general-feedback-discussion

[paper oriole]

like the feeling when an arch nemesis dies

[stable mica]

wait I didnt know docks had tires

[paper oriole]

yeah theyre in the little fenced areas

[stable mica]

thats neat

I do hope the skin system isnt just basically a legacy port and its actually good customization

[limber hull]

i remember my friend constantly tried to make the best and coolest looking dinosaurs and then I'd actively make my dinosaur look like utter fucking shit because I found it funny to have this pretty and realistic looking dino right next to this ugly fucking goblin creature

[paper oriole]

there was somebody in feedback recently who wanted there to be no skin customization and for us to only be able to change the shade of the default skin it's like...

i tried making cool skins with a colour identify app and then id find a group and somebody would say i look like bird shit lol

[limber hull]

like when i made my masterpiece, poop allo. It was an allo that looked exactly like poop

[stable mica]

who bc thats just cringe as hell

[paper oriole]

one se cmaybe i can find it

[stable mica]

I really like the funny skins

[limber hull]

and the one time i didn't make an ugly skin was when i was nested in as para and proceeded to throw that para into a fucking volcano

[stable mica]

I just hope there is 1 thing the skin system limits is that we dont just have the

Sweaty all black utah raptors

that was the most tryhardy annoying shit ive ever seen

[paper oriole]

#general-feedback message

[limber hull]

one of my friends skins was an all-black dilo with bright green highlights, and it looked almost snakelike, it was actually kind of cool

[stable mica]

All black dilo is the only respectable melanistic animal bc it actually fits with its playstyle

[limber hull]

Yea, plus dilo looks cool while allblack imho

[stable mica]

the other all black animals except for maybe rex just scream "Hey I have a clan tag in my name and you will end up in my montage if I kill you"

[limber hull]

skinrex and poopy rex are the only two skins i employed

where it was a rex but it looked like poop

i am a comedy genius

[paper oriole]

i made a bananaraptor once and killed some docktahs with it

gotta blend in you know

[stable mica]

ironically the banana skin caught people slipping

[hybrid matrix]

i once made the raptor from WWD
it only worked with females
the male had to have the crest pattern which ruined the look

i also made an allo with it
but that worked great male or female

[paper oriole]

this is the skin i usually went with because it was the first one i made where nobody gave me a bird poop comment

hope the new skin system has labels on the colours too

[stable mica]

All of my skins look that pretty much

literally have every dino with that general color scheme

[paper oriole]

not a lot of nonpoop tones to choose from so it makes sense lol

[stable mica]

yee

[limber hull]

@stable mica also in reference to "what should have fracture and what shouldn't", I think that we need to consider niche. If it's a brawler style dinosaur, then fracture can be considered, but in the case of carno, a speedy/ambush hunter style dinosaur, absolutely not. Anky, pachy, rex, all either are brawlers or can brawl (in rex's case it's primarily ambush but will beat the utter shit out of other creatures challenging it).

I'd be fine with animals like deino getting fracture and maybe even teno, but carno's whole shtick completely contradicts the entire purpose of fracture as either permitting an escape or forcing your opponent to stay and fight

[paper oriole]

i think anky and trike are two herbis who fall under defensive rather than brawler

still though, the fastest predator in the game doesnt deserve bone breaking

[stable mica]

I wouldnt be annoyed if Dieno and tento got fractures

[limber hull]

absolutely not

i agree fully

[paper oriole]

deino fractures do make sense definitely

[stable mica]

tento could use em atleast in its current state cuz you cannot kill carnos as tento rn solo so it would be a nice escape tool

[paper oriole]

might make stegos less comfortable about hanging near water without making deinos busted op

[stable mica]

the onyl reason I think dieno should get fractures is bc you can already seal the deal in most fights with a grab but I can see why it would have it

The sauropods should have fractures it would help them in their teen years if they cant outright kill stuff attacking them in 1 hit but once they get adults it really wouldnt matter (talking ab bronto and brachi here btw not magy)

[paper oriole]

i could even see deinocheirus getting fractures with those beefy arms and blunt claws of his

both deinos getting fracture lol

[limber hull]

i think deino becomes more brawler than ambush as it grows. At 50% is where deino is at its peak as an ambusher, then it becomes FAR more of a brawler

Very high damage, low speed, low stam, extremely high health and bleed resist

[stable mica]

yeah Ig I just hope it isnt like old rex bb for long bc thats what fractures feel like rn

[limber hull]

yea just wait till other fractures are in

[stable mica]

rn fractures just feel like complete cheese

cuz its just 1 hit and its all over

[meager tiger]

Define brawl

Does a bronto brawl?

[limber hull]

well, does it need to?

i doubt its going to fracture anything

at its size its basically just death, no fracture

[meager tiger]

its got the whip tail and it weighs 20 tons

do whips tails inflict bleed or bledungeiong

[limber hull]

no but i doubt fracture would even be needed

just with how lethal it'd be

[meager tiger]

how lethal is a whip tail

is it slashing damage or bludgeiong

[limber hull]

in all seriousness, sure, fracture could work for that

my point is basically, defensive/brawler creatures should have fracture rather than fast/hunting creatures

[meager tiger]

makes sense

[limber hull]

in the case of most dinos with fracture, you need to engage them to risk getting fractured (with perhaps the exclusion of rex, which would use fracture more offensively, but this would be a rare exception and considering its lower speed, it won't be too oppressive)

[paper oriole]

aside from the rng aspect legacy rex was actually one of the most balanced predators because its bone break was balanced out by shitty stamina and honestly its ambush wasnt that hard to dodge even as slower dinos

[limber hull]

I would like for EVRIMA Rex to have a very similar stamina style

[meager tiger]

Are rexes scavengers?

[paper oriole]

i know a lot of people seem to want endurance rex but giga showed how broken an endurance apex is

[meager tiger]

or do they hunt things

[paper oriole]

no

[meager tiger]

they hunt trikes?

[limber hull]

Since it would struggle to pursue for long distances, the fracture is more of an ambush/brawl tool rather than a tool that just fucks everyone up

[paper oriole]

the paleontologist who kept pushing scavenger rex was wrong and bad and he openly admitted he hates rex

[limber hull]

Fracture + better mobility = wtf no

[paper oriole]

rex fracture should be to disable targets so rex doesnt get an asthma attack trying to chase them down

[limber hull]

scavenger rex is as legitimate as a scavenger lion. Lions sometimes like to take kills off smaller animals, doesn't mean they're always scavengers. Same as rex

[paper oriole]

and obviously a bonus against armoured dinos

[meager tiger]

how does rex disable heavily armored targets of its time like trike and anky

[limber hull]

exceptional biteforce

[paper oriole]

with its big ass bite

[meager tiger]

can't exactly bite something thats wide and curved

anky back, trike shield

[limber hull]

which is funny, because if it was a scavenger, why the fuck would it have a developed a massive powerful biteforce

[meager tiger]

its like you trying to bite a soccer ball

[paper oriole]

it could bite the frill of a trike, it could land a devastating neck bite

[meager tiger]

oh ok

sounds easier said then done lol

[paper oriole]

like rex could easily get a grapple, which i heard is planned

to grab and wrangle with ceratopsians and shant if it can grab the right spots

i also think this fits very well with large sauropods being hard to latch on to, automatically making them better targets for large bleeders

[limber hull]

the biteforce of a rex was so ridiculously high that it was likely one of the only creatures that could utterly brutalise a trike/anky under the right circumstance

[stark dust]

Rex is 100% scavenger and don’t go beyond that

[paper oriole]

[urban flax]

@barren zephyr Wrong channel

[barren cloud]

I don’t know about scavenging but I read that another school of thought revolves around their weight and vision. The structure of theirs eyes suggests they could see well over distances and the olfactory organs would have been good as well. This would suggest that it likely would have walked it’s prey down until it tired.

So not really endurance if it just walks quickly which it would have given it’s size. This would also support opportunistic scavenging as well.

But this is a video game, so the Rex needs to work differently than it would have in real life. Otherwise it would be too OP.

[paper oriole]

“Walked its prey down until it tired” this is literally endurance hunting. This is how humans evolved to hunt too

Endurance rex would be busted op though yes

Endurance giga was busted op in legacy

[honest sparrow]

Endurance apexes can hypothetically be balanced, it’s just a pick your poison type deal if you want one

[barren cloud]

I don’t see a way that it can be balanced. Regenerating stamina, draining less stamina or having a much larger stamina pool all make it too hard to compete with in combat. Besides that if you didn’t want to fight and ran from it, you would then have to get away from something that virtually never stops.

[limber hull]

Endurance rex would be fucking INSANE

Legacy giga with bonebreak

[honest sparrow]

ew

[limber hull]

And way more damage

[honest sparrow]

giga actually had bb at one point

[limber hull]

endurance rex should not exist

rex can be ambush and brawler, since its kit seems to support that

but god just dont let it do everything, especially not endurance

[barren cloud]

Yeah, I don’t think endurance anything other than some weaker herbies should exist.

I say that because otherwise you cants escape carnivores

[limber hull]

endurance is fine on smaller animals but big animals are fucking scary if they can constantly chase you

[barren cloud]

Exactly

[limber hull]

utah, for example, would be a fine example of endurance predator

[barren cloud]

Mmmm not really lol

A pack of Utahs endlessly chasing you sound good? Lol

[limber hull]

i mean

[barren cloud]

That’s the whole balance of this system. Herbivores tend to have more stamina and carnivores are generally faster.

