general-feedback-discussion

[tidal hill]

which kinda of gun kills a croco ?

[barren zephyr]

Yeah but with current combat, it's melee focused. You gotta get in close quarters to do so.
With weapons you have range, and safe pockets for engagement.

[quiet estuary]

Aikeen I doubt that the buildings will just have infinite ammo

[hybrid matrix]

grenade

[quiet estuary]

It shouldnt be such a simple thing

[crisp idol]

they do not need to

[honest sparrow]

thick as scales and their bones are still pretty strong even if they are hollow

[crisp idol]

but if you have 10 players , 3 snipers and 7 assault rifles

[tidal hill]

I mean for real?

grenade?

[crisp idol]

what will stop you from going from one loot zone to another?

[quiet estuary]

The fact that the zones themselves shouldnt have 100% confirmed items of that power

[barren zephyr]

Players will still dump mags to enact vengeance on a deino
You could make water stop bullets though.

[crisp idol]

does not matter if the first one has

they cann just go EVERYWHERE

nobody will attack 10 armed merchs

[honest sparrow]

even so I doubt most guns would do much to a deino

[quiet estuary]

I would

Sounds like fun

[honest sparrow]

I would 100%

[quiet estuary]

I may die but itll be fun as fuck

[crisp idol]

if they are not braindead

[quiet estuary]

and they will waste ammo on me

[crisp idol]

you should have no chance

[tidal hill]

indeed!

[limber hull]

i doubt the game will give you enough ammo to reliably kill an entire deino exceptionally quickly, especially since most ammo and guns has to be found

[crisp idol]

and if it happens on this map with 99% open field

good luck with getting close

[quiet estuary]

I mean small hitboxed + fast + dense foliage = hard to hit with guns
Youll most likely just have to spray and pray which may lead to friendly fire

[crisp idol]

LOL?

[honest sparrow]

since humans aren't 3rd person I'd just abuse that to its fullest extent

[barren zephyr]

Oh fuck
I just realized
The plains would become a no mans land
Scoping and gunning down everything in sight with little space to ambush them

[crisp idol]

you have not played a lot of shooters right?

nobody with a bit of aim sprays

and a utah is a huge target

[quiet estuary]

I dislike shooters
But that doenst stop an animal from being hard to hit

[ebon coyote]

Maybe there will be a way to make even more ammo Like almost all ihrer survival Games?

[quiet estuary]

Utah is a human sized target moving at 60kph

[crisp idol]

yep

just play any actual shooter

and run open field

and see what happens xD

[quiet estuary]

You get sniped

But you also arent moving at 60kph in thos games

[honest sparrow]

mercs probably won't be able to craft

[crisp idol]

yes you are

in battlefield for example

[quiet estuary]

Unless you are driving a vehicle

[crisp idol]

not hard to shoot the driver out of the buggy

[quiet estuary]

A car is a large target

[limber hull]

humans literally cannot run from like, any of the dinos in-game because they're too small. Also, again, still don't think snipers are going to be added, or if they are, exceptionally sparingly

[crisp idol]

you need to hit the driver in Battlefield

and still

[quiet estuary]

without the easy capability to turn

[barren zephyr]

Actually most of the dinos are pretty big right?

[tidal hill]

we just need to be honest, humans are small and weak ... they have to have something strong ... weapons

[crisp idol]

with a bit of skill it is not a hard thing

[limber hull]

no, humans are too small. The dinos are big

[quiet estuary]

Itll be a hard thing when there are also creatures like herrera, troodon, etc

[tidal hill]

this balance will make them broken

[honest sparrow]

the only shooter game I can compare to moving as a small target going that fast is titanfall, and all those weapons are idiotically good at focusing people down

[tidal hill]

they will hide pretty easily

[quiet estuary]

Utah is menuverable so that also is a good example

[limber hull]

i dont think their weapons will be their primary strength tho. Being small, they can hide well, thus don't really need to always rely on guns

[crisp idol]

@honest sparrow Apex is the same with all the movement abilities, jumps and so on

and still you get killed there very often in motion

[honest sparrow]

not really

titanfall is very much a faster experience

at least imo

[limber hull]

Apex is way slower than Titanfall

[crisp idol]

yes but i compare it to the movementspeed of the isle

[ebon coyote]

Some Shooter experienced people Just have an sick AIM, they Hit Stuff like an Utahin the head for sure

[limber hull]

again

this is why I'm anti-sniper

[quiet estuary]

I doubt that itll be that simple nayla

[honest sparrow]

good, they deserve to get rewarded

[crisp idol]

a utah in the isle is not moving faster then people in apex

[tidal hill]

I agree with ya !

[quiet estuary]

isnt apex a battle royale
How are [people moving 60kph in that game

[limber hull]

i dont think the people in Apex are moving 50+km/hr

sorry

[crisp idol]

they do

[honest sparrow]

who is the fastest legend in apex again

I honestly forgot

[barren zephyr]

I think weapons like ar's, smgs, shotguns, sniper, etc. Should all be quite rare to get your hands on as a human.
They should stick to more primitive weapons on ocassion, like spears, knives, hatchets, or arrows.
No one would want to lose their 8 hour Rex to a RPG launcher.

[crisp idol]

just use ziplines

or the jump pads

or some abilities

[honest sparrow]

spears, and shit like that are tribals, for mercs it is very much guns and knives

[brazen hedge]

They are then moved by a technology, not by their musculles

[limber hull]

those abilities don't make them move at 50+k/hr

[crisp idol]

that is not the point raptor

[tidal hill]

Well, hope humans in this game will be humans haha

[quiet estuary]

I think primal carnage is a better comparison to how itll feel like shooting at small fast moving targets in the bushes
Except they move even faster than pce

[crisp idol]

Stop here

[barren zephyr]

Still, it'd be less of a nightmare to balance around

[honest sparrow]

honestly handguns are like perfect imo

[crisp idol]

the point i wanted to say is: in many games you have fast moving targets

and people hit those targets

[honest sparrow]

yes they do

[crisp idol]

so in the isle

[barren zephyr]

Handguns or sidearms could work

[crisp idol]

those people will hit running utahs too if they are good

[limber hull]

i think this game should be far more balanced in the favour of the dino than Primal Carnage in a case of dino v human combat. Humans should avoid dinos, not constantly engage

[honest sparrow]

congrats, you hit a target, you got rewarded

[quiet estuary]

Obviously wave

It was just an example of how it should feel when you have a swarm of raptors surroudning you in the brush

and you gotta shoot em

less the balance route there

[ebon coyote]

Til Dr Disrespect and Shrould start playing, then everyone cries 😂 👌 First this "Family Play - Pwlease Don Keal Meeee - guys" then everyone else

[quiet estuary]

What

[honest sparrow]

what the fuck am I even reading

[barren zephyr]

Shroud sniping Apexes lmao

[crisp idol]

dr disrespect would kill a deino just with his bare hands

[limber hull]

what, shoot a utah for no reason, loud gun sound plays, and now there are 6 more utahs coming your way. Doesn't sound like it's too unbalanced

[crisp idol]

okay i need to repeat myself

[tidal hill]

without weapons strength humans will be like blood bags for utahs and other small dinos, easy prey ! =/

[limber hull]

you shoot your gun, you fuck over your stealthy positioning

[barren zephyr]

Okay, realistic reload times could make fucking around with playables more risky too

[tidal hill]

it's really complicated situation haha

[ebon coyote]

You never Ran Info this Guys that Always Scream "Friendly!"

