general-feedback-discussion

[stark dust]

[paper oriole]

utha moment

i still dont understand their decision to screw over animals twice a utah's weight when they get pounced though

[barren zephyr]

Well I never said the theories were correct

but still there are other ways of making stego sexually dimorphic than turning one sex into Hesperosaurus

there is plate colour and size, and also why a round plate shape instead of something else?

[paper oriole]

isnt para's sexual dimorphism also based on two separate species

[barren zephyr]

yeah, actually

but for stego you could achieve dimorphism by, idk, making the male plates larger and more jagged

keep in mind they are coated in keratin, that same substance that makes up our nails

[barren zephyr]

It's more unique and is a reference to actual paleo theories instead of just a random model change

[barren zephyr]

yes, a stupid reference

and I hate how the isle treats dinosaurs as somehow being these stupid plasticky models

utahraptor is wrinkly thick rubbery skin, not even scaly

Agreed, it would be cool if the insides got modeled to, like with saurian.

the dinosaurs do not feel real

[paper oriole]

yeah utahraptor has so much shit wrong with it lmao

[barren zephyr]

I liked utah more when I started picking the female skin

and with a scaly raptor they might as well at least reference monitors

[paper oriole]

the model and textures are so gross

and the sounds are so shameless

[barren zephyr]

at least that is a clever way to reference jurassic park (since in preproduction they were going to give the raptors monitor-like tongues)

[maiden anvil]

@tight lantern I think burrows should take time but I don’t think dryo should burrow

[tight lantern]

Same. I always play as a female Utah when a Utah, and often prefer the more earthy tones of the female skins than the bold.

[paper oriole]

I wish theyd made dryo have great stam and agility and maybe enter large enough burrows instead of burrowing itself

If they capitalized on the dodge by fixing it and making dryo super agile to juke like a god it would honeatly feel more unique

[tight lantern]

I am largely on the fence. If anything, I think they less should be able to create burrows, but more-so can occupy others/edit already created burrows by an established burrower, if that makes sense. So the inability to make a burrow themselves, but can maintain/enter existing ones

[paper oriole]

Amputation/decapitation would need to be a finisher, not a move for the middle of a fight

If we got finishers it would be a neat one

[tight lantern]

^ I agree.

Not a special ability, but cool kill animation. Also hope we get some gore animations while feeding, like ripping off limbs, breaking bones, pulling out intestines, etc.

[paper oriole]

More shown graphic fatal injury types like having your skull imploded by an anky or your throat torn out by an allo would be cool too like you could see a mangled body and guess how it died

[tight lantern]

Yeah, I really want to bash a skull in as a Pachy lol

[urban flax]

@unique shell It's already the case. Bleeding increases your stamina consumption and decreases the rate at which you regain it. Also Utah's pounce is extremely effective at bleeding prey. It's just a little "dangerous" to use at the moment.

[pale bloom]

I wouldn't say little when random Utahs I meet just decide to not to use it ever, I think it's only relatively safe to use on Carnos because you can survive the bite, anything else it's just throwing yourself into death.

Teno is capable to tailslam you in dismount I've seen it couple times. So yeah not safe unless you're pinning the prey, the best deal is not to use it

[urban flax]

From what I've heard there are ways to coordinate in a pack in order to not get killed after a pounce. Also you can pounce dryo, hypsi and ptera without a risk

But yes when I said dangerous I was minimizing, I know how bad it is

[pale bloom]

Even with coordination someone will get eventually hit, and that's fatal against Stegos

Maybe you can deal with the Teno tailslam by just getting help from your pack but that just depends

Right now I feel like I shouldn't use the pounce, only as Juvi against smaller things

[odd sedge]

@stoic basin
I got none of that.
Are you trying to play legacy or evrima?

[stoic basin]

All the time I am updating to evrima and downgrading to the normal the isle, there is no way to have both and not have to be downloading the versions all the time

i wanna play both

[odd sedge]

How would you have both at the same time...?

When It's technically not even the same game?

[icy lion]

theres video guides on youtube to have both installed concurrently

[steep warren]

@gilded jacinth I like the idea but we already have deinocheirus

[gilded jacinth]

That's an omnivore not a herbi isn't it

I'm talking full herbi

[rugged hinge]

were can i chose to have notifications on the isle fase two

???

[vale pawn]

#rules-and-info

[paper oriole]

What if instead of adding a new herbi to fill the role

Hear me out

Semi aquatic plateo

[outer condor]

Semi aquatic para

[paper oriole]

[outer condor]

[vale pawn]

fully aquatic brachi

[paper oriole]

No brachi should obviously be arboreal

[vale pawn]

give giga rocket boosters

[paper oriole]

Giga should summon sharks with his bleed and walk on water

Oh god somebody used that spino vs rex scene in gen feedback

[vale pawn]

kentro should not be affected by gravity

[paper oriole]

Kentro should be able to fire his spikes off at mach speeds and regrow them instantly

[tidal frigate]

Nergegantie

[paper oriole]

Yes hyper kentro should just turn into a literal dragon with endless spike supply

[stoic basin]

@icy lion if u can copy y paste a link from the video im from spain and don't know's to much english

[icy lion]

hope this helps! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Db9VMtrXSc

[odd sedge]

Dryo should get a speed buff and summon lighting storms by screaming

[stoic basin]

@icy lion thanks mate!!

[patent garden]

hey whats up with the “ban nublar” suggestions? what happened?

[paper oriole]

Apparently the admins were outed as uh... pretty gross people

[manic flint]

Pedophiles I think?

[barren zephyr]

Yeah

[paper oriole]

Yeah that

[manic flint]

I don't really know that's just what I've heard

[barren zephyr]

Someone did a video on it

[patent garden]

oh jeez

[paper oriole]

Also Nublar is shit anyway so it would be like literally 0 loss, shite server and gross people if its true

[barren zephyr]

Rule servers

[paper oriole]

walks 2 yards away from a body to drink some water
Nublar admin: “so anyway i started /slaying”

[barren zephyr]

Lol

Pretty much

[manic flint]

Body down rules are dumb

[barren zephyr]

Body down rules are probably the worst thing in existence

[paper oriole]

Body down and aggro circles and 3 call rules

[barren zephyr]

it did help with the horribly implemented legacy bleed though

[manic flint]

Spinos for example were known for being messy and wasteful

[patent garden]

funny how their rules also always seemed to benefit carnis lol

[barren zephyr]

Yeah. Couldn’t be aggro as a herbivore

[patent garden]

“herbis cant chase!!111 aggro herbis reported!!!”

[paper oriole]

Literally couldnt attack a rex that was walking circles around your herd for 10 minutes

[patent garden]

mfs never seen a bison or a hippo ig

[manic flint]

Bro hippos are agrro as heck

[patent garden]

or even a horse

or idk, literally any herbivore

[barren zephyr]

Hippos aren’t fully herbivorous but I see your point

[paper oriole]

So you get a bunch if cocky shit rexes sitting 10yd away just camping the herd because of the shitty aggro rules

[manic flint]

Lmao Africa would be complaining abt so many rulebreakes

[patent garden]

ban africa

[barren zephyr]

Hippos are so aggressive they just decide to eat meat

[paper oriole]

Like 5 separate apex groups just camping

[barren zephyr]

being in a herd sucked too

You just sit there and do nothing

[paper oriole]

It was so boring it was just a bunch of spam calling herbis wadded together by the river nesting until they died from full packed rexes because they couldn’t make the first move

[patent garden]

yeh even at the major spots like gf and herbi hill, you were pretty much just sitting there waiting for either
-more useless children to hatch
-everyone to get slaughtered by a carni megapack that somehow doesnt break the rules

because “muh carni”

[paper oriole]

It honestly baffles me how those servers maintain a population

[barren zephyr]

Carnivore bias

Noobz is god awful too

[patent garden]

half the people are tabbed out which i dont get

like what kind of computer do you have to be wasting power on an idling game like that

[barren zephyr]

I will never return to Isla Nublar servers due to their rules and the recent thing

[paper oriole]

I think i was on nublar once and i got slayed

[patent garden]

f

[paper oriole]

Its even worse than IoFT somehow like that server is more entertaining, though thatll end in evrima cus global is gone so no more salt from people in a sandbox server whining about their ava dying lmao

[barren zephyr]

I hated it when I was 89% adult Rex and 4 carnos attacked me, I killed all of them, I was like last 4th screen and 3 bleed and Utah came and and started 3 calling me, when I was like leaving, some random trikes, shant and diablos come and kill me and when I tell that to admin, she/he was just like ''I was there watching and those herbs didn't do anything wrong'' And it was probably because they all were a clan (the admin and the herbs) and literally just let's them go without warning or anything

[barren zephyr]

I got banned on Ioft for reasons I cannot explain on here lol

[barren zephyr]

Rule servers

[barren zephyr]

Yeah

Imagine playing on rule servers

These days it's just not my time at all

I think the only rules I somewhat enjoy are the mixpacking rules and group limits.

