general-feedback-discussion

[paper oriole]

Them they come to feedback to cry about slower animals beating them even though they are busted af in qa

Yeah honestly i feel almost no spite for utahs in QA too and i usually hate their guts

[limber hull]

weird how the fastest animal can't manage to leave a kill

[urban flax]

Carno players are gonna cry so much when cerato is implemented and it can steal their kills

[weak dune]

ikr 😂

[keen reef]

They already ball their eyes out when crocs take something from them they weren't planning to eat anyway

[limber hull]

lmao

[weak dune]

lmao

ur not wrong

[limber hull]

they complain steg is OP because they cannot kill it

Even in their amazing cool megapacks which are totally valid measurement of balance

[keen reef]

Speaking of stego

[weak dune]

Alright but when you're playing stego, not even an ADULT stego at that, and they're trying so hard to kill you but just do baby damage, its hilarious af

[limber hull]

it is

like, dude, go hunt a dryo or something jesus

[urban flax]

Well most of them are used to play rex and be the most powerful creature ever

[keen reef]

This one Carno in a group that was hunting a stego said he'd kill me if I didn't leave, despite me helping them and having landed more bites than they had, I left in order to not die, came back and surprise surprise it wasn't even bleeding anymore

Carno player moment

[weak dune]

I had a full adult carno trying to 1v5 our stego herd earlier, mostly me, who was only like 40% grown, and I fucked him up waaaaaaay more than he did to me

[limber hull]

my issue with carno is that it's TOO good at fighting stegs atm

make that fucker weep at large animals

[keen reef]

Nah honestly it's kinda stinky at it

[weak dune]

On the one hand, yes. On the other hand, its HILARIOUS how fast they give up just because you stuck your head in water or stood next to a tree

[keen reef]

Maybe American players are just brandead, but no Carno group has even came close to killing me

[weak dune]

When I say "give up" I mean they stand around you for an hour all waiting for someone else to attack you

[limber hull]

my opinion is that carno needs to be toned down in the brawler department. I understand the devs want to see what it's like to have a bully-playstyle but bully and carno do not mix

[keen reef]

Carno works just fine until we get Cerato I think, the only problem I see is how fast it accelerates

Also other animals definitely need buffs

Tenonto and Utah to be exact

[limber hull]

carno is a cheetah. It kills fast and runs fast but anything can run up to it and bully the hell out of it. Look at cheetahs get their food stolen by fucking vultures

they are the anti-bully. Literally everything bullies cheetahs

[keen reef]

Imo Carno should take the same amount of damage it does on the body on its legs, they're it's mist important asset, should be a little more fragile

[limber hull]

Carno should be so shit as a bully it should just avoid close-range confrontation as a whole tbh

Even if cerato is smaller, it should still scare the fuck out of a carno in a close range one on one brawl

[keen reef]

The only way Carno should beat a Cerato in a fight is if it rams it

[limber hull]

fair

[keen reef]

A face tank battle should always favour the Cera

[limber hull]

the ram should be a death sentence for cera tho

cera having a higher bleed and damage bite would not surprise me, comparing the jaws of the two animals

Look at the teeth, mouth shape and such of each animal

Carno's is designed for chomping down on smaller prey, cera's is very much designed for larger prey

[weak dune]

I mean honestly Carno vs Cera should be like a pit bull vs a greyhound. Yeah the greyhound is technically bigger but you know in a contest of strength and bite force, the pitbull is gonna win

[keen reef]

One thing we have to think about is bite speed too

Carnos bite speed is very fast, and the animation they showed for Cera is kinda slow

Anyways I'm off, funny college time

[limber hull]

Carno evolved as a faster creature, not a more lethal creature. It doesn't need to adapt a powerful self-defence with hostility since it has defence in speed. Cera, however, is small, not very fast and often contests for food. Of course cera would be better adapted to fight shit bigger than it

[weak dune]

Aye

[limber hull]

I know people love the idea of "bigger animal = bigger biteforce" but if an allo has a lower bite force than a spino I will throw something. In the same vein, if a carno has a higher biteforce than a cera, I will cry.

The biteforce is based on adaptation to a specific lifestyle, big creatures do not automatically bite harder

For example, spino should have an utterly godawful and horrid biteforce for its size because, just look at its mouth. It is designed to catch fish, not crush down on dino prey.

[urban flax]

Spino should deal damage with its claws, not its teeth

[paper oriole]

Another funny thing is, carni players whine like “carnis shouldn’t be stuck with different playstyles, they should be able to do everything!”, i see this a lot, but these same idiots change their mindset fast when it comes to herbis

[limber hull]

Fuck that noise, I want to play sucho as a shallow-guarding, fish-swallowing bastard

Not as some dumb fuck hunter dino

I will fight to protect my sick little shallow area, not because I need food

[paper oriole]

These people want utahs hunting brachis or spinos hunting rexes and all sorts of dumb shit

[urban flax]

As a carni main, I'm ashamed to be part of the carni main community

If your prey can't defend itself, that's not hunting
That's foraging

[paper oriole]

Because “carnis should be able to hunt anything” like no lmao not unless that ‘anything’ is braindead, stick to your bracket

[limber hull]

Dude, the amount of people who want ptera to kill shit is absurd

[paper oriole]

If i had a dollar for every “let ptera pick people up and drop them”

[limber hull]

Like, accept that your animal is not built to kill things you troglodyte. You are essentially a prehistoric seagull, accept that this is your life

[paper oriole]

The worst part is the devs do listen to these people from time to time

[limber hull]

Carni's should be JUST as specialised as herbis

Carno runs fast. That should be what all of its balance changes are poured into

If it's doing something that isn't running fast, something is wrong

[paper oriole]

Roles should be balanced, the faster you are the less offensive you should generally be, excluding glass cannons in some cases

[limber hull]

Stop making carno some godawful Frankenstien of other niches

[urban flax]

I want Velo to be able to hang around big herbi herds, kill the little ones that try to steal big ones' food, and eat the leftovers of hen a carni tries to attack the her, to attack everyone on sight

I want spino to chill on shores, occasionnally hunt for fish or small animals, and bully the local deino

[paper oriole]

Different stats and perks should be balanced out or we have fucking roided up super-predators like qa carno shitstomping almost everything in sight and infesting like ants

[urban flax]

I want rex to go around and only attack big prey for a few days feast, leaving smalls alone

[paper oriole]

Ive seen people who want rex to destroy small dinos' burrows like why tf lmao

“Lets give the massive apex the ability to destroy the primary protectove measure for things that will feed it 1% of its hunger”

[urban flax]

I've seen it too
I still don't get why

[paper oriole]

Like rex shouldnt be fighting with a trike instead

People don't want to take risks when theyre supposed to, they want to take risks when they arent supposed to

People want acros hunting tenonto for its diet and carno hunting stego its so fucking backwards

[limber hull]

QA carno is fine on paper if they just utterly destroyed its ability to brawl. It should, in the situation where it is surrounded by a ton of utahs, fucking BOOK IT, not go "ahahahaha ez" and just demolish every single one. It's alt-bite and turn rate should be one of the worst in the game for a land predator, but it can just fucking book it the moment it doesn't like the look of a situation

[urban flax]

Someday you'll see, people will complain that dryos are too fast for rex to catch

[limber hull]

"Bring back ambush speed for rex because it needs it to catch maias!"

[urban flax]

Also I've seen people complain that it's too hard to bleed out a deino as a single utah

[paper oriole]

And the people who complain that their carno gets oneshot by being impaled by something they have to approach to be hurt by

[limber hull]

OH YEA THE FUCKING STEGO COMPLAINTS AHAHAHAHA

[paper oriole]

Its like jumping in to a lion enclusure at the zoo and then your family sues the zoo for something that couldnt have happened without the ‘victim's’ actions

[urban flax]

It actually happens

Not that exact case, but similar ones

[limber hull]

"please nerf stego I lost my 100% carno to one and that simply isn't fair I don't understand, there was nothing I could do to prevent this"
"you can run away from it"
"BUT IF I RUN AWAY THEN I'M MISSING OUT ON FOOD YOU DUMB IDIOT DO YOU WANT ALL CARNIVORES TO STARVE, IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT, WE ALREADY HAVE IT HARD ENOUGH ALREADY, SO TIRED OF THIS TEA PARTY FOR HERBIVORES"

[paper oriole]

Yeah and its stupid as fuck, ive seen it

[limber hull]

its like people don't understand how nature works

[paper oriole]

Big brain carno player: “this stego is guarding a dryo now im gonna starve. No i cant fucking walk 40 feet away to that teno over there i need THIS dryo how dare you deny me food herbivores are toxic and overpowered we carnos have it so hard we need to be BUFFED or stego needs to be NERFED asap this is unacceptable devs fix this now”

[urban flax]

It's actually funny to see what people complain about
I've seen devs being accused of carnivore bias, herbivore bias, loving their JP utah ripoff too much and hating utah in the same day

[paper oriole]

ill admit im guilty in a couple of those

[urban flax]

No one is objective
Like, I know I'm biased towards carnivores because I think herbivores are boring
But that's not a reason to make things imbalanced on top of that

[limber hull]

i loved watching carno mains cry for hours about utah being OP but now that carno's OP they are shockingly silent on the matter

[paper oriole]

I like to play both factions pretty equally but i come across as herbi biased because im sick of the shit from the carni sidr and the history of herbis being nerfed due to whining from idiot rex mains

[urban flax]

I would like carnivore success rate to be around 20%, but give them enormous hunger times so they can afford to eat 5x less often as they currently do

[paper oriole]

A 20-30% success rate would be nice, imagine the salt in feedback though lmao

Any other feedback would he drowned out

[urban flax]

(I know in nature it's mostly around 5 or 10% (except for cats ) but it's a videogame)

[paper oriole]

Different carnis should be more or less successful to grow though on average depending on the species/role

[limber hull]

imo the bigger the carni, the harder to grow

[cyan flame]

This. Make hunts difficult, make failure rate high, but give high hunger times so they can afford to plan and conduct a proper hunt, stalk the prey, wait for the right moment, and all that. And so they can have that proper attrition hunt over 30+ min without worrying about food. This would also help if something is bodyguarding, if you make a kill in good time, you have time to leave, check other places, and maybe even come back to that kill if you can't find anything else. (assuming people don't wait until they're almost out of food to start hunting that is)

[paper oriole]

Yeah i hope we dont get the shit in legacy again

[urban flax]

The biggest success rates should belong to raptors and small carnis, cause they'll have shorter hunger times

[paper oriole]

Less impactful animals should have more lenient growth cycles

Definitely

[urban flax]

Precisely. If a herbivore tries to guard a corps but starves in 30 mins while the carnivore starves in 3 hours, it can simply wait it out

[limber hull]

thing is with that is that you run the risk of making carni either too easy or herbi's way too strong

[paper oriole]

Less impactful animals should have higher success rates and egg clutch limits

[urban flax]

Tho there is one thing, since some creatures have less than 1 hour growth times, it's impossible for them to have a 2 hours hunger time

[limber hull]

also some animals (like carno) are designed to get meals quickly

[undone pewter]

People grossly underestimate how trying to balance a game can have weird outcomes without doing it initially conciously

[urban flax]

The only way I see would be to drastically increase hunger rates for juvies. It'd make sense, they need to eat more to grow up.

