general-feedback-discussion

[hybrid matrix]

and i think that was it

the skull island mod sucked

remember the One in a Box controversy?

with all the hypos?

[worn pumice]

old map loved by the community

[robust vine]

@dusk glacier hopefully the devs will listen to the admins who run the unofficial servers, its a great way for servers for offer different ways for play and keep the community active on discord.

[dusk glacier]

YEa i hope so too @robust vine

[hybrid matrix]

no need to do injections in evrima

evrima dino is gonna be playable

every*

[dusk glacier]

i mea

n

i

me

[hybrid matrix]

muscle memory screwed me over

[dusk glacier]

im sorry

i meant like bot grows which is also some kind of injection

[hybrid matrix]

u mean grows?

grows are still a thing

[dusk glacier]

yes

buy grows

[hybrid matrix]

yeah grows are still a thing

[dusk glacier]

no not on evrima

[hybrid matrix]

injections arent coming back because there's no need for it

[hybrid matrix]

not yet at least

[dusk glacier]

asura cant do them

[hybrid matrix]

actually

no

they ARE a thing

[sour fossil]

admins can do them manually

[hybrid matrix]

ive been grown multiple times since update 3 launched

[sour fossil]

just not automated

[dusk glacier]

yes but not when a server has 20000+ people that want to buy grows

[hybrid matrix]

no server in this game has 20K ppl playing at once

[sour fossil]

why buy a grow anyways? like whats the purpose of skipping the whole game

[hybrid matrix]

sometimes i get impatient after repeatedly losing 7 trikes to the same rexes at great falls where there's a herd who didnt do shit to help me

[dusk glacier]

well i know but i do kinda thing its annoying to grow a whole ass dino for 5 hours again

[sour fossil]

well now atleast everybody has to grow

imagine a new player on an unoffical server getting stomped by someone who can just buy grow after grow

[hybrid matrix]

yeah this is why i dont like the idea of grows

[sour fossil]

no chance of fighting back and even if you win you really dont win anything

[hybrid matrix]

the only thing u can get out of them is skipping a few hours just to play as some stored info on a server

[dusk glacier]

tbh i dont really care i just think it should be thing for events and stuff

[crude girder]

Ideally the server would give some forewarning of events that give players ample time to grow, I was in a few communities that did something like that

[dusk glacier]

really

wow never done that

[hybrid matrix]

server events are the only useful times for grows

[swift dew]

but why? isnt there still a grow command for admins

[hybrid matrix]

even then u can just have a second, sandbox mode server for events

[dusk glacier]

there is it just hard when you have to do it manually

[swift dew]

also im going to be honest its hard to take you seriously with that pfp

[hybrid matrix]

i used to be on a server where they had about 6 admins to grow about 50-100 people for events

[dusk glacier]

yea

it ta,e

it can take a while if you do that

[hybrid matrix]

i wasnt an admin on it

but i was a player

[glad dirge]

Wouldn't it take longer to individually inject 50 to 100 people than grow them as an admin

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

[last widget]

im glad its like that, stupid ass unofficial servers cant sit there and try and make people pay to support their sorry servers by making them pay for certain dino injections. good, all dinos should be unlocked and played by everyone not by the snobs that got cash to pay for them. also sorry if i came off aggressive.

[worn pumice]

did someone say nycta

[last widget]

i mean they said unofficial so close enough to trash nycta

[hybrid matrix]

i mean

not all unofficial servers are like that

[last widget]

no but their all trash full of cry baby players and admins that demand respect- they can suck me

[hybrid matrix]

i played on one where u did a discord command every 4 hours to earn points that u use to buy things on the discord

[worn pumice]

its rly just

eh

it removes the whole point of the game

[last widget]

thats still trash to me, if something is unlocked aka evrima dinos will be you shouldnt have to sit there and earn them thats retarded.

[worn pumice]

to grow and survive

[last widget]

^

its like whats this? oh i can just pay with my money for an injection?

[hybrid matrix]

i mean
admins are in charge, theyre the authority of the server
they very much deserve respect (except for trash admins who abuse their power)

[last widget]

at that point those servers do nothing but limit their players to certain dinos or whatever and people will die and get a grow back, why i play official ive tried for soooooooooo long to get a good server but it never works out either 2 low of a pop or just shity admins and community

cough nycta

new beginnings

[hybrid matrix]

yeah nycta sucks

[last widget]

etc

[hybrid matrix]

nublar im not sure
theyre community is pretty toxic but ive only ever played on the deathmatch server

[last widget]

long story to explain with new beginnings- lets say once upon a time i used to be friends with the owner before she got power hungry and just lost it.

also before she even owned a server

[last widget]

nublar same book oils is dog shit

[hybrid matrix]

this is why its better to create ur own server than to just be promoted

if u create ur own server u understand it much better than u do if ur promoted

[last widget]

yeah well i dont got money or a super pc or even the skills in my brain to do that not to mention no friends that know any of that lol

[hybrid matrix]

i mean a discord server but that too

[last widget]

oh yeah true, i still dont know how to set that up. where its actually good.

[hybrid matrix]

what, a discord server?

its easy

just hit the "add server" button and then u can choose from one of the templates or design everything by urself

[last widget]

well then maybe ill try, still no friends to join it. and people in the isle community tend to be a bit.. 2 sensitive or snobby for me, but ty for telling me ill try tho. maybe get lucky with some cool people in it.

[hybrid matrix]

gl and yw

@dark bronze deino will be stronger according to the balance of the current game
it'll get a buff when it actually needs it

right now its fine the way it is

its not supposed to bite things to death

its supposed to drown them

if anything i think the only buff it needs is an O2 buff so it can stay underwater for longer

[tepid gate]

Deino isn't supposed to be comparable to Rex

[hybrid matrix]

actually i havent played deino since update 3 launched so im not sure about this

[last widget]

mmmmm i mean 1 snap of that deinos jaws should pop a utah like a watermelon but hey isle logic, gators and crocodiles have the strongest bite force when it comes to closing their jaws. humans can hold their snouts closed cuz opening them are weak. but... if a deino were to clamp down onto a creature like that it would die instantly lol

[hybrid matrix]

i agree it seems a little strange, but deino isnt supposed to hunt like that

its supposed to drown its prey

like real crocs do

[last widget]

no its an ambush predator, but the fact utah and that shit can swim away pretty fast is why i made the suggestion they need to nerf swimming speed.

but yeh

um

real crocs rip their prey apart alive

or drown it

its usually a team effort the big boy brings it to the water rest help team up by ripping it apart alive doesnt matter to them

[hybrid matrix]

i keep forgetting this but our deino is actually a gator

maybe irl deino wasnt a gator

but our's is

[last widget]

yeha ik same here, but i call it a huge ass crocodile lmao

[hybrid matrix]

same

but gators and crocs are different

so ima look up how gators hunt

OK

SO

[last widget]

gators are bound to do the same thing but they tend to be more of a sea food diet then crocs

[hybrid matrix]

GATORS DROWN THEIR PREY

[last widget]

Alligators' main prey are smaller animals they can kill and eat with a single bite. They may kill larger prey by grabbing it and dragging it into the water to drown. ... Most of the muscle in an alligator's jaw evolved to bite and grip prey.

[hybrid matrix]

crocs nor gators hunt in any way other than drowning

[last widget]

which deino can barely grip prey do to the lack of oxygen time and stamina.

