#general-feedback-discussion

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sacred moat
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A desert wouldnt really fit what we currently have for the island

lavish quail
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we got a quarter of an island xD

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i dont think we'll ever get the whole thing

paper geyser
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a desert wouldn't fit on spiro at all

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the best we'll get is probably an arid biome

sacred moat
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Right but deser- ^^^^^^

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Literally

rare axle
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Jungle map was a mistake ngl

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it looks cool

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but that's it

lavish quail
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rn its kinda just there

icy lion
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we're getting arid biomes but i highly doubt theyll be like the sahara

paper geyser
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jungle map was a placeholder, it wasn't meant to be super extreme best map

lavish quail
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but add ovi's hypsi climbing and Herrera and jungles will be cool

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we have a mountain area promised

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swear i remember that

sacred moat
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I dont remember that

rare axle
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You remember many map things i've never heard about

sacred moat
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Besides, mountains would be pointless

lavish quail
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wait it wasnt a mountain

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it was a rocky area with a dryo

sacred moat
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I think you're talking about the screenshot with the dryo on the beach with rocks behind it

lavish quail
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no not that one

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the one with springs and geysers

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idk what im on about ok

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i remember a bunch of shit ive been playing for 5 years

sacred moat
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Whatever the devs said 5 years ago, just dump it out of your memory

rare axle
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Anything they said 5 years ago is not a thing anymore tbh

sacred moat
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Chances are they aren't still doing it

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Right

lavish quail
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we dont let the devs make promises here

limber hull
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@rare axle i have the legit opposite issue. Too many people clustered in centre/south and near shallow waters. The hotspots are way to close to each other and it's not very engaging

lavish quail
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south is a thing yeah

limber hull
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East is rarely visited and west might as well be a fucking desert with how abandoned it is

rare axle
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Yeah but it's because there's no reason to go anywhere else

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If water was more sparse it would help already

lavish quail
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not really

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the water is only at center and south

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more water would help more than less

rare axle
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I mean that's how it works on legacy and it worked well

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We didn't have rivers all across the entire maps

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We traveled from one spot to another

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It always was risky to go for a drink but also created interactions

lavish quail
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legacy was actual hot garbage

rare axle
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And evrima is better?

lavish quail
rare axle
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Sure kermitcoke

lavish quail
rare axle
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A pachy and the needs to search for food h24 to get your diets needs will make the game more fun

hoary dawn
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more fun than sitting in a bush

lavish quail
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more fun than losing your dinos

maiden anvil
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Looks like some people appreciate the evrima spino

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Thx!

lavish quail
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im gonna make art for this

karmic grove
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I haven’t read in depth on the diet feature, but do we know that the dinos will have to follow it once fully grown?

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Or is it just going to aid/hurt the growth process of the dinos?

lavish quail
hoary dawn
karmic grove
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Then that will be unfortunate. People will probably be less likely to nest due to having to stick to a diet.

sacred moat
rare axle
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hopefully

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I was just memeing about the fact it clearly won't be the update that will make evrima better than legacy

sacred moat
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Like with anything that they first add, its bad but then they fine tune it out for better balancing

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Oh

lavish quail
rare axle
lavish quail
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the roblox version of the isle is better

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plus you cant play legacy anyway

valid zephyr
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Watching people shit on legacy is hilarious. Despite the fact that half of them spent thousands of hours on it.

lavish quail
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the Chinese scam servers

lavish quail
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it was only 300

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i wish i could have those hours back-

valid zephyr
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Legacy was great. Just very flawed and not able to be the game that the devs wanted it to be.

But just claiming anything from legacy is automatically trash is an argument made in bad faith.

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I loved legacy. I've not touched it since evrima first came out though.

lavish quail
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I lost hope in the game when all the new dinos were sandbox only

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also when all the scam servers came

valid zephyr
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Nesting is still a legacy exclusive feature. Doesn't mean that nesting is automatically trash. Same goes for everything still in legacy.

barren zephyr
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Servers without alt turn kinda destroy the game tbh

lavish quail
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nesting will be so so so much better in evrima

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i bet you will do a questline like thing

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where you gather resources

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i would love that

valid zephyr
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Legacy did hotspots better than evrima imo. In legacy, water was dangerous to get as water was limited to lakes, and player interaction was encouraged.

In evrima you have miles of empty river. Water becomes just a tax, rather than anything adding to gameplay.

lavish quail
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they do have a shit map in evrima

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graphics for it are great tho

valid zephyr
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Region 2 and Thenyaw were my favs.

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Region 2 was ugly and unrealistic. But its actual gameplay was amazing.

haughty folio
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hey guys what's going on in here

lavish quail
icy lion
hoary dawn
rare axle
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that's bait

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I won't bite

hoary dawn
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all legacy has on it is nesting and skin system

rare axle
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you're on coke

hoary dawn
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wh

lavish quail
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nah

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evrima better

hoary dawn
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sorry but it just is better in almost every way possible

haughty folio
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oh, huh. thought I killed everyone in here

lavish quail
rare axle
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I'll rephrase you

haughty folio
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I can see that with my lack of eyes

rare axle
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Only thing evrima has better

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is movement

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now I leave again bedge

valid zephyr
hoary dawn
valid zephyr
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They tried to make the map 'realistic' from the look of it.

Turns out that realism doesn't make good gameplay.

haughty folio
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I'm gonna be real here

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only reason I play evrima is because I'm a slut for movement

valid zephyr
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Update 5 is where evrima will overtake for me personally

haughty folio
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that, and apparently the Chinese servers took over legacy

rare axle
haughty folio
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only 2 reasons

valid zephyr
lavish quail
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its update 4 for me

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if they perfect it

haughty folio
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I don't think they will

rare axle
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Evrima better because you got hypsi, deino and ptera ?

lavish quail
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it will have a beautiful combat and

haughty folio
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I've got a block of text somewhere in my back pocket about diet systems hold on a sec

rare axle
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To each their own, in my opinion you are blind if you think that evrima in its current state is better than legacy

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it has more potential

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that's about it

haughty folio
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why diet is stupid easy:
having nutrients in all bars appears to give you "good" diet
there is a grace period where you are in good diet going to bad when one or more nutrient bars are depleted
you start with full nutrient bars
eating roughly a third of your hunger of a nutrient plant will fill up its corresponding nutrient meter completely
long-term effects of bad diet appear to be non-lethal
why diet is stupid impossible:
nutrient bars drain ridiculously quick
nutrient plants appear to be in extremely distant locations from one another
there is no transition stage from good diet to bad diet or vice versa
presumably the grace period for good diet going to bad works in reverse which will make getting out of bad diet harder

lavish quail
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it has 10x faster development

haughty folio
rare axle
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ah yes 1 dinosaur with a game mechanic every 6 months

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10x faster

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bruh ?

lavish quail
lavish quail
haughty folio
rare axle
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it's just a chore, it's not fun

icy lion
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if its a total, boring chore, then share that so it can hopefully be improved

rare axle
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Hopefully

icy lion
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but as of right now, no one knows how diets will truly play

rare axle
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We judge from what we know and recent livestreams

lavish quail
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it should provide an interesting carnivore play

rare axle
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and what we heard

haughty folio
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my assessment of diets currently goes off entirely Filipe's streams which admittedly has the bias that Filipe doesn't appear to have very good map knowledge

hoary dawn
# rare axle what mechanics, what dinosaurs, what development ?

-body dragging, meat chunks, wallowing, flight, underwater swimming, grab based attacks, stun attacks, soon a far more in depth fracture system and diets
-each dinosaur has its own special ability/abilities making them feel way more unique than legacy
-in 2 years evrima has almost everything legacy took 5 years to get plus a ton more new stuff

mental sleet
lavish quail
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you find the preferred prey you hunt. you find its diet and the route it takes. You chose what prey you can fight and what to leave alone

icy lion
lavish quail
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very good concept

rare axle
haughty folio
hoary dawn
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i listed mechanics

icy lion
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i really hope that people give honest, genuine feedback during the diet test

lavish quail
haughty folio
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as much as I'm fond of the idea of making a difference, being a guinea pig was not my thought process for that

icy lion
haughty folio
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I'm admittedly too angry to be on QA probably

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anyhow

icy lion
hoary dawn
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the diets we saw filipe play with are not set in stone anyway, there is gonna be a public beta test to refine it, so i'd assume it'll be toned down and made less of an eternal struggle

lavish quail
haughty folio
valid zephyr
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Admittedly what we see on stream hasn't gone through balance testing, but from what we saw of diets, the nutrients drain far too fast next to food.

