general-feedback-discussion

[meager tiger]

Or living in the vents

[lavish quail]

killing humans

for meat and stuff

[meager tiger]

You're making this up

[paper oriole]

For shits and giggles

[meager tiger]

The devs wouldn't pass the opportunity to add potential food sources to encourage dinosaur human interaction

[paper oriole]

Thats why you kill human

[pale storm]

Troodon should be an omnivore given the conditions it had to live in.

[paper oriole]

Our troodon isnt stenonychosaurus

[meager tiger]

Dumpster, warehouses, offices, kitchens

[paper oriole]

Its a fake animal

Venomous carnivore

It has no need to be an omnivore with all the tools it has been given

[meager tiger]

But who will go dumpster diving

[paper oriole]

Unlike ovi who's got nothing 🧂

[meager tiger]

If not troodon

[paper oriole]

Probably cera idk he looks like he eats trash

[meager tiger]

Eats too big

[paper oriole]

Imagine cera raiding cans like a bear

[meager tiger]

Hes

[paper oriole]

Good shit

[meager tiger]

Wait cera is omnivore

What

[paper oriole]

No

But scavengers will eat trash

Even if they arent typical omnis

[meager tiger]

Lol

[paper oriole]

Anyway, nothing is confirmed, just messing around

[meager tiger]

I like the idea of cera being the bear

Raiding dumpster

[paper oriole]

Would just be hilarious to have to deal with ceras knocking your base dumpsters over and ransacking them

[odd sedge]

Ovi could quite literally be a racoon. Eating everything it can get its grubby little hands on

[paper oriole]

Just hear a bang outside and its cera eating laboratory waste

[meager tiger]

You just walk around the corner hearing the trash fumbling

And like ..nope fuck that closes door

Wait doesn't cerato eat shit pile bones

[paper oriole]

Yeah he eats bones and rotten meat and guts

[meager tiger]

Perfect

Wait, I know mostly everyone including me is against piss and shit. But didn't I just now realized one potential pro for shit. Cera eats shit piles?

[odd sedge]

Please no

[paper oriole]

There was a suggestion before

For compy eating shit

[meager tiger]

I'm surprised no one else thought of it

[paper oriole]

Like literally following herds and eating it

[meager tiger]

Compy doesn't eat shit

[meager tiger]

It's like a land based buzzard

How has no one posted cera. It's literally a JP scene

And I'm against shit at that

[paper oriole]

Doesnt it walk up to the people, smell the spino shit and leave like “ew”?

Like it was wanting to kill them but decided “i aint touching that”

[meager tiger]

Oh I thought it was eating bone

[paper oriole]

I think they added it as a sort of joke scene but idk i dont remember it super well

[lavish quail]

@ivory summit you good?

[meager tiger]

Fields are going to be death sentences for small animals when quetz is added. It's like a giant eagle

Gonna swoop down and kill you going 100mph

Size of a plane

[paper oriole]

Itll basically be like sky carno probably

[meager tiger]

Yeah and that's terrifying

One second your doing fine

And the next second your running for your life

[lavish quail]

i dont want quetz ngl

[paper oriole]

For small animals. If you see it swooping down you can probabky dodge it if youre quick enough but if it gets you then RKO

[lavish quail]

its just gonna sit above plains and destroy anything in sight

[paper oriole]

I doubt itll be very agile on land though it looks decently fast for a ptero since its an azdharchid

Long ol giraffe legs

[hoary dawn]

quetz is awesome

[meager tiger]

Agreed

[lavish quail]

quetz doesnt seem like a good addition tho

[paper oriole]

Seeing a quetz silhouette in the fog would be super spooky

[meager tiger]

Well who else will be the terror bird of pray

[paper oriole]

They just have a creepy frame when standing

[meager tiger]

Prey

Quetz isn't OP. The environment can heavily hinder it

[lavish quail]

quetz doesnt fit in tho

[paper oriole]

How tho

[lavish quail]

i dont mind small flyers

[paper oriole]

Idk how a glass cannon flyer is all that out of place

Like a utah could wreck it

[meager tiger]

Why is a croc ok

[lavish quail]

wtf you gonna do against a quetz if your a rex

[paper oriole]

I hope we get frugivore tupandactylus some day too tho

[meager tiger]

But a giant eagle lizard is wrong

[paper oriole]

One shot it

[meager tiger]

Rex...

Can eat quetz easily

[paper oriole]

Quetz is a glass cannon, very fragile

[hoary dawn]

quetz has been planned ever since the game was first created, its been part of the vision the whole time

cuz the funny stomping land model

[paper oriole]

If a rex stood there afk a quetz might be able to headshot it to death but it is not standing a chance in a fight

[lavish quail]

quetz is too big and clunky to be balanced

[meager tiger]

How many quetz would it take to swarm a rex

5?

[paper oriole]

Not really

[meager tiger]

These are plane sized birds btw. 36 feet wingspan

[paper oriole]

Quetz's size is sort of an illusion if you think about it

[hoary dawn]

quetz isn't an apex, the biggest thing it would be able to take on in a 1v1 would be like a utah or something slightly bigger

[paper oriole]

He's tall and lanky but he's just a ptera with a greatsword on stilts basically

Not op

[meager tiger]

He's fast though

Can dive 100mph hit and run?

[hoary dawn]

quetz would eat smalls and juvies

[paper oriole]

They should make magy safe for quetz diet. Hatzegopteryx token

Even if it’d only really kill juvies 99% of the time

[meager tiger]

Wait how will rex fight quetz if quetz just divebombs his ass and picks back up like a ww1 plane going 100

[hoary dawn]

they should make magy safe for anything to eat and give it proper balancing

[meager tiger]

Rex can't turn that fast?

[paper oriole]

I doubt quetz would have the stam to spam divebomb

[meager tiger]

Oh ok

[paper oriole]

Like carno it should be low stam ambusher if it gets such an ability

[hoary dawn]

they could easily add upward looking attacks for large carnivores like in pce to combat flyers

[paper oriole]

It would need to land to recover

[lavish quail]

i dont like the idea of a massive flyer that could definitly overpack but thats just me

[paper oriole]

Anything can overpack

[meager tiger]

Not enough food

[hoary dawn]

good luck feeding a megapack of quetz

[meager tiger]

For quetz to overpack

These are huge 36 feet wide birds

[paper oriole]

Carno megapacks are way more harm than something that would be utterly crippled in the forest

[lavish quail]

you could say the same for carnos

but they exist

[hoary dawn]

i could

[meager tiger]

Twice as big as carno

[hoary dawn]

carno megapacks will have a rough time once diets exist

[meager tiger]

And it flys thus burning more stam

And it cannot hunt at woods

Rain

Or night

[paper oriole]

Good luck fighting people with your quetz brigade the second they step foot in the woods

[lavish quail]

depends really

[hoary dawn]

quetz would work far better in smaller groups anyway

[paper oriole]

Quetz is so big compared to pters that flying in the trees will probably be a nightmare so its basically a safezone from them

[lavish quail]

they could take advantage of certain things

[meager tiger]

Are you not listening timber

[hoary dawn]

if diets is anything like we've been told it is then megapacks will be harder to sustain

[meager tiger]

2x bigger than carno, more active, and cannot hunt in woods rain or night

[hoary dawn]

well

night might be good for quetz

[meager tiger]

Idk it can't see as well

You need vision to divebomb

[hoary dawn]

i imagine they'd give flyers decent night vision since they are so far off the ground

[meager tiger]

Wait I got a idea

To help small animals

Add tall grass

[hoary dawn]

and quetz doesn't need dive bomb to kill an unsuspecting juvie crossing a field at night

[meager tiger]

A field of tall grass

For animals to try to hide

[lavish quail]

its not even that they'd be good at killing small dinos

its just there isnt alot of situations they can hunt in

[meager tiger]

Tall grass, burrows

Will help small animals survive plains

Maybe even camofalgue

To blend in from birds eye view

Reminds me of that toad in Rango lol

[lavish quail]

they cant really hunt in forests, swamps, redwoods, anywhere with cover

more or less only open plains

[hoary dawn]

so they wouldn't

deino cant hunt on land at all but its still in

[meager tiger]

They're hunt in plains, deserts, savannas

Waterholes

Rivers

[hoary dawn]

it'd hunt dinos whos diet foods are in large open areas

[lavish quail]

deserts will be a while xD

[hoary dawn]

or in stretches of land dinos have to cross to get between said areas

[hoary dawn]

so will quetz

[lavish quail]

its a situational dino

[meager tiger]

Wait could a quetz attack a herd crossing a big river

[lavish quail]

and it would probably have to contest for food

[meager tiger]

Lol

[hoary dawn]

many of the upcoming playables are situational hunters

its not a bad thing to have a specific hunting style

[meager tiger]

Imagine migrating and you cross the giant river expecting a croc

But your attacked by a quetz

Can't even fight back. Your screwed XD

[lavish quail]

i mean

[hoary dawn]

one thing about that is the quetz would need to retrieve the body from the river

[lavish quail]

if said herd has a hypsi

with good aim

[meager tiger]

..I forgot about that

The body

[hoary dawn]

quetz could follow herds tho

wait for weak links and then strike

[meager tiger]

No point in attacking a crossing

Can't get the body

Unless bodies float

?

