general-feedback-discussion

[buoyant oasis]

What

[manic flint]

People say feathered dinos aren't scary
I very much disagree

[hasty dagger]

I mean, we have another animal covered in spikes that can do the same thing Edmontonia can, shoulder charges and all

[buoyant oasis]

Disagree heavily

[manic flint]

So excited for kentro

[vast wolf]

but edmontonia is like allo sized.

[manic flint]

True

[buoyant oasis]

It’s be a fun thing to play

[vast wolf]

and kentro cant really charge with those spikes.

[manic flint]

Kentro is smol

[vast wolf]

1.2 ton kentro vs 3 ton + edmontonia

[buoyant oasis]

Imagine skulls being stuck on those spines without despawning

Edgy kentro

[manic flint]

Thespian are backwards, they are basically utah pounce counters

[cosmic trellis]

that one guy from the good dinosaur but with a body count

[buoyant oasis]

Loool

[vast wolf]

kentros spikes are mostly defensive, edmontonias are more offensive.

[buoyant oasis]

Imagine if protoceratops could climb trees

[cosmic trellis]

that would be golden

[vast wolf]

think of it like a 3 ton tortoise covered in large spikes running at you full tilt.

[manic flint]

Yes

[vast wolf]

theres a lot of ideas floating about for proto

[buoyant oasis]

And don’t tell me proto can’t climb because it’s not designed for it

[vast wolf]

wombat proto and goat proto are popular

[buoyant oasis]

Ever heard of goats?

[cosmic trellis]

proto chameleon camo would be pretty neat imo

seems fitting

[buoyant oasis]

Imagine beipi with the play style of a goose

Peace was never an option

[vast wolf]

beipi is basically a goose with claws

[cosmic trellis]

beipi will delete some names off the isle's census

[buoyant oasis]

Imagine if gallis wondered into nests, picked up an egg and drop kicked the hatchlings and ran away

I want that

[hybrid matrix]

swan

[swift dew]

penguin

[buoyant oasis]

Herra seems like it’d have some cool gameplay

[cosmic trellis]

agreemint

[buoyant oasis]

Hypsis in trees with run it a merry chase

[cosmic trellis]

id play hypsie even more when it climbs trees

[buoyant oasis]

I imagine dilo venom is more hallucinating and troodon is stamina reducing based off the concepts

[cosmic trellis]

ye that teno be looking real tired

[buoyant oasis]

Maybe sick too

[cosmic trellis]

yeah i saw it foaming er something too

[buoyant oasis]

Yeah

I kinda wish the old bleed but the new one is ok too

[cosmic trellis]

y'know what would be cool

[buoyant oasis]

Go on

[cosmic trellis]

if you get high enough from dilo venom a fake apex sprints outta the trees

[buoyant oasis]

Scariest stuff ever

Or imagine after healing after a fight you could hear loud apex foot steps rapidly running after you

[cosmic trellis]

aw heck ye

or the dilo footsteps sound bigger

[buoyant oasis]

Y’know when you’re on legacy and get ambushed by an Acro?

[cosmic trellis]

heart attack simulator

[buoyant oasis]

You don’t know what it is a first because it’s the apex footsteps at a crazy speed

[cosmic trellis]

oh riiiiight

ye

[buoyant oasis]

Hearing a dilo 1 call from a distance and others answering all around you is creepy as hell

[cosmic trellis]

some dilos play like that

they do it to disorient their prey

[buoyant oasis]

Being a dilo main, usually the bleed sets in panic

[cosmic trellis]

and that shiz WORKS

[buoyant oasis]

So then the prey acts more erratic and less think and more do

On the servers I play on, some Utah’s run away after being bit

Most fight back

“I fear no man, but 3 bleed drops? It scares me”

But yeah, outside of troodon and dilo we don’t need more venomous dinos

[cosmic trellis]

megalania

[zealous violet]

@swift dew @lapis tree Im curious why youve both disagree with both my thoughts on the general-feedback channel.
Not here to fight or anything! Just genuinely curious if perhaps there was something I wasnt thinking about that pertains to the game with them.

I do that a lot haha. I'll blast ideas and not really think about them ^^u

[paper oriole]

I think an involuntary cry out may screw some small predators over

[buoyant oasis]

I don’t especially like megalainias design atm, the body is fine but the face is a bit off, it’s only a concept though

[zealous violet]

Thats fair, but we had them in legacy and it never bothered anyone (That I know about) They are quiet enough that they were never heard from far away

[cosmic trellis]

im thinkin

maybe it should be in the sense of its the sound for when you're outta breath er somethin

so its not so loud

[zealous violet]

yeah! Like nothing loud, it would be way quiet. I guess I did make it sound like it would be loud. perhaps I should go back and edit that?

[buoyant oasis]

What were you suggesting feral?

I haven’t seen

[paper oriole]

If a player is already making noise while they die though it would be cool if it would get cut off like ack or gargle off, depending on the status at their death

[buoyant oasis]

Yes

[cosmic trellis]

yeah like a different noise

[paper oriole]

Would be pretty eerie to hear something gargling as they died with beavy bleed

[cosmic trellis]

same volume but different kinda sound, not one that echoes out

[paper oriole]

Like they were coughing it up

[zealous violet]

oh, I placed it in the general-feedback channel. It was about having a noise or sound-volization when you die and then below was about reginal damage to joints for mercs/tribals weapons to dinos.

[buoyant oasis]

Like when you hear something spamming 4 and it stops

[cosmic trellis]

oh ye that'd really add to the horror aspect

[buoyant oasis]

Sounds cool

[cosmic trellis]

its a good idea ngl

[paper oriole]

Imagine some cocky ass dino broadcasting at an anky and it just gets cut off with an oof and a thwack

[cosmic trellis]

miragaia has achieved peak comedy scenario

[zealous violet]

Right! thats what im going for. Not loud like a 1 call. But something thats different from the rest of the calls that your like 'oh crap I just died' or something if your not paying attention

[buoyant oasis]

It would be cool if nearby ambient noises were interactive like if a large predator was near the crickets would go silent

[paper oriole]

An allo like “RAAAAA-qwff”

[zealous violet]

But see, we can already cut off our 1 calls if we attack so it would be something a bit different

[cosmic trellis]

even better, but only if the pred makes noise

[zealous violet]

ill go edit it.

[buoyant oasis]

Yeah

Or if it makes a ruckus moving around

[cosmic trellis]

like any call would make things quiet, but not for herbs

[buoyant oasis]

Yeah

[cosmic trellis]

that part would just give them away tho

[buoyant oasis]

Imagine if you could hear sticks crack or see trees fall

Yeah

[cosmic trellis]

yeah that makes sense

[zealous violet]

oh man, imagine if the terrain had a random twig snap randomly? Like, your in the forest and its randomized with how many steps your taking or maybe location wise? But a loud as random twig snap would be terrifying!

[buoyant oasis]

It would just be cool if the area was more interactive

It would be

[zealous violet]

XD oh ya beat me to it Henree. lol

[cosmic trellis]

bruh add that to the ambience and that shiz would scare the hell outta me

[swift dew]

well that isnt a broadcast that gets cut off like you had said

[zealous violet]

Especially at night 0-0

[buoyant oasis]

Imagine this

You’re a little juvi in a forest

[zealous violet]

Right, right. I went back and edited the post but I left the original content in just in case people still wanted to read it.

[buoyant oasis]

You can’t see much but you start to hear branches crack

And when it gets closer you can hear it stomp about and get louder and louder

[cosmic trellis]

its a hypsie that walks up to you and says it is Wednesday mAh doods

[zealous violet]

XD

[buoyant oasis]

The isle has sooo much horror and tense potential

XD

[cosmic trellis]

it does, and i really want ferals idea to make it

it seems like a fitting one for the element the game is going for

[zealous violet]

lol right! But for whatever reason the devs think that night time and darkness is what make things scary! They have no idea. XD
The best horror is done in broad daylight.

[cosmic trellis]

yeah, day is a little overlooked when it comes to the horror aspect

[buoyant oasis]

Imagine if you’re near a human camp and you hear guns shooting and screaming and then silence, and then a rex calls from it

Spoopy

[zealous violet]

Thats scary. Id nope outta there so fast

[cosmic trellis]

then that shiz happens again like twice until you hear stomping nearby in the trees

[zealous violet]

or better yet, not even a roar but that kinda loud grumbling thing they do. ya know in movies when they show the person crouched behind something and then the giant teeth of the dino and that low, blood curdling grumble like eeeeeek

[buoyant oasis]

Yeah

[cosmic trellis]

clever wahmin

[zealous violet]

But only when it gets close! If you can hear it you know your f*cked!

[buoyant oasis]

Since compys are gonna be scavengers, it’d be cool if they had a slightly septic bite

[cosmic trellis]

yeah but that would add to the noisy sitting issue

people keep getting found out because of it and would hinder ambush attacks

[zealous violet]

will compys be playable? I heard that they wont and im sad about that.

[cosmic trellis]

would be kinda cool ngl, so they weren't completely defenseless

and i hope they will be it would be fun XD

[buoyant oasis]

I feel like you should only be able to hear something breathe if it’s running, low on stam or if your within centimetres of it

[cosmic trellis]

other than that last part, i agree

[zealous violet]

I think they did something to the gasping noise tho. It used to only start when you got low on stam but now the dinos start gasping and wheezing like halfway through their stam drain.

[buoyant oasis]

Odd

[cosmic trellis]

so basically me when i try to run for 15 secs

[zealous violet]

Big same ^^u

[buoyant oasis]

I guess it’s to do with the oxygen levels in today’s world, in the Mesozoic they were a lot higher

[zealous violet]

wait for the dinos or for us?