[crisp idol]

i said it will be an issue in the isle when you got clans who allready got an equipped squad with 7 or 10 people

[quiet estuary]

Realistic reload times would be fucking amazing

[crisp idol]

because then they can just go everywhere and loot wherever they want

[honest sparrow]

I have, its just in that sentence I had no idea what you were saying

[quiet estuary]

so would things like bullets being affected by gravity and wind

[crisp idol]

because unless a very well big planned attack

nothing can stop them

or another clan with kinda the same gear

[honest sparrow]

honestly pce is a great example of how to balance this kind of thing despite the fact its a deathmatch game essentially

[barren zephyr]

Apex already does that and it works well. Same with Battlefield
Though wind sounds new

[ebon coyote]

I have Seen many "UwUs" talking Like this 😂

[quiet estuary]

Sniper elite was a good example of the type of sniping i am thinking of

[limber hull]

i mean, they need to safely gather those weapons first

[crisp idol]

yes for sure

but they can use "deaddrops"

[quiet estuary]

I havent played it in a while but you had to take literally everything from the earths curviture to gravity to the wind to actually get your shots

[crisp idol]

create toon, run to loot, bring it to base or die

and do that repeatingly

[quiet estuary]

that shouldnt be that easty

[honest sparrow]

its all about maintaining, if anything gets the drop on you it could be curtains

[barren zephyr]

Kind of like how diets work
Humans would need to be constantly scavenging to increase their power level

[crisp idol]

like in tarcov with a scavenger

[quiet estuary]

you should just
"run to loot"

[crisp idol]

they will reach 1 point

where they are overgeared

[honest sparrow]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if compies were able to solo mercs

[quiet estuary]

firearms should be a lengthy process to get

[crisp idol]

and then they have unlimited resources

[limber hull]

eh, i really don't like the idea of snipers, for some god forsaken reason, being more impacted by gravity than any other gun. Apex and Fortnite do this shit and it's just so stupid from any reasonable physics standpoint

[quiet estuary]

It should be all guns

snipers just more as its far longer distance so more time for something to go wrong

[tidal hill]

I will be honest with you guys, now there's UE5, they will stop doing this game and start developing a new The Isle... just kidding 😂

[crisp idol]

sniper elite does only work as a game because it is scripted events

[quiet estuary]

The events are scripted, but the firerams being affected by physics still play a role

[limber hull]

i just dont like snipers honestly, and i doubt anything will change my mind that putting a sniper rifle in a game full of flat, open plains with unranged foes, is a bad idea

[crisp idol]

yeah but in many games they are

[quiet estuary]

which is what im saying should happen in this game
snipers or no snipers

[crisp idol]

bullet drop and wind only does not make it hard

just play arma 3

there you have wind and bulletdrop

it is just a small setting on your gun

and bit of aiming

[barren zephyr]

Honestly I'm pretty confident that with a sniper I'd be capable of solo'ing some packs here and there when catching them off guard
(Unless there's realistic reload times)

[tidal hill]

well guys, i will sleep, have a good night and it's good to discuss about our favorite game! Keep it up

[crisp idol]

if you have a sniper rifle, you have a scope and on a scope you can just set your zeroing.

if you set the zeroing right, the bulletdrop does not matter

[honest sparrow]

should be realistic loading times tbh

[crisp idol]

because the zeroing 100% counters that

[honest sparrow]

as soon as you go loud packs are gonna either scram or focus you

[barren zephyr]

I can already see Isle meme youtubers creating death squads and cleansing herbi herds

[limber hull]

the fact that everyone here has to go through many possibilities on how the sniper should be changed to make it balanced already proves its a bad idea tbh

[crisp idol]

and the whole merc idea

if they show up as a hired team

on an island of dinosaurs

i bet they will bring the right ammonition type with them

[limber hull]

im fine with anything they do as long as it isnt snipers tbh

[crisp idol]

does not matter what scales you are facing with some good old uranium hardened armor piercing ammo

[barren zephyr]

Like I said, it'd need a lot of work to implement, almost as much as a seperate game. And the game currently doesn't need humans, it needs more mechanics and dino's

[crisp idol]

yep

like i said

[quiet estuary]

I think the best starting tooks for mercs is a knife and a flashlight"
with maybe like some rations

[crisp idol]

make humans a different game mode

[limber hull]

and a pistol probs tbh

[quiet estuary]

Nah

[honest sparrow]

mercs are hired, but they're more like "imma push you off this plane, good luck"

[quiet estuary]

oh my

[honest sparrow]

knife and flashlight is perfect

[quiet estuary]

mercs shouldnt start with something htat can already 1 shot some playables

[ebon coyote]

Well - Idk. If u have humans for god sake xD there should be a bit of crafting tho. Like Traps and stuff?

[quiet estuary]

so that is why a pistol is a nogo

[crisp idol]

and they magically appear on the map?

[quiet estuary]

dinos do it as well

[crisp idol]

there was nesting...

[quiet estuary]

Even with nesting

[honest sparrow]

^

[quiet estuary]

you could spawn magically on the map

[honest sparrow]

leave that stuff for tribals

[crisp idol]

the whole shit with humans simply makes no sense

tribals yeah

but mercs

[ebon coyote]

Well is it not something that should be explained in the lore?

[crisp idol]

they either come fully equiped

or appear magically

[quiet estuary]

We dont know the lore in its full extent

[honest sparrow]

lets just say the appear magically

[limber hull]

spawn in human bases i suppose

[honest sparrow]

I like to imagine they're people conscripted by evil walmart to do their bidding on an island full of dinosaurs, minimally equipped and left to die essentially

[frigid storm]

i just want the rubber banding to be fixed. getting bitten when you're miles away from something is just, so frustrating that it leads some people to stop playing

[crisp idol]

and the gear there just spawns magically also and respawns

[quiet estuary]

Idk, personally I think the best way to add humans is like you have missions you gotta do which eventually allow you to escape the island

[limber hull]

Literally GTFO vibes, exactly what I want

[crisp idol]

a point of the game i like is that right now that shit does not magically appear

your food is mostly other players

that is nice

[ebon coyote]

Its Jurassic Park - The World Beyond

[quiet estuary]

It does magically appear

[crisp idol]

my food does not appear with magic and unicornpoop

[frigid storm]

literally no, the point of humans should just be to survive and that's it

[quiet estuary]

when you spawn in as a player you magically appear in the middle of the island

[honest sparrow]

ai

[frigid storm]

maybe the tribals should only be able to survive but mercs have missions? idk

[crisp idol]

in legacy there were servers with only nesting

[quiet estuary]

Add something to their gameplay

[limber hull]

criminals put into a hyper-dangerous situation with guns against extremely powerful beasts and say "do this or die trying, bye"

[crisp idol]

so everybody who spawned

[honest sparrow]

everything in this game magics itself into existence

[quiet estuary]

Nah unstable

[crisp idol]

was hatched

[frigid storm]

surviving

[quiet estuary]

tribals got them blind form

or whatever

[crisp idol]

so nobody just magically appeard

[honest sparrow]

entire schools of fish are literally wiped out and reappear

[crisp idol]

lies

fishes never reappear

[quiet estuary]

They reappear elsewhere

[crisp idol]

sometimes you search them for ours

[quiet estuary]

most likely in the empty parts of the map so they dont get automatically killed and just stay there inactive'

[crisp idol]

and not a single one appears

*hours

[quiet estuary]

Their main goal should be surviving yes unstable
But similar to dinos with elders you should have an endgoal

[crisp idol]

nope

it is a pvp killing game

there is no need for an endgame

[honest sparrow]

and sometimes you wipe them out and then their kids magic into adulthood ready to get eaten again

[crisp idol]

grow adult an kill each other

[limber hull]

i believe their goal is maintaining and repairing the bases around the map, otherwise they are fucked

[quiet estuary]

Elders are confirmed Aikeen

[crisp idol]

that is endgame

[barren zephyr]

Endgoal for humans is attaining the rocket launcher lmao

[quiet estuary]

that is an endgoal

[honest sparrow]

there is in fact an endgame

[quiet estuary]

Hypers exist

that is an endgoal

[crisp idol]

there is no goal in a survival game then survive

[limber hull]

why in god's name would this game have a rocket launcher

[crisp idol]

if you are an elder and get killed

start new

[quiet estuary]

As an elder you die and gain benefits for your next life

[honest sparrow]

^

[crisp idol]

if that is really the case

[quiet estuary]

That is an endgoal for that creature that you wish to achieve

[crisp idol]

i will actually refund

[quiet estuary]

Well bud

[barren zephyr]

I'm just kidding

[quiet estuary]

Guess you gotta refund

[honest sparrow]

have I got news for you

[crisp idol]

because that is the most stupid shit i have heard for the game

never heard that they will stick

[barren zephyr]

Rocket launchers would be for the resting dinoes

[quiet estuary]

"Elders are larger, more powerful variations of the adult stage of life. They are only accessible by following certain diet and perk pathways. While elders start off stronger than the highest tier adult of their species, over time they depreciate in strength until time releases them from their reign. You may choose to embrace death and die with a bonus you can apply to that species later on. Or, depending on your species, you can forfeit reward, deny the reaper for a time and extend your reign as something far more terrifying."

in the elder tab of the roadmap

[limber hull]

on one hand, that's stupid as fuck

on the other hand, watching someone go "say your prayers you lizard fuck" then detonating a baby utah would have me cry laughing

[crisp idol]

and still this is not endgame

[barren zephyr]

Dude rocket launchers would break the game in the funniest way

[crisp idol]

because still your "quest" is to survive

[honest sparrow]

explosives in general are funny as fuck

[quiet estuary]

And humans quest is too survive as well

But while surviving
You can do other things

[honest sparrow]

I literally want to build a base out of c4

[barren zephyr]

A herrara minding it's business in the trees?
Blow this little shit down

[crisp idol]

how is that linked to anything i have said?