[urban flax]

Yes balancing is a nightmare
I haven't made any videogames, but I've made society games and warcraft maps, so I know how hard it is

[cyan flame]

How so?

[limber hull]

actually, with gore

maybe, since the food will rot and decay

[undone pewter]

👆

[urban flax]

Damn I didn't think of this

[limber hull]

it might work

if the food rots quickly, you can afford to have longer hunger times

hunter dinos HAVE to eat what they can, when they can

since it can go off and make it essentially inedible

[urban flax]

Though food rot can also make scavengers way more viable than they'd be in the current game
Since they can go around for hours before finding a rotten corps no one else wants

[limber hull]

yea fair

but then you just make 'em starve way quicker than the other predators :P

i wouldn't consider decreasing hunger times until gore is in tho

atm, it would make carni too easy

[urban flax]

yep

[paper oriole]

Maybe once bodies can be taken apart, different types of meat on them can give more food for some dinos too

Like organs giving the most

[limber hull]

with gore and diets, more tough diets but less hunger could work fine

[paper oriole]

So hunters immediately go for the organs, scavengers dont really need it, and hunters dont get as much out of scavenging fresher bodies now because organs are most often going to be missing. I hope they do away with the shopping list style carni diets

And instead focus on different meat types like fat content, or different parts of the body

[limber hull]

eh, in that scenario, seems a bit easy to do diets then tbh

diets would become a non-issue for many carnivores since all you need is a good kill and quick access to organs

[urban flax]

Yes, meat types are the best suggestion I've seen for carni diets
Was it yours ?

[paper oriole]

I mean in a way, but them youd have herbis with fatty meat being bad for some carnis, or some carnis needing bones from small animals because they arent crushers

So it still splits them in to roles and preferred niches

[paper oriole]

Might have been, ill grab it

#general-feedback message

[cyan flame]

Might work if it "decays", something about being the first to eat, getting the best value out of a meal. Would make for group "infighting" as well possibly?

As an aside, I think there's plenty of people that don't think carnis should have diets in the first place :p

[limber hull]

Yea but that'd blow

carnis should not be the easy dino

[paper oriole]

Organs arent the only requirement though

The suggestion lists things that would encourage some selectiveness, its not the best solution probably but i think its better than a shopping list

[urban flax]

I've once made a suggestion about diets
But people didn't like it because I implemented strains in it

[limber hull]

strains?

[urban flax]

lemme find it

[paper oriole]

Diets being one of the factors in to getting a strain doesnt sound like an issue to me, depending on how its done

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message

[paper oriole]

Like i dont think an unhealthy dino deserves to unlock a strain

[urban flax]

Uh wait people actually liked it

They changed their votes during the last months

[limber hull]

part of me wished that strains were weird biological nightmares that could be nested in and would have to survive to adulthood as their strain type. Like, holy shit, being a juvi type-H and trying not to starve to death lmao

[urban flax]

It would also make more sense, but that'd be unplayable

If turning into a strain is made in a way that makes sense, I won't mind it

[paper oriole]

The only issue with that suggestion i have is it seems to make carni diets very vague and easy, very unpunishing

[urban flax]

Like going into a lab, getting swallowed by that big concept art strain plant, that regurgitates you as a strain afterwards

[urban flax]

Yes that's what the people who disagreed told me

[paper oriole]

Like they could stalk in the spawn zone of any herbis plants and just wait for passerbies and not be punished

Which already happens so i guess not much would change

I dont like how much of a camper playstyle carnis get now

Herbi food is weird, like we have mountain ash that is a very versatile plant growing in one biome. They could have at least chosen plants that make sense or made plants spawn in two or three biomes each to make things a bit less predictable while still being plausible

[sacred moat]

I was legit arguing with someone because they said carno should be on a sucho diet

[limber hull]

?????

[paper oriole]

Wtf lmao

[limber hull]

You're telling me, someone wanted the fast running plains hunter who by all accounts shouldn't be swimming...

To eat fish

[sacred moat]

I was giving them points as to why sucho is pretty much useless and they said “it can hunt in the forest and ambush things on the riverbank”

[limber hull]

No?

Sucho is a hyper-defensive brawler, not an ambush

Its going to fight people away from its habitat

[paper oriole]

[sacred moat]

THIS

THIS PERSON

[paper oriole]

What was this guy thinking fr

Young deinos and fish sure, i could see it running in to cerato from time to time as well, maybe hadrosaurs if they need to wade for some food. but the other shit there…

[sacred moat]

Carno

Ah yes

[paper oriole]

Imagine royally fucking sucho over by wasting one of its dietary slots on carno

[sacred moat]

They were going on about how sucho could have a shit ton of stamina to make it some sort of endurance hunter as well

[urban flax]

Well the carno is going to try to fight sucho anyways so I can see it working

[sacred moat]

This is true

[paper oriole]

Why the fuck would sucho need to endurance hunt

[paper oriole]

Honestly yeah lmao

Carno mains dont know how to run away, ironic seeing as they have the most provilege to do so aside from ptera and deino

[sacred moat]

Because I was making the points that spino and deino would bully sucho out of swamps and rivers LMAO

As a result they said make sucho an endurance hunter

[paper oriole]

I- lmao

Sucho will probably be faster than spino at least

[sacred moat]

To run from larger carnivores and to hunt down other mid tier dinos

[urban flax]

There is 4 aquatic environments in the game : rivers, swamps, lakes and coast
Not every semi-aquatic has to live in the same one

[paper oriole]

I hope bary snags the coast/mangroves with plateo

[limber hull]

What the fuck

[urban flax]

As a matter of fact, we have exactly 4 big aquatic predators : bary, sucho, deino and spino (I'm excluding Austro cuz it's smol)

[limber hull]

Sucho eating deino is a hard maybe, but carno and stego? No thanks lmao

These plain animals are nowhere near his environment

[sacred moat]

They were going on saying it should be able to hunt almost every mid tier

[paper oriole]

Sucho can definitelt trim the adolescent deino population but adults are a high risk gamble

[sacred moat]

It was BAD

[limber hull]

WTF. It's SLOW, it can KILL midtiers but it shouldn't hunt 'em

[sacred moat]

On the premise of it being an ambush hunter in the FOREST

[limber hull]

WHAT THE FUCK

[paper oriole]

It should be similar to its role in legacy imo, it will fuck up mid tiers but it wont be able to hunt them if they know the sucho is there

[limber hull]

My man, Sucho is a WADER

[urban flax]

That's got the same energy as semiaquatic anky

[limber hull]

IT SITS IN SHALLOW STREAMS LMAO

[daring remnant]

you guys are talking about sucho?

[limber hull]

This guy is a fucking LUNATIC

[paper oriole]

Elsewise itll eat fish, young deinos and grab the occasional juvie or hadrosaur it catches off guard

Why they wanna take sucho and make it dollar store legacy giga

[sacred moat]

The only reason why there was a sucho population was because people willingly interacted with them and died or community servers gave the “one toe in water = safety”

Sucho In legacy was painfully bad

[daring remnant]

I think sucho in legacy is fine at the moment

not op but not bad

[paper oriole]

It was mainly bad because of a few other dinos, but yeah i meant similar like it should be a defensive fighter not an offensive superpredator

[urban flax]

Every carni should be an offensive superpredator according to some
Including ptera

[limber hull]

I personally love the bear-style approach to sucho, don't make it a fucking hunter

[paper oriole]

A few dinos had high odds against sucho but for the most part it was fine, and evrima also has fishing and other semiaquatics thay legacy lacked

[sacred moat]

Oh yes, the Petra that is supposed to pick up a 1 ton juvi stego

With its feet

[urban flax]

Yes cuz they do it in JW

With their feet

[paper oriole]

Lmao i always chuckle when j see people suggest ptera use its feet like

[daring remnant]

juvie trike too

[paper oriole]

Ptera pickin you up with his feet looking like this

[limber hull]

Sucho has the perfect opportunity to BE the ultimate defensive grizzly-like dino, sitting in shallow rivers

But nah just make it another hunter

[daring remnant]

what do you mean with grizzly-like dino?

[paper oriole]

People want every carni to be some powerhouse superpredator that hunts everything

[sacred moat]

Make it a sub Rex with longer arms

[urban flax]

I would have liked accurate spino for the precise reason that it can't hunt

[sacred moat]

Who needs another fish eating wimp

[limber hull]

it sits in shallow rivers and eats fish and fucking MAULS anything that comes near it

[daring remnant]

yeah that seems like a sucho play stile

[urban flax]

And when I say "accurate" I say "2020's consensus of accurate, which might already be outdated

[paper oriole]

I would have liked tapwing spino for the precise reason that ours looks like a boring generic terrestrial spinorex

Long legs on spino is UGLY why is it so popular

[sacred moat]

Spino-Rex makes me question Gigas existing

[urban flax]

That's true
I'm fine with long legs spino, but I wish it would look a little more adapted to aquatic life
At least if it gets good aquatic gameplay I guess it's mostly fine

[paper oriole]

God if only

[daring remnant]

I feel like that if the devs give the spino a realistic design people will not like it

[limber hull]

anything is better than legacy spino

[daring remnant]

except those who like

[limber hull]

fucking kite dino

[urban flax]

People would have preferred JP spino soo...

[keen reef]

What we arguing about today

[paper oriole]

Imo at least legacy spino was fun to laugh at, evrima spino is just boring

[daring remnant]

how the spino looks

[keen reef]

I like the concept art more than the final product

The one that was bordering between both fantasy/jp3 and the actual animal

[daring remnant]

you talking about the long tail one?

