general-feedback-discussion

[civic sparrow]

It’s sickle claw, if I recall correctly, was mostly for latching onto things anyways

[paper oriole]

irl utah didnt pounce like the isle one does

his claw probably was used on pinned or worn out targets, but its used enough ingame right now anyway

[drifting radish]

^^

i mean like, u have a pounce that uses it what more could u want really. its got teath and claws for a reason -- not just there to look pretty

[civic sparrow]

Plus irl it didn’t constantly use the claw cause that’d risk breaking it

[drifting radish]

irl there were studies that showed it used the claw for like, climbing n stuff too, while its great for attacking wasnttttt really its main purpose

[onyx siren]

They really need to add the ability to see your length and height in addition to weight

[jade schooner]

We got tree climbing utah concept, so... nice

[drifting radish]

oh lit

[jade schooner]

(for those thinking it will drive away the uniqueness of Herrera, it's just climbing, not latching onto them)

[sonic mural]

In game It kinda does that when pouncing a dryo too

[hoary dawn]

i think they should just separate the compass from sniff altogether

put it in a menu or just part of the ui

[paper oriole]

they could probably strap a compass to the stamina circle

[hoary dawn]

yea

just for convenience

[drifting radish]

love that chiiri. one of the main reasons i dont like playing utah/dryo/hypsi -- cant see shit lol

[tepid river]

I love the small animals especially hypsi because im annoying but just, id like to see please

[drifting radish]

exactlyyyyyyyyy. would love to play em, but why bother when i cant even see over grass kekw

i actually really like the cera head thing but idk theres just so little meat on heads that i dont think it'd give much. maybe it could act more as a snack rather than a meal?

[sonic mural]

Let’s say this then if a cera bit the head off of a stego and swallowed it it would give a small amount of food but seeing how big the stego is the middle of it would give the most food

[drifting radish]

mhm! or it could strip all the meat from it and leave behind a skull like i thinkkkkkkkkk was in the Hope trailer and will be in the gore update

[sonic mural]

Yea skeletons are gonna be in the gore update

[cyan flame]

@glacial quest You can rebind the dive, though it goes for both deino and ptera if you change it.

[glacial quest]

i tried it yesterday and it didn't work. is it not the CROUCH action?

[cyan flame]

No

It's under the other setting, whatever it's called I can't recall right now, but the button is "down" I believe

[glacial quest]

alright thanks. if i can get it to work, i'll revise my post in #general-feedback

seems right, thanks for the help. asked around last time i tried figuring it out and nobody seemed to know, so after rebinding crouch didn't work i assumed it was just not available.

[paper oriole]

lmao what if tacos fighting like jackrabbits

god that would look stupid

i want it

[outer nebula]

@manic flint um no people abused the hell out of it when they first added sniffing to the game and everything and sniff and move

[jaunty quartz]

It would be nice if I could get more then 2 fps in evrima

[manic flint]

How did they abuse it?

[outer nebula]

because they would use it track players and hunt down carnivores

not to mention its pointless to give a dino whos food is literally staying still

[swift dew]

hunting as a herbi would be much much easier

[hoary dawn]

a tenonto being able to track you to the ends of the earth does sound a bit much

[manic flint]

Huh

[outer nebula]

it was awful back when shant was able to hunt you down

[manic flint]

Fair

[paper oriole]

I mean, just make it so if they want to smell tracks they still have to stop but for everything else they can smell it while moving

Ez

[limber hull]

an accurate portrayal of the utah rest sound

[paper oriole]

utah sits "BWRBBBB"

[quiet estuary]

I normally just crouch instead of sit
No noises are produced at all

Only time ofc would be when bleeding

[glacial quest]

thank you for coining the phrase "dump-truck carnos"

[limber hull]

utah really needs a lot of love. The new juvi pounce is nice, yes, but apparently that came at the cost of utah's main bleed tool as it just doesn't bleed things anymore. It can still get bodied by half the roster in a single fight, especially cannibals who randomly attack you and it, despite being one of the smaller, stealthier dinos, is so fucking loud when its trying to do anything

[paper oriole]

the bleed is probably a bug, they did say giving juvies pounce broke it last time so maybe it just broke again lol

[quiet estuary]

Utah pounce bleeds on ocassion

[limber hull]

yea, i hope it's a bug

teno fights have become so much harder without bleed

[icy lion]

its a bug, really rough one at that

totally gimps utahs

[quiet estuary]

I think the bleed only triggers when you pin something down at the moment. Which is what mainly makes me think it is a bug

[limber hull]

ah, that's at least a relief

i hate how i constantly have to go "is it really worth playing my fave dino" and have to hover over carnotaurus after i got the ever loving shit beaten out of me without a drop of blood lost on the opponent's end

every update seems to have a reason to drop utah and just join the carno swarm

[quiet estuary]

Utah is still quite effective
just gotta take it slower than usual atm

carno matchups are as broken as usual due to desync
But its winnable with numbers or terrain usage

Also with it being too loud I think that isnt much of an issue as it can use multiple objects to just heal in areas that the creatures who kill it with ease cannot reach

While it still inst something that I say should be part of the game, I dont think it should be a major thing I see people blame on their deaths as I do on ocassion

[jade schooner]

@dreamy wharf While I do agree with your point, one thing that escapes me is that:
After you're grown, what's the goal with diets? If you're fully grown, can they be useful?
It would be a neat thing tho to tie it with the elder mechanic, so, tho you're growing old, and eventually dying (hopefully peacefully for the permanent reward), maybe diets could help you avoid that dramatic power loss before your death

[paper oriole]

diets play a part in reaching elder

so after growth it will still have purpose

[dreamy wharf]

^

I'd also imagine it would tie into the comfort system

If they'll do that.

Where you'd just

[jade schooner]

That could work

[dreamy wharf]

Want to eat one thing or the other

for a perk prerequisite

or something or the other.

[wild stone]

I think growing is the challenge. I wouldn't mind if creatures got strong debuffs by failing to satisfy at least partial dietary requitements, as long as they aren't permanent. You should always have a chance to improve your character, until it becomes the animal that can reach Elder stage.

A chronically malnourished dinosaur that refuses to adhere to dietary needs should not grow into a healthy 1.0 dinosaur, and should not have access to its elder stage, until it satisfies some baseline requirement.

I don't see growth as a "stopgap" before you can play the game. Growing should be your dinosaurs primary goal. After all, achieving the elder stage and moving past it to complete your life cycle is growth.

[paper oriole]

I hope diets dont just fuck over herbivores by driving more people to the carni faction, honestly that and stopping AFKpexes is all I care about really

[wild stone]

Therefore, growing should be fun. Playing the game as a young dinosaur should be fun. Being malnourished should not end your life cycle, but should encourage you to follow your dietary path to the best of your ability.

And bringing a malnourished dinosaur back into its optimal state should be fun, too.

These are all challenges to overcome, not "punishment" for AFK growing.

Diets should be a requirement to get to the elder stage, and to have full access to the perks that you're trying to unlock for that life cycle.

[dreamy wharf]

@wise tinsel Can you please not spam emotes?

[wise tinsel]

like reacts or what bae ?😘

[dreamy wharf]

Also, Hippo

[sacred sable]

Your idea is good

[dreamy wharf]

The idea is to have growth that's actually fun.

[sacred sable]

💯

Who wouldn’t want that

[dreamy wharf]

Hippo I guess?

[sacred sable]

Hippo doesn’t like fun

[wild stone]

Yeah, growth should be fun. Growth should not be free. "I don't want to have to follow my dietary path just to grow."

But that's the entire point of the game. The point is to survive as your dinosaur. To complete your life cycle, you must grow. To grow, you must meet a challenge. Diets are that challenge.

[dreamy wharf]

That's not a challenge.

[wild stone]

You cannot circumvent the challenge of the game by making diets "optional" growth enhancers.

[dreamy wharf]

Going to one place

To another

to eat a different kind of bush.

Or whatever.

Isn't difficult.

It's the emergent player behavior that makes it difficult.

What we're going against is a diet system that punishes players for already losing.

[wild stone]

Of course it's a challenge. Travel will be difficult. You'll have to play it smart if you want to make it from location to location without dying of thirst, or being hunted. Etc.

[dreamy wharf]

Because that's just simply dumb.

[wild stone]

I'm not sure what you mean. What I gathered from your post was that you think players should never lose. And I disagree with that.

[dreamy wharf]

There isn't really a win or lose thing here.

The only loss here

Is if you're not doing your diets.

And you're growing for obscene times.

[wild stone]

Diets are not a requirement to play the game, if all you want to do is pretend to be a dinosaur. But if you want to make it to your elder stage, or gain perks, you've got to meet the challenge set before you.

[dreamy wharf]

That's a really big loss for everyone.

"Diets are not a requirement to play the game". That's the point.

We don't want a bootleg progression system

[wild stone]

They haven't implemented Elders. Once elders are in, we'll have a finish line so that you can win.

[dreamy wharf]

that forces you to eat the 2021 equivalent of blue plants

just to grow.

That isn't difficulty.

That isn't a challenge.

That's artificial difficulty.

It's a tedious process.

That

For half the roster?

Is entirely RNG.

