#general-feedback-discussion

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sonic mural
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Might get fixed the next update since it’s been talked about a lot

carmine path
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Lemme just pounce you 5 times with my Utah Pack and you die before you get the time to even buck because one of em is biting your face while you buck

brave nova
carmine path
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Ayo ima be straight up

sonic mural
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Once different ai like the teno and utah and rex come in it’ll be a lot more options to hunt things

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Hopefully they won’t be so rare to find like the dryo is rn

carmine path
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Stfu up about queue systems, THEY ARE ALREADY CONFIRMED there is absolutely no point in making suggestions about them at all, they are taking away from good suggestions

brave nova
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there are too many bots already

sonic mural
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I rarely see any

brave nova
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lucky you

glad dirge
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Queue system wouldn't help anyway

brave nova
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queue system would be great

glad dirge
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Seems unnecessary tho tbh

brave nova
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I take it you're not trying to get into full servers very often

glad dirge
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It's not that difficult to get into fuller servers

brave nova
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it's not difficult, it's tedious

glad dirge
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Promotes afk joining, hop in a queue and go do whatever til you join

brave nova
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are you actually saying waiting for a server spot should be an activity?

glad dirge
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No

fading fjord
brave nova
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tf is "afk joining" then? and why is it somehow a bad thing?

left nacelle
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@still raptor I don't think the skin system detracts from the realism of the game. These are genetically engineered animals, it makes sense that they'd come in different colors. Plus there's a few animals irl that come in a variety of colors

glad dirge
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Without a queue system at least you have a chance of joining before someone else, instead of waiting for 50+ people to get their turn to join before you

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You can use steam and join fairly quickly without a queue system

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And most dedicated servers arent at max capacity

brave nova
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some of us say lobby simulator as a joke. If you see it as an actual game, more power to you I guess

glad dirge
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Never mentioned lobby minigames to keep check on afk activity

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Just saying queues are unneeded

brave nova
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my carpal tunnel from refreshing server info says otherwise

strange wave
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@still raptor yes, good, i like it

glad dirge
honest sparrow
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So the suggestion is basically just revert back to the original skin system

wary sparrow
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Good

carmine path
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Good sir I want my invisible swamp giga

glad dirge
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I think stripes and shit on dinos just looks... off

urban flax
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I think what customization options you're given should really depend on the dino

glad dirge
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Like subtle colors yeah but the higher contrast tiger stripped stuff is really... BoB

urban flax
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Utahs get only browns and yellows but diverse patterns, ovi gets bright colors, mostly blue
Magy can go either brown or full neon

calm ether
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@fathom garden how? I haven't been able to see my character on servers screen since right after update 2 was released, and just sometimes

brave nova
carmine path
brave nova
carmine path
brave nova
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I can

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it's just tedious and sitting there refreshing server info waiting for someone to leave is NOT a good substitute for a queue system

carmine path
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Damn hynos pfp getting better and better

carmine path
brave nova
glad dirge
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Not very well lol

carmine path
brave nova
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as I said, it's tedious

carmine path
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Well congrats they plan to fix it

brave nova
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I know

carmine path
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So again. What’s the problem

brave nova
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I'm discussing with tyndrum over here who doesn't think it's needed because refreshing and fighting over spots is better. Why you join in on his side I don't know, maybe you enjoy spamming refresh as much as he does

carmine path
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Yes i am supporting against Queue System clearly

image0.jpg
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Not like Queues are coming weither i like it or not

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Totally not an image above my previous message

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Specifically stating queues are coming in the future

brave nova
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So we agree a queue system would be nice then

paper oriole
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Why would anyone want to drop customization to have samelook skins to select from? that's extremely boring

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I think we can all agree there shouldn't be BoB skin dinos running around but removing the option to customize your colours to suit your personal preference or help you camouflage would be hella lame

red viper
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@still raptor I think a better solution for everyone is to let people have their own custom skins, but have a setting so you just see the default skins. So people can choose between all default or custom. A filter if you will

fathom garden
modern fjord
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@sullen cipher That'd be general feedback, not balance. LUL

carmine path
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He really check marked his own suggestion 🤦🏽‍♂️

modern fjord
carmine path
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Smh my head

swift dew
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shaking my head my head?

carmine path
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Keep going with the reactions thing

carmine path
modern fjord
carmine path
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Revive thy chat

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Haha that happens alot

left nacelle
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iirc it has nothing to do with chinese. Punch said the guy who's doing that was told to stop and he's gonna get in a lot of trouble

uncut umbra
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No need to write it like that.

sullen cipher
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I was wondering why its laging so much xD

hybrid matrix
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posted a big suggestion

carmine path
sullen cipher
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welcome to 21 century when people are offended with everything.

uncut umbra
left nacelle
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The way you phrased it made it sound racist, Haytham

carmine path
sullen cipher
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stealing other people hard work, what do you want to call them ?

carmine path
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And they just happen to be chinese

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What’s the problem here

hybrid matrix
uncut umbra
left nacelle
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Instead of saying "The stupid chinese" you could've said "The chinese players"

carmine path
carmine path
hybrid matrix
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@modern fjord wdym

left nacelle
sullen cipher
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when i said that i was refering to the chines hacker and modder

carmine path
hybrid matrix
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let's change the subject

icy lion
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I think that if a mod deleted the message and asked you to stop then you should probably not keep doing it

modern fjord
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I worry about the implementation of fractures starting out, and hope it's not another AFK situation like growing.
If it insists a larger pack to defend, then it'll be a balance issue where bone-breaking becomes a meta for smaller groups such as the Deino, or any other future limited pack sized variants.
If this is the case, it will cause megapacking for security purposes.
However, it'll be much less an issue once AI are all over, and the danger dies down after the Pachy has it's time in the spotlight.

carmine path
left nacelle
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This is the last thing I'm gonna say on the subject, cause this doesn't have to do with feedback lol. But you can be angry at someone without insulting them and/or phrasing in a way that sounds racist. There were better ways to phrase it

hybrid matrix
sullen cipher
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sorry for this misunderstanding

carmine path
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I wouldn’t apologize

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Just keep with feedback

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Deino and Stego should be 50/50 that should do it

modern fjord
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Yeah, yeah. However, it'll cause people to AFK more. That's my gripe.

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It'll be like bleed, over a longer period of time.

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In terms of the sense of resting heals it, therefore.. Another thing to AFK for KEKDOGE

left nacelle
hybrid matrix
carmine path
modern fjord
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Because you're in more danger when moving.

hybrid matrix
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why not watch ur screen

worn pumice
modern fjord
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When moving on a broken limb, the last thing you want are tracks.

worn pumice
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cuz of the stun

left nacelle
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Needing to sit still isn't gonna cause people to afk

carmine path
left nacelle
modern fjord
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I'm implying the "Sitting still for long periods of time" situation. AFK for the 'to the point' without that explanation being really needed.

worn pumice
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nah stego shoudnt be 50/50 with deino it should be winning on land

hybrid matrix
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"for the to the"

hybrid matrix
modern fjord
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Shorthand, friend.

carmine path
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Me and Derptah have the same mindset just different views

hybrid matrix
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does anyone else know what they trying to say?

modern fjord
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AFK being a shorthand for not moving for extended periods of time.

carmine path
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Heh

modern fjord
left nacelle
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Oh, you should've clarified, cause afk means going away from your computer/tabbing out, not just sitting still

hybrid matrix
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OHHHhh

modern fjord
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Yeah, I attempted. Been awake too long.

carmine path
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Tf is a shorthand, is my dino deformed

modern fjord
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Carno has short-hands. It's natural.

carmine path
left nacelle
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I'm sure in the future sitting still won't be the only solution to healing fractures

carmine path
left nacelle
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Similar to bleed you can wallow or sit down or both

hybrid matrix
modern fjord
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I don't think Deino players really go AFK when playing.. Lol. However people use the term anyway.

carmine path
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Quite literally fractures can only be healed by rest of that bone and healing so I doubt there will be other ways of healing bones

left nacelle
hybrid matrix
hybrid matrix
modern fjord
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So, Deino players never pay attention? Then how come they're always complaining? KEKDOGE

carmine path
hybrid matrix
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look

carmine path
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We are always watching

hybrid matrix
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i gotta go eat

modern fjord
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You're playing schematics. Sorry.

left nacelle
modern fjord
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I searched AFK in this server, and came up with 500 pages of results. Anyway..
Split hairs all you please.

