general-feedback-discussion

[upper summit]

who cares it looks cool

🤓

[karmic plank]

True, but it seems low priority compared to all the others haha

I guess they could reuse a lot of the assets and get it out quicker, and I do like the idea of a heavier and slower, but more powerful raptor

[upper summit]

was it really a raptor?

[icy lion]

no

megaraptors are not dromaeosaurs

[paper oriole]

bumping your own suggestion

[fluid venture]

many people do that

[vale pawn]

new (something) your own suggestion just dropped

[barren zephyr]

spam

[upper summit]

cawckiest king has a good suggestion

imagine X'ing it

BRUH

PTERANODONS AREN'T BIRDS

Y U CALL EM BIRDS

😭

[meager tiger]

Teradactyl is a flying lizard

not a bird

[upper summit]

bruhh

nvm

[primal jewel]

I'm so confused about this lol

So when you say main game mode, do you mean the survival mode in Evrima but updated or do you mean a different mode completely made from scratch? @trail mesa

[trail mesa]

Evrima in the future from what I can tell will refer to the game mode where it’s only smaller animals like cerato, kentro, Utah, etc. I’m not an expert tho, you know as much as I do

[pulsar lake]

It is a Coelosaurian dinosaur

Closely related to Eutyrannosaurs

And Compsonathids

It would have been dope to have a Megaraptor in game like Aerosteon, Megaraptor itself or Orkoraptor.

[pulsar lake]

Ngl it is a bad idea. Sorry for not appreciating it but doing a small only roster and then doing another one with larger animals would end up in a game that will never be balanced.

To me, they should add larger things quick and with similar sized counterparts, like Rex and Trike, Acro for Stego, Allo and Styraco and such things.

So they do not end up being too weak for smaller animals. Look at Stego having less HP than weight mass and dying quickly to a Utahraptor pack who just pounce. It should take a lot of time to kill it and not just a few minutes.
Same goes for Deinosuchus which Carnotaurus shouldn't be good at killing it, and even less Utahraptor but things like Acro could start to threaten it on land.

[oak tapir]

@sour crescent what does that even mean?

Cuz honestlu they don't need to add EVERY small dino then EVERY mid tier then EVERY psedo

IK they wanan build up the eco system from like hypsi to Spino

[barren zephyr]

No

[sour crescent]

Fair enough, time to delete my post.

[barren zephyr]

Evrima is what the devs are working on.
Evrima is purely Official Survival

This does not mean The Isle will only have survival

[primal jewel]

I thought Evrima was the whole recode not just survival mode

[barren zephyr]

seems like plans have changed

so, firstly. The devs are working on Evrima (SURVIVAL GAMEPLAY)

[sour crescent]

Well the split roster was wrong so I'm hoping this is wrong too

[barren zephyr]

then, when they finish EVRIMA, they'll work on other modes

[oak tapir]

Ye since they deleting legacy , Now Evrima is main game

[barren zephyr]

well yes.

Evrima is basically the official servers

you'll be able to activate and deactivate playables on your unofficial

[sour crescent]

But the entire recode is called evrima

These are confusing times

[barren zephyr]

BUT the devs are working on balance for the official survival gameplay (official/stock standard/vanilla servers)

it's basically what Kissen said about Allosaurus

Allo probably wont be a playable for the standard/vanilla/official servers, but WILL BE for unofficials that turned it on

the same with Mercs, etc

[primal jewel]

They are deleting Legacy?

[barren zephyr]

in the future

[primal jewel]

Best news I've heard all day

[barren zephyr]

once Evrima has overrun Legacy content and quality

[primal jewel]

I mean it already has

[barren zephyr]

content though

there needs to be more mechanics and playables

[primal jewel]

If what the admins are saying is once Evrima is done they are gonna make a completely different new mode for the rest of the roster, I don't like the sound of that

[barren zephyr]

no

we are getting 56 playables in The Isle as a whole.
Not all will be playable in official survival servers, as 56 is A LOT of playables to have all at once.
So, gamemodes like official Sandboxes will obviously bring more available playables.

However, admins have the ability to turn off and on playables for their unofficials.
Eg. If they want a Merc only server -> they can do that
If they want Every playable on their server - they can do that
etc etc

[primal jewel]

Hmmm

[pure fossil]

Can we know now what is the list for the official survival servers?

I think the actual Dinos are in that list for sure, but wich more?

[ashen wasp]

No, we don’t know the official Survival list— but we know that the mode will not be balanced around or include by default Allosaurus, at least.

[pure fossil]

Sad 😦

[tawny juniper]

@onyx forge Odds are a 30 carno pack is not killing for fun

That is a lot of food needed

[oblique crane]

@'d a dev in feedback, rip

[odd sedge]

Who would want to play a rat sized lizard that eats junk and only exists to feed others and clean up bodies

[pure fossil]

Heavy words to say lol

[limber hull]

i thought compy was confirmed

[primal jewel]

As Ai only iirc

[barren zephyr]

What i thought they was gonna be playable

[primal jewel]

I'm not too sure

[barren zephyr]

Oh

[limber hull]

pretty sure compy is on the list of playables

[barren zephyr]

I hope so tiny pack dangerous scavengers lol

[limber hull]

i wouldn't say dangerous

id still want to play the little bastard

[limber hull]

dalawong is a creepypasta

[meager crag]

i just want to play a different server

[tawny juniper]

Try uninstalling and reinstalling

Might do something

[meager crag]

alright

i thought about it

[meager crag]

it didnt work

[tawny juniper]

rip

[onyx forge]

when they kill and leave the body yes.

[hoary dawn]

diets will make megapacks unviable to an extent

[compact hare]

ah yes, add another dino to a 56 list of playables just beacuse it has a long neck

[urban flax]

If they can justify how having a long neck can be a unique and interesting niche then I'm ok with it

[swift dew]

from what I understood is that EVRIMA is just the first parts of the recode, where only smaller animals (with some exceptions) are in the game. once we are passed EVRIMA, we go into the rest of the recode where other animals are added

[odd sedge]

So...
It's not wrong to call it the evrima phase?

[worn pumice]

that hunger going down faster while active seems logical

but it'll only make afk even worse

[severe idol]

@modern comet
No. No apes.

[vale pawn]

humans are apes

[safe galleon]

true

[swift dew]

damn you beat me to it

[tawny juniper]

humans are mammals not apes

smh

[severe idol]

Don't even start that.

[warm flame]

[sonic mural]

@onyx forge I think they might be setting up carno as a cannibal, more food needed=willing to kill anything including other carnos but who knows lol hopefully diets somewhat help with what u were saying

[pure fossil]

How, really? Mega packs of carnivores will eat whatever is in front of them. Unless you make carnivores eat only certain kind of animals, Carnis will still going fine with mpacks

[sudden hinge]

Carnos I don’t think at least in diets release will be cannibals and honestly they won’t survive in large groups now since they can’t eat other carnos to survive

[sudden hinge]

No they won’t not unless more people play herbivore and thus that would also aid in culling mega packs

[sonic mural]

Damn that’s what I liked about playing carno the most

[pure fossil]

Mega packs hunt not only herbs, but all

[sudden hinge]

It would just let them proliferate honestly if they didn’t have this debuff in place

[pure fossil]

That it’s impossible to stop unless you make carnis eat specific meat

[sudden hinge]

Yeah but mega packs work because they can continue to survive off eating there own you can’t do that post diets for Utah or carno

[sudden hinge]

This is completely unnecessary with the cannibalism debuff being a thing

Take out the ability to eat other carnos and mega packs fail

[pure fossil]

Yeah I see what you mean. But you are trusting that mega packs work because cannibalism, and sadly it’s not always like that. Many times they eat everything. And eat other carnis is not cannibalism, so if you take that… idk seems to much force something. I understand the rebuff of cannibalism , but eat other carnis? Idk dude… seems a road that it’s not fun. Mostly for carnivores because survive many times eating more carnis than herbs, because ppl play more carnivores than herbis

[sudden hinge]

Carnos they can’t eat there own species and what do you mean you can’t have a group of 10 carnos and survive well at all without eating other carnos herds aren’t defenseless and the reason you’ll see lots of carnos is because they eat the fallen after a hunt to keep there strength up with the diet paths it would benefit more to kill off other carnos to stop them from competing with your diet needs. Mega packs may still occur but not nearly as frequent as they are now and they’ll be way weaker

You get debuffed from not following your diet needs and a group of carnos would be struggling to support that aspect thus being weaker than like a trio or pair of carnos and especially weaker than a solo carno who doesn’t need to share its dietary needs with other carnos

[pure fossil]

I said carnis, not carnos of carnotaurus lol. Still megapacks live of losing ppl and adding more later, idk really if diets as you say will be to much effective unless you force carnivores to eat specific meat or like that

It’s a thought tho… we need to see it first.

[upper summit]

why x? overeating isn't good!

