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#general-feedback-discussion
sonic harbor
manic sun
waaaaaaaaaaay better
sonic harbor
that looks fantastic
manic sun
the first one looks like a JP ripoff but also looks cool tho ngl
icy lion
tiny image
manic sun
only problem I have with this one is the jaws, they are a little too smol but maybe it will get stronger biteforce bc they are cloned and maybe it has croc genes
manic sun
tiny image
couldn´t find a bigger one sry
manic sun
it looks so sick, like a true river monster
paper oriole
God if utah had feathers and nonbroken wrists like that i could actually finally enjoy playing it
lavish quail
God if utah had feathers and nonbroken wrists like that i could actually finally...
keep complaining.
paper oriole
???
Where was i complaining buddy lmao
I was saying i liked the suggestion
Good ass lookin raptor
lavish quail
i just wanna say you dont play utah cause it looks like jp raptor?
just guessing tho
paper oriole
I mean when i play a dino im looking at it the entire time so if i hate its appearance it kinda sullies my experience
lavish quail
AH HA
paper oriole
Its like legacy diablo with its glitched ass leg so distracting
lavish quail
I CALLED IT
paper oriole
Spino makes me kinda sad it looks too terrestrial
Like i cant imagine it looking good in the water
lavish quail
no but i called that you don't play utah cause you don't like jp raptors because its a "ripoff" and its annoying your OCD
I KNEW IT
paper oriole
Well ya got me i suppose
icy lion
no but i called that you don't play utah cause you don't like jp raptors because...
is this constructive or adding to the conversation at all?
because i dont think it is
paper oriole
I hope at least velo can do what that raptor pic showcases
plush rampart
I mean hey you’re allowed to not like the Utah design for whatever reason you want
lavish quail
feather utah is cooler than not feather utah tho
paper oriole
If it had a fictional name i honestly wouldnt care nearly as much but rn its like if you took a manticore and called it a pegasus
Except manticores are cool
plush rampart
Feathered raptors are cool but I mean I’m not gonna spaz if we don’t get em
paper oriole
If velo is feathered and actually looks like a velo i can just play that
lavish quail
velo should be a tiny boi with feathers
i personally have a hatred for the argument of "Change utah to novaraptor"
i have a sheer hatred of it
paper oriole
I hope velo is semiarboreal, he's the one who deserves momentum climb
I dont agree with novaraptor but youd probably also hate my idea renames of Apolloraptor or Velociovenator
Since apollo engineering is the company behind the isle dinos
manic sun
i personally have a hatred for the argument of "Change utah to novaraptor"
utah is such a cool animal but ppl want to see it die bc they lose their 5h apex to a "small" dino.
every playable is great, but many players aren´t (including me).
paper oriole
If one utah is soloing a 5 hour dino that isnt afk its pretty cringe but the model is honestly my only real gripe, the model is so easy to hate
jovial hazel
If one utah is soloing a 5 hour dino that isnt afk its pretty cringe but the mod...
So a 5 hour dino should just win no matter how bad they are.
manic sun
in a pack obviously
not a solo utah, if a solo utah can kill ur 5h apex in evrima then the hate is understandable but rn it´s at a point where it can´t even feed itself
paper oriole
I think mainly the food values are totally fucked but yeah utah did get a weird agility issue in latest patch
manic sun
bleed is way too low for pounce, tell me how are u going to stack that bleed if u get dropped off in 2s and might even die while doing so
ok wait no, the problem is bucking
barren zephyr
Notho?
paper oriole
Yeah nothosaurus
He fits the bill for small marine predator that can just chill on beaches sometimes
paper oriole
Nothisaurus and atopodentatus would be two nice small tier marine dinos who can chill on rocks and the beach sometimes
This gives a coastal marine carni and herbi
zealous violet
I do not like the utah's 1 call now. Its extremely abrupt and very abrasive on the ears.
Thoughts?
paper oriole
Theyre not ugly >:0
barren zephyr
debatably
paper oriole
Look at him
barren zephyr
I don’t want to ;-;
barren zephyr
I vote for beach chilling crypto like in the walking with dinosaurs stuff
Just a bit smaller
Or bigger cause I just found this
paper oriole
Wouldnt mind him or notho but i like notho's teeth more
barren zephyr
Or maybe crypto could just be like a 5 ton plesio being the biggest one that could come on land? While also being the slowest
Like an elephant seal
Cause I keep finding different stuff for it. Some sources say it was big and others not so big
paper oriole
He doesnt look 5 tons in that chart but i take prehistoric wildlife charts with a grain of salt
barren zephyr
Yeah I’m seeing 9 tons, 26 ft long at max and that chart as smallest
But that weight estimate for length is bs
Soooo 5 ton crpyto would be perfect in my eyes
barren zephyr
I’m sorry but despite how weird and unique he is he wouldn’t fit in the isle
paper oriole
Idk if magy can work then tany can work
barren zephyr
There’s like no room for combat- hiding- or anything for him in a video game
barren zephyr
Once maggy is in with diets he will be like just very bad tasting and not a part of the diet of much
Sure things will kill it to kill it
paper oriole
Lmao that doesnt mean anything tho
Do you think tasting bad will stop people from killing a slow midget sauropod
Its less viable than a tany would be
barren zephyr
On servers will rules it will
But most servers
It won’t
But still I wanna grow a midget surapod
paper oriole
So magy will only be sort of viable on cringe realism servers. Poor magy
barren zephyr
Just like cera on alt turn servers in legacy my friend
Or wait
No alt turn servers
paper oriole
Legacy was a clusterfuck for balance evrima shouldn’t be the same
Like para and trike were absolute trash, cera and pachy were blood bags, giga was totally busted
Not to mention the sandbox dinos
barren zephyr
Rip legacy
But even with maggy being terrible
You know people would still play it
Cause it would be the first growing surapod in the entire history of the game
Like come on- that sounds amazing even if it’s a stubby boi
paper oriole
Masochists might play magy
barren zephyr
Plus maybe they could give it a kinda skunk like role
Not just tasting bad and bad for you
But with an ability that could make you almost instantly ill just with a stench based special
Draining your stam faster and cutting into your food and water
paper oriole
barren zephyr
Go ahead- try to attack the maggy now starving carno- prepare to be punished by instant illness cause he stinky
paper oriole
The real viable magy
barren zephyr
Maybe just give it a chemical stench attack
And not a suicide or anal spewing monster
paper oriole
I would legit play magy if i could finish it off by suicide bombing some predator with my organs
It would make it so worth it
It would be the only reason to pick magy
barren zephyr
Ehhh that sounds like a bit to much
paper oriole
Just make magy the meme it was destined to be
barren zephyr
I think a stench attack that would make a dinosaur ill while instantly cutting into 25% of its food, water and however much stam is hit by being ill. With a little extra color difference and an extended duration for maggys would be good
paper oriole
If i lt could like helicopter spin its tail and spray putrid stink glue on a predator's face that totally fucks up their sense of smell and makes their whole body show up in other peoples' scent and they need to wash it off in deep water or some shit it would be ok enough i guess
Maybe make the predator throw up too
barren zephyr
I have to agree there
paper oriole
Cera could be immune or resistant to the puke though
I mean he eats rotten meat so
He would still get skunked
barren zephyr
Also makes perfect sense to me
Resistant to the illness factors of maggy but would still get messed up scent and would be lit up like a Christmas tree
paper oriole
Basically yeah
barren zephyr
Hell even give the animal a yellow scent line just like for food and water- that just leads you straight to a skunked dino
I think that what we just talked about would actually make maggy a fun playable dino
I wouldn’t attack a maggy if it meant getting ill and exposed to literally everything in range of scent
paper oriole
It would make people want to fuck with it less at least
Not as much worth it for a 30 second chuckle kfs grief kill
barren zephyr
I mean. Since once it’s out I’m maining Cera so I’ll still mess with maggy
But it’ll be more even
paper oriole
Getting skunked might deter me from porcupining a magy for fun as kentro
barren zephyr
Honestly maggy is kinda at a similar size to a lot of the playables rn. Based on its concept I think a good maggy could snap around some Utah’s
Plus with its skunking stuff it could drain there stam and put some pressure on a pack with the loss of food and water
swift dew
he had us in the first half
barren zephyr
While also making the Utah’s vulnerable to their own predators
paper oriole
he had us in the first half
Hey that magy idea is a work of art
swift dew
almost as good as THE GIGAshark idea
paper oriole
Giga shark is classic
barren zephyr
Wats dat
paper oriole
Milk banjo was pretty good too
barren zephyr
That idea is fun
But terrible lol
But to me
Skunk maggy
And judo Cera
Work
barren zephyr
The fuck
paper oriole
I envy the creativity
barren zephyr
Okay people are just getting ridiculous here
Judo cera and skunk maggy are where it’s at >:0
paper oriole
True
barren zephyr
Also where would maggys spray glands be?