[buoyant oasis]

The dinos

[cosmic trellis]

well the Isle takes place in today's world so on that logic i guess it could make sense unless something is wrong

[zealous violet]

true.. but if its not something thats widely known by the general isle populace it really should be implemented in last with a small explanation. otherwise people like me who didnt even consider that will just be irritated cuz their dinos are wheezing with every step.

[cosmic trellis]

makes sense

[zealous violet]

I feel like an old lady wanting to 'set these young kids (the devs) straight!' XD

[tawny juniper]

what

[zealous violet]

Howdy, welcome to the chaos X3

[tawny juniper]

What chaos

[zealous violet]

uh.... okay ya got me.

its a little dead in here ^^u

[cosmic trellis]

yeeis

brb gonna go get milk

[zealous violet]

lol

[steep warren]

@grim oak I think this would be good but for somthing like minmi

[paper oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

Lowkey want beipi to belly slide on slopes like a penguin but it will probably remain only in my dreams

[steep warren]

But yes

[sonic mural]

@strange wave what in gods name is that💀

[strange wave]

god

[swift dew]

if I had to guess

disney

[strange wave]

i wasted my 6 hour slowmode on that

[swift dew]

yes

[sonic mural]

[swift dew]

yes you did

[hasty dagger]

Fuck you bork

[strange wave]

[valid elk]

[swift dew]

man, that was 3 shit suggestions in 3 minutes (no offense)

though herra's is probably more of a troll

[undone saddle]

Why are you guys disagreeing?

[swift dew]

[analog badger]

We gotta get Herra on the ddev team so we can get that spino

[vale pawn]

im tempted to add on

[icy lion]

id advise against that

[vale pawn]

[strange wave]

@icy lion i dont think dryos post was even a joke

[vale pawn]

i had the perfect one too

[hasty dagger]

yeah Dryo’s was unironically kinda good I was considering checking it

[icy lion]

dryo if it wasnt im sorry bro

but at the moment it seems like it is

[strange wave]

herrera dude says his wasnt either

[swift dew]

yeah

[strange wave]

mine was just casual shitpost that i spent a 6 hour cooldown on

[swift dew]

I doubt that

"dont"

[undone saddle]

It wasn’t Dino Dan was my favorite show lol

[limber hull]

the concept of mercs actively hunting dinos 24/7 for some fucking pelts sounds horrible to play against as an actual dino. All this does is make them less into "save every bullet, avoid engagement, be safe" and more "go in guns blazing so we can add a cool pelt to our cosmetic looks". Completely defeats the purpose of the horror element if you are actively encouraged to gun down dinos rather than evade them

[barren zephyr]

Exactly. Even then trying to gun down a ambushing predator is extremely risky because other carnivores will likely hear it. And will of course travel to the sound. Using your gun is only valuable in a life or death situation. Also a lack of ammunition is risky too. can’t just kos everything because you’ll run out of bullets are just die

[hasty dagger]

Kos other mercs for ammo instead of kosing dinos

ez

[barren zephyr]

Chip.

Go

Vanish

[hasty dagger]

Why

[barren zephyr]

Because you are mean

[hasty dagger]

I’m just being big brained here

[barren zephyr]

Gonna be a lot of merc gang fights for ammo probably

[tawny juniper]

Why would you put leathery animal skin on your gun

[limber hull]

that too

[cosmic trellis]

primal carnage 2

[honest sparrow]

already exists

[limber hull]

exactly my problem, lots of people are looking at mercs like Primal Carnage sims, which they absolutely shouldn't be. Mercs should feel exceptionally cautious of the dinos. If you want the experience of run and gunning a ton of dinos, play PC, if you want the stealth/tactical experience, play the Isle.

[cosmic trellis]

primal carnage 3

[limber hull]

i really want ammo/weapons to be scarce. I much prefer the concept of running from a Rex to a jeep in order to get away before it devours our squad over simply shooting the rex till it dies.

[quaint spruce]

how does one gun them down without bullets tho? and they already said its gonna be a pain in the ass to get some soooo??

[limber hull]

im talking about the pelt idea

i am hoping the ammo is as scarce as they say it will be

[quaint spruce]

i see that but players are probably not gonna do that bc theyll die very easily

[limber hull]

yes, but it's also better not to encourage it at all

[quaint spruce]

im pretty sure there narrative for the mercs is to use wants already on the island to survive and thats it

i just wanna be human to see the perspective of all the dinos

[limber hull]

i just want the cool horror atmosphere

[odd sedge]

The map is already getting reworked.
Why remove shallows when they will be added back for things like Sucho and Bary tho?
Seems like a waste of money

Yeah I get the problem and it shouldn't happen, but I don't think any deino will be starving, just because their prey moves 2 meters further to the shallow stream

[paper oriole]

There are still a lot of deinos they obviously arent suffering from lack of prey

[flat crypt]

People drink from deep water all the time lol

the main issue as icky mentioned is there's no shallow-water predator to encourage herbivores to spread their time more evenly

[safe galleon]

@lost cloak evrima is the "real" game now, legacy is not being updated

[flat crypt]

@lost cloak assuming you're discussing Legacy, it's now defunct. Evrima may be more incomplete but it's technically the "real game" as it's what the developers are focused on

oop

[lost cloak]

OoO

[flat crypt]

plus the coding for both branches is likely drastically different, so it's probably not even feasible to introduce evrima features

at some point legacy is gonna get taken down. Dunno when, but it's basically there for now to keep people happy while they get evrima into a more complete state

I wonder if they'll switch evrima to the main branch and legacy to the secondary branch anytime soon, it feels like it'll be ready enough to do that soon honestly

[lost cloak]

Oh

okay

[safe galleon]

I don't think they're gonna switch, probably just gonna remove legacy so that evrima automatically becomes the main branch

[flat crypt]

depends on whether they're deleting legacy once evrima is mostly feature complete, or mostly roster complete

the main gameplay features are gonna be here way before the roster is fleshed out after all

in which case it'd make sense to just delete legacy rather than ever switch. but if they only want to delete it once a similar-sized roster is in it'd make sense to switch branches once the core gameplay features for evrima are in

[oak tapir]

@willow zealot Like A behavior type thing?

@lost cloak WTF u mean real game?

Legacy isnt real game lmao

Legacy is abandoned

[lost cloak]

Bruh

[oak tapir]

Bruh?

[flat crypt]

read above conversation, it's been explained to them already

[oak tapir]

wdym real game?

Ah ok
Shit im blind xD

[flat crypt]

if someone's not super up to date on development it would be understandable to consider legacy the real game, if incorrect, due to it being the main branch of the game currently ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[oak tapir]

Ye

@strange wave Everybody gangsta till The Quetz starts sounding like a fire arm

I feel like deinocheirus also should have that as 3 call

[odd sedge]

Customizable humans give me huge ark vibes

[barren zephyr]

Ya but it would be nice so that everyone doesn't look exactly the same

[limber hull]

no need to give this much customisation

imo

i really do not care what humans look like tbh, sounds like a hassle and a half

most mercs would probably just be masked soldiers anyways

[barren zephyr]

Ya but not every person looks the same neither do the dinos and they are semi customizable

[limber hull]

so put uniforms with face-obscuring masks or whatever on them

boom

issue fixed

[barren zephyr]

Thats no fun nor semi realistic

[limber hull]

i prefer human gameplay over some silly face changing dinos wont give a toss about

at least with dino customisation they are immediately noticable

humans will likely be in standardised uniforms

no one's walking around dino island in a Hawaiian t-shirt and board shorts

[barren zephyr]

No not that kind of clothing just different styles of the outfits made of hide and leather for tribals and combat gear for mercs

[limber hull]

standard uniforms. Not sure why you'd think there'd be a wide variety when they are likely wearing the same kind of standardised military gear

[tight lantern]

Devs leaked that Mercs will have head presets to select but body-types will be constant for balance purposes and gear will be based off of what one can scavenge for.

[limber hull]

head presets are fine

dont see a need for much more outside of that

[barren zephyr]

Does that include tribals?

[limber hull]

no clue, tribals are a mystery

the ugly fucks will likely get their own customisation

[tight lantern]

Yeah it looks like head presets, preset clothing/equipment, and then any other changes/upgrades to equipment and armor is based off of what can be found or scavenged

[barren zephyr]

Well are you a ray of sunshine grouchy pants

[limber hull]

what

tribals are ugly

[tight lantern]

I don't like the inter-bred looking models. Would hope for more of a Mayan or Sentinel look

[limber hull]

they're supposed to be ugly

i love the ugly look

its awesome

[tight lantern]

or if anything, a Neanderthal look

[limber hull]

makes them really distinct, not some generic as fuck native caricature

[barren zephyr]

Ya but that doesn't mean if the get more customization that you can't make them look at least half ass decent

[limber hull]

nah, they'll probs still look ugly lmao

no matter how you customise

and im fine with that

i like the ugly

actual fucking orc/goblin men

[barren zephyr]

Ark customizations are semi ugly not all of em look bad

[limber hull]

i dont like ark customisation, don't want to see it in the Isle

[barren zephyr]

No i mean preset wise

[tight lantern]

Yeah the Ark customization for humans is trash and cartoonish

[limber hull]

agreed

[barren zephyr]

Ya and dinos for the isle are detailed very well pretty sure the people will be too

[tight lantern]

now, Tribals being like Orcs/Goblins I could potentially be on board with oddly enough lol

[limber hull]

i love the idea of the orc goblin boy

[tight lantern]

Uruk tribals

[limber hull]

lets me get into the unga bunga mindset

[barren zephyr]

Y'all know that lots of girls play the isle right?