[urban flax]

Hey, maybe once devs are looking at apexes and looking at how to implement them, they'll take a look at spino and they might change their mind to make it look more like Tap's spino
We can always hope

[keen reef]

Idk, I think it was taps concept art

[urban flax]

Evrima spino model already got altered a little bit to look more like Tap's concept art

[paper oriole]

I aint keeping my hopes up they love jp so much with their long leg spino, screaming rex and broken arms goblinraptor

[urban flax]

Way too many "looks" in that message :/

[urban flax]

At least some dinos got original and interesting designs

[daring remnant]

I think most people already know that they love jp A LOT just looks at the gallimimus, utah, troodon and compy

[paper oriole]

Yeah tenonto is a cool unique design

[sacred moat]

Rumbling Rex would be so much more terrifying

[paper oriole]

Compy just feels like compy to me honestly, they probablt picked it due to jp but its model is just… compy

Hard to say its a copy compy. troodon, utah, galli, rex and spino though definitely have that jp influence

[urban flax]

Luckily we'll get mods in the future to alleviate some questionable design choices
Although some of the devs are strongly opposed to modding (and I understand why)

[sacred moat]

Instead of just hearing that damn screeching bastard we always get

[daring remnant]

I just hope that the grimm something will be a mod map

[paper oriole]

The devs cant make ugly abominations like the new anky and spino and then be opposed to modding lmao

They are begging for modding doing shit like that

[urban flax]

I can't agree with you there. There is a difference in what different people feel look good and the concept of modding itself.

If they made it, it's because they liked it.

[paper oriole]

Modding that makes the animals look good for people to improve their experience is no harm

The anky looks like shit it isnt an anky

[sacred moat]

I get that they don’t like modding because it goes against the experience they want to push for the isle, but like since when have community servers ever tried to cater to the official isle experience

[paper oriole]

They call it ankylosaurus, they call it spinosaurus, i want to play an ankylosaurus or spinosaurus

[urban flax]

The harm lies in the fact that you take someone else's work and modify it to make it "better" according to your own terms"
It's really hard to accept as an artist (and yes, videogame makers are artists)

[paper oriole]

They should be open to criticism in a public project people pay for

You arent walking in to their house and looking at some sketch on their desk and telling them its shit

[urban flax]

Criticism and modding are still two different things. There wouldn't be feedback channels on this server if they weren't open to criticism.

[paper oriole]

Well they didnt take feedback so whatever there

[urban flax]

Criticizing is fine. Taking the brush out of a painter's hand to finish his work in his place can be seen as offensive.

[paper oriole]

They took feedback on a couple of the models, anky was not one of them

So i want an anky and not that … thing

[urban flax]

They do take feedback. Anky is not in-game yet, so you can't tell. We only saw WIPs of it. Same goes for spino

[paper oriole]

They released the concept, got swathes of feedback, then released the model that still has a caved in back like it got its spine crushed by a boulder

[urban flax]

The model was probably already being worked on when they showed us the concept, since they showed it so early after the concept. Also you don't change everything just because a few people suddendly cried about it. Taking feedback is listening, considering, tinkering and finding the best option. It takes time.

[paper oriole]

They took feedback on Herrera after receiving less feedback on its face iirc

Anyway, there is nothing wrong with modding. Tons of games have it, if people want to harmlessly improve their experience they should be allowed to

[urban flax]

Also they need to take every feedback with a grain of salt. Take the example of alberto. When it was shown, everything was just "damn the model is so bad" but then, when they made a poll about wether people like it or not, a majority of people answered they liked it

[paper oriole]

The devs dont lose anything because some people install some mod that changes a couple models

[urban flax]

That's an ethical and morale question. I'd like modding for the game, of course, but it is not as harmless as you might think. I've already gave you examples as to why.

[paper oriole]

Ethics and morals are all up to perspective, and personally i see absolutely no problem. The devs are still getting their money from the person who bought the game

[urban flax]

You either agree with it, or you don't. Both opinions are fine and respectable.

[urban flax]

Money is not the problem here. It's intellectual possession.

[limber hull]

i personally dislike the idea of Isle being some kind of moddable sandbox tbh

I want the devs to focus on their own vision and see it through

[paper oriole]

Indont think cdpr devs were offended when some people modded geralt in to an anime girl

[paper oriole]

Some mods are mighty cringe i gotta agree somewhat there

The dire wolf mod……

[limber hull]

let me add a mod that adds all the DoD dragons into the game lmao

[paper oriole]

God that was a bad one

[urban flax]

Some of them probably were. But since the company itself allowed mods, I think they internally agreed on letting modders alter their work.

[cyan flame]

You mean we can get a functioning dragon game then? :p

[paper oriole]

In moderation like adding some paleoaccurate dinos i think its fine, it stays on topic

Some mods just go too far

Adding godzilla and wolves and shit

[sacred moat]

The dire wolf mod that had wolves beating ceras

[paper oriole]

Wolves oneshotting spinos

[urban flax]

Any amount of modification is basically saying to the maker "I don't like what you did, let me do it better"
Even if it's not what the modder himself thinks and even if he does respect the developer's work, that's not always how it is perceived

[ember egret]

has deino been added to the stress test yet...?

[paper oriole]

The devs know some people dont like their interpretations and they dont seem to be bothered by it

They are already quite aware

[urban flax]

how many times do I have to repeat that not liking something and modifying it isn't the same thing ?

[ember egret]

also, why is only eu and na4 up

[paper oriole]

I know but i just disagree with you on modding being inherently disrespectful

[urban flax]

I'm not saying it's inherently disrespectful. It's that the creator might take it as disrespect, and you can't blame them for it.

[paper oriole]

The creators already know that there are people who disagree with some of their creative decisions though

Its hit or miss, can't please everybody

Making model mods is just the result of that

If they changed the boring generic spinorex model there would be people upset about that too and theyd probably want to mod one in

[urban flax]

And they have no moral reason to allow it. It's their work, if they don't wish to allow everyone to fiddle with it, it's fine.

[paper oriole]

Some people just like paleoaccurate versions of dinosaurs and i dont think that can plausibly be taken as disrespect

[urban flax]

Look, I'm a cartoonist myself. If someone tells me my drawings are bad, as long as they give reasons why, it's fine. But if someone tells me "give me your pen so I can improve what you did" I'm gonna firmly disagree. The same thing goes for models or the videogame itself.

[paper oriole]

But if you are a commission artist and they paid for the work, they are in the right to request changes

People paid for the isle

[urban flax]

Request changes, yes. Do it themselves ? Hell no

I mean, why did you commission me in the first place if you can do better ?

[paper oriole]

Well the isle devs dont seem to want to make changes, and i get it, it costs money to do so and in the end it still wont please anybody

[urban flax]

Not wanting to make any changes despite feedback, that you can blame them for. Although I think, on a personal note, that anky (for example) doesn't need to be changed so bad.

[paper oriole]

If they changed the anky, the people who liked its weird mammal design will be upset, modders only add another option so everyone can be happy

[urban flax]

But if they decide to leave carno as an uncontestable powerhouse forver, I'm gonna blame them.

[urban flax]

Yes, everyone among the community will be happy.

[paper oriole]

Carnos issue actually ruins quality of gameplay at an indisputable level.

[urban flax]

(except those people who don't know how to mod even games with official mod support)

[paper oriole]

Id be pissed if i was a dev who made a dinosaur model for a dinosaur game and somebody replaced it with a wolf or something, but if i made a purposely high fiction model for a game with a community i know has stuck up nerds in it who would prefer a paleo accurate model i wouldnt give a shit if they modded it in

But that’s just my pov

[urban flax]

If I was a dev, I'd be upset with anyone changing my models, unless it's extremely tiny ^^.
That's where it all comes down. Opinions.

[limber hull]

as in, the gameplay?

[paper oriole]

Yeah hes on steroids right now

His model is

[limber hull]

his model is amazing

[paper oriole]

Carno, cerato and allo are the holy trinity of carnivore models rn

[daring remnant]

about the allo using his head like an axe I really think an headbash move would be able to cover the fact that the allo had a bite weaker than the one of a lion so I agree with you about the allo

[urban flax]

aaaargh allo axe biting again

It didn't do that, it's stupid, it looks stupid and it wouldn't even make for a worthy game mechanic

[manic sun]

how are u so sure about that

[urban flax]

Cause it was debunked a few years ago ? Just ask the paleonerds

[manic sun]

hmm ok

[tepid gate]

Allo didn't have a biteforce weaker than a lion. Even a relatively small Allosaurus has been estimated as biting either as strong or stronger than an American Alligator.

And yea the "hatchet bite" was a hypothesis without much evidence for it. It was speculation that's been considered disproved for a while now. There are numerous issues that would arise for any animal that would try to utilise its head in such a way.

Also - I really don't think that Allosaurus would be a good addition at this point.

[daring remnant]

oh oops I didn't mean weaker than a lion my bad I wanted to say that it had a very similiar bite force to the one of a lion

[tepid gate]

What did?

[daring remnant]

other grammatical mistake

[tepid gate]

Oh no, Allo definitely bit harder than a lion, it's one of the common, wide-spread myths about dinosaurs

[daring remnant]

oh

like the troodon being an actual dinosaur?

[tepid gate]

Troodon was a dinosaur, it's just that its remains have been assigned to other genera now.

[daring remnant]

what do ya mean with "other genera"?

[tepid gate]

This is a topc for paleotalk though, this isn't really the right place to discuss this but to put it shortly - Troodon has been divided into two other dinosaurs "Stenonychosaurus" and "Latenivenatrix".

[daring remnant]

so the troodon is now 2 dinosaurs?

[tepid gate]

You will be better off asking such questions in the paleotalk, more knowledgeable people than me can give you the answers there(but yes, what's been known as "Troodon" has now become "Latenivenatrix" and "Stenonychosaurus")

The Isle's Troodon is very likely based on the remains of Stenonychosaurus.

[honest sparrow]

Man that was a string of pretty bad suggestions

[sacred moat]

what did i just read in feedback

@cyan brook your blood is not blue

its very much red

inside and outside of your body

your veins on the other hand are a blueish green color

but the blood inside of them is red

side note>> Oxygen is already inside of your blood. Your red blood cells are what carry oxygen around your body

[rare fractal]

@cyan brook Octopi and horseshoe crabs are the only animals that have blue blood to my knowledge and the reason why is due to the difference in the oxygen carrying protein in said blood. In most animals on earth that protein is hemoglobin, which makes the blood red. In horseshoe crabs and octopi it’s hemocyanin, making their blood blue. The reason why the myth of blue blood persists is because it’s the color that superficial veins appear to be, but they are in fact dark red under the skin. When viewed with layers of skin covering the vein the visible color wavelengths that penetrate through the skin are most often blue and green, as the color wavelength for red is short and weak making it difficult to see through layers of skin. So veins are in face dark red and blood is also red, the blue blood myth needs to die.