[compact hare]

Im pretty sure they deconfirmed fat dinos

[icy lion]

punch did

im looking

additionally id consider that image to be animal abuse and im unsure whether to outright take it down

#isle-discussion message

[upper summit]

I mean I'm not condoning or promoting animal abuse I'm just using it as an example?

[icy lion]

doesnt change the fact that its abuse

[upper summit]

I didn't take the picture lmao

[icy lion]

obviously

doesnt change anything

[upper summit]

ok?

that's not the context

I think deino should get overweight

I mean gators get overweight alot

[severe idol]

Don't post the picture. If people are curious they can look it up. The feedback is fine otherwise.

[sudden hinge]

Diets will mitigate mega packs

[odd sedge]

@sly vessel
Upvoting your own suggestion yet again

[severe idol]

He likes his own suggestion. That's good.

[vale pawn]

time to wait for, the saying

the original

the sacred text

[compact hare]

I want to ping him but aaah

[sly vessel]

I’m putting my point of view and putting also the little emoji, if people don’t like it, they can easily vote negatively, one voting of mine is nothing, really, people is the one to decide and vote, so.

And I’m a her.

[odd sedge]

Yeah but you don't really do that, pal...
It just seems like you are celebrating your own opinion

[sly vessel]

If you don’t like my points, just vote negatively, you are free to do it.

[compact hare]

(Miragaia is a he, yes ? Idk )

[sly vessel]

Celebrating? For putting emojis for people to vote?

[odd sedge]

Pretty sure they can do it themselves if they like it

[severe idol]

It's a non-issue. Don't get your undies in a twist over this, @odd sedge. It matters exactly none that someone upvotes their own stuff. Who cares.

[sly vessel]

Im doing nothing but putting what I think, and emojis if people wanna vote, if you don’t want it, vote or put and X, it’s totally free.

Is literally one single vote…

[vale pawn]

the 🌴 and 🏝️ emotes are fine, they dont mean anything just fun little things to add

[severe idol]

It's not like we actually are more likely to read feedback based on the number of reactions anyways. They serve almost no purpose beyond making you guys feel better and foster a mini-community.

[sly vessel]

At the end, I can totally agree with my point and put my little grain of salt.

It’s just opinions, it’s not like it’s gonna be added 100%, I put my view, and my vote, you guys and devs decide.

🌴🏝 and this is just cutes emojis based in my opinion. Nothing much serious about it.

Also, I’m not celebrating my opinion since it’s that, just an opinion, the actual celebration would be if people like it and someday it gets added. Believe me, my own cute emojis and opinions are not 100% to do things, so don’t worry about the emoji. Lol

[tawny juniper]

[upper summit]

how many suggestions have actually been added to the game?

[severe idol]

Considering the entirety of Evrima was suggestion related?

A lot.

EVRIMA being released early in it's current state to be 'open beta' was also a suggestion.

[sly vessel]

It would just take time to read all of the opinions and suggestions, work on them and finally put it in the game.

[lone kite]

competition in one species is realistic its why animals fight and even kill each other when growing a carnivore not being able to kill your own kind would lessen the difficulty to much competition is needed to add difficulty to both herbs and carnis sometimes the biggest threat is your own kind with out it carnivores would flourish and herbs would virtually disappear from play being able to kill your own kind is necessary in keeping the balance yes it can get frustrating but with every death comes a learning exspiriance on where to not go when small even if you don't mentally reconcile it your brain does and you'll avoid that place when small more often, every death can be seen as a good thing while uve been set back you learn to avoid the same mistakes that get you killed thats why same species combat needs to be a thing

a rex needs to be able to protect his territory from other rexs

so while it may be fustraiteing its an important part of the balance

[tawny juniper]

Hopefully that comes with diets

Making it so competition adds kind of a cap on how many of one kind of dinos can flourish

Like there can be 10 rexes in a server but only enough resources for 4

[lone kite]

yea kinda create an breakable cap for apexs so that eventually only the 4 kings of the jungle will remain

its not a litterally you cannot play this dino cap but more of a recorce cap

sure you could be the 5th rex but if you want to thrive as a rex then you best be able to fight for the throne

[urban flax]

The fact herbis are gonna mixpack anyways doesn't mean they need an incentive to do so
It's actually the opposite

[sudden hinge]

Mix and mega packs are definitely going to be less of a thing after diets are out

[muted fog]

That skin looks like arks quetz

[hasty dagger]

How about just… leave the group

Crouching for ambushes while also being aware of your teammates position is important

[pale crest]

Yeah but you usually dont have time to go into the tab before someone catches up to you, while otherwise you could just quickly crouch while you're barely out of sight

and if you're all hunting something, you'd likely be aware that you're all crouched and aiming for a hunt

[hasty dagger]

Crouching and moving as slowly as possible is better than taking 2 seconds to leave and booking it?

[last topaz]

Yeah pteras aren’t bigger than humans, not by a long shot

[paper oriole]

upvoting your own suggestion

[tawny juniper]

pretty cringe mate 🦘

@sage gate We're currently capped on playables coming to the game

[sonic mural]

@sage gate dont see why that would really be added tbh

[jade schooner]

Also for that size: we already got Troodon and Velo

[honest sparrow]

We already have Austro

[sage gate]

:d idk it looks interesting

[jade schooner]

Sorry bud. Not worth it. And if things go as planned, velo will have feathers, so no need for another similar sized speedster just because feathers look pretty

[sage gate]

okay just chill lol

[jade schooner]

lol I’m chill XD
Sorry if it came a lil harsh

[sage gate]

it's ok, i was just freaked out that so many ppl texted me in one time when i posted it :d

[jade schooner]

Dino suggestions are rather frequent. So I guess it’s normal

[paper oriole]

i mean if anything its better than another carchardontosaurus suggestion

still it would be a literal velo clone

[sage gate]

well ye but it look better than velo i think :D

[pale crest]

it's not entirely 2 seconds, you have to open the player health screen, tab to the group bit and then hit leave group to which all steps aren't so close to eachother to make it quick and easy before someone can manage to track you down even after you leave group. Quickly crouching when you can manage to buy urself precious time to leave group and also be able to run without giving away your position with your nametag. To which would also happen when you leave crouch so people can't abuse it while within group and people will know they're acting suspicious.

[hoary dawn]

this whole "small roster" thing is so weird

there are 2 apexes in the game

idk what about that is small

i get the wanting to have different experiences depending on the roster, but the one we have currently doesn't seem like it should be one things like allo are excluded from

[limber hull]

i mean

stego and deino aren't apexes, but they are big

but the small roster is def weird

[clear prairie]

Compared to the bigger creatures in game not really, but compared to humans yeah.

[limber hull]

especially since they've confirmed Rex AI for some reason

[clear prairie]

Well the trailer for EVRIMA, Hope, includes Sucho, Trike, and Spino which would all be apexes. But this could also be an option (#general-feedback message)

[limber hull]

that too

this is really really weird

[swift dew]

well you see, that is where you are wrong. nowhere does it say that the hope trailer was for evrima

[limber hull]

its very much implied lmao

but i guess you are right it doesn't say that

[swift dew]

I think that what is happening is that EVRIMA is a gamemode that they would like to make, it is the smaller animals of the roster (don't ask my why stego and deino are playable). the recode is the entire rebuild of the game, so from what I understand there will be different gamemodes, EVRIMA is just one of them, and they decided to start with EVRIMA because they were going to do the smaller animals first. I think there will be another mode where everything is playable.

at least that is how I understood it

[clear prairie]

Hmmm

[hoary dawn]

i will now ask why stego and deino are playable

[clear prairie]

So evrima is like a testing/beta version for the full recode?

[swift dew]

[clear prairie]

they aren't huge animals like trike or allo or something like that

[limber hull]

that still doesn't explain why they also confirmed Rex AI lmao. I'm very confused by this choice tbh

[swift dew]

"allo"

did you just call ALLO a huge animal?

[limber hull]

Stego and Deino are very close to the size of Trike

[clear prairie]

sorry

[limber hull]

Yes, they are smaller

[swift dew]

also deino being bigger than trike moment

[limber hull]

Deino is bigger, nevermind then

[swift dew]

not to mention our deino is like half the weight of the real thing, they could reach 14 tons irl

[clear prairie]

whatever

[hoary dawn]

deino is the aquatic apex

[limber hull]

very true

[hoary dawn]

stego is more along the lines of a psuedo apex compared to trike and shant

[limber hull]

Deino could be upscaled to actually become an apex if they felt like it. Increase the size and growth time, but at this stage of the game, we do NOT need an accurately sized deino

[clear prairie]

Still an interesting approach if this is true.

[limber hull]

Stego is the only thing currently that reliably stands a chance against deino

[clear prairie]

Plus the map has gone through more than two water re-routes

[hoary dawn]

you'd think they'd put in all the playables and balance them off eachother first before splitting them into separate "gamemodes"

[clear prairie]

true

[swift dew]

I mean, they are doing evrima first because if you finish an animal for evrima you can just put it into another gamemode

[limber hull]

i mean, based on the trello, they are hyper-focused on smalls atm

[hoary dawn]

which is good

[limber hull]

closest thing we will see to rex for a while is probably carno

lmao

im fine with that, troodon and beipi look cool as hell imo.