Or maybe it’s just an AOE
Get to close and your icky now
paper oriole
Idk where do skunks spray from
Where do snakes ooze from when you pick them up and they do that defensive thing
paper oriole
Or wherever toads squirt water all over people from
paper oriole
It can be from an undisclosed orifice in that region
barren zephyr
Okay sounds fair to me. But with an AOE effect behind it
paper oriole
Yeah like a cone
barren zephyr
Reaching a bit past the tip of its tail- and in a cone going back from its hip. But past the tail tip cause if not we get the stego tail tip biting stuff
paper oriole
Hed probably raise his tail so it wouldnt extend that far with the hitbox as he does it, the attack would probably go a bit past his normal tail length
barren zephyr
Fair
paper oriole
Or like flap his tail around for some extra splatter range
barren zephyr
Where’s a coder to be chilling around when you have good ideas that would make a dinosaur not Crap
paper oriole
Like a fan
barren zephyr
Also that works too
paper oriole
Hippos do it i think but i dont think i can post the gif
barren zephyr
Hippos are gross
paper oriole
Hippos are monsters
barren zephyr
And they mainly do that to mark their turf
And that they are
Hippos don’t have many predators that they can’t just crush with their jaws. Like lions can try. But. I once saw a video, where one did. And man. It did not end well
For the lion
paper oriole
I think i saw that vid too, the group of lionesses and pne got munched on the head
barren zephyr
Yeah
paper oriole
Of course the hippo wasnt nice enough to just finish it off because they are full of pure unfiltered malice
barren zephyr
Ye, but it did just decide to pick it up by the head then slam it to the ground before laughing at it
If anyone says minmi would basically be the dino hippo- yeah no. It’s more of the Dino water rat
Like
Capybara
Coconut dog dino
paper oriole
Minmi is basically a capybara in a kevlar vest
barren zephyr
And yes capybara are the largest rodents on the planet but they don’t do much besides be cute, swim and get eaten
And ye agreed
Also if people are saying maggy is unviable compared to minmi, there is literally nothing in the game right now. That minmi could even have a chance to kill
Maggy would atleast probably get a stomp attack to stomp on Utah’s
sacred moat
What did I just read
paper oriole
Sacred texts
meager tiger
Can we get some sort of "hearing" mode. I'm a bit worried when more and more animals are added it's gonna be harder and harder to find a group of your species because it might not be easy to memorize 50 different lizard monster calls in the distance. I imagine maybe you could "learn" different species calls and when in heading mode you can tell what's calling or making noise. Or maybe you can only listen for your own species
valid elk
Well, RPR was where you'd dig the foot claws into the animal and bit/slashed with the hands
So you still use the foot claws in the killing, just more of a hang on
limber hull
I like how there are two different kinds of people when it comes to approaching the fish problem
I just want better waters for deino so he can actually kill and eat dinos in the firstplace, this other dude just wants the fish back
odd sedge
Can't we have both
limber hull
I mean sure but like
limber hull
Being able to survive off only fish really only works because most of your prey can just entirely nullify you
karmic plank
Put swamp where shallows is and put some fish in there
Widen all the rivers and make them deeper with logs and shit like arch river
Have a few dedicated crossing points where deino and land predators camp
A few semi-safe drinking spots with lots of land-based ambush opportunities
and increase the deino hunger timer so they can camp without fear of immediate starvation
8 tons of food every hour is bonkers for opportunistic ambush predators
limber hull
Make deinos eat more and starve less.
paper oriole
Food values should really just be fixed instead so carnis dont have to eat their own body weight or more in food per sitting
Like wtf do the isle dinos have the density of styrofoam why do they have to eat so much
karmic plank
I know people don't want to encourage afk plays but deino should get reduced food usage when they are sitting still waiting to lunge
Deino life is mostly waiting for drinkers or swimmers so just like IRL they should be able to go long periods without food while keeping their metabolism slow
It sounds boring but that is all they really have without more AI
Or mass cannibalism
They should probably also be able to hide themselves better when breathing, with just the tips of their nostrils poking out of the water
I don't mind them being able to eat huge quantities of food but if you are a deino and you somehow kill and eat a stego you should be set for ages
paper oriole
A deino should be fine with a carno or teno for an hour before theyre hungry again
Crocodiles can eat around 20% of their body weight per sitting
This is right at teno and carno weight
So then they have a larger selection of things that can actually kep them fed in the future and not have to hope a suicidal Stego goes for a swim across a massive river in the future
jolly prairie
hi ! Is it possible to increase the LOD (level of detail) to see herbs and other objects even further?
paper oriole
Holy bold text my poor eyes
jolly prairie
Holy bold text my poor eyes
?
odd sedge
Bigger animals just shouldn't eat their entire body weight
An elephant eats like what?
2,3% of it's own Body weight
paper oriole
It should generally depend on the animal's intended playstyle but 20% seems like a pretty good baseline for carnivores that can be raised or lowered varying by playstyle
For herbis idk
Its stupid seeing a carno vacuum up 6+ tons of meat lmao
odd sedge
I mean for herbis it's not as bad as they just need to find bushes
paper oriole
Like hes supposed to hunt small game, let him fill on 20%
Diets will make it a bit harder for herbis than just finding any old bush but who knows how much of a task that will be
odd sedge
It depends how much food a bush has
paper oriole
Considering apparently carnis will know where their preferred prey finds their preferred food it will also push more PvP on herbis
Though again it should vary by animal
odd sedge
Imagine needing to slurp up 6+ tons every day but your prey item isn't available
paper oriole
I think a fat grazer like stego or anky should require a large amount of low quality foliage, while something that eats higher quality and therefor harder fo gind food needs less
umbral linden
How in the world does an adult Tenno 2 shot an adult Carno????!?!?!?!!? please explain
paper oriole
Anky and stego strike me as low quality browsers
paper oriole
How in the world does an adult Tenno 2 shot an adult Carno????!?!?!?!!? please e...
Big tail go brrr
They dont even twoshot them do they unless something changed?
odd sedge
I think a fat grazer like stego or anky should require a large amount of low qua...