Do animals float when they die

[lavish quail]

bodies dont

they stay where they were

[hoary dawn]

even if the body floats it still has to drag it out without being attacked by a deino

[lavish quail]

yeah

[meager tiger]

Can't swoop and scoop bits?

[lavish quail]

its very very very very very situational

[hoary dawn]

its not as situational as deino

it has a lot of options

[lavish quail]

unless they added a human bridge i dont see quetz being a good option

[meager tiger]

Is quetz strong enough to tear as it flys buy

[lavish quail]

no

if it grabbed it, it would crash into the water

[meager tiger]

Then yeah the crossing is useless

I meant grab a bit

Not the whole body

[lavish quail]

A human bridge across a large river would be a good spot

[hoary dawn]

it could just do the same thing but in a field

[lavish quail]

ik

but to grab it bit it has to grab the body for a while

[paper oriole]

@robust anchor server owners are planned to be able to disable humans, tribals and strains in their servers

They are still adding them

[robust anchor]

Oh ok so the server host would be able to toggle the humans

That’s actually really good to know

[paper oriole]

Yeah therell probably be a lot of dino only servers

[hoary dawn]

also what's realistic about tribals and dinos from a bunch of different eras coexisting

[robust anchor]

Well I mean it just makes more sense to me than dudes with ARs and snipers running around 😂

I wanna be caveman with big spear hunting prehistoric life

[hoary dawn]

then play tribal

[paper oriole]

In all fairness too, good guns are supposedly going to be very hard to find and the ammo as well

So there wont be whole bands of AR wielding mercs mowing down packs and herds taking over servers

[mild walrus]

Geez what's up with the evrima servers? I keep getting poisoned but not eating, healing bleed but not being bitten. Not sure wth is going on.

[civic bloom]

Yeah this wont be a shooter with humans added

They wanna big emphasis of every shot counts

not to mention that guns are loud as fuck and unless you've got a high caliber hunting rifle and good solid headshot, you probably just alerted 10 utahs that its fucking dinner time

i think humans being added will put a proper scale as to just how fucking big these animals are.

Utah is like. the weight of a moose, man.

[honest sparrow]

except me

I am that .0000000001%

[hoary dawn]

using a gun will be a death sentence unless you know what you're doing

[robust anchor]

Well hopefully people don’t take mercenaries as an opportunity to hack and aimbot/1 shot the dinos

[honest sparrow]

that is why I am the exception to the rule

[tired tiger]

how will it be a death sentence

[hoary dawn]

cuz if you fire a gun everything within range to hear it knows where a tasty human is

[tired tiger]

ok

[honest sparrow]

loud noises that is a sign you are preoccupied with other things means death

[tired tiger]

ok

[paper geyser]

it can go both ways. If guns are too strong and ammo too abundant it may just act like a deterrent, not an attractor

[tired tiger]

true

[paper geyser]

"oh gunshot, better not go over there lest i get shot and lose 5 hours of game time"

[tired tiger]

are humans gonna be free when they come out @paper geyser

[hoary dawn]

free

[honest sparrow]

why would they not be free

[paper geyser]

i believe that is the plan

[tired tiger]

ok

[hoary dawn]

they're a faction in the game

[tired tiger]

its just i was not there when they were released in legacy

[hoary dawn]

well they were never officially released, there have been a few test runs that never worked out completely

this time is for good hopefully

[tired tiger]

oh ok

[paper oriole]

I think it would be hard to make a juvie rex useless without it looking silly. They should be harder to grow because of other reasons in some cases

[honest sparrow]

no juvi should be useless imo, different? weak? yes, but not useless

[paper oriole]

Juvie giganoto and trike i can see being useless because like look at them, but rex is an athlete build

Rex has a busted grow cycle

[honest sparrow]

having a relatively large portion of the game loop being useless is kinda crig

[paper oriole]

Yeah it encourages afk

Encourages afk and punishes you for doing it at the same time which is funny

Idk how theyll make growing a trike bearable in ev

[tired tiger]

yeh

[silent current]

So thoughts on the idea of plant conditions

[paper oriole]

Would be nice if plants grew in realistic spots yeah

Tribals are 9ft tall orc mutants they aint gonna evolve in to mercs lol

[silent current]

I just like the idea rather than aimlessly wondering the biome looking for said thing

You actually catch on to how certain things grow and where are more likely to be in their biomes

[civic bloom]

Tribals arent humans

[paper oriole]

Would also be more immersive to not see like ramps and wild ginger growing in the middle of some exposed field or something

Having shade and sun plants where they belong in the very least

[silent current]

yeah

Heck if they wanted to get carzier you could have like plants that only bloom at night

I just think it'd be interesting and less of a garentee more or so a possibly like possibly finding a cluster of them

Because the idea they have right now is they just spawn randomly in their perferred biome but they spawn more commonly in that biome

Now I don't want every 6 steps of a path theres mushrooms or so

If you follow the paths or roads theirs a chance in that preferred biome that their might be a cluster of them

Like a field of spike melons because the soil is just right for them, or a group of several mushrooms in one spot but never plentiful

Making it like a jackpot of sorts

[cyan flame]

@eternal domeMost critters will suffer from being cannibals, but the deino has been stated to at the very least be fine with eating their own, if not even benefiting from it. So if you don't like that, deino is probably not the best choice of playable for you.

[paper oriole]

"cannibalism of your own species" is kinda redundant, isn't it?

and yeah crocs eat each other all the time it would be dumb for them to punish it in game for such a common irl behaviour

[eternal dome]

Crocs do not commonly cannibalize irl. Yea it happens but its so rare because of how equally strong they are, its most commonly over fought food. Im just saying there should be a mechanic to stop psychopaths from jerking off from wasting hours of others lives. Killing WAY more than they could ever eat from it before it despawned, literally all just for a laugh, at hours of other peoples disappointment. The game would be much more fun if there were an incentive to actually work with your own kind, since thats all you can talk to, and you can work together to fight the other dinos. But people just want a deathmatch of picking on people that havent been on the server as long as them. Its fucked up, and a healthy game would realise that.

[hoary dawn]

I always kill my own

[maiden epoch]

Not with weaker opponent then they will just kill it if they need food and Deinosuchus/Crocs weren't usually in packs, just temporarily mate's

[cyan flame]

In most cases there are punishments for cannibalism, but some species can be played differently. You should also keep in mind deino is one of the few critters where having even a partner isn't that useful. Your main attack is a solitary thing, and having a friend, while obviously extra power, isn't really needed. In general you're right, you should team with your own kind, since they're the ones you can properly interact with, but even so, there are exceptions.

[regal pebble]

ahhh another toxic community were new players can hardly play 😮 why am i shocked

[paper oriole]

🎣

[cyan flame]

It's not that bad, and it tends to depend on what you choose as a playable

Not all critters have equally easy or welcoming lives, if you want to find friends, be a utah or dryo or teno, herbivore over carnivore in general, and maybe go for the ones with short growth times and easier lives.

[sacred moat]

I would like to point out that this is still a survival game at the end of the day

If you’re worried about dying to “cannibals” avoid your own species and assume everyone is a threat until proven otherwise

[paper oriole]

croc cannibalism will be much less of an issue when we have more map space and water sources uncovered anyway

[eternal dome]

Again so incredibly rare in nature. its literally just to be an asshole for the fun of it in game. Thats what should be changed. The game would be much more dynamic and interesting if people actually felt the need and want to work together. But there isnt that, Theres just kill everything that moves. Does that seriously sound interesting to you because i cant see how thats fun just wasting hours of peoples lives. Thats literally psychotic to me. And regardless of what happens in nature, What sounds like better game design? Encouraging social interaction? Or just another deathmatch game, Which servers can be set up to accomodate those players regardless. And @sacred moat thats another point of mine, That its a survival game, Where your goal is to get food. So killing 4 fucking deinos, that you can NEVER eat before they despawn, is not survival, Thats just killing for the hell of it.

