, if you play deathmatch or sandbox, what's the issue?

[zealous violet]

Speaking of DM, I hope we get oned for Evrima too.

[limber hull]

you die in sandbox, you can come right back

[stark dust]

yea true

but people are just too salty to die in a sandbox mode

[zealous violet]

Right! I love DM for that reason. Its great for my ADD attention span.

[stark dust]

and complain to the admins and send death treats

(that happend to me when I went to iotf in legacy)

like its sandbox you dont loose anything

[zealous violet]

Sometimes people dont abide by the (sometimes) unspoken rule of 1v1s and thats kind of a jerk thing to do but DM isnt really set up for those kind of things either. Its just sorta a small, near empty map with dinos thrown in for you to do whatever. It probably was never intended as a DM server come to think about it.

[stark dust]

it wasnt

I would agree if** THERE WEARNT TOO MANY OF THEM**

[zealous violet]

to many of what?

[stark dust]

these types of people

and dont get me started on the clans my got they are just shit

[zealous violet]

cough
Aaaaaaanywho. I'm gonna go to bed now. Have a good one!

[barren zephyr]

if no DM
Sandbox

I honestly would love if they could add DM/Sandbox in.
And... once they add it.
They don't have to worry about it

to the extent of survival

[crimson phoenix]

based on the fact the devs dont want meta gaming i wouldn't be shocked if they put off sandbox as long as they could just to avoid testing happening

[zealous wind]

sandbox got already confirmed afaik

but when

https://tenor.com/view/eye-brows-look-stare-creep-creepy-gif-4711905

[outer sphinx]

iirc Fillipe or Punch said before the majority of dinos are added

[zealous wind]

yeah that totally narrows it down lmao

[outer sphinx]

well no matter what it still year we are talking about

[zealous wind]

oh you re generous rn

[outer sphinx]

well decades and centuries are still made from years

[barren zephyr]

@stable mica

#general-feedback message

ye this already happens

[stable mica]

Ahh Ight honestly I feel it could be more distinguishable

Maybe gore will help with showing how bled out somebody is

[hot inlet]

@barren zephyr they said fish will be addet to the oceans at one point

sniffing for fish would not work "realisticly" if then more sense would be that the ripples would be highlightet
Pteranodon using deatheye haha

[barren zephyr]

Definitely

[barren zephyr]

YES. Dinosaurs sweating blood and shit

[zealous violet]

Oof, you have a good point.

[paper oriole]

Imagine how annoying it would be if you were just some dino chilling at a great spot with food and a merc just tranqs your ass and drives you in a truck across the island and deposits you somewhere else for no reason lmao

[hot inlet]

but also really funny if you think it that way
and then they put up a ton of no mixpacking ,,no killing on sight and not shitting everywhere signs haha

[paper oriole]

Mercs shoveling dino shit peak gameplay

[zealous violet]

hehehehe oh what fun!
Tanqu darts shouldnt be easy to just randomly get either tho.
And even when tranqued you should be like how you are when your blinded. The screen is dark and fuzzy but you can still hear whats going on so your still immersed int the game itself.

[lavish quail]

Pretty interesting ngl

I imagine it would be easier to outright kill you

Also seems like too much effort

And probably very buggy

[signal beacon]

The dino should also be able to fight back so mercs cant just tranq dinos and bring them to carnivore friends. If only powerful groups had access to cages and tranqs then we would end up like bob where clans rule the game.

[zealous violet]

Maybe theres a reason for mercs to bring you back to their hideout? Like maybe they can sell you for $$$ so if you do end up on a ship off the island, it plays a little animation of the boat leaving with you on it then it just slowly fades out out like when your drowning then the You Died screen pops up cuz might as well assume your gonna get killed off the island for casholia.

[lavish quail]

Tranquilisers seem like a cool idea tho

[zealous violet]

Oh yeah! Like perhaps they tranq you and theres a short timer as your screen starts to darken where you can run away or hide or kill the mercs before your completely out cold.

[lavish quail]

then you could also have extreme doses of venom knock people out

[zealous violet]

heck yeah! Dinos retaliate!

[lavish quail]

Have a stroke like effect with it

so your dino starts drooping and becomes slower

[zealous violet]

Ohh yes! That sounds pretty cool!
And like, remember tranqs shouldnt be easy for mercs to get so this wouldnt be like, an everyday occurance. it should be fairly rare.

[lavish quail]

I imagine they would be good for escaping large creature attacks and punishing people for attacking ranger stations willy nilly

[signal beacon]

I would use tranqs to amass an army of smols then unleash them on a hotspot

[lavish quail]

Wouldnt like if you could pick stuff up tbf

[signal beacon]

Just yoink a hypsi off the floor

[lavish quail]

Maybe have cages that you can transport AI like chickens and boars in to feed the humans, while giving dinos a reward for attacking

[zealous violet]

lol im all jazzed over these ideas now!

[signal beacon]

Tranq a deino and drop it off on stego turf and get out some popcorn

[lavish quail]

yeah picking up players seems like it would have a lot of punishments tbf

Too much trolling

like imagine just placing like a cerato on a cliff edge

[zealous violet]

Cages should only be a one-use item tho come to think of it.
Which would make people using them to troll a lot more of a burden.
That way people arnt really willing to just do dumb stuff or troll people with an item that was not only hard to get and rare, but also has a one use only mechanic before the despawn timer starts.

[lavish quail]

I can see cages for AI but not players

Like you can go around and catch the AI by hand or by tranq and bring them back to base to cook

[stable mica]

I don’t think any player wants to be left unconscious or in a cage that would just be boring and frustrating

[lavish quail]

while also rewarding players for attacking

But players in the cage would probably have an awful time

and wouldnt likely be saved

[light meadow]

I think a breakout function would be fun, and having the family come to the rescue would be epic.

[hot inlet]

such stuff with players getting tranqut and so one you can have in Ark with the play as dino mod then you have ppl as dinos and normal players and there is nothign more annoying then getting knocket out and non stop keep like this or other stuff

[lavish quail]

It feels like it would be such a sick gamemode for primal carnage

but just doesnt feel like it would be nice to go through in the isle

[light meadow]

Besides i was thinking cages for game wardens, they actually dont want to hurt the dinos.

[lavish quail]

If you've played ark online, you know the feeling when they give you 999 narcotics in your inventory

[signal beacon]

But some random prick will

[lavish quail]

and force feed you that shit....

[light meadow]

I am not necessarily for tranqs in my opinion.

[zealous violet]

Thats why tranqs and cages would be rare, one-use only items that are extremely difficult to get. Like if we have a ranking system they should only be available to high ranking players and if we have a money system, make purchasing a cage shell out a large portion of your wallet.
This way it keeps people from being willy nilly trolls constantly and using the cage for dumb stuff as well as making the entire thing such as getting traqued and caged a rather rare occurance.

[lavish quail]

Tranqs for defence seem like they would work, and cages for AI too but just not for players

[lavish quail]

You forget that people can grow rexes for 6.5h to TK other rexes

There is alot of dedication to ruin other players experiences in gaming community's, and with this one its not looking great

[signal beacon]

Honestly I don't like the idea of a good merc. I feel like the should be projected as antagonists to the dinos.

[zealous violet]

Waddia mean?

But I like the idea of flash bombs for defense better than tranqs. I dont really have any good reason for that opinion tho.

[lavish quail]

I know people who would spent 9 hours straight just to ruin someone elses day

cages would be perfect for that

Plus humans are gonna be roguelike right?

[light meadow]

But youd break out if left there to rot

[lavish quail]

so it wouldn't be able to take more than 2 hours to get the best of the best stuff

[hot inlet]

then they put a troodon or dryo player in the cage

and it should break out ,,,an the same cage should hold a stego or deino ,rex ?

[lavish quail]

It just seems like an all round bad experience tho

Like you spent 4 hours growing say an Allo

then get caged and stuck in a stupid location

[zealous violet]

Ah I see. yeah there will always be people like that, but the majority of the playerbase isnt like that so much.
However thinking about it, if it did become something for unofficial servers to have admins add cages to player's inventory the same way they do grows and injections, that might be come troublesome.

[lavish quail]

I mean this is the isle were talking about

[zealous violet]

Exaclty. The cage itself should have a durability meter. otherwise it just wouldnt be fair to the dino player.

[lavish quail]

There is a surprising amount of racists in this dinosaur game...

[light meadow]

I dont think people would be able to cage small animal in a rex cage. They would fit through the bars.

[signal beacon]

Sadly the majority of the playerbase IS like that

[zealous violet]

haha yeah thats true. But you gotta have the dark to appreciate the light in some things. No work no play and all that.

