general-feedback-discussion

[left nacelle]

Shallow areas are pretty neat imo

[worn pumice]

Yea

Would be cool

[left nacelle]

@summer bane Are you in Legacy or evrima?

[summer bane]

no matter where i find no server no matter where

[left nacelle]

Then it's likely not an issue with the game, it's probably something on your end

[icy lion]

if youre on the beta, try selecting "Hide empty" and refresh

[summer bane]

yas wooob no worket

In that case I'd suggest looking here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1o8xsbfZKesdLpvViUdnYwVkG2SiqEuFkw8W3qslI7V0/preview?pru=AAABcu_-xeU*OQUsVqcB068eLF2ldxAuYw#heading=h.jw95dufthf9c NO WORKET

https://gyazo.com/f6f4d94f4871a0a00333035835393351 NO WORKET

https://gyazo.com/7ccb5e5ed8b9fdc061fb757239f2944a NO WORKET

[icy lion]

lets head over to #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧

[summer bane]

I heard everything with the and knows what was net that is and it has meanwhile opened several people because of the bug

[hybrid matrix]

@twin burrow could u see where the dinos r, or just wut dinos r on??

[twin burrow]

Just what animals

[hybrid matrix]

ah so u cant use it to find ppl

[twin burrow]

You wouldn't see where on the map

You'd just know they are ''present''

[hybrid matrix]

ok so u see the map, u see where u r on the map, u see wut dinos are able to be found, but not where to find them?

[twin burrow]

Yes

[hybrid matrix]

ok then that sounds great

[twin burrow]

I should probably clarify that

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

[left nacelle]

@golden tide How would that be able to be abused?

[barren zephyr]

is NA3 down?

[manic flint]

Wasn't the stress test supposed to be over 4 days ago?

[past tusk]

yes zzzzzzzzz

[wispy cypress]

yeah, idk why it's not

[manic flint]

Maybe they found too many bugs

[wispy cypress]

could be

but i want it to finish soon

[manic flint]

I really wanna play on a server that I can join when I want to play

[wispy cypress]

yeah

[manic flint]

And my Dino's don't get wiped

[wispy cypress]

ikr

[manic flint]

Hopefully it will be done before may

[wispy cypress]

or in the middle or may or never lmao

[barren zephyr]

never probably

[manic flint]

Ughhhh I want it to come out before my birthday so I can just play this

And not have to wait an hour

Every time

[wispy cypress]

ikr

[wispy cypress]

what i want is the host option menu so you don't HAVE to lose your dino and test them first

[barren zephyr]

but seriously though. Trevor from gta 5 in the isle NOW

[wispy cypress]

YES!!!

[odd sedge]

Tf

[barren zephyr]

thanks

[odd sedge]

I don't even have the energy for this anymore

Go off I guess

[barren zephyr]

well

where to start

[gritty walrus]

the respawn timer are bugged on the test server where do i report this crap ?

[worn pumice]

I’d rather have Franklin

He can slow down time which would help a lot in the isle

He could even have a specific niche

[worn pumice]

I’m saving this

Thank you

[elder walrus]

LOL

np

[worn pumice]

Mira u typing a paragraph or something

I’m scared

[paper oriole]

having different player render distanced by faction or even by just a majority percentage of dinos is kinda scummy, the game shouldnt let you hide from sight just by distance alone. some predators with binocular vision could be able to focus in on things that are already rendered in order to pick out the easiest targets and make up strategies from a distance. the different FOV can also be represented with night vision where carnivores would see in a longer cone in front of them while herbis would have a circle around them

sorry i paused to stuff my fat face with pizza rolls so it looked like i was typing a whole ass novel lol

[worn pumice]

Lol

[young token]

also the ability to walk in a straight line while turning your camera already exists, just hold alt

[paper oriole]

yeah both facs can do this already and thats all good

some herbis not having their heads move while they look to their sides/behind them while some carnis can have binocular vision, neither having different render distance because that's lame

[glad dirge]

Thats like the thing when do dondi concepted giving rex blurry vision at a longer distance

[paper oriole]

yeah thats just bleh

[glad dirge]

Yeah

[paper oriole]

render distance should all be the same and rely on the players' perceptiveness

[glad dirge]

Yes, 'nough said

[worn pumice]

Imagine anky swimming

[paper oriole]

anky just sinks to the bottom and walks like a hippo lol

poor bastard would drown trying to cross a wide river

[worn pumice]

Lol

[paper oriole]

idk how theyll make him able to swim

[worn pumice]

Wait who was the person who said semi aquatic anky was a good idea

@barren zephyr it’s down for now

Idk how long it’ll be down for

Wait nvm

It’s up again

[barren zephyr]

okay thanks

[worn pumice]

Dev just posted it’s up

Np

[icy lion]

keep an eye on #830660455487373352 for server updates

[paper oriole]

@raw steeple if you're talking about evrima or the qa branch, you need too go in to betas on the steam page and select those branches

[raw steeple]

Like the one with the croc and bird

[paper oriole]

that's on qa though it's shutting down soon and being moved to live evrima branch

[raw steeple]

Whats on qa

Lol

Sorry kinda confusing

Just seeing how to download it

[worn pumice]

There’s three branches click on the Quality Assurance branch

[paper oriole]

isle steam page, manage, properties, then select here

[velvet sundial]

Ok but how do you explain deino underwater sight? It lets deinos hide by distance alone

[paper oriole]

the deinos are blocked by water, it is a unique obstacle

the deinos can see under water better in a unique and enclosed environment

[raw steeple]

Thanks

[velvet sundial]

It's quite draconic how non aquatics underwater vision is limited, while the deinos can turn the camera above the surface. There's no way to see a deino coming, basically. I think that deinos shouldn't have such unfair underwater vision but rather have the ability to carry and drown a stego and swim much better than others so they can win fights in the water. Then they will really be like crocs instead of something which feels very strange to me but is considered balanced anyway

[paper oriole]

Considering how much of a closed and limited biome is is coupled with how poorly deino functions on land, seems fair to me

What i don't like is the bright fart bubble rings giving away the location of anything else swimming in the water, personally i think only things moving at high speeds or on the surface should be highlighted (the rings also look kinda disruptive and out of place)

Deino doesnt need to drag stego like it does carnos right now, maybe when a tug of war mechanic comes, but the lunge drown is basically a oneshot so it would kinda be over the top for it to pick a 5hr dino up like a psuedo mid

[velvet sundial]

Being invisible underwater and having the camera above the water is just not fair to players on the shore. Same with seeing further underwater. Water has become an impossible place if you love your life, something like russian roulette but in a game

[glad dirge]

deinos are already bullied by most things, requiring them to give themselves away in order to see something to lunge it seems too restricting, YOU make the choice to drink at the water source for as long as you want,

[paper oriole]

Deinos being totally submerged while having their camera above the water should be remedied at some point, sure, but they should have their issued resolved first or at the same time

[glad dirge]

the only way I can see that happening is if the water is full of algae enough where you have to pay close attention in order to see them

[paper oriole]

More deep/wide water sources, swimming grab/snare, reduced weight values for swimming terrestrials, hitbox fixes, maybe fracture, these things could be given to help deino be a better water apex first.
Also apparently they want deino to occasionally release bubbles as well as be very obvious when moving quickly so they arent totally invisible

When there's tug of war that was planned to come, it wont be any more unfair than being ambushed by a large predator from the trees

[paper oriole]

if you can only nest in predetermined nesting grounds you're gonna be camped, in theory it sounds cool but its just gonna be ruined by all the packs swarming the area for easy food

[hasty dagger]

@vague dock how can you not press f12 and take a screenshot my dude

[raw steeple]

how do you get a code to downloan beta

download*

[hasty dagger]

You don’t need a code

Just switch

[vague dock]

@hasty dagger I don't fancy re-spawning into the game as a Deino, to get past all the spawn killers, just to die in the cave again. The "Devs" have powers. They can TP themselves there and find out for themselves.

[hasty dagger]

Or.. take .000001 seconds and take a screenshot

It’s not a hard task

[paper oriole]

pretty sure the devs know about the suck death cave anyway

its been reported a ton of times

[icy lion]

its been reported many, many times

on top of that, for map issues, we need exact coordinates

[paper oriole]

im sure at least a few of the people who reported did so properly so the devs can fix it

[icy lion]

ive seen one mentioned so many times i have the coords involuntarily memorized

the seconds im not so sure of

[paper oriole]

nobody should be forced into nesting in specific spots, especially if you just want to force animals on any one faction to do it. perks in nesting grounds would be good, but why force people to nest in areas that would likely become hotspots? pretty lame lol

[carmine path]

Honestly im curious if they will fix the issue of permanent hotspots

[paper oriole]

packs would likely make these nesting areas part of their route and just end up camping the ones in use no matter what they do

[pale prairie]

nesting isn't a necessity like other things, you can choose not to do it.

nesting in the future will give both the parents and offspring various perks, nesting is something people are going to want to do to improve their character, it should be a challenge.

