#general-feedback-discussion

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pale crest
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however the mixpacking and inconsistencies in general play styles-ignoring the glitches- would probs ease a lot of people if it was adressed

karmic plank
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Thing people need to remember is The Isle is a sandbox game, like Just Cause or GTA or that kind of thing - you need to give people as many possible ways to play and get stuff done as possible

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Some things are going to be better or stronger than others, but you should find ways to balance that instead of just banning it

pale crest
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I'm still kinda upset at the fact they hardly did anything about the combat though tbh considering they released two frickin updates recently

karmic plank
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I was in game Dev years and years ago, you really have to pick and choose what you prioritise

pale crest
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true. and it's probably out of context for them to suddenly focus on improving stuff that's been put on hold for so long while they're already working on new stuff that's technicaly considered a top priority

karmic plank
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Its a big multivariable system too, like you could say: Deino too strong, just nerf forehead... But maybe they are planning map changes which will also nerf them

pale crest
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Oml yeah, I dont quite mind the strength and weaknesses of each dino

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tbh if you grew it up this far as an adult, you probably know what you're doing

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However I just feel that some suggestions feel quite ignored when some minor things implemented would potentially cause leway for bettered updates maybe???

karmic plank
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Yeah, it's hard to stay motivated and providing suggestions when there isn't really any feedback from the devs

pale crest
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like how they're getting ready to launch the diet update sometime- that's sort of what I'm talking about

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some of the minor stuff in it I feel would be rlly nice to see in the game

karmic plank
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Some studios have publicly viewable ticket systems showing what they are working on, what is being seriously considered... They have chosen not to do that with TI but there's lots of reasons that could be

pale crest
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I think of bit of critisism on some recent suggestions would be great to hear from the devs tbh so we'd know they're rlly considering what the playbase would desire to be publicized

karmic plank
pale crest
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cause aside from the diet update, I'm not quite seeing a lot of the stuff the game needs to be implemented or thats been suggested for ages though tbh

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like we didn't quite need an update 3. We needed a patch for the glitches and inconsistencies that occur when going on about the game even during the fights. Like the stuttering, the lagging, just some of the common things that already interfered with the current dinos or systems

karmic plank
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Punchpacket has been putting in extra effort to keep the community engaged and informed but some people are still very frustrated

pale crest
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both points are very true

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and the fact that it's hardly any dev that comes out of the blue to reply to comments about the game in discussion probs means how busy the team actually is

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But I think what's been scaring everyone is the possibility that they end up working on things that don't rlly need to be implemented

karmic plank
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Lag, optimisation, netcode stuff can be hard to just fix - chances are they already coded it the best they knew how, and so trying to work out a better way while they are trying to push out update 4 isn't really practical

pale crest
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what's with your hashtag btw lol?

karmic plank
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They may need to recruit an SME or subcontract to help with that stuff, which could take who knows how long

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Oh that

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I really want deinos to be able to carry babies around on their back

pale crest
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Oml

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that'd be so cute to see ;v;

karmic plank
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And other little dinos to be able to jump on top for ferry rides

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Get some cute little chill dryo asking for a lift across a river

pale crest
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you'd just be given a cute message that tels you you're about to mount their head or teef

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you probs would have to be a smol hatchling tho lol

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otherwise you'd be swallowed at your current growth

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you start out with

karmic plank
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Utahs should be able to jump on deino backs and potentially just go to town on them

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Obviously in water the deino can just submerge, but on land...

supple heath
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well i wasn't just think about a reptillian look specifically, I was thinking about some any iconic creature from paleo/ceno era like dimetridon, gastornis, saber-tooth cat

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but i get your reasoning

karmic plank
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One of my favourite things in TI is social dynamics between different species - last night at croc pond we had Utah invasion picking off baby deinos and a stego/teno/dryo group turned up and fought them

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We sort of all hung out for a while until a baby teno jumped in the pool and started biting random crocs

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It died and the adult tenos got pissed

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The stego was trying to get everyone to calm down, the dryos didn't know wth was going on and we're attacking everyone they could get... I sat there and let a dryo bite me until it got bored and realised we were the ones causing the trouble

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It was so much fun

honest sparrow
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You see all of those animals have been suggested before, and have been shot down for numerous reasons, usually due to clash of majorily reptillian aesthetic and a few things with feathers vs stuff with fur, as well as most niches already being filled by current additions to the roster (stuff like smilodon and terror birds), and some things being generally considered not viable by people

karmic plank
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I think all the playable should be dinos but having some different AI ones could be neat

paper oriole
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Megalania, deinosuchus, pteranodon and quetz aren't dinosaurs but they fit the aesthetic because theyre viable prehistoric reptiles. Mammals are gross

outer condor
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Goat Ai TI_Troll

supple heath
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do you think some permian creatures might fit the aesthetic?

paper oriole
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Not really

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Most mammalian megafauna would get outcompeted or hunted to extinction realistically too so it wouldn’t be all that immersive either

supple heath
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gorgonops, dimetrodon, edaphosaurus

paper oriole
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Goats and chickens are fodder animals accompanying mercs so they make some sense

supple heath
paper oriole
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Dime and edaph is free food and so is gorgon whose niche can be covered by a dino

honest sparrow
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Gorgonops I cannot see doing anything that is not already occupied by another animal

paper oriole
honest sparrow
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One is big snake other is big lizard

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It works

supple heath
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dinosaurs are more closely related to birds

paper oriole
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And

supple heath
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despite looking very reptilian

paper oriole
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Birds are reptiles

honest sparrow
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Birds are dinosaurs, dinosaurs are reptiles

supple heath
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not fully reptiles tho

paper oriole
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They are closely related, unlike mammals

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They have common evolutionary ancestors

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Mammals just dont fit the vibe

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Like that cringy dire wolf mod from old isle, that was so gross

supple heath
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while yes, they are more closely related to mammals, they look too close to reptiles so i doubt it would ruin the look of the game

paper oriole
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The synapsids you listed would be total fodder

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Especially edaph and dime

supple heath
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idk those are the popular ones

paper oriole
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They would basically be free snacks for predators

supple heath
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and there are plently of other dinos that seem to be fodder to most predators

paper oriole
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Not fast enough to escape and not strong enough to defend themselves

honest sparrow
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What would dimetrodon or edaphosaurus feasibly do to not get their asses kicked

honest sparrow
paper oriole
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Like this shit should be hilarious to see walking around in the game but we dont need thousands of dollars spent adding fodder animals that dont fit in

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supple heath
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dryo, hypsy, proto and velociraptor if they become playable

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idk

paper oriole
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Dryo can run so damn easily

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Dryo, hypsi and velo are all more viable than dimetrodon

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Dryo is fast and agile as fuck

supple heath
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i just thought it would be cool to add some diversity to the speicies rather than the predominant mesozoic species

paper oriole
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Well it is a dinosaur game

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If there was some mod that substituted the fauna in for mammals, prehistoric or otherwise, it would be a cool option but when it is mix-matched it doesnt feel right

honest sparrow
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Dryo- fast af, agility king, stam god, apparently has a burrow
Hypsi- small, spit, will eventually be able to climb
Proto- Really good burrower, able to block entrances from invaders with its frill and has a high damage bite
Velo- all terrain burrow invader, possible gliding

supple heath
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well... a dino game with mercenaries, orc tribesmen, and some cenozoic creatures

supple heath
paper oriole
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A dinosaur game about a modern day genetic engineering company specializing in dinosaurs

honest sparrow
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The Mesozoic roster is something the devs decided on, unfortunately it’s just kinda the way that it is, I would like a few more Cenozoic or Paleozoic representatives, but it’s whatever

paper oriole
honest sparrow
supple heath
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idk i think it would be to heavy to glide

honest sparrow
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And before you say anything, I live in an area with an abundance of roadrunners, and they’re able to glide and boost jumps with their wings

supple heath
honest sparrow
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And in a game with genetically modified dinos

paper oriole
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Even without feathers a velo could momentum climb to escape threats like what was shown in the utah concept sketches (an ability that utah really doesn't need)

vale pawn
paper oriole
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Utah is too heavy to be leaping around like a kangaroo on crack too but here we are

supple heath
supple heath
paper oriole
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There are also heavier flying animals i think

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So a gliding velo shouldnt be too much of an issue

supple heath
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perhaps

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but its all possible that the devs dont even give the velo feathers

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they didnt give the utah feathers so why would they give the velo feathers?

paper oriole
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Utah is a jurassic park ripoff thats why