[limber hull]

yea

i wonder what girl tribals will look like holy shit

[barren zephyr]

My point i win not every girl wants an ugly character

[limber hull]

true but carno exists

and it is not a pretty dino

[barren zephyr]

And other dinos look pretty too

Carno is kinda savage beauty

[limber hull]

issue is that they confirmed tribal will just be this ugly fuck orc bastard

[barren zephyr]

Soo we just need to bring this suggestion to the forefront and bring it in another direction

[limber hull]

idk i still like the idea of ugly tribal

[tight lantern]

Female tribals be like lol

[odd sedge]

What kind of argument is that?

[barren zephyr]

I dont want my tribal to look ugly some other girls might not either why would everyone want to be an ugly character?

[tight lantern]

Also, these 9ft Cannibals are terrifying and I fear the future cave biomes

[limber hull]

caves seem fun

i want in

[odd sedge]

Well if you don't want to play an ugly creature, maybe don't play as an inbred-looking alien human with lizard legs

[barren zephyr]

Are cannibals gonna be ai?

[limber hull]

probably not lmao

[barren zephyr]

So then if not have a pretty character go from pretty if they become cannibals then have them physically deteriorate

[odd sedge]

[barren zephyr]

To where they get uuuugallyyyy

[limber hull]

hes beautiful in his own way

[barren zephyr]

Like the picture but have slow deterioration with hair falling out and a standing still sharping teeth and staggering walk basically going mad kind of thing

[odd sedge]

Fashion icon

[barren zephyr]

Is cannibals gonna be on the people roster?

Because if not i want to see the development into a cannibal instead of first eaten human poof ya look like a deformed cannibal pretty sure rl cannibals look like normal people unless they eat brains then they go mad

[compact hare]

Idk they play a "horror" game with gore (and now shit) Beauty is something being looked for everyone but we'll have to deal with their ugly faces

At least I cant see a way to make them look beautiful

[barren zephyr]

Yay someone is on my side finally

[compact hare]

Im fine with an ugly character, bring a girl

Im going to kill everything as tribal or cannibal anyways lel

[barren zephyr]

Ya but if you go cannibal do you want to just poof and be ugly or see the transition to the ugly

Girl tribals should be semi pretty cuz they're girls

[limber hull]

idk

i dont think they care too much

they seem kinda primal

their definition of beauty is wildly different

[barren zephyr]

Ya but that is why the customizations is a wanted thing

Because it would bring diversity to the game

[compact hare]

Oh I want to see the transition to the ugly, thats better for the ganeplay

[barren zephyr]

My earlier point was

Because if not i want to see the development into a cannibal instead of first eaten human poof ya look like a deformed cannibal pretty sure rl cannibals look like normal people unless they eat brains then they go mad

Like the picture but have slow deterioration with hair falling out and a standing still sharping teeth and staggering walk basically going mad kind of thing

[tight lantern]

I also wonder if Cannibals (if playable and not just AI) will be blind, and we'll have almost a echo-location type of "sight"

perhaps like a pit-viper with detecting heat

[barren zephyr]

That or be almost completely blind in day light and have excellent night vision

[compact hare]

I swear if they model female mercs and tribals with huge boobs

[barren zephyr]

And bring bounce to either excessive or be realistic?

[compact hare]

Ugh

I want women mercs to be bulk

you look at them and say " W O W "

[barren zephyr]

Like muscular bulk or buff

[compact hare]

As strong as males
but in a woman body

not male body with a woman head but you know what I mean

[barren zephyr]

And have tribals be lean muscled like runner

Ya i got it lol

[limber hull]

well obviously the women would be bulky

not like they'd do much good being slim and slender

they're on fucking dinosaur island

[compact hare]

Thats the point ye

But i hope devs have this same point too

[barren zephyr]

Ya mercs are more confrontation than stealthy like a tribal might be

[flat crypt]

yeah, the last thing we need is something like this for the humans lmao

[compact hare]

LMAO

AAAAA

[flat crypt]

it's a terrible trope and deserves to die, give us the buff ladies we deserve

[limber hull]

id say mercs are stealthier and tribals are more confrontational tbh

[flat crypt]

yeah, I'd expect tribals to rely on physical strength a lot more

[limber hull]

mercs have limited ammo and are out of their element

[flat crypt]

mercs more on gun and teamwork

[limber hull]

tribals run up to dinos and stab them

[barren zephyr]

Not super buff tho like this kinda

[flat crypt]

just like. a normal buff woman. it doesn't need to be anything weird

[barren zephyr]

Is that for mercs or tribal or both?

[flat crypt]

both, though you could probably get more exaggerated with tribals

[barren zephyr]

Muscle wise?

[flat crypt]

yeah

nothing crazy but I'd say it really depends on how exaggerated male tribals are

[barren zephyr]

Ya with you on that although i like the blue dressed tribal

[flat crypt]

I don't think they should really be a that different from male tribals at the end of the day

they're all out here having to survive on an island with dinosaurs

that's gonna do things to your physique

[barren zephyr]

Ya but women may be thinner and stealthier than male mercs or male tribals

[flat crypt]

but why? It's kinda pointless

If I'm playing a female tribal in this game, I wanna look like someone who can stab and wrestle a dino just as well as a male tribal

[barren zephyr]

Because tribals have been on the island far longer

[flat crypt]

it'd further emphasise the gritty survival aspect of the game too

[compact hare]

For both animals and human in this game, I think female or male should be just a visual difference, no stats or something different

[barren zephyr]

Ya but the who builds the defenses for the tribe who defends the camp who hunts for the tribe both can but maybe some dont want to hunt but forage maybe make some tribals thin and stealthy for foragers unlike the hunters

[flat crypt]

these are people surviving on an island with dinosaurs, I really don't think they care about gender roles

you gotta be strong to survive

having different builds cosmetically would be nice but I see no reason why it needs to be sex-specific

have options for lean, buff, whatever builds regardless of what you're playing

[barren zephyr]

Not defining the gender role just build for different play styles

Sorry if it sounded gender role ish

[compact hare]

I've seen people suggesting different mercs, like "doctors", snipers, etc.... I dont think people like this but for me, its a good idea

[barren zephyr]

Sounds good though but doctors aren't buff they may be lean muscled

[flat crypt]

I think it'd be kinda cool tbh. Dinosaurs already sort of have different classes

[compact hare]

oh not doctors, I mean more efficience in healing others whatever

[flat crypt]

Tanks, brawlers, glass cannons etc. It'd be nice to be able to pick specific playstyles as humans too

[barren zephyr]

So tribals have stealth hunter , brute hunters, stealth foragers

[compact hare]

yeye

[barren zephyr]

So both build and play style customizations

Short sweet and to the point

[limber hull]

im not a fan of classes tbh, i feel like the loot you find can define you

not just a pre-determined role

[barren zephyr]

No like how you play your character starts to have the shape of what you do like stealthy hunters are lean but have defined muscles and stealthy foragers are lean fast and good at hiding brute hunters are muscular and strong, people like crafting items get faster at crafting items than others

[limber hull]

perhaps for tribals

for mercs, i see them more as gear-defined rather than genetically defined

[barren zephyr]

Sounds reasonable

Lets bring this to the table for the devs

[tight lantern]

I agree with you here. I could see how the tribals could maybe have classes however, so long as the classes were balanced throughout (ie: have the same height and weight so there's not like a 5'8 hunter and a 6'4 hunter which would mess up hit-boxes). I could see stealth hunter, brute force build, forager, perhaps even an ambusher being a thing for Tribals though, that's a cool idea.

[barren zephyr]

No height can be like 6" for males and 5"8 for females

But why not have their build change to how you play

[limber hull]

i want the stupid shaman bit im planning where we just worship a random guy as our village shaman, claim he can speak to the beasts then watch as he goes forth to speak to a pack of raptors and gets mauled instantly

[tight lantern]

Wenjaaaaaaaa <-- if you know you know

[barren zephyr]

Who in there mind would be sacrificial like that 😂

[limber hull]

im going to gaslight someone into becoming our shaman

[barren zephyr]

That or it can be similar to a taming mechanic

Dude why 🤣

[limber hull]

because its funny

i must have my shaman to guide us

he shall guide the village to a new age

[barren zephyr]

Ya but how would you get someone to do that

Yes everyone dies

[thin ether]

What’s a shaman

[barren zephyr]

Like a chief or leader to a group of people

[limber hull]

a person regarded as having access to, and influence in, the world of good and evil spirits, especially among some peoples of northern Asia and North America. Typically such people enter a trance state during a ritual, and practise divination and healing.

[thin ether]

Oh I thought it was Italian food or something

[barren zephyr]

Wtf🤣

How many games have you played to not hear what a shaman is?

[tight lantern]

WENJA!

[hexed rune]

lmao nice

[tawny juniper]

bought that game for pc twenty minutes ago

Played it on xbox and had vibes

[tight lantern]

It's a fun game. I approve

[barren zephyr]

The women in the game aren't thick and they ain't completely ugly

[broken thorn]

@bronze moat wdym with the combat suggestion? 🤔
Let's discuss that :)

[urban flax]

@rocky aspen Have you tried crouching ?

[rocky aspen]

bruh

You literally cant sit down because its so loud.

[urban flax]

I'm talking about crouching

There is a button for it, and it makes you silent

[bronze moat]

@broken thorn ofc, so essentially I'm talking about how currently combat doesn't look very good I'm some cases because you just clip through each other and there is almost no feedback from taking damage besides your Dino being covered in injuries, my suggestions would be make it so dinos can't clip through each other and make the bite animation a bit cleaner.