[carmine path]

That’s what i would do 🤷🏽‍♂️ can’t find food go the the guaranteed spot

[pale prairie]

you'd think there'd be quite a few different "nesting grounds" areas around the map, too.

[paper oriole]

it should be a challenge, yes, but the player should be able to choose how to go about it to make it as convenient as they can

[round fox]

understandable, granted there will always be hotspots players go to, all they need is an interesting land mark. Like I wanted the idea of these areas mainly being used by large animals that can defend themeselves from most threats, they don't HAVE to nest if they don't want to but with how strong they are its give and take in a way

[paper oriole]

still personall ythink players should only be encouraged to use nesting grounds, but be able to make their own choice regardless

[pale prairie]

it'd depend on the animal i guess.
big fan of doomcurses idea, although i'd still enjoy the experience more if we had predetermined nest locations around nesting grounds and a more in-depth nest building/maintenance system, but to each their own.

[carmine path]

Could do that through Incubation Time Reduction and Juvi Stage Growth Time Reduction

[paper oriole]

it is an optional feature in the game, but there is no real reason to force people to do it in a certain spot aside from artificially boosting activity in that area. adding upsides to nesting there without forcing or punishing players for wanting to go elsewhere would help for people who dont want 10 carnos and 3 allos showing up and making things impossible

[carmine path]

As a perk for nesting in the nesting grounds

[paper oriole]

the incubation time reudction and nested hatchling/juvie growth boosts are a good perk, without forcing people to go there

[pale prairie]

i really don't see the issue with forcing certain animals to nest in certain locations, especially mid-large sized herbivores.

we're talking large areas here, with several of them scattered around the map, it's the only way i could see nest building/maintenance working without having the materials spawn map wide.

besides, depending on how good the planned nesting perks will be, it'd be worth the risk.
i'd hate a system that gives players really useful perks for very little effort.

[paper oriole]

well if you're going to force large herbivores to nest in certain areas it should be evenly reflected on the other factions as well at the very least

mid tiers of either side shouldn't be forced to, many of them arent even designed to fight back

[pale prairie]

depends on the mid tier, but you're right.

how about only large herbivores then? stegosaurus, shantungosaurus, triceratops, etc.

[round fox]

yeye I was just about to suggest

[paper oriole]

so large herbivores are discouraged by limitations while large carnis can nest wherever they please

one less quality of life for herbis that carnis get

[pale prairie]

i want massive nesting grounds to become a thing, imagine seeing something similar to the second concept art in-game?
the issue is nothing like that will ever happen with the legacy nest building/placing system.

[paper oriole]

herds with the numbers to defend themselves probably would take advantage of nesting ground bonuses without being obligated to do it

[pale prairie]

sorry, been in the mind of herbivore talk today as i prefer them over carnivores and the recent art has had me thinking of herds, but something similar could be put in place for carnivores.

[paper oriole]

hey i want herds too but i don't want to be forced to nest in a certain area while a rex can choose the spot they like

if a herd has the numbers, they would most likely choose to nest in the grounds for bonuses, the grounds would be used

[pale prairie]

it'd be more optional as nesting in general is.
that being said, something could be put in place for carnivores too, although i imagine nesting will be much more difficult for them just by design.

[round fox]

well what could be though in a way carnis are limited in that they have to be near populated spots, sure mama rex could nest in a private corner but if nobody goes there then she and the other players starve, while aslo the fact that other preds know this too and if they nest in a high traffic area rival carnivores can snatch up their young

[paper oriole]

even on legacy, there are a few popular nesting spots that could be considered nesting grounds, and currently groups of predators travel between those areas and then just camp which ever one is populated and the numbers build up, the nesting ground is visible as a big ass cloud to everyone in the region because the spot was easier to find to begin with

so it should just be encouraged and rewarded to balance out the inevitable chaos you will deal with for being there

[pale prairie]

what about nest material spawn areas?
to clarify, the materials required for building a nest only spawn in certain locations, say around the "nesting grounds" biome/area as shown in the concept art.

so, in theory you could nest anywhere, but getting the materials from point A to B would require constant work/attention from the male and/or other herd mates.

this would also promote nesting nearby the nesting grounds and material locations whilst not forcing players to nest in those locations.

[paper oriole]

i mean from a logical standpoint i don't se why you couldn't just use leaves and sticks and moss in general to build nests

[pale prairie]

but from a gameplay standpoint.

[paper oriole]

seems a lil artificial

[pale prairie]

can we not just have a press B and wait wherever you want system like in legacy?

i imagine nesting is going to be a really interesting part of gameplay in the future.

[paper oriole]

building nests instead of pressing b and conjuring a nest like some dirt wizard would be better but idk why you would be overly picky of the materials

[pale prairie]

fair.
i'd just rather have nesting be more difficult.

i used to nest all the time in legacy, mainly back on the old dev branch, it's just way to easy.

[paper oriole]

building a nest in a similar fashion to the forest where you create a template and then fill it in with materials would be more immersive than holding b

[strange wave]

the best way to integrate nesting ground is to have it provide bonuses to both offspring and parent as well as having there be easy access to nest materials, nesting bonuses would make there be actual competition for spots in the grounds, a river cutting through the area would be another big reason to stay around there, it being open would make predation and egg thieving harder, a lot of big pluses would make it an area people would want to be nesting in

[paper oriole]

exactly

thats what ive been saying, provide bonuses dont force people to go there if they want to nest

make the bonuses worth it so they want to go there

[strange wave]

yeah

bonuses like improve incubation time, bonus perks, etc, + easy access to water with the river around

[pale prairie]

i don't see how it would promote competition between herbivore species considering the size of the areas, it'd only really affect carnivores in that way.

[vale pawn]

i like to nest in various unique areas, so having nesting areas pre-determined is a no for me

[pale prairie]

but i completely agree with the bonuses.

[strange wave]

crowded area means likelyhood of trampling

[pale prairie]

they'd have to make the areas a hell of a lot smaller for trampling to be an issue.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/837093176526766090/2021_Env_Concept_Nesting_Grounds_Aerial_01.png

[paper oriole]

didnt he mention like stress for the eggs for having other species too close to them or something

[barren zephyr]

these nesting areas wont be for every playable, even herbs

[paper oriole]

which could work, but also wouldn't that devalue the supposed bonus of the nesting ground?

[pale prairie]

doom did, yeah, which is a great idea regardless of how nest building/placement works.

[strange wave]

egg stress should be a thing 100%, and trampling should play a big part in not nesting so close together

[pale prairie]

how would trampling work?

in previous versions and suggestions Don has mentioned, it'd only really be an issue whilst sprinting, which makes a lot of sense.
assuming they stick to this or make walk/trot trample do significantly less damage, it wouldn't really be an issue.

[strange wave]

even if it does less damage, a para stepping on a baby maia is still gonna kill it, and it shouldnt just apply to living animals, if a diablo steps on your nest you lose any eggs it just crushed

[pale prairie]

wouldn't it apply to all animals?
you'd be killing/destroying your own children/eggs much more than others.

[strange wave]

for the parents it would probably be lessed to a non lethal degree

[pale prairie]

that could work.

[strange wave]

and you might not be sitting on your nest as any large animal

as seen in the second concept the maia is putting leaves on its nest

[pale prairie]

i imagine you wouldn't.
but still, you'd be walking around the nest and offspring, your mate would be too.
i just see it being much more of an issue for the parents/nesters than other animals in the area.

[strange wave]

also, god forbid a rex bursts into the clearing, so many nests would just be trampled to nothing

[crude girder]

Nesting grounds make a lot of sense if you have an animal like Oviraptor planned

[strange wave]

^^^^^^^^^^

[crude girder]

having a few areas where animals are likely to be nesting means an animal that is required to eat eggs actually has a place it can expect there to be eggs

[strange wave]

would nesting grounds come in the first version of nesting? or would it be like many other systems where we get a base version then a more expanded version later

[crude girder]

I would imagine nesting grounds would probably be implemented as part of the map, with the specifics coming with the nesting mechanics themselves

since the "nesting grounds" seem to just be some flood plains

[strange wave]

yeah ig

[rocky aspen]

Multiple Nesting grounds should be put in certain food districts. Where berries grow abundantly the animals with berries in their diet head to that breeding ground for bonus’s and so on

[carmine path]

I keep looking at the map concept and I keeps reminding me of how I wanted an Arid part of a map with Oasis(TF is the plural of oasis) so you can just roam across the desert plains go to an Oasis drink some water maybe eat some plants if you're a herbi(Maybe nest) and go looking for Dinos crossing the plains like you once did and hunt em down

not a suggestion just something I would like to see in the future but im pretty sure they said no deserts so 🥲

[rocky aspen]

Agreed.

