general-feedback-discussion

[cyan flame]

No I think we did, and we're saying it has all sorts of issues (such as getting stuck in a loop), and that it's only really needed for specific dominance fighting in a group, which we may or may not get, seeing as they want to add something with "alphas" and all that.

@bold palmI did ask you. How do I get rid of someone who refuses to stop eating my plants, and I can't actually kill them?

[noble pine]

It’s just dumb

[bold palm]

There would be no loop, you didn't read my responses

uhg, nm

[cyan flame]

Please refer to response, I could have missed it

[limber hull]

if you want to find a good middle ground, have the defeated same-species creature black out and lie on the ground in pain and take a good amount of time to recover, allowing whoever was fighting it to do shit, and it also becomes easy prey for other creatures. Again, still not fan of completely preventing killing others of your kind but this is the closest I can get to fair middle ground

[cyan flame]

That might work, and if need be, I guess you could just keep knocking them out every time :p

[limber hull]

that'd be toxic as hell but kinda funny

[bold palm]

it's not going to create a loop, the idea is to simply prevent random KOS. It would only apply to same species for a period of time, the injured animal would not be able to attack same species while down and same species would not be able to attack the downed one until they recover, this doesn't mean there would be a loop, the injured one could still hunt other things and eat and all that. I don't know what you mean by loop, you fight, winner wins loser loses, both still alive, no loop, fight over. They'd move away from each other.

[cyan flame]

@bold palmLoop as in they can just stay around, and they're safe around. Despite me wanting them dead.

Even if I win the fight, why would the other stego leave?

[bold palm]

so why would you not leave then?

[cyan flame]

He can just stick around and eat my plants anyway, and I have to keep knocking him on his ass every so often?

[limber hull]

what

if you win the fiht

[cyan flame]

Because it's my chosen area and why should I leave if I won the fight?

[limber hull]

the other guy should not stick around

[cyan flame]

I defend a corpse, or food, or even nesting site

[bold palm]

weak

[limber hull]

what

why would you ever favour the losing party

[noble pine]

Or you could choose whether you want to kill them or not while they’re down

[bold palm]

means your argument is weak, why would you do that? lol

[cyan flame]

Why would I leave when I have a good nesting site, food for my offspring and partner, and all?

[bold palm]

move on, or the other would move on, why would they stay?

[cyan flame]

Because they have nothing to fear

[bold palm]

it's a lot of what if's

[cyan flame]

So they can keep eating my food, or being in the way (collision) or whatever

[bold palm]

we can come up with 9000 scenarios

[cyan flame]

For whatever reason they have, from needing the food to being trolls

[bold palm]

they could do that now

[cyan flame]

You need to take people being trolls and assholes into account

[limber hull]

cerato is literally going to be that exact kind of playstyle. "stay the fuck away from my food or i will make you part of the meal", and this includes other ceratos. This change literally shits all over that kind of design.

[cyan flame]

In order to figure out how a mechanic or something can be misused

[noble pine]

Your argument can’t even be weak because it wasn’t a good argument to begin with, you’re saying same species, pack or not shouldn’t be able to kill each other because “oh no I was killed by the same Dino I am, boo fuckin hoo” this is GOING to happen, idk why this is even a big deal.

[bold palm]

and it would work, cuz you could fight and win and be dominant.

who says you have to kill the other one?

[cyan flame]

And that doesn't stop them from doing.. whatever they do

Nothing

As long as they stop being in my way

But that's the issue right there, with your mechanic, I can't guarantee that

[limber hull]

cerato is literally a cannibal

[bold palm]

so maybe it doesn't apply to them?

[cyan flame]

If I fight another stego, and they retreat after one swing, good, I'm not going to chase them down. But if they insist on eating my bushes, then what choice do I have?

[limber hull]

you know who else is a cannibal

deino

[cyan flame]

It's not even about cannibalism, it's about being able to defend something

[limber hull]

who you specified in your suggestion specifically

[cyan flame]

Nesting sites, what have you

[bold palm]

yes crocs eat other crocs of smaller sizes usually.

[cyan flame]

Make it only for groups, and only during specific circumstances possibly, and I might agree

[noble pine]

The point of defects that come with cannibalism is completely pointless if you just take away the ability to cannibalize. Your system completely invalidates a more interesting and unique system.

[bold palm]

but adults usually only fight and move on

[cyan flame]

But I'll be damned if I'm not going to be able to defend my nest site and offspring because a fellow stego pair decided to nest there as well and are now putting my kids food and thus wellbeing (especially with diets) at risk

[bold palm]

apply it as it applies to the dinos way of life

crocx can eat smaller crocs, 2 full adults, applicable.

might be the same for others

[cyan flame]

It's not just about cannibalism, it applies to any situation where you and someone else is fighting over something

[limber hull]

i do wish it was more commonplace to use threaten rather than just fucking running at people but meh

[cyan flame]

It will be when your life is more worth something I imagine, and you'd not want to risk being too wounded in the first place

But that's not solved with some weird mechanic that prevents killing competition :p

[limber hull]

yea

[bold palm]

so when you get into a fight with your brother or a friend do you kill them?

lol

or do you beat them, wait for them to get better and then beat them again? I mean essentially that's the logic I'm hearing.

[urban flax]

Is the conversation about friends now ?

[bold palm]

i'm sure through the use of chat and or calls a truce and or agreement can be made between the fighting parties? Mechanics won't solve everything.

[urban flax]

Because although all humans are the same species as me, they're not all my brothers nor friends

[bold palm]

Bub, wow

point is, the mechanic could have it's place, as it's been said, not confirmed that I know of, that this will be in grouping/packs ok great.

might also be applicable in other ways as well.

[noble pine]

It’s going to be packs

[cyan flame]

No, there's no place for this kind of mechanic, outside of in group dominance fights possibly

[noble pine]

But if you aren’t in my pack or group I should be able to kill you if I’m the same species, not being able to is dumb

[bold palm]

as I said, agree to disagree.

[cyan flame]

Which would not cut down on same species killing or anything anyway, except minimally, since most aren't quite the kind of assholes to befriend you and then kill you, and for those that are, they can still just leave the group and then kill you anyway

Thing is Silver, you have no solution to the issues I pointed out

[bold palm]

i've already explained it, made my point, but honestly anything that prevents newbs from being toxic i'm down for.

[cyan flame]

Except to say "one of you should leave"

But that's not how people think, and you're also punishing the one who won

[bold palm]

hmm don't see that

how is the one who won punished?

[urban flax]

Because the other one didn't really lose since it's still there

[cyan flame]

And can still commit whatever caused us to fight in the first place

Such as eating food that I want, or just being around, or spamming calls..

[bold palm]

also if you stick to your diet and play style you prob would not need to worry much about same species anyway. You might have food battles or territory battles or just random ones, but no need to stick around or troll or behave that way, there wouldn't be a loop, so you can't kill the one same species dino you encounter, win the fight and go hunt what you are supposed to eat, not seeing the prob there unless it's your goal to hunt your own kind. That is the only thing that seems to make sense with your arguments at this point.

Is that your play style? You hunt own kind only?

[urban flax]

What about nests ?

[cyan flame]

Isn't diet going to just cause some same species competition, as well as outside with other species. But that does not mean I will want anyone else around me even so. But I can't imagine diets would not cause competition between your own species as well, so I'm planning for that. And you're entirely missing the point here

[urban flax]

You don't have to stay around the same place when nesting ?

[cyan flame]

If I win the fight, you should have to leave

[bold palm]

Also what if you just tweaked it a bit, say, put a time limit, so you fight, you win, the injured is protected for say 30 seconds, after which it's off you can now kill them?

[urban flax]

What is so bad about same species killing anyway ?

[cyan flame]

That might work, as long as it can not come on again until they're maybe fully healthy or something

So they have to actually leave or risk death

[bold palm]

ya like a single chance to get out

[urban flax]

You didn't answer me when I asked you what kind of game The Isle was for you

[bold palm]

if you don't get lost you get killed

[cyan flame]

But even so, it would prevent hunting if you need it

[bold palm]

but it would prevent an initial attempt at same species KOS

[cyan flame]

So there's still some issues

[bold palm]

oh boy

i don't know man that sounds pretty air tight

it's fair

[cyan flame]

Except for the "I need to kill you to prevent starvation" thing

Though I guess you could wait around until the protection wears off and then finish them :p

It's doable, but very strange

[bold palm]

so you attack, you win, injured is hurt now on time limit, starts to run off you run after them, time limit ends you kill them. but at least there is a buffer zone for the other to get away or prepare to fight some more?

[urban flax]

Why would they need a buffer zone to get away ?

[cyan flame]

I guess, but if it's so low, they're going to die anyway most likely, so it sounds more like a bother than anything

[bold palm]

well you'd want to leave the area

[cyan flame]

But fine, it would work, just.. very strange, like I said. But as long as I can guarantee my kills on others that I want gone, if I win the fight, then it's all good I guess

[bold palm]

ya

haha been talking in here died 2 times

[swift dew]

@pliant token megalania is already confirmed

[pliant token]

aw I never seen anything about it that's cool, still I think my idea of poison is interesting.