[wild stone]

OK, if you're just gonna talk over me, I'm not gonna participate.

[dreamy wharf]

Imagine, for carnivores, being permanently punished for losing.

I'm not talking over you?

Me typing through the points you've given isn't really me talking over you, it's me going through them one by one.

[wild stone]

I've only got 2 thumbs, my dude

My point is, you're saying you don't want to have to put up with XYZ "just to grow" like growing shouldn't be difficult.

But it should be difficult. I want elders to matter. I would be absolutely fine if a significant portion of the playerbase never made it to elder on an official server, in fact.

You should be able to grow up to 80% size, but not for free. Once you reach that size, if you haven't fulfilled a single dietary requirement, your growth should pause.

Growth should be a goal. Not something that you wait for so that you can go PvP on equal terms with everyone else. I want the isle to be a hardcore survival simulator, with incentives to actually complete life cycles. And completing a life cycle should be no trivial thing.

[feral solstice]

@dreamy wharf Luckily, Filipe said that diets aren’t a requirement.

So you’re free to do what you must.

[wild stone]

I don't want the isle to be "Let me AFK in a bush so I can reach 1.0 and go PvP on equal terms in my combat simulator." The Isle should not be a mere combat simulator.

[feral solstice]

I mean in a sense, combat makes up a huge chunk of the game.

But that leads into another explanation

Regarding the Carni and Herbi interactions

[dreamy wharf]

One, growth isn't difficult at all. The idea here isn't to "win" or "lose" as growth is simply a arbitrary timer before you're an adult. The only thing difficult is not getting spotted at all.
Two, completely invalidating AFK growing by implementing a mechanic that allows you to grow twice as fast is marginally better than just forcing it upon people. Nobody is saying this is a combat sim, and, quite frankly, it'd probably be worse with a required system.
Three, elders don't really tie in with diets with the way I mentioned. Elders are done through prerequisites and dietary objectives, sure, but that doesn't make them more difficult or easier.

The whole penalty for "not growing for free" is literally being weaker, which, was implied to be permanent.

Which is just dumb.

[feral solstice]

If I may ask

When was it stated debuffs would be permanent?

And who

[dreamy wharf]

Soliare, give me a second. I'm looking for the thing.

[feral solstice]

*rick

[dreamy wharf]

Just click on it, the snipping tool isn't being kind.

Filipe says one thing.

Punch says another.

It may not be "required" but if you barely grow at all ontop of being physically weaker permanently, it's basically a required chore. 😔

[wild stone]

Well if that's the case, then sure, that's too punishing. But your growth shouldn't be on a timer. It should be based on your nourishment. If your dinosaur actively avoids dietary requirements, then your growth should pause.

And should resume again once you meet a certain level of dietary adherence.

[dreamy wharf]

And that's where I hardcore disagree. Simply put, I don't want survival to turn into progression.

[feral solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/choujeki-eating-popcorn-gif-14739088

[wild stone]

I will admit I have a certain affection for the progression system. I dislike that it was based on minutes played and would prefer it to be based on your dinosaurs accomplishments (Staying fed with the correct foods, staying hydrated, nesting youngsters to a certain stage of growth, fulfilling your own wants and needs such as going to see certain landmarks, etc.)

I would like the game to acknowledge and encourage natural behavior as an explicit goal tied to your progression as a player.

And I don't want it to force you to be a different species before you can play the one you're interested in. That was a questionable design, I'll grant. But it doesn't mean the idea of earning rewards was shit.

[dreamy wharf]

THAT RIGHT THERE, SHOULD BE THE ELDER SYSTEM.

NOT FOR THE DIET SYSTEM.

Because that's really good, but, I feel it's just a case of confusing the diet system for the elder system.

Like, yeah, the elder system? Should definately be based on milestones, that's actually really good.

[wild stone]

What's the difference? If you're not a healthy dinosaur that has followed your wants and needs, you're not going to achieve the elder stage.

And diets are certainly high in the priority list of your dinosaurs wants and needs.

[dreamy wharf]

But growth isn't really apart of the elder system aside from you slightly growing into it.

Okay, the difference

Is that one

Is just simply growing up

And two

Is the endgame mechanics that go after growing up.

Diets are just one avenue to get to the elder stage.

But that's not what I'm trying to target.

What I'm trying to target, is how diets is handled in relation to just growth.

[wild stone]

It's all connected, in my opinion. I want 1.0 growth itself to be a significant milestone achievement towards becoming an elder (which is to say, winning the survival game), with hurdles that must be overcome in order to get there

My phone is dying so I'll have to come back to this tomorrow. I just want the game to be challenging. Diets seem like an excellent way to go about it. Dunno why we're trying to make diets "optional," that seems silly to me.

Diets aren't just for growth, they're for perks too. If you want perks that will help you survive, then you need to fulfill dietary needs. That's not a strict requirement for growth, but it's a strong enough incentive in my opinion

[dreamy wharf]

Again, you're confusing base growth with the elder system. While, yes, you do grow into an elder, an elder is only achieved by doing certain things and going down certain perks or whatever.

Although, a friend of mine did point something out.

I should change the wording to have it be something like "diets feedback in relation to how growth is handled".

o7

[strange wave]

zann, havent you been told many times that its never been a requirement?

[dreamy wharf]

Read up.

So

If that upper post wasn't a nail in the coffin.

These should absolutely be.

It may not be a requirement

But if you face

permanent and significant debuffs.

While having an implied "almost no growth" thing.

It definately seems pretty required.

[strange wave]

you know what thats referring to?
you being weaker if you sit still and do fucking nothing
if you even slightly try to follow your diet you wont be a weak little manlet of a dinosaur that took 2x as long to grow

[barren zephyr]

ya, I have been thinking about that

[dreamy wharf]

I have not seen a single time where anything else has been referred to. Nor is that referring to "AFK" growth, Bork, I literally have the replies in there too.

as

"optional".

Outside of Don originally speaking about it.

[glacial quest]

||these images are really crispy, do you have font smoothing off?||

[dreamy wharf]

I have no clue, I think it's just the compression from the snipping tool.

It hurts.

[glacial quest]

weird

[strange wave]

lol

[broken hare]

So growth time will be reduced significantly with diets?

If i understood that right

[jade schooner]

I'm really sorry for the long texts

Tho if it weren't for the words limit they'd probably be longer

I hope the suggestion is not too outlandish, at it can resonate with some of you. It's very gimmicky tho.

I don’t doubt I might be getting ❌s, but it’s a start to think about how it could work

[swift dew]

sorta, if you follow your diet you will be living with a shorter growth than the current times. however, growth times will most likely be increased all across the board to combat people growing things way faster than they should be, so if you follow your diet well you will have shorter growth than you have now

however if you fail to follow your diet you will be living with a growth that is longer than the current times

[feral solstice]

God. Utah is what, an hour and 15?
45 minutes for following your diet

[broken hare]

Thats cool, should see more people running around doing stuff

[patent garden]

i dont think the growth times should be halved necessarily but a small decrease (i.e, utah from 1h15 to 1hr or deino from 5h to 4h/4h30m) would be nice

the growth times that are planned for most large creatures are kind of ridiculous

itd be nice to have a way to even slightly shorten them

plus the game'll feel more alive if people are moving around, people wont wanna follow diets because "you better >:(" but because there are perks to doing it, not strict punishments for not doing it

[keen vapor]

@dreamy wharf kinda disagree with your suggestion, 3x growth is just way too fast and i feel like it will make growing a dino to adult feel far less rewarding. Diets will be an essential part in gameplay and it shouldnt really be an optional chore.

[dreamy wharf]

3x less growth.

For AFKers.

[paper oriole]

HOW would ptera carry a hypsi or a small utah

[safe galleon]

Magic

[urban flax]

with its feet

[keen vapor]

afkers will probably have way more than just 3x slower growth

[safe galleon]

Or the hands on the wings

[paper oriole]

ptera carrying stuff with its noodle ass bowtie pasta feet

[keen vapor]

if ark ptera can why not the isle

obv

[urban flax]

Ark is the most paleo-accurate game around, we should take example on it

[paper oriole]

i want quetz to carry a merc riding a t rex too

[keen vapor]

i agree

dino sizes is also really good

[dreamy wharf]

Okay?

[solid wedge]

First of all, they wouldn't be able to carry just anyone. With the largest pterosaurs weighing an estimated 180 – 250 kg (400-550 lbs), they could probably only comfortably lift and carry smaller people. ... But with your extra weight on their back, they probably wouldn't be able to glide for very long

not my words from a source

[keen vapor]

do you not feel like diets should be a primary part of gameplay though?

[paper oriole]

ptera can carry compy when it comes, no need for more

[keen vapor]

compy abuse

[urban flax]

Those "largest pterosaurs" are quetzalcoatlus
More than 2x the size of ptera

[dreamy wharf]

Diets are. Nothing in the post detracts from that.

Instead of diets being unfun, boring, and a chore it's more of an optional thing that completely negates AFK growing.