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The devs love jurassic park

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So they made utah look and sound like one, thats why it is naked

supple heath
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i guess so but i always thought that the devs were just lazy or didnt have the resources when they released it bc feathers are hard to animate or apply physics to

paper oriole
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Hypsi is feathered though, and very flamboyantly so. It really is just because they love jp. Lazy? Not really, uncreative? Definitely

supple heath
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the devs probably had more resources and time to work on feathers than when the game was new and whenever utahs were released

karmic plank
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Also for every person who's like "ugh, more JP" there's probably 10 who would be like "but that doesn't look like a raptor?" If it was different

paper oriole
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We also had a feathered austroraptor in legacy that the devs animated

karmic plank
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I'd like to see more frills and feathers and sruff

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Head spines

supple heath
paper oriole
supple heath
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ah

karmic plank
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I'm guessing (hoping) most of the interesting additions to the current roster will be enabled through customisation

supple heath
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aight

paper oriole
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I hope utah's apparent future feathered option will have fixed arms

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Because even feathers look bad with pronated arms

supple heath
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what do you guys think about a future event where the community votes on say 2 herbs and 2 carnivs that were originally not going to be ported to evrima but based on the community vote, will be

karmic plank
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Community engagement for that sort of thing sounds good but it assumes that Devs don't already have a plan... and that people don't make silly suggestions

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Only a fraction of the active players are active in discord after all

supple heath
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define "silly suggestion"

karmic plank
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Giga now pls

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Bara and sucho both

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Even quetz now wouldn't worj

supple heath
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well they'ed probably advertise it somewhere ingame or on the yt channel

karmic plank
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I think it would be a great idea to say "here are the choices for next Dino, vote and we'll make it happen"

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But it should be a curated list not just open season

supple heath
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perhaps, but we dont know how strong the future confirmed dinosaurs will be

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so it could be balanced out in the future

karmic plank
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Yeah but you can't release something now balance later and just make people put up with it for a month

paper oriole
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Yi qi would die to a rat

supple heath
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i think if they put limitations on the voting, then it would kinda just be a waste of time from the community perspective

upper summit
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idc its cool

paper oriole
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What would it even interact with

supple heath
paper oriole
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A utah could sneeze in its general direction and it would die

upper summit
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it could just be an ai that fits diets or something and glides away if provoked

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idc

karmic plank
upper summit
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i just want it in the game

paper oriole
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What would have yi in its diet

karmic plank
paper oriole
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Its basically an insect that wouldnt be worth the effort to catch

supple heath
upper summit
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hmm

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idk

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maybe it can be an ai that lands on some dinos

paper oriole
upper summit
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and gets rid of parasites or something

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i dont think it'd do that

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but it just cool

supple heath
paper oriole
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Oh lol

supple heath
karmic plank
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You can't justify bad behaviour by saying "they'll manage, harden up buttercup"

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When the cost/benefit ratio is so low

supple heath
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adaption will come

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either from the devs or the community

karmic plank
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There is no reason not to release updates on complete, balanced patches... Except the ADHD of a minor few

supple heath
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devs might nerf an alpha legacy species from the start or later on when they recieve backlash, community servers will ban a certain alpha species if things get to out of hand

karmic plank
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Let me put it another way: No, I don't want to put up with janky broken crap just because someone is desperate for their favourite Dino to be playable right now please now

supple heath
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i just like the idea because it allows the community to voice their opinon as a sort of last ditch attempt before the evrima is completely finished

karmic plank
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Evrima isn't going to be finished for ages

supple heath
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but it will come

karmic plank
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It's a long term work in progress, like idk... Rimworld

karmic plank
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Besides, we are going to get mod support so you can always just add it yourself

supple heath
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im just thinking ahead

karmic plank
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Thinking ahead is great, but demanding immediate action for a possible future eventuality is another thing entirely

supple heath
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better now than never

karmic plank
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Better later than now

supple heath
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im not demanding immediate action, im demanding evented action

karmic plank
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Great, then make sure you give your suggestions in the appropriate channels and make sure you get support from the community so your suggestion gets taken seriously

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And remember Evrima is basically early access/beta with only a fraction of the expected end content

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@upper summit I actually like the idea of a small insectivore that Pteradactyls could prey on, which was one of the reasons I asked for more ambient insects in #ai-feedback

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It might be more interesting if they were somehow aligned with the tribal factions, too, being scouts or such

hoary dawn
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why the timer reaction? no way yi qi is coming

paper oriole
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If yi actually gets into the game i will eat a banana with the shell

icy lion
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@supple heath Everything from legacy is coming back except for puertasaurus

vale pawn
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the only thing on the voting is pue TI_Troll

supple heath
hoary dawn
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why wouldn't they

icy lion
supple heath
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i dont think it said that on the wiki tho and i cant seem to find it on their webpage

hasty dagger
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Wiki agony

icy lion
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wiki is garbo and the website is only really updated for devblogs

supple heath
icy lion
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but the only animal officially scrapped is puerta, which is being replaced by brachi

supple heath
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but the admins confirmed this correct?

hoary dawn
icy lion
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the devs have, yes

swift dew
paper oriole
honest sparrow
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Why did you say shell instead of peel

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That makes it worse

karmic plank
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Idk why but banana shell tickles my jimmies

karmic plank
icy lion
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oh god thats a lot

karmic plank
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We already have AI eating ptera after all

hoary dawn
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yi qi would be so tiny tho

karmic plank
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It would be hypsi sized, wouldn't it?

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Or is it smaller again

hoary dawn
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yi qi is significantly smaller

karmic plank
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Like modern day parrot size?

hoary dawn
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our hypsi goes up to a human's knee, a yi qi would go up like an ankle

karmic plank
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Ok so it might have a place as a tribal aligned critter but it would be so tiny compared to everything else out there

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Lemme just update my reaction real quick... lol

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We'd need a robust small critters roster all through the forests for it to even have a hope of a place

hoary dawn
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i love my boy yi qi, its just microscopic compared to everything else

karmic plank
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If it was like... Hypsi sized it could work, but that's really the bottom limit for FG playables I think, especially when most of the roster additions will be pushing sizes larger

paper oriole
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Changyuraptor would be a better arboreal glider if velo doesnt snag the niche

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Yi, arch and micro are all too small

honest sparrow
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Revert balaur back to a glider science

paper oriole
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Balaur omnivore arboreal glider would be hot ngl

karmic plank
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I really, really like the gameplay that could come out of a arboreal glider

paper oriole
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Same

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Shanag, balaur, velo or changyu could easily grab the role, rather than something so small a compy would curbstomp it

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Would be a real fun mobile gameplay

hoary dawn
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arboreal glider is my favorite conceptual playstyle

honest sparrow
hoary dawn
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to whom

honest sparrow
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The pterosaur supremacy club

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Members: me

hoary dawn
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tupa could be arboreal, and also possess the capability to glide

honest sparrow
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Not rea

hoary dawn
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no reality

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only 2 flyers and maybe 1 more for you, no fun allowed - dondi

honest sparrow
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Both of which are carnivores

paper oriole
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herbis not allowed to get any love

last lily
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Fun fact.. Male Pteranodon DWARFED the females.

karmic plank
last lily
karmic plank
last lily
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A h, my bad, rip.

paper oriole
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yeah i dont think magy will be worth a 3hr growth time, probably wont even be worth 2

barren zephyr
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it should be around the growth time of a teno imo

paper oriole
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if even, unless they pull some crazy shit it seems like a slower clunkier teno

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also if it poisoned you for biting it i feel that it may be exploitable but idk

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i feel like magy could harass predators in vulnerable situations like eating a kill and the preds would be punished for defending themselves

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if the poison is strong, it's exploitable. if it's weak it's useless

barren zephyr
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if they aren’t making magy a defensive fighter, it should have a pretty short growth time

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Magy needs to have some defensive capabilities or it’s just garbage

paper oriole
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even if they are making him defensive, tenonto looks superior in every way

barren zephyr
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yeah, faster. can stun, has more options for attacking and such

paper oriole
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pretty sure magy is small enough that carnos charge can still knock it over, it looks slower than teno so it will get screwed by mid tiers

barren zephyr
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how to solve the magy crisis-remove magy TI_Troll

paper oriole
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terminate magy

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replace magy with spiky boi

barren zephyr
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replace it with epicer shunosaurus or bajadasaurus

honest sparrow
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Magy is smaller than teno

paper oriole
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i'm still baffled by their decision on magy, did they google dwarf sauropod and decide to add what ever was the first result?

last lily
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How to make Magy better: make it be a bigger sauropod all along with the elder system, so that it just poofs into a better animal.

barren zephyr
honest sparrow
last lily
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Disguised as a dwarf sauropod.

barren zephyr
paper oriole
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a vote among people who hate herbis probably lol

honest sparrow
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Yeah it won against amarga

barren zephyr
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NO WAY

paper oriole
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"we can't give herbis a cool small sauropod, let's vote on the shittiest option"

honest sparrow
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Way.