[hot inlet]

then you would need so many diffrent cage models /cages to fit for most of the rooster
small ,medium ,big ,, long ,thin etc

[zealous violet]

Ive been on here for years and I dont think so. I think its more dependent on YOU as a player, who you play with and what servers you frequent.

[light meadow]

Yeah, lots of diffent cages.

[zealous violet]

I did think about that... I think XL dinos like rexes shouldnt get cages since that would need to be massive and the vehicle big too.
I think cages should only fit mid-tier and smaller dinos.

XL dinos should get something else, maybe something thats not moving but is stationary.

[signal beacon]

The thing I'm afraid of is by the time this is out the game will be much bigger and inevitably attract huge nerd clans who will use this to ruin it cause their parents didn't hug them enough ig

[zealous violet]

Like perhaps- (not this is getting into helicopters and such) a helicopter can bring a XL cage in- or maybe a different kind of trap. Or even a XL cage thats pre-built in one space that the mercs can run through to lead the XL dino into as they squeeze out the other end like how a racoon trap works.

[lavish quail]

You see humans Have a great opportunity if evrima is made the main branch as soon as possible. Humans have something no other survival game has right now and that's players to deal with. People aren't predictable so when they go to do things they got to be careful. They wont be able to build random bases like in most survival games but will be able to repair set bases. They give a roguelike experience that no other survival game can. They give the player base an opertunity to grow as large as possibly arks, But they gotta focus on core mechanics rather than things that could be cool in theory but would be hard to make and cost precious time

I Dont know what i said tbh

[light meadow]

This is always a risk with anything.

[lavish quail]

im slightly drunk as of rn

[hot inlet]

sadly true
i remember ppl on legacy meeting on fridey to grow a dilo just to kos rexes for no reason other then being bored

[zealous violet]

Clans are so easy to avoid tbh. But by the time this stuff comes out IF it ever even does, we will all be long dead XD

[zealous violet]

Watcha drinkin?

[lavish quail]

Irish wiskey :p

[zealous violet]

Ohhh yummy. -grabby hands- Its about that time to start whippin out the hot toddies.

[lavish quail]

:p

[signal beacon]

How are they easy to avoid? Bob would love to know that

[zealous violet]

Bob?

[lavish quail]

Bob released diets two weeks after isles stress test

[hot inlet]

beast of bermuda

[signal beacon]

Beasts of Bermuda. It's a dino game practically owned by clans

[lavish quail]

Its the first isle clone

and the only steady one

[zealous violet]

Ohhhh. Well for starters, I dont play that. X3 The isle and RDR2 (and Dont starve together) are really the only things I play.

[lavish quail]

Play dead by daylight you would enjoy it

[zealous violet]

Oh! I did play that one a little while back, but I didnt finish it.

And Dying Light and Spongebob and I Am Bread- I do have games but The Isle is my home.

[hot inlet]

i also play RDR2 but now after my 4 play trough i just enjoy sometimes watchign the AI do theyr rthign there you know the Birds actually take baths in the game ? haha

[lavish quail]

RDR2 has such cool mechanics

[zealous violet]

Right! Like that shit is amazing. Everything is interactive. Im trying RDR2 online right now. Gonna make myself into a trader.

Get me a snazzy little wagon

[lavish quail]

Toxic community warning in advance

[zealous violet]

Oh? I thought you couldnt speak with other players on there?
But just like in real life, I stick to the woods and avoid other people XD

[hot inlet]

i love in the game that they implimentet real stuff like Bears will not attack you if you dont run or attack them they will jsut roar at you for some time then leave you alone

[signal beacon]

Is day of dragons still a thing? I heard it's just festering with clans now

[lavish quail]

Pretty sure its dead cause of lack of development and clans

kinda like the isle rn

[zealous violet]

hisssssss You wanna talk about scudzy devs! DOD is where its at. BLEH!

[signal beacon]

Why do people make clans anyway?

[zealous violet]

Money stealin, lyin, thievin' no good some of a cockatoo.

[signal beacon]

Like woo hoo you killed a game congrats?

[lavish quail]

To be toxic i believe

~~Or to play rust ~~

[signal beacon]

And there always named XxbloodwolfgodxX or something

[zealous violet]

The same reason people form groups.
Humans are social animals and want to feel wanted and like they have a place. Clans are not inherently bad, its what becomes of them that does.
Its kinda like drugs in that way. Drugs are not inherently evil, its your association with them that defines the relationship.

[lavish quail]

Eh a lot of drugs are definitely evil

[zealous violet]

Or like, a simple kitchen knife is not bad or evil. But they can be used to stab a person or cut some delicious home made bread.

[lavish quail]

Also correlating to clans

[hot inlet]

well but compared to like Wasps ,Ants and such stuff who will work together and dont over do it
Humans are the oposite even in a group they always want more fame and stuff then the others of theyr own group

[zealous violet]

As someone who has taken many drugs in the past, I can say very comfortably that drugs are not evil- but people are individuals and have free will. Its what they do with it that defines them. Some people are just fine- but the unfortunate thing is more people are not.

[zealous violet]

Thats because humans are not insects, we dont have a hive mentality.
We are mammals and even just looking at mammalian groups like wolves or orca, they also can form individualistic groups with different vibes.

For instance, the 'Bear Guy' up in alaska who was killed had two different bear groups. The first he could chill with and even touch. But the 2nd group was more toxic and thats the group that killed him and his GF.
people are like that too. Individuals.

And to be absolutely fair and to quote a little from Men In Black, "A person is smart, but people are dumb panicky animals."
Clans are like that too I think.

[hot inlet]

actually Ants and co dont have the whole hive mentality
when you mark certain ants you can easily see that they also have all theyr own intrest and mentality
some are braver then others some like to dig others will never dig in theyr entire life
there can be even instances where some bring food back and others will throw it away cause they think its not good /food

the thing why it works for them so way better then for humans is
humans can and will be selfish
but most animals dont

[zealous violet]

Ahh this is the quality content I crave so much in these kind of conversations.

You make a good point and I did forget that about ants. I think I had it in my head while I was originally typing the whole thing about people not being productive and upset at themselves for it but were reminded that we are not insects but rather mammals who are more prone to being lazy if they can be.
So I was close but not quite there, haha.

[paper oriole]

Harpto seems redundant when they could simply give ptera a diving ability

Or Harpacto whatever

Another pterosaur with the same diet as ptera would be a huge waste

[hot inlet]

any animal can be a brick to others or just being a lazy fu XDD if it wants too

[hot inlet]

Pteroaustro ? i think was it would be quite unique
cause it would be filterfeeding

[paper oriole]

Pterodaustro is pretty small but he is more unique than herpacto or whatever

Mesadactylus and tupandactylus both seem like they could be more unique than another fisher

An omnivore or herbivore flyer would be nice since carnis are pampered with flyers and good aquatics while herbivores get jack shit

[hot inlet]

was there even a herbivore flying reptile ? i never looked to much into it
but as much as i know all where "carnivores"

[manic flint]

Tupundactylus was a herbivore

They ate fruit
The ones that look similar to tapejara and the like

[paper oriole]

Tupan was likely an omnivore but it can be made in to a frugivore

[hot inlet]

somehow getting a smaller kind of Pterosaur and giving it an livestyle like a Frigatebird would be quite funny and unique
like soaring over the island and attacking /harassing other flyers to get theyr catch

[paper oriole]

Somebody suggested one for that i dont remember which one tho

[hot inlet]

i actually would like to see Ichtyornis as AI who will kind off Harass Flyers

like 1 or 2 will be skittish and fly away but when theyr more they will go on the offensive

and seeing how bad Seagulls can get with this

[paper oriole]

Thalassodromeus, that was the one

Somebody had the idea of it whacking pteras out of the sky as a hunting method

[hot inlet]

somehow this guy dont looks like the most advanced flyer it kinda looks more like the im a crane i will stalk through the lawn

[paper oriole]

lol maybe, it was the one from the suggestion though im 99% certain

Know who i really like

[hasty dagger]

HASANDONG

[paper oriole]

Yes the LAD

Zhenyuanopterus is also there, larger relative

Honestly just combine the two and have him rip the shit out of other flyers

[hasty dagger]

Toothy pterosaurs my beloved

[paper oriole]

I love their big ol snaggleteeth

An “own-eater” who hunts pteras, ptera the fish eater, quetz the small prey glass cannon and a frugivore like tupan would be a nice flyer/glider selection

[hot inlet]

Leptostomia would also fit cause i could see this guy on the beaches searching for clams or in the swamp for worms and stuff

[paper oriole]

Was be the guy with the tweezer beak

One sec

Ohh he is

[hot inlet]

he would be quite unique and cauld be funny in a way like looking for grubs in trees and clams and stuff near rivers and shores

[paper oriole]

An insectivore could be pretty cool as long as he has predators who would profit from the effort

Like looking at something like archaeopteryx, hes basically one potato chip worth of food, a hard potato chip to get

[hot inlet]

well if you add him like an insectivore who really have grubs in his died who only can get it from trees and have to "peck" or so (like digigng for roots) could make it prey for herrera and this ptera is as big as an turkey so it would be woth at least a bit

[paper oriole]

Lepto is turkey sized? Could work the. Yeah

[hot inlet]

yes what i read about it its turkey size (bit bigger)

[swift dew]

this just sounds like ptera

[lyric spoke]

where u get this

[paper oriole]

The doc in feedback

Its a reduntant animal, we don’t need another flying piscivore when pteranodon can just be expanded

[swift dew]

#general-feedback message

the link in the suggestion

[thorny lynx]

I haven't played the game in several months but judging on everything I have seen in bug reports, feedback, etc...