[hybrid matrix]

"Most of the muscle in an alligator's jaw evolved to bite and grip prey." hence why our deino is meant to use its lunge instead of its bite

[hybrid matrix]

yeah thats why i think deino needs an o2 buff

[last widget]

well i shouldnt say they struggle they can grab prey pretty easy havent been able to do it cuz of the lack of actual dumb land creatures coming to the water... but........ im just talking about like.. its stamina goes away so fast when holding onto something

kinda stupid

[hybrid matrix]

yeah i noticed that when i got a teno and had to bite it to death after i ran out of stam drowning it

[last widget]

not to mention when you lunge you shouldnt have to turn around you should be able to back up into the depths not have to turn around blah blah blah

[robust vine]

Some servers use a growth injection system for PVP purposes, usually with this method it requires using points you get on discord from playing bot games or actually playing the game (you'd get something like 100 points for every hour to spend in game, its different depending on what server you play)

[last widget]

then just have them spawn as the creature and grow them bam that easy lmao

not sit there lock certain dinos to make people pay for them to support their cheesy server

@zealous nova on your post prepare for lots of salties to dislike your feedback, to many trashcan land creature players that will dislike the post.

[hybrid matrix]

actually deino's bite hitbox is trash

[last widget]

not to mention disagree

[hybrid matrix]

it definitely needs a buff

[zealous nova]

Oh yea I fully aware it just needs to be fixed

It’s very inconsistent

[hybrid matrix]

wait is ur suggestion about the bite hitbox or the bite damage

its not very clear wut ur saying jedi

[last widget]

yeah deino struggles and lacks rn, i mean tbh.. adult deino doesnt suffer 2 much if you stay in rivers... stegos are kinda my biggest threat so i never go through that retarded canyon area.. where its shallow for miles on end

[zealous nova]

@hybrid matrix yea

[hybrid matrix]

doesnt answer me

which one is it about

hitbox or damage

[zealous nova]

It’s week and it’s bite hit box isn’t good

Both

[hybrid matrix]

its not meant to use its bite to attack things

its meant to lunge

the bite is for self defense

or finishing off something that escaped ur grasp

[zealous nova]

Nah but It should definitely 1 tap a small Utah but I never have that’s why I’m saying it’s inconsistent

[last widget]

yeah but lets be honest how much dmg does the lunge actually do doh..

[hybrid matrix]

its not meant to do dmg, its meant to drown

[last widget]

lmao

yeah deino is dog shit rn

[hybrid matrix]

i got lunged by a deino as a utah and survived only bc the deino let go of me right after he grabbed me

[last widget]

pretty annoyed i waited 2 years for this

[hybrid matrix]

it does a lot of immediate damage, but thats NOT the focus of the attack

[hybrid matrix]

git gud

[last widget]

no but people claim with a lunge on an adult utah you can 1 shot them

[last widget]

bro i hope you're joking..

[hybrid matrix]

half and half

[last widget]

how often you play deino?

[hybrid matrix]

often enough to know that the lunge works well

the only problem is that u cant drown the prey in time

[last widget]

tbh what would be cool tho is when they added more advanced ai like ten and utah... if they came to rivers like deino rivers so deinos can catch those ai getting drinks

that would be sick

[zealous nova]

Yeah the lunge works well but the bite attacks should definitely one tap a small Utah raptor but it never does

[hybrid matrix]

u run out of stam and are forced to bite ur prey to death

thats the issue with the lunge

[last widget]

yeah ok was bout to say, for me ive been able to lunge shit but its always bb

never adult cuz i play on official na 2.. and idk just seems lots of people are smart

and know

[hybrid matrix]

aight so i posted some feedback

[elder rivet]

deino bite buff to 600 without changing up things with other dinos, and nerf utah's health to match it's model, how about that

[hybrid matrix]

@river patio #401464048610312195 for all ur questions

[static niche]

Idk if it’s just me, i’ve never been able to properly lunge and drag someone. Even with full stam, it immediately drops them as i’m going back into the river

[hybrid matrix]

like they escape or ur stam is gone

[robust vine]

you're not uaually required to pay anything for a juvi. its more for the sandbox dinos (Spino,theri, ect)

[static niche]

they just escape within 2 seconds of me lunging

[hybrid matrix]

do u hold down rmb

[static niche]

yes

[hybrid matrix]

huh

[static niche]

yeah

[worn pumice]

sounds like a bug

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

or maybe spam clicking

remember the suggestion about the lunge being a toggle? where u dont need to hold rmb?

[dark bronze]

@hybrid matrix if I could alt lunge, maybe that would fix the problem, but if were talking bite forces, then guess Rex shouldn't be able to do that much either. It's less about the build and more about the force behind it

[hybrid matrix]

actually no
its about balance

and also

deino's playstyle

like i said in my suggestion

deino

is

not

a

water rex

so stop comparing deino to rex

deino is at the very best, a pseudo apex

(although the devs only consider there to be 3 tiers, small, mid and large)

[worn pumice]

ye that'd be weird

[hybrid matrix]

so in the eyes of the devs deino is a strong midtier

[dark bronze]

Dude, it weighs more than both giga and rex

[worn pumice]

no it doesnt lmao

[hybrid matrix]

we dont know how much giga or rex weigh

unless

and im only just realizing this

[worn pumice]

giga maybe

[hybrid matrix]

unless ur using LEGACY STATS

DONT

USE

LEGACY FOR UR INFO

[worn pumice]

rex is almost a whole ton bigger then deino

[hybrid matrix]

same for spino

[last widget]

welcome to evrima they dont exist anymore, all of them will be in the game .

[worn pumice]

spino is up in the air cuz its the dragon model lol

[hybrid matrix]

oh also

[worn pumice]

could be even 10 tons who knows

[hybrid matrix]

@dark bronze punch confirmed that as more dinos are added, the current roster will get buffs so that everything is balanced

[robust vine]

i'm aware, i was talking about legacy since alot of people enjoyed playing sandbox dinos

[elder rivet]

also does anyone think that spino is not dense enough to sink to the bottom of water

[hybrid matrix]

bro theres no such thing as sandbox dinos in evrima bc everything will be playable

[last widget]

oh then yea, i just think future of the game cuz their gonna trash legacy thankfully.

[dark bronze]

You mean like Stego's 1 ton increase?

[worn pumice]

yes

[hybrid matrix]

yeah
it was buffed so that it could stand up to deino

thats exactly wut i was talking about

[last widget]

it hsits on deino

[hybrid matrix]

good job

[robust vine]

i know that -_- once again i was talking about legacy

[last widget]

so i mean i feel stego is just way stronger and has more dmg im sure then deino

[hybrid matrix]

yeah i misunderstood ur comment

[elder rivet]

it's pretty chonky, has a big sail, that huge tail, and big legs, so 8860 kg wouldn't be dense enough i think

[robust vine]

no worries

[worn pumice]

same

9-10 tons is what im thinking

[last widget]

so i mean tbh stego didnt need buff it already cant be grabbed.

[hybrid matrix]

not why it was buffed

[last widget]

why then

[robust vine]

anyways, how long do you guys think it'll be till update 4? my guess is at least 6 months

[hybrid matrix]

5 tons most likely wasnt enough chonk to stand up to deino

[worn pumice]

stego didnt actually change at all its hp has remained the same and so has its dmg

the only thing that changed is its weight

[last widget]

what? tf um no lol

[worn pumice]

6 months?

lol

[last widget]

oml

[worn pumice]

holy fuck

[hybrid matrix]

it only took so long for update 3 bc of swimming and flying

[worn pumice]

gg's man

[robust vine]

i meaaan

[hybrid matrix]

i bet it'll be at least 2-3 months

[elder rivet]

stego had 4.5 tons earlier, every other dino had messed up weight and height values so the devs went and used dr nova's size charts as reference

[robust vine]

the devs have been a bit iffy with updates recently

[hybrid matrix]

unless the devs are taking a break now

[last widget]

yeah it took so long cuz of all the new mechanics they needed to put in, idk how the perk system will work but we should get update 4 way sooner then 3 months

[dark bronze]

However, the reason I am comparing the Deino to Rex is because that's the main line of comparison. Nothing semi-aquatic will have a more powerful bite force than the croc, nothing on land will have a greater bite force than Rex. Nothing planned at least. Not to mention the original clip of Deino hissing at a Rex, implying the connection

[elder rivet]

well, update 2 only took 2 months

[hybrid matrix]

which i understand since update 3 mustve been hard to make

[worn pumice]

the devs said starting this monday its back to work

[last widget]

lets be honest here, why tf does pachy eat off of trees but stego cant

[robust vine]

i do hope it'll be soon, im mega excited for the redwoods to be added back in.

