general-feedback-discussion

[odd sedge]

You Can only go one direction and that's it

[queen mortar]

yw

[jade haven]

Wait. When humans are added will they be mercenaries or tribal humans?

[urban flax]

both

[fading fjord]

[jade haven]

Oh why do some people not like mix pack communication between herbivores?

[urban flax]

Because it's against the game's principe

[jade haven]

which is?

[urban flax]

Not mixpacking

And not communicating between different species

[potent sparrow]

@lament pecan I don't know if this will help you:

If I am lagging I reduce specifically shadow quality and I lower the render scale.

Might not work the same for everyone but it helps me.

But it does seem the update is laggier in general. Hopefully you can fix it to a more comfortable state

[lament pecan]

do you mean the rubberbanding? this is my problem

[potent sparrow]

Ya that is unfortunate. I do find it's rubber banding more on my end too. So hopefully this gets resolved.

[feral solstice]

It’s odd

I’ve noticed less desyncs but more rubberbanding

[barren zephyr]

people seriously want human gowth?

[paper oriole]

Swimming terrestrials should simply have their weight cut to 1/2-2/3 while swimming so that deino can snare them

[barren zephyr]

A literal child getting killed and ate by a utahraptor is a bit too much for this game

[paper oriole]

Idk about that but growing mercs from juvie stage makes 0 sense and would just be annoying for the merc

[barren zephyr]

Yeet the child

[paper oriole]

Id totally kos child soldier mercs

[barren zephyr]

Just a baby murderer running around lol

Anakin

[barren zephyr]

Yep, a adult merc would still be fodder

[paper oriole]

But to have to grow from juvie on something that even at adult is too slow, small snd fragile to defend itself without weapons that likely also give away their position...

Some weirdo can mod in child soldiers and even infants but it shouldnt be a part of the actual game

[dire ridge]

Agreed

[ionic arch]

Yes

[urban flax]

Even tribals shouldn't get growth anyway
From what we know they don't actively reproduce

[barren zephyr]

@spark furnace

why only for deino?

Why cant it be a general mechanic

IMO, all carnis should get a "grab bite" where they hold down on their target and deal passive damage, of course how effective it is and the special effects it has depends on the creature

Like carno would have a shit grab bite while cerato would have a good one

[elder rivet]

wdym "fix tiles"

[manic flint]

They said that for deino cause pesky said it in a vid lol

[bold palm]

Need to put some time into the server lists. Make it so people can't name their server the same as the officials, make it so you can set it to show official only etc.

[still raptor]

Mercs will get radios but you wont have access to global chat.

They will also have proximity chat.

[hybrid matrix]

should be a large proximity tho

since they are using radios

[swift dew]

hopefully mercs also get a typing chat because I know I won't be using vc

[hoary dawn]

it would be cool if there was some sort of communication hub building mercs could fix up and use to contact mercs on the other side of the map

[hybrid matrix]

plus there's a radio tower

[still raptor]

It's stupid to bring global chat back in that form. When you can easily create a better form of long distance communication via actual radios.

[hybrid matrix]

Ooh that gave me an idea'

[floral saffron]

ok just read a suggestion abt rain, and part of it said that scent should be cut in half when it rains. I think the opposite should be true: it should double. it would naturally balance itself some tho, because with increased range comes more particles and increased confusion about which scents are coming from where, which besides being realistic also rewards a high skill level. ik its off topic but i wanted to know y'alls thoughts

[hybrid matrix]

since theres a radio tower, why not have it so that once the tower is fixed up and working, you can broadcast messages across the island, but you cant receive anything

[urban flax]

Actully humidity has a tendency to make odors stick to the ground

[hybrid matrix]

so its a one-way communication device

[urban flax]

Maybe some buildings can have special functions like that, yes

[hybrid matrix]

ooh

you could also use it to relay messages

[floral saffron]

right, which is why "petrichor," or the smell of rain is a thing. as ppl we kinda suck at smelling but we can smell A LOT of stuff around when its rainy and smell more "vividly" lets say when its hot, so maybe that could be implemented too?

[hybrid matrix]

so basically you cant directly communicate with the tower, but you can use it to communicate with other mercs

[urban flax]

You can smell close scents better, but I don't think you can smell from further away

[floral saffron]

hmm, i'll be honest im not actually sure what the effect would be, at least not from personal experience. ig we'll see if the devs care enough to look into it? 😂

[urban flax]

I don't know. Realism is a good thing, but gameplay is always more important. Sometimes it's better to completely ignore realism to provide a better experience.

[swift dew]

well. realism is good to an extent. realism as in the physics of the world is good, not necessarily paleoaccuracy, which is also realism

[hybrid matrix]

brachi attack suggestion

[mellow seal]

hypers getting killed by a brachi leg kick?

[hybrid matrix]

hang on

im trying to find a video representing what i mean

ah well i cant find one

i mean

ig its far fetched for ALL strains to die

especially hypers

[odd sedge]

@hybrid matrix
What about giving brachi a neck slam as well, from giraffes?
They swing their neck against opponents with a force that could break their opponents neck, I think that would be fun to see honestly.

And if not brachi, maybe magy

[hybrid matrix]

especially the apex hypers

[digital plank]

I personally think that the shoulder bash should be replaced with a stomp and the kick with both legs should be a tail swipe or neck slam. But that's just my opinion

[hybrid matrix]

well here's the thing
the neck slam is only ever used against other giraffes
and even then, the weapon isnt the neck, its the two bumps on the head

[hybrid matrix]

again, i said that i DIDNT want brachi to have a stomp
thats the point of the suggestion

and what tail is there to swipe with?

brachi doesnt have a long enough tail for that

[digital plank]

oh sorry i didnt see that. but why would you not want a stomp? i know you said it was cliche but that's probably because its cool and iconic

[hybrid matrix]

i also said that the stomp is cool

but

its getting kinda old

and while i do love a good stomp

[odd sedge]

Fair enough, brachi is too löng to reach the itty bitty pesky carnivores down there with their necks.
But I would really like to see it on magy to stun similar sized attackers

[hybrid matrix]

i feel like its time to start giving other attacks to sauropods

[odd sedge]

True true

Our löng necks need some love

[hybrid matrix]

@mellow seal i fixed it

@still raptor @dense wagon @silver zephyr sorry for the ping, but what dont you like about my suggestion? is there anything that i can fix, or do you just dislike the idea?

[still raptor]

I don't like how you make it seem that the Apexes are immune to the attacks.

[hybrid matrix]

i do?

i didnt mean for it to come across that way

[still raptor]

I think a stomp, and a kick would be nice attacks for its size. Don't really need an shoulder bash.

[hybrid matrix]

elbow bash

not a shoulder bash

its basically the same attack as the kick but it reaches behind the area that the kick can reach

and again

the suggestion is about NOT giving brachi a stomp

[still raptor]

A stomp is just a better attack move than an elbow bash that can possibly cause the animal to fall over from not balancing itself.

[hybrid matrix]

i get that a stomp is good, but its literally just raw damage

mainly the way that these attacks work is to knock things over so that they cant escape while the brachi tramples them and kicks them to death

[still raptor]

Why have that when a Stomp/hind kick is more effective?

[hybrid matrix]

it HAS a hind kick

thats the Alt RMB attack

its like a horse kick

[still raptor]

Excuse me?

A horse kick for a 40,000 kg sauropod

Yea, that's a terrible idea

[mellow seal]

agreed

although its actually 37,000 kg, not 55,000 kg

[still raptor]

You might wanna take that down

[hybrid matrix]

fuck ur right

[manic flint]

Do like a one legged kick

Just one of the hing legs kick

Like what elephants do
A brachi is WAY too big to go on only it's forelegs

[crude girder]

Imagine not using the tail as a sauropod

[patent garden]

yeah i didnt realize the alt rmb was gonna be like a double leg horse kick lol

[crude girder]

Personally I'd wanna see it have some sort of attack that would be useful during growth

that moveset you've given it means it needs to be taller to really hit them effectively, so while growing it would be borderline useless

[hybrid matrix]

well what attacks could a sauropod have that would help it as a baby

[crystal minnow]

Venom

[hybrid matrix]

i think a good solution to the growth problem would be to make brachi grow faster when its younger and then when its an adult it grows much slower

sorta like when ur boiling cold water

while its cold it boils much faster than warm water

[fading fjord]

Imagine shaking trees after hit them, when using that big sauro tail pteras will drop like 🥥 &🍌

[hybrid matrix]

but once it reaches room temperature it boils at the same rate that warm water boils

[crude girder]

A tail whip would at least be useful to things around the same size, even with Brachi's shorter tail proportionally

[fading fjord]

Shake the ground

[crude girder]

Plus personally, I know it'd be borderline useless, but I'd like to see biting as a universal attack lol

[fading fjord]

You cant help it

[patent garden]

that's not true tho 👀

the opposite is true: warm water freezes faster because it's more gaseous. cold water doesnt boil faster

[fading fjord]

Tail attack, for adult or sub only, perfect.

Sauropod mode

[hybrid matrix]

no no no
the water boils faster WHILE ITS STILL COLD

once its warm

it boils at the same speed that warm water boils

[crude girder]

Giving it a tail attack that you can only use when you are grown doesn't solve the issue of not having good attacks as a baby

[hybrid matrix]

over all it takes longer to boil cold water

[fading fjord]

That big neck bitting

Babysauro life not ez.