I am terrified for this game.

[paper oriole]

Wat

[manic flint]

They've been playing too much ark

[frozen heron]

Tbf, its hard to have an opinion if you havent experienced the recent version

[barren zephyr]

He's kinda right

You gotta experience it firsthand to accurately determine and justify fears

Though the game is pretty shitty now, so he still wouldn't be wrong

[paper oriole]

I can still have fun despite the bugs when im playing ptera. The game gets broken but theres usually at least some pieces that are still salvageable

It is kinda disheartening hearing about a new problem every day tho ngl

[ember egret]

is there some sort of game user settings to make sure the isle is running my cpu at the correct ammount of cores?

[lyric spoke]

anyone know if NA 1 is back up?

[zealous violet]

Im on it right now. 78 people were on when I hopped on.

[rich wigeon]

if anyone runs across a ptera corprse in a pit, don't go for it

be careful around sw cliffs, some "black holes"

you will get stuck

[barren zephyr]

@stark dust you know why albino animals are rare? It is because they have a very hard time surviving as they lack any protection against UV radiation (and this means skin cancer)

[stark dust]

its a video game not accuracy

I just think it would be a good future

[ebon girder]

@supple fox Your computer isnt that good, but i think you can expect that some day, you will be able to run this game on low-mid with playable fps

[barren zephyr]

(Kinda old)
I would agree that mud pools seem to be few and far between, I've only seen two, idek if there's more or not

[safe galleon]

<@&401466542140817419>

[lavish quail]

Wha

why??

[gritty helm]

You underestimate how dedicated to trolling some people are cause I would totally just fuck around with people and watch chaos unfold

[safe galleon]

nitro scam link

[lavish quail]

Ah makes sense

[light meadow]

I am thinking it would not be that easy to use them at all.

Remember its not a magic capsule that just pops out of pocket and a appears as a 4'W, 4'H, 6'L cage on on the ground (and thats a small one). You would need a large transport vehicle to carry them. You would need something at least the size of a semi for a apex cage. Dinos would see you from a huge distance. I think any player with a quarter of a brain isn't going in the trap to get the bait. This would be more foolish than going to the center river to feed on a dead fish thats been placed 1 foot from the waters edge.

[spice shell]

then it would be almost pointless and far too easily exploited

[light meadow]

Originally i was think of this as an example equipment that a theoretical game warden could be used to help dino players. I was thinking health check ups, nutrient infusion, injury repair, at the cost of your free time.

[spice shell]

probably better to just have your game warden in a static position and let dino's choose to be helped or not rather than just creating a way for trolls or even player with good intentions from ruining someone elses game by essentially kidnapping them.

[light meadow]

Good point.
What do you think of having a cage truck to transport AI animals into the wild. Like a food truck.

[severe idol]

@chilly bough
It's not. Contact a yellow named Official Server Admin.

[paper oriole]

What it looks like to not follow any game info and plans

[zealous violet]

Yall wanna explain why you dont like the idea of walling like before? im curious because I dont see why anyone wouldnt want that except for perhaps it was easier for prey to get away.

[limber hull]

literal exact opposite of what is planned

[zealous violet]

Thats... They are asking this game to be more like a competitors game?

[hoary dawn]

how? that looks like exactly what is planned. human and dino survival

[limber hull]

no it isnt

its absolutely not like primal carnage

mercs literally won't even be able to stomach dino meat

[hoary dawn]

who said anything about mercs eating dino meat

[limber hull]

hell, mercs likely wont even start with guns

[hoary dawn]

the person is saying "like primal carnage" in reference to adding humans, since they don't seem to know humans are planned

[paper oriole]

was he suggesting that humans eat dinosaurs? i read it as humans living alongside dinosaurs that eat dinosaurs as well as eating the humans

armed humans are planned (like primal carnage) and they will be in the survival setting (like the suggestion) and dinosaurs are gonna kick their asses

[hoary dawn]

that's how i read it as well

[limber hull]

@wild verge pretty sure minmi is a herbi with aquatic tendencies

[wild verge]

ohh didnt know that

[limber hull]

teno is also apparently shifting more into a river-side animal, and beipi is an omni, along with cherius, who would both eat aquatic plants

[wild verge]

ohhh cool

tbh ive always loved aquatic herbis idk what it is

[meager tiger]

teno might be semi aquatic

but it would be nice have a underwater hulk that runs on the river floor as a niche. Maybe eat the underwater plants?

wait the Goosezilla already does that

but isnt goosezilla a ominvore

[paper oriole]

i want plateosaurus to snag the lurdusaurus type niche, have wanted it for a while tbh

[meager tiger]

Plateosaur the first triassic dino

Plateosaur > Magy

[paper oriole]

honestly yeah he is so much better than magy

tfw the prosauropod is better than one of the sauropods

[paper oriole]

ugh no thanks to the rain debuff shit from BoB getting in to the isle

i hate that so much

[bleak atlas]

[meager tiger]

Last time I checked frogs, lizards, snakes don't just collapse and die when they are cold lol

And the thing about large giant beasts on a tropical island

It should be the other way if anything. Too much Heat. That's why elephants have big ass giant ears. As volume and mass grow far faster than surface area

[outer sphinx]

the fact that dinosaurs dont even work like reptiles

[meager tiger]

And a giant T-rex is much bigger than a elephant

and it lived in far hotter planet

[barren zephyr]

yes, and dinosaurs are also endothermic to varying degrees (depending on the grouping)

[paper oriole]

Imagine having to choose between being punished by diet because you are an herbivore who needs a food thats out in the open, or being punished because its raining

Just forced to pick a poison, doesnt sound fun at all. Just another boring thing to juggle

[lapis tree]

Some of the larger ones were probably Mesotherms

[zealous violet]

I thought the newest speculation was that large dinos such as rex may have actually been warm blooded?

[lavish quail]

@indigo spindle Censoring scums?

scams?

fr tho what

[indigo spindle]

nobody will ever know

[barren zephyr]

Hey, I've a question you all, since the argument again feathers on raptors is often only a marketing around jurassic park, do the majority of people prefer truly to have featherless dromaeosauridaes in games ?

[outer sphinx]

personaly, yes

[light meadow]

I really wish it was optional. Like a different skin.

[full torrent]

I can't post another for awhile, but I had a friend talk with me about the feathered dinosaurs like Hypsi and oviraptor, and the idea of hitting the tail hitbox for the first time possibly resulting in the feathers just being stripped off and giving the predator a mouthful of feathers instantly of just instantly flattening you. It would only be a chance of it happening., and they would have to grow back after it occurred.

That'd probably too many mechanics for hypsi, but I feel like that'd be a good "special" for oviraptor, to make it an annoying burglar with a possible escape while raiding nest.

[light meadow]

I think that would be a fun protection feature for some of the small dinos. That gives them a chance get away from a charging preditor that got the jump on them.

[full torrent]

I also think it would make oviraptor have a way to have a lifeline when basically it's entire shtick is "going behind enemy lines" and trying to steal eggs from a pissed momma utah/carno

[light meadow]

I agree, they inherently have a very risky lifestyle, with little in the way of health to take even a weak attack.

[full torrent]

It'd be funny if it was a mesh and the oviraptor was stripped of its tail feathers and like missing patches of feathers, it just returns to its oviraptor buddies egg in hand like "I made it" looking like he got ran over by a bus

[light meadow]

I think oviraptor could easily become one of the most hated dinos. As soon as one raids your nest the first time, people will have a grudge against those little guys.

[light meadow]

That would be rather funny

[gritty helm]

Feathers can be just a cosmetic thing as long as the animal in question has both

-correct wrist posture

-paleo accurate feathering, cause why not go all the way yknow?