[swift dew]

I don't understand why everyone likes the old rex roars so much, they just sound likes its choking on its own throat

[pliant token]

Lol. Specially that it is now said to never had a real roar just doing hissings. But I guess it adds to the terror

[vale pawn]

Sub rex broadcast

[hybrid matrix]

@barren zephyr mind explaining the train of thought behind a coconut breaking your head?

which somehow leads to temporary blindness

[barren zephyr]

sorry i meant like it can use the fracture mechanic

[hybrid matrix]

still

[barren zephyr]

you know how u can get fractured by pachy which leads to

[hybrid matrix]

its a fucking coconut man

[barren zephyr]

do you know how hard coconut is?

[hybrid matrix]

its not a battering ram

[quiet estuary]

150 people die from coconuts every year

[barren zephyr]

more than sharks

[quiet estuary]

Yes

[hybrid matrix]

you know how hard concrete is? that doesnt mean i break my feet every time i step on it

its the force that counts

[barren zephyr]

thats because concrete doesn't fall on you unless it's a roof

i guess we going science today and let coconut fall on top of your head

[hybrid matrix]

ah, but you didnt say anything about the force of the coconut, all you said is that coconuts are hard and therefore can break your skull

[barren zephyr]

it's enough

to kill someone

[hybrid matrix]

yes
to kill a person

but these are dinosaurs

[quiet estuary]

A small dinosaur would be injured

[hybrid matrix]

obviously something small enough should be hurt

[barren zephyr]

which leads to

blidness

[hybrid matrix]

i never said it shouldnt

[barren zephyr]

dizzyness

i didn't say it would kill it i just said wrong words

[quiet estuary]

I think the only issue here is that its random chance
which is idiotic

[hybrid matrix]

yeah you're gonna get a concussion, you're not gonna go temporarily blind

[quiet estuary]

Imo if you run into a tree then the coconut can fall and possibly cause injury to smalls if you are under it

Enough head trauma can cause temporary blindness

[barren zephyr]

pretty sure devs said if u get rammed

by pachy

in the head

u get blinded

temporarily

[hybrid matrix]

i think anything smaller than a utah should take damage from it as well as being stunned

but things larger than that?

[hybrid matrix]

thats interesting, i did not know this

[urban flax]

I have a question about falling coconuts breaking your skull
What the point ? What does that bring gameplay-wise ?

[hybrid matrix]

this is something that i would also like to know

why would it fracture ur skull

that seems extreme

[quiet estuary]

enviornmental hazard for people who just run into objects for no reason

[barren zephyr]

If it falls and u don't get hit u can use it as emergency water

[feral solstice]

Coconuts are tough but not tough enough to break a fucking dinosaurs head

[hybrid matrix]

exactly

the dinosaur would break the coconut

[quiet estuary]

Depends onm the dinosaur

[hybrid matrix]

depending on the dino that is

[barren zephyr]

depends on dino

[hybrid matrix]

beat me to it

[feral solstice]

Well a Hypsi I can see

Maybe dryo

[urban flax]

It's not running into objects
It's just punishing people for passing by a coconut tree the way it's presented

[barren zephyr]

utah prob too

[feral solstice]

Utah is eh.

[hybrid matrix]

too big

brb

[feral solstice]

I mean why make it a mechanic when it will probably not happen

[barren zephyr]

it's size of human

[quiet estuary]

Oh I know bubu

What i said for this suggestion is that it shouldnt be random but only if you run into said trees
And specific species who can take the hit can take advantage of this as a food source

[barren zephyr]

guess it's more durable than human too

[feral solstice]

Like how does a Utah happen to get smashed on the head by a falling coconut

[barren zephyr]

Falling coconut might hit you or not and if it doesn't u can use it for food and small amount of water

[quiet estuary]

Like this suggestion imo would just be fine if it werent random chance but is something caused by a player actively doing something to the plant

Such as an anky hitting hte tree with its tail to knock down the coconut for food

[barren zephyr]

or stego

so stegos won't camp trees to not get pounce

[hybrid matrix]

i feel like this would just break the tree lmao

[quiet estuary]

maybe

I do not know the force a tree can withstand and the force an anky can produce

Could be applied to pachy as well though

An interesting dietary option found on coasts as well to actually make people go there

As long as it aint rng coconuts being both harmful and benefitical depending on what you do and what you are doesnt seem like a problem to me though

[hybrid matrix]

wait

1 sec

where does the coconut fall tho

is that random?

[quiet estuary]

It would fall down

[hybrid matrix]

or are there visible coconuts

[quiet estuary]

from where it was

why wouldnt they be visible

I would assume they would be visible like the flowers on that one current swamp plant

[hybrid matrix]

its not clear whether or not you know where the coconuts are so that you can avoid being hit

[quiet estuary]

And once eaten they disappear

[barren zephyr]

thing is though coconut is hard to crack or open

and it's wide too so idk what dino can open it

[quiet estuary]

Many animals would

above a certian size

[steep warren]

@desert tendon I really like the idea of Rhamphorhynchus and i 100% think they should add it, as soon as i saw the idea i liked it and I want to add onto it. I just read that Rhamphorhynchus was a really good swimmer so it COULD be able to dive under water or just be really good and fast at swimming. I also read it was nocturnal so it would have good night vision. With the stuff i just mentioned and all the stuff you said I think it would be really cool to add. (Im aware this should be in general feedback but im just about to type in there)

[hybrid matrix]

well, if an african swallow can carry a coconut all the way to europe, i think a dinosaur can crack one open

[urban flax]

But how much time would it take ?

[desert tendon]

yes add this

post this underneath @steep warren

[quiet estuary]

Personally not a fan of flying animals under the size of pteranodon

Dont see much of a point when you have less interactibility with the rest of the roster than even compy

[honest sparrow]

Rhamph is fine, it’s more or less just flying compy

With a bit of fishing thrown in

[quiet estuary]

To me it just seems like a permanent juvi ptera but with stamina and bleed

[desert tendon]

augi suggested that it should be a swimmer and nocturnal like irl and i didnt know that. and i think thats awesome

[quiet estuary]

A nocturnal flyer would be interesting
But pteranodon should be a swimmer/diver

As it was irl

The thing was able to take off from the water irl as well

[desert tendon]

i dont think ptera swam

did it?

[honest sparrow]

Mesa my favorite nephew

[quiet estuary]

Yes

[hybrid matrix]

yeah i cant find the rest of the quote....

[honest sparrow]

Ptera could swim

[steep warren]

It is tought that Rhanph dived into the water to catch fish and it was a nocturnal hunter

[desert tendon]

huh

neat

[urban flax]

Why must every flyer be a fisher tho ?

[quiet estuary]

Yes

[honest sparrow]

It was a sea pterosaur and most of the time, those know how to seim

[quiet estuary]

that as well

[urban flax]

Ramph is probably too small to catch fish

[hybrid matrix]

quetz is a scavenger, right?

[desert tendon]

bruh

[hybrid matrix]

please tell me they arent making quetz a fisher

[quiet estuary]

Ramph would only be able to catch the sunfish and the rainbowfish

[honest sparrow]

Quetz is air carno/scavenger

[quiet estuary]

Which is half of the school fish

[urban flax]

I mean, when people suggest flyers, unless it's tupa, it's always as fishers

[steep warren]

Nope pretty sure he hunted like juvie creatures somtimes even subs

[quiet estuary]

The only other fishing pterosaur i would like to see is pteradaustro
which was a filter feeder

[honest sparrow]

I mean there is mesa

[urban flax]

What's that ?

[quiet estuary]

A big anurognathus

[honest sparrow]

Mesadactylus, big ass anuro, make it drink blood

[hybrid matrix]

yes i know this
if you know anything about quetz then you know this

[desert tendon]

ramph would be able to rip wing membrane and bring other pterosaurs down

[honest sparrow]

Ok but like

[hybrid matrix]

:(

[honest sparrow]

Why would I ever worry about that when I can outspeed, outstam, and climb higher than it

[quiet estuary]

doesnt seem too balanced that something small enough to be an auto adult like hypsi can rip the wings of things that take about an hour to grow and make them fall

[hybrid matrix]

also @barren zephyr you should edit your suggestion

[honest sparrow]

And probably also just rip it out of the sky

[desert tendon]

it would have to be a big group to pull it off. like a certain amount of bleed must have been placed to be able to rip membrane. and even 1 small rip would probably not be enough to bring one down

[honest sparrow]

Also for the record Ptera can snap fish out of the water

[steep warren]

I was thinking Rhamphorhynchus could pretty much dive down and land on TOP of dinos the only things it would pin down would be really small creatures but using the same bucking dinos could get it off

[honest sparrow]

It weighs in like compy range

[quiet estuary]

what

[honest sparrow]

It really isn’t pinning down like

Anything

[quiet estuary]

It weighs less than compy and itll pin down animals 3x heavier than it

[steep warren]

I know

[desert tendon]

if a baby pteranodon half the size of a ramph is able to snatch one of the bass (i forgot its name), then ramph should be able too

[steep warren]

im aware it wont pin down ANYTHING

[quiet estuary]

