general-feedback-discussion

[zinc rivet]

and with AI herbis always being present, if the AI is made well enough players could pick herbi and stay near AI herds for protection. I think that'd be pretty neat tbh

[ashen elm]

Just keep giving unique playstyles to herbivores and that will help most.
Right now, as stated only Teno has a real ability with CC.
Dryo has a useless ability
Hypsi ability doesn't work in most situations and is mostly perceived as a troll dinosaur.
Stego... is tanky but that in itself isn't a fun ability

[zinc rivet]

a mixed group of AI and Player Tenontosaurs

[urban flax]

Yes, I hope AI herbis can have some interaction with players

[urban flax]

I can agree with that
The problem is, in my eyes, they are trying things... that don't really work.

[ashen elm]

I think they gonna have to rework dodge from the ground up.
Hypsi spit can probably be saved, but they need to change the hitbox and way it aims.

Stego doesn't even really have a real ability and is missing a core attack; a swing.

[urban flax]

yes

[clever arch]

Ai will have interaction with people.

[urban flax]

Hopefully

[zinc rivet]

Hypsi Spit has allot of potential, if you do land it then it can actually work pretty good in many cases to save your ass. It's just hard to aim and harder to land. Also I don't like the visuals I'd like it if they looked more like slimy liquid lol.

Dryo Dodge really needs to be refined allot coz just turning while sprinting is honestly just as effective if not more due to the lack of awkward pause and shit control.

I don't mind Stego having no ability tbh, I don't believe every animal needs some sort of ability or gimmick. Just how the animal is designed can impact how it plays significantly, and Stego to me does that as well as you can for a Stegosaurus. All I can really ask for are maybe some refining in it's ability to turn and the swing attack as a more mobile alternative with a shorter aoe so jab isn't entirely forgotten.

I heard a nice suggestion for Dryo dodge once, making it's dodging being more like an anti-pounce or something. You can jump into a target, either a player or a solid object like a rock or a tree, and with the ability you kick off of it immediately turning you around and granting you full momentum, and if the target is a small enough animal it can even stagger them or knock em over. If you don't have anything to jump into and just do the ability normally it acts as just a more refined version of the current dodge

[ashen elm]

I kinda wish they gave Stego some ability related to its plates. I mean they are giant display structures and might have possibly been used in thermo-regulation. The latter in particular could be expressed in some way.

It doesn't have to be like a BoB-type magic ability, but some passive utility ability that highlights its use would be nice.

[zinc rivet]

thermoregulation is very unlikely for Stego's plates

the blood vessels running through them were to feed nutrients into the keratin sheath

[urban flax]

Well it doesn't really need one

The plates could bright up when it's calling, but be visual only

[zinc rivet]

and why would Stegosaurus need something evolved to help it cool off, yet all these titanic sauropods like Brachiosaurus, Apatosaurus, and Diplodocus could survive just fine

[ashen elm]

Yea but those sauropods were giant balls of air
pnuematic goes brr

[zinc rivet]

air can heat up

especially in bodies as gigantic as those

[ashen elm]

I think the tails and necks also played a part in regulation iirc

[zinc rivet]

the neck very likely did

[honest sparrow]

I like the idea of stegos plates being a stance fighter change

[ashen elm]

Oh speaking of plates, I guess they could maybe help a tiny bit with lowering damage to it's spine when we get bigger carnivores? I mean there is keratin there...

[urban flax]

Or stego's plates could cut through steel when it rolls, like in Extreme Dinosaurs

[cyan flame]

This. Flush the plates for a held threaten call would be amazing!

[ashen elm]

Stego is honestly going to need all the help it can get, if it gets hunted by Carno and Utah now

[zinc rivet]

i mean maybe, we kinda do have that, the thagomizer takes no damage

[urban flax]

The plates don't take damage either

[zinc rivet]

it really doesn't get hunted by them tho lol

a good pack of Raptors yea they can take on a lone Stego

and Carnos, sure if you throw enough Carnos at one so again a numbers thing

[cyan flame]

Except carno and utah do very much hunt stego, good packs/small groups even can take a solo stego quite well, stego isn't quite as scary as people think it is from what I know

[urban flax]

Last time I played I watched a herd of stegos fight against a carno megapack for several days

[zinc rivet]

the point is, they require numbers for just one Stego

[urban flax]

After 2 days half of the carnos were dead, and they killed one juvie stego

[zinc rivet]

they cant 1v1 Stego

[ashen elm]

The tail attack has so much lag, you can bait it out and get away with 1v1 if you are patient

[zinc rivet]

so if you wanna bring numbers into the pred's side

then ofc the herbis can bring numbers too

don't fuck w/ a herd of Stegos

[cyan flame]

And that's reasonable, stego is still hunted by them, and compared to deino, extremely easy to take down, despite them both being large and powerful critters

[ashen elm]

I honestly think herds hurt Stego more, they hit their herdmates more

[cyan flame]

You can't claim stego isn't hunted by carno or utah just because they require numbers to punch up :p

[zinc rivet]

not if they know what they're doing and aren't being dumb

[ashen elm]

Well, same goes for the Utah and Carno

[zinc rivet]

ofc it's possible to hunt em, but just coz Stego isn't invulnerable i don't think it needs all the help it can get

[cyan flame]

Yes and no, stegos aren't designed for communal defense. It's doable if they are positioned correctly, but it's a lot more effort than for most others and much easier to mess it up

[ashen elm]

Yea, I'd agree with that

[zinc rivet]

I think it's atm very powerful regardless and won't really need many buffs as the larger carns come in

[ashen elm]

I definitely think it will

[cyan flame]

I would say it does need help, it's trash at being a stego, even if it's powerful in some ways. But compare it to deino, and let me know how well said deino does on land (but I'll grant you near river so it can retreat when needed) and one stego in the same position (it can use the water as a "wall" sort of), vs the same number of utahs/carnos

[ashen elm]

But for the most part, I'd just take the swing, most ideas for niches for Stego that I can think of are utility based and those won't help Stego be any more popular than it is anyway. Maybe giving it more mobility, as mentioned a better turn

[cyan flame]

Pretty sure the deino will handle that situation a lot better than the stego will, despite them both being about as big and powerful as each other

[cyan flame]

Swing as an attack is needed + mobile attack. Flush plates for a threaten would be really cool. Maybe a bit more on the turn, it's a little slow, but mobile in general, no. I think it's fine if it's a niche choice, like deino. Most of the large critters should probably be a niche choice, it's also one way to keep them from being too popular without making them stupidly difficult to get to.

[ashen elm]

I'd take that. I honestly think the most important thing for it is a swimg. but i think the devs know that by now hopefully

[zinc rivet]

i think swing should be the mobile attack

[ashen elm]

That's fine. Something like Pue's sprint tail attack, maybe covering a wider range

[cyan flame]

Nah, tail wiggle rearwards for a mobile attack, so you can do a retreat and still be dangerous. Swing should be the main "AoE" for smaller stuff, covering the entire side and all that, and then jab as an alt, limited area, but much more powerful for the big stuff that can't just run around you in a circle as easy

[zinc rivet]

shorter range and can be used while moving but doesn't turn you in place, so jab has good utlity of reaching further, catching targets with it's travel time, good for repositioning because it turns you in place

[cyan flame]

Swing = from tail to head, jab would be more "out" from the side like current fast jab. The rearwards attack is to keep something from following you/use while turning and stuff

[zinc rivet]

i disagree

[cyan flame]

Stego should not be jabbing at all really, it's not how a stego works, but I can see the jab as useful vs rex and stuff if it's more of a sideways attack possibly, assuming rex and similar can't just circle the stego as easy

[zinc rivet]

i agree w/ that, honestly at first i hated the stab so much

but been playing Stego a good bit lately and it's quite grown on me

[ashen elm]

I see the swing being used to ward off carni apexes from following. It's like a "follow me and see what happens" attack, even if Stego is slow

[zinc rivet]

i want the swing and jab to have their own separate utilities so they arent just better than one another

[ashen elm]

I think jab should do more damage, swing being used to cover it's flanks more effectively

[cyan flame]

Jab for big targets, swing for small targets, "wiggle" for mobility, to retreat/turn and all, and bite for the tiny stuff

[zinc rivet]

i dont like wiggle

[cyan flame]

But jab as a concept is somewhat stupid :p

[zinc rivet]

your swing and wiggle combined into one is essentially jus what i want swing to be

[cyan flame]

How come? It's just my name for a camara/pue-style rear attack

Problem is thats not a swing

At least not to me

Swing is to cover your entire side

From tail to side of the head

It's to use vs small stuff that the jab can't catch as easily

[zinc rivet]

to me swing is essentially legacy stego's tail attack

just a swipe on one side or the either

[cyan flame]