[hoary dawn]

the new smalls are definitely the better additions

they get all the cool shit

cept ovi

[swift dew]

poor ovi

[clear prairie]

ovi is ok

troodon and dilo are my big boys

hopefully cera too

i think everything in the INHABITANTS tab is what we will get for evrima

[tawny juniper]

3 if you include spino

[tawny juniper]

Def more than that

[hoary dawn]

i meant in game rn

[tawny juniper]

oh yeah

[hoary dawn]

if they want to go for a small tier roster they shouldn't add the bus sized alligator

[still sinew]

@clear prairie I think Kissen is refering to the STAGE of the game's development known currently as EVRIMA. IE:: when the game is completely finished it's development in later years - it will not be called EVRIMA... That's what I've come to understand.

[barren zephyr]

So from what we have heard, I am a little worried about the direction the game is now going

[honest sparrow]

Thank god people can enable all creatures independently

Because this is just split roster stuff again

[barren zephyr]

I mean why would they split the roster

[honest sparrow]

And it could also just be kissen being kissen again

Last time this happened punch clarified stuff

[hoary dawn]

i hope its just a kissenism

[barren zephyr]

I just don’t see the point of not having every creature in survival if it’s being made. And there being more game modes than survival

Idk there isn’t much stuff to see for this so we can’t go off of much

Wasn’t evrima just the brand name of the recode

[honest sparrow]

The only game modes I see being a thing are survival and sandbox, and maybe prog as like a gimmick mode

[barren zephyr]

Prog is never coming back they stated

They didn’t like it

I just don’t see the point of not adding every creature into the core game mode of The Isle

[honest sparrow]

Also literally no one’s “””clarification””” has lined up with each other’s

[barren zephyr]

We just gotta wait for punch so he can clarify this

Kissen just states it as evrima is the game mode of survival and not everything will be put in it. This could just be a mistake since I also see someone talking about how it was said evrima is just a stage of getting the smaller creatures in first before the bigger ones

[drifting radish]

I thought that Evrima was the unbrella name for the recode and that the recode would be a better, new, more fleshed out version of legacy where they could put previous plans in. my take on it, at least.

[swift dew]

I don't even know at this point

[limber hull]

very confusing ngl

[swift dew]

@sweet wharf dm that to a mod

[sweet wharf]

Fair call. Apologies

[swift dew]

np, you didn't know

[swift dew]

@primal jewel im pretty sure EVRIMA is a gamemode of survival with just the smaller creatures, the main gamemode is going to have them all I think. im pretty sure its to get people to play the smaller creatures more

also to create an interesting ecosystem where the traditional apexes don't exist

[primal jewel]

I don't like this at all, it's splitting up the roster.

[swift dew]

no it isnt, you will have your full roster in one gamemode. and you will have a smaller roster of small creatures in a different gamemode

I think that is how its going to work

a split roster is you only have part of the roster in one gamemode, and another part in a different gamemode

[hoary dawn]

smaller roster of small creatures is fine

but what i dont understand is why kissen says they are currently building that with evrima

when they are very much not

[paper oriole]

I know what that sleep suggestion is saying yet it hurts to read lol

[nimble helm]

Ok so like the bob sleeping

but a few changes

[paper oriole]

What kind of changes

[nimble helm]

your screen goes dark like the current sleep so you can't see what's happening idk i just had this thought in my brain for so long i just had to put it out there

And I think it will increase the level of how scary the isle is going to be in the near future

[primal jewel]

Why not have the full roster in survival

[nimble helm]

They will have the full roster in survival but a host of a sever will be able the choose what dino he/her wants on it's sever (I think i don't think if that is what going to happen)

But i did hear some people talking about it

[hoary dawn]

server owners have been confirmed to be able to decide which playables they want

[limber hull]

i hope officials allow all playables

[honest sparrow]

its such a stupid situation

last time this happened it was not pretty

[barren zephyr]

This whole thing about splitting the game between Evrima and some other game mode is needlessly confusing and won't work

I'm sure of it

[limber hull]

plus, how do officials work with this?

do they have survival or EVRIMA?

will we only be able to play the big lads on community servers?

[honest sparrow]

I'm very much hoping

that this is just a kissen moment

and she worded it poorly

again

[barren zephyr]

Doubt it. She said it in like 3 different comments in basically the same way, so she means it

[honest sparrow]

she meant it last time iirc

[limber hull]

true, its very hard to take it any other way

[barren zephyr]

That's gonna be a disaster

The whole community is just gonna play on apex servers

[limber hull]

but i really want to play against rexes and gigas in official. I like the idea of fighting big boys

[barren zephyr]

Same. Sometimes it's not about playing the apexes but about playing against them

This is especially shady when you consider that the Hope trailer showed the Rex and Spino, and that was supposed to advertise Evrima

[limber hull]

i will be honest, i like they are adding small dinos first so people have dinos they enjoy rather than instantly gravitating to the massive lads, but dont retcon them from EVRIMA entirely

[honest sparrow]

it just completely fucks with the viability of some dinos too

[primal jewel]

Yep false advertising it seems

[hasty dagger]

If they do this I guarantee official servers gonna be dead as fuck

[primal jewel]

Yep

[barren zephyr]

Exactly, why play Evrima when the other mode has the big guys? Especially if the other mode is gonna have the apexes and the small ones too, then Evrima is gonna be completely pointless

[limber hull]

take, for example, carno which is meant to be a small game hunter. If you don't add the big shit, you continue to have a beast that has none of the viable counters it needs, since carno is meant to fucking eat shit to anything bigger than it.

[honest sparrow]

its possible the apexes have their own game mode if this situation comes out in the worst way, so its not technically false advertising but it also sucks

[honest sparrow]

if its big enough to be allowed on mid tier servers, it is complete garbage, because there is nothing for it to hunt

[barren zephyr]

The game may not need apexes at the moment but they will be necessary. Outside of big packs of Utahs, the hell is gonna hunt Stegos?

[limber hull]

i dont see a need at all for apexes as the game stands

but it certainly needs it later down the road

[honest sparrow]

idk maybe a large pack of allos-
oh wait
shit

[barren zephyr]

They've already messed up this thing of Evrima being small creatures only, since Deino and Stego are already in

[limber hull]

exactly. Literal 8 ton and 6 ton animals are now in EVRIMA, you can't really say that isn't a big animal

[barren zephyr]

Deino for example needs competition from something big, a Bary isn't gonna do shit except kill baby crocs

[honest sparrow]

I remember some dev said they consider those to be mid tiers

[limber hull]

Spino seems like the best counter to deino

[honest sparrow]

but that in and of itself is also a problem

[barren zephyr]

The fact that they added Beipi back on the roadmap but not Sucho also scares, as this further cements the idea that bigger things are not coming to Evrima, even tho Sucho is hella needed to compete with the crocs

[honest sparrow]

honestly I don't see sucho competing with deino

it might kill the occasional stray sub or juvi once full grown

[barren zephyr]

If they size it up to the biggest estimate it could probably fuck up any deino smaller than 80% grown, which is more than enough

[primal jewel]

It will kill the juvis and subs which will mean less adult Deinos

[barren zephyr]

It would pose as some sort of reason for Deinos to be afraid of the shallow waters, as that would be where the Sucho lives

[honest sparrow]

I guess but the same population control for deino sucho provides is much the same the other way around, except full deinos can probably kill full suchos

[barren zephyr]

Exactly. Bary could probably still do that but Sucho would really be their best bet, but apparently can;t have that, it's too big, even tho we already have 8 ton creatures

[barren zephyr]

If they make it just big enough to not be lunged one could probably just run away on land, and small suchos would probably just have to avoid deep water all together

[primal jewel]

He doesn't mean Sucho will kill adult Deinos, when he says compete with crocs he means Sucho will be eating the same food source and will be calling smaller crocs which will mean less Adult crocs

[honest sparrow]

and the fact that deino can just on sight suchos

just does not exist

or

[barren zephyr]

It's so confusing as well because I don't see anybody else mention this roster split nonsense

Why is Kissen so set in splitting the game modes?

[limber hull]

it is an exceptionally odd choice

[barren zephyr]

Like I understand apexes didn't exactly work in Legacy and they're scared that they're gonna ruin the balance of the game again, but splitting the game into 2 modes and restricting them to only one is not the way to go

[limber hull]

oh also comes in the confusion that is sandbox as well

[barren zephyr]

Yeah it will probably be just like in Legacy where the Officials are gonna be the only ones that has the proper roster, with community servers having op atrocities like Shants and Spinos walking around

[pure fossil]

This is not the first time they made the wrong choice. Let them do this if they want, eventually they will step backwards and remake the official survival mode again for fit with apexes. If not… I see All of the servers being dead as heck

[honest sparrow]

I swear if they sideline spino again when it was essentially their highlight of the evrima trailer imma die

[limber hull]

i really hope that even with this really weird gamemode shit, they still have Official keep the COMPLETE roster

not some halfway point

[nimble helm]

They should just keep it like legacy with the only other games mode was sandbox i would say progression but we don't talk about that no more. But how would progression play out on evrima?

