Its a favoritism bias
#general-feedback-discussion
limber hull
Allo always seems to me like the basic dino. Even tho its not in, I see it as really just a everything dino
urban flax
I see Allo as a very big raptor gameplay-wise
barren zephyr
Allo always seems to me like the basic dino. Even tho its not in, I see it as re...
yes
allo "generic theropod"
sonic cloud
I mean yeah, if you ignore the fact that Utah is already the base playable. Allo makes more sense as the “base” playable
still raptor
You shouldn’t base creatures of others but have a general idea of balancing it off of their innate ability to do things. Thats when you get creatures that are naturally better than others. Seems what the devs are doing balance wise.
Like you’ll get Allo that will succeed at doing more things than lets say, Carno
And this is where niches come in
barren zephyr
And this is where niches come in
yes
barren zephyr
Except Magy. It has no useful niche
valid zephyr
I basically see allo as 'the' mid tier carnivore. Essentially the centre of the entire roster.
lavish quail
Except Magy. It has no useful niche
Magy is a chad of a dino
@wanton hull The grapple for Cerato will be unique to it and will be used for slowing and dragging other creatures + the base creature concept is its weight and realistic bight force
wanton hull
But given it generic design why wouldn’t acro or rex also get a grapple
U seem to not understand guess i was expecting too much
Why keep it?
U can tell me what u understood from the suggestion. In suspecting people have the wrong idea
I was more thinking of the teno for the carnivores.
lavish quail
But given it generic design why wouldn’t acro or rex also get a grapple
cera is a bulky but small carnivore
so i imagine not
wanton hull
Rex and acro start off small why not?
wanton hull
So seems cera 
lavish quail
ceras job is to eat bodies left behind and kill small prey
or in packs
to slow down and kill large predators
wanton hull
Im just hope it’s not going to be a slow carno with grapple
lavish quail
the game makes each dino unique
wanton hull
Kinda want a brawler thats good in CQB
lavish quail
so most likely it will for instance pack in groups of 2
one slowing down prey
and one biting it
still raptor
I personally want a cannibal bleeder small tier bully thats also opportunistic amongst putrid corpses. Can also scavenge.
lavish quail
but cerato is so cool
atleast give it a mating boost
so when your with the opposite gender you get more stam or smthn
so grouping isn't encouraged but not avoided
swift atlas
being cannibal dont justify someone killing same specie. At legacy everyone is cannibal and people dont usually kill same specie
swift atlas
i think he is to big to be a scavenger kk
still raptor
It is
lavish quail
he can eat rotten corpses right?
lavish quail
so he gets free food from scavenging
still raptor
Anything that is dead gives free food
swift atlas
we need to have this mechanic to bring sense to it
still raptor
Yes
swift atlas
idk
still raptor
we need to have this mechanic to bring sense to it
One word, diets
swift atlas
sounds good
that was something i was a little confused
how diets would work to carns
but now it make more sense
considering rotten meat and etc
lavish quail
deino cannibalism shouldnt be encouraged tbh
swift atlas
i think deino need something to spread specie out
lavish quail
its acceptable but not like good
swift atlas
i can't be staket
cannibalism i think would help people avoid being so close
it can't*
lavish quail
i feel like it shouldnt be depending on cannibalism for diets
more like nudged towards it
swift atlas
oh, but i think cannibalism need to be last resource
usually animals that does that, lives in a really bad situation
lavish quail
not last resort i wouldnt think so
swift atlas
and need to do that to survive
lavish quail
i better map will solve that tbh
swift atlas
a better map?
kind schooner
Anyone know why on Evrima im not able to invite someone to a group?
swift atlas
Anyone know why on Evrima im not able to invite someone to a group?
u need to use sound "2" close to the people
hold the button 2
then it will work
now u need to hold a bit
kind schooner
oh, thank you, didnt realise you needed to hold
swift atlas
oh, thank you, didnt realise you needed to hold
they changed it, it's kind new
still raptor
@vague scarab coming next update
vague scarab
<@456550872663719936> coming next update
they always one step ahead of me lol
lavish quail
diets fractues
karmic plank
?
Who could possibly know? Maybe suggest they add some channels to discord where they can show it
Maybe something like #announcements
Probably no point though, people won't bother checking them anyway
swift atlas
Who could possibly know? Maybe suggest they add some channels to discord where t...
i just asked cause the guy pinned BigBear here lol
vague scarab
Who could possibly know? Maybe suggest they add some channels to discord where t...
damn bro, who hurt you, its only morning
karmic plank
lol it's very late at night here
vague scarab
then go sleep, looks like ur sleep deprived
karmic plank
Oh absolutely, but it's never too late for sarcasm
'tis the highest form of wit, or something
swift atlas
but here is the general feedback, mine is not too good to you, my friend 😛
i would like to see the new APEX models haha
just like the Spino little video
karmic plank
I mean when you come up with an idea and the answer is "yeah that's happening" it's a bit of a complement
vague scarab
spino would fit on evrima cuz the maps relies on water and land which is wut the spino lived in
vague scarab
I mean when you come up with an idea and the answer is "yeah that's happening" i...
and how so
karmic plank
spino would fit on evrima cuz the maps relies on water and land which is wut the...
Most people are pretty against stacking apex dinos at this point in the game
swift atlas
The Isle spino is more like a truely APEX then a fish guy
swift atlas
Most people are pretty against stacking apex dinos at this point in the game
they can create mechanisms to hold population, but i think options must be there
karmic plank
There's a pretty long list of things that are planned ahead of spino
vague scarab
The Isle spino is more like a truely APEX then a fish guy
since theyre adding sea creatures, (i assume cuz of all the ocean and beach pics they sending) i feel like hes coming with em
swift atlas
There's a pretty long list of things that are planned ahead of spino
i agree, i prefer a solid and rich game then APEX first
karmic plank
since theyre adding sea creatures, (i assume cuz of all the ocean and beach pics...
The roadmap for the next few years is in discord if you want to look through it, and it links out to trello for even more detail
vague scarab
The roadmap for the next few years is in discord if you want to look through it,...
ye ive been keeping a close eye on the trello roadmap
karmic plank
I doubt there will be any big surprises but who knows, maybe Santa has something big and spikey in his sack for you this year
swift atlas
do you guys know where people found that Spino new model?
i know there a video with the running mechanics, but i just saw another pic
this
vague scarab
maybe its fan made? idk
vague scarab
oh ok
all i know is that they sometimes drop models in the information channels
but i havent seen a spino
vague scarab
it looks to be a gif
swift atlas
i would like to know where guys found/saw it haha
vague scarab
i think its fan made. there are many talented fans, and someone maybe want to become a dev for the isle, so he made this
still raptor
Spino is still adapted for aquatics
Its skull is adapted for fishing even though it still may be more robust
vague scarab
Its skull is adapted for fishing even though it still may be more robust
it mainly fished irl, but was well adapted for fighting
swift atlas
Spino is still adapted for aquatics
yeah, still a little bit, but looks much more like a APEX haha
at least this model does it. idk if this is official
still raptor
It is
vague scarab
basically if the spino gets added, then the deino wont be the only thing making u shit urself when drinking
still raptor
The model is isle spino
strange wave
the animation isnt
it is
just wip and old
swift atlas
rex, giga...
swift atlas
it is
just wip and old
but i liked it. A lot better then Legacy
strange wave
but i liked it. A lot better then Legacy
the animation is wip
that model is staying
giga also has a new model
lavish quail
giga also has a new model
idk why they're bringing giga back
strange wave
and rex has the same model
lavish quail
it will just be a rex clone
strange wave
idk why they're bringing giga back
because its a beloved playable?
lavish quail
because its a beloved playable?
its not
strange wave
it will just be a rex clone
yes
and spino is also a rex clone
as it utah
and allo
swift atlas
the animation is wip
that model is staying
hmm, got it. But i liked the running animatrion, hope the do even better
lavish quail
it was the weakest apex
strange wave
and deino
lavish quail
and it took so much
strange wave
it was the weakest apex
in....
