general-feedback-discussion

[molten tulip]

Is that enough evidence, because right now you really don't have any evidence that says otherwise

[grand sorrel]

Oh, I'm sure it would spawn tons of bugs. What I'm saying is saying "it would be hard because bugs" is a very superficial and short term argument for not implementing something.

I also see no reason it would spawn more than the things listed above, which clearly were, with time, doable.

[swift dew]

even AAA games this early in their development stage will have an asortment of bugs, maybe even worse than what we currently have, its just they don't show this development stage and all we get to see is the game that has been worked on for 10 years

[molten tulip]

"That's why I would say it's unlikely for it to cause more bugs than those systems in themselves."

[grand sorrel]

Considering it's a mish-mash of them, you're correct.

[molten tulip]

For each new mechanic theres bug troubleshooting, making the infrastructures that would prevent said bugs, troubleshooting those new infrastructures to make sure they don't cause bugs, and then the months of adjustment to make sure it works fairly in the game

I really don't think you should expect an indie development team to do all of this for a mechanic that isn't really high priority

I dont think bluebird said when or where but they recall the devs saying it would be too hard to implement, and that's a completely valid choice

[grand sorrel]

I'm sure the new water, considering it's using a fluid system the game has never seen before, was very (if not extremely) hard to implement and offered absolutely nothing to the game other than visual satisfaction.

If the devs really did say that, that changes everything. It would become much more of a long term thing to have when the game is nearing completion

[molten tulip]

Down the line they'll be releasing a mod kit, so maybe someone will make a baby carrying mechanic themselves

Also the water i agree was kind of an unexpected addition, but again it all just depends on what they want to prioritize

Baby carrying may not be something they want, but cool fancy water might be, and in the end its up to them

Their game and money

[grand sorrel]

No doubt, I was just giving a suggestion as to why baby carrying should be considered down the line. If they didn't want us to give our take on the game, there wouldn't be a feedback channel. All we can do is suggest things.

[junior crow]

for the most part my frames have been p good. I seriously think a large problem that is popping up is just how long particle effects last they linger for way too long

I only lag when I enter in new areas or when Im in the swamp/ rivers

[remote karma]

im not the only person with the pure black and red water right?

[glacial quest]

no

[remote karma]

ty

[glacial quest]

#general-feedback message
we need numbers to be displayed on health, food, water, and stamina

...and for health to be displayed at all, without opening a menu

[paper oriole]

pteranodon isn't supposed to be an active predator or PvPer

trolling and hunting juvies and smalls if you're good is enough for ptera, plus it really doesnt look suited for flesh grazing at all

[honest sparrow]

ptera also does relatively decent damage for what its worth

[paper oriole]

yeah it does enough damage to harass people and hunt smalls with lower skill levels than you, though he is supposed to live on fish and carrion so i don't think a flesh graze is at all necessary for him

[hoary dawn]

a competent ptera player can show a stego its place

(me)

[paper oriole]

ive seen a ptera finish off a stego after it fought off a utah pack lol, it was kinda sad

[hoary dawn]

wait

when

where

[paper oriole]

idk maybe 2 weeks ago

on one of the officials

[honest sparrow]

me and a buddy owned a tenonto yesterday as ptera

wait gwt

that may have been

the event

[hoary dawn]

could it be

was it a baby ptera

[paper oriole]

couldnt really tell, i was gliding a ways to the side

[honest sparrow]

was the stego near like a tree

in the plains outside of south

[hoary dawn]

i once finished off a stego as a baby ptera in those exact circumstances

[paper oriole]

it was somewhat close to the smaller shallow river section by some bushes i think

[hoary dawn]

perhaps not then 😔

we were by south pond

[paper oriole]

the one with the ramp deinos climb to get into the pool

[hoary dawn]

it was like in the plainsy area right to the south of the pool

but yea anyway ptera can hold its own if you pick your fights good

any small tier taking on something big is gonna have a disadvantage

[honest sparrow]

no it should be able to farm them for food forever

[dense wagon]

@analog horizon this will just lead to flesh farming

pteras will mixpack with other animals and nip them to get infinite food
since ptera doesnt do much damage at all, this is pretty game breaking

[void jetty]

I feel the whole, finding your friends and partying up system, takes a lot of the fun out; be real cool if you could just Steam invite them, or ping them with your location by tapping on their name in some sort of lobby player list. Just to make it more fun and less of a chore

[glacial quest]

there used to be a playerlist apparently, but they took it out because people were being 'targeted'

[keen dew]

@balmy parrot is a known issue , i have a 2060 TI and i run into the same problem and there are many others like us.

[balmy parrot]

Ye I figured as much. Just sad man. Rubber band is gone but now this

[sour crescent]

@lucid harness au1, right? That ptera behind you was me😂

[lucid harness]

yoo

i murdered like 6 utahs a bit after that

hecking fun

[sour crescent]

Yeah, fun playing with you

[limber hull]

@haughty cliff actually pretty cool ngl

[haughty cliff]

thanks dude

[ionic arch]

Is carcha still confirmed? or for a giga skin/dlc?

or is it scrapped?

[vast wolf]

either scrapped or a dlc skin that wont come in for a long time.

[ionic arch]

if it ever come as a dino then.. we will finally see a spino vs carcha battle, that would be interesting

[vivid needle]

(as deino on shallow water, not moving) is it normal that lmb does not turn water simulation on whereas alt+lmb does ?

[devout sun]

@dark bronze that is 100% logical and makes total sense. Problem is: how is that fun for a utah player. It's a balance thing. And of the firm belief that the community does not appreciate applying logic to Deino because Deinosuchus is just too powerful for The Isle.

I'm gonna have to attempt to give a reason besides "balance" though because from my own experiences that's annoying. Right now utah pounce does mainly bleed, and not much raw damage. With Deino's massive health pool the damage is basically futile. Deino also has an amazing resistance to bleed, and the amount of pounces a utah would have to land in such a short time to even phase your blood pool is huge. Deinos don't die of bleed, not really. It's the only thing that utah pounce has. Deino can also swim into water like everything else to get a utah off, except it's also at home there and primed for a counter-attack, unlike everything else. Deinos can also flip around fast and chomp down hard, meaning that if you drop off of a pounce as a utah your not getting away without getting bit. In conclusion, Deino literally hard counters everything about utah pounce, there's no need for more.

And for the counter-argument of "if it's already so good why not just make it look cool?"

Work. It's extra work on a mechanic that doesn't need to be added, and time that could be spent on important things like diets, ancestry, new dinosaurs, and even humans.

[vivid needle]

No matter how many times i relog, dino is just gone :/

[honest sparrow]

@ionic arch dilo was confirmed to have a jump a while back

[ionic arch]

Just saying

[fading fjord]

Wrong, wrong , wrong Viper

[mossy minnow]

pleas repair this

[safe galleon]

do you look what chats you talk in?

[ionic arch]

@alpine pumice why not dead saw fish on the shore of the beach

[safe galleon]

saw fish?

[ionic arch]

Yeah

[ionic arch]

These

[safe galleon]

yes I know what a sawfish is

[swift dew]

@void jetty I got that bug sometimes too, all you have to do to fix it is to fall

[mighty crater]

How bad is the stability right now?

[ionic arch]

Is the flooding system still planned? I mean it'll be cool and I remember that it's worked on one of a dev stream

[hoary dawn]

flooding wasn't planned, dried up water sources were what was tested in that stream

neither are confirmed

[left nacelle]

Pretty sure droughts are 100% confirmed. Floods aren't tho

Devs have said multiple times that droughts will be easy to add. All they need to do is move the water up and down

Also @tired wagon, that description sounds just like Austro imo

[tired wagon]

But it's cooler

[left nacelle]

That isn't a good enough reason to spend thousands of dollars on a new animal lol

iirc adding a new animal costs over $7k

[tired wagon]

So I think that carnu and austro would have different habitats, with austro being in plains with rivers, and carnu being in larger bodies of water with smaller amounts of land. The two would have a direct rival relationship since they have similar diets. And when diets do come into play I think that an interesting thing could be to have the two of them be encouraged to hunt each other as a means to encourage that rival relationship.

[left nacelle]

If they live in two different habitats, how would they hunt each other and have a rival relationship?

[tired wagon]

Well not every species would be in one spot, some herbis would migrate, some would live in between the swamp and the plains. In some instances the swamp and plains are direct connected, so they can always come into contact by the borders or when hunting and chasing something else.

[left nacelle]

But what would be the point of Carnufex? There isn't really anything unique about it

[tired wagon]

Land and water pack hunter that has a direct rivalry with another species. Think of it as utah and dilo. Utah hunts at day and dilo at night, right? Well carnufex is the dilo to the austro's utah. Maybe even possibly getting to be a night hunter too. But still. It'd the more aquatic hunter and austro is the more terrestrial hunter.

[safe galleon]

but utah and dilo also fills seperate niches

carnufex and austro just do the same thing

[tired wagon]

Carnufex can hunt larger game than austro

Austro can have larger packs

[safe galleon]

is that all? one has a little bigger pack and the other can kill slightly bigger creatures?

[tired wagon]

Possibly nocturnal

[safe galleon]

so troodon?

[tired wagon]

Venomous nocturnal hunter

[safe galleon]

so dilo and troodon?

[tired wagon]

But troodon has nothing to do with carnu

Troodon has no reason to hunt fish

[safe galleon]

so make carnu into troodon but also make it catch fish?

[tired wagon]

No venom

Different locations

Aquatic

[safe galleon]

so austro?

[tired wagon]

Larger packs

Day hunter

Also different location

[safe galleon]

different locations?

[tired wagon]

Carnu is in the swamp and austro is near rivers

They sometimes link, yes, so they are encouraged to hunt each other

[safe galleon]

what makes them stay in those locations?

