general-feedback-discussion

[vast wolf]

emu

[paper oriole]

Emus are pretty chill compared to cassowaries

Galli is a serial child kicker

[vast wolf]

true, emus legit dont care where as if you mess with a cassowary they go attack mode.

[vale pawn]

Chaddowary

[swift dew]

@latent cargo galli is the way that it is because jp, its the same reason utah, troodon, and compy are naked. dondi likes jp

though hopefully, they will get feathered variants

[hoary dawn]

galli, troodon, and compy look almost nothing like their jp counterparts except for the fact that they dont have feathers

[swift dew]

uh... yeah they do

[hoary dawn]

how tho

[swift dew]

the isle

jp

[hoary dawn]

see those dont look like the same thing

[swift dew]

[paper oriole]

compy kinda just looks like a compy

[swift dew]

they are the exact same thing except slightly different headshapes and colors

[hoary dawn]

they are both compies yes

[paper oriole]

like neither are all that stylized imo

they look alike because they are both compy

galli can be argued that its featherless because of jp but it isnt really all that much like jp galli aside from that

utah though, total jp ripoff, spino sort of is too

[hoary dawn]

spino doesn't look anything like jp spino

only thing they have in common is the longer legs

[paper oriole]

long legs and little sail, though its not nearly as bad as utah

[hoary dawn]

utah yes, that is a very apparent rip

[paper oriole]

id argue that jps spino has a better head than isles spino lol

[swift dew]

if our spino is like jp spino (which it absolutly is) galli, troodon, and compy are also JPified

[paper oriole]

troodon definitely takes inspiration, but honestly compy is just compy

[hoary dawn]

how is our spino like jp spino aside from the fact that it has long legs

[paper oriole]

it could be argued that if jp had some weird stylized compy the isle would have copied it too but both are too generic to really show

[hoary dawn]

design wise they are so different its not even a comparison

[swift dew]

bruh, if you can't see the similarities then im done here

[paper oriole]

both jp spino and isle spino have the shitty little sail

pathetic sail

[hoary dawn]

i dont see how those look the same at all

[molten tulip]

Isle spino would be improved tenfold if they just fixed the terrible face

[paper oriole]

yeah its eye is in the wrong hole it just looks like a stretched rex

[hoary dawn]

the sail is small yes, the legs are long yes, but everything about the physical appearance is different

[paper oriole]

shit face, shit sail, shit legs

[hoary dawn]

these are both small lanky limbed carnivores, but the similarities really just stop there for their looks

[swift dew]

good night vision, hunts in large packs, venomous. hmm

[hoary dawn]

that's gameplay

im talking design

[swift dew]

still design

[paper oriole]

They both got the big eyes and are nocturnal, but yeah its much less if a rip more of a heavy inspiration

[swift dew]

not model design, but its still design

[paper oriole]

The isle troo looks a lot less decrepit

[hoary dawn]

i'll admit troodon's gameplay design is a lot like jp troodon, but in a discussion about the model design they are hardly comparable past their proportions

same with spino

[paper oriole]

Proportions are kinda the biggest factor tho

Changes the whole appearance

The isle spino is almost worse because it has a shitty rex face

[hoary dawn]

worse in terms of staying true to the animal, not in terms of originality

like, if these 2 are similar enough to be called a ripoff then i must be blind

[latent cargo]

@Piggy Yeah I figured, but doesn't mean I can't hope

[hoary dawn]

i would be surprised if galli didn't get the same feathered option treatment things like utah are getting

[barren zephyr]

I hope it does tbh

[paper oriole]

i hope utah doesnt get ugly sleeve feathers and they actually unpronate its arms for the skin variant

[cosmic trellis]

feathered deino

[vale pawn]

feathered fish

[cosmic trellis]

feathered turtle

[paper oriole]

feathered human

[cosmic trellis]

absolutely. feathered human should be a thing no matter what, i entirely approve

[paper oriole]

props to those tenos lmao

[hoary dawn]

herbivores never attack things unprovoked irl

never

[cosmic trellis]

hippos tho

[hoary dawn]

never

[cosmic trellis]

they're exceptions

[paper oriole]

that video of buffalos kosing some lions chilling under a tree was paid actors

[cosmic trellis]

wait I think rhinos do it too

[paper oriole]

yeah rhinos and hippos are kosers too

so toxic

[cosmic trellis]

mostly cuz they can't see so they get scared of everything

[hoary dawn]

even when there's a body down?

[paper oriole]

those damn rhinos, hippos, deer and elephants are breaking the realism rules!!!

[cosmic trellis]

think so, hippos delete other herbis entering the water too

[honest sparrow]

I can’t believe they would do this

Wtf……

[cosmic trellis]

hippo herbi play style wen

[honest sparrow]

Teno by design is an aggressive herbi

[paper oriole]

they should know all herbis are supposed to do is eat grass and wait to get attacked smh

[hoary dawn]

tenonto used to be a hippo in early evrima when it could camp the deeper areas of swamp

[honest sparrow]

The only other ones that seem inherently aggressive by design imo are pachy and theri

[paper oriole]

they should give tenonto an ability to drown smaller dinos like a kangaroo

[honest sparrow]

Oh yeah and shant

Cannot forget shant

[paper oriole]

when they put its diet food in the swamp

shant just punches a deino's skull in like a cardboard box

[cosmic trellis]

tenos luring things into the water to drown them and feed deinos

[paper oriole]

Idk why its kinda funny how the suggestion is about animals working to haul a large carcass but the accompanying picture is just wild dogs ripping a tiny live rabbit in half

Aaand it gone

[hoary dawn]

i wonder why

[vale pawn]

i wonder why

[odd sedge]

Hippos are jerks to everything else

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr Your majesty, we're getting Quetz in the future (around '22-23)

[urban flax]

@olive olive Why do you want Utah's jump to go higher ?

[olive olive]

Because that's one of utah's main ability

[urban flax]

But does it need to be higher ?

[olive olive]

The jump now is too low in comparation with legacy

[urban flax]

Maybe it's that it was too high in legacy

[olive olive]

It's a utah dino, not any dino that can jump

[urban flax]

Exactly, and irl Utah couldn't jump. It's already nice that it can jump in the game

[valid elk]

Okay, what do you guys think of the feathered thing I talked about yesterday

What? Irl Utahraptor can jump.

[urban flax]

It's unlikely

[olive olive]

Okay, you is about utah, and not velociraptor

[urban flax]

Irl Utahraptor was an apex brawler predator, not very fast nor agile

[olive olive]

Sorry me the devs create a velociraptor with the name of Utahtaptor

[safe galleon]

is utah currently able to jump straight onto crates?

[valid elk]

So? It still has the adaptations for RPR, you need to jump on prey to do that.

[urban flax]

Actually it isn't a velociraptor either
It's primal carnage's novaraptor

[urban flax]

Paleontologists think it might have dropped from heights

[olive olive]

"Might"

[valid elk]

Yeah, so..m

It needed a specific geological phenomenon to catch prey items?

Yeah, not likely. It jumped. You don't have to jump thirteen feet in the air, just a few feet is fine

[urban flax]

Anyway TI Utah doesn't need a higher jump

[odd sedge]

Wrong, the isle Utah has nothing to do with a velo unless we're talking about jp

[olive olive]

You know that a utahraptor irl has the same size with a cerato ?

[odd sedge]

Yes. So it jumping is strange in the first place

What's your point?

[valid elk]

What?

[olive olive]

If is only a game fiction, i don't mind but is simple to calculate how high someone can jump based on it's weight and speed...

[valid elk]

Pretty sure Cerato is much bigger now with a new individual

And, also, RPR

[odd sedge]

Still, Utah doesn't need a higher jump. It reaches enough places to sit like a duck

[olive olive]

Because it a damn utahraptor, i don't care that's the ideal jump to be balanced for the game, because is only a game..

[urban flax]

And that's exactly why it needs to be balanced. It's a game.

[olive olive]

His speed has no concordance with his jump

[odd sedge]

None of your points make sense

[odd sedge]

“I don't care about the games balance, I want Utah to jump higher because it's a Utah, even though the irl Utah probably didn't jump“

Is all I'm hearing and it makes no sense

[olive olive]

You both speak like the irl fact must concide with the game facts

Or is a game based or real facts or a games based on fiction

You try to combine both

[urban flax]

Not at all, they're saying you need a better reason than "muh Utah" to ask for a higher jump for it

[odd sedge]

Have you heard of balance, pal?

That's what you look for most

[olive olive]

Imagine that utah gain 1.5x high more

Gonna be a broken character

In your opinion

Killin every dino in a second

With a higher jump

[odd sedge]

First of all, I am having a stroke reading this, second, yes it can be abused, since Utah could potentially jump over attackers

[urban flax]

You're just telling nonsense because you can't find a reason ?