Baby pteranodon is the same size as ramph

[desert tendon]

i dont think ramph would have a pounce

[honest sparrow]

The fish are auto sized to suit the size of the Ptera

[desert tendon]

fresh spawn isnt

[honest sparrow]

They always seem the same size

But they are not

[quiet estuary]

Fresh spawn is about 7kg iirc

Which is ramph size

[steep warren]

tbh they could make Rhamphorhynchus a lil bigger its a game

[quiet estuary]

if they added a small pterosaur, ide rather it not be another fisher

[desert tendon]

^

[quiet estuary]

give us some varying playstyles in the flyer

[steep warren]

It dived into the water to get its fish

that would be cool

[quiet estuary]

And ptera did that irl too

[honest sparrow]

That is the exact same argument as pela

And I am once again stating

[urban flax]

We're not getting many flyers
Having 2 of them be fishers is a waste

[quiet estuary]

Giving another animal a mechanic another current animal can realisticly do to justify adding it seems like making another current playable less complex to justify your own

[steep warren]

well the isle isnt irl if the devs wanted 100% irl hypsi would look like this and THANK GOD it doesn't

[quiet estuary]

Irl hypsi had feathers

[urban flax]

So if ramph's main interest is that it was a fisher, better pick another one

[honest sparrow]

If it does the exact same thing in the exact same niche in a slightly different way, then honestly you could probably just give diving to Ptera and leave it at that

[desert tendon]

a nocturnal diver that can bleed and rip wing membranes sounds pretty unique to me

[honest sparrow]

Also flyers with bleed

Are aids

[quiet estuary]

It wouldnt do half of that unless your in big group

[honest sparrow]

I don’t care how small or whatever

Flyers with bleed that can be applied midair just kinda suck

[desert tendon]

@steep warren add your suggestion about nocturnalism and diving

[quiet estuary]

Speaking of diving and swimming good
These things should be given to pteranodon to give it reason to go to the ocean

[honest sparrow]

Also like if you wanna go so far as to call membrane ripping unique, like why can’t every other carni with teeth do that

[urban flax]

irl ptera did dive tho

[quiet estuary]

Yes

that as well

[urban flax]

So that's not really an argument for ramphorynchus either

[quiet estuary]

and it could take off from the water

[honest sparrow]

I’d rather we just flesh out the current actual fishing flyer

[quiet estuary]

Yes

[honest sparrow]

Like I’m all for rhamph if it just had some retooling

[urban flax]

While we're talking about tiny flyers, wouldn't dimorphodon just be better in every way ? Aerial pack hunter, like a sky raptor
And not a tiny ptera clone

[quiet estuary]

dimorphodon is also in the tiny size range

[honest sparrow]

Dimorphodon is just a bit bigger

And does the exact same thing

[quiet estuary]

I think the above mentioned mesadactylus would be the best option

As its not as small nor is it another fisher

[honest sparrow]

Tupa/Mesa or bust

[quiet estuary]

but why even suggest more creatures
We are at the 56 limit now or whatever

[honest sparrow]

There is actually a 3rd unknown flyer

I think

[quiet estuary]

Ah

[honest sparrow]

which is honestly a bit small but alas

[urban flax]

I hope for tupa
So we can have at least one herbivore flyer

[hybrid matrix]

@crystal owl any reason that u put an ❌?

[urban flax]

I've put both a check and an X on your duggestion derp

I like the idea of smoke grenades, but not that of smoke rockets

[hybrid matrix]

why not?

theyre just better smoke grenades

[urban flax]

Because smoke rockets would imply that humans can have access to rocket launchers

And also they make smoke grenades obsolete

[hybrid matrix]

yeah but the only ammo for the rocket launchers are the smoke rockets

[urban flax]

There should be as few things as possible that are just better versions of something else

Then they're absolutely not worth it
Why carry a rocket launcher if the only thing you can shoot with it is smoke rockets

Also I don't think smoke rockets exist

[hybrid matrix]

1 sec

yes they are in fact a real thing

[urban flax]

Oh my god
But why

[hybrid matrix]

u mean why do they exist or why are they in my suggestion

[urban flax]

Well that doesn't really change the fact I don't really want those in-game, for all the reasons I listed above

[urban flax]

Why do they exist
What's the point

[hybrid matrix]

same reason that smoke grenades exist but u can use these more precisely and over longer distances?

im pretty sure that irl theyre meant to be long range smoke grenades

[urban flax]

At the cost of needing another explosive and a 35kg cannon just to throw them

[hybrid matrix]

1 sec

actually the rpg that can use these smoke rockets weighs 14 lbs

its called the RPG-7

[urban flax]

I don't know how much a lb is

[hybrid matrix]

oh mb

6.3 kg

[urban flax]

hmmm

Real life aside, that's still too cumbersome for a merc to carry on a dense jungle dinosaur infested island
Especially if it's only used to shoot smoke rockets
Why do you need long-range cover against dinos anyway
They don't have long-range weapons afaik

[hybrid matrix]

true

is there anything else that u dont like, or is it just the rockets?

[urban flax]

just the rockets ^^

[hybrid matrix]

k

[urban flax]

I even find the smokescreen effect idea quite smart
I think it's used in Mordhau

[steep warren]

@hybrid matrix I like the smoke grenades but i dont like the smoke rocket things. so i just did what bubulblu did and put a check and x

[hybrid matrix]

ima go specify that the smokescreen would be for dinos since they can position their cameras outside of the cloud

wait i did specify that already lmao

also btw i removed everything about rockets

[urban flax]

Ok I'm removing my X

[steep warren]

same

[urban flax]

I just noticed something @hybrid matrix
You didn't mention that smoke grenades are for mercs
Some people might believe you want dinos to throw smoke grenades, since there's still people on this server that don't know humans are coming to the game

[hybrid matrix]

lmao

[barren zephyr]

Why would anyone want endurance rex

[languid cairn]

A buffer zone that prolongs the inevitable is just a waste of time that challenges player Agency. Say I were a cannible that was going to die from starvation in the 30 seconds your mechanic gives them, I did my part but go unrewarded. If the same species loser wanted to get away, they just should of start running before they are killed by the same species winner-that's the only buffer necessary beyond environmental factors. If they were that poor at judging their own limits, they deserve to die the moment their health bar reaches the point it cannot get any lower.

[sonic mural]

@thorny lynx not feedback

[bold palm]

The rarity in which you would starve and need to be a cannibal to survive are is far greater than that of someone who has KOS I'm going to murder every same species for no reason, on their mind. In other words, you will get KOS'd more often than you will run into the scenario of starving and having to kill a same species. My suggested mechanic would help mitigate the random a hole that wants to attack for no good reason and honestly, using hunger as an excuse now is pretty much mute as there is plenty of AI. As well, if you are so low on food, you may want to learn the map and find AI and or good spots to hunt so you don't go hungry. To sit in a bush and let your food drain and then hope you can find something before you die, is more a you not doing the right thing and thus you should be punished. Why should someone who is playing get killed cuz you chose to be lazy? 😉

I mean, this is prob not as good, but maybe have a status, you set your status to say, friendly or hostile, friendly you can't attack same species, hostile if other player status i s hostile you can attack. Gives time for communication between dinos, to change status and fight or whatever. blah blah.

[fading fjord]

KOS?!? What is that? Kids On Screams?

[bold palm]

Kill on sight?

Killer Overgrown Seaturtles ?

with the status thing you couldn't change your status if you are injured or something.

and just made 1800 bux

[hybrid matrix]

but, why

that just puts u in a bad position if u were in the aggro status and something attacked u

bc then u cant change it

[languid cairn]

Lazy? Who's Lazy? The predator actively hunting for it's next meal or the player who sees the carnivore with sharp teeth and a bad attitude approaching them but refuses to take any measure of precaution because "we're the same species so we must be best friends buddies pallies omalies"? Your mechanic doesn't mitigate the random attacks, it just removes player agency. Same as trying to make AI the be all end to a players diet so that they don't fight and compete with each other. If you don't want to be KOS learn to run away, survey your environment, or be a better fighter.

A bush camper by this point has more honor than a kos victim that needed the game to stop them from dying. A bush camper knew how to hunt, fight, manage their resources, control the terrain. There is nothing to punish them for.

And the status is just as bad as turning cannibals into albinos. If you couldn't be bothered to maintain some distance, you don't deserve a handicap that makes other people 'nice'.

[hybrid matrix]

tbh i was kinda into the albino cannibal thing bc i wanted to be albino

[languid cairn]

I've said it before on the steam forums. Albinism is fine if it's Random and doesn't single any one playstyle out.

[hybrid matrix]

it shouldnt be random

plus it doesnt single out cannibals, it makes them feel special

wait actua-

[cyan flame]

Well, cannibals will suffer worse than albinism anyway so :p

[paper oriole]

Why should random people be punished with albinism rather than it selectively punishing those who consistently break their dietary requirements by committing cannibalism (or frequently killing their own kind as herbi)?

[languid cairn]

It should be random because otherwise it just becomes a neon sign meant to punish cannibals.

[paper oriole]

So just punish random people who havent done anything wrong instead? That's the better option?

[languid cairn]

Because that's Chaos, and Chaos my friend is fair.