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It's not groundbreaking terminology I just came up with.

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However... It would promote AFKing. That is all. I hope the balance has something in the works to avoid such a feature causing a massive impact over extreme periods of time.
Like bleed, if you are good to go after a heal, you're good to go, and sprinting should open your wounds, but they don't correct?
Well, if sprinting re-breaks your bones, then it will be seen as an undesirable mechanic, since there is no game out in the game currently due to the lack of AI.
Anyway, balance balance balance, I'm willing to revisit the discussion after AI is implemented, but I won't suggest for a PvP exclusive island to have such detrimental mechanics that will very likely be abused to the fullest.

hybrid matrix
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why would it re-break your bones

carmine path
modern fjord
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I hate me.

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No love lost.

carmine path
hybrid matrix
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also how is sitting down to heal abusable?

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if anything it puts you in more danger

modern fjord
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Smh...

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Okay, I get it, cherry-picking.

carmine path
modern fjord
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I'll be on my way.

carmine path
hybrid matrix
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zeo

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i want to know how they can be abused

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please tell me

modern fjord
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Breaking bones, IE: Pachy ram.
People would abuse the ram, and it could become meta if the detriments were entirely too harsh.

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Take mixpacking for example. A Pachy with Carnos. GG.

hybrid matrix
carmine path
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Pachy is pretty weak and semi-fast not like it can break bones easily

hybrid matrix
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also please use smaller words on discord
my brain doesnt work at full capacity on discord

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detriments is like debuffs, right?

carmine path
modern fjord
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KEKDOGE TI_gun
Abusing mixpacking, if the bone-breaking becomes a health hazard.
For instance...
Bleed doesn't cause you to lose health.
Why would a broken bone?

hybrid matrix
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bleed also lowers ur stam

modern fjord
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But not HP.

hybrid matrix
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dying IS losing HP

carmine path
modern fjord
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................

carmine path
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I have yet to see a single dino die of bleed

hybrid matrix
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i understand wut ur saying zeo, but in the utmost technical sense, bleed does cause damage TI_Troll

carmine path
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Instantaneous death

hybrid matrix
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anyway

modern fjord
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Exactly.

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It's a /kill.
Not an HP loss.

hybrid matrix
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yeah, but wut does this have to do with fractures

carmine path
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Instantly

modern fjord
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Right.
Now...
If you want to revise the idea, and if Broken Bones was to work like bleed, with a threshold, if you were to run the broken bone from 100% to 0%, THEN I'd see damage being HP applicable.
However, not until that point.

hybrid matrix
hybrid matrix
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bleeding isnt as bad as having a broken bone

modern fjord
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Debatable.

hybrid matrix
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no matter what (if you have the best pain-killers) you will feel some amount of pain if u run on a broken leg

left nacelle
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Not really debatable. An animal irl getting a broken bone is much worse off than an animal with a gash in its side

hybrid matrix
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annyway

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i do gtg

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my food is ready

modern fjord
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If you broke a carno's arm, it'd feel pretty bad.
It wouldn't lose too much sleep like if it were bleeding profusely.

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Depends on the bone.

left nacelle
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True, but I'm pretty sure we're mainly discussing a broken leg here, considering that's what Derptah's suggestion is referring to

modern fjord
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If it's the tail bone, yes, it is debatable.
A leg, less debatable.
I don't expect this game to go that deep into the mechanics.

left nacelle
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Oh no it will

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Fractures are gonna be locational and different bones breaking will have different efects

modern fjord
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Hey, if there's a broken vertebra, running would be pretty damn painful. For sure.

left nacelle
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Yeah but it would be pretty hard to hit a theropod in the back

modern fjord
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However, if it weren't centralized, etc, etc.
Anyway ~ the problem is, we don't have enough information, and they've said they've made some big changes. Until it's in-hand, I'm speculating.
I just hope it's not an abusable meta that causes a major imbalance, is all.
Until we get it, I won't know, so there's no reason to worry, and hope the devs understand what they're doing, is all.

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I'd also hope the Carno can make use of it, since it's lackluster ram isn't winning any awards these days.

left nacelle
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iirc, it'll take a lot of force to break and animal's leg, and you'd need to hit the leg multiple times. So leg breaking is something we shouldn't need to worry about much at least

modern fjord
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I'd hope a bite from a gator would cause some bone damage, and escaping from the jaws of one should cause some core bone damage as well.
Yadda yadda, I don't think the Deino should be as much of a Alpha Damage canon like it is, but alas, here we are.

left nacelle
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Yeah Punch has said that they're still trying to decide whether to give deino bone break. I think it would be best if it was given bone break after some larger animals are added

modern fjord
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There really needs to be a water contender as well. Deino is king of waters, and they reign free, where it's not exactly good for the ecosystem for them to be the full-reign on the parade of those who don't have unlimited access to water for their needs.

left nacelle
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That's what Spino's gonna be

modern fjord
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WAY later, if the roadmap and ideas have been anything to go by, both previous and new compilation.

left nacelle
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Spino will likely be on-par or stronger than deino. But it'll run along the bottom of the riverbed/swamps so it's not like it'll be able to kill deinos in every water source

modern fjord
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If the pace stays the same, we're looking at almost half a year between updates. By the time update 6 comes out (Hopefully the pace will change) we'll be in 2023 looking for a contender to the waters.

left nacelle
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Right now deinos are all clumped together too, since we don't have many water sources on the map atm. Hopefully the new water system and the upcoming map updates will improve upon that

modern fjord
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I'm all for them taking their time, but the addition of this specific creature has caused quite the power vacuum.

tight lantern
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Concept/suggestion: Nesting being a way to also generate new AI would be unique. For instance, a Deinosuchus is likely to lay a dozen eggs or more realistically. When the eggs are complete, players can be invited into the nest for a certain period of time just like in Legacy, but once the timeframe is over, the remaining hatchlings unclaimed by players would then generate in game in the area as young AI.

left nacelle
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True, but I'd rather there be an animal whose's limited to the water creating a power vacuum rather than it be something like a rex. Since it's restricted to the water, it's pretty easy to avoid them

modern fjord
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I'm down with it, I don't dislike it, I just dislike their presentation, and think they gave it a bit too much bite, and underbaked it's playstyle.

left nacelle
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@feral solstice I don't think it makes sense for all animals to deal fracture damage

modern fjord
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However, mechanically speaking. 😙 👌 Magnifique.

feral solstice
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Every Dino has teeth for a reason which can cause fracture damage, doesn’t mean you’ll be able to cause a fracture unless said dinos limb hp, is low enough for that to happen

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So likewise and balance wise, you likely won’t cause a fracture as a Utah unless the Dino somehow blew all of its hp away

left nacelle
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But there's plenty of animals whose bites shouldn't cause a fracture. Like stego's bite for example

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Or gallis bite, or ovis

feral solstice
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I totally forgot stegos bite was a thing

left nacelle
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Lol

feral solstice
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Lemme edit that right quick

modern fjord
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Why would a Raptor's bite cause a fracture? They're generally understood as renders.

left nacelle
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But if something like utah or herrera has fracture damage, it should be so low to the point where it's barely a thing

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And how would ptera cause fracture damage?

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Or even quetzal

feral solstice
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Idk I totally spaced a lot of dinos bites

modern fjord
left nacelle
modern fjord
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Imagine if crash landing caused wing fractures..?

feral solstice
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Wing fractures preventing flight depending on severity

modern fjord
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I'd say increased stamina drain, therefore lack of height overall.

left nacelle
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I do think a majority of carnivores should cause fracture damage to some extent tho. But it should depend on weight. A utah's bite should easily break a hypsi's bones, but it would never be able to break an adult carnos bones

feral solstice
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Oh yeah

left nacelle
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I think a full on broken wing should completely disable flight

feral solstice
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A Utah likely won’t fracture a Carnos leg. The limb would probably heal faster than the Utah can deal damage

modern fjord
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Fully broken, sure.

