general-feedback-discussion

[pastel bloom]

I once got attacked by a cannibal croc and it forced me under the map but I was able to swim out when they gave up the search

[hybrid matrix]

@sonic mural i think with diets carno will get more food from smaller things that are in its diet

[sonic mural]

Yea that’s what I’m hoping for

[pastel bloom]

So how much damage does a stegosaurus tail swipe do the game doesn't tell you it just tells you your bite force

[sonic mural]

@dim ore there not focusing on legacy anymore

[hybrid matrix]

dapper

listen to me

[dim ore]

they are not supposed to be yet they just patched the thing!!

[hybrid matrix]

legacy is a broken game

[dim ore]

now i cannot see anything at night

[hybrid matrix]

dont expect anything from legacy

[sonic mural]

Just don’t play legacy at this point there not gonna do much with it

[dim ore]

i am giving them feedback saying why on earth did they waste time patching legacy only to make it worse???!!! i was under the impression they shouldnt be touching it anymore yet they did!!

[sonic mural]

There not focusing on it anymore so there not wasting there time on it anymore

[dim ore]

DUDE they did waste time on it, i just downloaded their recent addition where they "fixed" lighting and let me tell you it sucks!

[spring holly]

play evrima?

[dim ore]

evrima is boring and pointless as it is right now

[sonic mural]

Ok even if they did waste time on it it doesn’t matter legacy is irrelevant now basically

[dim ore]

that is why i am mad, they should have left legacy alone while people wait for evrima to be worth playing

[spring holly]

legacy too xD

[sonic mural]

Even tho evrima is buggy asf it is more fun than legacy imo lol

[dim ore]

legacy was much more fun than evrima, as it has skins and nesting right now, why did they waste time making night impossibly dark??

it was so stupid. thats all my feedback is about

[sonic mural]

Evrima is gonna get skins and nesting too it’s still early, and they plan on improving night in evrima so calm down

[silver zephyr]

for all we know the night going super dark was a result of legacy spaghetti code, from what I understand the main purpose of the patch was to remove dinos from the code like magna rex and brachio

[dim ore]

i know that dude but for now people are staying on legacy till it gets here. but the devs just made legacy so dang dark at night its pointless to play

[spring holly]

lol skins and nesting. how did that make the game more interesting? combat was flat and boring in legacy.

[sonic mural]

^

[spring holly]

don't you have night vision in legacy?

[sonic mural]

Legacy= more complete but low potential/boring
Evrima=less complete a lot more potential/a little more fun

[dim ore]

look im not the only one who finds nesting and the skins a huge part of the game. why do you think the devs bumped that update forward so it comes sooner?? its because they got tons of feedback saying people are not coming to evrima till skins and nesting are here.

[spring holly]

yah but people don't get that this game isn't dino facebook. it's a horror survival game. lol so nesting and skins are not important right now. it's not the core of the game.

[dim ore]

i dont have some deep love of legacy, once evrima is worth it ill gladly hop over, but for now legacy is where i play along with most other people. and the devs just screwed with it to make it retardedly dark

[spring holly]

skins and nesting doesnt add any dimensions to the gameplay loop

[dim ore]

dark your opinion is just that no different than mine. and i know a huge community who are not coming to evrima till nesting and skins are there. so if combat is what makes you happy good for you. for me im waiting for what i find fun.

[spring holly]

but i dont understand your night issue. last time i played legacy, i had night vision

did they remove night vision?

[sonic mural]

No

[spring holly]

then what's the issue if night vision is there?

[sonic mural]

I can see why nesting would be wanted a lot tho since it would be a big part of gameplay but not skins

[hybrid matrix]

nesting is boring af

u sit on a nest

thats legacy nesting

[sonic mural]

Last time I played legacy u can kinda hardly see with night vision on I honestly leave it off lol

True in legacy it was boring but I think it will be more fun in evrima

[hybrid matrix]

evrima nesting is gonna be better, obviously, but nesting is generally pretty boring

[spring holly]

ah never had a problem with it. night time is supposed to be dark and hard to maneuver unless you're a nocturnal dino

[hybrid matrix]

the reason that so many ppl found it fun is bc they had a reason to sit and talk to ppl

[sonic mural]

Yea that’s why I mostly played dilo In legacy for good night vision

[spring holly]

yah i liked dilo too. i went to port at night and shat on rocktahs

[spring holly]

so dinofacebook and this game hopefully will not become that. i hope nesting requires enough attention and specific things that it won't be so easy.

[sonic mural]

I mostly did it to just make babies grow and to hunt with them when they get older but hopefully evrima would make it more interesting than having ur ass on a nest all day lol

[spring holly]

sounds like it will be a job. maintaining nest, protecting eggs/youngs, getting food, having a mate

but honestly, it better be so it doesnt turn into dino facebook

[sonic mural]

Yea I hope u get to build the nest too

[spring holly]

yah you'll need materials apparently

[sonic mural]

And why do u say Dino Facebook so much😂

[spring holly]

because that's what most people think this game will be x'D

[sonic mural]

True lmao

[spring holly]

so sad

[pearl bone]

How is it going to work with people hatching out of the eggs are they just going to be waiting for ages to hatch lmao?

[spring holly]

i think there's gonna be an egg menu when people login without a dino alive

like a list of public eggs to choose from

and you can make your eggs private

[pearl bone]

oh ok that sounds good

[glossy matrix]

tbf Legacy NV is ugly af

[spring holly]

it is

[paper oriole]

Legacy feedback moment

[fiery wraith]

any mention from the devs about latency and hit detection in a while?

[spring holly]

nop, but nesting and skins is coming 👍

they pushed a patch lately though, but I still had horrible rubberbanding and lag when I played yesterday.

I teleported accross an entire field xD

[fiery wraith]

yeah it's pretty awful.

[swift dew]

@granite nimbus yes there will be more fliers, quetz has been confirmed and another mystery flier was also confirmed (I did not hear this from the devs but most people said there was one so take this with a grain of salt) hopefully that mystery flier is tupandactylus and fills the niche as a fruit eating flier.

@dim ore first of all, that is legacy, nobody cares about legacy. second of all, have you ever tried pressing "N"? it turns on nightvision, night time is SUPPOSED to be too dark to see without it

[dim ore]

duh yes i press N and i get nothing but a grey small circle around me and a wall of black...wow such great game play for a night that lasts half the game time.

[hybrid matrix]

yeah night vision hasnt changed for a while

[swift dew]

well then idk what to tell you

[dim ore]

second people do still care about legacy, thats why most players are still on it.

i just wanted the devs to leave legacy alone and focus on evrima

there was no need for them to mess around with the lighting its the third time they have done this

its a waste of time imo

[swift dew]

that is fair, but nv is definitly going to be at leastsomewhat similar to legacy nv

[dim ore]

everything about current nv is horrible i get serious headaches using it

my hope is they revamp nv for evrima such that i can still navigate at night

[low canopy]

its sad that post came how it came to be, because i really think night as it is in evrima is just utter hindrance, there is not a single animal that benefits from it in game yet, and night drags on and on and feels like it takes forever whilst it also makes game "look" shit - talking about evrima

[barren zephyr]

@wanton hull i do too, the game is completely broken. It’s Legacy all over again.
And not just when a Utah dies.

[hybrid matrix]

????

how

what?

how is evrima legacy all over again?

[barren zephyr]

Cuz the more they release updates the more the game is broken.

[dim ore]

if you think evrima is bad now..just wait till they make night pitch black..trust me its coming at least on evrima at night you can still see where you are going

[hybrid matrix]

dude

ur complaining that u cant see at night

at night

[barren zephyr]

Night cycle is ok. I’m talking about the game being absolutly unplayable now. My PC freeze and crash everytime i fight in the game now. The body dragging crashes a lot of players. I don’t even care if they don’t add more content, all i really want now is the game to actually run.

[dim ore]

i actually rather like evrima, i just dont find it fun rn because its just combat and sitting around

[hybrid matrix]

night

[hybrid matrix]

cough legacy cough

i gtg

my dinner arrived

[dim ore]

ye dude, its a game. there is no point growing something for hours just to die because you walked off a tiny cliff that you ought to be able to see

[low canopy]

i rather have night that makes difference and gives sense of dread and stuff, that stuff is good, having a lame ass night we have in evrima is the worst of both worlds, can see quite well and it lasts forever whilst making everything look visually shit

[sonic mural]

Fractures will make that better when it gets added and I do agree on not being able to see cliffs that pisses me off lol

[sonic mural]

And this is legacy lol

[fiery wraith]

is dryo's redo going to be like, totally different, or just a touch up?

[swift dew]

[glossy matrix]

Dryo’s getting a redo?

Why?

[fiery wraith]

ikr i like dryo

[swift dew]

idk much, but dryo is going to get burrowing back (which I am completely against), it will still have good agility and speed (hopefully slower than it is now). idk what is going to happen with the dodge, whether it gets scrapped in place of burrows or it gets both

[glossy matrix]

Burrowing dryo is good

A Dino can have more than one unique ability

[swift dew]

hell no, dryo burrowing is bad. it doesn't need it. dryo should be the agility king, juking everything in its path, not confined to the space of a burrow.

save burrowing for the animals that actually need it

like homa, taco, proto, and minmi

sure burrow expanding would be good for dryo, but dryo shouldn't be able to create its own

[barren zephyr]

I just got here, but I'm with piggy on this one.