[honest sparrow]

Similar

[nimble helm]

True but just sandbox and progression would be nice

If plan on adding progression

[honest sparrow]

sandbox is confirmed and earlier someone said they never want prog back

[barren zephyr]

Yep. Some people really like the gamestyle that officials provide. Low or non existant rules, just pure survival. If they make its roster smaller and everyone is gonna play on the servers with apexes that's really gonna prevent the people who like that playstyle from even playing

[honest sparrow]

I like variety yknow

[limber hull]

me and my mates were really hyped to play mercs and run from a T-Rex. It just seems really fun

[honest sparrow]

I'm sure mercs will be a constant for officials

[limber hull]

true, but rexes are in a weird space

[barren zephyr]

Mercs need apexes to work properly.

Their whole thing is that they counter apexes, if there's no apexes what are they gonna do?

[primal jewel]

If they make certain dinosaurs Sandbox only like in Legacy I'm uninstalling the game

[honest sparrow]

shoot smaller dinos I guess

the only dinos I can see being sandbox only are brachi and compy, and even then they don't deserve that

[primal jewel]

None of them should be sandbox only

[nimble helm]

And common everyone that own this game and as like 300 + hours love to play apexes and it's just gonna be a shit show with all the sever that has apexes on them

[limber hull]

i want to see brachi and compy in survival. It'd be hysterical to see a compy bravely go up to a brachi and bite it

[honest sparrow]

both should be in survival

[vale pawn]

what would wallowing brachi be

[honest sparrow]

and both should be balanced like everything else

[primal jewel]

I just know someone's going to do it

[limber hull]

i dont think it could wallow tbh

too big to get enough mud consistently

[honest sparrow]

it uses its trunk to fling the mud on itself

[nimble helm]

They will but brachi will be ai

[limber hull]

Uh, pretty sure brachi was confirmed as playable

[primal jewel]

It will Ai as well

[nimble helm]

Oh really

[limber hull]

still not at all excited for dino AI but whatever

[barren zephyr]

Idk, I just don't want any of that Legacy shit where there's more dinos unplayable than playable

[honest sparrow]

only dino ai I like are the compy cleanup crews tbh

[limber hull]

thats fair

since compy might as well be an ambient animal AI like a goat with its size tbh

[honest sparrow]

they actually serve a purpose and make sense to be ai

[barren zephyr]

That will just lead to more admins taking money from children to give them op dinos in a game mode that they're not supposed to be in

[primal jewel]

You gotta have Ai incase there's no players around to hunt

[limber hull]

then keep it with animals. That's why they're adding goats and shit

[honest sparrow]

the animal ai already do this tbh

[primal jewel]

Goats gonna be hard to fill up on as Rex

[limber hull]

rex isnt being added to EVRIMA

apparently, anyway

[barren zephyr]

Rex shouldn't be handed free food tho

[honest sparrow]

I can't really see a rex sustaining on goats but it will probably briefly tide it over long enough for it to realize there's nothing to hunt and it should log

[limber hull]

AI dino seriously seem like free food

[honest sparrow]

anyway

[limber hull]

Or really fucking annoying deaths

[honest sparrow]

playable mungle

when

[barren zephyr]

Imagine ai stegos just being free food for a rex because they have no idea how to fight properly

[primal jewel]

Apparently whatever that means

[barren zephyr]

Or ai utahs running in a straight line away from Carnos, they'll just be free carno food

[honest sparrow]

dryo being a common preffered food screams cringe to me

especially if its common ai

[limber hull]

From what I've seen, AI is capable of instantly turning its back to you as teno, locating you perfectly through bushes and agroing if you so much as enter a 50m radius of it

Meanwhile, dryo is literal free food

[honest sparrow]

so just teno players then

[primal jewel]

Make it so the Ai can fight back

[nimble helm]

Ok what if they add a apex count here there can only be 3 of every apex on a sever? it sound crazy but it would help the isle with the over populated apex's

[barren zephyr]

Yes, ai is either a Terminator that finds you anywhere and kills you mercilessly or free food. They'll never be balanced

[limber hull]

That's what they're (trying) to do

AI will fight back. Even tho if your adding free food creatures, you may as well make that free food creature seperate from players entirely and not feed much at all

i.e. Animal AI

Because, as a pack based animal like utah and teno, i really hate the idea of running into brainless AI rather than people I can actually interact with

[honest sparrow]

that would lead to people who want to play apexes (mind you its not just giga, rex, and spino, but the herbis as well) just camping the servers to be let in, and honestly I'd rather just make apex growth hard and allow them to be cannibals so they have a tough time actually making it to adulthood, rather than artificially limiting it which limits fun for people

[barren zephyr]

That's why all ai should do is just be juvi food. Large ai will never work in this game.

[limber hull]

I agree. Large AI is a mistake in the making

[honest sparrow]

some carnis are small enough that they could hypothetically live off anmal ai

[limber hull]

Free food for apexes

[limber hull]

true but they reach adulthood at the same stage other species reach 25%, so that doesn't matter too much

[honest sparrow]

I mean ptera already does actually

[limber hull]

ptera for example literally lives entirely off AI

yea

[honest sparrow]

it kinda sucks the way it catches its normal prey

but eh

[nimble helm]

Ok so i just looked at the thing about kissen and it sounds dumb

[limber hull]

Can't wait to see how absolutely fucking useless Troodon's mimic ability is against AI because they didn't at all think about the repercussions of making an AI that looks identical to players

[barren zephyr]

Exactly. Apex growth should be hell. If they don't follow their diets they should grow for like 24h and if they do follow their diets they're really vulnerable because they're stepping out into the world to hunt

[limber hull]

Boy, hallucination with dilo, that won't mean jackshit on AI but it's a cool idea

[honest sparrow]

everything should be encouraged to kill a juvi apex given the chance

[limber hull]

There is SO MUCH wrong with AI conceptually

[nimble helm]

Should the isle game be evrima

and the dino's just content

[limber hull]

what

[barren zephyr]

This is dumb. This whole thing about Evrima being a mode scares me.

[nimble helm]

Yesssssssssssss

[barren zephyr]

I don't even care about playing apexes too much, the largest dinosaur I ever mained was Sucho and that apparently is too big too

[nimble helm]

Bc all we thought is that it's the same a legacy just better and different engine

[limber hull]

what

[barren zephyr]

But separating the game between "apex mode" and "no apex mode" is gonna kill officials

[limber hull]

its the same engine

[nimble helm]

I tis

Is

[limber hull]

Unreal Engine

still unreal

[nimble helm]

Im stupid

[limber hull]

Also no one believed it would be the same as legacy

[nimble helm]

My falt sorry

[limber hull]

The whole point was that it was not exactly like Legacy

[nimble helm]

Well it's better

[barren zephyr]

It was supposed to suceed where Legacy failed

Yet it's making the same mistakes and new ones

[nimble helm]

Im to tired im gonna just look at ya chats

[pure fossil]

Just like Ian Malcolm said to Hammond on Jp 2, lol

[barren zephyr]

Yup

[pure fossil]

Honestly, someone needs to try to buy the rights of the isle and all the team and take a new lead lol idk how much Dondi will ask for sell the Isle rights atm hahaha but sometimes I think that could be a nice solution. Buy the game code and start with a fresh lead vision and concept

[barren zephyr]

No one is gonna come out of nowhere, take the game and make it perfect. That never happens. If anyone ever buys this game and takes the lead it's gonna be out of some ulterior motives, not because they geniunely want to make the game good.

That way you might risk things like microtransactions and all sort of other things just to squize money out of the game.

Because if anyone would want to buy this game it would be because they want to make money out of it, not because they wanna save it

[limber hull]

i dont believe its a bad game, nor that its direction is bad, but i do feel there are several missteps

[pure fossil]

Ik but even with that, not the first time this happens and ends in a better product. But yes, can happen too as you said with the transactions and that, risky move

[limber hull]

also a new guy buying it will fix jacksquat

i feel like in a sense, its a good thing they revealed this, because the community response will help them reconsider

[urban flax]

The last posts in the general feedback channel shows exactly why the devs want to tell the community as few things as possible. People always overreact to everything. We don't even know what Kissen meant and people make up things

[limber hull]

tbf, the way it was phrased is very... To the point. Literally said on multiple different occasions that EVRMIA will not have larger dinos

[barren zephyr]

Nobody is making up anything. That's clearly what she said.