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This is why there should be a threshold for X/Y/Z bones broken, and differing drawbacks based on severity.

left nacelle
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Pteras are meant to be skittish and easily frightened, so i think they should be heavily punished for taking damage from something big enough to break their bones

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Especially considering there's so many places they can go where they're impossible to reach

modern fjord
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What causes the break to worsen?
For the Pterra: Sprinting (Flapping) and climbing too sharp for a wing break.
Leg break: harsh landings cause the breaks to worsen. Land lightly.
Leg for Terrestrials: Sprinting causes worsen, but can heal over time, maybe trot speed has a limp, and is slightly slower.
Possibly higher stages, intermittent panting, an audio cue to alert hunters of an injured mark.

So on, and sofourth.

However... A full-on break would be a dino at a snails pace, NEEDING to stay put, and have it's pack either abandon it, or bring it food while it heals. While healing moving slower around the injured, and sofourth.

My only issue is... Lack of AI is lack of food in the end, we really need a more populated island for this to work in a less detrimental way.

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Also... More means of water on the map...

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A few lakes, infested with gators is just... RIP to the injured no matter the case.

left nacelle
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Well yeah those are things that are being worked on

feral solstice
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A full on break should be rarer tho

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Like

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Falling off things

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Pachy charging

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A FULL charge

left nacelle
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Yeah, you'd have to get hit by something very strong to get a full on break, and you likely wouldn't get away with your life

modern fjord
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Yeah yeah. I'm just saying when it releases it's gonna have that "Guaranteed Death" feel to it. It's going to upset the community once they figure out they need to travel because of diets, there are no NPCs, and they have a broken leg with no way to fend for themselves.
A simple example, but it drives the point across.

feral solstice
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Pachy should have the higher risk factor of full on breaks due to their charge, but to put that charge to the test is a different story

left nacelle
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I think people will just need to learn to be more careful instead of carelessly fighting everyone they see

feral solstice
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Hopefully

modern fjord
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I hope...

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🤞

feral solstice
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They DID say a hot fix is planned

modern fjord
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For the Dryo?

feral solstice
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Maybe increased ai could be snuck in there

modern fjord
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I see them occasionally, they're out there.

feral solstice
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No hotfix for the update

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They usually sneak things into there

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Like balance changes, ai changes, etc

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We’ll see tho

modern fjord
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I'm more worried when they do add more AI, how it's going to rebound in pressure on the servers.

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They've been having some issues with their servers lately due to some recent updates that don't seem like they're entirely ironed out yet.

feral solstice
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It’s a whole lot more than just ironed out

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Bugs coming back, new bugs, etc. could cause the lack of performance

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Even bugs from different sources could be the reason

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Bugs are abundant and sneaky

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I heard gore played a role in some of the server lag

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So Filipe had to redo the value of gore afaik

modern fjord
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In Legacy?

feral solstice
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Evrima

modern fjord
feral solstice
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Ahhh gore as in meat chunks

modern fjord
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You might mean meat hunks?

feral solstice
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Sorry

modern fjord
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Ye.

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I can see that.

feral solstice
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We’ll just have to see how well they can develop updates now that they reworked the roadmap

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Hopefully it has a foreseeable future

modern fjord
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I have a sneaking suspicion that the situation with scent is causing a lot of backend issues with the way the values are meeting players on the client, and wondering if that is also effecting the servers, since sometimes they seem to go into negative values, and repeat across the playspace.

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Causes some massive frame drops, as well.

feral solstice
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After sniffing, I could see that as a potential source

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The fact the scent system bugs out and particles are flung everywhere is pretty suspicious

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I might make a scent feedback later then

modern fjord
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For sure, as I mentioned, I've had a scent from infront of me seem like it was coming from behind me, looking like it wrapped around 180 degrees.

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It gets really crazy when you're flying high with the Pterra. That's when everything loses control for some reason.

paper oriole
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Why do people think tail swipes for theropods, especially big ones, is a good idea

worn pumice
paper oriole
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Giga tail swipes, his fat ass falls over, that's how it goes

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The isle TI_Succ

worn pumice
urban flax
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Because rex has a tail swipe in Primal Carnage Extinction

paper oriole
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Oof

worn pumice
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I herd pachy is getting into that game

paper oriole
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That must look awful

worn pumice
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It does

paper oriole
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Yeah theyre adding an american pachy aka pachy that craves the red meat

static niche
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lmaoo

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carnivorous pachy

worn pumice
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Give it guns

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That’s the real American pachy

odd sedge
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Bruh, rexes signature move:
tail swipe and butt crush since there is no way it can hold itself on its legs while swinging

static niche
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sounds ridiculous tbh

paper oriole
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I mean of all the herbis they coulda added pachy is one of the least ridiculous looking eating meat

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Those guys have some mean teeth

worn pumice
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Low key

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I can see trike just eating gore

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Lol

honest sparrow
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Isn’t pachy a theorized Omni

paper oriole
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Like ouch

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Yeah he was a possible omni

honest sparrow
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Ok, now make it eat the corpses it rams

paper oriole
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Tenderize the utah before serving

honest sparrow
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Exactly

barren zephyr
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Irl herbies are technically omnivores

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so pachy having those teeth isn’t really proof

paper oriole
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Yeah deer eat birds lol

barren zephyr
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deers eat rabbits sometimes

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yea

static niche
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Not really, anything can eat anything but, doesn't mean they'll digest it properly.

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They're not getting the nutrients it needs from that.

barren zephyr
paper oriole
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There wws a vid of a horse KOSing a tiny bird and not even eating it too

barren zephyr
paper oriole
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So you see, this justifies me tail slamming random baby raptors on a teno

static niche
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Lol

mental marlin
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@tired stirrup no , just no

paper oriole
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Looked at his history and he looks like a rex maim, big surprise lol

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“Rex should oneshot trike” ~rex main

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This is like that guy who wanted utah to bite pachy on the neck and oneshot it

hybrid matrix
paper oriole
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Pfft oh yes of course i did not consider this how foolish of me

hybrid matrix
paper oriole
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Clearly this man could not be so daft as to want an adult rex to oneshot an adult trike TI_Troll

pale bloom
hybrid matrix
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anyone else feel like neck-shots should do more damage than head shots?

pale bloom
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Why tho?

paper oriole
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Depends, for trike maybe

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Since it’s head should be shielded

hybrid matrix
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well

pale bloom
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Makes sense for ceratopsids

hybrid matrix
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if u get bitten on ur head u have a skull

paper oriole
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Ambushes with well placed neck hits should be rewarded but certainly not death sentences

pale bloom
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But huge nerf for sauropods

hybrid matrix
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there's not a shit load of stuff outside of that skull

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however

worn pumice
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We technically already know that the head of ceratopsians will have some type of negative locational dmg as in the patch notes they added a neck hitbox for future proofing of ceratopsians

hybrid matrix
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the neck is very delicate compared to the head

paper oriole
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Generally attacking the part with spikes should be discouraged, and a neck shot encourages ambushing

hybrid matrix
pale bloom
#

Actually Ceratopsians with those short necks will maybe have a broken cover against neck hits because yeah those gonna be hard to land

hybrid matrix
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i gtg

paper oriole
#

Oneshots on large animals are dumb though unless the person was in full control of their death like running off a cliff or standing under a brachi

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If something is easy to avoid, being punished like that isn't very bad

swift dew
#

@plain fiber what are you suggesting? shorter growth times?

hybrid matrix
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the message mainly talks about growth

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i mean
i sort of agree with the first 2 paragraphs
it is devastating to die when ur almost fully grown

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but that's exactly why it is a triumph to reach 100% growth

carmine path
#

No you guys got it wrong

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He is saying there should be more reward for getting to full growth and if you fail to get there, depending on where you reach to lessen the loss you get small perks upon your death, and if you reach full grown you get a good perk after you die

odd sedge
#

It feels strange to half people talk about not being able to grow deinos and then you see hundreds of them trying to speed up evolution by running on land

icy lion
#

why would you get a perk for dying? outside of elder perks?

