general-feedback-discussion

[solar quarry]

Make it AI, give a different playable sauropod. Problem solved

[rare fractal]

Yeah if they inflate it's size by like 10-20% of it's actual size and keep it exclusively oriented for forest life it can work

[dreamy bison]

this

[hoary dawn]

that's a waste of a model tho

[solar quarry]

Having AI magy wouldn't be a waste

[hoary dawn]

it would when there are already gonna be ambient animals that server the same function

[dreamy bison]

Good food for Utah, or for upcoming carnivores like cera

[hoary dawn]

having fodder ai just to feed carnivores is bad

[rare fractal]

It also would be a waste of a dino that's already received development as a playable

[solar quarry]

Having variety is not an issue

[hoary dawn]

its not, but making a playable ai only when there's no good reason not to make it playable is an issue

[rare fractal]

What delegitimizes magy as far as viability goes?

[still raptor]

We don't know

Other than "tastes bad"

and CC

[rare fractal]

Conceptually speaking

[still raptor]

Tastes bad and CC

Only things we know

[hoary dawn]

conceptually we haven't seen much of what they plan on making magy do

[dreamy bison]

I don’t think magy has good adaptations to help with carnivores that are the same size as it

[solar quarry]

Lol it's defense is "tastes bad"

[still raptor]

It does. It can body a Cerato.

[rare fractal]

Well Magy's whole niche is remaining in forests, it will only have to deal with similarly sized carnivores most of the time. The "faster than an allo" idea was scrapped

Thankfully

It won't be very fast

Faster than a stego, slower than a teno

[still raptor]

It's so fucking atrocious. Like you could've given it actual tools like trample, bipedal run, stomp, etc.

[rare fractal]

Oh ikr

[dreamy bison]

Trample could be cool

[rare fractal]

That's a dumb idea, knowing isle players that won't stop anyone from taking it down

[solar quarry]

It's too small for that. It's like the size of Utah

[rare fractal]

Trample would be great

[still raptor]

Around 35kmph is its max on quads. 40 is pushing it for its biped run

[dreamy bison]

You body check someone then step on them lol

[still raptor]

It's 1,300 kg, not 450kg

[rare fractal]

Magy doesn't have a bipedal run

[hoary dawn]

i very much doubt it will have a bipedal run

[rare fractal]

Hmmm? No it's larger than a cera in game

[hoary dawn]

prehistoric wildlife

[rare fractal]

Irl magy is irrelevant to the game

[still raptor]

Conceptually speaking. If they were to do bipedal. Plus bipedal run makes it ok-ish at escaping predators within a dense enviornment.

[still raptor]

......

[solar quarry]

Well we want to keep the animal at least relatively close to IRL

[dreamy bison]

Give magy armour maybe, which gives bleed resist and can maybe let it body check people for cc and bone break, and obviously take less dmg

[still raptor]

Hold on

[rare fractal]

A bipedal titanosaur is actually the worst image I could possibly have

[hoary dawn]

magy doesn't look like it would be faster running bipedaly at all

[rare fractal]

No that's never been a standard for this game

Utah, spino, Troodon even existing in the game at all

[hoary dawn]

beipi

[dreamy bison]

Maybe magy is just meant to be another troll Dino and that’s all

[hoary dawn]

what

[dreamy bison]

But you are trolling yourself by playing it

[rare fractal]

Yeah paleo accuracy is an inconsistent guideline for the devs

[rare fractal]

Biggest flex on the community

Release a dino specifically designed to be boring to play

xD

[dreamy bison]

Biggest flex: raise a magy to adult

Maybe magy will be able to eat any plant or something as it’s specialty, since it was originally in the diet update

[still raptor]

I can definitely see Magy having the same treatment as Teno against a pack of Utahs.

[rare fractal]

Well it's supposed to have a monopoly on all the plants it's designed to eat

[still raptor]

Against the more reasonable 1,300kg Cerato

[solar quarry]

They could just add playable cows would be as useful as magy

[rare fractal]

Which is why it is poisonous to eat :/

[rare fractal]

Why

[still raptor]

Cool

It's poisonous when dead

That does not help it whatsoever in a fight

[rare fractal]

I think cera may get sized up a tad. In order to bring it more in line with carnos size since carno is so much faster

[rare fractal]

Yeah it shouldn't. That's just a random trait it has

[still raptor]

FUCK OFF WITH THE GENERALIST CERA BRAWLER

Its such a fucking horrible idea

[rare fractal]

Oh oof, well too bad that's kinda what it's designed to be

[still raptor]

Boring too

[still raptor]

Not at all

[rare fractal]

y

[still raptor]

Cerato was intentially supposed to be a cannibalistic small tier bullier, that eats putrid gore.

That's why we have the 14 new additions coming to Evrima

Literally

50/50 magy

Not supposed to punch up to midtiers like Carno

Maybe with 2 or 3 Ceras

If you want a generalist brawler

give it to ACRO

[rare fractal]

Acro is enormous

[still raptor]

Hence the generalist brawler

[pulsar lantern]

If something is a generalist brawler it would also be a good corpse bully too, I don't see where you're getting at here.

[rare fractal]

Plus the community did a poll, most people want it to be a generalist brawler

[rare fractal]

Yeah me neither

[still raptor]

ofc the community wants ceratorex

[rare fractal]

If it can't 1v1 a carno it will have serious issues surviving at all considering the speed difference

[pulsar lantern]

Its a game roster of 56 dinos, not every dino is gonna have a neat and tidy unique role in the game. Balancing is more messy than that.

[still raptor]

Again let me grab the quote from hypno

[pulsar lantern]

cool, doesn't mean Cerato would be a good corpse bully if it took 3 cerato players to push one carno off a kill though.

[rare fractal]

Doesn't really mean anything in this context

Combat is an essential part of the game, if an animal like cera is deficient in that area it wouldn't make much sense

That statement from hypno doesn't mean combat isn't a focus of the game, it just means the game isn't designed to be a deathmatch

Making cerato capable of brawling a carno doesn't contradict that

[solar quarry]

⏫

[rare fractal]

Animals fight in nature, animals have long drawn out fights that test their capabilities, this is the design that combat currently promotes in game and most players enjoy that. Being rewarded for your ability to react and adapt in a fight is incredibly cathartic, which is one of the reasons carnivores are so popular

They are biologically required to employ this behavior, and having each prey encounter be a test of how good you are at catching up to your target is pretty 1 dimensional. Those encounters should exist for sure, but having at least 1 other animal you can actually fight with is incredibly interesting

And having creatures that you must escape from can also be interesting

There's a balance there that needs to be met

[paper oriole]

the "not a deathmatch" statement aligns more with like a cera shouldnt stand a chance in a 1v1 with a spino or a utah shouldnt stand a chance in a 1v1 with an anky because not everything should be killing everything, if carno is faster than cera it shouldnt take multiple ceras to beat a carno because cera cant launch around like a utah to escape and make itself viable

[rare fractal]

^

Precisely Miragaia

[solar quarry]

It's allready the case you can throw all the utahs on the server at the Deino it won't kill it

[rare fractal]

Yeah exactly, hypno making that statement really wasn't a revelation to the community, it's already in practice. That was targeted at a select few people that think all dinos should have equal combat encounters

[paper oriole]

utah can kill deino if the deino has a marble brain rolling around in its skull, but yeah an actual fight is like that

[rare fractal]

As it should be, reward skill and focus

[paper oriole]

if you can avoid it and have other options for survival you dont need to be able to kill it

[rare fractal]

And attention

[dreamy bison]

I think Utah v deino on land should be about the same as fighting a stego, if not easier

With good teamwork, you can watch where it is looking to see if you can pounce for free or not

But obviously it will take a while since deino got bleed resist

[sacred moat]

Huh??? Cerato is literally meant to be a corpse bully to creatures smaller or slightly larger(biggest being a carno). In order for it to play such a role it has to be a brawler. That specific role can not be compared to when they first dropped cerato and it was competing with Rex, a hyper apex carnivore

[paper oriole]

Cerato being able to single handedly bully a faster small game ambush hunter off of a body = ceratorex

Ok lol

[manic flint]

Game balance doesn't mean that a velo should be able to solo a spino
It means that in any given confrontation, the creature need to be able to either
Flee
Or
fight

Cerato cannot flee from a carno, so it must be able to fight it

[sacred moat]

They heard the term ceratorex and ran a marathon with it

[paper oriole]

I guess cerato being viable makes it ceratorex to them lol

[manic flint]

Yup

[paper oriole]

Kray hates cera or something

[sacred moat]

Has to

That’s the only way that argument makes sense

[paper oriole]

Cerato basically needs to at least be able to stand up to carno on equal terms or he's kinda fucked

[manic flint]

It's literally the same argument for teno
Due to speed differences, matchups between the 3 should go
Cerato > Teno > Carno
If it's not like this cera is fucked

[paper oriole]

He should have the upper hand since he will be slower

Idk why people want dinos who don’t control q confrontation to not have a melee advantage against their attackers

[manic flint]

A 45/55 matchup at least

[sacred moat]

Ceratos lock jaw attack should be devastating to a carno

[paper oriole]

Tenonto and cerato should both have the upper hand unless they are successfully charged, cerato and teno matchup should depend on how fast cera will be so idk

[manic flint]

Is it confirmed to have a lock jaw attack?