If there is no reason worth a change, changing nothing>making a change

Without saying a higher jump would break the balance, it would do nothing in its favor

[olive olive]

Nevermind, first if all i didn't mention first about "how it is irl" i am aware that is a horror-game but i was talking on the main feature that makes this dino special... how t rex is a bone breaker and giga a bleeder... utah attacks are based on it's jump

[urban flax]

No, on its pounce

[odd sedge]

Tf, Utah isn't unique because of it's jump

[urban flax]

You don't need to jump high to pounce, there is a dedicated button for it

[olive olive]

And you punce with dragging on thr ground ?

[odd sedge]

That would be hypsi

[urban flax]

You pounce by pouncing

[valid elk]

I had a reason to suggest an animation change.

[olive olive]

Pounce is automatic, you just press one click and stay back on your chair

[odd sedge]

[urban flax]

Yeah, and...? How does that justify a higher jump ?

[odd sedge]

I am confusion

[olive olive]

Utah's jump on punce doesn't require skill, but in combat you can use jump to jump over the other dino or something more

[odd sedge]

Which you shouldn't ✨

[olive olive]

Wow

Okay, you are a QA member ?

[urban flax]

One doesn't need to be a QA member to understand how game balance works

[olive olive]

Trust me, balancing is not that simple

How you think

[odd sedge]

Well

No

Not really hard either

[urban flax]

I think if Utah's jump isn't critically unbalanced, there's no reason to change it

Unless you can give me one

[olive olive]

Does't matter, you guys took a role in this place like you own it, go work 1 day on a qa test then talk here

[urban flax]

That could apply for you too

[odd sedge]

Dude, we're asking for a reason. You not giving one just tells how unwell thought out your suggestion is

[tawny juniper]

Same goes for you

When you have 3-4 people all telling you you're wrong, it's pretty likely that you're wrong

[solar peak]

@olive olive could you give me your reasoning to give utahraptor higher jump?

is it not good enough or smth?

[still sinew]

Will herbies ever get walking sniff or did they decide nope on that?

[urban flax]

We don't know, for now it's quite unlikely

[still sinew]

I feel like it was confirmed once and nothing came of it

[urban flax]

If it was confirmed but nothing came out of it then it wasn't really confirmed

[still sinew]

or they just changed their mind

[urban flax]

maybe

[barren zephyr]

yes

it's because Herbi walk sniff isn't a great idea

It allowed Herbis to actively track down and kill carnis (or even herbis)

[still sinew]

they already do that

[barren zephyr]

yes

but imagine it being worse

most of them also hack (using a loop hole) turning off foliage

[still sinew]

Literally only heard about it as like an off hand comment in an old live stream

[barren zephyr]

yes, active scent for herbis was thought of

but they found it was a terrible idea

[still sinew]

yup

now can we talk about all the noise teno makes when laying down or standing? xD

you're kidding

they constantly snort and snuff - like blow your nose and shup - you're gonna get us caught

[paper oriole]

Why the hell does utah meed a higher jump

Its already pretty damn fictionalized

Also walksniff for herbis can easily not be an issue if they just make it so they still have to standsniff for tracks but be able to walk for everything else

[urban flax]

Scrolll up and you'll (not) see

[urban flax]

I think at that point devs don't want to bother adding walking sniff animations for herbis ^^'
It's not necessary for them; it's just QoL, while it's necessary for carnis

[paper oriole]

It is quality of life though

[urban flax]

Carnis need it to track their prey

[paper oriole]

Yeah i know

But it would he quality of life for herbis

Little details stack up to make something unpleasant or fun to play

Having to stop to sniff even more frequently when diets come is just a boring detail for herbis

[still sinew]

I mean honetsly THIS but..

[urban flax]

Yeah that's true

I guess I'm biased against herbis

[still sinew]

any QoL can always be modified to simply make players feel more immersed or less hmmm "uncomfortable"?

I don't knwo the english word for it

[urban flax]

tedious ?

[still sinew]

YES

thank you

[oak tapir]

@olive olive Utah even jumping is impressive , if it jumps higher we’re gonna see some fractured legs

[keen reef]

@red viper

Exactly, this game is supposed to be a game for everybody but what they seem to be doing is just limiting how people can play it the more we go along (global chat removal, unable to use the OG Evrima group system, Cannibalism causing infertility and muscle spasms). Private servers and basic gameplay should allow you to do a lot of these things, and servers with rules and testing combat or just ones that want them should be able to have global chat if they want

There are so many people going "hurr durr global chat bad" and forgetting that some servers heavily rely on it or have a nice preference for it

[solar peak]

@red viper well there's an easy answer to that, The Isle aims for certain gameplay and player experience, and while having global chat in deathmatch servers in which you don't play "properly" is alright, allowing it on any other servers destroys what game wants to deliver, with global chat the isle becomes just a chat room with dinosaurs, it's easy to destroy someone's fun etc, it's important to mention that the isle aims to be horror game too, with which global chat certainly wouldn't help, ambush predators like deinosuchus or herrerasaurus would have hard time playing properly too, as someone would just type in on global chat "3 deinos at center river next to small land mass" and they have to move only cuz that feature exists, while you can say rules would fix that, devs made it very clear that they want to prevent everything that isn't intended with features of our game so that rules won't be need, I hope you understand, feel free to ask me if something is unclear

[paper oriole]

Upvoting your own suggestion

[cloud viper]

[solar peak]

ye I hate that too, but I like when someones upvotes and downvotes it

[paper oriole]

Dammit they removed their self upvote

[solar peak]

[fallen path]

Yeah I accidentally clicked on it, I wanted to see who reacted.

[paper oriole]

I hope feathered utah doesnt still have its ugly goblin arms

[fallen path]

I just realized I reacted to it when u said it

[solar peak]

cannibalism will be part of diets for some creatures, and idk if muscle spasms are confirmed, but if yes then it just prevents ppl from afking

[fallen path]

Yes.

[barren zephyr]

The phrase

[paper oriole]

My heroic catchphrase

[solar peak]

ok you're right I've checked your previous suggestions you didn't upvote them

[valid elk]

Oh, like I stated for my idea?

[paper oriole]

Which one

[fallen path]

But fr guys, bald utah is just ugly

[still sinew]

@olive olive I don't think it's the HEIGHT that needs adjusting I think it's the way you collide with object when jumping -- as is;; if you try to jump onto a rock the rock kinda pushes you back and you lose a lot of momentum.

[fallen path]

It shouldnt be a thing at all

[valid elk]

Scroll up a bit to yesterday

[fallen path]

Maybe the devs should make it possible to have less feathers on your utah, but not bald.

[keen reef]

Still I'd argue that it's important at an option

It's a way some servers people are used to and like. Rule server admins can't monitor the discord 24/7 but it's so much easier to just play the game and look at the global chat. They probably won't let players giving locations get away without punishment anyways as that's a rule on a lot of servers and the existence of rule servers invalidates the idea of "playing how its meant to be played" so why not help them do their jobs and have fun?

It's THE dinosaur game right, that's what they want it to be? And not letting people have basic server communication is what I'd call a pretty bad job at that

Fuck this tiny keyboard, grammar and my life

[paper oriole]

Honestly id even prefer them bringing back the old dakotaraptor model for utah feather skin than them giving it sleeve feathers on its gangly ass pronated hands

[solar peak]

they wanted it to be a survival horror dinosaur and human game

[still sinew]

I think dondi mentioned the reason the utah is nakey nakey is for the JP nostalgia

[valid elk]

The...scrapped Dakotataptor which does not look like Utahraptor?

[paper oriole]

Yeah its a shameless and disappointing jp ripoff

[fallen path]

But didn't the other devs say they wanted to make a realistic game?

[solar peak]

omg I just wrote it in my response to seagull, devs don't want rules to be needed on any servers, only mechanics

[paper oriole]

To be fair our utah doesnt even look like a utah

[still sinew]

Dondi is THE dev my dood

[valid elk]

And which people made theories in the old discord about Dakotaraptor being the Utahraptor feathered alt...and were quickly disproved by the devs.

[fallen path]

I know that

[still sinew]

sooo shuffle up and deal with it

[keen reef]

They've used THE dinosaur game as a term a few times, dinosaur horror and humans isn't THE dinosaur game, that's just Dino crisis multilayer

[solar peak]

@keen reef if you want to discuss about global chat further with me, first read this and feel free to ask/complain about anything

[valid elk]

Technically, Dino Crisis was just Resident Evil with dinosaurs, this is more in line with The Forest.

[still sinew]

This honestly

[valid elk]

So The Isle would be The Forest but with dinosaurs.

Survival horror, bits of lore, mutants and cannibals...