Now I do think its already a good chance they are going to do what I suggested but Im just not sure if it's planned

If I had to guess tho it would make sense with the gore update

[broken thorn]

Are you talking about Legacy branch or Evrima?🤠

[fallen path]

What do you guys think of optional Voice chat over radio for mercs?

[icy lion]

thats confirmed

[bronze moat]

@broken thorn as far as I've played they both have it though evrima already looks better

I feel like I'm just not explaining it very well

I guess the simple way to say it is that I think it looks off when 2 dinos are fighting and when they clash they are clipping into each other while fighting

[broken thorn]

So like, when an Allo bites into a Teno, there should be impact, some motion of both animals and not just a bite animation?

Some real weight to the fight

[fallen path]

But do you think its a good idea @icy lion

[barren zephyr]

I think it’s a good idea

[paper oriole]

The friendly fire suggestions are so

[bronze moat]

@broken thorn yes, exactly

[broken thorn]

Yeah, im no animator nor coder but i think making stuff look this good will take sh!tload of work and might come in future as a polish of what we get. I personally think things look very decent rn🙂

I think Apexes will have their own combat system where they will be brawling with each other or their prey, which might look awesome tbh

[cosmic trellis]

best idea i can come up with for apex brawling would be skill checks

[manic flint]

Because if I miss my opponent and kill my friend that's not my fault noooo that's the game's fault

[gritty helm]

I mean, desync/lag can fuck you over like that lmao
but yeah, reduced damage on packmates shouldn't really be a thing

[manic flint]

But that's a lag issue

So yea

[fallen path]

Anti cheat should REALLY be added

[upper summit]

lol my friend has this thing where he can see through water

I ask him to use it when I need water

also it allows him to kill deinos or fish LOL

as utah anyway

[fallen path]

Dickhead

[drowsy heron]

if theres a guide to skimming I'd much appreciate it

[odd sedge]

@drowsy heron
It's really not hard, it needs a little practice.
Yes I agree, Ptera loses height quite fast and that forces you to pay a lot of attention to it.

My tip is to circle over the ripples instead of flying over in a straight line. Watch out for your height and press space as soon as your beak starts to dip too far into the water

Best way to see that is to keep your camera as close to the water level as possible, though it makes it harder to see the ripples. You'd need to make them out before

[drowsy heron]

maybe they could make our descent down over water take longer

[hoary dawn]

skimming is easy

you just gotta pay attention to your altitude

tap space every once in a while

[drowsy heron]

I have caught my first fish, many thanks! @hoary dawn @odd sedge

[paper oriole]

bruh i taught myself how to skim fish on my first ptera after afking to adult how can it be too hard

[odd sedge]

I don't care, always glad to help fellow Pteras out

[hoary dawn]

i can see it being a bit confusing if you dont know how it works, but once you understand it it just becomes second nature

[odd sedge]

For the first solid week of me playing Ptera, I had no idea how the Z landing worked, so I slammed my head into everything in order to land

In my defense, my Z didn't work

But unknown mechanics are hard to figure out on the spot

[drowsy heron]

exactly, it's not explained well. And the controls aren't stated in game how to use them so I ether have to google it or ask

[odd sedge]

There are some things you either need to find out or learn

[drowsy heron]

ye. Just stating, not everyones gonna figure it out first game like bruh

[hoary dawn]

i knew what z landing was and i still splat into the ground

god tier landing strat

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/765995352566136882/838269959628521472/die1.mp4

[lone kite]

no feathers on theri seems weird

like for certain dinos yea i get it but for dinos that are covered in feathers like theri or arkyopterics seems weird and unrealistic

[hoary dawn]

imo as long as it doesn't affect gameplay why not have em as an option, a featherless theri looks just as unsettling and out of place as a featherless utah

[hasty dagger]

Naked Hypsi

[honest sparrow]

yes, finally the rat will be exposed

[tender latch]

yes, finally the rat will be exposed

[crisp jay]

can anyone help me im trying to play the normal game not the beta evrima and i try to join a eu server and every time it logs me into a china server how do i fix this

[barren zephyr]

yes, finally the rat will be exposed

[cosmic trellis]

that screech tho

[vale pawn]

epic fail

[hoary dawn]

chungus 100

[ember egret]

the carno is way too fucking overpowerd. its biteforce is littearly 150 away from the bite of the biggest fucking crocodile of all time like what the shit. also, their hitbox is fucking insane

double the weight of the utah and 3x the biteforce w 6x the fucking hitbox

broken asf. yall mf's need to buff the utah or fix the dumb ass carno

[safe galleon]

c-calm down

[ember egret]

also, js. why isnt the deinosuchases biteforce fckn 700? the rex had 2x the biteforce from the deino irl whats 1400 /2 fckn 700 not 500

also, ooooooh yay the utah makes up for the shit bite with a shitty pounce that dont hit half the time

ggs

[upper summit]

ur ass

if u die ur bad

[ember egret]

lmaoooooo

you prob are trash asf

i only play carno or deino lookin aaaaa

[paper oriole]

Is this guy trolling

[ember egret]

im not average DA over here must be retarted

[icy lion]

time to stop

[upper summit]

I main utah lmao

utah doesn't need anything

it can kill every playable in the game

you're just ass

[ember egret]

totally

[upper summit]

don't pounce if you don't have to

[ember egret]

lmao your funny asf

[icy lion]

you as well

[ember egret]

lmaoooo

fr.

[upper summit]

?

I'm just saying

[paper oriole]

Dino enjoyer is speaking the truth

[ember egret]

imagen tryna start shii in discussions lmao u ass asf

[upper summit]

the game's been out way too long

for you to be so bad

[swift dew]

did yall not see this?

[ember egret]

never seen me play but nice aquisations DA

ok

[upper summit]

bruh

ur a salty utah

[paper oriole]

Utah can kill everything except perhaps deino because deino is busted

[upper summit]

ur bad

[ember egret]

ur trash asf

[swift dew]

too far
<@&401466542140817419>

[icy lion]

how hard is it

[compact hare]

@ocean vessel I believe the sandbox dinos are the "unfinished" playables. Since they cant work with legacy anymore, it was left aside to work on evrima

[ocean vessel]

but they are working for the most part well and can be played in survival if given by admin so why would the option to play as them be so bad

im on about legacy not evirma as that is atm very early

[compact hare]

You can play as them if you want anyways
idk, I guess they had plans for them but couldnt work properly, so they arent finished

at this point its not really worth to change them to survival playables but, who knows

[ocean vessel]

well just wanted to know if there was some reason i didnt know but i agree there prob not finished thank you for responding tho

[compact hare]

your welcome

[hoary dawn]

that do already be a feature

[paper oriole]

i... can't ... resist ...

Upvoting your own suggestion

[vale pawn]

im going to upvote my own suggestion

[swift dew]

smh my head

[barren zephyr]

YOU SAID IT

[vale pawn]

the sacred text

[valid elk]

Blam, posted

It probably sounds a bit rude, but I needed to air out my thoughts.

[hasty dagger]

Mixpacking herbis are just as bad as mixpacking carnis. Nobody wants to get fractured to hell by a Pachy and then chased down by their Stego friends.

Make it as hard as possible for that to happen, not easier

[paper oriole]

Local chat for herbs would be a neat server option but not something for officials

Also
Upvoting your own suggestion

[barren zephyr]

The phrase

[honest sparrow]

bob

[paper oriole]

Wouldn’t say theyre as bad as mixpacking carnis. even though both often have adaptions to kill, carnis are usually faster and can track on the move which makes mixpacks with carnis all the more damaging. Unofficial servers with rules to prevent herbivore death squads could make good use of an all-herbi local chat

[odd sedge]

Exactly.
Also it is a lot more immersive and fun to use your creatures body language and calls to get the attention of your fellow herd mates to warn them.
Just writing “Carno in the trees“ is neither fun for the herbs or the carnis nor thrilling.

[wanton hull]

I cant stand “herds” in legacy. Its so boring to sit in one place for predators to try hunt you and by predators i mean rex and giga since most mid tiers cant even attempt to hunt them

[pure fossil]

Whaaaaaat? But if a pack of carnos and allos can literally destroy herds if they are good coordinated. Utahs even enjoy them. Easy meal all time. Killing from one to one or two from two. Idk why ppl ask that kind of heavy “immersion” using your “body lenguage” on a game that is all but immersive. Let the herbs be on herds even in official servers, or you will be destroying player base of dinos like patchy, just like Legacy. Idk why ppl say is boring be on herds. Maybe for you, but you are not all. Let ppl be on herds and if you wanna kill them, then think how instead of deny them the chance of a better defense. The idea of local chat for herds is not bad at all. Not totally necessary ofc, but not bad at all

Sorry for the typos, I’m typing from my mobile phone

[wanton hull]

“Allos can destroy herds”
One word “Theri”
Also i play on servers with bodydown so I don’t know if its different on other servers but ive never seen mid tiers successfully make a kill. Utah could very well do it by tail riding but anything else probably not

As for herbivores its just to easy to stay alive

But this is general feedback so we shouldn’t go into things here

[pure fossil]

Theri aren’t on the official ones

Second, that’s why you have rules. Third, even theris have flaws. Don’t go against him and go agains the weak ones around. As I said, look alternatives instead deny herbs the chance of be strong. Carnivores can easily hunt herbs, that’s their role. Let the herbs enjoy the only thing they can really, eat plants felling themselves protected and stand up a chance against packs of mid tiers or even apexes. Is not this general feedback discussion? Lol

[wanton hull]

Feedback would be for evrima not legacy

[odd sedge]

I am confused, since when do allos and theirs exist in evrima?
Any herd with a stego has a high survivability and with the introduction of nesting, herds will grow in no time.
Dryos are easily unkillable, Hypsis don't have a growth time, Tenos are the best balanced animal and stegos can murder utahs and carnos.
No need to make herbivores stronger than they are right now

By the introduction of a herbivore local chat I mean

Herds already work without such a chat.
Every herd I've been in is followed by a trail of death and corpses. Every carnivore that dared to attack might snatch a baby or a hypsi but was at high risk of paying with their life. No need to make it when easier for herbs

[limber hull]

goat troodon when

[sudden hinge]

@sly vessel why should herbivores have a local chat when the devs are wanting the herds to seperate and spread out within there own species. Why should they be able to communicate at all when in nature herbivores of other species don’t understand each other

[wanton hull]

It would be nice with a local global chat for admins to talk to people without having to swap between species or discord

[sudden hinge]

Then just make it an admin ability to talk to anyone. Making it so entirely separate species can communicate going against the deletion of global

[valid elk]

Now that it's been a day, what does everyone think of my Pteranodon thing?