legacy
which the developers arent basing anything on
lavish quail
just to lose to someone
lavish quail
in....
legacy
which the developers arent basing anything on
yeah but giga will be a clone of somethinggg
strange wave
yeah but giga will be a clone of somethinggg
it wont
lavish quail
i want spino firsttt
vestal rune
giga will be a clone of giga
lavish quail
and rexx
vestal rune
I want a million dollars
swift atlas
and rex has the same model
looks like the head looks thinner
strange wave
chances are we get rex first
strange wave
looks like the head looks thinner
its not
lavish quail
rex ai first?
strange wave
yes
then probably playable, first, in like a year or 2 when apexes are being worked on
swift atlas
it was the weakest apex
Giga from legacy are far from what it should be, he is MUCH bigger then Rex
strange wave
Giga from legacy are far from what it should be, he is MUCH bigger then Rex
it isnt
lavish quail
Giga from legacy are far from what it should be, he is MUCH bigger then Rex
its not
its like slightly smaller
unnoticable
ark made it massive tho ---
lavish quail
in weight its slightly larger and in length is about the same
strange wave
giga will be smaller than rex
because giga is smaller than rex
in legacy giga weighed more
swift atlas
searching on net Giga looks much bigger in weight
swift atlas
giga comes close but is smaller
but talking in gameplay way, giga is faster and heaviest, so he is tanky
vestal rune
but talking in gameplay way, giga is faster and heaviest, so he is tanky
in legacy yes, but in evrima they're following more accurate sizing, so rex will most likely be bigger
swift atlas
in legacy yes, but in evrima they're following more accurate sizing, so rex will...
i using as base some search i did on internet. They are close in size but Giga is bigger in length and weight.
vestal rune
i using as base some search i did on internet. They are close in size but Giga i...
I believe giga is longer, but rex weighs more
swift atlas
I believe giga is longer, but rex weighs more
i did some search, it's what i read
vestal rune
well it was probably wrong, information gets outdated
swift atlas
but i think in gameplay, will be like this = Rex big bite and strong / giga tanky and faster
swift atlas
well it was probably wrong, information gets outdated
yeah, would need to read some book haha
vestal rune
ye trust me, modern consensus is that rex reached larger sizes, you can ask #paleotalk if you want
rex will have more health, but it's possible giga will have an armour mechanic?
swift atlas
ye trust me, modern consensus is that rex reached larger sizes, you can ask <#40...
cool, i will
still raptor
Rex was estimated to be 10t
tepid gate
Giga wasn't the weakest apex in the legacy. True, it faired against most other apexes worse than Rex did but at the same time it was capable of hunting Cama(which was actually a death sentence to a Rex if it was determined enough to chase one down to kill it) and faired far better against smaller animals than Rex did.
Rex was basically the best dueling animal in the game but it had other weaknesses that Giga had covered.
solar quarry
It's all speculative. For the balance sake they can add/subtract couple tons and it would still be realistic.
tepid gate
In reality Giganotosaurus is estimated to be slightly longer but somewhat lighter than T.rex. Giganotosaurus' largest estimate goes up to 8.3t whilst the highest estimate of T.rex goes close to 10t.
The two animals have a couple of different things going for themselves though.
According to a study from 2005 Giganotosaurus was less capable of withstanding torsional stress to its jaws, meaning that it wouldn't want to grab a hold of something and shake it the way Rex would do, instead however it was theorised to be capable of snapping its jaws shut faster than Tyrannosaurus would.@swift atlas
At the same time they also have vastly different teeth
Tyrannosaurus teeth are more banana-shaped. They are more robust than those of a Giganotusaurus because they have to resist the stress of clamping down on its prey item and wrestling it down.
Meanwhile Giga has thinner, more blade-like teeth that are serrated which work in a manner similar to a giant saw "cutting out" the flesh of its prey.
The teeth of Tyrannosaurus are also serrated however those serrations might be generally vestigial in the adult individuals
This is why Giganotosaurus is considered to be the apex of the "bleeders" - it's based more around bleeding its prey item to death rather than killing it with raw damage. This also plays into the potential prey items the two would be hunting - Tyrannosaurus coexisted with heavily armoured herbivorous dinosaurs like ceratopsids and thyreophorans(Triceratops and Ankylosaurus). It would fare far better against those armoured animals as it's actually capable of clamping its jaws around them and wrestling them down.
Meanwhile Giganotosaurus(imo) shouldn't be going for such targets, instead utilising bleed to kill larger animals like the sauropods or Shant which are generally too large for Rex to just wrestle down due to their colossal size advantage.
@swift atlasHopefully this is enough of an explanation as to how these two could possibly be made different enough in terms of playstyle.
swift atlas
wonderful explanations
i think it follows the legacy idea, but in size way i hope they make it more accurate, making Rex and Giga bigger comparing to what we have at legacy.
lavish quail
tepid gate
I think they were pretty accurate in terms of their sizes in the legacy.
Admittedly I think both of them weren't necessarily based off of their largest specimens but I'm not entirely sure.
If you're talking about their mass being inaccurate there then don't pay it any attention, it was a stat that affected the way the damage was calculated and it was completely artificial to bridge the gap between the mid tiers and the apexes.
If the weights were accurate both Giga and Rex would've been completely untouchable to the smaller predators.
icy lion
an addition to an already overloaded kit
strange wave
because troodon doesnt need to be an omnivore
it has a basic venom
let the venom be basic
barren zephyr
because troodon doesnt need to be an omnivore
it has a basic venom
let the venom...
We don’t need troodon, it doesn’t exist
urban flax
Damn it
Why can't people understand that a random chance of looking shit when spawning is a bad idea ?
barren zephyr
So whats the dev process going to look like when all core mechanics have been implemented? What animals do you guys forsee taking a significant amount of TLC to develop where their implementation into the game can delay an update? After core mechanics are implemented, whats a good "guesstimate" of the amount of Updates we can expect per year?
urban flax
So whats the dev process going to look like when all core mechanics have been im...
I think once all mechanics are in, we can hope to get one dino a month. As for an example of playable that would delay an update, definitely titanoboa.
swift atlas
So whats the dev process going to look like when all core mechanics have been im...
75, the number of reptiles
silver zephyr
Only 56 playables are confirmed not 75
opal pecan
Are we going to get giant sea turtles(archelon) in the aquatic update?
swift atlas
Only 56 playables are confirmed not 75
haha idk, i heard about 75
silver zephyr
Are we going to get giant sea turtles(archelon) in the aquatic update?
What aquatic update?
opal pecan
What aquatic update?
I heard they're adding aquatic stuff like the mosasaur, the Meg, more fish for food and an aquatic environment at evirma.
urban flax
An aquatic dlc was debated some time ago, but it was not confirmed and won't be coming until the game is fully released
opal pecan
An aquatic dlc was debated some time ago, but it was not confirmed and won't be ...
Hmmm ok ty but just imagine giant turtles
urban flax
Hmmm ok ty but just imagine giant turtles
meh
tidal hill
hey guys how is everybody doing? Just a question, when the sauropods come will they be able to hit both high and medium trees? Also bushes?
urban flax
hey guys how is everybody doing? Just a question, when the sauropods come will t...
Probably
Tho we don't know yet
tidal hill
Probably
Tho we don't know yet
👊
karmic grove
I have a question that has probably been answered a million times, but will all species have nesting abilities eventually?
ivory summit
What is the meaning behind nesting i dont know it
paper oriole
“How DARE I be punished for failing my special offensive ability, i should be able to pounce blindfolded and miss with 0 repercussions!”
tired tiger
ok
swift dew
“How DARE I be punished for failing my special offensive ability, i should be ab...