Whereas the jab should be more limited to the side, slower and more powerful, since the bigger target are less capable of just running circles

Yeah, thats what I mean too :p

That attack basically covered the side of the stego

[ashen elm]

They could do it a number of ways, as long as Stego doesn't only have a bite (...) as secondary, I'm good

[zinc rivet]

here's an idea we can all agree on

when they add the other tail attack, rebind bite to an alt attack

[ashen elm]

🙏

[cyan flame]

Just add trample and we don't need to bite the little shitlings, just run them over :p

[zinc rivet]

trample and proper shoving im excited for

[ashen elm]

I do wonder how they are gonna handle trample and babies

[zinc rivet]

it'd be fun af to fucking charge into a large carnivore as a stego and knock em off balance and spin around to execute em right there

[cyan flame]

Also might stop the dryos from running in front of you and stopping you because collision :p

[zinc rivet]

is shoving still gonna be a thing coz i was rly excited for that

[cyan flame]

No idea

[ashen elm]

I don't think shoving has been talked about.
I think if they do include it, it'd be a CC ability

[cyan flame]

Trample is what I know of, but that would be for much smaller stuff than you

[ashen elm]

The only "shoving" type thing they have mentioned is knocking over trees

[zinc rivet]

where animals with more mass than others can push less massive animals around to varying degree, the more momentum put into the collision the stronger the shove potentially causing a knockdown

dondi talked about that in a stream before Evrima released while he was showing off the Triceratops

got me excited af but so far nothin

[cyan flame]

Huh, must have missed that

[ashen elm]

True. While carrying trees is a bit much in BoB, I do like knocking things over

[cyan flame]

Sounds interesting, but unless we get better confirmation, I'll take that with a grain of salt. Trample is a little more confirmed I think at least

[zinc rivet]

you'd need to be like full on sprinting into them in order to cause a knockdown afaik so you couldn't just abuse it, because the much larger guys tend to be slower and much louder so you'd know it's coming, if they're too small they couldn't do shit so you'd just point and laugh. It'd be an option and another degree to combat but not so abusable coz of how obvious it'd be they're goin for a knockdown and how much stamina they'd potentially waste if they fuck it up and miss

i love the idea i think it'd add another degree of realism into the world to be able to interact w/ the other animals like that

[cyan flame]

It would be cool, no doubt about that

[zinc rivet]

we'll jus have to wait 5 years and see .w.

[ashen elm]

The only reason I think they'd hesitate with that
Is that's basically Carno's entire ability lol

[zinc rivet]

could expand upon Carno then to make it be the knockdown niche guy

[ashen elm]

though tbh Carno doesn't even use it that much

[zinc rivet]

not like it is significant to Carno's niche tho

it's jus a really helpful tool for certain prey items

specifically Tenos and young Stegos

[ashen elm]

Yep. It's kinda niche for it>
I kinda like the idea of speed ramping up it's damage more but I guess that was too problematic

[zinc rivet]

not like the ram rly needs to be damaging

those free bites on the head are where the damage really is

[ashen elm]

Oh, no there was separate from ram. It was another idea for Carno iirc

[zinc rivet]

ohh

oh gosh

imagine speedhackers 1shotting Stegos

[ashen elm]

lol, yea, that might have been why they moved away from it
Though I guess it depends on what limits you put on the ability for it's min or max damage

To make it worthwhile

[zinc rivet]

Carno speedhackers @ Stegos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zAJpnrHImk

[ashen elm]

Falcon niche but on land

[barren zephyr]

Hii 😃

[odd sedge]

.... What? Deino can't drink over pressing E the last time I played it...?

[swift dew]

what is it with everyone and suggesting titanoboa even though its already confirmed?

[safe galleon]

not everyone knows it

[cloud viper]

@scarlet fog Legacy hasn't been updated in months and it will shut down soon anyways

[hoary dawn]

the amargasaurus is indeed good

too bad the roster is set 😔

[ashen elm]

Yea. Amarga would've been an ok mid tier sauropod
Just need to fictionalize a gallop, since biggest issue is apexes

[odd sedge]

@scarlet fog
There is no need in saving legacy if it gets deleted anyways.
Why should the devs waste their time to fix something that will be deleted

Oh well, it will be fixed when it's deleted

There are no bugs if there is no game

[urban flax]

The only fix to Legacy...
Is Annihilation.
Badass Music plays

[odd sedge]

It's not wrong

[feral solstice]

Long live the king

[thorn glacier]

legacy is over and it can't be fixed
i get people are attached to it but it is what it is

[odd sedge]

Trust me, I'm attached to it too even though it sucks.
But fixing it won't make any sense

[thorn glacier]

^^^

[feral solstice]

@lethal ravine already in the game

[lethal ravine]

i dont see that @feral solstice for evirma

[feral solstice]

Then it’s bugs

Bugged*

[vale pawn]

i think its bugged

[lethal ravine]

Rip

[vale pawn]

i dont see them anymore

but it is there

[feral solstice]

I see it almost all the time though

almost

It displays the dinosaur, percentage, the hunger, thirst, and I think the playtime?

[lethal ravine]

i just started playing recently and i have never seen anything like that

[vale pawn]

yea then its bugged

[feral solstice]

^

[lethal ravine]

i'm talking about For Evrima beta branch

[vale pawn]

it is on evrima

[lethal ravine]

hm weird, i cant see it and never has. It just shows server and then if i click on it it just sayd add fav etc and nothing more

[urban flax]

@turbid forge How will players spawn then ?

[turbid forge]

Random spawn point like before

[urban flax]

That's a downgrade

[turbid forge]

Yea for those types of people that i mentioned

[urban flax]

Yeah but there is a rule for making a good video-game
Don't make something that punish a vast majority of players to get rid of a single unwanted thing

[turbid forge]

It doesn't punish anyone, just use nesting

It forces people to spread out and not just all spawn and stay at the same spot

[urban flax]

"Just use nesting"
Like there will be an infinite number of available nests for every species at any time

There are other solutions to spread players out

[turbid forge]

There won't but if you want to play with a larger group then use nesting isn't that what it is supposed to be for?

nesting wont be necessary if you can just spawn as a bigger dino anywhere at will anyway

[urban flax]

And what if you just want to play with one friend ? Because you know, that's the reason regional spawning was implemented

Nesting has its own benefits

Look at legacy, people nest even though you can spawn as a juvie anytime

And in Evrima, there will be more benefits from being nested than there were in Legacy

[odd sedge]

✨ diets ✨

[turbid forge]

I don't believe they would add "big" or good benefits for being nested in since that will nerf solo play

[urban flax]

Especially if you can't choose where you spawn

[turbid forge]

And even if people in legacy used it that doesn't mean that it will be more than just an rp mechanic then

[urban flax]

People in Legacy didn't use it just for RP

[odd sedge]

What's even the problem here?
How is allowing people to spawn where they want a bad thing?

If I wanna grow my Ptera at south, I wanna spawn south

[turbid forge]

People keep appearing in fights that they have already lost

[odd sedge]

...how?

The cool down exists

[turbid forge]

You die as any full adult creature and then spawn in and continue the "hunt" with a juvie

Still if you are in a group that doesn't matter

You can just throw yourself at someone until they die

[odd sedge]

Literally impossible most of the time since you get a cooldown on your spawn location

[urban flax]

And you believe removing regional spawning would fix the problem ?

Because if you don't remove spawing altogether, it won't fix anything

[turbid forge]

Yes it def would

Longer travel time would fix a whole lot

[odd sedge]

You're trying to fix an issue with a downgrade that isn't even an issue

[urban flax]

It wouldn't guarantee a longer travel time since it's random

And you already can't respawn near the place you died

[turbid forge]

There is another issue too which is snackrificing

[turbid forge]

In a group you can just cycle through members

[urban flax]

What ?

[turbid forge]

would still help and would help a lot more once the map is finished

[quiet estuary]

While I dont think those things are really the issues with regional spawning
I do think that regional spawning should be removed with nesting so people use it more instead of just regionally spawning near their friends

[vale pawn]

[quiet estuary]

And a method to spawn in with friends be added along with this

like steam invites

[turbid forge]

that could work

[urban flax]

Same problem I said to Taber. What if there is no nest of the species you want to spawn as with your friend ?

[quiet estuary]

what i just said comes into mind

[urban flax]

What if you just want to play with your friend and not a random that will become your parent ?

[turbid forge]

read what he suggested

[quiet estuary]

If your friend is a lone parent then get them to nest you in

by finding someone else

[urban flax]

The entire reason they added regional spawning was because they didn't want to add steam invites

[quiet estuary]

was it?