[paper oriole]

Endurance can work if there is a tradeoff but rex has no tradeoffs that can be made

[urban flax]

It can have a downside
If you cover its head, rex falls asleep like crocs (and snakes iirc ?)

[limber hull]

rex already has ambushing and brawling lmao, no need to be endurance too

its biggest weakness should be it needs to land a hit quickly before the prey gets away

[paper oriole]

Yeah its high fracture makes more sense for ambushing+disabling than endurance

Takes more skill too, to ambush and aim a fracturing hit

[limber hull]

exactly

rexes are also supposed to be one of the smartest dinos, so having it be a patient hunter that stalks their prey and attacks rather than mindlessly walking at them till they cant run anymore seems more in flavour for rex

[paper oriole]

Endurance giga makes sense especially for sauropod hunting but then it runs in to the issue of being an absolute menace to mid tiers like it was in legacy

[limber hull]

yea that is the issue

i like the idea of endurance giga but dislike how oppressive it was to midtiers

[urban flax]

If things had to be realistic giga, alberto and allo would be the most OP things in the game
Especially in the case of giga who's both fast and endurant

[paper oriole]

It probably wouldnt need to be very fast to hunt brontosaurus and brachiosaurus in packs, so if it had a decent trot but relatively poor stam and regen it might work

[urban flax]

(Well actually we don't know if giga was endurant irl now that I think about it)

[limber hull]

we do know giga was quick

[paper oriole]

Enough stam to swap in pairs to apply bleed to a brachi and recover over a period of time but somehow not enough to run mids across the map

[limber hull]

it was 100% faster than a rex

and was built as a bleeder

[urban flax]

iirc giga was theorized to go around 40 km/h and alberto 50
Which is insane in both cases

[lavish quail]

@olive olive the devs have allowed and supported changing gamma rn

Even they think having longer nights than days with no night vision

[stuck crater]

I wonder if these anti-stego fracture attacks would lead to deinos bullying to stegos and not letting them drink

[barren zephyr]

Shallow spots lol

[stuck crater]

You mean the shallows or any spot with more shallow? If the attack doesnt require a lunge from deep water then just a shallow spot wont keep crocs from bullying. Then again that's the life of all the other dinos right now xD

[barren zephyr]

Of course the stego wouldn't be helpless, it'd either need to be able to swing while broken or have a 3rd attack that swings without the use of its legs

[barren zephyr]

I think it's safe to say it wouldn't work when fully on land, or at least would do much less fracture damage

[stuck crater]

Yes, something like that would be needed.

Just wouldnt want all the time to travel to the shallows as a steg because they are soo slow

[tidal frigate]

@valid zephyr the reason it’s green is becuase moss is growing on it

Like a sloth

[rare fractal]

We quite literally have a fossilized battle between a Triceratops and a Rex in which several Rex teeth are imbedded in the spine of the trike, it’s called “Dueling Dinosaurs”

[stable mica]

Since when was jack horner in the feedback channel tf are you on ab

[rare fractal]

Lol that's exactly who that reminded me of xD

Scavenger rex has been outdated for about a decade now

(not to say rex didn't scavenge but it wasn't primarily a scavenger, all predators scavenge to a degree when the opportunity exists)

Not only do we have evidence on predation upon both hadrosaurs and ceratopsians, but we have a bite mark fitting the jaw size of a rex on the back of a hadrosaur that has healed over, it's impossible for that to have been anything but a failed predation attempt

No problem, it's a common misconception, a lot of misinformation was spread about rex in the early 2000

Especially since downplaying rex was kinda trendy back in the day

still kinda is

[maiden anvil]

Wait what! Does people want Stryaco to be an omnivore???

[meager tiger]

Whose stronger Goosezilla or Turkey Rex

Also no love for Sucho?

I liked sucho more than bary

[ebon girder]

@steel flower Why would they show skins for creatures already in the game, they already have default skins.

[rare fractal]

Not only that but the growth stages of rex filled almost every size based predatory niche in it's ecosystem, very few predators actually existed in hell creek outside of rex that weren't dromaeosaurs or crocodilians, as rexes were just impossible to compete with

[rare fractal]

That is awful, why would anyone want that, uniqueness is not a substantial reason to add a game feature

[limber hull]

probably because BoB just added an omnivore ceratopsian (i think, i dont play BoB)

[rare fractal]

Again, what a terrible reason. "lets copy our competitions shit ideas so we can be just as shit as they are"

especially in regards to a ceratopsian

If it was an animal derived from a carnivorous lineage I could maybe get behind it, like theri

[limber hull]

-The Coahuilaceratops is an omnivore and requires both meat and plant food in reasonable proportions to meet its diet

searched it up, yep

its probably because of BoB lmao

AHAHAHAHA

BOB ALSO ADDED ITS DIET SYSTEM

god i love dino games and their ability to take from other dino games

PoT adding deinocherius immediately after it's announced for the Isle and BoB adding diet update immediately after the diet update stress test is launched for the Isle

[lavish quail]

Bob was the original Isle ripoff

Its like that ya know

[ashen elm]

True. I will forever be salty they picked up Lurdu first
even though the Isle never showed interest in it

[maiden anvil]

I'm terrible with sarcasm. What do u actually mean?

[crisp topaz]

I saw people talking in a BoB server last night about how dondi tried to sue BoB for the ory burrowing mechanic. Thought it was quite comical, since BoB's pure existence is to spite the isle.

[limber hull]

i am 100% certain that didn't happen

[crisp topaz]

They said it's all over reddit and court cases are public so I have reason to believe it's true.

[meager tiger]

How can you sue a game for a action? Mario jumps on platforms does that mean crash bandicoot can't jump on platforms and smash crates

I like how this dondi fellow has time to sue other games but not actually gee i don't know maybe interact with the community more or fix the damn bugs and shit faster lol.

oh and also bully a animal that other people enjoy and make it pathetic looking toxically

just for the memes

[lavish quail]

you guys know about dinosaurs?

Lmao ceratopsian eating meat seems cool

little off but cool

[urban flax]

Styracosaurus being omnivore might be the little something it lacks in order to be a good playable and not too similar to other ceratopsians

[rare fractal]

I wasn’t being sarcastic, uniqueness is secondary to functionality

[robust storm]

styraco was already confirmed for the game years ago it even has an old model - but there has been no official time set as of yet for when it might be put in evrima

[urban flax]

Because you think it wouldn't KOS juvies if it's herbi ?

I don't think it would change much
If anything

[rare fractal]

Probably not

[urban flax]

Just balance it out like you would balance a predator

[rare fractal]

The only thing I don’t like about it is that it’s being given to a ceratopsian instead of a therizinosaur

[urban flax]

Beipi might be omnivore no ?

[rare fractal]

It is

But specifically for fish

[paper oriole]

If you introduce omnivore behaviour it will be an omnivore doing it, not an herbivore

[rare fractal]

[paper oriole]

Tbh ava looks better as an omni than sty

[rare fractal]

I’d have to agree

[paper oriole]

Boar ava eating mushrooms and occasional protein

[rare fractal]

Kinda fits it more than styraco, which is essentially a reskinned dibble

[paper oriole]

Sty is fine being an anti pounce badass with a greatsword on its face

[urban flax]

Every ceratopsian should be omnivore

[rare fractal]

Why

[lavish quail]

I dont want a herbi ass looking boi eating meat

[urban flax]

To piss off people who want them to be fully herbivore

[paper oriole]

Maybe some herbivores should be able to chew on stripped bones for a bonus but i dont think that counts as omnivorous

[lavish quail]

This aint primal carnage

[paper oriole]

And some other things like hadrosaurs eating shellfish as a bonus

[rare fractal]

Fantastic reasoning

[paper oriole]

Not actual pvp protein source and just a bonus

[urban flax]

Actually pachy being omnivore in primal carnage is more accurate to current theories that The Isle's fully-herbi pachy

[compact forum]

Anyone else kinda not like Dienochrus skin… like I get it’s gonna be like a swampy boi but i feel like they could have made its colors and pattern a lot more unique

[lavish quail]

true

[paper oriole]

Pachy teeth definitely look like he could eat your arm

[rare fractal]

If they essentially colored it like an albatross or a duck it would’ve been so cool

[lavish quail]

It literally just eats carcases also paleonerd opinion rejected

[rare fractal]

It doesn’t exactly need to blend it

[urban flax]

I wasn't stating an opinion but a fact

[paper oriole]

Nasty little teeth

[compact forum]

I 100 agree, it’s big enough I don’t think it needs much camo

[rare fractal]

Not mutually exclusive, but yes

[rare fractal]

Most larger herbis could use more flamboyant coloration

[urban flax]

I would have liked if cheirus was pink, but that's just because people call it cherry

[rare fractal]

Flamingo Cheirus

[lavish quail]

gaem bad fix gaem

[rare fractal]

Like I get smaller animals and mid tiers having good camo as they can actually hide, but specifically apex herbis or high tier herbis could absolutely have more color variation than the standard brown and light brown

[urban flax]

One could argue the opposite. Big animals cannot just hide under vegetation, so camo is more important for them. Especially for cheirus, who will probably want to nab on small critters way faster than itself

[rare fractal]

Ofcourse, that’s why options are important, but for hadrosaurs like para and shant, as well as sauropods could have brighter colors with less drawbacks

[robust storm]

I agree

[robust storm]

The skins would still have to work well enough so that the juveniles could still camouflage before they get big enough to defend themselves

[lavish quail]

@still raptor wtf is an osteoderms

[lavish quail]

Ok so whats a dermis

[icy lion]

Skin

[lavish quail]

smh dinosaur words are dumb

[icy lion]

It's not a dinosaur word

It's used for everything that has skin or skin-like tissues

[manic flint]

Dermis is inner skin
Epidermis is outer skin
You learn this in school in like grade 8

[barren zephyr]

Many living animals have osteoderms

[lavish quail]

gross grades

[manic flint]

What?