Ah yes, IOFT servers... I got planned for being too ''aggressive'' as Trike... Literally a Rex was following me for 10 minutes and trying to attack me

because trike was not a aggressive herbivore or anything in real life no

It would just sit there and die of course

Makes sense

[paper oriole]

Idk how i didnt lol i “accidentally” killed so many austros

[barren zephyr]

good

Imagine playing austro or legacy in general

Also when I got back to the server, I was just there going around and then there was some admin that just went and permantly banned me for no goddamn reason. Then I joined the IOFT discord, and asked if I could get back there. Then the admin was like ''Sure, but remember read rules''. And after 10 minutes, I was banned from the discord, like wtf

Uhhhhh what

this is exactly what happens when you let players create isle servers

they do stuff like this

Like the servers that I enjoyed after that were only Asura servers and Teutonic

I genuinely can not enjoy Asura due to amount of toxic clans there are on there

[tepid gate]

I've never played on IOFT much, the moment I've noticed that it's a sandbox server with the body down rule I decided to avoid it like the plague.

I've played on Asura a lot because it has no rules and quite a bit on Teutonic.

[barren zephyr]

Forgot about em, literally every person I encountered were just like toxic and such

[tepid gate]

I haven't had that many issues with the clans on Asura

[barren zephyr]

Yeah. Growing an apex on Asura is tough

[tepid gate]

I think I've died to them like... twice?

[barren zephyr]

you would just get mowed down by a kossing apex party or a clan

playing mids on there wasn’t so bad though

imagine playing the island

I was just growing a Trike there and then I see 5 Spinos, 3 Rexes, 6 Allos, 2 Shants and 1 Cama after me

Yeah that’s how it goes

[tepid gate]

I'd typically play Giga on Asura and I haven't had such issues for the most part aside from some situations like getting killed by a Spino after killing some dibbles it was mixing with. Another one was when I've bumped into one of the clans trekking around and yea I ended up dying cause 3 Theris + 2 Rexes.

It didn't happen more to me though because I keep very low profile most of the time when i play the game.

[barren zephyr]

After that, I looked the global and they were like ''Yeah guys, we F that Trike up'' and ''Suck it you loser'' that were meant towards me

that’s one reason why I kinda like the group limits thing. You won’t be able to have 20 players with you and you actually have to survive

Same

[barren zephyr]

Yeah. Those people were probably from a clan. they are never nice

[barren zephyr]

(They were clan called Apex, which I really hate btw)

That explains it lmao

[tepid gate]

In another one I've ended up killing two Rexes and almost getting a third one in their little pack of four - I thought I was going after a single Rex, then I realised it had a companion and in the end it turned out it was an entire quartet. It was still worth it.

[barren zephyr]

Legacy definitely has those adrenaline rushes evrima doesn’t have currently

Kinda miss it

Ah nice, devblog, didn't realize Xd

[tepid gate]

Yea

[barren zephyr]

hey islanders!

Diets

[hoary dawn]

people should be thinking you're aggressive when you use the threaten call, that's why its the threaten call

[honest sparrow]

Why would you use the 3 call if not to be aggressive

IE gtfo unless you want to die

[blazing frost]

These are all true points

[sly zephyr]

XD

[hoary dawn]

it was already the plan to add pachy with update 4 if it was done in time

[barren zephyr]

Pachy is pretty much done right?

Just needs some more testing I believe

[safe galleon]

<@&401466542140817419> uh not sure what that in #general-feedback is but....

[icy lion]

ty

i handled it

[stark dust]

seriously whats with every one going bang if someone suggests to bring something back from legacy

[toxic mantle]

What u mean?

[icy lion]

@barren zephyr utah will have feather customization in the future, alongside other species

[barren zephyr]

could you show me proof?

[icy lion]

thanks i was looking for that

pretty sure that was in the old #isle-discussion

[compact hare]

Yeye

[barren zephyr]

That seems official.

I still don't see them giving utah feathers as a customization option though, but that's just my opinion. Thanks for the proof.

[icy lion]

utah was one of the ones confirmed for it

[barren zephyr]

Where?

When, and by who?

Sorry for all these questions.

[icy lion]

where: the old isle discussion, or else id have a screenshot
when: multiple times
who: punchpacket

[barren zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-sorry-im-sorry-stitch-apologetic-gif-12304217

Thanks.

[icy lion]

np!

[barren zephyr]

@honest sparrow I absolutely loved and absolutely hated that at the same time…thank you.

[honest sparrow]

exactly what I wanted, thank you good sir

[barren zephyr]

[feral solstice]

I can’t fucking breath

[vale pawn]

LOL

[barren zephyr]

[vale pawn]

comically large spoon

[barren zephyr]

Velo with his comically large fork

[honest sparrow]

suggestion deleted

day ruined

[barren zephyr]

[vale pawn]

avas a fruit ninja i cant

🍌🗡️

[hoary dawn]

Mods deleting serious suggestions

[valid zephyr]

@barren zephyr Yeah I'd love a feathered utah skin...

But that one is hideous. The naked sleeved arms are painful.

[pulsar lake]

Ngl

Stego countering flank attackers is purely logic

This animal is designed for that

[zinc rivet]

Just had someone DM me telling me I'm a mistake of God over my latest feedback why is it so controversial to think Stegosaurus should be a hard counter for Utah that Utahs just shouldn't be able to easily hunt if they should even try in the first place

I just do not understand why literally every single person I've met is against this thought

and it definitely does not warrant harassment? It's a basic af balance disagreement like c'mon

[urban flax]

Cause Utahs are designed to be apex killers and it doesn't feel good being punished for doing something right ?

The fact you're against it doesn't justify the fact you get harrassed in DMs tho

[limber hull]

if you are a lone steg and surrounded by many utahs, i dont think that you should be favoured

2 stegs are great tho

2+ stegs will almost always scare off any utahs

[zinc rivet]

Lone steg getting overwhelmed by a sizeable pack I'm cool with, that makes more sense to me, but I'm worried Utahs new pounce change will make solo or small packs be able to hunt Stegos more easily

[limber hull]

utahs would probably run out of stam if they keep pouncing

[zinc rivet]

Especially if it just flies entirely out of range, how's Stego supposed to defend against pounce or punish it then

The Utah clings onto the Stego's flank right next to it's tail, honestly I'd be cool if Stego could skewer Utahs off of it's flank while they are pounced because that's where Stego's tail is supposed to defend

but I'm concerned Utahs are gonna be able to just latch onto it and dismount without worry

[paper oriole]

God i hope velo doesnt have broken wrists and sleeve feathers like the suggested picture does

Spare velo of the utah jp treatment

[urban flax]

Velo won't get feathers anyway

[paper oriole]

Honestly wouldnt be surprised lol

[urban flax]

That's where tail swipe should come in

[zinc rivet]

but i guess people think Utahraptor should be able to just run up to it and not worry about the tail and be able to safely leave without ever getting punished 🤷‍♀️

[urban flax]

Also remember stego is likely to get a buff when bigger creatures are added

[paper oriole]

I hope stego gets good coverage abilities later

[urban flax]

For now Utahs are the best predator for stegos

[paper oriole]

Its jab is trash

[zinc rivet]

Stego's distance should be respected, if you pounce a Stego you should be putting yourself at major risk of getting hit by the tail coz you're latched right in the center of it's tail swipe radius, but nah i guess not allowed to punish Utah

[paper oriole]

Like a single utah can kill stego rn

[zinc rivet]

No going for the Stego's head and dodging the tail in a hunt of skill nah just hold RMB to win

[paper oriole]

It should take a full pack to kill a 6 ton defensive animal not a single or two utahs

[zinc rivet]

and with pounce changes I fear it'll be worse

[paper oriole]

Doesnt take a huge load of skill to juke the shitty jab lol

I did it myself and im a trash player

Yeah idk whats up with their decision to give it a super easy to juke jab instead of the obvious and iconic sweep/swing

Maybe they just hate stego, they shouldnt have added it this early

Yeah the swipe should deal less and be more geared for swarms rather than mid tiers which is what its jab should be for

[zinc rivet]

doesn't it already have that

[paper oriole]

No stego has the multiplier for getting hit lol

[zinc rivet]

make tail swipe mobile so you can swing while moving and I'm happy

[paper oriole]

Idk why the scrawny ass utah has a 4th of stegos hp

I dont think carno is cery good at juking stego rn since the exploit was fixed

If anything carno should get a bite nerf and a charge buff

Less stam, scaling affect depending on your speed into the charge rather than it requiring you to be accelerated to full speed i guess

Not sure really

But it should be more of an ambush based dino instead of bite spam

[fallow spoke]

@fathom garden ok, pro gamer

[fathom garden]

thats what i thought!