[paper oriole]

in fact with more space, all species cannibalism will reduce

[maiden epoch]

If you want to work together with the same species play herbivores or Utah and just maybe Carnos
It's a Survival Dino Simulator so don't expect rules

[sacred moat]

If you want me to be honest

[paper oriole]

carno in the future should be more solitary than it is now

[sacred moat]

Extreme cannibalism will really only be a problem on buy a grow servers

If I’m a full grown croc and you’re a full grown croc, you trying to fight me for kicks and giggles could result in you dying on officials. Most people should use common sense and just seek easier prey unless actually starving

But on buy a grow severs, it will be a FFA

No shits given

[maiden epoch]

Then don't play Deino if you don't want to waste your time because cannibals are the main enemy for Deinos so it's your own risk to play deino

[eternal dome]

"Just dont play it" Your 5head is impressive

[cyan flame]

There are different playables for both social and less social gameplay, you don't have to play only this or that

If you want a very social playable that is oriented around teamwork, then utah is the best choice there on the carnivore side

[sacred moat]

^

[cyan flame]

Deino on the other hand, is designed to be much more solitary in how it hunts

[icy lion]

most species will be punished for cannibalism, but deino will be encouraged to do so

[cyan flame]

Utahs hunt by pouncing = encouraging having a pack and working together. Deino hunts by grabbing and drowning = encouraging you to ambush things on your own and deal with them on your own

[sacred moat]

Then again I think most people are grouping the term cannibalism under “we’re the same species but I still want to kill you the fun of it”

[eternal dome]

Theres just no point in talking to smooth brains anymore

[paper oriole]

a good 80% of "cannibals" i see being accused are people who leave a trail of juvie corpses in their wake and are just on a spree

[icy lion]

be civil.

[sacred moat]

Literally

[maiden epoch]

I just say how it is, you would do the same in order to not waste your 5 hours before you starve you cannibalise others and if you see he had a m8 u kill them to before they attack you and you may die

[paper oriole]

i highly doubt cannibal debuffs will affect mere KFSers

[icy lion]

itd only be for eating the corpse

[paper oriole]

they'll always kill their own. doesn't matter if they're hungry

[sacred moat]

Exactly

[jovial hazel]

TBH it will just make it worse. Food will be harder to come by, so you kill your competition.

[sacred moat]

There’s also that

Again, it’s a survival game, you’re going to die eventually

[barren zephyr]

I wont die, thats my ninja way

[jovial hazel]

I believe it.

[sacred moat]

Yo we got a hypo brachi main here

[limber hull]

My issue with deino cannibalism, personally, is that there is literally zero space where a deino can comfortably go "this is my territory, fuck off", since all rivers are currently interconnected. With more swamps, ponds and lakes independent from the river systems, I'd be more happy with cannibalism, since I can reliably have a place where deinos have to make the active decision to enter my territory

[sacred moat]

I mean they are going to expand the map

[barren zephyr]

Ok, god

[paper oriole]

i hope we get a new titan lake

[barren zephyr]

No, that was trash

[paper oriole]

bro titan was my fav sucho spot

[sacred moat]

I hope we get actual tall grass in the plains like the the Hope trailer

[barren zephyr]

Playing sucho lol

[sacred moat]

sigh

[paper oriole]

nesting on the little islands there

[barren zephyr]

Trot 3km/h

[sacred moat]

Nesting there as a sucho sounds bad

Like

Really bad

[paper oriole]

idk i never had trouble with it

[sacred moat]

No, because now we have deino

[paper oriole]

once a subrex spawned in on top of my group and we chased him off the island and a pack of carnos killed him at the shore lmao

but yeah in ev it may be bad

[sacred moat]

Legacy it was good, but the deinos will just take it over

[maiden epoch]

If you ask me the Swamp should have been in the Center

[sacred moat]

The only way sucho would be viable in rivers/lakes is if deino can’t drag it

[paper oriole]

lazy river and titan lake were good water spots i hope to see return tho

[sacred moat]

Why?

[maiden epoch]

Because most all action happens in Center, Shallows and Pond and somewhere there should have been the swamp to help with the cannibalism Problem because Deinos can't run from each others because they're in this slim river where juvie deinos can't hide

But that's just my opinion the swamp looks good and gets like 0 attention because it's not near center

[sacred moat]

Wouldn’t people just not spawn at center then(non deinos) like if I know deinos will be at that location, common sense would tell me to spawn away and find safer drinking spots

[maiden epoch]

Well shallows is still there and Pond and that are the hot spots

[sacred moat]

My point is that, swamp is just trash in general and people will move to safer drinking spots like shallows

[maiden epoch]

If you had to drink you try to drink in shallows or try your luck in Center are deinos lurking anyways so it wouldn't be much of a difference

If you stay 5 seconds to much on the center River 75% of the time a Deinosuchus will come out and try his luck but the swamp is big so there are more points to drink so its even safer then the center river

[sacred moat]

Yeah that’s why me personally I avoid drinking from any place that isn’t shallows unless I’m dying of thirst

[tepid gate]

I'm not entirely sure what the point here is - is it about cannibals in general or deino cannibals? I am a Deino "cannibal", I mainly play it to kill other Deinos(and Stegos). If Deinos weren't cannibalising each other they would literally be unkillable upon reaching adulthood. Pretty much every time I die it is to another Deino. No other animal really poses any threat to the croc.

Not to mention that the devs could put in all the debuffs they want for Deinos eating their own kind you could just... you know not eat them after killing them(which is something I did quite often).

And why are people putting a timer on that suggestion? Deino is literally one of the two confirmed cannibalistic species in the game, it's the one animal that will very likely not be getting punished for eating its own brethren.

[paper oriole]

Imo no apex should be punished for cannibalizing except maybe spino

Because spino has a pretty chill lifestyle option

[tepid gate]

Imo no animal should be punished for cannibalism - meat is meat and theropods were very likely all cannibals.

[paper oriole]

Most of them shouldnt be rewarded for it, but they shouldnt be punished for killing and munching juvies who are future competitors

[tepid gate]

We have evidence of Tyrannosaurs chomping and eating each other and same goes for Allos.

Yea, exactly

[paper oriole]

Birds and lizards generally dont care where the meat comes from

Sure i can see gameplay reasons for discouraging species who are designed to be highly social from cannibalizing but everyone else should just be what ever about it

[tepid gate]

I don't necessarily cannibalise with any other species than Deino in the game(unless I'm starving). But as Deino specifically I will kill every single Deino I can see(well most of the time anyways).

[paper oriole]

Also it wont stop packs from just kfsing aolo players of their own species or smallwr packs for fun

[tepid gate]

Yea, it won't

The fact that some people feel like going to the legacy is a solution to the cannibalism problem seems just weird to me, it's not like cannibalism was unheard of there.

The only difference is that the food for carnivores was more plentiful in the legacy so there was less of a reason to eat your own kind I guess.

[paper oriole]

The main difference is they can rush to servers where they can hide in a corner and eat tacos and be protected by body down rules and safe sones where admins drop pue bodies lmao

[tepid gate]

Thank the heavens that stuff is gone in Evrima

I'm just hoping that implementing this body down rule will not be feasible in the future

I've literally dropped playing on Teutonic altogether after one of their admins said here on discord that they will be reintroducing that rule when update 3 comes out.

Especially with how buggy the bodies are in Evrima.

I keep seeing them but they are unable to be dragged or eaten.

[paper oriole]

Diets will make body down rules hella stupid too

[tepid gate]

I'd very much enjoy startving to death just because a dumb rule is stopping me from killing someone.

[cyan flame]

Just wait until they see herbis killing each other over plants :p

[paper oriole]

“Utahs leave that para alone u have 2 pack member bodies” that go against their diet

[cyan flame]

If they're concerned with carnis killing each others, then I can't imagine how well that'll go over when herbis do it too

[tepid gate]

Not to mention that it completely stops players from using bodies to lure more prey for easy kills.