[silver zephyr]

stego probably will, they just havent made an animation for it yet

[worn pumice]

cuz stego is supposed to be a plains grazer

[silver zephyr]

or at least shown it to us

[elder rivet]

it had 3 new unique playables, a day night cycle, bleed, meat chunks, human buildings, and a regional spawning system

[worn pumice]

its intended not to hang out in forests

[hybrid matrix]

ok
i see what ur saying, except lemme stop ya here
deino drowns its prey
rex uses brute force to gore its prey
deino is designed to drown
rex is designed to pack a punch
deino definitely should have the strongest biteforce of the semis
but it should/will never be a water rex

[last widget]

i dont play herb but least i stand up for them unlike people that cant admit deino needs buff -cough- land creature mains

[robust vine]

@final pumice the full map hasnt been released yet

[hybrid matrix]

actually

[worn pumice]

a deino hissing at a rex means absolutely nothing lol

[hybrid matrix]

now that i think about it, maybe spino should have a stronger bite than deino (not by much, but still, maybe)

[worn pumice]

deinos hiss at stego in the water rn

[silver zephyr]

what does herbi main this carni main that have to do with anything? stego doesnt have a tree graze atm because either they havent made it yet or they dont intend to due to it being a plains lad

[dark bronze]

Deino is designed to drown things that are half its size. Anything bigger than that, it's going to rely on brute strength

[worn pumice]

no its going to avoid

not tackle

lol

[hybrid matrix]

anything bigger than that and IT SHOULDNT ATTACK IT

[dark bronze]

The fish eater?

[hybrid matrix]

our spino is far from a fish eater
i WISH we had a fish eater

[worn pumice]

honestly i would like to keep spinos bite relatively low but give it good dmg on its claws

[elder rivet]

i guess you could say our current map is 9 x 7.5 due to how much sea there is

[hybrid matrix]

this is the abomination that we're getting

[worn pumice]

lol

[elder rivet]

look at that chonk

[last widget]

you need to pay attention to what i say bud lol. i said least i can admit pretty much when shit needs to be tweaked for herbs. but when it comes to talking about buffing deino or anything people jump on the train of not agreeing

[hybrid matrix]

does it look like this thing eats fish?

[worn pumice]

well spino will still eat a lot of fish

its not going to exactly run around on land

[hybrid matrix]

cant maintain that amount of fat just by eating fish

[elder rivet]

now that i see the model again, it looks even more dumb if that thing were to sink to the bottom of rivers with 8.8 tons

[dark bronze]

No, but it looks like it could trip and die

[worn pumice]

unless they give us the REAL elite fish

[hybrid matrix]

i agree
but thats wut we're getting

[silver zephyr]

[hybrid matrix]

our spino should probably have a slightly better bite than deino

somehow

[worn pumice]

add these fish and spino will be fed

[hybrid matrix]

PLEASE ADD SAWFISH

YES

I WANT THEM

[elder rivet]

here's a side view so you can make up your mind better

[worn pumice]

wasnt onchopristis natural prey item for spinos anyways?

[hybrid matrix]

i think so

[elder rivet]

dam boi they're thicc

[worn pumice]

they should add these fish

call them legendary fish or something

[static niche]

Rex has an incredible bite force, one of the most powerful actually. But the only downside to rex was it was apparently incredibly slow. EVIRMA rex might be as OP as legacy though, who knows

[last widget]

@river patio dont ask questions in general feed back, its meant for ideas. if you have a question ask isle discussion or even in here. but this place is 2 discuss the feed back people give

[hybrid matrix]

should suggest this in #general-feedback

or maybe #ai-feedback

[last widget]

if they do my rex dirty like they did deino then.. well idk ill lose it lmao

trex better be a fucking monster in the eyes to anyone that crosses an adult

[hybrid matrix]

what do u envision as a perfect rex? like, what stats?

[last widget]

well least like 10 tons bite force that 1 shots anything that isnt above stego.

[static niche]

Trex was more of a scavenger, but knowing the devs, there’s no way in hell they’ll nerf their trex

[hybrid matrix]

wait
do u side with jack horner on this matter?

[elder rivet]

he was both, the scavenger thing is outdated as hell

[last widget]

no, dondi loves trex, doesnt matter what it did irl... like it had a bite force that would rip a truck in 2

[hybrid matrix]

:|

actually

wait

[last widget]

if you dont agree then idk man

[static niche]

Never heard of jack horner lol

[hybrid matrix]

now that i think about it thats sorta reasonable

[last widget]

sorry i wasting my time on an 8 hour grow just not to be able to 1 shot anything under stego

i aint

[worn pumice]

ill do general feed back so more ppl see it and also the fact that its quite far in the future and ties in with spino

[static niche]

But it’d be more balanced if they made trex slowwww. It was almost faster than giga in legacy

[hybrid matrix]

it took me a second to realize

[hybrid matrix]

it was faster than giga

[last widget]

trex wasnt slow

it aint a trike

[hybrid matrix]

in legacy i mean

[hybrid matrix]

yeah but it shouldnt be able to run things down like in legacy

[last widget]

ok i mean even in legacy it still had an ambush that would run down your shitty giga if it was in its kill range

[hybrid matrix]

i gtg

[static niche]

Trex was a slower creature, especially because it was gigantic. It’s not like how they portray it in movies lmao

[last widget]

awe ang, cya dude

[last widget]

no see like trex for me is more ambush predator like deino, you get close then you use that speed and stam to run in and do whatever. not be like look at me then charge lol

[static niche]

realistically, trex was definitely no ambush predator. it was gigantic, slow, and could barely sprint for a few minutes.

[stoic musk]

Ya but how do you hide a bus

[last widget]

like when i mained trex in legacy all i would do is get real close.... crouching thern use ambush and my bite force along with leg break to murder anything

[elder rivet]

rex's new run and trot suggest that it will be an endurance hunter, and giga's new design suggests that it will be the ambush hunter

[last widget]

well welcome to evrima, there is soooooo much cover

[stoic musk]

That’s true I do like the cover

[elder rivet]

https://youtu.be/TDGbLB_xXpg?t=286

[last widget]

i mean its insaneeee how much cover there is lmao

[static niche]

i hope they don’t give up on anky though

[elder rivet]

epic embed fail
https://youtu.be/TDGbLB_xXpg?t=286

[last widget]

they better not do the anky wrong, anky deserves to be a living tank

bleed resist to the max less dmg taken cuz of the plates etc

[static niche]

anky is such a good dinosaur, one of the most protected, can could crush bone

[last widget]

not to mention idk how fractures will work but it should do hella fracture

[static niche]

it’d be a good prey for deino too

since it’s not protected from beneath

[last widget]

this eyes person is typing forever, hope they arent putting an actual feedback idea in here

[elder rivet]

i was gonna say something else but then i realised the topic was changing

[last widget]

like whatt

i mean this is feedback discussion lol

so i mean long as it means isle topic im g

[elder rivet]

i was gonna talk about this but you guys are now talking about anky

how does 2000 or 2500 damage for anky sound like

[static niche]

o go ahead, i’d love to see some discussion on rex

[brave nova]

@plucky ridge apart from hard caps on group members, what's wrong with it?

[worn pumice]

posted a massive feedback on it lol

[last widget]

it sucks, the fact you gotta play hide n seek with your buds specially if you're new... like they need to add cross map name tags not to mention a tab player list to just add into group

[silver zephyr]

2 calling, its a cool idea but having it always invite is annoying, sometimes you wanna be friendly without the invite

[static niche]

tbh the grouping layout isn’t too great, my boyfriend mistaken me for the other deino we were fighting yesterday because the name tag clipped. he almost killed me

[silver zephyr]

I agree grouping has some problems but idk if thats one of em, even then something like that will probably get fixed with skins

[last widget]

well tbh we dont know, cuz how dmg works is kinda shit cuz the devs idk man they give deino a bite force of 500 n but irl 500 newtons is maybe the max of a dog bite.