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Incoming joke

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It’s coming

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Almost there

barren zephyr
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joke not found

honest sparrow
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Fuck

paper oriole
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the devs voting on magy over amarga or baja proves they hate herbi mains or sauropod fans lmao

barren zephyr
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Definitely

honest sparrow
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Amarga is the main one I remember it beating but I believe there were other sauropods in consideration

barren zephyr
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there’s no way magy is better than amarga or bajad

paper oriole
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bajada, amarga, shuno, ampelo... there are so many better small sauropods

barren zephyr
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Shuno is actually pretty large, but it’s close enough

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to be considered a small sauropod

honest sparrow
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Ampelo and shuno might have been in consideration

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My memory is a bit busted on the details, and since old isle discussion was deleted TI_Trollge

barren zephyr
paper oriole
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they coulda at least given magy the ampelo armour instead of the weird useless looking scab scutes it got

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go crazy and make it spiky like that outrageous paleo art of ampelo

barren zephyr
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roster splitting. . . troll_husk

paper oriole
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the continuous bringing up of a roster split makes me really worry about how they're going to balance things they dont want to be on the same map

barren zephyr
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I don’t necessarily hate magy. I just hate the fact that the devs refuse to tell us a good reason how it’s viable or why it should stay in game.

paper oriole
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i dont hate the animal, i hate that it's in the game when there are so many better options

barren zephyr
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it’s a waste of time and money when they can’t even figure out a way to make it viable

honest sparrow
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I remember when the concept art came out, and the entire community collectively shit it’s pants when there were no clues as to how magy was gonna actually work

barren zephyr
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making it taste bad?? Like really?

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Come on guys. You can do better than that .

honest sparrow
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People have come up with genuinely good magy ideas

barren zephyr
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they won’t listen either

paper oriole
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i had a shitty camouflage magy idea a while back

barren zephyr
honest sparrow
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But the fact that it took actual months to like finally get one that worked, on top of no commentary on it by any of the devs when it’s a major concern is just TI_Yikes

barren zephyr
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They need to do polls or something before making ideas. Kinda like what BoB does

last lily
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The only way to make Magy viable: invisibility cloak

barren zephyr
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give it wings

paper oriole
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i bet the reason magy was a dev vote instead of a community vote is because they didnt want an actual good small sauropod to receive the most votes

honest sparrow
paper oriole
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they should have made it a community vote among a set of options

barren zephyr
honest sparrow
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Uhhhh, no

barren zephyr
paper oriole
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magy amagy amogus

barren zephyr
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magy sus

honest sparrow
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Spy from tf2 predicted amogus

paper oriole
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amarga... amogusaurus

barren zephyr
honest sparrow
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General feedback discussion devolving into random shit after every convo

paper oriole
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it is inevitable

last lily
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Plasma cannon + invisibility cloak = Magy is now the apex predator and actually worth growing. Bam. Totally fine.

barren zephyr
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That’s what usually happens yeah

paper oriole
barren zephyr
honest sparrow
barren zephyr
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Oh god

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what the hell did you do

honest sparrow
last lily
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Give Magy thermal version so it can see people in foilage, and in the dark.

honest sparrow
barren zephyr
paper oriole
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let magy spray its organs out onto attacking predators, snaring them up in its ejected intestines, where it will then release a chemical into its own bloodstream causing it to spontaniously combust, killing itself and the predator

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was somebody else's idea, but it was lost when isle discussion was snapped ;_;

barren zephyr
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why is that one of the better suggestions I have seen

paper oriole
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its genius can not be denied, it is the only viable magy concept

barren zephyr
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Obviously

paper oriole
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witcher had a pretty good sense system, it might be a bit op to implement something just like it since you can zone in and hear animals making passive noise from a decent distance in that game, but being able to listen in and zone out some ambient noise could be cool

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would be especially useful for small animals, maybe smaller dinos could pick up player sounds more clearly with a feature like this

limber hull
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i really hope that the isle, instead of just adding a hearing system, has it that different dinos have different key senses (smell, sight and hearing). For example, a cera and stego would have a great sense of smell, whereas something like a teno or a raptor would have better hearing, while Dryo and Ptera have great eyesight

paper oriole
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I hope we wouldn't get anything like different render distances for eyesight or something

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Different animals having varying ‘hone in’ abilities would be cool though

limber hull
karmic plank
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I'd like to see the smoke effect above footprints limited to certain dinos

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I hat having to stop to sniff as a herbi, would make way more sense to just nerf their range and duration for scents

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Some dinos can't sniff when below half stamina, maybe

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Even something silly like nocturnal dinos have no colour vision would be an interesting mechanic to try

paper oriole
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They should simply make it so herbis still have to stand still to smell tracks, but can smell everything else while moving

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Would be an easy solution to give herbis a little quality of life boost

karmic plank
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I'd give that the ✅

paper oriole
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I think I’ve put it in feedback a couple times without hearing of some way to exploit it

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Gonna be pretty irritating when we have to search for specific plants out of all the different plants and stopping to snort and chuff loudly every handful of minutes like some dinner bell to predators in the area

limber hull
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yea, that's an issue

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but i mean, at the same time, a bit more danger as herbi may not be the worst

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i honestly feel herbi fails to be very engaging a lot of the time

paper oriole
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Most herbis cant crouch/sneak either they dont need their navigation to give them away as well

karmic plank
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The map is a lot of the reason why herbis are so safe atm

paper oriole
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Herbis already have enough danger with how outnumbered they are on the map with a majority of them also being slower than their predators

karmic plank
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And making them so useless before FG is not enough to make it interesting

paper oriole
#

It should be the player's stupidity or the predator's cunning getting them caught not the game purposefully making certain actions more inconvenient for one faction

karmic plank
#

Actually... Maybe we could rework their scent a bit and give them permanent navigation visibility

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Tbh every Dino should get that... But that's another stoey

paper oriole
#

I had a permanent directional nav suggestion before too i think

karmic plank
#

Oh look I'm carrying a bit of meat... Looks like I can't tell which way is north anymore

paper oriole
#

Compass on the stam meter

karmic plank
#

Yup, works for me

paper oriole
#

Maybe during severe weather the compass can wobble a bit if they still want it to be harder to tell directions or something, as well as when dilo pumps you up with drugs

karmic plank
#

Oooh I like that

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Makes nighttime thunderstorms a bit more interesting

paper oriole
#

Concussions, severe weather and hallucinogenic venom can make it wobble about

karmic plank
#

Yeah concussions should mess with your compass and your gps

paper oriole
#

Worth it for having it available at all times

karmic plank
#

I like the idea of a concussion not hiding it... It just makes it wrong

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So you think you are going north but instead it's west

paper oriole
#

Just makes it wobble around

karmic plank
#

Sea of Thieves has that, personally not so much a fan (though it does work)

paper oriole
#

Can get more severe with the levels of head fracture or venom

karmic plank
#

Makes sense for thunderstorms not so much for concussion

paper oriole
#

Hmm maybe yea

karmic plank
#

Both work

limber hull
#

i cannot fucking wait for storms

paper oriole
#

Storms and venom can make it go all wobbly wonky, concussions can make it delay a lot or just be inaccurate

karmic plank
#

I can just picture sneaking through the darkness as something small and edible... Flash of lightning and you see predators all scattered around you as the night fades to black again

broken thorn
#

@weak dune your sexual dimorphism suggestion is an actually confirmed addition in future, so people who put ❌ on your post probably don't know about it either😄 💖

limber hull
#

Sexual dimorphism is confirmed, but size differences aren't

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There are no plans for size modifiers based on gender and likely never will be

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That's why the ❌ was put there

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balance should never be dictated by genders

drifting radish
#

classic case of "very aggro herbi but bc its a herby we wont make it aggressive but defensive" pensive_cowboy

drifting radish
odd sedge
#

First off, upvoting your own suggestion TI_Yikes

Second off, while it might be realistic, I'd imagine it would be terrible for balance and gameplay

tight lantern
honest sparrow
#

Idm different creatures having different accel times but 3 seconds for carno TI_Trollge

odd sedge
tight lantern
tight lantern
pulsar lake
#

I feel like Pachy should have a dash

#

tbh

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and the headbutt like the mammals they showed

#

But yeah, I feel like Pachy should be offensive oriented and not defensive as already a lot of animals are, or either count on fleeing.