"my special offensive ability that is some free damage because new dismount"*
paper oriole
“My special ability that teleports me to my target's side 90% of the time if i accidentally pounce their face or tail”
swift dew
“My special ability that teleports me to my target's side 90% of the time if i a...
forgot about that part 
bright bay
What happened to the fishes of Evrima? While playing deino they dont make bubbles anymore, while playing ptera, there's no little fish on anywhere
paper oriole
i think their spawns are bugged
karmic plank
Best I can tell schooling fish are part of the AI spawning system now, but for whatever reason only spawn when the server is at the AI cap (or all AI are dormant)
paper oriole
i think the fast/slow eating could work for anybody, a small dino like ovi raiding a nest or competing herbis could benefit from it
maybe there's an ai priority system in place and fish are minimum priority for some reason
karmic plank
I felt like it might be annoying or abusable for herbivores
paper oriole
i can see there being a need for ai priority in the futur ebut if its whats going on rn it aint doing so well
karmic plank
Schooling fish weren't technically AI before, they were just like animated food bushes with a hitbox
paper oriole
yeah they were like resource nodes
so idk why they changed it the only issue before was they were too clustered in some areas and nonexistent in others, why not just redistribute the nodes?
unless it's a lot more complex than that
karmic plank
Could be, hard to know from the outside
cyan flame
@karmic plankDon't forget the herbis!
karmic plank
I actually thought about them but wouldn't it be annoying/abusable?
Like you are in a teno group and yelling at others for fast eating and wasting the bush
cyan flame
Wouldn't the same apply to a carni group? Someone stuffing their face and not sharing, if that's how you mean? But I'm thinking more so having a juvie eat quick to dip and hide, or competition. After all, teno runs up to food and gulps it down before the very angry stego swipes at it? Or just a potential sub doing so if they're faster than the adult.
cyan flame
... What? :p
civic bloom
i saw another suggestion for piss and shit mechanics in #general-feedback earlier
karmic plank
Wouldn't the same apply to a carni group? Someone stuffing their face and not sh...
Fair point. Stego quick eating they just rip the bush out of the ground and stuff their face into it
silver zephyr
i saw another suggestion for piss and shit mechanics in <#401481371249541120> ea...
why suggest something thats already confirmed? 
cyan flame
Fair point. Stego quick eating they just rip the bush out of the ground and stuf...
Competition is an argument for both sides at the very least. Having a juvie eat quick to hide/get protection is also viable for both sides I think. Not quite sure on what you mean with wasting the bush, vs wasting a corpse? Couldn't you abuse/annoy your packmates the same way?
karmic plank
**can people stop suggesting poop and piss mechanics for fuck-**
Tenos can't tbag, at least give us the ability to piss on the carno we just killed 
karmic plank
Competition is an argument for both sides at the very least. Having a juvie eat ...
Yeah, but I feel like corpses come with some inherent urgency... Bushes are usually a more casual affair
civic bloom
Tenos can't tbag, at least give us the ability to piss on the carno we just kill...
NO. DISGUSTING
cyan flame
Yeah, but I feel like corpses come with some inherent urgency... Bushes are usua...
For now at least. I imagine it might be less casual the moment we get diets. Or like the great bush no-respawn period. I can promise you herbis can absolutely feel the need to care about their food given the right circumstances.
civic bloom
why suggest something thats already confirmed? <:trollgedespair:8704840485548852...
dont remind me
karmic plank
For now at least. I imagine it might be less casual the moment we get diets. Or ...
True. It's interesting how stego are getting sick of tenos because of them cleaning up bushes before they can get to them
cyan flame
:D
Carnis might get a bit more out of it in general, but I can absolutely see a few situations where herbis would appreciate it too. So I don't think it's a bad idea that them, and omnis for that matter, can do it as well. Could even go for drinking, if you want to add distance to the deino radar.
Or just for someone wanting to hunt around water sources.
karmic plank
Mmm, controls are a bit less intuitive though
cyan flame
Hm?
bold palm
dang people in this community are not too bright, no offense.
icy lion
dang people in this community are not too bright, no offense.
be civil.
karmic plank
Hm?
I think people would understand short press and long press with food but maybe not so much with drinking
Also, arguably drinking times are a core balancing mechanism for deino, not sure how throwing fast and slow drinking in would change that
But yeah you are probably right, I could see people wanting to have sneaky sips in bushes without alerting deino nearby
hoary dawn
dang people in this community are not too bright, no offense.
didn't you want carnivores to get hunger from drinking
cyan flame
I think people would understand short press and long press with food but maybe n...
Oh. Was confused there. Yeah, the idea would be that drink fast = lots of noise for terrestial predators + a longer distance/bigger notice for the deino radar, so if there's a deino nearby, it'd see you a lot easier. Wouldn't catch you that time perhaps, but now it got a clear idea that "Ah, there's someone, possibly more of them, in this area... might be worth sticking around". Sort of putting yourself at risk longer with slower/quieter drinks, vs letting everyone know you're around, putting you at greater risk for the next time you might need water or just letting the predators know that "yes, there is indeed prey in this area at this point in time".
But yeah, more so useful for food, and on that count, I think it would be useful for everyone, carni, herbi and omni. There's always competition, there's always circumstances where you might want to eat quickly and bail out, and I'm still not sure how it would be more abusable as herbi vs carni. Where's the difference between wasting a bush vs wasting a corpse?
karmic plank
I mean, I can't really bring up a good argument beyond bushes feel like a shared resource while corpses - presumably one's you were part of killing - feel like owned resources which can be stolen
paper oriole
didn't you want carnivores to get hunger from drinking
He also wanted sucho and allo in update 4 lmao
karmic plank
Also messy and neat eating makes sense to me for eating a corpse, where eating a bush it doesn't feel as significant. I guess you could scatter leaves or branches around instead of carefully stripping them from each branch
paper oriole
And for ptera to gave a pounce like mechanic
paper oriole
Also messy and neat eating makes sense to me for eating a corpse, where eating a...
Rushing eating a plant could also eat parts of the plant that arent a part of your diet for some herbis, while slow eating picks through the specific parts
cyan flame
Cerato bullying others from a corpse and eating it before they bring backup! But I mean, I can get how you feel, but I do think it's about time to think of bushes as your own vs shared as well. Especially with the whole "eating one part destroys the whole" and all that.
paper oriole
Like a frugivore accidentally scarfing some leaves
cloud hollow
Just add one more 0 in deino bite force
paper oriole
Just add one more 0 in deino bite force
feral solstice
No
barren zephyr
didn't you want carnivores to get hunger from drinking
LMFAO WHAT???
hoary dawn
He also wanted sucho and allo in update 4 lmao
and suggested tarbo
cloud hollow
and suggested tarbo
Turbo? Sututututu
hoary dawn
LMFAO WHAT???
cyan flame
@karmic plankI think of it more as fast/slow eating rather than messy/neat. It's more you trying to shove it down as fast as possible, getting less nutrients but better than getting none vs eating slowly and getting more nutrients out of it maybe.
barren zephyr
https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/8796719504300...
I won't say anything because this is just beyond me
karmic plank
People have made their point through reactions, we don't need to keep flame baiting @barren zephyr @hoary dawn
I've made my fair share of suggestions people have shat on, let's just leave them be
barren zephyr
This is not flamebaiting.
karmic plank
I feel like when suggestions keep being brought up just to talk about how bad they are, that's the only real outcome. Might not be tagging the author, but it's not like any discussion needs to happen
barren zephyr
If you make a comment about how "bright" are we,and then you have one of the dumbest suggestion that was made, expect reactions. I don't want to go further into this.
karmic plank
Regardless, it's not value add. Let's move on.
dense wagon
this mud texture is stinky
barren zephyr
Choco stego
karmic plank
<@!117186041248481283>I think of it more as fast/slow eating rather than messy/n...