[cyan flame]

@dreamy wharfI'll just point out, from what I know, the weakened state of not following your diets is not permanent, just very hard to reverse if you've ignored your diet for all your life. And I personally believe diets should affect everything, so you always have to deal with that. That's part of life, competition for territory, food, good places to nest, and so on. That will give you something to always worry about and plan for. It boosting growth is all good, and afkgrowth should be ever so slow, but that itself won't make people care too much about diets, because people will afkgrow if they can get away with it, even for stupid amont of hours.

The stat effecting also has the benefit of helping vs mixed groups, since they are unlikely to be able to be fully feed on proper diets together, and so they might be weaker and easier to deal with for a solo species group that has eaten all their veggies properly :p

[dreamy wharf]

That's why AFK growers will take days to grow, if it's 3x.

And I highly doubt anyone would AFK just as much as they wouldn't when you're just gutted because you didn't eat Y thing.

[keen vapor]

you said diets should be more of an option rather than a requirement

[dreamy wharf]

Yes.

A very encouraged option.

Which most people, would assumedly be doing.

[keen vapor]

noone is gona be able to afk grow so its pretty much essential

[cyan flame]

I'm not actually sure why you're opposed to the current ideas Zann, they're just as much very encouraged but not neccesary?

[dreamy wharf]

Yeah that's a fair point.

I guess it's still a required system

but it's not

actual aids.

Actually.

I suppose it's still optional if you take default timers into account?

But, if people can just eat normal bushes and grow in the amount of time they do now

they'll still afk.

[keen vapor]

they cant, thats the entire point of them adding the diet system

[dreamy wharf]

Normal bushes will still exist, I'd imagine.

[cyan flame]

Diets need to be something that is always relevant, not just because of elder/similar. Especially since elder is not required, just an option. You can, from what I know, stay as an adult if you'd rather do that.

[dreamy wharf]

I mean diets making you grow twice as fast makes it extremely relevant.

[cyan flame]

It does, but it's only part of it to me at least

[keen vapor]

it wont

[cyan flame]

See example of mixing, that's a good way of using diets as well

[dreamy wharf]

Okay, why?

[keen vapor]

you need to keep your diet up to grow at optimal speed, its not going to boost your growth speed

[dreamy wharf]

What?

[keen vapor]

you didnt know that?

[dreamy wharf]

No, I did.

But I don't really see how that ties back to "2x growth multipliers won't be relevant".

You don't need to shove a mechanic that far down into people's throats for it to be relevant.

[keen vapor]

??

[cyan flame]

Well "optimal" speed is the boost you get? As opposed to the average, and then afk being immensely long?

[dreamy wharf]

It's implied that's the average.

Or the default growth timers.

But maybe the wording is wrong.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[keen vapor]

yeah pretty much from as far as i know

i hope diets will make growing a bit harder too since i feel like its far far to easy rn..

[dreamy wharf]

If it just debilitates them from growing at all while simultaneously making you weaker if you don't adhere to your diets, that's not really difficulty or anything, it's just an overly forceful mechanic that punishes you for already losing.

Example, if you've got a carno or something that needs to eat X AI or Y playable, yet both of those don't exist or are bugged or are in stupid places that you can't really reliably find them in the allotted time given to you to eat your diet. You're going to be marginally weaker because, you, the player, couldn't find a random animal to eat within that timespan. Ontop of not being able to grow, you're quite literally just getting weaker because of it.

This is with the context of growth.

If that was something when you were an adult, maybe.

[cyan flame]

But we know carnis will have much less of a punishment, or none at all possibly, because of those reasons?

[dreamy wharf]

Actually.

[cyan flame]

I also suspect it wouldn't just be one time Zann, it'd have to be over a decent amount of time

[dreamy wharf]

As much as I hate to keep saying ackhually.

[cyan flame]

If you have to scavenge fish once in a while, you're probably going to be good, if you insist on only eating fish, well then..

[keen vapor]

i dont think you should worry much about that. That just comes down to game design

[dreamy wharf]

Punch has mentioned it's a thing for both carnivores and herbivores. Even if it's lesser, it just sucks.

If they can somehow manage it, I'd absolutely love it.

But, I'd just rather have a fun mechanic than a virtual chore that makes me want to use a jackhammer on my toenails.

[keen vapor]

We really dont know how diets will be so its kinda stupid to make assumptions about it and worry.

[dreamy wharf]

#general-feedback-discussion message

We have a p decent idea.

And if the messages weren't enough, there's also the official description of diets.

Not worrying about it until the last second is something I feel is unhealthy just because it makes it harder to change later.

[cyan flame]

Fair point, see concepts/models.. :p

But he didn't mention anything about permanent debuffs there Zann, and only that growing would take ages if you did not manage your diets, which would be the afk part.

[keen vapor]

so much is subject to change though, i highly doubt they will design it so that if you are unlucky and dont find preffered food you will suffer permanent debuffs

[dreamy wharf]

Like I said, even if it isn't entirely permanent, it has to be significant enough to even warrant it in the game. If that's the case, it's still a mechanic that just serves to kick you while you're down.

[keen vapor]

why should it be so significant though?

who said it will??

[cyan flame]

I'm not sure I see that Zann, wouldn't it just be that you would be down if you're not following diets? There's no added punishment?

[dreamy wharf]

Because why have it if it doesn't do anything, like I said, it has to be significant to warrant it in the game otherwise you'd assume they wouldn't put it in.

For carnivores specifically, no.

For herbivores, yes, because they can easily get to their diets so it's more of a choice for them.

[keen vapor]

who said that they would have it though??

[cyan flame]

Zann has a point? If diets don't actually do something, then no need to follow them? If the time difference isn't big enough, then why not just afk anyway? And so on

[keen vapor]

i get your point but i highly highly doubt they will design diets so that, that could actually be a problem

[dreamy wharf]

But with carnivores? You can't really be able to follow your diets 24/7 unless they either explode the current player count, introduce massive amounts of AI, or other stuff.

[dreamy wharf]

Are you asking if they'd have negative stat effects if you don't follow your diet?

Because Punch confirmed that.

[keen vapor]

as ive said, it all boils down to how they design it, and we dont know how the diet paths for carnis will be like yet

if they make it so that you need to eat a certain playable species that perhaps noone plays on that server you have all right to complain, but we dont know that yet.

[cyan flame]

Most likely you'll get a choice of foods, and with ai, that might work out. And if it's not an immediate "you're useless/take 5+ hours to grow" you probably have some leeway at that.

[glacial quest]

#general-feedback message
i think concerns of AFKing could be addressed by just having it require a player reaction to catch the fish
not to mention you can't AFK indefinitely underwater anyway, the deino does have to breathe

[azure wadi]

@gritty hawk we’ve got a big enough dino roster already, no need for more

[paper oriole]

Iguanodon would be cool af but just saying “add this dino” is nothing but clutter in the feedback channel

Like cmon, give some reasoning

[azure wadi]

Also the fact that our roster is already too big, adding more will just stretch the populations of dinosaurs thin, you’ll rarely meet your own species

Unless you’re one of the super popular and famous species

[gritty hawk]

Igaunodon though

[azure wadi]

We have enough

[lapis tree]

True

And what would Iguanadon bring to the isle

[spark carbon]

@outer folio MA DUDE, I've never seen a truer feedback xD

@viscid harbor while your suggestion kinda makes sense, they can't really put EVRIMA as the default version of the game as it is vastly incomplete right now (no nesting, no diet system which will be a big part of the game, lack of dinos, etc). The reason why Legacy is still the default version is because it's the (quote on quote) "COMPLETED game" (which is far from true as it is hot garbage but still, it does resemble a complete game more than EVRIMA). I imagine eventually they'll switch it up, but as of right now, it wouldn't be possible (although they should add some message or something when logging into Legacy talking about EVRIMA)

[viscid harbor]

fair enough, like I said I'm completely new so don't know much about it just wanted to share my experience since it could go unnoticed as it's not something that would come to the attention of veteran players

[sonic mural]

@barren zephyr that’s basically instant kills lmao

[normal shuttle]

Can I discuss here a random idea I had?

Before posting it

Or to know if I should suggest that or not

[urban flax]

Yes

[normal shuttle]

Alright

It’s just a random thought I had but...how about an upcoming dinosaur(preferably taco) with an eusocial behavior

Like mole rats

To make them more unique

[urban flax]

What do you mean by eusocial ?

[normal shuttle]

Depending on their diet or something they can be like mole rats. A normal one, a “queen”, a “soldier”...almost like ants

To give them more variation and something unique

[urban flax]

I'm 90% sure it wouldn't work

[normal shuttle]

Welp

[urban flax]

Every playable needs to be at least viable without a pack
In this case it would require dozens of players to make it work

[normal shuttle]

Hmmm yeah

You’re right

[urban flax]

And I'm not sure I like the idea of taco or homalo being an ant either
They're dinosaurs, not bugs

[normal shuttle]

Anyway, thanks for helping

[urban flax]

np

[molten tulip]

Meerkats is probably a better example for eusociality

But yeah dinos should be focused around solo experience since packmates aren't guaranteed

[fading fjord]

Be sure to post your idea, Vice, sometimes stuff like that might inspire others.

[normal shuttle]

Uuuh alright

[fading fjord]

No fear

[normal shuttle]

And could AI solve that problem?