[urban flax]

So in order to play with a friend, they have to grow to full adult and find someone to nest with first ?

[quiet estuary]

Steam invite

[feral solstice]

ur funny

[quiet estuary]

I said the lone parent thing in the sense that you want to play with someone who is already an adult

[urban flax]

Which wasn't my point

[feral solstice]

The spawn system is an implementation to provide you and your friends with a way to find each other without the need to go through shit just to do so

[quiet estuary]

your point was mentioned by my above steam invite statement

[feral solstice]

Removing the spawn system literally negates the ability to find your friends

[quiet estuary]

Thats where again, spawning together withs team invites come in

[feral solstice]

And nesting does nothing but provide a bandaid fix to the issue

[quiet estuary]

and the whole "they didnt wanna do steam invites thing" I never saw mentioned before

Nesting should be prioritized over regular spawning

[feral solstice]

It should be accompanied with the spawn system, not alone.

[urban flax]

It was in legacy, the fact it isn't there on evrima is because they decided to not put it back on purpose

[turbid forge]

why is random spawnpoints so bad?

[feral solstice]

Nesting provides a one-way spawn point if you want to find a group.

[feral solstice]

Because you can’t find your friends?

[turbid forge]

you can tho

[feral solstice]

Not really

With how shitty this map is

[quiet estuary]

You can, it just takes a while

[urban flax]

Because then you have to cross the entire map in order to find the place where you want to grow ?

[turbid forge]

The map is fine tho the compass is bad

[urban flax]

The compass is fine

[turbid forge]

yes point?

[feral solstice]

The compass is fine

[turbid forge]

diets are gonna do that anyway

[quiet estuary]

Both are fine with finding people

Its just it takes time

[urban flax]

Yes it takes time, that's exactly why there is regional spawning
So you don't waste time

[feral solstice]

^

Nesting is just a bandaid fix to the issue

[turbid forge]

Casual mindset in a hardcore survival game

[quiet estuary]

And thats exactly what the steam invite thing would do

Allow you to spawn with friends so it doesnt take that time
Combined with the rfact people still have to move

And nesting should be something that the game promotes than spawning in normally

[odd sedge]

People
Stop arguing about something that doesn't need fixing.

Keep the spawn-choice but implement a random spawn button for people who don't bother

[quiet estuary]

So an instant teleport to people instead of that already in the spawning system is a great way to do it

[turbid forge]

true why even have it in if people aren't going to use it

[urban flax]

What is so bad about regional spawning anyway ?

[feral solstice]

Yeah but that depends on if people have a nest available and if it’s the Dino you want to play

[urban flax]

I get it, people go back into fights after being killed. But they would do so even with random spawns.

[turbid forge]

Snackrificing and people that keep coming back from the dead

[quiet estuary]

If that nest isnt available
Spawn randomly but steam invite friends so you spawn together and can play the game

[turbid forge]

And it takes away from the size of the map

[feral solstice]

Also snackrificing isn’t really an issue. If anything, it’s a low priority issue. You could say the same for sacrificing your adult dinosaur to feed other carnis, though it’s more efficient than a random spawning every 3 minutes to feed someone.

Like

[turbid forge]

You can afk grow by snackrificing

[quiet estuary]

Ive not see snackrificing occur that much

[urban flax]

And random spawning woouldn't do anything about "snackrificing" either...

[feral solstice]

And afk growing is going to plummet with diets

[quiet estuary]

It would but it would sitll be possible to an extent

[urban flax]

As long as there is instant spawning, people can just suicide and respawn

[turbid forge]

not if they keep spawning in as the "diet"

[feral solstice]

But you’ll have multiple diets lol

And staying in one spot

Equals a longer growing time

[turbid forge]

Then switch dino to the new one

simple as that no?

[feral solstice]

and that’s not really a problem

Is it

[turbid forge]

Sure

[feral solstice]

There’s going to be fewer people doing that

[quiet estuary]

I mean snackrificing is a problem but as you said not much of one

[turbid forge]

this is going nowhere im out

meaningless

[feral solstice]

Yeah. “Removing spawn system”

Snackrificing is another reason for doing so.
Mk.

Anywho

Nesting should be accompanied with the spawn system, and steam invites.

[urban flax]

I'm pretty sure steam invites won't come back

[quiet estuary]

Idk I just think the perfect spawn system would work like this

You can spawn randomly but the random spawn locations are depending on your species, for example deinos would spawn randomly in any body of water
If you want to play with friends you steam invite them
And if you want to automatiaclly join a group with friends get nested with them

[urban flax]

meh

[quiet estuary]

That actually promotes nesting

but also allows you to play wiuth friends

[urban flax]

Nesting doesn't need promoting

[quiet estuary]

It does

All ingame mechanics should be promoted

at least the positive ones

[urban flax]

Nesting in itself is already something positive, you don't need to make the rest of the game tedious to "promote" it

[quiet estuary]

It isnt tedious whatsoever though

And its not promoted well enough

[urban flax]

It's more than what we currently have

[quiet estuary]

Plus earlier in evrima when there wasnt a choice of spawn location you actuyally saw juvis spread around the map more
And before you say "diets"
I dont think diets will be making people move as much as people say they will. Especially for fresher spawns who get in with full food.

Making juvis actually have to move a bit when they spawn in if they want to get to that prime growing area seems to me like a way to promote more map movement and a way to give smaller predators more accessable prey but also making them work harder to find them

[urban flax]

No I say better map

So there isn't only one hotspot

[quiet estuary]

Why not both

[feral solstice]

This is how it should go IMO:

You’re allowed to select your spawns, which are limited to specific areas to not invalidate nesting. You’d have Center, North, South, West and/or East as your options (or more).

You’ll also be able to spawn in with friends via Steam Invites, which is an efficient way to spawn and grow with others, invalidating the need to wander the map aimlessly to find the person in the area. (You could spawn in the same area as your friend, but the steam invite would be more efficient)

You can also spawn in a nest, to quickly find a group of a specific dinosaur. But as I just said, it would be limited to certain dinosaurs, and sometimes there won’t be a nest for the dinosaur you want.

Nests could be placed almost everywhere.

Almost

[quiet estuary]

If the spawns were distant from hotspots i wouldnt mind something akin to that either

[feral solstice]

Tbf

Spawns could turn into hotspots

[quiet estuary]

yes

[feral solstice]

Just like how center became one

[quiet estuary]

which is why random spawns would help with that

[urban flax]

Nothing is distant from the hotspot in the current map

[quiet estuary]

Yes

[feral solstice]

Tbh I’d love an option to select my spawns or select random ones.

Pick your poison aye.

[urban flax]

Yes random spawning can be an option

But you still didn't give a reason as to why regional spawning was so bad

[quiet estuary]

I gave multiple

[urban flax]

And Taber won't since they couldn't argue and left

The only ones I heard were snackrificing (not a problem) and coming back into fights (wouldn't be solved by random spawns)

[quiet estuary]

Those were tabers

[urban flax]

So, your reason is that juvies aren't spread out enough ?

[quiet estuary]

That is one

[urban flax]

My answer was that the problem comes from the map, not the spawning system

[quiet estuary]

Another is the fact they create hotspots

[urban flax]

There is currently only one place to go

[quiet estuary]

It does come from the spawning system

[feral solstice]

Anything can create hotspots

[urban flax]

Spawn points don't create hotspots

[feral solstice]

The map can too

[quiet estuary]

they do bubu

[urban flax]

If they would, there would be a hotspot in every spawn point

And in Legacy, there were very distinctive hotposts altough spawning was random

[feral solstice]

It’s dependent on how often players enter a specific area. If there are tons of players in an area at a given time, and it repeatedly gets players, it’s going to encourage OTHER players to enter the area, thus creating a cycle that turns an area into a hotspot

[quiet estuary]

There is a swarm of pteras always on northeast
10 deinos at the log bridge at southeast
Sotuh and center are always flooded
North is the only exception but that is due to the fact that everyone uses it to go to the shallow river near center

[urban flax]

That's because these are the only places to go

[feral solstice]

^

[quiet estuary]

they are not though

as a herbivore you can go anywhere

[feral solstice]

But there’s no landmarks everywhere

[urban flax]

But you don't because there is nothing to do when you're alone in the middle of nowhere

[feral solstice]

^

[quiet estuary]

There would be if people were more spread out

[orchid spruce]

Unstuck command would be better than just yeah am stuck time to click die

[urban flax]

So it's a map problem

[quiet estuary]

Its a spawn problem

And a map problem

the map is subpar as the shallow river exist

[urban flax]

If the spawns were random in the current map people would still go to the same spots

[quiet estuary]

And everyone can camp it with ease

[feral solstice]

I’m the older evrima

There were still hotspots

[urban flax]

And if we had a better map with more places to go, a random wpasn wouldn't be necessary since people would go to other places

[quiet estuary]

Not nearly as much as there would be juvis spread out, making carnis spread out to find food
the more carnis are spread out the more herbis will try to hide and find their juvis

[feral solstice]

Specifically the south eastern swamps

The twin swamps

There were tons and tons of tenos and Utah’s

[urban flax]

No, they'd go to the hotposts to find food

[feral solstice]

And there was random spawns aswell

It’s dependent on how often players enter a specific area. If there are tons of players in an area at a given time, and it repeatedly gets players, it’s going to encourage OTHER players to enter the area, thus creating a cycle that turns an area into a hotspot

^

The map can also be integrated into my point

If there’s a good looking place

People will go to it

[quiet estuary]

But rickardo
That issue is literally made more prevelant via the selectable spawns

[feral solstice]

Yeah people spawn where there’s people lol

[urban flax]

If they even contribute to it, that's by a tiny about
It makes it easier to go to those "hotspots" but people would still go there anyway
It would just take longer

[feral solstice]

Deleting selectable spawns won’t mitigate the problem.