I guess eating fast as a herbivore means not chewing properly, assuming they are not ruminants
karmic plank
Choco stego
Baby wallowed stego legit look like little chocolate lollies haha
cyan flame
Baby wallowed stego legit look like little chocolate lollies haha
They're adorable!
meager tiger
Would it be a bad idea if you fast eat you can choke and lose health? lol
or do only humans choke
karmic plank
Would it be a bad idea if you fast eat you can choke and lose health? lol
Well my dog does if he's hungry enough haha
But it's not really a threat to his health, he just hurks and spits it up
meager tiger
so animals dont die from choking
karmic plank
Um, I don't think so usually. Dogs and cats can choke on bones
So it might make sense as a mechanism for carnivores, but I don't think people would appreciate like a 1 in 100 chance of just dieing when fast eating
Though it would be hilarious if you burped after fast eating to 100%
paper oriole
Isnt burping kind of a mammal thing tho
meager tiger
would it be practical too add a grazing mechanic like you eat a shit ton of grass and you burp it up from your stomach and eat it some more. Like a storage tank of food inside of you. And you can eat rocks for more food efficency
barren zephyr
@unreal ridge the problem is if the utah pouncing on water utah will die cuz it can just drown it lmao by going underwater
unreal ridge
thats why utahs who are smart
dont pounce deinos in the water
but when utahs go in water while pouncing
they instantly detach
karmic plank
would it be practical too add a grazing mechanic like you eat a shit ton of gras...
Well that would be realistic, cows burp a ton from bacteria breaking down grasses
That is assuming that cows have the closest analogue for herbivore digestive systems, and not horses, which typically expel excess methane at the other end
Which is typical of lizards too from a quick google
karmic plank
dont pounce deinos in the water
I feel like the second half of this sentence is a bit redundant haha
I've bled out deino as Utah but they always die in the water where you can't get them
So it hardly feels worth it
unreal ridge
although utah should have a way to push back adult deinos back into the water
like all they can do is bite the tail
and pray to RNGesus that lag doesnt get them killed
utah would mostly use this i would think to defend kills
while deino tries to carry it away
hop on their back and start clawing away
karmic plank
The main issue with pouncing deino is reliably hitting them because of their short hitbox (and Utah can't really aim pounce)
unreal ridge
yeah
karmic plank
And you can't pounce from point blank either, since that just bugs you out the other side
unreal ridge
i like the fact that utah can start a pounce for anywhere
from jumping or falling
jumping down onto a deino might work
karmic plank
Yeah, leaping down from a tree or cliff is a very satisfying
unreal ridge
plus most large deino packs can trap utahs up on high rocks so it wouldnt be the strangest thing
karmic plank
It would be nice to get more controls for aiming pounces, I'm assuming it will happen when slot pouncing is reworked
unreal ridge
also aiming where to get off a pounce from
for pouncing deino you would have to get off pretty far since alt bite and lunge go decently far
tired tiger
@jade schooner this is seen in modern day birds and seen in jurrasic world the movie so it makes a lot of sense
unreal ridge
when the map gets larger and stuff i want pteranodons to actually you know swim
since i guess they would've been like modern seagulls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8vaFl6J87s dive straight into the water grab a fish and then fly off
karmic plank
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8vaFl6J87s dive straight into the water grab a ...
This has been discussed before, I personally don't think ptera are are equipped to be good enough swimmers to do water launches
Unless they add at minimum hydrophobic feathers, or some sort of air sac to them
vague scarab
maybe theyll add other birds who do that
karmic plank
And even then they don't have the sort of webbed feet needed to get up and out of the water
As far as I know only ptera and quetz are planned as proper flyers at this stage
vague scarab
bro but quetz would be scary af
unreal ridge
their wings act more like webbed feet so they are thought to be pretty good swimmers im pretty sure
vague scarab
like its fuckin enormous
zealous violet
giraffe sized
Small giraffe
vague scarab
can they pick up dinos and throw em like seagulls?
zealous violet
I saw a fossil at the local museum. They are scary and big. lemme see if I can find the pic
karmic plank
their wings act more like webbed feet so they are thought to be pretty good swim...
Long wings are pretty poor for swimming, far too much drag. Diving birds either have short wings or are able to tuck their wings tight against their body
unreal ridge
karmic plank
Most birds tuck their wings in flat and swim with their feet, ptera can't do that
unreal ridge
we still dont know that pteranodon could take off from the water but its pretty likely
thats why they went with skimming
karmic plank
I would be pretty confident in saying ptera could not water launch
They just aren't physically set up for it
Aero engineer BTW
zealous violet
That pic is both, exaggerated and the guy is in the background and the bird in the foreground to make it look bigger. Tho I do believe they were able to get very big. Perhaps the fossil was of a younger one
thats a pick you up and swallow you whole kind of nightmare bird
karmic plank
That pic is both, exaggerated and the guy is in the background and the bird in t...
I think that's actually about right for the largest quetz
zealous violet
-shrug- Perhaps
unreal ridge
alright so this might be a stupid idea but what if pteranodon started to flap its wings to try and lift maybe its chest up then started to use it hind legs to push water back kinda almost trying to run on water till perhaps it can create enough lift to get off the water
its a stupid idea
karmic plank
vague scarab
how tf they keep their head up? the beak is so big
karmic plank
alright so this might be a stupid idea but what if pteranodon started to flap it...
This idea - getting proud of the water with your feet and flapping up - is how most Seabirds get airborne, but they have proper underlung webbed feet and heaps of buoyancy via air trapped in their feathers
Ptera has neither of these things
hoary dawn
@zealous violet pteras dont fall from the sky on 0 stam tho?
karmic plank
It would be no more capable of getting its upper body out of the water to flap than you would be
karmic plank
<@!509222498680832011> pteras dont fall from the sky on 0 stam tho?
No, they can glide
hoary dawn
yea
honest sparrow
I haven’t played the isle in a while, but they don’t fall out the sky
hoary dawn
latest suggestion implies otherwise
unreal ridge
i dont think many ptera mains would use the ocean to fish
honest sparrow
Why wouldn’t they
honest sparrow
Walls, famous for being in the ocean
unreal ridge
the big ass cliffs/island things they wanted to add you absolute gargoyle
honest sparrow
It’s really not even that hard, your even more isolated, unless they have to dive for fish in the ocean, it’s just be skimming in a different area
hoary dawn
It’s really not even that hard, your even more isolated, unless they have to div...
you absolute gargoyle
karmic plank
Regarding water launches, ptera would be even worse than eagles: https://youtu.be/mq8yYum41R4
tired tiger
@zealous violet they already glide
honest sparrow
the big ass cliffs/island things they wanted to add you absolute gargoyle
These cannot be landed on normally
hoary dawn
ptera is already confirmed to have a wall cling ability later on
karmic plank
unless they get the wall climbing ability
They are confirmed as getting wall clinging and possibly climbing
unreal ridge
i heard people discussing if pteranodon was gonna be able to cling to walls like a goddamn bat
alright so maybe pteranodon has a better shot at ocean life than i thought
honest sparrow
Climbing and clinging for Ptera is stupid but the devs want it so
karmic plank
I believe they will be using their wing claws rather than their feet, though
karmic plank
Climbing and clinging for Ptera is stupid but the devs want it so
I'm inclined to agree but it will be good for gameplay, probably
unreal ridge
i still think the water take off would be better but , idk i guess we should do SOME realism in the isle
honest sparrow
I'm inclined to agree but it will be good for gameplay, probably
Why would it be good for gameplay, why make Ptera just be able to chill out in even more unreachable spots where other creatures flat out cannot land, that also adds nothing to its playstyle
hoary dawn
ptera cling is dumb either way, should've been reserved for a flyer that could actually have a climbing niche cough tupa cough, but since we aren't getting one having it for ptera is the next best thing
karmic plank
Part of the reason why ptera swim so badly is that water touchdowns are pretty much the only time they are vulnerable
unreal ridge
ptera is gonna be so fragile when bone breaking comes out
karmic plank
Why would it be good for gameplay, why make Ptera just be able to chill out in e...
Wall clinging will cost stam, so it's not like sitting on a rock somewhere. My impression is they will be trading many of the super safe rocks for wall clinging spots
honest sparrow
Wall clinging will cost stam, so it's not like sitting on a rock somewhere. My i...