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Defensive :
Trike, Cheirus, Shant, Brachi.

Offensive :
Diablo, Styraco, Theriz.

__Evasive : __
Psitta, Homalo, Oro, Hypsi, Dryo, Galli.

Defensive/Evasive :
Proto, Beipi, Minmi Ava, Tenonto, Kentro, Magy, Plateo, Anky, Stego, Para, Apato.

Offensive/Evasise :
Ovi, Pachy, Maiasaura, Pachyrhino, Camara.

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I feel the roster like this personally.

honest sparrow
#

Yeah that’s the general vibe I get too

karmic plank
pulsar lake
#

I mean, Stego tries to make you bleed if you come to close and by that it tries to escape. Like it moves, if you come too close BAM tail swipe/stab I hate scorpion Stego and try to get away.

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So, defensive/evasive fits it pretty well.

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But you're right to say that it is an evasive creature.

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But my standards for evasive creatures are animals trying to escape not by fighting but possibly some of they own gimmicks like Hypsi's spite.

elfin eagle
#

@crisp stream very cool and swag idea for quetz, i like it dude

crisp stream
paper oriole
#

Diablo doesnt have a nose horn does he

compact hare
compact hare
#

<@&401466542140817419> sorry for bothering, the channel above

paper oriole
#

will the csgo spam ever cease

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this one didnt even bother speaking english

honest sparrow
#

No

limber hull
#

the counter to lunging is caution around water tho

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i dont understand this whole thing

paper oriole
#

if there was a size range of dinos who could fight back from a lunge it could be fine maybe, but if youre a utah and you get snagged then tough luck

warm flame
#

being cautious around water won't save you when you can't even see the deino

warm flame
paper oriole
#

i hope utah gets a hp nerf at some point speaking of that, 1000 is just bloated for his size

limber hull
#

deinos are pretty obvious tbh. They still need to breathe and their ripples will sometimes reveal them

#

its pretty rare i get caught by them

warm flame
#

I got caught because I killed a baby teno and for some reason I couldn't grab it

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I was trying for like 20 seconds to grab it until the deino grabbed me

paper oriole
#

i dont think being ambushed by a deino is any less fair than a rex or something popping out of the treeline and getting you,

limber hull
#

i have to agree. I'd imagine a stealthy rex would be just as lethal

warm flame
#

and I thought I was at shallows but apparently just a few feet from shallows is water deep enough to hide an entire deino

honest sparrow
#

Yeah, it’s a neat spot for ambushing people who don’t know

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As soon as you do know tho, you just go deeper in

limber hull
#

i do think there needs to be less of these wide expanse shallows

warm flame
#

still doesn't make sense that the water dents so suddenly

#

if shallows was deeper it'd make sense, like up to a carnos ankles or deeper

limber hull
#

Eh, no. It's still stupid that deinos have an entire path that links them to another sector of the map, but it's entirely shallow

#

There are no alternative streams for this purpose

warm flame
#

I just hope the water makes more sense when the new map's done

limber hull
#

Yea

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I heard about water caves. I'm hoping there's like, a body of water disconnected from the rest of the map except through a few cave systems

warm flame
#

I think water caves would be better for traveling than the rivers

#

though if you don't know your way around you'd drown

#

probably

severe idol
#

@karmic plank
Avoid being condescending with the reactions. They're also a chore to remove.

karmic plank
pure fossil
#

You forgot what were the last words we had here about that? Look the pinned messages

honest sparrow
#

Lmao ^

#

Dude calm down

paper oriole
#

late response much too lmao

severe idol
#

Oh cool, he did it again. Great.

hoary dawn
#

icky ovi wasn't in the chat when the pin was made, its likely they didn't see it

icy lion
#

the pin icon shows a red dot notification when you miss a pin happen

severe idol
bold palm
#

what omnivores are they planning?

paper oriole
#

why do some people want allo in right now so bad

#

beipi, cheirus, ovi, galli

bold palm
#

ah

honest sparrow
bold palm
#

then change my request, sucho, pachy, galli update 4

#

be tight to get 3 per update

paper oriole
#

i wish we could get fruitbat tupa TI_Succ

vale pawn
#

fruit tupa my beloved

paper oriole
#

also wouldnt mind either diablo or ava being pushed over to the omnivore niche like a warthog

bold palm
#

12 foot tall apes

bold palm
icy lion
#

no

bold palm
#

yes

paper oriole
#

if they added a monke to the isle i will eat the stump part of a lettuce

bold palm
#

it's not a monkey

#

extinct

honest sparrow
paper oriole
#

deadass TI_Trollge

honest sparrow
#

Aight bro if they add monke ai imma ping you

paper oriole
#

oh god devs please dont add the monke

bold palm
#

it's a huge bad ass orangutan generalized i guess into "ape" more or less.

#

but huge, skull crushing teeth

icy lion
#

thats all it is

bold palm
#

you don't think that would be bad ass?

icy lion
#

just teeth

#

no

bold palm
#

could climb trees

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cliffs

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jump on things

honest sparrow
#

Na

icy lion
#

like a herrera

paper oriole
#

sounds like a tribal's job

barren zephyr
#

Bigfoot in the isle

bold palm
#

would be a decent threat

icy lion
#

or a tribal yea

honest sparrow
#

Tribal moment

barren zephyr
#

Tribal

paper oriole
#

the tribals are like 8 feet tall anyway maybe bigger

barren zephyr
#

I think 9 feet tall

#

Idk

bold palm
#

why not 20

icy lion
#

what

barren zephyr
#

what

paper oriole
bold palm
#

make them fly too

honest sparrow
#

What

barren zephyr
#

quetzalcoatlus

bold palm
#

cuz they are fairy tail

icy lion
#

ah youre trolling

paper oriole
#

uh yeah

icy lion
#

bye

barren zephyr
#

thanks….

paper oriole
#

so are the dinosaurs in this game

#

jurassic park raptor and armadillo anky didnt exist irl

barren zephyr
#

A small amount of tomfoolery troll_husk

bold palm
#

nope just pointing out your logic is way off, you think something that did exist which would be badass in the game is a "no" but some tribal fairly land shit is good. k.

icy lion
paper oriole
#

the mutated humans are no more of a stretch than the mutated dinosaurs

barren zephyr
bold palm
#

👍

paper oriole
barren zephyr
#

It would get ripped apart by pretty much everything too

bold palm
honest sparrow
paper oriole
#

the game is based on fictional mutant reptilian monsters

bold palm
#

what are you talkin bout

paper oriole
#

and mutated humans, probably a side effect from AE's wacky genetic experiments

honest sparrow
#

How big is big ape again

barren zephyr
#

Dondi didn’t want any mammals besides humans for a reason

bold palm
#

so all these dinosaurs are mutants?

barren zephyr
#

yeah

bold palm
#

interesting

#

no realism whatsoever

#

stretch but ok

paper oriole
#

and?

severe idol
#

When working with a consistent theme and tone, it's hard to add random "But this would be COOL" to the environment without breaking it entirely.

You may be better off playing something like Second Life or Roblox where vast amounts of custom content can be added on a whim.

barren zephyr
#

genetically modified animals that have no relations to their real life counterparts

icy lion
#

afaik

honest sparrow
icy lion
#

so cool

barren zephyr
#

WOW! Teeth! This will be viable!

#

a monkey!

icy lion
#

me @ troodon

paper oriole
#

we should add koalas to the isle because they are cute and absolutely no other reason

#

same logic

barren zephyr
#

he’s gone.