[static niche]

i can’t wait for some customization

especially on deino

[last widget]

oh yes indeed ^

[elder rivet]

newtons are just damage in-game, not actual bite force

[worn pumice]

i rly wish they would get rid of N

it makes things confusing

[elder rivet]

me too

[worn pumice]

like just straight up numbers r fine

[static niche]

meh, they have to put a measurement on it to make it look more scary lmao

[worn pumice]

just 500 would be fine

no N

[fast stratus]

@worn pumice that is such a great suggestion! I actually remember watching a show where spino ate the sawfish bois, and after seeing your suggestion, i would LOVE to see it in game lol

[static niche]

more professional i guess

[worn pumice]

ty, also was it the BBC show where that spino was eating the saw fish?

[brave nova]

not very friendly of you to exclude people from your group

[fast stratus]

YES

that was it

[worn pumice]

yeyeye i got the idea from that

[elder rivet]

"devs pls make deino oneshot everything"

[worn pumice]

lol

[brave nova]

learn to get around the map and find each other, it's not that hard

[silver zephyr]

[fast stratus]

with i think david attenborough narrating it

[worn pumice]

yes

[last widget]

yep exactly my point the devs' dude, idgaf if they aren't or are going for realism if you wanna but real life dinos in the game why not give us real life stats? it would be cool af. you don't gotta sit there and make them like... 1 shot everything but why balancing is a thing .

[worn pumice]

these fish can also fill up the dangerous fish spot

[north imp]

Can you invite people to your party on the isle beta version

?

[worn pumice]

so u can make the elite fish harde to catch by making them run

[swift dew]

ehh, a oneshot to the head for things around 4 tons and such, but oneshotting everything smaller than stego is a bit much. if it gets a pin, then that ability will essentially oneshot alot of the roster

[last widget]

you mean legacy

? or

[north imp]

yeah

[worn pumice]

while making the legendary fish the ones u dont want to tackle till ur a big decent size

[brave nova]

it doesn't stop

[north imp]

I mean legacy

[last widget]

bro how?? its a damn trex lmao. stego would be the smallest that would be able to put up a true fight with a trex not a stupid carno or anything below stego.

[worn pumice]

allo and above shouldn't be one shot ON BODY

by a rex

[last widget]

well tbh we dont know how big allo will be but rl it was bigger then carno pretty sure

[worn pumice]

allo is quite big tbh

[last widget]

so at that point id agree

[worn pumice]

thats the only reason im saying for it to not be yeeted after one bite

[swift dew]

well yeah, but if its getting fractures, and it oneshots anything smaller than stego to the body that comes off as pretty op

[worn pumice]

not to mention other things rex will have like attacks

[last widget]

but dude carno and below not 1 shot? thats just bullshit and then you got the garbage deino all over again

[worn pumice]

fractures abilities etc

[last widget]

a trex in name but not an actual trex

[worn pumice]

one shotting a carno seems fine

carno is the fastest thing in the game so

[last widget]

ok so do you know how fractures will work since bone break isnt a thing anymore

[last widget]

exactly why they better run

[brave nova]

Deino players too bad to lunge asking for bite force increase to one shot everybody without lunging

[last widget]

and do what their meant to do

[swift dew]

I never said carno wouldn't be a oneshot, I said things around 4 tons would get oneshot to the head. carno is what 1.5-2ish tons, that would definitly get oneshot to the body

[last widget]

uh dude, you need to pay attention more my guy. no one wants deino to 1 shot everything

[static niche]

can’t wait to troll trexes as a deino

[last widget]

no ik thats why i am asking how would fractures work

[worn pumice]

cant wait for all the rex mains to get their dino then i can finally be a giant gator

[swift dew]

wdym? t rex is going to body deino

[last widget]

like is it just gonna be like ebast of bermuda type where you get sdlowed down or what

[static niche]

not while drinking they can’t

[brave nova]

there is literally a single dino the deino can't instakill, and people are asking for buffs

[last widget]

beast*

[worn pumice]

i mean its mouth is its weapon

lol

deino cant take on a rex

[swift dew]

you think the stego v deino matchup is bad? just wait till you get rex

[last widget]

yeah cuz it needs a buff, if you dont think so you obviously dont play deino lol.

[static niche]

deino can’t, but it doesn’t stop me from nipping them while they’re drinking

[worn pumice]

rex is even worse cuz its faster bigger and can and probably will turn faster too

[last widget]

i mean oxygen timer needs a buff its hit boxes need to be tweaked dmg buff is planned far future ik it

[worn pumice]

dmg and stats can be changed as the roster gets bigger and bigger

at sum point i can see stego one shotting a carno on body

once allo is in

[last widget]

it needs a lunge from the water straight up to catch annoying birds lots is needed for deino, a different food source then just "elite fish" that arent welite for shit lol

[static niche]

it does

[brave nova]

vertical lunge is planned

[last widget]

do you dont know how fractures work im assuming?

cuz i got no clue here

[last widget]

good good, pesky birbs must die.

[swift dew]

well fractures are probably going to work in multiple levels of severity

[static niche]

Can’t wait for vertical lunge

[plucky ridge]

It bugs out all the time. You got people spamming 2 call all the time. Can’t just invite your friends. Cant kick people if you accidentally invite.

[last widget]

ok, so what would be from severe to the max and not

[swift dew]

like an anky isn't going to do that much to a brachi, but its going to absolutly cripple an acro

[last widget]

^

[worn pumice]

grping is just weird

they need a better system

the whole 3 and 2 call works in theory

but it doesnt

[static niche]

Sauropods are absolute tanks anyways

[last widget]

and a trex hopefully, but yeah thats good. so like crippled dinos is it limping is it just slowed down.. how do you heal.. is by resting? wish the devs would explain more on fractures then just "fractures are coming"

[brave nova]

it is buggy, true

[worn pumice]

like i dont wanna 3 call a baby stego just cuz i didnt wanna grp like lol

[last widget]

literally

like i aint trying to kill it or harm them just no group- i usually ignore it.

[plucky ridge]

The idea was great but it just sucks in practice

[swift dew]

well yeah, you probably just heal by healing the way you heal everything else, which is resting

[worn pumice]

ye i try to ignore it

[brave nova]

nah, when they get it working it's good imo. grouping and seeing people's names across the map is too ez

[last widget]

guys..

[static niche]

danger fish

[last widget]

i think our new mapper is in discord

[plucky ridge]

Spent a good 10-15 min trying to group cause people kept joining that we didn’t want input group and logging out cause of the bug

[last widget]

look at "whhat fred said"

the dev

never seen that dude before

[elder rivet]

Stegos with 2500 damage when apexes get added (unless allos and albertos don't have more than 2500 health)

[brave nova]

ok

[swift dew]

Jace is the new mapper

[worn pumice]

unironically this would work

could

[last widget]

god dang it, they ever get that one ark modder/mapper or no? whjat does their work look liek?

[elder rivet]

yeah but deino would be steamrolled

what if they buff deino's health when apexes come

[silver zephyr]

#401464048610312195 message

[swift dew]

im pretty sure jace is that guy who made that one ark map

[last widget]

then they would buff deino- kinda how it usualy works

[elder rivet]

to match it's weight

[silver zephyr]

click the link icky

[swift dew]

anyway, say an anky hits the leg of something like a sucho or acro weight. it will probably be something similar to legacy bb. but then it hits something like the leg of a shant or a cama, it will be alot less severe so the speed won't be crazy reduced, and you might even be able to run.

[elder rivet]

i mean, that health buff wouldn't be so big of a deal, it would actually make small game hunters hunt small dinos

[last widget]

YESS THEY GOT THE GUY I MADE A HUGE POST ABOUT, DUDE I MADE a post and i got over a 100 checks on it.. so glad he got in or she idk but dude i made a post bout jace long ago i got over like 100 checks dude.