[tired wagon]

Diets

Obviously

Like dude that was a whole thing

[edgy pendant]

I was reading through the official server rules and was curious about the implementation of those within the game. Are there plans of making those rules game side instead of just meta rules? Is that even possible?

[safe galleon]

so make a new food just so we can have austro but in swamp?

like austro just does all this

[tired wagon]

[lapis tree]

Adding something new that’s basically Austro seems stupid

[tired wagon]

I literally explained that already

You do know how the diet system works right?

[safe galleon]

but why not just have troodon?

austro I mean

[tired wagon]

Because in real life there are animals that hunt the same things that have rivalries

Think of lions and heyenas

[lapis tree]

Hyenas eat the scraps and take lion carcasses

[left nacelle]

Eventually there will be mechanics added that make rules unnecessary. For example, there won't need to be a "no cannibalism" rule or something because cannibalism will be bad for most animals in the future

[lapis tree]

Also lions are scared as hell of hyenas

[safe galleon]

so make a new creature for thousands of dollars so it can have competition? yeah sure, it's not like deino, bary, sucho, beipi and other more terrestial creatures are competition enough

[tired wagon]

Beipi is a herbi, first of all, deino is huge, goes for big game, and stays in the water, sucho hunts fish almost exclusively, and bary hunts larger things than carnu

[edgy pendant]

That’ll be nice. I was in a Noobz server last night and there were a lot of rules, which all made sense, but the sheer number of them was stressing me out because I was afraid of accidentally breaking them and getting banned.

[left nacelle]

Yeah. I personally just play on official servers. The rules on there are all common sense and make sense with the game

[lapis tree]

Beipi is a Omnivore not a Herbivore and your forgetting the growth stages of each thing as juveniles hunt different things from adults

[left nacelle]

At least i think officials still have some rules

[safe galleon]

beipi is omni, deino still eats fish and terrestial creatures, and not very big creatures actually because from what we've heard it's more likely to go for dibble sized prey. Bary hunts fish and terrestial creatures, like baru again. Also forgot to meantion sucho, another fish eater

[tired wagon]

Sure, it's an omnivore, but it isn't meant to actively hunt larger things

[edgy pendant]

Are they EU based because I’m in the US.

[left nacelle]

There's official servers for the US, EU, AU, and BR I believe. So you can play on US ones

[tired wagon]

I literally stated that sucho is a fish eater

[left nacelle]

On the server list if you search "Official" they'll come up. Their names are a much darker green to prevent people from making fake official servers

[tired wagon]

Read before saying shit dude

[edgy pendant]

Great! I’ll look into them tonight. Thanks! 👍🏻

[left nacelle]

Np

[safe galleon]

carnu is just a mix of a bunch of other creatures, it's not unique and add nothing new, aside from diets which aren't unique or special to begin with since there's multiple creatures that already hunt fish and land based prey, what abilities does carnu have?

[tired wagon]

So if carnu is so redundant, why do we have both bary and sucho? Allo and Alberto?

[left nacelle]

Bary and sucho are two very different sizes, two different niches in the ecosystem. Same with allo and alberto

[tired wagon]

Same with carnu and austro tho

And allo and alberto have the same habitat

[left nacelle]

Not really tho. Carnu is around the same heights as Austro

[safe galleon]

allo uses it's massive fricking arms to pick up prey and is a endurance hunter iirc. Alberto is a ambush hunter that bites shit.

[left nacelle]

??? We don't even know what their "habitats" will be

[solar peak]

bary and sucho are planned to be different creatures, with different sizes, carnu and austro are pretty much same sized

[left nacelle]

Plus allo is getting a grapple. It'll be a sauropod hunter along with an endurance hunter

[tired wagon]

Well irl they would both chase down their prey in big open field like areas

[safe galleon]

anyways, please say what unique abilites carnu has?

[left nacelle]

The animals in The Isle aren't the same as the ones irl tho

[safe galleon]

irl really doesn't have anything to do with this game

[glacial quest]

i guess #general-feedback is the new help channel? lol

[hoary dawn]

bruh ask yall questions somewhere else

[tired wagon]

Well I thought maybe it could have a lunge, not like deino's just no other word that really works. Maybe tackle? Eh idk. But think of kapro in ARK. It jumps at you and carries you around. It would be too small to actually carry most things, so it could latch onto tennos n stuff like a raptor. Since it's depicted bipedally and quadrepedally it could have a way to switch how it runs. Allowing it to go faster while on 4 legs and sacrifice stam, and then switch to 2 legs to be more stamina efficient but sacrificing speed. This could help it work as a chaser, and an ambusher.

[left nacelle]

@fiery wraith If it's exploitable, then don't post in the discord lol. Try and replicate it and record it, then report it

[icy plover]

That sounds like a cool idea, but Filipe said we are currently creature locked. (Meaning no new creatures will be added to the roster) We already have 56 playable creatures in the lineup, plus mercs and tribals. I think that would be a pretty neat creature to add in with mods though later down the line.

[lapis tree]

Would mods be added

[icy plover]

They said they will have mod support once the game is finished

[tired wagon]

Legit, legit

[still sinew]

Has sniffing while crouched been suggested? Is this nono territorry orrrr?

[icy plover]

I haven't seen any sniffing when crouched suggestions, from what I can remember. Would be kinda nice if you could tho

[hoary dawn]

i mean

community dino

[icy plover]

Thats likely already in the 56

[hoary dawn]

yea

there is a decent chance that kapro is the community dino, at least its in the top 10 most likely

[icy plover]

Possibly. I wasn't really there when the community dino stuff was voted on, so I don't really have any opinions on what it could be lol

[solar peak]

there wasn't voting for that

and I don'r think kapro is possible

[icy plover]

Well like I said I wasn't there lol

I just had the impression that it was decided a while ago

[solar peak]

while there were some ppl that liked it most them didn't even know how small it was cuz of ark, so overall ppl preffered presto

and here we are with ppl saying most possible choices are prestosuchus, deinocheirus and pelagornis

[hoary dawn]

yea those are the top 3

i hope they hurry up and reveal what it is

[solar peak]

tarbo is top 1 as the meme

[solar peak]

it was stated in the most recent devblog that community creature is close to leaving concept phase

[hoary dawn]

🤞

its gonna be pela and im gonna be sad

[icy plover]

[solar peak]

I hope for presto so I will be probably dissapointed too

[icy plover]

Yea pela feels kinda weird as a suggestion to me. Kinda hoping its not that either

[fiery wraith]

I deleted it but I'm not learning how to record/downloading stuff for that report. They should allow text descriptions lol.

[left nacelle]

Just download a recording software and start it up lol

My computer even had one pre-installed when I got it

[wintry monolith]

Shadow play?

[fiery wraith]

k i tried to replicate it and honestly can't. think it was a fluke with the ragdoll physics so nevermind!

[kind kraken]

Have they posted an update on the rubber-banding issue? The server I play on has been closed because of it.

[fiery wraith]

don't think so but the official servers are running fine. wonder what's wrong to make others bad

[ionic arch]

I know you guys will say that those images are blurry, I am sorry...

[fiery wraith]

I had no idea the vegetation was server reset related and not on a timer. That's not good lol.

[drifting radish]

I like how like 99% of my suggestions are all map related... kekw

[compact hare]

Map suggestions are the best

[vale pawn]

they are

[glacial quest]

keybinds between flight and land aren't separate and, in some cases, nonconfigurable (ptera's dive can't be rebound). gonna post about it when i'm allowed to (2hr cooldown), if anyone wants to beat me to it that's fine too

[pale schooner]

I hath been tagged

Glad to have been an inspiration @blissful onyx ! Looks great

[blissful onyx]

thanks! It was refreshing to branch out from my usual feathered stuff

[ionic arch]

Dio there is no reason to put a thumb down because yes the sounds is too loud but at the same time...

@distant maple it's really stupid to see carno teaming up with Utah or other species and I agree but Carno were cannibals so they can't have stats debuff

[distant maple]

its just in that situation its frustrating to see that two adults would rather turn on each other instead of going for the avid prey around them

[swift dew]

@stark patio that isnt hacks that is a bug, its already well known

[real bison]

anyone else find the desync bad enough you basically dont want to play? I can't seem to find a server that doesn't rubber band me everywhere, yet some people seem to be fine. dont get it

[inner tide]

@distant maple it will always be like this in official servers, the mixpacking shit i dont agree with but getting killed off spawn is just how the game will be if the bigger person wants to kill u. and try to avoid hotspots, i only go there if i need food.

[edgy pendant]

Are there no server rules for Evrima?

[hoary dawn]

there are servers with their own rule sets, but officials do not

[edgy pendant]

Are the official servers more for just play testing?

[hoary dawn]

they're for playing the game

not really any encouraged way to do it yet

[edgy pendant]

Sure, that makes sense. When did they launch Evrima? Not that long ago, right?

[hoary dawn]

its almost the 1 year anniversary

[barren zephyr]

Fun fact, I share a birthday with evrimas launch

[edgy pendant]

And is there a way to group up in Evrima yet?

[barren zephyr]

2 call someone

[hoary dawn]

yes, but this is the feedback discussion channel

questions about the game are for #401464048610312195 n stuff

[edgy pendant]

Oh, my bad. I forgot where I was.

[barren zephyr]

Ngl my alt attack suggestions probably the smartest thing I’ve come up with

[tawny juniper]

july 11th I think right

[barren zephyr]

Actually it’s the 18th

[tawny juniper]

ah

[barren zephyr]

19th for those who don't live on the western side of the world

[barren zephyr]

Yeah lol

so basically, 346 days ago Evrima launched

which is crazy

[sonic mural]

@barren zephyr Lol crouching in the water is just as dangerous as getting chased by something bigger than u on land, deinos or any other sub aquatic Dino coming into the game would kill u easily that way, I’d rather take my chances hiding in a bush from a bigger player than going into possibly deino infested water

[barren zephyr]

Let’s be real, all water is deino water

[edgy pendant]

Where do we do reports for being stuck?