[still sinew]

all the thigs I like - let's goooo

[keen reef]

I'm aware, but they ain't gonna take em down unless they want to lose a good chunk of the player base, so let em have what matters to them, and let people have fun. Games are made for fun, the isle is a borderline sandbox made to fit certain types of people's needs if they want it. Without being able to cater to people who want anything but a grueling deathwatch of dinosaurs in an unforgiving landscape that isn't solved my just a different fucking game mode, it is far from THE dinosaur game, its not even that much of a game at that point

[solar peak]

well I will be honest with you, many ppl will play the game either way if they liked it, if they played it only for global chat then I guess they've wasted their money

[red viper]

You see, I completely agree. But the devs have made clear that they are allowing options for private servers to adjust the gameplay to how they want. I agree with the removal of global chat from official servers and that is how I like the game. Private servers already work in different ways from how the devs intend so why would adding an option for global chat hurt the player experience if the players are choosing to have global chat. They can easily switch to official if they want the true isle epxerience

[keen reef]

I don't really have time to argue about this, but just know that it's pretty fucking stupid that they continue to go in the opposite direction of what them themselves and the people want

[keen reef]

This

If you wanna play the game the dev way, play the official servers or an untampered server

[red viper]

By removing the OPTION it simply hurts other people's experience

[valid elk]

Quick question

[solar peak]

new players come, and they won't always choose officials as first pick, adding global chat to unofficial server ruins their experience, global chat just isn't needed anymore

[keen reef]

Private servers exist for a reason, if they didn't want people to have different options they would only really have officials

[valid elk]

Hey, guys

[solar peak]

option of spending time, not adjusting gameplay

these things differ

[solar peak]

ye?

[valid elk]

What exactly is the issue?

[red viper]

Elaborate on spending time, not sure what you mean

@valid elk debating on whether global chat should be an option for private servers

[keen reef]

People seem to think that there shouldn't be an option to add global to privates, Seagull here wanted to know why not, I agreed with him and said its pretty dumb they can't

[solar peak]

they never wanted a chat simulator, by removing global chat they're making the isle more similar to what they wanted it to be, and as you can see on many suggestions on general feedback, majority of the players don't want global chat

[valid elk]

It should be an option. I hate global chats, they are used for cheating shit. I have been screwed over by different species working together.

However

I do agree that some are helpful. Some

[solar peak]

you sit and you chat with ppl, they don't want afk simulator, diets are coming to stop afking, global chat would only support that

[keen reef]

Good for them, they don't have to spend time on a server with global

[red viper]

But that is people's choice. Just because you dont like playing the game that way, shouldn't mean you restrict people from playing it that way on completely different servers

[solar peak]

I can agree with chat for admins or chat on deathcmatch servers, but not on survival ones

[keen reef]

Literally the gameplay of the fucking game makes talking in chat a bad idea. Chatting a lot makes a lot of noise and can get you killed, but players shouldn't be denied that if that's what they want

[valid elk]

Foniu has a point.

It is called survival, can't have a Deinosuchus helping you while you are playing Maia, gotta figure that shit out yourself.

[solar peak]

no one said anything about not liking that kind of gameplay, it's what devs don't like and want to stop it, that's their choice not mine, I just agree with them

[red viper]

Every server should be official if they dont want private servers to mess with the gameplay

[solar peak]

by messing with gameplay they meant playables etc, not something that ruins gameplay and experience like global chat

[red viper]

The experienced isnt ruined if people choose it to be that way. Why cant people go to global chat servers if they want global chat. And everyone else can go to official or no global chat servers

[valid elk]

Besides, voice chats will exist once Mercs are in.

[keen reef]

They shouldn't want to stop it lol its a borderline sandbox and they've stated they want it to be for mostly everyone of age that's into Dino survival shit and yet they continue to contradict themselves

[red viper]

Adding the option wouldnt hurt anyone. It only hurts people by removing it

[keen reef]

Exactly

[valid elk]

But it isn't boderline sandbox. Pretty soon you will have to do survival stuff, such as expanding on dietary systems, migrations, new areas, etc etc etc. You cannot use the game as is for the game in the future, you also have to think about all the things that will be added in, plus what you want.

Look at it this way

[solar peak]

if you want to just sit there and chat go play vrchat or smth, it ruins the gameplay, it doesn't help the game, just breaks it, there will be many countermeasures to stop afking, and global chat would support that, for now the isle isn't developed to be fun enough, but at some point we just won't need global chat to make this game fun, and even now it would hurt player experience

[valid elk]

If I play Triceratops on a server, I cannot and should not ask for help when it comes to dietary neess to a Utahraptor. If global exists, I can and will cheat the system and it will become an actual sandbox for me. I don't like that.

[tawny juniper]

The isle is a survival game not chat simulator

If you want chat simulator

go to roblox

[solar peak]

vrchat is also an option

or just use damn discord

[keen reef]

It doesn't ruin experience at all, it's it's option for people and it's good for new players. Most people that get the isle, infact no, most people in general don't want to spend hours and hours and lives and lives just to figure out what they can and can't do. Who gives a shit if a guy on a server wants to tell the new fella what a Carno can and can't fight, they both chose to play on that server and if the admins see em say something they don't like or is against the rules they'll be punished

[valid elk]

Who puts an ❌ on an idea and doesn't tag the person

[solar peak]

wdym

[tawny juniper]

You see and that is why the gods have blessed us with #isle-discussion

And also there's a wiki

So

[still sinew]

I love how people are arguing about global chat on PRIVATE servers ruining gameplay as if their very existence would ruin it for everyone that OWNS the game... xD

[keen reef]

People don't want to just chat though, they want to chat and have fun on dinosaur game, they shouldn't be denied that

[valid elk]

Someone put an ❌ on my idea, but didn't tag me with what they found problematic.

[red viper]

I KNOW. I AGREE WITH YOU. I AGREE THAT IT WOULD HURT THE GAMEPLAY. So that's why I play on officials only. But other people like it. So why not give them the space to do so since it was already in previous. I understand how it would hurt the gameplay. So instead explain to me why there shouldn't be an OPTION for private servers

[valid elk]

Here is the thing though. This isn't just a dinosaur game.

[solar peak]

I explained that already, devs don't want rules in game, they want mechanics to be able to make it fun and playable without need of having admins

[still sinew]

do you have a source to back up this claim?

[solar peak]

I already explained that tho

[keen reef]

And yet there's nothing they can do about rule servers without making everything official so...

[red viper]

Could you reiterate, I must of not understood

[solar peak]

idk just read devblogs or be active on isle discussions or smth, channel was wiped like a week ago so I can't search for anything

[tawny juniper]

Yes there is, You can implement optional mechanics, like he's saying

[keen reef]

No ones experience will be ruined if they add it

No one will care I'd it's optional

If you do you're a little baby

Simple as

[tawny juniper]

It isn't about ruining experiences it's about immersion and because people used global to do stupid shit

[keen reef]

Yeah? Let em

[tawny juniper]

They did let them and now global is gone, honestly it's better this way

[still sinew]

sounds liek a cop out - sounds like you want everyone to play the way YOU think is best and if they're not - even if they're in a dif private server than you that SOMEHOW ruins YOUR experience

[tawny juniper]

It makes you go out and do stuff for fun rather than sit in a bush and talk

[keen reef]

I don't want it on officials, I never would, that's where I play, but give ek the option

[tawny juniper]

well too bad, devs say it's gone until mod support

[keen reef]

Yeah it's kinda a biased thing tbh. I don't really like global, but I'm not gonna say "waaaaaa no one should be able to have fun but me and my tastes"

[tawny juniper]

But the thing is nobody is saying that

[solar peak]

new players come in, they don't always choose officials, join to a server and have global chat, that was first example, second one: devs want to give ppl certain experience after playing their game, THEY choose what we can do, if you want global chat it will be probably possible to bring it back with mods, but if DEVS don't want smth they shouldn't be adding it only cuz some ppl want to have chat room in dinosaur game, it's like you order them, even tho it's their choice what kind of game they want

[solar peak]

what?

[tawny juniper]

I don't understand what about global is so needed, all that it was used for was chatting and hardly anything important

[still sinew]

Yeah I agree I don't need global to enjoy the game but doesn't ruin my immersion. So why not have the option on private servers? It affect LITTERALLY no one that does WANT to play on the server

[tawny juniper]

The point of the game isn't to talk to people it's to be survive as a dinosaur (currently)

[solar peak]

it hurts game opinion

[still sinew]

Game opinion? Explain.