[static niche]

are they planning area/specific body damage?

that would be a work of wonder on anky

[icy lion]

already in the game

[last widget]

not sure if i did that but- i still made a feed back post about his work cuz it was nice work and it opend the flood gates for forest fires etc

[static niche]

i c i c

[swift dew]

your also not going to be instantly crippled by falling slightly too far, it will get a small fracture that heals fast and just makes you slightly slower and maybe your stam drains a little faster

[elder rivet]

not 100, but close

[last widget]

wait was that mine?

[worn pumice]

not only is it in game but there hitboxes for
head, neck, body, base of the tail (ass), tip of the tail, and legs

[last widget]

😄 yayy

go jace dude

[worn pumice]

yo

thats kinda wholesome

lol

[static niche]

i imagine anky would take more damage specifically on its underside, which would be a really good mechanic

[worn pumice]

indeed

they said they made neck hitboxes for future ceratopsians

so it shows they have something in mind with their frills

[safe galleon]

I mean he did also get contact with dondi via twitter

[barren zephyr]

What was the new info about cera?

[mild walrus]

It's annoying that they pull a big move like removing global right as the release drops, hiding behind a wall unseen. They should be speaking to the community and admitting their mistake. Hopefully they are and I've just missed it, but for some reason it's not enough to me to know they are just reading this. They should be acknowledging their angry customers and offering assurance.

[icy lion]

The removal of global was discussed long before the release of update 3, even before the release of the stress test. It has also been elaborated on that global and group chats go against the vision the developers have for the game, and when modding capabilities are added, that players will be able to add their own global back to the game.

[tight oxide]

They could just add a damn admin chat

[icy lion]

thats been mentioned to be planned by punch

[tight oxide]

Great

[icy lion]

admins currently can dm users as well, but not the other way around

which is being looked into

[tight oxide]

Oh ok

[hybrid matrix]

@warm forge rushed?

[tight oxide]

Only thing close to rushed is hypsi since it has no growth

[hybrid matrix]

isnt evrima supposed to be the version of the game where the devs take their time?

[warm forge]

kind of say, not urgent from my point of view

[hybrid matrix]

even hypsi wasnt rushed

[tight oxide]

Close to

[hybrid matrix]

if this were legacy, deino would be able to fly

i dont kno how that would work

[tight oxide]

XD

[hybrid matrix]

but it would

[tight oxide]

You forgot

[hybrid matrix]

in legacy dinos were just crapped out

[tight oxide]

We already have flying dead body bug

From legacy

But that should be fixed in no time

[hybrid matrix]

nothing in evrima has been rushed

except for the release of evrima

that was kinda rushed

well

[tight oxide]

Ik but still weird how hyspi doesnt have a growth

[hybrid matrix]

the content creator version

[hybrid matrix]

it doesnt have growth for the same reason that velo, oro, and taco didnt have growth

too small

[warm forge]

kind of say, not meaning that they rushing the making of dino, just want to say that they could maybe ''slowdown'' that part and concentrate on features

[tight oxide]

I guess so

[tight oxide]

Every dino update comes with new features

[hybrid matrix]

wdym slow down?

[warm forge]

sure but what if 100% concentrate of those features and no dinos for a time ?

[hybrid matrix]

the whole reason that update 3 was so slow is bc they had to make two completely new features for the new creatures

[hybrid matrix]

even with new features im sure the game would get boring if we only had the same dinos

[tight oxide]

They want to fill the roster more first to make ppl not get bored fast

[warm forge]

did you read my feedback ?! I mentionned features like perk,diet,nesting...

for those already there

[tight oxide]

After all only 6 thing worth growing rn

[hybrid matrix]

yes i understand but even then, ppl would get bored

its not about the features

[warm forge]

not special features specific to single dinos

[hybrid matrix]

its about the playables

[warm forge]

oh, from there is all about opinnion then

[tight oxide]

Their going to add more features with dinos so just wait

[hybrid matrix]

bc we kno about wut's coming in later updates (dinos i mean), its more exciting to get the dinos than the features

also some features only make sense if theyre added with certain dinos

[tight oxide]

Plus some updates later on wont get a dino

[warm forge]

for me I would want to have better gameplay with dinos already there

[hybrid matrix]

well, some features are complete with certain dinos

ish

complete-ish

[warm forge]

like diet to stop cannibalizing

[hybrid matrix]

its like how without omnivores in the nesting update, nobody would have to worry about nest raids

[hybrid matrix]

actually one of the dinos in update 5 is cerato, the cannibal dino

[warm forge]

night vision to add more tense gameplay

[hybrid matrix]

without cerato update 5 doesnt work well

[warm forge]

and perk for update sense of progression

anyway

thats what personnaly I want

[hybrid matrix]

how is it more tense without dilo or troodon, the two nocturnal hunters who have better night vision than any other dino in the game

[tight oxide]

Ik is the only main thing i can see them adding without a dino

[warm forge]

lets see what will be the roadmap

[hybrid matrix]

Ik?

[tight oxide]

Ground alignment

[hybrid matrix]

oh

[tight oxide]

Like legacy

[hybrid matrix]

isnt that already in?

[tight oxide]

I mean

[icy lion]

we have terrain alignment but not true ik

[hybrid matrix]

oh

ok

[tight oxide]

Yea that

[icy lion]

true ik actually puts your feet on the ground, and will move/bend your legs to match

[hybrid matrix]

ooh

[tight oxide]

But their gonna add it just wait cus if thats rushed then we have the crouch on rock to be funny bug

Wonder why sandbox wasnt planned soon

[hybrid matrix]

reread the feedback and no dino will be added without the mechanic that goes with it

in fact

[tight oxide]

Injury update doesnt need pachy to be fair

Since deino could break a bone

And fall damage is there

But i see what you mean

[hybrid matrix]

this is the only guaranteed way to get a fracture without pachy being in the game

well

[tight oxide]

Deino...

And maybe stego

[hybrid matrix]

was deino confirmed to have fracture dmg?

[tight oxide]

It might but not confirmed

[hybrid matrix]

well then u shouldnt expect it to get fracture dmg when update 4 comes

[tight oxide]

I say might just so deino encounters are more fatel if you escape

[hybrid matrix]

if its not confirmed then dont expect it to come
at least not in the near future that is

[tight oxide]

But it would be weird to have only one dino do bone damage

[hybrid matrix]

anyway, i gotta get to work

[tight oxide]

Ah ok

[warm forge]

you think that adding perk and diet system( for example) can't be added to the already existed dinos ?? not sure lol

if its the case we will never got it

[tight oxide]

Diets not really cus we need more dinos

Perks maybe

[warm forge]

no, diets help against cannibalizing

[hybrid matrix]

it kinda needs cerato since cera is the only dino that we know will be able to eat gore

[hybrid matrix]

cannibalizing isnt a big issue

[tight oxide]

They said not that important rn

[hybrid matrix]

and thats not the purpose of diets or perks

[warm forge]

true but when it happeneing it sucks like hell

[tight oxide]

Since the game wasnt meant to have rules

[tight oxide]

Get a pack

jk

[hybrid matrix]

doesnt make it an issue

[tight oxide]

But really not best to hunt alone

[warm forge]

about perk we dont have any details so ...

[hybrid matrix]

actually we do

[warm forge]

really ? tell me

[hybrid matrix]

perks are meant to stop afk growing

[warm forge]

I see that as adding progression

[hybrid matrix]

also

[warm forge]

?

[hybrid matrix]

theyre not shit like "+ 5 damage"

[tight oxide]

Thought diets were for that

[hybrid matrix]

thats garbage

[warm forge]

no abilities

?