Like

[molten tulip]

Scars are a cool system but setting it up that way would just incentivize people to get beaten to near death

[normal shuttle]

Making that a diet option

For elder tacos maybe?

[urban flax]

A playable shouldn't be dependent on AI for its main gameplay either in my opinion

Well they can be very sociable animals, who can build huge burrows by cooperating with a large group, but it shouldn't rely too much on that

[molten tulip]

Yeah

[fading fjord]

I dont feel very supportive with the idea but if your intentions are good, share with us.

[dusk stone]

Do someone knows how to do The Isle Evrima server? I only found guide to legacy.

[desert tendon]

believe what you want m8 but the only things you can kill are babies and juvis. And even then you are just kinda being a jerk

if you kill babies and juvis

for no reason

if you have enough skill to kill subs then i applaud you

however the mass amount of people who play dryo are not able to do that

also if you are actively trying to kill things as a dryo you must have a ton of patience. They do like no damage, and it takes forever to kill anything. Not to mention its 2 main predators are faster than it and hit harder

also utahs can pin it now

a 100% utah is faster than a 100% dryo

im clearly not getting through to you so im just gonna stop

Im trying to make dryo more fun to the masses of people who want to play dryo

burrowing wont make you time any less fun

[dusk stone]

Do somebody knows how to host EVRIMA server, i am want to ""do"" one like in this guide

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1502947359

[desert tendon]

you can think its fun. im not telling you that you cant have fun with it. im saying the the majority of people playing dryo are bored and need more stimulous

but why are you opposed to it

it would do nothing but add more interesting mechanics to this dino

thats your opinion

[vocal pecan]

Y'all should go into another chat, you're blocking other people's stuff now 😅

[desert tendon]

why should it be the burrow invader and not a burrow maker. I would just like to ask whats your reasoning behind that

ok

was done anyways

[fading fjord]

Theres alr vids on YT of baby dryos killings adult dinos of various species (Evrima)

[desert tendon]

not saying it does

[fading fjord]

Dont trash on dryos or ill kill ya

[desert tendon]

im not trashing on them

im saying that they should have an extra ability

[fading fjord]

Whats this then?

[desert tendon]

whats what

[fading fjord]

Only babies... Jerks...

Pff

[desert tendon]

...

[feral solstice]

IMO dryo should only be able to edit existing burrows

Not entirely create them

[fading fjord]

Which extra ability could they have?

[desert tendon]

have you read anything that i have said

[feral solstice]

Dryo is already the 2nd fastest in the game, with what might be the best turning speed of any Dino.
Why does it need to burrow lol

[barren zephyr]

okay the most rediculous thing just happened to me

[fading fjord]

Whats the 1st?

[desert tendon]

i didnt say it needs it to be viable i said it needs it to be more interesting

[fading fjord]

Nope, thats why i was asking, sry.

[barren zephyr]

I got my fully grown Carno and i was chaseing down one of them things with the long tail (not a stego) and i bit him than he whips me with his tail agein ajnd agein and agein there was no cool down or anything. he basically 1 shotted me. if the carno gets a cooldown for chargeing and the utah gets a cooldown for pounceing than that thing 100000% needs a cool down, it was unreasonably OP

[honest sparrow]

Burrow invading will make it more interesting

[desert tendon]

dryo is not meant to be a combatitive dinosaur. you can play them however you like, but thats not how the majority of dryos players use them

[honest sparrow]

Majority of Dryo players are maniacs

[fading fjord]

Wrong.

[barren zephyr]

piss off. that thing 1 shotted me

[honest sparrow]

Did you run straight at it

[feral solstice]

Carno

[fading fjord]

Debatable.

[desert tendon]

read my general feedback if you like i go in depth why i think it should burrow

[honest sparrow]

I have yet to meet 1 Dryo player that isn’t a murderer, and I love it

[barren zephyr]

this is a Debait channel my guy. debate why it doesnt need a cooldown instead of being a dick to me

[fading fjord]

Really?!? Is this Troo'don fuck with me?!? Normal sprint you mean?

[desert tendon]

yes carno is the fastest

[barren zephyr]

plus i got the game like 3 days ago

[hybrid matrix]

hey uhh

so maybe

JUST MAYBE

dont run into a teno's ass next time?

[desert tendon]

stop telling people to "get good" it comes off as aggressive and immature

[barren zephyr]

JuSt GeT gOoD. dude ur dad didnt beat you hard enough

[desert tendon]

instead give polite feedback and advice

[hybrid matrix]

usually this is true but in this case its ok to say "git gud"

[barren zephyr]

based

[fading fjord]

#EvrimaNotLegacy

[hybrid matrix]

listen to me
this is a learning experience

[honest sparrow]

Like what, don’t run into a tenos huge fucking tail next time

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

[desert tendon]

thats better but you could still be more polite about it

[honest sparrow]

Teno should just have diminishing returns if it spams its tail too much imo

[hybrid matrix]

dude im agreeing with u

[desert tendon]

just saying "git gud" helps nothing and makes the "advice" worthless

[hybrid matrix]

lmao

[barren zephyr]

i littaraly got the game 3 fucking days ago. this is probably why people aint buying the game, cus dick head people like you just say git gud instead of giveing actual advice and feedback

[hybrid matrix]

THIS IS A LEARNING EXPERIENCE FOR YOU YA DOOF

[honest sparrow]

Na, people don’t buy it because it’s a sc-

[hybrid matrix]

EVERY TIME U DIE U LEARN WUT NOT TO DO

[desert tendon]

[barren zephyr]

IT WAS ABT OF A ROUGH LEARNING CURVE

[honest sparrow]

You live and you learn

[hybrid matrix]

thats a good thing tho

[honest sparrow]

Now you know

[hybrid matrix]

learn fast

simple as that

[barren zephyr]

how about maby it shouldent have sutch a fast tail whip

[hybrid matrix]

how about carno shouldnt be able to bite when stunned

[barren zephyr]

yes i agree

[hybrid matrix]

how about dont run into an animal's tail when that tail makes up 50% of that animal's body weight

seriously

[honest sparrow]

Teno vs carno should be like 50/50, get hit by the tail you’re dead, get hit by the charge you’re dead

[desert tendon]

whatever, dryo should be able to make burrows it would make it more interesting. If you disagree, feel free to have a mature discussion with me. If you dont wish to be mature about it, leave you downvote on the post at the door and stop talking to me

[honest sparrow]

Ez win

[urban flax]

Tenonto is designed to be able to beat a carno 1v1, that's all. Once you know that, you'll understand why it has such a quick and strong tail slam.

[hybrid matrix]

u could fit a teno inside of a teno's tail

[barren zephyr]

i thaught it was just a waight to help it run better not a defence thing. i thaught it used its claws for that

[fading fjord]

Its not a stun if it can bite, right? Theres another term for it?

Or is it buggy?

[honest sparrow]

Make Dryo more interesting by having to either work with or evict other animals from burrows and modify them to its own liking

[urban flax]

It uses both, think of it as the brawler dino of the current game. It is the best at fighting, compared to its size.

[hybrid matrix]

thats like saying "i thought those Vulcan cannons were just for balancing the aircraft, not for ripping holes through tanks"

[honest sparrow]

It still gets the benefits of burrowing, without being able to plop a safety hole anywhere it goes on top of being insanely fast

[feral solstice]

Give Tenos tail slam a cool down and the carno v. teno matchup will be 70-80/30-20 lol

[desert tendon]

read my post and it will explain why i think that it wont be as interesting

[hybrid matrix]

no

it doesnt need a cooldown

[feral solstice]

Not saying give it a cool down

I’m saying that as an example

Of how bad it could be

[fading fjord]

Imo, Dryo's mobility&skill are enough to survive and fight for your live, solo or herding.

[hybrid matrix]

if only the dodge worked tho

[sonic mural]

If it did get a cooldown that would suck

[barren zephyr]

this is a good way of explaining it instead of saying "git gud" thank you

@lapis tree I think the idea of more Pterosaurs is awesome! (Tupandactylus being a personal favorite of mine.) So, I'm not sure if you know this or not but there is in fact a third pterosaur confirmed. I've talked briefly with Punchpacket about it, and pretty much all we know is that it will be about Ptera size. I just thought you might want to know if you don't already. And those pterosaur recommendations are .

[honest sparrow]

Ok, so your problem is that Dryo has to interact with stuff, and that a safety hole for an insanely fast, maneuverable animal with a load of stam is situational?

[desert tendon]

i did not say it wasnt viable. all i said is that its boring and needs more interesting abilities

[fading fjord]

It doesnt work? Wdym? I loved it last time i tried.

[desert tendon]

no its situational because you wont always have a burrow to steal. Especially if there isnt a burrowing creature in the game

[hybrid matrix]

the dodge is useless

u cant use it

[urban flax]

You're welcome. Some people are trying to compensate for the rest of the community.

[honest sparrow]

I never said it wasn’t situational

[hybrid matrix]

u can only dodge with ur running skills

[sonic mural]

I just wanna raid dryo burrows as a troodon or juvi utah

[desert tendon]

the dodge is actually pretty good if you can use it

[fading fjord]

Quit with the boring, plz, that a player issue not a game issue.