[crystal minnow]

What if juv sauropods can hide very well and leave no scent idk

[patent garden]

i am so confused

[crude girder]

Leaving no scent is busted lol

Personally I think a stomp makes sense on sauropods as an attack option, because it allows them to seriously threaten targets much higher on the body

Not saying Brachiosaurus should be balanced around a stomp, but I do think having the option makes sense

[hybrid matrix]

or, and hear me out on this one, it takes 90 minutes to reach subadult and then 2 hours to reach fresh adult and then you can defend urself against mostly anything

[crude girder]

Growth curves are desperately needed

Also 3.5 hours to reach borderline immunity is really fast

[hybrid matrix]

yeah except in those 3.5 hours ur basically a mcdonalds happy meal in the shape of a small giraffe

[crude girder]

personally I feel you only need to get to about 5 tons or so before you start standing a decent chance at defense

[crystal minnow]

When i think of evrima sauropods i think of gigas carebearing brachis to grase on them while keep them just alive

[crude girder]

That would be awful, one of the reasons I don't want to see Giga get a flesh grazing ability

[hybrid matrix]

hyoer

hyper*

[crude girder]

ye

[hybrid matrix]

keep in mind that it should be incredibly hard to get to adult as a brachi

it shouldnt take forever

but it should be very hard

[crude girder]

I agree, which is why I think spending more of that time as a vulnerable juvenile is better than just rushing to when you are about 70% adult size

[crystal minnow]

Why should it be hard?

[crude girder]

Because an adult is basically unkillable

What are you gonna do? Bite it? It'll flatten you.

[hybrid matrix]

also

[crystal minnow]

And? Its not like a stego that can chase down shit and murder everything

[hybrid matrix]

while i think that pre-adult should be the hardest part, i think that adult should take a long time

[crude girder]

You're right, but it's basically invincible in a survival game, which is why it should be hard to get to

Unlike Ptera which is a paper airplane, A brachiosaurus could take on a herd and win probably.

[hybrid matrix]

i think it should take maybe 4 hours to get from fresh adult to full adult

4 hours if u follow ur diet even

maybe

[crude girder]

I'm very much a fan of ~10 hour growth for Brachi from fresh spawn to full adult personally

most of that spent between 5 and 30 tons

[crystal minnow]

I dont see a brachi being played as a fighter

[hybrid matrix]

so 6.5 hours from fresh adult to full adult?

[crystal minnow]

Just vvibe as a long necc

[crude girder]

Brachi isn't a rush down like Tenonto, it's a wall

[hybrid matrix]

it isnt a wall
its the whole building

[crude girder]

If you try to fight it, you'll probably lose, but it won't rush at you

Then again, don't go afk around a brachi lol

[cyan flame]

If a sauropod somehow manages to run you down.. I don't know, you messed up really bad I'd say.. :p

[crude girder]

Anywayy, shitty hitbox visualization for Kicking with Front/Hind legs, potential tail, stomp, and bite attacks

It's very well defended, but against something taller than it's shoulder it might struggle

[crystal minnow]

being a full adult brachi sound very boring if nothing wants to fuck with you

[crude girder]

Playing an adult won't be for everyone

[hybrid matrix]

if the front hitbox were a little more forward (bc its meant to hit things in front of u) then that'd represent my proposed lmb attack

[cyan flame]

I'd figure two or three gigas would do well, if they keep their bleed style at least

And well, not everyone wants to fight, some do enjoy just.. existing

[crude girder]

There's really only so far those legs can go forward, most of the bend is the elbow

I do agree it could be a bit further, but not by much

[hybrid matrix]

yeah i kno
it wouldnt be much farther, probably around 6 feet or so

up to the bulge in its neck

[crude girder]

I'm very much a fan of standardizing combat, so I'd love to see Brachi have a bite, even if it's kinda useless for anything other than hitting a Ptera lol

[hybrid matrix]

like this

[crystal minnow]

It can bite the herras lol

[crude girder]

Yea that much is feasible for distance

The issue with a Brachi/Cama bite is that their necks are so high up they'd need to lean down to hit anything

[hybrid matrix]

hyper can you post that diagram in general feedback for me?

[crude girder]

Oh uh, I can do a better one hold up

[hybrid matrix]

excluding the bite and stomp

[crude girder]

yea ik

[hybrid matrix]

thanks

[crude girder]

U want a tail swing?

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

[crystal minnow]

How about a attack for cama/brachi that it can up light carnis with its mouth and fling them around

Pik*

[hybrid matrix]

ooh just thought of smthn

[crystal minnow]

Like a horse

[hybrid matrix]

wut about a single leg stomp?

it would be a Shift LMB attack

[odd sedge]

This begs the question... How will damage for it be calculated when nothing except Pteras can reach it's head

[hybrid matrix]

and it'd have a similar hitbox to this

[crude girder]

I'd assume like a normal headshot?

[crystal minnow]

Deino headbite when it drinks lol

[hybrid matrix]

the deino just latches on and gets lifted up by the brachi lmao

[crude girder]

Single leg stomp is a lot of extra animations for something that wouldn't really be that useful

[hybrid matrix]

eh, alright

[odd sedge]

Pteras - Brachi head Killer when?

[crude girder]

the double leg stomp has the benefits of rearing the entire upper body to raise the hitbox, and coming down with the fully weight of the front half, giving it massive damage.

Good luck digging through that hp

[hybrid matrix]

yo

[crude girder]

Also yeah Brachi needs some sort of Head level attack for flying animals

[hybrid matrix]

imagine hyper quetz attacking a brachi lmao

[odd sedge]

Let them peck its eyes out

[crystal minnow]

I want brachis to have collisoon that herras and pteras can rest on the back

[hybrid matrix]

mmb for bite attack

[odd sedge]

Yes please!

[hybrid matrix]

give quetz a sauropod stomp

brachi of the skies

[crude girder]

So basically this?

[hybrid matrix]

yee

i like that

[crude girder]

Anything else you want on there?

I've labeled the top view of the tail swipe

[hybrid matrix]

nah that graph has all the attacks i listed in my suggestion

[crystal minnow]

No bite then?

[hybrid matrix]

hyper can you put the graph in #general-feedback?

[crude girder]

once I'm done with these edits

How's this?

[hybrid matrix]

oh id dint realize u were editing it

[hybrid matrix]

[crude girder]

you should be able to actually put that in your suggestion
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423939730544132096/843596435890110494/Brachiosaurus.jpg

[hybrid matrix]

oh lemme see

[crude girder]

if you copy the link and edit it in

like I just did with that message

👍

[cedar pulsar]

@turbid mauve there's literally a gigantic grassland biome in the center of the map
i wont deny that the current map design's quite iffy but
also cmon, calling the devs lazy cause they dont wanna program hundreds of plants to be edible?

that'll change with diets anyway

[swift dew]

you know this entire area is grassland right class?

along with large chunks of open field around the swamps, and other locations

[turbid mauve]

Grasslands still have a bunch of trees around that make it hard to spot prey from above and below. I am just hoping when they bring down the rift barrier that is blocking us from venturing further away from the map into the center that there is some intense open areas, cause that's where my stegosaurus likes to hang about, in open areas to prevent ambushing predators that depend on the element of surprise.

[hybrid matrix]

lmao what?

[swift dew]

you know that entire section of map isnt anywhere close to complete. there is plenty of grassland because there is literally nothing there

[hybrid matrix]

the 20 trees that are in an entire grassland make it hard to spot prey?

[patent garden]

pro gamer tip: use your eyes

[turbid mauve]

In a savannah biome, the trees would be more spread apart and lesser trees in fact for that matter.

[swift dew]

but there isnt that many trees, your telling be the 1 tree every 60-100 feet is making it easy to get ambushed?

[patent garden]

savannah

evrima

(couldnt find a good image of the evrima grasslands but still fairly open)

[tawny juniper]

Isn't evrima supposed to be like a jungle with grasslands

Here's the first thing that came up when I searched, Jungle grasslands

[patent garden]

better image of the grasslands from google

[swift dew]

this is a savana too but your more likely to get ambushed here because of all the tall grass.

[patent garden]

^ savannahs do typically have a lot of trees though as well

[tawny juniper]

Varied

[patent garden]

yeh

my point is tho, there's already plenty of open grasslands in evrima atm

[turbid mauve]

I want this. Good water source, good grazing source, good for living there for some time till the dry season comes and I have to move.

[patent garden]

another pro gamer tip, class: dont insult the devs in your suggestion

it gets you downvoted 100% of the time

[turbid mauve]

Being called lazy isn't an insult, it's a motivational technique to get someone off the coach type of thing.

[turbid mauve]

Like I care, it's their game.

My money.

[patent garden]

just saying. also lazy is definitely an insult lol

it's like saying calling someone an asshole is a motivational technique to get them to act nicer

[swift dew]

you know what else gets you downvoted? terrible suggestions. maybe put some thought into whether there is actually grass lands or not before you complain about there not being open spaces

[patent garden]

^

when i make a suggestion i usually type it into a word doc first and read thru it a few times to ensure people will actually know what i mean

[turbid mauve]

My suggestions have nothing to do with grasslands.

[tawny juniper]

@reef yoke You don't unlock new ones, And that doesn't go in #general-feedback that should be asked in #401464048610312195

[patent garden]

savannahs..... are....... grasslands......

[swift dew]

"I just want a savannah biome" savannas are a type of grassland

[turbid mauve]

If you don't know the difference, than I can't help you.