[glossy matrix]

Where’s the limit

[hoary dawn]

dryo burrowing is pretty ridiculous when you see how big it is

[glossy matrix]

Devs can make any animal they want burrow

There isn’t a cap

[swift dew]

well there was a 5 ton sloth that burrowed

[glossy matrix]

Yeah lol

[hoary dawn]

yea but as rapidly as dryo

[glossy matrix]

Megatherium

[swift dew]

and minmi is more than twice as heavy as dryo

[hoary dawn]

i dont think megatherium could dig a burrow in a matter of seconds

[swift dew]

obviously there isnt a cap, but there is a difference between giving an animal burrows because you can, and giving it burrows because it literally needs it to not die

[barren zephyr]

I mean, it's also a game. Not reality.

But I see your point.

[hoary dawn]

there is still such a thing as too far even with the isle

[glossy matrix]

Most food is in plains

[swift dew]

I cant see taco, homa, proto, or minmi outrunning much

[glossy matrix]

Which dryos get killed by Carnos in

[swift dew]

this is so not true

[barren zephyr]

Eh, I can see Proto as a maybe

[glossy matrix]

You should be rewarded for smart burrow placement

[swift dew]

dryo jukes carno INTO THE STRATOSFERE

if you get caught by a carno as a dryo you definitly weren't paying attention

plus diets will change where all of the food is

food isnt just going to be these perfectly round bushes that just sit in the plains and look super out of place, they are going to be different types of plants, that spawn in certain locations and each animal (obviously herbivore) is going to have a favorite kind/kinds

so no, not all food will be in the plains

[barren zephyr]

Although there will be crossing between various species diets.

[swift dew]

wdym? will there be animals that like the same plant/animal? absolutly, it adds to competition

[barren zephyr]

Yep, that's what I meant

[hybrid matrix]

perk idea

[barren zephyr]

I gotta head out for now but I'll read it ladle Derptah

[hybrid matrix]

can u see the doc?

[barren zephyr]

Yes

[hybrid matrix]

k good

[desert tendon]

You do realize, regardless of dryo burrowing, dryo will still maintain its turn radius and most likely the dodge as well

[fiery wraith]

dryo would be stronger if lag wasn't so bad. one hit and you're dead and sometimes it feels wrong when you get hit.

hit detection from lag kinda ruins the game sometimes

[quiet estuary]

@hybrid matrix
Personally not a fan of perks which are stat buffs
Also the doc is request to access. You should set it to anyone with the link can read

[desert tendon]

Giving dryo a new ability does not strip it of it's current status. It only adds

[hybrid matrix]

thnx for letting me kno

[quiet estuary]

For the special perks Derptah
Maybe an interesting idea would be that they only become available after you have reached elder with a creature, along with unlocking all previous perks

But stat buffing perks (without downsides) just seems like a way to produce meta builds of sorts
Which isnt really a thing I see being a good thing for this game

[hybrid matrix]

well hey, i didnt say anything about attack dmg buffs soooo...

[quiet estuary]

Yes

at least you arent the average idiot who thinks thats a good idea

[fiery wraith]

just because they have a different opinion doesnt mean they're an idiot. being rewarded and having an incentive to feeding properly will make people move around more and increase player interaction

[quiet estuary]

Yes, and damage buffs (without downsides) arent a good incentive

[hybrid matrix]

theyre a good incentive, they arent good for balance

[quiet estuary]

yes

[fiery wraith]

no one will care if you get cosmetic. they'll just sit there and do the same thing they are now

[quiet estuary]

Good thing nobody said cosmetic

[fiery wraith]

high risk high reward is was feeding seems to be

what are you thinking the perks will be?

[quiet estuary]

Quality of life changes

[fiery wraith]

like what

[quiet estuary]

Along with things which are sidegrades to existing abilities which can shift a playables gameplay

[hybrid matrix]

like the Survivalism and Intelligence skill trees i suggested

[fiery wraith]

like liftoff on ptera is cheaper or something

[quiet estuary]

No

Like hunger times are longer

Oxygen bar increased

[fiery wraith]

that's soooo boring

[quiet estuary]

Then get to elder

and get sidegrades

[hybrid matrix]

thats the second skill in my endurance tree

[quiet estuary]

yes

that was a good one

[hybrid matrix]

what did u think of the special traits?

[quiet estuary]

Thick Skin was terrifying

The diet one was interesting but I find itll just aid afking people

The smell one is great but, I think it should be less color and more idnetifable footprints

as colorblindness can play a factor

[hybrid matrix]

maybe it could be like in horizon zero dawn where u get a pop-up that shows u what the machine is

[quiet estuary]

What about that, but instead of telling you thye machine, it shows an image of the footprint shape

that way player memory plays a role as well

[brazen hedge]

That sounds much better

[hybrid matrix]

well with color player memory also comes into play bc u gotta memorize which color is which dino

[quiet estuary]

Yes, but colorblindness can become an issue there

[hybrid matrix]

so u can select what dino gets what color

[quiet estuary]

Then memory isnt part of it anymore

[hybrid matrix]

well how can u tell apart a footprint if all u kno is the image

[quiet estuary]

You find the animal, then remember

"Oh look, that footprint is this animal"

[hybrid matrix]

yeah, same with colors

[quiet estuary]

If you can choose what animal gets what color then you dont have that occuring with colors

[hybrid matrix]

then the color is assigned automatically

[quiet estuary]

and colorblindess becomes an issue

But, customizating colors for scent should be something as a base anyways

[hybrid matrix]

no bc u see wut the dinosaur is

[quiet estuary]

I currently have to strain my eyes to see bush scent particles on ocassion

[brazen hedge]

Btw something like this is actually present in the game, but it is buggy and not always visible.
(You can see a texture of footprint on the ground, but it often is below the map, so you see only this yellow marker)

[quiet estuary]

I know it is visible

[paper oriole]

ay im not the only eye cripple suffering from the bush particles nice, those things fucking suck

[quiet estuary]

tghe issue is a cloud of glowing dust blocks it

yes

[hybrid matrix]

tghe?

[quiet estuary]

the

[hybrid matrix]

oh

[hybrid matrix]

what are your thoughts on my suggestion

[paper oriole]

lemme read it one sec

[hybrid matrix]

btw i only gave examples of what the perks could be, the base idea is that the perk system should be similar to the one in Generation Zero

[quiet estuary]

I think thick skin would fit as a passive ability for ankylosaurs

Never played generation zoo so I have not much of a point of reference

[hybrid matrix]

look at the image in my suggestion

something similar to that

[quiet estuary]

I get the perk tree
The image doesnt give much context on what each perk actually means

One under survival for example looks like surviving a nuke
Another under combat has a thunder cloud

I think

[paper oriole]

it seems like a solid tree, honestly, though some things there seem to only be applicable to one faction, but as a start it's pretty juicy

[hybrid matrix]

why is that important tho

[hybrid matrix]

which ones are only for 1 faction

[quiet estuary]

When you said this I thought you meant like

The perks would be similar to the ones found in this game

and not purely the tree system

[hybrid matrix]

oh, no i meant that the perk tree should be similar in style

anyway, i gtg

[brazen hedge]

The whole idea sounds good, but it would need a lot of work and testing. I think
(Just to get things balanced and work well)

[quiet estuary]

@waxen adder Your suggestion lacks the "damn place" you want more water in and only shows the image of the place they already put more water

[paper oriole]

sorry got distracted. the scent tracking perk definitely gears towards predators, like it wouldn't be very useful to herbis at all, but it they could zone in on a set of tracks and use that perk it could encourage herbivores to sport hunt, which probably isn't something we should have. In order for this to be accessable to herbis they would have to remove the tracks part for them, which gives them a less potent version of the carnivore skill with nothing to make up for it

the perk to make the most of your surroundings for diet seems geared towards herbis, as carnis primarily wouldn't have much trouble as long as there's prey around, their diets were said to be less strict

I think if each faction had their own perks, with some being shared but not all, it would be a good system

[hybrid matrix]

thnx for the feedback

[vast wolf]

did i really just see a video of someone complaning about broadcasting at a tenonto as a baby utah?

[quiet estuary]

I think the complaint was more the fact it claws the juvi utah from 3 meters away

[vast wolf]

thats more due to desync/latency

cant see the ping but i bet it was fairly high as the teno was sliding a bit.

also why would you ever try to get the tenontos attention. thats just asking for death.

[quiet estuary]

People broadcast for no reason sometimes

Its especially funny when you see deinos doing it

[paper oriole]

he was basically asking for it

[quiet estuary]

Yes thanks for telling me where we get lunged

[paper oriole]

everyone knows 90% of tenontos are aggro lol

and if he didn't, he does now

[paper oriole]

Compy should just have no group limit, there's no point in giving it one

[hot shuttle]

Any opinions on my suggestion? Things its practical?

Think*

[swift dew]

@tall oasis devs already said everything will get the playable treatment its just some wont be playable on official servers

[desert tendon]

fair enough lmao

also @swift dew what does the 0️⃣ reaction mean?

[swift dew]

it was a 20

for 20 group limit minimum

honestly what miragaia said is probably best

but then I think you edited it for the reaction thing

[hoary dawn]

i doubt much more than 20 people will ever be playing compy at the same time on any given server anyway

so yea no need for group limit

[swift dew]

true, but what if it does happen?