[honest sparrow]

I said it being situational is perfectly fine tho

[hybrid matrix]

yeah and some of us are exhausted because we got 2 hours of sleep last night which we take full responsibility for but still....

[hybrid matrix]

u cant

u just cant

the dodge doesnt work

[honest sparrow]

I find Dryo more fun than most of the roster tbh

[fading fjord]

Debatable.

[hybrid matrix]

the dodge is for when u wanna die

[desert tendon]

you have to angle the camera to the direction that you move in in order to dodge. then you can keep running in that direction

its really useful for juking

[fading fjord]

Ur kinda getting there

[hybrid matrix]

u mean so that u dodge forward?

[honest sparrow]

I tend to just hold alt and look, it’s fine when you got a charging carno or pouncing Utah around

[fading fjord]

Dryo's dodge, is a trap for the attacker, if well played

[barren zephyr]

HMMMM just love it when i get killed by a croc when hes no where near my tail

[desert tendon]

no when you dodge when running, you jump in the direction that you input in. then if you angle the camera in that direction, you can keep running without any end lag on the dodge

[urban flax]

Now that's desync, and it's another problem

[barren zephyr]

i seeeee

Also i attacked the long tail boi cus ive onley ever seen them dead or dyeing

[fading fjord]

Whats the server Queen?

[honest sparrow]

That’s fair

I need to get better at Toronto, it’s like my least played besides steg

[fading fjord]

Teno is fun

And unique

Team up with a dryo and hypsi and ur gonna lose yourself.

With just these 3 dinos herding, the number of plays is huge!!

[urban flax]

Just add a ptera to the mix and you got the perfect toxic deathsquad

[fading fjord]

Im just mixing herbs

[urban flax]

Herbs can be toxic too

[fading fjord]

I dont enjoy playing ptera with other species.

[urban flax]

And I'm not sure a ptera can really be considered a carni...

[fading fjord]

Herbs are not toxic, thats a player issue.

[urban flax]

Yes
They can be toxic
Like carnis

[fading fjord]

Wdym?

[honest sparrow]

Ptera works with any dino

[fading fjord]

No

[honest sparrow]

And I do mean any dino

[urban flax]

Fishing is kinda like grazing
Except you can fill to 100% with it

[honest sparrow]

Pteras still eat bodies tho

[fading fjord]

Dont fish, go for pvp

[honest sparrow]

They’re scavengers

[fading fjord]

No

[urban flax]

If I want to go pvp I'm not picking ptera

[honest sparrow]

Or I like to play them as hyper aggressive deino killers

[fading fjord]

Bad pteras are scavengers

[honest sparrow]

But

[urban flax]

Oh and ptera is lame at scavenging, you always end up being killed while you're trying to eat a tiny bit of food

[honest sparrow]

Picking in gators over 800 times your size isn’t for everyone

[fading fjord]

Dam, you havent seen whats good.

[urban flax]

Oh, I've already beaten full-grown deinos as a ptera
But it was a matter of necessity

[fading fjord]

Flyers are the MasterRace

[urban flax]

I don't find it fun to bash an enemy for 10 minutes straight, except in Monster Hunter

[honest sparrow]

I do

Seeing big ass things run from a living kite is hilarious to me

[fading fjord]

Pecking 800 times Deinos, is between 6-8 dead Deinos, if done right.

[honest sparrow]

Yeah

But like hatchling deinos are the easiest thing to kill

[urban flax]

A ptera needs 120 body pecks to kill an adult deino, right ?

But it can easily go for the head, tho I don't know the exact multiplier

[fading fjord]

50-60 headshots and its dead Deino, for a TopGun flock, its ez clap

[honest sparrow]

^

[fading fjord]

Yup just like the Dryo.

[honest sparrow]

A full pack just needs to land around 10 headshots each and the deino is clapped

[fading fjord]

Yup

Fun

[urban flax]

Considering that, if you are good, you can do a peck every 2-3 seconds, that's 2 minutes and a half to kill a deino

I guess I exaggerated with the 10 minutes thingie, I'm not skilled enough to land a headshot every 2 seconds tho

[winter kraken]

and after 2 minutes it goes in water after he feels like dying

[fading fjord]

Ill try upload a 1v1 Ptera on Carno, Ptera clapped Carno ez.

Juking as Ptera is out of this world.

Thank you Dondi

[urban flax]

@novel turtle I'm downvoting just because of the spino crouching
Have you even seeen evrima's spino model ?

[novel turtle]

i have

[urban flax]

Then how can you believe it should go on 4 legs when crouching ?

Plus it already has a crouching animation

[winter kraken]

ngl, evrima spino crouching like hypo spino in legacy is quite badass

but probaly not realistic

xD

[novel turtle]

ya

just thought it would be cool

like just make the arms longer and change the animation to 4 legs would make spino alot more immersive

what do you think of the puddle idea?

[urban flax]

🤢

Quadrupedal spino is an abomination

[novel turtle]

i think it looks cool

its unique and makes it seem much more believable compared to irl creatures

[urban flax]

I don't like the deino digging puddles idea a lot either
People will know where the natural puddles are, they'll now that if they see an unmarked puddle there's a deino inside

And it also requires for terrain to be editable, which it isn't

[novel turtle]

what puddles?

never seen these

[urban flax]

The ones from your suggestion

[novel turtle]

no the natural puddles

never seen natural puddles

[urban flax]

You're saying deinos can dig water puddles, right ?

[novel turtle]

yes

[urban flax]

If there is no natural puddle it's even worse

Because as soon as you see a puddle you'll know a deino dug it

[novel turtle]

yes but you dont know if one is in there and also if you find one during a dry season it may be your only bet at water and you have to risk it.

[urban flax]

If the puddle disappears when the deino logs there's a 100% chance there's a deino in it

[novel turtle]

when dry season goes away the hole will most likely be filled with water

[urban flax]

And risking drinking when you know there is a deino is absolutely stupid. When you're at a river, you may risk drinking because there is a probability there's a deino around, here we're talking about a tiny pond in which we're 100% sure there's a deino inside

And you said nothing about the fact it would require terrain modification, digging that sort of puddle would require for the map to be editable and the game's engine to be designed for it, which it isn't

[snow meadow]

I think the digging thing is a bit much and gives 1 creature too much power over a map, and I'm a deino main.

Now dry seasons in general where there's only small bodies of water and more risk of deino attacks I'd be all for

[urban flax]

Droughts are planned

[snow meadow]

I'm excited for weather in general

I miss the thunderstorms

Maybe different weather could give different animals buffs 🤔

[urban flax]

Well no

Getting buffs from the weather doesn't sound good at all

[snow meadow]

Oh okay

[urban flax]

First, buffs in this kind of survival game are really wacky and can really break immersion.
Second, that's getting a debuff at random times for a random duration, which doesn't allow for any sort of gameplay apart from "pray for a weather that artificially advantages you"

[snow meadow]

In legacy technically it already gave you a buff by not needing water. But also a debuff not being able to sniff

[urban flax]

This is one thing, but species-specific buffs are terrible imo

And the fact legacy rain completely prevented you from sniffing but gave you infinite water was kinda stupid too, I hope it will be different in evrima

[snow meadow]

It wouldn't break immersion if it was realistic. Water dinos like it when it's wet and muddy. Land dinos like it when it's warm. When they add cold blooded land creatures like big lizards they might like it when it's super warm

[urban flax]

Maybe we can have reduced water drain and shorter sniff ranges, but that was really too much, to the point it was dumb

[urban flax]

But what kind of buffs would you get ? Buffs are unrealistic in their sheer essence

[snow meadow]

Probably something that ties into diets or stamina idk

When weather is cold cold blooded animals are sluggish. Dunno what's so immersion breaking about that

[urban flax]

The weather itself is already a buff if it favors your dino. Water dinos mgith prefer rain because it raises the water level or allows them to go out without dehydrating, this isn't an artificial buff to force some unneeded balance

Think about playing a cold-blooded animal like deino, when suddendly it starts raining and out of nowhere you go slower, and worse stamina rgeneration and that sort of thing. Is that fun ?

Is that promoting any kind of gameplay ?

[snow meadow]

Yes

[urban flax]

Which one ?

[snow meadow]

But I didn't say there had to be debuffs

It was just an idea anyway

[urban flax]

I'm just trying to convince you to not consider it too seriously anyway

[snow meadow]

@spark carbon pounce should probably do more damage tbh

Or like more damage the longer you stay on maybe

At least earlier as a teno pounce really didn't scare me much. Their bites and bleeds were worse

[feral solstice]

Thing is Utah pounce does no bleed

And when it did so, the bleed was damaging

Not major, but damaging

[swift dew]

well that is a bug

[novel turtle]

shut is very appropriate

even though we have many preds planned a feathered proceratosaurus like in JWA would be cool for later on

[desert tendon]

Utah runs at 43 km/h and dryo runs at 41 km/h

so no

it cant outspeed a utah

[urban flax]

Dryo is faster than Utah since update 3, and these aren't even their in-game speeds

[desert tendon]

im looking in the isle wiki

[urban flax]

The Isle Wiki is wrong
It's not official

[desert tendon]

ok

[hybrid matrix]

dryo runs at 55 kph and utah runs at 52 iirc

[swift dew]

utah is 52, and dryo doesn't run that much faster so 55 seems about right

[vivid needle]

Hey guys, i got a question (probably asked many times idk) : is there a reaseon why herbies cannot scent while moving ?