In total, yes, in percentages no
A smaller animal should have to eat a lot more % of its body weight a day than a large animal
paper oriole
Depending on the nutrients of the food it may also scale
Animals who eat a low quality diet need more of it to get the nutrients they need
I think pandas and bamboo are an example
Idk
odd sedge
There are many factors that play into this
odd sedge
I think pandas and bamboo are an example
Or like big whale sharks that just eat plankton
paper oriole
Pandas eat a shit ton of bamboo because it is low quality so they need a lot to meet basic nutritional needs
And yeah big succ and filter feeders
odd sedge
Or sloths that eat low nutrition leaves which take long to digest
paper oriole
So i can see a stego or anky just eating a ton of grass and random shrubbery and ferns and not really caring what it is
While like a shant is more specialized to a food source only found in certain areas but in turn it doesnt need to be stuffing its face quite as often
Or some other example dino like trike targeting certain fruits and woody plants
odd sedge
Could weigh around 10 tons but only eat 500 kg a day
paper oriole
If its high quality food yeah
If it grazes more than it should it shouldn’t have that liberty of only having to eat that smaller amount
odd sedge
Fruits in General should give them high nutrition value. With all the sugar in them, you could get up and running again
paper oriole
Dinos with large amounts of fruit, roots and fungus in their diet should generally not eat as much as a grazer
odd sedge
Anything with immense amounts of sugar and carbohydrates should
paper oriole
In order from least required to most i'd maybe go
Fruit/fungus>roots/nuts/tubers>woody foliage/flowers>water plants>generic woodland foliage and treeleaves>generic foliage and grass
Grazers have it easy finding food so theyd have to eat more
karmic plank
hi ! **Is it possible to increase the LOD (level of detail) to see herbs and oth...
No, that's locked server side
karmic plank
How in the world does an adult Tenno 2 shot an adult Carno????!?!?!?!!? please e...
Not possible. 3 shot with all head shots is the best you can do
jolly prairie
No, that's locked server side
Ok thx I also asked the question in the discussion to see if we would have a parameter for that later.
karmic plank
If you are running a private server you can change it in the configs
Using the usual UE settings in engine.ini and game.ini in TheIsle/saved/config
But it isn't something a client can set independently for hopefully obvious reasons
paper oriole
If utah kicks off voluntarily it shouldn’t have to worry a whole lot but yeah its stupid that it can pounce something’s face or tail and get handholding from the game teleporting them to the side
I wish theyd add more pounce sockets on large dinosif they dont plan on getting rid of the socket system in general, sockets on the head and tail areas that can result in utah getting bonked if it doesn’t aim properly
Like if it pounces an allo's face it deserves to get munched on
karmic plank
pounce is still a death sentence against smart stego and even teno and carno if there isnt enough distractions
once you can aim it all will be well though
and agreed re: bonk
safe galleon
Oh no poor babu taco 
ruby sierra
Anyone else has issues when pouncing you just land on your prey's feet and then they just kill you since you're stuck in this "missed" pounce animation? Mostly happened as juvi pouncing on juvi stego but also as an adult to an adult carno
karmic plank
Sounds like a post for #723294838610722847
wanton hull
Anyone else has issues when pouncing you just land on your prey's feet and then ...
Had that happen to me a few times only survived due too luck
Think it might have something to do with zooming in too much with the camera
Had the weirdest pounce bug yesterday where I tried to pounce down a juvi carno as a sub utah. I landed the pounce but I was pinning nothing still consuming stamina and the carno was just walking around. Eventually he turned around and attacked me.
I was also zoomed in to see through the flora
ruby sierra
I rarely zoom in unless I'm in a dense forest, but these times I was zoomed pretty far back so I could see my whole dino
valid zephyr
@barren zephyr I agree that the main colours shouldn't be able to be white. But detail patterns should be allowed to use it.
A lot of irl animals have white or off-white on them.
odd sedge
I'm a Fan of these shades of white personally.
I don't agree with the albino nesting, because people will specifically kos albinos if they see them so making it a norm seems the best for me
valid elk
I am so happy people agree with me.
lavish quail
I really wanna do a hypsi concept art of some kind
someone gib me a good ting to do it of
odd sedge
Alright
Hypsi in trees
Hypsi grooming its feathers
Hypsi hiding under leaf in rain
Hypsi flock climbing a rock
Baby Hypsis playing between their parents feathers
Hypsis riding between Stego plates
Hypsi doing a little doggy paddle in water
Hypsi on Top of Brachi head
Hypsi eating a wild watermelon?
urban flax
No hypsi spitting ?
odd sedge
Well I mean that could work too
lavish quail
Alright
Hypsi in trees
Hypsi grooming its feathers
Hypsi hiding under leaf in ra...
ty sir
i like this
lavish quail
lmao
odd sedge
Duck mode
bold palm
whoever said "diets" uhm, pt eats fish, there are no little fish. How does that work with the pt's diet and the deinos?
outer mauve
Where do so spawn in Evrima? Is it Center or? My Utah’s been hungry and down to less than half of a stomach and even fish won’t appear. Just curious
bold palm
or is the dryo now the pt's desired diet, cuz that's the only ai
another note, still hovering while sitting on rocks, deino sits too far out of water, landing on trees tops of trees platform too high, pt should gain stamina even if only up to 25% while just gliding. just some thoughts.
oh and add the quetz
🙂 👍
not sure why they adding another herbie when there are not omnivores and only 1 flyer.
manic flint
Do you mean pachy?
They are adding pachy to coincide with fractures
valid elk
Anyone have any problems or questions for my alt pounce idea?
bold palm
nope
bold palm
are you one of the devs?
valid elk
No, I just like feedback on my feedback, it makes suggestiond better.
urban flax
Devs do read the feedback channels
They even read the feedback discussions channels sometimes
valid elk
Yerp.
manic flint
They indeed read them. A lot of the changes in the past patch were common balance feedback, including my own.
urban flax
Yeah some of the things I've suggested ended up in the patch too :)
It's a great feeling to see something you suggested in patch notes
bold palm
I would like to have an xml balance sheet and or an .ini file to use to balance the dinos at will, so we can set our own balances on the dinos for our custom servers. I'd also like to see more options for tuning the server and more openness about the settings available currently for the engine.ini and game.ini, more custom commands for both, the ability to adjust zoom distance would be nice as well. Also access to console would be nice.
valid elk
I just like seeing things improve. My suggestion is more so a future issue, but I felt it needed addressed.
bold palm
Oh and more detailed logs would be nice, character, ingame name, steam id, computer id, ip address, location on map when action performed, time, date, action, character stats, thirst, hunger, stamina. You know as much data as possible in the logs. Would help with statistics gathering among other things.
lavish quail
admins should get a map
bold palm
also in logs, system performance data (how much network is being used for each user, what the fps averages are for the players and server, cpu usage, memory usage).
I believe there is a console command to run a benchmark on a system of which provides the scalability settings automatically, this would be a nice tool to have to auto configure a dedicated server. Could calculate how much available bandwidth there is and test for connection speeds etc. and apply them to an autoScalability.ini or something.
lavish quail
@vague scarab they said that they want it but it would have to be done in a certain way
vague scarab
<@!456550872663719936> they said that they want it but it would have to be done ...
ok, i just think it would be pretty convenient to have
lavish quail
it would be great to have
instead of trotting and waiting for them to catch up you could bring dem
but it wouldnt work for things like stegs and kentros
bold palm
lol died of starvation as pt...
barren zephyr
Get rekt
vague scarab
but it wouldnt work for things like stegs and kentros
im talkin bipod dinos should have it
or bipedal
however u say it
lavish quail
two leg bois
bold palm
archelon : 2.4 ton
feral solstice
Yeah some of the things I've suggested ended up in the patch too :)
It's a great...