[fallow spoke]

[steep warren]

Man I love this community XD

[urban flax]

Isn't that troll feedback ? Or just something in the wrong channel ?

[fallow spoke]

What?

[urban flax]

Hesn's feedback

[fathom garden]

no its critique

devs can handle it dw

otherwise id be banned

[urban flax]

It's a very weird critique

[fallow spoke]

Do you actually know how hard making a game is?

[steep warren]

The devs r working as fast and well to provide us with a good game just chill

[fallow spoke]

Ik

That's what I said

[blissful iron]

hey any other pro gamers here?

who could game professionally together? 👉 👈

[fallow spoke]

Hesen is a pro rocket league gamer

[steep warren]

[blissful iron]

perhaps hesen and i could become veteran rocket league players together?? this could be the start of a cute relationship

socks on tho

[severe idol]

It's feedback, it's fine.

[blissful iron]

you're feedback

and fine

🤤

[severe idol]

Don't hit on my me.

[blissful iron]

YOU dont hit on me

[fallow spoke]

Ok saoul zod #team foszor, understood

[steep warren]

What has this turned into?

[fathom garden]

im getting sexually harassed

[severe idol]

Filth that it's too early and I haven't had coffee enough for, so it can disperse or I can just put a low-level mute on everyone and deal with it when I'm more awake.

Return to Feedback Discussion.

[fallow spoke]

Ok saoul zod 👍

[blissful iron]

😔

[inner hound]

pro gamer

[serene dust]

see you guys dont even work

soo useless

[zinc rivet]

what exploit

[blissful iron]

i sure hope shallows is changed into a big lake

[fallow spoke]

General feedback discussion
Also its fucking night time, how am I gonna work?

[inner hound]

personally tho, its still feedback.
nothing to get so twisted over. id rather have more small updates aswell
but guess that makes one instantly salty

[blissful iron]

would be pretty cool

[sour crescent]

I have so many impersonaters smh😔

[blissful iron]

wait

WHY is there 2

[sour crescent]

He copied me

[serene dust]

mate just work on the isle when you can so we can play the full game 🙂

[blissful iron]

we need a fight to the death between you two

[fallow spoke]

I dont think we need a utah remodel

[blissful iron]

gladiator style

[fallow spoke]

🧂

[serene dust]

yes me is salty

what you gonna do about it just make the game

[severe idol]

"Rule 6" is the default name given to people with unintelligible names that breach the aforementioned rule. There's currently 48 users with that given moniker.

[inner hound]

seeing thsi chat cant be mature

[serene dust]

bring new dinos

[blissful iron]

interesting

[sour crescent]

Smh can believe so many people copy me😔

Anyways, feedback discussion

[blissful iron]

😏

[severe idol]

#TarboMoreLikeGarbo

[urban flax]

[fallow spoke]

This is feedback discussion saoul 😤

[odd sedge]

The isle dating sim

[fathom garden]

some white knights here kinda cringe

what suggestion

im giving feedback

[barren zephyr]

Ya your salty about a game in development

[fathom garden]

hell yeah

its not always rainbow

and flowers

[barren zephyr]

You knew it was in development when you bought it

Do salt what you cant lick

[fathom garden]

bought it years ago

[odd sedge]

Imagine complaining about getting free updates every couple of months with quality

[fathom garden]

ill lick somthn else if u keep flirting with me

[fallow spoke]

weirdo

[zinc rivet]

Would you rather no update on development of any kind?

[barren zephyr]

Thank you icky for pointing out the truth

[fathom garden]

id rather have them make in game purchases so they can earn some more bread

[zinc rivet]

they're not just gonna start pumping out every little line of code they write

[odd sedge]

Games with ingame purchases succ

[zinc rivet]

wtf would you even purchase in this state of the game tbh

they've said they're financially well anyways. If you would've just read the devlog you'd know they've hired yet another member

[barren zephyr]

You think because your a pro gamer your entitled to have anything you want think again we all want to see the game become awesome but you don't have patience

[fathom garden]

as i said

i didnt pay to read devblogs

ill read patch notes tho

[zinc rivet]

So you're choosing to be ignorant

[odd sedge]

[fathom garden]

exactly

[barren zephyr]

Then get out ya whinny pest

[fallow spoke]

[zinc rivet]

[fathom garden]

i mean they didnt delete my message nor ban me out the server so im guessing some critique is fine

[zinc rivet]

he literally admitted to it

[odd sedge]

It literally costs nothing to read the dev blog

[fathom garden]

time is money

[zinc rivet]

nah nobody's gonne delete ur messages or ban u for that

but we can still tell you we think you're behaving silly

[barren zephyr]

Ya

[zinc rivet]

smh

[fallow spoke]

Pro gamer

[severe idol]

Go to DMs with it. I've already told you guys to get off this.

[fathom garden]

ive played isle thru the updates

[zinc rivet]

even I'm not a veteran xd

[barren zephyr]

Sorry saoul

See yall later

[fallow spoke]

I smelt it from a mile away when I saw the post

[fathom garden]

how do i even see that

[severe idol]

Then make a group DM.

[inner hound]

this dumb lol

[fathom garden]

@severe idol give me quick mute or smthn

[fallow spoke]

Well we are dead

[inner hound]

for a second i thought im seeing things, but things are deleted

i blinked and thingsd were gone

[fallow spoke]

Farewell

[inner hound]

anyway, adding more to my biome doc

[fallow spoke]

Wait, im still here, what

[odd sedge]

Ohhhhh what biomes have you got so far?

[inner hound]

mangroves and arids

[sour crescent]

hello!

[inner hound]

wanted to add a third biome

[fallow spoke]

Stop, saoulzod lurks these lands..

[inner hound]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EfNwdrP1V-tl6StVAPA00TOLqpp6ebYtuvUjJFJO5fg/edit?usp=sharing

[sour crescent]

hello saoulzod!

[odd sedge]

So you have got a more wet biome with mangroves and something dry already?
Something that I always liked was some kind of volcanic biome, perhaps rocky mountains with white water rivers

[inner hound]

i thought abt that yea !
vulcanic rock islands especially, i can imagine a vulcano close to the beach creating those

especially since they can have those funny shapes, which could help with recongizability in areas

[odd sedge]

Imagine a black, volcanic beach
Wait lemme find a picture

[inner hound]

and basal rock

which basically is vulcanic, but hdgbfg

[inner hound]

just imagine cool black beaches

[odd sedge]

Yes!

[inner hound]

icky 🤝 me

regarding a vulcano, that maybe is semi active idk, having like thermal plants there for heat generation would be pog

[odd sedge]

They could bring back the geysers and hot pools near the volcano!

[paper oriole]

The old tail biting exploit

[inner hound]

give funny areas

and geysers my beloved yesss

[zinc rivet]

I want a more dusty/dry biome, I love the patches of dirt in the game over the grass i just wanna roll around in them and kick up dust so a whole area of no grass only dirt would be great

[inner hound]

got that in my doc :] arid/semi desert biome, lots of arizona inspiration

[odd sedge]

Rocky rivers near beaches please

[inner hound]

i jsut want protoceratops, velo and what not vibe in their arid biome

[paper oriole]

Add slot canyons to he a hazard for everybody

[inner hound]

mexico also nice inspiration, mexico having jungles and dry areas

[odd sedge]

Lets remake the lion king scene but with Utahs and a running herd of Paras

[paper oriole]

Imagine all the corpses from people falling in lol

[odd sedge]

Velo paradise

[inner hound]

still cool area

[paper oriole]

Yes

[barren zephyr]

We should all watch walking with dinosaurs we'd get some awesome ideas for the isle

[odd sedge]

Imagine calls echoing in there

[inner hound]

should be a rare area, that can be seen from multiple places, when ur high up enough, to create a sense of navigating

ie. specific area only being in the north/sotuh/west/east

[paper oriole]

mmmMM

[odd sedge]

Caves

[paper oriole]

Caves in slot canyon

Would be such good proto and velo zone

[inner hound]

real

[odd sedge]

The driest habitat, even during the wet seasons, perfect for those two desert dwellers

Have them gain all the water they need from food and you got your perfect dry season niche

[paper oriole]

The caves would have some water but there could be cacti/succulents

[inner hound]

another thing i wanted to add to my doc are opal caves, for future underwater cave stuff
and marble caves at the sea

not actual biomes, but rather multiple individual areas spread out here and there to create a sense of variety

marble caves

opal caves

[odd sedge]

Please

[inner hound]

imagine u just wanna explore a cave as deino or beipi and suddenly those grey boring walls turn pretty

after some exploring, can help navigating thru underwater tunnels if done right

[paper oriole]

Flooded mines would be so hot

[inner hound]

yess

hidden loot paradise

[paper oriole]

Just a conpletely submerged quarry with the mine tunnels

[odd sedge]

That would give me so much anxiety. Diving down a dark mine tunnel, not knowing whether there will be air at the end of it.
I love it

[inner hound]

tbf unsure if airpockets should be a thing in those, as it can make people camp.
but mmmh maybe if spread out right it can create a sense of 'i shouldnt camp here'

[paper oriole]

Air pockets would be cool but ya it would be too easy to grow a deino or other large aquatics then lol

Like instead if having to surface where you can be in danger from terrestrials you would have total safety from everything but other aquatics

[hasty dagger]

Bearded Vulture Velo

[steep warren]

@sour linden Bird

[sour linden]

bird

did u know bird have wings?

that they use to fly

[steep warren]

Awesome

[sour linden]

haha XD

[paper oriole]

Baseless conspiracy theory

[sour linden]

haha XD

i love ypus ;-;

yous^

[barren zephyr]

Does anyone know if scars are gonna be a thing

[sacred moat]

Scars are already a thing?