[desert tendon]

ok thanks for the clarification

[hoary dawn]

then its picnic day for whatever carni finds them

[desert tendon]

i would like to refer you to my suggestion number 3 in my compy post in #general-feedback . Where i talk about how it could defend itself and or hide

[paper oriole]

Imagine trampling a whole pack of compies to death as a maia, epic isle gameplay

[celest basin]

@desert tendon I think compy was confirmed as ai only

[desert tendon]

its playable

[honest sparrow]

If compy is playable mungle should be playable

[swift dew]

the devs have confirmed that all the dinos will be playable, its just servers will be able to turn them on/off and officials will probably have them turned off

[worn pumice]

Yes

[celest basin]

oh, I dont know about titanboa though, that'd be kind of strange

[desert tendon]

AI like fish frogs and stuff etc wont be playable, but all AI dinosaurs will be

[celest basin]

what if the server is full you can play as compy

[swift dew]

titanboa being ai or playable? because it would be a pretty bad move to make the big snake ai only, even on all servers

[honest sparrow]

I believe Filipe mentioned something about injecting yourself as fish

[desert tendon]

what?

[honest sparrow]

Yes

Make mungle playable

[desert tendon]

i dont understand that sentence

[honest sparrow]

Basically

You know how in legacy you could be a sandbox animal

In survival

That’s an injection

[worn pumice]

My favorite dinosaur

fish

[honest sparrow]

Yes

So make fish

Playable

[paper oriole]

I want to play as ambient frog

[swift dew]

weren't injections removed?

[worn pumice]

Dead ass I’d play as a fish

[desert tendon]

If you can play as a fucking fish then the excuse of a dinosaur being too small is complete BS

[honest sparrow]

Fish wouldn’t be normal playables but like

[paper oriole]

I mean the fish may not even have all mechanics so not exactly

They might not even have attacks or hunger, stam and thirst

[desert tendon]

if a fucking BLUEGILL is going to be a playable creature then i see no reason why microraptor or "monkeydactyl" would be too small for the roster

[paper oriole]

Its a bit different

[honest sparrow]

Make it happen dondi

[worn pumice]

I wanna be a alligator gar

[paper oriole]

I want to play as infinite growth channel catfish

[desert tendon]

i wish i could react to that fish with but alas dondi hates us

lmao

[worn pumice]

While ur at it let’s play as insect too

[icy lion]

whos stopping you

[honest sparrow]

make sure to upvote my mungle suggestion

[worn pumice]

Wait isn’t muskie in the game

[paper oriole]

Epic butterfly gameplay

[honest sparrow]

Yes

[icy lion]

yep

[honest sparrow]

Mungle is in the game

[desert tendon]

we lowly peasants cant react to things in this channel

[honest sparrow]

But it isn’t playable yet

[icy lion]

here ill do it again so you can

[worn pumice]

They should add sum sort of dangerous fish

[desert tendon]

thank you

[icy lion]

but yea something being injectable is not the same as it being playable

[desert tendon]

fair enough

but like...still

its a fish

[honest sparrow]

And?

[icy lion]

and from what ive heard injections might not even be possible anymore, i remember hearing a lot of gruff coming from unofficials around update 3s release

[worn pumice]

Hey I’d play as it

[honest sparrow]

A man can dream

[paper oriole]

Also monkeydactyl and microraptor would just be totally useless in the ecosystem because they cant hunt, and are too mobile to be worth hunting for how insignificant they are in food value

[desert tendon]

compy's should either burrow or dig into corpses and hide in them. Its basically defenseless if it cant. And yes i am the burrow freak but compy's make nests and incubate them underground

[paper oriole]

A fish is at least a reasonable venture to hunt for food

[honest sparrow]

Fish ironically have more interaction with the ecosystem than most extra smalls

[worn pumice]

Low key yea

[vale pawn]

munskellunge

[desert tendon]

can we all agree with this

[paper oriole]

Compy doesnt need burrowing imo, the bastards will basically be invisible even in grass especially with skins

[desert tendon]

how

they will be slow

probably slower than hypsi

[honest sparrow]

Did you see the clip of compy running

That fucker goes

fast

[swift dew]

that was very wip, if compy runs that fast I quit the game

[vale pawn]

i wanna see

[paper oriole]

Theyll be pretty much invisible due to their size and the option to make camo skins

[swift dew]

that speed was like, 3 times carno speed

[quiet estuary]

Compy is practically invisible
The animal doesnt need tools to survive other than crouching

[honest sparrow]

Make it happen dpondai

[paper oriole]

Lmao holy shit they should keep that

[desert tendon]

i did not see it. But judging how hypsi's run cycle looks really fast, alas it is not

[honest sparrow]

No but here’s the thing

[desert tendon]

wtf

[quiet estuary]

The compy clip was it being played

[honest sparrow]

It wasn’t just a run cycle

It was faster than carno

[icy lion]

itd probably be faster than carno if it was carno sized sure

but its a flea

[swift dew]

it wasn't a run cycle, it was clip of it actually running around and it was at LEAST twice the speed of carno

[paper oriole]

I lowkey remember that, was during a map stream right

[honest sparrow]

And had a better jump relative to size than Utah

[quiet estuary]

Yes mira

[desert tendon]

if this is real then i want compy soooo bad

[quiet estuary]

It was sliding on the floor idiotically fast

[vale pawn]

bro wheres the clip i wanna see it

[quiet estuary]

deleted

Twitch DMCA

[honest sparrow]

You can look around for it

[icy lion]

well then thats obviously not complete or confirmed lol

[quiet estuary]

Could be on some old youtube videos

[desert tendon]

i. need. this. clip.

[honest sparrow]

Rav may have the clip but

That would require digging through his old vids

[desert tendon]

Rav? who is rav. Im a bit of an uncultured swine

[quiet estuary]

Probably the original isle news channel

[honest sparrow]

Ravenous, look him up on yt, he was the prime source of isle news before evrima

[desert tendon]

im lookin

[quiet estuary]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9QZ7dGjOUmnUEgzxX_bhGw

[desert tendon]

i cant seem to locate the clip

[vale pawn]

108 videos, yea im not looking

[desert tendon]

well if compy is faster than carno im gonna main it lmao

[quiet estuary]

It most likely wont be as that clip occured while spero was still being developed

It has 100% changed since then

[desert tendon]

true true

even if compy has speed that is slightly lower than carno but is still faster than practically everything else its still gonna be my main

[quiet estuary]

COmpy doesnt need ludicrious speeds

the animal is about a quarter the size of hypsi

[desert tendon]

i just assumed since its around the same size as a hypsi that it would be around the same speed

[desert tendon]

yeah

thats why i think it should burrow and or hide inside of corpses

[quiet estuary]

It doesnt need either
But hiding inside of corpses sounds fun

[honest sparrow]

Just press ctrl

[quiet estuary]

And any animal smaller than the burrower should be able to fit inside the burrow

[quiet estuary]

yes

[honest sparrow]

Effectively invisible

[desert tendon]

you could like wriggle your way into its body and eat it from the inside out

[quiet estuary]

Ide love them to do swarm compy playable like that old Primal Carnage idea

but that would be a programming nightmare

[desert tendon]

muffling your calls and making you immune to attacks

[vale pawn]

hatchling compys

[quiet estuary]

literal ants

[desert tendon]

insects

[vale pawn]

you can hide inside this as it

[desert tendon]

lmao

so true though

the reason i feel like compy should burrow is because if its not going to be fast like hypsi, it has no way of defending itself. Hypsi at least has the spray and the mega jump (even if they are shit) and its going to be able to climb as well. So its not completely defenseless. Compy will do like no damage, it will most likely be slower than hypsi, and it will not have anywhere to escape too. Burrowing would make sense as it did it irl, and it would give it some way to stay alive. It would also make it unique as it would be the only carni burrower

[quiet estuary]

Compy doesnt need to defend itself in those ways as it can use the foliage far better to its advantage than any other creature

[swift dew]

well, It wasn't as fast as I thought it was

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j82aXUUdico&ab_channel=[Ravenous]IsleNews[Ravenous]IsleNews

skip to 25:00

I fucking found it

[vale pawn]

[desert tendon]

oh sick

[vale pawn]

moment of truth

[swift dew]

I swear he was like 10 times faster

[desert tendon]

its still fast as shit

but like

maybe not as fast as carno

[swift dew]

anyway, still alot faster than it should be

[desert tendon]

true true

i feel like hypsi should be faster tbh

[swift dew]

though that is obviously a wip

[desert tendon]

maybe like slightly slower than teno

because its like 39.5 km/h

i know it wouldnt make a whole lot of sense for it to be faster since hypsi is a smol boi with tiny legs, but like its kinda painful how slow it is

[quiet estuary]

hypsis speed is fine

its turn is the problem

and also its camera

[desert tendon]

Very true again

@quiet estuary did you read my hypsi suggestions in #balance-feedback ? I went into great detail about what should be changed about hypsi

[quiet estuary]

Yes

I think the alt attack isnt the best idea

but the rest was good

[desert tendon]

Thx

I mostly just want hypsi to be able to defend its young from things like baby utahs

Because it cant even really beat those

[quiet estuary]

arboreal ability

[desert tendon]

I mean yeah

I just wish it wasn't completely helpless against freshspawn utahs

[quiet estuary]