Yeah
Seeing my wallowing clotting bleed suggestion get implemented into the game was like
lavish quail
Hypsi best dino
not at all biased
and i want it to be able to climb on other herbis
odd sedge
Hypsi best dino
What's Oro anyways
I honestly feel bad for Oro. It's been replaced by Hypsi
odd sedge
We have so many aquatics though...
swift dew
not herbivore though
odd sedge
A herbivore as small as Oro will hardly be viable with Beipi, austro and all that stuff around
swift dew
yeah im not gonna lie though, not sure how otter oro would work, I just thought it would be neat. didn't put too much thought into it
odd sedge
....What about beaver oro? Make it build dams instead of burrow?
swift dew
paper oriole
Maybe oro can live in mountain areas eating shitty mountain foliage and be basically immune to fall damage, yeeting itself down cliffs to escape predators
Like just ragdolling down a cliff
odd sedge
Sugar glider oro
paper oriole
He is the “mountain runner” after all
paper oriole
Sugar glider oro
More like rock tumbler oro lol
odd sedge
tumbles fourty meters deep off a rock
“I'm alright! :)“
paper oriole
Perfect oro niche
odd sedge
The mountain god
Doesn't care if Pachy yeets it
Perhaps instead of trees it gets to hang onto and climb on mountains and rocks
paper oriole
Or is just real good at scaling terrain, maybe has a momentum climb
lavish quail
is it weird if i want to see beipi be friends with deinos
paper oriole
Oro and velo deserve momentum climb way more than utah idek why that was in utah's concept
lavish quail
like clean it or smthn
paper oriole
I doubt that would happen in the isle lol maybe thered be a few nice deinos
If any dino cleaned teeth most people would just eat it
odd sedge
Velo deserves a glide
lavish quail
i wanna see beipi like stop bleeding for deinos or smthn
for like a neutral aliance
odd sedge
Or the ability to not need to drink and gain all the water it needs with eating
lavish quail
i cant see this boi being played
paper oriole
Why tho
visual patrol
lavish quail
unless it can outswim deino
visual patrol
I’ll play the shit out of beipi
valid elk
Everyones thoughts on my feathered raptor idea?
lavish quail
he seems kinda eh
lavish quail
Everyones thoughts on my feathered raptor idea?
also yeah its awesome
paper oriole
It probably can outswim deino
odd sedge
unless it can outswim deino
Honestly, Deino should not be the fastest swimmer in general
paper oriole
Feathered raptor >>>>>> dollar tree raptor
visual patrol
We haven’t seen anything for beipi yet so I feel it’s abit early to judge
lavish quail
Feathered raptor >>>>>> dollar tree raptor
dont agree but ok
paper oriole
Good for you we all have opinions isnt that great
lavish quail
i dont want beipi to turn out like my boi
paper oriole
I dont like leather car seat broken arms raptor and that is my opinion
Man hypsi is a disaster
valid elk
Noice
valid elk
You mean the wip animals that are no way, shape or form finished?
paper oriole
I hope velo is feathered and has normal raptor arms
valid elk
So, you agree to my feathered raptor idea?
paper oriole
You mean the wip animals that are no way, shape or form finished?
The wip animals that got released in far worse states than carno or teno
valid elk
My guy, they are still wip
lavish quail
Hypsi and dryo had like 0 effort put in to them
dryo will get tunneling to
odd sedge
I hope velo is feathered and has normal raptor arms
Basically, you want velo to look like an actual velo and not like a jp naked mole rat that sounds like turtles fcking
paper oriole
I know that duh
lavish quail
and hypsi should get this#general-feedback message
paper oriole
They were released in worse condition than other wip dinos
valid elk
Basically, you want velo to look like an actual velo and not like a jp naked mol...
So, Thhe Isle old Velo with feathers.
lavish quail
so then their both fun
paper oriole
I still dont understand dryo and burrowing it just doesnt look good like
What are they digging with?
bronze vault
i cant see this boi being played
Bro beipi would probably be a faster swimmer than deino and if not then it would definitely be faster on land. Beipi gets the best of both worlds
valid elk
Many animals that do dig are specifically adapted for it, but animals that do not primarily dig (such as rabbits) can dig.
Even bears can dig, it isn't that weird.
lavish quail
Bro beipi would probably be a faster swimmer than deino and if not then it would...
but the poor boi can die to pteras cause of his size
bronze vault
but the poor boi can die to pteras cause of his size
Have you seen those giant hands
odd sedge
Bro beipi would probably be a faster swimmer than deino and if not then it would...
Austro, my beloved, still eats these ducks with fork fingers
lavish quail
Have you seen those giant hands
what are they gonna do against a ptera tho
valid elk
Ptera lands next to it and gets impaled by Wolverine Penguin.
paper oriole
Rabbit and bears have strong forelimbs in comparison to dryo
bronze vault
what are they gonna do against a ptera tho
Water
valid elk
You mean the clawed animal that can stand up to Troodon, a heavier animal with venom?
valid elk
Owls dig too, so I don't wanna hear it
valid elk
they can only dive for so long
Dude, baby Deinosuchus can kill adult Pteranodon, Beipi will have no problems.
lavish quail
Dude, baby Deinosuchus can kill adult Pteranodon, Beipi will have no problems.
on land yeah
in water no
valid elk
What?
bronze vault
they can only dive for so long
Still, by your logic a Rex, stego, carno, and all others could die to Ptera. So I don’t see why beipi is any different
lavish quail
sorry
lavish quail
Still, by your logic a Rex, stego, carno, and all others could die to Ptera. So ...
not really
have you seen the damage of ptera
lavish quail
Pov hypsi without different spits
valid elk
Beipi has claws like that
bronze vault
Beipi has claws like that
True
valid elk
You think a Pteranodon is gonna fuck with Wolverine?
lavish quail
yes
paper oriole
Still think it looks stupid digging like his body shape and limbs just looks wrong for it. But what ever, Utah looks stupid momentum climbing and they want that too
valid elk
Dead Ptera.
lavish quail
i garentee it will be part of its diet
paper oriole
Ptera will probably get fuckin 2 shot by beipi its made of paper
valid elk
Still think it looks stupid digging like his body shape and limbs just looks wro...
Why not WAIR?
lavish quail
its like hypsi size
bronze vault
Also, if deino has a water jump then beipi may too
lavish quail
Still think it looks stupid digging like his body shape and limbs just looks wro...
its about having fun not 100% logic simulator
paper oriole
I know but itd be nice to have things look good doing what theyre doing
Otherwise it opens the window to like magy shooting a mouth cannon or something
lavish quail
I know but itd be nice to have things look good doing what theyre doing
utah is awesome to play rn and momentum climb would give so much more mobility and jumpscare opportunity
bronze vault
i garentee it will be part of its diet
Bruh in the concept art beipi is seen intimidating a troodon, unless Ptera will be able to kill troodon as well. Also Ptera isn’t even a good matchup against a Dryo what makes you think beipi will be any different?
lavish quail
Bruh in the concept art beipi is seen intimidating a troodon, unless Ptera will ...
beipi small
paper oriole
utah is awesome to play rn and momentum climb would give so much more mobility a...
Utah already has enough mobility once it loses the unintended turn radius shit from latest patch
Utah can already get onto rocks and buildings, doesnt need to be encouraged to play docktah in a tree
lavish quail
Utah can already get onto rocks and buildings, doesnt need to be encouraged to p...
have you not played treetah?
best experience ever
bronze vault
beipi small
Troodon size. Which is the same as a Dryo, and I guarantee beipi will have a WAY higher damage output than Ptera
odd sedge
@keen vapor
I am against albinos, white colors or extra melanin being a rare thing when nesting, because it will promote trophy hunting from predators if they come in sight
paper oriole
God i can only imagine how annoying theyll be
lavish quail
Troodon size. Which is the same as a Dryo, and I guarantee beipi will have a WAY...
wait wtf
troodons that big?
i thought it was like babu carno size
bronze vault
troodons that big?