[sacred moat]

^^^^^

[rare fractal]

Just to substantiate this: Sauropods were a primary prey item for allosaurus and the hatchet bite would be entirely useless to them against prey of that size. Attempting to bite down on a creature of that size wouldn’t be possible as it would require your mouth to need to be opened more than 180 degrees to sink your teeth into the body or legs of a sauropod, even then you run the risk of literally all your teeth breaking either in impact or after the sauropod even moves a little bit from pain. Allos teeth were relatively thin and blade like, they would have a hard time surviving a hatchet bite in a sauropod without losing several teeth, not to mention the impossibility of the maneuver in their preferred prey.

[cyan brook]

@rare fractal that actually makes sense i haven't really studied up on that much since middle school so yea thanks for that info. the more you know right:p

agreed on the allo thing as well. realistically even if they could teeth breaking would be far less likely compared to breaking their jaw in my opinion much larger dinos like the giga or trex have a better chance but even then jaw breaking for them would be a possibility as well should they go for legs. allos would have to get access to a sauropods stomach area and tear flesh and bleed them out in order to kill one.

im speaking logically by the way based on what knowledge i know. tactics wise thats exactly what i would do because unless the saurapod was dumb and lowered its head enough to get at their throat thats the only option to take in order to hunt one

[paper oriole]

lol another axe allo

[zealous violet]

okay WHY Is using the emojis in the general and mechanic test feedback channels acting like im doing an entire post and starting the 6hr times??????

[rare fractal]

Yeah blood can be weird. Oh but if you’re really interested study some of the properties of horseshoe crab blood and it’s pharmaceutical uses, shits wild!

[hoary dawn]

if you post something the timer kicks in

[glass swan]

meant player list my b*

[zealous violet]

I did not post anything though. All I did was add an emoji. This has never happened before.

[hoary dawn]

you reacted to a post?

[idle ibex]

forgot to put second image in suggestion, here’s what the trees would look like

[daring remnant]

so the ability to mimic calls should be given to troodon so the game can be more spooky?

I disagree, although it would make the game a little scarier giving it to the oviraptor would make it a much more viable creature since it wouldn't have to wait about an hour to wait for the parent to leave for food, water etc.

[solar salmon]

I think both of them should have it

Ovi should have more mimic options but I still think Troodon should have it

[daring remnant]

oh I thought you said only troodon can have it

sorry for not understanding

[sacred mist]

Trying to log onto the Isle (mechanics build) atm, is anyone else only seeing EU2 appear on their server list?

Also, when I try to connect EU2 I get a black screen and nothing happens.

[cyan dagger]

Servers are dead it's the devs day off don't expect to play until tomorrow at the earliest

[sacred mist]

Okay thank you

[solar salmon]

np 😄

[meager tiger]

@thorny lynx The chicken bobs its head because thats how it compensates vision for moving objects. We do not do this because we have eye twitches to follow moving objects. Birds cannot move there eyes as easily. Now the question is "Are dinosaur eyes like bird eyes or mammal eyes. Can they move there eyeballs or no?"

[manic flint]

How do crocodilian eyes work?

[glass swan]

wdym

[manic flint]

Well like
If bird eyes work one way
And crocodillians eyes work differently
We have different options for how to portray them in game

[glass swan]

dinosaurs(meaning everything but crocodilians) have eyes similar to modern birds because of the way their heads were shaped, while crocodilians eyes were specialized for an aquatic life style, putting their eyes on the tops of their heads and giving them a protective lens for underwater

crocodilians split off into a very distinct line of genetic traits and those very traits are still in modern crocodilians. meaning we can hypothesize how the eyes of land based dinosaurs looked and acted. also we can backtrack the genes of flightless birds and literally find evidence to support this.

[meager tiger]

@glass swan So does that mean T-rex had to bob its head forward like a chicken because its eyes cannot move only its head?

[glass swan]

maybe, maybe not, but their eyes were much more similar then crocodilian eyes were to a chicken. but also, trex was an apex predator so its eyes were more toward the front of its head for better sight. also had a narrow head to see infront

[meager tiger]

I don't really understand then what the guy is asking about bobbing head dinos if T-rex probably didnt. Which means that since we don't know t-rex then we don't know any dinosaur either eye/head bobbing wise.

[glass swan]

i think its just better to assume it didnt

[meager tiger]

Yeah. and the devs probably don't want to recode a bunch of dinos for head bobbing animations lol

Its easier to just have them mammal type movement

[glass swan]

agree, keep it jurassic park like

[meager tiger]

@left geyser Cerato should be able to scavaenge through garbage piles, dumpsters, trash bins...etc from mercs bases. They should also be able to easily eat through human packaged food in boxes,bags,..etc. Sometimes eating it whole (Ok maybe not glass lol but who knows these fuckers eat bones) I think they should also be able to tear open human containers in bases or cars or whatever if they have food stashed. bassicaly a big ass mutant racoon monster dino

[left geyser]

Ye

[left geyser]

I've updated again recently unless you read it within the last hour

[meager tiger]

i have it open 😛

[left geyser]

I said it is uploaded to basically eat everythin

Cool

[meager tiger]

These animals are solo livers I assume? Or do they group up sometimes like racoons

[glass swan]

@magic hinge i think this will definitly be a thing in the future since they can already make males get their colors over time

[meager tiger]

They probably wouldnt follow each other but they wouldnt try to kill eachother ON sight

maybe theyed fight over the trash or carcass though

[glass swan]

i think theyll most likely be groups of 2, male and female, but juvies will be in massive groups

[meager tiger]

do you think theyed be hostile with one another or would the occnisoley feast together and probably fight over scraps or large pieces

[glass swan]

ive heard that theyll be cannibalistic

which makes sense, theyre gonna be brutes that will eat literally anything

[left geyser]

I think their diet should be equal to that of a honey badger

Meat, fruit, honey, insects, fish, bones, each other

[glass swan]

idk about fruits or fish in terms of gameplay reasons but everything else sure

[meager tiger]

no trash?

[left geyser]

They will probably be a mix of honey badger, wolverine, Tasmanian devil, hyena, and crocodile

Real life cerafo ate fish

It would wait in shallow water

[glass swan]

i think ceras just gonna be able to eat the spoiled meat, and all the organs

[meager tiger]

i feel like trash eating is a good oppturnity if these things have iron guts

and human food

encourage interaction for some playstyles to encounter humans and tribals

[left geyser]

I think cera should be able to eat everything besides plants (except fruit)

[meager tiger]

deal

[glass swan]

that too, but thats probably a ways away from being added

[left geyser]

I mean fruit is easy to digest

Crocodiles will readily eat it

[meager tiger]

well if these things are eating pachaged cheeze its

and frozen half eaten pizzas

[glass swan]

also, crocodilians are far away from other dinosaurs on the genetics tree so i wouldnt compare those 2

and fruit is not really easy to digest, most fruits are extremely toxic for carnivores

[left geyser]

No

Most fruits in the isle are safe

Oranges, mangoes

They aren't toxic to carnivores

Most human domesticated fruits are perfectly safe for birds, reptile, and crocodilians

All the fruits in the isle are donesticated

[glass swan]

i guess ur right about the fruits being domesticated but for something the size of a cera, no fruit what give it any nutritional value, if it eats meat and bones, fruit will be like eating a grain of rice

[meager tiger]

just give fruit no nutrient value

EZ

[glass swan]

then why eat it XD

lil treat?

[meager tiger]

prevent starvation

i'd iamgine with such a diverse diet

Cera can live everywhere

there like rats and racoons. just everywhere on the damn island cuasing mischief

human bases, beaches, caves, swamps...nowhere to hide lol

[left geyser]

Actually eating fruit can provide a lot of calories around 50-100 per fruit

And there can be hundreds

[glass swan]

for something that weighs 1,200 pounds, ate 6,800 pound stegos irl, and has blade like teeth, fruit was definitely not on its diet

[limber hull]

wtf

cera def did not weigh 500kg

[meager tiger]

got your math wrong

600 kg

[limber hull]

its closer to 500kg lmao. 544kg to be precise

[meager tiger]

...

you win by 6kg

[limber hull]

indeed i do

and i fully intend to enjoy my 6kg victory

[meager tiger]

wai

wait your that guy

I got mad at

Sorry I was having a rough day

I apoglize for being disrespectful

[hoary dawn]

the troodon walk would be a terrible crouch, crouches are supposed to be used for stealth and keeping a low profile

especially in troodon's case

[limber hull]

nah all good

[glass swan]

yea i dont know where i got that number from lol, its way higher

[limber hull]

are you thinking 1200kg?

that's far more accurate to cera's irl weight

[glass swan]

probably XD

i got stegos right tho....i think

[meager tiger]

Cera lived the same time as allo and stego?

[glass swan]

yes

[meager tiger]

oh. Thats intresting

how did cera compete with allo?

Cera ate carcasses like a hynea?

and allos are the "lions"

[glass swan]

i dont think they lived in the same places necessarily

[meager tiger]

oh

[honest sparrow]

They did different things

[tepid gate]

We have a couple specimens of Ceratosaurus. Most of them are in the 500-600kg range, however there's one that weighs ~1000kg. This one specimen was initially labeled a different species however later it was concluded that it was likely just an adult individual whilst the smaller ones were not mature.

[meager tiger]

Not really that descriptive lol

every animal does different things

[honest sparrow]

They weren’t really competitors rather than just things that inhabited the same environment

[meager tiger]

I know that

I just want to know what niches they had that allowed them to co exist

[tepid gate]

As for how it co-existed with Allosaurus. It mainly occupied different parts of the Morrison formation. Allosaurus is generally thought to be quite universally present Ceratosaurus is typically placed more so in the xeric scrub with Allo preferring marginal forest areas.

[meager tiger]

or advtanges or disadvtanges

so they lived in different biomes

[tepid gate]

They were to a certain extent competitors to our knowledge. Iirc there were certain areas where Cerato was thought to have been pushed out of by Allosaurus.