[light meadow]

Also, are they putting lips on the all the dinos that had them? Teeth hanging out is just looking weirder and weirded to me personally.

[torn arch]

The game will not work

[sleek terrace]

servers crashed?

[torn arch]

Will not let me pass the screen

Or this appears

[obtuse obsidian]

crashed or under maintenance

[zealous violet]

Then it shouldnt be a crash if its for maintenance.

[obtuse obsidian]

wasn't there to see it m8 just a suggestion

[zealous violet]

ahh I see. All good. I just tried to hop on and I dont even see any servers

[obtuse obsidian]

ive been waiting 😭

[zealous violet]

Same! But im not holding my breath for anything speedy. I just hope they dont reset them again. This would be the 4th or 5th time losing a full grown teno to a server reset haha

[obtuse obsidian]

it really do be like that 😦 eventually theyll fix some shit and the update will be released making the game actually savable!

then onto the rest

[zealous violet]

big oof. 'eventually' being the big key word right here.

[obtuse obsidian]

well the new patch is coming out in the next week or shorter. hopefully fixing the food spawning issues and locations all around the map so everyone isnt confined to center

and nerfing and buffing dinos

[zealous violet]

Food spawning issues? Like the coconuts? Or was there something else I might not be aware of? I know a lot of people were having trouble with radishes, but I think thats more to do with the dumb compass and the fact theres absolutely zero visual indicators for them.

[obtuse obsidian]

the melons barely spawn. The last time i found them it was like all the melons on the server spawned in that same spot

ive seen people mention it before as well

[zealous violet]

ahhh yes I see. I do recall that happening once. They showed up as a solid green circle on my compass

[meager tiger]

Duckzilla isnt a herbivore?

I thought it was a ominvore

[zealous violet]

is duckzilla actually a real animal or is it just the peeps on discord talking about like a hypo duck or something?

[meager tiger]

Duckzilla

[limber hull]

that's just joe's weird name for deinocherius apparently lmao

[zealous violet]

ohhh okay. Cuz I was legit concerned ya'll were gonna say its the name of a real dino XD

[limber hull]

no one else says it but him lmao

i have no idea why he says it, no one knows what he's talking about till he explains the joke lmao

[zealous violet]

lol I guess ive only ever seen his messages then.

Ugh, I wish there was a way we could bloody tell what other dinos are currently on the server. Its so dang lonesome most of the time.

[severe lintel]

Hi all, just wanted to ask, if therte are server Online for QA. just logged in after some time, and can't find any

[barren zephyr]

no eu server, only american and australian

I'm forced to play on an american server, maybe hit the "hide empty" to see them

[severe lintel]

any way i can change my positioning? can't find a dropdown^^

[barren zephyr]

dropdown?

[severe lintel]

hide empty did help

[barren zephyr]

ye, idk why but you see servers that are not in your close region with the "hide empty"

[severe lintel]

thanks for helping, i will look into it, but i don't think that this ping will be enjoyable XD

[barren zephyr]

if u are in europe like me you might have lags, especially on australia, currently I'm fine, exploring the map as a ptera on the american one

np

[paper oriole]

Adding some 5min cd to 1 call just punishes the people who don't use it for spamming purposes

[signal beacon]

Besides it's nice when carnos spam 1 call cause if you have more than 7 IQ you'd know to avoid them.

[limber hull]

exactly

its like carnos are telling you where not to go

[signal beacon]

Most of the time they are celebrating killing a hypsi or something lmao

[limber hull]

lmao

15 carnos screaming at the top of their lungs after killing a single 50% utah

[signal beacon]

I've seen carnos face tank a poor teno the scream like they soloed a stego

[limber hull]

in legacy, you'd seldom hear carnos because they knew better than to alert apexes to their position. Hopefully that fear of bigger things will help hinder 1 call spam

[signal beacon]

Troodon is the only animal I see spam calling for the same reason dilos spam call in legacy

[limber hull]

Okay but their call sounds cool as fuck

So that's a reasonable excuse

[signal beacon]

Rex mains when allos can touch them in legacy

[lavish quail]

What a scumbag

insulting magy like that

[stable mica]

Prolly won’t

Especially with animals like carno and Utah the 1 call spam won’t change if it’s a slow animal that knows it can’t get away from an apex then yeah they’ll be quiet

[paper oriole]

I use 1 call to find my friends as ptera and we 1 call each minute or 30sec sometimes before we finally meet and then we are mostly silent. Would be a bit annoying to have some CD stopping us

[nimble vapor]

not the dinosaurs, but the players, both dinos have questionable players

utah players are generally weird or wont shut up, and carno players are generally dumb, nubs or both

[paper oriole]

Yes let me eat rocks and random human equipment

[unreal ridge]

it is , it ate fish and plants

[stable mica]

Idm the spam calling the vocal decay with each major call key is good enough I don’t think we should punish people for calling anymore then they already are

[light meadow]

Im questioning Spinos role as an Apex preditor in game. Fossil evidence shows that Spinos jaws were even more adapted for fish than either Baryonyx or Sucho. Its jaws couldn't handle lateral stresses, meaning it probably didn't bother with land animals of even medium size. Furthermore its extremely tall neural spines made it more vulnerable to having its back broken if it did fight anything.

Am I being to critical of the mythical battle Spino that we have grown up with?

[paper oriole]

They turned it in to a generic movie monster so its probably fine

[lavish quail]

It looks cool as a big scary thing

[light meadow]

I thought they wanted to go a little more realistic with Evrima.

[paper oriole]

not really. neuro spino was supposed to manipulate weather like some lizard wizard

thats not very realistic

[sacred moat]

i dont think the isle has ever been a realism game or really tried to be realistic

[paper oriole]

i think they try to abide by logic within boundaries but they definitely aren't going for realism

[sacred moat]

^

[paper oriole]

our utah already looks and acts very unrealistically from its irl counterpart. our carno can charge in to other animals without wrecking its neck. our tenonto is on steroids

[sacred moat]

spino is just giga but better

[light meadow]

I was hoping that they will give a different skin option for Utah to look feathered.
I think Tento will get rebalanced later on once there are more dinos in the roster.

[paper oriole]

afaik feathered variants are still planned

tenonto should still be on steroids as the roster expands though it kinda needs to be in order to be viable

tenonto is one of the most well done fictionalized dino designs in the isle

[light meadow]

I like Tentos design and function aswell. I was thinking slight reduction like 10- 15% effectiveness.
I dont want to see them smack it with the nerf bat. Your right no one would play it

[paper oriole]

why tho

the roster around his niche will still function

dont think addng more to the roster warrants nerfs to animals who are alreay placed in their niche at lower brackets

utah and tenonto already have their niches set

tenonto is also the only brawler iguanadont and the only animal of its type in its tier

unlike qa carno who seems to be covering two niches right now

[light meadow]

Fair point. I do think that dino popularity and and population density is affecting the dynamics aswell. I think the Tento has be strong now, because of how popular Utah and Carno are. I think once bigger slower Apexs are in. They will have speed as a very strong defense from a lot of players.

[paper oriole]

utah and carno will still function the same, as well as there being more low and psuedo mid tier predators in that tenonto will still need to contend with

well, im sure carno wont function the same, but utah

utah is already niched as a scaling pack hunter that overwhelms and wears down prey. we'll also have dilo, we'll have troodon, mono, herrera, rugops, megalania, cerato

not to mention mid tiers like allo

which tenonto wont be able to fight at adult but subs of mid tiers bunch in to animals it may have to fight

[terse stratus]

#general-feedback message
So true like the utah while sitting is constantly screaming tbh

[tepid gate]

Utah looks inaccurate - it doesn't look "unrealistic". There's a difference between these two terms and I think they often get conflated. Utah is inaccurate in that it doesn't look or behave like its real life counterpart. The same goes for Spino but that doesn't mean it's not "realistic" - the animal sort of behaves in a way that doesn't really break any suspension of disbelief. Now, if I were to give an example of something that would be unrealistic I'd go with: "If Spino ends up jumping like Utah" that would be unrealistic.

There's more examples of that but a lot of them are caused by balance.

Imo the game should be as "realistic" as possible, it doesn't however have to be accurate(although it would be nice to base the animals on their irl counterparts as much as possible).

[paper oriole]

it isnt a realistic representation of the actual animal

i didnt say it couldnt realistically exist, but it isnt a realistic representation

[barren zephyr]

but why real utahraptor.