[paper oriole]

Herbs already kill eachother for the bushes lol

[tepid gate]

Now that will be fun, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the servers put in rules against that

I haven't noticed that much while playing Tenonto

I don't think I fought any herbivore so far

although I wanted to a couple of times

[paper oriole]

Ive seen stegos kill tenos and dryos a few times over a bush

Its honestly hilarious

I doubt stegs and tens will even share diets once they come at least

[cyan flame]

Maybe substegos would, assuming they balance growth values, that could be an interesting matchup perhaps

[paper oriole]

Wont teno have a swamp diet

I doubt sub stegs would

[cyan flame]

Small stegos compete with dryos, subs compete with teno, adults compete with each other

[paper oriole]

But yeah herbis are gonna be tussling over shit more now probably

[cyan flame]

Well they could, swamp could be better for a sub, using water/trees more vs utahs and carnos, as opposed to a fully grown one

[paper oriole]

sub Stego seems like pure deino fodder in a swamp, unable to escape if its found

But yeah well see what happens

[cyan flame]

Makes some sense though perhaps, it's one of the few times a deino gets to hunt a stego?

Not like a teno can do much either if it gets caught as it stands

And they might have to swim for their food if it's still in the swamp

[paper oriole]

Well it can run if it spots a deino and has above average swim speed. Well. Did idk of it still does

Sub stego in the middle of a swamp cant really get away unless it spots a deino from very far

Seems more like hed be a low browser in the forest

[tepid gate]

I don't think it does anymore

When I've tried swimming across a river while chasing a Carno it ended up really badly for me. I was quite surprised at how slow I was.

[odd sedge]

Hypsis swim speed isn't bad, but it drowns super easily

[tepid gate]

Hypsi's swim speed isn't just "not bad" it's really good

[odd sedge]

Have died multiple times due to the “Jump in river and swim“ technique that legacy dinos benefited from but it really doesn't work for Hypsi, since you dive under water and Hypsi has the lung capacity of a fly

You jump in, you die. But other than that, Hypsi is basically a feathered otter in a lake full of crocs

[meager tiger]

would it be a dumb idea to have species who don't take care of there young and the babies hatch alone and immediately have to survive. Like turtles or sauropods. Maybe a queue you can join while you play another dinosaur and then maybe 5 players hatch together without any parents? idk I just remeber watching walking with dinosaurs and seeing all the baby saurpods scramble together into the woods looked cool. Probably not a good game idea though

[umbral linden]

anyone elses dino not saving when they log out?

[hoary dawn]

person in feedback suggested a "realism" mode with tribals

#general-feedback message

[hoary dawn]

Idk

[jolly prairie]

Question: are there any plans to have the DLSS option on the "island"?

[zealous violet]

Yep. Everyones. its a current bug atm. For some people its a 50/50 if they will log back in to still have their dino but for me its been a 100% loss every time.
Just play stuff right now knowing your gonna end up losing it. 🙂

[quasi stream]

@zealous violet making that system wouldn't work. It's hard to determine how much you have left out of the development process as a developer. If you finish one mechanic, you still don't know how much left you have to do. Maybe bugs appear. Maybe they need to redo some stuff.

[hoary dawn]

Idk what's confusing about the roadmap, each feature has a set amount of checkboxes and once enough boxes are checked then it's ready to go

[quasi stream]

Some people are just lazy lol

[weak dune]

I've literally never died to drowning as a Hypsi unless I ran out of stam or a croc dragged me, and Hypsi is almost exclusively what I play. It does kind of have a crappily small breath timer for sure, but not really that bad imo

Hypsi is the best swimmer outside of Deino for sure though and considering how its built and how fragile it is, it should be tbh. Against anything bigger than it, it has basically no defense

Spitting isn't a reliable defense against charging carnis

[odd sedge]

If you full charge jump into deep water, you sink deep enough to drown

[weak dune]

Never personally had that happen but if its water as deep as the deep parts of swamp, it could be possible yeah

I've never really drowned just to dropping into water though

[dire quiver]

@crude gyro I have never heard of anyone that doesn't want humans in the game until you mentioned it. Most of the other stuff that you said was good, just wanted to point that out.

[crude gyro]

Thank you. From what I've seen, it seems to be a 50/50 but I could be completely wrong. A poll asking people would be interesting but humans are coming either way it seems haha

[paper geyser]

Humans are part of the lore, which is set in stone

Most of the planned and confirmed things (factions, mechanics, environments, etc) will be coming to the game regardless of community opinion

because of the lore

[crude gyro]

My point wasn't to not add humans because some people don't want them. But the devs keep making more and more human structures when there are bugs making the game hard to play at the moment. I think the human things are cool, but I'd rather fix the game first

[dire quiver]

Pretty sure most of the community agrees with you

[paper geyser]

The people making human structures aren’t the people fixing bugs

Division of labor guys, we’ve known of this concept for literally thousands of years

[still raptor]

Night cycle was only added because people complain that day was the only option

Now people complain when they can see lmao

[crude gyro]

That's a fair point tbh

[crude gyro]

Night time would be fine if we can actually see what we're doing 😆. We want a playable night, not a night that stops us playing. Tbf, there is a day/night cycle update on the roadmap coming at some point which looks really good

[still raptor]

Night time isn’t needed unless we have actual animals that can use it properly and night vision

[dire quiver]

Did they make night darker or what?

[still raptor]

Yes

[dire quiver]

Bruh

[still raptor]

And it will get even darker with this next update

[crude gyro]

And it's longer than day (I think)

[dire quiver]

But night vision is coming along with the next updaye right?

[low canopy]

nothing wrong with having a proper night, it just drags on so long that its better to log off and NOT play the game

[crude gyro]

^ exactly! Or afk growing which is boring

[crude gyro]

Not next update, think it's update 5?

[still raptor]

Update 5.5

But

Most likely there to get it out of the way

[dire quiver]

Cool

[crude gyro]

Why isn't health in those little hexagons at the bottom?

[paper geyser]

To prevent people from staring at their health during a battle and knowing exactly when to back out

To make fights more organic essentially

I think

[crude gyro]

Ohh okay

[dire quiver]

Not that you can just press insert twice real quick

[paper geyser]

You can, but that takes you out of the fight momentarily and leaves you vulnerable, as intended

Just because something is easy doesn’t mean it should be made easier. If anything you’re proposing it be made harder

[low canopy]

nothing prevents people from simply learning how many bites it takes to do X, so the game makes itself artificially more difficult by not providing the player with information about their own health / survival chances, its very interesting design since if it was a fighting game that would be really bad take but apparently its a survival horror game first

[paper geyser]

Majority of casual players won’t be able to memorise how many hits of each attack it takes to do x unless it’s a one hit, but if they do more power to them

You can already know roughly where your health is by looking at your blood screen as people did in legacy

The lack of a percentage and health bar is just there to make things more organic as I said

[crude gyro]

I mean, I'd rather know how much health I have left during a fight, and have all my stats in one corner (having one stat not included is just bugging me lol) but I understand why it's like that

[lavish quail]

Lmao phone art is beautiful

[pliant tusk]

Why do they allow you to know how much stam you have, but not health, on the same screen? It's both quintessential to combat.

[jovial hazel]

You do have health on screen. The blood around your screen gets worse the lower your health gets.

[pliant tusk]

I'm talking about an exact measure, like the stam hud.

[weak dune]

Except it doesn't. You could have barely any health left and your screen has no blood but some juvie utah snips the tip of your tail off and does 2 damage and your screen will look like a murder scene

[still raptor]

“Remove fall damage in water”

This isnt Minecraft where you can fall from an infinite height and not die

[weak dune]

Someone hasn't played Minecraft outside creative mode

[still raptor]

Implying falling in water

[weak dune]

Oh wait, yeah, water. Derp. Nevermind, I'm stupid

[sudden hinge]

@crude gyro you do know that different devs do different things right

[crude gyro]

Yes I'm aware. It just seems they're focusing on human stuff more than fixing the game. People are always saying they are loosing their dino and the devs are just posting pictures of human boxes. I know they do different things but it seems the emphasis isn't quite in the right place. I don't know how it is behind what they show on discord and such though

[sudden hinge]

I’m sure the devs are working on those things and will implement the fix in u4 but saying don’t focus on human stuff makes no sense seeing as different devs work on different things

The human design devs won’t have anything to do with this logic

[paper geyser]

all bug fixes will come with update 4. It seems they're working on the game as it should be in the long run rather than in the short run

hence why they won't revert an entire balance patch because of one bug

[sudden hinge]

What Kato said

[crude gyro]

Yeah I've noticed that. It's a little frustrating for playing right now but I understand. It isn't a completed game after all

[paper geyser]

thank you, lots of people forget this is an early access game and that they're essentially playing a pre-alpha

things will break and the gameplay experience won't always be the best

[crude gyro]

Yeah exactly. And from what I've heard, it's taken the devs a long time to get to this point already

[barren zephyr]

I hope we will have some actual numbers or something like that.

Because this is not enough information I think.