[hybrid matrix]

no reason at all

they just cant

although a lot of ppl want them to be able to

[vivid needle]

aight that's weird if there is no reason XD

[hybrid matrix]

yep

[vivid needle]

thx 🙂

[swift dew]

actually there is a reason, its to make hunting/tracking down other players as a herbi harder

[hybrid matrix]

oh

[swift dew]

it was especially bad when shant was super strong

[quiet estuary]

The good ol days

Hunter killer herds

[hybrid matrix]

so why not let them sniff while walking but they cant sniff prints while walking

all they can sniff is food, water, bodies, and they have the compass?

[swift dew]

[quiet estuary]

I dont think they had the capabilities to do such a thing previously

Due to the whole "spaghetti code" and whatnot

[vivid needle]

that makes sense lel, so it was to prevent herbies to hunt right ? XD

[spark carbon]

Exactly my point, but people think I'm just a crying Utah main xd

There's literally no point on pouncing ever unless you already have the weight adventage or the enemy doesn't know how to buck xd

[hybrid matrix]

its not supposed to be a damage attack

[cyan flame]

The point of the pounce is to inflict bleed to wear something down over time

[hybrid matrix]

its supposed to be a bleed attack

however

due to a bug
it doesnt do bleed anymore

so currently, yes it is useless

[cyan flame]

You should need a big pack and repeated pounces over 20-30 min at least, or longer, for a long term hunt of big things

And yes, currently bugged, and the dismount is an issue, that has been mentioned a few times too. But as for the pounce itself, it's fine, as long as you treat it as a tool to weaken the prey over long term, rather than a quick kill

[worn pumice]

Pounce should absolutely not do more dmg lol

Ppl saying that have no idea what their saying

Then we would just go back to what it was in update 2

A broken mechanic that was too good

What it does now is great for what the Dino is for it’s supposed to bleed

Even if it is bugged currently

[urban flax]

@tall oasis God why did you have to choose a picture that ugly to demonstrate your idea !?

[quiet estuary]

Non ugly images of featherless oviraptor are difficulty to come by

The disney dinosaur one was a pretty good example of something done decently

I also once saw some good artwork of one but I am unable to find it

[tall oasis]

yee its hard to come by, i will find one thats better lmao

[tall oasis]

i got a pic of it, unfortunately i can't edit the pic on the post, and i thought deleting it would let me but.... theres no pic lmao

[calm ether]

@zinc moss it's working, at least for me. But it's harder to notice it unless you're really close to the water, prolly due to lightning and terrain.

[sonic mural]

It’s sad how ppl want pounce to do more dmg as if Utah is a big damage dealing Dino like a rex

[paper oriole]

They want their big strong rawr xd indoraptor

[sonic mural]

Lol and not that it even needs a damage buff when it literally has the play style of pounce/bite and bleed it out and with a pack limit of 8 is more than enough utahs to even need a damage buff that’s just overpowered

[paper oriole]

Almost every time i see a utah its in a moderate to absurd sized group too

They dont even care about pack limit

I see a dozen+ utahs hunting together

[sonic mural]

Lol true they might add something to help with ppl having more than there pack limit but who knows

[paper oriole]

Yeah its getting very dull running into utah and carno megapacks so often, not to mention the mix packs

[sonic mural]

Mhm to me herbivores mix packing with other herbivores is a lot more acceptable than carnivores mix packing with other carnivores or herbivores

[barren zephyr]

Not to me

[paper oriole]

Yeah herbis are mostly defensive while carnis are designed to track and kill so its worse then its crossfac or carni+carni mixpacking

Plus there are more carnis on the map always

[sonic mural]

True

[quiet estuary]

just post it in here, copy the link then edit the message by inserting said link

[hoary dawn]

reacted to his own suggestion with a check mark and a

[sonic mural]

@steep warren wouldn’t deinos just get screwed if there was a drought

[steep warren]

not really because there would still be other parts of the map that it would force them to migrate and not all the water in that one area would dry out. but i see your point.

[quiet estuary]

Droughts are already confirmed to be a thing
At least from the water perspective

Plantlife one not 100% sure

[steep warren]

Im pretty sure they have hinted at plant life in the water because im pretty sure (correct me if im wrong) that beipi will have to feed of of the underwater plant life.

[tall oasis]

Thank you so much! That really helped

[sacred quest]

@willow aurora Personally its a bad idea to have paths speed you up. Id say have it the opposite. Have thick flora and jungle slow down larger animals to encourage using game paths and paths more or generally using less dense routes.

[willow aurora]

I feel like the small creatures should use paths more than the larger ones, since they’re meant to be playing in the “horror” aspect of the game.

[icy lion]

you dont leave footprints on paths, which is pretty useful as is

[swift dew]

oh. that is good to know

[honest sparrow]

I could swear I heard somewhere that juvi carno was planned to have a jump

[still raptor]

Carno is just way to agile as it is rn

We need legacy agility back for Carno

[wild stone]

The point of the suggestion is not to make carno more agile, it's to allow carno players a bit more convenience.

I am fine with the animal being a lumbering predator that uses the momentum of its speed to barrel through its prey. I wouldn't mind if its turning rate were more akin to legacy, even. That's not the issue. The issue is that it physically cannot move past a log, regardless of how tall the animal is or how sunken-into-the-ground the log is.

If Carno doesn't get a jump or step-over feature, every other playable that cannot jump will have this issue, and moving through jungle terrain will be a real problem for a significant portion of the roster.

Again, I'm not saying Carno should be proficient at moving through jungle, but since it is a completely land-bound animal, it makes sense that it be able to move decently through most dry terrain.

[crude ingot]

catching fish as ptero is painfully hard

i know where they are, i can see them, but i'm starving

[honest sparrow]

How

Just hold rmb over it

[compact hare]

And tap space from time to time

[honest sparrow]

And fly in circles around it until the prompt goes up

[crude ingot]

i just end up falling into the water, only got the prompt once

[hoary dawn]

you can tap space to gain a little altitude when you get too close to the water

[honest sparrow]

Let go once you see the prompt

And fly up

[compact hare]

Try to press space to fly up
and keep at least the eyes out of the water
the beak can stay in, part of it

Its like bike
you will learn, its hard the first times

[crude ingot]

yeah i didn't manage to eat in the dino's entire life, trying the whole time, never seeing a prompt. i think i'm bugged

[manic flint]

Are you checking for the ripples?

[crude ingot]

yes i saw a group of five ripples, kept circling around to them, held rmb, beak in the water and the prompt still only popped up the once

[manic flint]

For me, it happened alot, not sure what's wrong with yours

You could become a vulture ptera

[crude ingot]

i don't know, this is unfun

[manic flint]

And scavenge for bodies

[crude ingot]

my dino never got to eat before i starved

[compact hare]

Oh ye they pop up sometimes (not always), but its not a bug I believe.. I hope

[manic flint]

Ptera can completely grow without eating (1 hour) so you should be able to find a body

[compact hare]

Soon 45 minutes

[crude ingot]

yeah i wasted the whole hour trying to catch fish

[manic flint]

Sorry I don't have any more info :/

[crude ingot]

surely it can't be meant to be that hard to fish

[manic flint]

No

When I played it took me like 10 mins to fish

And I got really good at it

Ptera needs little food

Weird

[compact hare]

ooh

I guess the bot attacked

Got muted

[manic flint]

Ptera growth is being reduced or the food timer is?

[compact hare]

Yeye

let me find the ss

[sonic mural]

@scenic leaf number 1 priority should be the performance of the game tbh

[compact hare]

I believe it is being reduced

[compact hare]

3 days ago

[hoary dawn]

yea i normally catch a fish in about 10 seconds

must be a thing with the server you were in

[manic flint]

@scenic leaf It is very easy to find people (I'm talking evrima here) there are hotspots around the map with lots of player activity. There won't be hotspots after diets come out and people have to start travelling.

[swift dew]

the map is honestly perfect size as long as everyone is spread out. the problem is nobody is spread out

[manic flint]

Hopefully diets will fix it. In PoT their water update spread people out, so hopefully diets will do the same

[still sinew]

Or just ya know NOT have the shitty 2 call system that causes constant frustration in ever group I've been in. If you haven't dealt with having a baba running up to you and two call spam your group and hek up the group dynamic LUCKY U. If people could just group from a server list like before - it was be MUCH more helpful to new players - the fact that people crap on that baffles me to my core- idc that there's supposed to be a horror bent to the game - that's just frustrating and turns off new players. /shrug

[scenic leaf]

i am new but that sounds like it would fix that problem

[glacial quest]

agreed as well. and i don't think the reason they gave for removing the server list was legitimate

[manic flint]

I agree but that doesn't change the problem that people are clumped up

[glacial quest]

@worn epoch I also lag when near land and get this bug. A quicker fix than relogging is to find something small to fall off of, or to swim. anything that changes the state of your dinosaur from "standing on the ground" briefly.