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if you die, you die

carmine path
#

Idk just their thoughts not mine

hybrid matrix
#

well

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are elder perks able to be chosen?

carmine path
#

Or my interpretation of their thoughts rather

hybrid matrix
#

or r u given perks but u dont get to chose

icy lion
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we dont know much about perks in general

carmine path
hybrid matrix
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i mean

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if u chose perks using points then maybe depending on how old ur dino was when it died, u could get a certain amount of those points

carmine path
#

Im wondering if it is like a skill tree with skill points that you obtain

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Or you select a specific perk from a select few for your dino

swift dew
#

my interpretation of perks is that there is two kinds. regular perks and elder perks. you get regular perks just by growing up, if you die you don't keep these. and you get elder perks when you do shmimimi you get to choose an elder perk which sticks with you on that species and server forever

jagged heath
#

@rare vine deino is underpowered rn because the ecosystem. If it had 1,800 dmg then it'd 1-2 shot everything. When more dinos get added deino will be Nerfed/buffed to fit the ecosystem. Same for other dinos in general. So you'll get you're 1,800 dmg deino soon ;)

carmine path
#

Loses deino to AI rex that tries to waterboard us

carmine path
sonic mural
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@split hill I’m pretty sure that’s coming already or there thinking of adding it in or not

carmine path
#

Deino will never get 1.8kN

jagged heath
#

I ment 18k

carmine path
#

It won’t get that either

jagged heath
#

Yea but you get it, it's not gonna get OP bite due to the ecosystem and that stuff

hybrid matrix
carmine path
#

The Isle would have to reshape its entire Biteforce DMG system completely just to house deino

mental marlin
#

wait a minute here , deinosuchus underpowered??

carmine path
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Underpowered in terms of its true capabilities

mental marlin
#

well il unrealisticly slap the shite out of this man if he puts the words underpowered and deinosuchus in the same sentence again :p

sharp mauve
#

Am i the only person who feels raptors should be able to pounce the moment they hit young adulthood?

plain fiber
#

Hey all. Sorry for my not being clear.
It was more feeding back on growth times & death not being fun at its current state.

Ideally I'd like much shorter growth times - essentially I think the game should be more "I want to live long enough to get those perks!" and not "I don't want to die and start ALL over again."

sonic mural
icy lion
#

filipe has mentioned that juvi raptors will be able to pounce in the future

sonic mural
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Yea cuz it’s broken rn they gotta fix it then add it

hybrid matrix
carmine path
mental marlin
#

no kidding , the thing is basically unkillable to anything except other crocs

carmine path
mental marlin
#

havent checked out the newest patch then im assuming :p

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stego is fodder to the croc now , you run or die

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you might just barely be able to kill you if your lucky , but when is there ever just 1 deinosuchus

carmine path
mental marlin
#

yep as usual assuming that im a crybaby timmy that died to crocs , and totally not just telling you how it is

plain fiber
carmine path
lucid mauve
#

im still shocked over how easy it is to kill a stego as carno, just bait and bite repeat

mental marlin
#

yes you did silly

carmine path
#

When did i call you a cry baby or said you died to crocs

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Please tell me

mental marlin
#

well not directly but it was implied

carmine path
#

No it wasn’t.

icy lion
#

it really wasnt

mental marlin
#

but for real , go test out the new croc on stego combat

sonic mural
carmine path
mental marlin
#

i am aware this is what it used to be , but its not longer the case with deinos alt bite speed dude

carmine path
#

Also that # Savooge makes me take you not seriously at all

mental marlin
#

have you seen half the names people have on here? mine is pretty tame

carmine path
mental marlin
#

you would think so but no , you dont have to turn to use it

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just face the stego and spam click while holding alt

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go try it out on a fresh spawn deino , its insane how fast they can attack

carmine path
#

I got a Big boi deino I can try it on, which I have you can’t do what you are saying

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Effectively anyway

mental marlin
#

alright im done here , you wont listen to facts

carmine path
#

Real high tolerance you have.

icy lion
mental marlin
#

thank you , finally someone that knows their shit

icy lion
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on any species

carmine path
#

Oh well that changes nothing then

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For all species

icy lion
#

alt bite has a faster bite rate than normal

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for deinos

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idk about damage

carmine path
#

Dmg is the same tested that

icy lion
#

then dps is still higher

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due to the attack rate increase

mental marlin
#

^^^

icy lion
#

additionally the hitbox changes have made it easier for deinos to kill stegos

carmine path
#

Well simply you just create an area of restrictions in the way you are facing for all dino alt bites, can’t just do it to deino

icy lion
#

not exactly, most alt bites move your forward, regular bites do not

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theres situations where alt biting while looking forward is still a good idea

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theres other fixes available for the current deino problem

carmine path
#

I actually despise deino stationary bite

icy lion
#

such as lowering the attack rate or adding a stam cost

carmine path
#

Lowering attack rate for alt turn would make it unviable

hollow minnow
#

I'm glad to see we are addressing the Deino's balancing issues. Refreshing.

carmine path
#

Would be too slow

tepid gate
#

Most animals attack quicker with their normal bites, Deinosuchus is kind of an exception here having the highest dps coming from its alt bites.

mental marlin
#

if you are in a situation where you need your bite , you are just playing the thing wrong tho

tepid gate
#

Look at how slowly Carno performs its alt bite, then look at Deinosuchus

mental marlin
#

your entire point is to lunge and drown , thats it

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anything else and your just playing the croc wrong (unless your getting croc on croc fights but thats a whole other problem)

carmine path
tepid gate
#

Yea alt bite is more so meant to be used to bite things coming at you from different sides but it also just increases the dps exponentially.

hollow minnow
#

... Who cares how slow it turns when you don't need to turn to attack?

mental marlin
#

almost like as a deinosuchus... you are not supposed to be on land in the first place

carmine path
mental marlin
#

picks the aquatic ambush predator and complains that it cant crawl on land and turn on a dime

carmine path
#

Never complained about it but sure.

hollow minnow
carmine path
tepid gate
#

Just going to point out that back before the update went live, during the open beta Deinos were kind of atrocious and easily ride'able(due to the fact that the majority of them didn't know that alt bite was a thing).

#

While I'd be all for nerfing Deino I wouldn't necessarily touch its combat abilities(at least much).

#

I think the animal is way too safe

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It didn't seem right in open beta to me and it didn't get any better with time.

mental marlin
#

the alt bite itself is good , just the foward attack while holding alt is just way too fast , when you actually use it for its intended purpose its great

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i dont want that part of it changed at all , it just should not be biting faster then carno just because you hold alt and spam click foward

pale bloom
hollow minnow
carmine path
#

Congratulations you solved slow incoming attacksattacks

#

What about utahs, carnos, soon to be ceras

mental marlin
#

why are you on land fighting them you knob

hollow minnow
#

...... Rinse and repeat.....

mental marlin
#

use the freaking RMB

sharp mauve
#

i never expected the Deino to be called over powered lol but thats good right? i mean shouldn't it be on the same playing field as the stego? aren't they both T4 dino's?

carmine path
mental marlin
#

again WHY ON EARTH ARE YOU ON LAND AS A DEINOSUCHUS DUUUDE

carmine path
#

Are you taking the piss

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There are so many different reasons and outliers that lead to the possibility of a deino on land

mental marlin
#

no im asking you a very serious question , you keep bitching that the thing needs a fast turn to deal with these land predators when you shouldnt be fighting them on land in the first place

#

if you get caught out of water by other carnivores , you should be punished

carmine path
#

Savooge why is a crocodile on land in Africa when it should be in the water?

#

Basking, Resting, eating

mental marlin
#

if your basking and get attacked , run to water

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if your resting and get attacked , run to water

carmine path
#

You act like its so simple...

mental marlin
#

if your eating and get attacked , run to the bloody water

hollow minnow
carmine path
mental marlin
#

if you are not either in water or very close to it at all times as a deinosuchus , then you are not playing the croc right

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period

safe galleon
#

God that rex AI suggestion is evil and I love it TI_LUL

hollow minnow
carmine path
mental marlin
carmine path
#

Look in General Feedback

swift dew
mental marlin
#

oh that one , yeah i would agree

carmine path
compact hare
mental marlin
#

just because you can do it , doesnt mean you should tho

carmine path
mental marlin
#

why bother risking yourself when you can just lunge and boom they die

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no risk to yourself at all

carmine path
compact hare
mental marlin
#

so if i pick stego and i go in water and die , should i just come in here and say stego is unbalanced because i cant "defend myself"

carmine path
#

No because you went to a place where your main form of attack was useless.

mental marlin
#

my point exactly

carmine path
#

RMB is not the main form of attack but I can see what you mean

mental marlin
#

your most powerful tool is basically useless on land , so why go there as a croc

carmine path
#

Because Lunge doesn’t define crocs land life

mental marlin
#

real life is irrevelant too btw , you have no reason to go on land ingame besides just basking to look cool i guess