[hybrid matrix]

both of them do that

[hybrid matrix]

ew

[tight oxide]

Diets are so you go hunt what your dino wants soo

[warm forge]

from the character menu, by side of the DNA chain there is some slots since legacy

[hybrid matrix]

abilities are definitely not coming

[hybrid matrix]

yeah thats gotta do with perks

[tight oxide]

Hope ti doesnt get anything from bob cus jesus that game is unfair

[warm forge]

ok so perks could be cool things, not op things but some bonus

[hybrid matrix]

perks'll work by sacrificing one stat for another

[warm forge]

nice

I like that

confirmed ?

[hybrid matrix]

but u cant get more damage

[tight oxide]

Good

[hybrid matrix]

mostly its quality of life stuff

[tight oxide]

Dont wanna be bob where velos can buff their damage

[warm forge]

do they gave some example ?

s

[hybrid matrix]

so probably reduced hunger drain, but faster thirst drain vice versa and stuff like that

[warm forge]

sounds nice

[tight oxide]

Deinos will prob take less water

[hybrid matrix]

no examples have been given

[warm forge]

deino already dont need to drink when in water

lesser hunger should be better

[tight oxide]

I meant that lol

[hybrid matrix]

i hope there's hearing and smelling perks

[warm forge]

well...lets dream then

[tight oxide]

I smell hypos

[warm forge]

but anyway, still things i WOULD WANT FIRST

sry caps

[tight oxide]

Hypos will come in a year i bet

[hybrid matrix]

hypos will come after the game is finished

[warm forge]

OR very different dinos...like the last ones (ptera and deimo)

thats this update that bring me back

[tight oxide]

Hoping Quetz comes soon

[hybrid matrix]

ptera and deino were added so that the devs had the foundations for skimming, flying, swimming underwater etc

[static niche]

dont want another hypo hacking situation

[hybrid matrix]

nah

quetz wont be for a while

its pretty much a bigger ptera with a different playstyle

it shouldnt be high priority

[warm forge]

true and nice 🙂 so now we could have some general features appliable for all dinos.

dont misunderstand me, having more dinos is a good thing tho but not in next update

but...thats only my opinion

another big thing....and maybe more than perk and diet is AI

more is needed definitively

too many empty spots

[last widget]

i need you to english this part out for me so i can understand

are you saying we need more ai?

cuz if so yes we do, lots of people agree.

[warm forge]

lol...sry not my first lang......telling that AI is maybe more important that perk and diet system

[last widget]

nah bro you're good lol dont sweat it

[warm forge]

yes

[fickle frigate]

We only need more AI because the map size is so bloody large. I love the large map, it feels more realistic having actual terrain to migrate across in search of resources... but on a 100+ pop server that is full at all times, you barely see anyone.

[warm forge]

exactly

same for me

[last widget]

yeah for me where i say an issue for 2 many ai is lag, cuz like if we have 200 + ai and 100+ players it would well i think would cause horrid lag

[warm forge]

maybe put the same spawn system than Legacy version could be good ?

[last widget]

we only have like 5% of the map, just wait till it gets expanded, but yes i agree more ai.

[warm forge]

like chance of appearing a IA when you hungry

[last widget]

and different types of ai

[hybrid matrix]

NO

NO MORE CODDLING FOR CARNIVORES

[warm forge]

lol why ?

[last widget]

yeah no

[hybrid matrix]

IM SICK AND TIRED OF IT

[last widget]

that would make the game unskillful

[hybrid matrix]

NO

MORE

[fickle frigate]

Yeah, everyone's proposed solution is to add more AI, but that means more server resources are needed to run the game.

The actual solution would be a smaller map (as much as I hate to say it) to force people to come into contact more, rather than add a bunch of resource-intensive AI into the mix.

[warm forge]

ahahah

ok ok I abandon

[last widget]

lmao damn lord got offended over it,

[warm forge]

but...when you dying cuz you dont see any players....

[hybrid matrix]

then go play in a populated area

[last widget]

you have to stay in well known areas right now on evrima your action will be around center.

[warm forge]

too many cannibalizing

[paper oriole]

won't a smaller map come when they finish redoing thenyaw anyway?

[hybrid matrix]

get better at hiding and fighting

[warm forge]

huh, I never attack my own specie

[last widget]

welp then idk what to say bud, thats the isle.. specially if you play on servers with rules.. it doesnt stop cannabils.

[fickle frigate]

Tell that to a brand new player who doesn't know the map. There isn't even a map in the game. People have to use external resources to figure out where they are. lol

[warm forge]

maybe diet system could fix taht

[last widget]

actually there is

[warm forge]

diet system not supposed to add malus if you eat your own flesh ?

[hybrid matrix]

theres a fun little expression
that expression is LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKES

[warm forge]

Im pretty sure I read about that

[fickle frigate]

Please go back to Derping in Derptah. Your use of caps and such is obnoxious.

[hybrid matrix]

some dinos will be allowed to cannibalize
like cera, and hopefully deino
and hopefully apex predators will be able to cannibalize without much consequence

[last widget]

whoa whoa calm down people

[hybrid matrix]

wa-was that an insult?

"Derping in Derptah"

[last widget]

now to these new players this is the link you use to know where you're going https://vulnona.com/game/the_isle/ isla spiro #3 is the latest version of the map on evrima

[fickle frigate]

So is your entire manner of communicating. Returning in same, and it was a lighthearted remark. Your own name says Lord of Derptah. lol

[fickle frigate]

Didn't know that was an official resource 😛

And it's not in game.

It's something someone has to figure out for themselves, either by googling or happening across someone in-game (who is local and the same species now, as there is no global chat) that might tell them that.

[warm forge]

nice ty

oh...same map I alrdy use

[last widget]

yes no problems to any new players please look at my feedback post above this channel it will help you guys

[warm forge]

ty anyway

[hybrid matrix]

so that was an insult?

[fickle frigate]

We currently have to rely on an external asset for navigation and communication, because the devs restrict both in the game.

[last widget]

and this map 😉 to you new players also, you having trouble around the map? here you go ! https://vulnona.com/game/the_isle/

[fickle frigate]

Un-official. Says right there.

I use it, have used it for years. My point stands.

[warm forge]

oooh didnt noticed the interactive one ty!

[hybrid matrix]

that insult is like replacing broccoli with candy and expecting a 3-year old to be upset about it

[last widget]

lmao cool

[last widget]

idc lmao if you have just pointing it out to everyone thats a scrub lord

[hybrid matrix]

kusiami, ur insult is an insult to insults

[fickle frigate]

Sure ruffled your feathers, you're still going on about it. Anyway...

[last widget]

tf is your pfp

lol

[fickle frigate]

Back to things that matter. The Isle!

[hybrid matrix]

a utahraptor from legacy

[last widget]

sick of people trying to act hard in the discord

[static niche]

The isle community is pretty reliable when it comes to making maps and locating certain popular spots. Doesn't matter if it's official or not honestly

[fickle frigate]

Overall I love Evrima.

[hybrid matrix]

im just trying to process the fact that it was an insult

[fickle frigate]

The new Isla Spiro is gorgeous.

[last widget]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[hybrid matrix]

it looked like nonsense when i first saw it

[fickle frigate]

It wasn't, oh Great Lord, it was a lighthearted comment. lol Chill, kiddo.

[last widget]

he isnt offended

so idk why you're telling him to chill

[fickle frigate]

I don't remember asking you to read his mind for me, but thank you.

lmao

[hybrid matrix]

im offended that kusiami is trying to pass this off as an insult

[last widget]

then gtfo of here with your dumb ass shit

[fickle frigate]

hahaha

[last widget]

no one cares

[static niche]

[last widget]

meant for isle topic not little keyboard warriors to argue

[hybrid matrix]

the only thing that offends me is how dumb ur insult is

[fickle frigate]

sigh I forgot that The Isle has such a young community.

[last widget]

sigh and i forgot we got dumb childish adults so sad

now go

[fickle frigate]

Been trying to shift back to the Isle after the derailment. You're continuing it further.