Ive killed freshspawn utahs before
its a difficulty fight but a possible one

takes about 5-8 hits iirc

[desert tendon]

Yeah that's the thing about it. The fact that it takes 5-8 hits to kill a freshspawn Utah. I just find that kinda pathetic

I feel like the alt slash would kill them in like 3-4 hits

[quiet estuary]

Why should hypsi be killing things though

Like I love being an aggro herbivore and all

But I dont feel like hypsi should be given mechanics to push that

It should be given defensive or escape tools, and improve the ones it currently has

[desert tendon]

I agree that hypsi should not be killing stuff. But if there is a circumstance in which hypsi needs to protect its young and there are not trees to run up, it cant do anything against even baby utahs

[quiet estuary]

Well first of all

why is a hypsi in an area without trees

[desert tendon]

Although if it had the aim assist spit, it wouldnt be that hard to spray it

[quiet estuary]

Like arboreal animals shouldnt be given handicap tools when they are out of areas they are meant to be in

the same applies to aquatics
And other biome benefiting creatures

[desert tendon]

I guess that's fair

I still stand by my alt slash but i do see your point and I agree with you on many levels

[quiet estuary]

And even then in that situation the adult hypsi outruns the fresh spawn utah
And the juvis can hide with ease

especially against fresh spawn utahs who also have low cameras

[desert tendon]

Yeah your right

[paper oriole]

Glowing forests and dinos with weird skin mucus that for some reason doesnt set off the plants' reaction even though plants that react to touch do so due to collision just feels too sci-fi

Like there's a point where it just feels too weird to be immersive

[urban flax]

Yeah I'm not a fan of glowing forests either, but have mutated environments of some sort could still be nice

I hope we're still getting strain plants, because the big strain tree is an environment in itself

[ashen elm]

I'm mean glowing forests aren't too scifi
Certain mushrooms glow in the dark
https://www.intelligentliving.co/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/plants-that-glow2-1024x768.jpg

Though it's usually specific species and they are bit uncommon (though not exactly rare)

I actually think the glowing mushrooms would be neat
Something you could spot even without night vision

[paper oriole]

When i think of cool mutated environments that would fit the isle, annihilation tackled it pretty well with the eerie mutations

The fungus scene comes to mind

Glowing plants exist, but the way the suggestion put it just seems a bit fantasy rather than the horror survival isle is supposed to be

Also a shady (and probably malicious) company like AE doesn't feel like the type to just make glowing plants for funsies, the mutated local fauna and flora would probably be caused by radiation and other biohazard leaks

[ionic arch]

Why does this seems familiar

[molten tulip]

Annihilation had tons of dumb decisions made but by far one of the best was the way they handled depicting a mutant forest

Flowers growing into dozens of arrays of colors instead of just their usual, implying their genes mutating and stacking in just days, overgrowth of antlers on deers' heads into fractals, plants overtaking everything in just a matter of days, etc

Instead of just "look guys spooky zombie trees!!!!!!!"

Actually inspired by biology

[hybrid matrix]

@spiral ravine sometimes u spam it and sometimes u hold it ig

[keen reef]

Yeah it really can't seem to decide how it wants to work, also wallow overriding drink ❌

@lethal cosmos legacy isn't being updated anymore, there's an odd patch which I assume is to combat cheaters, but that usually breaks the game even more

[hybrid matrix]

sucho swamp is in spiro

[keen reef]

Huh, I didn't know that

[hybrid matrix]

yeah its the swamp

[keen reef]

They calling it after something that isn't in the game yet, confusing

[hybrid matrix]

actually i think sucho swamp is gone after update 3

[keen reef]

F

I'll miss it, I like it

[glossy matrix]

Stego is already in the game

[lethal cosmos]

there is suchus swamp which is the bigger one the lil pond between bary swamp the suchus pond has trees and rocks in the water for the deinos one of the recent updates removed the colliders for the debris now we just faze though

i just went by name i found on google for the areas on maps all three big swamps are in the southeast

[graceful vessel]

@tacit lily spew puddles?

[tacit lily]

yeah

[steep warren]

@tacit lily what on earth do u mean spew puddles?

[hybrid matrix]

i think they mean puke

[steep warren]

oh, ok I dont really know why they would want that to last longer on the ground.

[hybrid matrix]

bc it doesnt make sense for it to immediately disappear

[steep warren]

true, if a carnivore saw it it would know somthing would of had to be there and ate. It would also know that it had less stam.

[glossy matrix]

no shallows just makes deino op

[hybrid matrix]

i agree

however

the giant shallow river needs some sort of change

slightly deeper, maybe its deep in some parts but shallow in others, etc

[tacit lily]

Who doesnt love a good spew puddle

[limber hull]

dont remove shallows, but add more ways around them tbh. The current connector between central and east is just a sin, there needs to be another, not awful, route connecting the two.

[hybrid matrix]

maybe the shallows could be just a smidgen deeper tho?

[worn pumice]

i mean we have jace and the map is getting remodeled properly so

[static niche]

what’s the point tho

[worn pumice]

best to just wait n see what happens

[hybrid matrix]

so that babies cant walk across

[limber hull]

i do hope jace does well with this rework. There's just so much wrong with the current map, and it took me finally picking up playing deino to 100% to realise it

[static niche]

i thought it was already like that

[worn pumice]

shallow river in general is just not good

a massive shallow river thats safe from deinos while also letting deinos be completely in danger as the water isnt deep enough

[covert pagoda]

While your suggestion certainly isn't bad at face value @steep warren , it is the wrong approach forthis game in particular. The whole point, or so I was told, was to have prey and predator relationships mostly between human players on both sides. By turning one of those two sides into predominantly AI, you remove the necessity for any players to actually play as Herbivores, since everyone will be able to pick carnivores and still expect to actually find herbivores to prey upon.

We do instead need incentive for more people to play herbivores by making the game harder for carnivores and easier for them. And while your suggestion probably is going to help some Herbivore players due to pack protection by AI, it is overwhelmingly going to favour carnivores which will now have an overabundant food source and will no longer have a need to cannibalise or prey on other carnivores. And the one thing that has kept carnivores even a little in check so far is that their huge player base was forced to kill each other for food. Your suggestion is however just going to create literal carnivore heaven.

[low canopy]

deino spam is unreal though, lines of adult deinos on river banks somehow able to sustain themselves, thats too much

[worn pumice]

^^^^

its due to the fish imo

ive been able to survive hours just on fish as an adult

[low canopy]

i dont care what it is, but we were told deino is a hard grow, and yet its like growin a stego in a bush

[worn pumice]

the fish spawns r weird they spawn a lot in specific areas but not anywhere else

deino isnt at all hard to grow

the only thing u have to worry about is cannibalism

[covert pagoda]

You see, fish too have breeding grounds. And Deino just takes time. As long as you stick to deep water, you're going to be so very fine. And that is why I am for cannibalism btw.

[worn pumice]

no thats not the point the issue is the fish spawns r not balanced whatsoever

u'll have 75-80% of the AI on a server being fish thats why theres so little dryos

and the fish that do spawn spawn a lot in specific areas which makes the afk growing deino even easier

[covert pagoda]

I'm personally against any AI dinosaurs whatsoever. And I do not see fish spawning in particular breeding areas more often than anywhere else as an issue either. What makes those issues to you ?

[worn pumice]

u have massive empty rivers with barley anything but then one waterfall has 11 fish

how is that not an issue lol

it just promotes afk gameplay

[covert pagoda]

It's not an issue because it is realistic. And I do like some realism.

[steep warren]

I think it would at least be good for a group of around 3 to 5 herbs migrate and even if they never add that the diet system will make players in herds migrate.

[worn pumice]

no thats not realistic its a bad game choice which i doubt they made intentionally

u need to make players spread out more not clump together in specific areas

[steep warren]

no but i agree with happylion because deino players will just afk grow there and there would be no other fish in the area.

[low canopy]

but does it not help people spread out? like i know for a fact that there is a bunch of elite fish on that river north west beyond the waterfall since peeps dont go there

[worn pumice]

they need to balance fish spawns to spread them out somewhat evenly thru the map

[covert pagoda]

Why isn't it realistic though ? Almost all sweet water and Hybrid fish we know today have designated breeding areas. That is why Salmon Migrate Up stream during mating season to find the areas they were born in. Their predominant Predators, bears, then congregate to the waterfalls they know the Salmon to migrate through to prey on them. This is a seasonal event that happens in north america which you can google if you don't believe me.

As such, I'm fairly confident the devs tried to emulate this situation here.

[worn pumice]

theres no reason why u can go miles down a river and see maybe 1 fish max and then hit a waterfall and theres 9

[steep warren]

With the new diet system the deino will prob have to eat diffrent type of fish.

[low canopy]

but what if they are? The fish at commonly used places just get eaten whilst the remote areas keep stacking more and more

[worn pumice]

that brings me to the other point

that almost all of the AI on a server is fish

a dev has already said their working on changing that so thats good

[covert pagoda]

I think it should be that way. I'm entirely against the presence of AI dinosaurs as that removes the necessity for players to pick herbivores.

Changing this to include more AI dinosaurs is bad, not good.

[worn pumice]

just gonna say this now bringing up realism in a game with dinosaurs humans and monsters doesnt make sense

[covert pagoda]

It takes away from the game by watering down the main driving factor for the game, which is an almost entirely player run ecosystem.