[paper oriole]

it isnt a utahraptor, it isnt a spinosaurus, it is something else that carries the same name

[tepid gate]

It's "inaccurate". When you say that it's unrealistic it sounds like such animal couldn't possibly exist for some reason(which we have such animals on the roster :cough: Acro)

[paper oriole]

real utahraptor would be pretty unviable in the isle

[tepid gate]

Yea that's why they're inaccurate

[barren zephyr]

remember, AE is based off the 90s/80s
so these dinosaurs are mostly 90s adaptions of dinosaurs we know

[tepid gate]

Agreed about the irl Utah

It wouldn't be a good playable

[barren zephyr]

^

[tepid gate]

half of the roster would just bully the poor thing

[barren zephyr]

lol

hard reality

[paper oriole]

thats just your opinion then, because realistic representation can mean accurate to real life, a faithful rendering of the object it is based on

[light meadow]

I disagree, real life Utah was a very strong ambush preditor. With a very robust build.

[paper oriole]

the real utah and real tenonto would be fodderized in the isle

[paper oriole]

in its own ecosystem maybe

[tepid gate]

...that was very slow at the same time while being many times smaller than far more powerful and faster predators than we have on our roster

[paper oriole]

but it isnt in its own ecosystem. it is contending with other predators who were apexes in their respectful real world ecosystems, it needed a niche change

[tepid gate]

it would literally get pulverized by the first Allo/Alberto/Carno that would come its way

[barren zephyr]

sarcasm

[paper oriole]

if utah was slow and bulky for its tier it would get fodderized by psuedo mids and mids

[tepid gate]

Was that sarcasm? That comment wasn't wrong technically

[barren zephyr]

Yes, but in the context of The Isle

[tepid gate]

It's just that those qualities while working well in its real life environment wouldn't give be enough in the ecosystem of the game

Irl Utah would likely get turned into salami even by a Dilo which is a larger animal that can also move some 8+ km/h faster

Having said that - I wouldn't mind if they put some more "mass" on our Utah model

[paper oriole]

real life utah's niche is probably partially getting grabbed by cerato who is bulkier and can hold its ground better because of that

[tepid gate]

It does look like a completely malnourished rat

Utah is bulkier than irl Cerato I think, it's just smaller in absolute terms

[paper oriole]

well, more mass i guess is the right term

[tepid gate]

as in - it's the more robust out of the two animals at parity, the issue is that this wouldn't be a fight at parity

yea, precisely, Cerato's just far more massive in absolute numbers

(not to mention Carno which is even larger)

[light meadow]

While i do beleave IRL Dakota Raptor would be a better fit for the isles ecosystem, due to its extreme speed and proportionly larger claw. I dont think that a grappling focused Utah Raptor is inherently a bad fit.

[tepid gate]

The thing is that TI Utah kind of already does the grappling? It just does so against animals its size and smaller than itself

[paper oriole]

Isle actually had a dakota buried in its database way back iirc

[tepid gate]

The problem is how that Utah would actually grapple with carnivores 4 times bigger than itself that can simply run it down in a straight line

Don't get me wrong - I like the irl Utah far better than what we have in the game as an animal

[paper oriole]

Irl utah doesnt have agility on its side for escape too

[tepid gate]

I'm just afraid that it wouldn't be very good(as a playable)

[paper oriole]

Fake utah can launch itself up rocks and over dinos like a kangaroo on crack. Real utah wouldn’t be able to do that

So while carno can even run current utah down in a like, utah can juke

[stoic cipher]

did they give up evrima or.....?

no update on evrima still

[paper oriole]

lol no

They literally have a patch set to roll out in qa soon they’ve said what is in it

[stoic cipher]

oh ok I was confused

[stoic cipher]

thanks

[paper oriole]

Development in this game often gets kinda slow but they do still roll out updates

[stoic cipher]

so they try their patch on qa and it will come on evrima eventually?

[paper oriole]

Yeah thats what qa us

Its a test so they can iron out issues like the horrible balance changes they made before it hits live and everybody is forced to play with the changes

[light meadow]

Your absolutely correct in the context of the way that the isle has been balanced.

I think that brings up a larger point about balance. If a dino can't out run what it can't fight, then its considered not viable. In real life we see animals over come this very same dilemma with stealth, mobility, and living in environments that are very inaccessible to larger faster opponents. Some examples are things like the mountain goats that live on cliffs that are so steep that even mountain lions cant follow them. Another example could be all the sea life that live in dense coral reefs so that the faster stronger preditors like sharks and tuna cant get access to them.

If the devs included more areas with densely packed vegitation, it would be a discouragement to mid tier and up.

Making dinos that can quickly climb and descend steep slopes would give a huge advantage to them in the mountains.

Perhaps there could be wetlands, marshes, and bogs that slow down the movement of any dinos that are not adapted to it (This could be the perfect environment for Spinosaurids and Hadrosaurids).

Then the devs could include more dinos that dont have to be the fastest or strongest thing ever. They can occpy a niche in their own environment.

[frail anvil]

cerato being like a honey badger in the isle sounds like a cool ass idea

[limber hull]

That's their plan for it

[frail anvil]

hope they use meatsaulce's ideas

[spice shell]

i hope the cerato still has the run that makes it look like a naughty dog that just stole something out of the trash XD

[hasty dagger]

@cloud mango #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[cloud mango]

@hasty dagger thanks

[zealous violet]

If it doesnt, then whats the point of even living!

https://tenor.com/view/drama-queen-dramatic-fall-gif-21300890

[sacred moat]

thats their plan.....but i seriously dont see it happening

[lavish quail]

whats wrong with honey badger carno?

[sacred moat]

Carno?

everything would be wrong with honey badger carno

even though honey badger cera sounds good it doesnt fit our current cera. Honey badgers are relatively slow animals compared to the rest of the African fauna. Their main defense is their skin which is very resistant to slash and piercing attacks which allows it to sometimes survive encounters with lions slapping them around. Cerato however is on the faster side of the spectrum in the isle's carnivorous roster. Whatever can outright maul a cerato to death like allo, alberto or a sucho, a cerato can easily out run it. Point being, cerato doesnt need slash/piercing resistant skin like a honey badger because cerato can outrun all of its major threats, unlike a honey badger.

its only real potential predators could be carno because carno can run it down, and maybe utah

but then again even a 950 kg cerato(which is most likely the smallest size cerato we'll get) would still be more than twice the weight of a utah

[light meadow]

I think that a lot of people want to see changes from the current Cerato.

[sacred moat]

changes such as?

even if we get a 1200kg cerato, my point still stands, cerato will just outrun all of its major threats

and will only make utahs and dilos even less of a threat

the honey badger role should be reserved for mono

it would make a lot more sense

mono should be able to have piercing skin/slashing damage resistance due to things like utah, dilo, troodon, herrera, and velo all being threats to it

ceratos only real threat is a carno

[light meadow]

Sorry for the delay, my three month old is needing attention.

I think that there is other was of increasing Ceratos combat ability than just giving it bonkers stats. I have been making that case more than just making it artificially heavy.
Value can be added to its survivability by giving it venom resistance like ( like badgers) , good maneuverability (like badgers), good bleed resistance ( like badges), above average movement speed when injured (like badgers).

[sacred moat]

we dont know ceratos combat ablilties yet. all we know is that it'll range from 950kgs-1200kgs in weight and the devs want to push it off as a carcass bully

[light meadow]

Im just making the case for more creative balancing.

[sacred moat]

that sounds ✨ Broken ✨

[light meadow]

Preferred environment should be balancing factor imo.

1. Dinos with a high maneuverability and maybe an "auto navigate around obstruction" feature could easily escape faster stronger opponents in dense jungle or mangroves.
2. Marshlands could reduce the speed of dinos that are not adapted to it.
3. Fast ascending and safe descending dinos could rule the mountains.

[sacred moat]

So not only can cerato out run all of its most dangerous predators, you want it to then be resistant to bleed/injury damage/vemon, whilst its also being portrayed as a powerful swimmer.

literally god

[light meadow]

No, i dont want that. These are just ideas.

[sacred moat]

well ive explained why it being portayed as a honey badger is a bad idea

[light meadow]

Thats fine. The devs have refered to it as the honey badger of the isle, and a portion of the community isnt happy with its current balance with Carno and Allo in particular. Im just spit balling ideas here on possible ways to fix Certos niche a bit, while taking inspiration from modern day badgers.

[sacred moat]

its balance with allo? Allo cant even catch a cerato. Carno is literally the only carnivorous dino that will give cerato headaches

and thats only because carno is a brawler demon atm, but apparently its getting reworked in balance patch so i wont rant too much until i see the new carno after the balance patch

cerato doesnt need a niche fix? it literally does not need any more buffs than what it has. Its a walking garbage disposal who's main threat is a carno. If we give it all of these bleed/venom/injurgy damage resistance buffs, cerato will become a brain dead dinosuar to play.