[hybrid matrix]

from the brilliant mind that brought you, "Derping in derptah"

[last widget]

cool then go away lol

[static niche]

I've met more immature adults on The Isle compared to immature teenagers.

js.

[last widget]

^

^

^

[fickle frigate]

Talking about the map size causing issues with finding other players.

[paper oriole]

Ah good ol' toxic islecord i love you

[last widget]

lol

[static niche]

[hybrid matrix]

[last widget]

yes and i gave ya a link to help you

there ya go

[hybrid matrix]

[last widget]

lmao]

[fickle frigate]

AI would be nice. AI herds would be wonderful, but as a feature, not as a fix for an issue that is caused by the size of the map.

[hybrid matrix]

ai herds are tricky

[last widget]

did you look at the road map

[hybrid matrix]

bc on the one hand

its a great idea on paper

but on the other hand

[worn pumice]

Wow that’s a cringe insult

[last widget]

like... wait have yall not seen the streams of their ai herds?

[hybrid matrix]

too many ai herds and servers will crash

[last widget]

its a plan its just tricky why we havent gotten ai teno or utah

[hybrid matrix]

im saying a perfect balance in terms of numbers is gonna be hard to find

[paper oriole]

Is the thenyaw remake going to be the same size as old thenyaw?

[last widget]

oh ik fs

[paper oriole]

Theyre still doing it right?

[fickle frigate]

No, I don't hang on the developers' every word like gospel from on high. I play their lovely game, and check things casually, but I'm not particularly attached to things.

[last widget]

mm no clue tbh i just heard red woods coming in update 4

[paper oriole]

If new thenyaw is going to be the same size then you'll get your smaller map then

Then people dont have to be forced to play on a map that is too big or too small

[last widget]

its not words, no one does that devs even tell you not to take their word for it so... literal fucking proof in the stream of him messing with an ai herd of utahs and tenos but ok bud

[fickle frigate]

I come here to throw my tiny voice in from time to time in the hopes that it may somehow contribute to the direction of the game.

Many people suggesting the same thing is not a bad thing, as you seem to think. It is actually a good thing, and demonstrates that many people want that thing - that there is some consensus for a change from within the community.

[warm forge]

well...then how will be possible to get original map that big ...with no IA ? will be too big for only 150 pls

[hybrid matrix]

A. ive got to get back to work
B. like i said its a balancing act

[last widget]

um... you do realize this game isnt just based upon eating ai right? its based on pvp survival eating other players.

god people now days would cry so hard back in 2016 when ai wasnt a thing

[fickle frigate]

The issue is the huge map being huge. Everyone loves the huge map, huge maps are good. But the issue is filling it with people.

No server can support the 1000+ pop it would take to make even the current map feel full. We need AI to address this, or we need a smaller map.

[warm forge]

??? still MUCH too big for only 150 players dont you think ?

[fickle frigate]

Not even talking about dietary needs here. Just talking about the game feeling empty.

[last widget]

no the map that we got eventually hopefully can hold 200 people the map that we truly have isnt unlocked that map is fucking MASSSSSSIVEEEEEEE

know that link i showed you? zoom out lol all the islands around it will be able to go to etc

[warm forge]

yes thats the one im talking about

[fickle frigate]

The current map could hold a thousand people. The map is not the limiting factor, it is the resources required to run a server with enough people to make the map feel populated.

[carmine path]

1000 players gonna be needed for that big ass map

[warm forge]

that big locked map

[fickle frigate]

AI would also increase server load.

[last widget]

uh hell no

lmao

[carmine path]

Im exaggerating

[fickle frigate]

I agree, and said as much.

[last widget]

trying to make me die from choking? when i saw that.. jesus a 100?

[warm forge]

im very curious how they will take that problem

[last widget]

1000*

[last widget]

ik but jesus christ imagine

[warm forge]

even 200 players will not be enough for that big

[static niche]

for 1000, they’d need some powerful ass servers lol

[fickle frigate]

The problem is making a map that is too huge, and it being impossible to actually make it feel populated because no server can handle the numbers needed.

[last widget]

200 would do it just fine, gives everyone space to expand not to mention ai will be there.

[warm forge]

true

[fickle frigate]

AI herds are necessary simply to make the game feel like it is alive.

[carmine path]

They are gonna need servers that are able to run with players over 200 with the release of that map because the map is simply to big for 200

[last widget]

but this game isnt based on survivng on ai... its a pvp survival game eat or be eaten

[warm forge]

sure thing...but much more IA will be needed

and Im thinking about how much they will be able to add without rashing

[last widget]

oh yes for sure and different ai will be a thing by the time we even get close to the map unlocked

[fickle frigate]

Yes. But when you can wander for three hours and find no one - starving to death long before you see another player, it means that the map is too bloody large.

[last widget]

yeah why i think their doing a ui overhal? but their like upgrading servers or tweaking so eventually if a shitty nublar can handle 200 cap on gross legacy evrima will be able to also

[fickle frigate]

This isn't an issue of carebears wanting passive AI to eat for free food. The issue is the map is too big and the player count too low (even at 100+).

I think 200 on the current map would be a massive improvement. But 200 on a map four times the size? The current problems will double at that point. The game will feel even more empty, if they increase the size before they implement herds.

[last widget]

then go hunt in grounds thata re active not on the edge of the map, center is a huge area that tends to be very active... you just gotta learn the areas.. as v3 people loved the great falls why? cause herbs had so much food and good grounds.. so eventually you would find apexs lurking there.

[carmine path]

You just doomed your argument

[hybrid matrix]

so wander to the places that are commonly populated BOOM PROBLEM SOLVED

[last widget]

mm about the player cap .. how?

[carmine path]

No, we don’t want hotspots, hotspots is what we are trying to get RID OF

[hybrid matrix]

pyro

buddy

[fickle frigate]

I've really stopped responding to a couple of people in here because they keep going back to the same silly talking points and do not take an objective stance on the issues at hand.

Linking player-sourced maps, referencing old status quo. These people are stuck in the past, which is unusual for kids. lol

[hybrid matrix]

listen to me

[last widget]

i see your point but good luck bud, hot spots will always be a thing ALWAYS! look how huge v3 was but you always had action ... where? twin lakes

[hybrid matrix]

im about to say something really important

[carmine path]

You’re telling me you want Twins 2.0 and see good ol Titan Lake unpopulated

[last widget]

hot spots will never stop and will always be a thing

[fickle frigate]

That said, we all kind of agree....

[hybrid matrix]

im trusting that ur gonna listen to me pyro

pyro, u listening?

[fickle frigate]

All of our problems are caused by the map size vs player count.

[carmine path]

Hurry your ass up

[last widget]

id prefer titan lake to be the hot spot its huge lots of cover etc

[warm forge]

im agree

[hybrid matrix]

this is super important, k?

[carmine path]

[fickle frigate]

There will always be hotspots.

[carmine path]

Hurry up

[hybrid matrix]

wdym
i said it

[last widget]

^^^^^^^

[fickle frigate]

It's a PVP game. Carnivores will go to where the herbivores congregate.

[hybrid matrix]

u werent listening, were u pyro

[last widget]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

[carmine path]

You ain’t say shit

[hybrid matrix]

i said

[last widget]

if dumb herbs wanna stay in one area then so be it lmao

[carmine path]

You damn troll

[hybrid matrix]

[last widget]

carnivores will go there and pick off herbs

[fickle frigate]

But if your map is so bloody huge that you can never find the bloody herds, as they move around since there's only two or three bushes per square kilometer lol....

[hybrid matrix]

the only hotspots that i want are caused by diets

[carmine path]

Diets almost eliminates hotspots

[fickle frigate]

Like I said, children.