[reef yoke]

so there are only 8 dinos?

or less i dont remeber

[swift dew]

atm yes

[tawny juniper]

Savannahs are dry grasslands

[tawny juniper]

They're adding more but currently that's roughly the roster

[patent garden]

google.

[swift dew]

the thing we have is a savanna, just because it doesn't look like the african savanna doesn't mean it isnt one

[patent garden]

if you dont understand what a savanna is, i cant help you 👀

[tawny juniper]

^

[turbid mauve]

Why are the devs forcing herbivores to move in search of fucking (sorry for my profound use of language being that this is an area I am passionate in) bushes anyways. If they want herbivores to move why don't they create seasonal changes like for example dry seasons that give carnivores an advantage and make herbivores move and migrate to better situated for primary consumers.

[tawny juniper]

I think that's planned

[swift dew]

have you heard of diets? that is coming in a future update. that will get herbivores to move. and as a matter of fact droughts are planned

[turbid mauve]

The diets of buffalo primary consist of grazing like 80% of their time spent being awake.

So how is that one diet holding up for such a strong herbivore?

[swift dew]

yes, but this is a game so it isnt going to be like that

[turbid mauve]

It doesn't make sense, though. If you want to make a video game that emulates life, at least make it make sense, if that makes sense.

[cyan flame]

@turbid mauveYou need to keep in mind gameplay and game balance comes first.

[swift dew]

it does make sense. for the last fucking time this game isnt trying to emulate life. if you want that as a dinosaur game go fucking play saurian

[tawny juniper]

stop bringing up that this game emulates life, It does but not entirely I have seen you have multiple discussions where your argument is that it should emulate life. The game only emulates life to the extent that makes it fun to play and enjoyable

[turbid mauve]

Its not fun or enjoyable to my types, selects, and produces of people.

[patent garden]

^ the game is aiming for a mixture of realism and balance. not pure realism

then dont play the game

the game was never meant to be a pure realism simulator

[hybrid matrix]

the only thing this game tries to make realistic is the physics

[swift dew]

ok. this is a very niche game. its not going to change because you and only you want it to be like life

[patent garden]

^

[tawny juniper]

so, you'd prefer a game where the day night cycle is ~12 hours each, and pretty much the entire herbivore gameplay is you sitting in a field holding E

[turbid mauve]

If it doesn't emulate life than why is it trying to build a ecosystem?

[swift dew]

it isnt

it is just trying to make an enjoyable dinosaur game

ffs

it is to an extent

[hybrid matrix]

speaking of realism and balance, who remembers dio's extinction idea?

[tawny juniper]

The devs aren't sitting in a lab trying to make this game the most realistic thing ever, You act like the whole point of this game is to be realistic then when something isn't you complain about.

[swift dew]

but if you want a perfect ecosystem with the natural herbi to carni ratio. then again go play saurian

[cyan flame]

@turbid mauveBecause they still want an ecosystem for some other reason. It makes for a fun and good experience? And so on. And if you want this game in a specific way, then wait for mods. You'll probably be able to do something more or less just like you want then.

[turbid mauve]

No, just fucking fill the grazing up to 100% cause if I spent an hour grazing I would like to be rewarded with a 100% hunger not a stupid 20%. It don't make sense. This game doesn't make sense.

[swift dew]

ffs

[turbid mauve]

Varied diets could fill my hunger faster but that's about it.

[hybrid matrix]

wait TI isnt that?

[tawny juniper]

Grazing isn't so you can fill up all the way, Grazing is so you don't keel over dead when there's a ton of vegetation aroud you, Otherwise you can sit in one field and the only movement you need to make is to the water and back

Which I think you can actually do

As of currently

[hybrid matrix]

this is how i survived as a teno when evrima first came out

[cyan flame]

Please don't make herbis do the whole "eat all the time", it's been tested, it's.. not fun :p

[tawny juniper]

But when diets come out grazing forever is going ti make growth time a hell of a lot longer

[patent garden]

im gonna say this again: pure realism =/= fun game

at least for most people

[hybrid matrix]

hopefully not for every dino

some dinos should be encouraged to graze

like stego

[odd sedge]

Realism =/= fun.
It's a mix between balance and realism with regard to fun gameplay

[turbid mauve]

Did you not read what I just said? If they have a varied diet consisting of bushes or whatever than it won't take an hour to refill hunger like per grazing would.

[tawny juniper]

I agree

[hybrid matrix]

hell grazing should be stego's favorite food

[tawny juniper]

You just said, Why can't I fill up to 100% with grass? Which takes forever, you are eating during this time. = eating forever

/ all the time

[turbid mauve]

What is it to you if I graze for an hour to fill my hunger to 100%? It ain't hurting you. I said, varied diet could fill hunger faster if bushes are to be consumed.

[unborn radish]

hey so im a pteranadon and i cant jump or fly

[tawny juniper]

it's not everyone finds it fun to sit in one spot for an hour

[hybrid matrix]

#401464048610312195

[cyan flame]

Eh.. sounds boring to me honestly.. maybe as a full adult, I can see it. So you move out to plains when you're big enough and more or less fully grown.

[turbid mauve]

Did you not read what I just said, Oh my god. like wtf

[tawny juniper]

Oh my god bro right

[turbid mauve]

You think everyone thinks the same as you.

[hybrid matrix]

you also think this

[tawny juniper]

I mean, I feel like it's a very conventional idea that sitting in one spot for an hour holding e is unenjoyable

How many people do you know, have fun in mind when they think about that

[turbid mauve]

I find that to be enjoyable as my stegosaurus to fill my hunger to one hundred percent cause I don't want to be moving away from my water source, you feel? I get thristy fast. I have nothing against varied diets. Allow people to eat bushes and fill their hunger [faster] , that's fine by me. But right now its stupid that I could be grazing for 10 hours and only fill my hunger to 20% and on top of that look skinny asf.

[tawny juniper]

I mean 20% is enough to keep you alive

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

[tawny juniper]

atm it has no affect other than appearance I think

[hybrid matrix]

thats wut grazing is for

[tawny juniper]

If you spent 10 hours to stay at 20% that's on you

[turbid mauve]

alright yo, 20 is alright but lemme tell u if they make skinny dinos weaker cause of weight and shit than thats gonna be problem

[turbid mauve]

the appearance is ugly as fuck

[tawny juniper]

Not if you do what you're supposed to and look for food

[hybrid matrix]

grazing is for ha ha ha ha stayin alive, stayin alive, ha ha ha ha stayin aliiiiiiiiiii-hiiiiiiiiii-hiiiiiii-hee-ii-iive

[tawny juniper]

Moving away from water to find food is supposed to happen, Otherwise why not just leave water

[turbid mauve]

So you're admitting that when a dinosaur becomes skinny, they should receive debuffs, right?

[tawny juniper]

I don't really have an opinion on that but it's going to happen

[turbid mauve]

dry seasons would make animals move

[tawny juniper]

I'm pretty sure it's confirmed that if you aren't keeping up with your diet you're going to be something along the lines of "weaker physically and in appearance"

[tawny juniper]

so will diets,

[hybrid matrix]

yo what do you think of a fatigue/exhaustion mechanic?

[turbid mauve]

yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss, THANK YOU for confirming it cause u know when I was speaking with bunch of mods and admins they were wtf and like you should be more considerate and like thats not fun capping on a carni player u feel?

As my ptera ima love watching this.

[tawny juniper]

It might not be confirmed, I think I just saw in on Isle news or something

Look from like punch or something

[turbid mauve]

so when animals are starving they will receive debuffs, it's confirmed.

[tawny juniper]

I guess yeah

[hybrid matrix]

if ur starving then ur not gonna get debuffs, ur gonna take damage lmao

if ur already starving then ur gonna be losin health, not losin stats

although

health is a stat

[cyan flame]

What? I don't think so no. It just means that if you're not eating properly, you'll possibly have lower stats, or something. Nothing to do with starving (in the sense of being out of food entirely).

[turbid mauve]

20% is considered starving.

cause they skinny and lose weight

[cyan flame]

@hybrid matrix:D

Eh, depends on how you define it I guess. But even 20% may not neccesarily mean a debuff, it's more I think to do with what you eat, not so much if you're entirely full or not.

[turbid mauve]

Then why when animals are at 20% they become skinny and lose weight for being skinny?

[icy lion]

thats purely visual

and it doesnt trigger at exactly 20%, it happens slowly as your hunger drains

[turbid mauve]

lmao

when your skinny, you lose weight, trust me

[hybrid matrix]

oooohhhh i just got an idea

[turbid mauve]

why put a visual effect to something if it aint doing anything to it?

people just gonna think its a skinny stego but still has same stats

[tawny juniper]

detail

[turbid mauve]

dont make sense

[icy lion]

for now, yes, but based on what punch said therell be other visual differences for people who didnt follow their diets

[tawny juniper]

it does... if you're hungry you're skinny it's a detail to show that you're hugry

[turbid mauve]

but your still have the same stats da fuq?

[cyan flame]

They don't lose weight? They do get skinny as a visual indicator that they are low on food, which means they are more vunerable to bleed, and well, vunerable to starving out if you can prevent them from eating.

[hybrid matrix]

instead of immediately taking damage from 0 hunger, you start to rapidly lose weight, your stam gets nerfed (like with the sickness debuff), you lose stam faster, you move slower, and trotting costs stam. then once you are so skinny that you can see your bones, thats when you start taking damage

[hybrid matrix]

thoughts?