[limber hull]

"private, why did you use a rocket launcher on a hypsi"
"sir, he spitted in my eye and made me cry, sir"

[honest sparrow]

and then when literallly anything shows its face I blow it the fuck up

[crisp idol]

i just said an endgame where there is nothing else to do is stupid

[quiet estuary]

because those other things lead to an endgoal

[crisp idol]

because that is what endgame means

[honest sparrow]

THE PENGUINS DLC

[quiet estuary]

which will lead you to your next animals life

[crisp idol]

endgame means, when you beat it you are done

you have won

[barren zephyr]

Bro ten players with rocket launchers would have a Rex begging for it's life

[quiet estuary]

endgame is the end of that playthrough

[ebon coyote]

Im totally up for blowing up Herraras

[crisp idol]

no

[quiet estuary]

So, elders would be the end of that dinosaurs playthrough

[crisp idol]

it is the end of a game

[quiet estuary]

That would be enjoyable

Welp guys, Im headed off to sleep now
Bye

[crisp idol]

I want to be a cool alien

like a predatorr

[barren zephyr]

basically strains

[crisp idol]

would fit into the horror setting

[ebon coyote]

Can I get an unicorn?

[honest sparrow]

fuck it why not

[crisp idol]

only an alien zombie unicorn

[barren zephyr]

Maybe in pot, mods and shit

[limber hull]

aikeen, what are you talking about

these are jokes

[crisp idol]

mines are also -.-

i want a Doom BFG 😦

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/EagerDangerousGoosefish-size_restricted.gif

[ebon coyote]

Yes, to use on Hatchlings

[paper oriole]

If a herrera tries to drop onto a kentro what would happen to it

[edgy hamlet]

im sure you know it

[paper oriole]

Gets Swiss cheesed like a punji pit fall

Would be cool if his drop could stun and deal flat damage to small dinos like the legendary drop bears though

[honest sparrow]

kentro is basically anti latch or grab

[paper oriole]

I hope it has collision damage that just totally fucks over utahs and herreras that try to pounce

Not some tiny poke damage

[honest sparrow]

yes

[hasty dagger]

Like the trike impale from those early development clips?

[paper oriole]

Pretty much, depending on there it hits

[meager tiger]

i dont get why people hate the bushes near the cliffs. like isnt nature supposed to be cruel. not everything is easy. its your fault you ran the direction when getting chased. Couldnt you also use it to your advtange by crouching in a bush and the carniviore goes flying off

[frigid storm]

honestly in a game where you're expected to spend a lot of time growing your dinosaurs, there is no excuse for it being unplayable.

[hoary dawn]

wdym?

[barren zephyr]

Probably about the desync

[hoary dawn]

pretty sure the excuse for desync is they haven't found a solid fix for it yet

[frigid storm]

desync, rubber banding, performance, take your pick

[urban flax]

There is one
The game being in alpha

[urban flax]

@sly vessel #isle-discussion is the best channel to ask questions regarding the game.

[sly vessel]

Alright, thank you so much!

[frigid storm]

game should be playable above all else. the game is highly focused around combat, at least make it stable to move around the game.

[urban flax]

It will be, just be patient

[frigid storm]

it doesn't change the fact that it isn't

[urban flax]

Don't complain about an alpha game having bugs

[frigid storm]

nobody's complaining, it's a feedback channel, what's your deal

[urban flax]

Saying something is bad and "there is no excuse" without giving solutions is complaining, not giving feedback

[frigid storm]

feedback could be as simple as pointing out an issue, not providing a solution

the more people 'complain', 'point out,' whatever you wanna say, about latency and the server issues, the more important of an issue it'll become.

therefore leading to more attention being placed on it

[urban flax]

I'm pretty sure devs already have all their attention focused on the rubberbanding problem

[frigid storm]

that's obviously not true, other attention has to be placed on content, too. they know that

i'm js it's an exxaggeration

[paper oriole]

If theri is slower than rex then the rex should require more skill in the melee, which would feel kind of wrong

If theri is slower than apexes while also not having the upper hand then it is unviable

[urban flax]

I really don't see theri being slower than rex or deinocheirus

[paper oriole]

it should at least be in the giga situation where it can get away from a rex easily if it sees it before its right on top of it

though that depends if rex keeps its ambusher niche

giga has unfavourable odds against rex in legacy but can easily escape due to its superior long term mobility so theri could have this

[urban flax]

@wanton hull This is not actually cheating
This is unfair gameplay, but not cheating

[wanton hull]

One of the carnos was obviously cheating as he found me while i wallowed in the middle of the forest far away from my last location

close to jungle gym i reckon

[urban flax]

Then you should point out that happened and was likely cheating

Although it can also be that they were just playing on low graphics

[latent cave]

Or they had a TV as a monitor and and high graphics

Honestly it's really easy to see things that way

[limber hull]

cheats, carnos and mega/mixpacks are constant mixes in this game

[wanton hull]

wish we could play with rules

[limber hull]

i just wish carno wasnt so broken, because everyone who likes playing unfairly plays carno

[wanton hull]

teutonic had rules it was the best experience ive had in evrima

they could have been a dryos and id still not stand a chance

they where just so many

[limber hull]

tbf, i have also seen a dryo megapack

its fucking hilarious

[odd sedge]

Yeah mega packs suck but it's neither hacking nor cheating since nothing stops them in the game currently

[meager tiger]

Why do they want to make a sauropod run faster than a therapod? (magy outrunning a allo is stupid?)

[paper oriole]

Eliminate magy

[meager tiger]

maybe not fully get rid of it but idk maybe its got a fuckton of HP since its phat?

[paper oriole]

Its not all that fat

And its scutes dont cover a whole lot

[meager tiger]

how about reach

like a tail whip?

[paper oriole]

Its tail could probably whip but not that good for sauropod standards

[odd sedge]

I have to agree to some extend.
A bad taste doesn't really serve for the viability of the creature since there will always be people that will just kill them for sport and leave the corpse to rot

[kindred flare]

exactly

[paper oriole]

People will literally go out of their way to kill magy just because its magyi

Im herbi biased and ill probably kfs magies as an herbi even

[kindred flare]

same, i enjoy herbis more but i think magy is just a waste of space

[paper oriole]

They shoulda just done baja if they wanted a small sauro

He could fuck pouncing utahs up with his death mohawk

[meager tiger]

should we all agree to target magys just because there a magy lol

Anti Magy gang

[mystic parcel]

It’s honestly like the Anky, they get obliterated. Too slow and too weak. Idk why they chose the smallest sauropod and yet want the game to be realistic at the same time

[meager tiger]

hey

anky is a good dino

[mystic parcel]

It is

[meager tiger]

tanky mother fucker

[mystic parcel]

The game made it bad

[meager tiger]

bone crush leg whack

[frigid storm]

@wanton hull ... just don't play official;

[meager tiger]

your leg is broke in one swipe

[kindred flare]

bajada wouldve been made viable a lot easier, those quills on its nect could be poisonous, making neck attacks difficult, and its big enough to actually make sense defending itself against an allo. sure its gonna get rolled by an apex but thats fine cause not everything will have a good matchup

[paper oriole]

Tapwing's shuno and baja would make magy shit its pants and die on sight out of jealousy

[mystic parcel]

Yep. Yet again, the game made them weak

[meager tiger]

why

[kindred flare]

cause the devs dont like anky

[meager tiger]

i bet very few predators would want to fight a anky

[kindred flare]

personal biaseses

[wanton hull]

I was playing on teutonic

[meager tiger]

very risky

[mystic parcel]

“Not realistic”

[wanton hull]

wasnt recording so i cant report it

[frigid storm]

then why are you in general feedback talking about it

for the official isle discord

[wanton hull]

Its a problem through out all servers

[mystic parcel]

Unstable they are just talking about the game having a lot of hackers. They placed it in feedback to let the deva know

[meager tiger]

why do the devs hate certain cool dinos but praise weak dinos that only live on a island

[paper oriole]

They secretly prop up the bad dinos to spite the good ones

They dont like the bad ones either it is all an illusion

[frigid storm]

is hacking really a problem in the isle? that's shitty

i feel like it's so obvious like

[wanton hull]

devs probably dont read feedback

[meager tiger]

i think the lag is the real problem

[mystic parcel]