[lilac bolt]

Yeah that cool

Drouts are confirmed?

[swift dew]

they have been confirmed for who knows how long

[lilac bolt]

Hm ok

Cool

[swift dew]

there is also other types of environmental things coming, such as tides (at least on isla spero). storms, hopefully there will be weak, medium, and strong storms. floods might come, but that would be more difficult to make than droughts. and maybe, just maybe forest fires. but that is a BIG maybe.

[lilac bolt]

Ive seens clips about the forest fires but wasnt its stopped being working on because of lag or something?

[swift dew]

i dont think they were worked on at all, if they do come they wont be here for a long time.

there is a good chance they wont come at all though

[lilac bolt]

dondi showed clips or something on a stream Anthomnia showed it on one of his videos i think

From 2 years ago i think

[swift dew]

yeah, I just looked it up. but that was from 2 years ago which means that was for the legacy branch and most likely any coding anybody did for fires then would become irrelevant with evrima

[left nacelle]

Yeah iirc the biggest issue with forest fires is performance

Plus they'd need to set up every single piece of foliage to be compatible for fires. So they'd need to remake every plant in the game essentially

[molten tulip]

Maybe to encourage people to nest in certain locations you can put lots of bushes/herbi food there and make the nests take tons of hunger to manage

So you can drop a nest wherever if you want but it'll be 10x harder than if you went to a nesting ground

[left nacelle]

@idle cradle Careful, rule 10. But anyway, you can get out of that area easily by using your water boost. I've gotten stuck there multiple times but I've always gotten out within a minute to two

And yes I was a 100% deino too

[idle cradle]

I got stuck in a deep hole on the right side of the tunnel. I was fucked.

[left nacelle]

Oh, that's never happened to me before. Huh

I didn't realize there was a deep hole there

[idle cradle]

Yeah, Got stuck in the one deep hole.

[swift dew]

im trying my hardest not to make a joke of this

[left nacelle]

I'd say just avoid it for now. It's a stress test so ya gotta expect stuff like that. Just earlier today I logged in and got spawned wedged in a rock as a ptera and couldn't do anything so

[idle cradle]

Don't. Losing a freshly 100% deino AGAIN has put me in a sour mood.

[swift dew]

just be more careful next time, you set that one up extremely well

[idle cradle]

Every single Deino I get to or close to 100% ends up dead. And I can understand the other players killing it, but getting stuck in terrain just pisses me off so much.

[idle cradle]

the stuck command needs to be added.

[young token]

absolutely

[barren zephyr]

bro just died to that bs

while fighting 40 utahs

and was winning until that happened

[idle cradle]

Doubt

[barren zephyr]

wait

ill send

and there were more coming

[barren zephyr]

look

it sucked bc i got stuck on a palm tree and COULDNT move

me and my friend wouldve won

[paper oriole]

I can't fathom how 40 utahs could be losing to a stego even if they were all your average potato iq utah player

[barren zephyr]

stego heal is insane

and you have 6k hp

do more bite dmg then a utah

and can turn with ur tail hits

its stupid good

and there were more coming

[paper oriole]

Still 2 utahs can kill a stego in not that much time, but 40? Jees

[barren zephyr]

we killed like 20

[paper oriole]

They must have had negative iq

[barren zephyr]

fr

[barren zephyr]

there were more

and dont forget the deino army

there were like 9 deinos

its hell here

[young token]

stegos can get out of that by slapping their tail forward lol, at certain angles it moves your character model slightly

ive gotten out of trees plenty of times

[barren zephyr]

i tried that

still didnt work

[young token]

you have to rotate back and do it repeatedly in the same direction until you're scooted away from the tree bit by bit

[eternal owl]

@upper owl you know it’s a stress test right? Lots of bugs and glitches and whatnot.

[upper owl]

i haven't seen anyone else report it

[paper oriole]

Arent tar pits already planned and the legacy maps had lava so thatll probably come back at some point

[brave nova]

hell, one utah can trash a stego ez, given time.

[fallow hill]

A giant lake like this near a nesting grounds would be lit.

[odd sedge]

Yes!

The great valley

[lapis tree]

Hold up the great valley?

[azure wadi]

Putting a ✅ on your own suggestion

[twin steeple]

would have put up both

[jolly void]

just don't

the "instincts" are what the player does, also, don't use movies as an example, if you didn't see the cliff it's your fault

the game doesn't have to take care of you

[azure wadi]

^

[rich owl]

okay but we're not in first person

so u can't see the cliff bcs of the trees

[azure wadi]

Then don’t just mindlessly run through dense forest

[jolly void]

which makes it even easier to see the cliffs, also, yes you can very clearly see the cliffs

even with trees

[rich owl]

when i run along the shoreline next to cliffs i see multiple dead bodies

[jolly void]

and? their fault

[rich owl]

@jolly void no u can not

[azure wadi]

That’s the players problem

[jolly void]

yes you can, if you can't, then don't run through super dense forests

[azure wadi]

I have yet to fall of a cliff

[rich owl]

good for u

[rocky trout]

Natural selection lol

[azure wadi]

I have super low FPS and high ping so if I dont fall of cliffs then you can too

[rich owl]

good for u

[rocky trout]

Wait how much FPS and what you running on

[jolly void]

if you didn't see the cliff, then it's YOUR fault and YOU should pay more attention

[rocky trout]

Trynna compare my pc

See how well I’ll do

[azure wadi]

Im struggling on 16fps on a work laptop

[rocky trout]

Oh mine should run fine then

[jolly void]

also, people would abuse that, and it would be bad if you're being chased

[rocky trout]

I have a sorta old gaming laptop

[rich owl]

in red dead redemption 2 the horse stops before u jump off a cliff

[jolly void]

and?

[rocky trout]

Imagine running from someone and you can’t drop off a 2ft cliff😂

[rocky trout]

That’s because you are not controlling the horse you are riding it

It’s technically it’s own thing

[rich owl]

u are controlling the horse

[azure wadi]

Because it can see the damn cliff and you aren’t the horse, your driving the horse, it still has free will

[rocky trout]

Still we are the animals in this game which makes sense that we have full control

[rich owl]

no it doesn't have free will

[rocky trout]

In red dead you don’t play as a horse

[jolly void]

you aren't the horse, you are riding it, it still technically has it's own mind

[rich owl]

u are literally controlling the horse

[azure wadi]

If you’ve ever ridden a horse then you’ll know they can do what ever the hell they want

[rocky trout]

Doesn’t the horses in red dead run upon shots around them too

[rich owl]

if u've ever ridden a horse u would know that u can't do some of those things u can in red dead with a real life horse

[azure wadi]

Yeah and throw you off

[azure wadi]

The point is you’re not in 100% control unlike in the isle

[jolly void]

also, THE ISLE isn't red dead redemption 2

[rocky trout]

It’s still a game but in red dead the logic is that a horse wouldn’t kill itself

Here you play as the animal

The logic is

You do whatever you want

As this animal

Because you have full control

[rich owl]

@jolly void u said i couldn't compare movies

so now i compare games

[paper geyser]

are we really asking for safety measures to protect stupid players

[jolly void]

yes, and?

[jolly void]

apparently meme is

[rich owl]

would make the game more popular

[paper geyser]

proof?

[jolly void]

no it wouldn't lmao

[safe galleon]

when starving the game should give you 100% food 🙂

[azure wadi]

No, it wouldn’t

[rocky trout]

🧢

[jolly void]

ikr smh

[rich owl]

more players = more money = more development to the game

[barren zephyr]

oh no, you're about to die.
try not to do that

[barren zephyr]

make easy living mechanics = survival game not fun

[jolly void]

dude, saving stupid players isn't gonna get more players

[paper geyser]

that entire claim relies on this feature bringing in more players, for which there is literally zero evidence

[rich owl]

yeah bcs u know how to get a bigger playerbase

i see that now

[rocky trout]

Source: trust me bro

[jolly void]

and you do? yeah i don't think so

[safe galleon]

"hey bro you wanna play this game"
"nah I don't really like that kind of game"
"wait but you can't run off cliffs"
"OH SHIT REALLY???? I GOTTA PLAY THIS GAME RIGHT NOW OMG"

[azure wadi]

And you, clearly do not

[rich owl]

new people will get tilted when running off of cliffs when they have spent 5 hours with a full grown stego and wont recommend the game to others

[paper geyser]

meme is thinking like the higher up game publishers. Just make every game as accessible as possible to every player to make the most amount of money. That's how you ruin a game

[jolly void]

and? again, their fault

[rich owl]

and they wont play the game again

[paper geyser]

that issue could be solved if the new players looked where they were going, like everyone else

[jolly void]

who cares, if they got THAT mad at dying in a survival game, we don't care

[rich owl]

they're new they don't know the map

[safe galleon]

new players get clapped in every game they play

[paper geyser]

you don't need a map to look where you're walking

[barren zephyr]

adding mechanics which will make the game easier, does not guarantee long term players.
only short term.