[turbid mauve]

wdym vulnerable to bleed? i didn't read any of this in the patch notes.

[icy lion]

i like it, its far more interesting than just taking health damage immediately

[hybrid matrix]

also i have an idea for fatigue/exhaustion that would give wallowing more of a use

[cyan flame]

From what I know, being low on food, water, health, and stamina all contribute to how long your bleed lasts. As such, if you're low on them, you'll bleed for longer and thus take more bleed "damage".

[turbid mauve]

see now u tryna fix whats broken

[cyan flame]

@hybrid matrixWould you do something similar for being out of water?

[worn pumice]

Locomotion as well changes how much u bleed

[hybrid matrix]

the longer you're out in the sun, the worse your stam drain becomes, and eventually walking costs stam. you also lose water faster
you counteract the heat by staying in the shade and/or wallowing frequently. if you're in the heat for too long you begin to pant. if u still dont wallow or enter the shade, you will lay down, and slowly start to die (this would be visually similar to sleeping)

[hybrid matrix]

this is for my exhaustion idea btw

[hybrid matrix]

1 sec

[turbid mauve]

THIS ONLY HAPPENS IN AFRICA SAVANNAH BIOME

although i get rather tired while sun too long

[icy lion]

you can get heat exhaustion in a lot of places

its not just restricted to the african savannah lol

[swift dew]

dude, no it doesn't. take it from someone who lives in florida and gets heat exhaustion pretty much every summer. it is not limited to one location

[turbid mauve]

what about speed? running in the sun like cheetah

[worn pumice]

Well speed will hasten heat exhaustion

[hybrid matrix]

Initially, once you run out of water, your dino starts to pant. you are more prone to exhaustion. after a while your camera gets a woozy effect, and your dino moves slower and uses more stam. (btw the effects of dehydration are similar to exhaustion) you take some damage (probably around 5% of ur health), and then you begin to really slow down.
your dino starts taking very small amounts of damage while moving, and you puke.
if you get to this point, then you've most likely missed your chance to get water. You start taking more damage, and you collapse. you dont fall asleep right away, but instead you take some more damage. (this part is visual) your screen turns black for a second (like blinking) and then your vision is restored. your screen slowly turns black

[turbid mauve]

stego canot overheat cause of the thingys on its back meant for cooling

[hybrid matrix]

yes

btw

[worn pumice]

No proof for that

[hybrid matrix]

another way to prevent heat exhaustion is swimming

[worn pumice]

Most likely actually it was more for display rather then use

[turbid mauve]

this is a fantasy game what is wrong with u

[swift dew]

that is not true. first of all, those might not have been for cooling and second of all. any living organism can overheat. even tardigrades. its just some things take much more heat to do it

[worn pumice]

U never clarified whether it was irl or game wise

[swift dew]

well how do you know the plates in this fantasy game are used for cooling?

[hybrid matrix]

anyway, what be your thoughts on my dehydration idea?

[turbid mauve]

cause we the community want it and it would be interesting mechanic da fuq, fuck off

[worn pumice]

I think the idea of not immediately taking dmg to dehydration or starvation

Is interesting

[hybrid matrix]

um
you cant speak for over 60 thousand ppl

[worn pumice]

I’m more prone to more mechanics when starving rather then just slowly dying with dmg

[swift dew]

you are not we the community. there isnt even a heat mechanic in the game and there is a good chance that it doesn't come

[icy lion]

be civil

[worn pumice]

Heat mechanics aren’t even in the game lol

[cyan flame]

It would be interesting if stego and spino and such had some use of their plates/sail, but it should only help, not make them immune to something.

[tawny juniper]

👀

[hybrid matrix]

all that ur message is missing is "this u?"

[tawny juniper]

lol

[hybrid matrix]

carter u couldve achieved greatness

[worn pumice]

Well stegos plates r already somewhat useful they don’t take dmg if u hit them

[tawny juniper]

I'm a humble farm boy I don't need greatness

[worn pumice]

Maybe dynamic coloring could be a thing

Only as visual customization tho

[swift dew]

maybe if they add a temperature system then stegos could be resistant to heat, but that isnt a thing and there is a good chance it wont be

[worn pumice]

Dondi already said he doesn’t want dinos to die to the environment their in

[turbid mauve]

same how spino was saved from being a quad? "isnt a thing" lol

[worn pumice]

Spino isn’t a quad tho

Irl or in game

[swift dew]

yeah idk what point that was supposed to make

[cyan flame]

Hold threaten = flush the plates with extra color. A stronger warning than the quick press :p

[worn pumice]

What does this mean I’m confused

[cyan flame]

Same could go for trike and others for that matter

[turbid mauve]

I die to the environment all the game, I don't know what your talking about.

[worn pumice]

Yea that’s what I was thinking actually

[turbid mauve]

Just ask legacy baby trike

[icy lion]

falling to death is a bit different than hyper/hypothermia tho

[worn pumice]

Dying to temp has nothing to do with falling

Ur point is irrelevant

[hybrid matrix]

ive organized my 3 ideas into a suggestion

Yo so currently starving and dehydrating are kinda boring, so i thought i'd make this (with a bonus idea)

1️⃣ Proper Starvation
instead of immediately taking damage from 0 hunger, you start to rapidly lose weight, your stam gets nerfed (like with the sickness debuff), you lose stam faster, you move slower, and trotting costs stam. then once you are so skinny that you can see your bones, thats when you start taking damage

2️⃣ Proper Dehydration
Initially, once you run out of water, your dino starts to pant. you are more prone to exhaustion. after a while your camera gets a woozy effect, and your dino moves slower and uses more stam. (btw the effects of dehydration are similar to exhaustion) you take some damage (probably around 5% of ur health), and then you begin to really slow down.
your dino starts taking very small amounts of damage while moving, and you puke.
if you get to this point, then you've most likely missed your chance to get water. You start taking more damage, and you collapse. you dont fall asleep right away, but instead you take some more damage. (this part is visual) your screen turns black for a second (like blinking) and then your vision is restored. your screen slowly turns black

3️⃣ Bonus Idea: Exhaustion
the longer you're out in the sun, the worse your stam drain becomes, and eventually walking costs stam. you also lose water faster
you counteract the heat by staying in the shade and/or wallowing frequently. if you're in the heat for too long you begin to pant. if u still dont wallow or enter the shade, you will lay down, and slowly start to die (this would be visually similar to sleeping)

Lemme know your thoughts!

is it good?

[tawny juniper]

the environment doesn't kill them their actions do. Unless you die from fall damage when standing still now

[worn pumice]

Text wall

[cyan flame]

It would be really cool, there's a few that could do it, stego, kentro, the ceratopsids (why do we have so many of them..), and spino maybe. Just like anky has the "anky smash" threaten (that should absolutely be a thing for a held threaten!).

[turbid mauve]

baby trike tryna walk to a water source from the beach like smh

[worn pumice]

Exactly something that makes the Dino slightly cooler

Even if it’s only visual

[cyan flame]

Looks pretty good to me. I'd probably focus on maybe weight/health for the food, and stamina/damage for the water. But the basic idea is not bad at all. Dying outright is less interesting than some extra time with severe vunerabilities.

[worn pumice]

Actually I think it’s pretty cool that there’s a ceratopsian for each tier

[hybrid matrix]

kinda wish we had that for other dinos too lol hahaha haha dies inside

nothronychus for midtier theri

[turbid mauve]

Will humans be able to survive off a plant-based diet?

[hybrid matrix]

yeah
except the diet consists of canned beans

[worn pumice]

They’ll most likely make mercs eat canned food or military supplements like MRE

[cyan flame]

@turbid mauveMercs will most likely just have rations, of.. whatever. And tribals.. god only knows what they do to survive.

[icy lion]

depends on how in depth the mercs food needs are

[hybrid matrix]

i hope we get canned beans for mercs

[turbid mauve]

Mercs, are humans. We humans can survive off plants. So, cheers to me, for common sense. 🤓

[icy lion]

....ok

[swift dew]

tell that to my dad, and every other vegatarian in the world. he does perfectly fine

[worn pumice]

Ok but the isle

[hybrid matrix]

im starting to think that class might be a vegan about everything

[icy lion]

i really do wonder how in depth merc needs will be though

[turbid mauve]

Are you being sarcastic by what you mean "perfectly fine?"

[rocky aspen]

Hopefully just as complex needs for humans.

But not mating..

no

skills and stuff-

[icy lion]

you mean dinos?

[hybrid matrix]

cooking

[icy lion]

or irl humans

[hybrid matrix]

you cook the food and prepare a nice canned meal

[icy lion]

since im not sure how well a diet system would work for mercs

[rocky aspen]

Hopefully humans are just as complex in their needs as the dinosaurs are. So they have needs to cook their food, cleanliness, hydration, skill and perk upgrades and the like.

[icy lion]

could be fun tho

[swift dew]

no, the thing said it will lead to various nutrient deficiencies, which was confusing because it really doesn't

[rocky aspen]

Cooking could be the equivalent to diets.

Eat anything as long as you prepare it properly.

[icy lion]

it can, but its hard to do so with how much variety you can get in plants alone

[turbid mauve]

I cook my veggies all the time, what do you mean? Stop trying to complicate things.

[swift dew]

well i mean. you can get nutritional deficiencies from eating both plants and meat so...