[tawny juniper]

#🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[sonic mural]

Yep lmao

@plucky ridge wouldn’t that just be easy food for smaller dinos? and seeing how ppl are in this game they’d kill a small Dino after it’s done or on sight😂

[paper oriole]

The dinos that are small enough to do that (like compies) getting a ‘free’ snack wouldnt be much harm since they arent very impactful on the ecosystem, but this would probably just be people luring compies just to kill them for fun and its not really worth adding

[stoic lichen]

jesus

[barren zephyr]

yes

[plucky ridge]

It could be but you’ll loose the perk and someone that does do it will be stronger then the person that decide to eat the little Dino. 😅😂

[paper oriole]

They probably wouldn't even eat it, theyd just trample it or bite it

Plus adding a perk like this for one faction that already takes up the vast majority of the population is unneeded even if it did just get used by people killing smalls for fun

[plucky ridge]

Just make the animation long enough so the lil guys can get away. 🙂

[paper oriole]

So lock the large dinos in an animation, leaving them vulnerable to a free attack?

[plucky ridge]

That’s the risk of getting a perk

[paper oriole]

Compy pretends he wants to give you a perk, his big buddy hides nearby, he uses your locked animation to have his friend get the jump on you

Ez

It would totally happen

[plucky ridge]

True but that’s the risk

For sure

[paper oriole]

Just seems like it is not worth the trouble

[plucky ridge]

I guess I like the risk but I could see that people would choose not to use it.

[quiet estuary]

If I remember correctly there was mention of an emote system with one of the emotes being something of this manner

In which an unteractable compy will come up and eat something from your teeth

[plucky ridge]

Ya I just figured this could be a perk too

Or another solution would be similar to the cannibal system. If you eat one of the lil guys while they are cleaning you teeth (or a certain time after words)your teeth becomes brown and decayed/weak. This would warn other lil guys not to trust that Dino and alert other dinos that his bite is weak because of his teeth’s condition.

[quiet estuary]

I dont think cleaning your teeth should be something enforced as a mechanic

[paper oriole]

Ok so then the small can hold the big dino hostage when trample comes lmao

If the big would be punished for killing it

Just stand under it to grief

[quiet estuary]

Not really

As what giggles said would only trigger while in the teeth cleaning process

not that I agree with giggles though

[paper oriole]

“Or shortly after”

Certain time after, whatever

[quiet estuary]

Either way its an sadly abuseable mechanic

Which has no real place outside of possibly some cosmetics

[paper oriole]

Yeah abusable from one side, the other, or both. No need for it either

[feral solstice]

What’s the mechanic?

[quiet estuary]

The teeth cleaning thing

[feral solstice]

Requiring to clean your teeth?

[quiet estuary]

At least the way it was proposed

[feral solstice]

Honestly that’s unneeded

[paper oriole]

Dont think the faction that already takes up 80% of a server needs a damage buff ability so it's not worth the trouble to add

[feral solstice]

They’re wild animals eating wild things

Why should they have to clean their teeth lol

Drinking water would be enough

[paper oriole]

Carnivores generally clean their teeth while crunching on bones anyway

So there is no need for a buff or weird ability

[quiet estuary]

I would also like to mention that the entire teeth cleaning thing only occurs with underwater creatures/certian shrimp and not with the stereotypical crocodilians and birds

So, from a realism point of view it is also null

[paper oriole]

Yeah idk why it gets suggested so often

[feral solstice]

Not to mention it adds nothing but unneeded stress

“Oh? You ate this body? Well better clean your teeth! Oh and you’re dehydrated! Better get some water!”

[paper oriole]

Either the big carni uses it to kfs because its bored, or the small can abuse a locked animation or the debuff if the big kills it (using trample)

[quiet estuary]

giggles does

the person who suggested it

Currently, most likely got off

[paper oriole]

Guess they dipped

[quiet estuary]

YOu can see their reasoning if you scroll up in the conversation though

Ide agree with you, but the devs have added somewhat pointless mechanics into the game already
Such as how vomiting currently is somewhat pointless

[paper oriole]

I can understand reasoning for the vomiting, its just not done well

[quiet estuary]

Overeating didnt exist in legacy due to animals not being able to eat when full

[feral solstice]

I mean yeah but you wouldn’t vomit when overeating in a realistic standpoint

Oh sweeet Abby Jesus

Baby

[quiet estuary]

Its me saying that ptera should be able to fly with juvi utahs

Thats what it is

Yes

[feral solstice]

Yes

[quiet estuary]

They do currently

so never isnt technically correct

[feral solstice]

Don’t see how it’s bad

“Muh realism”

[quiet estuary]

Thats where the final part of the suggestion can come into play

I dont see much harm in it even at the sake of realism

[feral solstice]

It doesn’t have the necessary claws to pick it up lol

Atleast flying with it makes more sense

[quiet estuary]

The argument "its just dumb" never was the strongest one

Nor did ptera skim

I can say its ridiculous

[feral solstice]

atleast it makes more sense than picking up a juvie

[quiet estuary]

Ptera wasnt a seagul

[feral solstice]

lol

[quiet estuary]

I too would rather have diving

But

If you wish to compare it to modern birds then you can easily have the whole birds riding other flying birds as an example

Yes

Which is what i am referring too

Ptera is a pterosaur
not a seagul

[plucky ridge]

Well just a thought 🤷‍♀️

[quiet estuary]

While true, one can use the same arguments you used for the pteranodon carrying the juvi utahs to that

"its ridiculous", "its unrealistic"

To pteranodon being different to its real self

And skimming which would realistically, make it topple over when it would try to do that

[feral solstice]

I’d say a seagull niche would be more so being able to drink saltwater while living off of its environment.

Staying kinda coastal

Oh yeah, forgot those exist

[quiet estuary]

If a pteranodon were to skim, it would topple over
That defies the realistic properties of the animal in which are are talking about
Therefore one can say, ridiculous

But nonetheless we are stuck with these subpar choices for the creature

[feral solstice]

Oh god you’re sounding like dio

Yeah fuck that

Anyway

[quiet estuary]

I lack a source at this current moment
But if you think logically an animal which wasnt adapted for skimming, tried to skim, it would fail because the water would make it fall midflight

But the skimming pterosaur old papers were disproven

[feral solstice]

Saying X is ridiculous due to realism while also supporting something that would technically be the same-thing is a no go

[quiet estuary]

at least for pteranodon, not sure of others

It depends on how much of your beak one was to dip in, but the drag would make it fall

[feral solstice]

If it wasn’t adapted it would likely fall into the water

[quiet estuary]

flap up, no longer skimming

But this is pointless semantics

dips beak into water, collapses mid flight

[feral solstice]

Imagine for the first time, dip your beak into the water, while flying, while keeping yourself stable- yeah you’re trolling

Ingame?

Yeah pretty sure we’re talking realistically

And yes you’re trolling

It’s obvious

@quiet estuary Ignore him

[quiet estuary]

Biting ripples is what fishing animals do yes
As ripples give the location of fish on the surface

But that wouldnt be skimming

Correct

Although, I wouldnt mind both skimming and diving

Just make skimming less rewarding

and diving far more rewarding

[feral solstice]

But far more risky

Yeah?

[quiet estuary]

exactly

Diving would also be a more oceanic thing as well

So you can easily make it so pteras preferred meals are there to promote diving even more

yes

[feral solstice]

Dive into shallow water
severe fracture

The deino in the deeper waters:
It’s free real estate

It takes timing which means skill.

You have to practice timing

[quiet estuary]

No

You just wait till the thing pops up

and let go

[feral solstice]

Yeah

timing

[quiet estuary]

the only "timing" is waiting the time for it to pop up

[feral solstice]

It takes skill but not the necessary skill that it should require

It takes little skill

Not none at all

That on the other hand, I won’t argue against lol

[quiet estuary]

An interesting way to make it harder would be to remove the hint, but make it so theres a visual marker like a splash or something when you hit a fish

[feral solstice]

Make the fish swim away if you aren’t fast enough to fish them

[quiet estuary]

I dont think fish schools can actually do that

[feral solstice]

You miss

They swim away

[feral solstice]

Unfortunately

[quiet estuary]

To me fish schools seem like nodes that circle a set area from where they spawn

Not actual ai

thats why its rng to catch them, as they cant be given the intelligence of the larger fish ai

so they are much easier to catch

sadly that would ruin server preformance

More ai = laggier servers

More active ai*

but yea each school would be on average what 8 seperate ai?
lets say theres about 6 schools in 1 river, and the 4 current rivers

Thats 192 ai

[feral solstice]

Performance

[quiet estuary]

That costs money

[feral solstice]

That’s not as easy as it sounds

[quiet estuary]

they should

and the devs should improve their servers

[feral solstice]

Getting better servers requires better coding and surveillance to continue improving the server. This would require multiple tests which shouldn’t be a priority at the moment

But reworking the fish is not

[quiet estuary]

But no matter how good the server is the more active entities there are the more lag itll have

The system they use where ai are only active if players are in a certian range is good, but adding even more ai on top of that would lower quality moreso

It is dumb

[feral solstice]

It is

But

[quiet estuary]

I only learned a few days ago that the large fish actually can run from you

or try to

[feral solstice]

It’s not a priority to improve it at this moment in time

[quiet estuary]

Ide personally say add the basics to other land ai then go back and see what can be improved for previously added ones

They have been looking for a network coder for how long now

Fozsor is working on the game atm I think

[feral solstice]

Not fully I think

Since we’ll

Cancer

Actually the real thing is Brain Cancer

But yes

Reworking schools shouldn’t be a priority until they can better the performance of the servers

And when they have more devs

[quiet estuary]

So never lol

Its been like this since evrima released

[feral solstice]

What

[quiet estuary]

servers degrade over time after an update

[feral solstice]

No

[quiet estuary]

sometimes faster

sometimes slower

BAck then it was just worse

[feral solstice]

I’ve played since evrimas release. After update 1 there was barely, and I mean BARELY any performance issues

Actually it was after one of the hotfixes

But the performance was amazing

[quiet estuary]

Update 1 was fine until later on

[feral solstice]

Sadly update 2 broke things somehow

[quiet estuary]

^

[feral solstice]

That was after one of the hotfixes

[quiet estuary]

The crashes were

[feral solstice]

Before that it didn’t really have desyncs

[quiet estuary]

desync has existed since the game started

both legacy and evrima

Lessened? maybe

But it was still obvious

[feral solstice]

Not from what I’ve seen. The desyncs were almost non-existent until one of the hotfixes for update 1

It was there

But

Not a major problem

Like update 2

Yeah, but like I said, not a major problem.