[light meadow]

I understand your concern, if it had grood stats and all of those features it would be op.

[lavish quail]

At least let it eat literal human trash tho L:p

[signal beacon]

That should be used when it has something in its mouth. I wanna see this lil shit run off with food like that lmao

[light meadow]

That would make taking out the trash more exciting for the humans.
"Watch out for the raccoons"

[sacred moat]

that would depend on whats inside of the trash

i dont really see cerato getting anything good from trash

think about whats inside of trash

the most it would maybe get out from eating human trash would be a couple dozen bones?

but i dont think a few dozen chicken boats would do a cerato any good

[light meadow]

Maybe it would get food but no nutrients

So we would have "trash/hobo Certos"

[sacred moat]

what food though? unless humans are throwing away atleast 30lbs of untouched food

cerato isnt getting any food from it

[light meadow]

Medical station?

[sacred moat]

like i said the most it would get would likely be bones

why would your medical station food be in the garbage

[light meadow]

Hospitals have a lot of organic waste in their trash.

If it was a dino clinic, you could have dead dino waste in there

[sacred moat]

right, multi story hospital buildings. Not one level buildings that are fit to be maintained by 12 mercs

[sacred moat]

what is dead dino waste??

[light meadow]

Like a feild clinic or vet, that had a patient die.

[sacred moat]

i dont think that the mercs are keeping dead dinosaur bodies in their trash stations

that would literally attract things exactly like cerato to them

[light meadow]

I think that would an easy suspension of disbelief like bald Utah, or a Spino that fights land animals.

[sacred moat]

logically and conceptually that wouldnt make any sense. thats like filling up your garbage bag with fish and leaving it at your front door, whilst living in a bear sighting area.

why would the mercs leave dinosuar bodies out when you have things like a trex that wouldnt mind breaking through their defenses to to eat a scrumptious para thats prekilled

and thats just only the dinosaurs

im not even including cannibals into the scenario

[light meadow]

Your right. Im just toying around with a funny gameplay idea.
This game vasilates back and forth between serious realism, and unrealistic fantasy. So i dont think it hurts to joke around about a dumpster diving Certo.

[sacred moat]

im not even arguing on the basis of realism vs fanatsy. Its just dumb to leave food on your front door when there carnivores in the area. especially giant mega fauna

[white ruin]

where is EU 4 on Evrima?

[sacred moat]

dumpter diving should be done by creatures no bigger than a troodon

[lavish quail]

@terse hornet really want mf's to spawn as a fish

Be good if it was only for like 10 minutes for each dino

[terse hornet]

I would honestly be amazed if someone managed to die as all the dinosaurs within reasonably set cooldowns once the entire roster is in. That's like over 50 dinosaurs

[signal beacon]

@terse hornet Amazing feedback absolutely the best take

[lavish quail]

Fr want a fish though

[swift dew]

also, if we ever get steam acheivements for this game, "spawn as a fish" should be one of them

[sacred moat]

@terse hornet i see where you were going with it. But maybe not a fish? I rather play as any other AI than as a fish

[signal beacon]

Bad take

[sacred moat]

thats your opinion

[terse hornet]

That's mainly why it's an idea. It doesn't have to be fish but some ai can be dangerous and I don't think people should be given the option to play aggressive ai

[signal beacon]

The right one

[terse hornet]

so I chose fish as they are basically the most harmless ai

but frogs and chicken could probably also work

[sacred moat]

hmm yeah thats true

imagine playing as a boar though

and you wreck some juvi carnos day

[terse hornet]

someone will probably mod that in honestly. I bet one of the first mods for the game is gonna be "playable ai mod"

[drifting salmon]

Is the servers down?

[hoary dawn]

pretty sure the sense of self preservation comes from the fact that if you die you can lose hours of progress

we don't need a cooldown for that

[signal beacon]

M microwave

[hoary dawn]

neat

[terse hornet]

That's why I suggested it as a toggleable option not as a requirement for all servers. Also I don't think we've been playing the same game because whenever I play it seems to be dino deathmatch x)

[signal beacon]

Go in the microwave

[hoary dawn]

neat

[white ruin]

why is there no EU 4 on Evrima??

[obtuse obsidian]

u go in the microwave

[signal beacon]

no.... no... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[paper oriole]

I will purposely kms on every dingle dino just to be a fish

[ashen elm]

lul that could be a fun extra mode, but probably not ok on the main servers

[obtuse obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-dragon-ball-z-unlimited-power-over9000-power-level-gif-12316102

when the american servers reach over 1000 ping

[past fjord]

Servers are down for some reason?

[paper oriole]

oh no

[drifting salmon]

What the hell.

[nocturne condor]

Lets face it: The Isle needs realistic and interactive dino mating.

[drifting salmon]

um...

[paper oriole]

[drifting salmon]

no.

[past fjord]

lets face it
we should ban freedom of speech

[limber hull]

does this guy want to watch dinosaur porn in his videogame

actual insane person

psychopath

[paper oriole]

cinematic mating

[past fjord]

why are you still talking about it

[limber hull]

because i like talking about bizarre things that slightly amuse me

[paper oriole]

because this is general feedback discussion

[past fjord]

dinosaur sex amuses you?

[glass swan]

maybe a lil rub for mating but i aint bouta see no dino dick

[paper oriole]

anyway, how would a small river mosasaur be balanced between deino and beipi and minmi

[limber hull]

no, but people asking for it in a videogame is

[jovial hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-old-man-clint-clint-eastwood-ugh-gif-7506146

[past fjord]

i think its just scary

[glass swan]

🏃‍♂️

[paper oriole]

unskippable mating cutscenes

[hoary dawn]

god tier suggestion

[past fjord]

you should get a one way ticket to hell

[paper oriole]

it lowkey reminds me of class

what ever happened to him

[past fjord]

??

what reminds you of class?
dino sex?

[obtuse obsidian]

no. way too much rp XD nobody wants to see dino intercourse

[paper oriole]

the juvie mercs and merc breeding guy

the children taming dinosaurs with snacks guy

[obtuse obsidian]

interactive

[past fjord]

am i missing something or?

[signal beacon]

tame dinos by throwing children at them

[glass swan]

ppl bouta be busting over the isle and im not for it

[paper oriole]

good mechanic

[obtuse obsidian]

BRO STOP XD

[signal beacon]

stfu

[nocturne condor]

thanks

[obtuse obsidian]

wow

[signal beacon]

midkights my freind and hes just shitposting

[nocturne condor]

im just saying more realism

[glass swan]

no

[signal beacon]

well freind is streatching it

[obtuse obsidian]

i wouldnt....

[hoary dawn]

its a 100% serious suggestion and i fully support it without a hint of irony

[signal beacon]

[paper oriole]

Midknight has a very based suggestion history

[nocturne condor]

VERY BASED

[obtuse obsidian]

EXTREMELY

[past fjord]

man speaks truth
nerf everyone buff rex

[glass swan]

did.....he say....buff rex

[signal beacon]

i never should have invited you here midkight im sorry everyone for the hell ive brought

[nocturne condor]

buff rex, giga, and carno

add dino mating

that's all the isle needs

[obtuse obsidian]

why do u wanna dino sex so badly

[signal beacon]

cause hes trolling

[glass swan]

u just want to see a rex get penetrated lets be honest

[signal beacon]

he has one post that is a shitpost

[obtuse obsidian]

im so dead atm

[past fjord]

add guillotine so that he doesnt suffer

[obtuse obsidian]

so yall wanna dino sex together?

[nocturne condor]

im just thinking about the immersion here

it would add to it greatly

[signal beacon]

dude stop. its not funny anymore. no one thinks you are funny rn

[obtuse obsidian]

im so done. xD

[glass swan]

fucking is immersive but not like this

[past fjord]

wym dude its so funny xd xd dino sex is funny as shit ngl

[obtuse obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/yoshi-mario-yoshis-island-super-smash-brother-super-smash-brother-n64-gif-21681448

syrus to Knight

[glass swan]

the isle community has truly fallen

[obtuse obsidian]

fr

[nocturne condor]

I'm glad I'm adding to The Isle community

[past fjord]

it havent fallen all that much really

it was already kinda at the bottom if u ask me

[paper oriole]

ive seen worse

[glass swan]

weve gone too long without a real update were resorting to dino fucking

[obtuse obsidian]

worse than the rust community

[nocturne condor]

lmao i bet u are a filthy roleplayer 1v1 me on ukn

I flex my loot by m2 roofcamping all day

[obtuse obsidian]

tf? u wanna have dino sex that rp far enough

[nocturne condor]

it's very fun

[glass swan]

FR

[signal beacon]

midkight just shut the fuck up. no one finds it funny and i really regret showing you my fav game if all youre gonna do is shit post and make shit up. its weird, creepy, and gross. stop. get help

[glass swan]

👀

[past fjord]

🗿

[glass swan]

beef

[past fjord]

it kinda feels like youre in it with him ngl

[glass swan]

fr fr

[jovial hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/step-brothers-get-out-of-my-face-stfu-roundhouse-roundhouse-your-ass-gif-5320858

[past fjord]

if not just calm down its just a shitty memer not like anyone cares about him or dino sex

[glass swan]

knight over here outing syrus

[nocturne condor]

just saying it's a 100% unironic suggestion

[signal beacon]

hes not outting me hes beihg a dick.