[hybrid matrix]

i think it meant if you only eat plants and nothing else
so no salad dressing, supplements, etc

[rocky aspen]

I’m just saying I hope in the future humans will have complex systems in terms of health just like the dinosaurs. They should have to cook meat to not get sick and that stuff.

[icy lion]

i mean if you eat only lettuce youll die

but theres a lot more than lettuce out there lmao

[rocky aspen]

bugs

mm

[hybrid matrix]

bc if you eat nothing but plants (again, without supplements or salad dressing, etc) you will most likely get nutrient deficiencies

[rocky aspen]

Humans shouldn’t be able to maintain strength while only eating lettuce.

essentially

[turbid mauve]

Vegetables contain protein. @icy lion

[icy lion]

yes i know

[rocky aspen]

bruh

[turbid mauve]

Don't bruh me with my vegan life style.

[worn pumice]

[sonic mural]

Oh god

[rocky aspen]

you can’t eat only veggies tho 👍😔

[hybrid matrix]

OMG I FUCKIN KNEW IT

class do you have pets?

[turbid mauve]

Three birds.

[icy lion]

lets stay on topic

[rocky aspen]

no

[paper oriole]

Class eats grass irl not just in isle RP???

[cyan flame]

Okay. Let's not do that here. If you guys want to argue what constitutes proper nutrition for a human or something else, please do so somewhere else.

[rocky aspen]

jk-

[turbid mauve]

I'm doing just fine.

[rocky aspen]

ok :)) good luck buddy I’m rooting for you

[hybrid matrix]

and you give them the proper food that they are supposed to eat?

[rocky aspen]

heheh-

[hybrid matrix]

turn this into a pun about plant roots

[rocky aspen]

I might.. 😳

[barren zephyr]

uhhh.. so, guys

I need help with something

[rocky aspen]

nani

[barren zephyr]

in Legacy, there is an option on the settings which allow you to toggle FPS counter on the game

which shows your FPS, how much ping you have.. and such

does EVRIMA have that option? if so, how do you toggle it on?

[icy lion]

i dont believe it does

[barren zephyr]

I've seen people using it and it would really help me know how much ping I have on the game

[swift dew]

im pretty sure it did pre update 3. but I dont think it does anymore

[worn pumice]

U can use the steam FPS counter

[icy lion]

pretty sure its admin only now

[hybrid matrix]

also i dont think it was an option, i think it was always on

like, you couldnt toggle it off

[barren zephyr]

I am using that right now.. buuuut, it's valuable info to know how much ping you have at times

to know if it's worth fighting other people or not

but yeah

[swift dew]

im pretty sure that ping number was wrong anyway

[barren zephyr]

if it's not an option.. I hope they add it on the future

as well as giving players the option to change sensitivity in game

[worn pumice]

Oh yea ofc but idk

They might add it later in the future but who knows

[barren zephyr]

🤞 they do add it

[still raptor]

You normally can but you would rather want to have a varied diet than purely rely on crops/wild fauna.

[turbid mauve]

Do you think certain plants don't have proteins and different sugars and such? I am confused as to why you think a vegan diet is not good to survive off.

[brave nova]

You do realize the mercs are gonna be mean to the dinosaurs either way, right

[rocky aspen]

imagine you could get ropes around Dino’s and just tie them down.

for fun

[still raptor]

Well, if you rely on having a crop based diet, you won't get all the necessary proteins you would find in animals. Sure plants do have them but not as much as certain animals. And I never said anything about a vegan diet being bad to survive off of. That's YOU purely putting words in my mouth.

[turbid mauve]

"You normally can" looking self.

[turbid mauve]

Legit even a troodon could kill it. I doubt it.

[still raptor]

Don't you understand that certain Vegan diets actually make those Vegans consume supplements to survive. You can, but it's not recommended.

[brave nova]

what?

[swift dew]

a troodon can kill it but it isnt going to take very many shots from some of the weakest guns to take down a troodon. same goes for utah.

[still raptor]

Besides arguing with you is like talking to a fucking wall.

[turbid mauve]

A troodon can kill a human.

[brave nova]

A cow can easily kill a human too, what's your point?

[turbid mauve]

Humans shan't be a problem to the dinosaurs.

[hybrid matrix]

well here's the difference
cow's are very heavy and strong

[hybrid matrix]

what the fuck do you think guns are?

[swift dew]

tell that to a fucking gun

[still raptor]

He's a fucking troll. Don't listen to him.

[hybrid matrix]

i only argue with class when im bored or when they say something so stupid that i cant, not say anything about it

[turbid mauve]

Hold up, who needs guns? When airal spears work just fine? Infact they cause more infection than a gun bullet would faster.

[hybrid matrix]

so a stone spear causes more infection than a lead bullet?

also

and hear me out

[brave nova]

don't want your food to die from infection

[hybrid matrix]

a gun is gonna fuck you up way worse than a spear will

[hybrid matrix]

yeah i know how crazy i sound, but just hear me out on this one

[turbid mauve]

you're crazy.

[hybrid matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-anime-glasses-stare-glasses-gif-15313333

you're*

lmao we can see that you edited it

[barren zephyr]

have you ever been shot?

[turbid mauve]

I edited before u could correct me

[barren zephyr]

a spear wound can kill someone, however a bullet wound can too

[turbid mauve]

have you ever been speared?

[turbid mauve]

jesus christ

[hybrid matrix]

class lemme just say something

[barren zephyr]

no, but I have a friend who has been stabbed

[turbid mauve]

are we seriously gonna start this argument?

[hybrid matrix]

you can blow things up with a gun

you cant blow things up with a spear

and no im not talking about explosives

[turbid mauve]

stab is just a bleed losss, spears remain

[hybrid matrix]

yes bc once the spear is embedded into its victim it becomes excalibur

[turbid mauve]

and cause internal bleeding, hemro stuff, and infection, the animal goes down fast

[still raptor]

So does a stab

[hybrid matrix]

a lead bullet causes internal bleeding, lead poisoning, and trauma

[strange wave]

hmmm

[brave nova]

Can't believe the vegan would rather hunt with fucking spears than a clean shot to the heart with a rifle

[turbid mauve]

and you think a spear doesnt cause trauma, internal bleeding, and infection?

[strange wave]

@turbid mauve you seeking more attention?

[hybrid matrix]

infection and lead poisioning are different

[turbid mauve]

a spear is better to use omfg

what of that dont u understand

[hybrid matrix]

lead poisoning will kill you faster than infection (depending on the infection)

class

a spear is not better to use

guns are more precise

more powerful

and are cooler

[turbid mauve]

guns are ALSO limited so fuck off.

[brave nova]

It's literally illegal to hunt with a spear because it's considered unnecessarily cruel. What are you on?

[turbid mauve]

spears are more reliable

[hybrid matrix]

and spears ARENT?

[turbid mauve]

and consistent

[turbid mauve]

spears can be made

[strange wave]

class, you arent going to win a fight with a dinosaur with a sharpened stick

[turbid mauve]

guns cannot

[hybrid matrix]

HOW????
you cant get ur spear back until the animal is dead

[hybrid matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/wheeze-wheeze-meme-laugh-laughing-gif-21074028

class

are you trying to say that guns are found naturally?

[turbid mauve]

😏

[brave nova]

[turbid mauve]

spears can be made. guns cannot.

ammu is limited.

spears are not.

[strange wave]

class, please understand, the 9 foot tall orc people with 12 ft spears are going to struggle to take down things like ceratos with them, a dinky merc boi with a sharpened stick is going to be killed just as fast as a dinky merc boi with a knife

[hybrid matrix]

aight i gtg
this was fun

[turbid mauve]

sht... that rhymed yo... @hybrid matrix

[tawny juniper]

Yeah guys how don't you realize that environments have infinite resources for spears, You can only make a tiny amount of ammo but spears are fuckin everywhere, in trees, under rocks, you name it

[turbid mauve]

what are you saying?

[tawny juniper]

A joke based on wording

[strange wave]

he's saying that nothing is unlimited

[strange wave]

why ping them?

[turbid mauve]

explain

[strange wave]

okay dio

[turbid mauve]

Elaborate.

[turbid mauve]

Elongate.

[tawny juniper]

Spears are not limited?

[tawny juniper]

stop pinging me dammit

[barren zephyr]

[turbid mauve]

Spears are more effective.

[tawny juniper]

not at all

[turbid mauve]

They're more resourceful.

and that is why theyre effective

[tawny juniper]

When you call a weapon effective that generally refers to its power in combat

[elder rivet]

some people don't know the bright blue that shows they can disable pings

[tawny juniper]

and someone doesn't know that you don't have to ping 3 times so I answer them

[turbid mauve]

You dont think airal spears arent effective in taking down prey?

large prey matter of fact

[icy lion]

not as effective as guns

[turbid mauve]

Aerial spears cause more trauma to the body and thus die faster. Guns who kill if its a headshot.

[tawny juniper]

What's an airal spear

[icy lion]

gunshots, depending on caliber and bullet shape, can and will cause far more internal and external damage than a spear

[turbid mauve]

An aerial spear.

[tawny juniper]

and if that was a typo what is an airial spear

aerial*

[icy lion]

a thrown spear

[tawny juniper]

oh I see

[icy lion]

vs once thats stabbed

[tawny juniper]

I mean, I guess an aerial spear can cause more damage then a couple bullets

[turbid mauve]

A thrown spear remains, and kills the animal rather quickly cause of injection, trauma etc

[barren zephyr]

heck, stabbed spears are more effective than an aerial spear

[icy lion]

bullets also remain

[turbid mauve]

OMG NOW YOU SEE IT?