Dryo size ish
icy lion
no its not
well, depends
we're not sure "which" troodon we're getting since ours isnt really based on any irl version of a troodontid
though the general idea leans towards ~40kg
bronze vault
In the concept troodon is shown to be about 1/2 or 1/3 the size of a teno which is the same as a Dryo
icy lion
and more conveniently, all 3 (troodon size is speculative and unconfirmed) https://i.imgur.com/Wnn124U.png
icy lion
its certainly larger than velo
lavish quail
max
icy lion
but its no dryo
there are larger troodontids irl that ours could very well use the size of
swift dew
In the concept troodon is shown to be about 1/2 or 1/3 the size of a teno which ...
also im pretty sure it was confirmed that was a younger tenonto
icy lion
possibly, the size matches up decently well
that said, tapwing has said in the past that her art doesnt use exact sizes
so anything could change from art->in game
lavish quail
damn-
bronze vault
Troodon compared to a teno
icy lion
pretty close the nova's size chart i linked
lavish quail
troodon is larger than i thought
barren zephyr
Anything below troodon and hypsi sized shouldnt be playable.
I think even hypsi is borderline
bronze vault
Anything below troodon and hypsi sized shouldnt be playable.
Compy
bronze vault
Hypsi is godlike
bronze vault
Nobody is gonna plas hypsi later on.
And who says that?
barren zephyr
Me and my experience. There will be a very few people that will unironically will play that small playables.
bronze vault
Me and my experience. There will be a very few people that will unironically wi...
And why?
How have you come to that conclusion?
vague scarab
What if they add the ability to ride Crocs. Like irl, turtles and pelicans as well as other birds just chill on a Crocs back as it swims, I feel like this would be a cool thing to have for pteras or small dinos
barren zephyr
Playing the game since 2017, playing almost every game that has to do with dinosaurs and getting know what people usually like in a game like this.
bronze vault
What if they add the ability to ride Crocs. Like irl, turtles and pelicans as we...
Ye but knowing deino players they would probably bite you off and victory roar lol
outer mauve
Where do ai dryos spawn?
vague scarab
Ye but knowing deino players they would probably bite you off and victory roar l...
I got so pissed at deinos today, I decided to play as a Utah and massacred 17 deinos in 1 life today
bronze vault
Playing the game since 2017, playing almost every game that has to do with dinos...
I feel like you’ve based your opinion on the fact that many ppl enjoy pvp in this game, yes a lot of people do but hypsi is more for survival. It feels like you think hypsi will be a dead Dino just bc you don’t like the play style
outer mauve
It ‘is’ a survival game, it’s NOT a fighting game.
barren zephyr
No, I based on this because this happened with every small playable in every game ever. I'm not saying it will be completely dead, but trust me, you wont see hypsis flying arond everywhere. Most of the people are not buying the game to play asa 25kg animal that can spit two times then die of starvation. You can qoute me on this, as soon as the roster gets hit by more famous dinosaurs , you wont see hypsis.
bronze vault
No, I based on this because this happened with every small playable in every gam...
We can spit a lot more than 2 times
barren zephyr
Obviously, that wasnt my point.
bronze vault
No, I based on this because this happened with every small playable in every gam...
Also, you never see hypsis anyways, they’re too small. They can literally hide in grass. Their there, you just can’t find them
They are rare tho I will admit
Also with 52 playables you’ll hardly see anything flying around
barren zephyr
Popular ones.
bronze vault
Popular ones.
Rex
barren zephyr
Im not saying smalls are not important or can't be fun, I'm just saying majority of the playerbase are not here to play as a gremlin.
bronze vault
Im not saying smalls are not important or can't be fun, I'm just saying majority...
Ok
True
But they will probably never be really dead
Like legacy Dryo
keen vapor
<@256446321546887168>
I am against albinos, white colors or extra melanin bein...
I guess? but it would still make for a pretty cool and very unique expeirence
vague scarab
I don't even see the point of being a hypsi, like it's a very vulnerable creature who is basically one tap by everyone, and it's defenses are extremely weak
blissful scroll
I feel like hypsi is supposed to offer a unique way of survival aside from run and hide-
It can be fun and its mobility options/ ability are interesting, even if it is extremely weak
But, at this current point, you’d probably be better off playing dryo
I, for one, am here to play as a gremlin
the adrenaline rush is great
vague scarab
I enjoy Utah the most tbh, it's not the strongest, but with the right tactics it can be both defensive and offensive
blissful scroll
That’s awesome! ^^
I’m not too confident in my combat abilities, so having a creature who can reliably run away from things is nice
vague scarab
Are hypsis considered the fastest or no?
paper oriole
Hypsi isnt fast, its size is its only real advantage
blissful scroll
Yyyeeaahhh
paper oriole
Doesnt utah already hunt larger game. If the suggestion implies it should be hunting large game alone then no thanks lol
Utah packs are supposed to take on large game and thats cool but a solo utah nah
paper oriole
Exactly
feral solstice
also troodon has venom, not a pounce, and should have a fast af growth time and larger packs than Utah
paper oriole
Also troodon utilizes venom that looks like it will work quite differently than bleed and is nocturnal
feral solstice
Niches diverged
paper oriole
Thats like saying giga and rex are the same because they both hunt large animals and are apexes
dreamy bison
Patch also added Utah dismount velocity
hoary dawn
patch notes do not exist
dreamy bison
They can claim any bad balancing was accidental that way
crude girder
patch notes do not exist
??
hoary dawn
??
latest feedback is asking what was in the last patch even though there is a detailed list of that information on steam
crude girder
ah, that was sarcasm then?
hoary dawn
ye
tepid gate
I feel like you’ve based your opinion on the fact that many ppl enjoy pvp in thi...
Hypsi won't be a dead dino. It already is a dead dino - literally almost no one ever plays it. I've seen like three over a month on the different official servers where I play. It's already an absurdly small playable and nothing smaller than it should be playable. Even Hypsi itself is both hardly noticeable in the grass because it's so short and can hardly see anything through the grass. Honestly I feel like adding it to the game was a complete waste of dev-time considering how little playability it sees. Dryo at least works as an AI to a certain extent(but also sees very little play, it wasn't helped when it was outright OP either).
crude girder
@stoic lichen can't show off what's not done
stoic lichen
kissen said they started work on some cera anims a while back
crude girder
started work on them doesn't mean much, especially with Cerato not on the horizon
if anything there'd be Pachy and maybe Troodon animations
since animating an animal that's not coming for several updates seriously is a bad move imo
tepid gate
I'd argue that Hypsi shouldn't have been a playable and honestly even Troodon seems too small to make a good playable. Yes, there are people that like to play smalls - that's why there are things such as Herrerasaurus or Mono, Rugops, Dryo, Austro and so on on the roster. Those animals are small while still being large enough to make them worthy of interacting with for the larger parts of the fauna. Troodon and Hypsi are honestly not even worth chasing after for any carnivore.
sonic cloud
Anything smaller than a Dryo should have remained unplayable
stoic lichen
since animating an animal that's not coming for several updates seriously is a b...
kissen said we could be seeing some animations soon enough, how soon idk but i just thought i’d be pretty cool to do it now especially since all we’ve been getting is map pics
sonic cloud
Absolute waste of space to have anything smaller
tepid gate
I guess Troodon has the advantage of having good interactions with humans but that's about it.
hoary dawn
there is fun to have playing as something small
barren zephyr
Smalls are fillers between actual playables. I used to play mid/apexes and when I died and didn't had the mood to grow a new one, I played some smalls. Thats their role if we are being real.