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Means that unless you want to be permanently ill from overeating, your nutrients will steadily and irreversibly drop

barren zephyr
valid zephyr
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Nesting is the mechanic I want as it gives a goal other than grow in a bush and then left click on people.

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which is still something legacy has over ebrima.

lavish quail
valid zephyr
lavish quail
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a good nest system will be the best

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so will a good weather system

valid zephyr
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something really satisfying in getting tiny hatchlings grown to a point where they can fend for themselves.

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and player hatchlings give better conversation than mangos.

tepid gate
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Weather is a big factor imo and one of the reasons why legacy in a way feels better than Evrima

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It creates a much more atmospheric experience, coupled with a more interesting environment(imo the temperate climate of the legacy is a far more interesting setting for a survival horror game than the jungles of Evrima)

lavish quail
karmic grove
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For nesting, are all offspring going to be players, or will we be in charge of growing AI?

lavish quail
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players

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ai will have their own nests hopefully

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if ai have nests troodon will be fun af

karmic grove
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Tbh I wouldn’t mind raising AI. So instead of inviting a player, we can nest an AI. To clarify we could do both and choose which we preferred

tepid gate
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I disagree, the experience of being in a storm at night, trying to make your way through a hillside with a lightning lighting up the field and showing a Giga crawling towards me was absolutely amazing. It's just a shame that the legacy for the most part didn't utilise its weather and nights properly.

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It's much better than the constant sun in Evrima

paper geyser
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big agree on weather

lavish quail
tepid gate
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Thank the heavens the devs have introduced a day-night cycle

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even without night vision it made the game so much better

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I still remember when Evrima was just noon 24/7, it was atrocious

lavish quail
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i want 1/3 nights not 1/2

tepid gate
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Legacy had a number of issues but it doesn't mean that none of the things in it are worth porting over. The stuff that worked should be transferred over to the new branch

lavish quail
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or like a summer winter thing

paper geyser
tepid gate
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Yea I think it should be 50/50, I actually really liked nights in the legacy, Thenyaw only though

paper geyser
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day and night need to be 50/50, the issue that has to be resolved is giving both types of dinos things to do

tepid gate
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I loved hunting at night even while playing dinosaurs that weren't nocturnal at all

lavish quail
paper geyser
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so?

lavish quail
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nights should be shorter or brighter till then

paper geyser
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the game is being built towards one end product, reducing night now and then increasing it when night terrors are added is unneeded

lavish quail
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rn its kinda just annoying

paper geyser
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the issue of it being boring will need to be solved either way

lavish quail
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dilos and troodons will fix the boring part

tepid gate
paper geyser
lavish quail
paper geyser
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still not a solution

lavish quail
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i mean nights arent meant to be the combat filled exiting part

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more the horror side

paper geyser
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i still don't see how that helps the fact that nights are boring and make people log

lavish quail
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they last too long rn

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if day and night are both shorter

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then both will be more exiting

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idk

paper geyser
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that literally changes nothing

lavish quail
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i dont see nights as fun

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but i dont log either

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i see them as opportunity to jumpscare people as utah

slow linden
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I don’t really notice the day and nights changing since none of it is very dark for me either way

fickle jacinth
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why make night long with no nightvision?

hoary dawn
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they should've kept the brighter nights until a base night vision system can be added

lavish quail
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true

fickle jacinth
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yes, night are pitch black with no horror, and no vision

hybrid matrix
valid zephyr
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Lightning flashing in the pouring rain at night. Briefly lighting up the dilo pack in the darkness around you.

It was terrifying.

swift dew
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legacy was great, but it had some glaring problems combat

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it could just be so much more

hoary dawn
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how could you take damage from tail bites, but not die from one

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if it does damage it can kill you

paper geyser
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i'm sure it could be done but it'd probably need a needlessly complex workaround

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as in, for a player taking damage but not dying if the damage was taken due to a tail hit

hoary dawn
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the only way i can see something like that being possible is if each part of your body had its own health instead of all contributing to 1 health pool

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but that gets complicated real fast

tight oxide
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They could make it so tail become invincible after certain hp

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?

hoary dawn
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idk if that would work all that well

haughty folio
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I dunno

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Maybe make the tail mult impractically small that you're taking next to no damage from most attacks

hoary dawn
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animals like tenonto with massive tails could have their own invincibility shield

tight oxide
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That might work

paper geyser
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regardless, it's an incredibly complicated solution to a problem that'll likely be solved with time

hoary dawn
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having tail bites do really low damage is fine

haughty folio
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It's really not a difficult solution, just an unneeded one tbh

paper geyser
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tail already has a tiny multiplier doesn't it?

hoary dawn
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if you're low enough health where a tail bite kills you then you're pretty fucked anyways

tight oxide
paper geyser
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lol fuck utahs then ig

tight oxide
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Ok but for reals i think mult on tail is pretty small but noticable

paper geyser
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meh, i don't see the need for a change

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as i said netcode is something that'll be improved upon

tight oxide
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I mean

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Feels weird that deino can kill with tail bites

paper geyser
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just a consequence of video game health logic :p

tight oxide
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Ti did say they want realism and to be the dinosaur game

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Sooo i dunno

paper geyser
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realism is taken into consideration yes

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but i guess we'll see how things go

tight oxide
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I guess so

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See ya in 2 years for giga update

tepid gate
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Utah does have a tiny multiplier on its tail though - if you lose a lot of health upon being hit as a Utah then that means the hit connected with another part of your body - other than your tail.

tight oxide
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Lets just

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Not talk about utah

dreamy bison
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utah tail removal in gore update?

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one too many bites from deino and then it's gone

paper oriole
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I want to bite a utah in half

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This is my dream

sacred moat
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I thought they said they were against limb removal

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Btw

paper oriole
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I mean like when you kill somebody

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Obviously you shouldnt be able to just

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Take somebodys leg and leave them alive lmao

sacred moat
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If there is a spine hit box, I’d love to see a carno bite a dilo on the back and paralyze it

paper oriole
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If we could just straight up paralyze players with certain hitbox strikes i can see a lot of griefing potential

sacred moat
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Well I mean there is the price when you have humans playing dinosaurs

paper oriole
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Yeah humans like to induce suffering for fun

sacred moat
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With diets, hopefully people are more so pushed to actually chose to spend their time looking for proper prey items rather than wasting time KOSing

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Jesus autocorrect

haughty folio
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Paralysis is functionally death

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Treat it the same way

paper oriole
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Pretty much

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Else youd have people just paralyzing something weaker for fun and leaving it

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Like rexes in legacy sometimes did with leg break victims but way worse

worn saddle
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There is no way any animal is surviving with paralysis in the wild

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Hyenas are an exception because they are taken care by their clan mates, but shit

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Playing as a paraplegic dinosaur will be boring as hell. You just eat the food your friends bring and AFK sit 24/7

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And oh well. You will die first when something attacks you, since your friends will ditch you immediately

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A missing limb/tail/eye is an option, however. I think that would be quite interesting, although I am not sure if that should be implemented

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On one hand, it adds some realism. On the other hand, it will be annoying as fuck most likely

fickle jacinth
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utah pin carnotaurus? what? that sounds horrible

paper oriole
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If you could lose a limb and keep living on itd just result in people killing themselves because nobody but a magy main is gonna willingly want to waste time living as useless fodder thats begging to be KOSed

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Would be more worth spending that time growing a new dino who isnt a permanent cripple

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A utah redesign to something remotely creative would be nice but it ahouldnt be pinning adult carnos/tenos

random forum
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pinning might have not been the right word to use

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maybe knock down

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or a severe flinch

paper oriole
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Do you mean like knock them off balance and give them a get-up animation recovery

random forum
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ye

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could also have the risk of carno/teno kicking utah in the face as it stands up

paper oriole
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Maybe if the utah gets a running pounce directly on their side it could work, but the socketing rn makes it too easy for that on large dinos

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If utah actually had to aim for the side it would be a good reward for landing the blow

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Rn a utah can land on a carno's face and the game teleports them to the carno's side

valid zephyr
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utah should absolutely not be pinning things the size of carno or tenoto. Or even knocking them down.