[last widget]

well trust me on this, they arent gonna just bam wham unlock the whole map.... different biomes will be a thing... the map will unlock over time as people will learn slowly. right now center is a huge hot spot for everyone lol

or swamp

[hybrid matrix]

where certain dinos live in certain areas and are preyed upon by certain dinos, meaning that u have a prefered area of the map for ur dino

[last widget]

^^^^^^^^^^^

[carmine path]

Icky be the hype man

[fickle frigate]

Oh, I'm sure they will have a lovely implementation of the larger map. I will love it. I love the existing map, it is absolutely beautiful.

But it will be empty and devoid of life, and be a boring wander-fest until inevitable starvation for carnivore players unless either:

a) the player count is vastly increased, likely doubled from what it already is.

or

b) AI herds are implemented and there isn't just one of them on the whole map (as it seems to be with the current land AI).

[carmine path]

Technically wouldn’t we need to have bigger player caps to fill the different ecosystems either way

[fickle frigate]

Yes. Can you imagine the entire island being available but there only being 200 players?

You could wander for literal days and only come across a croc or two if you're unlucky. And with a map that large there will be a dozen different hot spots with no guarantee that you'll happen to be in the right place at the right time.

It is asinine to think that simply bumping the cap up to around 200 with a map that large will solve problems. We need a 200 cap with a map the current size. With a map four times the size, we would need four times the player count.

Someone laughed at 1000, but 4 x 200 is 800. Not that far off.

I don't see that happening with the current netcode. It would be a lagfest.

I'm not even sure if the AI herds will be able to be implemented at a level that solves the problem, either. They take resources to have moving around, so there will likely be relatively few AI herds to keep the game playable (and to keep servers from bursting into flames lol)...

[carmine path]

At this rate The Isle is gonna be a MMO

[fickle frigate]

It would have to be server clusters with regional instancing with a map the size that they want to implement.

Life is Feudal had the same issues.

[carmine path]

Wouldn’t this make it impossible for Non-official servers to run Isla Spiro

[warm forge]

damn I dont like that...I hope they have an idea of what to do and they will mention it to us very sson

[fickle frigate]

Not impossible, but certainly more complicated.

[fickle frigate]

Their idea is AI herds but I have serious doubts that it would be possible to have enough herds (and of sufficient size) without hindering game performance.

[warm forge]

yeah one of the reasons Im saying that

[carmine path]

The Isle really is gonna be a Hit or miss game

[fickle frigate]

I think the devs might have to face the music in the face of these very real technical challenges, and use a smaller portion of their map.

The current size with AI herds would work.

And an eventual cap of 200 would really make it feel populated.

[carmine path]

V3 is bigger than sectioned off Isla Spiro right?

[swift dew]

much bigger, even thenyaw is bigger than the current section of spiro

[fickle frigate]

And yet...

I think one issue is the introduction of the more realistic waterways in Spiro. Rivers. Rivers don't force people into hot spots.

The hot spots were always around the lakes/ponds, so you could reliably find other players despite the larger map size.

Those days are gone.

Now people can sneak to anywhere along the rivers to get a drink (hoping not to get chomped by a lurking deino - which I looooove), so you won't find large congregations anymore.

There is one partial exception on the current playable Spiro, and that's the shallows in the north between the two river intersections. A lot of people go there to drink because the water isn't deep enough to allow for large deinos to lurk. It forces confrontation, particularly in that open field to the east.

That, and that little waterfall pond, are the only real hot spots on the map - and they're not reliable. You won't always find dinosaurs there.

Again, because you can go anywhere along the rivers to get water, and food is evenly distributed throughout the map for herbivores - meaning the carnivores will be evenly distributed as well.

[dense vale]

i miss ponds i really wanna see something that isnt a river

[fickle frigate]

Even if there are lakes/ponds somewhere in the rest of Spiro when it gets unlocked, smart herbivores will avoid them. Why go to a pond where you are almost guaranteed to be ambushed by a lurking deinosuchus or run into waiting land carnivores when you can go to the river where your whereabouts cannot be predicted?

[swift dew]

The current section of spiro is about the size of region 2, not very big at all

[carmine path]

By making incentives such as reliable food sources and good nesting areas there

[fickle frigate]

And yet it feels 10x the size because of the reasons I mentioned.

[fickle frigate]

Yes, those are definitely solutions.

Having better food sources in clusters would force movement towards those areas, and spark confrontation between carnivores and herbivores

[carmine path]

Precisely

[fickle frigate]

Which requires that the food system rework to be completed.

A good nesting area is simply one with ready access to food and water and relatively free of predators.

People are probably going to nest away from the prime spots because they will be hot spots for carnivores.

#hireme #behaviouralanalysist lol

[molten tulip]

This was my main concern with Fred's really cool nesting grounds concept art, i felt that for people to actually nest there it would have to be way farther from the treeline and actually have some terrain to feel secure

Otherwise people wouldn't actually nest there

[barren zephyr]

that list of confirmed and unconfirmed dinos floods the feedback channel so much jesus

[dreamy wharf]

"omnidirectional claw swipe, minor bleed and stuns dilo and smaller".

Bork, don't you feel this is abit much?

Just a 360 degree stun?

[last widget]

wat we talking about

[dreamy wharf]

#general-feedback message

[strange wave]

im admit, this was before i added the small tier grabbing, so ima just delete the stun off that

[dreamy wharf]

Alrighty, overall.

I really like how you've managed to make a playable that actively uses the enviroment through knockback.

There's also a typo in the first sentence I think?

"Diet:
Plateo has a 3 preferred foods, some are more valuable to the dinosaur that others, these three foods are:"

I imagine you meant "than"?

[strange wave]

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[dreamy wharf]

[barren zephyr]

I am relativity frequently updating my list, is there anywhere better to put it than #general-feedback ?

[hybrid matrix]

@jade dew the bushes are supposed to warn u that theres a cliff

[jade dew]

Bruh. That's news to me

[hybrid matrix]

although

why run thru a wall of bushes

u dont kno wuts behind them

[jade dew]

Because there are bushes everywhere

[hybrid matrix]

its a full on wall of hedges

its not like a casual group of bushes

its bush art

[jade dew]

Bush art

Lol

[hybrid matrix]

thats wut it is

its not a couple of spread out bushes

its a literal wall of green

[jade dew]

I'll take a look next time I play, but even if I'm trying to be careful of the cliffs they seem to have some vendetta against me

Silly plants

[finite valley]

dude ya in a third person game the random cliff in the foliage is harsh. plus utah is fast and takes too much fall damage. even dies from a few meters into water

[strange wave]

you are a 500kg animal, a fall will hurt and probably kill you, dont expect just because its a raptor that its somehow immune to gravity

[still raptor]

Fractures will be nice

[sonic mural]

Ik what ur talking about I’ve died like 3 times to that cliff and I can’t see the ledge bcuz of those bushes either

[compact hare]

If you see bushes placed in a very weird and linear way, look down and watch your steps

they are usually on a rock too

some of them

[dense vale]

scott how is the meaning of seeing a bush that theres a cliff on the other side theres bushes everywhere lol

[hybrid matrix]

bc its a specific bush that isnt found anywhere other than steep drops

[dense vale]

still odd

[vale pawn]

i think there should be a kind of brightly colored plant like flowers to signify a drop since there easier to notice

[limber hull]

my way of seeing if there is a cliff is watching my raptor friend careen off the edge as i watch in helpless horror as he hits the ground and dies instantly

[dense vale]

just seems like a random thing and people are defending it like its supposed to be a game mechanic

[limber hull]

i find the unpredictable cliffs pretty funny tbh

[compact hare]

I believe this is .. or will, be resolved by updating the map and the folliage

Since we have Jace now

[ionic arch]

We all know they can make the radio tower, Dam and dock SO MUCH BETTER and that it'll be spooky during night with strains (type-T, D,N,M and H) and Human...

is Type-D a strain?

[limber hull]

are they actually putting those strain things into Evermia?

[ionic arch]

I hope they are still planning the Type-T, D, N, M and H since they can make it's very good with Evrima

[gleaming sphinx]

Anyone know if a 1660 super with an i5 10th gen will run Isle at like 60+ fps?