[sacred moat]

Cera biting down on a carnos skinny neck doesn’t sound like a good time for a carno

[sacred moat]

No but let’s be honest, if it doesn’t most people will riot

[manic flint]

Fair

[sacred moat]

#cerarights

[paper oriole]

Cerato is cool as fuck i hope he get done justice

[manic flint]

The flee portion of the argument is shaky
Cause it can mean anything fron burrowing to swimming away

And cera supposedly has a good swim speed

If they make that argument tho I'll be mad

[regal elm]

Cera should have a stronger bite and comparable health to carno bc carno is a lightly built small prey specialist, not a brawler

[sacred moat]

Exactly

[manic flint]

#GiveCeraHeadArmour

[paper oriole]

That can be taken in to account but cerato isnt aquatic, arboreal or burrowing. It's suggested in his concept that he is an above average swimmer for a terrestrial but it shouldnt always have to be near water to have a chance against carnos

[manic flint]

Exactly

Just cause carno is bigger doesn't mean it's stronger

[paper oriole]

Like herrera can suck against a troodon because he can eaaily escape into the trees so he is still viable

[regal elm]

It just makes more sense for carno to not do well against big things; that's why stego and teno commonly whoop its ass

[sacred moat]

Brawler troodon

[manic flint]

And sucho can still be slow but water

[paper oriole]

Actually idk how big herra and troodon are in comparison but w/e lol

[manic flint]

And minmi's entire existance

[sacred moat]

No, I get what you’re saying lmao

[paper oriole]

Carno should he a hit and run sort of guy, he shouldnt want to fight a cera or teno unless he outnumbers them or is desperate

[manic flint]

Yea

[regal elm]

Based

[manic flint]

If a can get an ambush and knock them over
Good on the carno

[regal elm]

Carnos ideal prey should be small enough that it can grab it and run, like a dryo or juvie animals, but can go for slightly bigger if it's pushed

[paper oriole]

If it lands a charge then it should be rewarded with the head start in the fight yeah

If it waltzes in for an actual fight he should expect to get minced

[sacred moat]

tbh if a carno loses the element of surprise, the biggest Dino it should 1v1ing is a Utah

[paper oriole]

For the most part yeah

Or low skill people in his weight range

[sacred moat]

How would you guys feel about Utah getting a new mechanic for its pounce in the blood and gore update? That new mechanic being the ability to slow prey items down from constant muscles damage

Like for example, if two Utah’s pounce a teno, the teno shouldn’t be able to move as fast due to the Utah ripping and tearing away at its muscles

[dreamy bison]

Yes

It should already be like that because of Utah’s weight

[sacred moat]

It more so would be used against mid tiers like carno and teno, and it should obviously take waaay longer to slow something down like a deino/stego/trike

[paper oriole]

Amazing suggestion

Lots of thought put in to it i see

[dreamy bison]

Well said

[feral solstice]

It’s so concise, so precise, so organized.. this is the best piece of information and suggestions I’ve ever seen

[still raptor]

Carno seems like it will hunt pseudo-mids/creatures its size. But hopefully Carnos diet is ontogenous so it does hunt smaller creatures as it grows til an adult. Another reason why I would Carnos upsize to 2,100 kg again.

2,100 kg Carno also helps it against tenonto

Which Teno killing a carno (w/ Tail slams) is faster than a Carno killing a teno from what I've been told.

[paper oriole]

As it should be

If a carno lets itself get slammed on it deserves it

[still raptor]

Teno isn't a midtier

[paper oriole]

Mid tier is like 2-4 ton range right

[still raptor]

I think so

[paper oriole]

How heavy is cera even planned to be if its revealed

[still raptor]

Who knows

Can be from 1 ton, 1,300 kg or 1,600 kg.

From what the devs have said, balance would determine its size

But if I'm being honest, I don't know if they'll use 1,600 Cerato because it was based off of a footprint and a single tooth.

Feels like an stretch

I mean hell

1 ton cera could have its way with a carno

Maroon Cera - 1,600kg
Red Cera - 1,300kg
Pink Cera - ~1,000 kg Cera

[wanton hull]

@daring sequoia @pale storm Can people stop suggesting flesh grazing hypothesis. Planet dinosaur doesnt have the best track record of scientific accuracy. This also plays into the old believe that herbivores are slow and defenseless and carnivores cruel cold blooded killers which isnt the case. A fully grown humpback whale is hardly defenseless against a pod of orcas. They are just so massive that one hit with their flippers or tail can severely injure or even instantly kill a adult orca. Like wise a Mapu would have to be even more careful because if they fell over they could have broken their bones and which is often a death sentence.

Gameplay wise this would heavily encourage mixpacking. Apexes would be camping their herd and harvesting their meat like bloody farmers. Do you understand why this is a dumb idea as a gameplay mechanic. Its also incredibly boring for the saurapod players since they are literally cattle.
Also cant help myself. We have no evidence of mapu being pack hunter unlike what planet dinosaur claimed. There are many cases of animals dying in big gatherings and being fossilized, too many to get into.

[rare fractal]

Paleo accuracy doesn't matter in this game, other than that the gameplay catastrophe that would be this mechanic is something I entirely agree on

[paper oriole]

It also just gives carnis an incentive to follow around a slow sauropod nonstop and make their gameplay experience trash

Toxic mecbanic

[urban flax]

Herrera likely getting flesh grazing moment

[wanton hull]

Its a shame really, I enjoy the isle mostly for its representation of dinosaurs and the lack of scientific focus really bugs me

[paper oriole]

Herrera is puny it probably wouldnt be too harmful

[rare fractal]

Unless it was a dietary nightmare for whatever consumed it outside of apexes

[pale storm]

You wasted an entire paragraph to tell me something I already understand, no duh people would be camping and spamming. It's just a stupid suggestion that sounds cool on paper, I don't expect anyone to consider it.

[paper oriole]

Herrera probably dies if a teno looks at it too hard lol

[rare fractal]

Well you can always play POT, cuz this game is essentially JP with different lore

It's not attempting to have paleo accuracy and it never has been a standard the devs maintain

[wanton hull]

I think its a shame since if this game is successful could be the inspiration of the next generations paleontologist similar to JP and WWD

[rare fractal]

Well it can still do that

And does

[paper oriole]

The only thing that kinda bothers me is how some dinos like kentrosaurus and allosaurus are pretty much on-point accuracy and then you have utah, anky and spino

[sacred moat]

Saaaaammmeeeeeee

[paper oriole]

They look like they are from different games

[rare fractal]

Yeah, but that's again explained through lore

[urban flax]

That moment when Magic:The Gathering dinosaurs are more accurate than The Isle

[paper oriole]

Like at least give them cool fictional names

[wanton hull]

lol

[urban flax]

Except for the size

[wanton hull]

will i get banned if i complain about this guy 👉

[rare fractal]

Do it in dms if you must, because I honestly don't know

[urban flax]

I guess not since people do it all the time

[paper oriole]

People shit on the devs' decisions relatively regularly so probably not

[rare fractal]

Ahh so it's prolly fine

[paper oriole]

As long as its not like hostile af its probably whatever

[wanton hull]

but I think its against the rules to complain about one person in particular

[sacred moat]

I mean if it’s constructive criticism about his direction on the game, it shouldn’t be? But if it’s a personal attack I wouldn’t

[paper oriole]

Yeah personal attacks are against the rules most likely, for obvious reasons

[pale storm]

On a basic and legal level, constructive criticism is perfectly fine.

You can't get upset at someone or take action for that.

[wanton hull]

Id just respectfully be pointing out that many on the isle teams seems to be interested the more scientific part of paleontology but dondi and some others are taking the game into a more sci-fi direction and I think thats pretty disrespectful against the paleontologist.
They work hard to try change the publics opinion away from the outdated JP or inaccurate JW and yet we continue to try to cater to peoples nostalgia.

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-sweating-wet-gif-7398449

awaiting ban

[still raptor]

I wouldn’t call it disrespecting paleontology at all

[urban flax]

I don't think that many devs that chose to work on a sci-fi game would feel "disrespected" for having to make inaccurate dinos
It's part of the essence of the game they're working on

[rare fractal]

Honestly, I can't see that as disrespectful considering how sci-fi this game is

Plus it wouldn't be disrespectful regardless

[still raptor]

Lore wise or even game wise this is no where near disrespectful. The game is creating their own designs for creatures with specific niches and playstyles. Its like saying that Ark or any game that has no accurate dinos is disrespectful to paleontology. Plus Paleontology is never ending. We’ll always find new things that contradict or improve things or ideas we have thought of.