I do agree that it should be bulked up to proper utah size and made 500kg though.

paper oriole
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Utah should get a better model to deserve that weight

valid zephyr
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the current utah suits 450kg (or even lighter it's so scrawny). But that's just a jp copy and paste

paper oriole
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Hed have to have solid stone bones to justify the 500kg with his current looks

valid zephyr
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current utah could easily be put at 380kg and turned into dakotaraptor.

paper oriole
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Build-wise yeah

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Like they could straight up bring back their dakotaraptor asset as a utah alt skin and it wouldn’t be out of place lmao

next chasm
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I have to say love this game, but the situation we have at the moment right now isn t good at all. Many bugs and suddenly grow resets took out the fun forme. Iit feels like very slow improvement in a lots of ways. For many weeks the devs said that Update 4 is close. I feel like if don t even come out anymore. If every following Update is taken so long the game won t even make it till Update 7. Cause the players patience will vanish more and more.

sacred moat
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I do wish they would add bulky Utah back

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500kgs just fits so right with them

paper oriole
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It fits right for a utahraptor but not for its model rn

sacred moat
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Yeah they need bulky Utah back

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But if pachy is 500 rn, it should be bumped up to 600-650kgs

warped fog
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Honestly, I don’t see an issue with two different large raptor playstyles
Dakotaraptor could be like the Utah we have now, fast, a good bleeder but weak and light
Utahraptor could be the heavier and slower species, relying less on packs and more on brute takedowns and quick damage
In terms of design I actually like utah, it just needs to actually feel like it’s heavy and a brute to separate it from a JP clone, maybe a little wrist surgery too, a lot of people seem to prefer the legacy utah claws

sacred moat
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That Utah concept is just a watered down carno

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Utah as a bleeding pack hunter is good

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I just noticed the baby austro at the bottom left

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What is it doing?

warped fog
# sacred moat That Utah concept is just a watered down carno

Not really, carno is a rounded out attacker (okay damage and bleed), incredibly fast, but not very agile and is weak for its size.

Utah would still be around the same size as it is now, but would be strong for its size, slower than carno but much more agile, capable of pouncing, and focused on damage rather than bleed. It’d still be very different from carno

karmic plank
# tight oxide Feels weird that deino can kill with tail bites

I'm 100% behind only damage to vitals killing you - aka only vitals are vital. Played a lot of simulation shooters like ARMA, early Rainbow 6, Operation Flashpoint, etc and I always liked the part-based damage system.

If your tail is chomped then your tail should go yellow, red, then black - and come with debuffs - but it shouldn't kill you unless you bleed out. Same goes for legs.

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Tail damage should mainly affect you turn rate, leap/dodge /pounce if you have it, and maybe slightly affect run speed

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Not sure about the idea of further damage past black potentially leading to permanent damage, though. Feel like most people would end up just suiciding if their Dino was permanently maimed

paper oriole
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Yeah most people would probably rather just regrow than waste their time as a crippled dino that has minimal chances of surviving a confrontation again

karmic plank
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Maybe it depends on how it's represented. Reduction to Max part hp could be palatable

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I guess it works better if all the ancestor stuff is in place - you get a few bad scars, time to trade in for a new Dino with a perk

paper oriole
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It still destroys your ability in same species matchups and same tier matchups especially for brawlers and defensives

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A defensive animal would be utterly fucked over by a permanent hp drop

karmic plank
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Yeah. I can't see permanent scars being a good thing until there is something in place that provides motivation for regrowing (aka ancestors)

paper oriole
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Regrowing limbs as a bog ol dinosaur would just look super funky, so i think attacks that crippling should just be fatal

karmic plank
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Maybe it could be like some games do it - once a body part is black, further damage to that part takes your vitals HP

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Or you get exponentially higher bleed rates

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So you might not die from your tail getting messed up but you also can't just lay there and ignore it

karmic plank
paper oriole
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If you mean just more locational stuff like tail damage, jaw damage etc that’d be nice but anything that permanently leaves you in a vulnerable/fodderized state should just not get in

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Because why leave somebody alive after theyve essentially had a target painted on their backs as an easy victim when theyre likely to end it there regardless

karmic plank
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Part of the debate is when a limb gets to 0%, what happens to further damage? Does it result in permanent scars (no), does that damage get converted into bleed (maybe?), does it get applied to your body hp pool (aka core hp aka vitals)?

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I'm a big fan of how damage works in Mechwarrior for example

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Where you progressively lose armour rating from parts then start losing function from them

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When a part hits 0 HP you can't use it anymore - which is often a sign of your Impending Doom but not always - but you can't actually die from non-vital damage unless you overheat (the equivalent of bleeding out)

limpid tree
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The server won't load in my Dino. I seem to be frozen on the screen just before you spawn in as your dino.

paper oriole
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rip

grim scroll
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Do you guys know if the devs want it so that the dino cant use their vibration detector noses near waterfalls?

lapis tree
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@eternal dome you know they’re going to delete legacy when Evirma gets more updates and becomes more popular. So there’s no point in doing any of that

rich turtle
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Dunno where to put this but this dude has no chill Randomly DMing stuff.

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Don't listen to their BS and block em. Thanks.

barren zephyr
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Dm a mod about it

paper oriole
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wtf lmao

karmic plank
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Yeah there's some scammers who regularly do that shit. Block and report

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I had the same speil from 2 of them within a week of joining, same Amazon cc scam

paper oriole
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sigh

tired tiger
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Don’t shut @golden iron

azure wadi
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Yeah I was a bit too quick with that one, sorry, Blu

tired tiger
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Yeh danger

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He’s saying the truth

azure wadi
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Just saying, I blocked you a while back, so don’t waste your breath

tired tiger
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Ok

golden iron
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wa

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ah i see

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i was shutted

azure wadi
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Don’t worry about it, i put a bad emote on your suggestion, sorry

tired tiger
golden iron
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ive lost a lot of tenos so im getting rather frustrated. I love this game sm but am forced to stop playing until its fixed

tired tiger
azure wadi
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I didn’t miss Click it, I was just too hasty with it, but I take it back

tired tiger
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Miss click

golden iron
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you probably thought i was complaining about the speed of the updates in general. my first sentence kinda sounds like that

tired tiger
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Yeh kinda they need to hire guys that aren’t good enough to do the proper updates but good enough to fix some bugs

karmic plank
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It's not about needing more people, or anybody being good enough, or not having enough time, it's about amateurish codebase management and patch management principles. But I've already given my Ted talk on it this week so I'll spare the repeat

barren zephyr
karmic plank
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Hard to do it without a dedicated channel or ticket system

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Be nice if discord had group mailboxes

paper oriole
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Herbivores aren't all chill and eat bush

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Herbivores are mean, even in real life

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Why punish players for being aggro on animals clearly designed to fight like tenonto, it is slower than its predators as well. Just run and wallow

azure wadi
paper oriole
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Lmao yeah hippos even kfs other herbivores

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Elephants too

azure wadi
paper oriole
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Boosh

valid zephyr
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irl herbis kill things for shits and giggles. Diets should be enough to stop them going out of their way to hunt carnivores.

safe galleon
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wtf I never thought a zebra would make me scared TI_monkaS

barren zephyr
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Big stripey horses that have enough power to kill a lion with one good kick to the face

safe galleon
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yeah but I mean, it has those silly stripes

barren zephyr
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It does look funny yeah

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Like a bob customization

limber hull
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forgot what chat i was in. Sorry

maiden epoch
static niche
karmic plank
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Even if you could categorically prove that herbivores shouldn't attack carnivores, it's a game, and combat is fun. If you exclude herbivores from combat the majority of people just won't play them.

static niche
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Yeah, my point was just that it’s misleading to say it’s for “shits and giggles.”

valid zephyr
karmic plank
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Then there's that video of a horse eating a chick (no, don't post it)

static niche
static niche
valid zephyr
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Domestic horses arn't magically angry and wanting to go hunting. They're essentially the same species as wild horses.

static niche
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Some horses see sheep as “playthings” and it’s apparently common.