[urban flax]

You keep saying something that was disproven both by Legacy and by early Evrima versions.

[feral solstice]

Me?

[quiet estuary]

Me

[urban flax]

No Uncle Cheech

[feral solstice]

Ah

[quiet estuary]

The legacy thing isnt comparable due to things like ai back then allowing people to sit in one place and do whatever they wanted for extended times

The evrima one is more important though yes

[urban flax]

So they needed to go in hotspots even less

Because even as a carni, you could go anywhere and be fed

[quiet estuary]

the more carnis in one place the more ai is produced allowing people to sit there for ages

[urban flax]

Yeah but you only need to be one person to have sufficitent AI to always be fed

[quiet estuary]

It was a flawed system as we all know

[feral solstice]

Agreed

It was definitely flawed

But selectable spawns being deleted won’t mitigate the problem. It’ll just send us back into the hassle of finding friends (which was so bad, back in the day)

[quiet estuary]

I think deleteing them but adding more systems onto it would aid the issue as a whole

[urban flax]

In Legacy people spawned in a random place, they got to a remote area to grow alone, they went to hotspots to have fun
But in evrima, for some reason having a random spawning system will magically make people go everywhere, even though it didn't at first, when the spawns were random ?

[quiet estuary]

It would as people need to worry about food more in evrima that in legacy

or at least will

[feral solstice]

Yeah but what if everyone could just go to one spot to solve that hunger issue?

[urban flax]

And as I said, what do you do when you need food ?
You. Go. To. Hotspots.

[feral solstice]

Think about it

It’s like a hive mind
They do it without telling each other

It happens naturally

I butchered the word hivemind but yknow what I mean

[quiet estuary]

Yes I know it naturally happens
But the overall thing I mentioned before woudl help reduce it

AS more people moving about the map -> more food spread out -> carnis not going to hotspots as often when they find food about the map

[feral solstice]

I’d rather Diets encourage hotspots to be MOVED rather than to delete a necessary part of finding friends and socializing

[urban flax]

It would require a lot of things for something that wouldn't be that effective and would straight-out remove a mechanic from players

[quiet estuary]

Sure they will go on ocassion to hotspots
But the fact there will be food elsewhere instead of just 1 place isnt an issue

[quiet estuary]

Weve alreadybeen through the finding friends thing

[feral solstice]

Like I said

[quiet estuary]

And diets I think wouldnt be stopping hotspots as a whole
Most likely just lessening them

[feral solstice]

I mean

[urban flax]

Still more effectively than random spawning

[quiet estuary]

Good thing I am saying both

[feral solstice]

There will probably be a moving hotspot with diets

It won’t go away

It’ll just move

[quiet estuary]

yes

which im not the biggest fan of

[urban flax]

Why advocate random spawnings if you agree there are better solutions to fix what you've been saying ?

Better map, AI, diet system

[quiet estuary]

Ide like a mostly even distribution of players across the map instead of multiple differne hotspots

[urban flax]

With those things, random spawning will be so unnecessary to spread players that it will just be out of question

[quiet estuary]

Again, more juvis/food spread out the less people go to it

The early evrima examples ignored the fact that people also constantly were moving in the map. In early evrima I always saw people spread out, hotspots did exist but not to the extent they do now. I always saw people in the plains and forests north of the southern swamps, In the beach areas west to the central river
etc

But I do think selectable spawns should exist now
But not in the best of locations

HAve them in places which arent easy to take advantage of

Current North is the best examople of one of these

[urban flax]

Oh that I can agree with, selectable spawns need to be fine-tuned to not be too easy nor too hard

[quiet estuary]

THen have randomized spawns to have you spawn in better locations

with the steam inv thing

for friends

This would be a nice middle ground with both sides having diff advantages

[urban flax]

But that is unfair
Just spam the random spawqn button until you can get a good spawn place, better than the normal ones and invite your friend to instantly spawn there ?

Just no, keep balanced regional spawns and don't throw the balance out with randomized spawns that can be either very good or very bad

[quiet estuary]

not very good or very bad

just good

[urban flax]

If you pick random spawn, you spawn randomly in one of the available spawn points

[quiet estuary]

Well thats a whole other branch there

[urban flax]

That's still stupid to have some spawn points locked being randomness

[quiet estuary]

Random spawns should be completely random

[urban flax]

So that you can spawn in the middle of a river ?

[quiet estuary]

Or completely random in select types of areas benefiticial to your species

[urban flax]

Spawns were never completely random and should never be

[quiet estuary]

Why not

I dont see the issue with spawning in any random place that is oriented to your species

[urban flax]

Because that's terrible for gameplay, you must understand than in most cases, especially in this kind of game, randomness is bad

[quiet estuary]

Randomness is bad for balance
Somethign like this is not bad for balance

[urban flax]

It's the absence of mechanic and player control
Even if it's just spawning, it's a bad take on something that was already handled smoothly

[quiet estuary]

the thing we literally just said is more player control

[remote gate]

Could devs please do something about the water new feature? because my bf and other ppl cant play evrima because of the water feature they need directx12 to run the evrima a lot ppl says that or need winds 10 or something and thats the problem not everyone have got directx12 or windows 10 so could like devs make feature like make launching code or something to evrima that it will run evrima without the new water feature thanks (Im not sure if I have to write it here or somewhere else if im in wrong channel just tell me the right one xd)

[quiet estuary]

Youas the player can choose to spawn in very specific locations
or random locations

Wolfmoon you should put that in #general-feedback

[urban flax]

Yes but you're locking some possible locations behind randomness

[remote gate]

oh oke thanks

[urban flax]

I don't know why you would even want that

[quiet estuary]

Each one gives their own benefit

[urban flax]

But it's random

[quiet estuary]

which makes players think which they would chose

[urban flax]

They don't choose if it's random

[quiet estuary]

Bubu you are misunderstanding what I am saying

The random spawn would put you somewhere randomly that is beneficitial to your species (IE somewhere with a lot of an animals preferred plant) but the negative is that its a random place

The selectable spawns would let you spawn in very specific places but they wouldnt be as effective of places to be in, but would allow you to find other smaller fresh spawns with more ease

The players would have to think which benefit they want to have depending on what they are playing, if they are playing with friends, if they wanna meet with people, etc

[urban flax]

So in order to have the best spawn you need to pick random

I understood well and I still hate it

[quiet estuary]

Yes, but there is a negative in which it is random
But you can choose to spawn in a not as good palce but you know 100% where youa re which is its own benefit

[urban flax]

So it all runs down to "test your luck and see if you can play comfortably or not"
Which is terrible

[quiet estuary]

BOth have negatives and positives which makes people think about what they want which is something that this game needs more of

[urban flax]

Or don't test your luck and remember that it could have been better if you decided to pick the random option

This is. Just spawning. Don't make people have to strategize over it and just let them spawn where they want

[quiet estuary]

Why not strategize over it

It maeks the game more interesting and makes people actually put thought into the start of their gameplay

[urban flax]

And if they want a random spawn, let them spawn in one of the places that have been chosen to be spawns for that particular species

This is a survival game, not a spawning game

[quiet estuary]

your spawn is part of a survival game

Where you spawn can determine the start of your characters playthough

[urban flax]

And that's why you want to make it random ?

[quiet estuary]

Which is likely one of the more important parts of this game as thats where you are generally weakest

[urban flax]

Because being lucky is a strategy ?