#

you can eat , regain stam and even heal in water , so why would you ever leave it unless you want to go around a waterfall or something

carmine path
#

Yes looking cool is what non-sentient creatures aim to be

mental marlin
#

videogame

carmine path
mental marlin
#

i said ingame

carmine path
#

Also stop using bold letters like you are superior when you try to one up someone

carmine path
#

Oh second line i see it now

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What was the point of the 1st line then

sharp mauve
#

I would love for the Raptors resting Idle sounds to be reduced lol little baby sounds like a 60 year old man who needs a C-pap machine lol

carmine path
#

@mental marlin what are we arguing about again I kinda forgot

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TI_LUL guess he left

mental marlin
#

nope i just got no energy left for this

carmine path
#

Really changed your name to fit an argument...

mental marlin
#

i changed it because it was an outdated joke

carmine path
#

Im sure

vestal rune
#

are people complaining that the water dino isn't powerful on land again?

mental marlin
#

yep

carmine path
mental marlin
#

wanna take over this garbage so my brain can rest

vestal rune
#

I don't think it's alt attack speed should get nerfed, it just needs a better hitbox

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could be a desync issue

compact hare
mental marlin
carmine path
#

Deino Nerfeds-0 Joker-1

mental marlin
#

alright landcroc main , you do you

vestal rune
#

I mean, I think deino is just fine currently, just needs technical issues sorted out like collision

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although I heard that deino can easily kill stegos if they're at the water's edge now, haven't tried it though

compact hare
#

It just doesnt need any buff, only hitbox fixes
its damage is ok now
the water centered gameplay is ok
just shitty hitbox but there is a fix for it

carmine path
pale bloom
#

Bait swings, let the rather dumb stego player run out of stamina and go after it

mental marlin
vestal rune
#

no aparantly with the new changes to locational damage you can lunge a stego, stun it, then face tank it to death. Although I haven't tested it yet

carmine path
mental marlin
#

you can indeed , even without stunning , its kinda crazy

pale bloom
carmine path
mental marlin
#

might be the one time i actually want a isle youtuber to show this alt bite destroying stegos just so the info spreads faster

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anthomnia , if there was ever a time for some clickbait , it is now

carmine path
#

Anthomnia is a big click baiter imo

mental marlin
#

indeed he is

carmine path
#

Im just sticking to The Isle News Updates person reliable and fast information

pale bloom
#

Never seen a Deino win a 1v1 tho, not without the Stamina drain strat

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Seen 2vs1

carmine path
#

@compact hare want some popcorn for the next argument that maybe coming soon, idk im not gonna start it get Derptah in here and say Utahs needs a nerf

sonic mural
mental marlin
#

now im allegedly thinking of something really controversial to bring up but i dont know anything

vestal rune
#

I know one controversial topic that would send everyone boiling

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it begins with a G TI_Troll

carmine path
#

I like birds

compact hare
carmine path
mental marlin
#

there we go fixed the message

sonic mural
mental marlin
#

cant pin it on me now

carmine path
#

Cant pin it on me either

vestal rune
#

you know mods have chat logs right? lmao

carmine path
#

As long as we believe

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Use the power of Dondi to repel them

mental marlin
#

see what they should nerf is desync dude

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desync is killing everyone and we cant fight back , clearly overpowered

carmine path
#

Buff my Framerate pls

mental marlin
#

if only right

vestal rune
#

god they better get a netcoder in to fix desync

#

literally ruining the game

mental marlin
#

yeah it is just so bad

worn pumice
#

some servers the desync is actually cancer

mental marlin
#

yeah dont know about the other EU servers but EU2 in particular was rubberbanding like crazy yesterday , it was pretty bad

elder rivet
#

points out major flaw in the bot
gets told to shut up

final plume
swift dew
#

@digital plank magy is already pathetically weak when it comes to base stats, if it doesn't have its gimmicks then it becomes useless, so if magy does have to eat certain plants for its poison they cannot be very rare

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if it even gets a poison

urban flax
#

No, magy has excellent base stats

digital plank
swift dew
#

slower than allo weaker than allo. sounds like excellent base stats to me

digital plank
#

agreed

mental marlin
#

we dont even know anything about the magy so whats this discussion about lol

swift dew
#

I dare you to say that magy wont be inferior to allo when it comes to base stats

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barren zephyr
#

@plain fiber

Why are you growing apexes if you dont want long growth times

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Thats the MAIN thing about apexes

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And EVERY OTHER DINOSAURS grows in 2 hours or less............

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No ones making you spend 5 hours

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and your idea would make growing a apex too easy, now deino megapacks arent even more of a problem

hollow minnow
#

@tiny salmon, Fully agree.. sometimes that crap confuses me as to whether I died or not (In situations where I cannot outright see my own carcass).

plain fiber
#

@barren zephyr My point is why do they have to be long as they are? A 5-hour journey to adulthood that is frequently restarted with nothing to show for it, isn't a very good gameplay loop.
Some animals, like a sauropod, I imagine would lend itself well to long growth times - especially since you're nigh invincible at that point. Suddenly it's the journey that becomes fun. But with a Rex or Spino, I want to be able to play as one properly haha. I want to be able to ambush stuff as a Deino, but I can't really do that unless I surive 3+ hours.

I don't know; maybe the real issue is that there's no sandbox yet perhaps? Survival mode is supposed to be more a challenge mode afterall...

honest sparrow
#

I mean that's the point of apexes

hallow vigil
#

i'd blame the lack of any real features for growth atm. No special diets to change how fast you grow, no perks, no reason to explore very much, etc. I do think more should be done to make playables more viable in their early years tho (most notably deino and utah)

#

though i havent played deino much i admit

honest sparrow
#

long, arduous growth cycle, to get a very powerful reward, although incoming rewards to growth will make it much more interesting

vestal rune
#

if you want to be a very powerful apex then you naturally have to work hard on it with a more difficult and long growth time

plain fiber
#

I don't mind their growth being longer than the others. But I'd rather 3hrs than 5 to get to the same point.
I'm not feeling accomplished at that point, I'm relieved! Lol

vestal rune
#

however, with the way growth system works rn, it's mostly just a queue until you get to the interesting part, the diet system and better growth cycles should fix this

plain fiber
#

True. I mean in some cases you're still locked out of some experiences, like deinos lunge, since you're so small etc.

But, the more I think about it, the more I feel the eventual sandbox will be able to grant those who want their apex fix without the wait. Then you go to survival for the nesting, and the challenge

vestal rune
#

I mean, you can lunge quite effectively without being fully grown

honest sparrow
#

also, apexes only being 3 hours just sounds unbalanced, pretty sure carno is an hour 50 (don't know for sure), and that's either high pseudo mid or the lowest mid depending on who you ask

vestal rune
#

iirc something like 65% growth can already lunge fully grown carnos

honest sparrow
#

deino can lunge a decent amount of stuff at any size

vestal rune
#

ye you can usually find juvies drinking, I've lunged so many juvies in the time I played deino lmao

plain fiber
honest sparrow
#

idk, I find the hard grind more rewarding personally

vestal rune
elder rivet
#

who said that apexes should take a very small amount of time to grow

honest sparrow
#

and if you really want to test out the full grown capabilities without growing one you can always go on a free grow server

compact hare
#

I CANT DRINK WATER NOW DEINOS ARE RELEASED 😭 😭 😭 change it!!!

lmao

vestal rune
#

I've drank water fine lmao

#

you just have to keep a lookout and be sneaky when approaching water

compact hare
#

Having danger while drinking water IS the point of the update

vestal rune
#

or be a pussy and go to the shallow areas (JK)

honest sparrow
#

or know where the shallow parts are

compact hare
#

and YOU HAVE TO search for shallow spots

hallow vigil
#

as a ptera i just fly to the middle of nowhere to drink lol

compact hare
#

or at least no deino spots

hallow vigil
#

i'd never drink at center

compact hare
#

Thats the entire point of the update .... dont expect a survival game to hold your hand

vestal rune
#

but ye, the fact that deino makes water more difficult to get is great for the game, honestly deino is better because of what it does for the other playables then being a playable itself

honest sparrow
#

it makes you more cautious

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and wary

plain fiber
honest sparrow
#

honestly deino by itself scared me more than anything in legacy

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and that's including when hypo was a playable

elder rivet
#

i mean, water does drain extremely fast

vestal rune
#

wait I just realised he's gonna play PoT, he does know that game has crocs too right? TI_Wheeze

honest sparrow
#

don't tell him

vestal rune
#

probably suits him though, PoT is much more casual

compact hare
#

and gl playing PoT and waiting for safer (safer? help) water bcuz water is never going to be as safe as Legacy water is

elder rivet
vestal rune
#

oh ye they made water harder to get in PoT too lmao, RIP him

honest sparrow
#

safest water sources are 100% in bob

vestal rune
#

that's not true either, I went to drink from a small random pond in the middle of a desert and a huge fucking mosa came out and killed me???