[icy lion]

very few bullets go straight through a target

[tawny juniper]

It kills the animal quickly because it relies on infection, Which takes a decent amount of time to set in

[icy lion]

depends on if we get infections i guess

[turbid mauve]

Body truama is another and internal bleeding

[barren zephyr]

I hope we do

[icy lion]

obviously a scuffed piece of stone has a much higher chance of causing infection

[tawny juniper]

I was nodding to the fact that one large spear can do little more than many small bullets, while you'll still have bullets remaining

[icy lion]

since its, you know, a rock

[turbid mauve]

I hope we get posion too

[icy lion]

venom/poison are confirmed

unless you mean like poison traps, that idk

[barren zephyr]

well, knowing that venom and poison is coming- you'd think you'll be able to tamper with your weaponry

[turbid mauve]

Are we getting fire?

To burn things, set wild fires etc?

human destruction

[barren zephyr]

not sure, we do know storms are coming

[tawny juniper]

I don't think so

[barren zephyr]

tbh, I prefer not to have fire.
It's not nice on lower quality rigs

[tawny juniper]

One of the desv said something about it was unlikely due to it's effect on preformance or something

[barren zephyr]

BoB forest fires aren't nice

[turbid mauve]

Neither are humans, whats you're point?

[barren zephyr]

humans wont cause performance problems

[tawny juniper]

He's talking about preformance chill tf out

[barren zephyr]

Humans bring lore into the game

and a new playstyle

[tawny juniper]

It's like the second he said something negative about fire you got really angry

[barren zephyr]

alongside a wider community, seeing as people who like FPS will hopefully be interested

[hallow vigil]

regarding that savanna suggestion, i too would really like to see them. Maybe a proper plains biome would scratch the itch, but i just really miss the savanna from Landscape_04 (aka v4). I have no idea if a savanna would naturally appear on an island like Spero (i assume not lol), but I remember a long time ago dondi talked about artificial enclosures with their own weather inside them, and that was the explanation for snow biomes and the like. So, maybe thats how a savanna could occur (though it's quite a large biome for an artificial enclosure to have)

[fading fjord]

L4.....OMG....Goosebumps!!

You got my support on that, i would like to see them also or something like it or similar.

[dense vale]

water should be pretty evenly spread, having different kinds of food in different areas to encourage travel is good but having water there doesnt interfere with that. running 5 kilometers into an empty zone to grab a fruit and run back before you dehydrate isnt alot of fun, and in order to support carnivores there to hunt the herbs there has to be water there. i dont think limited water helps any aspect of gameplay unless your trying to keep people in an area

[ashen wasp]

long grass scenes but azhdarchids

like, this???? 👌🏿

[hoary dawn]

no

nofeathered carno

[silver zephyr]

I love touch's edits but I dont want to see them in game

[hoary dawn]

feathered carno is so fuckin cursed

those edits are neat, but no thank you

[ashen wasp]

im fine with a non-feathered Carno, based off of what abelisaurid skin remains we've found. it's a cool concept, for sure, but unnecessary and will most likely go un/underappreciated

now, pycnofibre Ptera is 👌🏿

[limber hull]

i personally disagree with the suggestion that said humans should get global cause of radios. I think radio should increase range, but not entirely make it global, because i much prefer the concept of these guys chatting over radio then just eating shit or moving too far and their radio goes out of range

[hoary dawn]

yea

local chat with slightly wider range

[ashen wasp]

different items with different ranges?? like, walkies with limited range, radios with a much wider one, but theyre comparatively rarer and difficult to fix/maintain??

[limber hull]

i still want VC more than any form of chat for humans

so much cooler that way

[hybrid matrix]

@silver zephyr anything wrong with my idea?

[paper oriole]

Feathered carno

[dapper terrace]

@hybrid matrix love 1 and 2. The third one seems like a bit of a pain, and annoying to manage in gameplay. It's already enough to manage stamina. Managing exhaustion on top of Stam would be annoying in practice.

But the first two are brilliant

I hope your suggestion gets traction

[limber hull]

heat exhaustion is a thing that they would have to deal with, that much is true. Especially deinos, as modern day crocs suffer greatly when it comes to guarding their nests due to not being able to withstand the scorching heat, but i can understand where it would be annoying

could make different weathers and times (rain and night) have more unique benefits but otherwise, eh

[dapper terrace]

Didn't they de-confirm a thermal system? Like we're never going to have to worry about freezing or anything either

[hybrid matrix]

@dapper terrace the reasoning behind exhaustion is that it gives ppl something else to manage, and it makes wallowing more useful

[limber hull]

more than likely, roaming grazers like the stego would not care much for the sun and would rarely suffer from exhaustion, whereas the deino, a creature adjusted to the cool waters, would suffer far more. But it would be difficult, especially trying to match a constant stat modifier to a dynamic lighting system

[dapper terrace]

They're adding a bathing system, which will make wallowing more prevalent, I think

[limber hull]

that part seems terrifying from a dev perspective

i also do like the idea of rather than taking direct health damage, you instead take debilitation that weakens your dino and makes you far more vulnerable

and then eventually kills you

id actually like it to be more that you don't "take damage" from dehydration or starvation, rather you are straightup weakened and eventually just drop dead

[hybrid matrix]

Ok, well then exhaustion is something to keep players busy

[hybrid matrix]

Only reason I included dmg in the dehydration one is bc u get a headache and a stomachache when you're dehydrated
Plus it feels weird to move

[barren zephyr]

@lapis tree I realize I'm probably quite a bit late to the topic but, your concepts for Mono are nearly . Honestly I much rather prefer the first for Rugops but the second seems very fitting for Mono.

[honest sparrow]

NOOOO YOU CANT HAVE AN OPINION NOOOOO

[barren zephyr]

feathered carno oh HELL no

utah, yes, but carno is a hell no

[lapis tree]

Thanks for the feedback

[sonic mural]

Yea I’d even take a feathered rex over a feathered carno any damn day

[barren zephyr]

same to be honest

[jade haven]

Hey how is aging going to work, along side elders?

Do we have anything on those yet?

[sonic mural]

U just age the longer u play and when u reach elder u get a little bit weaker

[jade haven]

So you wouldnt be able to live 'forever'.

[barren zephyr]

you start out stronger at elder, than you gradually get weak

[honest sparrow]

eventually yeah you do kick the bucket

[barren zephyr]

you can, if you don't live a pathway that takes to the elder stage

[jade haven]

Oh elders wouldnt be the forever living stage, its the stage where you screwed up your diet and begin to deteriorate?

[barren zephyr]

no

elders will be the pathway to gain either strains or a species perk

[jade haven]

Ah I see, you forfeit living forever to get a perk in the next life.

[barren zephyr]

yes

[bold palm]

how do you calculate damage?

[barren zephyr]

ask in #401464048610312195

[haughty forge]

@potent sparrow for your suggestion about puking my guess is if they put this mecanic it is to prevent player to despawn food that could be eaten by another as soon as you are full yourself. Or even making a corpse despawn to "save you". For instance, you killed a utah as carno, you were kinda ok on food you ate a bit. Now you have to stick close to your prey to defend it or run for your life because it will drag people on you and for herbivore to despawn food for other too you have to wait to be a little hungry before. If your dino just stop to eat like in legacy, people tend to spam E until food is over, now with puking you get a cooldown... or a malus. At least it is how I see the mecanic.

[hoary dawn]

do not

[paper oriole]

Carno might look good with display quills on its back/neck at most

Not feathers

[hoary dawn]

feathered deino

feathered deino

feathered titanoboa

[paper oriole]

Feathered megalania

[hoary dawn]

fuck

feathered mungle

[paper oriole]

Feathered humans

[limber hull]

feathered stego

feathered ptera

literally just a bird

[paper oriole]

Feathered brachi

[mellow maple]

Idk what you mean. That carno looks GOOD. It's cursed yes but executed very well

[hoary dawn]

there should be multiple model customizations for every animal, but feathers should only be an option for ones that make sense like raptors/dromaeosaurs stuff like that

ornithomimids

[paper oriole]

The horns and the feather crest collide in an unpleasant way design wise

[patent garden]

feathered humans would be bomb as hell tho

[hoary dawn]

feathered trike

[patent garden]

literal valkyries? pog ?

[paper oriole]

Display quills option for some ceratopsians (even if its just males) would look nice but no feathers, same goes for carno imo

[patent garden]

yeh quills might be nice but full feathers wouldnt make much sense imo

[limber hull]

i like how his little arm has a little wing in that image

[undone parcel]

I hope this hotfix comes soon. . . .

[blazing charm]

Nothing quite crushes the argument for feathers like picking the silliest possible option.