[paper oriole]

Cannibalism will go against the diets of most predators, if you do it frequently then you are asking for punishment

[languid cairn]

Why should it. Why would animals who are bigger than Polar Bears care that they're eating a fellow species member when meat is meat

[paper oriole]

This isnt punishing people who happen to find their own kind a few times while hungry, this is people who make cannibalism a staple of their diet despite it going against their requirements

It is more fair than some rando having to start over because they dont want to have an unfair disadvantage for something out of their control

[languid cairn]

It is by default less fair because it doesn't single anyone out.

Think of what it means to be a pure cannibal?

Passing up every potential meal and placing yourself in a weakened state against someone who's stats are the same as yours? It's a self correcting problem that comes with its own balance acts.

[cyan flame]

We don't even know if becoming albino or even getting red eyes will be a thing, and considering the other punishments, it'd be the least of your problems anyway

I'd rather see albinism and other such variants as maybe a perk thing/certain dietary path or otherwise, if you for some reason want to add challenge or just look cool :p

[paper oriole]

Saying it is unfair to punish obligatory cannibals over random chance is like saying it's unfair to arrest criminals instead of just randomly arresting people in the street

[paper oriole]

It's too late for our poor boi anky

[alpine pumice]

Wow, so my suggestion from month ago becomes the real thing now.
Now imagine people, who disliked my comment... and now are hyped for the same thing just because it was told by devs 😂

[quiet estuary]

Shitting mechanics were confirmed?

[paper oriole]

Legacy endurance giga was cancer i hope it isnt brought back the same in evrima

[quiet estuary]

I dont see the issue with both apexs having some endurance hunting qualities

[alpine pumice]

yes

[quiet estuary]

How sad

[alpine pumice]

why?

[quiet estuary]

Well
Every benefit a shitting mechanic give is already given ingame, or will be given from other to be added systems
Combined with how fetishists will love such a thing

[alpine pumice]

nope. U aren't getting a species/age/gender info by smelling.

[quiet estuary]

Species you get from footprints

Age you get from footprint size

[paper oriole]

Where was shitting confirmed

[quiet estuary]

gender doesnt matter much

[paper oriole]

Age can also be guessed from footprints sometimes

[quiet estuary]

I did a quick search

type pooping from filipes messages Mira

[alpine pumice]

all those things can be GUESSED

[quiet estuary]

Not guessed

seen with ease

[paper oriole]

Fuck

We dont need this

Why devs

[quiet estuary]

Hell if plant deformation is added at some point you can get age from that as well

And diets will handle the anti afk portion of it

[paper oriole]

You can get age and species from tracks, gender doesnt matter because both genders have the same statistics

[ashen elm]

Yea I have a some reservations with them being able to pull this off successfully. I want to give them a chance, since they have been doing well but... this is going to really hard to get people to take it seriously, no matter how much they tell people they are being children for not liking it.

[alpine pumice]

because it's part of realism. Can you tell me how the hell will you tell the difference between adult kentro or juvenile stego footsteps? Do you realise that we will get many species and their footsteps will be similar as hell?

[quiet estuary]

I can tell by the time i finish tracking them as both would be similar threats

[paper oriole]

You could probably differentiate the two from the spacing between tracks assuming kentro is speedier

[quiet estuary]

So whichever i was tracking isnt a problem

and even then you can still differentiate via things like space between footprints

[alpine pumice]

that's stupid as hell, especially when you are a new player who don't know small details like that.

[paper oriole]

Dinos would still have different gaits for their tracks to show

Nee players can learn

[quiet estuary]

Thats where new players should learn

[paper oriole]

Thats the fuckin point lol

[quiet estuary]

And also I doubt defication would tell you literally everything about a species you are tracking

[paper oriole]

New players or anyone for that matter shouldnt have their hand held like that

[alpine pumice]

Let me guess - are u against pooping mechanic just because it ruin your aesthetics of your fav dinosaurs?

[quiet estuary]

What

[paper oriole]

???

How???

[quiet estuary]

How does shitting have anything to do with an animals aesthetics

[alpine pumice]

well many people says it's DisGusTinG

[quiet estuary]

Its disgusting how people will use shitting

[paper oriole]

It is though and its unnecessary because age and species can be determined through tracks

[quiet estuary]

^

I can already see the rp comign out from this

[alpine pumice]

this will be probably a passive thing, not able to use as key

[quiet estuary]

That isnt what i mean by use shitting

[paper oriole]

Same not excited for the fetish RPers that were already in legacy now this just gives them more fuel

[alpine pumice]

so tell me what will be the difference between track of adult and elder ones?

[quiet estuary]

Yea

Elder ones would most likely be larger as elders are larger

[paper oriole]

Some elders are larger, and there will be gait differences as they increase and then decrease in stats

[alpine pumice]

u mean 10% larger? Woah

[quiet estuary]

10% is quite a lot

[alpine pumice]

it's not. It's still about guessing

[quiet estuary]

not at all

Its all about learning from repeated encounters

[paper oriole]

Considering the overgrown claws on some elders maybe their tracks will be shaped slightly differently as well but that's just speculation

[alpine pumice]

I doubt for things like this tbh

[paper oriole]

Eh who knows they could do it

[pale bloom]

Maybe they can just change the colour tone of the elders tracks

[alpine pumice]

to me getting info from pooping is really good - clear, easy, less tress in game.

[quiet estuary]

It shouldnt be easy though

you should actively have to learn

[pale bloom]

Considering the tracks are yellow in colouration

[paper oriole]

You shouldnt have the game spoonfeed you info from sniffing shit

[alpine pumice]

so you can make a server without that info I guess...

[quiet estuary]

What

[pale bloom]

I mean it already does

[quiet estuary]

barely

[alpine pumice]

just my speculation - making server without getting infomation from poop for players who needs a better challenge

[pale bloom]

You can pretty much identify the footsteps when you look closely

[quiet estuary]

The game should always be challenging as a base as its meant to be a hardcore survival horror game lonely

[paper oriole]

It gives you vague info or things you need to analyze like tracks

[pale bloom]

Except for those small ones

[alpine pumice]

we have literally FEW species now, there will be 50+. You won't remember even half of them

[quiet estuary]

I think itll be obvious most of the time

[manic flint]

You should be able to tell in some form the diet from the feces, so you can tell what Dino made it based off of their prefered diets. It makes sense

[alpine pumice]

and reading info about their perks

[pale bloom]

Of course but don't tell me you will not be able to distinguish Carno footsies from Utah in the current build

[quiet estuary]

God no

[manic flint]

That's too much

[paper oriole]

Why the fuck should the game hand feed you so much info

[pale bloom]

Anyways any theropod in the about the same size range can confuse you that will be a thing

[quiet estuary]

if shit told you anyrhing it should just tell you what made it
Anything else is completely uneeded and/or too handholdy

[manic flint]

You should be able to tell - there are nuts and fruit remains in here, so what Dino's eat nuts and fruit specifically that are about this size?

It shouldnt tell you

[alpine pumice]

if you don't want to cannibalize your own species you must be sure to don't waste time for tracking "anything big"

[quiet estuary]

Yea that works lvl 5

perfect way to make it tell you things without being a straight up information

[manic flint]

An experienced player could instantly tell the difference between teno, pachy, kentro, magy, etc.

Based off of what type of plants are in it

[paper oriole]

Having to analyze and guess based on your own knowledge >>>> the game telling you this shit came from a 32% grown male carnotaurus with these perks

[quiet estuary]

Yes

[paper oriole]

No bullshit spoonfeeding

[manic flint]

Yes

Y'know what

Imma suggest that

[cyan flame]

Well no, but that's a very specific example :P

[quiet estuary]

Speaking of footprints
why do only your animals right side footsteps glow

[alpine pumice]

I mean, what's the problem if any people prefer to read base info from feces - if you don't want use them, just don't

[paper oriole]

Honestly hoping its just an occasional spawn alongside tracks too and not like ark or something where you drop deuces and disgusting RPers have a hoot with it

[pale bloom]

I do identify both of them

[quiet estuary]

As the game is meant to have a good amount of difficulty lonely so giving people obvious information like that takes some of said difficulty away

[alpine pumice]

diets will be enough hard thing to do

[quiet estuary]

More difficulty the better

and I doubt diets will be that difficult

its just knowing were certian food items spawn

[alpine pumice]

no. It's also fighting for this when other animal want grab it too.