[red viper]

True, true. I still disagree with you about a few things but you make some good points. I'm kinda tired of this now. Have a good day yall

[keen reef]

It shouldn't be too bad though, and the devs are lucky we have basically nowhere else to go and we have to put up with them. If this genre had competition some of these dev decisions would've drove people off

[tawny juniper]

BoB

[solar peak]

if they want it to be survival horror game, I don't think they want everyone to be talking about "oh buy the isle cuz it's nice to chat on it and play dinosaur at the same time, it's pretty chill" and as you can see they show it with their actions by deleting global chat

[solar peak]

no problem have a good day

[tawny juniper]

Your lucky the devs are developing this game

[still sinew]

"oh buy the isle cuz it's nice to chat on it and play dinosaur at the same time, it's pretty chill" Lol SAID NO ONE EVER haha

[keen reef]

Who is it hurting, the people who aren't playing on the servers? I am also tired of this, and would like to just do my own thing

[solar peak]

PoT, BoB, Saurian, and as you can see the isle is still the most successful one

[solar peak]

many ppl said that, even soviet womble mentioned that on his video, and he has a pretty big audience

[tawny juniper]

Then go wait until it's modded back in, then you can have the fun of sitting in a bush and talking to people. Something you can do in literally every other game with a global chat system

[solar peak]

OMG I HAVE FUCKING PERFECT EXAMPLE FOR THAT

[still sinew]

It's literally a non issue - why do the devs care so much what people do on private servers anyway? somehow I REALLY doubt they actually do lol

[tawny juniper]

You know roblox has it, and it's free why don't you go play that

[solar peak]

like league of legends, they have their chat etc, and they are known for one of the most toxic communities

[tawny juniper]

There's literally a game on roblox that is a ripoff of the isle, go play that it has chat

[still sinew]

why would I chat with literal children?

[solar peak]

cuz it's THEIR game? it's their dream, they want to share smth with the world and it's THEIR choice, they want a survival horror game, and they will make it, they don't need opinions such as "ye it's pretty nice and I was able to chill with few ppl here"

[still sinew]

who cares? it would be a private server - stop boot-licking for the devs - you do not 100% know their reason for SPECIFICALLY not giving private servers the option for global. personally I don't care if their's never a global but I find it irksome that you think you KNOW everything about what the devs want.

[tawny juniper]

I 100% know their reason is that it doesn't fit their mold of the game they are making

[still sinew]

Site your source for this information.

[tawny juniper]

The devs

[solar peak]

ok well if you don't believe me that much you can just stick around and see what they have to say, sometimes some of them are online so feel free to ask what experience they want to give off, and why they don't want global chat back, I'm done with you for now since you're getting a bit toxic

by being online I mean thay are active on chat

mostly #isle-discussion

so gl with that cya

[still sinew]

was that so hard?

OH LOOK

[tawny juniper]

No, But we can't really have an honest discussion if everytime we bring up a point you just assume we're lying

[solar peak]

just gonna tell you it was a year ago

[solar peak]

and that's from 3 months ago

[still sinew]

That. solves that.

[solar peak]

.

[solar peak]

can you read or are you just ignoring it?

[still sinew]

Can you?

[solar peak]

ye like I said, it was an year ago and the most recent screen is from like 3 months

[tawny juniper]

You telling me to "site my sources" about the devs not not wanting it, Bet you've never even checked what the devs ave said about it before because obviously that message gave you an epiphany

[solar peak]

even more like year and half

[still sinew]

Omg... Shhhh listen;; I can SEEEEEEEEE their reasoning. do you SEEE that it also says;; Global will be available as a server option.

[tawny juniper]

I understand what that says I can read

[still sinew]

Then what's the problem? The problem is solved as far as I can tell.

[tawny juniper]

My point is that you obviously had never even looked at what devs had said about it before now, and never bothered to check before complaining

[still sinew]

I wasn't the one complaining... My point was that it's irksome to be down on the option for private servers.

[tawny juniper]

You've been complaining about how they should add it for private servers this whole time... Without even bothering to check whether or not it was confirmed to be not coming

[still sinew]

Mmmno -- all I said was, in short;; saying "waaa it should never be an option ever" is irksome.

Period. I even said I don't care if it's never in the game. but for people who want it -- why not?

[tawny juniper]

You've also been saying "Even though the devs don't want it we should be getting it because we want it"

[still sinew]

because "waa my immersion" sounds like people are just being unreasonable.

I never said WE

[tawny juniper]

I never said waaa

[still sinew]

I said there is Nothing wrong with people wanting it in private servers

[tawny juniper]

You obviously don't understand or comprehend what I'm saying

I'm done with this

[still sinew]

Good cause they're probably putting it in as an option. Everyone's happy. yaaay. k bye

[sudden hinge]

I hope they dont

global has been such a bad thing for the isle

[still sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[sudden hinge]

@short grotto this sounds like a balancing nightmare

[swift dew]

you do know that this was almost a year ago right? and that around 3 months ago they said it wasn't returning? so are you going to trust the newer source, or the source that most likely has outdated information, but suits you better?

[sudden hinge]

@still sinew and with more admin tools coming even the constructive things global may have done in the past are going to be useless

[sudden hinge]

you tell them drop that knowledge

[still sinew]

I don't care. I just like people havign options on private servers

[sudden hinge]

Its bad for the game and just leads to grieving

[still sinew]

Private server.

[sudden hinge]

Its bad for private servers as well

[swift dew]

there will be options, I don't understand how not having global makes means you wont have options

[still sinew]

I don't care it's their decision for their server.

[sudden hinge]

Global literally just made the game chat sim and if you want a game with global play bob or path

[swift dew]

anyway it doesn't matter, global isnt returning untill you mod it back in. simple as that

[sudden hinge]

it wont be if the devs have anything to say about it lol

[swift dew]

this discussion was honestly pointless

[sudden hinge]

same as how hopefully growing players shouldnt be a thing for private servers either

and did you miss when piggy literally debunked this post

[still sinew]

w-wah

[sudden hinge]

like you do know the devs have redacted this statement

[short grotto]

I personally like no global chat in evirma just because it removes toxicity

[still sinew]

okay - do you have a screen shot to prove this?

[sudden hinge]

Piggy do you have it i dont have any on me

[still sinew]

I don't care one way or the other I just like it when private servers have options.

[short grotto]

But if global chat gets added then us who like global gone can just not be in global

[swift dew]

you clearly didn't listen to what I just said that this is a year old source that is most likely outdated because it contradicts what has been said more recently, you are straight up ignoring things that go agaist your argument, im done here, people that do that cannot be reasoned with. have a good day.

[short grotto]

Is it an unpopular opinion to like the fact we can't group unless we 2 call someone?

[sudden hinge]

no thats fine i like it as well

[short grotto]

Also has there been a mutual agreement yet that herbivores should be able to mix pack but carnivores can't?

Or do people not want that

[swift dew]

its a good idea, but it would be better if it was a 5 call instead, since sometimes I just wan't to let someone know im friendly without trying to group with them

or hold down 2

[sudden hinge]

With diets i dont think itll be a good idea to mix pack there might be some that do but most shouldnt

[short grotto]

How is diets even gonna work? I know it makes dinos unable to eat certain plants bt like.. we can only eat grass and one specific bush I'm convinced doesn't exist in evirma

[still sinew]

Bro, I'm happy to listen and change my mind - but I won't go on blind faith in people. If you can show me a screen shot please do, if not then /shrug
"The burden of proof lies with someone who is making a claim"

[sudden hinge]

we are getting alot of plant variants in update 4 that comes with diets and ambient ai for the carnis

[swift dew]

you can eat a variety of plants, but there are certain plants that if you don't eat (which are your favorite foods) you will start gaining debuffs

[sudden hinge]

You are the one making the claim that its coming back with a year old post

[swift dew]

essentially all plants fill your hunger and keep you alive, but only certian ones keep you strong healthy

same goes for carnivores except for certain kinds of meat

[still sinew]

I showed the proof I had -- if Piggy has counter evidence I would be inclined to agree.

[tawny juniper]

How are you supposed to have an honest discussion with someone if you just assume they're lying everytime they bring up a point without evidence

[still sinew]

I have never called anyone a liar. And it's not at all unreasonable to ask for proof of a claim.

[sudden hinge]

literally ask punch

[still sinew]

You want me to bother a dev?

[tawny juniper]

I understand that you never called anyone a liar, But everytime someone brings up a counter-point. You assume they are lyng unless they have evidence

[sudden hinge]

Yes next time hes in chat ask because i doubt youll believe anyone otherwise

[short grotto]

;-;

[still sinew]

I'm not like -- grilling you guys for HARD PROOF -- I just wann see a screen shot or something - geez

[short grotto]

I went to get a donut and came back to war

[swift dew]

or just dm him now

[tawny juniper]

when you get a chance post his response here and ping me pls

[sudden hinge]

Im sick of this mentality tho like its so simple to ask the overall source about whats coming to the game and your over here acting like Dryo

[still sinew]

Yes um excuse me punch could plz drop everything and answer all of my questions

[tawny juniper]

like dryo?

[sudden hinge]

Dryo the user on here

[still sinew]

lol I was like huh xD

[swift dew]

just dm him, he will probably get around to it relativly quick

[sudden hinge]

He literally asks for a source on everything

[tawny juniper]

Or alternatively... Punch I have a question, is global ever going to come back in an official way other than mods, i.e. a toggleable setting on community servers?