[meager tiger]

So cera when extinct by allo competetion?

[tepid gate]

But for the most part yea, they did niche partitioning which is what they should be doing in the game I believe.

Nah, I wouldn't go that far

it's just certain areas that it occupied are theorised to have been later taken on by certain groups of Allosaurus.

I don't believe anyone actually thinks that Allo made Cerato outright extinct.

Although Allo did outlive Cerato very slightly as a species iirc

As for what niches they occupied in real life - Allosaurus is thought to have been a generalist predator, it's hypothesised to have hunted animals such as sauropods, stegosaurs as well as smaller prey items, meanwhile Ceratosaurus very likely was a small game hunter, it is thought to have hunted smaller animals by the riverbanks and bodies of water.

I think this to a certain extent would make for decent niches for both in the game too.

[zealous violet]

@signal mantle
THANK YOU!
Def make this known in the mechanic-test-feedback again when you get the chance!
I assume the devs just decide to throw things out entirely when they dont work right the first time, instead of ya know... actually building upon it.

[signal mantle]

Yeah, I will. I'm getting really worried for the future of the game now. I like the concept of the new mechanics (Other than this of course) but the way they're going about it is taking away most of what I enjoyed about this game. The compass navigation might as well have a mini map because it completely breaks immersion.

So with that and starting off starving as a fresh spawn, I almost wish they would keep Update 3 as a stand alone similar to Legacy, so the playerbase doesn't drop off completely.

[zealous violet]

Not just immersion breaking, but it just looks cheap and you spend more time looking back and forth trying to gage if an icon is getting darker or lighter like some weird marco polo game that you have no time to do much of anything else.

[limber hull]

i liked the old scent way more

[barren zephyr]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/677716959885787146/894124749901422632/unknown.png
@thorny lynx the chicken plunger experiment is a bit outdated, as it does not account for the tail muscles. A more recent study using physics simulations compares a tinamou's running with that of a computer simulation of it (which is relatively accurate), and then Coelophysis' walking.

Here is a simulation of it, compared with a human
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-85PsIKmpJA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okuUr9Q62t4

[barren zephyr]

you might as well apply this to the suggestion

[undone pewter]

In regard to this post
#general-feedback message

[limber hull]

@unreal ridge has he tried holding 2 instead of pressing it

[unreal ridge]

he has

nvm

he told me he is an idiot

[hybrid matrix]

thats not a coelophysis....

[glass swan]

@paper oriole i was literally just gonna suggest that, thank you 🙏

[paper oriole]

ayy

[urban flax]

I've seen herbivore walking sniff a lot of time, but I must admit carnivores getting a different sniff ability while crouching is a good idea

[paper oriole]

ive suggested herbi walksniff multiple times i am salty that it isnt being considered because it aint op at all its just quality of life

[urban flax]

Though it raises a problem, the consistency of sniffing. New players might get really confused about why sometimes sniffing reveals carcasses, sometimes not, etc...

[paper oriole]

and sniffing as a carni and seeing 6324092468923746 foot prints from your pack is also annoying as fuck lmao

[glass swan]

yes

[urban flax]

I think sniffing deserves a complete rework as a mechanic, that maybe could alleviate the issues of current scent mechanics, and those two things could be a good start

[paper oriole]

yeah stuff like the compass and different sniff 'stances' and also the visuals could use a rehaul

the qa sniff visuals look pretty janky

like chicken legs, really?

[urban flax]

I'm talking about a real rework. Like sniff being targeted or idk what

Wait

When you sniff some sort of circle appears on your screen. Scents that are in the circle appaear and stay there for a long time (like 30 secs-1 minute, maybe even more) but ONLY what's inside the circle

So : Less clutter from your packmates, no picking up random tracks from 50 meters away... this could come with other buffs to sniffing mechanics

[paper oriole]

that could make herbis a bit more tedious if they cant smell in multiple directions due to directional targeting but idk it could be good for carnis

[urban flax]

Yes, I'm thinking of it more from a carni perspective

It does have some nasty downsides now that I think more about it

[paper oriole]

if herbis still had to stationary sniff and could only ge tone direction we'd be spending half our playtime sniffing while our diets dropped lol. it would be good for an active carni track, however if you are trying to find tracks from a quarry you've lost sight of it could be a problem

if the scents in the direction you were facing simply lasted longer than the rest it could work

with other scents lasting a bit shorter than currently, and the directional scent lasting a bit longer than currently

[urban flax]

Well yes directional scenting would imply herbs could sniff while walking too

Also scenting should be affected by wind

[honest sparrow]

Wtf based suggestion

[vivid needle]

Hello everyone, does any body know how to fix Character Menu not working ? (even after changing key-binds, deleting the Local folder and reinstalling the game ...) I'm currently on the QA version. Thanks

[icy lion]

it was moved to tab as default, try that?

[vivid needle]

@icy lion I'll try that thank you for your help

[tepid gate]

As for sniffing - I think that we could perhaps have a button that allows us to turn off the footprints, or perhaps both footprints and bloodtrails. These things can be extremely annoying when you're looking for something(e.g. food) and you walk into an area where a large fight took place where the trails go back and forth all over the place. I would also suggest to remove the opacity of the megapack scent because it can be extremely blinding and borderline counterproductive.

[vivid needle]

It works thx ❤️

[cedar tide]

How is losing your dino from logging out still a thing?

[hoary dawn]

cuz update 4 aint out yet

[tepid gate]

Because there hasn't been a hotfix for it and the devs decided to just work on update 4. This bug has not been present on the QA branch since the moment the new build came out in early September.

[meager tiger]

Well since you guys don't like that guys stone eating idea

Whats abetter idea for eating rocks like some modern reptiles and birds do for aiding digestion for a gameplay mechanic

[glass swan]

the rock idea in general just doesnt seem like a good idea, i like realism but in terms of gameplay it just doesnt fit the dynamic

[meager tiger]

potetnioal perk then?

[glass swan]

maybeeeeee but i think its just too realistic

[meager tiger]

better than piss and shit lol

[glass swan]

well honestly, let them fix all the bugs before worrying about rocks lol

[long monolith]

@indigo crest anky shouldn’t have a tail like a stego, because it is an anky alsjjfhf

[indigo crest]

Well like the tail whip duh

[long monolith]

Yes, that doesn’t make sense

[meager tiger]

Anky should be able to defend itself from a rex. It's back was evovled to withstand bite attacks because of the weird angles. However if rex can flip over anky anky is ded

[paper oriole]

Imagine how trash the game would be for anything that needs to hide to survive if this shit got added lmao

[urban flax]

Heavy carnivore bias

[paper oriole]

How to wipe out any and all remaining herbis with the carno megapacks

Make carnos even more braindead to play than they are in qa

[urban flax]

Oh it's in phase two requests

[barren zephyr]

Wouldn't mind if we could sniff out critter ai and the like as juvie carni's
But then losing that ability once we're of decent size

[urban flax]

People still haven't understood how that channel works

[urban flax]

That seems weird and unnecessary
And that doesn't really make sense either

[barren zephyr]

I mean that juvies need better interactivity other than hoping to find an unguarded corpse, or lucking on locating an ai

Giving them things to interact or "hunt" given that we spawn without parents is a needed feature
It doesn't necessarily have to be that idea either

[lavish quail]

The isle if it wasn’t carnivore sided

https://tenor.com/view/giga-chad-gigachad-big-gif-21053844

[paper oriole]

Sounds like it would make things a bit too easy esp if we're getting crab, turtle, frog and pigeon ai. 3 of which will probably be pretty easy to find the biomes of

[barren zephyr]

I thought so

Juvies being pretty fun would help growth so bad though, so I'm just thinking of ideas that could stick

That includes herbi juvies as well

[paper oriole]

Herbi juvies wouldnt benefit from this much, it would just make carni juvies similar to legacy with ezfind ai

[barren zephyr]

POV: It's update 3.5, and a skilled Teno player stands it's ground waiting to fucking crush your lanky Carno

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, but activities or unique avenues for food or interactivity will help with the dead space given that as a juvie you want to avoid most things as much as possible
Things to do in that downtime would help, especially if there's depth in that downtime

[paper oriole]

Thats not really an activity though its just bush sniffing for carnis vs actual hunting

[barren zephyr]

However criticized it was, the platforming in Doom Eternal was a change of pace in the levels. So you wouldn't get brain rot from constant action

[barren zephyr]

It doesn't necessarily have to be that though either.

[paper oriole]

The devs apparently have more unique things planned for juvies too they just havent been specific yet

[barren zephyr]

It should come early, since it's pretty integral given everything will be a juvie at some point

[lean relic]

THIS

[jovial hazel]

If you never log off, you won't lose dino when logging.

[lavish quail]

@honest sparrow Im glad you too have braincells

[lavish quail]

Smart

let me just become a sweaty legacy-converted to evrima streamer

then I can accomplish this

[jovial hazel]

I guess you still risk losing it at restarts and crashes. Maybe never logging in is the true solution.

[timid cliff]

Why are the devs so silent no announcements for ages now been watching waiting. All this feedback for nothing.

[quaint lotus]

Its embarassing how in 2021, we have this awesome outlet for one of the fastest ways to get feedback from a developer, and we are barely seeing it. Instead, punch will randomly post comments about progress to #isle-discussion, instead of on a centralized thread where anyone can see it without having to be active in #isle-discussion. Instead we just get 'We are working on performance'

[lavish quail]

they do read feedback just not all of it, and the update is done so most their focus is on bug fixes before release

[zealous violet]

Maybe they are just burnt out? Its hard to keep up a passion project-even when your getting paid from it. Just ask any artist.

[quaint lotus]

If you're getting paid from it, Then start treating it like work where you are expected to hand in reports.

[quaint lotus]

If you're getting paid from it, Then start treating it like work where you are expected to hand in reports.

I work for a living with deadlines too. I would be fired or let-go if I ever told my supervisors 'I'm working on next months projects, but I still haven't done this months projects'

These devs can get away with it because, unfortunately, in this situation, they are the supervisor.

[zealous violet]

I know, I know. Its a tough one for sure.
I get it and I also get super frustrated- like, a little communication from any of them would be so easy but we almost never hear from anyone but punch and kissen. Once upon a time Foszner infiltrator a legacy server as a hypo- but that was ages ago.
I know they don't have to talk to us every day- but theres what? At least 5 people on this team and not a one of them has made a peep in over a week? Its bothersome.
I would be more understanding if someone said "hey, we are taking a mini break here, we arnt dead!" But no one ever does.
What more, they have weekends off so its not like are slave driving themselves to death over this.