[urban flax]

Her message everyone is referring to in their feedbacks is cryptic as hell

[urban flax]

Yet for some reason we have deino and stego
We should take what she says with a grain of salt

[limber hull]

i know

im confused too about that

[urban flax]

Honestly, I trust the devs on what they plan on doing. In evrima so far there haven't been really bad decisions (one could argue implementing deino and stego that early are, but that's not really important since that will automatically solve itself later)
And if they decide something, they most probably have a good reason for it.

[limber hull]

well there's the thing, apparently deino and steg wont actually get any viable large contest in EVRIMA. tbh, we all knew little dinos were being added first, but the idea of them being the only type of dinos in EVRIMA is my problem

[barren zephyr]

Have these 2 screenshots of what she said. That doesn't sound cryptic at all, that's pretty straight forward

[silent current]

No idea what's cryptic in that

[barren zephyr]

I am really not bothered by whatever the devs are trying to do. I care more about a fleshed out environment over a big roster.

[barren zephyr]

Nothing is.

[limber hull]

its not really cryptic

very straight up

[silent current]

Exactly

[barren zephyr]

Well that's the thing, if they split the game in 2 modes then everyone is gonna go play the one with apexes, then there will still not be a fleshed out roster

hmm good point.

[urban flax]

I didn't see the other messages

I don't see what's so scary about that tho
They intend to provide more than one gamemode. That's a good thing.

[silent current]

The point is everyone will play the gamemode with apexes, its that simple

[barren zephyr]

If it was the first time I'd dismiss it as just Kissen misspelling something, but this is the second time she brings the topic up, meaning she's really set on doing it, otherwise she would have just given up on the isea

[limber hull]

its going to divide the playerbase. People want to play as/against the big things. A lot of the survival horror of this game comes from the fear of that massive motherfucker laying waste to you at any time.

[silent current]

i refuse to believe anyone wants to play on an empty server or server with 10 people just because there is a magyarosaurus

[limber hull]

I don't even want to play as rex that much

I just want to play against apexes

[barren zephyr]

No. They intend to divide the game into amode that has apexes and one that doesn't, meaning everyone will just play the one with apexes because it's gonna have more players

[urban flax]

If nobody plays the gamemode with smalls only I don't see a problem
People will play in the gamemode with all playables and that's all

[urban flax]

How is that a problem ?

[silent current]

this guy lol

[limber hull]

because it falls to servers

[urban flax]

If they intend to provide several gamemodes, then officials will have several gamemodes.

[barren zephyr]

You hit the nail on the head with that one

[barren zephyr]

Because then they're literally wasting time developing 2 game modes when people really only need one

[limber hull]

if officials only run EVRIMA, that's a huge issue for the Aussie community. NO ONE in Aus plays on the community servers, and I really hope that we aren't forced to play on these "freegrow admin-hell" servers just to play in a certain style

it may not be bad for you as someone who gets a wide variety of server choice but down here in Aus, we only get Official

[urban flax]

They're not developing 2 game modes, they're developing a game then disabling some creatures on some servers

[honest sparrow]

I'd rather have the option to play whatever on officials, and if for some reason I want to play with a more limited roster, unofficials can provide that experience

[limber hull]

Unofficials can limit their rosters, that's fine

[barren zephyr]

Which is literally the same mistake they were making in Legacy, the thing we're trying to move away from

[limber hull]

But officials need to give everyone every available choice

[urban flax]

If we get both "normal" officials and "small roster" ones there really isn't a problem

[limber hull]

we have one AU server down here lmao

there's only one

[barren zephyr]

There is, because there should really only be one roster, they don't have to split the community even further, it already is really dvided

[limber hull]

I know NA has 2

[urban flax]

Then it will likely be in the gamemode that is the most popular

[limber hull]

or the one the devs choose to make the official server gamemode across the board

[barren zephyr]

It's super easy, Game only needs one mode, that's it

Plus deathmatch if they ever bring it back, but that's it

[limber hull]

Besides, they confirmed they are working on small animals first, not like we'll be seeing a giga for a long while

[urban flax]

I can see the appeal in only having smalls be playable tho
That's actually why they intended to make Rex AI only at first

[limber hull]

Why tho

That seems so silly to me

[honest sparrow]

so punch basically just said that its the old situation

again

[urban flax]

They want dino gameplay to be horror too, and as stated in the loading screens "there's always something bigger than you"
But there is nothing bigger than a rex, and as such people playing rex won't have much to fear

[limber hull]

If they want all smalls, then commit to all smalls. Don't make a massive dino and throw it into this small landscape just because

[barren zephyr]

The "small roster" mode will have AI apex predators (or at least an AI rex)

[honest sparrow]

spino, shant, cama, bronto, brachi, hypos-

[limber hull]

AI Apexes

good fucking luck getting those guys to be both fun and fair

[barren zephyr]

The roadmap had rex AI mentioned, at least at some point.

[urban flax]

If all of them are playable then you can still play as the biggest thing around, that's my point

[limber hull]

they'll either be completely immune to stealth or a free meal for a megapack

[urban flax]

There are games with perfectly fine and believable working AI

[barren zephyr]

Yeah.

While the AI in Evrima so far is a bit wonky, that's because it's still in development. It is something that will gradually improve.

[limber hull]

yes. Those games are generally built from the ground up around said AI, more than likely a singleplayer experience, and the AI does not have the complexities of navigating a massive map for food, water, prey and so on, all while respecting several implemented stealth mechanics and acting very much as a human would. I still have yet to see a shooter game, something far more simple to make AI for, replicate the complexities of human players.

Let the AI be goats ffs

Boars and other little shit

[urban flax]

If AI are only modern animals, nothing will ever pose a threat to something bigger than a Utah

[limber hull]

what

yes

the players

i.e. carnos

[urban flax]

Not enough slots on seervers, map too big

[limber hull]

then

improve the netcode?

something they have been working on for a while

[urban flax]

Having a living world is better imo

[honest sparrow]

eh, I don't really see how that's a problem, technically brachi is the biggest playable, and its still going to have to worry about other stuff, granted not as much as something like dryo but it can still be fearful of apex packs, hypos, hell even the forces of nature could cause a brachi to shit its pants

[limber hull]

I agree. You don't NEED AI for a living world

[urban flax]

Yes you do. Players will NEVER make an ecosystem.

[limber hull]

neither will AI

[honest sparrow]

living world =/= ecosystem

[limber hull]

AI will make a buffet

[urban flax]

It does in every survival game tho

[limber hull]

like?

[barren zephyr]

Humans are violent bloodthirsty primates. They want to kill things in video games, and I can confirm this because I like going on killing sprees in TF2.

[limber hull]

In what survival game has the ecosystem been fully functional conceptually thanks to AI

[urban flax]

Every single one. They work because of the absence of players in the middle of it. An ecosystem made only of AI can work, while an ecosystem made of players won't.

Except maybe Minecraft

[limber hull]

i wouldnt call them ecosystems

all the AI exist to feed the player. They are nothing more than resources

[barren zephyr]

Minecraft is relatively simple when it comes to code.

[urban flax]

Only real life has an actual ecosystem
But games can simulate one

[limber hull]

Once people find out how to exploit these AIs, they begin to efficiently use them to bypass the difficulties of actually obtaining food

This happens in basically every survival game

To think AI will be sophisticated enough to adequately react and behave how a human would to every different species and their attack type, abilities, movement options, etc is not just wishful thinking, it's imaginary

God forbid Troodon just gets bodied for trying to use stealth and its mimic ability and instead an AI rocks up and kills it because troodon's stealth means nothing to something that can see only in "enemy here, move to attack". It won't react to calls of its own kind, it'll detect the "hostile enemy node" on Troodon and go in to brutalise it

[barren zephyr]

I would rather impose some difficulties on survival. I mean hunting for instance. Hunting takes effort, depending on the species and their hunting strategy.

[urban flax]

What if Stealth and mimicry works against AI ? You know stealth games exist, and they work with AI, right ?

[limber hull]

yes. Because those AI were programmed from the ground up to be "stealth game AI"

[urban flax]

You're still assuming AI will be dead stupid
But as I said, AI can be smart, especially with nowadays' technology

[limber hull]

you expect AI to do everything a player can, that's absurd

[urban flax]

Not that much

[limber hull]

then it wont be good for the game. Because it will be exploitable or annoying to be attacked by

[urban flax]

You can't know

[limber hull]

Either the AI is a perfect recreation of a human's brain (impossible) or its flawed in ways that the creativity of the human mind can learn to exploit, or it's flawed in ways that make it exceed what a human can do because it is not affected by the same things as players

[urban flax]

Or it is made so you don't notice the flaws

[limber hull]

I'd be shocked if they can do it

[urban flax]

Look at stealth games. Some of them do really well at making simple yet perfectly working AI.