It takes stam? To maintain or just to initiate the thing
karmic plank
I believe to maintain
hoary dawn
idk if it is gonna work like that
unreal ridge
lol
imagine walking into a cave and some pteras fly out
clinging to the sides like bats
honest sparrow
If you’re actively losing stam just to sit in a stationary spot that’s out of reach, instead of, idk, actively losing stam while doing shit Ptera was designed to do (fly)
Why would I ever do that, it’s not even like Ptera is even that hard to hide in cover
karmic plank
It may only cost stamina to actively climb rather than cling, it's not clear
hoary dawn
i'd look for information on what ptera cling will be like but it seems years worth of dev quotes are still deleted from existence :)
karmic plank
If it was me cling would not cost stamina but you would get reduced regen compared to standing
hoary dawn
that would make more sense
honest sparrow
I still really don’t like clinging overall, but if they can somehow make it worth using without being annoying to deal with, I’ll deal with it
hoary dawn
in the distant future
unreal ridge
i feel like more players would prefer a water takeoff than wall climbing
when aquatics come
hoary dawn
unreal ridge
maybe not
vague scarab
when are aquatics planned, and wut dinos do it bring
karmic plank
In theory quetz or ptera could do breaching launches, but they are pretty keen on everything having a gimmick or unique ability
icy lion
when are aquatics planned, and wut dinos do it bring
never and none, unless its a dlc
karmic plank
So ptera has cling, quetz may get diving and breaching
But I've not heard anything official supporting that
karmic plank
never and none, unless its a dlc
Clarify? Is deino not an aquatic?
icy lion
i havent heard of quetz getting anything about water
icy lion
Clarify? Is deino not an aquatic?
deino is semiaquatic as it can go on land. theyre asking about truly water-bound creatures
vague scarab
what are the quetz gonna breach? dino made doors?
unreal ridge
they are gonna breach something else if you catch my drift
karmic plank
what are the quetz gonna breach? dino made doors?
As in building up speed underwater to get air
Like dolphins and whales do
icy lion
i highly doubt quetz will have any sort of water inclination
karmic plank
Me too.
icy lion
also relevant quote
karmic plank
Sounds perfectly justified and expected
Underwater would basically be isolated from the land world, it almost doesn't even need to be in the same server
vague scarab
Underwater would basically be isolated from the land world, it almost doesn't ev...
tru, but it would be kool to hav both
karmic plank
Why have two discrete biomes jammed into the same instance when less than 10% of the roster can I teraxt with both
vague scarab
unless everyone either plays only ocean or only land
then carnivores on land will be hungry
karmic plank
Yeah, but at that point make it a different edition of the game on different servers as DLC
tired tiger
i think ptera should have a dive into water to catch fish in sea like modern sea birds today it is also seen in jurrasic world the movie
karmic plank
We have lots of underwater games out or coming out atm between subnautica and Grow and Feed
Maneater
regal elm
I hope that now that the devs have proved they can animate feathers, they give more things feathers
feral solstice
Lmao this feedback
karmic plank
Feathers themselves aren't that hard, but a lot of the tertiary stuff like wallowing and injuries are really annoying to get working with them
Hence why hypsi doesn't get muddy or bloody
lone kite
@zealous violet they do glide to the ground currently
paper oriole
Only way you’ll crash land with no stam is if you don’t brake or you smash in to something and you deserve to crash land in both scenarios lol
lone kite
yes the only way to crash is via bad flying which is somthing to improve and get better at
zealous violet
<@!509222498680832011> they do glide to the ground currently
Not if they are out of stam. they just fall to their death.
karmic plank
Literally never
hoary dawn
if you run out of stam mid-flight you just lose the ability to gain altitude, you keep gliding until you reach the ground
karmic plank
If you crash you can't recover and start flying again
zealous violet
Not if you accidently hit something, like another bird. Then youll just fall.
hoary dawn
if you crash, then yes you fall
karmic plank
Well yes, then you crashed and rightfully fall to your doom
hoary dawn
but that's supposed to happen
odd sedge
Not if you accidently hit something, like another bird. Then youll just fall.
Well that's that point of crashing
zealous violet
You cant even try to regain yourself or glide out of it.
karmic plank
Correct, because you crashed
hoary dawn
if you crash into something on 0 stam then that's your fault
karmic plank
Not like it isn't realistic
zealous violet
It shouldnt be. Ptera is so bloody weak already and it doesnt make sense for a winged creature to just straight up all out of the sky. Not unless it crashed hard enough to knock it out, in which case some sort of indentifyer would be nice
hoary dawn
being able to recover from crashing is an action that takes stam, its supposed to discourage people from flying recklessly
karmic plank
An IRL ptera would probably break its wing crashing into something
odd sedge
It shouldnt be. Ptera is so bloody weak already and it doesnt make sense for a w...
Bro you flew with high speeds into a rock or team mate with the same speed, or course you are gonna fall
zealous violet
Accidents still happened occasionally and it would be nice to at least feel like you are attempting to regain yourself- even if you still end up dying.
hoary dawn
It shouldnt be. Ptera is so bloody weak already and it doesnt make sense for a w...
it doesn't just fall out of the sky, you crashing into something and then falling is a player error
karmic plank
Accidents still happened occasionally and it would be nice to at least feel like...
Pro tip: don't fly with no stam
odd sedge
Accidents still happened occasionally and it would be nice to at least feel like...
Don't fly with 0 stam then
zealous violet
I dont normally. But this time I for some reason I still fell even though I still had some stam left. I guess it just didnt register it.
hoary dawn
if you're in a situation where you're flying with 0 stam, then first off you aren't managing your stam effectively, then to crash into another player is something you can avoid via being aware of your surroundings
zealous violet
You can still go into neutral with a car and save yourself from crashing.
karmic plank
You need uh... 12% I think. Or 6%
To recover from a crash. Which is perfectly balanced imo
zealous violet
You need uh... 12% I think. Or 6%
Thats helpful information. I was always told that it didnt matter, you just needed some stam.
lone kite
it can take up to more than haft ur stam to recover from a crash
karmic plank
Not true, you can crash heaps
We ran Ptera FFA events on my server for a while before the nerf
Usually comes down to last with stamina wins now though
But yeah you can crash heaps, I'll have to test to work out how much
But as long as you have about 10% you can go for treetop landings and be alright if you mess it up
Note that recovering from an airbrake stall still requires some stam because of how they do their flight model, which could be fixed
Your stall speed is based on forward speed not IAS
hoary dawn
flight system needs a major rework
lone kite
not really
karmic plank
Ya, it's pretty basic, especially having playes other games like DOD... And you know, flown actual planes
But it's also pretty noob friendly which is important too
odd sedge
Although I have to admit, sometimes the recover doesn't quite register. While practicing landing in trees I found myself crash landing and not being able to catch myself, even though I had more than 50% stam
hoary dawn
not really
there is no momentum
odd sedge
Only in trees tho
karmic plank
It can be a bit iffy. If it registers as a landing then launch instead of a crash (you have your wings tucked instead of splayed, no wobble afterwards) that's why you had issues
hoary dawn
there was a really promising version of the flight system in those early videos on adam's youtube channel, but then dondi told him to change it to be a more relaxed experience
karmic plank
Cos if it's a launch you need be falling for a minimum period before you can start flying, because of how flight is simulated
urban flax
there was a really promising version of the flight system in those early videos ...