Hell, Saurian is already inaccurate

[paper oriole]

A real utahraptor would be unviable in the isle i think

[rare fractal]

Yeah pretty much, you can't have all of these animals coexisting without fictionalizing them

[paper oriole]

I agree it should be renamed though. Idk like apolloraptor or velociovenator or some shit, it isnt even a modded utahraptor it's a completely fictional design

[still raptor]

Novaraptor apollonis my creation

[rare fractal]

Wouldn't even matter tbh

[wanton hull]

Its a fine line, since if we made all dinos scientifically accurate theyd all be very similar to each other

[paper oriole]

Honestly wouldnt mind that

Like having a jp raptor is what ever, it's boring and uncreative but hey a lot of people like that, it should just carry a fictional name then

Its like if they added a deviljho clone and called it rex

[rare fractal]

They could do it, the universe of the game allows that

[paper oriole]

It wouldnt even look out of place with the shit we have lol

[wanton hull]

But I think Utah crosses the line of being too catering to JP fans while carnos charge while not accurate helps make it unique

[paper oriole]

Utah is just downright shameless

It isnt like tenonto or beipi who are the devs' own creative fictionalization

Its a straight up copy

[wanton hull]

honest opinion ground hawk is much cooler and i dont understand why it hasnt made it to the big screen

[paper oriole]

Giving it a fictional name just makes sense

Lot of weirdos think feathers make it ‘not scary’ ‘too cute’

Like uh what

People think bears look cute but if they see one walking towards them irl they will shit themselves

[wanton hull]

I have this mod for skyrim that turns bears into big fluffy fur balls. They are so much more scary when you see them up close. The fur really makes them feel massive and ominous

utah would probably feel similar

[paper oriole]

symbiotic relationships could be cool if done right but i do not think any dinos should just randomly get parasites and rely on other dinos to relieve them of the debuff

[urban flax]

@barren zephyr Trolling isn't allowed in #general-feedback

[barren zephyr]

Who says I'm trolling

[urban flax]

I'm just giving you a friendly advice before a mod sees you and bans you

[paper oriole]

is this the same guy who said "add marine animals or die" earlier

[barren zephyr]

They won't ban me over that they'll just mute me or something lol

[barren zephyr]

Yes do you want an autograph

[urban flax]

I'm pretty sure Gar once said that trolling in general feedback channel can result into a ban

[barren zephyr]

Oh damn

The comments gone I'm safe

[hoary dawn]

i mean ban or not intentionally breaking a rule isn't really what you wanna be doing

[barren zephyr]

It was a joke

[hoary dawn]

yea

[paper oriole]

a first offense probably wouldnt lead to a ban but you are a repeat offender if they had caught you so who knows

also depends on which mod catches you and the mood they are in i think lmao

[barren zephyr]

I'm not a repeat offender

[safe galleon]

"I will not come back"
stays in the discord

[karmic plank]

It's great to want to have a dinosaur simulator but it needs to be a playable game first

Full realism rarely results in a fun game

[ivory summit]

can someone pin the chat where yo u can ask dev questions

[karmic plank]

one of the moderators might be able to, but none of us white names can

[safe galleon]

closest thing would be #isle-discussion when there are cevs talking in there, otherwise there's not really a channel meant for only questions

[ivory summit]

ok thanks

[barren zephyr]

[odd sedge]

Yo what the fck, that has to be a troll right?

[manic sun]

@wanton hull u can go into steam settings and activate show fps in-game

[wanton hull]

Why the work around though

[manic sun]

dunno

[barren zephyr]

it's so stupid that after eating an entire tetno a croc isn't full

I litteraly ate the server to get full

what even is that

I know why adults carnivores seems to be ultra rare now

they need to eat a amount of food so hight that it just simply don't exist on the server

I'm playing a adult deino in center, all I see are little carnos starving and adult raptor if not most of the time subs looking at simple traps on the shores because they are alone unable to eat enough from their hunts if they can even hunt.

[earnest gull]

I will say on fish respawning, I've seen some respawning, but also at a different time, on a different server with different conditions, none at all, and the most notable change was a larger deino presence, meaning more crowded water which I think may have an effect to it.

[swift dew]

@urban bear irl utah would go extinct in the isle, it is only a little bit heavier than ours (being around 500kg at the higher estimates) and only slightly faster than an irl rex iirc, which let me remind you, is much chonker than our thin rex. utah only worked irl because there was just no predators bigger than it in its ecosystem.

[lavish quail]

realism would be the downfall of the isle

[rare fractal]

Takes literally 15 irl years to grow a Utah to full

At that point dying in game would give you an identity crisis

[manic sun]

reality and game merge lol

[lavish quail]

30 years for the brachy-

bro wtf is wrong with this game rn-

my steg on official 2 is gone

cause fuck safe log i guess

i hate that glitch-

[tight lantern]

@wanton hull there is a way. I'm away from my PC right now and can't verify but I believe it's done actually through your Steam settings to get the FPS ticker to show. Perhaps someone here knows for sure that can check at the moment

[lavish quail]

it also appears if your an admin

welp time to think of something cool

might draw some concept art for some nesting spots

[tight lantern]

It really sucks. Do this instead:

Do not safe log and instead quick log, but before doing so leave group before logging. Even if you're not in a group, go to your character menu and leave group anyways and then immediately quick log. Every time you open the character panel the game automatically places you in a "group" where you are the only in group member. Click leave group and then immediately quick log and you're (likely) to be saved. I tried this trick with a Steg I was growing yesterday for testing and it worked.

[lavish quail]

im not getting another steg

[urban bear]

estimated weight 300-500kg estimated speed is 25-30 mph or about 40 kmph ESTIMATED by the way, and yes its slower then what we currently have but because this is a video game and NOT real life you can downsize our current utah even further to make it a low low tier bring the utahraptor in and since it has a very wide weight range and its speed like many other dinosaurs its not confirmed you can make it about 650 or a bit more or less then make it run a bit faster then estimated. and i think your also forgetting that utahraptor hunted things like iguanadon which means it was most likely a bit faster and lighter then estimated, if its this huge chonk like you say it is where does it get the energy to kill such large animals?

[ebon girder]

ur point was that our utah is too small to call it utah, our utah is as big as irl utah tho so i dont see ur problem

@wanton hull use steam overlay

[still raptor]

@lavish quail Instead of having pre-made areas that are "nesting grounds", I would personally like terrain to be slowly altered over time due to herbis nesting in that given area.

But I don't think that servers could handle it.

I do think it's possible, just very expensive on server resources.

[lavish quail]

that requires more time to design but it would be cool to see abandoned nest spots where you can place your nest with faster speed

like say in pocket pool at the back there is a prenested area you can go in

[swift dew]

I never said it was a huge chonk, I said it was 500 kg. it hunted things like iguanodon because it was built extremely robust for a dromaeosaur, there was no other carnivores of its size or larger in its area, if an allo or a carno showed up, it would go extinct in a heartbeat. your main point was that our utah is tiny compared to irl utah, and it isnt really

[urban bear]

its on the lower scale of the estimated weight, and if its robust enough to take down iguanadon if an allo showed up first off it could just run, second if theres more then 2 of them they would be able to kill it if not get very close, carno turns like a bus they wouldn't have a problem out maneuvering it or killing it with 2 of them and carno can always just run away from them if they are to strong.

[swift dew]

again, real utah was slow and not agile, it would get bodied

[lavish quail]

@urban bear that would kinda work]

but humans might be able to kick you out

and take back the place

[urban bear]

yeah but that's the whole risk you run, humans are going to have limited supplies and if you grow enough of an army you should be able to hold it down as raptors

[lavish quail]

tbf you should be able to nest anywhere

but nesting in port could be scary

[urban bear]

real utah was agile enough to kill most animals in its eco system big and small, your acting like it turns like a carno, it was still more agile then any mid tier animal in the isle and fast enough to evade them

[urban bear]

i think your going to be able to nest in most places because nesting will be like a building quest instead of just holding b

[lavish quail]

yeah

it should be like find blank and add it to nest

[lavish quail]

its ecosystem was tiny

[urban bear]

and once again i never said go for perfect accuracy you can always tweak things

[lavish quail]

real utah sucks ass

[urban bear]

yes it was not that big but it still had some rather though prey it hunted

[lavish quail]

slow and feathery -_-

[urban bear]

not even that slow

40 kmph

and theres also lots of people that like the look of feathers

and utah is also not confirmed to have feathers as they have not been found with them

[swift dew]

actually, it wasn't agile, at all. it didn't need to be. it wasn't as bad as carno, but it isnt anywhere close to our current utahs and you see how hard it bodies them, even with their agility.

[lavish quail]

realism sucks

isle utah bests utah

[urban bear]

no its not near our current utah but that would be the trade of for power, you get less agility and more damage and hp

[urban bear]

once again i didnt say go for realism you can always tweak and change things

[lavish quail]

isle utah best utah.