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I live in a rural area where situations like that happen an awful lot.

valid zephyr
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Herbivores shouldn't have to sit there while carnivores chill at the treeline planning how to wipe them all.

static niche
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Of course not, I’m not saying that

valid zephyr
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If carnivores can wade in and wipe an entire herbi herd, the herbis should be able to pre emptivly go and attack it

static niche
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It’s always either fight or flight

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Even humans have that physiological reaction

valid zephyr
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Human players will always seek out action and combat.

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Nothing can prevent them taking their herbis to the most dangerous spot and killing stuff.

karmic plank
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There are servers which have RP rules if that's your thing - and it affects both carnivores and herbivores. Just like herbivores are supposed to avoid combat (even when it is logically advantageous for them to kill), carnivores are only allowed to kill to eat - and have to eat what they kill. They have a following, but most people prefer not to have such restrictions.

solar peak
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@tired wagon that's cuz of perspective, austro is slimmer than utah, and you have to keep in mind that our utah is basically JW raptor so it's slimmer than the standard one

tired wagon
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But the austro is farther away, so shouldn't it look smaller in the picture?

paper geyser
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it looks fine to me, i don't see the issue

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austro is longer yes, which is a design choice, but it's still skinny

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i don't understand

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unless you're saying utah needs to be beefed up

glass mulch
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Ehh....

unknown.png
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Austro isn't beefy at all

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hell, it makes beipi look like a beefcake

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also the tailfan is larger than the tail

still raptor
tired wagon
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I- I never said it needed a buff

barren zephyr
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Also it’s extremely long tail it puts upright, so it makes itself look bigger

barren zephyr
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the utah in the austro concept is likely a juvenile or subadult

limber hull
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That is probably a troodon lmao

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Could be wrong, but the lack of colour doesn't help

odd sedge
lavish quail
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i dont care if its either

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utah can pounce it anyway

odd sedge
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Austro can counter it by leaping away into the water so it gets a “safe“ space

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If it's faster than Deino while swimming/diving, which it should be

lavish quail
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i mean it should escape if it can notice a sneak attack

mystic falcon
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You can be all for killing things for shits and giggles in this game, because we are humans playing a video game, but not sure why people insist on bringing in the 'herbis kill carnivores in real life' argument.There's a little more nuance to that than the claim suggests. Herbivores don't kill on sight any meat eating animal like some kind of apex killing machine, because they value not getting injured above killing things. You can't use real life as an example in regards to video games with humans behind the computer screen. Doesn't work that way. The rate in which animals get hungry isn't even realistic in this game. lol

static niche
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Both are overly aggressive animals

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Hippos and Rhinos

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They’re territorial.

odd sedge
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Don't expect creatures that are capable of fighting back to run away when they see you.
And don't complain about over aggressive herbivores when any carnivore in the game currently can run away from them or hide when caught off guard.

static niche
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?

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I’m ok with aggressive herbivores

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Never expressed distaste for it either

odd sedge
static niche
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Ah, okay

steel dock
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a question, so have the devs ever stated that they were going to work on fixing the look of feathers? the hypsi for example, they look fine from a distance but close up they look like plastic and rubber molds

lavish quail
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they will with skins

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hopefully

feral solstice
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I think it’s for texturing?

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Can’t remember the specifics on what the actual term is

steel dock
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👏

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ty

lavish quail
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if it was on blender i would do it

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but i got no clue how to do anything else

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so hell naw

barren zephyr
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I’ve never used blender for animating I’ve just used SFM (the shitty software) to animate and I think people underestimate how long it takes sometimes

swift dew
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@tired wagon austro just has those tail feathers and in the position it used them in it made itself appear larger, that is a tactic that animals use irl as threat displays. plus our utah is smaller than a real one

feral solstice
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^

hoary dawn
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probably wont happen in-game anyway

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utah would wreck austro

tepid gate
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I wouldn't pay too much attention to the sizes of animals on the concept arts. They aren't meant to be 100% accurate to how big the dinosaurs are going to be in the game, I believe Tapwing said at some point that the sizes aren't exact representations, having said that - that Austro is definitely larger than the Utah it's up against(which I don't think it will be in the game).

covert dove
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Does anyone know why the AI on evirma such as the fish for EX spawn took a dive i cant fish with the ptera anymore?

glacial fjord
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@covert dove idk, i've heard a few theories like "encouraging scavenging" or "to spawn more land AI" But who knows. Scavenging would work but even on the new beginnings server where there are rules against "eating a corpse till it disappears even if you are full " People still do it. So it kinda makes it hard on us. I'm sure the Devs have their reasons though.

paper oriole
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scavenging also isnt a great reason when carnis have to eat their whole body weight or more every our each, not nearly as many leftovers for pteras

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hopefully they fix the hunger values again with diets

worn saddle
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I always wondered why do the devs call their raptor “utahraptor” when it is much smaller than a real one and is basically deinonychus

paper oriole
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It isnt deinonychus either its just a jp raptor

strange wave
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its nothing like either

paper oriole
#

It should have a fictional name honestly

strange wave
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its literally just jp raptor named utah
and it isnt changing

paper oriole
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They change it so much

worn saddle
paper oriole
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It isnt even a stylized utahraptor

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Its a totally different animal

worn saddle
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Having an actual Utah in game would have been badass tbh.

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A loner/paired predator that is slow, but deals massive amounts of bleed and is bulkier than Deinonychus

paper oriole
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A realistic utah probablt wouldnt be very viable but a stylized one would have been cool

strange wave
#

jp raptor is closer in size to achillobator
with completely weird body proportions

worn saddle
# strange wave it isnt

It is. If you look at the interviews, all crew members literally state that it was deinonychus that got its name changed to velociraptor because it sounded cooler.

paper oriole
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Just rename it apolloraptor or novaraptor apolloensis or velociovenator or literally anything that isnt the name of an actual animal lmao

worn saddle
strange wave
strange wave
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achillobator is man sized
and nearly perfectly matches jp raptors in size

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this is deinonychus

260px-Deinonychus-scale.png
honest sparrow
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Velo and deinon were lumped at one point, they are very vaguely modeled after deinon but very clearly match achillobator in size

strange wave
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this is achillobator

Achillobator_scale.png
honest sparrow
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(The lumping was stupid)

worn saddle
strange wave
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book raptors are not movie raptor

honest sparrow
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If it’s called a velo

strange wave
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completely different things

honest sparrow
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It’s a velo

worn saddle
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In the movie they based the dinos off Deinonychus too.

image0.png
strange wave
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this
is that jurassic park book raptors, or something similar

dbpx9tj-36f2c28a-547c-46be-9df1-25a9b578b0f7.png
worn saddle
strange wave
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in general its achillobator

honest sparrow
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Like I can make a triceratops bipedal, lack nose horns, turn the frill into a crest, and essentially make it into dilo, but it’s still called triceratops so it is a reconstruction of triceratops

worn saddle
strange wave
#

them saying its deinonychus doesnt mean its deinonychus in anything but name

strange wave
worn saddle
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Achillobators we’re not discovered at that time

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Or were they

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Wait

honest sparrow
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They were

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“Honey”

worn saddle
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Anyway, achillobators most likely were slow as fuck and not pack hunters.

honest sparrow
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Most dromaeosaurids when they

worn saddle
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While pack hunting behaviour of deinonychus is still debated, it at least has some evidence

strange wave
#

so were utahraptors
and deinonychus
as were literally all dromeosaurs

strange wave
honest sparrow
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The only evidence we have if pack hunting is some clustered fossils here and there and a shit load of speculation

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(Which is probably wrong)

worn saddle
#

That’s true, but in Achillobator there is literally no evidence of pack hunting whatsoever

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Raptors were most likely dumb as shit.

strange wave
worn saddle
#

But, again.

honest sparrow
worn saddle
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JW raptor is a deinonychus. At least the reconstruction of deinonychus that was accurate at the time

strange wave
#

thats so inaccurate it hurts

worn saddle
#

It is slightly larger, but hell. So is the Rex, the carno and the cerato in JW series.

honest sparrow
strange wave
#

my brain is melting

worn saddle
honest sparrow
worn saddle
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And lion is in the same genus as both of the other large cats, while Achillobator and Deino are from different genus, most likely not even able to produce hybrid offspring

tepid gate
honest sparrow
tepid gate
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There's a number of reasons why it's believed that the Deinonychi didn't hunt in packs.

worn saddle
#

Actually, Achillobator was only named and described in 1999 (but the fossils were discovered in the 80). Jurassic park the movie came out in 1993

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So, technically they were not knowledgable on Achillobator’s existence during the making of the movie.