#

alright.

honest sparrow
#

We should add diproptodon

#

And it should be able to kill things with its ass like a wombat

barren zephyr
#

yeah it would not get bodied at allwholesome

honest sparrow
#

And if you run into it you fucking die because it’s so dense

barren zephyr
#

while we’re at it I think Godzilla will be a good playable

icy lion
#

are we not gonna talk about the idea to add sucho and allo to u4

#

because i do

#

like bruh

barren zephyr
#

Oh that

#

yeah

#

That was a suggestion I guess

paper oriole
#

allo would come in like a fox in a henhouse with the current build

icy lion
#

it sure was

#

oh man i cant imagine

barren zephyr
#

Allo would probably destroy everything as of now, even deino

honest sparrow
#

Allo destroying the ecosystem for the 3rd goddam time

icy lion
#

and the extra update time as well

paper oriole
#

allopocalypse

barren zephyr
#

Don’t remind me of the legacy Allo.troll_husk

icy lion
#

and who knows how big sucho would be

barren zephyr
#

5 ton sucho possibly

#

meaning it can likely stand a good chance of the likes of apexes

icy lion
#

which would be even worse in evrima rn

barren zephyr
#

Deino would just be sucho food

paper oriole
#

sucho probably wont be near fast enough to reliably catch any of the current roster aside from stego and deino so he would be less damaging than allo at least but both would be pretty busted

barren zephyr
#

Sucho could always ambush in the water too

#

it will probably be slow though

#

even in the water

honest sparrow
#

Sucho also has the issue of either getting completely clapped by deino or having a good matchup against everything

paper oriole
#

sucho would end like stego or be op as fuck

#

stego came too soon and we see how that turned out

barren zephyr
#

Stego is just a walking pile of food

paper oriole
#

pretty much

honest sparrow
#

I love stego but like it came way too early and payed the price

bold palm
#

just attack it's face

paper oriole
#

they should worked on kentro before steg

barren zephyr
#

deino and stego came out way too early

honest sparrow
#

Deino took like 4 years so I get the urge to release it but

paper oriole
#

pretty odd decision to add them so soon balanc ewise

#

now one is busted and the other is fodder

barren zephyr
#

Deino was hyped so I can see that

#

Big alligator!!1!1

honest sparrow
#

I get being hype but that shouldn’t affect release date

barren zephyr
#

Might as well add rex and spino in update 4 at this point

haughty cove
#

100% agree with @queen mortar and also feel like i'm losing my mind

karmic plank
#

I honestly thought all this talk of foxes was a joke...

haughty cove
#

"we're gonna have foxes in our dinosaur game!"
"care to elaborate?"
"teehee no"

iron plover
paper oriole
#

remember the modded wolf rp servers TI_Yikes

haughty cove
paper oriole
#

wolves that oneshot apexes and ran at the speed of sound

queen mortar
karmic plank
haughty cove
#

KEEP IN MIND it's filipe who said it.. he also said we might be getting shit and piss

#

so i hope these are just things in discussion

queen mortar
#

believe me night i know

haughty cove
#

like... very very light discussion

karmic plank
#

Well toiletry makes sense, but foxes? Idk man... so many other terrestrial animals would make way more sense

queen mortar
#

@karmic plank i'm sorry for snapping earlier but can you please understand my frustration and the mental gymnastics i was going against in the discussion channel

#

like, I DON'T HATE FOXES, but like, MAKE IT LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE

haughty cove
#

SAME

#

my profile picture does not = my support for this news

karmic plank
paper oriole
#

i see 0 purpose for foxes when velo is like the same size and can do the same shit + more

haughty cove
queen mortar
karmic plank
#

Lets be honest velo has the exact same niche as a fox anyway

#

or maybe a cat

iron plover
queen mortar
#

YEP

haughty cove
#

YEP

paper oriole
#

also what noises would the foxes make, doesn't dryo already make fox sounds lol it would overlap

queen mortar
#

i'm talking to mowser in vc about that exact point @karmic plank

karmic plank
paper oriole
queen mortar
haughty cove
#

ooh oh oh

#

there

karmic plank
#

Why not goats TI_Think

haughty cove
#

the goats are !
rogues!

#

rawwwrrrr

honest sparrow
#

Give foxes the cheetah sounds(they sound like birds)

#

For no reason other than why not

karmic plank
#

they sound like demented, possessed toddlers

paper oriole
#

so twisted. a dinosaur gets fox sounds and then the fox gets cat sounds

haughty cove
#

also even if they don't make foxes playable.. you KNOW mods will make them playable

and what then? "play on community servers if you want the dinos we don't want to balance. but you'll also have to deal with the foxes we added and let modders get their hands on"

paper oriole
#

probably wouldnt need mods, only injections

queen mortar
honest sparrow
#

Yeah it’s not impossible foxes would be injections

haughty cove
#

dear god you're right

paper oriole
#

imagine servers that let you pay to play a fox TI_Trollge

karmic plank
#

First one to drop the F-bomb gets a timeout

haughty cove
#

yes my friend just brought that up too

#

monetization

paper oriole
#

then there would be all the cringe carebear players protecting their fox friends like in legacy where people protected tacos and austros

haughty cove
#

"NO YOU KILLED MY AI, DIE SCUM"

karmic plank
#

Hey protecting tacos is a time-honoured tradition

#

it was like CS:GO in TI

paper oriole
#

i mean i admit i've protected taco players but as an herbi ya know

haughty cove
#

i wish we got more information because wtf does this mean? why? can you tell us why?

queen mortar
#

it's just going to be fodder

honest sparrow
haughty cove
#

if they can't tell us why because NDAs... plz stop telling us info that is then going to be blocked by an NDA

queen mortar
#

there's no big question mark about it, it's just fodder

haughty cove
#

ah no, but then they'll try to tell us we don't know what we're talking about because we only know a tiny amount of it

#

"it's not just fodder, you don't know what you're talking about"

#

that has been said too many times

queen mortar
#

yeah sure

#

i say to that

feral solstice
#

Foxs have great hearing (have been recorded to hear a watch ticking 40 yards away), are silent, small, fast..

#

Yeah

#

Definitely fodder

queen mortar
#

uh oh, they're here

haughty cove
#

yeah, fodder in a damn dinosaur world

queen mortar
#

the foxapologists

feral solstice
#

Please get your facts straight before calling something fodder. That’s what I’d call flawed logic and irrationality kek

queen mortar
#

we're not talking about real life rick 😦

#

i know foxes aren't fodder irl

feral solstice
#

Doesn’t matter

haughty cove
#

we're talking about putting a fox in a world with raptors

severe idol
#

Something flagged as "AI Only" is most definitely fodder for the game. Almost by definition.

queen mortar
iron plover
#

YES SAOUL

feral solstice
#

If going by that definition

severe idol
#

That's sort of the point of AI.

honest sparrow
feral solstice
#

Every ai is technically fodder

barren zephyr
#

If he’s hungry

feral solstice
#

But

severe idol
#

Correct.

#

AI are fodder for players.

icy lion
#

thats the point lol

feral solstice
#

A fox would probably have the highest survival rate of most of the ai mainly due to their recorded behavior

icy lion
#

especially for ambient ai

feral solstice
#

Though this is hypothetical in a dinosaur world

icy lion
#

like... its literally called ambient ai

queen mortar
#

i would argue that non-ambient AI are less so fodder, but ambient definitely is

feral solstice
barren zephyr
#

Good

severe idol
#

Recorded behavior is great, but that doesn't mean it's translated to the game. Foxes could fucking fly and tackle things at mach 4, it doesn't mean they'll be any less fodder AI in a video game they get put into.

Don't get bent out of shape because your loved foxes aren't impervious to dinosaurs. It's a game.

haughty cove
#

^

iron plover
#

^^

paper oriole
#

If foxes got added i would inconvenience myself to kill them on sight

severe idol
#

As for the fox thing in general... given how ambient AI tends to work, I don't think it'll take much development time to toss a fox in the world. It's just a model and skin shift from other ambient AIs. The game's not being slowed hardly any with them being made.

paper oriole
#

Foxes just seem kinda useless when we have velo

queen mortar
#

yeah TI_pue i know it isn't that dire

feral solstice
#

I’m not bent out of shape over a fox. I’m arguing that a fox would probably have the highest survival rate of any AI, and be way less fodder than the others. That was my entire point, as I don’t think he was going the definition of every ai being fodder, as putting it into perspective for gameplay to make them not useless, using recorded behavior for the Behavior ingame.

severe idol
#

I agree, they're made useless by the other ambient AI - doesn't mean they shouldn't be added, though.

iron plover
#

to me foxes just dont seem to fit in anywhere in the game

queen mortar
#

a grey fox wouldn't NOT fit

haughty cove
#

at this point it feels like they're just adding things to add things, what purpose would a fox have? what would it add to the game?

severe idol
#

Something to eat and something different to hunt, really.

queen mortar
#

yeah

severe idol
#

Like I said, think of ambient AI as just a collection of models and skins that all use the same 'brain' to move around.

paper oriole
#

Even cats would make more sense than foxes because humans introduce them invasively to so many places, cats wouldnt look good in the game either

severe idol
#

Same reason boars and whatever else get added. To add something different. They're just pretty skins you stretch over a hitbox that feeds a player. It doesn't matter.