[barren zephyr]

Beaded lizards (aka gila monsters), Crocodylians, Monitor lizards and some mammals such as Armadillos

[manic flint]

A lot of animals have osteoderms

[lavish quail]

nerds

[barren zephyr]

Top to bottom: Komodo dragon, Earless monitor, Gila monster, Asian water monitor

[barren zephyr]

Expect nerds if you play a game about bloody dinosaurs

[lavish quail]

mmmmmmmmm

[rare fractal]

Well we have a version of that already, skins already change over time

[barren zephyr]

@lavish quail trying to reject paleontology is no use when all legitimate knowledge about dinosaurs comes from that field of biology/geology

also about the omnivore ceratopsian thing above, it has truth. Basically all "herbivorous" animals arent actually strict herbivores. Deer and cattle will eat carrion or even kill small birds, snakes or rodents to supplement their poor leafy diet.

Also tortoises will take basically any kind of meat given the chance

[lavish quail]

i said it was nerd stuff

smh

[paper oriole]

imagine coming across as a maia as a baby utah and the fucker just eats you lmao that would be nightmarish

shant just vacuums up compies off of a body

[barren zephyr]

^

It's justifiable and adds to the horror element.

Also going a bit too far, Hadrosaurs have been found to eat crabs

[paper oriole]

yeah ik i mentioned earlier i think it would be a cool supplement thing

though not just for hadros, would be cool

considering hadros would also look good eating floating water plants too so they would already be in the area if that happened

[hybrid matrix]

actually i think i learned this in grade 5

[manic flint]

I learned it in grade 3 but it wasn't in the curriculum I learned it out of school

[paper oriole]

to be fair, stuff from school is easy to forget. but the term "dermal" is used to much in everyday products that i think its pretty clear what it is lol

[hybrid matrix]

thats how i learned most things

[manic flint]

True

But dermal is pretty common
Especially when talking about animals

[barren zephyr]

okay

[urban flax]

@unreal ridge Dinos aren't properly scaled in the concept arts

[unreal ridge]

but i dont think troodon should be smaller than a 50% pteranodon

[urban flax]

I think it should

Why would you want to upsize troodon ? To lessen the differences (already quite low) it has with dilo ?

[unreal ridge]

so it isnt the same size as hyspi

troodon should be pretty large

[urban flax]

Troodon doesn't exist

[unreal ridge]

in the game its called troodon SO WE ARE GOING WITH THE NAME TROODON

[urban flax]

So they can make it whatever size they want

[unreal ridge]

do you want stenonychosaurus?

[urban flax]

35 kg troodon (which iirc is what is planned so far) is perfect for a creepy night hunter that can sneak around, gather in big packs and be humans worst nightmare

[urban flax]

I never mentioned stenonychosaurus
I just find it annoying that so many people ask for a troodon upsize without real reason

[unreal ridge]

its way too tiny

troodon isnt really going to be taken seriously

[urban flax]

If troodon was as big as shown in the concept art, it would invalidate utah's existence

[unreal ridge]

if you wanted to differentiate it more with dilophosaurus i would suggest pushing for dilophosaurus's real height and size , 6 foot tall , and around 23 foot long

how would it?

they have 2 very different color patterns , calls , and troodon is a dark purplish gray , and utah is a tanish brown

[urban flax]

Sure, change the size of everything instead of go with what's already planned
Nothing can go wrong

[unreal ridge]

keep everything the same

[urban flax]

Oh yeah they have different color patterns
Awesome
What a difference

[unreal ridge]

just make troodon larger

[urban flax]

It doesn't need to

[vestal rune]

troodon really doesn't need to be larger

the whole point is that it can punch up very well with large packs and venom

[unreal ridge]

i just think it should be bigger than a 50% grown pteranodon

the only real thing troodon has to gain from being super tiny is that large things cant see it as well

[urban flax]

And it's an important feat

[unreal ridge]

which might cause balance changes , probably resulting in troodons venom being nerfed

[urban flax]

The point of troodon is going without being seen

[unreal ridge]

thats why it is going to have one of the best night visions in the game

it can see you

but you cant see it

[urban flax]

What does troodon even gains from being bigger ? Being able to tackle bigger prey but have nerfed venom so it can't tackle bigger prey ?

[unreal ridge]

it just doesnt seem right

its going to be around 35kg right? that is lighter than a 25% grown utah

[urban flax]

yep

[unreal ridge]

how big is a 25% utahraptor

[urban flax]

bigger than it looks

Utah is clearly overweight
It's only 50 kg less than real Utah, although it is much smaller, thinner and scrawnier
Realistically it shouldn't be over 200 or 250 kg

[unreal ridge]

real troodon was about 3 feet tall and could weigh around 60kg or 130lbs

[urban flax]

Real troodon is literally a tooth

[unreal ridge]

am i being an asshole for wanting it to be upscaled?

[urban flax]

No, you're just being illogical

[vestal rune]

a 25% grown utah is a quarter the length of a 100% utah so 1/64th the weight. 450/64 = 7 kg

[unreal ridge]

whats that supposed to mean

[vestal rune]

so a troodon is significantly bigger than a 25% grown utah

[unreal ridge]

okay

[vestal rune]

assuming a 100% grown utah is 450kg

[unreal ridge]

so should we make troodon larger since it is significantly bigger than a 25% grown utah

[vestal rune]

no it's big enough

[unreal ridge]

but if it is larger , then shouldnt it be ... larger

[vestal rune]

what?

I'm saying a 35kg troodon is significantly larger than a 25% utah

they are planning a 35kg troodon

[hoary dawn]

the size of the troodon in the dev stream is almost definitely not the final size they are gonna go with

[vestal rune]

so it doesn't need to be bigger

[unreal ridge]

i hope

[meager tiger]

A full grown Utah is 1 ton

[unreal ridge]

can be 1 ton

[meager tiger]

The in game Utah is a pygmy

Tiny breed

You know like a pony compared to a workhorse

[unreal ridge]

utahraptor can grow to 1 ton but its most likely they reached around 600 pounds

[meager tiger]

That's 1/4

Why such a wide range

Did they die early in life like croc

Only like 1% Crocs get huge

[unreal ridge]

600-1,000 ish

2,200 would be really rare

[meager tiger]

Elder/progression point?

[unreal ridge]

probably a really heavy female

[meager tiger]

Females are bigger?

[unreal ridge]

we have little way to tell , and in species of hawks and shore birds females are a lot larger

so it could be either gender

[vestal rune]

is the largest irl utah estimate really 1 tonne?

I swear it was 500kg

[ashen elm]

It is 500, not sure where 1 ton came from

[unreal ridge]

1 imperial ton

2,000 lbs

[meager tiger]

Notice the Murica symbol lol

[hybrid matrix]

isnt it 2,200 lbs?

[unreal ridge]

yeag

[barren cloud]

The range for Utahraptor weights is so big that it’s just a guess the real weight was probably somewhere in the middle. Somewhere between 660-2200lbs

[gritty helm]

I don't see the issue

[barren zephyr]

@fierce lintel crocodilian groups also happen to cannibalise each other. They really aren't proper packs per say.

[fierce lintel]

good point

[sly reef]

Is this the general chat for QA?

[urban flax]

no

[sly reef]

Is there a general chat for QA?

[urban flax]

I'm not sure what you're talking about. There's #885026244444442655 if you want to provide feedback regarding the QA branch of the game.

[pulsar lake]

Wheat edit is based and way better looking

Than original art.

I advocate for it in the game.

[limber hull]

@lavish quail take it from someone who has worked in game design before, never ever put balance in the hands of your community

[hasty dagger]

The amount of trolling that would happen

[muted holly]

geez man sorry

or lady

[warm flame]

@fierce lintel crocodiles will be around eachother yes, but they don't hunt in packs, if you want to hangout with others deinos you can talk in local chat with them, having groups of 2 for deinos realistically shouldn't even happen since crocodiles don't hunt in packs

[tepid gate]

Utahraptor doesn't get anywhere close to that weight. It weighed around 500 kg based on the largest specimen we have.

As for Troodon - irl Stenonychosaurus which the in game Troodon is presumably based on weighed around 40kg. There are larger genera of Troodontids like Latenivenatrix which could've reached weights of an average African lion.