[barren zephyr]

Last i knew they weren't

@valid zephyr If you don't like the skin, then find your own version and post about it so the other naked sleeve utah fans aren't lost to the gringe.

Like the idea @gilded jacinth

[gilded jacinth]

they actually are and it surprised me ngl. i was a stego and got attacked but survived and noticed i had scars all over even after healing

[gilded jacinth]

glad you liked it! i love feathered dromaeosaurs

[valid zephyr]

Their hands weren't clones of their feet with the feathers. The feet were bare because they had to walk on them. However their fingers had feathers running all the way down from the fossils we've found.

Though that's from related dromeosaurs. None for utah currently.

[inner hound]

the only good utah depiction

[barren zephyr]

Bulktah

[teal parrot]

Regarding stegos guarding their flanks with their tails, I don’t think they should be able to do that without harming themselves. It would make sense to tail swipe with the blunt end of the spikes tho, which won’t hurt the stego, but may knock the Utah silly or fracture it’s bones.

@zinc rivet

[zinc rivet]

why would they harm themselves?

@teal parrot?

what about this is harming the Stego?

[wicked furnace]

Balance

How is that balanced at all

[zinc rivet]

Because I don't feel Utahs should be pouncing Stegos

[wicked furnace]

You're basically making stego invincible

[zinc rivet]

No, go for headshots and bleed out with bites

overwhelm with numbers

[wicked furnace]

It can bite itself

[zinc rivet]

are you really worried about being bit by a Stegosaurus

[wicked furnace]

They actually do decent damage

[zinc rivet]

And you can easily deal more damage

and heal off your damage before the Steg can heal it's off

[urban flax]

@teal parrot Regarding your feedback, bleeding currently does NOT take away your health. It only did so in legacy.

[zinc rivet]

but this isn't the point

the point of that drawing is Mikaeru said the Stego would harm itself

I don't see why it would

[wicked furnace]

Giving stego the ability to do that is so stupid lol

[zinc rivet]

It's tail already protects it's flanks regularly, it's designed to do that

[wicked furnace]

It's already invincible from behind and now you want it to be invincible from the sides

[teal parrot]

Because think about what would happen if you had a knife, and you tried to stab some creature that latched on to you by stabbing towards yourself with the knife.
You might not always Stab yourself, but you, me, or any animal will definitely stab ourselves at some point. Enough so that any smart person or animal would refrain from stabbing violently towards themselves.

[zinc rivet]

That's why you're supposed to go for the head. Stego's tail jab already covers it's sides by turning in place

[teal parrot]

Oh well then it should. Thanks for that correction. I’ll update my suggestion.

[urban flax]

I disagree there. Bleed taking out your health pool is what made it so terrible in legacy. It's much more interesting and realistic in evrima

[zinc rivet]

The creature you're stabbing acts as buffer flesh

[wicked furnace]

Yeah stegos tail is defo not going that far lol

[zinc rivet]

Except it likely could?

[wicked furnace]

Why would you try stabbing someting that's literally on you with risk of hitting yourself

[zinc rivet]

Because it's tearing into your side ripping apart your hide???

[wicked furnace]

Evidence?

[zinc rivet]

So you're just trying to get it off??

Wtf is that logic

[wicked furnace]

Wtf is your logic

Literally

Why would you risk stabbing yourself to get something off

that's why we having BUCKING for stego

[zinc rivet]

this isn't Stabbing itself it's stabbing the Utah

[wicked furnace]

Bro it literally is

It's turning its entire tail to it's side

[zinc rivet]

a diagram from a paper on Stego tail flexibility btw

stabbing the Utah, not itself

[wicked furnace]

Also what if a utah is there or there, if you say it can turn its tail even further then just wtf

[zinc rivet]

then it can't stab the Utah

easy

that's where Utah should be attacking

not the flank

[wicked furnace]

But a stego has bucking

[zinc rivet]

so then buck if they are up there

[wicked furnace]

Theres literally no point

[teal parrot]

But IRL blood loss beyond a certain blood volume results in shock which causes vital organ shut down, so blood loss beyond a certain threshold like 50 or 25% should start causing slow main health pool damage. I think combining that with the lack of ability for limbs and extremities to take main health damage at all will be balanced. What do I think?

[wicked furnace]

If a stego bucks the utah gets off instantly

This suggestion is so pointless

[zinc rivet]

Getting an easy kill on a Utah that is attacking too close to your tail seems like a good punishment

[wicked furnace]

We have bucking literally why

[zinc rivet]

Because Utah's pounce is getting changed so that when it dismounts from pounce, it's jumping farther away and landing more quickly

I believe Stegosaurus should be able to punish Utahs that get within range of it's tail

[wicked furnace]

Yeah...Utahs are at such a disadvantage rn because of the slow dismount

[zinc rivet]

And I feel that is how it should be

[wicked furnace]

That's so stupid

Lol

[urban flax]

When your blood pool empties in evrima you die, that's what happens irl.

You don't die in one hit because you lost a lot of blood

[teal parrot]

I don’t know what to tell you, except that sharp objects sometimes miss, or stab right through their target and may impale whatever is behind them. This is real world factors I’m talking about, for real please never try stabbing toward yourself with a knife, or even cutting towards yourself. That’s how accidents happen. 😎

[wicked furnace]

^

[zinc rivet]

I'll risk accidentally cutting my arm if it means ripping off a predator that is already tearing it open

[teal parrot]

Ohhhh ok that’s not what it sounded like before. So I checked bleeding WILL kill, it just doesn’t deplete the main health core.

[urban flax]

Yes exactly

[wicked furnace]

that's you then, in the isle the stego can simply buck to shake the utah off

[urban flax]

And I think it's fine this way

[teal parrot]

Yes I agree. I’ll update my suggestion once again.

[zinc rivet]

I don't understand how it's stupid. Stegosaurus is massive, it's tail is extremely lethal, and it should be treated with respect. If you enter range of the tail, you should be able to get punished.

Utah being able to just avoid the tail and attack without care does not sound like good balance to me. If Utahs want to take on a Stego, I feel they should overwhelm it with numbers and attack it's front. Not be able to pounce onto it's side and get away with zero risk.

I also feel Stegosaurus was added too early though

[wicked furnace]

We aren't in real life, if it was in real life, yeah i would understand. But this is the isle, its a game, you can't just give stego like everything to make it invincible as it's already the most op land dinosaur in the game.

[zinc rivet]

That's not what I am saying

"If Utahs want to take on a Stego, I feel they should overwhelm it with numbers and attack it's front. Not be able to pounce onto it's side and get away with zero risk."

This isn't giving it everything to make it invincible

It's head is a weakpoint

go for that

[teal parrot]

I don’t think there’s zero risk at all. I think ur interpreting the dev blog differently than we are. Utah’s NEED to be able to dismount early and be out of range. You can’t really think it’s balanced for stegos to have a defensive advantage based on Utah’s functional inadequacy.

[zinc rivet]

don't jump onto it's thick armored hide that is being guarded by an extremely lethal tail

[wicked furnace]

The head won't always be available will it

[zinc rivet]

"Utah’s NEED to be able to dismount early and be out of range"
No I understand, and I disagree with it. To me, punishing Utahs for pouncing felt like the Utah counter. There's nothing that exactly just hard counters a Utah other than the Utah making it's own mistake and falling out of position for a moment

[zinc rivet]

do Utah always need to be hunting Stegosaurus?

[wicked furnace]

the stego can just simply put its head to a wall and do that

[teal parrot]

If a stego is defending, it can be smart and knock Utah’s off or buck them off and stick them with its tail. Utah’s that mess up will get killed. Utah’s that are on point will be able to survive the hunt.

[wicked furnace]

Then stego is gonna get real boring real fast, thus how flawed this suggestion is

[zinc rivet]

which is why I said I feel Stegosaurus was added too early

the current preds aren't good enough for it

but I disagree with turning Utah into a Stego killer to compensate

[wicked furnace]

Well it's in the game we can't do much about it, maybe later on in the games development when theres larger predators, but right now, it would just be unbalanced.