If you want to understand how to grow a playerbase, study economics and business.
You'll learn a lot about how to promote a business, alongside having people that will stay for more.

By making a mechanics that will warn your players that they're gonna fall off the cliff or they're about to die (in a nutshell) you're going to have a boring survival game that replicates the boringness of it's predecessor.

@rich owl

[jolly void]

yes, every new player dies

[raven lark]

you shouldnt be rewarded for not knowing the map

new players should just be careful

and im sure most are

[safe galleon]

that's like saying new players should get aimbot in fps games so they won't lose

[rich owl]

u shouldn't be punished for not knowing the map

is my point

[raven lark]

you should be punished by being reckless while not knowing the map

[paper geyser]

you should be punished for not looking 5m ahead of yourself

[rich owl]

especially when there is no warning

[jolly void]

yes you should, if you didn't search for the information, u gotta be more careful, if you're not, then you die

[raven lark]

you shouldnt need a warning

"danger cliffs ahead"

[paper geyser]

do you also want a warning when another player is looking at you so you don't die?

[rich owl]

if u're in a deep forest with a steep cliff u wont see it coming

except if u know it's there

[jolly void]

yes you will

[raven lark]

if youre walking you will

[rocky trout]

You realize animals die like this in the wild all the time irl too

[raven lark]

i bought the game 3 days ago and ive managed to avoid cliffs ?

[jolly void]

literally, I don't know the map and i've NEVER fallen off a cliff, only at night on LEGACY

[rich owl]

@rocky trout show proof

[raven lark]

except one but thats my fault for sprinting through it

[rocky trout]

Literally search on YouTube

There’s plenty of videos of animals falling down places or getting stuck

Instincts isnt auto god mode

[safe galleon]

animal getting hurt is not allowed to be posted in this server, just search for it yourself

[jolly void]

show proof that it will bring more players to the game, show reasonable arguments that support your logic

[paper geyser]

it really isn't hard to pay attention to your surroundings. You can clearly see where a cliff is by seeing where the trees suddenly stop

[rocky trout]

Animals die of accidents all the time humans aren’t the only one capable of dying of an accident lol

[azure wadi]

If you die by falling off a cliff it’s your fault, survival games shouldn’t have to baby you, end of story

[barren zephyr]

there are also certain plants that spawn near cliffs

[raven lark]

no survival game holds your hand, why should this?

[safe galleon]

@rich owl have you ever tripped in real life?

[barren zephyr]

because, make isle mmo

[rocky trout]

I did one search and there’s a literal top 10 list of animals falling down cliffs

[rich owl]

If the player gets to experience the game by dying to a player he will acknowledge that he should avoid those type of dinos, but when he dies to something random that he can't see he doesn't know how to respond to it and will simply just leave the game

[azure wadi]

No, theyre body just stops mid fall and they hover back into an upright position

[safe galleon]

[raven lark]

someone who enjoys survival games wont quit because of that

[rich owl]

@safe galleon i never trip

[rocky trout]

Wait so you keep walking off cliffs after knowing they’re a very real danger

Ok dude

[jolly void]

he will see himself falling, yes he will know how to respond and yes he can EASILY avoid it

[barren zephyr]

because built different?

[rocky trout]

🧢

[jolly void]

big cap

[rich owl]

idk i just never trip

[rocky trout]

Idk where you’ve gotten this twisted reality of animals or humans that can’t have accidents

[safe galleon]

[rich owl]

there's always a reason behind an accident

[safe galleon]

show proof

[rocky trout]

Yes hence why it’s an accident

Walked off a cliff? Accident

[paper geyser]

it's quite literally natural selection. If you fall off a cliff you'll learn to be more cautious, not much else to it

[rocky trout]

Literal videos

[rich owl]

guess i wont be able to convince this community how u get more players

[jolly void]

Meme just ignored the part where you told them to search it on youtube lol

[paper geyser]

you obviously don't understand how growing a playerbase works

[barren zephyr]

did you not read the text wall I sent you?

[jolly void]

you haven't given us an argument as to why that is

[rich owl]

i couldn't be bothered to find it myself

[rocky trout]

He probably did it and saw the top 10 list lol

[barren zephyr]

#general-feedback-discussion message

[rich owl]

if u want to show me then link me a video

[rocky trout]

No it’s one search away from you

If you aren’t able to do research

Don’t speak on the matter

Literal

“Animals falling down”

[rich owl]

?

[rocky trout]

On YouTube

[safe galleon]

also if dying because you weren't cautious bothers you so much literally just wait until sandbox comes and play that

[barren zephyr]

@dense abyss Yes, it is still on

[rich owl]

@rocky trout they're not running off of cliffs they are tripping off of cliff

[jolly void]

do you see fortnite giving players alerts like "someone is looking at you" or "cliff nearby"? no, and it still has a lot of players (yes, i know i said dont use other games, but this time it makes sense)

[rich owl]

there's clearly a difference

[dense abyss]

Thank you

[rich owl]

@jolly void u can't compare fortnite to this game

[jolly void]

and you can't say that you know how to make a game grow

[safe galleon]

but you can compare r2d2?

[rich owl]

i can

[jolly void]

you compared this game to red dead

ffs

[rocky trout]

Search lemmings jumping off cliffs

[jolly void]

but you don't.

[rich owl]

i don't know any other game that's close to this other than RD2

[jolly void]

rd2 is nowhere near this game

[safe galleon]

literally any survival game

[jolly void]

like

[barren zephyr]

what the fuck is happening

Alright, before any of the mods give us a strike.
I recommend stopping this conversation as it is off-topic

[jolly void]

BoB? Hello?

PoT?

[rich owl]

@rocky trout i did research on that and they suicided, they didn't jump off the cliff by mistake

[safe galleon]

saurian?

[jolly void]

what are you on about

[rich owl]

@barren zephyr it's not off topic its feedback on the post i did in #general-feedback

[rocky trout]

Ok there’s videos of cows running off cliffs too... your point?

[barren zephyr]

And it's getting quite out of hand

[rich owl]

@rocky trout link me one

[paper geyser]

see, a horse isn't stupid enough to run off a cliff, because in red dead the horse has a mind of its own. In this game you control your dinosaur, and so the horse is clearly smarter than you

[barren zephyr]

where there will be no resolution until you turn off

No, you should be responsible for your own actions @rich owl . It is YOUR fault if you run off a cliff ingame

[rocky trout]

Linking in dms

[rich owl]

@barren zephyr so u're saying that all dinos back when they were alive would just happily end their life?

[barren zephyr]

No?

[paper geyser]

you're in control of the dinosaur, it's your fault for running off a cliff

[jolly void]

they wouldn't have seen the cliff, just like the players

[paper geyser]

what part don't you understand

[barren zephyr]

please, I don't want to die

[jolly void]

that's a very stupid argument

[barren zephyr]

If you would run off a cliff, it is likely accidental unless you really are suicidal

in which case get some help.

[rich owl]

@rocky trout it can clearly see there's a cliff

[barren zephyr]

Animals do accidentally fall off cliffs irl, usually

mainly because of a slip or misjudgement in a leap

[rich owl]

@barren zephyr but they don't run off of cliffs

straight on

[barren zephyr]

They could nonetheless if they do not notice it is there

[jolly void]

dude, this game doesn't have a tripping or slipping mechanic, get over it

[paper geyser]

because they have the mental capacity to comprehend that running off a cliff is a stupid idea. You should try doing the same

[rich owl]

i never mentioned tripping

[jolly void]

you did tho

[rich owl]

where

[jolly void]

.

"where"

[barren zephyr]

but unwarily running off a cliff ingame is generally analogous to what may happen irl

[rich owl]

@jolly void it was the video

i talked about

[jolly void]

and?

[rich owl]

i can't be bothered

this guy

[barren zephyr]

Your point is stupid

alongside this discussion

[jolly void]

you can't be bothered to give us a reasonable argument?

[barren zephyr]

accidents happen, and animals can die on accident

[paper geyser]

you're not listening to any of our points and your comparisons are completely off, please just move on

[rich owl]

ur arguments are even more stupid

[barren zephyr]

Deer get run over on roads, not being able to judge depth properly, for example

[jolly void]

give us a proper argument then

[rich owl]

is there cars in this game?