[limber hull]

little troodon still better tho

[compact hare]

I prefer the small troodon
making it bigger could mess with the niches and other playables in game

[manic sun]

guys wtf the dinos are created from humans u can make troodon as big as u want to

[limber hull]

yea

and i want troodon to be tiny

literally just try and stop me

[manic sun]

get the f away with ur realism arguments, I´m really salty rn

[limber hull]

im not talking realisically

i want the troodon to be fucking tiny

this is pure preference, i care not for realism

[manic sun]

yea it shouldn´t be as big as a utah

a tiny little venomous rat that hunts at night

and in big packs , that´s how I see it

just imagine a swarm of these things coming and screaming at u at night xD

[mystic lion]

Meaning you would rather not have Utah in the game? Any particular reason? It's one of the oldest & most beloved.

[manic sun]

he used a troll face, I think that was more of a joke bc of how horribly and badly utah is balanced rn

[mystic lion]

Ooh, I gotcha

[manic sun]

if utah would be deleted nothing would change that kind of thing

[mystic lion]

[manic sun]

sad times

[mystic lion]

Well, I'm sure they'll improve Utah at some point. They've got lots of feedback asking for it, so it's bound to happen, I think

[manic sun]

I also think that utah will drastically change sooner or later

[mystic lion]

I've said this a few times before, but I think Utah really only needs a couple of tweaks to its pounce & its jump to return to being a fun & unique dino to play

[gritty helm]

that and our "utah" is just a jp velociraptor rip off but yeah, it was just a joke lol

[mystic lion]

Couldn't you say that about the Spoon & Rex, as well, though? Lol I get ya though

[manic sun]

I hope they´ll add some more character to their popular dinosaurs, so that u can kind of see ahh this is the Evrima rex and this is the JP Spoon

[mystic lion]

Well, I think they did alter Spoon's appearance quite a bit, right? Iirc, it's going to look more tanky in Evrima

[manic sun]

they did and I really like it

[mystic lion]

Yeah, it looks quite cool. I like both the older appearance and the newer upcoming one

[gritty helm]

spino and even troodon do also fall into that category (troodon being more on a conceptual level) but, at least troodon looks and sounds cool and spino is just... wasted potential from a design perspective

rex is fine though I wish it was a little chunkier cause if any dino should be the resident chonker it should be rex imo

[mystic lion]

Hahaha I get ya. Rex is definitely a chonker. & I love the upcoming Troodon design & calls. I think it's gonna be mad fun

[tepid gate]

Where does this idea that "dinos are made from humans" comes from? The only thing that's theorised is that those dinosaurs have human consciousness implanted into them.

Arguing about Troodon's size is irrelevant in terms of irl sizes of animals simply based on the fact that this animal doesn't even exist. The only reason why I'm bringing these two up is that Troodon seems to be quite clearly based on Stenonychosaurus in terms of its size(which would put it at 40kg, not 30 as it was stated above) and because the devs said that they are going for the largest paleoaccurate estimates for all the animals with some exceptions.

Besides all that - this argument that Latenivenatrix-sized Troodon would invalidate Utah is just laughable - Latenivenatrix isn't a Utah-sized animal. It's the size of our Herrerasaurus and I don't see anyone claiming that Herrerasaurus overlaps Utah in terms of their niches.

[limber hull]

the dinos are literally made from a human construct lmao

[tepid gate]

That's completely different than "made from humans"

I fail to see how the replicator creating them has any effect on this conversation

[limber hull]

AE is a bioengineering company. To doubt they haven't had a say in every dinosaur's design is silly

[tepid gate]

Saying that they did is just an assumption too

This isn't JP where you had one of the scientists say that they've "added some random DNA to fill in the gaps"

We do instead have the statements of the devs that they will for the most part use the largest paleoaccurate estimates for most animals - Troodon should therefore be 40kg, not 35

I don't even know where the 35kg came from and who came up with it but it's just wrong

[crisp topaz]

I think a big problem with trying to justify a creatures size and weight boils down to the fact that sure, that one fossil somebody found may indicate a specific size, but yall understand humans come in all shapes and sizes right?? Who's to say the largest fossil ever found is the largest that creature got? Or even the smallest. Imo it's all relative to what the DEVS want them to be and not so much relying on scientific fact, because we only know so much about the dinosaurs you can't really say that every troodon weighed 40kg. So shifting a creatures weight based on this alone isn't really that much of a design flaw. The devs can do what they want lol.

[limber hull]

@gritty helm there is literally concept art of troodon getting obliterated by an adult pteranodon lmao

top one

troodon's whole thing is being extremely fucking small and frail lmao

[tepid gate]

To be fair - "Kevin" is a meme and he's kind of become Tapwing's punching bag so I wouldn't necessarily assume that Pteranodon is going to murder Troodon based on that(although it is a possibility).

As for the message above - yea we can be certain that the animals we found aren't the biggest specimens within their species. That's a given, however the devs have specifically said that for the most part they are going to base the sizes of animals on their largest irl counterparts available in the paleorecord. It's not a given but unless we have some specific source saying that the animal is going to be bigger/smaller we should assume that it will be the size that paleonotlogy suggests for it.

There are exceptions to this like the Herrerasaurus being based on the smaller specimen rather than on the largest one.

[honest sparrow]

Big herra would kinda suck

[tepid gate]

It would

It wouldn't work for what it's meant to do

[limber hull]

I agree, I l like the small herra

[honest sparrow]

Mhm

[tepid gate]

I also think that there isn't much of a reason to make Troodon bigger

[limber hull]

honestly i just like the smaller carnivores doing things that allow it to get around the smaller size

[tepid gate]

However I simply disagree with the statement that the Latenivenatrix-sized Troodon would somehow overlap with Utah.

That doesn't mean I'd necessarily want it to be that big

Matter of fact based on what's been shown it's pretty clear that we got a Stenonychosaurus-sized Troodon

[honest sparrow]

I just want it to be at least visible above grass

[rare fractal]

Same, I’ve never said I wanted Troodon to be big for the sake of hp or size alone, just so that it’s visible, as troodon ahas one of the best models in game

[limber hull]

part of me kinda hopes that other extra small/small tiers utterly kick troodon's ass. Like a velo just bodies it or some shit lmao

[warm flame]

a velo beats a troodon to death with ease, and a tenonto dies to the venom in minutes

velo having venom immunity to clap troodons would be a nice touch

[urban flax]

I don't think velo would need venom immunity to clap troodon

[warm flame]

doesn't need it but I think it could have it to make it more deadly to them

[urban flax]

That falls in the category of "artificial counter" to me

[gritty helm]

I forgot about that LMFAO

[barren cloud]

That could be a compy though. It would make more sense given that compys are smaller and probably would get obliterated by a pteradon

[limber hull]

nah, its def troo

same face and body

[urban flax]

Compies are much smaller than that

[limber hull]

(also compy nearly never appears in concept art lmao)

[barren cloud]

That’s fair, I wonder if they plan on adding a lot of compy ai to give the game more of a realistic feel. Kill something and then a bunch of compys lurk just out of reach trying to snatch some food

I know I saw a group of them in a dev stream awhile back but in the wild they are only ever alone and just standing in one place

[honest sparrow]

It’s because of its invisibility ability

Also if troodon is 40 kg and our Ptera is 90, then uh

[gritty helm]

As hilarious as that would be it'd be a shame for them to put in so much work into something that's basically as useless as Velo.

Unless they make Troodon's venom fucking broken which given the devs current track record that's entirely possible

Imagine being something Carno size and you get taken down by something roughly the same size as a Velo

[lavish quail]

Thats completely reasonable smh

If you get a bunch of poison in you cause you cant hit a small target you should be dead smh

[gritty helm]

I'm aware venom and poison can be hella potent but from a balance perspective it'd be laughable to see Carno's be scared shitless of something they could squish under their feet

It'd be like BoB where Velo is/was arguably the most broken creature in the game

[lavish quail]

Yeah but carno mains need shit to fear anyway

[gritty helm]

Granted Troodon in this scenario would be broken for different reasons but I digress

[lavish quail]

rn its dont attack stego and deino and you can do whatever else you want

[lavish quail]

paleo nerd stuffff

troodon poison baby go brrr

[manic flint]

i mean technically troodon still exists but only as a tooth, stenyonychosaurus is the Troodon people are farmiliar with

[full torrent]

Troodon is going to be something that's cool on the outside but if the Venom has any degree of strength it's going to be miserable to deal with in game

It's basically gonna be like when baby utahs are frustrated and just run around biting your legs but actually dangerous.

[paper oriole]

Prehistoric wildlife moment

[hoary dawn]

a channel for complaining

[signal beacon]

Exactly

[meager tiger]

Why do people keep thinking a venomous animal needs to be huge. A damn frog can kill a elephant. Size isn't everything. Smol brain idiots keep thinking combat is about bigness lol

[paper oriole]

a lot of "hurr durr big = stronk best" mentality around here

big is good for brawlers, not for stealth hunters

eve if troodon got upsized to laten's size he would get oneshot by most of the roster so what is the point

it would only make it harder for him to hide

animals like troodon and utah should make it their goal to not take any hits to begin with. size has very little affect on damage output

[gritty helm]

Not saying Troodon needs to be huge but I'd prefer it to be a little bit bigger than Velo size. Not just for "viability" purposes but as a couple people stated it'd be nice to actually see the creature you're playing especially if you're walking through grass

[paper oriole]

troo is bigger than velo

cetainly taller, at least

[barren cloud]

Can you still not eat coconuts??