[sudden hinge]

yeah punch is pretty good about answering questions

[still sinew]

No, dood I'm not bothering a dev - their busy - most likely.

[swift dew]

thats literally his job, he is the community guy

[still sinew]

also what question exactly would I ask him?

[sudden hinge]

yeah he literally is the community guy

[tawny juniper]

Punch I have a question, is global ever going to come back in an official way other than mods, i.e. a toggleable setting on community servers?

[still sinew]

Alright The burden of proof is on you - get to it. I'm not gonna bother a dev, that literally just be rude.

[tawny juniper]

He's literally the community guy

His job is basically this

[sudden hinge]

Its his job you are just being difficult lol

[still sinew]

I fear that's a vastly over simplification of his role.

[tawny juniper]

You know what then fuck it

Don't ask for evidence and tell everyone their wrong if youa ren't going to bother to ask

[sudden hinge]

questions like this are literally apart of his job

[tawny juniper]

You're the one claiming it's coming back and that everyone is wrong well then go ahead and confirm it

[sudden hinge]

And actually the burden of proof falls on you. You are the one claiming itll come back with nothing but a year old screenshot before they even took out global chat. You are the one that needs to solidify your claim

[still sinew]

Never said anyone was wrong either. I only gave the VERY LITTLE proof I had. and I will say it AGIAN I literally don't care if it comes back or not -- I JUST like the idea of server options. period.

[solar peak]

you said you're not saying someone was wrong or is lying but you still don't accept anything if you don't have a proof for it which is pretty similar lol

[still sinew]

Nah, I think it's more of a matter of people being unreasonably defensive of their claims or opinions. I just want to see the objective source of our points. If someone can not handle some rando that doesn't just agree/believe them. I'm not saying "everyone is wrong or lying" I'm saying I have no reason to trust someone at face value when their are biased in favor of their point.

I welcome being proven wrong. If the only screen shot I have can be countered then by all means - please do.

[tawny juniper]

Yeah- It's a year and a half old

[hoary dawn]

i mean yea the screenshot is from like half a year before global was removed, and since then there have been multiple dev comments saying global wont return unless its with modding

[still sinew]

Denim jeans were invented in 1873 - but just because that is old doesn't make the fact less true

[solar peak]

here you go lol

removed entirely

[tawny juniper]

So now you're comparing denim jeans to your evidence of global chat possibly coming back

you good?

[solar peak]

ok and?

[still sinew]

You're kidding... I was comparing saying it's old is meaningless.

[tawny juniper]

I understand

[solar peak]

idk wdym by sending that screenshot

[tawny juniper]

So your point is denim jeans have meaning

[still sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/umm-confused-blinking-okay-white-guy-blinking-gif-7513882

yeah - yup -- you got me

[hoary dawn]

its different when the old quote has since been made irrelevant due to new decisions and information

[tawny juniper]

There's a difference between an invention of clothing a century and a half ago still being used, and a dev message saying something will happen that's a year old

What is your point with jeans

[solar peak]

still, could you explain me why you sent that?

[tawny juniper]

"Oh clothing can stay in style for a long time, so this means that devs will stay true to things they said a year and a half ago"

[hoary dawn]

it was also once said that we would be getting new playables every month

[still sinew]

because the older second post says that it will be available as a server option

[cosmic trellis]

think they mean that global being an option came after punch mentioning it being removed entirely

[tawny juniper]

Maybe if they start developing a game they will realize that plans can change XD

[tawny juniper]

But the newer first one says it is removed

[solar peak]

ye the OLDER one from year and half ago, you asked us to send where did they say that global isn't coming back and I sent it, idk what more do you need lol

[hoary dawn]

the newer quote saying that global was removed to improve the game is way more credible than an almost year old quote

[still sinew]

Yes - but it COULD still be a server option. Later. And unless I see them say it wont I have no reason to beleive it's 100% gone forever

[solar peak]

"removed entirely"

[hoary dawn]

they have said it wont

[tawny juniper]

If you're really going to keep saying it's coming back after this many people have told you it's not why don't you go talk to punch and ask them if it's coming back

[still sinew]

Do you have a screen of them saying this -- I would really like to see it - so this can end. lol

[solar peak]

we even sent ss of dev saying it won't lol

[hoary dawn]

its difficult to provide quotes of them saying it wont cuz punch thought it would be a good idea to remove years worth of dev quotes by replacing isle discussion

[solar peak]

I JUST SENT IT WTF

[tawny juniper]

If you want it to end go ask punch in dms, damn do you listen

[still sinew]

SPECIFICALLY that the server option won't happen?

[solar peak]

YES REMOVED ENTIRELY

[cyan flame]

@still sinewhttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/838656900995481649/Screenshot_20210503-000121_Discord.jpg

[still sinew]

Omg that's literally not the same as - "AND there is not plans for a server option"

[tawny juniper]

That's not enough evidence for them because it does have the exact wording they want 😛

[cyan flame]

It's gone, it won't be a server option as it stands right now, this is confirmed. It'll have to be modded in, or it won't be a thing at all.

[still sinew]

yeah pretty much xD

[cyan flame]

It is, "global is being removed entirely".

There is no server option because there is no chat in the first place.

[solar peak]

ok fuck this lol there's no point in speaking with you, have a good day

[tawny juniper]

I'll be back when punch answers the question

[still sinew]

I mean there are no chat option at all now lol

[cyan flame]

Local chat is still a thing? :p

[tawny juniper]

That's just incorrect

[cyan flame]

Anyway, you got your answer, if it's not good enough, go ask Punch. I need to go, so no time for you lot! :p

[still sinew]

You really thought I meant "there is not chat"? XDD

[tawny juniper]

That is literally what you said

So yes

[hoary dawn]

this isn't exactly the quote im looking for, but its basically what the devs have said, global is gone and will only return in the form of community mods

[tawny juniper]

You mean literally what you said?

[still sinew]

Holy wow you found it NOICE

[hoary dawn]

if punch didn't wipe out all the old dev quotes this would be much easier 🥲

[still sinew]

you wizard

[hoary dawn]

multiple devs have stated multiple times that global is gone for good and will return only with modding, its just that we dont have access to those quotes

ima continue digging through old news videos to find em

[still sinew]

Hey man I just wanted to see a screenshot

[still sinew]

OPTIONS. OPTIONS is the KEY word

We have ONE-ish Chat [local/group]

[feral solstice]

It’s only local

[still sinew]

fair

Also I got double proof for you guys

is everyone satisfied? 8D

[manic flint]

Idk y ppl want global so much. It didn't really add anything to the game besides interspecies conversation, which shouldn't be in The game at all

[urban flax]

YES
The sharkmaster giga suggestion is back !!!

[still sinew]

I dunno man, for the same reason people think 2 call group doesn't cause groups to get borked up when juvies run up to you and spam it

Both global and the 2 call group system can be used to grief people.

[paper oriole]

Gigashark makes its glorious return

[urban flax]

I thought it was gone forever

[still sinew]

GIGASHARK!? yes.

[sonic mural]

[paper oriole]

Lmaooo

All caps, begging for friendly fire removal. Comedy

[safe galleon]

@zinc moss calm down

[paper oriole]

Uncoordinated packs deserve to be punished by their mistakes

[sonic mural]

^

Utah packs would basically just run up and swarm everything without much hesitation too

[still sinew]

pmuch all of that -- I don't mind the idea of mitigated damage to group mates but no damage? nahhh dood that's broken.

[paper oriole]

Group damage is already reduced afaik, would be totally busted if packs could just dogpile or juvies could stand under adults and be immune to small game opportunists

[weak dove]

Group members should take extra damage when attacking each other. YOu shouldnt be attacking your friend in the first place

[paper oriole]

I have an even better idea, biting a group member should auto remove them from your group and give them a vengeance damage boost against you

[swift dew]

or just make all people take the same amount of damage to all people, if I swing a bat at someone and accidentally hit a child that ran in front, that child won't be any less hurt than the person I was actually trying to hit.

[hybrid matrix]

Hippos are omnivores
They eat everything

[tawny juniper]

hippos are herbivores that are really agressive

wait

maybe not

[swift dew]

hippos are herbivorous omnivores, kinda like how dogs are carnivorous omnivores

[barren zephyr]

Yeah pretty sure hippos are known to consume meat sometimes

[hybrid matrix]

Thats from almost a year ago
They changed their minds

Can we just appreciate giga shark?