Yes I’ve just delt with a hacker few hours ago and few days ago as well

[meager tiger]

i got killed so many times by twitching movements lag

[frigid storm]

what were they doing

[wanton hull]

I know i wouldnt with dumb shit being posted on there

[odd sedge]

I don't really know how to make magy more viable except give it some good wading speed to escape through swamps, which would also put it at risk by Deinos, unless it holds it's head so high they can't reach the weak spot

[mystic parcel]

They know your locations

It seems to be a hack going around

[paper oriole]

Magy is small enough for deino drown anyway

[meager tiger]

was hunting a stego as a raptor. the stego was like 30 feet away but lag spike happened i died in 1 second had no time to react

[frigid storm]

i feel like that's so hard to know for sure though

[meager tiger]

i had to move my grpahics all to super low

[kindred flare]

magy is small enough for a 50% deino to drown

[meager tiger]

and it still lags

[mystic parcel]

It isn’t. It’s obvious when someone is hacking

[paper oriole]

Lmao yeah F

[frigid storm]

what were you doing when it happened

[odd sedge]

Magy gets bodied by land animals, will get juked by deinos, heck I wouldn't be surprised if it would get absolutely destroyed by some pteras pecking at its eyes

[mystic parcel]

I looked all around me. No one was around was crouching in a bush for a while. Still nothing happen. I finally sit down and start logging. From farrrr away I can hear a carno run straight at my spot. I was hiding in a very big bushy area yet he knew where I was exactly sitting at

[wanton hull]

Ive played a lot of source games so I know a few tricks to identify hackers even the well hidden ones

[paper oriole]

It literally died to an azhdarchid the same size as quetz on its safe space island

Before a land bridge opened and all the normal dinos came and wiped it from existence

[wanton hull]

Unrelated note I think I found out whats causing the server issues

[mystic parcel]

Few day ago, literally witnessed the mega carno pack running while carrying a Tenonto body like is was a plastic bag lmao

[meager tiger]

i feel like finding food as a lone raptor is abit hard. I kinda miss the ai in legacy. But i get it was a bit too ez

is there a middle soloution

[frigid storm]

already is AI in the game

[paper oriole]

It is usually relatively easy to find corpses and victims in known traffic heavy areas

[meager tiger]

well the game isnt noob friendly then. There are huge deadzones with no players

[urban flax]

@barren zephyr You should try playing something else than Deino, because everything else already has working hitboxes

[meager tiger]

Its easy for someone new to get lost

and die in a dead zone

[barren zephyr]

gator go brrrrr

[meager tiger]

gator is hard

[barren zephyr]

also i just dont enjoy the game play as carnos or vegies

[meager tiger]

unless you use the fishing spot

fish tank

[barren zephyr]

its like the easiest

[meager tiger]

well yeah if you sit inside the fish tank for 8 hours

but that gets boring quick

but if you go outside the fish tank your kinda screwed if some cannibal gets you

[barren zephyr]

True

[meager tiger]

how do real crocs survive

if theres so many water holes why dont the herbs just go to another waterhole with no crocs

or is it that animals cant remeber a croc infested waterhole

[severe idol]

Real animals aren't as smart as players - there's also way, way, way more of them per croc than the ratio in servers.

[meager tiger]

when I play croc i just done feel like a real croc. The ambush preadtor in the videos/documentaries. I feel more like a giant big toad whose slow but tanky

dont

[severe idol]

Add a few thousand environmental factors and variables that would be cumbersome for a videogame (light, temp, necessity, individual unique camo, past experiences, exact croc size, exact water disturbances, ect) and you have a significant difference in real-life and a videogame.

If you want the deino to play like a croc, wait for AI to have necessities and pounce one of them. You'll never have the feeling proper against a player.

[hasty goblet]

Doesnt the Dryosaurus have the ability to dig how ?

[safe galleon]

@hasty goblet if you're on legacy then play dryo and hold right clock
you cannot dig in evrima

[hasty goblet]

Ty

[mental marlin]

probably in the top 3 main problems with evrima now is just how shitty the playerbase are , none of them want to play a hardcore survival game , they just want their dino birthbath simulator

[meager tiger]

maybe they can add vines ahnging in the trees as a osbtabcle to avoid when running. Or it could be used to your advtange maybe small dinos can go under but big carnos just get stuck and have to snap the vines or go around

[urban flax]

How would vines be an obstacle ?

[meager tiger]

its like hanging from tree to tree kinda like a net

[urban flax]

Brambles barely slow a human down
How would simple vines stop a dino ?

[meager tiger]

arent we in the jungle? Arent there like thick strong ass green vines everywhere

[urban flax]

Not thick enough to stop a dino over 100kg imo

[meager tiger]

im not saying stop a trex

but slow down smaller animals

[urban flax]

Dryo is over 100kg

So vines would only slow down small dinos like hypsi and herra ?

[meager tiger]

idk. it was just a idea. I could have sworn ive seen a jurrasic park movie where they just snap through the vines but nothing small could charge through full speed

if not vines is there any non tree plants that could pose a slow down

maybe pickers?

[urban flax]

Think about what that kind of hanging vines could provide to gameplay. In my opinion, they'd probably give pretty much nothing. There's already a lot of things that can slow you down in the jungle, and vines aren't the one that makes the most sense

[meager tiger]

how about deep mud

or quicksand

[urban flax]

Tar pits are planned

[meager tiger]

bro tar is like a insta death 90% of the time lol

[urban flax]

Not if it isn't deep
Tar pits are pictured as death traps, but it's possible to escape them

Devs won't put something that can instantly kill you just from walking on it in this game anyway

[ashen elm]

Tar Pits are technically already in Update 3 actually

[urban flax]

That's true
There is one at least

[urban flax]

<@&401466542140817419> Another CSGO fisher here.

[meager tiger]

scammer

scam?

[urban flax]

Thanks

[meager tiger]

was that a scammer

[urban flax]

yes

[meager tiger]

low life

how low can you be

[limber hull]

big fan of beipi getting in. Little bastard seems fun

herrera also seems cool

[vast wolf]

cerato and beipi should be next two.

that arent tied to mechanics.

[limber hull]

cerato is kinda diets?

but not the point

[vast wolf]

cerato is somewhat of a check to carno on land.

[limber hull]

eh, carno would likely win against cerato

carno is bigger and stronger. Cerato focuses more on fighting over a corpse rather than getting the kill themselves if I'm to be honest

[urban flax]

Carno isn't much bigger and isn't built to fight things its size, whereas Cerato is

[limber hull]

perhaps

carno is still bigger, mind you, by several hundred kilos

[urban flax]

Carno is much bigger than tenonto
Yet tenonto can easily kill one carno

We also don't know which weight estimates devs are gonna use for evrima's cerato

[limber hull]

i think it makes a lot of sense for a cerato to focus more on scaring things away from kills, probably a slower, more brutally defensive carnivore which will more than often defend than attack, but be pretty brutal to things that challenge it

[urban flax]

Hence beating carno in 1v1

Since it's slower, it's always carno that has the choice of fighting or not

[limber hull]

yea, fair

carno and cerato feel like they'd play almost entirely differently tbh

[vast wolf]

carno vs cerato should depend on the carnos ambush more than anything. cerato should win hit for hit every time.

carno fucks up the ambush it looses hard.

[limber hull]

carno is hyper-aggressive chaser that has to be the first to strike and eats its prey quick, whereas cerato is something that takes a large kill and guards it till its rotten and keeps eating it till its gone. I'd be interested to see the two interact as basically equal tiers

[vast wolf]

cerato just rolls up on a kill and steals it then wolfs it down.

[limber hull]

honestly, that seems like how it'd play

all the concept art implies that

ceratos even fight other ceratos over food, since no cannibalism penalty and they are again, hyper-defensive of their meals

[somber pond]

hey sorry if this is a stupid question but will they eventuially bring back a way to colour your dinosaur

[limber hull]

yes

[somber pond]

ok nice

thank you

[hoary dawn]

so malice is a troll right?

[brazen sequoia]

Yes.

[hoary dawn]

good to know

[urban flax]

I think they're just very special

[thorny lynx]

https://www.reddit.com/r/theisle/comments/o3w096/can_anyone_tell_me_the_name_of_this_track/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

The mystery is still unsolved. Can anyone help identify this soundtrack?

Yes, this is relevant to my latest feedback.