#

BoB logic

plain fiber
# honest sparrow idk, I find the hard grind more rewarding personally

That's fair. I can definitely see the joy from it, especially when growing with a good group of others. It's more just for those that can't really sink that amount of time, y'know?
I was more looking for thoughts or ways I could look at it to adjust my viewpoint, which you have certainly provided. Thanks

elder rivet
#

mfw people tell me to shut up over me pointing out the fact that people have said the r-word more than 435 times after the bot was created, and nothing happened to them

vestal rune
honest sparrow
vestal rune
#

I got muted for saying the R-word TI_Wheeze

elder rivet
#

yet others don't have anything happen to them TI_REE

compact hare
#

R-word ?? TI_Troll

honest sparrow
#

epic bot fail

plain fiber
#

Rawr?

swift dew
elder rivet
#

and when i pointed it out while a mod was on #401464048610312195 , they just told me to drop the subject

glad dirge
#

@calm crystal

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tawny juniper
compact hare
#

It was said that global is never coming back unless its modded
a sad new for some ppl

tawny juniper
#

Some people like the game to be sit and talk until you need food simulator

#

I like it this way

vestal rune
#

people act like the majority of the community want global back, when I'm fairly sure most people either want it gone or just don't care

tawny juniper
#

I find myself out doing things much more

elder rivet
#

well at least the wave of "global back pls TI_TenontoCry " has died down

tawny juniper
glad dirge
#

I honestly could care less about global

#

Barely used it anyway besides admin communication when testing

swift dew
#

saying that you could care less means that you do care

#

at least a little

vestal rune
#

ye only issue with the global chat removal is not adding some administration tools first

tawny juniper
brave nova
# vestal rune or be a pussy and go to the shallow areas (JK)

I'm the biggest pussy there is when it comes to drinking, I will run clear across the map for safe water, not gonna have some croc give me a heart attack and pull me in. No spank you. Makes it a bit more challenging though, which is nice, sort of a risk/reward to drinking.

plain fiber
#

I never really liked global either. Always preferred to play more naturally and speak only to those nearby. And only if 1-4 couldn't accurately portray what I wanted to say

swift dew
#

the croc makes the game so much more fun. im terrified every time I have to go drink because my progress could be gone in an instant. and people saying deino needed a buff smh

vestal rune
#

lmao my strategy when I'm near an area of deep water is just stand in the bushes and look at the water, generally you'll be able to tell if there's deinos nearby

#

it's still really tense when I do actually try and go to drink though, and I kinda like that

swift dew
glad dirge
#

elephants faithful 100% TI_Stego

honest sparrow
#

so what you're suggesting

#

is legit just smaller and weaker acro?

#

which conflicts with allo by design

paper oriole
#

Its a nocturnal cera in an acro suit TI_Troll

barren zephyr
#

Yes ^

#

I’m suggesting a nocturnal mid tier that happens to be related to the big boys

honest sparrow
#

I mean we don't really need a nocturnal midtier, and honestly every time its brought up the balance is weird, so I just tend to stick to the philosophy of dilo should be biggest nocturnal

paper oriole
#

A nocturnal midtier could work but he should be a glass cannon, seeing as he deals large bleed he would trade it by not taking damage well

#

Since he would already work well as a but and run

honest sparrow
#

so allo

#

but weaker

barren zephyr
#

Dilo was for sure not nocturnal irl- and honestly there were probably a lot of medium sized dinos that hunted at night to avoid the bigger hunters.

#

And Allo isn’t nocturnal lol

honest sparrow
#

yeah irl sure, but in game

paper oriole
#

Doubt this guy would grapple like allo

barren zephyr
#

Yeah no

honest sparrow
#

allo does the exact same thing, in a different way

paper oriole
#

Allo will use his arms a lot apparently

honest sparrow
#

runs in, grapples

barren zephyr
#

This little bleeder would get stomped by allos

honest sparrow
#

does bleed

#

gets out

paper oriole
#

This seems like a hit and run nocturnal bleeder that nips

honest sparrow
#

so bigger dilo?

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legacy dilo anyway

barren zephyr
#

But the thing is- at night it’s a different story, since most of the isles roster isnt specialized for hunting at night, I think a semi small mid tier that hunts at night would be fun.

honest sparrow
#

evrima dilo will probably be much different

paper oriole
#

But then it feels like a midget acro cosplaying as a troodon or dilo lacking the venom lol

#

Idk it could work though it isn't necessary

honest sparrow
#

there's also alberto

barren zephyr
#

And basically a mid tier trying to copy legacy dilo

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Alberto is getting fractures

honest sparrow
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which is the mid tier persistance hunter

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and runs down shit

paper oriole
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Alberto doesn't strike as a bleeder or nocturnal

barren zephyr
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Nothing besides the two with venom are nocturnal rn

honest sparrow
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also alberto and allo kinda have the rivalry thing already for me

barren zephyr
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This boi would be the apex of nocturnal life-

honest sparrow
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dilo

barren zephyr
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Bigger than the troodon and dilo, and semi resistant to their venomous bites

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But slower than both

honest sparrow
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it works because its a small, and can hide during the day, if you make eocharchaira basically worthless during the day, it gets stomped by allo and alberto

paper oriole
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This guy would probably be cera's version of allo in that pairup, cera being albert and eo being allo

barren zephyr
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^ exactly

paper oriole
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Not sure what kind of damage cera will deal though

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If he will be raw or bleed

barren zephyr
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Cera better hit like it did in legacy

honest sparrow
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cera's supposed to punch above its weight

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so I'd guess raw

barren zephyr
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High bleed early on and then later it leans more raw

honest sparrow
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how fast is this thing btw

barren zephyr
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Eoch would start off with a pretty good speed and bite for a juvi- but then as it grows. It wouldn’t exactly be SLOW, but definitely not a speedster either. Maybe speed tying with Alberto or Allo, whichever is slower

honest sparrow
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so slower than allo, and has similar speed but gets outstammed by alberto

barren zephyr
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But both those two are big and can’t maneuver well in jungles. Eoch would do that, while being a tad less speedy and mobile than cera, but with nocturnal natures and hunting

paper oriole
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Idk, theyre adding magy and its slow as shit

honest sparrow
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magy is its own nightmare entirely

barren zephyr
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Also we should be considering diets for this if we wanna talk maggy

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I guarantee the only things that will be able to stomach maggy will be ceras and deinos

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It’s defense is literally it tastes like shit so things don’t like eating it- and may get negative effects from doing so

paper oriole
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Wont stop KFSing though TI_Succ

barren zephyr
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Oh no

paper oriole
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Im gonna kill it for fun

honest sparrow
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yes

barren zephyr
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Maggy is a straight Allo toy

paper oriole
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Im gonna kill it even as an herbi

barren zephyr
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Hmmmm- maybe eoch could eat it thou?

honest sparrow
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magy is gonna get fucked by mid tiers so hard

paper oriole
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Nah magy doesnt need more enemies

honest sparrow
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idk, eoch doesn't really strike me as a stomach all kinda animal

barren zephyr
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But I’d say eoch’s preferred food will most definitely be tentos, dilos, and maybe dibbles

paper oriole
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Maybe eoch likes to eat troodons or some weird shit

barren zephyr
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Eoch the hunter of the night hunters lol

paper oriole
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Diablo is the type to punch up in its weight class i doubt it would be good preferred target to something that gets destroyed by an allo

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Maybe ava

barren zephyr
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I mean- nocturnal packs and bleed

honest sparrow
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we'd need some nocturnal herbis before we start thinkin bout nocturnal mids tho

barren zephyr
paper oriole
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I personally want dryo and taco to be nocturnal for starts

honest sparrow
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basically, give dryo good night vision

barren zephyr
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Yeah nocturnal dryo fits