[swift dew]

giga shark

lmao someone is actually thinking about that

[paper oriole]

Of course, it is a genius idea

[swift dew]

[paper oriole]

I think they forgot to add though that giga should be able to run at 50km/h as well, then it will be perfectly balanced

[quaint spruce]

true

[quaint spruce]

giga should be literally 10x better than it is in legacy

[safe galleon]

yes, instead of 3 shotting rexes and trikes giga should just apply max bleed to any creature within a 4 mile radius by just 3 roaring

[outer condor]

By simply looking up

[barren zephyr]

By simply pressing w

[paper oriole]

Each time a giga broadcasts a random player is sent back to selection screen and their dinos body is teleported to the giga

[quaint spruce]

lmaooo

[weak dove]

what do you guys think about my giga suggestion

[barren zephyr]

[paper oriole]

It is certainly a good start but i think giga is still underpowered

[safe galleon]

yes very funny giga shark,

you're not my ratguzzler tho

[outer condor]

Anytime a giga does a 3 call all other apexes except gigas will die

[weak dove]

ratguzzler ?

[barren zephyr]

sus

[safe galleon]

a legend some say, a myth

[paper oriole]

Didnt rat also make a 50km/h giga suggestion as well as the gigashark

[outer condor]

The man the myth the legend

[quaint spruce]

giga will be good bc hes huge hes fast and applies bleed totally opposite play style of rex which i like and perfer

[weak dove]

Oh! that also reminds me

I wanna make a suggestion on making sucho the female dimorphism for spino

but darn suggestion cooldown

i think sucho is waisted playable space but it would be cool for some extreme dimorphism among animals

could have a different niche from the male who is more aquatic

[quaint spruce]

i like your nickname bc ima be in the same boat

[outer condor]

Suggestion where acro is just male giga

[weak dove]

that could be cool 😲

austro could be a female utah

[quaint spruce]

anyone wanting to play alberto?

[outer condor]

Velo could be male troodon

[safe galleon]

quetz is female ptera since it doesn't have the crest

[barren zephyr]

Tribal could me male merc

[paper oriole]

If quetz is female ptera then male pteras can be like that one species of anglerfish where it just attaches to the female with its face and shrivels away so the female can nest

[barren zephyr]

[honest sparrow]

Lmao add this

[paper oriole]

Immersive gameplay

[outer condor]

No compys with herra or dilo

[cosmic trellis]

whoever told me hippos were omnivores i actually didn't know that, thanks for lettin me know XD

[valid elk]

I wish some people would tag me and tell me why they don't like it instead of going ❌

[severe idol]

Reactions cost nothing, no confrontation. It's why they're horrible.

[valid elk]

Right?

Like...tag me here and just tell me why you dislike the idea. It could help me improve upon it!

[paper oriole]

What would be the point of grabbing a part as deino if you cant perform your killer move? Also grabbing a stego tail seems like a poor idea lol

[compact hare]

"hold on let me bite these giant spikes rq"

[paper oriole]

If a deino bites a stego's tail it should kebab itself

[sinful widget]

hey i was wondering something.... does the isle run on linux based operating systems? like endless OS for example

[paper oriole]

A tug-of-war was a planned thing wasnt it

[feral solstice]

I thought it was

[paper oriole]

Idk if it still is

[feral solstice]

But people in isle discussion said it apparently isn’t anymore

[paper oriole]

Like maybe it was too difficult to code

Only reason i could see them dropping it, similar with group corpse dragging

Which was stated to be a disaster to make

[feral solstice]

It would’ve been nice yeah

But with the amount of code required to implement that..
God I can only smell the bugs

[hybrid matrix]

Does that guy not understand that even if water reduced fall damage it'd have to be a very small difference and it would only make sense if the water were pretty deep

Deep relative to the height of the fall and the size of the dino

[fallen path]

@feral solstice thx

[hybrid matrix]

@lethal ravine

[lethal ravine]

its jsut some basic codin

i mean obviously it has to be realistic and not be dumb, Like when a hypsi or ptera jump into water they shouldnt really hit the bottom and get hurt, but if a full grown carno does it then off course it would make sense that it goes deeper and probs takes sum damage etc

[hybrid matrix]

again, depends on the depth of the water and the size of the dino

[sonic mural]

If I see one more god damn feedback talking about not being able to hurt a member of ur group I’m gonna lose it😂

[manic flint]

Yea it's so dumb

If I punch my friend when trying to punch someone else my fist doesn't faze through them now does it

[limber hull]

idk about you but all my friends are entirely immune to any attack i give them. you guys need better friends

[manic flint]

Lmao

That's less fun

Friendly fire is great
Irl and otherwise

[cosmic trellis]

lmao imagine not turning off friendly fire irl lmaoooooooooo

[limber hull]

honestly, shallows in Redwoods would fit

[oak tapir]

@barren zephyr Bary is sucho just smaller and faster and less grow time , it’s good if you don’t wanna play sucho and don’t want a 4 hour growth

[paper oriole]

Lmao this person making a second friendly fire removal request, do people stop and think about basic balance when they make these horrid suggestions? Also

Upvoting your own suggestion

[odd sedge]

@oak tapir
May I add,
Sucho could also inhabit those white waters, as it's a heavy wader and could be less to not affected by the currents at all. Essentially being a bear

[pulsar lake]

Friendly fire would be completely stupid if it is 100% damages

Then you have players going all for a same target in a same time and trying to out dps them without worrying to bite each others

[paper oriole]

Friendly fire removal would only punish outnumbered players and reward uncoordinated groups and megapacks

Also removing sound after death because the noises trigger them? What are they doing in a PvP horror survival game?
And making the respawn in the same zone only 30sec encourages revenge harassing your injured opponent with juvie respawns

Or spawning in as a hypsi or some shit after dying to help your pack

[urban flax]

Yeah that suggestion just looks like what not to do to make a good game

[paper oriole]

Upvoting your own suggestion

[odd sedge]

Yikes

[low flame]

@lethal ravine adding dinos just for the sake of adding dinos wont help the game and will just bog down development even further, especially if they are similar to existing ones. We already have 40+ dinos planned, in addition to humans, cannibals, and strains, most of which will take years to be added to the game.

[lethal ravine]

i know, just thinking as temporary ones just to keep some variety idk

[urban flax]

Temporary dinos is the worst idea ever

[silent current]

[lethal ravine]

kek i know

[tender latch]

@broken thorn Lol, that's something I was thinking about suggesting around a year ago, and Half-Life 2 and its episodes were also my inspiration for that idea, but never actually suggested it, funny coincidence

[broken thorn]

Haha, i always thought it was really cool and simple, especially for a dinosaur game, it would give it even more charm. There was actually something like that in Isle at one point wasn't there?

[tender latch]

Yeah in like 2017 but it wasn't quite like the HL2 ones because nothing much really happened in it

[broken thorn]

This one right?

[tender latch]

Yeah

[broken thorn]

I haven't been playing at that time but i've seen it

[odd sedge]

@oblique jay
I don't really understand what you mean

[oblique jay]

@odd sedge ok

[tender latch]

@odd sedge I think he means the alpine/evergreen forest environments from legacy

[oak tapir]

I really hope all these are accurate to their weight , so they can’t be lunge by asshat deinos

Pachyrhino should be like 4.01 tons , just So deinos don’t lunge it

[swift dew]

deino can lunge that pachyrhino

[swift dew]

oh

[icy lion]

#4,001kgSucho

[oak tapir]

5,000

[oak tapir]

Wish it couldn’t, like loook at pachyrhino shape , a deino can’t wrap its jaws around it

Deino shouldn’t lunge sucho , 2 suchos maybe could barley kill a deino

[swift dew]

I hope they add something where deino can lunge animals that are too big to just pick up, it would grab and drag them into the water

[oak tapir]

No

[swift dew]

why not

[urban flax]

<@&401466542140817419> For your collection

[swift dew]

I assume this is a scam
<@&401466542140817419>

[tawny juniper]

<@&401466542140817419> sus link thing

Sorry didn't realize others had already pinged

[swift dew]

oh shit its in almost every channel

[cosmic trellis]

the big slap for sucho to finess deinos

[odd sedge]

Agreed.
I was thinking about letting Sucho grab prey to hold it in place, since Deino can lunge.
But in order to make a fight between those two creatures not worth it, since they may share habitats, Deino shouldn't be able to lunge Sucho and Sucho shouldn't be able to grab Deino, thus making them sort of 'equal' and not worth the risk

[swift dew]

except hyenas are at the top of the food chain and troodons are at the very bottom

[hoary dawn]

iirc devs confirmed that dimorphism wouldn't effect size

also if female troodon's are stronger than males then people would only ever play female

[manic flint]

They'd probably leave eachother alone, sucho is too heavy to lunge and both are pretty strong, so

[barren zephyr]

200% agree. the devs need to hear this

[feral solstice]

Pretty sure that’s already the plan lol

[tawny juniper]

And hyenas haven't really got anything to do with poison/venom

Other than the fact that they give infections because their mouth is full of rotting carcass germs

[potent ruin]

@glass mulch couldnt larger animals get through the river?

Like dienosuchus?