[limber hull]

Even the best of the best games have exploitable trends in AI

"perfectly working"

no

no stealth game has perfectly working AI

stealth games are fun because of the fact AI can be really fucking stupid. In fact, it's a frequent meme in many stealth games to make fun of the dumbshit AI

[urban flax]

Then you don't know any good stealth game

[limber hull]

name one

[urban flax]

Dishonored

Styx : Master of Shadows

[limber hull]

very good game, very fun

Played Styx too

[urban flax]

Horizon Zero Dawn

[limber hull]

That was good fun but I did absolutely fuck over the AI at one point

It was absolutely hilarious

But proved, again, that the perfect AI doesn't exist

Also those games were, again, built from the ground up as stealth games.

[urban flax]

You can still have AI that fulfills its role and can't be abused reliably

[flat crypt]

it doesnt need to be perfect AI, that would be nice but a bit overkill. So long as AI is good enough to maintain a fun, but challenging experience, then that's all it needs to be

[honest sparrow]

I mean is there a perfect anything really-

[limber hull]

nope

[urban flax]

And AI in the Isle, a game where survival and stealth matters the most, can't be ?

[limber hull]

well

in a game where you have, apparently, 50+ available dinos running around with each having a unique skill and ability

im 100% sure the AI will have many, MANY points where a matchup just doesn't work

(troodon)

(dilo)

how do you even make an AI hallucinate

[urban flax]

Look at how mimicry and hallucinations affect a players behaviour
Have the AI react the same way
Make personalities to mimick the different reactions a player can have

[flat crypt]

hallucinating player might more erratically and miss attacks. make the AI move funny and have lowered accuracy

The AI itself doesn't need to be hallucinating, it just needs to seem to you that it is

[limber hull]

seems like they'll spend more times developing the fucking AI to work with the new dinos rather than developing the new dinos

gotta love it

just have simple goat AI or shit

goat sees dino, scared, runs away and bleats

that's good AI because it's dumb as fuck on purpose

[urban flax]

And what is gonna scare you ?
Animal AI is boring as hell

[flat crypt]

they've got different people on the team who specialise in different areas

[limber hull]

other... players?

[urban flax]

They're more dumb than AI

[limber hull]

lmao

how do you know

[flat crypt]

with the rather lofty ambitions this game has, players just absolutely will not ever be enough to fill in all the gaps

AI are going to be pretty necessary for that

[urban flax]

Current evrima dryo AI is smarter than a lot of players

[limber hull]

it

really is not

that's just a lie

[flat crypt]

if the game was on a smaller scale, with a much smaller roster and a smaller map then I could agree

[limber hull]

dryo AI is so fucking stupid

its actually sad

ive never seen a player reach that level of stupid

[flat crypt]

depends, I've chased some annoyingly crafty dryo AI. And I've also seen some fling themselves into rivers to await doom

[limber hull]

ive seen every dryo AI do the exact same thing

run in a straight line, jump up and down, stand still for you to catch up, repeat till death

No dodge. No dukes. No turns.

[flat crypt]

I do think dryo AI could do with some better logic in terms of how they handle water, but away from rivers they can't launch themselves into I think they handle quite well

they dodge all the time?

[limber hull]

They handle like fools

[flat crypt]

I think you've just run into some terrible AI

[limber hull]

Never seen a dryo AI dodge

[flat crypt]

they dodge me constantly 😩 it almost feels like they use dodge more when I'm a juvie in fact

[limber hull]

I have 250+ hours on EVRIMA. not seen a single AI that dodges

It runs in a straight line

Broadcasts so you can hunt it easily

Stands still so you can catch up

dies

[flat crypt]

I think you've been particularly unfortunate, because I can say quite confidently I've seen plenty of AI that dodge

[limber hull]

Do you have like some kind of magic AI that transcends its own stupidity

[flat crypt]

apparently

[limber hull]

Incredible

[hasty dagger]

Dryo has a better chance running away than using dodge anyways

[limber hull]

So now I have proof that AI isn't even consistently smart. So, if my server is apparently cursed with dumb AI, god rest the soon to be added teno and utah AI

also the dryo behaviour would work perfectly if it was, say, a goat

since goats are dumb and you have zero expectations of "optimal player goat strats"

[flat crypt]

Worth noting that apparently the current dryo AI isn't the one amarok has been specifically working on for it? I recall seeing that being a conversation

[limber hull]

you see a goat, you know the goat is dumb

im happy with that

i see a dryo, i expect some level of chase involved

[flat crypt]

I've honestly been pretty satisfied with most of the dryo AI I've encountered. I'm usually able to catch them in the end, but it might take a moment of chasing back and forth to get them, unless I manage to get lucky and sneak close

the whole water thing is probably my main gripe with them

[barren zephyr]

except goats are not stupid

[limber hull]

okay but they don't really have much to defend themselves outside of running

[barren zephyr]

Goats headbutt.

even those without horns

[limber hull]

then let them do that to little dinos idk

unlike dinosaurs, you don't need to give them 5 unique abilities and 20 unique interactions

[barren zephyr]

Also about the whole "ai dryo cant dodge thing"; it probably will be able to in the future.

[flat crypt]

it literally does already

[barren zephyr]

oh

[flat crypt]

I've probably hunted a couple of dryo that never used their dodge, but the majority I've hunted do

[paper oriole]

Upvoting your own suggestion

But it would be fair to punish morons biting the thagomizers by reflecting the damage back onto them, and the harder their bite is the more they hurt themselves

[hasty dagger]

Ark Kentro killing gigas with recoil

[paper oriole]

Ok that would be hilarious lol

But jokes aside the kentro would get oneshot and the giga would just suffer one headshot damage and walk it off

[flat crypt]

mate, that suggestion's just gonna make spawn killing and cannibalism worse you realise?

[honest sparrow]

That’s just gonna make targeting and mixpacking easier

[paper oriole]

Sniff to directly highlight victims

[honest sparrow]

@paper oriole has he upvoted his own suggestion

[flat crypt]

as it is sniffing already makes stealth difficult at times. you can work around it with wallowing and crouching at the very least. But being able to see the names and thus direct positions of other players just with a sniff? no

literally just gonna make the issues you described worse

[paper oriole]

I dont think he has so i can not attack him

[flat crypt]

hackers won't even need to hack anymore, you've put the exploit right into the game for them!

[honest sparrow]

Imagine if I, as a deino, held q, and then all the juvis that were hiding from me had a big “dinner here” sign strapped to their forehead

And it had neon lights and everything

[karmic plank]

Yeah, good point. I obviously don't think that way

ahma delete that, stupid idea

[paper oriole]

As a toxic kfser i'd love for the game to show me where people are hiding if i just hold sniff for 2 seconds

[honest sparrow]

All good, glad we could help (even if we are rude)

[honest sparrow]

Old 1 call system

[karmic plank]

In my mind they had to be visible and obvious before you can identify them

but how the game would work that out is anybodies guess

[paper oriole]

Ooh ooh this guy did it

Upvoting your own suggestion

[urban flax]

You like it when people do it, don't you ?

[honest sparrow]

Dino caps my hated

[paper oriole]

I gotta rack up my collection

Imagine wanting hard caps to control what people play instead of using game mechanics for population control

[urban flax]

Well scroll up a little bit in general feedback

[karmic plank]

even better when they add their own meme reactions

[honest sparrow]

Is it a fine addition?

[paper oriole]

Hard restrictions are lazy and lame when there can be alternative

[paper oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/addition-to-mycollection-more-collection-gif-14095863

[karmic plank]

Agree completely, the aim of any survival sandbox should not be to restrict players, but to encourage

or equip them to manage their experience themselves

[honest sparrow]

yes

[karmic plank]

it's why even though I hate how the current Deino meta in NA - at no point would I suggest adding moderator enforced rules

[paper oriole]

Apexes should be hard to get to adult, their populations should be kept in check by them starving because theyre dumb, attacking the wrong targets and dying because they're dumb or getting munched on because they're dumb

[karmic plank]

I just want to have the information available to me, and the space, to be able to "win" and survive

[paper oriole]

Plus the time for growth adding all the more chances to fuck up

[honest sparrow]

The only admin enforced rules I would like to see are the restriction of mix packing and overpacking for officials, just like the old days really

[paper oriole]

Im not holding out hopes for diets to stop mix/megapacking so that one makes sense if it cant be controlled by game mechanics

[karmic plank]

I've died a bunch of times at 70-90% by being ambushed by other deinos when chilling out, or right after logging on, or just by a hitsquad cruising the river... it feels like unless you are super paranoid and have known friends around the chances of hitting 100% are slim to none

even way up in arch river is still not safe

a few weeks back it felt easy

but this week... idk

[paper oriole]

Deinos are overpopulated rn, that is the main issue

Only a part of the map open and too many deinos due to small roster

[karmic plank]

I get why some people do it too - nobody wants an unknown adult hanging around when they are trying to raise their friends

plus food stress in mid

[honest sparrow]

Deinos are everywhere, so everyone wants to be a deino, since deino is the only food source all the deinos eat deinos, then some deinos want revenge, some are kill squads, some just want to get by, and then it devolves

[paper oriole]