[azure wadi]

Guys give up, they’re a lost cause

[barren zephyr]

yes

[safe galleon]

there will be iirc

[barren zephyr]

There will with the advent of mercenaries

once mercs arrive

[rich owl]

well at least there's one other person who agreed with me

that's all that matters to me at this point

[jolly void]

who?

[rich owl]

maybe there's some hope left in this community

[jolly void]

oh lol

[safe galleon]

me

[rich owl]

i'm talking about now not the future

[barren zephyr]

Jesus christ man accept the fact that accidents exist

[azure wadi]

“Maybe there’s some hope left in this community” holy crap you’re an ass

[barren zephyr]

they are a meme

[paper geyser]

you want the game to hold your hand because you're incapable of looking where you're going, we get it. It's not happening

[jolly void]

You ignored all of our arguments, you acted like you knew how to make a game grow, and you haven't given us a proper argument yet, what an ass.

[rich owl]

@azure wadi calling me a lost cause

ok dude

[barren zephyr]

Also, the playerbase of The Isle has been rising these past months.
They don't need to add that mechanic

[jolly void]

You'll keep acting like you know things until the end, I literally don't have enough patience for this, I give up, you really are a lost cause.

[rich owl]

i just said it would help the game grow even more but ok

[rich owl]

thank you

[barren zephyr]

I need further emphasis on how

[azure wadi]

Yeah

[jolly void]

Not like you know if that's true, you're just saying things without even actually having arguments to support that.

[barren zephyr]

Bring factual data, where that mechanic has helped a survival game

[paper geyser]

funny you say that, i'm pretty sure you're the only person that's ever asked for that type of mechanic

[barren zephyr]

not anecdotal. Real evidence.

[rich owl]

i'm not gonna go through that entire process of me telling u how to have a business or how to grow a playerbase

[azure wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-pointless-futurama-gif-10499477

[rich owl]

if u want u can do that by urself

[barren zephyr]

Thank you.
And this is how you don't run a business.

[jolly void]

Because you don't know how.

[rich owl]

i can't bcs all the other games i've played already do that

[azure wadi]

When was the last time you made a successful survival games by adding in hand holding mechanics

[paper geyser]

name the other survival games that have this feature implemented

[rich owl]

i don't make games i just know how they work

[barren zephyr]

Tell you that you're about to run off a cliff many seconds beforehand?

[jolly void]

How does that work?

[azure wadi]

You clearly, do not

[rich owl]

the problem is about the map design not the cliff itself

[azure wadi]

Anyway I give up, this is pointless, it’s like arguing with a toddler

[barren zephyr]

there is a certain plant That warns you that you're near a cliff

[rich owl]

and u're not giving any good counter arguments hence why u stop

[jolly void]

OH, so NOW you changed your mind, the problem is the map, ok.

[rich owl]

didn't change my mind

[jolly void]

Not like YOU'VE given us any.

[rich owl]

either they fix the map or they give ur animal a sense that there is a cliff

[barren zephyr]

ignore it again, because you know it'll diminish your argument

ignore my comment

please

[rich owl]

i can't read everyones comments at the same time

[jolly void]

Scroll up.

[rich owl]

@barren zephyr what plant is it

[barren zephyr]

than here you go

"there is a certain plant That warns you that you're near a cliff"

[dense abyss]

It should also be able to hunt, feed and drink on its own as well. ( The Hand Holding Mechanic) I love it lmao

[paper geyser]

since you're telling us to figure out how to manage a business, I'll tell you: This isn't it. Adding a mechanic that treats players like children and detracts from the survival aspect when trying to make a survival game does not work in the long term.

[rich owl]

@dense abyss there already is that feature in the game, it's called holding Q

[trail tide]

Seems incredibly hard to implement, for something that can usually be solved by the person being cautious of where they are walking or going.

[paper geyser]

learn to not fall off cliffs, it's not rocket science.

[rocky trout]

Are y’all still arguing about this lol

The answer has been dropped since the start

[rich owl]

i'm just saying adding anything that helps the player notice there's a cliff would help a lot of players out in this community, like a difference in the terrain before the cliff or your dinosaur saying some noise or anything like that

[jolly void]

Pretty sure there already is some terrain difference when you're near a cliff, no need to ask for it

[barren zephyr]

None.

[rich owl]

there's some places where it's too late to stop before u see the cliff because of all the bushes in the way of the cliff

[rocky trout]

@rich owl If you started off saying like “could we have a grayish screen effect when approaching a cliff” that would’ve been a way better argument

[trail tide]

I don't see why. Just be cautious of where you are going. Same logic applies to reality as well. You don't go speeding around across unknown terrain in any instance, as you are not aware of possible dangers in it.

[barren zephyr]

So to put it harshly, cry about it. If you fall off a cliff, it is your fault, and next time you should be more cautious.

[trail tide]

Let's be civil.

[rich owl]

how am i not civil?

[trail tide]

Not you.

[jolly void]

You do know that you can always like... get out of the dense jungle?

[barren zephyr]

well sorry, but the point is quite clear.

[rich owl]

yes but some animals have to play around the forest like the raptor and most of the small herbs

[rich owl]

generally just all small dinosaurs

[rocky aspen]

People are entitled to their opinions you don’t have to be a dick because you don’t like the idea -.-

[rocky trout]

Me becoming the most powerful being on the map after everyone runs off the map🗿

[rich owl]

this ^

[trail tide]

Yes, just watch wording, if the conversation is frustrating you are free to take it to DMs or dip out of it. As this is meant to be a discussion, etc. You know the drill.

[paper geyser]

if you actually read up you'll understand why we're frustrated.

[jolly void]

Yes but getting out of the jungle for a quick moment isn't gonna kill you, I play utah running around the plains all the time

[rocky trout]

Can we all just agree it breaks down to awareness

[barren zephyr]

Utahraptor is anything but specialised for the forest

[rich owl]

i'm talking about cliffs in the forest or where it's impossible to see there's a cliff coming up

[barren zephyr]

it is a habitat generalist, more than anything

[jolly void]

If they're ONLY around the forest, then again, just go around it

[rich owl]

awareness and randomness yes

[paper geyser]

there is nothing random about it.

[jolly void]

Elaborate

[rich owl]

u know the place in the center right? where there is a jungle on the other side of the river

[rich owl]

everyone knows that the river is there but if a new player joined then he wouldn't know where the cliff is

[jolly void]

That's not random.

[rocky aspen]

The bushes are too freaking thick. The chances that you’ll run off a cliff are likely, to no fault of your own. Don’t add in a automatic stop like in RDR2, because we play as our animals not ride them. Rather, add in a sliding stop.

[rich owl]

and he would run straight through the bush into the river and die off of fall damage

[rocky trout]

Ok but so is life we all have a random factor. Pay more attention next time and your problem is fixed.🤨

[past tusk]

this games hit boxes and lag are a total mess. im getting hit from 2 dino lengths away sometimes,

[jolly void]

No stopping at all, that's not a good idea, terrain differences are enough

[rich owl]

I know the RDR2 was a bad example but it was the only one i could think off since he said not to compare movies to video games

but any other video game the animal would simply slip and slide down the cliff or stop before it

[paper geyser]

there quite literally is nothing random about falling off a cliff. You don't need a map or any previous knowledge to avoid that issue, just look where you're going

[rocky aspen]

When you’re a juvi you quite literally can’t see through thick bushes.. -n-

[jolly void]

If you're gonna compare a dino game, compare it to another dino game

[jolly void]

You would see terrain differences

[rocky aspen]

Bruh they’re referencing the mechanic not the game :/

[rich owl]

I have never played any other dino game like this one before so i wouldn't know

[rocky trout]

Don’t go full sprint all the time then

[paper geyser]

the point is that the mechanic doesn't belong in a survival game

[rich owl]

What about when u're running away from a Carno?

[jolly void]

And? Still, a mechanic that is in a game not related to this one, shouldn't be considered

[rocky trout]

Make sure you’re running in a good path

[jolly void]

The thing is, if you stopped, you would die to the carno itself (At the cliff, that is)

[rocky aspen]

A sliding stop should be considered :/

[rich owl]

So this survival game shouldn't have slip and slide features like any other game?

[jolly void]

I really don't think so.

[rocky aspen]

Not an automatic one, they said it not automatic.

[paper geyser]

It already does? If you're running and turn to run the other way you'll slide a little and then start running again

[jolly void]

ANY OTHER GAME? None of the other dino survival games have that.

[rich owl]

i would much rather die because of the carno than me jumping off a cliff

[rocky trout]

Just don’t run off a cliff goddamn it’s not that hard

[rich owl]

i'm talking about survival games in general not other dino games

[rocky aspen]

-__-

[jolly void]

Other survival games shouldn't be compared to a dino survival game.