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And it was simply a sized up version of Deino with fucked up anatomy for the sake of being a movie monster.

tepid gate
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Yea Jurassic Park Velociraptors are Deinonychi made larger - when the book was being written there was a proposition of Deinonychus being called Velociraptor antirrhopus and that's what Michael Crichton went with. He chose the name Velociraptor because it had a better ring to it.

worn saddle
#

JW has a tendency to size up dinosaurs, so it makes absolute sense that they would do the same to a tiny raptor.

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Utah was barely described at the time, as it was recovered one year before the movie production started

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Nobody knew tf Achillobator was

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And Dakotaraptor wasn’t even discovered yet

honest sparrow
#

Dakota itself is also kinda weird isn’t it

worn saddle
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So Deinonychus was the largest raptor with sufficient amount of information about it at the moment, that’s why they went with it and scaled it up.

hoary dawn
#

did any of them kill their own

worn saddle
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Constantly

hoary dawn
#

nice

worn saddle
#

Raptors were dumb as fuck

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Most likely

tepid gate
#

Most likely, dinosaurs in general were quite cannibalistic according to our current knowledge

worn saddle
#

Just like birds

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Chickens will gladly kill and eat any sick bird in their flock

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So would dinosaurs, I imagine.

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If raptors ever hunted in packs, it was most likely disorganised

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Without any plan

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Just swarming the prey

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And, come the fuck on. Deinonychus lived alongside Tenonto and the devs still went with “Utahraptor” as the name

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Then Dondi has the audacity to complain about people Roleplaying as Blue or Indoraptor when they literally ripped the design off Jurassic park

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The broken wrists even

hoary dawn
#

it is quite humorous

worn saddle
#

Then they take away 90% of raptor colours in Legacy

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and the red and black colour from all dinos

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Just because they didn’t want JP role players and “edgy” designs

sacred moat
#

Holy shit why is the Utah so big in that image

worn saddle
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They are very large irl

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paper geyser
#

hmm

worn saddle
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I mean, it would be cool to have a large, slow raptor that deals ungodly amounts of bleed and damage

paper geyser
#

this last one and the one from a little earlier definitely look oversized

worn saddle
#

It would probably be a snack to carno megapacks or some shit

paper oriole
#

arent bananas already planned?

swift dew
paper oriole
#

accurate utahraptor would basically be a worse cerato

meager tiger
#

Why is everyone against certain dinosaurs. Isn't this supposed to be THE dino game. Why not have as many choices as possible

paper geyser
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because unnecessary additions are a waste of time

paper oriole
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If it isnt viable or is just a clone of something it isnt worth the money and time

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Models, sounds and animations together cost a lot for one animal

paper geyser
#

post 1.0 they can add whatever they want, but before that nobody should even be thinking about expanding the roster

meager tiger
#

If the game releases one day then how about dlcs or just dino updates?

paper oriole
#

Species skins are a big possibility so far

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For clones

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Since carchar was discussed a bit

meager tiger
#

I'd be ok with skins

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Same stats

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Different animal

swift dew
karmic plank
sacred moat
hoary dawn
#

well i mean

#

the dinos are a huge part of the game

paper oriole
#

Dinos are a huge focus of the game what lol

hoary dawn
#

even when mercs and tribals get in dinos will still be the most played and the most in depth playables

paper oriole
#

You can remove mercs from a server in the future and things will run smoothly, you can remove tribals and things will run smoothly, but if you have a server with dinos disabled shit goes way off the tracks in that server

limpid tree
#

What's Easy Anti-Cheating??
I reinstalled the Isle and tried to launch it. But got a Launch Error saying Easy Anti-Cheating is not installed....what is that and why doesn't install with the game?

karmic plank
limpid tree
tired tiger
#

what arguments are going on now

sacred moat
paper oriole
#

I know that’s literally what i was talking about in that sentence lol

paper oriole
#

Hal is just a useless version of beipi

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Like permanent juvie beipi

karmic plank
#

OK this is probably a dumb idea, but it's friday and all

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What if some herbivores have a chance of being spawned as omnivores, and need meat to survive - and could also cannibalise

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It's probably dumb because you'd get the old progression dryo situation

maiden epoch
#

Why should a Herbi become a Omni out of nowhere

karmic plank
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No good reason, except maybe as a random mutation (like albino). Would just be interesting for an 'Among Us' kinda vibe

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Like I said. Dumb idea.

hoary dawn
#

isle imposter mechanic

worn saddle
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And they have very tight family bonds too

karmic plank
#

Yeah, I love it. They have a whole plan, pushing prey towards a river, pack members waiting ahead ready to ambush. It's so cool

worn saddle
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Yep, but raptors were dumb as shit

karmic plank
#

oh?

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how do we know that?

worn saddle
#

According to recent science, at least

worn saddle
karmic plank
#

eh, I don't really buy that personally

barren zephyr
#

We can’t really say completely as brain size is not always correlated with intelligence

karmic plank
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I mean elephants are 1:560 and are smart

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because they are big mofos

barren zephyr
#

What matters is the complex structure of the brain

karmic plank
#

cats are 1:100 and lets face it, are pretty dumb

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cunning yes, smart? not so much

barren zephyr
#

We had larger brains back then. Though now it’s more compact and complex at the same time

karmic plank
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chimps are 1:115 and are very smart

worn saddle
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I am really not sure how the scientists determine that, but atm a raptor has the intelligence of a rabbit at most

karmic plank
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I don't buy that at all

worn saddle
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Maybe it will change in the future

karmic plank
#

I feel like that is one, maybe two people who have decided that and it isn't a consensus at all

barren zephyr
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A predator needs a modicum of intelligence to successfully hunt and thrive in competition

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Likely more so than herbivores would

karmic plank
#

rabbits are dumb as shit, no way a 500kg animal with a brain bigger than ours was as dumb as a rabbit

worn saddle
barren zephyr
#

Croc is an exception

karmic plank
#

well ok, but crocs are cold blooded while the consensus for dinos was they were warm or mixed

worn saddle
#

Cassowary is dumb as shit

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And so is an ostrich

karmic plank
#

and croc brains are tiny

barren zephyr
#

Even then, it’s brain is wired to be very successful ambush predators

worn saddle
#

They are warm blooded

barren zephyr
#

Intelligence is not so a one lane street

worn saddle
karmic plank
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croc brain is 0.02 lb according to google

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for a 13ft croc

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that's like... 2 teaspoons of grey matter

barren zephyr
karmic plank
#

this is all #paleotalk tho

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since you can't actually put intelligence into the game as a stat

maiden epoch
#

@past dune just because they are Herbis they shouldn't communicate with each other you could say the same for carnis or omnis and on top it would just lead to that all lazy dudes sit somewhere and chat and that's not what the game is supposed to be

paper oriole
#

Cross species communication imo could just be special for a few dinos like maybe hadrosaurs can cross speak with eachother but not other herbis