hoary dawn
for you maybe
i personally enjoy playing as something small and fragile, it makes evading danger much more exciting
some of my favorite moments in legacy were juking out large carnivores as a juvie
tepid gate
I keep seeing people say such things in this discord, almost all the time. If I were to make any assumptions about the playerbase just based on the stuff that people write here I'd assume that like half the playerbase plays Hypsi and Dryo and yet in the actual game I see them once in a blue moon.
karmic plank
Last time I played Utah I lived on hypsi for a good 2 hours
I've also been mobbed by hypsi at shallows as a half grown
People do still play them but you need to have fun baiting and running from carnivores
Like old dryo
My experience is more people play hypsi than ptera these days
barren zephyr
I based all of this on years of experience with the game and it's community. Thinking that small playables have huge fanbase is a nice tale, but its just a tale. I agree there might be some people who enjoy playing as a small unironically, but trust me, majority of the playerbase does not care about them or atleast not for long.
karmic plank
I think @limber hull is a hypsi main this patch
Small playables are good for young carnivores
I enjoy rolling a hypsi and running around with 0 care for my own safety from time to time
Tease Utah's and tenos
Worse case you die, feed someone, and can respawn and do it again
tepid gate
I definitely see far more Pteras than Hypsi, I've just seen a Pteranodon 10 minutes ago
Last Hypsi I've seen was... some weeks ago I think?
karmic plank
Must be timezone differences
karmic plank
Me either
barren zephyr
Just wait till we get the more popular dinosaurs.
tepid gate
The last one I remember was sometime during the days of 3.5 where someone clearly just found out how good Dryo actually was at the PvP and wanted to take down my juv Carno, I didn't take the bait and just ran for my life through the forest though.
Yea, what Ryk just said
Hypsi is 1/8th of the roster right now
when we have 25+ playables
there will be barely anyone playing it
karmic plank
There will always be a place for zero investment spawn and go playables like hypsi
Some people also just enjoy being small and cute
barren zephyr
Hipsy will have growth. Why would anybody invest any time into hypsi.
karmic plank
Last Hypsi I've seen was... some weeks ago I think?
Also probably because you don't spend time around pond
karmic plank
Hipsy will have growth. Why would anybody invest any time into hypsi.
Yeah, having to grow them will remove most of their attraction
tepid gate
typically while growing some carnivore
karmic plank
Hypsi is for when you just lost your carno and don't want to be a useless baby for another hour.
If you have to grow it and worry about diets... Eh, why bother
barren zephyr
Again, I do understand that devs want a healthy ecosystem. But these really small playables should've been just AI's. They should have released something better instead, like a playable that actually has audience.
tepid gate
^ agreed there, although admittedly Hypsi has quite a lot of the cool factor just due to its flamboyant colouring and looks
limber hull
I think a big thing for me will be when hypsi gains the ability to be arboreal and feed on higher food sources by climbing trees
Like, how cool would it be to collect high level fruit meant for taller dinos as a tiny bird because you are agile enough to reach it
karmic plank
As long as you can throw fruit at mercs I'll be happy
blissful scroll
I agree
wanton hull
@gilded jacinth everyone gangasta until the trike goes bipedal
paper oriole
Global chat should be a thing for sandbox servers when they come, its the only place where it belongs
real bison
does ptera spawn back flying if you were in the server when it disconnects/restarts or kicks you for any reason. every time thats happened to me while im flying I load back in to a dead ptera on the ground. kinda sucks.
just wish if you instantly disconnect or the server restarts it atleast grounds the flying people so you dont fall to your death when you load back in
karmic plank
Global chat should be a thing for sandbox servers when they come, its the only p...
Love it for sandbox hate it for survival
odd sedge
Absolute waste of space to have anything smaller
Agreed but I think Hypsi should be the limit, not Dryo.
I just can't understand people who are hyped to play compys like... It's a smaller version of a venomless troodon or anything small. If you want to have a giant swarm, go play troodon, because they are likely to have larger packs anyways and they don't get one shot by baby dryos that even look their way
karmic plank
The main attraction of the very small playables will be around messing with humans
odd sedge
Thats literally what's troodon is for
- hallucination
- night active
- voice mimic
- small enough to sneak in
karmic plank
How big is troodon, again?
odd sedge
Around Ovi sized
karmic plank
Ovi is like 40kg and 1.6m long, right?
Hardly small enough to sneak into a merc base
That's basically person sized
odd sedge
More or less, the concept art showed ovi beating up a troodon, so it could be either smaller all together or just not fully grown
But voice mimic is going to mess with humans badly
limber hull
Agreed but I think Hypsi should be the limit, not Dryo.
I just can't understand ...
because my little idiot goblin boys. Still hyped for troodon tho
karmic plank
If troodon is ovi sized it won't be able to stay hidden in merc bases unless they have really contrived layouts
Whereas compy could easily hide behind boxes, in air vents, under tables
Scaley rats
odd sedge
That's the problem with compy
Its size Is that of a rat
If people generally say they don't want micro or archeo in the game because they are too small, why is compy getting a pass?
warm flame
the only way I could see archeo or micro working is as the birds that sometimes show up
karmic plank
If people generally say they don't want micro or archeo in the game because they...
Compy already is, they just want it to be playable. Easier to justify than "make a whole new Dino"
quasi stream
@tired tiger the reason why it won't work making deino move slower in water is because the deinosuchus is a heavy being. For example, us humans move through air like it's nothing, even tho the air is filled with oxygen, carbon dioxide and such. But a being such as a flea moves harder through air because it's lighter and smaller. It sees air like jello rather than us.
karmic plank
Especially when the effort is pretty much the same whether it's a meme Dino like micro or something we actually want like cerato
@quasi stream how do you propose making the water even muddier? It's already effectively opaque for non-deino
And @tired tiger mud does not make water significantly more dense. If it did, it would quickly fall out of suspension
quasi stream
Deino sees water with mud just as water. It's powerful enough to move through it like it was clear water. A small dino like a hypsi on the other hand, it can be influenced by the debit, the flow of water, the mud and such. But making only 1-2 dinos be influenced by it is an effort the devs shouldn't focus on now
karmic plank
That's not how any of that works though
But it won't happen regardless, so moot point
I'd agree with having reedy marsh areas which were harder to swim through for therapods
quasi stream
<@254557723436253194> how do you propose making the water even muddier? It's alr...
The water how it is now let's say it's at 2 on the level of muddiness. They could make a level system from 1 to 5. When it rains, it becomes 5. Slowly it goes down to 1 if it doesn't rain for a long time.
Making dinos on land easier to see in water if the level is 1
And if it's 5, it's "God help me lord" type of muddiness
And deino is not affected by this level cause it can already sense what's in water.
hazy hearth
Is it me or is airborne fishing as a Ptera so fucking frustrating.
paper oriole
Unless the lag is super hard or fish are just not spawning i don’t think there's an issue with it
karmic plank
The water how it is now let's say it's at 2 on the level of muddiness. They coul...
Ah, so you want to make normal water state clearer for all dinos (which would cripple deino) and also muddier for deino during events (slight deino nerf)?
Or will this only affect deino underwater view?
karmic plank
Unless the lag is super hard or fish are just not spawning i don’t think there's...
Schooling fish are not typically spawning at the moment. They seem to only spawn once the server is at the AI cap (220 or so), or possibly only when all AI are sleeping (dormant due to no nearby players)
paper oriole
Yea i assumed their spawns were acting up
karmic plank
I've verified this on my server by wiping AI and observing schooling fish spawns in spectator mode
paper oriole
Or fat deinos ate them all
karmic plank
That was my initial assumption, but I think there is something else going on
Actually, now I think about it, I don't recall Wipe AI actually affecting schooling fish prior to this last patch
They were never technically AI before
karmic plank
I believe so, yeah - or at least they did
Since they had/have no actual AI to speak of, they don't react to players
Toggle AI never worked before and it does now, so that bit of the code has definitely been touched since U3
meager tiger
@zealous violet I'm all for more different animal noises but I'm worried at the current state it'll get harder and harder to learn all the noises whether it's to track potential prey or find your own species. It's gonna be a ear cluster fuck when there is 50 species with 10 calls each
quasi stream
Ah, so you want to make normal water state clearer for all dinos (which would cr...