[rich owl]

like i said before i have never played any other dino survival game than this

[paper geyser]

you still haven't told us what survival games have this feature

[rich owl]

tell me one that doesn't have it

except for this one

[jolly void]

Tell us one that has it.

That argument isn't valid.

[paper geyser]

What? You're the one claiming every survival game has one, it's your job to tell us lmao

[rocky aspen]

is a feature to stop quickly so you don’t run off a FUCKING CLIFF really such a bad idea? Apparently, you’re an idiot if you die from running off a cliff because you can’t see where the cliff starts or ends.

[jolly void]

There already is a quick stop in game, what do you want?

[paper geyser]

The quick stop feature is called the S key.

[rich owl]

if u can say that to me then i can say the reverse to u

and then my point is valid

if u can't disprove it

[paper geyser]

No, you cannot. You're making the claim, thus the burden of proof is on you.

[jolly void]

That doesn't work. You can't even prove your point.

[rich owl]

i can if u can't disprove it

[jolly void]

No you can't.

[paper geyser]

That's not how it works, please learn how to debate

[jolly void]

Literally, tell us a survival game that has it.

[paper geyser]

If there are so many survival games with this feature then you should have no problem listing them, right?

[rich owl]

@paper geyser i can't remember the names of the games since i don't play them and usually watch them instead

[paper geyser]

Awfully convenient

[jolly void]

Aight lemme tell u some that DON'T have it:
Path of Titans
Beasts of Bermuda
Animalia
Isles of Yore (Not out yet, but the mechanic hasn't been mentioned)

[jolly void]

So you don't know? Aight, you really can't prove your point then.

[rich owl]

@jolly void with these games there are no thick bushes infront of the cliffs so the problem isn't even there to begin with

[paper geyser]

Then surely the solution would be to remove the bushes from the edge of cliffs?

[jolly void]

You told us you never played them before? Huh?

[rich owl]

i'm a variety player i don't only play one type of game

[barren zephyr]

we have airbrake, which is technically a sudden stop, or at least if you hold it down it is

[rich owl]

i can see by gameplay that the problem isn't there

[rich owl]

just because i don't play them doesn't mean i can't find gameplay of the games

[jolly void]

Yes it is actually, PoT has thick bushes in front of cliffs.

[rocky aspen]

At this point just fix the terrain.

[paper geyser]

but you just said you didn't know their names? How can you find gameplay of a game whose name you don't know?

[rich owl]

he gave me the names

[paper geyser]

And like I said, it seems like the solution to your problem is fixing the foliage, not holding a player's hand

[jolly void]

Of games that DON'T have the mechanic, what a surprise.

[rich owl]

ok i'm done i guess u guys have wall hacks when it comes to cliffs

[jolly void]

"He gave me the names of games that I never played, but NOW I know everything about them!"

[paper geyser]

No, we're just capable of looking where we're going. Funny how most people rarely ever fall off cliffs and yet you seem to struggle so much. Makes you think.

[rich owl]

i can search up gameplay and see how the game looks

[tulip ice]

is there a long way to finish update 3?

[jolly void]

Youtube gameplay doesn't show EVERYTHING the game has, especially map wise.

[rocky aspen]

Not at all.

[paper geyser]

Shouldn't take longer than a month, but we don't know for sure

[tulip ice]

I understand

[rocky aspen]

Longer than a week or so seems a bit unlucky.

[zinc rivet]

@rich owl if you fall off a cliff, it's entirely your own fault for not paying attention. Animals can also not pay attention and fuck up and fall. The only major cliff that everyone is consistently falling in is lined with a very specific kind of plant that is easy to identify if you just pay attention.

Imo the only change to be made to help this is make it so zooming in closes in on the dinosaur's head instead of staying behind the shoulders, coz I agree if my dinosaur's head is outside of a bush I should be able to see and not have my camera still entirely obstructed.

But also, sprinting through a jungle in an area where you know there may be cliffs, you're putting yourself at risk. If you don't pay attention and fall to your death, it's your fault.

[past tusk]

fall damage is kinda ridiculous now, it needs changing back or at least setting less aggressiivly

[strange wave]

no

you should be punished for jumping off a cliff

[urban flax]

Maybe fall damage could be reworked to do less damage but very high fractures ?

[molten tulip]

Just avoid running through dense bush lines without checking first

Thats worked pretty well for me, I fell for it once but then I learned and haven't since

Usually plants along a cliff are in a row

[urban flax]

I know and I'm not among the people who always fall for their deaths (not often at least)
Anyway I'm pretty sure falling will cause fractures once they get added, but it's true that fall damage is insanely high and some of it could be shifted to fractures. Like a Utah falling 3 meters and dying. Sure it's heavier than it looks and could break a leg (or both), but not instantly die.

[civic carbon]

safety nets in a survival game do nothing but aid bad player behaviour

[swift dew]

@verbal rock unfortunatly, this game has about a .01 % chance to come to consoles, and if it does it would be in the far future

[verbal rock]

@swift dew damn it lol, been watching this game for ages and always wanted to play it, fingers crossed it does one day. haven't got the space for a pc and my laptop definitely isnt powerful to play it 😭

[wanton hull]

wtf is up with the fps

ive got like 10 fps at pocket now for some reason

[odd sedge]

Same

[urban flax]

Optimizing a game takes time

[odd sedge]

Yeah I don't blame them, I do understand that and I'm not a person to complain about fps since my caveman brain thinks of 35 fps as smooth.
It just felt like the game was having a stroke because one body fell

[urban flax]

I think it's the water that's being laggy ? Maybe the bodies contribute to it quite a lot too, though

And it's to be expected, I think the last optimization the devs made was right after update 1

Luckily I have a strong PC so I can run the game smoothly (around 35 fps of course) but I got some fps drops around some bodies of water or piles of corpses

When using scent during a fight too

[odd sedge]

Oh yes, don't get me started on using scent during fights with bodies around.
You better be not flying, else you might crash against a tree when your game freezes

[urban flax]

That's immersive I guess
So many odors and blood scent it gives dinos a seizure

[worn pumice]

@signal badge quetz is basically confirmed to be coming

It would essentially be a much much bigger ptera that acts like a glass canon most likely

[hybrid matrix]

also if we're gonna get a mosa its gonna be in a fully aquatic dlc

[hybrid matrix]

plus its a scavenger that wouldnt skim

[signal badge]

It's not exactly what I had in mind. Quetzalcoatlus is basically just a big boi version of pteranodon. I was thinking about a toothed pterosaur that acts a bit differently from pteranodon

[worn pumice]

Quetz could low key defend itself from a carno tbh if it doesn’t charge it

[urban flax]

Except Carno could probably oneshot it

[hybrid matrix]

nah carno is about 10x as heavy as quetz

[worn pumice]

Hm

[hybrid matrix]

a utah is more evenly matched

[worn pumice]

I wouldn’t say carno would one shot it but carno is gonna win that fight

[swift dew]

even then I would hand it to utah more times than not

[hybrid matrix]

well yeah its about 1 1/2 x heavier than quetz

but

[worn pumice]

Utah is more agile anyways quetz would be great for killing juvis or smaller dinos

[urban flax]

Quetz would probably deal more damage tho

[hybrid matrix]

if it doesnt get the jump on it then the quetz can kill it

[worn pumice]

Also remember that weight isn’t always everything

[signal badge]

I don't imagine that pterosaurs were very tanky. Their bones were even more hollow than dinosaur bones

[worn pumice]

Weapons matter

[hybrid matrix]

i kno but when ur a pterosaur mostly everything can crush u

like literally crush ur bones

[urban flax]

True, Quetz has a 3-meter sword in place of its head

[worn pumice]

Ik that but just in general weight shouldn’t always dictate a fight

[swift dew]

its more like a lance since the only dangerous part of it is the tip

[worn pumice]

A good example is shant and Rex

[hybrid matrix]

well yeah ik but im just saying that a utahraptor can jump on a quetz and break its spine

[worn pumice]

Well in game not sure that’s gonna play out

[hybrid matrix]

ik but if the game tries to be realistic then pterosaurs r gonna be real susceptible to fractures
probably not tho since this game doesnt like realism all that much

[worn pumice]

Well clearly their not being realistic lol

[urban flax]

Haven't we discovered that pterosaur bones were super tough even though they were hollow ?

[worn pumice]

Yea

[swift dew]

they both have the option to run away, so its going to be intersting.