[worn epoch]

Tysm, bug annoying af

[glacial quest]

yeah i hate it also

[still sinew]

What do you mean "clumped" exactly? Because people will always pool at points of interest because that's where the action and subsequently - the FOOD is. nb4;; "but herbivores" refer back the "where the action is".

[manic flint]

I mean that there are certain point in the map where everyone is and the rest of the map is more or less empty. When the herbis are more spread out, the carnis will also become more spread out. There will still be points of interest, obviously, but not as pronounced as they are now.

[still sinew]

it'll probably always be a thing - we could spitball a thousand things - but players will always group up and specific common - easy to access locations - where the action and food is

[glacial quest]

#general-feedback message
I agree with points one and two.
The issue with point three is that you can't really make a "safe" place for smalls, as utahs can fit into most tight spaces anyway. It'd be alright to have semi-safe areas if it were possible, though.
Hard pass on point seven. You can currently cross the map in one flight as an adult ptera. Frankly, ptera's stamina (or at least flight range, through other measures) should probably be nerfed.

[paper oriole]

Pteranodon doesn't need more stam, it isn't hard to manage your stam the way it is.

Also more AI is already planned

[lapis tree]

@barren zephyr
This would look great if anyone was to make a cinematic or trailer for the isle

Other than that I agree with it

[limber hull]

@weak ermine i think that's more to do with the dinos being underplayed due to being kinda shit

[weak ermine]

they are not really shit, i mean the only time i died as them was when i got bored and got myself killed. They can survive just fine. Its just that without being able to socialize they have no real purpose in the game.

I was going for long swims just for something to do.

[urban flax]

It's a lack of mechanics rather than a lack of socializing (btw the lack of socializing because of the fact nobody plays them because of the lack of mechanics)

[weak ermine]

what do you mean mechanics? like nesting?

[urban flax]

For example

rn in the game the only thing you can do is grow then go kill things

Since dryo and hypsi aren't made for killing things and hypsi can't even grow, they get boring fast

[limber hull]

Burrowing for dryos, for example, would massively boost the dryo population

[paper oriole]

herbivore local chat should be a server option for community servers imo, since there are often rules on those servers to regulate deathpacks

[weak ermine]

as a utah or ptera i had good fun running around just meeting people and talking

[limber hull]

Hypsi being more arboreal like the herrera, would make it more popular too

[weak ermine]

just eating fish/ai

all species local might be fun for trash talking lol

[limber hull]

creates an easy avenue for teaming tho

[paper oriole]

all species local and global wouldnt hurt as an option for sandbox servers, i do hope they reconsider when adding sandbox back in, even if it's only on sandbox

[glacial quest]

definitely this

[mental marlin]

see that im fine with

[safe galleon]

@barren zephyr deino already has that

[urban flax]

Troodon shouldn't have stun resistance against teno

And I'm pretty sure all dinos that deserve passive abilities are getting them

[paper oriole]

Having resistances against other dinos in matchups is stupid, and look at troodon, he's so scrappy it would be stupid to give him any tank like abilities like stun and damage resistance

[urban flax]

I doubt troodon would survive a single tenonto tail slam anyway... So it might aswell get a 100% stun resistance against teno's tail slam, it wouldn't change anything

[paper oriole]

Troodon gets stunned... permanently

[desert tendon]

@barren zephyr i agree with the herbivore chat but not the carnivore chat

carnivores dont make as much sense because they will pretty much eat whatever creature they can find regardless of species

[barren zephyr]

Cope

[urban flax]

I'm saying the opposite. Carnivores and herbivores doesn't deserve a different treatment. If there is a mixspecies chat for herbies, then carnis deserve one too.

[worn pumice]

makes no sense why herbis would need to mix pack

i have no issue with very specific situations such as a dryo grping with stegos or some other big herbi

but we dont want massive mega packs like trikes shants anky etc

it just becomes too op

herbis are just as strong or even stronger then their carni counter parts

[weak ermine]

dryos and hypsis get killed by juvi utahs

you play as one and have no one to talk to because you are the only one playing as a small herbivore. having them be able to at least chat to tenos and stegos might make playing as them less boring and lonely.

[worn pumice]

go find ur own species

theres no reason herbis need an exception to the rule

[weak ermine]

when was the last time you saw a player as a dryo?

[worn pumice]

yesterday

[weak ermine]

who are you going to talk to?

[worn pumice]

what does that have to with mix species chatting tho

thats just a game issue rn becuz certain species r picked much more then others

it doesnt validate having inter species herbi only chats

[gritty helm]

a herd chat or herbies being able to create herds through an improved grouping system would actually help simulate the more social aspect of herbivore gameplay and would be beneficial for herbies that are reliant on others to protect them since they don't have much going for them in terms of fending for themselves. it would also be an added incentive to actually play herbivores since..they don't really got much going on. now if you say "bUt wHaT aBoUt cArNiEs" carnivores are typically more solidarity in nature or only interact with their own species so they don't really need anything like this. Omnivores, however, are in a tricky situation as they are the ones that could easily abuse this kind of feature if they were to also get it. The other tricky thing is figuring out herd limits and how that works

it'd also be beneficial for herbies that frequently cross paths due to diets

[jade schooner]

@sharp apex Not the right place to ask. Better bring it on #401464048610312195. But to answer your question: in evrima there's only those dinos. No more have been implemented yet

[solid wedge]

@sharp apex u cant only in legacy

[jade schooner]

And if you're playing legacy, the wide roster can be accessed in sandbox mode, not survival

[clever thistle]

just lost a full utah to lag

[sharp apex]

how do i play in legacy?

[solid wedge]

go to steam, right click on the isle, head to betas, click evrima and then click none, your game will update

@sharp apex

[sharp apex]

where exactly do i right click on it?

[solid wedge]

just in the library

then properties

then beta

[jade schooner]

Check #pinned-troubleshooting and there's a tutorial on how to change to evrima (and it's basically the same, but choosing None)

[sharp apex]

thanks you guys been trying to figure this out for a while

[solid wedge]

no problem

[versed zodiac]

so what is bad with chile?

[urban flax]

It's useless

And we already have a lot better candidates for the tiny arboreal herbi niche

[hoary dawn]

it just wouldn't be the best use of time and resources to add an arboreal dryo

[scenic leaf]

ok no one wants the map but why not the sound visualization, it could be sudden vibations in place of the compass

[barren zephyr]

Okay there's a huge problem of the rocks being super janky. I've been killed twice cus the rocks have there weird thing where u can't get over them sometimes. I got trapped and couldn't get out cus of this 4oc problem and a stego that was bullying everyone killed me

[hoary dawn]

they should just improve the sound system so you can tell what direction its coming from like in legacy

evrima sounds have always been funky like that

[hybrid matrix]

bc u cant see sound

like I always kill my own said, they should just improve the sound system

[still sinew]

Just came across a player that was able to follow me through a forest when while I was crouched and mudded, I would literally lose him in the forest and he'd just stop and bee line it to me - even behind a rock and a log -- is there something people are doing to see through the brush and foliage/rocks?

[hybrid matrix]

yeah ive heard about a foliage hack

[still sinew]

oh kool - love that

he was also already on me when I logged in so ya know free hits for them

[hybrid matrix]

actually, mightve been an admin

not sure wut admin powers there r in game rn

but ik that in legacy admins could see the nametags of everyone

so they mightve been abusing that

[still sinew]

okay sure but why do that? they can also just give themselves health and food ect? why chase down a fresh spawn?

[hoary dawn]

i agree the herbivores should have varied diets, but cow simulator would be terrible for gameplay

[hybrid matrix]

fun

[hybrid matrix]

actually there's a lot of players that would love a cow-simulator
myself included
only bc its a chance to relax in an immensely stressful game

a cow sim would be perfect for laid back players

[hoary dawn]

its basically afk growing

[still sinew]

ehhh if you say so - but givin I was on officual I reallly doubt it - I mean just because you'd abuse that orthink killing freshies is fun doesn't mean we can expect others to act the same

[hybrid matrix]

not if the grazing diet is only available in the adult stage

[hybrid matrix]

oh it was official?

[still sinew]

indeed

[hybrid matrix]

also i didnt kno u were freshly spawned

i thought u meant that u logged in

its boring killing babies

[hybrid matrix]

i only do it for food

[still sinew]

That - and their not worth much food

[hybrid matrix]

#general-feedback-discussion message

anyway, i gtg
idky they killed u

[still sinew]

it's not the why I'm concerned about it's the how

[still sinew]

I've noticed on 5 dif carno grows that I take damage and my +bleed pops up and gows away right around 12% and keeps going until about 20-24%

it's happened on official EU4 , EU6, NA4, and NA3.