[glass swan]

lets call it even and say yall both watch dino porn 🤟

☮️

😶

[nocturne condor]

that's where he got the idea

[glass swan]

🙃 i-

[past fjord]

🗿 exactly it would immerse everyone in the atmosphere of the isle

[nocturne condor]

exactly! I'm glad someone gets it

[past fjord]

i mean prob over a half of the damn fucking community here wouldnt mind it ngl

[glass swan]

😦

ig im the other half

[nocturne condor]

just saying, think of the immersion and realism

[past fjord]

just think of it

how it would represent the isle's community

[glass swan]

keep ur fantasies out of my life 🙏

[past fjord]

youre going down with everyone else reading this

[glass swan]

nope goodbye

[nocturne condor]

just think about this suggestion as well, apex dinos are suprisingly underpowered

[past fjord]

great
servers crashed and deleted my fully grown pachy
i love wasting my time in this shitty ass game

[obtuse obsidian]

my utah is gone 😭

[nocturne condor]

just saying that was not syrus idea don't rope him into anything

[barren zephyr]

hey, so y'all know the button when you first open the game where it has the greetings message and you click the "i understand" button before being able to get in? it's not letting me click that, anyone know how to fix it?

[jovial hazel]

I feel like I had that issue when I wasn't in full screen.. maybe f11? It's been a while..

[past fjord]

Wow like anyone thought he's into dino sex and supports you fully crazy

[nocturne condor]

idk hes mad at me now

he thinks everyone now thinks he wants dino mating

[paper oriole]

he's syriously pissed

[barren zephyr]

i have it in full screen and everything. validated steam files, uninstalled and reinstalled. nothing is working

[jovial hazel]

If you cannot click the "I Understand" button:

Try pressing f 11 and see if you can click
Alternatively, you can:
Press Tab
Press the down arrow (Keyboard)
It should highlight the “I Understand” box
Press Enter

That's from #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧.

[barren zephyr]

i got it, thank youuuu

[terse hornet]

@nocturne condor I removed your post, please do not post troll suggestions in #general-feedback

[nocturne condor]

😦

[past fjord]

gg

[signal beacon]

[barren zephyr]

And for Pete's sake, if you guys do fix the mechanics and balancing, leave them alone in the future unless otherwise pushed by the community, because we have all seen what you guys have done to Utah and Tenonto. They were fine last update. Why has pounce and Tenonto/Utah stats been tweaked? Now they are dogshit. Literally unplayable with carnos running around.
@thorny lynx hi Fluff!

Just wanted to give my opinion here real quick

That's literally something impossible to ask for. The fracturing mechanic is something that has SO MUCH weight on combat that a balance overhaul was most definitely needed

Balance in a beta game is ALWAYS CHANGING

[somber bough]

is there any way to get deino nutrition up on the QA branch server or is it bugged or just not set up as an adult?

[barren zephyr]

Not too sure, but I'd ask in #isle-discussion or #885026544689492018

[somber bough]

Cheer's will do.

[terse hornet]

@livid crow sounds like a different take on the progression point system the isle used to have

It's an interesting idea

[livid crow]

Not sure how it was I didn't play back then it probably needs some tweaks but I think something to encourage to play different dinos would be cool and progressing would give some purpose to spend some time on the game(yesterday I think there was at least 40 carno players on eu 4 was really weird lol)

[left nacelle]

In the old system, you started out as small dino and got points just for surviving. Once you got enough points you could progress to the next dino and repeat. I used to like the system but it really split up the community and the devs no longer think it's a good idea iirc. Dondi said on stream once that it kinda encourages the thought process of "This animal is better than that animal cause it's higher up in the progression" which isn't what they want since it encourages everyone to play as an apex. Plus it was really easy to just afk, get the points, move to the next dino and repeat

A lot of players also disliked it cause maybe you wanna hop on and play as a specific dino, but if progression was a thing, you'd need to spend hours playing as dinos you don't wanna play as just to get to the dino you want

I personally like what we have now a lot more. Sure there's huge packs of carnos running around right now, but that's just because it's the biggest land carnivore in the game right now and it's easy to grow. Once more animals are in there'll be a lot more variety in the ecosystem

[zealous violet]

I dont like the point system or being forced to play as a small dino then 'upgrading' to bigger, stronger ones. I think things like that should be saved for things like hypos and elders.
Not everyone is as keen to dinos as some of the playerbase so they only know the basics like trike, rex and stego. People still mistake velo for utah most of the time but theyd still play as a utah. I know utah was my first dino I ever played.
We want people to enjoy and want to continue playing the game when they first try it, and having a forced point system to upgrade to these dinos would only frustrate people I think.

[hasty dagger]

A tap vs hold system for calls has been in since launch, unfortunately it breaks every single time the damn game updates

[glass swan]

@summer fern i totally agree but i clearly remember the community going through a lil phase of asking for underwater ecosystem concept and for them to add more plants and such, so i cant really blame the devs for this one

[summer fern]

that's not why I made my comment. I want all the concepts as well. I mean physically changing the map currently. I think a few more creatures should be pushed and stuff already added polished more before the map and new mechanics become the focus

[limber hull]

why would they not work on the environment if they didn't want the entire roster to be in one place? My issue is that the environments atm really only support people who stay in very specific portions of the map

[zealous violet]

The environments and the dinos are done by completely separate teams tho. Jace does the environments and theres some other peeps who create the dinosaur dolls and probably someone else who paints them and animates them.

[glass swan]

i didnt even think about that

[zealous violet]

You mean hold 2 for grouping? It broke because it was a new mechanic made to fix something that already wasnt broken, which was the old grouping system.
Having two sets of calls for tapping or holding would work just fine and most likely would not encounter many bugs as its the same mechanic with slightly different structure.

[zealous violet]

Yee, I also kind feel like Jace is the only one doing actual mapwork right now which is a massive job already. I noticed too that whoever works on the dolls for the dinos can get them out withint a reasonable amount of time, but those who do the animations and such take waaaay longer.
Thats why we already have a fleshed out Trex doll thats colored and everything, but we dont have any animations for it.

[glass swan]

oooooooooooooooooooh

[zealous violet]

https://tenor.com/view/k-drama-korean-song-joong-ki-nod-nodding-gif-5201626

[limber hull]

personally i like the new hold 2, and i dont think it broke?

[left nacelle]

They meant holding any call buttons. You're supposed to be able to tap a call button to do a quieter version of that call, and hold it to do a louder one, but it's been broken for a while now iirc

[zealous violet]

^^^ Thats what I meant. And just to have more calls in general. Maybe a curious noise or a content noise? Maybe one where you can sneeze? I dunno, weve got more numbers to work with so I say go all out.

[left nacelle]

Well emotes and stuff like that are confirmed for the future. Wouldn't be surprised if they're assigned to the number keys

[zealous violet]

I think its been broken since we got this new map (Not just QA but the new evrima map even on the regular evrima servers) I recall it working when we had center and that utah rock with the log sticking straight up outta it. It worked real well with the utah bark. Oh boy did their bark sound amazing back then.

[zealous violet]

I hope they do it! im not going to ever hold my breath for it but I will cross my fingers none the less. '

[left nacelle]

Oh they definitely will, they've brought it up multiple times and some emotes are gonna have actual functional uses iirc. Like scratching trees and stuff

[weak dune]

Honestly I'd rather have something like species cooldowns on higher-tier stuff, like Deino, Stego, Carno. Especially Carno. Something like if you die under 50-75% you're fine but if you die above that percentage you're forced to choose a difference species for "X" amount of time.

Like sure you're trusted to play literally anything you want on the first pick, and if you die as a juvie you can try again because a lot can happen as a juvie that you can't help, but as adult psuedo-apexes or apexes (according to whatever the current roster is), you should be locked out if you die to being stupid.