[urban bear]

I love the isles utah but i just dont like the jp ripoff model

its unoriginal

[swift dew]

its not even by much though, you get 50 more hp, and sure, you get more damage, but you're hp is going to fail you

[lavish quail]

its always been but it looks awesome

[urban bear]

who said it had to be 500 kg, it could be up to 1000 kg

[urban flax]

Wait for the feathered option then

[swift dew]

ah yes, the one ton utahraptor

[urban bear]

not 1 ton

never said make it that high

[swift dew]

1000 kg is one ton

[urban bear]

i said you can go up that high

not once did i say make it 1000kg

thats just the limit

name where i said make it one ton

[lavish quail]

no its not

[urban bear]

i'll wait

[lavish quail]

700kg is ridiculous already

[urban bear]

estimated was 300-1000

[swift dew]

this literally implies that you want it to be one ton

and no, utah is not even close to 1 ton

[urban bear]

no thats me saying it can go up to 1 ton

[swift dew]

the max estimates are 500 kg

[urban bear]

i dont want the 1 ton utah

[lavish quail]

if there was a 1 ton utah i would kill myself

[urban bear]

legacy

[lavish quail]

exactly

[urban bear]

im not saying make it 1k

im saying you can make it anywhere in that range

[swift dew]

ok so my point still stands. 50 more hp

[urban bear]

nobody said it had to be 500

make it like 650 with buffed damage

[lavish quail]

nooo please dont

i like my utah

[urban flax]

If you want paleo-accurate Utah it has to be 500 kg tho

[lavish quail]

he will be awesome for packing down large creatures

and he do be good at chasing smol bois

[urban bear]

i didnt say make it paleo accurate

once

[urban flax]

Was'nt it the point of the conversation ?

[lavish quail]

this argument has been going on for weeeks

just let our poor boi be

[urban bear]

to have separate bigger utah from the current one and rename the other to novaraptor

thats the argument

[swift dew]

"lets take utahraptor and make it the size it should be, except 150 kg heavier than the highest size estimate"

[urban bear]

yes the size it should be

[lavish quail]

thats a dumb argument

[urban bear]

how

[lavish quail]

everyone hates it

[urban bear]

the devs have the rights to primal carnage

why not make it nova raptor

[urban flax]

It would make both too much apart from the rest of the roester
Novaraptor would be the only one that gets a fictional name among all the genetically modified dinos, and accurate Utah would be useless in the roster

[urban bear]

troodon

[urban flax]

Troodon didn't have a fictional name when it was announced

[urban bear]

doest even exists

[lavish quail]

no one wants dino clones

[swift dew]

when did they anounce troo?

[urban flax]

Also the troodon genus is still susceptible to be valid again someday

[urban bear]

how is it going to be a clone

[lavish quail]

a nova raptor is just a utah and a smaller utah would be a clone of the nova raptor

[urban bear]

its bigger stronger and slightly slower

[urban flax]

At the very beginning of evrima I guess ? Maybe earlier

[urban bear]

its like a high low tier

[lavish quail]

clone.

[swift dew]

because troo became an invalid genus in 2017, not sure when though

[lavish quail]

it just gives legacy vibes

[urban bear]

how would it give legacy vibes

if its no the same as in legacy

once again i didnt say make it 1000kg

[urban flax]

Oh I thought it was way more recent than that

[lavish quail]

in legacy there was 4 sizes of triceratops

no difference

[urban bear]

i hope you know most of them are coming back

but because its evrima and not legacy they will all have different and unique abilitys

[lavish quail]

i hope they dont and i hope they make everything unique like they have so far

[urban bear]

you can make ceratopsians unique

[urban flax]

Then what would make Utaharaptor unique from Novaraptor apart from slightly higher HP and damage, and worse agility ?

[swift dew]

another point I would like to make
we don't need small tier carnivore #507128

[lavish quail]

atleast one of them would be a herbi carno

[urban flax]

For comparison Trike will be an apex murderer in evrima, Ava will (maybe) be a burrower and focus on hiding, diablo might be a mid-tier skewer than runs fast

[urban bear]

its the bigger stronger option, it needs less numbers to hunt you could so some type of different pounce ability for it and mor

[urban flax]

Worse dilo then ?

[urban bear]

yes and novaraptor would be the mid to low tier killer while the utah would be able to hunt more larger mid tiers

[swift dew]

so a small stat difference

[urban bear]

dilo and the bigger utah would be a close fight

[urban bear]

who said it was small

[swift dew]

the nature of the difference between a 500 kg animal and 450 kg one

its just common sense

[honest sparrow]

It’s actually the exact same problem ovi and nova had in PCE for the longest time

[urban bear]

again who said it was gonna be 500kg

estimated is anywhere from 300-1000kg

[swift dew]

its not

[urban bear]

it is tho

[swift dew]

idk where you heard that, but it is wrong

[urban bear]

its not tho

[urban flax]

Reasonable expectations are between 500 and 700 kilos, more trending towards the 500 kg estimate

[urban bear]

thats why im saying make it like 600 with larger bite force

[swift dew]

so, like I said. a small stat difference

[lavish quail]

UTAH IS DE UTAH

[urban bear]

the current utah would be more of a small game hunter because of its better agility and the new one would be more pointed to large game because its less capable of hunting small game

[urban flax]

I don't understand all that fuss around Utah tho
It's not the least accurate dino in the roster

[urban bear]

its one of them

[urban flax]

It would become a worse carno then ?

[swift dew]

so you want two creatures with a slight stat difference, and you want utah to try for carnos niche. got it

[urban bear]

no because its not built for speed and hunting low game

[urban flax]

Then what is it built for ?

[urban bear]

carno if the definition of a small game hunter

[lavish quail]

utah is utah-

[urban bear]

it would be made to hunt mid tiers and small animals then it if needed

[swift dew]

carno is not a mid tier killer

[urban flax]

We're talking about novaraptor

[urban bear]

i said carno is the definition of a small game hunter 2 seconds ago

but ok

[lavish quail]

please utah should stay the same

[urban bear]

nobody said it shouldnt

[lavish quail]

it will be able to jump off in the direction it wants to soon

[swift dew]

im so confused. you said that current utah should be a small game hunter. then said it should be a mid tier hunter

[urban bear]

i said the CURRENT utah should be a small game hunter while the new bigger one would be more geared to hunting mid tiers

[lavish quail]

OR

[urban bear]

so the one renamed to novaraptor would be the small game hunter while the larger would be more of a large game killer

[lavish quail]

we dont add a clone

and add what we already have confirmed before fucking up the balance with an out of nowhere dino

[urban flax]

Or the current one should remain as a big game hunter, using its far superior speed, agility and pack tactics to tackle big prey

[swift dew]

so "novaraptor" would go for the same niche as carno, like I said

[urban bear]

yes but with the crazy thing called the diet system you can make them have completely different game play

it also gives carno some competition

[urban flax]

Different diets ? Is that your definition of a unique animal ?

[urban bear]

no thats one aspect of it

[swift dew]

[urban flax]

It's like the person who suggested adding purrusaurus along with deino to give it competition

[lavish quail]

adding a nova raptor fucks up the balance and the schedule and everything

[swift dew]

deino will have maia on its diet, and purru would have teno on its diet, unique animal

[lavish quail]

totally totally unique

[urban flax]

The guy suggested purru would be like deino but slightly stronger so it can kill deino and resolve the deino overpopulation problem

[swift dew]

[lavish quail]

causing a purru overpopulation?

[urban bear]

again said thats one aspect of it but you dont seem to read soooooo

[urban flax]

[urban bear]

you act like carno is going to be the only small game hunter when we have about 40 ish planned animals

[swift dew]

its not deino overpopulation is it? then problem solved

[lavish quail]

tf are you waiting for

im waiting for 1 more

[urban bear]

like what the hell is monolophosaurs gonna do

or rugops

[swift dew]

you're right, herra is going to hunt small game by jumping on them from trees, while carno is going to hunt small game by running into them.

[urban bear]

so rugops and monolophosaurs, both around the size of our current utah what are they gonna do

[lavish quail]

lol you can do that with utah rn

theres certain trees you can climb

and jumpscare people

#general-feedback message Boosting my suggestion 🙂

cause its cool and i want it

and it makes hypsi viable

[honest sparrow]

Both are bad and I wish were scrapped, but both are essentially blank canvases you can do whatever with

They also don’t have the limitation of being a carno in a utahs body

[sonic cloud]

Probably should be scrapped tbh

[paper oriole]

Did somebody really suggest piss and admit they want it for inappropriate troll reasons

[lavish quail]

yeah

[odd sedge]

I still doubt Herra will just settle for smalls.
The trees are its safe space. You give people a safe space to flee to and they will become reckless. Just like some Ptera and Dryo took on Stegos and Deinos - because they could flee and just get away if things got risky

[swift dew]

actually yeah, herra will be encouraged to go for things larger than it, but just to flesh graze, not to kill. if you want to take something down you are going to have to stick to things around your own size

[lavish quail]

herra should be able to get knocked off a tree by hypsi spit lmao

[odd sedge]

... why that?
It's stomach acid, not a rock

[meager tiger]

What's a novaraptor

[icy lion]

novaraptor is the name of the custom raptor species in primal carnage

[odd sedge]

It shouldn't be able to rub the spit off while climbing but it shouldn't get knocked down

[meager tiger]

I want real dinosaur first

Theres so many real ones

[odd sedge]

Too Bad, Troodon is already in the roster

[lavish quail]

they would be blind do

so i mean

[meager tiger]

Troodon is based on a real clade

?