[quiet estuary]

I am pretty sure its a bug caused by your carno when it grows the blood doesnt grow with it automatically

So lets say you are 10% carno with like 100 bleed points
when you go up to 11% yous till have 100 bleed points but itll be 100/105 due to the fact you just grew

[hybrid matrix]

@glossy ingot ben is already confirmed to be canon
so he will most likely be akin to a strain, where u have to work REALLY hard to play as him

[glossy ingot]

Yessss xD thanks hahah

[hoary dawn]

dead meme

[paper oriole]

I hope Ben is just a failed experiment floating in some merc lab

[hoary dawn]

i hope people know the creator of ben hates that its being made a thing because the joke was done to death already

[paper oriole]

Yeah its pretty dull at this point

It was cute for a while but i dont want to see it running around in game

[swift dew]

Same, I want dilodog, ben, and a regular dilo in cryostasis in a merc lab. kinda like showing that the mercs were working on dilophosaurus before whatever shitshow happened on the island happened

[paper oriole]

Like it wouldn’t look too out of place to have some mutated freaks too failed to survive preserved in the stasis chambers with pet names dubbed to them by the mercs, but seeing them actually running around would crash the atmosphere of the game

[lapis tree]

What is Ben

[paper oriole]

Its the short spine syndrome tailless dilo meme

This thing

[lapis tree]

Mum says it’s my turn on the Xbox :

[hoary dawn]

there were actually funny ben memes at one point, but now they're trapped in the limbo that is the isle memes channel

[still raptor]

Also known as the bandwagon

[still raptor]

Ben memes were never funny. Thats why they got banned

[hoary dawn]

there was a brief couple hours

when it was good

then vanilla came

[paper oriole]

repeating the same feedback that others have been putting in the server for weeks and then upvoting your own suggestion

[hoary dawn]

they also reacted to their own post with 🇳 ⭕ for some reason

and now its gone

[paper oriole]

sus

[hushed island]

@hoary dawn u mad?

B)

[hoary dawn]

more confused really

[hushed island]

I just want the devs to see that more than a few people are complaining about it so they hopefully fix it by next update. The game is unplayable for me at this point

I like the game just as much as everyone else, been playing it for a few years. Game breaking bugs that make the game unplayable are kinda boof

[hoary dawn]

neat

but why the 🇳 ⭕

[hushed island]

Cause the reaction shut

[hoary dawn]

ahhhh

[hushed island]

You can’t silence the silent majority

We are S T R O N K

[paper oriole]

You arent really the ‘silent’ majority when there are like 500 “fix lag” feedbacks lol

I miss when there was an actual suggestions channel

[hushed island]

I will die on this hill

[warm flame]

wait Charius is the community dino? when'd this get confirmed?

[barren zephyr]

Filipe just did like ten minutes ago.

🍒

[quiet estuary]

on dondis, tapwings, and the isles twitter a couple minutes ago

[sonic mural]

@quaint onyx just go to center and scavenge

[sacred sable]

@solid wedge Why do Isle players think Quetzalcoatlus is the only pterasaur that can carry prey, any pterasaur can carry prey in their mouth as long as it is not too heavy for the specific pterasaur to carry.

[hoary dawn]

its the only one that'll be able to carry stuff in the game

cuz most dinos are too big for ptera to carry and the only other pterosaur info we have is that a smaller one will be added

[patent garden]

cheirus = deinocheirus?

[hoary dawn]

yes

[patent garden]

huh

interesting

[sacred sable]

Yeah that is true but it should atleast be able to carry or snatch small prey like hypsi, hatchlings, juveniles and other small dinosaurs

[hoary dawn]

maybe like a compy or something

[sacred sable]

Relax Pteranodon is not that small dude XD

[hoary dawn]

yea but its not strong enough to carry the majority of smalls

[sacred sable]

Your telling this big thing can't swoop down and snatch a juvie utah

[hybrid matrix]

not about volume, its about weight

ptera is 90 kg

[sacred sable]

Juvie utah is smaller than that especially fresh ones

[hybrid matrix]

juvie utah is about 20
it would affect the center of mass too much and it would have to fly upright unless the utah is on its back

same for hypsi

[sacred sable]

how much does hypsi weigh?

[icy lion]

also around 20kg

[hybrid matrix]

also
the juvie utah is alive right?

its squirming

that affects the ptera's balance

[sacred sable]

Well eagles irl always snatch some large animals

[hybrid matrix]

they have GIANT talons

u dont see eagles carrying goats in their mouths

they carry them with their feet

because their feet are made for grabbing

[hoary dawn]

ptera dont really have them grabbing apparatuses

[sacred sable]

Look at this real picture captured

[hybrid matrix]

it has little hotdogs for toes

[hoary dawn]

ptera aint an eagle, its a seagull

[hybrid matrix]

it has big claw on toe

ptera doesnt

[icy lion]

that is... very clearly photoshopped

[icy lion]

like

VERY clearly

[hoary dawn]

show a picture of a seagull carrying something its own weight

[icy lion]

regardless dont post animal harm

[swift dew]

also eagles are adapted for grabing things, and im also fairly certain that is photoshoped. however, eagles do take goats off cliffs but they do NOT carry them, they pull them off

[sacred sable]

Ptera grabbed fish with its mouth so i dont see why it cant grab small dinosaurs makes no sense at all

[hybrid matrix]

fish arent 20 Kg

[swift dew]

those fish are maybe 5kg, that is a big difference to 20kg

[hybrid matrix]

its like saying "i can carry this 5 pound box, why can't i carry this 70 pound box?"

[hoary dawn]

dinos the size and weight of fish absolutely, but a lot of juvies are significantly heavier

[paper oriole]

Did that person really compare maia and tenonto like they're too similar? Lmao

[swift dew]

who? the last 3 suggestions are giant walls that I didn't feel like reading

[paper oriole]

I skimmed through it, they were like “how would we make maia and tenonto different enough” or something

It’s almost like one is designed to fight and the other is designed to shrug moderate damage and run away

Soooo similar right

[swift dew]

we can also add in the fact that maia is bigger than allo

[wet jetty]

Omg what

[swift dew]

maia is a thick boi

[wet jetty]

Well didnt except this, lol

[paper oriole]

Maia is chonkers cow

None of our hadros are as small as tenonto who isnt even a hadro so thats another difference

[tepid river]

Ptera was a relatively delicate creature. Modern birds of prey have specialized bones and muscles, especially in the neck and chest, for grabbing larger prey and killing/carrying it. From what we know about them, most pterasaurs had relatively thin necks not built with muscle in that way, meant to be able to grab, hold, and swallow medium to large sized fish. A struggling utah, hypsii, or other small dinosaur is just too big, heavy, and dense for it to fly with without doing a lot of damage to the ptera too.

It's last I heard a planned thing for Quetz, so the mechanic will be there, just not that particular dino.

[swift dew]

tbf, quetz being half of the weight of utah wouldn't be able to pick up much as well

[paper oriole]

The person who said we have too many dinos upvoted themselves too

[tepid river]

yeah. it honestly imo, seems like it'll be one hell of a system to code and get to work properly, without too much actual mechanical use in the game

we'll have to wait and see

also honest opinion on the roster:
i think having a larger roster, even if there are many similar dinosaurs either in appearance or mechanics, is not an entirely bad thing. itll give more subtle ways for the game to increase the roster and player diversity, but also give the game more longevity as more and more are released over time. say when our normal roster from legacy is fully made into evrima, i dont think it'd be bad to have some animals that are effectively reskins of other dinosaurs. it'd give players something else to try out and in all games there are people who only care about the aesthetics rather than mechanics.

and 'too similar' also is rather arbitrary and often up to personal opinion. mechanics can be slightly different and still lead to massively different play styles, especially as time goes on and things are tweaked or players find new tactics

[steep warren]

Btw discord did not let me finish my talk about natural things that might happen so i will just wait 6 hours to finish 😦 Hope yall like the ideas. ( there a bit crazy and i just was thinking about them)

[vale pawn]

i like 3

you just get bodied by the wind

[steep warren]

XD yes

i was going to add a part about waves in the ocean and how if there too big they might be able to pull u in the ocean if ur not careful depending on the size of ur dinos

but i have to wait 6 hours to pick up where i left off :/

[vale pawn]

relatable

i accidently sent a suggestion when i wasnt finished, so i deleted it and had to wait the next day

[steep warren]

that sucks

[tepid river]

for really big posts i usually just make it in a google doc and share that

[steep warren]

oh

[vale pawn]

welp atleast it did good

[steep warren]

well that sucks but il pick up tmr

[tepid river]

i have a big one i been working on for skin/nesting update feedback based on what i dont like from the legacy version of the game which is why i havent put it yet because its a big boy post

[steep warren]

k i gtg im going to continue the weather and all that stuff tmr, thx for the idea of the doc tho.

[hoary dawn]

that cheirus suggestion is alright but please god do not give it that dewlap

thing looks like a giant tick

[quiet estuary]

Imo the dewlap is fine but yes it does look like a large tick

If cheirus would get a little cosmetic addition of that manner though Ide assume the Isle devs would go for feather quills on its head or some other minor thing though

@tall oasis I dont think they do extensive testing for hotfixes

[tall oasis]

it was a update

[quiet estuary]

or minor updates*

[tall oasis]

and i have to go

[tall oasis]

yes but thats still a update

[quiet estuary]

Its idiotic but either way I dont think they do extensive testing for it

[tall oasis]

wow

[quiet estuary]

As thats most likely one of the reasons it came out so quickly

[tall oasis]

the devs play test this stuff before they publish, u know?

anyways, my brother would like me to play red faction on the ps2

[quiet estuary]

I didnt say they did not

I just say they didnt do it enough to find such a bug

Goodbye

[tall oasis]

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