[quiet estuary]

That exists without diets rn

[alpine pumice]

I don't think so, especially with herbivores. One type of plants being on the whole map

[paper oriole]

No trust me

[quiet estuary]

Herbivores are able to kill one another for plants rn

I do it all the time

[paper oriole]

Herbis rn kill eachother for a bush

Ive seen it

[quiet estuary]

Bush spawns in places with people are rare

[alpine pumice]

ok, I trust u

[paper oriole]

Ive seen a stego kill two dryos who were eating and then vacuum that fuckin bush

[quiet estuary]

And staying at 20% food constantly with grazing isnt a safe enough bet

I remember I ran towards a bush, a teno who i was herded with for quite a decent amount of time ran past me and started eating it

I three called it like 4 times while i was going there as a steg and it kept eating
Then complained in global after i killed it

Was a funny scenario ngl

[pale bloom]

? Never seen such thing since I played the QA , the worst thing Ive seen is adult Stego killing another just because that Stego was toxic, let's be realistic herbs don't fight for food in the current build and you see them mixpacking 90% of the time

Hopefully diets change that

[paper oriole]

Ive seen tenos and stegos kill weak herbis for food multiple times

Guess its just different experiences

[quiet estuary]

I normally see it happen near central
My main guess is cuz all the edible bushes are miles away by the time of day so they are a too lazy to share the little food that spawns nearby

[pale bloom]

[paper oriole]

Hopefully diets bring more nodes snd dont just split different foods among the spawnrate we have now lol

Or it will be impossible to be social

[quiet estuary]

Remember when bushes stopped respawning when they were eaten back in like udpate 1
And you had to travel for miles or fight for the only bushes in places that other players are

[pale bloom]

Last time I've seen herbs at Central it was a massive mixpack divided in groups being aggro torwards everything that wasn't an herb, maybe is server dependant

[paper oriole]

Competition is one thing but an outright hunger games when your faction is already vastly outnumbered is another, i still wanna be able to find a herd

[quiet estuary]

Ngl that time was some of the most fun ive had as a herbi

[paper oriole]

With more water sources later on traveling wont be as much of a bitch to do

Right now it isnt fun especially as a stego

[quiet estuary]

Was about to say

Stegos the only animal i have real issues traveling with due to such low water time

[cyan flame]

Good stego!

[paper oriole]

“Dryo players? Not on my watch”

[cyan flame]

I've had to smack a few tenontos as stego to make them stop eating the food I wanted :p Didn't have the heart to swing at them, but a bite seems to work most of the time

[haughty forge]

Well killing for bushes is better than killing for nothing I guess? I'm not against KOS but I find it sad that now I don't get close to stegos as herbi (even as other stego) just because I've seen 2 of them coming close to tenonto drinking to destroy them right after.

[quiet estuary]

Quick question Joking,

Were the tenontos with a dryo juvi and a few utahs at the time

[haughty forge]

nope we were only tenos, the stegos just wanted to kill things and it was some weeks ago

[quiet estuary]

Alr then, just asking as I saw something similar while playing Ptera

[haughty forge]

but again, it's not a pb in my eyes that people wanna fight every thing I'm used to it, I does just add that to my trust issues in the isle players XD. Plus, herbivores are such a few part of the population that it makes me sad that they are sometimes killing each other like that, that's all.

[sturdy widget]

Utahs feel like probable shit rollers, they're social and bork

[paper oriole]

No rolling in shit that is the BIGGEST reason that shit shouldnt be added because all the nasty RPers and fetishists

[honest sparrow]

Fucking scat

We already have mud

[paper oriole]

how tf would rolling in shit hide your scent

if it is USED as a tracking tool

[honest sparrow]

It would do like the exact opposite

[paper oriole]

people just want to play deviantart in the isle

keep your fetishes out of the isle people

[limber hull]

we have mud, why would any creature EVER wallow in shit

that's literally asking for an infection

[paper oriole]

if there was one dino i'd see doing it it's rugops because i want him to be a disgusting animal that rolls in rotten gore and toxic plants to make it unappealing to predators, but i'd even drop that because people would just use it to be immature

and it's also just my person ideal for rugops so it probably wont be his niche anyway

[compact hare]

@nimble helm chicken, boar, rabbit, goat, frogs... all confirmed ais

[hoary dawn]

sea turtle

crab

[compact hare]

^ oh that too!

[tight lantern]

now all we need is lizard!

[compact hare]

Lizard and bugs

[nimble helm]

I say tiny one's like beavers for baby deino or rats for the other land carni's

[compact hare]

baby deino can live of fish and drown juvies or even subs with ease, I imagine

but beavers arent a bad idea either

[nimble helm]

@compact hare And yes those are all good things

[tight lantern]

otters feel more right than beavers if that were to be a thing

[nimble helm]

Yeah true

[compact hare]

I really want rats bcuz...
well, humans

[tight lantern]

definitely need insects

[nimble helm]

Yeah oh and those tiny mammals will give thing for humans to hunt

Rabbits are really good for that

[compact hare]

this too

[nimble helm]

Ants? Am i right

[tight lantern]

Termites and chilllll

[compact hare]

kinda, termites

[nimble helm]

Ah

[compact hare]

I can see oro, taco, the small ones having a sticky tongue and good claws to break the cathedrals and eat the termites

[ashen elm]

I want the south american termite mounds. They glow in the dark.

[nimble helm]

Yeah and you know how they where talking about the giant Dome things with different bioms in them and there might be a desert biom in one and it can have that?

But i would rather a normal biom on the map and not a giant dome

[compact hare]

Hmm... || ||

[compact hare]

both are good, I like both ideas

[nimble helm]

Maybe they can add that to the smaller map

[ashen elm]

they actually do glow though

[compact hare]

Yes yes, deffinetly termites

[ashen elm]

definitely not evil fireflies that are luring insects into a trap 😳

[nimble helm]

They look good I can see them being in the open fields on the map

[ashen elm]

Definitely, plus a natural light source at night would be interesting.

[nimble helm]

Yeah 100% yeah

[compact hare]

bring the fireflies back too

I miss them

and the butterflies too

[ashen elm]

Yes. Island feels kinda empty despite how loud the ambience is

[compact hare]

(insect) these ones were a little bit ugly but I like them too

[nimble helm]

Yeah it's like having the Little baby hebi's peacefully playing with a butterfly before something bad happens like in the movies.

[ashen elm]

There were butterflies in the Hope trailer too
We need them for accuracy

[nimble helm]

What I want is the little rivers for the sucho's to hunt fish in and not just jumping in the water a diving in all the time to get a fish (As seen in path if titans)

Just sticking his nose in the water

[ashen elm]

Hopefully we'll get fast-moving streams, ponds, lakes and rivers.
So far we just have the last one.

[nimble helm]

We had one pond in the old map

[honest sparrow]

Honestly the fact we even made these posts in the first place is just why

[hoary dawn]

its pretty funny cuz its against the rules of the server to post vulgar content

[ashen wasp]

[insert JP Triceratops dung meme here]

[honest sparrow]

Indeed

[barren zephyr]

Poop in the isle

[oblique crane]

[paper oriole]

We stand united against dinosaur poop

[honest sparrow]

Fuck dinosaur poop

All my homies hate dinosaur poop

[barren zephyr]

[compact hare]

Its not only bcuz of the jokes ppl will make

It bcuz... Its disgusting

[barren zephyr]

roleplayers

[cyan flame]

If you had any logical reasons against it, but you do not

Not a single one of you is arguing logically, you're just being emotional

[hasty dagger]

Because it’s gross and any other mechanic could do the stuff pee and poop would provide.

[cyan flame]

See, gross is not a logical argument

[hasty dagger]

I’m not denying pee and poop would be useful

[barren zephyr]

Are you actually serious right now.

[cyan flame]

That's you having an emotional issue

[hasty dagger]

[cyan flame]

Yes, becuase I consider the mechanic itself

[barren zephyr]

for what.

what purpose does it have

[hasty dagger]

That another mechanic can’t fulfill

[cyan flame]

For what it could do, extended tracking, afk deterrent, and so on

Yes, another mechanic could do the same

But that's just it, you're against the mechanic because you have an issue with the subject

That is not a valid argument

Hence why I'm calling you out for being emotional and not logical

[barren zephyr]

So, you want poop In the game for “tracking” even though it makes 0 sense whatsoever, and there are other ways you can execute the mechanic. yet you want every dinosaur to piss and shit just because?

[cyan flame]

I don't care if they add it or not

[barren zephyr]

It would be better if they didn’t

[cyan flame]

I care about a mechanic that can be used like that, if it as a mechanic is good or bad

[barren zephyr]

“Logical” or not it’s weird for the isle

[cyan flame]

The difference is simply that I don't think "defecation" as a subject is an issue, nor do I believe it is a valid argument

Because it's a subjective opinion

Most of your arguments aren't against the mechanic or what it might do

You're just against the idea of "shit", which is fair enough to be

[hasty dagger]

So you would gladly associate yourself with shit, no qualms about it

[cyan flame]

But at least admit it's just that you have an issue with, and that it's exactly that, a personal issue

Why would I have an issue with something like in Hunter:Primal that I watched gameplay of

[barren zephyr]

It is an opinion yes, but you’re forgetting that it’s unnecessary for the game. it doesn’t really have much of a purpose, unless you’re a filthy roleplayer and you’re into that. Hope nobody is in to that but yeah

Knowing the isle community it’s plausible

[cyan flame]

You do it like blood pooling in the game currently. A little "spot", of some dark, blending in color, that you can sniff to notice, like a footprint. Then maybe press E on it for some more detailed information in some manner, kind of like BoBs megalo sniff

The thing is, I don't imagine any animations or models or anything, so to me there's.. you know, nothing really visual or.. otherwise weird

It coud literally be a dark patch on the ground, like the footprints currently are, or similar

[barren zephyr]

Well, if they add if defecation and urination, there will likely be animations as well. (Probably)

[cyan flame]

That's why I focus on the mechanic

Because there's no reason what so ever for an animation or anything

[hasty dagger]

So just.. puddle of piss.. on the floor now

[cyan flame]

We don't need an animation for "mating" do we? Why would we need one in this case?