[quiet estuary]

Bubu, you still are misunderstanding what I said about randomized spawns

its not being lucky if where you spawn is always generally the same in how benefiticial it is

[urban flax]

If there is the option to have a better spawn by selecting random rather than just picking it, then the strategy is to test your luck

[quiet estuary]

Its not testing your luck as one thing always produces one benefit and the other always produces another benefit

That isnt luck
That is "which benefit do I wish to have at the current time"

[urban flax]

Why would devs waste so much time on implementing a complicated algorithm that makes you spawn in identically beneficial places at random BUT not in the places that you can choose normally ?

This is making less and less sense

[hybrid matrix]

why not just make it so that the random option spawns u in a random one of the regional spawns?

[quiet estuary]

I just dont really see much of the point in random spawning when it is like that

[urban flax]

There is none

Because there is just no point in random spawning

[hybrid matrix]

wut if u just dont care about where u spawn?

[quiet estuary]

different methods of spawning should have different outcomes though imo

[hybrid matrix]

and u wanna just click the random options

[quiet estuary]

Like how nesting should be the best way to spawn in

[urban flax]

Then that's it. If you wanna strategize at spawn, you choose between either normally spawning and choosing where you spawn and being nested. That's all it needs to have in terms of strategy

[quiet estuary]

That isnt strategy whatsoever

Speaking of spawning strategy though

[hybrid matrix]

spawning doesnt need strategy

[urban flax]

Anyway I'm gonna go now, I should have gone to sleep an hour ago

[hybrid matrix]

what?

[quiet estuary]

bye

[hybrid matrix]

why does spawning need strategy???

[quiet estuary]

Wasnt there mention of an airdrop thing ages ago

[hybrid matrix]

also bye

[urban flax]

I'm leaving this discussion in your hands Derptah
Be wise and polite

[hybrid matrix]

i think thats supply drops for mercs

[quiet estuary]

No it was like

dinos are airdropped in as children

[hybrid matrix]

ok i'll try :(

[quiet estuary]

That can be a perfect way to do such a thing

[hybrid matrix]

ok but what are you suggesting?

[quiet estuary]

Everyone gets what they want in it and you can implement the old steam invite system

Well not that I remembered the airdrop thing I am suggesting that idea be implemented in a way

[hybrid matrix]

whats the idea

[quiet estuary]

The original idea iirc was that dinos spawn in via an airdrop, they can choose where they spawn, but since you were airdropped in and the thing is visible you would want to move, and you can steam inv people to drop in with you

The "strategy" can be thigns like remembering where certian preferred foods as certian animals were when you spawn in and going to those places

It was in one of the many ravenous videos

[hybrid matrix]

but why does it need strategy

spawning doesnt need to be strategic

[quiet estuary]

I dont see the issue in it

People having to think smart to choose where they want to spawn to have the best locations

[hybrid matrix]

why does spawning need to be strategic?

[quiet estuary]

Dont use the word need. Nothing "needs" to be added

[paper oriole]

Lowkey had a stroke reading that latest feedback

[quiet estuary]

I could say why do dinos need to vomit

the wolfmoon one mira?

[paper oriole]

Yep lol

[hybrid matrix]

and i would agree

u shouldnt vomit when u overeat

[quiet estuary]

I think they are just saying that their pcs arent good enough for the water physics

And that others are having similar problems when it occurs on their screens

[hybrid matrix]

i havent had any of the problems ive been hearing about lol

but anyway

[paper oriole]

I could sorta understand what they were saying holy shit it hurt to read lol

[quiet estuary]

Nor have I

anyways

[hybrid matrix]

quick warning i may have to leave abruptly without explanation

[quiet estuary]

I will be doing the same in about 10 mins

[hybrid matrix]

back to the topic,

why should spawning be strategic?

[quiet estuary]

It makes people put more thought into where they spawn
and rewards players who know the map better allowing them to spawn in places they know are best

[hybrid matrix]

and now why is that a good thing?

[quiet estuary]

How is rewarding players for knowing the game's map not a good thing

[hybrid matrix]

im not saying its bad i just want to see ur reasoning behind it

[quiet estuary]

I think people should be rewarded for knowing where their species best areas are

and it would make people try to learn the map more as well

[hybrid matrix]

ok, but can you see why this is a bad thing too?

[quiet estuary]

not at all

[hybrid matrix]

ok, well, if everyone spawns in one area, then there isnt much diversity
i mean, not every player will spawn in the same spot, but if every member of a species is in one area of the map, then u'll just keep seeing the same things in the same places and there wont be any mixing

also

if u want to find a certain species to hang around with or to fight, then u kno exactly where to go

[quiet estuary]

well thats the thing right
if a place is good and many people spawn there itll eventually stop neing good

[hybrid matrix]

but then that ruins the point of ur idea

[quiet estuary]

Not really

if you know multiple good areas

[hybrid matrix]

explain

ok

so

lets say every good area for ur species is exhausted of its resources

[quiet estuary]

and if plant spawns arent infintiely in one area

[hybrid matrix]

what then?

nowhere to go

[quiet estuary]

From my understanding of how plant spawns will work, its meant to change after being uses for extended amounts of time
Like x area gets eaten, those plants which were once in x spawn somewhere away from x inside y

But as this is happening z is being eaten and the plants which spawn in z are respawning in a
and they loop

This is what ive been told though

can be completely wrong

also what was the other thing you were goign to say

[hybrid matrix]

wut thing?

[quiet estuary]

_

[hybrid matrix]

read under

[quiet estuary]

Ah

mb

[hybrid matrix]

its fine

[quiet estuary]

I gotta hop off now

cya

[hybrid matrix]

bye

[scarlet fog]

There was a update a few days ago and now the V3 map is very dark and the problems I mentioned are there.

[hybrid matrix]

@fervent atlas well, if u wanna make it more of an agile rabbit then why not just lower the biteforce?
u dont need to make it heavier
its fast enough to outrun everything but a carno and its agile enough that it doesnt need to outrun a carno

[icy lion]

@fervent atlas Health is not equal to weight, and utah weighs 500kg

[sudden hinge]

@fervent atlas dryo is fine as is really

[zinc rivet]

dodge needs refined if not just reworked but every other aspect of Dryo is good imo

[hybrid matrix]

the way dryo is rn it just doesnt need the dodge at all

[safe galleon]

I agree, dunkle looks very cool

[hoary dawn]

hatred

suffering

[zinc rivet]

yea, turning is just as good if not better due to the lack of awkward pause. I'm really liking the idea of jumpkick dryo the more I think on it

[hoary dawn]

that was the concept for the current model

but yes the one we have should be tweaked to look more like the concept

[ionic arch]

I couldn't upload all the images so here

@urban bear you mean you want to replace the current spino model with the Fred concept art? Yeah me too.. but it's ok if we won't get it

[urban bear]

Yeah thats what i mean instead of the new spino remodel i want the fred concept

[paper oriole]

I wish we could have tap spino

[ionic arch]

both.. one as a skin and one is the original

[paper oriole]

The spino we got is so ugly and not even in the cool way

[hoary dawn]

eh, i think it looks alright

just needs a bigger sail

[paper oriole]

Legs way too long, sail is so small its like they didn’t want it to even be there but remembered it was supposed to be a spinosaurus, eye is in the wrong hole for some goddamn reason

I kinda understand if they wanted its legs to be better for land movement than irl spino but the bastard looks like a generic terrestrial theropod now, its too much

[ionic arch]

No the current one is good but we could of got better... like the Fred concept one or Tap one...

[hoary dawn]

its a bad design for a spinosaurus, but for a videogame with a lot of fantasy elements and designs its good

[ionic arch]

Since we got Dondi saying "Hm." to Simmo asking for Yuty, if it's ever come (I hope it do) it should be faster than cera and allo, weaker than cera but stronger than carno, more stams than cera but less than Allo, better bleed resistence than Carno but less than Allo and better bleed than Carno

We understand that allo is better than cera and Carno in almost all stats except speed and maybe less bite force than cera?? beside Alberto

[paper oriole]

For a movie monster it's good, for a spinosaurus it's soggy dumpster lazy

[zinc rivet]

good is subjective, to me it looks goofy as fuck and not 'cool'. No objective way about it

[paper oriole]

It looks like it's trying to be cool buy it's really just boring, uninspired and deformed

[hoary dawn]

I always mixpack

[tawny juniper]

Send tap spino

[tawny juniper]

🤌

[paper oriole]

[hoary dawn]

small interaction things like that would be great

[fiery wraith]

I would love to land on the backs of huge animals as hypsi.

it'd also rule as ptera if you could land on a brachi or something

[hoary dawn]

i think a ptera or 2 would be able to fit in between stego's plates

[paper oriole]

Wtf is that feedback saying lmao

[zinc rivet]

burrowing deino because he can't handle the fact that players are smart

[paper oriole]

Lmao

Wait so he wants deino to make burrows and ambush from them?