feral solstice
#

Foxs

#

Not humans

#

Brain fart

icy lion
#

nothing worth getting worked up over

queen mortar
#

i agree zod, i'm ultimately not gonna care, but it's hard not to look at the bigger picture for me and go, what the hell are we doing TE_NotLikeThis

feral solstice
#

Yeah I’m not worked up. I’m just trying to explain how a fox would be way less fodder-y. My bad for coming more aggressively, I apologize.

severe idol
#

Boars are actually a really neat addition that works, they're constantly found on seemingly otherwise abandoned islands. Boars are just everywhere. I'm convinced they're like dwarves and just spring up out of holes.

icy lion
queen mortar
#

i like the boars and goats 100%

#

it makes sense

#

foxes to me are so out of place in this context

feral solstice
#

I’m curious as to if boars will be the supposed wildlife that poses a danger to the player

icy lion
#

im wondering how big theyll be

queen mortar
#

but again i accept that it won't affect how i play the game which is more important

iron plover
#

plus boars would give mercs something to eat besides canned food from buildings

icy lion
#

hogs can get massive

severe idol
#

Hard doubt. Even wild hogs (aside from hogzilla) probably don't get remotely big enough to threaten anything over sub-adult in size. Maybe littler things will need to be careful.

queen mortar
#

yeah, esp feral hogs

feral solstice
#

I mean the most sense I can make of a fox in TI would be mainly mountainous foxes

queen mortar
#

yeah island pigs don't typically get that big

feral solstice
#

That’s about it

icy lion
#

well on a dinosaur island no not much will be harmed

severe idol
#

Feral Hogs get real big, but it's easy to forget the sheer number of stuff in this game that TOWER over humans by a significant margin.

icy lion
#

but imo ambient ai tailors more towards the juvie experience

honest sparrow
#

Feral hogs are an actual serious problem in some areas

severe idol
#

Scope and scale are easy to forget when you only see the giant creatures.

icy lion
#

all of which are small enough to get slaughtered by a hog

feral solstice
#

Giant forest hogs are a boar I could see being a danger to younger dinosaurs

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haughty cove
#

the only reason i can see to add ambient creatures that aren't dinosaurs is to create the atmosphere and tell that the dinosaurs didn't own the island first, and modern day animals came before them
otherwise, why not just make the snacks... other dinosaurs? if they're just going to be fodder it's not going to be a "hunt" when trying to eat them as much as w/ the AI dinos, so the variety aspect still doesn't click with me
just different visuals to make players think they're getting variety?

severe idol
#

I think there's a big confusion in the community that this isn't a prehistoric game and isn't set as one. The ambient creatures will help that, I believe.

iron plover
#

yeah

hot glade
#

After playing as a stegosaurus, a week later I re-logged back in the isle official NA 3 and it was gone what's going on?

haughty cove
#

a wipe

honest sparrow
hot glade
#

Okay makes sense

limber hull
#

as much as i agree that fox AI doesn't fit, I'm still not a fan of dino AI

#

boar and goats are sick tho

karmic plank
#

I mean JP says we need goats

#

tasty, tasty goats

#

goats for the plains, boars for forests, fish for rivers... makes sense to me

paper oriole
#

Why is it a problem that AI doesnt spawn next to hungry players anymore?

paper geyser
#

@cloud viper asking for cooldown to be lowered is a great way to make sure it doesn't

cloud viper
#

Yes

paper oriole
#

Reverse psychology, isle discussion cd is raised to a minute

solar peak
#

@barren zephyr but why? imo it's better to just start working on it after pachy, and when it's done they can work on another dino

barren zephyr
# solar peak <@456226577798135808> but why? imo it's better to just start working on it after...

I get that. But me personally would rather work on another creature that we can just put into the game once it’s done to keep people happy with maybe 1-2 creatures on the sidelines being implemented that aren’t related to a specific update so that we don’t have to just wait till troodon is done only to not have it released until update 6 and then work on another creature we have to wait for

solar peak
barren zephyr
limber hull
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I'm really excited for Troodon, so I hope it doesn't get pushed back

barren zephyr
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It’s not gonna get pushed back. It’s just not till update 6 so I don’t see why they should work on it rn if they won’t release it when it’s done when they can just do that for cerato or Gali

solar peak
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but why possibly delay whole update for one creature

barren zephyr
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Wdym? They can’t release troodon anyways without update 6 so why work on it when they can just work on cerato that can be released just whenever it’s done

solar peak
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cuz if they have troodon faster they will be able to give us update faster, if they will start working on cera and then it consumes too much time update would have to be delayed or they will have a useless half done dino that needs to wait to be added, and have 0 work done on troodon that is slated to come with certain update

barren zephyr
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Obviously they should work on troodon when it’s update 6 time cause it is in it but cerato being worked on now won’t delay it cause we don’t have a creature that is required for update 5 that needs to be worked on so it won’t delay anything

solar peak
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that depends how fast they can make it

barren zephyr
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Well they made carno, hypsi and stego in two months so I think they can made cerato in a good time

limber hull
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Troodon will likely be easy to implement, since they'll have all of it's core mechanics (besides voice mimicry) already in

solar peak
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hypsi has no growth stages, stego already had most of mechanics cuz it was intended to be AI, and ye carno

barren zephyr
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Technically stego had more work put on it. It was never finished for ai though

limber hull
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all of the herbis outside of teno feel unfinished imho

barren zephyr
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I think stego is pretty finished. It just needs some tweaking in stuff but hypsi and dryo definitely do need more stuff to them

limber hull
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i have more fun with the slower, burrowing legacy dryo than the no risk Gallimimus clone of EVRIMA dryo

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i like the feeling of risk, but having somewhere safe to retreat, rather than no feeling of risk because you can outrun literally any predator

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Gallimimus was boring to me for this reason, and EVRIMA Dryo is just a recreation of this

solar peak
barren zephyr
solar peak
barren zephyr
solar peak
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stego was supposed to be AI at first, the only reason it's playable is cuz there were some problems with it

compact hare
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Idk I would like to see the planned creatures (in this situation, Toodon) already done
I know it'll take some time untill they develop the troodon abilities but why not already animate it ?

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To me is... whatever

pulsar lake
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Other animals than the one on the roadmap would be useful for the roster

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But they need to be packed by 2 for each ones

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Example : Rex/Trike, Allo/Maia, Styraco/Alberto, Theriz/Acro, Sucho Para and such.

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So you balance aground similar sized animals and not balance them toward the smaller ones, which won't have an advantage on them.

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Look at the problem that are Stego and Deino alone without any competitor or real threats in 1v1.
Result : they are frankly underpowered.

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However, some animals may be too powerful or overturned like Utahraptor.

limber hull
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deino is underpowered and utah is OP?

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i dont think that's the case lmao

solar peak
sacred moat
pulsar lake
# limber hull deino is underpowered and utah is OP?

Tbh Utah has hp, quick stamina recovery, good speed, decent Stam and quite of a powerful ability.

Tbh, I'd nerf Deino on alt bite as well but also its stamina on land, so it runs like what, 10 seconds ?
Standing stamina being fucked so it needs to rest to recover it correctly. But I'd greatly buff its hp.

pulsar lake
limber hull
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i feel like most dinos in this game are powerful tho. Even with the Utah's weirdly high HP, it is still easy to demolish by half the roster

solar peak
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they just shouldn't add stego in the first place, and adding pseudo apex would only make things worse

pulsar lake
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It should be demolished by mid tiers if they try to attack it.

pulsar lake
solar peak
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it wouldn't tho

pulsar lake
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Stego would be buffed, as it shouldn't be a possible prey item to current carnivores in the roster.

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And be balanced around its fight against a similar sized openent, which is not really possible to take down as current carnivores but this guy isn't done to hunt them efficiently.

solar peak
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why should we add more problems to solve one we have

limber hull
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Stego is just really underwhelming. There's nothing that really challenges you once fullgrown and honestly, the combat feels stale when compared to other dinos in EVRIMA. If there were a higher tier animal like allo, rex or giga, I could understand, but the deino/stego matchup is really only one that happens if one side decides they want to be stupid.

pulsar lake
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Because fuck small only roster.

You won't balance the game like that.

solar peak
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actually, you will, the mistake was adding deino and stego early on

limber hull
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Maybe a swarm of troodons could cause significant discomfort to a steg, but atm it's a massive, somewhat suicidal pack of utahs or a massive somewhat suicidal deino as your two predators, and both of them are running a risk by fighting steg

pulsar lake
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Have things like Herrera/Dryo, Utah/Pachy, Carno/Tenonto, Allo/Styraco, Stego/Acro, Rex/Trike.