[sudden hinge]

Tbh it’s run animations don’t bug me as is but I mean if everyone else wants the change im down with it

[pure fossil]

It’s all related. If you read carefully you will understand my point. I am not talking about now, but about the future. Herds should be allowed, and the local chat for herds the same, for the same reasons than Legacy. Now isn’t the case because the lack of a proper Dino roster, but once That comes, then all of this will be real and will need to be counted as an option to put in for herds or we will be doing a bit the same mistake than legacy

[sudden hinge]

Herds should remain separated by species if I’m gathering what your saying even now there should remain species chat and that’s it. herbies even without chat have discord and communicate fine sometimes without it as well. It also doesn’t make sense that a group of different animals would understand each other outside of the same species

[sonic mural]

^

[sudden hinge]

And in general herds being unable to communicate evens the playing field because when herds can just tell each other what’s going on they mobilize and become impenetrable especially for solo hunters looking to snag a juvi and quickly escape. If they can’t tell each other exactly where the carnivore is it makes it alittle more balanced imo

[muted fog]

Imagine theri mixherding with stegos

[odd sedge]

I was gonna @ a mod but now it's gone... huh

[sudden hinge]

Mix herding and packing just shouldn’t be a thing

[limber hull]

mix herding seems inevitable. Additionally, it has been seen in nature, dryos were theorised to frequently move with herds of other creatures for safety

[pure fossil]

Mostly half on the Isle makes not sense dude. Let’s not use that card on this because it’s a double side weapon yk that.
I’m not talking a full time chat for herds, but yes a minimum one. It’s totally normal that herbis interact with each other. Now, don’t misunderstand me, I get your point too and I don’t disapprove it at all, I think some herbis should be separated from others on chat, because they can easily break the game. But think on a patchy and a galli. Canon those dudes could talk between them in game without troubles for anyone

[limber hull]

i dont agree with there being a herbi chat

[wanton hull]

I agree the game isn’t balanced around mix herding but I just want communication for rule servers and also its a game we have to draw the line of realism and practicality somewhere

[sudden hinge]

It still isn’t necessary and going with what the game intends they want herbivores to stick more so with there own species and are even putting in mechanics to break up the herds with migration and diets. Giving herbies even some that can’t stat boost he ability to speak still unbalances it

[sudden hinge]

But there is practical reason to have separated chat for herbies you should have to react to the sounds other dinosaurs make not a stego telling all the other herbies that they saw a raptor

[pure fossil]

How, HOW will unbalance it when you said it by yourself they can do it talking by discord. That is what I mean man, it’s stupid. Will happen yes or yes, and herd chat between minor species than can literally do little like galli, patchy, dryo (not the actual one lol) etc hurts no one. And well, first see then believe. I’m long here for know that not all what the devs want will go into the game. Because at some point you will need to think between playability (idk if I said it good) and reality. Herd chat between mix species should happen. At least between low tier ones.

So, instead of private them if that when they will literally use it by other means, give them a legal way and let them enjoy

[sudden hinge]

Because you don’t balance the game around discord use you balance it in terms of the game itself and the devs don’t want it. It’s unbalanced because you should literally listen to the sounds other herbies make not them literally giving you a heads up via text.

[karmic plank]

Diets and food availability is meant to stop herds growing too large and too strong. Balance using that rather than some inane restrictions

The south herbi camping grounds was fine in legacy, with big mixed packs including trikes

[sudden hinge]

On top of that the game is completely playable without mixed species communication

You shouldn’t be able to communicate with a pachy as a galli there is no gameplay reason to do thay

[pure fossil]

What sounds? The kids onespaming? Seriously? Don’t ask reality to a game that is, on it’s core, not real. Chat of that kind cannot be unbalanced between low tier herbs

It’s not gameplay reason for maní things in this game pal

[karmic plank]

Meh, people who are properly playing together will be in discord. Give everyone else more natural forms of communication imo

[sudden hinge]

That’s how it should be lol it’s not the devs fault people spam call but it doesn’t hinder gameplay to have it not available but it does unbalance the game when it is available

[pure fossil]

Still, the point it’s the same.

[karmic plank]

I think there should be emotes and expressions, just like Sea of Thieves and all those sorts of games

Typing ruins the immersion for me, personally

Though I mainly play carnivore and never mixpack, so

[sudden hinge]

It’s not needed bro plain and simple it hinders gameplay more to have it

[karmic plank]

I can see where people are coming from wanting more text chat - especially between herbivores, who do Co-op IRL - but I personally feel it's better as is

[pure fossil]

You think it’s not needed, others yes. So we only can see if devs will take feedback of that or not.

[sudden hinge]

Same like I see what they are saying but I mean if you want to talk to your friends play the same Dino

[karmic plank]

I so also agree that there aren't enough ways to communicate cross species arm

[sudden hinge]

They are pretty set on it from what I’ve gathered lol

[karmic plank]

Like, I'm a deino chilling with spare meat I'm willing to share - how do I communicate that to a hungry Utah hatchling hanging around? I could H, but that's not always clear... 2 calls don't sound friendly at all

[sudden hinge]

I mean calls should do it enough like if you hear a stego 3 call or 4 call you should be on edge

[sudden hinge]

But why would you feed another species especially a competitor

[pure fossil]

Because it’s a GAME

Omg

[karmic plank]

Utahs aren't competitors with deino anyway, if anything they share a common enemy - carnos

[pure fossil]

And in fact Utah’s are not competition

[sudden hinge]

And if you want to play that way fine but the game the devs are making isn’t that

[sudden hinge]

It’s a carnivore and can feed off baby deinos therefore it’s competition

[karmic plank]

Deino don't get squat from a baby Utah, same reason why ptera don't get scared around adult deino, the bite isn't worth the meal

[sudden hinge]

Until we get like velo and smaller predators that physically can’t harm deino hatchlings they are competition

[pure fossil]

A game it’s meant to give options to the player for enjoy it

Not delete them

[sudden hinge]

Do you need to kill for food everytime? No killing competition is a valid strat even if you aren’t hungry

[pure fossil]

And the point it’s that. Give options for let at least low tier herbs to talk

Comunícate

[sudden hinge]

Not if it kills what the devs are trying to convey in there game which text channels can do and which they did in legacy

[sudden hinge]

No use calls

[odd sedge]

Well yes, but a horror survival game shouldn't allow players to live in peace and harmony

[sudden hinge]

Facts thank you like if you want chat sim play pot

[pure fossil]

If I tell you the truth, horror survival seems atm for me more focused to humans

I mean, they are the only ones that will feel more on disadvantage

[karmic plank]

Well, some species sport kill (cats), most won't for risk of injury... but what people need to remember is games like The Isle are sandboxes where you need to make your own fun.... And half if that fun is the social interaction with others both in and out of your species

[sudden hinge]

Giving herbies the ability to mix species communicate literally benefits them over the predators so no it shouldn’t be a thing

[pure fossil]

What??? Dude, the predators are always more. Always more Utah’s than dryos, always more rexes than trikes

[sudden hinge]

Sure but they are also building a game more realistic than the chat sim y’all are use to they wouldn’t add any of the mechanics were getting if that wasn’t the intent and plenty of predators kill for other reasons than food

[pure fossil]

In this game I mean. So what advantage? If mostly where are herbis, will be a lot of Carina around

[karmic plank]

Like OK, I'm a ptera with all the fish I could need, am I supposed to RP and afk on a cliff all game? No, I'll probably go out, dive bomb some carnos, feed some fish to a baby Utah, chill out with some deinos at pond, and probably die to a hungry baby

[limber hull]

i think the issue is primarily a lack of care when it comes to developing herbis. With diets and some reworks to the herbis (stegos, dryo and hypsi all feel under-developed compared to any carnivore), we could potentially see more play from these characters

[sudden hinge]

And they shouldn’t be able to mix chat either

[limber hull]

currently, most herbis feel weak tbh,

[gritty helm]

I feel like if you're playing a carni attempting to hunt a herd and you end up getting called out by said herd that's kinda on you lol. I get what you're trying to argue but cross species communication between herbivores doesn't really break game balance inherently it just depends how they go about it. If its like local chat then yeah, you could call it broken. If there's a separate grouping system entirely for herds that have hard limits attached then no I wouldn't call it broken

[limber hull]

Just really unfinished

[sudden hinge]