So to me it seems like you have a tendency to make it.. I don't know, more detailed than there's ever a need for

And then acting upon that being an issue

[hasty dagger]

You can still fertilize eggs externally, and a male is required for nesting now, it still makes sense

[cyan flame]

And it would somehow be.. disturbing if there's a dark patch on the ground that you'd probably not even see unless you sniff it?

[barren zephyr]

If it’s possible I wouldn’t really use shit as a substance for tracking, at least not in terms of actual gameplay. Maybe rubbing your scent on a tree or, the obvious. Wallowing. Removing your scent for. …30 seconds if I remember correctly

[cyan flame]

I'm just trying to point out, a lot of the arguments of "fetish" or whatever strange sentiments you seem to have, could easily be avoided by.. you know, not making it particularily visual or otherwise strange

I'm personally fine if they use some other method, I just wouldn't mind an more extended tracking mechanic and all that

I just take issue with how most of the arguments is basically "I dislike it" or "Someone might be weird about it"

Okay, so? Kill them ingame, walk the other way? If someone does something ingame you find offensive, then you can do something about it

[cyan flame]

Yes, but do you need an amination for that? Would it not be enough to stand near nest, interact with, done? :p

Maybe that's why I don't see the same issue, I don't really see a need for animation or anything for these things

But if you're going to be against something, or for, at least try and focus on the actual mechanic, because you're making an issue out of something that really isn't, unless it's in your own minds. I read this, and thought of it ingame no more different than I would read a newspaper IRL. I interact with something, I get some info or something, that's it. So I'm having a hard time understanding why some of you seem to take it so.. emotionally

[honest sparrow]

I dislike it personally and because I see tracking and discouraging afk growth as things that other mechanics can cover

[barren zephyr]

the point is, why would they need to add in shit and piss when there’s ways to implement it in. Not so uncanny weird ways. Like yeah it makes sense In a realistic standpoint. But the question is. Is it good for the game in the long run? In my perspective no. It would change almost nothing about the game. yeah sure tracking. but why? It could be alright if they didn’t add animations. but. I digress. At a gameplay standpoint it is by all means uncanny and strange for the game. Hopefully the devs are joking with this “shit” (get it I’m funny) and move on.

[cyan flame]

Better, I'd personally appreciate it if this is more how your feedbacks look like. A bit more focus on the mechanic. There's some valid points, and like I said, I'm personally fine either way. I do think a more extended tracking could be interesting, like I said, BoB megalo sniff if someone knows what I mean with that.

[hoary dawn]

there is no logical reason for shit to be added

do not pretend there is

[cyan flame]

There is. It functions for said tracking, as well as any potentially similar mechanic.

[hoary dawn]

how

we have so many ways to track things

what does poop provide for tracking that something else cant

[cyan flame]

Currently, tracks only. And they don't tell you much. But you could of course add to that instead.

There's nothing that poop adds specifically, I'm talking about the mechanic

But for the same reason, there's no logical reason against it either. The mechanic is logical, the specific implementation is subjective.

[hoary dawn]

how is tracking poop any different to tracking footprints

[cyan flame]

I care about the mechanic, I do not care about the specific implementation, like you lot do

The difference would lie in how long the track last, and what info it gives

Just like how you could have territorial markings for only your own species you could put out as warnings

A quieter way of telling others of your kind that "This area is taken, leave or fight"

[frigid storm]

here's how it could be different; when a dinosaur moves, they leave footprints but in the new scent system, the tracks wouldn't "glow," instead, they would still be a different color and highlighted, but wouldn't be as obvious. However if a dinosaur recently laid waste, they'd leave more potent tracks for a period of time unless they moved into water. The waste itself would also be more easily tracked

[cyan flame]

I'm sure that could also be done in different ways, and not just by scratching a tree or something

[frigid storm]

fuckl

[hoary dawn]

there are so many other ways they could implement that without the downsides of it being literal feces

[cyan flame]

Of course. At no point did I say it had to be feces, I'm saying that being against it because you dislike the subject or.. are worried for what someone else might do is not a very logical reason, that's you making up some sort of nightmare scenarios or something

[hoary dawn]

its disgusting

[cyan flame]

Well, so you say :p

[frigid storm]

do you poop

[cyan flame]

But if they just make a slightly darker patch, I don't really see how that would be so disgusting to be honest

Any more than seeing a pool of blood that we currently have

[frigid storm]

tbh

[cyan flame]

Or do you imagine.. what, full models of poop?

[frigid storm]

idk again

poop is another way of you knowing an animal has been in the area

could counter dinos and herds

deinos*

[cyan flame]

Because I'm not seeing animations or models as a part of a mechanic like this, so... maybe to me there's not really much to it, when it comes to any form of interactivity

[limber hull]

I can't imagine the anguish of the Isle modellers up late at night, hands ruffled through hair, carefully modelling in the dietary intake of the specific creature into its shit.

[frigid storm]

LMAOOOO STOP

[cyan flame]

So is it just the subject, is it that you people imagine there would be animations and models, or where exactly would this disgusting or otherwise worriyng facet come in? What is someone supposed to do with a patch on the ground?

[frigid storm]

but fr tho knowing dietary intake would tell you the most likely type of animal nearby

[cyan flame]

Why would you need to do that? ^^ How isn't a patch on the ground, that if you hold E on, you get a "x, y, z percentage" temporarily visible for you?

[frigid storm]

and size of waste would tell you the threat level generally

[cyan flame]

Like how when you hover over your stam/food/water kind of deal

Gives you a vague idea of what this thing might be, and what kind of edibles to look for to find it

[frigid storm]

call me weird but i think seeing big piles of shit adds to the horror element

[jade schooner]

I’m gonna be objective, since it’s apparently gonna be a thing, why not try some constructive ideas so it can work swiftly. (Disclaimer: I’m bringing a veterinarian pov for this)

One thing I thought is maybe feces could hide the scent of tracks around a certain area, due to its prominent smell.

Other thing is manually tracking your vowels, since if you don’t drop what you’ve been saving up, constipations can happen and those things can be dangerous (weight loss, cloacal “clogging”, inability to lay eggs, etc). Could possibly make you unable to eat, and require high levels of water to release.

Maybe if you do it too frequently as well, water and food will be lost. So right times for everything.

[cyan flame]

Nah, I'd rather not see any anims or models, that I can very much agree is .. not needed

[frigid storm]

fetishes? hold up

[jade schooner]

That’s the main fear many have around this subject

[cyan flame]

Honestly, any argument about "roleplayers" or fetishes are completely invalid. What "fear" is there? What do you people imagine is going to happen?

[frigid storm]

i've literally never thought of a fetish as being the problem..

now im concerned

[jade schooner]

It’s literally The one I’ve seen the most XD

[cyan flame]

Someone is going to have to explain that irrational fear

[jade schooner]

Because whatever about it being “disgusting” is just plain dumb and invalid for me

[cyan flame]

I know docktahs in legacy can at times be strange in chat, okay, so.. kill them, or avoid them

Not as if they or anyone else can force you to engage in something you don't want, be it KoSing, Carebearing, Mixing, or.. whatever else you'd dream up

So someone please explain what you're so terrified of

[jade schooner]

Honestly idc whatever others do. Just hope the game can do properly about a mechanic

[limber hull]

i think the idea of fetishisation is very weird. I'm not sure who could fetishise a dinosaur taking a shit, and if they did, these deranged individuals are not all over the place, probably only a few people would find satisfaction, but in the same vein, there are people who fetishise dinosaurs themselves, the concept of eating something, nesting has a good chance to be made weird by some odd individuals, i feel like it's unavoidable, but in the same vein, not going to be a very frequent thing

[jade schooner]

Welcome to the internet lol

[limber hull]

i doubt we'll have hundreds of shitlovers

[jade schooner]

But please, anyways

Read the rest of the thing

That’s what matters

[frigid storm]

herbi problems

[jade schooner]

I’ll take that little part out because it can be taken out of context

Or overblown

Whatever

[frigid storm]

that was like the primary concern

[cyan flame]

I sort of mostly want it as extended tracking, that's about what it can b useful for to me. Footprints are short term, and will only tell you where someone might have gone, and depending on footprints, what it might be. Feces would be long term (another good reason to not make it any more performance demanding than absolutely neccesary), would fade away slowly, giving you a better idea of when this thing was around, and might have more detailed info such as diet, or health status, and similar. Things for a bit more long term planning for a hunt or similar than just "oh, the thing went that way"

[jade schooner]

I like that

[hoary dawn]

that would be the best case scenario if they do add it

[cyan flame]

If someone wants to make the suggestion but replace feces with.. I don't know, something else, extended footprints maybe, then feel free. I don't mind if there's something else. I do think adding more than just footprints can add to things, simple as that really.

I'd personally want a territorial thing as well, as a quieter way of warning people off.