[limber hull]

nerf deino alt attack spam, buff deino environments.

[worn pumice]

alt attack should be slower then regular bite

[limber hull]

i entirely agree on this point.

[low canopy]

i'm more than a little nervous about this whole "ai based ecosystem" they seem to be going for, like instead of worrying about starvation and you know... dying, the greatest worry you'll have is "oh do i get my diet taken care off, would be bad if i missed x!"

[mental marlin]

seeing the words buff and deino in the same sentence makes me want to throw up

[limber hull]

the best AI is fish AI imo.

[worn pumice]

we dont need more AI we need AI to actually be balanced and not have one species dominating the other

[covert pagoda]

Exactly ! The only AI should be fish, and birds. All Dinosaurs should be players

[limber hull]

entirely correct, but im afraid we cant change their plans

[covert pagoda]

(birds at most)

[worn pumice]

which a dev said their working on

[limber hull]

they're already working on shit like utah and teno AI

which is a massive shame imho

[covert pagoda]

Indeed.

[limber hull]

birds, fish, so on

[covert pagoda]

Worst decision ever.

[limber hull]

little lizards, maybe crabs

[mental marlin]

why tho? its not the ai is replacing players

[limber hull]

these are all great AI options

[mental marlin]

its just there along with players

[limber hull]

it is? Literally, the AI is taking player roles

fish is different

its a specialised foodsource that is designed as food, fullstop

[covert pagoda]

That is functionally the same. And it is degrading on some level to take a role that is fullfilled by AI.

[mental marlin]

its not like ai tenos existing is preventing you from playing teno

[limber hull]

entirely agreed. why play utah when your utah allies will be nothing but mindless machines?

there goes utah player packs and utah interaction

[steep warren]

If there is more AI then players on the map at a time its a problem, But i doubt thats ever going to happen. There should be some AI not too much I dont agree with no dino AI but i 100% agree with crabs, frogs, snakes, ect.

[mental marlin]

the irony is i bet the ai utahs will be more useful then 80% of utah players ive seen

[worn pumice]

well AI has spawn nodes so when the amount of AI says 200 there isnt actually 200 Active AI atm

[mental marlin]

i have seen utahs missing pounces on stegos that were afk

[limber hull]

crabs, snakes, frogs and fish are AMAZING AI, because their AIs dont need all these complex behaviours, and they exist to sustain the smaller part of the ecosystem, while big bois like deinos still need massive foodsources that are animal players

[low canopy]

the worst part about AI run ecosystem is that it makes PVP Optional, i hate that

[covert pagoda]

It is however discouraging me. Why should I play a Teno if there is literally no reason for me to do so since there will be enough AI tenos to allow me as a carnivore to fullfill all my dietary needs anyways ? If anything, there should be a series of systems that highly encourages people to play herbivores and makes the game easier for them, while making the game extremely hard for carnivores.

[limber hull]

absolutely, i despise that fact

[mental marlin]

see now that is a very good point

[steep warren]

ok, at that point its sad to watch XD

[mental marlin]

indeed it was lmao

[worn pumice]

no reason to rly debate about this anyways since the devs r gonna add it in

already working on teno and utah AI

[covert pagoda]

👍

[mental marlin]

good point

[worn pumice]

i hope AI is somewhat smart so an AI utah doesnt see a baby hiding in a bush 20 miles away and bull rushes it to kill it

[mental marlin]

happylion is correct as well , its gonna happen wether we like it or not

[limber hull]

thats whats really upsetting to me. They had such a unique idea of PvP requirements for food and now its going to boil down to... well, PvE over PvP

its such a lame change

[covert pagoda]

Well, maybe they change their mind if they're presented with any working alternative ? I can't imagine that they really want Dinosaur AI. It looks more like they are working on it since it is the most straight forward way to add more herbivores.

[worn pumice]

i mean their literally adding it what more can we do lol

[steep warren]

We really cant do much to stop what the devs are going to do but from there work on evrima i hope its going to go really well.

[worn pumice]

as long as the AI is good i wont rly be that upset

[urban flax]

We do need dinosaurs AI to have a working ecosystem though

[limber hull]

maybe they should, idk, make most herbivores worth playing. Dryo and hypsi are literally worse than any other creature, and the stego is just a boring RMB simulator. Teno is good, no complaints there

[covert pagoda]

Another good point: AI will by necessity not operate on the same sensory restrictions players do. Ever played a shooter against bots that give headshots through foilage that should entirely restrict their view but somehow just doesn't ?

[limber hull]

AI wont be good enough to form a pack with players, and thats what upsets me

it stabs player interaction in the heart

[covert pagoda]

We don't. We need to discourage carnivore and encourage Herbivore play.

[steep warren]

With pachy and the upcoming herbs I think alot of ppl are going to start playing herbs agian.

[urban flax]

That will never work

[limber hull]

they need to patch the existing herbs

[covert pagoda]

Why ?

[mental marlin]

deinosuchus being so busted and basically unkillable to anything but other deinosuchus sure doesnt make anyone want to spend the exact same time growing a stego

why bother when deino can do what stego does better

[worn pumice]

well tbf carnis will always be picked more no matter what u do its just how it is

[covert pagoda]

Why ?

[urban flax]

I'm gonna repeat one more time, you can't have people play 75% herbivore, which is the strict minimum for a working ecosystem

[barren zephyr]

I mean once the roster is more filled, there will be less deinos hopefully

[worn pumice]

its just how it is a lot of players wanna be the killer

cant rly change too much

what u can do is encourage herbi gameplay

[urban flax]

Humans prefer playing carnivores. Even if there are exceptions, that's how we are. We are hunters in heart.

[covert pagoda]

Why can't you ? There are tons of ways you could encourage people to play Herbivores:
-Make it literally impossible for them to starve by allowing them to graze and eat pretty much everything- This is actually being implemented.
-Give them a huge bonus on all the persistent systems like the Elder and the Perk system
-Make them grow at atleast 200% speed of comparably sized carnivores.
-Make their eggs have less food requirement, grow faster and hatch stronger when nesting comes around
-Maybe -and this goes against my wish for immersion- even allow them to be able to communicate cross species.(edited)
-Or perhaps make it so that you need to earn points to unlock carnivore play. Something similar was part of the roadmap once, wasn't it ?

[mental marlin]

deino needs some changes , the collision on it is awful and idc what anybody says , it should not be anywhere near as strong on land as it is rn

[steep warren]

When people play the isle alot of people want the rush of hunting for your own food and apart from adding diet stuff and more herbs theres not much more they can do.

[mental marlin]

ridiculous that a beached croc can fight off entire packs of carnos and utahs without even being worried

[barren zephyr]

Diets will help the deino and stego control

[worn pumice]

honestly a lot of those would destroy balance

especially the 200% growth thing

[urban flax]

So bloat the herbivores with buffs to make carnivores unviable ? That seems like a really fun solution

[limber hull]

exactly. Stego is boring, dryo is shallow and hypsi is literally unfinished

[mental marlin]

fucking deino has a easier time fighting on land then bloody stego does , its so stupid

[worn pumice]

^

thats a pretty big issue honestly

[mental marlin]

absolutely it is

[valid elk]

Maybe I was too aggressive with my thoughts, what do you guys think?

[worn pumice]

it also doesnt help that deinos have no collision so u can just spam alt bite and kill stego that way

[mental marlin]

^^^^

[worn pumice]

also i already made a post and someone else did as well stegos and deinos hitboxes r strange

stegos head hitbox seems a bit too large and deinos hitboxes r wonky in general

[haughty forge]

I don't get why having herbies ai would discourage people to play them...

[mental marlin]

it really is frustrating that it seems that they are already moving on to update 4 when 3 still needs a ton of work

[valid elk]

No one agree?

[barren zephyr]

Herbis can literally just eat grass all day and be fine, no point to not play them when you have infinite food

[limber hull]

because carnivore is so much easier now. Herbivore is PvE, carnivore is PvP. Now carnivore is PvE with AI, so why play herbi?

[covert pagoda]

Well, it will be for me and other Carnivore players who stick to it, and it will create a viable ecosystem. And that is fun to me at least. There are also other ways to encourage more Herbivores, like giving them more acces to socializing and communication than carnivores. I outlined these options in this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/SurviveTheIsle/comments/ntznfg/solving_a_couple_issues_with_one_easy_fix/

[worn pumice]

i rly wish they would stop adding thing and just focus on fixing what we have yk what im sayin

[glossy matrix]

they also wanna give Hypsi growth

which will make it even shitter

[urban flax]

Still not enough to get 75% players to play herbivores. And would break gameplay

[haughty forge]

So you say ... you play herbi just because you wanna ne good for carnivore???

[urban flax]

You can make carnivore unenjoyable, but that's not how you make a game

[barren zephyr]

@radiant dagger first off there not adding it. Also it would literally just be giga

[safe galleon]

or acro

[urban flax]

Not a good one at least

[mental marlin]

it is true that carnivores are just more engaging , you have to kill to stay alive (except for deino cuz that thing bad) and you always the attacker for the most part

[worn pumice]

buffing herbis to encourage play with them isnt a good idea

[steep warren]

I placed an idea in general feedback if you want to go check it out that may make hypsi bit more fun to play but not by much. Its the one with the tree hole idea or whatever you want to call it.