So a lot of the cannibal issues will sort themselves out in due time

[karmic plank]

to be clear, I have no issue with cannibalism per-sae - deino especially were known to cannib eachother

but atm people are killing for fun or fear

[honest sparrow]

I mean killing is the only real source of fun in game currently

For me anyway

[paper oriole]

They always kill their own

[honest sparrow]

Goddamit

[paper oriole]

Doesn't matter if they're hungry

[honest sparrow]

They always kill their own

[karmic plank]

I get that too @honest sparrow , I get that way raising herbis

and ptera, usually end up going carno or utah hunting for something to do, even though I have all the fish you could ever want

[honest sparrow]

Current fishing is just herbi gameplay with extra steps, diving when

[karmic plank]

deino have a lot less freedom of movement though, you can't help but share space with others

[honest sparrow]

Yeah

Hopefully more bodies of water, more semi aquatic playables, and stuff that actually limits deino populations helps ease the congestion

[karmic plank]

I don't like punishing people for cannibalism - if a carno kills one of your utah pack, you going to just leave it there to feed more carnos? Hell no, gonna eat that up

just wish we could identify people better

[honest sparrow]

Skin system will probably help with that

That and generally different people like to do different things

[karmic plank]

in AU for a while we had a really cool deino community going, most people knew most people, you were expected to type and identify, and a couple of good deinos kind of acted as patriarch/matriarch over the spawn areas

[flat crypt]

yeah skin system will be very handy for identification and keeping track of who's who

[karmic plank]

How would people think about a mechanic that lets you bury food for later, like canines do? You take down a teno as a little utah pack, instead of eating your fill then running off, or hanging around for it to despawn 45min later... you could bury it and have say 24 hours where you could come back and dig it back up

It seems a bit silly but idk

[primal jewel]

Yess I was part of the Deino community, everyone knew each other it was pretty cool.

[urban flax]

@rocky aspen Nobody talked about removing big creatures from the game

[rocky aspen]

I didn’t say that.

[urban flax]

"completely section them off"

[rocky aspen]

Are you ok?

[urban flax]

Your suggestion implies that devs intend on removing big creatures from the game or making them unable to meet small ones, but nobody ever said that in the dev team
The fact large creatures might not be playable in one of the planned gamemodes doesn't mean they will be completely split from the rest of the roster

[pure fossil]

You are sure you quoted the right dude?

[urban flax]

Seems they deleted it

[pure fossil]

Lmao

[urban flax]

Or I totally messed up

[flat crypt]

nah you're right, there was one there

[solar peak]

@desert tendon thank you for doing such a nice clean up, I hope there will be less ppl asking about it rn

[desert tendon]

Np m8

[urban flax]

Yes, finally someone that doesn't get crazy with assumptions over two messages from Kissen

[pulsar lake]

Isle devs in a nutshell

Breaking community's mind

Then making their own assumptions because they are not clear

[ashen wasp]

Caching system is up there for mechanics I really want

[urban flax]

@potent sparrow There are already clouds
But no aerial creature could realistically fly high enough to hide in clouds

[potent sparrow]

what about on foggy days

[urban flax]

That's a different thing

[potent sparrow]

i'unno was just a thought lmao

[karmic plank]

Storms will probably get added at some point, and hiding in the clouds maybe... but nobody looks that high up anyway

[potent sparrow]

ehh true.
was mostly for hiding from other flying creatures

[tawny juniper]

this isn't a suggestion at all

[storm flower]

exactly

it’s getting annoying.

[tawny juniper]

It doesn't help clear up any confusion it's just obnoxious

and as far as I'm aware they're completely wrong

[potent sparrow]

meh they just tryin to help

[tawny juniper]

when they finish evrima it's not going to dissapear lol

[odd sedge]

It's probably going to be a game mode you can select for your server.
Depending on which roster you want to have present

[tawny juniper]

Still though it isn't going to just poof out of existence

[limber hull]

they also deleted the "humans this year" comment

they could be deleting them due to them being unsubstantiated or the devs don't want them to be confirmed yet. Either way, there's a theme

[odd sedge]

I wouldn't say you should remove the alt bite, because else Deinos would be vulnerable to ass riders, but it should cost stam

[urban flax]

What's the deal with people wanting Deino to be rock simulator now ? Can't run, can't turn

@steep warren Would be better if this was triggered by... actually shooting with the flare gun
You know, like in every FPS
Equip weapon -> Shoot

[honest sparrow]

Upvoted your own suggestion

[urban flax]

That's miragaia's line

[steep warren]

What do u mean by this?

[honest sparrow]

They’re not here so I did the responsible thing, and did it anyway

[digital belfry]

i always downvote his stuff without reading to balance his own vote :x

[urban flax]

In most (if not every) FPS You have a list of weapons
When you need to use one, you equip it, then you use it

[steep warren]

@digital belfry Thats cold

[honest sparrow]

Basically, like every other piece of equipment you should have to find a flare gun, and to use it you would have to shoot it, not just press 5

[steep warren]

And I took away my own suggestion

[steep warren]

ye thats what i meant but I didnt say that

[digital belfry]

same same

[urban flax]

Also the 1,2,3,4, and 5 keys might probably have other uses than calls for mercs

[steep warren]

oof il go write it down now

[limber hull]

yea, feeling like this stuff needs to have an actual flaregun item that you equip rather than a keybind

oh also if mercs get calls... please tell me troodon can react accordingly

[hoary dawn]

i imagine the number keys would function as weapon slot keys

[honest sparrow]

Tf2

[urban flax]

That'd be the most intuitive

Or they could get a weapons wheel

[hoary dawn]

possibly

tho i do hope the amount of weapons a single merc can carry is pretty low

[limber hull]

oh, that makes way more sense than my idea

i'd say maybe one rifle, one sidearm and a knife

[steep warren]

i would think they could find backpacks ect to store stuff in for more storage on the move so pretty much ye

[hoary dawn]

yea

[limber hull]

by rifle i mean any "big" weapon. Shotguns, rifles and the like

[urban flax]

Or you get an inventory ala Resident Evil, where each weapon takes some amount of inventory space and you can assign a slot to each of them

[hoary dawn]

have 1 or 2 weapons they can holster and pull out quickly and then store another 1 or 2 in a backpack they have to open a menu to equip

[urban flax]

If I was stuck on a dinosaur island I'd rather take a handful of small guns that are easy to pull out and fire rather than a big rifle

[limber hull]

perhaps, but maybe not an inv as big as RE. RE is designed as a solo player game, Isle has teammates

[steep warren]

Kinda like this were big guns take up lots a room small things not so much?

[urban flax]

Of course it wouldn't be as big

[urban flax]

Yeah, exactly

[steep warren]

K

[urban flax]

This is RE8's inventory

[limber hull]

yea exactly

i dont think mercs need THAT many guns 😛

[urban flax]

Yeah, just keep one quarter of that inventory and it's fine
And readjust weapon sizes to make sense...
Because revolver taking almost as much space as a grenade launcher xD

[limber hull]

i hope they keep mercs as underpowered as possible tbh

[urban flax]

I hope they make them at least somewhat enjoyable

Though I probably will never play them once tribals are out

[pulsar lake]

For Deinosuchus, know that this thing is supposed to not even be able to high walk kek

Scaly, talk now

[pulsar lake]

Wow

that kinda

doomer tbf

Fair I guess.

[barren zephyr]

I agree tbh

[wide scroll]

i put this in the wrong chat

its in the regular feedback

[tender latch]

@white rune Probably one of the best feedbacks I've ever seen because it's extremely bold but brave and necessary to say

[karmic plank]

I really don't think deinos need a nerf, the only balancing they need is around map tweaks

availability of shallow water and all that

[tender latch]

+Instant respect to you

[barren zephyr]

It was a hard thing to say. But it’s the truth. The truth needs to be told.

[tender latch]

I just met this guy and he's easily within the top 100 people I know

[karmic plank]

The Isle has a funny community following

[tender latch]

A true hero

[barren zephyr]

Plus joker pfp

[karmic plank]

I don't think the dev team really realises just how invested half the people are

take that one guy who was really wanting to get the run/flap animation for the ptera removed

[barren zephyr]

You may get into an argument

Just saying

There’s people on here that defend the devs for no reason

[karmic plank]

Well... there are reasons, even if they aren't logical - The Isle has the potential to get right what no other game has yet managed in more than one way

Asymmetrical PVP survival horror game with dinosaurs?