Let's advocate for harder flight
karmic plank
If it's a crash you can just spam space
karmic plank
Let's advocate for harder flight
Harder flight and buff ptera damage
Especially for quetz
No macro circle bite spam
urban flax
Harder flight and buff ptera damage
Buff ptera damage ? Isn't it fine the way it is ? How much is it since 3.5 ?
karmic plank
15 now, down from 50
urban flax
It's fine
karmic plank
50 was silly with how much easy dps you could get on stego and carno
But 15 means you are almost locked into eating fish, which I never liked
Or running after babies
hoary dawn
its technically fine since ptera isn't meant to fight things, but it honestly didn't need the nerf since it could only bully smalls and annoy big boys before
urban flax
You don't like the playable then
karmic plank
Well
I don't like the only way it can really be played now
I used to like it
But I get it too so whatever
hoary dawn
it was fun killing stuff as ptera
karmic plank
Yeah, you could actually be a carnivore
Now it's back to herbivore with extra steps
Unless you are brave enough to scavange
urban flax
All carnivores shouldn't be bloodthirsty killers
hoary dawn
ptera being able to interact with the rest of the roster was good
karmic plank
It was absolutely infuriating as a carno
urban flax
Seals are carnivores that can weigh over 100 kg, yet they're pretty much inoffensive to anything but fishes
We should wait for Quetz to get an actual killer flyer
karmic plank
Hypsi are herbivores who weigh 20kg, yet hunt babies for sport
hoary dawn
give dinos upward attacks if you aim up to counter ptrolling
karmic plank
There are a subset of people who aren't interested in fighting and just want to chill
But if you A enjoy flying and B want a PvE experience why wouldn't you just play DoD instead
Why even have a roster slot which doesn't interact with other players in any real way
hoary dawn
1 hour hatchling growth i expect
karmic plank
Well yeah DoD has a lot of issues but you get my point
hoary dawn
yea
urban flax
Why even have a roster slot which doesn't interact with other players in any rea...
Pteras are great for serving as scouts for bigger carnis
Which I think is a totally fine aspect of gameplay
hoary dawn
dod, despite its many issues, does have a really good ass flight system
karmic plank
Like you could replace ptera with AI and (mix packs aside) would still have the same experience
I feel like the justification for a roster slot being "yeah but they are useful in mix packs" is maybe not the strongest
urban flax
Like you could replace ptera with AI and (mix packs aside) would still have the ...
I once thought that ptera should be highly nutrient-rich once diets are implemented, to encourage other creatures to try to kill them
urban flax
I wanna see how diets work exactly before expanding further on that idea
karmic plank
Oh, yeah that's fair
urban flax
For now I'm just keeping it in the back of my head
karmic plank
Like I 100% support the nerf to ptera, it had to happen
But I'd rather that they make them harder to play and more capable at the same time
At least in PvP
Carno mains probably disagree though
urban flax
Raise your hands up in the air for harder flight system
hoary dawn
✋
urban flax
I'm gonna start thinking about it and write a suggestion for it
hoary dawn
https://youtu.be/h9ktXs0JECA this please
unreal ridge
remember when we were discussing how pterosaurs could get off the water surface?
kind of creating waves to push itself up
almost how a mallard duck takes off
pushing its wings against the water to push off and kinda jumping
visual patrol
Why’re people again stego being able swing it’s tail while moving?
ashen elm
Because it makes no sense for it not to swing it's tail while moving?
paper oriole
Might be because atm stego is in an ok spot but idk why people would be against it in the future
Its stupid that a quadruped who is based totally around his tail swing cant do it while walking/trotting
ashen elm
^
paper oriole
Same with it not having a sweep, it's dumb
Atm its doing alright but it still feels so incomplete without those things
visual patrol
Well hopefully when we get more playables it’ll be able to
paper oriole
Yeah idk how its gonna deal with actual apexes standing in place being held totally hostage
If it doesnt get a walking swing
Did the bot get you lol
F in the chat
ashen elm
Stego without a moving tail attack when apexes drop would be free lunch.
paper oriole
Pretty much
quasi stream
@regal elm gore will include guts, instenstines and everything that will make this game really unappropriate for a child
paper oriole
I hope they still have that thing with bones jutting out of full broken limbs coming
regal elm
<@698344683092312074> gore will include guts, instenstines and everything that w...
Im down for that, but only make it for dead animals; anything with it's internal organs turned into external organs does not tend to stay alive
urban flax
Not for long at least
quasi stream
Im down for that, but only make it for dead animals; anything with it's internal...
Considering this game is inclined for realism, what do you think?
safe galleon
@quaint kayak current plan is giving each creature an unique ability. Last from what I heard spino ability was walking on the bottom of rivers like a hippo
lavish quail
we already have that?
safe galleon
Have what?
keen vapor
we already have that?
yes we do
lapis tree
Deino’s got a lunge that grabs prey
Utah has a pounce
Hypsi has the spit thing
Teno has a tail slam that stuns
Carno has charge that can knock over small animals
Dryo has that awful dodge
And Ptera and the ability to not be terrible by being the only flyer right now
hasty dagger
And skimming*
safe galleon
And clinging in the future I’m pretty sure
azure wadi
Utah climb
hasty dagger
I like Utah climb
azure wadi
I like it if it’s only in short bursts and not like herra
hasty dagger
yes
halcyon umbra
where is questions chat?
safe galleon
where is questions chat?
#isle-discussion when the devs are talking in there.
karmic plank
Raise your hands up in the air for harder flight system
🖐️
clever thorn
Would be kinda cool if Crocs can swallow Rocks to Stay longer under water and to drag Pray faster on the bottom
urban flax
That's kind of an unnecessary mechanic tho
clever thorn
yeah but the Deino can only be under water for 3 Minutes thats kinda shity
urban flax
Cause they actually can stay underwater as long as they want while they have oxygen (and rocks wouldn't change anything about that) and dragging prey faster would be op
dire quiver
Cause they actually can stay underwater as long as they want while they have oxy...
Rocks contain oxygen everybody knows that smh my head
odd sedge
I don't mind Galli being introduced but it would sting a lot if we got Galli for U5 instead of Ovi
Like
That feels like a crime
barren zephyr
I mean Ovi doesn’t do as much as Beipi
It’s too small to provide a Good enough meal
Ovi is really just a troll and we don’t really need the trolls rn
barren zephyr
I mean hypsi is kinda pointless rn
odd sedge
I mean Ovi doesn’t do as much as Beipi
Every update had it's dinosaurs.
Fractures - Pachy
Night vision/poison - Dilo/Troodon
Nesting - Nothing?
It just makes no sense to implement eggs not alongside The egg thief
Ovi could really have some interesting game play, with being stealthy, plotting thefts, being the first omnivore
I really have nothing against Galli or Beipi, but it just makes no sense to not implement Ovi with eggs
honest sparrow
Unless they do add it without eggs
odd sedge
Yeah then Ovi wouldn't be as interesting but that's why I am literally saying it should come with U5, the nesting update
honest sparrow
Unless it’s added after u5, thus making it interesting because it can still do its stuff
odd sedge
U5, U5.5 at most. They could do it à la Pachy style
Though it is already further in development compared to Galli, at least if you go by the checkmarks on the trello
barren zephyr
I mean ovi id more of a meme while Gali would give some balance to the game
clever thorn
If Utahs could Stay/pounce on the Back of a Grown Deinosuchus or 50% and they are in the Water the only thing the Deino had to do was dive or make the Deathrole
ebon girder
Accidents still happened occasionally and it would be nice to at least feel like...
dont fly with 0 stam and if you get into accidents that often your probably just shit at flying
paper geyser
"i don't know how any of this works, but i'll act like i do anyway"
believe it or not, new mechanics and new playables that use those mechanics are not easy to implement
clever thorn
i know that its not easy to implement those things but if they had the Basics of the mechanics it would be much faster
paper geyser
those were the basics of the mechanics
update 3 was the foundation for any flyers and aquatics that come in the future
update 4 will also be a foundation
one for any animals in the future that have fracture attacks
so on so forth
we are in the basics of the mechanics right now. That's precisely why the roadmap was changed. Once they get all the essentials in updates will come faster and more content-packed
manic flint
^^^
hoary dawn
feedback discussion
hoary dawn
feedback discussio
odd sedge
Foodback discussn
barren zephyr
Fdb dsc
odd sedge
Fd
slim wing
Would be kinda cool if Crocs can swallow Rocks to Stay longer under water and to...