[zinc rivet]

It's only unbalanced because there's nothing that's realistically able to hunt it

[wicked furnace]

utahs rarely kill stegos by themselves, theres a reason why 4 utahs are required to kill one of them

[wicked furnace]

Yeah, for now

[teal parrot]

No that’s not fair or balanced tho. Punishing Utah’s for doing everything right is not fair. Punish them for screwing up that’s fair. But when a Utah waits for a blind spot, takes its pounce shot with perfect timing, lands it, then hops off with plenty of stamina to spare and before getting knocked off by a tree, IT SHOULD NOT BE PUNISHED by getting speared to death by a mechanic that is not even realistic.

[wicked furnace]

Well deino is but we don't talk about its alt bite

[wicked furnace]

^

[zinc rivet]

"Punishing Utah’s for doing everything right is not fair."

Pouncing the side of an animal that evolved to protect it's sides with a flexible tail tipped with four meter long spikes instead of attacking it's front doesn't sound like doing things right

[wicked furnace]

It's designed to protect it's back not its sides, if something is already on the stego theres little chance it's gonna be able to just hit it off with its tail

That's why we have bucking

[teal parrot]

But Utah’s who pounce near the tail are high risk of getting nailed anyway. It’s easier to screw up. And a smart stego is gonna make sure not to get caught by Utah’s alone in a field. Even then, a smart stego can still defend itself. But still, to ur suggestion, if the stego was to get the ability to add tail striking to its buck animation, that would make sense to me, but ONLY if it’s using the blunt side of its spikes to strike and defend the posterior half of its torso.

[zinc rivet]

You misunderstood, I wasn't trying to call for Stegosaurus to be able to rip Utahs off in the first place

I was referring to how Stego's strike when the Utah dismounts

I drew the little thing coz of ur response coz i was like "wait stego wouldnt stab itself"

[teal parrot]

I think i understood perfectly. You were calling for stegos to be able to impale Utah’s who were chewing and clawing on its flank near the tail.

[zinc rivet]

but now I kinda like the idea of Stego tryna rip off Utahs

no, I think you did misunderstand

that was only a single line out of the entire suggestion, and I meant to refer to how Stegos currently strike Utahs during their dismount

[teal parrot]

Ok well I misunderstood then. But we don’t even know for sure if Utah’s dismount range is gonna be outside a full grown stegos tail swipe range.

[zinc rivet]

I'm worried it will be

damn now I'm thinking about if we did get Stegos ripping off Utahs during buck tbh

reminds me of the ending of Jurassic Park when the Tyrannosaurus ripped off that raptor and threw it away lmao

[teal parrot]

Even if it is, it’s sensible. Any creature who can leap and pounce as far as a Utah can, could logically also leap off the target at least half that distance. And they wouldn’t wanna be hopping off right into harms way either.
Furthermore, if Utah’s dismount out of range, it just means stegos can’t be lazy. They have to knock the Utah off on trees in order to get that kill.

[zinc rivet]

I never thought that was intentional

[teal parrot]

I thought it was. I hope it is.

[zinc rivet]

I have an idea
let Stego play it's wallow animation when being pounced

crush the utahs under ur weight

the death floppa

[teal parrot]

I thought of that too. I agree, but it would leave the stego vulnerable to a pack. It would work for one Utah tho, but there are other defenses that would work better. Rule of thumb when being hunted is don’t let the predator get you off ur feet. So I don’t think rolling would be a smart move for a hunted stego.

[zinc rivet]

it was more of a shitpost idea tbh

for funny

[teal parrot]

Lol yeah but I like the idea in theory of what’s realistically possible.

[zinc rivet]

is locational pouncing a thing

[urban flax]

Not since update 2 iirc

[teal parrot]

One Utah on ur flank? I would definitely try and crush it. lol

[zinc rivet]

like if a Utah does pounce closer to the front does it land closer to the front

hm

If they re-add it then I'd be good w/ pouncing Stegos, coz then you gotta make sure you're pouncing up at the front away from the tail

if you pounce too far back you should get stabbed

[urban flax]

Actually it would be the opposite

Stego's tail isn't that flexible, it would be easier to hit its own head than its hips

[zinc rivet]

i just pulled up a paper with Stego tail flexibility in it and it had that degree

is there a more up-to-date study coz i admit it seemed dated

but i couldnt find anything newer

and it seems reasonable flexion to me

[urban flax]

When you bend your arm, it's way easier to touch your shoulder than to touch your elbow

[zinc rivet]

because we only have two joints in our arm?

not an entire column of vertebrae?

[urban flax]

It doesn't change anything about how flexibility works

[zinc rivet]

especially since Pteranodon can fucking run on it's hindlegs in this game i dont see why Stego tail can't be flexy

it kinda does tho

[urban flax]

Basically you need to make a much tighter arc to hit something that is closer to your pivot point

[zinc rivet]

and Stegosaurus has a long tail

a long, broad yet thin tail designed for swinging, swiping, and curling

[teal parrot]

Good point.

[zinc rivet]

not really

coz he's comparing an arm with only two joints to Stegosaurus vertebrae

aka vertebrae known for really really good horizontal flexion

[urban flax]

The number of joints don't change the laws of physics

Every joint can bend to a certain extent

[zinc rivet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423939730544132096/871063442965032990/unknown.png

🤷‍♀️

[urban flax]

What makes stego's tail flexible is that each one of its tail vertebrae can bend much more than most animals
Our elbow can bend to around 120°
A stegosaurus tail vertebra could bend way less, because vertebrae aren't normally made to bend a lot
The fact it has a lot of joints makes for much more flexibility

[zinc rivet]

exactly

I'm not calling for Stegosaurus to be able to touch it's ass with it's own tail

[urban flax]

Also on your picture it looks like the steg is bending its tail to its maximum, yet it's not touching its hip

[zinc rivet]

I'm not calling for that maximum amount of flexion

[urban flax]

If it wanted to extend further, maybe it could reach its head, but still not its hip

[zinc rivet]

but think about how far out Utah would be sitting on Stego's sides

Stego can definitely curl it's tail enough to catch the Utah

[urban flax]

I'm not thinking about that I'm just trying to explain why landing closer to its tail is actually safer than latching near its head

[zinc rivet]

yea it's not, coz it's tryna catch the Utah not stab itself

[urban flax]

Actually I got another example
It's safer to grab a snake by the base of the head than by the tip of its tail, even if the tip of the tail is further away from its fangs

[zinc rivet]

duh

if you pounced back here yeah the tail isn't catching you

but then the Stego is gonna buck and swing and throw u off

and there's no vital areas back there that would be worth clawing up

it's just muscle

it'd fuckin hurt but nothin a little adrenaline can't fix

if Utah is tearing in enough to full on rip apart and disable the muscles then the Stego isn't trying to get it off or the Utah has hyperendocrine level claws and fangs

[teal parrot]

This.

@nimble yoke I think the patrolling function could be accomplished without bringing global chat back. For instance, a menu feature that reports or broadcasts location of a crime to admins, maybe with a description. It could be read by admins, and include a ping on the map and the ability to accept an auto teleport to the location of the issue. It might also automatically capture the ID names of all players within a certain radius around the incident.
And finally, it could all be accomplished from the death screen, meaning KOS could be patrolled and reported even if the victim was dead.

Maybe it could also create a record even if no admin was present to read it, which could be useful if a lot of players are around an area, but someone has a habit of KOS and their name pops up in multiple KOS reports.

[nimble yoke]

Aight, now how about the other uses of global chat like being able to talk to other species over a channel everyone can read

[teal parrot]

Good point. I think this is EXACTLY the thing they don’t want people to do, talk to other species, or talk over vast distances.

One thing we as players might do to circumvent this is to develop a tap code which we can utilize via the F key, to communicate basic information between species.

[nimble yoke]

all right, but why not give servers the option to turn it on then?

[teal parrot]

Heck we could even utilize it Via broadcast. Heck I like my idea a lot! Why did I not think of this before… lol

Ok that I agree with

Servers who want it should be able to have that option I think, cuz options are just good imo.

[paper oriole]

An allo will destroy magy with its claws/grapple which will render being toxic useless and having to keep up a specific diet for something that only makes it inconvenient for predators to use a certain type of attack against you seems like a lost cause

[hoary dawn]

in the future servers that want it will have the option to mod it in

[nimble yoke]

feels like modding in a feature that should be in the base game

[hoary dawn]

it really shouldn't, it adds nothing to the game and detriments the survival horror aspect they're going for

[pure rain]

U can just like do what legacy did though, have an option to only see local or group chat

Plus, you know isle doesnt like modding being in the game

[scarlet verge]

valid point there, unless for specific creatures that the effects of either its flesh are too against its diet, or it could possibly out turn the predator if it has a head start.
I have seen many prey animals deploy this tactic. and i dont see allo turning well at full tilt speed.