It's nuts

there's been half a dozen failed attempts by big studios

[barren zephyr]

Yes, the idea is great,but as of now it’s proposed horribly

[night sand]

Ye

[barren zephyr]

we’re just waiting for a game

The isle is literally more of a waiting game than a actual game

[tender latch]

The dinosaur game genre is cursed

[night sand]

I can’t even play, the optimization is terrible and I get 8fps and constant sound cutting

[karmic plank]

it runs great for me, apart from the fps drops near other players

[night sand]

Yea, but it doesn’t run great for everyone

[barren zephyr]

and then we have Kissen coming into the chat saying smalls won’t be in the same game mode with mids and apexes…..?? What???

roster splitting is a horrible idea

[night sand]

Correct

[tender latch]

The development and the downward spiral of The Isle is worse than the gameplay and in-game problems

[karmic plank]

I don't agree at all with calling it a downward spiral, I think it's better than it's ever been

[tender latch]

Also, yes, to me, I do define The Isle as being in a downward spiral

But whatevs

[barren zephyr]

well, it’s the isle so

[karmic plank]

and this is coming from someone who played back when legacy had 8 dinos

[barren zephyr]

We don’t talk about that dumpster fire anymore

[tender latch]

EVRIMA is still The Isle so it isn't any better than legacy

[barren zephyr]

I think I literally played on legacy just for theri and giga

[karmic plank]

I had assumed The Isle would go the way of Ark... get a bunch of payed DLC and eventually just fade away

the choice to go back and recode from the ground up was a pretty ballsy move

I don't agree with a lot of the choices made

but i respect it

[barren zephyr]

The recode was necessary indeed

I’m very happy the combat isn’t just assriding anymore

[karmic plank]

I guess I've played a lot of failed survival games and my takeaway is usually... it's almost impossible to make everyone happy

[tender latch]

No matter where The Isle went it would simply never live up to the Rodrigo Vega concept arts from 2014, which depicted a feeling I couldn't even describe, so I see The Isle as kind of just... a hopeless... thing

[karmic plank]

Look at say, Rust - I loved it back in the early days, but I hate it now

[barren zephyr]

Those concepts were amazing

[karmic plank]

but it's way more successful

[tender latch]

The Rodrigo Vega concept arts were The Isle

This is not The Isle

[barren zephyr]

Rust used to be amazing. people still play it though even if I hate it

[barren zephyr]

It’s a shame too

those concepts brought a game that has never been thought of before

[tender latch]

Honestly I'd like it more if they changed the name of The Isle to something else because it's not and never will be what it was meant to be

I don't really understand why the devs are still working on the game, honestly
It's a lost cause

[barren zephyr]

Sure, the isle is going toward in success. but. We literally have to count on them to make the isle good. And it’s impossible when they want to do roster splitting and shit like that.

[karmic plank]

For me, while I think there is a long way to go, I really feel optimistic. I think the devs are pretty dedicated to it, and I feel like they are willing to redo things if they don't work out.

[tender latch]

I'd rather the game die in peace than the devs just digging a deeper hole which they've been doing for two years now

[karmic plank]

That is a rare thing in the Early Access world, and people want to support that

[barren zephyr]

I and many other people REALLY want the isle to be successful. but it’s hard when they don’t even listen to the community in the first half.

[karmic plank]

I can see why people are kind of fed up with waiting, and expecting more - it's been out for over 5 years now, I got it early 2016

[barren zephyr]

they just come up with these ideas that have no meaning to the game

[tender latch]

Yeah

It's so ironic how the EVRIMA trailer was called "Hope"

[barren zephyr]

more like doubt

[tender latch]

The Isle's development has been a sad story tbh

I'm just waiting for the slowdown of the downwards spiral to become easier for people to see

[karmic plank]

Well, that's a pretty pessimistic outlook, like I said I see it more like they slipped and fell backwards, but are still climbing upwards

as long as they don't run out of money it will get there eventually, I hope

[barren zephyr]

it’s like they’re climbing. but they keep slipping and falling off then getting back up.

[silent current]

Bababoy halal suggestion

finally someone had the balls to say it

[barren zephyr]

Roster splitting is the dumbest idea. Period.

[karmic plank]

on topic though I think some more care and attention is needed for roadmaps and community engagement

[hoary dawn]

you just talked in the isle discord . . . 🚩

[barren zephyr]

shut up gwt

[silent current]

^

[hoary dawn]

hi

[barren zephyr]

hi

[tender latch]

hi

[barren zephyr]

:)))

[tender latch]

fucking idiot

[barren zephyr]

thanks

[tender latch]

theres a mod
run

[icy lion]

if the 3 of you keep derailing this chat like you do every day ill just hand out mutes

[hoary dawn]

also you dont need balls to say you're not interested in a game's development anymore

[silent current]

ok gwt

[barren zephyr]

...

[tender latch]

Can we all (or mostly) agree that Rodrigo Vega's Isle is better than Afterthought's Isle?

[barren zephyr]

yeah the isle has problems.

He didn’t say he wasn’t interested. He’s worried about the game’s development and kissen explaining the roster split situation. It’s literally just putting more work on a game that’s going to take 4+ years to finish with more than a handful of playables

[tender latch]

Plus the lack of communication and stuff

[silent current]

even though I dislike the isle I still have a bit of hope that I'll get to play giga and other cool stuff someday, I dont need to admit anything but ok

[barren zephyr]

Well it explored some different concepts from what we have now. And the current iteration of the game does not seem to exactly exploit its rights to primal carnage particularly well.

[tender latch]

And, dare I say it, incompetence of the team

[hoary dawn]

i agree with that part, kissen says a lot of weird stuff

[barren zephyr]

You dislike the isle because it’s not what the isle should be

it’s just

Yeah.

it’s a game

[silent current]

its a game mode apparently

[barren zephyr]

the need for a large roster is arguably stupid.

but where’s the game??

[silent current]

right?

[barren zephyr]

Right now the isle is just a battle royale. But you have to grow to at least have a chance

[tender latch]

Although it's on Steam and you can open it and use it, I wouldn't call The Isle a "game"
It's just a... thing

[barren zephyr]

even though community server owners can manage what things are playable and what things are not, its still very stupid having one "cinematic mode" and then another mode most people actually flock to cos it has the cooler dinos.

[tender latch]

2014/R.V. Isle was more of a game than this is

And it was only drawings

[pulsar lake]

a small roster isn't the problem, nore is a large roster if you already have an idea of what you want to do.
but a roster of only small is kinda a problem, and doing that with each size ranges will end up in a game that cannot be balanced if you want most of the playables all together except if you give the possibility to server owners to set their stats apart, which can only be done with a dev kit and so mods.

[tender latch]

Lesson: There can't be a good dinosaur game

[pulsar lake]

PK

[tender latch]

PK is a joke lmfao

[pulsar lake]

the messiah

what

PK is like the best out there

[tender latch]

Not even saying my thoughts on PK right now

[pulsar lake]

but it is a park game

I'd like to see

ngl

[barren zephyr]

it clearly never has been achieved. Corporate tampering, manipulating lead devs running away with cash or simply constant shortcomings is why most dinosaur games have never worked.

[tender latch]

See what

[pulsar lake]

your opinion on PK kekw

[tender latch]

Yeahhhh no

[pulsar lake]

as a park game, it feels good and has a great potential

[tender latch]

I try not to unleash the fury of several people simultaneously

[night sand]

Pk is great

[barren zephyr]

Can’t wait for PK to become the best dinosaur game

[karmic plank]

You gotta remember, The Isle is a survival sandbox, not Battlefield: Jurassic

[pulsar lake]

playable dinosaur mod in PK

[barren zephyr]

Actually

[karmic plank]

like, don't get me wrong, a dino version of Battlefield or CoD Warzone would be fcking sick

[tender latch]

If Bababoy's feedback doesn't somehow get supernaturally pinned in 5 minutes I'm gonna lose it

[tender latch]

primal cornage

[karmic plank]

yeah played that, was a giant disappointment

[barren zephyr]

because animal survival games constantly dont really work, I don't really see the point in them being developed. Not a winning formula whatsoever.

[karmic plank]

so buggy

[tender latch]

Well actually PC:E isn't a dino version of either of those games
It's more like a dino version of TF2 or CS:GO

[karmic plank]

OK OK OK so here's the thing... survival games DO work (lol minecraft), but they don't hold your hand to make fun

[barren zephyr]

speaking of Valve games, why cant Valve just fucking buy the rights to Dino D Day and make some sequel, possibly tying in with the TF2 universe.

[karmic plank]

you gotta make your OWN fun

and tbh most nights since I installed evrima I've had an absolute ball

yeah been frustrating, and yeah been some things that made me mad, but that's just part of it

like deciding to spend 5 hours in the swamp growing a stego

[barren zephyr]

How did that go

[honest sparrow]

I’d really fucking enjoy that but it will never happen

[tender latch]

I've strayed away from the survival genre over the last year and probably will forever
There's just not one good survival game I can name (Good = being one that I personally like)

[karmic plank]

I 100% understand why all stegos are psychotic

good lord

[barren zephyr]

Yes, since valve are barely game devs at this point

[tender latch]

The concept of Dino D-Day is too memey and outrageous for me lol

[barren zephyr]

They have a literal monopoly to themselves due to the fact that they created and own steam.

[karmic plank]

the major issue for The Isle, which idk how tf they will fix, is: How do you make prey animals fun to play?