[swift dew]

that river is not very big

[glass mulch]

I mean, that river isn't wide at all

you can compare it to magy

A deino isn't fitting in here

[vale pawn]

the river is 50 meters deep

[glass mulch]

A juvie deino sure, but an adult would have a really bad time trying to get through

[potent ruin]

So it a stream more

[glass mulch]

More or less yeah

[swift dew]

another thing, if you thought it would be too safe for the creatures inside, is that they are fucked when a drought comes and have to leave because I doubt that tiny little stream is going to stay a stream and not dry up during a drought

[steady lintel]

Nice idea I always wanted a sanctuary idea for juvies and smaller dinos that kinda played like it’s own ecosystem separate from the biggest dino wins one

[glass mulch]

I mean, nothing is safe considering that animals like titanoboa, megalania, ceratosaurus and even things like Utahraptor can get in with relative ease

[swift dew]

also diet food shouldn't spawn inside

[compact hare]

And quetz

[glass mulch]

Oh, quetz would have an easy time in there

[vale pawn]

flippy flappy over the whole thing

[swift dew]

fuck, I was going to say something but forgot right before I said it

[glass mulch]

Maybe not for all playables but I would say that absurdly energy rich food for bronto, camara and brachi should be situated in the middle so that the havens are constantly in danger

[swift dew]

ooh, thats a good idea, to encourage them to open a hole into the sanctuary

[glass mulch]

Mhm, and in turn an Allo or two might slip in, this also creates a bit of player behaviour that could work pretty weirdly, such as apex packs following/stalking sauropod herds

only problem would be that if this encourages mix packing, which it shouldn't

but that could also work for giant herbivore herds

[vale pawn]

a juv rex comes in, grows, and is stuck there forever

[glass mulch]

animals now have reason to stick around eachother, especially stuff like brachi

could lead into giant herbivore herds gathering to break into these havens to just fill your diet

which in turn would be absolutely horrible for the haven dwellers

which might make them hyper aggressive towards other herbivores, idk how long this player mindset would go or if it would even be there at all but still

[manic flint]

Love that idea

[oblique jay]

yes ur right

[meager tiger]

Why are so many peolple against teradactyl picking up other smaller animals?

And carrying them to its nest or dropping them

Dont lots of birds do that?

[solar peak]

birds and pterosaurs aren't the same thing tho

[meager tiger]

Can a teradactyl grab with its feet

[void torrent]

Hey developers!
I really wanted to tell this suggestion what is a must have in the game i think.
That we are really need a cool down for the 1 call! And only for the 1 call. Like a 2 min cool down. So people only will use that if there is a real reason for it. Couse now its still annoying that everyone just pressit a one hundred times in a minute. And also this would increase the 1 call "value" as well.
Thank you.

[paper oriole]

No

And it shouldnt

[honest sparrow]

No, as they are quite weak and not built for grabbing

[paper oriole]

Its feet look like bowtie pasta it aint grabbing shit with those

[meager tiger]

can it use its mouth

[paper oriole]

Its like the feet children draw where the toes are just little points

[solar peak]

that's not a channel for that, suggestions like that belong to #general-feedback only, but you already put it here soo..

[meager tiger]

and stab something

or scoop something

[paper oriole]

It can grab fish

[meager tiger]

why fish only?

[paper oriole]

Because its paper weight

[meager tiger]

think of the giant teradactyl quetz. Can it really not scoop some baby little chicken sized runt

[paper oriole]

Teradactyl lol

[solar peak]

wth is teradactyl

[honest sparrow]

It can probably pick up some tiny stuff by stabbing it but Ptera cannot pick up anything bigger than like a fish

[meager tiger]

im thinking something like apelican. pelicans scoop not grab

[paper oriole]

Quetz might be another subject, it could probably grab small tiers and inhale them like a pelican

[oak tapir]

@barren zephyr Bruh troodon is nothing like a hyena , BRUH It is a mimicking night hunter , We dont need fucking....Mammal type bs (basically comparing these dinos to living mammals today like lions n shit)

[meager tiger]

What about mammal reptile hybdrids

like dimotrdon

[paper oriole]

No ????

[meager tiger]

dimodon

[paper oriole]

Lmao

[honest sparrow]

I gotta admit

[meager tiger]

dimetrodon?

[honest sparrow]

This is some grade S+ trolling

[solar peak]

[paper oriole]

Add dimodon dondi

[meager tiger]

Whose dimodon dondi

Thats not a animal

[oak tapir]

Troodon is a small animal that is useless alone , But with the use of venom it can take on pray MUCH larger than it in a pack , and at daytime it isn't really a threat , but at night time it is since it is nocturnal

[limber hull]

what is this hyena thing lmao

[meager tiger]

A dimetrdon is the lizard with a big sail on its back. It lived before the triassic i think

its got warm blood though

so its half mammal

half reptile

[paper oriole]

No...

[limber hull]

dont birds also have warm blood and are very related to dinos?

[meager tiger]

Birds are dino I thought

[glass mulch]

Joe is correct, birds are dinosaurs

[fallen path]

Why not @glass mulch

[glass mulch]

A 2.7 ton bipedal animal....

I don't really know what else to say

It has 0 reason to jump too

and it would look really dumb jumping

and it lacks the motorics of jumping

[odd sedge]

Yeah not really a fan of giving anything mid tier a jump either

[kind jasper]

Birds aren’t dinosaurs

They are the closest existing relatives

[odd sedge]

They are tho

[urban flax]

Birds are reptiles

[tawny juniper]

What are you guys on about bird are fish smh

[gritty helm]

birds are amphibians wym

[azure wadi]

Male rex got hit with a frying pan

[azure wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/look-stare-what-gif-9721049

[urban flax]

Female rex got her teeth plucked off

[tawny juniper]

yeah what's that all about

Females get lips?'

[azure wadi]

No, just gave her a gum guard like for rugby players

[tawny juniper]

Is this the underside of the lip?

[urban flax]

idk it's weird

[swift dew]

birds ARE dinosaurs, they are avian dinosaurs. dinosaurs in the usual sense refers to non-avian dinosaurs. but birds ARE dinosaurs

[barren zephyr]

they are.

[urban flax]

@jaunty marten Maybe it's because pteras aren't supposed to land on trees

[jaunty marten]

why not?

[urban flax]

Because they are supposed to land on rocks and cliffs

[jaunty marten]

alright, but I think it would be interesting since eventually we'll have to get off the rocks

[urban flax]

There are other playables that will be adapted for tree-dwelling

[fallen path]

Why are people disliking the rexs dimorphism?

[urban flax]

Also I don't see a reason that will force pteras to leave rocks that isn't in the game yet

[urban flax]

Scroll up

[tawny juniper]

^

[fallen path]

Those are just the female rexs lips

The teeth are under them

[molten tulip]

Why would an animal develop dimorphism for uncovered teeth and covered teeth

[fallen path]

Idk

[molten tulip]

Thats completely unrelated to the specialization of both

Also the female t Rex's neck in that picture would just snap

T rex had a gigantic heavy head and needed tons of muscle to support it

[compact hare]

All of this part looks weird to me

I would prefer what they did with giga
Less facial scales or whatever you call that hard skin over the nose an eyes
and thats it

[molten tulip]

Yeah

[livid frost]

hello! I wondering when I can play the isle again? I have a VAC-ban on the isle.

[fallen path]

What did u do?

[livid frost]

idk really what I did. I just been banned when I started to play the day after

[fallen path]

Did u exploit?

They wouldnt ban u if you didnt do anything

[livid frost]

Yah I know its weird beacuse they banned me, and i didnt do anything

[fallen path]

Well thats weird

[barren zephyr]

You might want to dm punch about that

[fallen path]

Nah its okay

He explained it to me

[wicked furnace]

@buoyant oasis They aren't adding torvosaurus

[buoyant oasis]

Sadge

Siats?

[hoary dawn]

wha

[barren zephyr]

t

[hasty dagger]

Fuckin no more animals

Just balance the stats

[cosmic trellis]

for rex dimorphism the female would probably slightly bigger than most if not all males

[compact hare]

they are not making size differences

[cosmic trellis]

ah ok

[compact hare]

It'll be mostly skin or little changes on the models

[cosmic trellis]

honestly idk how else rex dimorphism would work other than the slight color difference similar to deino for example

[hoary dawn]

well deino doesn't have proper dimorphism yet either

only animal that does so far is ptera

[honest sparrow]

Ptera is the only one with model dimorphism

[barren zephyr]

thanks

[paper oriole]

They should go ahead and give allosaurus a jump but when it lands its shins immediately give out, snap and impale him through the torso as he crumbles to the ground

[vast wolf]

yes

[barren zephyr]

it needs a utah jump obviously though! Smh! it should be able to jump on a trex and kill it!