[urban flax]

Like, with a fibrous structure inside of them which absorbed trauma

[worn pumice]

It’s the same with birds as well even though their hollow their still tough

[signal badge]

I think the Utah's special ability is cool, and it would be awesome if more dinos had special abolities

[worn pumice]

Carno can charge and deino can lunge those r pretty cool

[hybrid matrix]

ohh i didnt kno that

[urban flax]

I'm not 100% sure about it

I think I've read it in paleotalk

[signal badge]

Agreed, but it doesn't seem like most other dinos have anything special going on. A few special damage attacks from the herbivores though

[worn pumice]

Well I mean the only other dinos in game is stego teno and ptera

[urban flax]

Stego can swing its tail, hypsi can spit, teno can go full glavenus

[worn pumice]

Ptera is pretty unique

[swift dew]

most things will have special abilities, tenos "uniqueness" comes from its 4 attacks, carno can charge, utah can pounce, deino can lunge, ptera can skim. hypsi can spit, dryo can dodge, and stego has a 360 degree jab (idk if you could call that a special ability though)

[worn pumice]

Also u can’t rly do much with stego

It’s just a fat Dino with a giant spike lol

U could give it maybe passive abilities

[signal badge]

I guess you're right

[swift dew]

I would consider the 360 jab a special ability because I dont think anything else is getting that

[barren zephyr]

@whole night

crocs/gators do NOT live in groups of "hundreds" this is a common misconception

[worn pumice]

Guess that’s true

Stego does have a pretty flexible tail

[barren zephyr]

The groups in this game are social groups (think of a lion pride), crocs dont from social groups at all

and even if we ignore that, having tons of deinos shit stomping and KOSING everything not in their group would be dogshit balance wise

[swift dew]

kentro is probably getting some sort of swing swing since stego doesn't have it, and a shoulder check

[worn pumice]

Imagine a anky jabbing

Lol

Stego could use a moving swing

[urban flax]

Kentro getting a swing but stego not getting it seems pretty dumb

[worn pumice]

That costs stamina and does less dmg but it’s aoe

[signal badge]

Wouldn't it be pretty cool if the Spinosaurus had some sort of semi-aquatic abilities?

[worn pumice]

It probably will

Whenever it comes out

[swift dew]

i think stego should get a swing, but kentro should definitly get it if they dont add it to stego, preferably they both get it though

[worn pumice]

I remember dondi saying he wants stego to swing as well so let’s see

[barren zephyr]

Dondi said he wanted stego to have full control of its tail

[worn pumice]

^

[signal badge]

Spinosaurus probably wasn't all that aquatic, and details are being discussed all the time by scientists, but it's not like the isle is very scientifically accurate anyways

[urban flax]

As I like to point out, there's a probability that The Isle' spino is more accurate than current depictions
(except for the eye socket thing)

[worn pumice]

The isle is as accurate as Pokémon

They just use realism things as a base

[signal badge]

Pokémon

[worn pumice]

Lol

[hybrid matrix]

yeah but pokemon has a lightning rat

[worn pumice]

Realism isle is scary rex would out trot everything

Trike would probably be the best herbi to play always

[hybrid matrix]

TI doesnt have a lightning rat

[urban flax]

Realism rex would go 15 km/h

[worn pumice]

Yup

[urban flax]

I don't see how that's out-trotting anything

[worn pumice]

Stego would be so slow to the point where it’s comical

Rex is known to be stamina based irl

It can’t run or things like that

But it had extremely good sense of smell so it could locate pretty much everything in a certain radius

[urban flax]

Oh yeah like humans then

[worn pumice]

Ye

[swift dew]

irl a stego could probably give a rex a run for its money, it has meter long spikes for a reason

[signal badge]

I'd like to see night vision come back to the game in evrima. It gives the game a very creepy feel at night when basically anything could pop out at any moment and attack you and you wouldn't see it before it's right next to you

[swift dew]

its coming, just wait

[whole night]

but they do live in larger groups.

[urban flax]

I wonder if bullets will have realistic damage ? Like, how many will be necessary to kill a rex to the head ?
I doubt any number of low-caliber rounds could kill one honestly...

[signal badge]

It's still just an animal. Humans are OP irl

[barren zephyr]

not social groups

[urban flax]

If you can't kill a rhino with bullets to the head, you can't kill a rex either

[barren zephyr]

the groups in this game are social

And even ignoring that, its just shit balance wise

[swift dew]

elephants can shrug off bullets to the head (though the ususally die from infection if not treated) and a rexes scales are probably more protective than an elephants skin

[worn pumice]

Yea no one wants 8 adult deinos sitting in a lake in one spot lol

[barren zephyr]

^

[hybrid matrix]

i feel like bullets just shouldnt do dmg to some larger creatures

well

depending on the gun

[barren zephyr]

brachi shouldnt take bullet damage from most guns

[worn pumice]

Certain creatures should get dmg reduced on their head

[hybrid matrix]

if its the most powerful gun in the game then the merc should stand a chance against something like a rex

[worn pumice]

Things like pachy and trike should have negative locational dmg to their head

[signal badge]

If you're going to a place where you might encounter big dangerous animals, you're going to bring a decent rifle. No living animal stands a chance against you then.

[swift dew]

I dont want dinosaurs to be bullet sponges like in ark, but I also dont want my allo to just insantly die because gun go pew pew

[urban flax]

Yep, but from what I've heard mercs aren't going in with big rifles... too bad for them I guess

[worn pumice]

Maybe irl but since humans are op their probably gonna full down either the weapons u get it the dmg they do

For obvious balance reasons

[signal badge]

Yep

[urban flax]

But now I'm more worried about tribals weapons... will they really be able to kill dinos ?
Now that I think about it a bullet doesn't really deal more damage than a spear...

[hybrid matrix]

wut if mercs had a spray of some kind that they could use to hide their scent?

[signal badge]

Humans hunted mammoths with spears and stones

[hybrid matrix]

thoughts?

[urban flax]

Idk

[signal badge]

Isn't that how wallowing works?

[hybrid matrix]

i also wonder how gilly suits could affect gameplay

[urban flax]

Mercs wallowing 🤔

[signal badge]

Lmao

[urban flax]

Doing the angel in the mud

[worn pumice]

👃I smell a rex👃

[swift dew]

I feel that tribals will be high risk high reward like utahraptors, but higher risk, a single utah could probably destroy a tribal if it landed a pounce, but a tribal could probably skewer a utah

[hybrid matrix]

seriously tho
how would camo equipment work (if it were added)

and wut equipment would there be

[urban flax]

Probably just making you look like a bush so you're harder to notice

[worn pumice]

^

I mean camo can be surpringly affective

[hybrid matrix]

i dont mean that
i mean like balance-wise

[signal badge]

Maybe if you threw a spear and it hit a dinosaur, perhaps it would have a heavy bleed effect.

[hybrid matrix]

sure if u remove the spear
otherwise that spear will keep the dino from bleeding out as long as its still inside it

[swift dew]

maybe a a ghillie suit, we have already seen how rexes can hide extremely well in the foliage of spero, no shot is anyone going to find you wearing this if they arent activly looking for you

[urban flax]

Unless it's a spear designed to bleed out things

[hybrid matrix]

well generally the spear keeps the blood in

[signal badge]

But if the dino starts moving around, the spear will start ripping up the wound up wouldn't it?

[urban flax]

Like I said, there's weapons like arrows and spears that are specifically designed to inflict bleeding wounds

[hybrid matrix]

it wouldnt rip it up, it would do internal damage however
if the spear is jostling around in there then it'll damage internal organs

[hybrid matrix]

ok
but im saying that if the spears arent like that then it'll keep the blood in

[signal badge]

Internal bleeding had practically the same effect as external

[urban flax]

Yeah of course

I can imagine tribals will be able to make several types of weapons
Bleeding ones, sheer damage ones, clubs for fracture damage...

[hybrid matrix]

that'd be cool

[urban flax]

I just hope tribals won't be just inbed-looking murderous orcs

Some of the human designs for the stomping land looked awesome

[hybrid matrix]

i kinda feel like suggesting this but im not sure i wanna use my 6 hour slowmode for it

[whole night]

[INHALE] yet groups of 2 seems a too little. 6 would work.

[worn pumice]

6?

Imagine 6 adult deinos together

[signal badge]

Humans are almost definitely going to group up though. It would be in a Dino's best interest to stay away. A human on their own without any equipment is basically just a tasty snack though

[worn pumice]

If it’s 6 juvis that’s one thing but these r 8 ton gators

U can’t have 6 of em in a grp

[hybrid matrix]

maybe when spinos are added groups of 3-4 would work but 6 is too many

6 8 ton gators will always be too many

[swift dew]

this is like the 50th time I have said this, but. I would like group limits to be removed, the game should be built in a way so that if you can feed your family you can keep your familly

[hybrid matrix]

hard grp limits are kinda useless tbh

[signal badge]

It would be awesome if humans had a kind of threat level that makes dinosaur players frightened when a few of them approaches. But not so powerful that it would ruin the balance of the game.