[sonic mural]

ah yes legacy feedback

[karmic grove]

About the cannibalism, I’m not sure how it’s being reworked, but in real life cannibalism between species such as crocodiles is fairly common when food is scarce. Additionally, there is not enough AI to feed everyone so starvation would be more prominent. I agree that make it would have some sort of downside but making it null just doesn’t make sense to me.

[crude gyro]

I doubt it could be completely stopped, but they are trying to discourage it as much as possible

[dense wagon]

@bleak atlas when did punch ever say that

i remember punch saying troodon would be the next worked on, just as the roadmap says

[tepid gate]

Not for the deinos they're not, Deino is one of the confirmed cannibals on the roster.

[lavish quail]

lmao just playing with ideas

#general-feedback message

[sturdy widget]

Punch literally never said it was next, nor is it intended to be deino food specifically (they're small and would probably give 1/4 food or less). Someone had asked what would come first between cerato and beipi, and he replied with beipi being most likely because the waterways needed more life

[dense wagon]

[bleak atlas]

Punch said Beipi is likely next, because waterways need more life in them. Even tho ovi or cera would be better. and if u look closely at what the devs write its pretty obvious they think deinos problem is a dino problem and not a map problem

[lavish quail]

i mean

its kinda a map problem

kinda a deino problem

[dense wagon]

#isle-discussion message are you serious

[sturdy widget]

I think they know the map is deinos problem...hence why they're updating the map next patch. Beipi will likely be too fast to be caught by deinos anyway if not caught off guard (my guess at least)

[bleak atlas]

i do not count troodon and pachy lol

[dense wagon]

are you gonna provide a message link to where punch says beipi is next or

wtf

[bleak atlas]

i mean after troodon. thought thats obvious

[dense wagon]

no its not? because troodon isnt even being worked on yet

okay. can you provide a message link

this is the only thing punch has said about beipi

and it doesnt confirm beipi is coming next, just that it will likely come before cera

[feral solstice]

^

[bleak atlas]

if you read how the wrote or talked about this kind of topic in generell its pretty clear, but i guess not to all lol

[dense wagon]

okay then

[lavish quail]

i mean i expect its after troodon

or dilo

[dense wagon]

the next update is TBA so we have no way of knowing what comes after troo

[lavish quail]

but beipi makes sense

[bleak atlas]

there where a lot of QA with filipe lately

[lavish quail]

honestly dont see why not

[bleak atlas]

ovi would be the best next addition tbh

[sturdy widget]

Even tho I'd rather have cera more, I feel like beipi would be easier to get out, since they probably won't have any ground breaking mechanics. Ovi probably will take some elbow grease with movable eggs and such

[lavish quail]

beipi best next boi

[bleak atlas]

beipi needs underwater plants. that isnt easier than beipis moving eggs in my opinion

beipi also has no competition in food, no real threath and wouldnt help the ecosystem that much

ovi gives a new food source for carnis, makes nesting more interesting (panic for mothers lol), isnt a good mixpacker or overpacker, would fit with the upcoming skin update. overall ovi seems nearly perfect as playable making the ecosystem better and working good with the next updates content

[lavish quail]

everything works

its not like we havent got plans already tbf

[sturdy widget]

Water plants way easier to do, since they already have land plants to blueprint over. I don't know whether they have the underwater plants modeled, but I guessing they're also part of update 4 going by the concept art. Plus they're planned to be omnivores so they'll at most need 1 or 2 plant species, since everything has 3 diet items to gather. I'm also guessing here, but it will probably have to come on land for a part of its diet because its a semiaquatic. So it'll be carno/utah prey as well

[bleak atlas]

they want to have a stable ecosystem asap, so no not really

[lavish quail]

its stable enough rn

[bleak atlas]

ovi has still by far way more points to it

[lavish quail]

plus we do have plans

[bleak atlas]

ovi would make it better, while beipi would have no threats, food competition and would add nothing to the game besides being playable lol

[lavish quail]

it would add a nice water ecosystem with it, and it can protecc itself from troodons

[bleak atlas]

no threaths isnt good lmao. No food competition either. Also with the updatet rivers and things on the floor its already nice underwater

[lavish quail]

you could say the same for hypsi

[sturdy widget]

We don't know how they'll go about the egg mechanics, like whether or not they'll have physics, they'll probably need multiple models per egg type if they want to make them crackable and breakable too. So even if ovi is better, its definitely not easier

[bleak atlas]

hypsi has threaths and food competition

[bleak atlas]

it wouldnt take much longer tho and better for the games ecosystem

[lavish quail]

what competition and who hunts hypsis other than cause their annoying

[bleak atlas]

everything, they are slow as fuck and an easy snack lol

also nearly nobody plays them for that reason. that is the opposite from beipi

[lavish quail]

have you played hypsi?

[bleak atlas]

yes

[lavish quail]

wdym slow

[bleak atlas]

slower as carno and easy to snack

[lavish quail]

their speedy and can jump and can hide and they can turn fast

[bleak atlas]

u only survive if your hunter is dumbas fuck lol

[lavish quail]

if you catch one as a carno either their trying to spit on you or their trash

hypsi is the easiest dino to survive as

[bleak atlas]

have u played carni and hunt one. Just track them and hunt them down

[lavish quail]

thats a waste of time tho

their worth no food

at all

[bleak atlas]

still beipi wouldnt have that problem. Faster than deino in water and can switch between land and water, what makes it untouchable rn

[jovial hazel]

They are actually worth more food than most juvis.

I love seeing hypsis now, they give utah like 20% hunger.

[bleak atlas]

cause they are adults lol

[lavish quail]

dont see why its an argument tbh their pretty hard to hunt

[bleak atlas]

u started lmao

i said beipi has no threats and u started with hypsi lol

both are the opposite

[sturdy widget]

Beipi probably wouldn't be fast on land tho, its small enough to die from literally any carnivore we have right now

[jovial hazel]

How much do adult hypsis weigh? I feel like I get more food from a hypsi than an adult AI dryo.

Starting to think you may get more food from swallowing something whole than just eating it on the ground.

[bleak atlas]

it can just go in water. its faster than deino and can go on land in emergancys. yeah if u play land beipi it has threaths, but the threath is more u being dumb then lol

[bleak atlas]

i think thats cause hypsi is an adult and not a juv

[sturdy widget]

Hypsis definitely give a lotta food right now compared to dryo, don't remember their weight tho

[jovial hazel]

Yeah, but adult dryo gives about the same as a hypsi.

[bleak atlas]

weird

[jovial hazel]

And I've noticed with juvi corpses, if I can pick them up and swallow them, I seem to get more food from it.

[lavish quail]

they weigh 20kg

[jovial hazel]

Need to do some testing.

[paper oriole]

Troodon already has more than enough

And putting an outline on dinos is annoying handholding

[sturdy widget]

Thats literally every dino though, everything can out run(or juke) or out fight anything that can kill them if they're on guard...I'm guessing an ovi will be able to outrun a utah because no way in hell it'll be out fighting it

I'm not saying I don't like cera or ovi, I'll likely play them both, but I'm saying your argument to why they should come first isn't really great

[sacred moat]

it makes sense for ovi to be faster than utah. It being an egg thief means that it needs to grab an egg and dip out of there.

[bleak atlas]

Beipi never outruns utah and beipi can run from everything and has no food competition. Ovi could easily be hunted by all carnivores if he isnt sneaky

[lavish quail]

beipi cute and pretty fun tho

[sturdy widget]

Ovi will be a glorious creature, fits my favorite troll niche perfectly

[lavish quail]

ovi will be cool

[bleak atlas]

Ovi too lol

[sturdy widget]

We don't know their diets though, ovi won't only eat eggs and something else might need beipi's frogs for their diet

[lavish quail]

I saw this ovi concept a bit ago

lemme find it

pretty far up-

[bleak atlas]

That was said mulitple times that beipi eats underwater plants and juvis/really smalls probably and ovi was always the egg thief

I still like this. Wouldnt be a bad idea to be honest

[lavish quail]

couldnt find it

[sturdy widget]

Yes, but beipi is planned to be omnivorous, even in the concept art it was shown eating frogs and plants, plus it will likely eat a third mystery food cause diets. I believe ovi is also planned to be omni, so it will also have two other items to eat other than eggs

Its concept has it with a twig in its mouth too, but it could be for nesting material

[bleak atlas]

Both are omnis yes

As i said beipi probably eats juvis and smalls too ir maybe fish

[sturdy widget]

https://trello.com/1/cards/5f27b6d3b9c978552f489400/attachments/6008bf1182ee6a826690560d/previews/6008bf1282ee6a826690561e/download/Oviraptor_Concept.jpg Heres the ovi for ya

[lavish quail]

nah thats the trello one

[bleak atlas]

Omni doesnt mean it has to eat meat btw. Could mean fish and plants, plantscand eggs, etc.