[vast wolf]

allo smells

[paper oriole]

They should give allosaurus a scaled utah jump but also keep his fall resistance from legacy so he dies on inpact

[barren zephyr]

good

die Allo

[vast wolf]

largest thing i can see getting a hop or jump is cerato or teno. diablo, magy and kentro dont make sense

[paper oriole]

Allo suicide slammer niche

Jumps onto animals to crush them and kill itself

[vast wolf]

imagine they give hypsi the ability to jump to the skybox

[paper oriole]

I could see magy and kentro getting some sort of passive terrain scaling due to being quadrupeds, quadrupeds in general should have better terrain scaling but a lot of then dont look built for jumping

[vast wolf]

just have the thing pierce through a ptera.

[paper oriole]

Hypsi with an unlimited chargeup for his jump letsgo

Hypsi that breaks the sound barrier and flies into orbit

[vast wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/boar-jumping-jump-jump-into-gif-15310293

i dont understand lol

[paper oriole]

Allo jumping over merc base fence 2025 colorized

[vast wolf]

ava jumping over a rock to kill the utahs 2035 colorised

[paper oriole]

Warthog ava wen

Gut the utahs and only eat their intestines and then leave

[vast wolf]

legit, stun them with a skull bash then tear out their innards with your horns.

[paper oriole]

Damn i unironically want this

[vast wolf]

i made a post about it a while ago

#general-feedback message

i got a poop emoji for it lol

[keen vapor]

@barren zephyr Might aswell just alow troodons to group with humans. They are other players after all not AI and that whole taming thing would be pretty pointless.

[fallen path]

@glass mulch Man your idea is sick!

[keen vapor]

yeah but the whole «taming» thing would be more like forced roleplay instead of a gameplay mechanic.

[manic flint]

@buoyant oasis Allo and Torvo won't work, they're both smaller than sucho, but acro will be able to.

[hasty dagger]

~~Fragmentary 6 Ton Torvo Estimates ~~

[fallen path]

@glass mulch dont u think bigger dinosaurs like rexes will just hit the trees and make their way through?

[swift dew]

last I checked rex is more than 6 tons

[buoyant oasis]

Sometimes size doesn’t matter, sucho was adapted for a piscivore lifestyle and could probably be killed by allo and torvo on land, what I’m trying to say is that things like allo and torvo need to be able to be viable against apexes in not a 1v1 but a 2v1

[swift dew]

yeah, allo isnt beating this on land

[buoyant oasis]

The problem I have with legacy is that the 2 apexes Rex and giga are miles better stat wise then sucho and allo (maybe not skill wise thoug)

[hasty dagger]

Sucho will fuck Allo up regardless of terrain

[buoyant oasis]

Idk, that jaw looks slim but the arms can do the job

I imagine allo would be speedier and more agile

Suchos teeth are designed to keep hold of fish more than anything, Allos are for bleeding

[swift dew]

thats why sucho slaps you

to the moon

[vast wolf]

sucho gets a bite on allo then pulls it close enough to use those claws its its superior neck muscles.

[hasty dagger]

Allo can use its speed and agility to get away, but if they’re fighting to the death, 2 ish tons vs 5 tons with better damage and more health will mess you up

[buoyant oasis]

Sucho needs a slap attack

[vast wolf]

unless were talking sauraphagronax allo sucho stomps it into the dirt.

[buoyant oasis]

I also feel like rex should only be ai for balance, a lot of movies and games put rex’s biteforce a lot lower, if a rex crunched down on a gigas neck his bones will be history and so would his jugular

It’s just that balance wise, Rex is a lot better than any other large theropod and is hard to balance

[hasty dagger]

That’s why our Rex isn’t irl Rex

We’re not getting a 9 ton killing machine that instant kills

[buoyant oasis]

Which is why it could be ai only and could be replaced by tarbo or zhucheng

I hope I spelled that right

[vast wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[hasty dagger]

Why reduce it to AI only just because it’s getting nerfed for balance?

It’s like saying remove Magy because it can gallop and irl Magy couldn’t

[buoyant oasis]

It’s just a suggestion

[vast wolf]

a bad one

[hasty dagger]

I can agree apexes should be balanced better, but adding filler animals to an already bloated roster is dumb imo.

[buoyant oasis]

I just feel like the gap between apex and non apex is too large but it is aswell with the fossil record

Saurophaganax is ok but that’s all really

[vast wolf]

sauraphagronax is just big allo though

aka acro but faster.

[buoyant oasis]

Yeah but it’s more muscular I’m pretty sure

Acro is a good one too

[vast wolf]

the whole reason acro is slow is because its a bloakc of muscle lol.

saurophagro is just big dumb braindead allo.

[hasty dagger]

Sauro invalidates Allo

If it’s just better all around then why keep Allo at all

[vast wolf]

and basically everything else.

[swift dew]

both theri and acro should be able to at least give apexes a decent fight, para has been upsized to trike size so it can also tank a few hits

assuming we get 7.7 ton para

[hasty dagger]

5 ton para or bust

[vast wolf]

i think all of them except quetz would probably put up a decent fight if they play right.

[buoyant oasis]

I feel that if sauro was added, it would have an advantage on different prey items

[vast wolf]

so everything?

[buoyant oasis]

I mean quetz could only weigh less than a ton

[vast wolf]

aka its dumb because its either big allo clone or acro clone.

[buoyant oasis]

No no no

Allo is more suited for hunting sauropods in a pack and camptos and dryos as a solo

So and ambush predator

[hasty dagger]

Allosaurus.. hunting Dryos…

[buoyant oasis]

Ambush predator

[vast wolf]

nice single chicken nugget.

[hasty dagger]

Lmao carno is the small game Hunter

[vast wolf]

we also dont have campto in game.

[buoyant oasis]

We don’t yet

[vast wolf]

campto will most likely never come.

[swift dew]

and we wont ever

[vast wolf]

its just big dryo v2.

[buoyant oasis]

Is there confirmation?

[hasty dagger]

Bloating the roster because you don’t want apexes to be nerfed for balance is ridiculous

[buoyant oasis]

You’re misunderstanding

[icy lion]

the old discussion channel has been cleared, but kissen did say that the isle is locked on creatures for the foreseeable future

[swift dew]

we already have 56 creatures confirmed and it has been made very clear that any more would be coming for a very good reason

[buoyant oasis]

Right

I’m not saying don’t nerf apexes, I’m just saying make things in between viable

[vast wolf]

if it 1. dosent have a unique playstyle and atributes 2. dosent adda nything to the game and 3. isnt just a clone of something already in game it wont be implemented.

[buoyant oasis]

Right

[hasty dagger]

Which you can do without adding pointless animals

[buoyant oasis]

I know

[manic flint]

Ah, I see. I would say torvo could, but allo feels too small for a 2 v 1, but thats just me

[buoyant oasis]

Allo is too small and light and it’s my fault for Suggesting it

[vast wolf]

big torvo would probably dumpster allo the same way as sucho just instead its bite does more damage.

[buoyant oasis]

Acro makes a ton more sense

[manic flint]

Torvo and sucho should be able to 2 v 1 a rex

If their good

[buoyant oasis]

^

Yeah

[manic flint]

How big is rex in the game?

[vast wolf]

its way safer to just get away from the rex in most situations.

[hasty dagger]

or don’t add Torvo because it’s just big theropod carni #18474629273

[vast wolf]

if theres anything that could get added and is not confirmed or soft confirmed its edmontonia

[buoyant oasis]

My issue with evrima at the moment is say Utah vs carno 1v1, 9/10 the carno wins just because of the turning on the dime, it’s charge and it’s stat superiority, skill makes little difference unless they have no brain

[icy lion]

carno is also over 3x the size of utah

you would expect it to win

[vast wolf]

utahs can juke carnos forever

[manic flint]

Yeah but carno is big

[buoyant oasis]

I’d like to see edmontainia

[vast wolf]

saying utah shouldent get dumpstered by carno is like saying allo shouldent dumpster carno.

[hasty dagger]

Worse anky

[manic flint]

And like saying sucho shouldnt slap allo to the sun

[vast wolf]

edmontonia would probably just ram things head on with its spikes

[buoyant oasis]

Which it should

[manic flint]

Yes

[swift dew]

its like saying giga shouldn't dumpster allo, its about 3 times bigger

[vast wolf]

basically ceratopsian mixed with ankylosaur

[manic flint]

Id like that

[buoyant oasis]

I see my mistake with the 2

So basically, as Utah just avoid carnos

Unless you’re in a pack

[manic flint]

Yes

[hasty dagger]

Avoid them, or pack up

[vast wolf]

https://youtu.be/NzdVpVsA4MY?t=11

[buoyant oasis]

Alright

I remember that documentary

It was a good one

[manic flint]

Yo i love that documentary

[vast wolf]

dont mess with the prehistoric pin coushin

[manic flint]

Gave the hadrosaurs som love

[buoyant oasis]

F e a t h e r e d. D i n o s

[manic flint]

Y e s

[cosmic trellis]

feathered deino

[buoyant oasis]

F l u f f y. T y r a n n o s a u r s