[hoary dawn]

that doesn't matter, if someone wants to rat out your location to the entire server it wont matter if you can see the chat or not

[hoary dawn]

and modding has been confirmed to come at some point

[nimble yoke]

that why you make it an option

[paper oriole]

Magy is a slow animal the size of teno, its begging to be KFSed by mid tiers whether they can eat it or not

KFS probably amounts for over half the kills in this game

Even herbivores will kfs it

[pure rain]

People rat out locations not all too much, and if they do, they can do it pretty easily in vcs or discords, literally discords of isle servers have "global chat" as their channels all cause they find global chat that needed for isle

So it wont make much of a difference

[hoary dawn]

i've seen ratting people out done many times

[nimble yoke]

also how many people even play the isle how its meant to be played? I still see mixpacks and over sized packs

[pure rain]

Global chat might add shitty stuff, but good stuff is overweighing that in my view

[hoary dawn]

what exactly is the "good stuff"

[paper oriole]

Global chat should be basegame only in sandbox servers

[hoary dawn]

^

[pure rain]

Or ya know, have it as a server option if u guys dont like it

[scarlet verge]

is this factual atm that it will be slow? if not i know amargasaurus a much larger hebivore has been said to move at speeds of 30mph. and magy is smaller and lighter from its in game design ( from what i see)
So depending on how the devs take magy it can use speed to some degree, on top of other factors that are likely not being mentioned rn that could be implemented.
so its good to throw these ideas around.

[pure rain]

let the owners decide

[scarlet verge]

Also yes^

[odd sedge]

No.
Global chat in a survival horror game makes no sense

[hoary dawn]

it shouldn't be an option for the survival gamemode

[paper oriole]

I dont wanna have to install like 5 global mods just to talk in different deathmatch servers because you can be sure there wont just be one mod for it, but if a survival server wants it in global it should just be modded in, theres no reason to have it in a survival setting

[pure rain]

and the good parts are being able to actually bloody talk to ur friends from far distances / talk to say another herbi when u are in a herd

and its a survival game but it aint horror

[nimble yoke]

survival no rules would like a piece of that global chat

[odd sedge]

The devs would disagree

[pure rain]

least not the main bit of it is horror, you want horror? turn it into only local chat and there u go

[paper oriole]

The devs want it to be horror eventually

[odd sedge]

They literally intend to make it horror

[pure rain]

My boy go read up on what tags doom has and tell me that the devs were true to those tags

[hoary dawn]

its literally meant to be a survival horror game

[nimble yoke]

for some dinos, doubt a rex is horror

[zinc rivet]

Magy should not be fighting Allo or living with it in the first place @scarlet verge. Just make them live in different biomes

[hoary dawn]

first sentence in the steam page

[paper oriole]

What will stop allo from just traveling the map and killing magy anyway?

[pure rain]

If you want horror, as I said, go to a server without global chat , but let some servers add it where it isnt for horror

[paper oriole]

You gonna cram magy on a little island off the main isle like it was irl because its a useless animal?

[zinc rivet]

To me I feel like they mean horror as in the fear of not dying rather than AH SPOOKY JUMPSCARE

Like they want you to get immersed and be always listening for any potential threats and always be alert, so that if you are ambushed it makes your senses go I KNEW IT TIME TO FUCKING RUN rather than be like FNAF Jumpscares but with dinosaurs

[nimble yoke]

well right now its more so grow to fighting strength and kill everything

[barren zephyr]

Yeah game isn’t finished and won’t be finished for a very…..very long time.

[hoary dawn]

if you want global chat, go in a server that modded it in or a sandbox server that would fit having global chat as an option

[pure rain]

ok .

oh wait, no mods.

no sandbox either.

[hoary dawn]

ok then, just dont play with global

[zinc rivet]

Nothing can outright stop it, but it can be helped. Put Magy in dense Jungles and make Allo live in grasslands and savannahs. Allo's food won't be found in dense jungles, it's difficult to navigate in them, it's easier for Magy to escape Allo in them, and all the Allo will get out of killing the Magy is being able to go "haha Magy bad" and then get lost or stuck in the jungle and starve to death because it has no prey items in the jungle

[nimble yoke]

again, no rule survival servers also want a piece of the global chat cake please and shouldn't have to mod it in considering they are among the most popular servers

[scarlet verge]

oh definitely yes, i never said the too should be fighting more or less one run away from the other if it sees anything like it anywhere near it. a biome difference will likely help a good deal as well.

[pure rain]

I am currently, and its so shitty and tedious

[zinc rivet]

You can't outright prevent the players from just doing things, but you can encourage and discourage things to the point where it just won't be a viable method of play

[hoary dawn]

how would being able to use the isle as a chatroom for your friends make it less tedious

[pure rain]

wdym?

[paper oriole]

Literally griefing is the only reason an allo will need to motivate it to to go out of its way to kill one. And get stuck in the jungle? No lol, literally sniff for 2 seconds and go back the way you came in after annihilating a magy for a minute of shits and giggles. This is the isle, people kill for fun or because they know someone cant do anything about it

[hoary dawn]

you say the isle is "shitty and tedious" without global, what exactly does global add to the game itself that makes it less so? talking to people is fun but what does it contribute to the gameplay

[paper oriole]

I think you are probably overhyping diets as well too, especially for the carnivores

An allo will likely face little to no punishment for wasting a couple minutes to kill something it cant eat and leave the body

[pure rain]

well lets admins run events or rulebreaks if the server has rules or whatnot

[paper oriole]

Events can be run on sandbox, rulebreaks can have an admin messaging chat. EZ

[scarlet verge]

oh yes griefers will grief regardless i know that for sure, but you aint taking a ferrari into dense brush are ya? it would be a pain and put the allo in dager of other more adapted jungle preds i think for them to do that.

[pure rain]

Gives you advantages to anyone whos dumb enough to rat out their location in global lol

[zinc rivet]

Yeah I said the only motivation is just to troll. If you make the diets harsh enough and the biomes spread out enough, then making trips into the jungle to search for one specific animal just to kill it might end up with you sitting there hungry and needing an actual meal and wondering why the fuck you wandered into this super dense jungle that not only houses Magy, but might also be home to other dangers that could threaten you.

Nothing can outright stop it, but it can be made just unviable and not worth it

[pure rain]

yeah but that shit isnt added yet man, If it would be id be chilling

[paper oriole]

If carno in legacy could go into the forest to kill some juvie diablo it heard then an allo in evrima can go into the jungle to do the same to a magy

[zinc rivet]

have u tried running into jungles after anything as Carno

[hoary dawn]

that doesn't improve the game, that is an advantage exclusive to servers that dont follow the intended gameplay

[zinc rivet]

shit's unbearable

i'd rather break my ankle IRL and run on that

[paper oriole]

Well thats you

Ive done it to kfs juvies

I am toxic

[nimble yoke]

to be fair never heard any talk of global chat being bad until evrima, on legacy you could turn it off if you wanted realism or horror so why not do the opposite in evrima and let servers who want to be more of an open world survival game have it

[pure rain]

so you say you have to follow the intended gameplay like u are nailed to some rules which devs said they dont want any rules to be in the game

[paper oriole]

And i will do it to magy too

[zinc rivet]

Maybe try not being toxic, it's not healthy

[paper oriole]

No.

[nimble yoke]

not like anyone would follow rules if they want to be toxic

[zinc rivet]

your own fault 🤷‍♀️ we'll just have to see who's laughing when Magy finally does arrive

in 3 years xd

[paper oriole]

Its not my own fault if magy is free kfs bait

But what ever lol

[hoary dawn]

what? i dont think that a police force telling you how to play the game adds to the experience, i like mechanics guiding you naturally to play the game a certain way

[zinc rivet]

it's your own fault for choosing to be toxic

[paper oriole]

If they find some miraculous way to make magy work then good on them

[paper oriole]

Its how the isle is

[zinc rivet]

doesn't have to be how you are

[paper oriole]

It isnt just me, its the way a pvp community functions

[barren zephyr]

It does if you don’t want to starve to death

[zinc rivet]

hunting for food is different from kfsing

[paper oriole]

If magy is unviable it will be treated as a punching bag and that isnt the fault of the people KFSing

[barren zephyr]

killing for fun all the time =more food so I see it as a win in the long run

[scarlet verge]

mmm i go for a sandwich and i see this convo devolved

[zinc rivet]

Magy will be viable and people will still do everything in their power to kill it for no reason other than just to kill it, or they will put it in scenarios that it just can not survive and use that as evidence to say it's unviable i.e. having a Magy stand in the middle of center grasslands and broadcast

nothing in the game will be invincible

[hoary dawn]

magy wont be viable if they stick with the "it tastes bad" thing

[paper oriole]