Dear god

Also he only mentioned herbis, is he just picky or some shit? There are carnos messing around by the river almost nonstop

[zinc rivet]

carnos and utahs

and a cocky lone stego could potentially be Deino bate if it thinks it's invulnerable while wading in the deeper waters

(totally didn't almost lose a Stego earlier today in this exact scenario)

[paper oriole]

Any stego who thinks they can still play deino terminator is either braindead or only runs into braindead deinos

Like ive seen them

[zinc rivet]

to be fair the fucker got me in such an awkward angle where he could bite my head but my tail could only get body shots

[paper oriole]

Yeah thats why stego kinda gets wrecked now

[zinc rivet]

luckily i was somehow able to tank him and outdamage him with a bit of funky turning but stego turn is still ass so i was hurtin

[paper oriole]

Deinos can bite their heads theiugh their arse

[zinc rivet]

mhm exactly what happened

but comin out on top w/ half health is still better than dead

anyways ambushing from the bushes also works

[paper oriole]

Yeah its usually a pretty close fight now

[zinc rivet]

not as well but it's got potential that not enough players use

[paper oriole]

Also deinos can still use the fish bait tactic

[zinc rivet]

EHHHH

i wouldnt rely on it

[paper oriole]

It still works

People are idiots

[zinc rivet]

shouldnt rely on it tho

next time i grow a gator imma try ambushing from the bushes instead

i feel like that has potential

[paper oriole]

Both tactics seem pretty reliable honestly

The fish usually only picks up utahs ive noticed

[zinc rivet]

also to confirm, does mashing A/D when an animal is grabbed actually do thrashing damage? Not been able to test it myself but a few people have claimed it does w/o any proof

[paper oriole]

Honestly i have no idea either, only played deino twice ever lol

[zinc rivet]

fuk

i lowkey hope it does

[hoary dawn]

that seems like the kind of thing they would advertise when the update dropped

[manic flint]

According to the devs no

[oak tapir]

@lethal ravine Wdym Percentage ?!, Thats already in the game just hover your mouse over the bar ad thats it

[crimson phoenix]

im fairly certain it doesn't. ive played a bit of deino but ive always killed what i grab by pulling them out in the open water, letting them go and then mauling them with normal attacks

[urban flax]

@dapper mirage I agree we should have lakes, but what you say won't really work
If deinos can't ambush from lakes, they won't go to lakes
So drinking from a lake is just better since there are less deinos AND you can spot them more easily

[limber hull]

sounds like lakes would be entirely bad for deinos

honestly, with the addition of the cherry or spino, clear lakes would make much more sense

[urban flax]

yes

[dapper mirage]

Not necessarily. Personally I feel lakes would be more optimal for ambushes simply because crocs can have a view of all of the potential targets. On rivers it can take a while to find a player to ambush

Plus, rocks, underwater foliage, etc can be used for deinos to hide in

[limber hull]

a cherry/spino would love to dwell in clearer waters

thus making the clearwater have its own unique threat

[urban flax]

For ambushing, not being seen is more important than having the choice of prey

[dapper mirage]

Which is why you can add underwater foliage

If you want to be a lake deino, you have a much easier time actually finding prey, but the trade off is that you have to be much stealthier

Whereas in a river, it can take longer to find a prey option, but you can hide much more efficiently

[urban flax]

I'm not sure the tradeoff would be worth it

It'd still be better to drink from lakes than from rivers

[dapper mirage]

In theory yes, which means a lot more animals would go to lakes, and deinos have more chances to pick something off

No matter what lakes will always be more of a popular choice than rivers

[urban flax]

It wouldn't become easier to ambush because there are more people

Look, a lot of people go to shallows to drink, but there isn't a single deino there

Also in a deep lake, you can't have as many deinos as in a river if they're not all in the same pack, because water foliage can only cover so much, and you're much more easily spottable by other deinos

Though anyway deinos would never go to lakes once spino and cheirus are added (assuming cheirus might live in lakes)

[urban flax]

@edgy iron The game doesn't take place in the mesozoic

[edgy iron]

I understand that, I was just trying to point that out

Also, center is a massive hilly grassland

[urban flax]

Yeah but that's pointless, you're pointing out the fact that something didn't exist 120 Million years before the time when the game takes place

[lethal ravine]

noice

[oak tapir]

Kinda right since the island's water all connect , will be rare to see a croc cross land to get to a lake unless it is a massive lake

[ionic arch]

@dapper mirage I totally agree with your idea about lakes and were you talking about this?

[keen reef]

@mental cargo any feedback?

won't let me @ the other guys Bruh

[plain atlas]

Hello guys, do you know, or do you have any idea aboit 4.5 release date ?

[sudden hinge]

They don’t give release dates

[plain atlas]

Ah ok, and your personal opinion instead ?
When could it arrive ?

[sudden hinge]

Idk maybe like august or September they are grinding update 4 so I don’t see 4.5 taking long after it

[idle comet]

So I just made a suggestion about changing two of the dinos names to something more appropriate for them

Troodon --> Stenonychosaurus inequalis
Minmi --> Kunbarrasaurus

My reasoning?

1. Troodon hasnt been a real animal since 2015 and Stenonychosaurus inequalis is a "troodontid" so you really wouldnt have to change much
2. The model for Minmi literally looks like Kubarrasaurus, like freakishly close to it
   I kinda want opinions on this if yall wanna discuss

[safe galleon]

why

[hoary dawn]

they watched the scanova video

[idle comet]

For troodon imo its like tryna perpetuate that pterodactyl was a real organism, or brontosaurus (before a new animal was named that) was real. Like, a lot of peoples knowledge of dinosaurs comes from media like this. I figure, 99% of people know the models arent 100% accurate, we all know feathers, etc. However the names at the very least could be, ya know? Minmi is a similar situation, as its model literrally looks just like Kubarrasaurus, why not name it that?

[glad dirge]

But there's no other reason besides making it closer to scientifically accurate relatives

[safe galleon]

because it really doesn't matter, people won't look at minmi and look at every small detail of the model and then correlate that to minmi, all they would see would be a small ankyolosaur and then think "oh yeah minmi"

both kuba and minmi are small armoured dinosaurs, and that's all people with think when they see those animals

[honest sparrow]

Naming it troodon also gives them the ability to just do whatever they want with it

[silver zephyr]

also troodon is more iconic of a name

[honest sparrow]

That too

[idle comet]

Idk man, I feel its better to broaden peoples view on these things, hence at least making the names more accurate.
I mean, troodon is iconic yes, but so is pteradactyl, which people still think is real outside of dino nerd circles.
Hell, even shining light on another species would set this game apart from others of the genre even more

[honest sparrow]

I mean does it really matter that much

[silver zephyr]

its not like minmi is well known, so this only applies to troo really

[safe galleon]

name another game that has minmi

hell name another popular modern game that has troodon

[honest sparrow]

Jwe

[silver zephyr]

jwe doesnt have minmi

[safe galleon]

oh yeah park builders exist 🗿

[honest sparrow]

I could swear it did

[silver zephyr]

it dont sadly

[safe galleon]

probly in a mod

[honest sparrow]

Ah makes sense

[safe galleon]

maybe?

[honest sparrow]

At the end of the day

It is just a name

In a game where designs do whatever the fuck they want to

And giant kaiju exist

So if they wanna call them troodon and Minmi

[idle comet]

Minmi is an incredibly popular ankylosaur though is the thing
At least changing minmis head, because its model is straight up kubarrasaurus with that head

[honest sparrow]

They can call them troodon and Minmi

[silver zephyr]

how is minmi popular

[honest sparrow]

Minmi isn’t all that popular tbh

[silver zephyr]

I've literally never heard of it until the isle

[idle comet]

Dude ive had dinosaur books that had Minmi all over them

[sacred quest]

same here ive never heard it until the isle

[honest sparrow]

I too have read them in dinosaur books

But that doesn’t make it popular in the public eye

[idle comet]

He was talked about well before the isle

[safe galleon]

incredibly popular? yeah maybe in the paleo community but not outside of that

[idle comet]

Aye fair enough

Just like, that things head has to be changed tho

Its just kubarrasaurus

[silver zephyr]

not really

[idle comet]

Bro this is kubarrasaurus
The Isles minmi is literally this

[hoary dawn]

if someone plays the isle and takes away that this is how dinosaurs really were then that's their problem, these things aren't trying to be accurate

[idle comet]

This is minmi

[sacred quest]

especially as this game has genetically modified dinos to justify it

[idle comet]

Like I get the game isnt trying to be 100% accurate, but the design philosophy is confusing as shit when some are trying to be more grounded and some are very very much not cough Magy cough