[pliant token]

So Amazing, glitched in flight, fell, flying is bugged so i can't take off anymore, log-off to repair the glitch. Server isnt appearing anymore

Why is NA2 all of a sudden gone

is NA2 server shutted down or this game is just broken ?

[hybrid matrix]

to fix that glitch u have to swim or enter the falling animation

[pliant token]

I couldnt i was trapped around utahs

I hid in a brush in time

And anyway, the server isn't even existent in my screen anymore

like, everytime I get that glitch is in the worst times ever

And mostly because the official servers pings are very bad

wow lmao the server finally appeared after i died, great.

How to ruin playing experience :

[hoary dawn]

breathe

[vast wolf]

its a ptera, you can grow another in 30 minutes.

[pliant token]

Why would I care if it's ptera or not, those glitch happens to me whatever dino I play and it does ruin the experience

Hence Why I play ptera, because it's hella more annoying to lose your dino to a glitch when you took 5h to grow it

[hasty dagger]

So like, cannibalism isn’t against the rules, there are no rules besides no hacking.

[pliant token]

if there is rules, they never pinned them anywhere in the dscord, which means there prob isnt

[hasty dagger]

There isn’t.

[hybrid matrix]

the only rule is no hacking

[pliant token]

I wish there wasn't cannibalism aswell but oh well

The glitching experience is worse than cannibalism to me

Half of the time the game is unplayable

[hoary dawn]

you are justified in being upset about dying unfairly, but it is the easiest thing in the game to grow so you dont need to get all worked up about it

[pliant token]

Exept you don't get it, it happens to me with every single type of dino... and it's hella annoying. So I can be worked up about this game killing me more often than players do if I will..

[hoary dawn]

in that case yes

[paper oriole]

Unfortunately if they added the feature to kick your dino if you crashed people would just abuse it by alt f4ing their game to escape deaths

[hybrid matrix]

couldnt it tell the difference between a crash and an alt f4?

[paper oriole]

It might, is there a difference between a crash and turning off your pc too though

If it could tell and theres no way to imitate it then maybe but idk, people could trick it into thinking there was a crash

[hybrid matrix]

i feel like theres a grammar error here

[pliant token]

If youre talking about my case, I didnt crash

[hybrid matrix]

where it says "is there" dym "there is?"

[paper oriole]

Ssshhh

[paper oriole]

Also was referring to X's feedback where he crashed and got merked by mixpacking jp raptors while his game was down

[pliant token]

ah

[paper oriole]

what in tarnation is that suggestion format

i gotta scroll sideways? what

[edgy harbor]

It's a .txt file uploaded to the channel, you can download it and read it normally.

[swift dew]

wdym, "how to make deinocheirus unique from theri"? their only similarity is big claws, and that they are both able to eat plants.

[pliant token]

that's how far he bit me lmfao

Server glitches are amazing

[hoary dawn]

imo cheirus is more comparable to sucho in terms of gameplay, with theri its really just visual similarities

[pliant token]

I think imma start filing a million bug reports

For all the bugs that happened to me

[paper oriole]

yikers lol

[honest sparrow]

Lmao

[paper oriole]

what goes through peoples' heads when they do that shit lol

hey im gonna go to islecord and advertise my FPS game shit lmao

grand idea

[hoary dawn]

what

i missed someth

[paper oriole]

somebody posted steam workshop CS'GO links in every channel in this category

[hoary dawn]

the only logical place to advertise csgo workshop

[paper oriole]

lmao totally

[frigid storm]

what a completely unhelpful, toxic response

[frigid storm]

but when the server itself crashes, it should force log.

[vast wolf]

nothing we can do except wait for the devs to fix it.

[paper oriole]

For that specific scenario yeah i dont think it could be exploited

[frigid storm]

agreed that otherwise it'd be exploited

[paper oriole]

Oh boy a salt fueled stego nerf feedback with 0 reasoning or logic to back it up

[frigid storm]

nothing more frustrating than a combat log

[frigid storm]

lmaooo just seen that... it's pretty balanced esp for current roster

[paper oriole]

Stego gets shitstomped right now and this guy wants it nerfed

[swift dew]

im not going to lie, stego is honestly a bit underpowered, even for the current roster

[paper oriole]

He probably tried to facetank lmao

[frigid storm]

gonna say maybe too balancd

[paper oriole]

Its attack is so easy to juke you either have to be bad or get hit by lag that affects everybody's attacks

[swift dew]

oh no, he edited it

[vast wolf]

stego gets destroyed by utah and deino

[frigid storm]

exactly

and no mr that's not entirely true

[paper oriole]

Stegos only decent matchup is against carno who isnt even supposed to hunt big game

[vast wolf]

^

deino can lunge it and then just alt bite spam to victory

[honest sparrow]

Stego 100-0’s stego

[frigid storm]

sped aint useful for a lumbering trailer truck

[swift dew]

<@&401466542140817419> idk if thats worth taking down, alot of people will take offense to that message (in #general-feedback )

[paper oriole]

A utah can solo a stego with biting only or force it to shove its face in a rock to save itself

[vast wolf]

^

stegos only defense against utah packs is to put its face to a rock, tree or stand in deeper water.

[paper oriole]

Shit attack that is easy to dodge, lower hp than its weight while utah has DOUBLE hp for his weight (a bit weird) plus the head multiplier

[frigid storm]

utah packs i understand tho

[paper oriole]

A single utah

[honest sparrow]

The fact they solo stegos tho

[frigid storm]

true why are utahs beefy rn?

[paper oriole]

And utah packs dont even have to be skilled to kill a stego

A pack of 20 utahs will roll over a stego even if it kills a dozen

And it is easy to replenish the megapack

[frigid storm]

that's 20 utahs...

[paper oriole]

There are utah megapacks everywhere

[vast wolf]

3 smart utahs can easy take down a stego.

[frigid storm]

in all fairness that's like 4x the amount of growth times of one stego

[paper oriole]

If you add it up, not if you consider the juvies being carried at once by their large pack

[frigid storm]

eh, semantics

[paper oriole]

Utah can solo stego without even using its special attack

A stego is forced to shove its face into a rock to survive one 500kg animal

[vast wolf]

all a utah has to do is just run around infront of the stego and bait attacks.

[frigid storm]

tbh pounce probably more of a detriment if you're not careful

[paper oriole]

Because its attack is so dodgable

[frigid storm]

yes but that's kind of the stego's fault

[paper oriole]

I said they dont use pounce

Because all they need is bite

[frigid storm]

when you have so much of a health difference to your enemy you can afford to be extra cautious

[frigid storm]

i know, i was agreeing w/ u

[paper oriole]

It's the stego's fault that the devs equipped it with one usable attack that is easy to dodge and a double damage head multiplier?

[frigid storm]

you clearly took what i said in a different direction, i said it's the stego's fault for wasting stamina, nothing else

[paper oriole]

So it just shouldn’t attack becsuse it will be evaded anyway?

A spamming stego sure, its his fault

[frigid storm]

no, im saying it should wait for surefire moments

it can afford to take hits that could have been a 50/50

[paper oriole]

But when its attack is easy to dodge when using it on an enemy who is right there it is not the stego's fault

[frigid storm]

it has to wait for the Utah to make a mistake, as they inevitably will

it really only takes one tail swipe after all

[paper oriole]

The stego has to hope the utah has a baked potato IQ or the lag extends its attack

[vast wolf]

in order for stego to land a hit on the utah the utah has to be dumb or pounce it.

[paper oriole]

So the stego who can not leave the conflict should rely on its faster attacker making a mistake? Really?

The utah is the one who controls the conflict, it is the one who should hope its target makes a mistake, especially with the size difference

[frigid storm]

not necessarily true

[frigid storm]

yes, because it has a like 30-1 health difference

[paper oriole]

No lmao

[vast wolf]

stego has 5x more hp than utah

at most

[frigid storm]

it probably takes dozens of bites to kill a stego whereas it takes one tail swipe to kill a utah

[paper oriole]

It is supposed to be in the stego’s favour because it is slower, has a massively longer growth time and is much heavier. It shouldnt have to hope that mister ez gro jp raptor messes up

[vast wolf]

utah does 500 damage per head shot to stego which is 10 bites to win.

[frigid storm]

i'm pretty sure you're way exaggerating...

[paper oriole]

Not at all

[frigid storm]

that's if you can guarantee a headshot lmao

[paper oriole]

Stego has a shite attack that utah is well equipped to dodge with ease

[vast wolf]

thay arent very hard and are pretty safe

[honest sparrow]

Headshots are pretty easy to land

Especially considering you are a fast carni on the other side of the business end

[paper oriole]

The only thing utah has to worry about is lag

[vast wolf]

lag and its own stupidity

[sonic mural]

And bucking

[paper oriole]

No

[vast wolf]

bucking dosent matter if you dont pounce.