[honest sparrow]

if you want feathers for every animal, scales for every animal should also be an option

[hoary dawn]

naked ovi

[honest sparrow]

yes

[hoary dawn]

ovi except its 1 redeeming quality is stripped off

[lapis tree]

Hypsi would be a literal rat

[honest sparrow]

which is what it is

well it's more like a roach

[hoary dawn]

naked beipi

[honest sparrow]

yeah

[flat crypt]

tbf i dont think thats a problem

i personally prefer feathered ovi, but im sure some people would rather it was scaled

though i cant see unfeathered hypsi as anything other than a naked rat

if they did do feather options for everything, which could be neat, i do think that image is maybe a bit over the top for something like carno

a sparse, short coat running down it's back could look cool

[paper oriole]

Naked theri

[flat crypt]

man wasnt there naked theris in one of nigel marvin's shows

[paper oriole]

Imagine

[flat crypt]

ignoring the fact this is obvs an unfinished model, while it's not my thing I could see people liking this lmao

[barren zephyr]

Please no

It reminds me of a rotisserie chicken

[flat crypt]

don't get me wrong i think it's god ugly. but you KNOW there's people who'd like this

[urban flax]

This thing is dead inside
And outside too

[barren zephyr]

Thats the sad part :(

[urban flax]

People just hate feathered dinos because they think scales are more scary

And they think dinos have to look monstrous

[barren zephyr]

like maybe it could work put as a gene mutation? but featherless theri hurts me physically

[flat crypt]

but for real, if done right you can do feathering on basically anything and still have it look neat. for the larger theropods and stuff like the big ceratopsians and what not, you'd probably want to be more conservative. but it could work

[barren zephyr]

ah yes the jp fanatics (obvious joke)

dino = scary scaly monster

although true it could work out, it just depends on the execution

[urban flax]

This is great

[barren zephyr]

it doesn't have to be fully covered in feathers, it could just be certain parts, small feathers

[limber hull]

something about the pale body and coloured neck looks so wrong

[flat crypt]

quills would work well for the big herbis

[barren zephyr]

I'd prefer feathers over scales any day, but it just has to be done right if it's not then I absolutely despise it

[flat crypt]

also, bold of that person saying feathers wouldnt work for dryo

its just an oversized hypsi anyway

dryo has some of the best potential for having a feathered alt

would work fine for ptera too. we know pterosaurs had pycnofibers anyway, so it'd just make ptera more realistic if anything

[floral saffron]

ngl, hated the feathered carno idea till i saw the tropical bird one. then wheat called us cowards and that was a dare i couldn't back down from. im afraid to say it but i am now in full support of the feathered carno, but only if it looks like a neon tropical bird. these are my demands and i am prepared to die on this hill

[barren zephyr]

@ionic arch although it is a big possibility that the carnotaurus had feathers at thinner skin regions like most main terrestrial carnivores had, I feel like it’s best to stick to the more classical carno-look that we currently have. Cool concept, but a bit too cursed/unordinary.

I would still love it to be a choice in the skin update tho, could get used to a carno with feathers. But make it a choice, so we can still choose the classical scaly carno look, along with other dinosaurs that could get a feather skin.

[final plume]

thats the point though, the feathered versions are going to be alternative variants

[clever urchin]

I also disagree with Carno having feathers. I'm not sure how ptera could have feathers but I think it would look too weird, Utahs however... There was a show on Dinosaur planet with Feathered Velociraptors so I don't think it's not possible

[final plume]

dromeosaurids are proven to be feathered, plus we got a confirmation from punch for it to get a feathered variant so yeah

[urban flax]

irl ptera had feathers though

[final plume]

pycnofibers

[clever urchin]

I didnt know that, huh.. You learn something everyday I guess XD

[urban flax]

feather-thingies

[flat crypt]

looked more like fur but yeah, it was a thing for them

[final plume]

somewhat accurate utahraptor

[clever urchin]

OH MY GOD I WANT TO PET IT!

I mean

It's- It's a really cool looking Utah

[final plume]

cant wait to see feathered variants for dromeosaurids in the future

and troodon ofc

[clever urchin]

It would be cool if you could choose the featherless or feathered option

[flat crypt]

thats the plan iirc

[urban flax]

That's precisely what's planned

[final plume]

you will be able to, its confirmed by a dev

[clever urchin]

Maybe they will add that in Update 5, since that would be related to the Skin system

[final plume]

hopefully 🤞

[barren zephyr]

Yea. Very excited about more variants, I think it’s gonna make The Isle even cooler👍 But as mentioned before, dinos like the Deino, Spino and a couple of herbivores wouldn’t really fit a feather variation, and I feel like the option would be under-appreciated.

[clever urchin]

I agree

Semi aquatics shouldnt have feathers

[final plume]

ofc spinosaurids and reptiles such as deino wont get feathers

im talking about animals that realistically could get them - such as dryo, galli, all of the dromeosaurids and troodon.

[flat crypt]

tbh you could give spino quills, and i dont think it'd look that out of place

a few running down the topline of it's tail

full on feathers are probably gonna be a no though

[final plume]

feathered suchomimus

[flat crypt]

fur-like feathers could work well on bary actually, if we're leaning into that jaguar niche

[clever urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/wheeze-laugh-gif-14359545

Wrong gif

[flat crypt]

most of the semis would have very very little though, most likely

[clever urchin]

Honestly if barry would get feathers it would have to be minimal

Like Serp said

[barren zephyr]

I know you are. But as @mellow maple mentioned, the reason why the suggestion probably got so many x’es is because people aren’t that used to having dinos portrayed with feathers. But as also said, having the option doesn’t hurt, and I would personally love to chose between more variation.

[final plume]

oh- i thought we were talking about serp's suggestion, oops

[barren zephyr]

Nah, I am all the way back to @ionic arch ‘s suggestion

[feral wedge]

Doesn't do an argument much good if you post up some of the worst examples/ideations. Doesn't matter what people are used to if the end result looks like shit to everyone. Lol

[barren zephyr]

Yea, but I still think people should be a little more open minded some times. And who says that the final product would look like what Jack posted(if that is the “end result” you referring to.) But if everyone do directly HATE an idea such as a feather carno variant, then yea, then it probably isn’t necessary, and would be a waste of time making.

[feral wedge]

It would certainly be a surefire way to agitate both the more paleo-oriented people and those that want to keep the game on its appropriate course of survival horror.

Definitely a waste of time, imo.

[tawny parcel]

Hi! So I just recently got back into the Isle to play evrima, and I'm curious of the hypsilophodon. I love the concept and the game play of it. I'm just wondering on why the decision of it spitting stomach acid at predators. Does the actual dinosaur do this? Or is the purely isle game micanics to help the players? Anyway thanks for reading!

[blazing charm]

The concept of the Hysilophodon is based off certain bird species using projectile vomiting as a way to deter predators, nearly everything about the Isle's depiction of the Hypsilophodon is fabricated or heavily altered with creative liberty.

The mechanic isn't grounded in scientific accuracy so much, but moreso to help it standout from other creatures in the roster.

[barren zephyr]

It’s still a lot likely that the carno had some sort of feathers/visible skin fibers. Bigger than an utahraptor featuring feathers, and smaller than an yutyrannus, a fully feather covered predator, the possibility that the carno had some sort feathering on its body is not small. But again, maybe it didn’t have feathers. That’s why a variation with feathers in the skin update could be cool. In my opinion at least

[tawny parcel]

Ahhh okayyyy! Thank you for answering!

[blazing charm]

No problem

[feral wedge]

Skin impressions for Carno give me a very hard and irrevocable "No."

[barren zephyr]

Perhaps, but it still doesn’t eliminate the possibility of feathers on a Carno. And a lot of paleontologists also believe the carno could have had feathering(based on research and a couple of people I know) Trying to get an education as a vertebra-paleontologist, I also believe it’s possible.

But then again, a lot of paleontologist also don’t believe in this. That’s why imo I think a feather variation would be neat.

[azure wadi]

@ionic arch out of all the dinosaurs that could have a feather option, you pick carno

The dinosaur that I’m pretty sure we’ve found skin impressions of

[broken thorn]

@ionic arch just realised feathered carno is the best thing in the world

[odd sedge]

Lemur Oro is a great idea, because it makes for a perfect predator-prey relationship with Hera and honestly the other niches it could fit into, like semi aquatic or burrowing is already well endowed by other creatures already, while the arboreal niche is quite barren with only Hera confirmed.

It would also massively encounter Hera-cannibalism, because if there is nothing to counter Heras in trees, such as preferred prey, they will likely kill each other, which we can see in Deinos. It probably won't be as bad, but in my opinion is very much needed to keep Heras from killing each other for sport and to give them a target to look for while climbing while Oro gets to play a fun little niche with a heavily feared carnivore on its toes

Because if not Oro, something else needs to be put into the arboreal niche.
And with Taco, Proto, “Dyro“ and other creatures burrowing, we already got enough, so it would be hard to make Oro unique

Also the male Oros could get a striped tail like a modern day lemur and that would just look adorable.
Personal plus point

[clever urchin]

I put in the emoji because I'm unsure if I want it or not, the fact that it would throw fruit at other dinos makes a big ? above my head

[odd sedge]

I don't necessarily agree with everything that was said in the post but in general I am a big fan of lemur-pangolin-arboreal Oro

I do agree that it should eat fruits in trees and nest in tree holes, but not really be one of those feisty squirrels in movies who throw nuts at dogs

[clever urchin]

Exactly

[mellow seal]

he didnt even credit me and i didnt give him permission to do something like that

[silver zephyr]

damn

[clever urchin]

Oh I forgot about Beipo being a semi...

But I thought about Barry and such

Appologies for my bad wording

[carmine path]

Penguins be like 😑

[clever urchin]

<_< you know Penguins arent dinos right?