It's like adding "Dog" instead of pitbull

[paper oriole]

Utah already doesnt look anything like a real dino so why not give it a fictional name

[paper oriole]

No need for ptera to regen stam at all while gliding

Its already capable of covering the map without putting itself in any danger

[alpine owl]

for realism

[paper oriole]

lol

No

[alpine owl]

l ol

Yes

[paper oriole]

We should make it so that if youre running and hit a pebble you can trip and mangle your leg too because realism

[odd sedge]

We should also add random heart attacks for realism

[paper oriole]

you should just randomly get a tooth infection and die from it and you cant do anything about it

[sacred moat]

The only thing keeping ptera from being a braindead dinosaur to play, is the fact that you have to somewhat know how to manage your stamina during flight

[meager tiger]

If tetadactyl could land on trees and perch maybe I'd agree. But currently the only somewhat safe spot to roost is large rocks. I think tetadactyl is small enough to rest on large branches

[paper oriole]

well maybe if there was a tetadactyl in the game

[meager tiger]

Teradactyl

Not teta

[paper oriole]

lol

[sacred moat]

But Petra can land in trees

[paper oriole]

ptera

nodon

[meager tiger]

It can?

[sacred moat]

I do it all the time???

Yes

[paper oriole]

ptera can land on those big palms ive done it

[meager tiger]

I didn't know

Sorry

[paper oriole]

ptera also has a fuck ton of unreachable rocks

it needs no help

[sacred moat]

Exactly

[paper oriole]

the only possible issue is the fish respawn issue rn

[meager tiger]

Can you takeoff from a rock

[hoary dawn]

ptera can land on every tree in the game currently, some are much harder than others but i've tested them all

[meager tiger]

Or tree

[paper oriole]

yes

[sacred moat]

Yes

Both

[paper oriole]

you can take off from any solid platform

[meager tiger]

Ok

[paper oriole]

you can take off from rocks, trees, the radio tower

[meager tiger]

Maybe they should add wind

[hoary dawn]

hopefully tree hitboxes get a major rework when herra gets in so ptera cant just rest wherever but for now the only thing that makes ptera vulnerable is drinking

[meager tiger]

And wind direction

[paper oriole]

they have thermals planned

idk if they still do

but they showcased it

not that ptera even needs it

[sacred moat]

Ptera is 🤏 this close from requiring 0 brain cells to play tbh

[meager tiger]

Teradactyl can use currents but sometimes it might hinder it

Wind can maybe affect smell radius

For all animals

[paper oriole]

if they add thermals to make it even easier for ptera to cover the whole map without exposing itself to any danger then it should honestly be nerfed lmao

ive never been killed as a ptera

[sacred moat]

Oh god I forgot they’re adding that

[meager tiger]

It would make traveling not easier or harder

[paper oriole]

i know thermals would make traveling easier thats what i said

[meager tiger]

Because the wind might go against the way your going

[hoary dawn]

there was something said about storms making it hard for ptera to fly as well

[paper oriole]

and if they add them, then ptera should be nerfed

[meager tiger]

Are you not listening

[paper oriole]

yes make pteras get fucked up in severe weather please lmao

[meager tiger]

A bird has a hard time flying against wind then down wind

Anything that flys is like this

Plane, bird, bat,

[sacred moat]

As long as it’s not like bob where ptera dive into tornados for fun

[paper oriole]

BoB is a clusterfuck

[meager tiger]

Yeah completely ignore me good idea

[paper oriole]

huh?

[hoary dawn]

how tf do people get near tornados in bob without dying of stress

[meager tiger]

You think wind soly buffs teradactyl so it needs a nerf

[sacred moat]

5/3 weather resistance

[meager tiger]

When in reality you could get unlucky and fly slower against wind

[paper oriole]

god it hurts to see teradactyl honestly

[meager tiger]

Wasting stamina and time

[paper oriole]

if the pros outweigh the cons in the wind/thermal system it would need a nerf

if it equals out then sure it wouldnt need a nerf

[hoary dawn]

mira's talking about thermals

wind would be neat but it doesn't really add or detract much from gameplay

like thermals

[paper oriole]

wind should for the most part only factor in with storms

[hoary dawn]

yea

[sacred moat]

Thermals + storm weather could hinder the flying capabilities a lot

So I’m all for it

[hoary dawn]

intense wind making it risky to fly in storms forcing pteras to hunker down

very good

[paper oriole]

thermals would make things easier for ptera, storms are a situational effect

[meager tiger]

Wind affects smelling numbskull

No gameplay my ass lol

[paper oriole]

it would be hilarious if flying pteras could get hit with lightning but that would be unfair

[hoary dawn]

skull of the numb variety

[meager tiger]

Predators use wind to their advance

Advantage

[sacred moat]

Omg and a roasted ptera body drops infront of a starving Utah

[meager tiger]

So do prey

[paper oriole]

i think that dinos sitting on metal stuctures should be able to die to lightning while everyone else cant

so you kind of do it to yourself

[meager tiger]

Teradactyl should get struck if it's stupid enough to fly into a storm

[paper oriole]

how would dinos detect wind direction

[odd sedge]

You only die as a Ptera while drinking.
There are so many places for them to chill and skimming, if done right, can even be done in croc infested waters

[meager tiger]

How do you detect wind

[paper oriole]

you feel it

[meager tiger]

It's not that hard

Lol

[paper oriole]

but how do we show that in game without it being intrusive

[hoary dawn]

you cant feel wind in the game

[meager tiger]

Hold Q?

Idk

[paper oriole]

hold q to smell the wind direction lol

[meager tiger]

smell north

[odd sedge]

Mark it on the compass after sniff.
From what direction wind comes from

[paper oriole]

thats as dumb as how compass is connected to q which it shouldnt be

[meager tiger]

Doesn't make sense either

[paper oriole]

compass should be like

[abstract lark]

yes you can just stand on the mountain

[hoary dawn]

me standing on the mountain

[abstract lark]

lick your finger and hold it up you will know what way its going then

[hoary dawn]

well actually, they do be making the grass blow with the wind

so there's that

[meager tiger]

Alright well I gtg to work cya all later

[honest sparrow]

I just wish they made flying more complex so Ptera wasn’t completely stupid

[abstract lark]

dreams crushed

[barren zephyr]

why do ppl up hate pteras so much ? Ptera is fair, it's not a threat to anything apart from hatchlings, so it's balanced that he can fly away from mostly any dangers. However the wind and storm mechanics would be welcome, but it might demand a lot of devellopement.

[paper oriole]

I dont see any ptera hate here, it's just responses to somebody asking for gliding stam regen which is absolutely unnecessary

Its gameplay is pretty mindless and that is just a fact

[manic sun]

yo how about if u hear a call ur UI starts to jerk to the direction the call came from?

[paper oriole]

I mean as a hard of hearing setting option maybe

[manic sun]

cuz rn any dino can stand behind u and if u look at it u hear it loudly but then u turn 180° and it sounds like it´s like 1 mile far away

[paper oriole]

A hard of hearing setting that can add sound queues to the ui in place of actual sound. I think the sounds rn need to be fixed also yeah

Deinos broadcasting sounding the same from 50 feet and 500 yards lol

[swift dew]

@lone kite you aren't taking any bleed, that is just your blood pool growing. it is only a visual glitch, it should be fixed with the next update

[meager tiger]

You should be able to steal cooked meat from humans for double hunger full time

Your food goes down alot slower because cooked meat is easier to digest

[paper oriole]

Why would cooked meat be better for dinos, it has fewer nutrients

Youd also have humans mix packing

[barren zephyr]

my game has been crashing a lot, like five times today

[paper oriole]

Carebearing afk friends

[meager tiger]

Why is it better for cave man evolution

[earnest gull]

Or, since it's talking about just the direction, probably for people who don't have good directional audio.

[paper oriole]

You’d have some human giving their carni friends cooked meat to make things easier for them. Humans also tend to ignore organ meat, bones and cartilage so there is a lot less nutrition to be had

Humans are omnivores, that is why it is fine for us to just eat cooked meat

Just eating cooked meat should offer no bonuses to dinosaurs, it has no extra nutrition

[sacred moat]

I hope they make this a rule break on officials

[paper oriole]

Yeah carebearing is annoying af especially when it involves high impact species

Carebearing some lone compy or hypsi is mostly whatever kind of cringe, but when it comes to actual predators and shit its like no thanks

[sacred moat]

I can already see ptera being a supply scout

[paper oriole]

Pteras used to feed growing utahs and carnos idk if thats still happening with the fish issue and all

Diets should at least make that part harder but pteras scouting out groups for their friends to attack is a yikes that will still happen most likely

[sacred moat]

Hypsi for sure too, it’s literally going to be a human pet

I feel like ptera won’t get affected by diets that much tbh

[paper oriole]

Probably not, it eats fish and scsvenges, hard to fuck that up

[sacred moat]

Like it takes 2 mins to find the closest river and fish

Right

Hopefully they do that annoying screen glitch like in legacy

[earnest gull]

Despite being a carnivore I feel like the Ptera is a more "herbivore" flavoured one, and tbh I kind of like that. It feels more like one to be chosen by people who want to explore more or just fly around, players who maybe just want to chill more or maybe eff around a bit and annoy other dinos by just randomly pecking at them when possible. A Ptera does not have a strong attack or strong health, so it attacking other dinos aside from small ones does not have much of a point. The only good place for attacking as one is in a field, and if it's small enough a smart creature can escape into the treeline where it becomes a higher risk for the Ptera to follow. More obstacles means more likelihood of crashing, meaning more chance to end up open for attack on the ground where it'll quickly be beaten by anything larger.