No. I am a Deino main. I am saying that when the water is level 5 muddy, the dinos on land will find it impossible to see anything underwater (with and without putting their cameras in water) and when it is level 1 muddy, that means they can see clearly the edges on the shore and stuff(like irl). When the water is muddy, it helps deino hunt better. When the water is clear, deino can rely on fish or aquatic life or try to go for something drinking water but is harder when the water is clear
Something like this
You see the bottom clearer
karmic plank
However it's basically been level 5 muddy up until now, and maybe level 4 this patch
karmic plank
So you are still wanting to make the water clearer for all dinos outside of specific events
Which is still a huge nerf for deino
quasi stream
Yeah, with time let's say 10 in-game days without rain, it gets clearer
But rain is random in-game
meager tiger
That sounds fair
karmic plank
I can't see that being viable, though
quasi stream
So it could rain in 2 days, it could rain in 10
karmic plank
When the water is clear deino starve
quasi stream
When the water is clear, deino can still hunt, but it's harder. It can rely on fish or other deinos. Maybe with the addition of more aquatics.
karmic plank
So it basically becomes "oh, water is clear, guess I'll play on another server tonight"
meager tiger
Also crocodile can go very long time without food. They have a much slower metabolism
Compared to therapods
Who need to eat daily
karmic plank
TI isn't set up that way though, time is hugely compressed
meager tiger
Oh
quasi stream
I said that when the water is muddy, maybe make it last some time so deinos can have the chance to hunt. Maybe when it rains, for a few days it stays at level 5 muddiness, and after let's say 3 in game days, it's starts to clear
Stuff like that
meager tiger
Why didn't they make crocodile metabolism slow
quasi stream
Maybe they are going to change them when diets and perks come.
meager tiger
Crocs are suppose to be a hardy animal who endures hard times. There's a reason they aren't extinct
karmic plank
The diets are completely bonkers for carnivores at the moment anyway
They all need to eat their own bodyweight every 45min (1 hour for deino)
That's 8 tons of food per hour
Insanity
meager tiger
Pfftttt
quasi stream
We'll see
meager tiger
Should be 8 tons every 8 hours lol
I'm pretty sure croc can go a week after a full meal
karmic plank
At most, yeah. Deino should also get a big reduction to food usage when laying in wait
meager tiger
Probably longer
karmic plank
Months, actually
karmic plank
They gorge during wet seasons and fast during the dry
karmic plank
A lot of their weight is fat reserves
karmic plank
Yeah good analogy
meager tiger
Good luck spino during a diaster lol. Imma wait out
karmic plank
It's not great from a gameplay perspective but I mean... That's what croc boys do
Wait wait wait FEAST wait wait wait
meager tiger
I mean it'll be fun watching everyone freak out during a drought
And I'm sitting like a king
barren zephyr
I wish they make stego weeker, I know they are apexes but rly the damage is too high.
paper oriole
Lmao
meager tiger
...? It's a fat multi ton defensive animal who was fighting I believe allosaur during it's time?
paper oriole
You can just go away from a stego, it cant do the same with you
Unless youre a deino i guess
meager tiger
It's your fault for picking a fight with a stego if you are unsure about winning the battle
paper oriole
Stegos oneshotting overconfident attackers is always a good sight to see
meager tiger
Bro this thing had to fight allosaur
barren zephyr
Allo is comming to evrima ?
paper oriole
Yes
paper oriole
Everything is planned to come to evtima eventually. Well, except pue
meager tiger
So of course it's going to be easy 1v1 for stego
barren zephyr
Hmm didnt knew allo will be made that strong
paper oriole
Carno shouldnt even be thinking about hunting stego snd utah should do it in a coordinated pack
meager tiger
...it's bigger than carno?
barren zephyr
The allo ?
meager tiger
Yes
barren zephyr
It is
karmic plank
It's your fault for picking a fight with a stego if you are unsure about winning...
Dude I got into a fight with a rock and it kicked my butt. Punched it twice and couldn't hurt it :(
meager tiger
It was a apex predator of it's time. The trex of the Jurassic
paper oriole
Allo is like twice carno's weight almost
barren zephyr
Well see
karmic plank
Stego is killable if they are noob or if you get a carno/Utah mixpack
1 carno 4 Utah can get a stego if the carno is good enough
meager tiger
Trex didn't exist until creataceous. So the Allo filled the super predator role during it's time
Trex is to trike as allo is to stego
paper oriole
Allosaurids were apexes for a long sss time before virgin t rex showed up
All over the place
meager tiger
Im talking about the Allosaurus specifically
meager tiger
How did they die out?
zealous violet
<@509222498680832011> I'm all for more different animal noises but I'm worried a...
Oh for sure. It'll be confusing for a little while as people adjust to the new sounds. If youve ever been to the jungle its extremely loud! So its not like its completely out of the scope of reality.
odd sedge
Is allo getting into evrima?
Because I thought it was kicked out of the evrima roster for officials so that magy players can vibe in peace
urban flax
I'm not sure about Allo, isn't it supposed to be the Apex of Evrima ? Since we have stego playable I don't see why allo shouldn't
Though maybe stego will be changed to be AI only later on
At first it was planned to be AI only after all
karmic plank
Allo cool
Magy bad
I'll get the pitchfork, you guys get the torches
Quick, before they get away
paper oriole
Ill run away faster than slow old magy can catch me
urban flax
Magy doesn't know who you are
But Magy will find you
And Magy will kill you
karmic plank
Or at least, look really sad at you
paper oriole
urban flax
Magy backflips and bodyslams allo, then does a german suplex and destroys him
meager tiger
Be quite stupid not too add allo. It's like adding trike without rex
azure wadi
id prefer everything before apexes
azure wadi
stego's a pseudo apex
karmic plank
we need something that makes stego go oh shit
lavish quail
Nah
azure wadi
we need something that makes stego go *oh shit*
stego has been added in the wrong time, you cant really add a predator fitted for hunting it with making it overpowered compared to other creatures
karmic plank
I can't say you are wrong, but I hate admitting you are right
tired tiger
stego has been added in the wrong time, you cant really add a predator fitted fo...