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If trikes or other powerful aggressive ‘apex’ herbis could just talk to others so easily it would enable easy terminator herds

maiden epoch
#

Only Herbis who are supposed to live with other species Herbis should be able to talk to them

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Or we get more calls or learn more to use the 4 we have

paper geyser
#

cross species communication for herbis could be interesting

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maybe if they're somewhat closely related, since it'd be like two languages that are similar but not quite the same

urban flax
#

What I don't like with it is the fact everybody want it for herbis only

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If you want to encourage mixpacking, do it all the way

maiden epoch
#

It could but would just lead to a big talk session

paper geyser
#

herbivores hanging together usually isn't considered mixpacking, much less so when diets will encourage certain species to be in the same place

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if you have 6 different species then sure, but two or three coexisting due to diet overlap shouldn't be a major concern

urban flax
#

I don't see why carnivores couldn't do the same tho

maiden epoch
#

Will be the same when 3 Utah eat a body and a deino comes

paper geyser
# urban flax I don't see why carnivores couldn't do the same tho

because carnivores actively hunt herbivores, them communicating with one another encourages an unbalanced playstyle. Suddenly instead of having a utahraptor coming after you you'll have austro, utah, and troodon. Select herbivores communicating is a much more passive thing since they don't actively hunt carnivores (or rather they shouldn't). A hypsi and a dryo talking isn't going to be nearly as detrimental as a utah and a group of troodons

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but i can see how that might encourage birdbath sim again

urban flax
#

Herbivores don't need to be able to type in chat to hang around each other either

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And in some cases, there is really no issue with carnivore mixpacking

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Like pteras scouting
It doesn't need to be encouraged but shouldn't be prevented either
The problem is when people use discord voice chat to do that, which is unavoidable

maiden epoch
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Atm herbis hunt more than utahs and have a much higher success rate

paper geyser
#

i didn't say they needed to be able to talk to one another

urban flax
#

Isn't that literally what cross epsecies communication means ?

paper geyser
#

you misunderstand

paper geyser
summer forge
#

@past dune I think that you should have a channel where you're able to talk with other herbivores and such

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like keeping local as it is, but have another local channel to talk to other species of herbivore/carnivore depending on what you are around you

nimble yoke
#

Why do people fuss over global chat in evrima so much? Like seriously just give people the option to turn it on or off for their server

maiden epoch
#

Would just make it a big talk session if you want to talk so much go on Facebook or a Discord or other social media

nimble yoke
#

My guy, sometimes people want to say gg well played after a good fight

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Or ask for 1v1s

maiden epoch
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Then do it on the server Discord

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Most custom servers have an own Discord so there is no problem

nimble yoke
#

Again, what's the harm? Some people want to be able to talk in game to people in game

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Also don't give me mix pack bs it still happens a lot on evrima, hell global chat would let you warn people they exist

maiden epoch
#

I see no problem in that because it will destroy the gameplay, you can argue how much you want the end result will still be that people stop playing and just talk in chat

nimble yoke
#

You say that and yet legacy still works fine and dandy with global chat

maiden epoch
#

Not where I played most Servers I joined I saw ppl sitting next to each other and Chat

urban flax
#

The harm with allowing global chat as an option if that people who discover The Isle might go to unofficials, and discover an experience that is nowhere near what The Isle is intended to be

nimble yoke
#

Where did you play ioft XD

maiden epoch
#

And if you want no mixpacker play on a server with rules? Or just warn your own species

urban flax
#

Global chat beneftis nothing to the intended gameplay, so it has no reason to be in, even as an option

nimble yoke
paper oriole
#

Global chat was fun because i could kill some dumb rex juvie that friendly called me and theyd come back and cry in global about it but thats basically it

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It was fun to see “omfg why you kill me i was friendly!!!1!”

nimble yoke
urban flax
nimble yoke
paper oriole
#

I hope it comes back for sandbox servers but aside from the salt enjoyment its useless for survival

nimble yoke
maiden epoch
#

It would just destroy the Gameplay because I now for example can't kill a whole Utah pack without them notice me ( a whole stealth part disappears if someone says to everyone watch out) and no one wants to chat with people about Real life

urban flax
nimble yoke
urban flax
paper oriole
#

PoT is a balance disaster too

nimble yoke
paper oriole
#

And in BoB you can kill somebody by following them without making physical contact

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And thats like, an intended feature or something

nimble yoke
#

Hell even ark the glitchfest of a game it is makes isle look bad in that regards

summer forge
#

the servers I play on legacy never have that happened without the people concerned being reported to the server's admins

summer forge
#

wether you have a chat or not, people are going to notice you are hunting their pack.

#

evrima's current state is not definitive, which means that servers might have rules in the future.

maiden epoch
novel sigil
#

Dont see any problem with global chat if you can choose to not have it on.

novel sigil
maiden epoch
#

Because they focus on that and believe me Ark has far more buggs

novel sigil
#

i have 2k hrs in ark, so yes i know the bugs. But i get much more frustraded by the bugs in the isle. Cant even grow a dino without loosing it

maiden epoch
#

Yep that's why the Devs are to slow

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They know 2 weeks now that there is a Game breaking bug and didn't even said they work on it

paper geyser
#

they did

maiden epoch
#

They did?

paper geyser
#

yep

novel sigil
#

And they couldt fix it ?

paper geyser
#

they chose to wait until the next patch/update to fix bugs

maiden epoch
#

Still 2 week for a bug they could easy fix with just take the Update back and work on it before they release it

nimble yoke
#

Isn't the issue with isle that they don't backup their old versions so they can't go back and fix it

paper geyser
#

never heard of that so please don't go around saying it without evidence

maiden epoch
paper geyser
#

not even two months since the last update and people are already doing flips over how it's taking too long

maiden epoch
#

Well better than have multiple people complaining 24/7

paper geyser
#

people will complain 24/7 regardless, they have their reasons for not doing a hotfix

novel sigil
paper geyser
#

this will probably be the fastest update they've done. They are not slow, people are impatient

maiden epoch
#

And nearly 1 month where the game didn't work

paper geyser
#

okay? Play something else, you clicked "i understand" on the disclaimer every time evrima was booted up

#

this is an early access game being worked on by 19 people, only three of which are programmers

novel sigil
paper geyser
#

okay and ark has been worked on for 6 years

nimble yoke
novel sigil
#

yea, and "recode" was 3 years ago

paper geyser
paper geyser
novel sigil
paper geyser
#

i don't understand the point you're making

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how are you quantifying the amount of content in both games? Where's 99% coming from? Why is ark even relevant when i've already explained that it should obviously have more content?

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paper geyser
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so first it was 3 and then it's 4? It's been two years, stop making things up to further your agenda

nimble yoke
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I mean if we want to comparison content might as well compare what the ark devs did with the island only

paper geyser
novel sigil
paper geyser
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yeah, early 2019. I don't know what sources you have but they are incorrect if they say anything earlier than 2019

novel sigil
tepid gate
# paper geyser this will probably be the fastest update they've done. They are not slow, people...

This just isn't true, the "fastest" update was update 2 which was released on the 30th of November last year, update 1 was released on the 28th of September iirc which means that the gap between these two was merely two months. This one definitely took longer and isn't close to being the fastest one. If you count the works on it as having started after the release of update 3.5 which was released on the 29th of May then it's still been 3 months and I wouldn't be surprised if a large portion of the playerbase doesn't even count update 3.5 as an actual update since it hasn't drastically changed the game in any way nor added any playables from the point of view of the player.

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As for the recode it's been started 2 and half years ago in March 2019, it was mid to late March iirc so it's not exactly 2 and half years yet.