Now it is

Back then it wasn’t tho lol

[quiet estuary]

I find it strange how the update 3 beta was better preformance wise than 3 and 3.5
At least the later stages of it

[feral solstice]

Yeah

[quiet estuary]

Na5

Na4 was fine pre update 3.5

[hard vault]

#3.5 uptate resume

[feral solstice]

I think it depends on how long servers have ran, or ping. Maybe even a combination

LOL

[quiet estuary]

what even triggers that bug again

[hard vault]

fucking uptate destroyed my croc

lmao

[feral solstice]

I think it has something to do with spawn points and the character screen

[quiet estuary]

Ah

I know I lost my deino on eu4
But it didnt die like that, i just logged on to find it not there after I grew it the night before

Why wipe eu4 but not other servers

My stego on na3 still exists

[feral solstice]

Being too close to the spawn point causes the game to register you as a new player when someone spawns in, and so it teleports you to a “spawn point”, but someone could be selecting a Dino which causes you to teleport you to where the character screen is located.

Something like that

Atleast it seems plausible but this is coding we’re talking about

It could be entirely different

Lol

[quiet estuary]

Code

[feral solstice]

[quiet estuary]

I am a 400 pound person glued to my chair

and i agree with every word you say

and browse reddit constantly

[feral solstice]

Reddit it’s

Redditors *

[quiet estuary]

Implying discord people are any better

Both are subpar at best

Anyways its gotten late here
It has been enjoyable
Toodleoo

[feral solstice]

Oh they’re by far better lol.
Look at it this way: mods don’t stop trashtalks in Reddit while on discord they’re less prevalent since you get bombed for doing so

Have a good one

[minor reef]

It would be great to see a cannibal griefing system implemented. You literally cannot play deino right now without being cannibalized constantly. I've died like 8 or 9 times, and only to other deinos. Literally nothing else has killed me except a carno when I was a juvi. Most of the people playing deino right now have zero patience for playing it and waiting for other players to eat so they're just killing every other deino. Its become frustrating in all honesty. Please implement a cannibal penalty so this stops happening

[hoary dawn]

diets will discourage cannibalism and iirc there is going to be side effects for some dinos eating their own

although it wouldn't really make sense for deino to get side effects from cannibalism since gators irl do it

[minor reef]

Here's to hoping diets do discourage it. They need a really expensive price for cannibalizing, like a reduction to damage taken or reduction to damage given to other players.

[hoary dawn]

nah

[minor reef]

And while real life crocodilians do it, for the game they need to discourage it because there's only so much water. These players hang around spawn areas and eat everyone spawning in, so its really not efficient to cannibalize. It just discourages players from picking deino

[hoary dawn]

it should be discouraged and at most punished by getting sick somewhat like overeating

[honest sparrow]

cannibalism is just a type of survival

[hoary dawn]

deino has to resort to cannibalism more often then most carnivores anyway due to its limited hunting area, diets'll make it so cannibalism is still a last resort, but also just wasting time since you dont get as significant a growth boost as your preferred prey

[minor reef]

That's not a hefty enough penalty. Having an increase to damage received for an hour or more will discourage it immensely. Why cannibalize when you could easily die right after to someone else?

[minor reef]

Well sure. But if you want to encourage playability, it does need to be dealt with. Its going to turn a lot of players off from playing Evrima because a lot of them have been waiting for it

[honest sparrow]

so what you're saying is to never make any form of attacking another member of your species never worth it ever, whether you need food, or if there's a large pack of smaller ones who would like to kill you, you get punished for playing the game, and I should just chat it up with ever member of my own species because even if they do attack me they get 10% more damage taken, and if I fight back, I take 10% more damage, for an hour, there may not be anything else around for miles

[paper oriole]

yikes another one of these

why are there so many people who want to ruin the game to turn it into some chatroom

it's a PvP game

[honest sparrow]

you know how busted it would be if I killed a juvi utah once to get by and got 1 shot by a carno 45 mins down the line

[minor reef]

I think you're reading too far into this dude 🤣

[hoary dawn]

salt mostly

[honest sparrow]

no, I'm just explaining why it sucks, nothing more to it

[paper oriole]

why can't these people just play on their Nycta and IoFT servers with their 5000 rules and be happy with that lol

[honest sparrow]

but no, make me have to 3 call, take 10% more damage, and throw up violently for eating another food source

[hoary dawn]

i think just making cannibalism not worth the trouble unless you need it is a good compromise, your own species should be like any other, you can eat it if you're hungry, but your time would be better spent looking for your preferred food

[paper oriole]

imagine how miserable i could make others of my own species if i could just troll and annoy the hell out of them because they'd be punished for attacking me

it's grief bait

you'll replace one problem with another

[minor reef]

No, you're automatically assuming I have no understanding of realism in the game and you're going off half-cocked as if it should be a blind 10% damage reduction across the board. Obviously they can specify the damage reduction to jerkoffs that kos. If you can't reasonably understand my suggestion then the problem is you, not the suggestion

[honest sparrow]

you stated it as a blind 10% damage reduction, I went off of that, and again, if you fight back, you get 10% more damage taken regardless, because then the game, from my understanding at least, would see you as a koser

[minor reef]

I'm going off of playability. Between the lack of available water and the hyping up of the animal from the devs, you have to encourage playability. Doesn't mean cannibalism won't happen but it'll really drastically change it

[hoary dawn]

deino is playable, it just isn't easy nor is it meant to be

i mean it is easy if you know how to avoid cannibals

[minor reef]

And again you cannot read. It may have looked like a general suggestion but realistically they can make it work without eliminating the realism

[hoary dawn]

but most people seem to not know how to hide

[honest sparrow]

but how

[paper oriole]

does this guy know we have like a quarter of the map and there will be a lot more water to pick from in the future

plus the deino population will go down when there is a bigger roster

[honest sparrow]

that too

on top of water foliage, and balance changes to help deinos in general

[minor reef]

You have some good points. Where I disagree is hiding from them. They like to blend in with a general group and then kill smaller deinos while the biggest ones go after prey.
Other than that, you can't really swim away because of the water ping system.

[honest sparrow]

water sense should be changed

[hoary dawn]

i mean that's on you if you hang out with a larger group of deinos as a vulnerable youth

cant trust anyone

[minor reef]

I agree there. They did a great job there with it though

[honest sparrow]

I feel as though it should be a held down ability akin to smell but that's just my 2 cents

[hoary dawn]

ehhh

i think its better as an all the time thing

[minor reef]

My suggestion is for the current model of the map, but I realize lots of changes are coming. Have they openly said that there will be much more water?

[paper oriole]

well, would only a quarter of the map have water on it?

that would be weird

[honest sparrow]

also more varied types of water

so it won't just be narrow rivers

[paper oriole]

would be very surprising if we got no lakes, ponds and large river systems, and streams in the future

[hoary dawn]

the really wide rivers from v3 dondi please

[paper oriole]

the lazy river with little islands in the center were great

would be cool crossing that with the anxiety of a deino popping out while you regain stam on the patches of land

[minor reef]

You're both right, especially with spino being planned. I just hate the constant map changes. V3 would be fun to bring back with the current model I think

[glacial quest]

i didn't even realize the lack of lakes, crazy

[paper oriole]

i'd assume they havent revealed the parts of the map with lakes so they could force more deino interaction with its release, would make sense as a possible reason at least

easier to test when deinos cant afk in the middle of deep lakes

[hoary dawn]

idk if redwoods are still planned for update 4 since all the roadmap stuff and jace revamping the map, but it will be interesting to see what kind of water sources are in there

[minor reef]

They still plan to have redwoods I believe. Probably delayed but still planned

[rare snow]

if you're 100% submerged as a Deino, but close enough to the surface, you still make a noticeable wake as if you were swimming on the surface, anyone know if this is intended or a bug?

[minor reef]

I believe that's a bug but I'm not sure

[barren zephyr]

Ok so what reason do you see that is a reason why it shouldn't be allowed?