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You'll have a better balance than what we may end up.

limber hull
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i have to agree that steg was added too early

pulsar lake
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Even a swarm

cyan flame
limber hull
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it simply doesn't fit to have a 2.5 ton animal as the largest land animal then hit you with a fuckin' 6 ton animal

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There's nothing filling that massive margin seperating deino/stego from carno/teno

pulsar lake
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There is a gigantic gape between the 3 and 5 tons roster.

Not my fault if 50% are smalls.

cyan flame
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And yes, adding stego was a mistake, it should be added with the other large animals, and balanced with them, because there's no reason to only have anky as the "rear defender" when we have stego and have "modified" critters already, such as spino and utah for that matter.

limber hull
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and looking at the current planned roster, there's simply going to be more and more small animals, not solving that 3.5 ton gap

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Not necessarily a bad thing that small animals are taking priority

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But stego is seriously out of place in this environment

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I think stego is a cool idea, but with a more complete roster with larger, scarier baddies that don't spend all their time sitting in a river. Otherwise you have a power vacuum and a weirdly designed roster

pulsar lake
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I wished we had less smalls like not less than 50kg

swift atlas
feral solstice
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Wdym the ones from legacy?

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Like quality wise?

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Or just the dinos themselves

pulsar lake
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I mean, you can do the same as them but larger, and even axe some like Taco, Oro, Ava, Velo, Compy and such.

meager tiger
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Add a jeep so you can chase it as a trex

static niche
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i dont even think the Matriarch are even an official thing for the isle ? atleast from what ive seen. just inspired.

swift dew
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and he hasn't said much about them

static niche
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ah, okay. because i was looking at tapwings da & it said it was purely fanmade and not related to development.

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that was also back in 2019

honest sparrow
static niche
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understandable

barren zephyr
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hello someone help me fix the bug of the controls bone I can not use to attack or eat etc}

paper oriole
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is that alberto suggestion serious

swift dew
karmic plank
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Stego (or a big awkward herbivore) wasn't a mistake imo, they needed something that deinos couldn't grab, and they needed dienos to start working through the whole "drinking is scary" meta.

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I assume stego will get a buff once we get more heavy land carnivores

swift dew
karmic plank
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I disagree there too, sorry. Having drinking as another stressor is important to balance out the zero food stress that herbivores have, and to make the game more of a survival horror

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Needing water and wondering whether you risk drinking here where it's not safe... Or traveling a bit where it's safer but you might get found by predators

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Plus you need water threat for wallowing

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The current map and meta would be hamstrung if rivers were 100% safe all the time

swift dew
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well they aren't safe whether deino exists or not. going to drink water makes you vulnerable from attacks from land carnivores too. as it puts you in a more open position

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and deino is far too strong for the current roster

karmic plank
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Most of the waterways are wooded with more cover, not less. Otherwise sure, that was the idea in legacy, carnivores were supposed to camp water holes, but it never really worked that well (and Evrima has at least 100x more water area).

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People just need to stop suiciding to land crocs and accept that a FG dieno isn't an easy source of food... They aren't a threat to you unless you let them be.

teal parrot
# karmic plank I disagree there too, sorry. Having drinking as another stressor is important to...

Here’s the important thing: it doesn’t matter if any species have stressors to balance out the hardship of life. All that matters is realism.
Realism itself supplies ample stressors. Going to the water to drink is a great example of a realism driven stressor.
But for a Deino, having to crawl up on land in order to drink is not realistic and an unnecessary attempt to artificially manufacture stress and balance. A good realistic stressor which would add tons more dynamic fun to the game would be temperature regulation for deinos. Water hydration should not even be a factor for them, as they live submerged in water, and should only become a factor if they decide to venture away from the water.
Thermal management would require deinos to periodically crawl out of the water to briefly sun themselves… thus furnishing realistic, dynamic stressors to balance the gameplay experience. The same applies for virtually every species. Like Ptera. Drinking water should never be an issue for a fishing flyer. I’m sure some other kind of stressor could easily furnish the necessary balancing risk for pteras.

karmic plank
# teal parrot Here’s the important thing: it doesn’t matter if any species have stressors to b...

Deinos naturally get hydration when in water, there is a bug where if you spend long periods out on land it can prevent it from auto refilling (or make it super slow). There is no for them to climb out normally.
As for thermal... While current day crocs and alligators do like to sunbathe to raise core temperature, they don't have to for survival (some even hibernate in frozen streams), especially on a tropical island like The Spire; Like most reptiles though they do function better when warmer and so prefer to be when possible.
From this point of view sure, there could be a mechanic that buffs or debuffs dienos based on how warm they are, but then it would really need to be applied to every Dino and I worry it would add complexity and frustration for limited value (except maybe as an anti-afk mechanic).

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i didnt get to clip it but i was 400 something Kg [Deinosuchas] -full hp- and got 1 shotted by a carno?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? how does that work?!?!?!? utah weighs friggin 500kg and its 3 bites to kill em as a carno
[1:08 AM]
but i get 1 shotted with full health at 400kg

swift dew
paper oriole
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Utah has double the hp as his weight, deino and stego have less hp than their weight

ember egret
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?

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u guys admins or something, like no offence but got proof?

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kinda wanna see lol

paper oriole
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Damage calculations from attacks on deino/stego prove it

swift dew
ember egret
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yep

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ok

paper oriole
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monitor lizards dont really sport crests like that

urban flax
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Why do people want so much megalania to be just a boring big komodo ? It's design is already pretty cool

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If they want boring big versions of modern animals, they already have deino

paper oriole
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its jaw gape is kinda weird but yeah its design for the most part is already solid

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it seems a little out of place on a varanid

urban flax
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You dislike extraordinary muscle mass fit for the strongest of brawlers ?

paper oriole
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megalania probably did have a big chonkers neck, these enlarged vertebra + muscles for thrashing and bashing prey

megalania_prisca_03_by_lizardman22-d9wdizb.png
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bit more robust neck than a modern komodo

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sonic mural
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TI_Perfect^

paper oriole
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where? the tiny nub on its head?

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in a side profile the nub doesnt even raise above their brows

urban flax
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The "little nub" is not a crest, it's a bone almost every carnivore has. It's a support for the muscle that serves them for biting.

paper oriole
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such amazing crests on these perenties

R.png
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Bruh a ptera aint skewering a dryo and carrying it

sonic mural
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Lmao

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Ptera is already balanced as it is imo and doesn’t really need anything else it’s basically just made for exploration and fishing while sometimes killin a hypsi or something

paper oriole
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Even a hypsi is too much

vale pawn
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have the ptera skew another ptera TI_Troll

sonic mural
vale pawn
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the epic snipe

paper oriole
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Killing a hypsi is fine but ptera aint carrying that shit lmao. Skilled pteras rn can already hunt larger animals too it doesnt need more PvP capabilities when its supposed to fish and eat carcasses

sonic mural
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👆

vale pawn
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im down to have my day go as pterano go as usual then suddenly get stabbed TI_Troll

urban flax
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Wait what did I just read
"Knock over a sub-adult Carno"
As a ptera
To make it more viable ?

hasty dagger
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The last thing ptera needs is more aerial pvp capability

sonic mural
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Lol

vale pawn
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add quetz and have it be the one skewering pteras TI_Troll

urban flax
vale pawn
urban flax
hasty dagger
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Quetz shouldn’t be able to attack in the air at all

sonic mural
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I think Ptera fine as is

urban flax
karmic plank
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Ptera needs no buffs

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Except maybe the ground effect that I asked for

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And some improved flight controls

vale pawn
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i wanna dive faster as pterano

hasty dagger
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I’d like to see it be able to dive for fish eventually

karmic plank
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Coming from a "real" flight Sim world to the isle is a little underwhelming sometimes

sonic mural
urban flax
sonic mural
urban flax
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I don't get why deinos want to kill pteras so much ^^'

hasty dagger
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I don’t see em’ being an issue, from the concepts it looks like they want to move Ptera to the coasts

sonic mural
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Ig it’s fun

karmic plank
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They can be pretty obnoxious

urban flax
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Oh that's true

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I remember harassing an adult deino for 20 minutes one time

karmic plank
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Haha yup, that bored ptera life

sonic mural
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It is annoying asf tho when they mix pack with everything and try to give away ur location by 1 calling near u

karmic plank
urban flax
vale pawn
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then what will quetz fear

karmic plank
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!!!!!! Let hypsi venom knock ptera out of the sky