[sacred moat]

I’m not sure what you mean by ptera feeling a herbivore? It’s a Dino that eats meat and fish. It’s also capable of hunting small juvis.

[still raptor]

Ptera is adapted to skimming for fish, not attacking carnivores

[paper oriole]

I wish they’d add an actual herbi flyer instead of an herbi flavoured carni flyer

[earnest gull]

exactly

[earnest gull]

Because it essentially only needs resources provided by the game world itself and not other players. Just fish instead of plants, and as Krayt said, it's adapted to skimming for fish, so it makes sense, it's not a dinosaur that was for fishing and not exactly regular hunting

[earnest gull]

Also what difference does it make, as really there isn't much of one?

if anything it adds a spice of flavour so that not all carnivores are "hunt this to live"

[paper oriole]

More interaction for herrera for one. Ptera has 0 reason to hang out in the forest

Plus the fact that only one faction has flyers and that faction is already the most popular one only pushes more people away from the other two factions

Carnis have the most niche coverage revealed

[sacred moat]

I hope eggs are also on pteras diet once nesting comes in

Fish crabs and eggs

[earnest gull]

Also were there any actually herbivorous pterosaurs anyway? I imagine it may be hard for the devs to add on if there isn't at least one out there

[earnest gull]

Also yes I love this idea.

[paper oriole]

Tupandactylus often comes up for a frugivore

Ptera would make sense snatching eggs from time to time def

Wouldnt mind seeing tupandactylus and thalassodromeus or something some day to cover herbi and omni

[earnest gull]

Gives it an expanded diet for the diets system, and is an interesting risk reward mechanic for "risk trying to steal from this nest for food or go find some water and then a fishing spot

[sacred moat]

If they really want to give ptera a really cool experience, they should have turtles come on land lay eggs, and the ptera could eat those

[paper oriole]

More risky food would make ptera less braindead to play

[sacred moat]

Turtles laying eggs on the beach could even be a cool mini event for ptera once the eggs hatch

[paper oriole]

Not all pve food to go along with its untouchable flight

[sacred moat]

Like how seagulls feast on hatchling turtles

[earnest gull]

I like the Ptera as it is personally, fishing on a whole is rather fun and I enjoy doing it, as well as not having to worry as much about trying to kill something that a ptera isn't designed to be hunting.

it also sits there as an option for people who want to play a more chill carno, not having to be hostile to everything (or one to fuck around and annoy others my pecking them for no reason)

plus once again, variety, instead of running around on land looking to kill something, you fly around fishing for food. I also like the variety added by the Deino, a more ambush focused one where you kind of have to sit and wait for something to come along to the water.

[paper oriole]

Imo carnivores in generak shouldnt be encouraged to be “chill” and low risk. Pteranodon can survive off fish sure but imo it should only actually get perks and bonuses if it actually goes for more risky foods and behaviours

Otherwise its just a total spectator mode animal

[earnest gull]

And that's what some players may want

[earnest gull]

Also I kind of disagree with this since like, how much good is a ptera going to get trying to actually kill something? It's pointless and only slightly less so with an incentive as you make one mistake and bam, your dead

the easy to kill targets for a ptera such as juvies and babies, very close to the ground and so very hard to hit without crashing (unless it's a dino with a relatively large juvie), whereas larger targets you're less likely to crash into the ground while attacking are near impossible to kill with the ptera's tiny damage output, the Ptera really isn't a PVP dino at all, and would be a horribly unbalanced one because of it's easy escape into the air if it gets a good kill.

heck the Ptera makes sense as more PVE focused for Balance reasons as well as a level of realism

[paper oriole]

eating eggs, hatchlings and large carrion are all more risk than skimming for some fish and should be rewarded while only going for the mos tlow risk option isn't rewarded and probably still isnt punished

a totally non pvp animal is fine but if its on the carni faction it should be encouraged to take risks and not be rewarded for eating fish only

[earnest gull]

Ah yes because carni faction needs to be "kill kill kill risk risk risk"

[feral solstice]

Yes

No easy food

[paper oriole]

carni faction should be about taking more risks to get food, how is eating eggs and scavenging off of large carcasses "kill kill kill" the only thing i listed there that is killing is eating hatchlings

[earnest gull]

creatures should not be restricted to specific things just because of their faction

a carnivore with a more herbie playstyle? Cool, awseome, spices things up

a herbivore with a more carni playstyle? Well really anyone can kind of do that if they just go picking fights

[paper oriole]

who said ptera would be restricted? he just shouldnt be rewarded tor being a total spineless chicken shit

idk how a carni that basically grazes to survive spices things up

[earnest gull]

Because there is no reasonable balance to it I feel

cause again, Ptera's are super weak

[paper oriole]

and? how does that stop them from raiding nests and eating carcasses?

ovi is a small weak animal and its going to raid nests and it is much more vulnerable than ptera since it cant fly

[earnest gull]

but why does a carnivore need to be all "risk risk risk"

Why can't there be a carnivore that is more like a herbivore?

why

[paper oriole]

because thats what that faction is about, why do you want to be a useless paper plane?

useles to the ecosystem

useless waste of a server slot

[earnest gull]

I'm sorry, that I just want to relax and explore, and have a really fucking cool mechanic that is fun to use and allows me to do it a lot

[paper oriole]

i didnt say ptera shouldnt be able to just eat fish, but if all you want to do is float around like a piece of dust then you shouldnt be so upset about the idea of not getting perk rewards for it

[earnest gull]

And I didn't ask to be insulted for liking the play style of the current Ptera

[paper oriole]

where did i insult you?

i am saying pteras who just float around are useless paper planes

[earnest gull]

Hmm yes people can't feel insulted by something unless it's a direct insult

[paper oriole]

its literally what they are, they are just a spectator cam that takes up a server slot

i think pteras who actually take part in the ecosystem should be rwarded with higher capabilities than ones who do nothing and are useless to the ecosystem

[earnest gull]

Although I will say, a paper plane is an apt description of them in terms of facing other creatures, which is kind of exactly why I'm not a fan of any "super risky" idea's, because even with benefits, it doesn't feel very worth it when the chance of benefits can easily be torn away with little control or help.

[paper oriole]

again, what is so horrible about pteras taking risks to raid nests and expose themselves to eat a carcass? neither inherently involves fighting, it only exposes them to the possibility of pvP

im not saying ptera should have to go fist fight a raptor or some shit

it just shouldnt be rewarded for being a useless spectator cam

[earnest gull]

Yeah but if it gets attacked it's pretty quickly dead and/or can't really fight back at all

[paper oriole]

yeah if it gets attacked then it took the risk, a risk reward system

if it isnt paying attention and gets ambushed it loses what, an hour at most?

you shouldnt get rewarded without the risk

[earnest gull]

Also back on the "insulted by something that isn't a direct insult" thing, this here too also was that. Because why wouldn't a ptera player and fan not be insulted by essentially being called braindead

[paper oriole]

idk whats insulting about the fact that ptera has a braindead playstyle

it's just a fact

ptera ca go on without putting itself at risk for anything, it can travel the whole map while being immune to attack from anything

[earnest gull]

Aside from it very easilyfeeling like you're pretty much just calling ptera players themselves braindead?

[paper oriole]

it doesnt have to take risks to eat, and it can scou water risk-free before drinking

no i am saying they can be braindead

not that they are

[earnest gull]

....cool story, doesn't feel any less insulting

[paper oriole]

ptera could be played by somebody with a piece of coal for a brain, not saying ptera players are like that

[meager tiger]

You've been arguing about teradactyls for like my entire shift at work lol

5 hours

[earnest gull]

In fact this wording here has made it feel more insulting so thanks

[paper oriole]

it just started back up like half an hour ago i think lol

[meager tiger]

Oh ok

I was going to say you got anything else to do lol

[paper oriole]

that would be crazy

i think there was a hypsi fight that went on for like 3 hours before

in balance

[meager tiger]

A damn pheasant?