[rare snow]

I hope so, in so many areas when i approach the river shores from the bottom, my wake appears and poof, off they run

[icy lion]

@keen rock if you hold w, the mouse is used for directions

[keen rock]

ah ty, but still would be nice if was auto :3

[safe galleon]

@lofty mountain #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[severe dove]

The only time i can actually play this game now is if i set the settings to be as if i am playing a downgraded version of legacy graphic wise

[sonic mural]

Easy food for sub aquatics and nobody would try to crouch in water anyway and the way the water is now I don’t even think u can crouch underwater without being seen

[rigid bloom]

Work on herrea

[swift dew]

@robust storm why should adult utahs get a new ability because their children have their ability? do carnos have an ability that their children don't have? no they both have the charg. what about dryo? nope they both just have a worthless dodge. ptera? nope, they both have flying (which is only unique for the time being) and skiming. ok what about deinos, nope all stages only have the lunge

[wild stone]

@robust storm I'm not sure I agree with your reasoning to justify this ability, but I've suggested thrashing as a mechanic before. See #balance-feedback message

Adult utahraptor seems bulky enough that it should be able to hang by the throat of some creatures, as an alternative to pouncing, depending on what the creature is. Similar to a wolf hanging onto an elk's neck. For tenonto, I should think an attack like that would be a bad idea since they have weapons on their front limbs. But it could work for certain prey items

[safe galleon]

@spark carbon it’s not doing their job for them it’s just helping them out.
Also makes it more likely the right people will see it

[spiral ravine]

@steep warren here's why your idea is nice but is highly unlikely to be implemented: this is a multiplayer game and the server already has a lot of tasks that require accurate tracking

they want to free up as much power for the server as possible for tracking things like special abilities such as utah pounce, deino grab, and combat, all of these require calculations and server tracking, the more niche stuff they put in the game thats not necessary, the more laggy combat becomes

[barren zephyr]

I mean the first idea might come with gore cause of there being skeltons and such, but the 2nd idea kinda just seems pointless

[spiral ravine]

client-side only features like the new interactive water are always welcome tho, thats down to your gpu to handle it

[hoary dawn]

i think all those things seem very possible

[barren zephyr]

The first one is actually very likely tbh

[hoary dawn]

yea

and herbivores being able to carry plants would be useful for nesting

[spiral ravine]

it could happen, they just need to make like 20 different models for a body

[barren zephyr]

I mean they already are. When you eat you’ll slowly take away parts of the body forming it into a skeleton

[spiral ravine]

the trike body in the hope trailer looks really good

something like that would be nice

[safe galleon]

@teal parrot what were you playing?

[teal parrot]

Ptera this time, Utah other times. Doesn’t really matter, I’m pretty sure the water drain rate on all dinos is 30 mins as of a few hotfixs ago.

[safe galleon]

No they’re all different I’m pretty sure

Plus ptera shouldn’t really suffer from dehydration since it can just fly to any water source and should be close to one at all times since well it eats fish

[robust storm]

i was just wondering seeing as the utah pounce as always been that ability that made it unique and the sense of achievement you got from being able to use it once you had made it to adult. so i was thinking of ideas so the adult's pounce didn't feel less worthwhile👌 but what you say does make sense👍

[wild stone]

Ptera hydration will matter when cross-ocean migration becomes a thing.

[wild stone]

Every animal's ability is improved by growth, though. Utah can pounce bigger things with less stamina - Ptera gets more stamina for flying - Deino can grab larger creatures - Carno can charge larger creatures - Stego deals more damage, and so on.

[swift dew]

and dryo can worthlessly dodge slightly farther

[worn pumice]

Every single ability in the game is the same no matter growth it simply just gets better the more u grow

I see no reason to add even more onto Utah when it has more then enough as it is as 1 hour and 15 minute dino

[hybrid matrix]

@civic sparrow Alt lmb would be a better keybind

but other than that i like ur idea

[civic sparrow]

yee, and ty

[wild stone]

No

Servers seem slightly more stable though. Knock on wood.

[valid elk]

Anyone wanna talk about my idea?

Well...less idea and more like a want.

[urban flax]

I doubt it will work against players

So it can look cool as a skin option, but rather useless

Depends on the pterosaur too, we aren't getting many and it doesn't fit either ptera or quetz in my opinion

[valid elk]

I disagree.

Isle players today scream and run when they see something larger than themselves, even the same species.

[urban flax]

Yet baby utahs attack deinos and stegos on sight

We're probably not talking about the same kind of isle players, and the one you're talking about is a minority

[valid elk]

Imagine you are relaxing, then suddenly some huge red eyes pop up from the bushes. Gonna shit yourself and scamper off...only for a feathered Utahraptor to pull its wings down and relax in that sunny spot you were in a moment ago.

[urban flax]

Actually, after 2 or 3 times I'll be able to tell fake eyes from real ones easily

Also this gives an advantage (if there is one at all) to players who choose to be feathered.

[valid elk]

Could also scare off or lure in AI.

[urban flax]

But how do you tell it's an AI instead of a player ?

[median ore]

If it's a player your bluff won't work, and then you book it lol

[urban flax]

There's the problem
Actually it's 2 problems
1.You have to try the "bluff" to know if you have a player or an AI in front of you
2.You can tell players apart from AI because of the fact you have big eyes on your wings, while every other player has to guess
And that is an unfair advantage, especially in a game where AI is supposedly unrecognizable from players

[wild stone]

What if the player wants you to think it's an AI, sees your wings, and books it? Then doubles back and ambushes you when you think you're safe?

I really doubt it will be that easy to tell between AI and a player who does not want to be identified as a player

[urban flax]

That's a pretty bad mechanic
Faking AI is good for games that are made for that, but not for that kind of game

[wild stone]

Threat displays are a bad mechanic?
What is the "mechanic" part of this?

[urban flax]

I've done it once in an obscure old fps, and it was stupid

Faking being AI is a bad mechanic

[wild stone]

It's not a mechanic, it's a player choice.

[safe galleon]

@median ore they are making a new thenyway and I think remaking old v2

[urban flax]

It's a mechanic if you have mechanics that only works against AI

[wild stone]

There's a whole ass game built on the idea of faking being AI. Have you ever played Assassin's Creed?
Who said it was "only going to work on AI"?

[urban flax]

Are you seriously comparing The Isle to Assassin's Creed ?

You didn't read the entirety of what I said too

[wild stone]

There is a comparison to be drawn, concerning AI. So yes. Why the attitude?

[median ore]

Oh BLESS but. Just. I "grew up on" V3 I'd love to see V3.

[quiet estuary]

Region 2 is being reworked into spiro based on a tweet made by the isle twitter

[median ore]

Someone was mentioning lazy river and I was "hhhh my old lands, pleaseeee"

[quiet estuary]

https://twitter.com/theisleofficial/status/1360337909266620417

The Isle (@theisleofficial)

Caves? ✅
Redwoods? ✅
Reintegrating a version of a fan favorite map inside of Spiro? ✅
Not even putting it on the roadmap because Dondi didn't tell us?✅
Update... 4? ✅

We'll keep you updated as we get updated. https://t.co/rlrk4nTfmZ

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[teal parrot]

Ptera should be able to drink while it skims for fish. That’s most logical. And sensible. And it’s mind bending that it can’t drink while fishing.

[honest sparrow]

no, if you could drink while skimming all you would ever maybe come down to ground for is to piss something off

or maybe mud

[wild stone]

Don't tag me if you're not sending me a reply relevant to the context of the original discussion. I block for that.

[honest sparrow]

but there's no risk in getting hit or worrying in dying when you can get free food and water by holding rmb over water

[wild stone]

Pteranodon is not planned to drink while skimming for balance reasons.

[honest sparrow]

^

[heady prairie]

Indeed, as they said Pteras would only ever then land for either easy scavenged food or for stam, where they can just rest on rocks. Rest of the time they could just skim.

[supple wharf]

when i try to join the server it shows me the pop is 0/-108 and not connecting, any idea how to fix it?

[honest sparrow]

it just makes ptera have even less interaction with the roster as a whole tbh

[hoary dawn]

hi

[teal parrot]

Nope you would still come down to have a nice leisurely drink. Try and put yourself in the mind of a ptera. You can fly. Ur tiny and frail. You can gulp tiny sips of water while in flight but it’s harder to do. You would absolutely drink some water while flying. But you would also sit down to drink and eat when it’s not on the run. It’s kinda like saying, if we give people fast food, they will never eat a home cooked meal. It’s just not true. There are benefits to eating home cooked meals despite how convenient fast food is.

[hoary dawn]

is the water you get while skimming not gonna be healthy or something?

people eat homecooked meals instead of fast food because its healthier and most of the time tastes better

if you get water while skimming (which is not a hard thing to do) then a player wouldn't have any reason to land somewhere they could be in danger

[honest sparrow]

I am a ptera main, and even if you just limit it to small gulps at a time, you have more than enough stam and skim time to just keep taking gulps, why take a full drink and risk it when you can stay out of everything's reach and keep getting water. Its realistic for ptera to drink some water sure, but in terms of balance, no. There's also a study in game design I forget the name but it goes "If you give players an ultimate option with no reprecussions, they will 100% always go for that option", which is essentially what ptera drinking while skimming is

[teal parrot]

Sure but that’s not the only reason. It’s also nice to not eat on the run. Even if it was perfectly healthy most ppl would still want a home cooked meal.
How would a comparable gameplay mechanic be implemented? I don’t know but I have lots of potential ideas.
Most notably, we have the herbivores grass mechanic. They can only graze from grass when they reach a certain hunger threshold.
But let’s imagine for a second that we just let Ptera skim drink to full hydration. My mind is not tripped up by that. Nothing wrong with the ultra fragile bird having the advantages that IT ACTUALLY HAD IRL. It’s still vulnerable while fishing and skimming. I’ve got no problem with it, but from the perspective that playing it might become too easy and thus, boring, I’d opt for a similar model to how the herbivores graze grass.

[barren zephyr]

This is true, but I can see this being combated with semi aquatics swimming up the the surface and being able to bite you when your skimming or it could knock you into the water if they hit you

[teal parrot]

Exactly true. They can already do this you know. Deino take Ptera out of the air from time to time. I’ve had a few close calls that I only avoided because I’m erratic.

[honest sparrow]

Deino having its vertical lunge will help the issue but not solve it

and I doubt bary, austro, beipi, and sucho are going to be jumping out of the water dolphin style

[hoary dawn]

you're less likely to be killed while skimming than you are when you are stationary getting a drink on the ground

[teal parrot]

The other reality with Ptera is that water drinking sources are actually VERY hard to find. If ur a smart Ptera you know that you can ONLY drink from very shallow areas of rivers where you can see deinos coming or lurking a long way off.