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AAA Hypsi

urban flax
# vale pawn then what will quetz fear

Quetz won't be following people and 1-calling, since I guess it will have worse flying capabilities than ptera (shorter flights and less agile, although faster)

sonic mural
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Pteras definitely gonna be way faster than them in the sky but quetz will hopefully scare them away so problem solved

urban flax
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Also one could make quetz into a cannibal

karmic plank
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Unless Quetz can either grab and carry or dive and stun I don't think they will be very viable atm

urban flax
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I can see quetz doing a shitton of damage with its main attack

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It has a 3-meter long spear in place of its head

karmic plank
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I mean, you could make them like a glass stego in reverse

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Slow and lumbering but with a superman punch

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Seems abusable

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Too many big dinos would be vulnerable to quetz, carnos and stegos have got no answer

honest sparrow
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Carnos can just rush the quetz?

karmic plank
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When they are on the ground, sure, but what about when they are in the air?

honest sparrow
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Just run into cover, or don’t give quetz the ability to attack ground targets in the air

karmic plank
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Quetz will probably have a tiny health pool, so most things should be able to kill them quickly if they can get positioning

karmic plank
hasty dagger
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Can I post a quetz wall and y’all can tear it apart

karmic plank
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Please do

hasty dagger
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Quetz

It shouldn’t be able to effectively attack or be maneuverable in the air to prevent it becoming an un-killable troll harassing creatures it shouldn’t be messing with, the exception to this aerial attack limit being a grab allowing for anything under half of Quetz’s weight to be picked up and killed.

Quetz would be hunting mainly smalls and occasionally pseudo mid creatures, using it’s superior night vision and nearly silent flight, it can fly up high and view prey that can’t see it. From there it can use a zoom-in ability to plan out an ambush based on it’s surroundings and land to run out and spear prey using quick attacks or charging up more powerful attacks at the cost of stamina and reduced attack speed

Quetz, being an Azhdarchid would be extremely fast and efficient in the air, more so than Ptera, which allows it to escape flocks of the more agile, combat capable fliers easily, at the cost of aerial agility and precision.

On land, Quetz thrives, being speedy and mobile, able to weave and chase through otherwise cramped spaces, but still preferring clearings or fields with sparse foliage to ambush and have enough stamina to use charge attacks or take off if needed.

Ability/Attack Controls:

LMB (while flying): Pick Up

RMB *+Alt (while flying): Drop *Swallow if Possible

LMB *+Alt (landed): Peck *Omnidirectional Quick Peck, More Damage + Bleed, Costs Stamina

Hold LMB (landed): Charged Peck, Held Down As Long As Needed, Can Turn/Move while Charging

Alt + LMB (flying): Zoom, works as if using a pair of binoculars

General Stats:

Growth: 3.5-4 Hours

Air Speed: Anything Faster than Ptera

Land Speed: 38-42kmh

Stamina (Sprinting): 80 seconds

Stamina (Fast Flying): 40 seconds

Weight: 250-300kg (Being Generous with the 300)

Health: 1250-1500 (?)

Damage: 650-900 (900 being the max damage for a fully charged peck, all damage is subject to locational multipliers)

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(Still unsure of the mid-air pickup)

karmic plank
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Too much HP unless they have a stego- like manoeuverability

urban flax
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Also not a fan of the way you distributed the attacks and the charged peck

karmic plank
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I think having HP equal to weight would be fine for quetz, they have so much control over engagements they don't need a big pool

urban flax
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For the air speed, I'd say around 70 km/h in cruise speed and maybe 110 or 120 when boosting

urban flax
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No, quetz deserves at least as much hp as a Utah

honest sparrow
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And also a 1/4 of utahs jp, which it is 1/2 the weight of

urban flax
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Azhdarchids were tough

hasty dagger
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I gave it the HP to not have it get 1 shot by stuff like Utah with pin

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I’m pretty sure a full pounce kills another Utah

honest sparrow
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It does

karmic plank
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Quetz shouldn't get pinned by Utah, even though they are lightweight

hasty dagger
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So i gave it bit more health than Utah has

honest sparrow
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It should

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500 kg animal sitting on top of 250 kg flyer means flyer is boned

karmic plank
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Aren't quetz like 2x as tall with a wide quadraped- like stance? I feel like they could stay standing when pounced

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Their wings have a lot of strength

hasty dagger
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I guess it’s fair given the big attack damage I gave it, hopefully Utah will get a health nerf eventually

honest sparrow
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If a 7 foot guy got tackled by a sumo wrestler, would the guy be able to stand up

karmic plank
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Yeah but biped vs quadrapeds... I get your point, though

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You are probably right

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So Chip in your mind quetz are lightweight brawlers who can fly long distances and be able to defend their kills against single attackers?

honest sparrow
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I believe the idea is quetz is a glass cannon that is able to cross long distances at high speeds

hasty dagger
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Yes, good for ambushes and big damage but not too tanky, just enough to go up against smalls

karmic plank
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They would probably be very vulnerable to fractures

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So pachy etc would be a threat

hasty dagger
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Oh yeah, wing fracture would be deadly for it, especially if it disables flight

honest sparrow
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If a pachy manages to not get skewered yeah

karmic plank
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In my head I kind of imagined them like big current-day raptors - make kills and carry them somewhere safe to eat

hasty dagger
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That’s where the pick up comes in

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Although I’ve received criticism for it so it’s more of an optional thing it can do

honest sparrow
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Ideally anything carno sized or larger would make a quetz’s best course of action to gtfo

hasty dagger
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^definitely not a fighter you want to punch up with

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Stay in your weight class as quetz

karmic plank
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I'd like to see them as a bigger version of ptera - capable of brawling when they have the advantage (I've killed utahs 1v1 on the ground with ptera) but more likely to fly away from most fights

honest sparrow
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I’d say due to its glass cannon nature it might be able to punk some of the smaller pseudo mids but yeah

karmic plank
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As long as they turn slowly and don't have a dienos alt-bitr they would be fairly vulnerable on the ground, regardless of peck damage

honest sparrow
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Quetz is supposed to be good on the ground for a pterosaur

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And Ptera is already not too bad at being on the ground

hasty dagger
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They were avid land hunters in reality yeah

karmic plank
hasty dagger
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Flight was like I said, good for scouting/planning and escape

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Inferred, though it makes sense

karmic plank
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Hmm... I think if it was me I'd give them a right-click grab so the ptera/quetz ability mapping was similar, and leave left click and alt-left as varying peck attacks which don't grab, so they aren't as vulnerable to being bumrushed by dryos or something

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Maybe peck could impale stuff and you could right-click to grab or just shake your head a bit to dislodge, kinda like stego thagos

hasty dagger
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That would be nice, simplifying everything for both playables is important, I’m not particularly good at control schemes lol

karmic plank
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I'm still pretty attached to picking up and then dropping prey as a core hunting mexhanic

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But I might be in the minority there

hasty dagger
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live player grabbing has always been controversial

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Traumatized from Ark, BoB and the like

karmic plank
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True. If it worked like dienos grabs where struggling cost the quetz stamina, you wouldn't be able to carry them long at all - especially flying

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But unlike dieno lunges you could use it anywhere just about

hasty dagger
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Stam drain would be a nice counter to it considering that’s a fliers greatest tool

karmic plank
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It's pretty clear that you out a lot of effort into it though, and it would be neat

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I'd also love to see some charge up abilities like you talked about on something

hasty dagger
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Thanks!

urban flax
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With such a beak, quetz doesn't need to be able to grab living things tho
It'd oneshot most things in its prey range

karmic plank
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True, I'm only attached to that idea from a "it'd be cool" rather than an uh... Scientific standpoint

honest sparrow
urban flax
honest sparrow
urban flax
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Or spear it while flying ? I don't see why you couldn't

honest sparrow
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I personally don’t like the idea of quetz being able to spear while flying because of the problems every flyer in every game has with mid air attacking, including isle Ptera, but on a larger and probably more dangerous scale with quetz

karmic plank
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Assuming you could just spear something, you'd have no way to get it off your beak except rubbing it against a tree or something... and their beaks are conical without barbs, so nothing would hold it on anyway

urban flax
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Ptera does it without problem

karmic plank
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ptera grabs rather than spears

urban flax
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When it kills a hypsi with a peck

karmic plank
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oh? I've done that and it didn't spear it on my beaj

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it just died and stayed on the ground

urban flax
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Huh
Maybe it doesn't works with hypsis then, but when you kill something tiny as a ptera, you automatically grab it
Even though you didn't actually bite

limber hull
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id imagine cerato would be the prime contest to the carno

warm flame
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I put sucho there because sucho can also compete with deinos

limber hull
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I mean, maybe baby deinos?