[paper oriole]

Bucking? Utah aint using pounce

[vast wolf]

pouncing a stego when your alone or its near terrain is also a terrible idea.

[sonic mural]

Ik I’m just saying if it did pounce that’s what it should worry about

[honest sparrow]

Just headshot it and there’s nothing it can do

[paper oriole]

Apparently dryo can solo stego too

[vast wolf]

i belive dryo can honestly

[paper oriole]

Ive heard about it happening

[honest sparrow]

Dryo can solo everything so it’s not too much of a stretch

[paper oriole]

Dryo is the true apex

[honest sparrow]

Indeed

[vast wolf]

[pliant token]

ok that was weird

[honest sparrow]

It’s a weaker than Utah but it’s faster, more maneuverable, and stam is a non issue

[vast wolf]

if you dont spam dodge dryo can basically run forever.

[pliant token]

a juvi utah pounced me when i was flying, it locked me down IN FLIGHT and killed me while i was flying and the utah was on ground

[honest sparrow]

It outstams teno for some reason

Teno

[vast wolf]

juvie utahs pounce is funky.

[pliant token]

dude i was flying and eating dmg while the utah was on me x'D

wasnt*

[honest sparrow]

Them staying on the Ptera while flying is intentional

[pliant token]

no he was on ground

[vast wolf]

i got pounced by a flea yesterday as a stego. at first i had no idea what was going on then i realised it was on my side. tapped e for a second and then impaled it.

[pliant token]

yeah but the thing wasnt on me

it was still on ground

[vast wolf]

server desync

[paper oriole]

Wizard raptor

[pliant token]

and i couldnt do anything

but fly and die

[sonic mural]

Magic

[pliant token]

lmfao

everything is so broken

[paper oriole]

I remember when they said juvie utah didnt have pounce because it was broken, then they add it back and it is still broken

[pliant token]

lmfao

[feral solstice]

Hey atleast you can’t turn into a fucking giant now

That was..

Odd

[vast wolf]

size 10

map sized raptor

[paper oriole]

Colossal utahtan

[pliant token]

i wish the glitch was being a giant instead of being locked-flying to death lmao

[feral solstice]

Map sized raptor pounces and all you see is the head of a colossal Utah emerge from the canopy

[pliant token]

lmao

[vast wolf]

mega-raptor

[pliant token]

feelsbad because im not recording when im playing so i can't report with proof

[vast wolf]

not to be confused with megaraptor the megaraptorian.

[frigid storm]

i think the parasite idea i expanded upon counters mega packs(unintentionally) in a healthy way

[quiet estuary]

While parasites I can see being implemented them being given to players through rng is bad

it shouldnt be something of chance and more like clear obvious things thtat caused it, like current sickness

For example in the wallowing into parasites it can be if you wallow x amount of times while below 50% bleed you get a parasite

[frigid storm]

it's not necessarily rng, it's still a choice

you can avoid parasites

like there'll hopefully be other water sources than rivers

[quiet estuary]

The choice that can lead to parasites has the parasites being given to players randomly
With those choices being something that can mean life/death

yes

[frigid storm]

well no, most parasites would be non life threatening

[quiet estuary]

more water sources would be great

[frigid storm]

in fact none of them are necessarily life threatening if you read my post

and can provide the player with a temporary goal

[quiet estuary]

THe wallowing one can possibly be

[frigid storm]

since a plant would alleviate the sickness

none of the parasite effects i mentioned kill the player directly

[quiet estuary]

That isnt what i meant

[frigid storm]

in fact in life most parasites dont kill their host

and wallowing in mud wouldn't have the chance of giving you a major parasite like lowering your damage or speed

[quiet estuary]

It shouldnt be a chance whatsoever though

[frigid storm]

i think it should, it's a survival game

[vast wolf]

anything that directly affects your survival and is rng dependant is bad.

[quiet estuary]

^

[frigid storm]

it's not necessarily rng dependant though, you're still making a choice for the most part

[quiet estuary]

yes but those choices can possibly be unavoidable
like bleeding badly

[frigid storm]

when two players engage in combat, they acknowledge that the wounds they receive may lead to consequences

[quiet estuary]

And needing to wallow

[frigid storm]

parasites won't kill you

not directly

[quiet estuary]

Those consequences shouldnt be given randomly though

[vast wolf]

dosent matter.

dont add something thats unpreventable.

[frigid storm]

this is life though, many things are rng dependant.

[quiet estuary]

This is a video game

[frigid storm]

its not unpreventable

[vast wolf]

not fun, not balanced, not good gameplay, get rid of it.

[quiet estuary]

Its unpreventable if you are in the situation where you are bleeding badly and need to heal

[frigid storm]

it is good gameplay, actually. it gives the player a temporary goal and increases the pressure. it's a survival, horror game.

[quiet estuary]

Yes, but you can still do that without having things be rng based

[frigid storm]

perhaps mud sources that aren't on rivers won't give you parasites

[vast wolf]

not fun though and directly makes you an easier target for existing.

[quiet estuary]

Actually it would make more sense if mud on non rivers gave parasites as it is still water

[frigid storm]

this is a survival game, and it's not a permanent affliction

that's like arguing against fractures

[quiet estuary]

Fractures are avoidable

and arent rng

At least they wont be in evrima

[frigid storm]

to an extent, combat is unavoidable right?

[quiet estuary]

Depends on your species

but its something you can overcome if you are good

[frigid storm]

you could literally argue that bleeding badly is "avoidable"

[vast wolf]

very few animals will cause fractures and only a handful will be fast at all.

[frigid storm]

well the ones that cause fractures won't be the ones most affected by them so

[quiet estuary]

While I do think parasites are good and can aid in these issues
I think there are better alternatives
Like parasites which affect few species being present around certian plantlife

If you eat that plantlife you get a parasite as an equivalent or an addon to the negatives in dietary needs

[frigid storm]

either way i think that the game needs more survival mechanics elements right now besides grow and fight

[quiet estuary]

Yes

[frigid storm]

and no, i don't really consider eating and drinking to be super interesting survival mechanics

they're the basic necessities

[quiet estuary]

I dont think anyone would say that

[vast wolf]

ticks or fleas that spread when your overpacking is fine. getting penalized for wallowing is not.

[frigid storm]

penalized for wallowing with open wounds

[quiet estuary]

Ticks that spread if you repeatedly colliide with your pagmates would be good

[frigid storm]

just being able to stop your bleeding is honestly pretty powerful if we're all being honest

[quiet estuary]

Its not much of an issue imho as you still need to sit down to stop half of it

[frigid storm]

that's not good gameplay imo

[vast wolf]

half the point of wallowing is to stop bleeding.

[quiet estuary]

How, it still provides the survival aspect you said we needed while avoiding random chance

[vast wolf]

what the actual fuck.

you wallow to cover your scent or to stop bleeding.

[frigid storm]

it is, but it's also powerful in the middle of a fight, too.

[vast wolf]

wallowing animations are pretty long.

[frigid storm]

and sometimes fights get pretty drawn out

[quiet estuary]

wallowing in the middle of a fight is pretty suicidal

[frigid storm]

not really, sometimes it'll give you the edge

[vast wolf]

and if you get bit and are still bleeding even if you wallowed you start bleeding again.

[quiet estuary]

If your opponent is idiotic enough to not take advantage yes

itll give you an edge

[frigid storm]

i mean if you can see them coming and have the distance, it's manageable

[vast wolf]

only animal that can get away with wallowing mid fight is stego because its flinch animation takes it out of the wallowing one.

[frigid storm]

requires another bite though, which requries risk on the enemy's part

[swift dew]

wallowing.
advantages:

1. slows and hides bleed
2. hides tracks

disadvantages:

1. you continute to bleed normally as soon as someone hits you, whether that attack does bleed ot not
2. lasts only 1 minute
3. goes away in the water
4. wallowing animation takes a while, and also takes a while to get back up, putting you un a vulnerable postion

[frigid storm]

you guys are acting like parasites are going to end your life, for the most part they're very minor

[vast wolf]

not any different than still hunting the animal.

[swift dew]

seems pretty balanced to me

[vast wolf]

then why add them?