[hoary dawn]

survival isn't supposed to be easy

[teal parrot]

So essentially Ptera gets annoying to play with the current water drain rates because ur ALWAYS looking for water. It’s not supposed to be easy but not supposed to be dark souls level of UNREAL and annoying either. Things can be HARD, but congruent with expected reality.

[honest sparrow]

I mean there are plenty of spots on the current map to drink

even in places with deeper water

[hoary dawn]

idk how many times you've played ptera but you are definitely not always looking for water

[teal parrot]

I mean, TBH, all dinos are annoying to play right now cuz all you freakin do is drink drink drink drink every 10-15 minutes ur drinking water. It’s crap.

[honest sparrow]

idk

[safe galleon]

ptera main here, it's really not that bad

[hoary dawn]

it really isn't

[honest sparrow]

I crossed from like northeast to southeast as a carno and only had to stop like once

yesterday

[barren zephyr]

It wouldn’t be dolphin jumping, but swimming up and bumping into the ptera, if it’s skimming and it hits you with its beak it’s gonna fall

[teal parrot]

It really IS that bad for all animals. You gamers just used to playing games and things that radically depart from realism (within reason) don’t annoy or frustrate you. But it frustrates me.

[honest sparrow]

its really not

there's plenty of water

and a huge stretch that is essentially a free drink from deinos because its shallow

[hoary dawn]

there has to be a balance between realism and game design

[teal parrot]

That’s why you say it’s not that bad because ur like, look, water, I can drink. But the fact that the water drain rate is 30 mins doesn’t bother you because ur a gamer and not hung up on realism.

[teal parrot]

I ageee.

[honest sparrow]

aren't you also a gamer?

by your logic

[hoary dawn]

making a playable immortal isn't good game design

[honest sparrow]

^

just have it land for water

[barren zephyr]

See the problem with the shallow end is ptera then will have to deal with things like Utah’s, carnos and let’s say allos coming up and biting when skimming

So ptera would still have enemy’s on both parts of the water

[honest sparrow]

why even skim in those areas tho

[teal parrot]

Not really tbh. I play games but only realistic ones and I get super annoyed at mechanics that are too arbitrary and too inconsistent with reality.

[honest sparrow]

just have them as an option where animals can be safe and get a normal drink, at the risk of other preds lurking there

shouldn't just be hold rmb to get water and food for free

[teal parrot]

This is true and it’s dangerous to skim in shallow water. You can hit bottom and fall and be lunch for a land predator. Lots of survival choices still to make which is good.

[hoary dawn]

just

[honest sparrow]

literally not a problem at all if you know how to press space

[hoary dawn]

skimming is easy

its holding rmb and occasionally pressing space to not crash

[honest sparrow]

^

diving is way cooler

[hoary dawn]

making it so ptera can easily survive off of doing a task that easy is just not good

[teal parrot]

Sure which is exactly the benefit of being a herbi. But the benefit doesn’t kick in till ur scrawny. So I think a decent balance of necessary gameplay mechanics and reality would be to only get water while skimming once you’re below 25% thirst.

[hoary dawn]

its not the same as herbi grazing

[honest sparrow]

relies on water sources to survive for the most part, there is nothing risky about just occasionally holding rmb over the water and filling up no problem

[hoary dawn]

herbies graze when they cant find food and are starving, a ptera would just do it to become immune to danger

[teal parrot]

Ease is not important. RISK is more important. Skimming IS risky. Just, much less risky. Drinking while skimming actually would give Ptera the ability to CHOOSE where they land to drink rather than being forced by dehydration to drink in a place they KNOW they will get eaten. That would be enough of a balance I think.

[honest sparrow]

herbis have it to maintain when they're starving and want to stall while they look for their food which is spread out, and probably a lot less consistent because of diets coming

[honest sparrow]

just fly to another spot lmao

[teal parrot]

No a Ptera would not be able to do that. They would do it when they were dying of thirst to survive until they found a relatively safe place to fill up.

[honest sparrow]

just land

[hoary dawn]

they dont need to fill up tho if they have infinite access to safe water

[honest sparrow]

other than just wanting to see it filled I have no reason to worry about it when I know I can just skim and get it back

[hoary dawn]

also there are already too many easily accessible places for ptera to drink anyway

[honest sparrow]

ptera has the power of flight as well, if it sees that one spot is busy, it can just go to another one

[hoary dawn]

you wouldn't be in a situation where you're dying of thirst unless you don't know good spots to drink

which is why you learn them

[honest sparrow]

^which should be a part of the natural learning process of the game

[teal parrot]

Ok LOOK! Lol. Listen. What I said is, Ptera should ONLY be able to skim drink when their thirst is very low. I suggested MAYBE 15-25%. do you know how much time that is? Just a bit over 5 minutes. So let’s say you skim to bring ur water from zero to 15%. Five minutes later you need to skim again. And again. And again. And again. Very few people will wanna do that. Most will want to find a safe place to fill up, then go about the business of other Ptera things. BUT! The benefit is, as a Ptera, you never have to die of thirst before you can find a shallow spot, if you find yourself far from one and dying of thirst. You can skim to stay barely hydrated until you find a relatively safe area. Judging by the way you think, I don’t think you will see what I’m seeing tho. So you will either have to disagre or take my word for it that I’m almost always right about these mechanics visions. Lol. Like literally, if Ubisoft had taken my game mechanics advice for breakpoint during beta testing they would have saved millions of dollars. They ended up doing everything I wrote to them and said they should do… AFTER they screwed the pooch. Lol.
That said, I know the mechanics of everything in the game in in flux right now so I’m not terribly worried. Just giving feedback.

[swift dew]

well you made a good suggestion, except you gave your own suggestion a checkmark so that is a yikes

[quiet estuary]

So you will either have to disagre or take my word for it that I’m almost always right about these mechanics visions. Lol. Like literally, if Ubisoft had taken my game mechanics advice for breakpoint during beta testing they would have saved millions of dollars
lmao

[honest sparrow]

I feel like your issue is more with the water drain rates. And your point of jubilation is that if you don't have the balls to drink in a deep spot and can't find a shallow spot, you don't die...? Yay?

[teal parrot]

It must have been an accident. But it doesn’t matter cuz ur point is still valid because I DO vote for my own suggestions usually. Which is not yikes at all… lol. Silly to yikes at it, unless you never voted for yourself at any election you ever ran in, maybe in high school or college. Of course you should vote for your own ideas. I hope YOU feel comfortable to vote for your own ideas too.

[hoary dawn]

you can instantly go anywhere on the map whenever you want tho, when would you ever be in a situation where you cant get to where you want before the thirst meter goes down

[quiet estuary]

Pteranodon drink while skimming

[quiet estuary]

Also this which I find funny

Quite

[sonic mural]

Mhm

[quiet estuary]

I personally think if pteranodon would gain an advantage water-wise from skimming it should be keeping it at a standstill akin to grazing

[honest sparrow]

even then you can avoid deinos if you pick up the right signs and can dodge

[quiet estuary]

Yes

[swift dew]

the point of these suggestions is to get it out to see how others think of it. obviously if your suggesting something you obviously want it

[honest sparrow]

(hypothetical deino vertical lunge counterplay)

[quiet estuary]

He is saying that immortality would still occur with vertical lunge

Which is true depending on the circumstances

[hoary dawn]

even when deino vertical lunge is added skimming is still less risky than landing, being able to fulfill all of your survival needs from an easy, low-risk mechanic is not good

[quiet estuary]

You would see the water move as it prepares a vertical lunge similar to how it creates ripples when preparing a regular lunge atm

[honest sparrow]

dynamic water, on top of smelling for corpses, group scent, general knowledge of where deinos like to hang out are all signs where you should gtfo

[quiet estuary]

Depends on the deino there

[teal parrot]

Yes you’re spot on that it’s more about water drain rates. The Ptera skim drinking came up as a side point. But primarily I think the 30 minute drain time is ridiculously unrealistic and needs to be sorted out.
And one more perspective thing, I have plenty of balls, I’m just not dumb enough to drink in spots that get animals killed. I tend to survive a LONG time cuz I’m not taking “balsy” aka stupid risks. Lol.

[quiet estuary]

the 30 minute timer changed

Also it is realistic to an extent

as thirty minutes is half a day in the video game

[teal parrot]

That’s one valid way to look at it. Another valid way is that this is a bunch of people voting. Lol. So vote for yourself mate!

[teal parrot]

Oh bro that’s super unrealistic tho ya know? When was the last time you died after not drinking any water all day? Lol!

[hoary dawn]

when was the last time a pteranodon reached adulthood in under an hour

[quiet estuary]

Its less that you die and more that you will need to drink more than once half a day to stay healthy

[teal parrot]

Ok touché.

[honest sparrow]

A dryo can grow in 1 night

[quiet estuary]

nights are currently 30 mins right

or was it 40?

[teal parrot]

It’s also a factor of eating vs drinking. The old drinking times were acceptable. Challenging but not intrusive or frustrating.

[honest sparrow]

dryo growth is like 30 mins

so

[quiet estuary]

Old drinking tims were thirty minutes

it used to be 45 minute food times
30 minute drink times

they made it vary per species now

[teal parrot]

There are all kinds of solutions I could suggest for fixing the imbalance tho ya know? So many ways they could go with this.

[hoary dawn]

ptera growth is around if not exactly 45 minutes, i think having to drink at least once in that time is reasonable

especially when its near immortal already

[quiet estuary]

The food and water times should change once diets are in based on what you eat and less based on purely time

[teal parrot]

No old old drinking times were 45 mins to an hr, same drain rate for food and water I think.