[gritty helm]

It really doesn't look like it's much taller

Imo anyways

[gritty helm]

gonna be a headass here just to say frogs aren't venomous but I do see where you're coming from

[manic flint]

What about the unnamed arctic Troodontid

[hoary dawn]

p

[paper oriole]

prehistoric wildlife moment

[hoary dawn]

people are talking about the size of the troodon in amarok's stream, which was significantly smaller than the ones in the concepts

[paper oriole]

the silhouettes are also cursed as fuck lol

[gritty helm]

By the footage that I've seen (from amarok) what looked like a fresh spawn Utah dwarfed a (presumably) adult Troodon in size. Which is why i brought up upsizing it to better fit the concept art

But with venom

[hoary dawn]

burrow, climb, faster

[paper oriole]

semiarboreal velo would be neat

especially if they fixed him to be feathered so he could slowfall

actually making burrows would look weird on it

being among the top tier burrow raiders and thieves would be good

compy is waaay smaller

[visual patrol]

Split rosters which have been implied and apex’s not being playable on officials,which has also been implied is an objectively bad idea

[hoary dawn]

roster split is not real

[honest sparrow]

“If we have rex, why do we need Giga”

Fuck my bad

[paper oriole]

oh god another dime suggestion

[visual patrol]

It’s been implied/soft confirmed by the devs

[honest sparrow]

It’s just Kissen

[hoary dawn]

show

[visual patrol]

Rip the isle

[honest sparrow]

It not actually happening

At least according to the last statement by punch

[visual patrol]

If there’s a split roster I’d genuinely be so disappointed

[icy lion]

Read the pins in #isle-discussion

[visual patrol]

Idk how to read pins

[hoary dawn]

kissen said a dumb thing and then later punch clarified that it was just a misunderstanding of what she was trying to say

[honest sparrow]

It was a thing that happened where basically Kissen implied that the roster would be split into multiple ones that would be exclusive from one another due to size

[icy lion]

The thumbtack icon in the top right

[visual patrol]

Ok let me check

[icy lion]

You too, read the pins in #isle-discussion

[paper oriole]

splitting the roster to force separate mid tiers from magy to protect the bad choice they made

[honest sparrow]

And frankly, pissed a lot of people off, but now it’s solved or something

[icy lion]

This has been clarified to death

[paper oriole]

titanboa would be free food

[honest sparrow]

I know lunar, I was just trying to help lmao

[paper oriole]

basically just an overgrown elephant trunk snake

palaeophis >>>> titanboa

[visual patrol]

Not if you gave if thermal vision,semi arboreal,can submerge and wrap around prey

[paper oriole]

badass sea snake for a marine roster eventually

[icy lion]

I really hope the devs don't go through with any snakes tbh

[honest sparrow]

So just give it a shitload of abilities that don’t mesh that well and hope it doesn’t get annihilated by deino

Got it

[paper oriole]

just completely change the animal so it isnt titanboa

[visual patrol]

Haven’t heard any better ideas

Or just don’t add it

[honest sparrow]

I hate that this thing got in over literally any other flyer

[paper oriole]

replace titanboa with palaeophis

when we get mosas and shit in like 20 years

[hoary dawn]

even with all those abilities it'd still get wrecked by everything and starve if it doesn't

[visual patrol]

What is it

[paper oriole]

arboreal titanboa would just be a handicapped herrera

[honest sparrow]

Blue explaining to me how it works because it’s just juvi deino that has slightly better luck inland

[visual patrol]

😮

[paper oriole]

giant sea snake, could be venomous

[honest sparrow]

Mhm

[visual patrol]

Feel like we should have another aquatic/semi aquatic creature to live along side/compete with deino

[honest sparrow]

I doubt the devs would make it so it cannot move on land

That would be actual garbage

[honest sparrow]

Beipi, minmi, Austro, Bary, sucho, and Spino

[visual patrol]

No like an actual aquatic animal

[honest sparrow]

Oh yeah and cheirus

[visual patrol]

Something like a crocodile

Like an amphibian or something

[honest sparrow]

A croc when deino exists would be redundant

[hoary dawn]

we dont need another crocodilian

[paper oriole]

deino is a crocodile isnt it

[hoary dawn]

gator

[visual patrol]

I used it as an example chill

[paper oriole]

purussaurus would be a clone and sarchosuchus would get rekt by deino

prestosuchus would be a cool land croc but it wouldnt compete with deino

[visual patrol]

What’s that

[paper oriole]

would be an interesting brawler bone breaker, could use its tail in combat unlike theropods

[honest sparrow]

I maintain it’s better than cheirus

[paper oriole]

i think cheirus was a good choice because both would have been a good choice imo

but a mid tier omnivore would have been nice to get a confirmation for before just skipping straight to apex brawler duck

[honest sparrow]

Cheirus is neat but then I remembered sucho exists

[paper oriole]

gigantoraptor would have been a good mid tier omni to get before adding an apex

still a mid tier tho i dont think giganto counts as apex

[honest sparrow]

Galli and ovi be like

[paper oriole]

its basically hyperendocrin galli

funny since its an ovi relative

and cheirus is a galli relative iirc

i think they stated before that battle scars would cause hella lag because the server having to keep track of injuries to apply them or something like that

but stuff like missing limbs would probably just make people commit suicide because it makes them a target

theres also all the extra animations to be made for models with missing limbs so it doesnt look silly

i havent heard anything about them planning that

[stark dust]

the fact that the community goes along with megalainia being in the isle but rejecting dimetrodon is hilarious

[visual patrol]

Mega>dimetro

[stark dust]

both shorter then human and they are practically close to the same size with megalania being bigger

[visual patrol]

I doubt they’d add both even tho dimetro would be cool

[stark dust]

yea

I like megalania but it doesnt fit in the isle since its a cenozoic

if the isle was a cenozoic survival game then its exceptable in my eyes

[visual patrol]

I think they added it to fit the lizard niche,I like it in the isle as long as they do it right

[stark dust]

honestly megalania does not sound like a good playable especially that we now have things like carno,allo and rex

[paper oriole]

Dime has a huge ass sail making it impossible to hide its just a worse mega

[visual patrol]

If they give mega certain aspects then it can be viable

[paper oriole]

Dime cant fit its fat sailed ass in to a burrow either

[stark dust]

megalania is just the lizard magy

[paper oriole]

Better than dime

[visual patrol]

Mega can law low,hide in burrows and babies can hopefully climb trees,plus it has venom

And it probably won’t be on a lot of thing’s diet

[stark dust]

if they are gonna make it viable it would be ridiculous like how magy is faster then allo

[paper oriole]

Dime would be free food may as well add cotylorhynchus at that point

[visual patrol]

No I don’t think so tbh,I think it’s easy to make mega viable

[paper oriole]

Magy cant hide well because of its shape but mega can

[stark dust]

Chad ankylosaurus

chad carno

[visual patrol]

Tf is that

Tbf that is just a magy re-skin,might as well add that into the isle instead

[stark dust]

tru

Honestly they shouldnt add dward sauropods

[visual patrol]

Amargo instead of magy

[stark dust]

yea

[paper oriole]

They should have added baja or shuno instead of magy

[visual patrol]

It’s smaller than most and and spikes but is still big

[stark dust]

stilll amargo and bajada will have challanges to face off especially the apexes

[paper oriole]

Badass

[visual patrol]

Acro and giga in my opinion should be population control for sauropods

[stark dust]

its just a better then magy but sometimes better doesnt mean its god

[visual patrol]

I mean just look at that 🤩

[stark dust]

looks cool

[paper oriole]

Baja and shuno are so cool but we got whatll probably be a worse tenonto

Tenonto but it tastes bad

[stark dust]

if oro and pue had a baby

[visual patrol]

We probably got the worst sauropod we could’ve got,unless there’s a smaller even less viable one out there

[paper oriole]

We got the sauropod that got wiped instantly after a landbridge opened to its safespace island

[visual patrol]

If magy tastes bad for most dinos then I think that’s a cop out of the devs behalf because they can’t find other ways for it to be viable

[paper oriole]

Tasting bad wont stop kfs

[stark dust]

yea the kosers

[paper oriole]

Wont even make it viable

[visual patrol]

They’ll have to make a server just for Magys to live

[stark dust]

the only dinosaur that would actually want to eat magy is cerato

[visual patrol]

I cant see a magy beating a cera tbh

Unless it knocks it over

[paper oriole]

Such a shame theres so many cool lower end sauropods they could have added instead of magy

[visual patrol]

But apparently cera weighs more so idk if that would happen

True

[paper oriole]

Magy was shown tipping a cera over in its concept and in cera's concept he was fcking beheading magy lmao its like they know magy is fodder and still wasting money to add it

[visual patrol]

I guess we’ll have to see how it plays out

[stark dust]

magy faster then allo

[paper oriole]

That was a lie

Pretty funny lie

[visual patrol]

I do feel like they’ll do something fishy to make it more powerful or something

[paper oriole]

Unless they shoot allo in the kneecaps

[meager tiger]

Can we have a playable big monke lol

[barren zephyr]

Gigantopithecis

He'd be around psuedo mid-small tier

It would get bodied

[paper oriole]

pithecus is that big gorilla/orangutan looking guy right

[barren zephyr]

yeah

It'd be funny to manhandle a troodon or hypsi

But anything near Utah or Teno sized is clapping it

[meager tiger]