[covert pagoda]

How can you know that before it is ever implemented ? And I honestly don't see how this will break gameplay. It sounds more like it has the potential to make gameplay by increasing hebivore and decreasing carnivore player count.

[glossy matrix]

we already have two big identical fucking carcharodontosaurids

we dont need a third

[worn pumice]

in legacy u could mix herd with anyone u wanted and carnis still were more dominant anyways

[limber hull]

legit, add more critter animals. Like how fish are critters in the water, add critters like lizards, crabs, frogs, birds, etc. Such a better solution and fills the land with life without sacrificing the PvP emphasis.

[barren zephyr]

I know

[urban flax]

Because I know human beings, and I know what the concept of fun is. You'd need to make herbivores stupidly OP compared to carnivores to have a majority of people play them.

[covert pagoda]

Indeed.

[barren zephyr]

Acro and giga are the same thing just different stats

[valid elk]

Hey, guys?

[steep warren]

i cant tell u how much i agree.

[mental marlin]

legacy herbies were pretty bad with a few expections

[glossy matrix]

goats for bigger stuff

[worn pumice]

yea thats tru as well

[urban flax]

Having an ecosystem made only of critters is boring

[mental marlin]

and carnivores were actually easier to grow cuz the game spoonfed you so why bother

[worn pumice]

coughs trike coughs

[covert pagoda]

Well, let's go ahead then.

[limber hull]

thats why we have... other players

[glossy matrix]

Thats where the players come in

[mental marlin]

poor trike , it deserved better :(

[barren zephyr]

No

[valid elk]

Guys!

[urban flax]

Other players will never make up an ecosystem

[worn pumice]

which dev thought rex facetanking a trike was ok lmao

[covert pagoda]

Well, let's go ahead then.

[barren zephyr]

I would just say remove acro

[glossy matrix]

remove acro, yes

[steep warren]

I agree that it would be really boring with only lil animals so im glad there also doing utah AI and teno AI.

[mental marlin]

the same ones that thought a landcroc should beat stego :p

[covert pagoda]

I agree, I accidentally answered the wrong person.

[limber hull]

critters are also SO MUCH easier to program in AI. They dont have unique abilities, they run away from the dino and act as food. Much like how fish currently do

[worn pumice]

kinda sad how on land the deino has a 50/50 with stego

[urban flax]

And that's what makes them boring

[mental marlin]

yep

and thats being generous

[limber hull]

they dont satiate the dino permanently, but they act as little boosts. You still need PvP to survive

[barren zephyr]

Lol

[limber hull]

They're like the entree and other players are the main course

[covert pagoda]

How does it feel to always be that correct, never wrong, and make such good and constructive criticism ?

[covert pagoda]

Exactly

[valid elk]

Anyone wanna talk about my thoughts?

[glossy matrix]

Yeah dude I also love going up to another Dryo and spending 5 minutes seeing if its an AI or a stupid player

[covert pagoda]

Or rather, that's how it should be. But some people really want the PVP focus to go away it seems. Here is to buying our own server and tweak it to make AI dinos go away and give advantages to herbivores.

[urban flax]

I agree that not being able to differentiate AI of your own species from players is a problem, and I hope it will be adressed in the future, when most playables have their AI counterparts

[valid elk]

No?

[worn pumice]

see the issue currently is that all u can do is pvp

[limber hull]

i agree with that, if they do intend to go through

i like the pvp

[worn pumice]

it feels like a growth timer till ur adult so u can play a death match

becuz theres nothing else to do except fight other things currently

[mental marlin]

pretty much

[steep warren]

I had an idea of little critters a while back that i found if you guys want to hear about it.

[odd sedge]

Ai shouldn't act like players

Ai should act like animals

[covert pagoda]

You could raise babies of your own species. That's what I'm mainly doing.

[worn pumice]

hopefully diets and nesting alleviates that's issue

[glossy matrix]

AI should have distinct patterning from players

So you can tell the difference

[worn pumice]

at the end of the day all ur doing is growing to adult and sitting or moving around with no goal except waiting to be attacked and fight or go attack something else and fight

[glossy matrix]

Maybe they could even have a "painted-on" mark
like maybe Apollo does it with dinosaurs that aren't as developed as the others

[covert pagoda]

Or protect babies and help them reach adulthood.

[worn pumice]

that doesnt add much

[valid elk]

AI have two different behavior sets. First is animal, where they act natural and scamper off or attack. Second is player, where they are more friendly and do things players do (dancing, friendly calling, etc etc etc)

[worn pumice]

its still just a giant dm

[barren zephyr]

No, diets, perks, nesting, elders and more will all give a gameplay loop

[worn pumice]

yea thats what i said above

[limber hull]

they have to add strains, elders, perks or ANYTHING to encourage you to playing a primarily AI-dominated species

[barren zephyr]

Oh lol

[worn pumice]

[limber hull]

i love raptor but i know for a fact im going to play it less when the utah AI comes out

[worn pumice]

thats the wrong emoji

lol

[sonic mural]

@radiant dagger I don’t think there would really be any use for it tbh

[glossy matrix]

I think strains should be AI only that targets large gatherings of dinosaurs but I don't think thats gonna happen

[worn pumice]

lets not add chara

[valid elk]

Anyone wanna discuss my thoughts?

[worn pumice]

its literally giga but different skin

[mental marlin]

more utah ai = more utahs for me to kill as a utah

[glossy matrix]

If they were AI it'd make the horror part of the game richer imo

[covert pagoda]

Same here. And I do hope the Devs will cahnge their opinion on this again, or only make AI Carnivores spawn when there is absolutely no player carnivores whatsoever around.

[glossy matrix]

yeah lol

[worn pumice]

adding chara would just be a waste of 7k

[torn thistle]

As far as we're aware, Dany, Carcharo will still just be an alt skin for Giga, like it was gonna be in the old days (unless you wanna count when Acro was gonna be Bleeder Apex with Giga / Carcharo as alt skins)

[limber hull]

that's... not a bad idea

[worn pumice]

this is something that would be neat

[glossy matrix]

Acro should also be a skin

[worn pumice]

lol

[torn thistle]

I mean Giga eventually became it's own thing, but eh

[steep warren]

I had an idea about little critters like frogs crabs and more if yall wana hear about them but it will prob get removed because its already in general feedback.

[worn pumice]

honestly how do we change acro and giga so that their different?

[mental marlin]

just make up a gimmick and there ya go

[glossy matrix]

They made acro obese but now that just makes it Rex Lite

[covert pagoda]

If AI becomes a thing, it should be an absolute last resort to prevent server ecosystems from collapsing. We need to incentivize Herbivore play, not replace it with bots.

[limber hull]

god FORBID when human comes out

no one will play a dino again

ARK 2

[covert pagoda]

Preach it

[worn pumice]

u can just join a dino only server

or a human only server

fatcro*

[sonic mural]

Indeed

[worn pumice]

acro kinda needs its own thing lol

rn it looks like pocket edition rex

too beefy

[sonic mural]

Lmao true

[steep warren]

I had an idea about little critters like frogs crabs and more if yall wana hear about them but it will prob get removed because its already in general feedback.

[steep warren]

agreed XD

[glossy matrix]

acro needs to be removed

[worn pumice]

lmao

[sonic mural]

Juvi food should be crabs and frogs as ai

[glossy matrix]

add a megaraptoran instead

[limber hull]

agreed

[worn pumice]

honestly that doesnt even sound that bad anymore

[valid elk]

Anyone disagree/agree with my thoughts?

I would like differing opinions, if anyone has any.

[worn pumice]

kinda feel bad u got ignored for like 15 minutes lmao

anyways yea i agree

[torn thistle]

Well there was a fictionalized Megaraptor planned in the old days, but then Allosaurus

[worn pumice]

hopefully other dino models go in that type of direction in general

[valid elk]

It's alright, seemed like an important topic.

[worn pumice]

shant theri deino

these r good remodels

they're buff ups from old models w/o being over ridiculous

[glossy matrix]

Theri is meh

[worn pumice]

glad austro is being redeisgned as well

[glossy matrix]

I still prefer the old design

[valid elk]

I felt like a lot of the community was so against the Austroraptor that it aort of shifted back to normal looking dinosaurs.

[glossy matrix]

but I like shant better than the OG

[steep warren]

I agree that crabs and frogs ect should be juvie and baby food and since no one is answering me im going to just place the idea from a few months ago.

[worn pumice]

[glossy matrix]

Shame that Acro, Alberto and Anky couldnt have come after Austro

[worn pumice]

anky

[valid elk]

I mean, if you look at Austroraptor, then look at Baryonyx, you can tell soemthing shifted because they went "Oh. No one liked that."

[steep warren]

Ok so ive been seeing alot of people talking about little AI like frogs and crabs and for the past few days ive been thinking and reading about other little AI, First the Frog, this creature will spawn around lakes and in the swamps, when they see a hunter they would jump into the water to avoid being killed, second the Crab, this AI would spawn at the sea, I think they would have these sand tunnels to small for any dino to get into, they would cover themselves in sand to blend in but they would still be visable,going of the idea of @gloomy ivy , I think the crabs would hang around those bodys for a source of food,number 3, I think something like a mouse that spawns in the burrows of dryos, minmis, ect, the small carnivores that would be able to get into the burrows could be able to eat the mouse, they would also spawn near the burrows on the outside. number 4 and last a flying lizard, this lil guy will spawn at the base of trees and be able to climb up the trees, randomly or if they see danger they will glide to another tree, this would be great food for Herreras in my opinion, 1 if u like frog, 2 for crab, 3 for mouse and 4 for lizard, this is only my opinion might not be the greatest.