[paper oriole]

yep

[meager tiger]

3 hours

Cringe

[paper oriole]

yeah lmao

[earnest gull]

But yeah I'm sorry I've been a bit defensive of Ptera, because again, it really feels like you've been insulting towards Ptera's/Ptera players, and you know, I'm one of them, so I've felt insulted

[paper oriole]

im juist saying ptera is so damn easy right now, i think they should have to take risks in order to receive perk rewards

i dont intend to insult ptera players, more insulting ptera's play style

or how easy it can be

[meager tiger]

I feel like he's not a teradactyl hater. Hes just a bit defensive about adding new things from what I noticed. Wind, cooked meat, etc ..not just teradactyls

[earnest gull]

That doesn't make it feel insulting though, especially when after bringing up how the "braindead" comment invoked that feeling you responded with "I am saying that they can be braindead not that they are"

like who wouldn't feel insulted by that?

[earnest gull]

Nah more so about how... again, insulted it's kind of been feeling with it.

[paper oriole]

its the same problem i have with microraptor suggestions, micro would be useless to the ecosystem just like a ptera that eats fish and hides on the tip of the radio tower all day

[meager tiger]

Buddy you choose to be offended by a random on the internet whose not talking about you specifically

[paper oriole]

idk ive played ptera more than anything else in evrima probably and im not insulted by how brainless it is

[earnest gull]

I'm sorry that human brains can feel insulted by something close to them.

[meager tiger]

Teradactyl is a bit easy

[paper oriole]

if somebody wants to not engage in any risk i think they do not need or deserve perks

[earnest gull]

Ah yes, because people can feel insulted by their own words.

[paper oriole]

i have never been killed as ptera

its justy so easy

[earnest gull]

Also I personally actually like the idea of wind being something that can effect Ptera's

[meager tiger]

Although I don't like how finicky the controls are for skimming

[earnest gull]

maybe not as anything positive but as a negative

[meager tiger]

Could be lag

[earnest gull]

and more so as, flying with the wind is pretty much the same as it is now, and if the wind is good it's, well normal

[meager tiger]

I end up in the water 25% of the time when I just tap it

[earnest gull]

but with bad wind/flying against it you get slowed down or flying is more difficult or something like that

[paper oriole]

sometimes skimming just feels like it doesnt work but i havent really had an issue with it 95% of the time, the worst thing is the reverse cam where you turn while lookig around but thats mainly just forgettig to take a finger off the movement key

[earnest gull]

yeah looking backwards movement is a bit tricky

[meager tiger]

I think it's just rubberbanding

[earnest gull]

personally I've had no trouble

[paper oriole]

storm weather winds at least should cause some wacky issues for ptera

[earnest gull]

yeah lag may be an effect, my stategy is to mostly get down low with some slight dive and once I'm generally close holding right until I actually glide low enough to start fishing

then just tapping space every so often

[earnest gull]

Yeah this

[meager tiger]

You can be as careful as you want but when the lag spike hits you are gonna end up in the water

[earnest gull]

I don't really get lag spikes,

like rarely maybe but never really had any, especially while skimming

[meager tiger]

I got a 12 year old cpu. And ddr3 Ram. Maybe that's why?

Teradactyl is gonna suffer when humans are added. "Hey guys let's get some KFC" grabs a shotgun with bukshot

[paper oriole]

good luck hitting a flying ptera though lol

imagine gunplay with desync and general lag that would be hilarious

[meager tiger]

I thought people duck hunt with shotguns

[paper oriole]

they do but they dont get lag irl. maybe by then the isle will be properly optimized

[earnest gull]

Meanwhile I've got a intel core i3-10100, a fairly good gpu, and ddr4 ram.

[vast swallow]

I need to say, It's really imposssible to play on center region, the FPS is falling from 40 to 5, what the hell is going on? It's started after the last update

[hoary dawn]

evrima is already leagues better than legacy, they should delete it after the nesting/skin update

[swift dew]

"you like the direction a video game is headed? bootlicker."

gotta love the people who don't have anything to say except bootlicker

[still raptor]

Casually gathers all of the members in this discord

Calls them bootlickers

Doesn't know our personal opinions about the game

I have my own personal opinions on this game and the team. But sitting here and saying they should focus on legacy is absolutely horseshit.

I do agree with some points he makes though

[earnest gull]

Ah yes, ask the team to focus on legacy. Totally won't cause Evrima progress to slow down and make updates even more sparse

[hoary dawn]

pickle swangers

[golden iron]

I can make a gofundme to help get tea-rex out from under the rock they've been living in

[full summit]

Interesting people still talk about Legacy. When the roster and basic functions are in Evrima it will completely blow Legacy out of the water. Like no trace left. I refuse to go back to Legacy. Once Evrima is stable and your favorite dino arrives i find it hard to buy very many people will play legacy.

[golden iron]

evrima already blows legacy out of the universe

the only good things about legacy is more choices and nesting

thats it

and less lag

id rather have some lag then play a game where combat, the main point of the game, is unbalanced, broken and just downright depressing

[strange wave]

ah
the old "you dont agree with me you you're obviously kissing person in charge's ass"
gotta love it

[dreamy bison]

Evrima is going to be a better version of legacy after nesting comes in, just with a different roster. No point fixing legacy when we are already so close to Evrima surpassing legacy in features and performance

[lucid mauve]

People have diffrent opinions, i wouldt even play evrima if they paid me money for it. Legacy is alot better then evrima atm

[pure fossil]

Sometimes I prefer numbers and objectivity talk instead of people saying one thing or another. Look the numbers of people playing Legacy RN and EVRIMA.

There is the reality. No more no less. Want you more? Look them in a whole week. Period.
Numbers are the ones who talk better in terms of “reality”.

In terms of what you like or not, as @lucid mauve said, ppl have different opinions always

[karmic plank]

In my experience hit registration is largely client side. Anyone who's been stego hunting on NA will know the feeling of flying away from a stego then being teleported back to its tail

[lucid mauve]

Could you give an example of how you want it to be balanced? Cus for me its incredible well balanced

[golden iron]

if you think those sad hitboxes are balanced, i dont want to know what you think a good game is. Some species stand absolutely no chance against others, like para or cerato, unless they learn how to work with the painful hitboxes. Its not skill based whatsoever, you cant outrun some dinos that can very easily kill you.

the only 'skill' you learn is how to assride, which is the only attack you can use for anything in the entire game

[lucid mauve]

you take cera as example no chance, and then u talk about assriding. Cera can assride everything, if u have skill. The hitboxes i can agree on. But how would you balance it ? Since your against assriding, you want pure power and no turn that can make u get behind? Then you now the outcome of the fight before it started.

[golden iron]

There’s no way to balance it. Which is why the devs started evrima. Evrima prevents assriding by actually giving dinos unique mechanics, so a herbivore is a threat to a carni just at much a carni is to a herbivore.

[lucid mauve]

Its funny you took cera as an example of bad dino, wich is the perfect assrider. But to actually do it, you need incredible skills. I still dont get how you would balance it if you take away agility/turn on a dino. Sounds like you can just trade bites, turn it into a cuddling up game

[paper oriole]

Honestly yeah Ben is so overdone

Especially all the new shit with it, some of it is cute but most of it now is just cringe stretching out a joke for more substance than it ever had

[lavish quail]

@potent plinth who tf plays beasts of Bermuda

[limber hull]

lmao the "official server" feedback lmao

mate, the last official server i joined on legacy fucking banned me for no reason then streamed my steam account on their discord

fuck putting the future of the Isle in Legacy server hosts lmao

[pure fossil]

A lot of ppl in fact. You Should not show that kind of irony cuz has its own playerbase and its a decent game as others.

As the other mate up talking about put the future in Server Hosts, I think you forget that always the future of this game it’s very close related to its unofficial servers. Since the game had that option mostly all pop of the game was around those and not around official, which had like 5 NA or EU servers and only 3 max were full and the rest were like a desert.

I really think that Devs should let Legacy branch without delete and let the modder community go on with it as an unofficial branch of the Isle. A lot of ppl still prefer Legacy than EVRIMA and I think they will still preferring it after EV is complete

[limber hull]

I personally believe Legacy just needs to go

[pure fossil]

Why needs to go? If you don’t like it you always can not play it. But if you delete it then you force the other ppl who yes like it to play the game you like.

I mean, I see win win situation with L and E alive than only EV

[limber hull]

It's just antiquated and not what the devs want from the game. Why divide the community when you can make EVRIMA the final game for all members?

[earnest gull]

I see that, for at least some time having Legacy be around for the sheer fact of people that want to play with more dino's than currently offered in Evrima.

[barren zephyr]

I enjoy more the current evrima gameplay than the legacy one, evrima is just superior in all points exept the number of playables but what is a playable if it's not unique, they are just the same with differents stats?

[pure fossil]

Because as you see here, people has a lot of opinions. That means that the community it’s “divided” by the ones who like EV and the ones who like Legacy.

Ofc you need to think on this too not as divide the community because the game it’s the same : The Isle. The community stills under the same banner. But if you keep both you are actually giving to your community two experiences to play and the chance of jump from one to another.

As I said I don’t see any trouble letting Legacy people be on Legacy without force them to go to EV, cuz is not nice. Would you like be forced to play Legacy? Truly not. Then don’t force the people who like Legacy play EV if they really don’t like it.

I think EV has better gameplay ( or at least more fresh experience of it) than Legacy, but I cannot deny that Legacy has that…. Idk how to say it. But feels greater than EV for me and I understand why for others too.