That makes no fuckin sense.
placid oriole
It shouldnt be. Ptera is so bloody weak already and it doesnt make sense for a w...
okay so the reason flying lizards died out is because birds opted for small feathered wings. birds were small enough to be able to swerve through the forests and stay safe in the trees. the ptera cant do that. such thin skinned wings would tear if they hit anything, so it is rather realistic that hitting anything in the air would cause a crash landing 🙂
clever thorn
Kinda hyped for the Vertical Jump from Deino
lavish quail
i might group all my hypsi suggestions together
not at all bias
would they make hypsi more op? no
would they make it fun? mabye
zealous violet
okay so the reason flying lizards died out is because birds opted for small feat...
Thank you for replying in a logical and nice manner. It makes sense now that youve brought it up and your nice way of putting it has made me more receptive to understanding what your saying, as opposed to becoming defensive. Thx. :3
paper geyser
slight correction
pterosaurs weren't lizards
and their extinction had nothing to do with birds
paper oriole
Yes the real reason is that they all choked on yucca leaves and died
maiden python
hi i need help
maiden python
i have a teno on the official #NA4 server and i'm on one side without being able to move and i cant get out of there to see if they could help me or if they cant or what do i have to do im new to this
tepid gate
You generally might want to ping an official server admin on the official server channel - I'd suggest going to evrima-na channel and pinging an admin there to get help.
maiden python
here ?
maiden python
thanks bro 🙏
karmic plank
Has anyone noticed that there is an auto-unstuck function now?
I've gotten stuck twice recently and after 30s just magically get free
zealous violet
Has anyone noticed that there is an auto-unstuck function now?
theres a WHAT now?! 😄
jovial hazel
Has anyone noticed that there is an auto-unstuck function now?
Every other message in the server-specific channels asking for admin help would tend to disagree with you.
still raptor
There isn't an auto-unstuck function.
karmic plank
All I know is twice now I've gotten stuck (properly stuck), layed down, gotten back up and pop I'm free
still raptor
It's the way collision works
karmic plank
It never worked that way beforw
still raptor
Yes it has, just not as reliable.
karmic plank
I've never ever gotten unstuck without help prior, then twice in a row managed it
still raptor
Tree's also have gotten new hitboxes which has helped this collision issue.
karmic plank
Palm trees are still easy to get stuck on, but sure.
Could well be coincidence but it was consistent between both events
It may be that it only applies to single tree stucks
It also took enough time that I'm sure many people would have already created an unstuck request - the real measurement of whether it exists is how many people complain about losing their Dino to being stuck
Personally, reviewing the official chats, I'm seeing a lot more of this sort of thing
hoary dawn
or not
honest sparrow
I always
karmic plank
if I'm hungry
karmic plank
🤯
Anyway. Pretty sure there is something new going on now. Certainly isn't perfect and might not work for twin tree stucks
Something like if(pressing movement key AND 30s passed AND haven't moved AND colliding with object) {Move player slightly away from nearest object;}
jade schooner
@tired tiger Sorry kid, but Mono is already confirmed, modelled and with basic animations.
They're not adding more dinos to the roster either
tired tiger
ok
pale storm
Imagine a Autrolovenator being able to pick up rocks or a sticks and use them like tools. That'd be neat.
tired tiger
yeh it would
tired tiger
Imagine a Autrolovenator being able to pick up rocks or a sticks and use them li...
thats why i wanted it to swap for mono
hoary dawn
aint happening, idk why swap it with mono of all things since mono is absolutely set in stone
tired tiger
because it would be cool
hoary dawn
it could be cool to have autro, but scrapping all of mono's stuff for it would be a waste
tepid gate
...rugops on the other hand
feral solstice
This feedback is so sad lmao
paper oriole
rugops is chad tho
hoary dawn
juvie carno
zealous violet
Can someone maybe explain to me the difference between the current ptera's flight and what uh.. Beelzebub or whoever was talking about with their video clip of the ptera flying up in general-feedback?
honest sparrow
Current Ptera flight is pretty much just press space and glide, the video that was posted shows more dynamic gliding where momentum and angles are more important and make flying more complex
zealous violet
Hmm so like it would take away the ability to look around while still gliding on the same path line?
honest sparrow
Idk maybe, alt look also exists
tired tiger
austro
zealous violet
oh okay, cool. Thanks for explaining, I can be a little dense sometimes. lol
karmic plank
Hmm so like it would take away the ability to look around while still gliding on...
It's more about making it realistic and dynamic instead of arcade. So space makes you pull up instead of just "press space go upwards", A and D are bank left bank right instead of magically turn and fly left or right, that sort of thing.
Doesn't need to be IL2 Sturmovic but something that makes flying rewarding and engaging instead of just "running in 3d"
Plus making flight less arcade-y means Ptera damage can be more realistic without it being as abusable as it was in U3
zealous violet
It's more about making it realistic and dynamic instead of arcade. So space make...
ohhh that does sound pretty compelling.
paper oriole
Magy bad animal
solar latch
Trello needs update 
karmic plank
Magy bad animal
stark dust
azure wadi
@plucky totem one that’s set on a fictional island where livestock was clearly brought in to feed the dinosaurs
lapis tree
The Spanish or a European power (During the time of colonial Europe) could have found the island dropped off some pigs come back a year later and bring over some more livestock, start a settlement, the settlement could have been wiped out or abandoned. The livestock broke out, breed and bing, bam, boom there’s livestock living on the island.
tired tiger
The Spanish or a European power (During the time of colonial Europe) could have ...
Yes that seems like very feesable answer but they could’ve been breeding the animals on the island to feed the dinos
lapis tree
Yeah that also makes since and is a simpler answer
But why chickens
That would be like feeding your great great great grandson to your great grandpa
tired tiger
But why chickens
Chickens could’ve been for compys
Wait in Jurassic park was it chicken in the sandwich that the girl fed to the compys
lapis tree
tired tiger
Ok
tired tiger
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Is t feesable
lapis tree
The compys ate their great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandson without knowing it
tired tiger
Yep
lapis tree
Damn
tired tiger
See it is a feesable idea
lapis tree
That girl sucks
lapis tree
I guess
tired tiger
The only way to prove it is a farm for keeping animals when the whole map is released
Otherwise the theorie will probably not be true
Not a hamonds creation lab one tho
barren zephyr
guys what do you think of what i posted in general feed back
give me some feed back on that pls xd
bleak atlas
I liked his second point (different tees, poison etc.) Bit dont like the others. So i react with 2
barren zephyr
thanks
lavish quail
confusing but cool
also Kaprosuchus is awesome
it would be cool to see another faster croc
but it would also ruin the balance a bit
barren zephyr
true
but i would see other dinos beeing added that would balace it out, like allosaurus, t-rex, sucho and spino
lavish quail
i feel cerato would dominate on it tho
because it will most likely have a grapple attack
bleak atlas
also Kaprosuchus is awesome
I think its to small for isle and wouldnt really fit
We already have rauisuchus
lavish quail
rauishchus what?
lavish quail
it was better than not seeing shit 50% of the game
feral solstice
But yes they need to make night brighter and not as long
paper geyser
i agree that nights are way too dark currently
safe galleon
are people just blind during night? I actually have no problem seeing at all
feral solstice
it was better than not seeing shit 50% of the game
Trust me. The game without night is not fun at all
It’s blinding
But yes
No dark af nights pls
barren zephyr
are people just blind during night? I actually have no problem seeing at all
Good for you, fucking sun monitor
lavish quail
Trust me. The game without night is not fun at all
ive played update 0 too
it was pretty trash
but 50% ?
safe galleon
Good for you, fucking sun monitor
it is good for me fuck you
barren zephyr
it is good for me fuck you
Sorry
feral solstice
It just needs better lighting
feral solstice
RyK versus the RyK hybrid
barren zephyr
He is half me.
abstract compass
laughs in ups gamma during the night
tepid gate
How much you can see at night heavily depends on your monitor yea. It is also down to the setting. On my old monitor I was blind like a molerat whenever it was getting darker. Meanwhile my friends were speaking about the stuff they were seeing on the other side of a lake, while I was wondering what lake they're talking about(it was 3 steps away from us).
Then I've changed it to "game-mode" from "standard-mode" or whatever and I started seeing more.
paper geyser
protip: game mode is usually horrible, hand tune your monitors for best results
abstract compass
yes
tepid gate
Couldn't do it on that one
safe galleon
He is half me.