[honest sparrow]

I think I heard somewhere ptera can grow to 94% or something like that before needing food

[quiet estuary]

In update two it was 30 minute drink 45 minute eat

unless by old you mean legacy

[teal parrot]

I’m hoping they make a more balanced system with diets where nutrition and hydration are tracked independently of satiety. Meaning you would track stomach volume and hydration and nutrition. So you would have to balance your eating and drinking to keep from over filling the stomach, depending on what needs ur trying to satisfy (nourishment or hydration). A lot more interesting and challenging and realistic survival experience than the current lot simple let’s eat, let’s drink, model.

[quiet estuary]

Yes

[teal parrot]

I’m dreaming about having higher drains on nutrients when active or growing, more hydration drain when active, less when resting or imobile, etc, and a balance between the time scale of days passing, and the rate at which nutrients and hydration decrease. I have reasons behind this but it’s complex and I better not bore everyone with the theory.

[teal parrot]

Just went and checked, I didn’t vote for my own suggestion. But I’m about to do it now.

[fading fjord]

I think some of this alr in this version, like when resting youre wasting less food.

[swift dew]

good for you

[hoary dawn]

its not a vote tho

[teal parrot]

That’s food. I haven’t tested this one out much because I got too annoyed at going from 50% thirst to 0% in 15 mins flat. Lol!

[hoary dawn]

putting something in feedback is sharing an idea you have to make the game better, and then seeing if people like it

[fading fjord]

Youre transforming into a 🐸

[hoary dawn]

putting a check mark on your own suggestion makes it look like you're trying to make it look like your suggestion was more approved

[teal parrot]

Dude it’s voting. Plain and simple. A bunch of opinions that people vote for or against for whatever reason we do it. You can vote for your own proposal or you can not. It’s up to you. I vote for my own proposals. Because it’s logical. Nuf said.

[hoary dawn]

its not a vote tho

its suggesting ideas to the devs

[teal parrot]

A frog? Is that a Disney reference? I am pretty Disney movie illiterate unfortunately. Lol.

[swift dew]

its not a vote, this isn't democracy, this is just seeing whether people like your suggestion or not. and it seems pretty obvious to me that if you put out a suggestion you want that suggestion in the game

[hoary dawn]

people put reactions on feedback to show that they agree/disagree with it, you dont need to do that since obviously you agree with your own suggestion

[teal parrot]

Only to you and most every other neurotypical. Lol. Most ppl have their layers of meaning like you just described. But some people don’t think about it like that. 🙂

[hoary dawn]

wha

[fading fjord]

Not Disney reference, 🐸 test stuff & eat them bugs aka QA

[hoary dawn]

yea some people dont think about it like that, and they're the ones that react to their own suggestions and get pointed out for doing so

[teal parrot]

It is a vote. Lol. And of course I want it considered. But having it discussed is more important than anything else. I want the idea to be visible. Voting for things makes them more visible. Also the votes mean hey I like this idea. So it’s like, why wouldn’t you vote for your own suggestion? Seems silly to me to hold back from check marking ur own suggestion.

[hoary dawn]

think about it like a high dive contest, each diver does their best and the judges hold up their number signs depending on how good it was, reacting to your own post with a check mark is like if one of the divers got out of the pool and held up a number for their own dive

[teal parrot]

Aha!!! That makes sense! Yeah I’m for sure a frog. Lol.

[fading fjord]

Transforming

[teal parrot]

Lol that’s so neurotypical. Sure man that works for you. But I don’t see things thru the social competition lense. I’m all about logic and utility to me. But I get why it seems odd to you now.

[fading fjord]

Hypno can turn you into one :frog , with hes magic wand.

[fading fjord]

Just hope theres no Deino on those waters

[teal parrot]

@hoary dawn and thx for explaining that too.

[hoary dawn]

yw, and feel free to explain how its a vote

[quiet estuary]

This was originally in the game, but was seen as promoting afk growing and also made certian juvis starve as they actually did move around before even reaching 10% back in update 2
It was removed for the whole 45 minute food 30 minute water system

[hoary dawn]

see what Hippotenuse just did was a good example of how you can set up your suggestion to be a vote, by putting a checkmark and an x, you invite people to do one or the other, just putting a checkmark makes it seem like you're giving yourself praise instead leaving it to see what other people think

[wild stone]

How do we feel about a small clarification to the roadmap? I for one don't enjoy seeing "Hey again guys. We made 0 progress on our roadmap goals, but trust us, the roadmap isn't accurate anyway!"

[fading fjord]

Understandable, but i feel that, for ex; an adult teno with that "locked health" thingy, if resting, trying to get max hp, isnt wasting the same food&water that a wondering adult teno is.
I think this is happening on this version, but me no :frog: this is something that needs prep&time to test.

Im in this for the blood! :TI_LUL:

[edgy pendant]

Are we able to play multiple dinos between servers? If I play one dino on an official server, am I able to play a different one on a Noobz server and still come back to the official with the previous dino?

[fading fjord]

I dont need it, at this stage, other things to do 1st, just my opinion.

[honest sparrow]

yeah

just make sure to safe log

[edgy pendant]

Great. Thanks.

[wild stone]

The employee in charge of the roadmap is presumably not the same as the developers working on diets. It's not exactly a massive change.

[urban flax]

I don't think there's someone whose job is dedicated to updating the roadmap

I think Punch or Kissen does it

[wild stone]

Yeah. Punch does community management and Kissen and Dondi probably are in charge of the content on the roadmap. Kissen also does animation work, and guess what - diets aren't super animation intensive like a new combat feature or anything.

My point is, it could really be worth it for them to make some time to improve the readability of the roadmap. It's important.

[urban flax]

It's already readable enough for me

I mean- Fungi aren't finished. Ok fair enough.

I don't need to know more

Especially considering they might redo a few things along the way, like they do one model, then they redo it because they realize it doesn't fit in the game

If you want to know everything they're doing, might as well get inside their office

[wild stone]

That's fine. I'm not getting my panties twisted because they didn't add another mushroom.

The frustration is that there have been 0 progess on the roadmap for the past month. That is an issue.

We may as well not have a roadmap if there's misinformation on all relevant sections of the webpage.

[urban flax]

The one we have is good enough

It hasn't been updated, but they explained why
It's good enough

[fading fjord]

Sometimes making a game, requires a clear mind, if you know what i mean, accounting with that even more serious issues, ingame or out of it, might show up with the worst timing and some stuff gets delayed or its just forgot, in sake of the good development of the game.

[wild stone]

I disagree.

[urban flax]

I know you do

[fading fjord]

But your right, its an issue, but maybe the weapons are pointing in another direction atm.

[manic thicket]

can the devs PLEASE FIX the corpse stuck in mouth glitch! i played as a raptor and couldn’t attack, jump, run, they could at least fix that corpse stuck glitch before doing anything too the water. wdf make water texture better before fixing the major glitches.

[mystic atlas]

delete pounce or fix stegos tail how is this in the game

you cant even jumpoff without getting nailed after

[sonic mural]

@turbid mauve u do realize this game is in very early development?😂

[hybrid matrix]

class is a troll
dont bother arguing with them

well

unless ur bored

[sonic mural]

Oh ok lol

[drifting radish]

damn. and here i wanted some tea...

[barren zephyr]

Right so thats what im saying, just because you wouldnt crouch under water doesnt mean it shouldnt be a thing you know what i mean? Its kinda your prerogative to if you wanna risk the water right? - not trying to be a dick or arguing, please dont mistake my tone C:
I would duck underwater to avoid predators if i could. I only stay that close to water if i know theres no Deinos around. I dont see any reasons to not allow it tbh

[hybrid matrix]

@dusty elbow theres plenty of ai
if u cant find any then look somewhere else

[dusty elbow]

no, there aint

[craggy pollen]

Dryos in the fields.

[hybrid matrix]

actually there is

u just have to try

this aint legacy

ur not gonna get spoonfed

[dusty elbow]

what do you want, a biscuit?

Whos a good boy then...

[hybrid matrix]

ur the one complaining that u cant find any food

[craggy pollen]

What is wrong with you? 🤣

[hybrid matrix]

food is plentiful

[dusty elbow]

nope

[vale pawn]

man, free entertainment

[dusty elbow]

i disagree

[hybrid matrix]

ok well have you tried killing other players? I hear there's a lot of those around

[dusty elbow]

you a fkn comedian? make like M jackson and beat it pal, i didnt pull on your string

[hybrid matrix]

[vale pawn]

[hybrid matrix]

i just cannot find the words to describe how much that insult cracked me up

[dusty elbow]

lol

[hybrid matrix]

anyway

i'd like to know what the hell you've been doing that u havent found any food ever

[dusty elbow]

i found like 2 dryos since i logged in today, and killed multiple utahs to keep me going, I ran outta luck, I scoured from N to S and i was left thinking a couple more AI spawners would have been nice...

[hybrid matrix]

So look somewhere else
dont just go up and down one river

[dusty elbow]

but no, you gotta auto imagine theirs a problem with me and how I play, fkn Judy Judy over here

[hybrid matrix]

Judy Judy

[dusty elbow]

dude, i got 1200 hours on this game, I know how to play it, it was some very gentle and polite feedback

[hybrid matrix]

i also have 1200 hours
what's ur point

also

just bc u play the game a lot doesnt mean u kno how to play it

[dusty elbow]

you missed the point? not suprised tbh, gimme that biscuit back

[hybrid matrix]

what point is there to get???

u said "i got 1200 hours, i think i kno how to play"

the last part i just cant deny but even then there's no reason for stating it bc i never said ur feedback was rude

[dusty elbow]

your not just wrong, youre ugly, like your mum

dude, IDGAF what your opinion is, feel free to disagree

[hybrid matrix]

Really? ur just gonna insult me? not even gonna try and counter any of my points?
have u ever won an argument that didnt consist of "yes. NO! yes. NO!"

[dusty elbow]

nope, im not gonna counter your "points" cos its not a worthy endeavour

thank you good night and much love

https://tenor.com/view/talk-to-me-terry-tibbs-terry-on-the-phone-gif-14863726

[hybrid matrix]

so childish

[compact hare]

[hybrid matrix]

can i have some?