[lavish quail]

i was looking for one where someone did some neat drawings

[sturdy widget]

Yeah..and I didn't say anything against that

[bleak atlas]

Yeah just said it cause some people thing omni means u eat plants and meat, whats not always true

[sturdy widget]

Fish is still meat btw

Fertilized eggs would probably also count as meat technically

[bleak atlas]

I know, but i mean playable meat

[quasi stream]

@lavish quail That's some The Hunter COTW stuff

No no

[lavish quail]

what tis that?

eh i thought it was a cool idea

[quasi stream]

No

[paper oriole]

Its bad for pvp

[quasi stream]

We don't need the Isle to become an MMO with different magical stuff

[paper oriole]

In a pve game it's what ever but in a pvp survival game it is handholding for one dino and punishment for another

[quasi stream]

We need hardcore survival 100 times out of 101 just to survive once and be happy

Realism

[lavish quail]

"I don't think this would make it in game" "Its not realistic"

[quasi stream]

Yes

[paper oriole]

If you lose sight of your quarry and they get away it's gg for them, they shouldnt have an outline helping a bad hunter keep tabs on them

[quasi stream]

Yes ^

[lavish quail]

it was just cool to write about xD

[swift palm]

@twin hollow
"remove fall dmg into water"

[lavish quail]

bit overkill

[strange wave]

no its justified

[bronze vault]

There’s no such thing as overkill

[swift palm]

a yes, me, a dinosaur falling 8 meters into the water, i will totally not suffer any fall damage!

[lavish quail]

i think he meant the overkill

[swift palm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/741746688619839530/848236949877162034/845672275830243349.gif

ok

[strange wave]

^

[paper oriole]

Do people who ask for water fall damage removal realize that falling on to water from a height can be as bad as hitting concrete

[zealous violet]

Thats fair. It was just an idea I had that I wasnt 100% sure would be viable or not. ^^

[swift dew]

"the humans with guns make the game unrealistic, but the dinosaurs that lived millions of years apart and on seperate continents all on the same tiny island is completely fine"

the humans are the only thing that makes anything in this game make any remote amount of sense, you see something weird? it was the humans fault

also @tight oxide tribals aren't humans, they are 9 foot tall orc-like humanoid monsters

and they eat each other

[lavish quail]

tribals are a weird concept

i dont even know if i want them

[warm flame]

@quasi stream I remember them working on something like that a few years ago, the same time they were first showing sinking in water as you lost stamina, so I bet we can expect this soon

[slim wing]

They are wanting to add the coconut and Mango fruit trees to add food when pachy comes, will they add other fruits such as bananas or apples?

[quasi stream]

Hopefully

[tight oxide]

I thought tribals as in mercs alternate like native humans

[lavish quail]

yeah thats what i thought

[tight oxide]

Werent quadropeds the scary things

[paper oriole]

Crocs won't be punished for cannibalism lol and they shouldn't be

[jovial hazel]

Nothing should be penalized for cannibalism. 🙄

[paper oriole]

Punishing cannibalism wont stop kfs anyway

And kfs is what a good 80% of “cannibals” are doing anyway

Crocs will still just kos juvies for shits and giggles and go on their way as long as its easy enough to be entertaining

[robust barn]

Just ban anyone that kills me for any reason. They're me an

[manic flint]

Just play herbivores

[jovial hazel]

Those herbi "cannibals" are vicious too.

[paper oriole]

If youre a juv stego dont go anywhere near stranger tenontos

[honest sparrow]

No this big group of aggressive herbivores won’t kill me when I walk near them

[paper oriole]

“Because these people eat plants, There is no way they can be aggro!”

They should drop titanoboa and just add palaeophis when we get a marine roster in like 10 years

[robust barn]

But I wanna snake

[paper oriole]

Palaeophis is snake

Cooler snake

Sea snak

[robust barn]

Sea snake

[heavy dragon]

yeah you get titanoboa except ocean snake

[robust barn]

I do want to scare people with underwater noodle

[paper oriole]

Salty sea ramen

[zealous violet]

Care to talk about the dragging suggestion, my peeps?

[paper oriole]

The venom noodle

[heavy dragon]

paleophys would be fun and I imagine a little easier to code

tho i dont know anything about code

[paper oriole]

Yeah since it would basically die on land with no mobility it woukd be easier to animate probably

[robust barn]

It wouldn't be as cool as falling out of a tree onto someone as a noodle tho

[paper oriole]

It would have a larger area to hunt than titan who is deino food and would be able to hide easier

Titan is basically just a big elephant trunk snake

[heavy dragon]

virgin mosas dying during the cretaceous vs chad paleos surviving into the cenozoic

[paper oriole]

Palae eating your kids and chilling in the reef

[paper oriole]

If youre dragging a body thats like your size or bigger you should be draining a lot of stam anyway, barring maybe a few species

[robust barn]

Compariatively speaking; I can drag my own weight in a limp body of meat several times the length without much issue.

[paper oriole]

Humans have a lot more energy to expend than most animals

Animals just need to drag a body to a safe spot and be done

[robust barn]

Most animals are also a lot stronger.

[paper oriole]

Herrera and cera could have a bit more stamina than others, for example, since herrera could be carrying sole bodies up trees and cera is a corpse bully

[zealous violet]

Oop, sorry didnt realize we were talkin about dragging. I got distracted by facebook memes XD

[paper oriole]

lol

A lot of animals are lower stamina than humans, regardless of sheer strength

[zealous violet]

Anywho- I drug around a beanbag chair/couch thing yesterday (To vacuum the carpet) By my teeth (cuz ive got acrylics on mah nails) and its honestly way easier doing it by your teeth than your hands and not only is the beanbag couch like 3 times my 5 foot size but its was loads easier. And we arnt even meant to do that kind of stuff. So an animal that uses its mouth for most things could easily drag a body at walking speeds for a long time.

[paper oriole]

Theres also the fact that some dinos just have weaker jaws for carrying heavy loads, would be weird to see a utah just effortlessly drag a teno around with its mouth

A bean bag is like idk

A dryo to a utah

Or a hypsi

[robust barn]

That would be the big detail there; Would their jaw endure the weight load?

[paper oriole]

For a human

[zealous violet]

This beanbag couch is really heavyl. I can't lift it with my hands.

[paper oriole]

Like how much is heavy tho

[zealous violet]

Im not saying it should be able to drag it forever, maybe it does use some stamina. but I as a sub carno just drug a dryo body only a few feet and lost all my stamina because of it.

Lemme find a pic real fast.
It took 2 guys to carry it in. But its also hella easy to roll so idk. Lemme google the brand

[paper oriole]

Shape can account a lot for how hard it is to hand hold something

[zealous violet]

Its.. well its shapes like a giant bean XD Two large men and a medium person can fit on it. And theres no handles, hence why I used my teeth. >.> My poor teefs

[robust barn]

Good example of that is a wolf trying to drag deer. I've seen them sit there for a few minutes struggling to get a grip that is strong enough to drag the body, but also not just tear off a piece.

[zealous violet]

Once youve got a good grip tho you can really go for a while. Just hurts afterwords. Maybe your bite force could be reduced for a minute after?

okay, so for regular beanbag chairs, they says its about 4-60 lb. Mine is a large beanbag couch, so im guessing its at least double the weight as that would be 2 chairs in one at best. and I am only 129lb and five feet tall.

[robust barn]

Then you have instances like mountain lions dragging kills into trees.

[zealous violet]

(tbh, I really enjoy when we get all into it like this ^^ Science!)

[robust barn]

I think it's plausible for the game to have better dragging than it does.

[zealous violet]

Or bobcats! Woof, those guys are scary. Ive watched a video of a bobcat taking down an adult deer on its own and dragging it off. it was insane

[paper geyser]

i really like the idea of shrimps being the cleanup detail for corpses in water

[honest sparrow]

Just have compy swim good like the chad it is 💪

[sacred moat]

I saw someone say that piranhas would be a nice addition as a corpse clean up crew for rivers

[dense wagon]

maybe for ocean, but it wouldnt make much sense in a river

[hoary dawn]

basilisk compy better

[warm nexus]

I mean freshwater shrimps exist tho

[paper oriole]

Crayfish too

They will eat off of dead bodies in lakes and stuff

[dense wagon]

not big crowds of them that can devour corpses

[robust barn]

Someone dies in the water and just tens of millions of shirmp explode around the body and devour it in seconds.