[quaint lotus]

I would never expect devs to work themselves to death. Im not upset with the lack of Update 4. I'm upset with the lack of communication but I just get tired of everyone justifying the devs by saying they were working very hard on this. We are using Discord, which is probably the fastest NEW way to communicate with a large audience at the drop of a hat.

It definitely is tough because they ask us to be very thorough on our #885026244444442655 , but we don't get the same return on the feedback.

[candid schooner]

whelp i just lost a carno due to getting half a frame every 5 seconds so that's fun

[zealous violet]

Thank you! This is exactly what I was trying to convey but just wasnt able to really get it out right.
A lack of communication and an imbalance of feedback.

[glass swan]

exactly this 🙏

[glass swan]

not me getting an email after that post saying "give me editor or ill shoot ur family"...💀

[zealous violet]

wtf

[hybrid matrix]

They tell us what dondi approves. Punch told me that he can't say anything with out dondi knowing

[hybrid matrix]

Shouldn't it be anonymous?

[urban flax]

Isle community : Bruh devs don't listen to feedback
Meanwhile in the feedback channel :

[paper oriole]

do those people think theyre making any changes doing that lol

[urban flax]

I'm gonna make a tutorial on "How to make constructive criticism for dummies"

[paper oriole]

"hey guys you heard tim, we gotta hire more devs!" and thus, updates released every month and all bugs were fixed forever

thanks for saving us, tim

[weak dune]

Truly the champion we need

[paper oriole]

on the other hand a bamboo forest would be hot, or at least clumping bamboo clusters

[urban flax]

idk if it fits, but yes
A lot of things would be neat tho
Compared to the bland jungle-plain-jungle-plain-jungle- oh a swamp-plain we currently have
But I guess the map is steadily increasing in quality

[paper oriole]

clumping bamboo can accent different biomes since running bamboo usually overtakes an entire biome, but either would be so good to see

even as its own map

i dont think it would look out of place

[gusty remnant]

Does anyone have the deinocherus concept art

[paper oriole]

Didnt the devs actually say they don’t want to add herbi strains

So herbis are getting nothing (not surprising) and only some carnis have strains planned, since the devs only want to do that

Also you mean this right

[lavish quail]

Strains are weird tho

I like elders more

I don’t like the idea of spino with the stand heavy weather

[urban flax]

Being weird is the point of strains
It also gives some uniqueness to The Isle

[paper oriole]

A uniqueness that only the already more popular faction can take advantage of sadly

Hope they have something planned for omnis and herbis aside from taking the back seat

[limber hull]

yea

the lack of herbi strain saddens me

if yall dont want herbi strains, at least give alternatives to the bastards

why cant carni bias just die

[paper oriole]

Even plants, fucking plants are getting strain variants

Its like a spit in the face to us salad fans

[limber hull]

herbis should be allowed to eat plants with strains and get strains (or die instantly if their feeble little bodies cannot withstand the sheer genetic altering power of the strain plant)

[paper oriole]

I had a little idea for a plant related herbi strain a while back i never really went in to

[limber hull]

so dont eat strain plants without having a body powerful enough to withstand the side-effects

because lets be honest, if we want a canon reason why mr. dryo isnt gaining its mega strain powers, we can just say "mutated so hard he fucking died"

[paper oriole]

That could work honestly, having to build your strength up through the elder generation perk+diets and activities in order to withstand the strain takeover in your body

I had been thinking sort of like the plants in the herbis' diet start to grow into the herbi and grant it features varying between species, making the herbivore a plant mutant zombie powerhouse until they are eventually overgrown and become one with the environment, a corpse that can give diet bonuses to other herbis if it survives until overgrowth

Perks like a bark eating herbi becoming hard and thorny. Abilities like regeneration and faster recovery when quenched by rain and blood or enhanced with photosynthesis during sunny weather

Kinda a stupid idea but i think it would look cool ya know

[limber hull]

TBH, a plant-based strain could be cool, depending on its abilities

[paper oriole]

Like a toxic fungus herbi, an herbi with whipping vines and thorns, manchineel herbi lmao

[limber hull]

Imagine a normal looking bush turning into a whole-ass stegosaurus emerging from the ground

fucking terrifying

[lavish quail]

There will be a playable plant before herbi strains lmao

[limber hull]

fucking true

[paper oriole]

You see a weird bush in the distance, approach it and its just the overgrown remains of a plant zombie herb

Also the perks to other herbis granted by an herbi who survives until overgrowth, or perks for carnis who kill it early on would definitely spark some server wide PvP mayhem

[lavish quail]

Herbi strains would just be them turning into plants

[paper oriole]

Yes

But like, in a badass way

[lavish quail]

Thorn bush kentro intensifies

Defence 100

[limber hull]

Plant-strain herbis could be super-active during daytime, enjoying the sun and following its warmth and lower their activity at night as they wait for day to return to regain energy. Also could do some crazy hiding shit like blending in with local foliage, etc. Swamp-thing looking teno that can dive under the water, hold its breath indefinitely and blend in the flora on the bottom.

[paper oriole]

Tje baby kentro holding a twig in the concept art “one day, I too strive to become stick”

[lavish quail]

Herbi eats other dead strain herbi to become strain herbi

[low canopy]

strains should happen by consuming herbivores that have consumed strain plants, change my mind

[paper oriole]

That would be a lil busted, i was thinking perks instead

For eating from an overgrown corpse

[limber hull]

The fact that these things COULD be targeted by either carnis or herbis would make them one of the most interesting herbis in the game tbh

[lavish quail]

Photosynthesis herbi

[paper oriole]

Perks for herbis if the corpse is overgrown, perks for carnis if they kill it before its natural demise

[limber hull]

Part meat part flesh. Everything wants a bite

You gain power but the downside is you become the ULTIMATE prey

[lavish quail]

Stam regen during the day

[paper oriole]

I should really finish my doc i had on this way back that i never got to conpleting lol

Maybe its not as dumb as i thought

[lavish quail]

Nothing is dumb

[limber hull]

every strain in the Isle should have a downside

I love the idea of the plant strain's downside being "literally any animal can eat you and probably will want to"

[paper oriole]

Well true, we have spino aloen wizard that can control weather planned, plant zombies are no dumber

[limber hull]

Make them jampacked with nutrients and shit

[lavish quail]

Herbi sunlight strain thing with reduced stem regen at night

[paper oriole]

The downside to the plant strain is you become paralyzed after a while similar to how hypers eventually can not sustain themselves

The plant growth completely takes over and you die

You become bush

Sort of like that scene in annihilation

[lavish quail]

You are what you eat

Is a fitting phrase

But strain herbis may lead to strain herds

Strain herds to strain everything

[paper oriole]

And other herbis will benefit from an overgrown strain, prompting them to protect it and start a big fat brawl with carnis who would benefit from its early demise. The strain itself of course would be a sort of boss battle or stealthmaster as well

[limber hull]

idk, i feel like the plant strain being just "oh fuck oh god" constant paranoia would be good

[limber hull]

actually that is interesting

but if its on a timer, wouldn't it end up just being an elder on crack

[paper oriole]

Strain herds probably wouldn’t happen, it requires an exceptional condition to withstand the origin strain plant, and eating a strain herbi wouldnt spread it because that would be busted

[lavish quail]

Herbi strains remind me of devil fruits from one piece

[paper oriole]

If you think about it hypers sort of are as well. They are doomed to starvation

[limber hull]

true

but hypers timer isnt like elders timer

[lavish quail]

Don’t think there should be a timer

[limber hull]

you have the power to delay the inevitable

[paper oriole]

I think some factors may shorten or quicken the overgrowth process, maybe absorbing blood for nutrients

[urban flax]

I understand why herbs wouldn't get the hyperendocrin strain, but why not others ?

[lavish quail]

Just a compromise

Like losing the ability to swim

Devil fruit vibes

[paper oriole]

Tbh wouldnt mind tisso and neuro being neutral, hyper being carni exclusive and the plant strain being herbi exclusive

[urban flax]

Or maybe herbis could have their own strains

[urban flax]

Osteogenic strain for herbis !

[limber hull]

i think herbis having their own brand of strain would be cool

since carnis strains make them better at specific styles of hunting, herbi strains would be defensively oriented

[paper oriole]

Imma have to finish that doc asap when i get to the computer lol

[lavish quail]

Wait I saw some epic concept art for a game that isn’t related recently

[nimble thistle]

@barren zephyr pretty sure they said herbies won't have strains at all

[honest sparrow]

Neuro I can see being neutral but tisso really depends on it’s rework

[paper oriole]

Tap's tisso herbi art was sick as fuck it would be rad if it happened but it's a vain hope i shouldn’t even have

The tisso herbis look way cooler than the carnis in a lot of cases

[honest sparrow]

Yeah that looks sick

I really doubt it will ever happen

But it does look sick

[urban flax]

Tisso stego is literally kentro

[paper oriole]

Kentro but his face is a knife

[paper geyser]

oh look it's that new ankylosaur

[limber hull]

i personally dont see the existing strains working for herbis. Rather see new strains specifically for herbis

[paper oriole]

Imagine you saw the silhouette of that tisso stego at night thinking its just a kentro and suddenly you just get shanked in your side and its eating your guts out thatd be wack

It slices a tree over with its face

[limber hull]

Hypos are giant unkillable damage beasts designed to kill before the prey can even fight back, very good for killing other dinos due to the high meat requirement
Neuros are more designed around absolutely fucking with mercs, shutting down their tech and messing with their minds
I can see tissos being a tribals worst fear, sneaking into their villages and killing them when they least expect it

It's hard to hunt something you can't see, but can see you

IMO, each strain is designed to hunt a specific part of the roster. Humans feed too little to support a hypo, the specific nature of neuro's tech fuckery is most impactful against humans who need tech to do half the things they do and a tisso can use their stealth to kill their tribal hunters before the tribals even get a chance to react, as the tribals haven't the tech to detect the tisso, nor the strength to survive an attack from one

(this is why I'd hold out on adding anything like tissos or neuros till mercs/tribals are fully in)

[barren zephyr]

Bruh kinda cringe but ok

[limber hull]

it is cringe

[paper oriole]

The devs dont hide their favourites for sure

[barren zephyr]

Ok well I wanna see more strain concept arts for sure

Official ones

[urban flax]

It's ok to favor carnivores
After all they're better than herbivores

[paper oriole]

[barren zephyr]

Herbivore gameplay:

They definitely like carno a bit too much

Heard stego was pretty op too tho

Idk i don't play it

[paper oriole]

Stego isnt op, utah is just broken

Utah packs are supposed to pose a threat but since utah is so lame rn it isnt exactly happening

[urban flax]

Nature is the one who decided on it, don't blame me

When you're in the food chain, either you're on top, either your purpose is to feed something else

[paper oriole]

Herbivores have big ass cool horns and spikes they are cool

[barren zephyr]

I want hypo trike goddamn it

[paper oriole]

Hypers can stay on carni side

Herbis should get their own thing

[barren zephyr]

They would look so cool though

Although it wouldn't really make sense.. but it'd be cool

[paper oriole]

They would look cool but itd basically just make herbis in to carnis or theyd eat every tree, bush and shrub on the island

Or both

[barren zephyr]

Herbies instead of becoming strains become earth benders

[paper oriole]

I have a plant strain for herbs in my head imma post in feedback eventually there was a convo about it earlier

[barren zephyr]

Oh id be interested in reading that

[limber hull]

I still believe both herbis and carnis deserve three strains each

Plant strain is cool but like, variety man

[barren zephyr]

Surely so, me too

Like Mira said it'd be cool if they had something different than the 3 main strains something more unique

[urban flax]

Oh I just realized
When you talk about plain strain you're talking about that idea of mixing the animal with a plant ?