Okay that’s on you but that’s not the gameplay they are intending for no ones telling you how to play within the game itself

[limber hull]

Dryo is a snorefest due to how broken it is stat-wise, yet how boring it is with abilities. It's literally a shift+W character with nothing else of interest to it

[gritty helm]

the appeal of herbivore gameplay is that its more social than carni gameplay so giving herbivores the ability to be more social isn't inherently a bad thing, again, it just depends how they go about it

[sudden hinge]

Im specifically talking about mix species communication that is totally unbalanced in my example here

[karmic plank]

Agreed, they are trying to make herbis more attractive by making them easier, but it's just made them boring. I've grown a stego from baby to full afk in the swamp, alt tab back to drink, wat some grass, alt tab again for 20min. Ain't fun, but it's optimal and 'realistic'

[sudden hinge]

Be social with your own species

[sudden hinge]

Or select species that have a symbiotic relationship like dryo and stego at the most and even then they shouldn’t be able to talk to each other imo

[pure fossil]

Yes, limit the options to the player yeeeeww

[sudden hinge]

Yep exactly since what you want kills the immersion the devs are going for

[limber hull]

entirely agree, dryo is baby mode. Hypsi is literally unfinished. The steg should have to eat a lot more than it does, a herd of 6 ton animals should absolutely decimate their local plantlife and constantly be on the move, yet for some reason, instead of high hunger rate, it has a high thirst rate for some mysterious reason

[pure fossil]

What inmersioon if you play in 3rd person omg

[sudden hinge]

Wtf are you even saying at this point

[pure fossil]

You want to talk about be real immersive? Let’s play all on 1st

[sudden hinge]

[limber hull]

what the fuck are you on about lmao

[sudden hinge]

He’s literally just losing it now

[karmic plank]

High thirst actually makes sense for balance - rivers are where you are forcing interaction between players and species

It's where most fights start

The swamp is weird tho

[sudden hinge]

I can’t wait for diets to be in and herbies actually compete so this convo will be moot

[limber hull]

that's true, but i prefer the concept of stegos absolutely destroying nearby plants in a herd, keep them forced to stay on the move

the abundance of food for herbi makes starvation a ridiculous concept

[karmic plank]

I want stegos to eat the ground cover that other dinos use to hide in haha

[sudden hinge]

Diets and migration should help fix that

[karmic plank]

Food is literally infinite for herbis atm, you can graze for 5s and be good for 10min when below 20%

[pure fossil]

I mean, you want be immersive, okay, then why you don’t focus on other things that will make the game more immersive more than let low tier herbis talk? Put the game on first person instead of 3rd. That I mean, you call totally for immersive things, blablabla, but the game has a lot of things not immersive at all

[karmic plank]

Forget bush hunting

[limber hull]

except the third person helps recreate the larger vision cone these creatures had due to eye placement

[pure fossil]

Yes I know

[karmic plank]

Realism is a noble goal but it needs to be tempered by keeping the game fun and engaging

[sudden hinge]

I like many others see the direction the devs are going and enjoy and accept it you are not accepting it and obviously upset play pot they have what you need

[sudden hinge]

Which these mechanics being added will do

[limber hull]

i think that mixherds work well enough without having a cross-species chat

[pure fossil]

But then don’t look so hard for be immersive when the game has points when it flaws on it

Put a chat for low tier herbis in not breaking nothing

[sudden hinge]

I will when it’s unbalanced and unnecessary like cross species chat

[karmic plank]

This is the exact place where discussion and yes, even criticism, is warranted and desired. It's the feedback channel.

[pure fossil]

The lack of criticism and acceptance of it is what kills the games

[limber hull]

if herbis can speak to other herbis, we'll have troodons chatting to every creature, because it wouldn't be very fair to have herbis speak to other creatures but troodon the mimicker not be able to do this. Just let species speak amongst themselves, otherwise we end up going down a weird slippery slope

[sudden hinge]

Yeah but when your arguing for things that directly contradict what the devs are doing with your game it’s not feedback at that point it’s trying to tell them how to make there game. The devs don’t want chats being more than species and group from what I’ve seen

[pure fossil]

And then because that I cannot give my opinion? Even defend it? Okay

[sudden hinge]

No it doesn’t kill the game it’s the unwillingness to even adapt to evrima and continue to have legacy mindsets that is the problem

[karmic plank]

I've supported single species chat throughout - just because I did the mature thing and acknowledged others points of view doesn't mean I agree

[sudden hinge]

You can defend it but I have the right to also contend it every time

[limber hull]

just because you defend your opinion does not mean that it is against the rules to disagree

[sudden hinge]

I mean you can call it mature if you want it’s just a discussion central’s the one who made it about personal attacks which i haven’t made one

[pure fossil]

Yes, if I am not even talking about that. You are the only one that use the devs point for try stop the subject.

Ik the view point, but still I think a chat for herbis will not unbalance nothing

[limber hull]

what's wrong with quoting the devs in an argument about their own game

[sudden hinge]

Because that’s honestly what’s going to happen

[limber hull]

lmao

the devs kinda make all the choices

[gritty helm]

I kinda disagree here cause what's the point of grouping up if you can't even communicate with who you group up with? lol
I can understand the concern about not wanting apex herbi's to group up and be unkillable or become massive death squads but you can make it to where in a herd "groups" there's hard limits on how many apex herbi's there can be. diets will also more than likely force certain herbi's to go to different portions of the map and given what the supposed downsides of ignoring your diet are unless a player is willing to sabotage themselves they'll have to separate from the herd eventually or end up becoming the weak link that's easy to kill

[karmic plank]

Imagine trying to insinuate that being considerate is being immature

[sudden hinge]

They don’t want interspecies herds grouping anymore hence why diets is suppose to spread the herds out

[limber hull]

groups will gather together for survival. I prefer meeting a steg as a teno and trying to communicate and play with him using my calls. Adds a level of immersion and fun, plus I like the unspoken friendship formed.

[sudden hinge]

No I’m insinuating that both you and central are taking this discussion personal and taking any of my points as personal attacks towards your character which I haven’t done lol

[limber hull]

@barren zephyr quite literally a way to help people who bush grow

and punish active players

[sudden hinge]

Exactly it adds that level of fun that they’ve been talking about without killing immersion

[karmic plank]

Please, find one time where I took it personal. You and central have been bickering, not Mr.

[barren zephyr]

I don't Bush grow. And it's not punishing active players

[limber hull]

it literally is

[barren zephyr]

It's logic

[pure fossil]

I not talking nothing personal dude, I’m only talking. If you felt that way it’s on you. I am only saying that all your point it’s okay, but the chat between species it’s not breaking nothing. Then you came saying about devs. Okay. I still saying to you, this game has a lot of not immersive points, so the subject stills going on around it

[barren zephyr]

U spend more enargy running around

[limber hull]

you lose stamina

that is good enough

[barren zephyr]

Bruh moment

[limber hull]

mate, i prefer not to be punished with more hunger for literally hunting for food

[karmic plank]

Diet is more about having defined ecologies for herbivores and the carnivores that predate on them

Not stopping mixpacks

[gritty helm]

^

[karmic plank]

Same reason there will be collision damage for carnos and trees

[barren zephyr]

Pog

[sudden hinge]

Obviously the convo is getting to you on some level for you to keep commenting on how I’m discussing things with him

[karmic plank]

This isn't a point scoring match, please keep it on topic.

[sudden hinge]

It will hinder mixpacking because herbies will compete for similar foods and have food in different regions

[sudden hinge]

Lol right on

Like you do realize that you don’t want to mix pack after diets right like it won’t be beneficial

You won’t want to mega herd either

[karmic plank]

Mixpacking will still happen between herbivores and carnivores to boost fighting power without running into the food issues that big carnivore packs usually run into

Carnivores are in a good place now, they rarely get too big and out of control. Trying to feed even a group of 10 utahs can be a real challenge

Herbivores are only a non-issue because barely anyone wants to play them

And those that do quickly get bored and suicidaly aggressive

[limber hull]

I mean

Tenos are designed to be aggressive

[karmic plank]

Tenos are the utahs of the herbi world, lol

Except bigger

[sudden hinge]

There will plenty of food issues what do you mean herbies will be competing for food now

[karmic plank]

Carnivore pack sizes are fundamentally capped because there is only so much kill to go around

[sudden hinge]

Like the game won’t be filled with mix packing groups after diets are added you will be significantly weaker playing that way

[karmic plank]

You can bypass that issue by padding the ranks with big herbivores, like teno

[sudden hinge]

Herbie groups are as well when competing for food

[sudden hinge]

No you really can’t lol

[karmic plank]

What do you think the carnivores are eating? Kill the other herbis, free range for your own

People are already doing it

[valid elk]

Anyone else wanna tell me their thoughts about my Pteranodon...thoughts, I guess?

[sudden hinge]

That doesn’t mean mix pack with said herbivore diets are going to be complex so complex that a dryo might eat the bottom of a plant and a teno eats the top of the same plant but they both can’t eat that plant. So they compete there isn’t a benefit from traveling with other herbivores

[karmic plank]

Could you repeat them please?

[sudden hinge]

The only time it wouldn’t matter is if you both didn’t eat the same food but most of the time if you don’t eat similar foods then you won’t be in the same area

[karmic plank]

You are assuming that there will be one food per area - this is never the case IRL and I would be surprised if they were that crude in The Isle

I would think that some will favour grasslands, some will favour forests, some will favour marshlands

But having hard "You starve outside this corner of the map" seems a step backwards and unlikely

[sudden hinge]

The food sources still won’t be in direct vicinity of each other and it won’t benefit you to be with other herbivores trying to meet there food needs it would benefit you more to travel with your species than to try and balance 3-4 diets in a huge mix herd that will grow weaker and weaker since they can’t stick to there preferred diet

[karmic plank]

It seems your main issue is that you can do a pelican/albatross style running launch instead of only the quadraped launch?