Like if you ram your deino's or carno's head up a stego's ass and get spiked, your apex privileges are revoked for an hour lol or some such. Of course I expect a lot of people to hate the idea, but w/e

[limber hull]

i dont know about that

some people just like certain animals, and sometimes those animals are big

punishing people for playing something they enjoy is not the way to go. The better route is always providing encouragement for people to pick up the smaller playables

[outer sphinx]

that is one of the problems with progression

[limber hull]

troodon good example. Small critter, plentiful gimmicks to keep gameplay fresh and enjoyable. Rex may be able to break somethings entire ribcage with their bite, but they don't have the ability to poison prey, invade burrows, mimic sounds and see clearly in the night

troodon isnt nearly as big and strong as rex, yet it has enough unique about it that people want to play it regardless

this is something legacy didn't understand. Basically every carnivore was run fast with ambush speed and bite till they either die or bleed out. Giga, carno, cera, sucho and allo were legit the same animal with different stats and sizes, let's be real. The only really unique carnivores were utah with the ability to jump, dilo with the bleed and NV and rex with the bone break, and hence people played the hell out of those animals specifically

[weak dune]

Eh debateable

Hypsi probably has the most gimmicks of any dino but very few people play them

Currently, that is

[outer sphinx]

hypsi isnt even finished

[limber hull]

I still think hypsi needs more gimmicks (that work well) before it starts getting played

give hypsi climb and an actual good spit

[weak dune]

Troodon is likely to be the carni Hypsi. Some people play them, sure, but if everything can kill you in a single bite, and the game is full of KOS/KFSers who just wantonly murder for no reason except "teehee murder griefing funny", no one will play those dinos

[outer sphinx]

you realise that not everybody plays the game just to kill everything that moves with not risk of dying?

[weak dune]

Doesn't take many players to ruin it for the rest of us lol Also may I point to carno megapacks?

[limber hull]

Carno megapacks exist because carno is busted atm

[weak dune]

I don't think I have ever played Hypsi even one time where people weren't KOSing as basically every dino except baby herbs UNLESS literally every single person in a hotspot (south pond) were playing nice

But especially Hyspi

Like you might have mixpacking carnos and utahs and deinos

or mixpacking tenos and stegos

But show up as a Hypsi and everything wants to kill you even if you're not doing anything but sitting there

Considering on Live, Hypsi is basically the only thing I play, trust me when I say playing the smaller tiers sucks not because they lack gimmicks but because everyone knows they can bully you with 0 repercussions because you have 20 HP and can't really defend yourself lol

I have yet to meet anyone else who plays Hypsi legitimately. Only as a troll dino

[outer sphinx]

then run, but hypsi isnt even finished and its main escape mehcnaics isnt even implemented

[limber hull]

i personally believe i'd play the hell out of hypsi if it was more arboreal

[outer sphinx]

if you cant fight it then you can run for it

[limber hull]

i wanna be tree bastard bird

[outer sphinx]

that spits on herra to make it fall

[weak dune]

Which I do, and usually get outrun because carno is faster, or outmanuevered because utahs come in packs lol

I even had a croc climb up the rocks on south pond and drop on me from above in Live when I found a "safe" ledge to perch on. They're that determined I guess

[outer sphinx]

well yea, thats the part where its tree climbing comes into play, but thats not here

[limber hull]

exactly why hypsi needs to be done

its meant to be safe in the trees, since its really not THAT fast

[weak dune]

Its likely other dinos will get climbing to some degree as well though

I'll be surprised if small utahs can't climb a tree

And troodon to some extent

[limber hull]

hypsi is actually the fourth slowest animal in the game atm, making it on the slow half of the roster

it outspeeds stego, deino and ptera on land

it has agility, lots of stam and a big jump, sure, but not much else going for it atm

which is why i genuinely believe hypsi isnt played because it simply isnt done and hasn't got an ecosystem to be a part of

[outer sphinx]

^

[limber hull]

its a forest animal in a game primarily comprised of plains animals, with some animals that stay near water (still technically more active with the roster than hypsi)

one of its main biomes is REDWOODS

[weak dune]

I don't entirely disagree, but I am somewhat skeptical of what we're going to be getting with the climbing mechs considering how broken a lot of our other mechs are

Of course I'd love to eat those words later, but we'll see

Ultimately though I feel Big, Bad, and Survivable is going to win every time over Lots of Mechs, Dies In 1 Hit To Literally Everything

[limber hull]

I personally think we may see a rise in extra small players

already we've seen a few people hyped for animals like minmi

[outer sphinx]

and proto, and troodon somewhat, ovi

there are many upcomming small dinos that bring a lot to the table

[weak dune]

Right. I just think there's what people want, and what will actually happen. If Minmi, Troodon, and Ovi are constantly getting merced by Carnos like most things are already right now, then the people playing them will get smaller and smaller most likely. Or when you bring in things like Rex. They'll play the things that survive the Bully Dinos on the roster because its no fun to just constantly die.

Pachy is different from other low-tiers right now in that it can literally cripple Carno (we'll see how well that works when fractures get reworked with stages though). So we finally have a dino besides Stego that can grief Carno back. Although tbh I haven't seen many Pachy's anymore, so...

But again, I'll be happy to be proven wrong and eat my words later. I'm just skeptical that it'll actually come to that

[limber hull]

it also is dependent on how each animal acts

in legacy, size was everything. Bigger animals usually won every fight unless they got literally cheesed to death (think utah v rex tailriding)

in evrima, we have mechanics like pouncing, drowning, fracturing, stego's absurd tail swing damage, etc

who knows, we might see animals smaller than rex fighting back

hell, even damage was dictated by the attackers weight in legacy

[outer sphinx]

i dont think using the legacy mindset for evrima is a good idea

[limber hull]

if the evrima apexes are less "gods amongst mortals" and more "the bigger they are, the harder they fall", we could see an actual ecosystem

take a look at minmi. It can burrow, swim, hide in the dirt, etc

sure, it's not an incredible runner, but it has its own set of mechanics to escape larger predators without being literal fodder

[outer sphinx]

its also venom resistant

[weak dune]

Honestly I barely played Legacy so I'm not really taking a page from there lol

all of my feedback is based on my experience with Evrima

[outer sphinx]

rn evrima is just like legacy for the most part where the bigger ones are the dominant ones

[hasty dagger]

No, you used to be able to hold calls for a slightly different variant that was longer and carried further, and tapping would make a quieter noise that would be heard less

[left nacelle]

@dark dock That's already in the game... sort of. If you tap 3, it's supposed to make you do a much quieter growl rather than a roar. But it's broken atm iirc

Same applies for the rest of the roars, tapping it is supposed to make you do a quieter version

[dark dock]

ye but a growl specifcly

[left nacelle]

Yeah it's supposed to be a growl but like I said it's broken atm

[dark dock]

k

cool thx

[left nacelle]

Np

[pseudo pebble]

Do I need a passwort for enter the server of qa branch? how do I get inß

There is no server showing up

[carmine path]

Welcome to QA.

[livid crow]

But I think having no progressing encourage more to only play big apex because they don't cost anything to get not a lot of people want to be prey and I think if it was required to have to go through other dinos that people don't usually play will make a more diverse fauna and more immersive experience that having huge pack of rexes and spinos and gigas like is legacy now.

Maybe to please everyone you can have a secondary server where dinos are free as it is now, then have a sever where you can farm points for skins and cosmetic but also have a progression system. So people would have to play progression to unlock stuff but can go to another server if they just feel like growing a rex for free and they can apply the cosmetics the have unlocked. I just feel progression would add more of a purpose to play and in game design one of the first thing they teach you is to give player purpose by making missions or achievements and I feel this game is really missing that part.

[hot inlet]

@weak dune great feedback and i totaly agree im a chef and i have a whole book where stuff is listet who directly destroys the whole meat is meat saying

but at the same time
many animals you listet are are more or less specialised
like Koalas ,pandas and so on

but on the other hand in nature you have a lot more animals that are just generalistic in what they hunt and eat

but in regard to this even animals like this will actually habe a "preffered" prey item

[hoary dawn]

listing a handful of animals that have adapted to eat a specific food source doesn't mean that the same applies to dinosaurs, or even most modern carnivores

[outer sphinx]

koalas and pandas are stupid

[outer sphinx]

they insist on eating smth that gives close to no energy

[hot inlet]

funny is in zoos they will actually eat other stuff and have in most cases no problem with it at all

[outer sphinx]

they evolved to eat that one plant, i never said they cant eat other things, also zooz are dif since many animals there live in the comfort of medicine

there is a reason we waste millions on pandas yearly

[barren zephyr]

Lmao, should we just let Panda's go?