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Although Ark is a terrible comparison for The Isle as each playable and mechanic there definitely requires much less work than in The Isle due to the lack of fidelity to detail.

barren zephyr
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It’s literally a beta game. People act like it’s The Isle 2 or something. The game isn’t done. And won’t be for a long time

summer forge
barren zephyr
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Plus stuff like Diets and fractures need to be built from the ground up as completely new mechanics while stuff like nesting and skins won’t take as long cause there is already a built base of what needs to be done

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But it is true you can never please everyone. There will always be those who won’t agree with you and will be angree

maiden epoch
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They why not work on the fast things to push the content?

barren zephyr
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Because gameplay loop first, fun second

maiden epoch
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It's not about fun it's to keep the game alive because if there is no content the player base gets bored and quit

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And if there is no content atm the player base can complain

summer forge
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in my opinion, a game's playability should be the priority over novelty

paper geyser
# maiden epoch And if there is no content atm the player base can complain

the content is legacy tbf, that's what's advertised on steam. In reality they could make Evrima private and nobody could really say anything since it's a wip branch that they decided to let people play. Not to mention that current player stats aren't really relevant. Most people play on legacy, and even then the full release of the game will bring in new players

barren zephyr
zinc rivet
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@keen vapor Why do you think no? TI_Dilothink

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damn I thought this was a good idea but two X's already

keen vapor
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Im also not sure how i feel about certain nutrients giving a boots in a spesific stat.

zinc rivet
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It's just a suggestion for thought. Who's to say they can't come back to it at a later date. I think it'd be better than having all of your stats cucked because you struggled to find that one last plant

keen vapor
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As far as we know that shouldnt happen. Regardless i dont think anyone should be posting feedback on a mechanic they have never tried for themselves

zinc rivet
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That is what happens though

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was watchin Filipe's stream and that's what he said it does

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if just one nutrient is empty, all of your stats will begin to reduce

keen vapor
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Ive herd the devs say otherwise

zinc rivet
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is Filipe not a dev

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lemme grab the vid

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he suggested maybe plants would provide multiple nutrients, or maybe you only need two nutrients to keep them from reducing, but I feel that would not be a good change because then they only need two nutrients, so they just camp a single biome

keen vapor
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I dont think the diet system is as simple as it seems. You dont get instantly screwed over if you cant the right food in time. Its also supposed to be challenging and not everyone will be able to fullfill a perfect diet and maxemize their stats.

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That would just be booring

zinc rivet
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It's not simple at all

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i think i got it

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https://youtu.be/xrygoxE1F-o?t=163

YouTube
The Isle News Updates
The Isle News Updates: Muscle Spasms and Final Part - Filipe QA Ser...

Filipe's twitch channel is here! Go check it out if you can, he has been streaming a lot lately: https://www.twitch.tv/ti_tessarofilipe

I didn't notice when I rendered this that there was a bit where the dryo's call is different. Someone clipped it and it can be seen here: https://www.twitch.tv/ti_tessarofilipe/clip/SinglePoorMousePeteZaroll-v5...

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Here's him suggesting to make it so plants give multiple nutrients, then suggesting to make it take two to increase diet, and then explaining how the diet system currently requires all three to go up and if only one of them is empty then it starts to go down

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i worry his suggestion will make it so players won't need to travel to different biomes because they'd be able to get all or only two of the nutrients they need from one biome and then get all of their stats buffed

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yes i haven't played it myself but i don't see why i can assume something which seems like such basic logic

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so I think my idea of making the stats tied to different nutrients allowing players to buff their stats in one biome whilst still needing to travel around to buff all of their stats, but won't as greatly punish them for lacking one nutrient by decreasing every stat, only decreasing certain stats dependent on the specific nutrient lacking, is an alright suggestion

lavish quail
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@zinc rivet they better do that

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That or I’m just gonna stalk the middle of two biomes as a carni

lavish quail
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@pulsar crystal they’re adding it as they go

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So it starts with dryo

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Then adds on

pulsar crystal
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Then atleast start with teno and Utah so there’s competition

feral solstice
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Eh

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Nah

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Start with Dryo, the basic dinosaur, then work your way up to the more complex ones

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Works for easier development

versed zodiac
hoary dawn
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"Just putting the information out there" isn't really feedback

feral solstice
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The fact update 4 started development after 3.5 which was little over 3 months ago lol

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Just putting information out there

sick crescent
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pre alpha disclaimer on the hud like in other games, its there for a reason

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a simple welcome message is not enough and idk why some might think it is

paper geyser
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good idea, i'll pass it up

sick crescent
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all the welcome message basically is, is just "hello this is legacy 2.0 but technically not 2.0 and its still early so might find some bugs" coming to a bill wurtz video near you

hybrid matrix
sick crescent
rain vector
# paper geyser okay? Play something else, you clicked "i understand" on the disclaimer every ti...

“Play something else” is not a good excuse, if the devs truly know about the dinosaurs not saving bug then they should release THAT part of the patch. Waiting 2 weeks having a game breaking flaw and just pushing it off to an update that won’t come soon? Oh right we also have a years worth of dsync in evrima that hasn’t been fixed. Play something else is not a valid excuse that this game is a dumpster fire, early access is used to much to go “oh well it’s fine our game is a dumpster fire since we’ll change it”.

hybrid matrix
rain vector
hybrid matrix
paper geyser
# rain vector “Play something else” is not a good excuse, if the devs truly know about the din...

nobody should expect an early access game to be fully functional at all times. "Play something else" is my response to people that can't seem to understand that game breaking bugs will appear and that if they haven't been patched out it's for a reason. Poor performance and server stability since release are valid criticisms and as such i have nothing to say about those. Once again, it's an early access pre-alpha branch that we just so happen to be allowed to play

hybrid matrix
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Its less work to just fix it once

jovial hazel
rain vector
hybrid matrix
jovial hazel
paper geyser
hybrid matrix
rain vector
hybrid matrix
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Its more structured that way

paper geyser
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yeah i don't see what you mean by that. The bugs are fixed and content is added in the same update. Breaking it up into two updates quite literally can only make things worse

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except of course that the community stops complaining (it doesn't) a little earlier

hybrid matrix
paper geyser
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not you

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ah

hybrid matrix
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Anyway i gtg eat my dinner

paper geyser
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laters

rain vector
# hybrid matrix The bugs could be a lot worse thsn they are But they arent Utahs could still be ...

Let’s list all the game breaking bugs then and tell me this is ok, dsync hasn’t been fixed for a year we’ve had rubber banding for 4 months dinos deleting for 2 weeks there’s a bug that makes it so you can’t wallow without re logging, there’s a bug that you bleed when you grow untill your adult so if you get in a fight that’ll never be healed until your full grown and it affects your stamina and health regen. Carnos charge is fucking silent and you can’t hear it when it comes after you, fish spawns are bugged. Utahs pounce bleed is bugged making it unviable especially when dsync sends you through the target. If your pouncing a stego as a utah and it’s on a slight incline of a hill it dismounts you and your dead. Utahs also sometimes can’t pin things half their size that they should be able to. Colission is screwed up as you can still walk through dinos at certain spots in evrima. But nah they got rid of the baby demon bug thats fine.

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If the devs actually listen, fix the bugs then do updates.

hybrid matrix
feral solstice
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@static steppe Filipe already implemented that for update 4

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You can now take a chunk of meat off of any corpse, and G is for ripping a chunk out, and holding G is to drag/pickup it.

feral solstice
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Why release a hotfix when there’s a stress test that’ll INCLUDE the bug fixes and new content to which you can test both the new content and the bug fixes?

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And it’s pretty much being prepped and will be released relatively soon.

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No point in delaying a stress test which is objectively more useful than releasing a hotfix and hoping the shit is fixed. With a stress test, they can release a fix, and if that doesn’t work, release another fix, and another, until it’s gone, without risking the public breaking.

static steppe
feral solstice
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Np

dense meteor
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I feel like seeing the silhouette of a rex just creeping up on you through the fog would be pretty terrifying

meager tiger
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But it will be a shooter later

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So your logic is flawed

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Hahaha

paper oriole
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only for one faction though TI_Troll

keen vapor
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@karmic bronze Yeah updates are coming in slow af rn, but keep in mind there is lots beeing developed in the background for future updates. Take humans for example

lavish quail
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man forgot evrima is in pre-alpha

frail sleet
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Yes but even Minecraft has crosshairs to help you see what you’re hitting

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I mean fair but it’s incredibly hard to see if I’m hitting AI so any kind of added indication would be ideal for someone like me who has the issue

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I literally try to avoid everything except AI and some is us have depth perception issues which is why I asked. Even if it were optional it would help a lot

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I’m not asking to make anything OP and if it’s player v player okay remove the help to even the playing field

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But for AI w depth perception issues it’s nigh impossible

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I don’t play ark

keen vapor
frail sleet
keen vapor
frail sleet
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I mean if it were optional you could toggle that on or off

lavish quail
keen vapor
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true

lavish quail
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i dont know what your trying to kill

frail sleet
keen vapor
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corshairs arent needed

lavish quail
keen vapor
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at all

lavish quail
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they're for ptera

frail sleet
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I guess. I like playing solitary and just feeding off AI and trying not to bother anyone else 🤷‍♂️ so it’d be helpful for me to just see hitting AI better but aiight y’all got solid points

keen vapor
tepid gate
# rain vector Let’s list all the game breaking bugs then and tell me this is ok, dsync hasn’t ...