I agree that the duck style waddling launch is a bit out of place and don't tend to use it, bit I feel that they probably favoured wind assisted/clifftop launches IRL

I thought there was good evidence that the larger pteradons could run decently quickly, and had well developed leg muscles?

[valid elk]

No, no

They were great at quad running, but no pterosaur ever ran bipedally.

Hence the picture I used for it, all Pterosaurs launched like that.

[karmic plank]

Ah, gotcha, that does seem a bit obvious given how front-heavy they are - I didn't think the pteranadon ran bipedally currently, though?

[valid elk]

Our Pteranodon does, and it looks super out of place, to be honest.

[karmic plank]

I probably haven't been paying close enough attention, I rarely take more than a couple of steps on ground as a ptera

[valid elk]

Yeah, even our hop to take off is a legit jump instead of a pole vault.

[karmic plank]

We are talking about a fairly small ptera compared to those big ones you were talking about, but 60kg is still no ioke

Might be worth, instead of focusing on how you think it should be and why, highlight exactly what you don't like about the current animation?

[valid elk]

I talked about it in feedback.

Like, the animation specifically.

[karmic plank]

I think I'll have to wait until I can spawn another ptera and get a better look, I really thought they ran just as you were requesting - quadrapedally using their wings as crutches

The footprints look bipedal, I remember that

[valid elk]

No, no

I think you misundeestand

[karmic plank]

Probably, haha

[valid elk]

One of the take off animations is it getting up on its two legs and flapping its wings like a bird

[karmic plank]

Yeah, that's the sprinting launch, which I don't like - and very few people use

It can, if used correctly, launch with less stamina but it's easy to screw up and use more

The vast majority of launches are the spring launch

I assume you've played and aren't just relying on old press releases?

[valid elk]

Pterosaur lover. I have seen the animation many times.

[karmic plank]

Ah ok, yeah if you watched the animations but haven't played the game I can see where you are coming from

The running launch is very goofy but almost never actually occurs

You either just press space, which does the quadraped spring launch almost straight up

Or you drop off the cliff you are resting on and unfurl your wings mid-air

It is very rare for a ptera to land where there is even enough space for a running launch - it's almost always on a wooded riverbank or on top of something high

When you do do a running launch, you start with a sprint (which is the quadraped run that you would expect) then, once you are up to speed, you unfurl your wings flap for the last little bit until you can get airborne

So at that point, in theory, your wings are already supporting most of your weight and you are using your legs to help give that last little speed boost - sort of like a duck when they water run during takeoff

A very extended answer and discussion on a relatively minor part of the game but I hope that helps you a bit :)

(and, if you still don't like the running launch, you can just not use it - nobody else really does!)

[valid elk]

I hope I made my point clear

[tranquil vortex]

Am I able to get help with something? or just figure out what happened cause i'm absolutely confused

[hoary dawn]

you could try asking in #isle-discussion, that's normally where all the help stuff is

[tranquil vortex]

ah okay, thanks

[tawny juniper]

@stuck bison I think perhaps an entirely different call would be better for group invites, it could also be held down for mating calls potentially

Basically this

#general-feedback message

[stuck bison]

possibly. Honestly the main thing is that the friendly doesn't do it all the time.

[valid elk]

Anyone wanna tell me what they think?

[ashen wasp]

Of pole vaulting?? Love it, wish we had it, honestly hate the running takeoff we have now

Troodon learning calls is also a good idea imo— but what if learned calls carried over from life to life?? You are, canonically, the same character after all— profiles and such.

[hoary dawn]

na

[tawny juniper]

Wdym

[stuck bison]

What I mean is that something needs to change from friendly always being invite. Whether it's a whole new button, or shift +2. One way or the other something needs to change imo.

[tawny juniper]

That's what I mean

a different key call would be invite

Opening up 2 call/friendly call to be the call saying "I'm nice"

[stuck bison]

Yeah and All I said was whether it's that or my suggestion, it needs to change. I personally still like Shift + 2 for it, it leaves other buttons up for more emotes

[paper oriole]

Upvoting your own suggestion three times

[vale pawn]

the combo

i was waiting for that lol

[tawny juniper]

Wasn't the afinity system or whatever it was called get canceled

[hoary dawn]

iirc there was a comment about it not too long ago

tho i think it was before the isle discussion wipe so i'd need to dig around for the quote

[muted fog]

What would be the point in mimicking calls if I can tell it's a troodon trolling?

[honest sparrow]

yeah it was scrapped

grooming would still be neat as another form of health regen or just stuff to do

[feral solstice]

Spam

[fluid venture]

def

[vale pawn]

[fluid venture]

"spam" because i posted the same thing like i did 9 DAYS Ago with an actual explaination this time

[swift dew]

no, spam because this. this doesn't even count the one you just posted

[fluid venture]

I didnt post it in a row tho??

[icy lion]

spam because its the 7th time youve posted the same idea and also admitted it was, and i also warned you the last time

[fluid venture]

there are like 3 or 4 days in between

[sonic mural]

._.

[fluid venture]

that was sarcasm xd

dont see the problem srsly

[hybrid matrix]

i dont see the problem with troodon mimicry being slightly different than the real deal

it shouldnt be a drastic difference
but something that if you pay close attention to then you'll notice it

like a slightly higher pitch

[feral solstice]

I think personally that should be up close

From a distance it’ll sound like a normal call, but the closer you get, the more fake it seems

[hybrid matrix]

that would make sense

[feral solstice]

Though it’ll be very slight

[sonic mural]

Yea from far away it sounds like it but the closer u get the more u notice

Good idea lol

[hybrid matrix]

since the sound'd be less "smudged" the closer you get

[karmic plank]

I like to role play, and would rather use calls to socialise... If you are near a group of the same species and 2 call some people will 2 call back, join the group, and use that information to find and kill you

[stuck bison]

that's why I suggested you have to push Shift + 2 for it to be an invite and accept an invite

[karmic plank]

For sure, I'd love to have more options for emoting

Having physical emotes would be nice to, though I can't think what they'd look like right now

I've played a lot of Sea of Thieves and their little emote wheel comes in handy

I also think some of the calls could be a little bit more intuitive, I know it's anthromorphising but half the 2 calls don't sound friendly at all

[karmic plank]

I don't think shift 2 is necessarily the best idea, since shift is used for sprint... Long press and/ only when very close would make more sense

[sharp spindle]

Well one thing is sure and that is the players will learn and each time they hear the troodan it'll be easier to find the difference and after a while troodons will be completely useless cause everyone knows the difference

[hybrid matrix]

what do you think of this?
#general-feedback message

[paper oriole]

Not really true, people arent listening closely 100% of the time, it just urges troodons to play smarter

[sharp spindle]

I read that im saying even with slight differences you'll eventually learn it and you can just know when its a troodon by even .001 sec of the wrong pitch in the call

[hybrid matrix]

maybe i wasnt clear enough in my suggestion

[paper oriole]

If a player is being cautious enough they deserve to be rewarded for their counterplay

[hybrid matrix]

do you not understand what "Basically, at face value it should sound normal, but it shouldn't feel normal. There should be something off about it. That feeling when you you forgot something but you don't know what. Almost like you're itchy." means?

[severe hazel]

I agree, if the troodon sounds even a bit different players will be able to tell, and they will either use it to go after the troodon or just entire avoid it

[sharp spindle]

Can you give me an example of sounding normal but NOT FEELING normal

[hybrid matrix]

gimme a minute

im trying to find the video

[severe hazel]

After a hundred or so hours in game you can basically nail what every dinosaur is and how big it is just by hearing it’s call. If you can hear something off about it… you’re going to know right away that it’s a troodon

[paper oriole]

Is it the bird saying hello to the horserider video

[sharp spindle]

Exactly

[paper oriole]

And if its just off enough where you wont notice it unless youre paying close attention it will reward cautious players while players who werent listening in for noises specifically will be stuck wondering if it was prey or a troodon, and if they should risk checking it out or losing a meal

[severe hazel]

IRL sure, it works. In game though, there isn’t enough variety in the calls dinosaurs can make for someone to think, oh that could be one… you’re just going to know right away

[hybrid matrix]

ok ima post two videos
https://youtu.be/mSB71jNq-yQ?t=108
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3VVxbJa61Q

Actually

[paper oriole]

I know for a fact that the playerbase isnt full of people who will tell the difference between some taco scream and something that sounds very close to it, because i know people who have played the game for years and still mix up ceratos and sub gigas from a distance

[hybrid matrix]

the car alarm mimic at 2:18 is the best example of what i mean

[severe hazel]

As cool as that is IRL… it’s just not going to work in game

Players will easily be able to tell

[hybrid matrix]

at face value it sounds like a car alarm

but if you listen closely you can hear a little trilling

[paper oriole]

You expect too much from isle players

[storm flower]

agreed

[severe hazel]

People just won’t fall for it. Maybe initially they would. But a few weeks in and everyone is going to be familiar with what the troodon sounds like and how to tell it apart from what it’s trying to mimic

Also, in game you don’t just rush towards any sound you hear without paying attention. Usually most players will stop, listen for a second call and focus on the direction and rough location… if you didn’t quite hear the variation the first time, you will when you’re paying attention to it trying to focus on the call

People don’t just rush towards calls in game without focusing on the direction and what it is

[hybrid matrix]

[severe hazel]

Because that’s how you get dead

[sharp spindle]

Interesting really but just think if you have that bird on your house at first its really amazing and cool and you'll be confused but after some times you just know when its your phone ringing or its just the bird mimicing
.
.
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The point is troodon is gonna be in the isle as a playable dino and we will have them or play with them for a long time and if theres a difference you know it and then it becomes useless

[hybrid matrix]

i dont think you know this, but isle players arent as smart as you think

[storm flower]

nah, you’d be surprised

[sharp spindle]

You really are underestimating the isle players

[storm flower]

the only people you’ll be tricking is new players

[paper oriole]

Some isle players are smart and they should be rewarded for it. Most of them... not so much

[severe hazel]

Maybe idiots that have like 10 hours in the game… but any player with any experience is going to be able to immediately tell that’s a troodon

[hybrid matrix]

this is the point im trying to make

people who can tell the difference should be rewarded

[severe hazel]

Give it 2 weeks and any slight variation in the call will become easily known and players will just know that what’s making the call is a troodon

[paper oriole]

Ive met people who have played years and are worse than some players who have only played for a few weeks

[sharp spindle]

If you cant succeed on test you do it again and again until u finally make it man people will learn how idiot they may be

[storm flower]

It’s not just about smarts, it’s about just learning the different variations in calls. and that itself is easy.