[limber hull]

yes

as in, herbi BECOME plant

[barren zephyr]

Transform into tree

[urban flax]

So with this and my idea of the osteogenic strain we have 2 out of 3
Let's just find a third one and submit the idea to the devs

[limber hull]

Oestrogenic?

[urban flax]

It's in the name.
Literally : generates bones.
So more horns, more spikes, more armor... kinda like hyperendocrin but less fleshy and more bony

[cyan flame]

Why would herbis have strains though? The entire point of them is that you get a temporary "I am god" playstyle and then die? :p

[limber hull]

Equality

[urban flax]

I can get behind the fact that herbi players will want to die at some point

[cyan flame]

Not all carnis get strains anyway so? :p

[limber hull]

Neither would all herbis

[cyan flame]

But strains are not sustainable as playables, or not meant to be. So not sure on it. Sure you can go on a rampage as herbi too I guess, so it's possible :p

[urban flax]

I want neuro ptera that has access to the Internet

[limber hull]

I ain't out here asking for a fucking super dryo

[limber hull]

I mean, neuros and tissos are far more sustainable

They just need to play to their strengths

[cyan flame]

I don't think they will be. And personally I think they should all break down, it's the point of them.

[urban flax]

The point of seeking ideas for herbi strains is to give them another purpose than "go on a rampage and die"
Tissos and neuros don't seem really fit for killing an entire server either

[limber hull]

Specifically tisso, which seems to be extremely evasive and difficult to capture

[cyan flame]

As one of you said earlier, neuro break the mercs then die, hypers the dinosaurs, and tissos the tribals

[urban flax]

I think every strain should be able to be kept indefinitely if you play them really well. Like, as a hyper, if you manage to constantly kill everything in sight, well, you can stay alive

[cyan flame]

But they can/will still die

They're too powerful to be allowed to stay around, the point is a reset

[limber hull]

Hypos are designed to rule the dinosaurs
Neuros are designed to cripple the mercs
Tissos are designed to stalk and pick off the tribals

Each strain acts as a way to kill a specific faction type, sure they can kill other factions, but I see them specialising best in killing their specific factions

[limber hull]

Yea hypo is gonna die

[urban flax]

Well they could be made into a rock paper scissors kind of game
Hypers kills other dinos, but are killed by mercs
Tissos murder tribals, but are killed by bigger dinos
Neuros destroy merc bases, but are vulnerable to tribals (somehow)

[limber hull]

Hypers aren't really killed by anything but themselves

[cyan flame]

Well, there was talk of anti-hyper guns

So mercs can possibly do something about it if they have to

[urban flax]

I think hypers should be super boss fights for tribals or mercs
Monster Hunter, but with a player-controlled monster

That's why I don't want them to die of starvation
That's kinda lame of a death for a god of destruction

[limber hull]

How mercs can kill hypos is simple. Mercs literally cannot support a hypo food-wise, and using stealth, tech and vehicles, hypos would really just starve out even trying to hunt mercs. More of a waiting game

IDK, I think killing them takes away a lot of their impact

[cyan flame]

Even so, there's been mentions of guns for it

[limber hull]

I think starvation is a perfect reason for it to die

[cyan flame]

But in any case, they're not meant to be sustainable, they were an ecosystem reset

[urban flax]

I think mercs should like assemble an army, get a lot of guns and ammo, then shoot at the hyper until it dies
If you can do it in primal carnage, you can do it in The Isle too

[limber hull]

You have this unkillable god of creatures, an apex among apexes, yet it is killed, not by an aggressor, but by its own unfathomable strength

[paper oriole]

The dinos in primal carnage dont have super thick armour plating and fast regeneration

[urban flax]

Well rex does
And I think a Hyper rex would be around 2x as tough as PC rex

So still killable

[limber hull]

I would far prefer hypos as more of a
"OH FUCK, HYPO!"
"FUCKING GET IN THE CAR, NOW, GO GO GO GO"
"HOLY SHIT IT'S COMING"

Rather than a
"Oh a hypo. Jerry, whip out the hypo gun, we're launching this thing to kingdom come"
"Got it"

Just... Ugh

Killing hypos takes away so much from what makes them great to me

[urban flax]

That second case would never happen, since as I said, you'd need to gather a lot of people to tackle one
And that'd be a tough fight

The hyper gun allows you to kill a hyper, it doesn't make it easy

[limber hull]

I personally just like the idea of this thing dying by its own strength

Poetic death in a way

[urban flax]

Well yes but it makes things less interactive
If there is a 0.1% chance that you can kill something, players will go for it
If those chances are zero, then there is no point and people will just treat hypers as moving obstacles

[limber hull]

You give it unfathomable power, and it gets everything it wants and more, hunts become easier and it no longer has to fear, yet it can't get enough and eventually dies because it cannot support its own newfound strength.

I like to view hypos as an unstoppable force.

[urban flax]

Also Hyper gameplay risks being kinda boring if no-one ever tries to challenge you.

[urban flax]

Pretty much the same, except, imo, for a few threats designed specifically to deal with them. Like magna rex

[limber hull]

And then you lose that oomph, that thing that makes hypos so scary. Give someone a tool and a strategy to remove the threat, and it loses its power as an object of fear, and just becomes another obstacle to overcome

FUCK MAGNA REX

I'm going to sleep now because magna rex makes me so fucking angry

I hate magna, worst strain 0/10

Hypo strain but for nerds who can't commit to penalties

Fuckin' elder reskin lookin' mootherfucker

God I hate magna

[urban flax]

Maybe Magna is attained through surviving long enough as a hyper ?

[limber hull]

It literally is an elder reskin in that case

[cyan flame]

xD

[lavish quail]

strains a good for herbis

argument destroyed

[cyan flame]

Magnaraptor is a thing too remember :p

[limber hull]

I do and I still hate it

[urban flax]

So there is commitment, but you are rewarded as "I went through the same shit as you, but I'm better and now I'm gonna end your puny power fantasy"

[limber hull]

Ew fuck that

"Here's a hypo but better"

[urban flax]

But magnas are weaker than hypers so that's a fair fight

[limber hull]

"Well that fucking sucks, why did I not pick neuro or tissos which don't have inherently better versions of themselves"

[urban flax]

Theyre just more skilled, since a magna always survived through being a hyper for a long time

[limber hull]

Fuck magna, it's like creativity shat the bed

[cyan flame]

You know, I want to see you say all this to Dondi xD

[limber hull]

It would be funny

But I genuinely do hate the magna

Everything about it just is the worst

It really is just an elder reskin

[cyan flame]

I don't think we have enough lore to know exactly how it would all end up

Just like we don't even know what tissos are anymore, and so on

[limber hull]

And, tbh, I think elders were added to basically give every dino a magna

[cyan flame]

For all we know, we're operating on old lore that isn't a thing anymore, where it concerns all of this

[limber hull]

Since everything about an elder is basically a magna, but designed better

Simply because, like the strains, an elder is on a timer

Chad Elder vs Virgin Magna

[urban flax]

Elder is regular elder
Magna is elder strain
So better elder
Virgin Elder vs Chad magna

[limber hull]

I hate the idea of a strain which just buffs you. No penalty whatsoever.

[urban flax]

(only in my headcanon)

[limber hull]

Magnas only go to a select few dinos. Every dino gets elder. Thus proving elder's vast superiority

[barren zephyr]

Honestly the elder system is gonna be fun

[limber hull]

Elder does not discriminate, it gives everyone the chance for more power

[urban flax]

Scarcity makes value

[limber hull]

It's like a strain for everyone

[limber hull]

yea but when only 3 fucking dinos can be a magna then that's not scarce that's just favouritism

No value there besides making it more worth your time to play a T-Rex than a shant

[urban flax]

That's because only they deserve it

[limber hull]

Ever wonder why they did fucking nothing with magnas

It's because they literally made the model

Went "oh that looks cool"

Then realised all their other strains were INFINITELY cooler

If I'm given the choice between "you starve like crazy but get the killing power others can only dream of", "you can fuck with the minds and technology of that around you and manipulate it to your will", "you can turn fucking invisible and stalk your prey until you decide to strike" or "the first one except you don't starve and your weaker than the first strain but still stronger than a non-strain", I know for a fact only boring people are going to pick option 4

because they fear having to deal with actual consequence and downsides for great power

So they pick the most boring power because it's the least punishing

Because they're boring and don't like the idea of confrontation

[urban flax]

Well that's true, depends on how the magna strain is handled
Weren't you supposed to go to sleep 10 minutes ago tho ?

[limber hull]

yes

okay bye

[urban flax]

And honestly, I must say... if magna is just a 4th strain that's discount hyper, that'd be kinda lame. I must agree on this.
Bye

[paper oriole]

Why would people want all dinos to stay as copypastes of eachother thats so god damn boring lmao

As a server option whatever but the skin system shouldn’t be stopped because some people want the dinosaur game equivalent of a toast sandwich

[urban flax]

That suggestion almost sounds like flamebaiting
Or it's someone who doesn't know there can be different levels of customizations other than none/BoB

[sacred moat]

Cotten candy brachi ftw

[barren zephyr]

The Isle:

[manic sun]

dude that´s BoB

the devs said they won´t add stuff like neon pink as a skin option

[barren zephyr]

What is BoB?