There's also a bug that stops you from running and bucking when you get pounced by a Utah(typically happens if you get pounced while running and let go off the shift-key in my experience) and the bug that causes Utahs to dismount if they pounce something that makes any contact with water whatsoever(you will definitely get thrown off if that thing attacks while standing in the water). Another one is Utah not getting CCed after hitting a tree while pouncing something. They get thrown down onto the ground and start sliding on their backs, seemingly still in the recovery animation despite the fact that they're already "running" like nothing's happened.

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But I'm pretty sure the QA are aware of those. Let's hope they get fixed when the new update comes out.

maiden epoch
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@frail sleet just Download a App for a crosshair or look if maybe (if you have a Gaming Monitor) you can activate one in your Monitor settings

frail sleet
maiden epoch
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Depends on your Monitor but with a App you can definitely add a crosshair

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Just look on YouTube you will definitely find one there

hybrid matrix
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What about iron sights
Guns have those so you wouldnt necessarily need all these attachments
But lasers would be nice

paper geyser
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if hypsi doesn't have a crosshair (technically it does but you get what i mean) then i doubt humans will have crosshairs

hybrid matrix
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Ok

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You know what else would be cool? Vision modules

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So you can attach them if you have a scope and then theres like thermo, nv, etc

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Fully decked out AK

manic sun
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@smoky viper Utah isn´t a damage dealer it´s a bleeder. There are 2 types now. Kinda like AP (magic damage) and AD (attack damage) in LoL (if u know that game). So utah shouldn´t really have a lot of biteforce but it also could get a reeeeeeeeeeally slight buff just so u can secure juvi kills.

maiden epoch
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@unreal ridge why would it take longer for the stego to die I mean he a very thin neck compared to a Deinosuchus

unreal ridge
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But it would be harder to grab onto

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Not take longer

maiden epoch
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Ah ok make sense

unreal ridge
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Since stego has a very small head and neck for its size

manic sun
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cera shouldn´t really oneshot it

tepid gate
manic sun
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but defenitely deal decent damage and some bleed

tepid gate
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Adult deino will obviously be outside of Cerato's range

unreal ridge
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Yeah

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Cerato should focus on younger dinosaurs

manic sun
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idea is good but it shouldn´t oneshot apexes

hybrid matrix
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Any thoughts?

unreal ridge
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Like subadult 50-75 range

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Not it shouldn’t one shot apexes

manic sun
unreal ridge
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Yeah but cerato shouldn’t be able to solo an apex

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Just wanna make that clear

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At least not an adult apex

manic sun
unreal ridge
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Yeah I agree with you

smoky viper
manic sun
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agree

unreal ridge
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Also the killing blow wouldn’t happen instantly the cerato player would have to grab on and then I think maybe you have to weak the dinosaur just you need a lot of stamina

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Wear them down

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And then press lmb when you think is the correct time to kill

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So things like adult stego can just outlast you or even kill you if you take to long

manic sun
unreal ridge
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Yeah

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I just don’t want to to seem too op

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Things with armor like anky wouldn’t be affected since cerato would just break its teeth

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And I think since most things (teno, utah , carno etc) will be faster than cerato so it will have to rely on ambush

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To catch em

hybrid matrix
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@paper geyser feedback?

paper geyser
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how exactly would you toggle between the two types?

hybrid matrix
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Ohhh

paper geyser
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how would they differ, since i can only see the difference being the time to aim

hybrid matrix
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Its turning speed

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Looking down the soght remains the same, but slow aiming has slower turning for steadier aim, while fast aiming removes the stability and adds speed

paper geyser
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so if you're aiming and want to do a 180, how's that gonna change

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i assume with fast aim you'd do the 180 quickly but take longer to line up the sights? It's hard to tell what exactly you mean

hybrid matrix
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Slow aiming would be unbearable to do a 180 with

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Stability = accuracy

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I just forgot the word accuracy is all

paper geyser
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so it's just a forced sensitivity decrease?

hybrid matrix
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Fast aiming is normal turn speed
Slow aiming is slower

paper geyser
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yeah

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so lower sensitivity

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i don't see the point in that

hybrid matrix
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After playing generation zero you'd understand

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The point is so that you can snipe with a scope and use the same scope in close combst

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I can record a clip of gen 0 when i get home

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But thatd be in a few days

paper geyser
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i still don't understand. That sounds absolutely horrible for any shooter. Ideally you want the same sensitivity for not aiming and aiming so you don't have to internally switch from small arm movements to big arm movements when switching between the same targets

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though most shooters will give you a setting to change ads sensitivity and hip fire sensitivity separately

hybrid matrix
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I'll dm u a clip of gen zero to show you why i want this
But im going home in a few days so itd have to be then

paper geyser
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alright

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til then i disagree

hybrid matrix
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Ok

hybrid matrix
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@madds

urban flax
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@hybrid matrix I just read your suggestion
How would you trigger fast aiming instead of slow aiming ? Wouldn't it be simpler if it was "not pressing anything=fast aim, pressing aim=slow aim", like in most fps ?

hybrid matrix
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Ig u could use shift rmb

urban flax
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Yuck

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I'm an advocate of keeping game controls as simple as possible
Aiming is already meant for precise shooting, otherwise there is hip shooting (I'm not sure if that's the right word ? In french I would say tir au jugé)

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Adding two different modes for aiming just feels too much
That's like people suggesting a slider for controlling your speed precisely from slow walking to full sprinting
Sounds good on paper, but it's interesting only in games where you control a plane, a spaceship or something in the likes

hybrid matrix
urban flax
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okay

unreal ridge
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just give the mercs like a life straw or something

keen vapor
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Only really useful for snipers or marksman weapons though

hybrid matrix
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As long as i can seitch between steady and fast aiming im happy

keen vapor
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Its kinda misinforming to call it «fast aiming» as it isnt

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its steady aiming

hybrid matrix
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I editted it

keen vapor
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it comes off as you want to be able to aim down sights fast or slow

hybrid matrix
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@paper geyser
@azure wadi
@young iron
@urban flax i changed it

hybrid matrix
keen vapor
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yeah just rephrace all of it dude

hybrid matrix
urban flax
azure wadi
keen vapor
hybrid matrix
urban flax
azure wadi
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^

urban flax
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Or maybe I never found it

keen vapor
paper geyser
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So you changed it to just be a Breath holding mechanic

azure wadi
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Breath holding mechanics suck

keen vapor
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Perhaps add a breath meter for balance idk

urban flax
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Well I still don't understand why you would want "fast aiming" with a sniper or "slow aiming" with a machine gun

hybrid matrix
keen vapor
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Steady aiming is a really really nice feature to have

urban flax
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For snipers right ?

paper geyser
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It’s likely that breath holding will already be implemented, it’s a pretty common mechanic for shooters

urban flax
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Why not make aiming with a sniper automatically count as "steady aiming" and drain your stamina ?

hybrid matrix
urban flax
paper geyser
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Yeah it seems like an overly complicated way to give players control over aiming sensitivity

keen vapor
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So many games have this its a really simple mechanic

urban flax
paper geyser
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Modern shooters already have independent sensitivity settings for different magnification levels, we probably will too, alongside with breath holding