[worn pumice]

text wall

crabs would be neat honestly

[steep warren]

I cant tell u how much i want them to make anky good and have bonebreak

pretty sure there going to have bonebreak tho

[worn pumice]

anky better have armor and massive fracture dmg

[valid elk]

I felt like my opinion was a bit aggressive, but I think I summed up my thoughts and the communities thoughts in one shot.

[worn pumice]

honestly just post something in feedback and hope for the best lol sometimes u can make great suggestions and ppl r like L2P or n o

[steep warren]

Anky prob one of my fav dinos, All i really want is bonebreak, armor and him to be a really tanky boi.

big slow tank that i can just chill as,

[glossy matrix]

JW anky with the realistic smaller size

I think that could be balanced

[steep warren]

agreed

the thing with anky is that hes slow but if u come to close he will break ur leg if ur not care, then he can catch up to u and kill u.

that kinda how i think anky game play would be

[desert tendon]

idk why people are only going to play humans when they come out. Tbh its kinda dumb. If you want to play a human game with guns and stuff there are most likely much more polished games that are much better for that. Humans are most likely going to get smacked by almost every single creature on the roster

im not saying humans are going to be a bad thing

[valid elk]

Honestly, I agreed with Pesky's thoughts on Ankylosaurus. You could fictionalize it, but...like...I feel like the rhino Anky was too much.

[desert tendon]

i am interested in playing them, but i feel like if you are basically just gonna make a shooter out of them its kinda stupid

[glossy matrix]

because they dont start as a defenseless infant

Juveniles should be weaker than adults, definitely, but they should have traits unique to them that help them survive

[valid elk]

Human guns will be rare and ammo even more so. And you gotta deal with Tribals.

[urban flax]

Or even better
Play tribal

[glossy matrix]

play tribal and enslave a hyper rex

[steep warren]

tribals and mercs will prob have lots of mini wars that dinos will just jump into also

[valid elk]

You also have to repair and clean guns, deal with gravity, wind, recoil, loud as Hell gunshots that will ring out for miles, etc etc etc etc.

[swift dew]

@radiant dagger Carchar is literally giga but a little smaller, we already have a problem with giga and acro being too similar, we do not need a third large carcharodontosaurid

[desert tendon]

hot take but i think people are gonna get bored of humans. they are going to be killed extremely easily by almost any creature, and they dont exactly have amazing power. Also the fact that they dont grow doesnt really give you an endgame and it makes the experience feel lack luster and less of an accomplishment

[steep warren]

tribals will be fun to play i think

[valid elk]

Agreed.

[urban flax]

Well you got loot, crafting (for tribals) probably missions... I think it's gonna be engaging

And nobody said humans would get wrecked by everything... balance is a thing

[glossy matrix]

them lacking growth makes them fun to play

[low canopy]

or the other way around where human spammage due to lack of growth is broken, just zerg dinos with nothing but your "biteforce"

[steep warren]

If the devs do a good job on humans I think ppl will enjoy them and they have been working really long on humans so i have hope.

[swift dew]

well humans are going to be more about hiding since they can't really kill anything without ringing the dinner bell to half of the island, and I know alot of people like a sneaky playstyle

also horror

[steep warren]

Would be nice to see both mercs and tribal set up traps

i dont know if any of them are.

[valid elk]

Plus, I think it'd be fun to fight Utahraptors with a knife, like Oscar in the JP game.

[desert tendon]

most likely there will be a lot of rage quits from human players because they will (probably) get ganked by pretty much anything

[swift dew]

hopefully, but only traps that weaken you. I dont want like net traps that just imobilize you and its essentially a death sentence

[desert tendon]

yeah that will be stupid

[glossy matrix]

PCE net gun when

[steep warren]

Insta kill traps would just make it so stupid to play a dino trying to hunt ppl

[desert tendon]

if a human gets pinned by a utah your basically just instantly dead. Also if the mission thing is going to be a reality, then death will most likely reset your progress and you will have to work for it again

[urban flax]

Well I can see traps that insta-kill something smaller than a dryo

[steep warren]

ya

[desert tendon]

yeah traps that could kill things like hypsi's and tacos would be ok i guess

it would still suck but whatever

[glossy matrix]

I dont see why you'd do that tho

unless humans gotta eat

[steep warren]

would be cool if troodon,hypsi and dryo can crawl in the vents

[urban flax]

Humans need to be able to kill things too

I know most people here just want humans to be complete garbage, but that's not really an enjoyable gameplay

[desert tendon]

i know

[steep warren]

damn trodoons in vents would be cool because they would just pop out of no where

[desert tendon]

guns and taming and crafting are most likely more than enough to get kills

[desert tendon]

yeah that would be neat

[urban flax]

Not so sure about this
Guns can only serve so much against dinos in the middle of a jungle

[glossy matrix]

Humans should be both weak and really dangerous

[urban flax]

And taming will probably be hard

[desert tendon]

agreed

[glossy matrix]

Like, a lot of dinos should 1shot them

but you gotta be careful

[steep warren]

i can already picture 6 troodons in vents. Would be cool if in vents there calls echo.

[glossy matrix]

if they have a gun they can kill you

[swift dew]

I want a trap that weakens you, such as a tripwire with a dart that fires with troodon venom that they managed to collect and it acts like troodon venom. same thing for dilo venom except hallucinations

[desert tendon]

troodons would be a really cool human counter. Where they wouldnt one shot them with their bite, but the venom would be devastating. Another cool thing troodons could do with humans is use their intelligence to disable traps and stuff

they could also lure humans in with calls that sound like small easy kills like a taco

and swarm them

[steep warren]

that would be cool

[desert tendon]

my problem with humans is that there should never be more humans than dinosaurs on a server

i feel like humans should be rare sights

[steep warren]

if theres more ppl then dinos its a problem

[desert tendon]

but there is really no way you can make that happen

[swift dew]

humans wont be bad, but you have to play very smart in order to actually not die

[desert tendon]

troodon should be the ultimate human slayer

[urban flax]

AI

[desert tendon]

i did really like the idea of it venting

as a troodon

[valid elk]

Anyone have a differing opinion about the design thing I talked about?

[desert tendon]

just say it should have arm feathers and a feathered tail fan and we golden

[swift dew]

I all I had seen is ✅ and so probably not yet

[valid elk]

I assume they will keep that.

[desert tendon]

i would hope

[steep warren]

troodons venting would be so cool because it would add alot of the horror to the game of hearing the echoed calls and the pitter patter of there feet along the vents, then to have them jump out at u.

[desert tendon]

i kinda see what they were going for in the redesign. it was executed poorly but they have something goin there

[valid elk]

It's kinda weird...but I did sum up most of the communities thoughts on the designs. Because holy shite that Deinocheirus is a God tier design.

[desert tendon]

and the fact that troodons could disable traps and rip up coms and stuff idk

[steep warren]

if the troodons could be able to use the traps to lure a carno in and have it get hit my the dart

[valid elk]

You can tell it is Deinocheirus, but it has its Isle flair.

[desert tendon]

if a troodon could interfere with like wires and stuff in bases that would be really cool. like it could disable the lights by ripping up the cables and stuff

[steep warren]

yes

[desert tendon]

basically it should just be the impostor from mong sus

lmao

[steep warren]

going and venting and turning of lights lmao

[desert tendon]

lol

maybe it would even be able to close doors

and open them

[steep warren]

sneak in the back of trucks

[sonic mural]

@radiant swift lmao how (utahs are actually huge tbh)

[steep warren]

go for a ride XD

[desert tendon]

lol

[steep warren]

that would be one way to get in

[desert tendon]

imagine being a human and getting utterly swarmed by like 20 compy's

that would be like the saltiest death ever

[valid elk]

I actually want the game to screw that JP moment. Fuck door handles, just bash through that shit with your 500 kilo raptor.

[desert tendon]

lol

[steep warren]

if a utar blended in with somthing in the back off truck it could get in un discoverded

[desert tendon]

every creature would have some way of opening the door

though most likely all of them would involve breaking it

[steep warren]

teno could kick down door with back legs

[desert tendon]

troodon would silently push it open

which is more of a threat

[radiant swift]

@sonic mural I didn't come here to discuss any ones opinion. I gave my feedback, you're obviously looking for an argument.

[valid elk]

Uh

[steep warren]

@radiant swift hes stating his point.

[desert tendon]

that aint no argument brah

[sonic mural]

I’m just asking why u think it’s op???

[steep warren]

u said somthing he came to give his feedback, thats pretty much the point of general feedback dis

[low canopy]

only thing i'd change about utah is either increase hunger drastically or increase growth time, the damn thing has to eat properly like once to reach full adult

[desert tendon]

utah is frankly very large. Also next time you call something OP, say how its OP

[valid elk]

Wanna point out Utahraptors are like, 6 feet tall and way bulkier than they are in The Isle

[sonic mural]

^

[radiant dagger]

And u prefer insert different predator type i think?

[desert tendon]

yeah utahs irl are like the size of a grizzly bear

[valid elk]

The Isle Utahraptors are super weak...a lot of the animals Isle are really weak.