How do you know it will be viable? What are they going to do to make it visble? Please enlighten us

[zinc rivet]

viable just means it can realistically survive to adult whilst meeting various creature interactions

[zinc rivet]

they've said that's just a bonus, not it's main thing

[paper oriole]

Viable means it can run or hide from its predators or defend itself reliably, all while not looking fucking stupid doing it

[hoary dawn]

i would very much like to see its main thing

[zinc rivet]

because every single animal in the game atm is viable, and they are taking allot more care into creature balancing. I see no reason why they wouldn't make it viable

[barren zephyr]

Hypsi

[paper oriole]

Stego

[barren zephyr]

[paper oriole]

Well, stego is viable as long as every utah has the iq of a rock

[pure rain]

So go for that way, but it dont mean you have to strictly do it that way, let people be more loose in the game while u can do ur immersive spooky game | Btw, I have never had any horror taken away from the isle on legacy as global chat didnt help me for shit when I started out and was freaking out over rex footsteps while I was growing my baby utahs lol

It doesnt go against ur needs , least the global I want. I want the legacy global

[zinc rivet]

all of em are viable 🤷‍♀️ they definitely need work and refining and balance changing but you can survive as them

[hoary dawn]

that's why modding and sandbox servers would exist, for more loose gameplay

[paper oriole]

So we can say magy is viable as long as every allo, alberto, and any other fast mid tier player is blind and deaf

[barren zephyr]

Not as hypsi you can’t

[paper oriole]

Or they lower those animals' speeds tremendously and make them bad too

[zinc rivet]

Magy just needs to not live with Allosaurus and Albertosaurus, be able to fend off Ceratosaurus and anything smaller than Cerato, and be able to avoid apexes through living and hiding in the dense jungles or running away

[paper oriole]

Allo and albert will still go into its biome and kfs it

[zinc rivet]

how can you know that since you claim i can't know it will work in Magy's favor

[paper oriole]

People wont stay in their preferred biomes unless it destroys them not to, pretty sure the devs dont want to force people to stay in their biomes all the time either

[nimble yoke]

people will go out of their way to be dicks just look at kosing stegs and tenos

[zinc rivet]

navigating Evrima's jungles are hell, good luck being a savannah hunter finding prey in a jungle

[paper oriole]

Are you gonna put an electric barb wire fence around each biome? No? Then it wont keep people in them

Even carnos rn travel through the forested areas

Ive seen them a lot

[scarlet verge]

eh it will die die once it is out i think after a bit, as they will get bored and do something else as they have to move to other stuff i believe as once allo and alberto is out theyll be doing other things

[pure rain]

..again, it aint here.

[scarlet verge]

not that some wont try still

[zinc rivet]

ofc Magy will be killed by stuff

it's not invincible

[hoary dawn]

the game is still in development my guy

[zinc rivet]

that's not what viable means tho

[paper oriole]

It will be a onesided confrontation where the outmatched opponent is slower than the attacker

[pure rain]

7 years in development

[paper oriole]

Literally no one said it should be invincible

[zinc rivet]

Magy can fight off Cerato and smaller, hide from or run away from the large apexes, and it just shouldn't live with Allo and Alberto

[hoary dawn]

evrima has only been around for a little more than a year

[paper oriole]

So you are admitting its unviable against allo and alberto, plus theres no way to actually separate them

[scarlet verge]

also i think they got some reigns on a specific dev, and got out some of the issues they had prior

[zinc rivet]

I never said I could see it fighting back against them or running away from them

my solution this whole time has been to separate them

[paper oriole]

If an alberto sees a magy should the magy just die? Do you believe this is viable?

[zinc rivet]

and i've given ways to encourage keeping em away from each other

[paper oriole]

How will you separate them

Encourage

lol

[scarlet verge]

miragaia my guy needs to chill somewhat, he appears to be livid

[limber pelican]

I have 3 quick questions. / 1. Will you be able to pick up your babies in evrima? / 2. You know how in JWE they have those fight stances? Will there ever be something like that? / 3. Will there be a Volcano on the island?

[zinc rivet]

but you won't accept them because you're so tunnel visioned on killing magy just to kill magy

[paper oriole]

“Please dont go into this biome to kill the animals that cant fight back, mister allo” ok problem solved. Amazing

[zinc rivet]

🙄

[paper oriole]

A mild inconvenience will dissuade people from going out of their biome to PvP?

[zinc rivet]

you won't have food in that jungle, and the one thing you spent a ton of time and energy searching for to kill won't give you a meal, and there are many other threats living in there that are actually able to kill you

that seems not worth enough to me

[paper oriole]

And you know this how? Magy isnt the only jungle animal

[zinc rivet]

know which part

[paper oriole]

And it isnt worth enough to you, but to a ton if people it is

[scarlet verge]

1 i dont think so, 2 not most dinos ( i have seen kentro in official art with it), and 3 no i dont think so.

[zinc rivet]

nobody can know anything about stuff that isn't ingame yet or even in development, i'm talking by my suggestion for balancing magy and allo

[paper oriole]

People want to be entertained, beating on some defenseless dwarf sauropod for a couple minutes is enough for a lot of people

[limber pelican]

Okay. Thank you so much! :d

• 😄

[zinc rivet]

risking losing an allosaurus by starvation or predation is worth a little trolling

[hoary dawn]

i think its pretty likely we'll see a volcano at some point

[paper oriole]

Starvation? For leaving your preferred biome for 5 minutes? Lmao

[zinc rivet]

what? 5 minutes? it'd easily be way longer

i can imagine it'd be like half an hour search

[paper oriole]

##it could and it could not

[zinc rivet]

maybe more

[odd sedge]

Heck, I watched a pack of Herreras go ham on a sub rex while renesting every fallen member and it tickled me pink.

Beating up someone's sauropod and winning is some fine entertainment

[scarlet verge]

oh i thought they didnt want disasters like volcanoes?

[paper oriole]

And an allosaurus wont crumble and die from eating something in the jungle either

[zinc rivet]

no it won't

[paper oriole]

Yeah exactly lol

[zinc rivet]

but it won't get diet benefits

so it'll slowly become malnourished

making it weaker

maybe weak enough to where Magy would outstam it

[paper oriole]

Whole packs of utahs rn even will go out of their way to hunt down a single hypsi in the jungle

[zinc rivet]

coz there's nothing stopping em atm

systems aren't in yet

[hoary dawn]

idk about erupting volcanos, but just volcanos on the map for the fun of it. there was a volcano on thenyaw so

[zinc rivet]

Magy as the game currently is probably won't work, they need to finish it up allot more

[scarlet verge]

oh that is true i thought they were referring to active ones, and i forgot about that for a hot sec

[zinc rivet]

Magy needs properly expanded diets, more biomes, more animals, allot more foundation mechanics such as diets/fractures etc to work

oh i said diets twice

[paper oriole]

Im fairly certain predator diets wont be so strict that eating one or two odd things will cripple them, due to the unstable supply and demand in prey. Its what ive heard from somewhere at least

[zinc rivet]

i never said that

[paper oriole]

Magy should just be deleted honestly

But they already wasted the money on it

[zinc rivet]

have you tried enjoying things before

[paper oriole]

They literally picked the worse sauropod they could

They probably googled dwarf sauropod and picked the first result

[zinc rivet]

honestly i believe they did lol

it's funny

[hoary dawn]

just upsize magy and make it a cc tank, boom

[paper oriole]

Make magy not magy

[hoary dawn]

literal

[zinc rivet]

it already isn't magy at all tbh

it looks nothing like any Sauropod known

at this point i dont view it as a Magyarosaurus

it's an entirely fictional animal to me

just called Magy

but i think the design looks really nice so i like it

[paper oriole]

Man i cant believe other small sauropods like amarga, shuno and bajada exist that actually have spikes and shit that they could defend themselves with but they went with the island dwarf that went extinct irl immediately after a landbridge opened to its safe space

[zinc rivet]

those other "small sauropods" are actually pretty big though

they wanted a genuinely small sauropod

i really hope we get Amarga tho

[paper oriole]

The question though is

Why

[zinc rivet]

idk 🤷‍♀️

they just wanted it

[paper oriole]

Man i wish we got amarga or bajada

Feelsbadman

[sacred moat]

Yeaahh same here

[scarlet verge]

dondi was talking on twiter about amarga to some degree so there is some hope

[hoary dawn]

i doubt

[zinc rivet]

btw Amargasaurus very likely lived with Carcharodontosaurs I learned recently after sifting through multiple scientific papers about Amargasaurus and La Amarga formation, there are some very scrappy Theropod remains and teeth that can be attributed to Carcharodontosaurids

[paper oriole]

He mentioned it but i aint keeping my hopes too high lol

[zinc rivet]

so if we get Amargasaurus, it better be able to fend off Giga and Rex like it rightfully should

[sacred moat]

They most likely aren't adding it since we're getting magy

[zinc rivet]

Magy and Amarga are not comparable at all

we can have both

Amarga dwarves Magy massively

[paper oriole]

Yeah magy is a walking gorepile and amarga is a big giraffe porcupine badass

[sacred moat]

I mean we have magy cama and brachi

[scarlet verge]

eh i wouldnt say that we could likely have both as they fill different roles

[zinc rivet]

Amarga is still a very different niche from all three

[hoary dawn]

the roster is locked in, unless they change their minds we aren't getting anymore new dinos for a looooong time

[paper oriole]

Tapwing's baja instead of magy

[zinc rivet]

Magy - jungle dweller
Camara - middle high browser
Brachio - high browser
Amarga - low middle browser

[scarlet verge]

welp leeroy went out the way he wanted,

[zinc rivet]

Tap's Bajada is so cool, shame the animal is only known from a single neck spine and skull fragments so all we can reconstruct it as is just backwards Amarga

[hasty dagger]

Tap Shuno

[paper oriole]

MMMM hot

[scarlet verge]

shunnooooo!