Correct even trikes would have been better before stego
azure wadi
Correct even trikes would have been better before stego
oh hell no
urban flax
Correct even trikes would have been better before stego
Well no since trike is an actual apex
karmic plank
yeah trike would have been worse
tired tiger
Ok
azure wadi
trike is one of the worst herbis to get added
karmic plank
I know where you were coming from - at least trike only has a small attack range - but
azure wadi
I know where you were coming from - at least trike only has a small attack range...
we dont know evrima trike might get a new charge or something
karmic plank
would make sense
Actually I wonder how evrima utah would go against legacy trike
I feel like trike would actually struggle pretty hard
like it would take ages but
What was legacy trike speed?
tired tiger
Yeh
karmic plank
25.3 according to wiki, so not that different
tired tiger
I made a series on trike never got adult tho
karmic plank
but they were full 2 ton heavier
urban flax
Evrima Trike should go around 30 km/h in evrima, maybe up to 35 or 40 when charging
tired tiger
Yeh
tired tiger
Yeh it does seeming baby Carnot are 40
urban flax
Well
Trike drinks
Deino lunges at trike's head
Deino dies
karmic plank
Pretty much
tired tiger
Yep
karmic plank
trike would just stomp carno too
but idk, maybe utah could be trike's archilles heel
as long as they were solo
tired tiger
Hope there’s better water creatures eventuly or trikes will thrive
urban flax
Spino
azure wadi
evrima trike has a quick turn, counters utah's pounce by impaling it and has a lot of health so i doubt utah has much chance
karmic plank
eh, can't be faster than a stego swipe
and that's easy enough to dodge if they don't use terrain and trees
likewise carno alt-bite
utah slot pounce is pretty trivial to land against anything big
tired tiger
Yeh
karmic plank
anyway 2 utahs one either side can't aim at both of them
but yeah trike is rightfully a ways away
tired tiger
Yeah so they probably can’t win 2 Utah’s vs trike
azure wadi
gonna be honest, utah is a small tier and even in a small group should have no business messing trike
lavish quail
I want people to hear me out here
Evrima trike should be able to spear and lift small animals like carbon cerato and mabye even allo
paper oriole
Trike and styraco should be all about that stabby stabby shish kabob
tired tiger
Yeh
tired tiger
Trike and styraco should be all about that stabby stabby shish kabob
Lol
Compys would be fun to see in game and would add another creature that’s not a baby that could rival hypsie
paper oriole
Hypsi would trample compy i think lol
paper oriole
Why tf would drinking stave off hunger for anybody
95% of carnis should just pvp to eat not fuckin drink water for food lmao
tired tiger
@bold palm they have the grab ability to take food with them to help stave off hunger
paper oriole
Multiple dino slots per server is a revenge killers dream
Unless it has a big fat cd on it
barren zephyr
About dinos that will come, Im sure Maggy will be a apex dino.
paper oriole
Lmao
Magy is like slightly over teno sized
Carno can probably knock a magy over
Deinosuchus will oneshot magy with its special
tired tiger
Ok
paper oriole
50/50 with cerato who decapitates magy in his concept
Cerato is small
Probably weighs less than carno
barren zephyr
Ye but the bite is stronger then carno
paper oriole
Probably, carno is an ambusher who is supposed to use charge more
And that charge will probably topple magy over
valid zephyr
But in this photos it looks like is as big as a cera
We still don't know what specimen of cera the devs will use.
The 1100kg max known one, the 1600kg speculative one from a tooth, or something else.
So trying to work out magy's size on cera is hard.
paper oriole
Me when magy is released
valid zephyr
Magy is like slightly over teno sized
magy is a lot lighter than tenoto. It only looks large due to its long neck and big neck frill
barren zephyr
I mean if they make cera that big is gonna be good, i never been a big fan of allo or carno...
valid zephyr
Wait.
Nova changed magy's size on the chart.
magy is now bigger than tenoto. I'll need to ask about this.
paper oriole
Google magy is like 2000
barren zephyr
To be fair they make constant changes about weight and other stats
valid zephyr
google scholar is good, though hard to trawl through. wikipedia works IF there is a reliable source linked.
there was one like 'what is the most dangerous herbivore dino'
google: spinosaurus
paper oriole
They try ti go with accurate weights afaik with some exceptions
Like utah who is so warped he isnt a utah anymore so he lost weight to accommodate his playstyle
barren zephyr
Idk but im sure maggy will have a tail attack like is so big they sure will make an attack for that
valid zephyr
magy was like 1200-1300kg last time I checked. tenoto was 1600kg.
but now magy is 1650kg on novas charts
paper oriole
there was one like 'what is the most dangerous herbivore dino'
google: spinosau...
Dont you know spinosaurus ate sea weed? Future discovery
Oh 1650 still smaller than carno
Im gonna go magy bowling
barren zephyr
Ye...
valid zephyr
Like utah who is so warped he isnt a utah anymore so he lost weight to accommoda...
I mean that's partially due to the model size and skinnyness. irl utah is larger and bulky. While we have the jurrasic park raptor.
It made no sense for something that big to be 500kg
paper oriole
Yea basically, they completely changed the animal to suit their jp-ness
barren zephyr
To be fair maggy will be like a dino u see rly rarely because isnt too powerfull or strong
valid zephyr
If utah was going to stay 500kg, it would need a model upsize to look correct.
barren zephyr
Im interested in dilo, hope isnt going to be trash in evrima
paper oriole
I doubt it will
barren zephyr
And i saw they didnt changed the scale of it
paper oriole
Its going to be a drug dealer
paper oriole
Not really
It has venom and nv
It doesnt need insane bleed
It will make you hallucinate
barren zephyr
Venom suck till day so is good 50% of the time
paper oriole
It’ll disorient targets, probably be great at attacking pairs of players
barren zephyr
Hallucination wont hurt him will only annoy and desorient him
paper oriole
Well a lot of dinos will suck at night so its fair
barren zephyr
Ye
valid zephyr
Hope we get some herbivore nocturnals. So far it's only dilo and troodon
paper oriole
Hallucinations can cause panicking players to friendly fire or not know where the dilo is
Yeah dryo and taco for a start for herbi nocturnals would be nice
barren zephyr
Uk when the game will acctually be scary ?
When they add humans and at night dilos will attack
valid zephyr
dryo, ava OR dibble, and magy would be my preferred herbi nocturnals.
barren zephyr
Dryo will be cool after the burrow thing will be ready
valid zephyr
hispy is the one which should be absolutely diurnal, as it's absolutely fabulous and needs everyone to see its colours.
barren zephyr
I wish they make hypsi as big as a utah
But hey they wanned a lil defenceless dino to be swallowed ahole by carnis
urban flax
Why tf should hypsi be as big as utah ?
valid zephyr
But hey they wanned a lil defenceless dino to be swallowed ahole by carnis
You have galli for that.
and pachy
barren zephyr
Ye lol
valid zephyr
It's not some battle deathmatch game where all playables should be equal and fight each other.
It's about survival, and small things survive in different ways.
barren zephyr
But pachy wont be that defenceless against med tyer dinos they can charge at them and run away
valid zephyr
break carnos leg and then nope out
barren zephyr
Well will be against cera maby allo
urban flax
@tired tiger You're literally talking about locational damage, which already exists.
tired tiger
Ok
still raptor
Balancing an entire faction off of one playable is a bad idea.
urban flax
Balancing an entire faction off of one playable is a bad idea.
No, that's something many games do. There is always one character, or unit or whatever that is the base of balance. It's basically "this one is balanced. If it's considered too strong, that's because other ones are too weak. If it's too weak, that's because other ones are too strong"
still raptor
Oh
sonic cloud
We already have Utah. No further discussion required
still raptor
Thats already in the game. Base dinosaur for each fraction is Utah and Tenonto
Quite literally
urban flax
Yeah I guess the suggestion is to change from Utah to Cera as the baseline for carnivore balance
sonic cloud
Why
still raptor
Why?
sonic cloud
Utah is already in-game
urban flax
Well ask him
barren zephyr
basing balance off cerato 👎
sonic cloud
@urban flax You’re the genius who suggested it. Stand up for your own idea
barren zephyr
Mashed (beaf) did
urban flax
<@271991689072214016> You’re the genius who suggested it. Stand up for your own ...
What ? No, go back in general feedback
still raptor
Like what is with people and this Cerato reinsurgence
Its like the second coming of Christ
barren zephyr
Cerato is suppose to be scavenger-like.
It's not suppose to be fighting but more so stealing food 
sonic cloud
Christ I’m surprised anyones defending that idea
barren zephyr
and Cerato isn't even out, nor is it planned to be in any of the new updates. (4-6)
Why balance others off it
still raptor
Exactly
sonic cloud
“MuH fAvOuRiTe”