[urban flax]

Actually they are

[carmine path]

The more you know

Wait you weren’t actually joking I just looked it up

[urban flax]

No I wasn't x)

[carmine path]

I’ve been absolutely bamboozled

[mellow maple]

Jesus christ wtf were all of doing at 5 am

[urban flax]

Have you heard of timezones ?

[mellow maple]

shit, right uhhh

i'm still too tired

[urban flax]

Probably because it's 5 am

[mellow maple]

Nah its 9 16 my time but hmm let's read and see the reactions

[carmine path]

I don’t think they liked it to much

Idk what the glass of liquor is post to be

@fallen path can you explain why Carnos should be able to do that

[mellow maple]

Well i did say I'd regret typing it. My brain at 2 am or so thought it was wonderful idea. That said, its still very much my sentiment. If animals like Utah can have the wrong integument, Carno and anky should the option as well

[fallen path]

Because its strong enough to do so and its annoying when you bite a deino 9 times and it doesnt die and escapes. So it would be a great mechanic.

[mellow maple]

Besides the game's horror aspect was lost hypsi and others were introduced

[carmine path]

So then you would have to add this for every dino then.

[fallen path]

Well I dont see an utah dragging a sub deino out of the water or on land

[carmine path]

And I don’t see a Carno dragging a 3ton Subadult out of the water

[fallen path]

Then it should only be able to drag 0% growth to 35% growth deinos

[urban flax]

What about carnos dragging utahs then ?

[carmine path]

Then Utah should be able to drag Carno babies

[fallen path]

Since the carno can drag a deino's carcass it should also be able to drag it while its alive

[fallen path]

Yes

[carmine path]

Dave. Do you see the problem with making Deinos Lunge a better Drag mechanic...

[fallen path]

No

[worn pumice]

bro

isnt this the same person who posted literal art work last time

[urban flax]

I think so

[worn pumice]

[ashen wasp]

wasnt paying attention but it isnt unlikely.

[urban flax]

Maybe they should get banned ?
I think I recognize the profile pic

[worn pumice]

yes it is them i just checked

i thought they got banned

guess not

[limber hull]

wait what

someone suggested rebinding alt attacks

i already have mine rebound lmao

[dire ridge]

Lmao

[carmine path]

Yeah you can rebind those lmao

@barren zephyr best look deep into your setting their bud

[barren zephyr]

you sure? cuz i have alt look rebind but not the alt attacks. last i checked. it wasn't a thing.

[carmine path]

Well it is. You can change your alt attack bind to:
CTRL
SHIFT
ALT(Obviously)
And i forgot the last one

Just go down to your alt attack bind and on the right their should be different ways buttons to click to change the held down key

Should be somewhere near your primary attack bind

[barren zephyr]

hmm well it worked for my tenontos tail attack. not for the claw attack

[wary sparrow]

Did you make sure you don’t have both activated ? If you have it set on alt and something else it automatically is set to alt

[solar peak]

I have claw attack on one of the buttons of my mouse and tail attack on second one

[carmine path]

@mighty palm Personally I want 3 per group. But they won’t add larger then that considering there may be Croc Gangs but those crocs will still kill you over food with no hesitation

So you get 1 friend because that’s your mate

[odd sedge]

In general I don't think hatchlings and juvis should really play into that fixed limit.
Like, a full group of Utah's should at least be able to have some babies in their group that get kicked out once they reach sub adulthood.

But yeah, 2 - 3 adults is enough. I like to throw the word apex or semi apex into the ring

[carmine path]

Pseudo-Apexes we got Stego the most god damn social animal on the planet and Deino

[crude girder]

the attacks are labeled as Primary Attack 'B' and Secondary Attack 'B' in the settings

[barren zephyr]

ty i fingured that out a lil bit ago. i just forgot to respond

[mighty palm]

I can definitely understand why they dont want deinos to have big groups but 2 is just absurd and really unrealistic tbh

but yeah i get you

even 3 would be nice

doesnt really matter tho because friendly crocs will stay together and hunt together even if they are not in a group soo

nothing changes

[carmine path]

Yeah the thing is irl, Croc Gangs don’t give two fucks about their fellow crocs if they die they die hell you can even see videos of them eating each other’s legs or even killing each other. They only time a croc is even relatively friendly is if you are bigger than it or if it is with its mate which it will promptly leave after eggs have been gestated if it is male. So Crocs aren’t really all that social except when it comes to their feeding frenzies

That’s just why they prob won’t add to Deino’s Group Limits

[silk heath]

why are you guys declining the Amargasaurus? It is pretty sick to have that dinosaur around the isle

[swift dew]

first of all, you gave no reasons to why it should be added. and second of all its only a bit larger than magy and we are creature locked

[silk heath]

thank you for the information my apologies and I will take it down

[swift dew]

it would be fine if you gave reasons, tbh I would rather have amargasaurus than magy

but it doesn't seem like magy is going anywhere

[silk heath]

whats the creature limit?

[worn pumice]

magy prolly aint going anywhere

its got a model and textures plus a skin

they even worked on a few animations highly doubt its gonna move anywhere

[carmine path]

Their isn’t one

[swift dew]

we are creature locked because we already have 50+ confirmed animals, not a creature limit exactly but there isnt very many unique playstyles left

[carmine path]

But so far we got 60+ Assets so we don’t need to many more

[worn pumice]

we dont want too many dinos tho

[silk heath]

well we have to enjoy what dinos we're getting and currently the isle dinosaurs in legacy have over 31 dinosaurs

[swift dew]

yeah, all legacy animals are returning so thats part of the reason we have so many. well, all of them except pue

[worn pumice]

pue

[silk heath]

whats the 60+ dinos we're getting?

[swift dew]

give me a second

[drifting radish]

iir they pinned the list in isle discussion

[swift dew]

ill dm you

[silk heath]

thanks

[carmine path]

Up To Date List of all Confirmed and Soft Confirmed Species of the Isle (Revised a bit further, some changes to Deino and Pachyrhino full names)

-Acrocanthosaurus atokensis
-Albertosaurus sarcophagus
-Allosaurus fragilis
-Ankylosaurus magniventris
-Austroraptor cabazai
-Avaceratops lammersi

-Baryonyx walkeri
-Beipiaosaurus inexpectus
-Brachiosaurus altithorax
-Brontosaurus ajax

-Camarasaurus supremus
-Carnotaurus sastrei
-Ceratosaurus nasicornis
-Compsognathus longipes

-Deinosuchus hatcheri
-Diabloceratops eatoni
-Dilophosaurus wetherilli
-Dryosaurus altus

-Gallimimus bullatus
-Giganotosaurus carolinii

-Herrerasaurus ischigualastensis
-Homalocephale calathoceros
-Hypsilophodon foxii

-Kentrosaurus aethiopicus

-Magyarosaurus dacus
-Maiasaura peeblesorum
-Megalania (Varanus priscus)
-Minmi paravertebra
-Monolophosaurus jiangi

-Orodromeus makelai
-Oviraptor philoceratops

-Pachycephalosaurus wyomingensis
-Pachyrhinosaurus canadensis???
-Parasaurolophus tubicen
-Plateosaurus engelhardti
-Protoceratops andrewsi
-Psittacosaurus mongoliensis
-Pteranodon longiceps

-Quetzalcoatlus northropi

-Rugops primus

-Shantungosaurus giganteus
-Spinosaurus aegyptiacus
-Stegosaurus stenops
-Styracosaurus albertensis
-Suchomimus tenerensis

-Tenontosaurus tilleti
-Therizinosaurus cheloniformis
-Titanoboa cerrejonens
-Triceratops horridus
-Troodon inaequalis
-Tyrannosaurus rex

-Utahraptor ostrommaysorum

-Velociraptor mongoliensis

An Unknown Community Dino and an Unknown Small Flyer are also confirmed. (I think the small flyer will be Tupandactylus.)
(If I missed anything or made any errors please contact me in #general-feedback-discussion .)
This list was made to assist players/fans and display all species found within the Isle.

Potential Community Dinosaurs include but are not limited to
(Cherry is most likely)
-Deinocheirus mirificus
-Pelagornis sandersi
-Prestosuchus chiniquensis

The Following 3 are speculations
-Diplodocus ???
-Mosasaurus ???
-Rauisuchus tiradentes

[drifting radish]

Who just reacted pela lmao, that’s shit ain’t even confirmed get outta here

[barren zephyr]

i hope optimization would be a thing in future version bc no matter what i do with the graphics menu i get 10-20 fps and no more lol

[urban flax]

Optimization is always an ongoing work

[tidal rose]

@drifting radish Idk some one wrote pelagornis and I just slapped it too along with a checkmark

either way i like your idea

I thought pelagornis also was soft confirmed? some devs said they had a model? or am I mistaking?

[urban flax]

I highly doubt it

[tidal rose]

uhh leme find it

[urban flax]

Kissen might have said it's a candidate for the community dino tho

[tidal rose]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401464048610312195/603154466744827924/67377290_2384136131856475_2539514806646341632_n.png?width=379&height=676

[swift dew]

they had a model, and I remember someone answering a question of someone who asked what pelagornis is and and he said "that demon bird that dev 1 i forgot the name of and dev 2 I forgot the name of are puting in" that was like 2 years ago

[tidal rose]

you mean what i just linked?

[swift dew]

oh and you got the screenshot

[carmine path]

Nice 5%

[tidal rose]

ive seen pictures of the model floating around too, just can't find it. Either way idk

not my screenshot lol

i dont use phone to browse discord

[honest sparrow]

Pela mad cringe tbh