[paper oriole]

A dino falls in to the lake and the brine from dragons dogma just consumes them instantly

[karmic plank]

Unless deino hunger gets a serious buff they won't be leaving anything in the water for long lol

@worldly ginkgo press end, then page up page down to change filter to Players

Press N for detailed info

[still sinew]

My buddy can't do little taps to turn /adjusts his dino -- if we taps A or D it's a FULL turn -- anyone know a fix?

[stark dust]

Honestly the pachy human walk is just cursed

[manic flint]

Isnt it supposed to be like a ram

[stark dust]

Still it just ….doesn’t feel right IMO

[manic flint]

Yea

Looks off

[stark dust]

I would prefer if they go for the way bulls charge to each other

[manic flint]

I guess they wanted it to be different from carno

[stark dust]

Or the way primal carnage carno runs/charging

[stark dust]

I suppose but they did it for the worse unsurprisingly

[urban bear]

@stark dust thats a troodon my guy

[still raptor]

@barren zephyr different eating anims will exist for different elevations

[barren zephyr]

its not eating anims only, its being able to facultatively walk bipedally, too

and for teno an alternate slower but more energy conserving bipedal run/trot or whatever would be interesting

[simple prairie]

Why are the baby pachys blueish gray while the adult was a reddish orange? In the trailer

[hoary dawn]

what

[still raptor]

Either because one is female and or the male pattern starts to appear once the pachy hits adult

[stark dust]

just using it as an example

[mellow sphinx]

@full canopy Dude that's crazy, a 2080? Fuuuck

[meager tiger]

15 foot drop? That's a bit rough for a 200 pound untrained human. Now try a 2000 pound dinosaur. Dafuq you mean that's not deadly lol

[lapis tree]

That would cursed as hell

[barren zephyr]

Irl it likely could only run on two legs.

^ was a bipedal animal irl

Keep in mind it's arms could not bear a lot of weight. So it could only move slowly on all fours. Not only that, it's namesake tail was designed to not flop around and instead act as a counterbalance to it's relatively portly body.

It's basically just a jacked up Dryosaurus

[lavish quail]

i didnt think it existed

[barren zephyr]

Too bad it did

[lavish quail]

eh its awesome to play as anyway

[barren zephyr]

Xanderomeister try not be aggressive challenge second 0.1

[pulsar lake]

Lmao

[pulsar lake]

Everyone being like "noooo it was good " meanwhile it was rather..ok'ish I guess?

Like, it was just Pachies doing idle and headbutts kekw.

[paper geyser]

we get it, you're unsatisfied

[pulsar lake]

At least there have been the result of 2 Pachies headbutting each others.

[barren zephyr]

^ this will happen a lot in the isle community btw

[barren zephyr]

I would've liked to have seen more, seeing that we've already seen phase 2 animation showcases.

[pulsar lake]

Same tbh.

[barren zephyr]

We could as well had a greater glimpse into ecology

Disappointing but I suppose it’s better than nothing

[pulsar lake]

Waiting actual Update 4 trailer. Update trailers are better in all ways and even previous animation showcases were.

[barren zephyr]

ja

yeah, the teaser was pretty nice. This is the second week that we are told public testing is really close, so I assume it will come next week?

We can only hope.

[south patio]

Sadly the camera was broken, otherwise we might have seen more of the Pachys.

[swift palm]

then be more specific and dont just say "they should remove fall dmg into the water"

[safe galleon]

[odd sedge]

Too bad the camera broke
Jeremy, the camera man, also broke but at least he's replaceable

[lavish quail]

@bitter timber theres an anticheat

[bitter timber]

yea bro

that'll stop them

[lavish quail]

its better than what warzone has

also ive never seen a hacker like ever

exept legacy

[crude gyro]

All the depictions of teno (outside the isle) have been on all fours. The skeleton itself looks more than capable to run on all four legs

[barren zephyr]

and do depictions have anything to do with scientific papers?

Iguanodonts (hadrosaurs included) could not run on all fours. Their forelimbs were too frail.

Your argument is like saying Deinonychus had pronated hands because it has been depicted with them frequently. But it did not, nor did any other theropod as a matter of fact.

[crude gyro]

Calm down, I'm was simply stating that's how it's been depicted, not that it's accurate. And it's skeleton looks like it could have walked on all fours, but I'm definitely no expert when it comes to dinosaurs lol. Besides, the isle is basically making the dinos up with their real life counterparts as their base. Just look at beipi, it wasn't even aquatic irl (as far as I'm aware)

[barren zephyr]

walked, not ran

I am aware that The Isle's teno is quadrupedal, but having bipedal movement would be interesting as well.

[crude gyro]

Yeah it would be interesting if we could switch between the two movements, kinda like some legacy dinos

Aren't the isles dinos meant to be genetically altered anyway?

[barren zephyr]

yes they are

[paper oriole]

Any herbivore: can actually effectively fight back

“This is op nerf it immediately”

[swift dew]

jeremy is fine, he had a camera so he is practically invincible

[odd sedge]

A broken rip or two has never stopped anyone from working

[bronze frigate]

Are there any estimates as to when night vision is coming?

[hoary dawn]

when its ready

[lavish quail]

update 5.5

so a while away

[bronze frigate]

:/

welp, time to permanently turn up my gamma

[barren zephyr]

(You shouldn’t say this)

[lavish quail]

(its technically allowed)

[barren zephyr]

Still a bad thing to say

[meager tiger]

Aren't herbivore animals more scary sometimes

[tawny juniper]

Hippo

[meager tiger]

Lol

Is that duckzilla gonna be the hippo of the isle

[sacred moat]

@honest sparrow i like the idea

BUT

Megalania should not be a prey item

simply too big

[barren zephyr]

We were leaning toward smaller megalanias and gallis, possibly subs and such

[sacred moat]

the biggest thing I see it taking on with HIGH difficulty would be a velo

[sick pond]

hitting a galli with a headshot as haast would kill it. megalania is a bit of a stretch

[dire peak]

by high difficulty do you mean like, the max size it should take on

[sacred moat]

subs......hmmm im still not sure. I'll agree on juvis and hatchlings

[sick pond]

I mean haast hunted moas irl

[dire peak]

You have to remember that Haast's eagle hunted Moas, some species could grow to 300kg.

[sacred moat]

High difficulty meaning, it can take a velo on but its a very risky prey item

[dire peak]

Its only risky if the Haast is on the ground, and needs to fight it head to head.

[sick pond]

^

[sacred moat]

right

[dire peak]

But eagles can defend their kills from similar sized animals

[barren zephyr]

We were striving for haast to be super weak on land but an absolute powerhouse if played correctly in the air

[sacred moat]

eagles today dont have to deal with ground raptors that travel in packs though

most carnivores that are eagle sized are.......eh

[sick pond]

Whats your point here?

[dire peak]

If Haast is outnumbered it can simply take off and retreat. If its ambushed than tough luck. Same with Pteranodon now.

[sacred moat]

"Megalania should not be a prey item"

was my point

[sick pond]

subs and juvies

[sacred moat]

^subs specifically

im fine with juvis

[sick pond]

why not subs?

megalania wasn't the huge animal that it's portrayed as in popular culture. the isle devs are favoring the realistic maximum size for animals right now, unless that changes for megalania subs are in the feasible size range for haast

[sacred moat]

a sub would be too big for it

and way too much of a risky prey item

[sick pond]

oh shit i didn't realize that you had access to the dev's plan for megalania, can you tell me some more details about it?

[barren zephyr]

Haast was capable of killing 300kg moas, so I don’t think a fresh sub adult mega would be too much trouble, unless the eagle misses its attack

[sacred moat]

yeah, we're done talking here with you

[sick pond]

peace out dude

I just have a problem with people assuming things about unreleased animals that we have no details about and taking it as fact

[barren zephyr]

great haast idea

10/10

Really?

yes

no sarcasm?

no

well, thank you. We’ve been working hard on this

[sacred moat]

an adult megalania was roughly 1,370lbs or a little over 600kgs. so im assuming the subs would be roughly 400 kgs. Ntm the megalania had way more means of defense than a moa

thats my only problem with it hunting them

[barren zephyr]

I think this goes down to if the haast can get a headshot on the mega, I 100% agree even a sub mega should take out haast because it’s only around 20kg. However haast can indeed use ambush tactics to throw it off guard and possibly kill it with its immense headshot multiplier

[sacred moat]

i can meet you on a middle ground of a head shot stunning a sub megalania

[sick pond]

That's just the entire point with haast, a lighter predator that requires player skill and precision to punch above its weight class

[dire peak]

Megalania didnt really grow much larger than 450 kgs

So a sub falls into the size a Haast eagle would take ingame

[barren zephyr]

haast > pela

[sick pond]

also it heavily depends on what it's actual weight will be once it's out

[barren zephyr]

Then again haast hunting subs should be the biggest thing it should take on, haast will focus on killing small tier such as oro, hypsi, Troodon, taco, you know stuff like that.