[honest sparrow]

it may also be that the two are incredibly closely related so they took aspects of kuba and put it on minmi

[hoary dawn]

yea, idk too much of the lore but something tells me AE wasn't trying to bring back accurate dinosaurs as much as create genetic monsters to study, i may be wrong tho

[idle comet]

The strains are like super rare tho arent they?
Like, shit maybe they mislabeled troodon and minmi lore wise. Would be a funny dino file or something

[silver zephyr]

[honest sparrow]

The design philosophy is this: ok we have a dinosaur, what do we do to make it work

[idle comet]

Rather they just took kubarra and named it minmi

The design philosophy is broke

[honest sparrow]

Well imma just say what I always say in these scenarios

Cope

[silver zephyr]

I'm looking up images of minmi and some vary from the skeletal you posted above and some of the results are literally kunbarra

[hoary dawn]

isle's designs are fine, the worst of them are either in concept phase or ovi

[idle comet]

Some museums even mislabel em actually

[silver zephyr]

acro alberto austro anky

[honest sparrow]

You have alerted the horde

[idle comet]

Just think of it like this
Kunbarra is smol and smoothish
Minmi is spikey

Kunbarra also has a fukin honker of a snozz

Like I can accept changing some of the anatomy a tad to make the dino work. I dont really like beipi but its an example
However design princibles like what went into Shant is so much better. They took a shant, and made its back spines look like vertebrae that literally forms the silhouette of the original shant model. Beautifully done

[hoary dawn]

cuz shant doesn't need much tweaking to work

[idle comet]

Then pick a dino that wouldnt need much tweaking to work

[honest sparrow]

Shant is very much fine as is

[silver zephyr]

I honestly just think your nit picking, I'm looking up images of kunba and getting loads of minmi images and I'm looking up minmi and getting a bunch of kunba images

[honest sparrow]

I think they were considered the same thing at one point but I could be wrong

[silver zephyr]

seems like they're interchangeable. or its google being google

[idle comet]

Googles being google
Iirc theyre separated by head shape and osteoderms/spikey bits

But they come from a similar area so maybe they were interchangable at one point

[silver zephyr]

same area, both small ankylosaurids, and were or are potentially interchangable, honestly doesnt seem like an issue to me

[sacred quest]

what arent people getting about my suggestion for shotgun ammo?

#general-feedback message

[hoary dawn]

prolly cuz its an ammo suggestion and we're all dinosaur nerds

[limber hull]

gun nerds v dino nerds

dear god

[swift dew]

you came straight from scanovas design tierlist video didn't you

[sacred quest]

lmao

i mean fair enough

but yeah i feel ammo still needs to be talked about and things decided on as humans are coming

but completely understand why some people dont like the idea of humans and guns

and ammo

[hoary dawn]

i like the idea of humans

they would provide a good sense of scale and a good snack

[sacred quest]

yeah i like humans for the horror aspect as playing as them will be making yourself easy prey

[swift dew]

I like humans, but shotguns might just be a little too powerful for them in this game

[sacred quest]

all im saying is bare in mind by no means will shotgun ammo be common or shotguns just that 20 gauge will be more common than 12

i mean buckshot shouldnt be that powerful in my mind as they are quite low damage and against a t-rex or even a mid tier would do close to nothing

i think with balance shotguns would be a thing

[hoary dawn]

it is a neat idea

dont need to thumb up your own suggestion tho

[ashen wasp]

It is INCREDIBLY weird to watch a video like that and then come here and see 30 odd people parroting the exact same points. Not that some aren’t valid points, but still

[paper oriole]

Our Troodon looks nothing like Stenonychosaurus, we don't need another totally fictional design carrying the name of an actual animal (cough cough Utahraptor and Ankylosaurus)

It's honestly better that it carries the defunct name

[hoary dawn]

no guys just call it novadon

[paper oriole]

Troodondi, Novaraptor and Ain'tkylosaurus

[hoary dawn]

beipi and cheirus are omnivores

also am i just misinformed or is homalo smaller than hypsi and oro

cuz past couple growth time suggestions have homa growth longer than hypsi

[paper oriole]

Triceratops being 4hr is kinda wack

[oblique crane]

3 hour carno puts a dent in my heart

[paper oriole]

It should be powerful enough to warrant a 6hr growth, not be a 4hr throwaway or too strong for its growth

[oblique crane]

but yeah trike being 4 hours and stego 5 is interesting

[paper oriole]

5hr brachi too seems weird

[hoary dawn]

brachi is pretty much immortal

it needs a decent growth time

[paper oriole]

4h20m shant lol

I think herbis should have shorter growths than their carni counterparts but this is too much

[hoary dawn]

i did see a suggestion that brachi growth takes like 3 hours to get past juvie and then the rest takes like 7 hours

so it can actually survive past juvie but also isn't an insta god

[paper oriole]

Oviraptor taking as long as gallimimus is weird too

[hoary dawn]

4 hour cama

no

[paper oriole]

Its basically galli but small as far as gameplay goes what what i can tell

[vale pawn]

OVI 1 HOUR

[paper oriole]

Dilo and utah only being an hour

Dilo and utah growing as fast as pteras

[hoary dawn]

dilo should be at least 2 hours imo

[oak tapir]

@barren zephyr "Are you crazy , Are you outta your mind?!" , SHANT 4 hours- PFFFFFF, nah

[paper oriole]

Yeah i wanna hear her reasonings for 90% of these too lmao

[keen reef]

If anything, growth times should be longer rather than shorter as mostly shown in this suggestion

[vale pawn]

galli is shown twice lol

[hoary dawn]

i get wanting shorter growth times, but these are very disproportionate to eachother

[vale pawn]

brachi is as long as stego

[hoary dawn]

stego should in no way have the longest herbivore growth time when cama and shant are on the same list

[paper oriole]

Why bother growing a stego when you can be a brachi at that point lol

[fading fjord]

Make Stego bigger

[paper oriole]

Give stego more spikes

[keen reef]

Just make stego as big as a brachi, after all the Isle isn't supposed to be realistic

[paper oriole]

1hr utah would be cancer too they are already so bad

[vale pawn]

[paper oriole]

Make stego shoot its thagomizers like a cannon and regrow them and it refuels by eating grass somehow

[keen reef]

It doesn't need to refuel, they just grow back instantly because that's how it was genetically made

[paper oriole]

Stego can also lay down on its side and start spinning like a beyblade for 30 seconds to shred you with his back plates for a 2% stam cost per usage

[vale pawn]

make it pterano flight speed

[hoary dawn]

or

just nerf the shit out of brachi

[paper oriole]

Allow it to fly with its tail too and skydive onto other dinos for 1shot kills or it's just fodder honestly

[hoary dawn]

its magy sized and has a super long charge up for its stomp

[keen reef]

Basically deinos alt bite rn

[sudden hinge]

@barren zephyr what are those growth times

[paper oriole]

Brachi breaks all its legs when it stomps and then dies of shock

I like how galli takes longer than utah and ptera here

[keen reef]

"Yeah it's only to make it balanced, not fair you get to use a strong creature for so long like that"

-Rex main in a Megapack

[paper oriole]

Wise legacy rex mains bestow thy wisdom upon us

[icy lion]

why is brachi the same growth time as a stego there

[keen reef]

You don't know? Stego is getting some major buffs

[icy lion]

god i wish

[paper oriole]

Stego is gonna be a flying ranged attacker now dontcha know

[vale pawn]

its gonna be able to terraform the map

make its own spiro

[paper oriole]

Stego can heat his plates in the sun to charge a fire breath attack

[vale pawn]

thermal energy

[hoary dawn]

it can flap its plates really fast and fly

[keen reef]

Honestly a 5 year old that uses Minecraft creative mode could probably make a better map

Now that I think about it they should just make rex semi aquatic

[hoary dawn]

and 2 hour growth time

[vale pawn]

make it a flying fish

[paper oriole]

Rex broadcast should break the legs of everyone in its AOE radius

[barren zephyr]

that’s too short. maybe 14 minutes at most.

[hoary dawn]

too short, needs to be shorter

[cyan flame]

We need that as a mod!