[paper oriole]

Beasts of Bermuda aka neon dinosaur rave

[barren zephyr]

In the same way, I prefer everyone to be the same

[paper oriole]

Disgusting

What a boring experience. If server owners want to disable fun customization on dinos so everybody is a supermarket clone so be it but i want to option to avoid that yawnfest by playing on good servers

[daring remnant]

at the moment there isn't the skin system but the game isn't a boring experience

[paper oriole]

The dinos look boring

Its fine because its wip but its lame when everybody looks like those mass produced plastic models lined up on a shelf. No personality

[barren zephyr]

I don't think that dinosaurs being different or the same will change the fun of the game that much.

[paper oriole]

It adds quality

Games where every playable asset is just a pure copypaste tend to feel cheaper

[barren zephyr]

I thought the game wanted to be based on the natural.

[daring remnant]

the only bad thing I see is a lot of people instead of having a pattern that truly gives personality will just use the black meta

[paper oriole]

If there isnt the ability to just slap black or white on what ever on every layer we wont get cringe albino or melanistic wannabes

And if some idiot chooses the lightest colours they can they can be a target and get eaten thats fine with me easy food that cant hide as easy in the forest

These sre generically mutated lab abominations made by humans they arent some seagulls or something where every individual is a clone, these guys' DNA is all out of wack

It would feel wrong to not have variation

[daring remnant]

didn't truly got the point in that message

[paper oriole]

When humans mess with animals they usually come with a lot of colour mutations

[daring remnant]

oh, now I got it

[paper oriole]

Like looking at domestic foxes vs wild foxes. Domestic rabbits and mice, domestic cattle

[barren zephyr]

But a good example to say that the lack of skin system is good, is nature, because it is super intriguing and that most animals look like their own species.

[paper oriole]

Meh

It isnt intriguing to me at all

Should just be a server option owners can toggle

[barren zephyr]

It will say then that you have never seen videos of hunting and animal fights on youtube, which makes the nature cool "it's the mechanics".

[paper oriole]

Pretty sure the devs still have feather variant skins planned for some dinos to so you’re probably gonna be even more unhappy when people have liberty to pick between those

[paper oriole]

This isnt nature and i have seen animals in nature so god know what you’re even trying to talkabout here, i just disagree with you it doesn’t mean i don't know how nature works

These are lab experiments not nature

[barren zephyr]

ok

[barren zephyr]

I didn't understand this comment

[paper oriole]

“It will say then that you have never seen videos of hunting and animal fights on youtube, which makes the nature cool "it's the mechanics".”

And what is this

[barren zephyr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVBqSJmHajg An example:

[paper oriole]

I dont agree with you so that means i havent seen hunting and animal fights or something? Random af

[paper oriole]

??? What point are you trying to make

[flat anchor]

customisation in legacy is just fine, i dont see why adding skin CC in evrima would be a problem if it'll end up being similar lmao

[daring remnant]

he's basically saying: the pattern of the dinosaurs don't need to be 100% naturals because they were made by humans

[paper oriole]

Ostriches arent heavily mutated spawns of mad bioengineering by scientists

So of course they will look like clones, they evolved to look like that

The isle dinos didnt evolve, they are mutants

Creations by human scientists, and genes in animals heavily influenced by humans often result in a variety of patterns and colours

[flat anchor]

bringing up "nature" as an argument seems to miss the point of them being bioengineered by people, yeah
utahs and velos should have feathers. they do not. it's not exactly scientifically accurate land here

[barren zephyr]

You were saying that what will make the game coolest is the skin system, and that the lack of it would make it boring, so I disagreed saying that what makes the game cool is the mechanics, for example, fights and hunts.

[paper oriole]

You are putting words in my mouth

I said the skin system is a cool feature

Dont try to twist my words

It adds quality

[flat anchor]

^^^

customisation options in an online game is always a good thing

and it is, first of all, an online multiplayer

[paper oriole]

Yeah it adds personality and makes the game feel higher quality if it has a good skin system

[daring remnant]

my favorite thing about the skin system will be: to be arrogant in front of other players because I have "more beautiful colors". that sound stupid and immature yet so damn fun

[flat anchor]

if the worry is about neon colored dinos like BoB has, then all they gotta do is use a system other than a color wheel.

[paper oriole]

Not like BoB where the skins are so puke inducingly bright that they hide model detail but logical skin tones

[flat anchor]

idk, i like to make Goth dinos with black and reddish tones myself lol
all they need are some natural color swatches, but a lot of them.

[barren zephyr]

It's just that the way you said it sounded like you were saying that the game will be boring because it doesn't have the skin system

[paper oriole]

Greys, greens, browns, tans. Patterned with whites and blacks and accented with desaturated reds and blues and yellows, oranges purples and yellows in moderation can be very natural. Im colourblind af and even i know that shit pops up naturally

Some animals like troodon or hypsi being able to choose from brighter colours, males customizing their display colours. It all just adds flavour

[paper oriole]

It would be more boring, yes

Like a burger with no toppings

[daring remnant]

not too much

[paper oriole]

Sure the burger is good on its own but i want toppings

[daring remnant]

but I would still like it

the toppings are the seeds on the buns?

[barren zephyr]

So, then I disagreed saying that what makes the game cool is the mechanics.

[paper oriole]

Well, anything you might put on a burger that makes it better

[daring remnant]

even pineapple?

[paper oriole]

Not any one thing makes the game cool, you still misinterpret what i say

Ngl ive had burgers with pineapple that were good

[daring remnant]

then I'll try one one day

[paper oriole]

Imo pineapple works on burgers and pizza with bbq sauce but not with the normal sauces

Sort of like how a skin system is nice, but not with kindergarten art project colours

[ebon girder]

@left geyser While i like the general idea you have, i think you made the cerato over specialized and gave it too many traits and abilities

[glass swan]

@left geyser i like a lot of what u said about cera but in the doc u gave it way to much resistance to literally everything. if its like the way u described, itll just be the new carno situation. but i dont want to just shit on ur ideas so i wanna say, i like the attack moves u described but i dont think tail hit should have a chance for fracture, and idk exactly what ur idea for headbutt is, but i would love like a head-swing that pushes bigger dinos back if in face to face combat. the grapple rmb attack is perfect, id love to just whip around a small-medium dinos like a dog does with a squeak toy. but in general:
venom resist, no. bleed resist, maybe. fracture resist, more calcium u eat, more resist. fast healing, yes. toxic flesh, no cuz gameplay-wise, it cant be this strong AND inedible.

[left geyser]

Well it is veery slow for a mid tier it will get slammed by anything bigger then allo, hence the high defense

The problem with carno is it is super resistant and fast as fuck, carno really should be more of a glass cannon

Cera can barely outrun most apexes, and daspleto, sucho, and a skilled allo can kill it but since it is inedible to them they don't bother attacking it other then over a carcass or territory, cera doesn't mess with them bc they can kill it, Apexes though can eat cerato

[glass swan]

just cuz theyre slow shouldnt mean they should be resistance to literally everything in the game AND is be inedible

[left geyser]

It isn't inedible

[glass swan]

"...since it is inedible..." -you

[left geyser]

Yes too some creatures

Most apex predators can eat it

And the young ones are edible

[glass swan]

most apexed wont be able to catch it, even if its a slow mid tier

[left geyser]

When I meant slow I meant like sucho slow

Sucho is not hard to catch

[glass swan]

theres no way its gonna be as slow as a sucho if a sucho is gonna be ingame AND stronger than it

and for a fully terrestrial

[left geyser]

What i said that sucho can kill cera pretty easily

It just doesn't cause there is no point unless its over territory, food, or protecting its offspring

[glass swan]

sucho will DEFINITLY be able kill a cera but not chase it, sucho is a semi aquatic giving it a reason to be slower on land, cera isnt semi aquatic so it wont be that slow

[left geyser]

The point is cera will have really high defense so it can be that slow

Most other mid tiers won't bother it

[glass swan]

but its a medium sized dino, it has no reason to be slow

a MAGY will be faster than a sucho

and magy is ceras main prey

[left geyser]

I gave cera a grab for a reason

It has to ambush the many and grab it to kill it

Cera will be able to catch nothing unless ambushing according to my idea

[cyan flame]

May I just cut in and say that if you're making a highly resistant critter (to venom, bleed, fracture), I would suggest mono for that sort of role, since cera already has the cannibalism/eat everything/"honey badger" fighting style and can be seen as a "I will sit on this corpse and unless you're much larger, you're not moving me" bully at that.

[left geyser]

Hence why I wanted it to be an opportubist

[left geyser]

I'm saying cera should be highly resistant bc it has the honey badger role

[glass swan]

i kinda agree

[left geyser]

Mono could have Dilos old role

Since it is getting an entirely new one

[glass swan]

but that would make gameplay so bad if it has nothing but positive attributes but slow speed

[cyan flame]

Yeah, but honey badger could also be more or less just very vicious/heavy damage for it's size and so on. Mostly cause cera has a few things going, while we have other critters that we don't really know what to do with. It's just an idea.

Well, dilo is still dilo, more or less, except venom instead of just bleed. But it will probably play similar anyway, with some minor modifications.

And we have utah for bleeder vs large prey at that

[glass swan]

yes and to add on about honey badgers, they arent resistant, theyre intimadating

[cyan flame]

Anyway, was just an idea, since cera already have a few things, and there are other critters that don't really have anything so

[left geyser]

It only gets all of these attributes if it survives to adult, baby cera has none of the attributes, sub cera only has resistance, and adult cera is the only one who can eat Margy so it gets the inedibleness

[glass swan]

well then it just wont get to adult, having no baby attributes and being slower than a sucho in ur idea

[left geyser]

True I suppose the babies can have the ability to eat everything but being slower then sucho is an adult thing, it will of course be faster as a baby

Ot is supposed 5o be hard to grow because of the pluses the adult has

[zealous violet]

Ugh and thats the real issue here, Dondi.

[glass swan]

i think cera should only have the good healing like it did in legacy cuz it would fit this narrative of being symbiotic with bacteria and parasites.

[left geyser]

Cera gets clapped vt everything in legacy

[glass swan]

and resistant to fractures the more bones it ate

[glass swan]

that.is.false.