[vale pawn]

me rn

[compact hare]

🍿 👈

[hybrid matrix]

thanks

[vale pawn]

we got cornpops

[sonic mural]

@sacred sable wth utahs do use the claw when pouncing basically ur feedback is already in the game😂

[glacial quest]

#general-feedback message
can't wait to see the discussion about this one

[wild stone]

"Before you say pounce..." lol
Nice troll kekw

Although, I wouldn't be opposed to a larger, heavier raptor that used a kick attack rather than a pounce.

I'm not familiar enough to suggest a raptor larger than utah off the top of my head.

[glacial quest]

i've seen the paleos mention a "novaraptor" in this vein of conversation

[hybrid matrix]

they're referring to our current utahraptor

bc our current utahraptor isnt a utahraptor

[glacial quest]

ah.

[wide tinsel]

I really hope they bring back global chat

[glacial quest]

seems a lot of our dinosaurs don't match their name

[hybrid matrix]

FOR THE LAST TIME
MODS

FUCKING MODS

[glacial quest]

it will likely end up as an option for server admins, but it's not coming back (ever) for official servers

[fluid venture]

what is with mods??

[hybrid matrix]

nope

[fluid venture]

ye thatswhy I said PRIVAT servers

[hybrid matrix]

devs said that its only coming back with mods

[barren zephyr]

Y tho?

[hybrid matrix]

its not gonna be a server option

[hybrid matrix]

dont ask me
im just telling u wut the devs said

[fluid venture]

ergh

[glacial quest]

weird

[hybrid matrix]

anyway

why do we need a herd chat

hexed?

im not against mix herds as long as those herds are balanced

[sonic mural]

I think ppl want to be in a big herd and talk to each other basically

[hybrid matrix]

but it makes no sense to be able to communicate with another species of animal

[sonic mural]

True

[hybrid matrix]

@barren zephyr why do we need a herd chat

[paper oriole]

Probably because herbis are boring and socializing was basically their only perk

I can see the balance issues but as a server option eh why not

[hybrid matrix]

vc?

[barren zephyr]

Because mixed herds are gonna happen why not have a herd chat for it

[hybrid matrix]

i dont mean "lets discuss this in vc" i mean use vc to communicate with ur herd

[hybrid matrix]

"carnivores are gonna chill together why not have a chat for it"

same principle

[barren zephyr]

Oh well what if someone doesn't have vc available to them

[hybrid matrix]

then they can pay attention to calls

[paper oriole]

Carnis are designed to kill, herbis have nothing going for them

[hybrid matrix]

thats a problem
except the solution shouldnt be "encourage them to sit around and chat"

it should be to make their gameplay more interesting

[barren zephyr]

Idk about yall but gameplay for me is always interesting

[paper oriole]

How do you make herbi gameplay more interesting? Having the game force me into certain biomes to eat super specific plants aint sellin it for me

[hybrid matrix]

it is
but theres nothing to do unless u pretend that ur doing something to prevent death or smthn

[glacial quest]

this whole "herbis don't have anything going for them" thing is weird to me. the whole point of herbi is to survive against the carnivores that, y'know, evolved specifically to eat you

like, yes, herbis are weaker on average. isn't that the point?

[hybrid matrix]

ew

[barren zephyr]

Wander around the map learn it and find cool stuff to hind in around and from

[paper oriole]

Carnis take up like 80% of a server which takes away a bit of the fun, since herbis tend to get shit on by the devs aside from a few exceptions

[hybrid matrix]

herbivores dont have anything to do

[paper oriole]

What cool thing do herbis get that carnis don’t? There is no encouragement to play that faction unless you already like them

[barren zephyr]

@paper oriole that is why cannibalism is a thing

[glacial quest]

they'll have diets

[paper oriole]

Boring

[hybrid matrix]

actually herbivores dont have to constantly risk their lives for food

[paper oriole]

Both factions will have diets and it doesnt sound interesting

[glacial quest]

herbi diets will have more depth

[hybrid matrix]

i think a better approach is to just give every dinosaur something more to do

bc either way u can just sit around and chat

[paper oriole]

Especially herbi diets which changes from “sniff out bush” to “sniff out different bush that you have to cross the map for”

[hybrid matrix]

but with carnivores u can also hunt things

[paper oriole]

Herbis have minimal quality of life

[hybrid matrix]

which herbivores lack

herbivores dont hunt

[paper oriole]

Imagine how annoying itll be stopping to sniff for your specific plant every minute because only carnis can walk sniff, rearing up and snorting, giving away your location to everything nearby

It isnt interesting, it's just another little inconvenience

[hybrid matrix]

i think that environmental hazards such as overheating would make every playable more "entertaining" to play

[hybrid matrix]

except its a way to pass the time

[paper oriole]

Not really, environmental hazards are cool if you have something interesting that benefits you/your faction

[hybrid matrix]

if ur engaged in preventing ur death then time flies by

it doesnt have to be fun

[paper oriole]

Otherwise its just another problem to deal with on your boring herbivore

[hybrid matrix]

u just have to be engaged in it

[paper oriole]

Both factions get it, no reason to go herbi still

[hybrid matrix]

actually there is
its easier to avoid heat exhaustion as a herbivore if ur constantly sitting around

[drifting radish]

my motto is "if it isnt fun, it shouldnt be in a game" doesnt mean like bouncing off the walls fun, just a lil nifty thing really. at least, thats my take on it

[cyan flame]

No, the point of a herbi is to be hunted. Diets might help solve this, if carnis all get herbis as their main food items and the valuable ones. Combined with them knowing what said herbis eat and thus where they can be found and are likely to go.

[hybrid matrix]

???

wut would that solve

[cyan flame]

What's with the ?? :p

[hybrid matrix]

im confused

[cyan flame]

Oh, it would make herbi life more fun if they were actively hunted? :p

[paper oriole]

That sounds fun, being 20% of the server pop (generous estimate) and having the 80% constantly kill you in droves while you're alone because there are like 5 other herbis on the whole map

/End sarcasm

[turbid mauve]

if happens in life, then it should be emulated within the state of the game, "thats my take on it"

[cyan flame]

That can't be helped, but it can be mitigated with proper balancing of the herbis + the ai. We're not ever going to get a proper ecosystem with players, as much as people sometimes claim, but fixing a gameplay loop, which both "factions" should have anyway, and which should be focused on nesting/elders and all that, rather than running around mindlessly fighting stuff), and then working on adding a proper ecosystem would help out.

[turbid mauve]

With all of its drugery, sham, and broken dreams, it is still be a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy.

[paper oriole]

What

[hybrid matrix]

wut about dying to a deinosuchus when u were just trying to get a drink? thats not fun

[paper oriole]

Getting jumped by a deino can be a fun shock but not when there are 40 of them on one server and it happens nonstop

Obviously this specific problem will resolve itself

But it is fun on occasion

[drifting radish]

^^ all in moderation my friend

part of the survival appeal.

[hybrid matrix]

its never fun bc theres no fight

u just die

thats it

the fun part of dying is the fight

if theres no fight its no fun

[drifting radish]

so be more careful where you drink i suppose. sure, but that happens all the time anyways, happened in legacy to. playing a dryo for example

when is that ever fun

theres never a fight lol

[hybrid matrix]

yeah ik

but by ur logic deino shouldnt be able to lunge bc its not fun getting lunged

at least

thats how im interpreting ur viewpoint

[turbid mauve]

im sikc of being posied

🧐

[paper oriole]

what

[turbid mauve]

nevermind

[paper oriole]

you're an odd one, class

[turbid mauve]

poised*

ah shit i thot i spelled it wrong

wait i did

my mind acting up

[turbid mauve]

odder than those whose footsteps have long vanished.

[paper oriole]

[cyan flame]

What are you on about Class? :p

[oblique crane]

this again lmao

[paper oriole]

ramen been typing for a while

im scared

[drifting radish]

so like... its hard to write out and not have it turn into an essay but ill try and chop it down haha.

your example was getting lunged at by a deino so ill use that throughout. The issue with it is that atm 80% of servers are deinos, crowding every river and body of water they can fit lil grubby bodies in, so chances are, youll get killed unless you are a stego. generally if we had a spread of more playables, there would be less getting lunged at. some things get killed anyways, thats just how it is, stego and deino are the strongest in the game atm, and while getting lunged at isnt all that fun, neither is getting impaled or camped by a stego ya know what i mean? im trying so hard to make this a fleshed out point lol.

TL;DR -- doesnt need to be incredibly fun, but at the end of the day, you got yourself killed (be more careful, tis a survival game :))

OOF

im sorry

im trying to make it fleshed out and coherent?? IDK MAN IM TRYIN

[paper oriole]

actually even stegos get stamped on now

[drifting radish]

words are hard, brain to hand gets muddied haha

[paper oriole]

but yeah, the issue with deino is that it is constant, on occasion it can be a good shock

[drifting radish]

^^

[paper oriole]

there are safer spots to drink water, especially in the future when more of the map is uncovered, so often you are choosing to take the risk for an easier source of water, picking your poison

[drifting radish]

and in the future ther'll be more dinos, hopefully spreading that overpopulation of deinos out some

[paper oriole]

yeha deinos wont take up like 40$ of a server anymore

[hybrid matrix]

dont change it

it implies that deinos are muggers and that is perfect

[paper oriole]

what lol

oh lol

i shall leave it unedited

[drifting radish]

HAHA

[hybrid matrix]

they mug u of ur life

[paper oriole]

deino wants to steal your lunch money, but seeing as you are a dinosaur and have no money, he turns you into lunch instead

[drifting radish]

https://tenor.com/view/pooh-hungry-lunch-time-lets-eat-winnie-thepooh-gif-10922885

[civic sparrow]

@sacred sable the pounce does use the toe claw