[frigid storm]

to make it more of a survival game

that's the point, after all

[quiet estuary]

we understand that unstable
But you shouldnt be punished for doing base game mechanics due to random chance

[vast wolf]

its not fun, dosent add anything positive to the game, creates balance issues and would just be annoying to manage.

[frigid storm]

imo parasites wouldn't be frequent enough from wallowing to warrant you fearing wallowing

[feral solstice]

So rng

RNG based punishments for trying to survive

[vast wolf]

only situation wheer their acceptable is as a deterrent to mixpacking.

[frigid storm]

that's your opinion, it creates a temporary goal for the player, adds stress on a herd or pack, and adds more variation to general gameplay

[quiet estuary]

Again, you can accomplish those things while still making it not rng

[vast wolf]

and also makes you a massively easier target.

[frigid storm]

like i said it's possible that mud which is not near rivers could not give you any parasites

[feral solstice]

So you’re still punishing players for using mud?

Not to mention it’s RNG based which adds nothing

[frigid storm]

not necessarily, there's only really one or two parasite effects that make your combat less viable

[vast wolf]

rng is terible.

[frigid storm]

mud wouldn't be the centerpiece of it

[frigid storm]

rng is life

[vast wolf]

thats why so many people hated the bonebreak system in legacy.

[swift dew]

you should acoplish this "temporary goal" by adding an incentive to get some sort of reward, not a disadvantage untill you solve it

[feral solstice]

RNG in this game is fucking terrible

[vast wolf]

rng is not great in survival games except with loot spawning.

[frigid storm]

bonebreak is life threatening. parasites aren't for the most part

[frigid storm]

that's literally survival mechanics 101

[haughty cove]

rng is a shitty part of games and takes away skill based aspects, the only people who want rng are people who aren't actually skilled, and have a better chance at winning if they get lucky

[vast wolf]

if they arent life threatening they serve no purpose.

[frigid storm]

how is having knowledge of what plants to track down and what actions will give you parasites not related to skill

[haughty cove]

i didn't say that, i said rng isn't related to skill

[frigid storm]

that's a poor argument, not everything in the game is directly life threatening

[vast wolf]

because getting parasites is rng related and rng is not skill. you get handicapped for getting unlucky.

[haughty cove]

^

[quiet estuary]

If the plants gave the plants 100% of the time then I think people would agree with you there

[haughty cove]

even if you can reduce the risk, if it's still there, you're fucked

[frigid storm]

it's not entirely rng dependant. there isn't a random clock always running where you'll eventually get parasites.

it's dependant on what actions you take

[frigid storm]

it's not though, that's oversimplifying

[vast wolf]

thats like putting in a 1 in 10 chance to get gastrointestinal poison from eating plants.

[frigid storm]

no, it's not. it's like there not being any edible plants around and having a plant that could make you sick. instead of taking the chance of looking for more, you eat the one that could make you sick.,

[vast wolf]

its not fun and just makes things unbalanced.

[frigid storm]

in what way is a chance to receive parasites for cannabilizing unbalanced

[haughty cove]

if you get lucky, and don't get parasites, you have an advantage over someone who did

[frigid storm]

sort of, you have to make certain decisions to receive parasites

[vast wolf]

theres already plans for cannibals to be penalised. they will be less healthy if not vomit and will probably have a giveaway if you look at them closely.

[frigid storm]

and this penalizes reckless herding and packing, where parasites can continuously keep spreading

[vast wolf]

so play with friends or dont play with other people at all.

[frigid storm]

that's a stretch, what's your problem? why is everything an ultimatum

[vast wolf]

because thats what it appears the mechanics create.

[frigid storm]

basically, the smaller the herd, the more manageable the parasites, the larger, the more unmanagable

[frigid storm]

that's not at all true

[haughty cove]

that also can bring up the possibility that you infect a speedy creature, and have it run around near a herd without letting the herd catch them, spreading parasites and griefing people

[frigid storm]

you'd have to be in continuous contact with another player, but i agree that would be something to balance

[vast wolf]

dont try to add a defunct system to fix a defunct system thats getting some fixes.

[frigid storm]

you'd also be risking your life assumingly

[frigid storm]

except that's not the entire point, as clearly stated and clearly ignored by you

it's a side-effect

[vast wolf]

if an infected dryo decides to give some stegos parasites like that theres nothing the stego can do.

[frigid storm]

that's very far fetched. standing within close proximity for ten seconds will warrant a high chance of death

[haughty cove]

continuous contact? so then if a herd spreads out, no matter how big it is, they can avoid getting parasites, only needing to get near each other to fight?

[frigid storm]

actually i think that'd create interesting mechanics. it'd mean that animal would be more susceptible to ambush. the herd would be protecting themselves but leaving their herdmate to die

[vast wolf]

so they get punished for having an rng related event?

[haughty cove]

a high chance of death from the stego, or parasites?

[frigid storm]

parasites aren't permanent, and can be alleviated by certain plants

[frigid storm]

from the stego

[haughty cove]

easy to avoid

[frigid storm]

if you're running in and out of their range, it is

but then you're unlikely to transmit a parasite

[haughty cove]

yeah and their range is short, so no one should be likely to transmit a parasite unless they're body blocking one another

[frigid storm]

a stego's range is realistically better than body blocking

[vast wolf]

its just a machanic that has way more cons than pros and would just be infuriating for the majority of people.

[haughty cove]

it still wouldn't force people to be far enough out of range that they're susceptible to ambush

[frigid storm]

again, unless they directly inhibit your gameplay I wouldn't see how they'd be very infuriating

[frigid storm]

fair point

[haughty cove]

so i don't have to scroll up, what would the parasites do

[vast wolf]

if they touch your stats at all they directly affect your gameplay and fighting capabilities.

[frigid storm]

There are different parasites, from as simple as draining your water or food faster, reducing your stamina or health regeneration, giving you a chance to throw up when eating/drinking, pain inflicting parasites that cause your creature to periodically groan in pain, to the worst parasite in the game that would give you reduce speed, or reduced strength. The severity of the parasite that is received should be dependent on rarity and severity of the action- for example, eating your own kind would have a higher chance at giving you a deadly parasite than drinking out of a dirty river.

directly from the feedback post

[haughty cove]

so they would directly inhibit your gameplay

[frigid storm]

not necessarily, it doesn't stop you from doing most anything you would normally do with the exception of the worst parasite mentioned

in some cases where it makes you vulnerable are cases where you're already vulnerable in the first place, such as eating or drinking

[vast wolf]

having less stamina/health regen and taking damage /being slower/doing less damage is gross.

[frigid storm]

i didn't say less stamina, just less regen

and the last things you mentioned are extreme cases

[vast wolf]

and thay are unpreventable as they are rng and shouldent exist.

[frigid storm]

and most of those things can be played around to reduce their affect on your gameplay

they are not unpreventable, that's cap

[vast wolf]

if its rng you cant decide when you get it.

[frigid storm]

it's rng based on your decision

[haughty cove]

RNG throw up isn't preventable unless you DON'T EAT OR DRINK

which are things you have to do

[vast wolf]

it just happens and you have to go get rid of it.

[frigid storm]

or wait it out

as they naturally get fought off over time

[haughty cove]

oh yeah cool, more waiting in the afk simulator

[vast wolf]

yeah, no i dont want to wait hours to not be useless crap.

[haughty cove]

we already have to wait for health lock to go away

even if growing goes by faster

[frigid storm]

if you don't want to wait, go search for a plant?

why are you complaining about something that has a direct solution

[frigid storm]

hours... lmao

no parasite would take hours to fight off. that's ridiculous

[vast wolf]

then why even add them at all except to just irritate people.

[haughty cove]

and what if you can't find a plant? what if you're fucked because there's no plants in range of water, so you get to the plant and then die of dehydration?

what if something is camping the plant and not letting you eat it, but you can't fight it because your parasite restricts your stats

[frigid storm]

that's pretty extreme lol, and i imagine they'd spawn more in specific areas, like ai currently

[frigid storm]

there's multiple plants, and only one parasite restricts your stats in a largely uncounterable way

[haughty cove]

which opens up the likelihood of camping more because people know where they are

[frigid storm]

sure if you want to camp a plant in the hopes that a creature has a serious affliction instead of something minor that wouldn't really stop them from killing you, you can do that

imo it wouldn't be worth your time or effort, as they'd spawn all over the map

[haughty cove]

people WILL do that just because they like to piss others off

[frigid storm]

i agree it probably could happen? but more likely unintentionally than intentionally

also it's not specific to weak creatures needing it only

imagine you're expecting a little infected dryo to come up, and then you encounter a rex

[haughty cove]

why would a rex need a plant?