[jade schooner]

Territorial pissings

(It’s a song, btw. I’m just joking around the context)

Are people afraid of trolls taking a dump over other dinos?
I’m trying to figure what’s everyone’s fear. I already mentioned a reason before, but that’s kind of a secluded small demographic (regarding fetishism. That’s how it seemed in some old comments I’ve seen, but don’t quote me on that).

[cyan flame]

@barren zephyrAlso, while this is slightly off topic. Kindly get it through your head that roleplayer does not equate to .. whatever delusions you seem to have. Seeing as I do enjoy proper roleplaying and not once entertained the idea of.. "interacting" with feces, in whatever manner you seem to be concerned about. Unless you think just using a sniff animation on a patch of slightly differently coloured grass would be filthy I guess.

[jade schooner]

This

[cyan flame]

@jade schoonerI have no idea, I would also appreciate if someone could clarify what this worry is all about, what they imagine people will do to them in game, and why they can't just.. run the hell away, or more likely, kill them.

[barren zephyr]

Woah where the hell did that come from

No need for the passive aggressiveness

[cyan flame]

#general-feedback-discussion message
#general-feedback-discussion message
#general-feedback message

[jade schooner]

We’re trying to figure people’s reluctance to the mentioned mechanic

[cyan flame]

@barren zephyrIf you needed a reminder of you mentioning roleplayers, not even fetish or something specific, just "roleplayer". In your feedback as well for that matter.

[jade schooner]

And since one of those is “role players” we need a more deep reasoning through it

Rather than just one word

Or is it a sentence?

[cyan flame]

No idea, just wanted to point it out, because it seems like people have issues understanding that "roleplaying" is.. a pretty varied group and with a whole lot of ideas of what it means and how to execute it in a game.

And while I may have been a bit harsh in my response, I am a little tired of just seeing that as some sort of negative term as soon as someone does something someone else finds odd.

[jade schooner]

My guess is fetishes

[barren zephyr]

My initial statement with roleplayers, is regarding the fact that there are…..interesting people in the community. not just fetishists. roleplayers was the best word to describe the situation henceforth. Since many would probably do that as well. not saying all roleplayers are like that. just getting the statement out. Not a big deal.

[jade schooner]

So it’s a small demographic

[honest sparrow]

Because any and all advantages it presents can be made up for by other frankly more appealing manners than watching a rex dump or spawn a log

[cyan flame]

Maybe not to you, but when it basically just gives the idea that roleplayers equate to that, and the whole "docktah" thing, it can get a bit frustrating

@barren zephyrI trust you can at least understand why I might find it a little irritating. I'll apologize for my tone, but I can at least assure you I've seen far too many comments that just uses roleplayer as some catch-all for whatever weird behaviour they dislike

[barren zephyr]

It’s alright, I may have been a bit harsh on the statement. just wanted to get my point across.

[jade schooner]

Then again, we do not yet know the extent of their thoughts around it. What would it do? And how you think it could be replaced

[cyan flame]

All good, I'd appreciate it if you'd.. be a bit more specific in the future, I do get the point, but still. I should be able to say I enjoy roleplaying and acting as my dinosaur without it conjuring images of weird textmessages and other stuff that I at least have never considered

[frigid storm]

are they adding insects to the game

[jade schooner]

So instead of just saying “no”, maybe bringing up ideas that could work similar, to whatever it could do.

Erik here mentioned something regarding a more durable scent

[cyan flame]

Ambient critters possibly, or just visual things, like the fireflies we had/have(?)

[jade schooner]

I would hope so. Maybe when there are smaller dinos being added

[barren zephyr]

Oh I was referring to the roleplayers that type in everything they do, not act as the dinosaur they choose, I’m fine with them. I just. Have some problems with certain players. That’s all

I’ve encountered those players and it’s not fun

[jade schooner]

Btw I’ll try to add this to a suggestion, if you don’t mind

[frigid storm]

you guys are being toxic about poop.

[cyan flame]

@barren zephyrFair enough, like I said, we're good (at least on my side), just maybe be a bit more specific in the future. No point in making everyone out to be bad when you know there's a difference in how people roleplay and act in this game.

[honest sparrow]

When discussing said mechanics, people often bring up 3 ideas: Tracking, Discouraging afk, and territory

1. For tracking it could make sense, but honestly with the advent of stuff like bleed, footprints, and possible venom in the future, as well as group scent already exist, on top of other mechanics that may exist in the future
2. As for discouraging afk you’d have to balance it to make sure it actually catches said people, but honestly diets and making growth and the main gameplay loop more fun already seems like a fix for that
3. No territorial mechanics occur or are planned to my knowledge, but if they are things like what dondi mentioned about like certain species rubbing against objects or performing certain activities could leave scent behind

[frigid storm]

obviously other people just made the same post, it's so unnecessary

[cyan flame]

You're free to do so.

[jade schooner]

Wasn’t there gonna be a body odour thing gonna happen? That would discourage afk instead of defecation

[honest sparrow]

Punch mentioned it the same day a bit later

[barren zephyr]

I actually don’t mind the body odor thing

[hoary dawn]

punch said it was discussed, not confirmed

[jade schooner]

Like: if you don’t wallow/go into water, dust bath, whatever, you start giving out a scent. Kind of like group scent

[cyan flame]

Venom is specific, if it's still a thing. Blood, is also relatively short term and only really tells you that something is bleeding. Foootprints to me at least should be short term, both because no one wants to have to sneak all the time, and because we don't want an entire area lit up because a group is running around. Territorial markings, at least to me, is different and the main purpose there is to warn another of your kind, not everyone else. So making them visible for everyone is kind of ruining the point there.

[honest sparrow]

Utah musk

[cyan flame]

Hypsi dust bath!

[barren zephyr]

doesn’t matter if he’s hungry

Brachi wallowing

[cyan flame]

And maybe stego .. something that doesn't break it's ribs please

[jade schooner]

Pls

[barren zephyr]

6 ton animal flops on its side like it’s weighs 10 pounds

[honest sparrow]

Idm the body odor thing I guess

[cyan flame]

Afkdeterrent is a bit iffy, but then that's mostly cause I enjoy ambush style hunting, so not sure I want to be given away cause I sit in the same spot for too long :p But if it's a thing only when resting it might work out pretty well for that purpose.

[barren zephyr]

What if they just remove diets and add in the odor mechanic

[cyan flame]

I'm sure some people would be happy with that, seen a few that worries diets will be too much of a bother and all that :p

[barren zephyr]

Diets seem rather iffy, at least at the moment, kinda worried about it but hopefully they won’t make it painful

[hoary dawn]

i doubt it'll be that painful

[jade schooner]

Could be, depending on the extent of it

[barren zephyr]

Diets will definitely be easier for herbivores. Might lead to some combative situations for food though

[valid elk]

Well, you have to actually walk around for food now, and find the right kinda food for yourself.

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, but the food doesn’t run thankfully, you just have to get the food before somebody else gets it

[cyan flame]

I imagine diets will be harsher for herbis than carnis

So not sure if it will be easier

[hoary dawn]

i would assume herbis will have more specific diets since their food cant go offline or run away

while carnis have a decent variety of potential items

[cyan flame]

@frank rampartSounds like you bled out?

[frank rampart]

is that possible? l was JUST in mud and had a + symbol, one utah bite sends me to blackout?

[cyan flame]

Yes, you can bleed out, and from what I know, if you do, it goes like that

[frank rampart]

right. so l dont really get the +

[cyan flame]

If you have too little blood left, no amount of wallowing or resting will save you

[frank rampart]

lm healing bleed....

lve used mud, the icon is now gone

[cyan flame]

That could be a bug if you were dying I suspect

[frank rampart]

get bit once and l go black?

[cyan flame]

Do you know how much bleed you had before you wallowed?

[frank rampart]

also whats with the stam bug?

whats the indicator?

l really dont think bleed ui is really clear

[cyan flame]

How much was left in your blood drop?

Before you wallowed

[frank rampart]

it was a 3rd full on +?

[cyan flame]

And the stam is no bug, very low bleed = barely any stamina/health regen back

[frank rampart]

ahhhh

how aids

[cyan flame]

So the more blood you lose, the worse any regen gets

Hm, I don't know if only a third left is close enough

[frank rampart]

right so utahs can just kills steggos with it. sadge

[cyan flame]

But it could be, maybe you had severe bleed and lost it fast

And if you had that much left, even wallowing and resting would not help

[frank rampart]

right

well its so hard to understand what exactlys happening with the blood icon

[cyan flame]

How long after wallowing did this happen, immediately after?

[frank rampart]

from memory, long drawn out fight, l got bleed off, wallowed, walked to a field, got bit again, imedately had the heart race thing and screen went to black

it was gone, not for long but it was gone

lm so weirded out i died at 25% health

l hope they make bleed easier to understand

maybe add a count in the character page

[cyan flame]

Yeah, bleed out, I guess the last bite added too much bleed to recover from then

But on that screen, you do not have 25% health left?