[sacred moat]

umm where did you get that from?

[sick pond]

conservative estimation of it's weight, what about you?

[barren zephyr]

google search

[sacred moat]

yeah i agree smaller game should be what its mostly focused on

[barren zephyr]

It would also be a great juvie apex killer

A flyer that could regulate the apex population

[dire peak]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/UgtpAGzhRB0odUaLOK6_sUAc6ldR42eD-RbCiXHY6ec/https/i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/9c5634eb4cdb54f50538e8b89eb9fb0f-png.jpg?width=960&height=93

ignore the 1940 kg

[tawny juniper]

haast doesn't really fit the game

[barren zephyr]

explain

[honest sparrow]

How so

[tawny juniper]

Because the game is supposed to be centered around dinosaurus

[sick pond]

well

you see

[barren zephyr]

same thing could be said about deino

[dire peak]

Oh boy

[barren zephyr]

well

[tawny juniper]

Haast is not really a dinosaur

[barren zephyr]

and megalania

[sick pond]

WELL

[barren zephyr]

nor is megalania

and titanoboa

[dire peak]

It really is a dinosaur.

[barren zephyr]

or deino

birds are dinosaurs

or pteranodon

[sick pond]

it technically is

[dire peak]

It literally is a dinosaur. An avian dinosaur, otherwise known as bird.

[barren zephyr]

haast is more related to us than megalania iirc

wait

[tawny juniper]

Something being related to us makes it a dinosaur how?

[sick pond]

megalania, quetz, ptera, and deino actually aren't dinosaurs

[barren zephyr]

noob

[sick pond]

haast is

[dire peak]

Yep

[barren zephyr]

and megalania looks like a long lizard and haast is a bird

Yes

apparently megalania can fit but haast cant

[tawny juniper]

I think you overestimate haast size

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423939730544132096/825809714021269524/image0.jpg

Left is argentavis

[barren zephyr]

what

[tawny juniper]

haast is on right

[barren zephyr]

ok

Well, we are well aware of its size

[sick pond]

is this something you just found in google images

[barren zephyr]

what is your point

[tawny juniper]

That it would be so bad

[barren zephyr]

no you posted it next to an argent

[tawny juniper]

It would just be a flying hypsi basically

[barren zephyr]

explain

[tawny juniper]

it's next to a human aswell

[barren zephyr]

Carter

it hunted humans

Did you even read our doc

[tawny juniper]

no

[barren zephyr]

alright. That explains everything

[tawny juniper]

Also

Roster is capped at 56

No more dinos are coming

[sick pond]

ok

[barren zephyr]

ok

[abstract lark]

remove allo add haast

[barren zephyr]

^

[hoary dawn]

roster is capped as of now,we know in the future after all the current roster is in they plan on doing more

[dire peak]

You seriously underestimate the predatory capabilities of raptors

[sick pond]

@honest sparrow @barren zephyr @dire peak bro we gotta delete the doc no new dinos are coming it's capped at 56 (devs told him)

[tawny juniper]

Remove allo, a dino lots of people like. and add a flying hypsi

[abstract lark]

i definitely was not joking

[barren zephyr]

Damn. 5 days of work gone…

haast on its way to kill a moa

[dire peak]

You do realize that even in real life, Haast's eagle could prey on Moas, that were ten times it's own weight or more.

[barren zephyr]

^ flying hypsi

[hoary dawn]

passive aggressiveness isn't how you prove a point

[tawny juniper]

When I say flying hypsi I mean its size

[abstract lark]

says who

[icy lion]

kissen

[dire peak]

Does this look like a flying hypsi to you

[icy lion]

i believe the quote is in the old #isle-discussion though

[barren zephyr]

superlarry

[abstract lark]

i mean definitely can be subject to change

[tawny juniper]

Alright whatever, so lets say haast does get added, what does it bring to the game other than flying around and killing humans

It isn't very big so not a huge growth timer

[dire peak]

Read the document perhaps?

[tawny juniper]

Maybe 45 minutes

[hoary dawn]

the capped at 56 roster thing is just for the foreseeable future, we know they are gonna do more in the form of dlcs and such

[tawny juniper]

Or give me the rundown

[sick pond]

or just read it instead

[barren zephyr]

or read ot

[dire peak]

No, read it. So you can give proper criticism.

Simple.

[tawny juniper]

nty

[dire peak]

Fair

[barren zephyr]

fair

We’re always in for criticism. We just need actual Criticism instead of “big bird bad”

[abstract lark]

you are asking to understand haast and your idea of it when they have clearly shown a possible outcome and you still refuse to read their idea for haast, make up your own idea, and then refuse to have your idea in game?

[tawny juniper]

I'm not saying "big bird bad", I'm saying assuming it does get added. it isn't big enough to have a long growth timer. and it's gameplay would consist entirely of killing humans and flying

[abstract lark]

read the doc

[barren zephyr]

big hypsi

bruh

pcikel rick

had a good suggestion but accidentally posted it early

[tawny juniper]

For the first 10 minutes of gameplay it is capable of nothing okay

[barren zephyr]

and had to delete it

:C

rip

what was it

it was about creeks

fair

[tawny juniper]

15 minutes into gameplay up until adult the entire gameplay is flying around until you see something small enough to kill, which would consist of anything size of hypsi or smaller

That isn't fun

[barren zephyr]

something lilke this where suchos and spinos could fish without the worry of crocs

[hoary dawn]

i mean you can say that about any canivore, their gameplay consists of killing and moving

[tawny juniper]

So haast can just dive bomb anything then go back up and dive bomb it again and kill it if you click a button

Okay that takes skill

Definitely

[hoary dawn]

what

[barren zephyr]

what

[dire peak]

It wouldnt have infinite stamina, nor does it have many as EXPLAINED in the document.

[sick pond]

by that logic anything that requires good timing doesn't require skill though

[abstract lark]

i wonder how many other dinosaurs are like this

[hoary dawn]

it has just as much risk to it as any predator

[dire peak]

Yea give that a thorough read too

[tawny juniper]

this doesn't say anythign against why that argument would be ludicrous, I understand why it would be but don't say you are going to prove peoples arguments wrong then just not do it

[abstract lark]

tell me why it isnt ludicrous then

[tawny juniper]

Because Utah and velo aren't birds

But don't just say that argument is stupid

give a reason

To me that just looks like you couldn't figure out what was wrong with that so you just want the reader to trust that it is

[abstract lark]

haast is not a clone of utah

[tawny juniper]

Overall review 🤮

[abstract lark]

people have tried to say its a clone

[hoary dawn]

you have yet to bring up a solid point

[barren zephyr]

cuz people said somehow haast is a utah clone

[sick pond]

Just tell us how it's a utah clone then

[barren zephyr]

The fact that haast can fly already invalidates it as a Utah clone

[abstract lark]

how would utah and haast have the same gameplay style

[hoary dawn]

i dont think anyone is saying its a utah clone here

[sick pond]

I mean it's obvious to nearly everyone that the clone argument is an obtuse comparison because they needed some reason to dislike the haast idea

[hoary dawn]

carter was just pointing out how you didn't explain why its not in the doc (even though it doesn't really need any)

[dire peak]

It is a ludicrous 'arguement' because there are literally no similarities between the animals. Haast can fly, it doesnt rely on teamwork to bring down large prey, and doesnt actually 'pounces' larger animals, as explained in the document. Similar sized animals are pretty much killed instantly and are picked up.

[tawny juniper]

^ if you're going to include it at all at least give a reason that makes it look like you know what you're talking about

[dire peak]

Hi

[barren zephyr]

hi

[tawny juniper]

Your doc literally says for the first ten minutes of it's life it can't fly

[dire peak]

Yes but it also says something else

[tawny juniper]

And being as big as it is it definitely can't kill things either

[barren zephyr]

what

did yoy see the size chart

[abstract lark]

he means when its a juvi

[hoary dawn]

its a scavenger when it's too small to fly

not even baby carnivore is capable of hunting effectively