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I still think eoch would be a good- but not very abuseable nocturnal bleeding mid tier

main tulip
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When will the Isle be on any consoles. Am not a pc player🗿

barren zephyr
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Rip you my guy-

paper oriole
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If ever? Have fun waiting maybe a few decades TI_Troll

barren zephyr
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Ha-

limber hull
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dryo really should be nocturnal, gives it a good niche since it really doesn't have a really cool niche atm

honest sparrow
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dryo do be the evasive scout nocturnal burrow invader tho

barren zephyr
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Nocturnal dryo would be the ultimate herd scout

limber hull
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essentially just a retextured raptor with different stats and a new RMB

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lmao

barren zephyr
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I still like my eoch idea- besides it’s not a very well known dino

paper oriole
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Nocturnal dryo would also help it piss people off and everyone knows that's what dryo is truly about, it fits

limber hull
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i love the little idiot but I never see anyone playing him, likely because he has no flavour or flare compared to other dinos

honest sparrow
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make nocturnal dryo do more damage at night, making it 1 shot every juvi in the game

limber hull
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lmao

barren zephyr
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Noooooooooo

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Dryo is annoying enough lol

limber hull
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herbi of dooom

paper oriole
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Make dryo turn into a vampire at night and sprout bat wings

honest sparrow
barren zephyr
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Dryos flying around bodying herreras

limber hull
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make hypsi have it that if he spits in your eyes during night you wake up with no vision for the rest of the game, fair buff

barren zephyr
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Actually thou... hmmm I think a Herrera pounce should come pretty close to killing a dryo

paper oriole
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Dryo bodies juvie and sub JP raptors too it's a chad

honest sparrow
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herra drop should be 50/50 vs dryo, you land on it dryo is basically fucked, dryo baits you with dodge and you fall down you;'re fucked

barren zephyr
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Also if anyone takes the eoch seriously, maybe it gets its own special ability?

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Like carno charge and Utah pounce

honest sparrow
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make ptera able to dive and we have a deal TI_Troll

barren zephyr
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Maybe something more passive for eoch besides the good night vision

limber hull
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alright now that we have a cool idea for nocturnal dryo, what can be done about hypsi lmao

honest sparrow
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buff its turn radius

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seriously hypsi needs a turn buff

barren zephyr
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Hmmm. Since I’d love to see eoch in a stealth kinda play style. Give it a kind of lunge- it needs to crouch for 15 seconds and then it gains a left click where it lunges out at pretty good speeds and delivers a bite that does a good chunk of damage and bleed- and but very dodge able. Ambush night time bleeder. This would put stuff like Utah’s and dryos in critical condition, making them rush to wallow immediately. And give them a very good start in a battle against tentos and other carnivores

limber hull
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id make the spit more forgiving because when a predator is moving at mach speed towards me and i have to hit it in it's tiny eye socket area im going to die

barren zephyr
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But like the range on this ambush would only be like 10-15 ft

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So not an instant kill move like deinos grab- just something to make a patient night time hunting play style reward stealth and getting up close-

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Plus that would even be useful during the day honestly. I just think an attack like that would be cool for a stealthier mid teir that doesn’t honey badger it’s way through things, try to ram them head first, or rule the speed tiers and be a dominant predator like Allo. Just a nocturnal mid tier that does its own thing

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Anywho- eoch lurking

barren zephyr
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Juviniles are very strong in evrima, deino is a outlier

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making them grow that fast breaks balance

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You can grow deino easily if you play it well, I'm assuming you arent

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I want to be able to play as one properly haha.

The game isnt designed like that, growing IS the gameplay

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its just that it isnt finished

pale schooner
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If you want a stealth guy, why not the long and low torvo? Rather than a scaled down giga

vast wolf
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torvos issues are that its size and mannerisms will bring it into competition with some of the roster. its either big cerato, land sucho or small acro.

barren zephyr
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@barren zephyr

Alberto could play llike that

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also torvo? yeah not needed at all

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agreed

vast wolf
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i like torvo but theres not much room for it in this roster.

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unlike nodosaurids.

pale schooner
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We’re utterly packed with theropods, I agree

vast wolf
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edmontonia/sauropelta/animantaryx are wonderful.

barren zephyr
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Wait just read his suggestion more, he wants it to be carno sized? Whats the point

vast wolf
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instead of standing there against large predators they full speed charge you.

pale schooner
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I only mentioned it since the suggestion felt redundant as we have acro and giga, which are already clones

vast wolf
paper oriole
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3 allosaurs doesnt seem like a shortage of the family definitely

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like even rex only has 2 family members in game (not saying we need more)

nocturne basin
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@arctic turret That's a really good idea, and I feel that may be a perk for Deino in the future TI_Perfect

arctic turret
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ooo yesTI_Perfect

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ur idea is pretty cool too:)

tepid gate
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We're not utterly packed with theropods at all - it's the small tier that's overpacked with them. We have only 2-4 mid tier theropods(depending on how you count Carno and Sucho). Torvo could be just fine in the roster as an explosive brawler to Acro's endurance hunting/tanky/bleeder.

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Cerato's a quarter of Torvo's size so I don't see the need to even compare the two whilst Sucho is a slow fisher so I don't see why it would be similar at all.

honest sparrow
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my main problem with torvo is allo's existence

tepid gate
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I don't see what Allo has to do with it at all

honest sparrow
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basically allo is explosive grappler/brawler, just a bit smaller

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and acro has the whatever the fuck

tepid gate
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Twice smaller. I also don't see Torvo as a grappler

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It's just something that bites things to death, yea it has large arms but the most impressive part of its anatomy is the skull with enormous jaws and the largest teeth among the theropods.

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It's the Rex to Acro's Giga

honest sparrow
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so if it just bites things to death

tepid gate
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or Alberto to Acro's Allo

honest sparrow
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that's alright

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but does it do anything else

tepid gate
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Does Alberto do anything else?

honest sparrow
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endurance predator that can cripple its prey with shit

tepid gate
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In that case you have an ambush predator that rips its prey item apart with its jaws

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You could probably give it something to do with its arms on top of that but I don't think that's even needed

honest sparrow
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so, acro? I mean they have to find something to do to make it different than giga

tepid gate
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I don't think Acro's going to be ambushing anything with its current posture

honest sparrow
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acro's a bit tankier sure but its fundamental is still ambush and bite

tepid gate
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It could maybe ambush a bag of McDonalds

honest sparrow
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maybe

tepid gate
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I see Acro as an endurance hunter just walking after its prey. It doesn't look like a fast animal at all(it wasn't irl either)

honest sparrow
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that's fair

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but then again, the isle

barren zephyr
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People keep calling my idea for eoch another Allo- but we kinda don’t have any nocturnal mid tries

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Tiers

tepid gate
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Sure but it doesn't look like it's meant to be fast... it mainly looks tanky

honest sparrow
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so a fast pseudo apex?

barren zephyr
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And that’s what I’d want eoch to be

tepid gate
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There are reasons why we don't have any nocturnal mid tiers

barren zephyr
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Which are?

tepid gate
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If you give high night vision to animals that are on the larger end of the roster then they are capable of invalidating just about any and every small tier with normal night vision

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E.g. You don't see a nocturnal Allo as a Cerato trotting about at night = you're dead

honest sparrow
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which is why nocturnal torvo suggestions from way back didn't take off iirc

barren zephyr
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I mean this thing is kinda smaller than a carno

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So again- not to over bearing

honest sparrow
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dilo is the perfect size for big nocturnal thing

tepid gate
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Yea no, I don't think Torvo should be nocturnal unless nightvision is significantly changed to how it was in the legacy

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Dilo is fine because even if it ends up dumpstering some playable out of existence - that playable is going to be so small that it's not a big issue. If you end up e.g. easily killing Dryos - animals that take 30 minutes to grow - then that's not really a problem

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Now if you start murdering things like Utah or Tenonto that might be kind of problematic

barren zephyr
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Well as I stated, low damage but high bleed, it’s not going to be straight up murdering either which both will be faster

paper oriole
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utah with its current growth time shouldnt be considered a significant loss if it got its ass beat at night either

barren zephyr
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Also- deinos can straight up lunge things into oblivion

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Things that can kill other things with ease shouldn’t be a problem