[frank rampart]

oh l was already screen blacking out, went to take screenshot of my 25% and utahs bit my face

[cyan flame]

But yeah, if you walked around after wallowing, that probably did not help at all

And yes, interface and mechanics could be made clearer for players to understand

[frank rampart]

but l wasnt bleeding :C anyway l'll try and not drag out fights, theres no real end game so people just pvp at central again

[cyan flame]

But in general, if your blood drop is running low, you're in seriously trouble

You still were

[frank rampart]

but what is low??

[cyan flame]

Wallowing does not stop bleeding

It slows it, but no longer stops it

[frank rampart]

is it when the drop is full lm good?

when its empty?

how is + meant to convey?

[icy lion]

plus means youre regaining blood

[frank rampart]

cause l feel everything l know about it is wrong lol

[cyan flame]

Basically, if you don't see the symbol, you're perfectly fine. If its visible, you're bleeding. If it shows +, you're healing bleed. If you get less than half, I would start considering myself dead unless I can both wallow and rest

The covered means you've wallowed, which will slow your blood loss but not stop it, just like resting will slow it

[frank rampart]

i didnt have the symbol when l wallowed, one bite sent me to bleed and l died

lol

[cyan flame]

Then maybe you did just start healing and then the last bite added enough bleed to finish you off

[icy lion]

if you get bit while muddy the effect goes away

[cyan flame]

But in that case you would have been.. very very low on blood

[frank rampart]

but then why not have a +?

gods, they need to make it easier to understand

[cyan flame]

You don't start healing just because you've wallowed

[frank rampart]

if l wasnt at full blood, why hide the bleed

[icy lion]

currently when youre wallowed the "clogged" ui doesnt show the plus when healing, which sucks

[frank rampart]

ahhh

[cyan flame]

Doesn't the clogged go away when you start healing?

[frank rampart]

maybe l got bugged

and it hid my bleed

but l was still bleeding, utah sent me over

thats....kinda shit

[icy lion]

i dont believe so

[cyan flame]

Hm, okay

[icy lion]

but im not certain

[frank rampart]

at 25% hp my animal went black. thats after wallowing/losing bleed symbol and dancing around +/-

by all means l thought l was fit to go, lol

[cyan flame]

If you had only a third of your blood left.. I don't know, I feel like you'd figure that the blood drop going empty would be bad honestly :p

But mechanics are .. poorly explained at times

[icy lion]

there has been reports of a bug where your hp can randomly drain

seems like no one has been able to figure out any specific cause or trigger for it

[frank rampart]

its more in the middle of a fight l cant really understand what the hell it means, l didnt have a huge blood portrait, l was at 75% most of the time, little bleeds took me to 25% as they realized l couldnt swing...cause no stam, then bam.

l dont think it was my hp draining

its more the blood was just not really acting right l think

utahs doing shit but biting my tail shouldnt cause a steggo grief

but ah well

l'll try and shake off bleed in future the fickle fucking thing

thank you for the mechanic explaination

[cyan flame]

Bleed damage is not the same as health, so keep that in mind

You can be barely damaged health wise and still be on the verge of bleeding out

[icy lion]

you can theoretically bleed to death at full health

just like drowning

[oak tapir]

@lethal flare Nah They Should Add Leviathan mellivilei

Ya' know

BIg bad toothed whale

Instead of lio or mosa or krono , This would be great since it dwarfs all of them

[lethal flare]

Eh that wouldn't be fitting with the whole Mesozoic theme.

[oak tapir]

Ik But like...., We gonna get goats and humans

and dinos that lived 100 million years apart

Why not just add this giant whale

[wicked furnace]

Whats that gonna do against mosas though

like

fr

[oak tapir]

Its almost the size of a fucking megalodon

It'd cut a mosa in half

[wicked furnace]

Mosa is 18 metres?

thats 13.5 to 17?

[lethal flare]

Mosa estimates range from 12 to 17 meters long

[oak tapir]

Mosasaurus is the size of an orca i think

[lethal flare]

Livy ranges from 13 to 17.5 meters long

[wicked furnace]

☝️

basically the same size

but i agree with wiseguy, it wouldnt fit

[lethal flare]

Livy was a lot heavier and stockier but I think Mosa fits better since it actually lived at the same time as the Dinos

Kronosaurus is another good option. It was 11 meters long but was a lot heavier than Mosa

[wicked furnace]

Yeah krono would work

[oak tapir]

Ya' know what would fit and would basically crush and destroy anything since its the biggest predator to ever live

[wicked furnace]

Or Nothosaurus

[oak tapir]

Why don't they add megalodon

[wicked furnace]

[silent current]

I would love to see krono

[oak tapir]

I Would love to se meg or levi

[silent current]

then you wont

very unlikely they'll get added

[oak tapir]

[oak tapir]

Well if they gonna add a marine roster someday then levi is gonna be like the acro in terms of the food chain

Megalodon and That giant icthyosaur looking thing

"The sea blimp " as scanova the carnotaurus calls it

and maybe This thing -->

leed

[barren zephyr]

what is the thing with poop and pee in the general feedback channel

i mean jesus

it was confirmed

erm ok

so people are giving suggestions about it

[honest sparrow]

Idk man, I saw it was confirmed, made a feedback on it, and people agreed

[barren zephyr]

well yet again the isle is not a game for children

[lethal flare]

I don't see why they'd add Cenozoic marine animals over Mesozoic marine animals

[barren zephyr]

yep

but the fact that they are adding feces has some nasty implications as to what the community might do with it

yep...

[honest sparrow]

Ok, but like, it’s still piss and shit, and I’ve seen no purpose that isn’t already covered to an extent

[barren zephyr]

well it has other implications as well

for example, if dung does happen to attract insects, some smaller carnivores could use it to lure beetles that they could then eat

burrowing owls do this

in a slightly more disgusting way, juvies could as well use dung to mask their scent, or to make them generally unpalatable (even for a cerato, due to the general risk of disease if they attempt eating it)

[limber hull]

i still think wallowing does the job of that well enough

[barren zephyr]

yeah

[paper oriole]

how would rolling in shit mask scent? it's literally a strong scent used for tracking itself?

thats just begging for more nasty rpers to roll in shit for their childish hee hee giggles

are they really adding carchar? the fuck?

[honest sparrow]

It’s in the files as a soft confirmed skin, I don’t believe it’s actually playable

[paper oriole]

if it's a skin for giga then it makes sense as playable

[honest sparrow]

Yes

If it is actually separate

There is no excuse

To not add tarbo

[paper oriole]

gonna be pissed if they take the effort on remodeling carchar but not dinos that need it like trike who has a dogshit model lol

taking the effort to remodel a literal giga clone but ignoring not-reskin dinos who have old as hell models that look and animate poorly

[honest sparrow]

Trike just needs a healthy and relaxed gym subscription

[paper oriole]

trike's body is too long and his tail is too short he looks like he isn't supposed to be as fa as he is

[honest sparrow]

I don’t really feel intimidated by our trike

It’s an alright model but it’s pretty old and could use a touch up

[paper oriole]

yeah it looks old and tired and not like something that can actually put up a fight

our trike looks depressed

[barren zephyr]

and then they took the effort of remodeling the giga itself

[paper oriole]

plateo could also use a new model when its added

[barren zephyr]

I mean there was nothing wrong with it

[paper oriole]

they took the effort to take the giga and give it a generic design with 0 personality

[honest sparrow]

Honestly you could just make the carchar skin old Giga

[paper oriole]

old giga was iconic

[barren zephyr]

Being realistic here, the scentscape in the future will be a whole lot more well developed

[paper oriole]

if you rolled in literal shit you would reek

[barren zephyr]

Herbivores will be more numerous, thus there will be scent trails scattered all other the place

[paper oriole]

you wouldnt hide your scent

[honest sparrow]

Different types of smells too

[barren zephyr]

also keep in mind I said that rolling in shit would generally discuourage carnivores

[honest sparrow]

Imagine smelling moving shit tho

[barren zephyr]

but it only really works for juvies, nor is shit exactly that abundant

[paper oriole]

if rolling in shit becomes an actual thing it should be some dino's specialty

not everybody rolling in shit

[honest sparrow]

Still

No

[barren zephyr]

not all animals roll in shit

[paper oriole]

especially utahs because a ton of them are nasty little RPers

[barren zephyr]

i mean afaik the only living example is juvenile monitor lizards

[honest sparrow]

Compy could probably do it

[barren zephyr]

but adult monitors are willing to be cannibals

[honest sparrow]

Since it’s small and gross enough

[limber hull]

compy shit goblin

[paper oriole]

if anybody rolls in shit make it rugops, make him roll in everything disgusting, make nobody want to touch him

[honest sparrow]

Even then I’d prefer if they made it hide in corpses by a vast amount

[paper oriole]

i remember somebody suggested compies literally eating shit

[barren zephyr]

but im not exactly supporting the idea of roleplayers

[honest sparrow]

No

[barren zephyr]

but environmental pressures might possibly interrupt this (e.g. AI apex predators)

[paper oriole]

i dont want those nasty fetish uwu roleplayers to get any fuel

[honest sparrow]

I remember like a long sss time ago I heard something about dondi saying compy could kick open logs to get at insects

And I think that would be neat

[limber hull]

can we all agree that if we have a shit fetish player, we cannibalise