[paper oriole]

Magy wishes it could be a good animal like these two

[scarlet verge]

yes!

i love that guy

[sacred moat]

I dont see the point of magy even being a thing if its self defense card against bigger carnivores is that it'll be toxic to eat

Kosing is very much a thing

[zinc rivet]

it won't be toxic

Punch deconfirmed that

[paper oriole]

It will just taste bad

[zinc rivet]

it just won't provide good food and may cause you to have the nausea debuff as a bonus

[sacred moat]

EVEN WORSE

[zinc rivet]

not it's main thing

[scarlet verge]

welp before this mess starts again im off for a party cya

[sacred moat]

Also have they said anything about troodons venom? (Like what it will do?)

[barren zephyr]

Magy only tasting bad is pretty bad like, it wont stop carnis going around and killing them, Rip my dreams

[hoary dawn]

we can assume from the concept art it'll have something to do with stamina draining, maybe applying something like the sickness debuff you get for overeating, i haven't seen any dev comments about its specific nature

[sacred moat]

Yeah I was thinking that!

Like it will make your dino throw up and slowly drain its stats

Thats kinda scary ngl

[hoary dawn]

ye

troodon'll be great

[sacred moat]

I hope beipi will have great underwater vision due to its large eyes

[paper oriole]

utahs moving around the target theyre pouncing? so like the dragons dogma climbing?

would be nice to have something like that instead of the socketing bs we got rn

[pure fossil]

Remember that in DD monsters could shake for drain your stam and force you to go down, or directly kick you out from them depending which area you were:
#for example, cyclops could grab you directly if you were near the head/neck area

Maybe we could implement something like that for both sides. Climbing and shaking. Not to op, not to weak

[paper oriole]

yeah DD had multiple 'bucking' types with grabbing, rolling or actual bucking. would be cool to see a climbing and bucking system similar to that implemented

the socket system rn is so lame

[pure fossil]

I will not even discuss a fact like that hahahaha

[paper oriole]

imagine a utah scooting up the neck of a brachi and just getting swung off flying

man that would be good to see

[pure fossil]

Well, then Utah could sure use it’s feathers lmao

Learn to fly yk 😂

[paper oriole]

i think the poor bastard is too fat even if he did have feathers skin lol

maybe they can pad his fall lol

the climbing system could also be used for arboreals to move around the trunk of a tree and on branches

we dont need frozen winters on a tropical island lol

a wet and dry season would be more fitting and less annoying

and would accomplish mor or less the same thing of encouraging migration

[barren zephyr]

Is that all tho like its gonna only be a tropical island

I mean i see your point but

[paper oriole]

unless thenyaw isnt tropical when it makes a return yeah

[hoary dawn]

if there's ever a map that isn't a tropical island it would be cool

that modded map on legacy that lasted like a week was fun

[barren zephyr]

Hope thenyaw makes a return so winters could be a thing that would be nice

So since its a tropical island why not have hurricanes and heavy flooding

[hoary dawn]

the reason the devs gave for not having flooding was that flooded foliage would be fucky to make look good

[barren zephyr]

I didnt think flooded anything would look good irl

So if a drought makes slightly more sense to have on a tropical island would a heavy drought be a good or bad idea cuz thats all heat barely any breeze and dying plants

[zinc rivet]

they can do droughts they've said

[paper oriole]

a wet season could probably be predetermined areas being flooded, like watering holes, but yeah like in BoB where you see straight up trees underwater looks pretty bad

[zinc rivet]

one though i had though was why not try to design water sources so the land around them is designed with higher water level in mind so a standard lake is technically only like halfway filled but i can see that causing complications

[hoary dawn]

there's already a base version of the drought system in the dev branch

[zinc rivet]

yea predetermined areas is what i was tryna get at

[hoary dawn]

ye

[nimble nebula]

feathered playable velociraptor, yes? no? maybe so?

[paper oriole]

Yeah feathered velo with unpronated arms

Please

[hoary dawn]

glide

g

[paper oriole]

God i hope they dont ruin velo like the jp ripoff utah that doesn’t even look like a bald utah

Even beipis wrists were pronated in some pics and it looked so bad

Why do they think it looks cool

[nimble nebula]

yea i know at least make it semi accurate maybe scale the size up like accurate deinonychus but keep the small nimble to it please

[paper oriole]

The size doesnt need to be scaled up honestly

[nimble nebula]

i agree

[paper oriole]

They should drop the momentum climbing shit they had for utah in the concept and give it to velo instead, give him a minor glide/softfall, make him better than most carnivores at scaling terrain, and perhaps make him the best burrow raider

[nimble nebula]

yes i love that maybe not burrow though and maybe give them something like speed boost and a higher jump

[modern schooner]

I wonder how different velociraptor and troodon will be in their abilities

[paper oriole]

Id imagine velo would be more of a small tier brawler compared to troo who would use venom to wear you out with minimal prolonged contact

But idk

Maybe velo would get a pounce similar to utah's where he targets his opponent's back and neck rather than their side

[modern schooner]

So multiple troodons could take down larger animals?

[paper oriole]

Yeah i think thats the devs' intention

Sort of what wild dogs do, but with venom

Wear their opponents out with minimal contact compared to something like a lion

[modern schooner]

Sounds sick. I hope we will see feathers for both

[teal parrot]

You play dragons dogma?! Me too!

[pure fossil]

Ofc dude! RN I was playing my second round. MK Dififculy mode OP has heck 😂 and ready for return to Dark Arisen. Best ambiance ever

[sacred moat]

Feathered velo is Supreme, but yeah it should for sure have very high fall damage resistance. Make it a little more viable for getting away from bigger predators

[paper oriole]

Dragons dogma is based

[sacred moat]

Imo is should have the same type of fall resistance like dryo, if not slightly better

[hallow vigil]

@steep warren if it helps, i think crab AI is confirmed. I assume they will roam the coastline, and will be food for whatever goes there

[steep warren]

Ya that will help

[hallow vigil]

🥳

[steep warren]

the seaturtles will also help but there has to be water or eles no ones going there

[undone hill]

so when is the cute chonky ankylosaurus being added

[paper oriole]

Ankylosaurus is no longer chonky so never lol

[undone hill]

oh nooo lol dang whats it look like now

[paper oriole]

Have you not seen? I am sorry

I am so sorry

[undone hill]

oh no

[lapis tree]

At least the head looks cute

Every thing else is questionable

[tawny juniper]

Personally, I think it looks really cool but I just kind of dislike that it's obviously a rhino etc.

[undone hill]

i mean as long as i can still bonk people its good

bro stego and ankys being in a herd sounds op

[half karma]

THANK YOU for the wipe warning!!!!

[gritty helm]

That's all I think when I see this anky

[undone hill]

dang i was going to do that

[pulsar lake]

The poor boy

[undone hill]

its going to be ok

... i think

it would be cool if you hit a small thing with its tail and made it go flying

ragdoll and all

[hoary dawn]

a spectator camera would be abuse-able af

[undone hill]

perhaps

[paper oriole]

The superior anky redesign

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423939730544132096/845459712395968522/defqgyj-671813a1-bcba-45eb-9db0-d9382bfc9257.png

[ashen elm]

[undone hill]

omg

its

its

perfect

[keen bear]

Hello they work on the crocodiles i can’t find them

[compact hare]

which branch of the game are you playing on

[keen bear]

Branch?

[compact hare]

there are Legacy branch and Evrima branch

2 versions of the game

the Evrima branch has the crocodile

you can swich to evrima branch by going to proprieties>betas>Public Evrima branch
and install it

[keen bear]

Oohhh lol

[compact hare]

hehe

[keen bear]

Ok thx man

[compact hare]

your welcome

[gritty helm]

Spectator cam would def be abusable but a cinematic mode would be fine imo

[karmic plank]

Like to see a Utah pounce that