I was thinking a geneitcally modfied one the size of carno

And the Elder can be t-rex size

These things are slow. So the only advtange would be numbers and size

[fierce lintel]

where is the allo concept art lol

understandable

[worn epoch]

@frozen spruce could u explain what u mean cuz legacy doesn’t have that system

[frozen spruce]

Right, In legacy I can go up to another utah if I'm playing a utah, 2 call to let them know I'm friendly but I'm not being forced to group if they 2 call back

[fierce lintel]

you hold 2 call to send a group invite

not tap

[worn epoch]

That’s only in evrima

[fierce lintel]

ik

[worn epoch]

Legacy doesn’t have that system

[frozen spruce]

is it hold now? it was just a normal 2 call when I played before

[fierce lintel]

yes

i was growing a deino the other day and i had to hold

out of context that is odd

[worn epoch]

Oh that’s what u mean
Hold 2 to send a grp inv and hold 2 to accept one

[fierce lintel]

mhm

[frozen spruce]

That makes it easier than if thats the case. I didn't want to play Evrima and be forced into groups or accidently add others if I'm just trying to show I'm friendly

[fierce lintel]

i think evrima's group invite system with the legacy one would be good, and the invite pop up is perfect

so like if your friend is on the other side of the map and you want to group, you can send them an invite through the player list

unless I'm just stupid and that's still a thing in evrima

[frozen spruce]

The last time I played Evrima it wasn't and the only way to invite was to 2 call and they 2 called back. Which is why I didn't like the idea

[fierce lintel]

ight

[lavish quail]

Mini mod smh

Tf does that mean tho

meant*

[lavish quail]

My forhead is larger

[paper oriole]

QA servers: are 40% carno players

Isle devs:

https://tenor.com/view/more-kylo-ren-adam-driver-screaming-star-wars-gif-17734637

[lapis tree]

Didn’t they remove Carno ai?

[last lily]

You mean 55%??

[paper oriole]

Honestly… probably

[urban flax]

@drifting cape This is waay too early for modding support

[drifting cape]

They did it with legacy too, and it was early access too. So idk why not now, and i mean it on normal evrima not quality assurance.

[urban flax]

That doesn't mean it was a good idea in legacy
Devs are more urgent things to do than to allow mod support

[lavish quail]

Mod support would be nice thooo

ya know more than 9 dinos

Would be pretty nice

considering 1/3 of them are basically immune to the rest of the roster

woulddd be nice

[urban flax]

Just have a little patience and wait for them to release officially...

[untold tulip]

is the server down? I'm not finding any servers

[indigo stone]

Full grown deino kill full grown deino when they don’t even need food for sport

Your so good because u get the first bite in

[lavish quail]

Yes

all skill

all sport

[ebon girder]

@lucid helm phase two is not the chat for asking questions. And why would they?< refering to you question

[rare fractal]

@potent plinth Every time I see a phase two release I can't help but notice how hilarious "we noticed you've wanted some X concept art" like no we want the game to be in a playable state, right now the devs have a functioning concept but lack the execution of that concept, so why would we get excited for far future content if the content we have right now doesn't work

[urban flax]

Concept artists aren't the same people that the ones who program the game, so you can't blame them for sharing concept arts
Also concept art takes much less time and work to do than actual production

[rare fractal]

Obviously, I'm not complaining about that, I'm pointing out how they will often say that this concept art is something the community has been anxiously waiting for

[limber hull]

yea thats the thing, concept artists are completely seperate

[urban flax]

People ask for a lot of concept arts in phase two requests

[limber hull]

the argument of "we dont want concept art, we want better programming" is ridiculous

[rare fractal]

Again, not an argument I'm making :p

[limber hull]

since its not like either Punch or the concept artists are doing any work on the programming

[limber hull]

they literally ask "what do you want to see in phase two" in #phase-three-requests, its based on popular demand

[urban flax]

If I was to make a complain, it would be about the lack of human content lately
They've been announced to come by end of this year, yet we have seen nothing about them yet
I'd understand if they want to keep their progression a secret to not overhype people or have them become mad at details, but it feels like they haven't made a lot of progress

[rare fractal]

Oh ok then my mistake

[ebon girder]

@potent plinth you're acting like the concept arts are slowing the development down

[urban flax]

Also quite a few people are asking for human content in phase two but we haven't seen anything yet

[limber hull]

again, 100% certain this is to keep expectations low, since they've actively admitted they will be a slow implementation, from basic movement to proper tools and weapons to vehicles and so on

also to keep mystery high

[rare fractal]

Specifically in regards to humans, they like to keep certain content hidden to build hype, pretty much always bites them in the ass later

[urban flax]

Yeah I guess so

[limber hull]

i think its the opposite

if they reveal all these fancy shmancy human things

then add humans as basically just a small example of their perspective and basic movement and features

people would be pissed off

because they have images of all this cool shit and humans cant even attack

thats my take on it

however, even in this state, im still hyped as hell for them

[crisp topaz]

All truth

[potent plinth]

Totally agree with you

[potent plinth]

No, you didn't understood what you read, we love concept arts but we are here to play the game. This feels more like: Concept arts: the game!

It feels like there's no game, its just concept arts. I understand this game is in developement but, other games like BoB and PoT are doing more often releases, they are not perfect, but are often enough to keep people interested AND! They are getting better over time, The Isle updates here feel like moving sands, dragging you in hopeless depression, for every update they release they backtrack with some many issues. Its like they don't know what they are doing.

[ebon girder]

Ok i understand

[hoary dawn]

[urban flax]

Like gore

No need to cancel things because you're afraid of a minority of players

[rich wigeon]

eh, found out my nephew knows and wants the game but his mom wont let him get it due to "weirdos" so it's not a non-issue

[hoary dawn]

poop is just unnecessary as a mechanic

all the things it could do can be done just as good if not better by other mechanics

[urban flax]

Fertilizing
Tracking and identification

[urban flax]

Game is 18+

[rich wigeon]

yeah if only perants actually paid attention to that lol

the gaming world would be much better off

[urban flax]

Farming is planned for tribals

[hoary dawn]

since when

[urban flax]

Also footprints only provide minimal information

[urban flax]

I don't know since when, I think it's been mentioned in some streams

You apparently don't know anything about irl tracking and hunting then

So since its a game you can confidently tell there are things that won't work ? That'd be like me saying poison will be useless because it won't have any effect

[hoary dawn]

being able to know a bit more information about something isn't worth adding poop

[urban flax]

What makes it "worth adding" or not ?
You guys are so freaked out by something you see everyday

[silver zephyr]

also, why do we necessarily need more "useful" sources of tracking

[hoary dawn]

im not "freaked out" i'd just prefer not to watch dinosaurs poop

[urban flax]

Remove death from the game then ? I don't like to see my dino dying

Cause you also assume it will remain a buggy mess forever ?

[low canopy]

i just see it as extra burden to cause even more bugs and issues down the line while giving next to nothing to the game

[hoary dawn]

death makes sense for a pvpve horror game, poop does not

[urban flax]

It does for an animal survival game

[hoary dawn]

not one in the vein of what the isle is

[low canopy]

i have always been concerned that they take too ambitious approach with the game, but since i'm not a programmer i cant really say anything on the subject

[silver zephyr]

even if poop does have uses, are those uses needed? its like saying they should add a hyper realistic cooking minigame for mercs

[hoary dawn]

detailed reproduction minigame cuz realism

[urban flax]

I juyst find people's arguments against it are quite stupid

And did I ever mention realism ?

[cyan flame]

Better and more interesting tracking would be good, and while it can all be crammed into long lasting footprints (barring performance), it would be better with another way, no matter what sort of leavings would fit.

Probably not as much no

Since you're liable to leave less of it, than tracks every other step :p

In any case, I've no idea why you're concerned with something that has been mentioned a grand total of what, a time or two, as something that may or may not happen sometime in the future, most likely a long time from now

Why would it even have much of that? Textures would work?

[hoary dawn]

people are concerned for the future of the game

[cyan flame]

Like mud you know

Or at least similar to mud

Granted our current mud pools are a bit more fancy but still

[cyan flame]

Yes but this is hardly a valid concern. If people are worried about performance, there are worse things. If people are worried about what they're working on, this is nowhere near relevant from what we know. And so on.

No because you're focused on "shit" and not the mechanic itself

Ah yes, leaving a little texture on the ground that you'd not even notice you left would surely hinder you in your escape more than the tracks and potential blood you're leaving

Except you did not, since you've not even thought about extended tracking in any form :p

And if you think it would be like Ark, well, thats on you :p

[urban flax]

smh your reasons are more valid than the ones he gave you that it would not break the game and would provide something gameplay-wise

[cyan flame]

Yes and I have great concerns with how footprints currently works, I can assure you :p

That does not mean I can't appreciate markings otherwise, such as scratching a tree, and what else

Sure, you could use some other kind of leavings

I don't care if it's literal shit or not, I care for the idea that I can come across something that can tell me what was here 20 min ago, and where it might possibly have gone depending on the state of said dropping

Something that tracks would not do

Because I sincerely doubt having tracks last for that long, with the amount you leave, would be good for performance

As opposed to something you might drop every 30 min instead

[hoary dawn]

the mechanic itself can be applied to a system that doesn't involve feces

[cyan flame]

It might, if they all manage to shit at the same time and stays there for too long. But then they want to encourage people to move in the first place :p And I imagine the tracks from said large group would be even worse

As a matter of fact, we know that footprints in such a situation is all kinds of bad, both for performance and for visual ability for that matter ^^

[cyan flame]

Yes. I have no issue with that. I take issue with people saying "it doesnt do anything for the game/mechanicwise", not that they dislike feces, even if I personally find it rather strange to be so upset about it. If you want to use shed skin instead, that's okay, as long as you can consider if leaving shed skin can fulfil a game mechanic/purpose.