[keen reef]

And cause all creatures to also be stuck in night vision even when in daytime

[barren zephyr]

2 pioseconds

[barren zephyr]

Needs to be so short you can’t even see it

[paper oriole]

Why even give rex a growth? I think hypsi has shown us that we can balance apexes without any grow time

[keen reef]

Dude you're clearly not a game Dev that's so underpowered

[barren zephyr]

I am Dondis alt

[hoary dawn]

you spawn and reach the end of elder in a matter of milliseconds

[keen reef]

I believe it, he probably wants Alberto to 1 shot brachi

Which I'm not saying it shouldn't

[barren zephyr]

rex should one shot everything just by running

[paper oriole]

Rex's foot steps cause shockwaves that launch all dinos in its path into the sky and they explode from sheer energy overload

[hoary dawn]

its fat mass of flesh creates earthquakes across the island whenever it moves

[barren zephyr]

finally, a balanced dinosaur

[vale pawn]

fair and balanced

[paper oriole]

Just like rex was in real life back in the cambrian or whatever

[barren zephyr]

also make its bite hitbox at least 7 miles long

[keen reef]

Definitely more balanced than the crocodile

[hoary dawn]

and of course make sure to give it a think coat of feathers for accuracy :)

[paper oriole]

Its bite creates a rip in spacetime

[barren zephyr]

:))))))

[vale pawn]

it is spacetime

[barren zephyr]

It’s 1 call needs to obliterate the map too

[vale pawn]

when it breathes the surrounding area becomes radioactive

[barren zephyr]

Still feels underpowered tho ://///

[keen reef]

Bro do you even code? It needs to become a black whole upon birth you idiot

[paper oriole]

Its 1 call should inflict full fracture to everything in its radius, but give it a half second cd so it isn't too op ya know

[hoary dawn]

bruh these are such good ideas we should just make our own game

[barren zephyr]

A game like this already exists. It’s called BoB

[hoary dawn]

trail of beasts

[barren zephyr]

Beasts of 5677

[keen reef]

This is actually a leaked convo of the Dev team making strains

[odd sedge]

Why 1hr for Ovi.
It's small and far less dangerous than a troodon

[hoary dawn]

time of really big animals

[paper oriole]

We can call it the isle of beast titans inBermuda 9500 and it will be the most popular dinosaur game

[barren zephyr]

^isle killer

[hoary dawn]

we will kill the isle

then pot

then maybe bob

[barren zephyr]

finally, no more idleand

[paper oriole]

I hope the devs dont see this and steal all out genius ideas

[hoary dawn]

we may have some trouble competing with beasts of 9500

[vale pawn]

the economy will do greatly

[paper oriole]

We can make our rex 2x bigger than beast 9500's and all the paleo community will not be able to resist our accuracy, beast 950000 will fall

[hoary dawn]

excellent

[barren zephyr]

we need a really big map too

Like bigger than any dinosaur map combined

so it’s a complete and utter burden to travel :))))))

[hoary dawn]

and we haven't even talked about dlc yet

[barren zephyr]

UNDERWATER DLC

subnautica 2.7

[hoary dawn]

dlc that lets the aquatic playables go underwater

[barren zephyr]

[hoary dawn]

$5 dlc that adds a slightly darker shade of green to like 3 playables

[barren zephyr]

Let’s make the base game around 60 dollars like a triple A company too

[hoary dawn]

we'll bribe anthomnia into calling it The Dinosaur Survival Game Of 2021 to boost sales

[barren zephyr]

Anthomnia

[paper oriole]

Upvoting your own suggestion

[feral solstice]

[hybrid matrix]

5 hr brachi lmao

i hope at the very least its like 15 hours for brachi

the majority of which are spent from fresh adult to full adult

i think my favorite one is 2hr 35m theri

i dont think its good

i just think its the dumbest one

[paper oriole]

1hr utah and dilo is kinda hilarious lol

[hybrid matrix]

imo theri should be 3.5 - 4.5 hrs

[paper oriole]

Utah and dilo growing as fast as pteranodon

[hybrid matrix]

no

[paper oriole]

No

[hybrid matrix]

lmao

[paper oriole]

Isnt utah like 1hr45m rn

[hybrid matrix]

maia isnt even in the game yet

[paper oriole]

Oh dam even that seems short for how easy it is to megapack with them

[hybrid matrix]

with a few exceptions if these growths were scaled up quite a bit they might be acceptable

[barren zephyr]

[paper oriole]

Why did you put gallimimus twice too

With different growth timers

[hybrid matrix]

they included galli as a herbi and an omni, but not ovi

[barren zephyr]

Galli was in the herbivore slot then it was in the Omni….

[patent garden]

lol

[paper oriole]

I am confusion

[patent garden]

i do hope galli has a short growth time, shorter than utahs do

[paper oriole]

Yeah galli shouldnt take longer than utah it's a flight animal

[patent garden]

they're meant to be disposable open-prairie kind of dinos

like gazelle or smth

[paper oriole]

Flight animals should in general take shorter times than their predators

[swift dew]

wtf are these growth times? how is trike shorter than stego?

[barren zephyr]

they should still one shot humans with a kick though

[hybrid matrix]

i think 15 minutes shorter than a utah seems fair since it looks like it'll wreck a utah if it absolutely has to

[barren zephyr]

in the face

[paper oriole]

Yeah they should split a human like a banana peel

[hybrid matrix]

should oneshot humans no matter where they hit

[patent garden]

i mean have you guys seen what an ostrich can do to a human

[hybrid matrix]

indeed

[swift dew]

and why is beipi not in the omnivore spot

[paper oriole]

Honestly even a dryo bodyslamming a human would probably leave the human critically injured

[patent garden]

^

[hybrid matrix]

except our galii is like a hybrid between an ostrich and a cassowary so its much worse

[patent garden]

everything gives humans legbreak lmao

[barren zephyr]

dryo would maul a human

[hybrid matrix]

everything would

[paper oriole]

Humans take insane bleed from even a compy bite lol

[barren zephyr]

even oro

[patent garden]

honestly humans could be heavily nerfed and super weak and people would still play them, so i think the devs should err on the side of over-nerfing them rather than over-buffing

[hybrid matrix]

err?

[swift dew]

#general-feedback-discussion message

if we are talking about growth times here are my proposed times for herbivores and omnivores

[patent garden]

its an expression

i.e, "err on the side of caution"

unless im stupid n spelling it wrong lmao

[hybrid matrix]

oh i wasnt sure wut u meant

i know the expression

wut u should say is "err on the side of caution when over-nerfing them"

[patent garden]

im just tryna say i think that, when humans come (which they wont for years lmao) they should be over-nerfed rather than over-buffed

ideally they're perfectly balanced but...... lmao

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

[barren zephyr]

I think they said they wanted humans in this year (like that’s ever gonna happen)

[patent garden]

yeh we most likely wont even have nesting / gore until september

[swift dew]

humans are coming. "this year, no matter what"

[patent garden]

ew

so they're gonna plop them in even if they're a buggy, unbalanced mess?

[barren zephyr]

“no matter what” for some reason I doubt that

[patent garden]

or well wait a second

that sounds like....... what they've already been doing the entire time

cough desync cough

which they should really be focusing on instead of stupid ass storm systems which will only lag people more

rain was laggy even back in legacy

[barren zephyr]

desync needs to be fixed. like right away

[patent garden]

^

[barren zephyr]

major problem when fighting

[patent garden]

optimization should be their first focus in general

[barren zephyr]

playing utah and you’ll just teleport into a carnos jaws

[patent garden]

like fine, it's an early access game, cant expect many features/dinos. but can it at least be playable?

we're getting neither quantity nor quality right now

[barren zephyr]

Gotten so desperate I went back to legacy

[swift dew]

@barren zephyr so are you proposing galli growth time to be 1 hour or 1 hour 20 minutes? and why is stego growth time longer than the other apex herbis like trike? and why is all of the stronger creature growth times so short overall? and what happened to the rest of the carnivores? unless you hit the character limit

#general-feedback message

that is a list of all the creatures I think

[hybrid matrix]

#401464048610312195 message

[swift dew]

that is at least most of them, not sure if it is all of them

[paper oriole]

This is gonna be good lol

Omni

Fish and plants

[hoary dawn]

why'd all the reactions on the growth time suggestion get removed

[paper oriole]

I thought discord was buggin out or something

Weird

[barren zephyr]

It’s because of our new game obviously

[icy plover]

i still see them, so maybe yalls discord is bugged?

[hoary dawn]

perhaps

[paper oriole]

No like there were more on each

I reloaded and its still like that

It removed my own reactions

[hoary dawn]

there was like 35+ ❌s

[icy plover]

weird. i still see the 44 x's, 9 wheeze's, etc

[hoary dawn]

i will return

[paper oriole]

O well maybe itll give christy a second chance since she's editing it lol

[hoary dawn]

I always return

[barren zephyr]

kills my own

[hoary dawn]

yea discord just being funky

cool

[barren zephyr]

looc

maybe

[candid fiber]

@barren zephyr Brachi and Stego have the same growth time, while Trikes is shorter than Stegos?

Why those growth times?

No, I mean why those specific ones?

[hybrid matrix]

8 hours is nowhere near enough for brachi