[paper oriole]

You really overestimate the caution and forethought of the average isle player

[hybrid matrix]

Yes and no
the first part is right
the second part is wrong
its not easy
it rlly isnt

[severe hazel]

I have just about 3000 hours in game, and I can without a doubt, with basically pin point accuracy tell you what the dino is and it’s growth just by hearing it. Anyone with more than like 50 hours is going to learn what the troodon sounds like within 2 weeks and just know to tell apart the fake calls

[hybrid matrix]

YES BECAUSE YOU ARE SMART AND YOU DESERVE TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE

[storm flower]

it feels like that takes the horror aspect out of it through

[sharp spindle]

Evrima right now is just playing for fun but in future with those interesting features they gonna put we wanna play with cautious and stay alive so we can get things like ELDERS

[vale pawn]

i still dont know the difference between juv rex and jux sucho

[severe hazel]

You’d only be fooling new players if you could tell the difference

[paper oriole]

I literally met somebody who had been playing 3 years who mistook a distant juvie diablo 4 call for an oro

[silk moat]

Just because you can tell the difference doesnt mean everyone else can. Ive met people with 2000 hours who confuse stegos with ankys.

[paper oriole]

Isle players arent that smart, people still fall for the deino fish bait trick

Even though its a well known hunting trick

[hybrid matrix]

tbf they sound sorta similar
especially the fcalls

[vale pawn]

yea its the f calls i cant tell apart

everything else i can

[silk moat]

on top of that people who play still rush into action without thinking. not everyone will stop to listen and instead most likely think that the troodon they hear is actually a trike even with the off audio and rush off to try to kill it

[hybrid matrix]

its also an easy way to trick desperate players

[silk moat]

^

[hybrid matrix]

they wont stop and listen to the sound

they'll charge at the food

[severe hazel]

The sort of players that run straight into tenontos as a carno and don’t understand why the lose

[hybrid matrix]

yes but those are idiots, not desperate

[severe hazel]

When if they used 0.5% of their brain power they would have realised that carnos charge knocks tenos and combine that with an ambush and you have a free kill

[hybrid matrix]

its like if u hear an oro (actually a troodon mimicing one) as a starving utah

[silk moat]

If you hear AI such as an Ava, your first thought most likely won’t be to check if it’s a troodon and instead just run towards it thinking you got lucky

[severe hazel]

Maybe if you could only hear a difference within say 25m… maybe

You’d have to be close, if you could tell far away you’d realise before you reached it.

[paper oriole]

If you are cautious then you deserve to realize it

[severe hazel]

If there was a difference it would have to only be noticeable at close range, that way if you do notice, there’s a chance it’s to late, and the troodon/troodons may have already noticed you

[paper oriole]

Troodon is far from helpless without mimicry, even if it fails on a cautious player it still has venom and nightvision to outmaneuver it during nighttime

[silk moat]

^

[paper oriole]

Plus the fact that it will often be grouped

If a player who recognized the call moves away it can still be herded, it can be taken advantage of

[severe hazel]

People will probably just learn to not go towards calls you hear in the night

[silk moat]

Doing that in general is a stupid idea yet people will still do it

[severe hazel]

Will turn into some horror movie stuff… don’t listen to the voices in the jungle at night

[paper oriole]

There is nothing wrong with troodon's mimicry having some speck of skill involved in it

It is an animal packed with utility, more than it even needs, its mimicry doesnt need to be perfect

Smart players should be able to avoid it

[silk moat]

If you aren’t careful with how you call then you will miss your catch. If your prey is smart enough to realize that it’s not an actual oro then they get to live another day.

[severe hazel]

It’s only going to be able to mimic other small animals and juvis. They don’t want it mimicking big animals. Because it would be stupid hearing a Stego broadcast coming out of something smaller than a dryo

[paper oriole]

Yeah and those smalls and small game hunters listening to those calls should be rewarded for their caution

[silk moat]

^^

[paper oriole]

Or punished for not being cautious

[severe hazel]

Gonna be a problem for me, because all I play is smalls

[paper oriole]

Isle players are generally hotheads who will rush to something the second they hear it because they want to fight/kill

[silk moat]

They will most of the time hear something and forget everything they learnt because they were looking for a fight

[paper oriole]

Players fall for the easiest bait, they act first and think later

[karmic plank]

Just a side note - I think it's disingenuous to call new players who don't know the mechanics - because let's be honest, most aren't that obvious - stupid or braindead

Carno charges are so janky most people probably don't even realise they exist

[paper oriole]

new players are another case, the point is people who have been exposed to noises, hunting strategies and fighting strategies continue to fall for even obvious tricks and traps

so something subtle like troodon calls being off will trick people

[sonic mural]

Damn y’all still talking about the troodon mimic call💀

[karmic plank]

Haha it's a pretty important thing for them to get right

It's also a really intriguing mechanic, captures people's interest

[sonic mural]

True

[tawny juniper]

@manic flint I believe we're capped on playables, as in we have everything we're going to get

[manic flint]

Huh, wasn't aware.

[tawny juniper]

I'm not sure but I feel like I've heard that somewhere

[manic flint]

Didn't Dondi just ask if they had an amargasaurus recently?

[tawny juniper]

idk did he

[manic flint]

Yes

Cause JWE2 just announced one

[hoary dawn]

the roster is locked in at 56

[manic flint]

Huh

[hoary dawn]

if they add anymore then they changed their minds but atm we know everything coming

[manic flint]

Well you never know Dondi may just say he wants another 10 Dino's or smth he's always pulling out another suprise

Why 56? such a weird number to end on

[hoary dawn]

probably just got to that point and decided they have enough to work on

[manic flint]

Fair

Hopefully when the mechanics are in the Dino's will come fast

[muted fog]

I definitely hope Amarga will be included.

[vast wolf]

doubtful

[karmic plank]

@sly vessel 🍄🍄🍄🍄🍄

April fools they can add psychedelic ones that if you eat by mistake mess up your vision and controls, haha

[vast wolf]

dinosaur revolution flashbacks

[sly vessel]

@karmic plank

Hahaha, I was thinking about some toxic ones that would make you actually that in the vision but maybe people wouldn’t like it so I added instead good ones for diet.

[paper oriole]

didnt one of the devs say something about some plants being toxic too, they better have drug shrooms among them

[vale pawn]

the funny plant

[upper summit]

why are people marking off BBgun's suggestion

a troodon wouldn't perfectly mimic every dinosaur's calls

that's not realistic

[paper oriole]

probably future troodon mains wanting as few weaknesses as possible lol

troodon doesnt even need mimicry, theyre lucky the devs crammed so much shit onto one small tier dino

[upper summit]

I feel like they could've chose any other small nocturnal dinosaur other than the one that doesn't even exist

[paper oriole]

probably did troodon because jp has it

[upper summit]

I really wish they would stop tryna copy jp lmao

[paper oriole]

doesnt really matter though, it is a fictional design carrying a fictional name, better than a fictional design carrying a valid name

wish theyd rename utah something different too because that shit isnt a utah but thats off topic

[upper summit]

same goes for spino but i guess "they aren't going for realism"

[paper oriole]

spino and anky dont deserve to carry the real name of their species

[upper summit]

the way they handle realism is off

deino is very realistic for a video game yet u have utah and spino

[paper oriole]

utah is in the unfortunate spot of being easy to turn into a jp ripoff and spino is in the spot where most mainstream dino media makes it some stupid generic land theropod so the isle copied that too

[upper summit]

they always gotta exaggerate/fictionalize the dinos

to make them cool

they are cool on their own man

[paper oriole]

we have dinos like kentro who look spot on, we have fictionalized dinos like tenonto who actually look good, then there's utah...

[upper summit]

tbh the animations make utah look alot better

but it needs a model change imo

[paper oriole]

the model makes so unbearable to look at and the fuckers are everywhere so i have no choice but to see the gangly wrist goblin jp raptor whenever i log in

[upper summit]

i just want a feathered raptor with alot of feathering on the arms and end of the tail then very little on the face

since realism is non existent i think a black nocturnal megaraptor with yellow eyes would be nice

or just megaraptor in general

i like megaraptor

[karmic plank]

That ones barely any bigger than a Utah - it's just a bit more heavily built (I'm guessing 800kg) or so?