But in most cases, the argument is "it doesnt do anything useful" when that's just not correct if you'd bothered to spend more than a minute thinking about it properly :p

Well, it might discourage afking :p

[silver zephyr]

isnt that partially the purpose of the diets though

[cyan flame]

No

[paper oriole]

Afk can just be discouraged with body odor that was also mentioned by devs

[cyan flame]

That's just what people think, but diets are more so to spread people out and have them be in an area and all that

[paper oriole]

We dont need the mild diarrhea suggestion to make it in to game

[ebon girder]

^^

[silver zephyr]

or maybe it does both?

[cyan flame]

It can, but we also know you can afk with diets so :p

[ebon girder]

Personally, i dont like to shit on my nest

[paper oriole]

I mean buildup, most likely eventually becoming scentable more directly than just footprints

[silver zephyr]

wouldnt that be because diets is still in testing and will likely need to be tweaked a lot throughout the games lifespan?

[cyan flame]

Doubtful. As soon as you've met your nutrients, you go afk? :p

[paper oriole]

Remember when stuff like this just got laughed at. Now we got people unironically supporting it

[cyan flame]

Wouldn't that require that you can manually shit? Unless you're really good at timing and knowing exactly when you're going to drop one I guess? :p

[paper oriole]

Ahem, a mild diarrhea if you will

[ebon girder]

a year ago you would have gotten muted for suggesting nesting animations, now its coming to the game

[paper oriole]

The devs be wildin

[cyan flame]

See what I mean though, you're more into the "diarrhea" thing than the idea itself. ^^ I'm inclined to think you're the ones having far too much of an interest in these subjects :p

[silver zephyr]

i think nesting anims will be fine if they just like sit down and then stand up with the eggs in the nest

[paper oriole]

Didnt they mention egg laying animations or something

They also mentioned diarrhea not just shit

Including for mercs iirc

[ebon girder]

egg laying animations*

[paper oriole]

Oh god imagine them wasting precious time and money to go back and add those to all the dino models

Instead of giving us something cool

[cyan flame]

You guys need help, has it ever occured to you this isn't Ark? :p

[paper oriole]

Imagine if one of the new devs talked them in to this

[ebon girder]

they must all be if it gets approved off

[ebon girder]

jace

[paper oriole]

oh nooo lmao

There are a lot of fetishists in the isle community sometimes it leaks in to fanart too

Who just got muted by the bot

[ebon girder]

i mean its not unknown that a certain percentage of this community are fucking weird

[silver zephyr]

aside from the actual shit and stuff i dont even think their supposed purpose is needed

[paper oriole]

Ive seen some nasty shit posted by this community and even talked about by raptors at docks in legacy

Both tracking and personal punishment odor can be done without it

[silver zephyr]

tracking wise i feel they can just expand the footprint system imo

[cyan flame]

How would you expand it then?

[silver zephyr]

idk

[cyan flame]

... Useful :p

[honest sparrow]

I like how the guy speaking against nasty shit got muted

[honest sparrow]

#general-feedback message

[cyan flame]

Not sure on the "affinity" thing at all. It also conflicts with territory markings or similar instead, for that matter. The scent plume, or just like group/mix scent would work purely for the afk situation. But in general it's not that worked out on what it would do and how it actually extends tracking very much.

But it's a decent try I suppose :p

[honest sparrow]

The general idea I got from it is that since the affinity system is a thing that is going to occur, dinos doing certain actions to appease said system will leave scent markers, these can be used to track down said dinos based on what they’re doing and adds more interactivity to the game. The scent plume is exactly what it says it is “AFK Scent Plume”. Honestly I rather an interactive system that leads to dynamic tracking situations rather than popping a squat but that’s just me.

[cyan flame]

I'm not sure I see how those scent markers will be that much dynamic at all. More interaction, sure, but I'd rather have them as territory markings and similar, which is another use for extended scent for that matter. But if a scent marker can tell me your current status, food and water level, nutrient levels, maybe health (if you're wounded) and so on, it would work out. Assuming they also last plenty long then.

[honest sparrow]

That can also work and be integrated, it’s a very rough idea that can be expanded

[cyan flame]

All good then :) Not a fan of affinity, but that's a whole other issue. But if you left scent markings while traveling/sitting around (as well as the afk one if you sit for too long I guess), that would be just fine.

[gritty helm]

Didn't it also get to a point where people were banned for suggesting it? Take me back to those times

[hybrid matrix]

wait
wait wait wait wait wait
that was in 2019?
holy shit

[main patrol]

are coconuts broken still?

this tree isn't spawning any

[paper oriole]

it really does feel much older than it is lol. like some ancient relic of cringe

[hybrid matrix]

for me it also feels younger
alt und doch jung zugleich (sorry if i spelled it poorly, i only recently started learning german)

[zealous violet]

I agree with this. It's uncanny how we get so many dick looking objects in this dang game on the map.

[reef nacelle]

Coconut trees with no coconuts? anyone else able to get em?

So EU2 QA is gone now?

Why, OH WHY is the Isle not allowing me to grow any dam creature. I had the issue on official with login back into no dino, deleted, and now EU2 QA is gone ?> replaced? The heck?! My dino was on there

[ebon girder]

the german sentence seems fine

[reef nacelle]

And EU3 is down? Stuff this game

Official and mech servers a screwing me over

[spice shell]

are you safelogging (sleeping waiting for the timer to run to zero) or are you just hitting logout?

[reef nacelle]

I appreciate the question but yes I am safe loggin

[spice shell]

then im not sure why your progress is not saved, i only lose dinos when patches come out, but even then sometimes it retains my progress

[safe galleon]

isn't the buffer between having 0 hunger the low food and damage you take

[spice shell]

has anyone flown the coast lately?......its mostly gone!

[main patrol]

there goes na2...

i swear im gonna lose it with how these servers are managed

[reef nacelle]

amen

[teal parrot]

@pine bluff Yep and ALSO, while nature does not hand carnivores food, they can also go for long periods of time starving between meals.
Then you hav in incongruency of weight changes depending on stomach fullness. Belly is full. dino is plump. Belly is empty, dino is anorexic. I LOVE the way u can see if a dino is well fed or watered by how its body looks. but NOT liking the BODY appearance being based on how full the belly is.
The devs SAY they want a survival game that is not frenetically paced. but the current state of things where you can starve to death in a single night makes the game frenetic, fast paced, more like a pvp deathmatch than a survival experience where characters live and develop legacies.

[pine bluff]

I don't mind the pace that the Utahs, because that what I usually play, go hungry. The speed seems fairly normal and natural for me. But starting out starving just seems to make it frustrating to play, more than encouraging to go out and do various activities. I'm not saying start out full either. 50% seems fair to me; hungry enough to go forth and search, but not so hungry that you're gonna starve before you get somewhere. The Pteri's seem to get thirsty reeeally fast to me, but I can understand the food at least since they are flying and expanding energy. I don't play Carno's on principle because they tick me off, and deino's seem fine.

I guess what I'm getting at, is that aside from the fact that I feel like they've made Utah's so weak that they're scavengers more than anything, I feel like the game has a lot of good stuff.... They just have little things that make things frustrating.... Like having no map. I need maps. I have no sense of direction in real life, what makes you think a digital game gives me any better of a sense of direction?

[teal parrot]

totally agree about the carnivores starting out with no food. I think with utahs, hell, with EVERYTHING, it needs to be much harder to kill everything, and attacks need to do comparatively much less alpha damage, but broken bones and lacerations need to be the most dangerous thing in fights. Utahs used to latch on to prey and severely lacerate them. Pounces need to be one of the most blood letting attacks in the game so far, but, not high alpha damage. I think the only high alpha attacks should be stego spikes, and of course, damage from any dino that can crush another dinos body in its jaws.

[teal parrot]

i have bad direction sense too tho. but im ok with no maps cuz Im used to wandering around in the woods IRL. lol

[limber hull]

i completely disagree with the idea of maps in this game

you have a compass

animals dont have a magic brain map, they recognise where they are based on surroundings

i also have no sense of direction irl, but i managed to learn the game map

[pine bluff]

But animals are capable of remembering previous locations. Maybe a map you unlock, like a fogged map. I just know that as a human player, I'm very bad at identifying location unless I play in that specific location lots and lots, and even a halfway decent map would be helpful

[limber hull]

idk man

seems too Path of Titans for me and would hurt immersion imho

i just remember that there's a radio tower near a lake at south

and remember there's a ton of shit around that lake

so i look for south, see if i can find the radio tower, then move to it

[pine bluff]

Sure, it sounds reasonable when you say it that way, but in actual gameplay, navigation is a bit harder. There's a map on vulnona.com for the Isle, Evrima. People can put comments, and location tabs on it, and that's all nice and all, but even just a basic map without all the notations. Just so people have an idea/mental picture.