[frigid storm]

they have a parasite

[haughty cove]

ah, i read "weak" creatures as "infected"

[frigid storm]

my bad, i could see that confusion

i meant like in the food chain

i know it's probably odd for carnivores to seek out certain plants but it happens in the wild today

i do agree that you shouldn't be punished for doing things that are part of the basic game loop, and it should be worked around to make it more fair, and more of a "i know what i'm about to do could give me a parasite" situation

instead of a "well shit, now i have to get a parasite."

[vast wolf]

its fine if its caused only by mixpacking/overpacking.

[haughty cove]

there's too many variables and so much of it is rng, rather than being "what i'm about to do WILL give me a parasite" if you're going to eat something you shouldn't be, or if you're getting pestered by smaller things

[frigid storm]

no, that's not consistent and just makes for weird gameplay

[vast wolf]

consistency is always greater than rng in survival games.

[haughty cove]

parasites in general aren't consistent if they're rng based, though

[frigid storm]

i agree but i think it's probably best for them to be rng based

to an extent

[cyan flame]

If you're considering RNG, forget it. Whatever idea you had, is utter trash if it's RNG based. If me and someone else do the same action, at the same time, in the same way, we should both get the same result.

[frigid storm]

right, because your decisions heavily influence that

[haughty cove]

^

[frigid storm]

that's not always how things work ,though, unfortunately there is always going to be a bit of chance involved

[cyan flame]

We can design the game to not contain RNG..

So that's not a valid argument at all

At the very least, we can avoid introducing this kind of RNG

[frigid storm]

you can do that as much as possible but there are always factors beyond your control that you're taking a 'chance' on

parasites could definitely have rng taken out of the equation and still function effectively the same, i just think it adds to the "horror" aspect of the game

[haughty cove]

even if in real life, things are chance based, it's not a fun aspect in a game

[frigid storm]

the chance that you could or could not gain an affliction

[frigid storm]

i didn't say real life tho

[haughty cove]

then there doesn't need to be chance involved

[cyan flame]

It has very little to do with horror for me at least, but even so. RNG is just bad, it's like the lightning strikes, you die cause game said so. Sure you can hide in a cave.. but still

[frigid storm]

except that rng in this case wouldn't have that dramatic effect

it's more like, lightning is striking, i'm going to a field full of metal poles or a grassy plain

[cyan flame]

The idea of parasites may not be bad, just don't make it RNG based. Simple as that. If you and me both do the same thing, in the same way, we should get the same result. There's no reason not do, because that way we can plan based on what we know will happen, rather than a "might" that could suddenly split how we both have to behave just because.

[haughty cove]

the chance comes in what decisions you, as the player, make
if i go to this area, will there be food? will i find something to eat? usually there's people here, hiding, but they're small. i could go to this other place instead, where there's less people there, but they're generally bigger

bad example, but rng doesn't have to be built into the game in order to make people choose what they want to do

[frigid storm]

wait that's a good point. food in this game is rng.

[haughty cove]

and it's not even rng, there's no computing involved

[cyan flame]

It's not, at the very least, not in the same way you're doing it

[frigid storm]

food only spawns at certain times in certain places and at certain parts of the map, and it's entirely RNG based whether or not you'll run into it

the chance of RNG is so high though that it's more consistent than inconsistent

[cyan flame]

Yes, but.. you're missing the point :p

[haughty cove]

you can think about where people like to go, what time it is, how many people are generally in certain areas, etc

[frigid storm]

even players moving in and out of areas is 'chance' based to a degree

[haughty cove]

it can be chance, but that doesn't mean random

[cyan flame]

@frigid stormIf you and I, at the same time, go to the same place, we get the same result. That's what matters here, and why your RNG is bad, vs the food example.

[frigid storm]

what i'm saying is rng is part of the game as is, but i'm not saying it should be purely rng. that's not fun gameplay

[haughty cove]

there is no rng in game right now in the same way we're discussing

[cyan flame]

I don't know how to phrase it any clearer, you need to make a difference between a certain action giving us different results simply based on RNG, and "lucking out" that someone comes to the part of the river that I hide in as deino.

[frigid storm]

let's say fish normally spawns in a certain area. you know fish spawn there, but it's based upon a chance. that fish will spawn there eventually if you wait long enough, but it's not a guarantee of when. same thing with parasites. you know you'll get a parasite from drinking out of the dirtier parts of the river, but you don't know when, but eventually, if you drink here time and time again, you'll catch it. that's how i justify it

[haughty cove]

"there's a chance that a croc could be in this water" is not the same as "there's a chance that i'll get a debuff if i do this"

if 2 people go to the water, they WILL both get the same result, even if one is more.. affected than the other. if there's a croc, one of them will get attacked
if 2 people eat a carcass that could give them parasites, they won't necessarily get the same result

[frigid storm]

pretty sure eating a carcass with parasites would be a guarantee though, but partially agree with you

[haughty cove]

and if 2 people go to that area, there either will or won't be fish, and both are affected the same way

[haughty cove]

eating a carcass with parasites yes, but earlier when we were talking about cannibalism, you said it would be rng

[frigid storm]

technically you're both affected in the same way in my example, too, it's just harder to see

[frigid storm]

that's cannibalism

[cyan flame]

Sure, if you make it some sort of "build up" you could justify it I guess, with some "cooldown", but otherwise it's still just RNG, and you could get parasites at a different time, despite having drunk from the water for the same amount of time in total and all that.

[frigid storm]

i misinterpreted

[haughty cove]

you're not though, if one of you gets parasites and the other doesn't, you're not affected the same way

[frigid storm]

well buildup is naturally going to occur the longer you spend drinking, or doing the action

[cyan flame]

If you mean it as actual build up, like how bleed would be worse the more wounds you take or something, and there's a guaranteed point at which you get parasites, but not before.

[frigid storm]

no, but you were affected in the sense that both of you subjected yourselves to the chance of it

[cyan flame]

But if it's still just RNG, then technically someone could get away with it, if they're stupidly lucky :p

[frigid storm]

i'd agree with that

[haughty cove]

yes but the outcome is different

[cyan flame]

But subjecting yourself to the chance isn't the issue here, it's the outcome, as Night stated. You can't compare those two, there's a difference there.

[frigid storm]

sort of, i still argue that inherently making the decision to do an action that could give you parasites is important

[paper oriole]

Imagine being punished for healing bleed. Amazing mechanic

[frigid storm]

mud isn't the only way to heal off bleed, it only stops you from bleeding more

i imagine there'll probably be more ways to speed up healing via plants too

[paper oriole]

So you want people to be punished for healing bleed still

[cyan flame]

I do somewhat agree, and I see your point, but I don't think it makes for good gameplay, because you will feel screwed over by the game itself if you do something your friend is doing but RNG just decides that you don't get to get away with it. Even if you both knew the risk.

[frigid storm]

not always, i think maybe if you wallow on mud next to rivers it'll have parasites but otherwise, i'd think so

[haughty cove]

which punishes people for needing to drink

[cyan flame]

But you can have the decision to do something that gives you parasites be a tradeoff for something else

[paper oriole]

This just sounds irritating and would make gameplay annoying

[haughty cove]

need to drink, go to water, fight, need to heal bleed, wallow, parasite

[frigid storm]

that's the goal

[cyan flame]

Such as eating bad food = you get food to last a little longer, but you get sick and smell worse or something

[paper oriole]

Literally punished for drinking water or healing bleed

[cyan flame]

But in that case, both of you eating from that rotten carcass gets the same effect at the same time

[frigid storm]

just over simplifying for no reason

[cyan flame]

No RNG involved, you just made a decision to add more food at a cost. You could do something like that for parasites, as long as there's no RNG in if you get the parasite or not.

[paper oriole]

Punishing players for doing things they shouldnt is one thing but having rng say fuck you when you are doing what you are supposed to is lame as hell

[frigid storm]

it's like choosing to go to a hotspot to drink vs going to a safer spot

[paper oriole]

Parasites from rotten food is fine, parasites from things that you are supposed to do is not

[frigid storm]

again i think there should be more ways to counteract bleeding besides wallowing. diet system could alleviate that major point

[cyan flame]

@haughty coveYou could make parasites for wallowing a thing in certain areas. Such as one kind of mudpools are very common, but not very healthy. They'll do if you need to stop the bleed at all cost, but in return you're now a bit more vunerable otherwise. Vs wallowing in a good spot, with no issues, but you might not always make it there, or have so little blood left by that time that you might die if something just nibbles you.