I am you, but better
tepid gate
it only had a bunch of modes and that was all that I got to choose from
it was a really cheap piece of garbage so
And I agree that we needed nights because Evrima being constantly at mid-day was absolutely infuriating(the night could've probably been made brighter for the time being though).
barren zephyr
Shorter and brighter. Currently it serves no purpose whatsoever, just annoying, and no, I dont give a crap about how other people fucked with their monitors for 20 min and they can see now.
feral solstice
shorter than day please
odd sedge
Night has to be as long as day for all the nocturnal animals
lavish quail
Night has to be as long as day for all the nocturnal animals
not yet!
meager tiger
What small, land based animal is planned to eat alot of different things. Like iron gut omnivore kinda thing. I'm asking because I think it would be cool to go dumpster diving inside human bases and maybe get the jump on one lol. Or just hangout in the alley like a gang of racoons
Cerato is too big
And it's a carnivore
wise delta
What small, land based animal is planned to eat alot of different things. Like i...
Troodon
meager tiger
Can a troodon gang be a threat to a human
odd sedge
Can a troodon gang be a threat to a human
Yeah
meager tiger
Awesome
meager tiger
How big is a troodon. 4 feet tall?
meager tiger
40 kg ... 80 pounds
A gang of troodons can jump a human who walks near the alley lol
2-3 minimum
paper oriole
One troodon could envenomate a human and kill it. Bet
paper oriole
Chimps that are 80lb can destroy a human
tepid gate
One troodon could just kill a human, without even utilising its venom or ambush
Leopards and other big cats are in that size range
they can absolutely be lethal
paper oriole
Dogs that are 80lb can destroy a human
meager tiger
ok you made your point lol
lavish quail
Dogs that are 80lb can destroy a human
humans have guns
tepid gate
Of course it's a different story if we're talking about a trained mercenary that is supposed to handle being in the wild, but an average human would get mauled by an animal of that size.
paper oriole
Troodon could bite a human on the arm or leg and it would bleed out like a popped water balloon
paper oriole
humans have guns
Sometimes. And are you going to heal yourself with a gun when a troodon jumps you and disappears again into the undergrowth?
meager tiger
Wait can troodon climb
paper oriole
We dont really know yet
paper oriole
Probably with jumping at least
paper oriole
Yeah unfortunately ovi is devoid of anything interesting, they stuffed troodon full of cool stuff
meager tiger
But being a gang if murder lizard racoons
paper oriole
Ovi is still One of my fav dinos irl tho imma play it
meager tiger
Sounds more exciting
odd sedge
But being a gang if murder lizard racoons
Troodon doesn't make sense before night vision though
paper oriole
From what can be seen so far they have totally abandoned ovi as far as mechanics go and it's just a small galli
odd sedge
That's why Ovi has to come before that with eggs
odd sedge
From what can be seen so far they have totally abandoned ovi as far as mechanics...
Stealth, speedy-low stam, track deletion >>>>>> mini galli
paper oriole
Maybe they have something interesting planned for it but so far it seems lazy and unrefined like they just added it because its a well known omni. I hope im wrong on that
paper oriole
Stealth, speedy-low stam, track deletion >>>>>> mini galli
Thats just a fan design for it. And anything that small is stealthy
pale storm
Imagine the chaos of an Ovi gang going around and raiding nests
paper oriole
Just being fast with low stam would be boring too. There is no cool abilities revealed, no abilities at all actually
meager tiger
Uh
pale storm
Aw really? Ovi has nothing going for it?
meager tiger
Grabbing? You got good hands. Open doors?
pale storm
P e r h a p s.
odd sedge
Just being fast with low stam would be boring too. There is no cool abilities re...
Well it wouldn't make you a galli 2.0. It would make you plan out heists because you have to watch your stam
paper oriole
??? Thats what utahs arms look like theyre for
odd sedge
You can outrun angry parents but not outsam them
paper oriole
Well it wouldn't make you a galli 2.0. It would make you plan out heists because...
It would just limit its stam pool to force people to think, which can be good but it is still boring and not an ability and it wont make people want to play it at all
meager tiger
Box of snacks
pale storm
I can picture an Ovi being an egg thief and a scavenger so grabby hands might be a good thing.
meager tiger
I picture raiding a warehouse or a office for snacks and running around
odd sedge
It would just limit its stam pool to force people to think, which can be good bu...
It could still delete it's tracks while walking with its tail
meager tiger
With a box in my hands
paper oriole
I wish ovi had gotten mimicry honestly
odd sedge
Same...
meager tiger
Getting chased by humans through the halls
paper oriole
Lure hatchlings away, lure parents from nests
pale storm
Imagine an Ovi just swiping a rex egg no problem
paper oriole
Now its just small galli with nothing but fan ideas and nothing from the devs
meager tiger
Ovi should be the ultimate thief
odd sedge
Lure hatchlings away, lure parents from nests
You could do that with a pack though.
Have two distract while two reap the eggs
paper oriole
Honestly kinda salty cus its like my faves
odd sedge
Now its just small galli with nothing but fan ideas and nothing from the devs
It has potential, but we just haven't gotten anything confirmed
paper oriole
You could do that with a pack though.
Have two distract while two reap the eggs
And troodon can do it alone and be better at taking eggs from occupied nests than the actual egg thief
pale storm
Dude, the ovi has tons of possibilities. But realistically it was a good parent.
I still like the bandit idea
paper oriole
Its concept is devoid of any hints of special abilities while even utah's hints at it getting more
meager tiger
Troodon should be more of a gang of mobsters. Yeah they steak but they also attack
odd sedge
I am pretty salty though that Ovi has been removed from U5
meager tiger
Steal
paper oriole
Like it really looks like they have nothing planned for it
paper oriole
Troodon should be more of a gang of mobsters. Yeah they steak but they also atta...
So troodon is basically better ovi
meager tiger
No?
pale storm
troodon stealing eggs would make way more sense than Ovi actually
odd sedge
Pachy with fractures
Troodon with night
Why not Ovi with eggs?
paper oriole
Pachy with fractures
Troodon with night
Why not Ovi with eggs?
Anything can steal eggs
A dev already said it isnt exclusive
meager tiger
I said ovi can steal boxes and stuff
odd sedge
So troodon is basically better ovi
The concept art showed Ovi beating a Troodon
odd sedge
Anything can steal eggs
That's why Ovi should be the best at it.
Sniff out nests and grab two at a time
paper oriole
The concept art showed Ovi beating a Troodon
The concept arts have a consistent theme of animals beating up troodons probably as a ‘haha funnee’
paper oriole
Troodon will most likely utterly cripple ovi unless the troo is afk lol
meager tiger
Are you guys not listening. Ovi can grab things way better than troodon.
meager tiger
Ovi can grab boxes, open doors
paper oriole
Nothing from the devs
meager tiger
Well it's a idea
paper oriole
Idk why an ovi would logically be any better with doors than troodon or utah
meager tiger
I'm just saying don't lose hope
odd sedge
It shouldn't but true
meager tiger
Well can a raptor run with a box in it's hands
odd sedge
Thats a model issue
paper oriole
Bogger boxes than dog sized ovi
meager tiger
Wait
paper oriole
Its a model feature they very consciously chose to add
meager tiger
Ovi can crawl into vents
paper oriole
So can troo
meager tiger
Raptor too big
paper oriole
And compy
meager tiger
Hmm
meager tiger
Are compys omnivore
paper oriole
Troodon making its fucked up noises in vents
meager tiger
Lol
odd sedge
Troodon is meant to mess with humans
paper oriole
Which galli also seems to have now
meager tiger
Faction feature?
paper oriole
Yeah omnivore faction
lavish quail
Are compys omnivore
their basically ai for eating bodies rn
lavish quail
nope
odd sedge
At this point, I don't even think Ovi is the problem here. It has potential. So much potential.
But the devs are just not doing anything with it although they said it was the egg thief