[limber hull]

i never really use that map, just memorise roughly where all the cool landmarks are

[hoary dawn]

learning how to navigate the map is part of the fun

[pine bluff]

XD Learning how to navigate the map you HAVE is fun. XD There will be people who, obviously, don't want a map, but the nice thing about it is that it can be a mechanic that you use only if you want to, otherwise, those who don't bother are fine without.

[limber hull]

idk man

i have less fun exploring when i have a map

i think those minecraft minimap mods are the lamest things ever

[pine bluff]

I've not messed around with any minecraft minimap mods, so I have no opinion on that end of things but.... Like I said above, if it was a mechanic, than those who don't want to use the map don't have to, while those who do are happy.

[limber hull]

idk

seems like it'd be a mechanic that just is a straight advantage to people who use it lmao

and then everyone would use it because its literally stupid not to

getting lost in dense jungles and wide plains is part of the game and part of exploring

[pine bluff]

Not necessarily. It could be like when you open your profile. When you have it open, you aren't moving your dino around, and can't interact. Your screen is fairly well blocked, and anything can sneak up on you. The same could be with the map; it leaves you vulnerable, and then over time you are able to identify common areas.

[limber hull]

it'd make more sense if this game had any semblance of random generation

but you can navigate this map without needing a map

personally i see it as just something that detracts from the game

rather than adds to it

[pine bluff]

I think that's something we'll have to disagree on. XD What about your opinion on carno's starting out basically starving?

[limber hull]

its fine, encourages you to get out and eat things rather than sit in a bush

[hoary dawn]

its that way so they can fill up their diets right off the bat

[pine bluff]

I mean, sure, it does that. If you don't just starve to death over and over. XD

[jovial hazel]

If you starve to death more than once you aren't using your brain. Just eat your body from before, at the least.

[limber hull]

never had that issue with starvation, as long as I find AI or a carcass, I'm good

[hoary dawn]

i mean i have yet to starve to death in evrima, as long as you join a decently populated server there will almost always be a way to survive

and with all the new ai its even easier

[pine bluff]

In Evrima I've not had that issue. In the Test server, it's happened multiple times, multiple different carno species. If you don't spawn in just the right area, then you're basically screwed.

[limber hull]

ehh

i spawned north east as carnivore just to see if i could starve

found an AI quickly and survived till 50% on a perfect diet

[pine bluff]

I agree with the fact that you need to start out hungry to prompt people to participate, but I don't necessarily believe that starting out with like.... 18% food is enough.

Herbivores can at least graze and fill up enough so that they don't die and can find their way to their food source. Carnivores, like Pteri's or Utahs, have to come close enough to a small AI or a corpse, and some areas that's just super hard to find.

[hoary dawn]

pteras can fish

[pine bluff]

If you find the river.

Depends on spawn zone.

[hoary dawn]

the massive river that goes across the entire map

that most of the spawn zones put you near

as an animal that can fly

[pine bluff]

And yet I've spawned multiple times not close. And yes, Pteri's can fly, but as newly spawned young, they can't fly very long, and I've found it's very common/easy to just crash into the water and drown.

[hoary dawn]

practice and learn the map better, juvie ptera can cover a lot of ground if you manage your stam properly. same with skimming

its the easiest playable in the game

[pine bluff]

shrugs I've found it is once you get to the 2nd stage of growth, but...... being tiny and starving? Yeah, I didn't get far.

[hoary dawn]

since when was compass removed?

[tight oxide]

it doesnt show n e s w

pretty sure thats very simple to notice

[hoary dawn]

the part that goes up is north and the part that goes down is south, the compass is still there

[tight oxide]

i mean showing the symbols

[hoary dawn]

its not really necessary

[tight oxide]

i dont see the point of it not coming back

it was helpful for new players

[hoary dawn]

its the same thing but without letters

[tight oxide]

doesnt matter

no big reason to not add back the letters

[hoary dawn]

i mean, no real reason to bring them back either. it still functions exactly the same

[tight oxide]

i mean

new players can figure it out easily

which is helpful when being thrown into a game you dont know much about in terms of surviving

[hoary dawn]

new players can figure out the current one easy as well

[tight oxide]

not really

just saying letters on compass would be a pretty neat thing in a quality of life update

[hoary dawn]

they get into the game, use sniff, see the compass at the top of the screen, and use the compass

[tight oxide]

they wouldnt know where north or south at first

[hoary dawn]

w

[tight oxide]

you're thinking with a veteran mind

[hoary dawn]

up is north, that's how compasses work

[tight oxide]

east and west

they could get that confused

and its just some darn letters...

[hoary dawn]

people not knowing directions is more of a them problem

never eat soggy waffles

[tight oxide]

bruh

first pretty harsh to say their problem

second wow you know that saying too neat

[paper oriole]

That diet suggestion doesnt really work because an animal's capabilities and needs can change drastically as they reach adulthood

Rex is a prime example

[stark dust]

the fuck how is that a joke lol

monke is the better human merc

[paper oriole]

How is it hard to read down=south up=north without janky letters invading the ui

[zealous violet]

I just wanna know why the devs and even us players seem to be so obsessed with comparing this game to other games. Im at fault for this too but like.. is it cuz its like other games? I mean, The isle really doesnt have any true competitors.

[paper oriole]

Its an easy way to prop up or put down the isle or the game its being compared to i guess

[limber hull]

yea

its usually compared to the only two other dinosaur games anyone ever cares about

[paper oriole]

Hypsi storing food in its crop to use for its spit attack wouldn't make sense since it is its stomach acid which it is using for its attack

[stark dust]

honestly screw skin system gender skins are way better

[zealous violet]

I know it doesnt necessarily make sense but its already the weakest playable we have, it doesnt even provide enough food for carnis and now its only offense and defense is nerfed the moment it spawns it? Its just not fair.

[paper oriole]

They could just fix its spawn values

[limber hull]

I wouldn't call it the weakest

I would say it has more going for it than dryo lmao

[zealous violet]

hmm I suppose dryo is also in those ranks

[stark dust]

hypsi is just a throw away dinosaur

[zealous violet]

At least with a dryo you can fill your belly up a bit if your a carni

[limber hull]

Hypsi isn't a throwaway

[zealous violet]

true, true

[limber hull]

It's getting a lot of work on it lmao

[paper oriole]

Hypsi fills the annoying throwaway troll dino role that dryo used to have in legacy

[stark dust]

chad dryo

[limber hull]

Hypsi is going to get growth, climbing, tree nests, dust baths, etc.

Dryo felt better in legacy than it does in EVRIMA, which is sad

[zealous violet]

I often use hypsi to come back and be an absolute pest to anyone whos killed me cuz theres no location lock (Dumb thing anyways) on it and I dont care if it does five seconds after spawning in

[paper oriole]

When players died in legacy and didnt feel like regrowing so they just went dryo and harassed people. Thats hypsi now

I killed some young stego as a teno and it came back as a hypsi and harassed my herd mate its the same shit lol

[limber hull]

i choose dryo because i found the horror aspect and burrowing cool

[stark dust]

same

[limber hull]

new dryo just sucks

tbh

[stark dust]

the one thing I am not looking foward for the isle is the skin system

[stark dust]

true

[zealous violet]

why not?

[paper oriole]

Im eager to see how good skin system is

[stark dust]

I perfer gender skins because its more natrualistic

[paper oriole]

Sick of clone dinos tbh, even in legacy everybody has the same pattern

[stark dust]

I dont want any albino or banana skins

or pure black ones

[paper oriole]

Banana skins are gross but without customization it feels kinda boring

[urban flax]

Skin system=everybody black or albino
Good thinking

[stark dust]

yea but atleast it isnt cringe or disgusting to look at

[paper oriole]

If they can make it so you cant make every layer yellow or some shit again its fine

But some dinos like velo can look good in black

[stark dust]

pure black hypsi

[paper oriole]

I mean why not

[stark dust]

and plus am I the only one who notice but ever since they add the skin system in legacy they toned down the detail of the dinos by a long shot

[zealous violet]

is it tho? Cuz we have a lot of diversity irl too.
I myself will be happy that we will be able to place identifying markers on our dinos. Like ahh yes, I know this green, grey and brown utah with the red nose blaze.

[paper oriole]

They toned down on utah details because all the cringe blue and indoraptor wannabes right

[stark dust]

like the isle itself they have these mechanics that sound good on paper but is executed poorly

[urban flax]

So since it was executed poorly once, it will always be executed poorly

[stark dust]

pretty much

[paper oriole]

Lame way of thinking tbh

[urban flax]

[paper oriole]

If they can bring it back better let them

[stark dust]

call me negative but I have low expectations of the isle right now

[zealous violet]

Cringe is only acceptable when used for the self. Otherwise its rude and can be hurtful. Let others enjoy what they like unless is directly damaging.

[paper oriole]

Yeah the devs have a history is screwing some shit up but they also get things right on other times

[urban flax]

Saying they can't learn or progress is still kinda hard on looking down on them

[stark dust]

I mean looking at what they have done in the pass by treating there customers....

[zealous violet]

I get frustrated with them a lot but I gotta admit that this game is really my top favorite and ive spent years of my actual life on it.