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But eoch wouldn’t be killing other things with ease

tepid gate
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It's 75 minutes only but with the current AI and with how bad Utah is at hunting while not having the pounce available to them early on is not really comparable to a Dryo I think

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Deino is a different story(although I also think it's a bit of a problem child). It requires you to walk up to it in a specific spot where it can drag you into the water and drown you.

paper oriole
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it is partially made up for how easy it is to group as a utah, there is always at least a couple large packs

tepid gate
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Probably, I play almost exclusively solo and I assure you Utah isn't comparable to Dryo in the difficulty of growth. If you're in a pack it might be easier.

paper oriole
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so if it gets bodied during the night by something it's not a big deal, i doubt eo would even be fast enough to be a big threat to utahraptor even at night though with it still being balanced

tepid gate
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Not that I play that much Utah since update 2 came out

barren zephyr
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Also eoch with be slower than Utah’s and tentos, but to get in range for a stealthy strike to even land a hit. You’d need to use your superior night vision and stealth to get in close. Which to me sounds like a patient ambush predator like deino. Only in the form of a bleeding nocturnal mid tier carni

paper oriole
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if it is a heavy bleeder with low damage most utahs would probably be able to get away and hide in a tree or on a rock

tepid gate
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Eocarcharia could maybe work as a nocturnal? It's not that big and not very fast

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Then again I wouldn't count on it simply due to how overpacked the roster is atm

paper oriole
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assuming they think ahead and arent habing out at terrible spots during the night

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more theropods is kinda meh bleh but eh it's fun to talk about theoretical additions

barren zephyr
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That’s why I also had the suggestion of its ability being a short ranged lunge that does decent damage but scary bleed, which would need to be clotted very fast

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But missing said lunge gives like a second and a half opening to escape or counter attack

tepid gate
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When all the animals are out they could probably toss Eocarcharia, Torvo, Bajada and some others into the game perhaps

barren zephyr
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And your not locked into anything if you get hit

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So if a tento gets hit by the lunge it’ll do about 10-20% of its health and put a lot of bleed on it

paper oriole
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isn't torvo just an allo copypaste

barren zephyr
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Also id say eoch would probably be around 1550 or 1650

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In weight

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Maybe a bit more

paper oriole
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they're both like 30-35ft long theropods with similar anatomy

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eo and bajada are different from the others at least in appearance, torvo is like adding mapusaurus or tarbosaurus

barren zephyr
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The only two day time therapods that are needed are Allo and Alberto, a bleeder, and heavy hitter

tepid gate
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No, Torvo is not an Allo copy-paste at all. I'm genuinely tired of people saying that. Torvosaurus is an Acro-sized apex predator with one of the highest biteforces among the dinosaurs

barren zephyr
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But we have rex for heavy bites

tepid gate
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It's not in the Rex league

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It's an Acro-sized animal - 5.7t~

barren zephyr
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We don’t exactly need any more huge overbearing predators to stomp things-

tepid gate
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With relatively large arms, a different build than any other theropod we have in the game

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I'd personally yeet Acro in favour of Torvo but

paper oriole
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but like what would it do then aside from being a better acro/allo

barren zephyr
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I will still defend my nocturnal Eoch

tepid gate
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Acro's a completely different animal at this point

paper oriole
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sucho and acro seem enough for the upper mid tier theropods

barren zephyr
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Because there aren’t enough creatures that will be nocturnal even when dilo and troodon come in

paper oriole
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torvo would be a dreadful choice for a nocturnal yeah

barren zephyr
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Yeah no nocturnal torvo

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Nocturnal Eoch lo

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Lol

paper oriole
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basically pseudo apex tier and nocturnal no thanks lol

tepid gate
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They do have a spot missing - just like we have Rex, Giga and Spino in the apex tiers we could have Torvo, Acro and Sucho in the pseudoapex tier

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Acro seems like an endurance hunter/bleeder with a lot of health

paper oriole
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doesn't seem necessary to have more large theropods at all

barren zephyr
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Agreed

tepid gate
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Doesn't seem necessary to have any animals at all

paper oriole
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if its truemid or lower mid maybe but not the hefty ones

tepid gate
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We definitely don't need lower mids

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or anything lower than mid at this point

barren zephyr
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The only true lower mid we will be getting is cerato

paper oriole
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does carno count as lower mid?

tepid gate
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that thing is so oversaturated you just need to take one look at the sizecharts Nova made to see how much clutter there is in those tiers

barren zephyr
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Cause apparently they are going to make it only 1060 in weight

paper oriole
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theropods in general are oversaturated

tepid gate
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I count Carno as a mid personally

paper oriole
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another theropod would need to be truly unique to be interesting at all

barren zephyr
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Carno is a mid tier

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Nocturnal mid tier Eoch couch

paper oriole
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i mean if its done well, it does still look boring though but that's somewhat secondary

barren zephyr
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Also I had an idea for a good herbi Surapod mid tier in armagasaurus

tepid gate
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I think both Amarga and Bajadasaurus were commonly brought up as suggestions for this game

barren zephyr
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Amarga would be a good brawling mid tier surapod

tepid gate
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I'd personally like to see some sauropods that are larger than magy and smaller than 15t although sauropods are not a thing I'd personally play at all

barren zephyr
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10 ton armaga lol

left nacelle
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@tawdry holly The only way global chat's coming back is when mods are re-added and a player mods it back it

barren zephyr
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Rip

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But I will continue to defend my nocturnal bleeding eoch

tepid gate
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Rip global

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I mean it's one of the more sensible suggestions I've seen for a new theropod

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it could probably work maybe

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I'd generally just yeet some of the small tier theropods and put in some more mid tiers/pseudoapexes

tawdry holly
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looks like legacy forever for me

paper oriole
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bajada, shuno and ampelo are three sauropds i think would be relatively unique additions to that family if i was to add one

barren zephyr
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Also thou I’d see Eoch as a kinda dilo and troodon hunter

paper oriole
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bajada is honestly just way more beastly looking than amarga

left nacelle
# tawdry holly that's messed up

Not really. It's a survival horror game. Really ruins the horror feeling if you can talk to everyone else on the server. Plus it makes no sense

tepid gate
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@tawdry hollyLegacy's going to get deleted at some point too so...

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The Isle is nowhere close to being a survival horror atm

tawdry holly
tepid gate
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It's meant to be a horror while you play the humans. I don't see how you can get scared of anything in the current game

barren zephyr
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Also as bluebird just said it’s a horror game. I think a mid tier nocturnal therapod would be scary as hell if it just strolled through town and your a resting juvi, Utah or tento

left nacelle
tawdry holly
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if you can buy servers with presets then nothing is stopping the devs from making a server that comes with a global chat

paper oriole
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it can't really ruin the feeling if you can just play on servers without it, honestly they really should make it an option on sandbox

barren zephyr
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Also maybe with night vision on Eoch bright glowing eyes when it strolls into view

tepid gate
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It's not just about reporting - sometimes you want to ask people on the server about some stuff on it

left nacelle
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You can do that on discord too tho

tepid gate
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E.g. If the server has any rules - if I can't ask that I just don't play on a server

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I'm not going to join the discord of every server I decide to play on on Evrima

paper oriole
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because the problem with mods is there will most likely be more than one and servers won't all use the same one, you will need to download multiple mods if you want to global chat on those servers

tepid gate
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Matter of fact it's a silly idea that one has to have discord to be able to play the game on anything aside from officials

tawdry holly
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not everyone has, or wants discord, and it's much easier to play with people who actually use it in that case

paper oriole
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like they could just put a speech bubble or some other symbol on the servers that have it enabled so someone doesnt come in and go "god dammit there's global"

left nacelle
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It makes sense that global chat isn't an option. If it's something that completely alters the game form the devs' vision (which global does) it would make more sense as a mod

paper oriole
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not really, makes sense on sandbox/deathmatch

tepid gate
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How does global change the current game?

paper oriole
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sandbox and deathmatch is anything but horror anyway

tawdry holly
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but see, that in itself is the issue. if it's from the dev's point of view it's a very narrow view. no room for nothing

tepid gate
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In future - sure there might be some reasons to delete it

tawdry holly
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for one, global chat makes the game feel less dead

left nacelle
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Global completely changes the atmosphere of the current game. For me at least. Gets rid of that feeling of being alone