[swift dew]

what?

[steep warren]

ohhhhhh if juvie utars could go in the vents and pounce humans

that would be awesome to see

[desert tendon]

Why are people so mad about dryo burrowing btw. Its not like they are taking away it's turn radius and juke potential. Its only adding an ability not taking anything

[steep warren]

dryo is nothing without its burrowing skills, no one would play it without

[swift dew]

yeah we would

[desert tendon]

also when people complain about dryo being to large for burrows, lest not forget minmi is like twice as heavy as it

[low canopy]

more is more sometimes

[swift dew]

lmao all the dryo mains want dryo to be the agility king, not a burrower

[valid elk]

Wanna point out I will play Compy just to freak Mercs out.

[urban flax]

I hard disagreed with dryo burrowing at first, when I thought people were suggesting it just because it had it in legacy

[steep warren]

u have a point lmao

[valid elk]

I will play anything and everything. I do not care.

[steep warren]

same

[desert tendon]

Burrowing isnt taking away its agility

burrowing is just adding an interesting mechanic to a frankly uninteresting dino

[swift dew]

but its dumb, dryo doesn't NEED burrows. there is a big difference between giving something because you can, and giving it something because it needs it to not be unviable

[desert tendon]

As a dryo, you can run, drink, eat, and... nothing else

[steep warren]

with the new burrowing they should add caves that u could burrow into

[swift dew]

and dryo really isnt uninteresting at least to me and to alot of people, you arent going to like the playstyle of every dino

[steep warren]

so u saying u dont want dryo to be able to burrow?

[desert tendon]

I dont think they are adding it to make it more viable. I think they are adding it because the vast majority of people who are playing dryo are pretty bored with it and want something more to do

[swift dew]

yes, It should be able to enter burrows, and expand burrows. but not create its own

[steep warren]

I fully think dryo should be able to 1. make its burrows and two raise lil dryos in there

[valid elk]

Interesting idea. Like a warthog?

[desert tendon]

at that point though, why not. If its going to be confided to a burrow because it stole it and is living in it, isnt that counter intuitive if you want to be the agility king

[steep warren]

i made a suggestion about burrowing a while back if u guys wana hear it

[desert tendon]

yassss

[desert tendon]

same

[steep warren]

il post mine hear and im wana hear yours too

[swift dew]

nope, because everything small enough should be able to enter a burrow, and since dryo is bigger than half the actual burrowers it should be able to expand a burrow from the tiny animals like homa and taco that make them

[desert tendon]

bet

lemme see if i can find it lmao

[steep warren]

i found mine

[swift dew]

say a taco makes a burrow that is taco sized, and dryo comes along and is 4 times bigger and is able to enter its burrow (like everything small enough should be able to) since dryo will now be in that cramped burrow, it should be able to expand it

a little

[desert tendon]

me too

[steep warren]

This is the idea i had a while back XD u show me mine when u ready I had some ideas for the burrowing system that I hope you will all like. So the first idea is if you burrow next to a tree you have like a 50% chance of getting the trees roots in your burrow, the roots would have a random amount of moss/mushrooms that herbs will be able to eat, the roots would spawn with 3 to 7 moss/mushrooms depending if you burrowed next to a big tree or a lil tree. The next idea is if you burrow next to water or you tunnel close to it the roof of the burrow would start to drip with water, at first it would be a good thing because you now have water in your burrow, but over time the puddle in ur burrow would grow then it would start being a problem, then you would ether have to tunnel away or abandon that burrow and make a new one. I didn't go into much detail for these two things but I completely understand if u don't like it. If u do like these ideas put number 1 for roots and number 2 for water.

[desert tendon]

even if it is a burrow stealer and expander, its still confided to that space because it is its den. If you want to be the agility king and not a burrower, this is practically the exact opposite of what you want. Burrow stealing has the same problems that you keep bringing up and i dont understand why you are ok with stealing but not burrowing

[desert tendon]

facts

here is mine

Please allow Dryo to make its own burrows. The dinosaur is dreadfully boring and can basically only eat and drink. It has almost no combat potential, and even when you have a herd of dryos (unlikely) its still boring because there is nothing to do or protect. Even if dryo will be able to steal burrows, that is an extremly situational niche that wont even be a thing until a burrowing species arrives into the game. Dont get me wrong, the sidestep is an extremly useful ability and can be great in many circumstances. However, the ability is uninteresting and not flashy at all. Being able to burrow and sidestep would be most desirable, and still would not be overpowered. This would make dryo much more frequently played, and over all make the gameplay much more interesting for them. (Edit: If dryo will be able to burrow and sidestep, the way you could burrow is by holding alt and RMB and if you want to sidestep you could just click RMB) (Edit #2: Dryo Burrowing would also be great for when diets come out, as it would be the only creature able to eat roots and tubers. Again adding a unique and interesting aspect to the dryo)

@steep warren we arent so different you and I

[steep warren]

XD yes

I like the idea of being able to have dodge and burrow rn dodge is really not used at all.

[desert tendon]

my post had like 20 💯 s 5 s and 10 . And only 2 downvotes

[covert pagoda]

Hot take: The ability to disable humans for private serves is one of the best decisions they ever made.

[desert tendon]

holy shit yes

agreed

[swift dew]

but the dinosaur isnt dreadfully boring to a variety of players, actually ALOT of people find dryo fun to just go around pecking babies and juking carnos into the stratosfere

[desert tendon]

I mean this dryo burrowing argument doesnt really matter anymore seeing as how dryo burrows are confirmed so

[steep warren]

agreed

[left nacelle]

I think dryo could be given a better ability than burrowing. It's pretty large to be making burrows. Plus other animals will also be making burrows, so giving dryo burrows wouldn't even make it very unique

[desert tendon]

minmi is like twice as heavy as a dryo so the large excuse isnt really valid anymore

[left nacelle]

Are they? I don't think they are

[steep warren]

i had an idea for hyspsi, herra and petra gameplay if u wana hear

[desert tendon]

ooo

[steep warren]

lol i posted it yesterday XD

[swift dew]

filipe confirmed them again, its honestly quite dumb if you ask me

[desert tendon]

did you read my hypsi suggestions in balance feedback?

[steep warren]

not yet let me see

[left nacelle]

Really? That is dumb

[desert tendon]

yeah i asked filipe and he said yes

[covert pagoda]

Humans are just too much of an outside context Issue. They don't fit in with the dinosaurs at all, since they do not provide enough food to make hunting them worthwhile for most creatures, while also being potentially too dangerous to bother with engaging them otherwise. I can totally see humans just being a petty annoyance that you easily dispatch without gaining anything, or which kills you from the safety of a great distance without you being able to fight back.

[desert tendon]

facts

[left nacelle]

I mean like visual size, not weight (even tho I know weight is size)

[desert tendon]

i guess

but still

its confirmed so

[steep warren]

k i found my suggestion for hypsi and herra and petra if yall wana hera

[desert tendon]

@steep warren what did you think of the hypsi suggestions

[desert tendon]

yes

[steep warren]

its good

[swift dew]

still subject to change so

[steep warren]

i really liked it

heres mine XD

Ok i have another idea that will help hypsi, petras and herras. I think there should those holes in the trees. I have no idea what there called but there just those holes that you can find birds and owls in. We already know that hypsi and herra are going to be able to climb trees and I think i have a good place for them to nest a lil. The hypsi would be able to not only hide in these holes but also make nests and it would be safe from everything on the land. In land petras could fly in and make a nest or fly in and kill hypsis making a nest. Herras would be able to poke there head inside small holes and grab anything dead or kill anything bu putting his head there, or if the hole is big an adult herra could make a nest there. Baby herras would be able to help adults and for once the babys would be good XD the adult could tell the baby herra to go in a hole that the adult cant fit into and kill anything that it finds. ( picture this owl as a hypsi, petra or herra making its nest in this hole in the tree)

[covert pagoda]

I mean, imagine yourself just vibing with your pack at night, sitting somewhere and chatting and then you you see a flash in a kilometer's distance and suddenly BOOM ! The guy you just talked to dies from a headshot wound, and he had no way whatsoever to prevent it.

[left nacelle]

The devs have said in the past that they might add DLC skins for dinos that make them look and sound like another species. And the example they used was a carchar skin for giga, since carchar is like a carbon copy of giga

[desert tendon]

thats kinda dumb honestly

it would be way too difficult to identify stuff

[desert tendon]

also this is genius

[left nacelle]

How's that dumb? People want an animal, if the animal is too similar to another, they can save time and money by adding it as a skin. It's a win win

[steep warren]

thx 🙂

[desert tendon]

oh i thought you meant like a utah skin that makes it look like a carno

nvm thats pretty cool

[left nacelle]

No no no, I mean skins that are similar to other animals. Like a tarbo skin for rex, or a carchar skin for giga

[desert tendon]

yeah i get it

[left nacelle]

A skin system that makes you look like already existing animals would be waaay too op and would make the game pay to win

[covert pagoda]

Imagine a Carno pouncing lmfao

[left nacelle]

[fading fjord]

Dryo is boring without burrows? Is this whats going on?
I wanna see what comes next. After it gets bored inside the burrow?

[steep warren]

I really hope they add this into the game because it would be so fun to just climb in a tree and chill. or as herra to pop head in there and kill hypsi or petras XD