[hybrid matrix]

it'd be better if there was a reccomended grp limit

[swift dew]

so if you can feed 50 rexes, then you get to have a 50 player rex pack (your not going to be able to feed 50 rexes)

[worn pumice]

It’s not like the grp system doesn’t too much anyways

Ppl just talk through local and make massive packs anyways

[signal badge]

I think humans would have very high stamina, but relatively low-medium speed

[swift dew]

this would at least work well for the bigger animals, idk how well it would work for smaller things

[hybrid matrix]

and if u went over the recommended limit (depending on how many dinos r in ur grp) ur grp has a distinct pink scent trail that can be found from far away

[signal badge]

Perhaps humans could have a very high trot speed so it basically has unlimited stamina for running, but a faster sprint for short distances that consumes stamina. That's how humans work IRL. Compared to other animals, humans have practically unlimited stamina

Idk how powerful that would be

I'm just throwing suggestions

[urban flax]

Probably not too much, since humans probably won't go over 20 km/h and die in one hit from most dinos

Maybe tribals could reach 30 km/h or even more though

[signal badge]

Not too fast. Humans are good at running very far, not very fast

[urban flax]

But tribals aren't exactly humans.

(in this game I mean)

[signal badge]

?

[urban flax]

Tribals in The Isle are mutants of some sort

A little like The Forest's cannibals

[swift dew]

tribals are this

[urban flax]

That's an unofficial art, right ?

[swift dew]

not this

[swift dew]

I think so, but thats pretty much what they are but taller

[signal badge]

Idk how I feel about that

[worn pumice]

Tribals r supposed to be sort of like orcs

[swift dew]

the tribals and the cannibals are the same thing its just cannibals are tribals that eat other tribals

[urban flax]

I know they're not supposed to look like indians (and that would look out-of-place)
But maye they could at least have some hair ?

I've seen a fan-art long time ago that looked super nice imo but I couldn't find it again

[glad dirge]

Humanoid mutants

[urban flax]

With hair

I don't care if my tribal boi has pointy ears and tusks as long as I can have cascading hair flowing behind me as I run in the middle of jungles x)

[carmine bridge]

ew

[hybrid matrix]

suggestion is up

[barren zephyr]

6 is also awful

2 is better

[whole night]

a

wrong place

[hybrid matrix]

wow

did u try fighting them on land?

[whole night]

no i was traveling it was shallow with less water and basically like land and i died to the cnts

[hybrid matrix]

a deino can still take on a teno and 2 carnos

just dont let them near u

[whole night]

well

apparently no

the fckers keep tricking you to look at one then the others attack

and i cant do shit about it or one of them attacks

[hybrid matrix]

ive fought off 3 carnos and 2 sub stegos

[whole night]

these c*nts

well i am not a good fighter

[hybrid matrix]

do you know about something called, alt biting?

[whole night]

im that pacifist friendly that stays in a corner alone

also no

bc i had no stam

[hybrid matrix]

alt biting doesnt take stam

[whole night]

apparently it does.

[hybrid matrix]

it does not

[whole night]

i couldnt do sh*t when my stam was -

0*

[hybrid matrix]

btw im not talking about lunging

im talking about alt lmb

[whole night]

ye

i tried

i bit them 4 times

somehow the fckers didnt die

[hybrid matrix]

does the esc menu work for u?

[whole night]

yes but i cant log with it or it doesnt safelog

and i stay there standing still

[icy lion]

you log with h

[hybrid matrix]

thats not the point
so u can airbreak as a ptera?

if u hold z while flying as a ptera, do u airbreak?

[whole night]

yes.

anyways ima go tf2

[hybrid matrix]

ok well idk wuts wrong with ur game but alt biting doesnt cost stam

[whole night]

fck this game till the update is fully out-.

🖕 🖕

[hybrid matrix]

thats just disrespectful
especially when im trying to help u

[cosmic arrow]

How does the alt biting as a deino work?

[hybrid matrix]

u look where u wanna bite

u hold alt

and then u bite

[worn pumice]

works best when u sit in place

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

[cosmic arrow]

I tried that before, it just seems same to me

[hybrid matrix]

but if u wanna go back to the water u can hold alt and look behind u and then if anything comes close while ur walking u just bite

[cosmic arrow]

Oh ok

I think I understand that

I thought it should make a better turn for deino, now I understand its just about turn bitung

*biting

Will try that out, thank you

[delicate tulip]

@zinc rivet THAT is a must

Seeing the magy gallop like a horse makes me want to flip my desk

that animation you suggested needed to be used for magy, I could actually be fine with a sauropod moving at speed with that kind of animation, not some conceptually ridiculous gallop

[glad dirge]

magy run is....hehghuhhhughhhh..

yucky

[hybrid matrix]

@tiny hearth did u press a movement key instead of h?
bc if u pressed a movement key then thats on purpose

also

if u did press h and u still lost some stam then that goes in #723294838610722847, not #general-feedback

[zinc rivet]

yea :p the animations are my biggest gripe w/ the dinosaurs tbh, everything else i love

[white rune]

Magy run

is jus

just

unnatural

and isn't even the most efficient way for it to run

the nigersaurus animation was a good example of how it could be

[odd sedge]

@white rune may I throw in the idea of letting footprints fade in brightness the older they are until they are not visible anymore?
Unless that was what you wanted to suggest in your post, then I'm sorry to bother

[white rune]

I wanted to say it in my post

but I must have used wrong works lol

but if you want you're welcome to add your ideas next to it !

[merry roost]

ngl i like the scent idea

becuase current scent its hell to locate any bushes n all that becuase how overwhelming it is when you smell or the particles blend in or move to fast.

the main way i get bushes is through just sight at this point

which defeats the purpose of the scent when its visually hard to figure out what direction it is

[signal badge]

Since we seem to be getting more flying species, why not add a primitive bird species? An actual flying dinosaur like archaeopteryx, but a larger species

[merry roost]

Aw yes the negotiator

@worldly ginkgo your a god for this meme thank you.

[merry roost]

i cant tell if this guy is satire or not

[paper oriole]

presto besto, cherry can come when the omnivore roster has mid tiers in it

[barren zephyr]

Presto is quite badass thank you for the feedback!

[odd sedge]

I want cherry dammit🍒

[paper oriole]

cherry is very chad

honestly its hard to pick a fav tho i hope omnivores get some mids first

[barren zephyr]

I think Cherry is most likely, although I'd love to see them all in the future.

[odd sedge]

It's a chad with a cute nickname. Best of both worlds

[paper oriole]

i want to burst out of some bushes and yell "PRESTO1!!" while i break somebody's leg too though, ya know

[hybrid matrix]

could u maybe not have pinged me?

[odd sedge]

Okay this is great

[barren zephyr]

@ashen elm That's an awesome suggestion, and like you stated at the end it would be freakin awesome to have a Bronto tail whip!

[paper oriole]

they are all so great

also that walking anim reel is so satisfying to look at idk why

[barren zephyr]

Pelagornis is just over in the corner being forgotten about.

[paper oriole]

pela is good but he's just not as spicy as the other two

he's basically a meaner ptera that can drink sea water lol

[barren zephyr]

True, and Pterosaurs are better...

[ashen elm]

I blame Syn_JFG, he does awesome realistic dinosaur animations.
Look at this Diplo scene referencing WWD. :V
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/GlossyScratchyCottontail-size_restricted.gif

[paper oriole]

i wouldnt mind pela or argent (or both) eventually but im mor einterested in an herbi and omni flyer first ya know

[barren zephyr]

Or not better, but I think they should be put before the birds.

[paper oriole]

those tails are mesmerizing af before they split your jaw in half with a whip

[ashen elm]

https://twitter.com/Syn_JFD
His twitter if anyone wants it! I recommend.

Ben (@Syn_JFD)

Animator for @JFD_001 specializing in prehistoric life.

Tweets

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[hybrid matrix]

wait i think i suggested the tail-whip animation a while back

hang on

[barren zephyr]

I saw a really cool haast eagle idea a few days ago, although I think something like Thalassodromeus could be a bit cooler.

[paper oriole]

haast is kinda lame in the scheme of things, he's also very small

[barren zephyr]

They have ribbon tails.

[paper oriole]

people seem to overestimate haast's size when they think he can be a good hunter in the isle

argentavis and pela dwarf him

[ashen elm]

Yep that's characteristic of Diplodocids. While we're not completely sure why they were so long, could've been for communication (new theory) or defense.

[barren zephyr]

O yeah. Argentavis would probably be better then.

[paper oriole]

plus argentavis is a condor and condors just look cooler honestly

[hybrid matrix]

yeah i made a suggestion about sauropods whipping their tails while walking
#general-feedback message

[barren zephyr]

Idk Harpy eagles are pretty badass.