Ofc if devs wants to erase it okay, but you are losing the chance of have your community happy in the two fields instead of force one part to go where they don’t wanna go and the other yes. That is divide community really.

But well, it’s my thought too. It’s not the total truth, but I think at least I’m thinking on both parties being happy instead of force one to do things

[limber hull]

What's more is soon everything in Legacy will be in EVRIMA, and EVRIMA's roster will far outscale Legacy's

[limber hull]

I wouldn't like to be forced to play legacy because the devs don't support it and it's not what the Isle is meant to be. EVRIMA is designed to be everything the Isle was meant to be. I'd rather a completed community to a divided one. Once EVRIMA has all the mechanics of Legacy, really no need to keep Legacy around, as it'll be basically inferior in all ways.

[pure fossil]

That’s why I said, let Legacy be modded too. And then we will see. And what if even if being inferior people still like it? That I was saying too. You lose really nothing keeping it. But well, we are moving from the topic of the “og” feedback suggestion that initiated all of this lol

[limber hull]

You lose EVRIMA players

[lavish quail]

evrima best gamemode

and most unique

i love hypsi too much rn

[odd sedge]

The devs will delete legacy at some point anyways and as soon as we have nesting and skins in evrima, legacy had nothing unique anymore

[lavish quail]

it will take a while tho-

[odd sedge]

More or less, U4 is getting a stress test soon and Pachy won't be long after

Considering it's almost done according to the trello

[lavish quail]

stress test soon anyway

[odd sedge]

Exactly

[manic sun]

they are dropping another update after like 2-3 months which is good tbh

if u count U3.5 which was also a nice little update

[lucid mauve]

its gonna be ages until we see any significant in evrima, just basic stuff like nesting etc. Update 6 gonna be way out in 2022

[lavish quail]

evrima is still far higher quality than legacy

[lucid mauve]

as i said, i wouldt play evrima if i got paid money for it. So i disagree

[lavish quail]

rex main?

[lucid mauve]

nah, i like sucho : )

[lavish quail]

you wouldn't understand the intelligence of a hypsi main

[lucid mauve]

you need more dinos before im gonna play it for sure

the potential is ofcourse much better then legacy, but for now its to little for me

[lavish quail]

you don't understand the sheer reward of knowing your the reason that an adult deino fell because you were there

screw

it

im starting a cult

im just so many levels above everyone now

[lavish quail]

@fading otter @tawny juniper just curious about why you dont like de hypsi

a new reformed one

one with the values required

[odd sedge]

The Minmi cult and the Hypsi cult will be at war

I'm just waiting for Ovi to come out so I can eat both :)

I doubt it will

That's a troodon, not a utah

[lavish quail]

not a utah

[lavish quail]

things a chicken

ovi hypsi wars

need to be a thing

[odd sedge]

Ovi wins

[lavish quail]

no no no

[odd sedge]

Ovi is A a lot bigger and B hella dangerous for smaller things with its Secretary bird kick

I kinda dig that.
Although that is a parrot

Grey colored Ovi with red highlights though...

African grey parrot says the wiki as far as I know

But ngl, so like this

True true

I'm okay with that, I'm just upset that baby ovis are almost as naked as hypsi babies and not floofy

I think I once saw a picture of them

Found it

Hypsi babies are not fluffy either

[limber hull]

i mean, they might not add the floof in the basic 3D model

[icy lion]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/806266244369743892/HypsiJuvieRender.jpeg

hypsi

[limber hull]

since the floof would be more physics based and could be added as an addition

Personally, I think the feathers are going to be added, but later

[lavish quail]

The 3 things hypsi needs to be fun to play for hours on end
No.1 diets that effect spit
No.2 climbing on other herbis
No.3 nesting and climbing

if we got all of these the game would be 10 times better

same if we got dryo burrowing across the map

and utah directional pounce off

change my mind

[potent plinth]

https://steamcharts.com/app/719890

[lavish quail]

fair enough

it was the first isle clone

[icy lion]

i wish we could view players per branch https://steamcharts.com/app/376210

itd be cool to see the actual numbers of evrima players and legacy players

[lavish quail]

evrima would outnumber i would like to think

[barren zephyr]

I don't think so actually

To me, it looks like Evrima massively outnumbers legacy when a patch drops, but then kinda goes back to being balanced

[icy lion]

remember what we talked about? this isnt a general chat

[lavish quail]

wait

damn wrong channel

[pure fossil]

+100 to that. Remember tho, that you can do a close approximation looking the number of servers in each branch and people in them. Then you will have a close number of people per day, then week.

Still variations like hour of day, special days and that would require a proper measurement that we cannot know without proper tools or private information

For the things I could see the past weeks, Legacy seems to have the double of people at least than EVRIMA like every week. But still, I miss info so I couldn’t say 100% if things seems like it seems or not

[feral solstice]

Oh my fucking god that suggestion lmfao

That’s asking to be muted

[honest sparrow]

No? It’s obviously a suggestion at the implied shitting anims

[manic flint]

Nah just do what ark did please and thank you

[urban flax]

"I don't like the idea so I'm gonna suggest the most disgusting video I can find to convince other people they don't like it either"

[abstract lark]

he was explaining the poop mechanic

[lofty pagoda]

kill my own

[abstract lark]

or not, i always

[hoary dawn]

its realistic

[abstract lark]

like the isle

[hoary dawn]

immersive even

[manic flint]

https://youtu.be/NHoxTHu1-Dg

Just do this

It's simple

[abstract lark]

why

poop is a bad idea

[hoary dawn]

poop in ark is a joke

[manic flint]

Yea
But the animations are fine
Not
Hippo propellers

[manic flint]

It can be a useful mechanic if they do it correctly

[vale pawn]

[abstract lark]

odd mechanic imo

[manic flint]

Yea
But it could tie into diets
Like you can tell what smth ate and then figure out what creature went that direction

[abstract lark]

don't really think its necessary for the game anytime soon but

[hoary dawn]

not necessary to the game at all

[odd sedge]

[meager tiger]

Can human food give a slight buff or better than raw food. I want a incentive for like ovi or other rat-like lifestyle animals to steal and raid supply's and bases for food. If human food is the same as raw food why would anyone want to risk getting shot, captured, or injured

[urban flax]

I guess it will give better nutrients

Since diets are based on that

[meager tiger]

That's good

I would love to play like a rat/racoon like lifestyle

Sneak around and shit

I have a bit of nostalgia with ovi. I used to watch this Disney animated movie called dinosaur and in the beginning of the movie it shows these derpy oviraptors fighting over a egg and running around carrying it with there hand.

[urban flax]

I remember it too

[meager tiger]

Haha

@quasi stream Can we have a dog shake animation as well?

[odd sedge]

Make ovi carry two eggs at once

Ovi should be the most superior egg thief of all the creatures that can eat eggs

[quasi stream]

For anky yes

[meager tiger]

Would you consider ovi having good claw dexterity like raptor?

[lavish quail]

i want ovi to do 3 things

1. grab eggs while running

2. eat like a chicken

3.have a rooster caw for male

dont ask why

[meager tiger]

I want more of a spazz cartoon like dinosaur who everyone is annoyed by because he just runs around stealing and causing trouble

[odd sedge]

I want Ovi to swish away its tracks/footprints while Z walking

[lavish quail]

oooooooooooooh

yessss

[odd sedge]

And sniff out eggs like food

[lavish quail]

YESS

[odd sedge]

My idea on Ovi is:

A small creature that doesn't tank that much and is mainly a threat for smalls, hatchlings and juvis with its Secretary bird style kick.
It can run faster that a Utah but it can't run for a long time and therefore stays hidden in deep foliage, deleting its tracks, until the time is ripe to charge.
It can carry two eggs at a time while running, which it can sniff out specifically.
Though it is not tanky, it is immune to tail damage. Instead of taking damage, it will simply lose feathers and get a chance to run and hide

That is how I would love Ovi to be personally

[manic flint]

Love that

[meager tiger]

Short bursts of speeds for stealing and hiding sounds awesome

[odd sedge]

It makes people be weary of their stam and plan heists

Finding the eggs is the easy part, getting them is what will be difficult

[paper oriole]

White is a fine detail colour for speckles, accent stripes and underbelly patches, but no more albino wannabes and bananasaurs please

[manic sun]

yea, you shouldn´t be able to make urself look like an albino (only small parts of ur body should be able to be white) bc it first decreases ur chances of survival obviously and because albinos are very rare

[still raptor]

Albinism should be an RNG chance when nesting naturally occurs.

[manic sun]

ohh that´s a good idea

[icy lion]

@sonic harbor Spinosaurus will eventually come to evrima

[sonic harbor]

omg yay

[manic sun]

@valid elk Utahraptor probably used its feet claws to kill things but I have to say ur overall idea is good.

[still raptor]

@sonic harbor

[manic sun]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[arctic nimbus]

@sonic harbor spino is already planned

[manic sun]

not this one pls

we need freds one

[sonic harbor]

OMG IM SO HYPED

[willow zealot]

@sonic harbor