general-feedback-discussion

[paper oriole]

Yeah he's itty bitty

[celest furnace]

I was expecting at least Utah size

[swift dew]

whats tiny? i just joined the convorsation

[paper oriole]

Anzu, a relative, is more utah sized

Ovi

[swift dew]

oh yeah, ovi is small

[celest furnace]

In that case I think it should glide

And climb trees

Cuz I mean

[paper oriole]

This what you were thinkin of?

[celest furnace]

No ones going to believe a Utah sized ovi gliding the forest

[celest furnace]

Yesss

[paper oriole]

Anzu would basically just be fancy galli lol

[celest furnace]

😂

Nice

Aight ty for letting me know

Also isnt galli getting upsized?

[paper oriole]

No idea, i hope so

[celest furnace]

Oki

Ty

I gtg but ty for your feedback 😄

[paper oriole]

👌

[icy lion]

@noble timber if youre in evrima, the bite value is listed in the character screen (press insert)

[noble timber]

yea but i meant when you actually bite them then see a nice big round number showing the damage. Because damage is calculated with biteforce and weight not just the bite force.

[icy lion]

evrima doesnt use weight for damage

[noble timber]

whats weight for then?

[icy lion]

usually for cc and grabbing bodies

[noble timber]

oh ok and how do we know their health

[icy lion]

you dont

devs generally dont want stats to be completely shown or explained, they want it to be more vague

[noble timber]

old rex had like 1200 biteforce

adult deino has only 500

[icy lion]

alright

[manic flint]

Stego has like 6000 HP or smth

[noble timber]

i like the combat in this game i just feel like i dont know if im even hurting him or not

[manic flint]

So deino kills steg with 12 body shots (1x multiplier) 4 headshots (3x multiplier) and may too many tail shots cause those do like nothing now thankfully

I think

[dense vale]

the game isnt arcade style game. that would completely ruin immersion

[paper oriole]

Having numbers pop up on screen while you attack detract from the atmosphere of the game and make it look like WoW with dinosaurs

[past dune]

guys !! thoughts on my suggestion in #general-feedback

[noble timber]

ok i get that but having to do 30+ bites on a stego as a big croc is soo demoralising and is worse than ruining immersion

[paper oriole]

Yeah why not, dragging plant wads would be a nice quality of life for herbi nesting/groups

[noble timber]

maybe not a bush that'll be a bit dumb, a branch would be cool tho

[vale pawn]

a detached bush

[past dune]

then, certain small bushes that can be detached?

[paper oriole]

Im sure like a trike or something could rip up a whole bush but most herbis would be good grabbing fruits, branches and clumps

[past dune]

yes, i agree

[paper oriole]

@icy lion he's in here too

ope you got it lmao

[icy lion]

yea i saw, ty

[paper oriole]

also in lore theories

[icy lion]

i just banned him, not having someone like that in the community

[paper oriole]

A heart beat to give away a big predator and ruin their hunts? Also heart beat sounds dont even add horror 99.9% of the time

[icy lion]

@livid fern all 3 of those are confirmed

[livid fern]

really? where is the confirmation? I would love to read dev notes regarding that

[icy lion]

suchomimus is in legacy and was formerly on the roadmap, baryonyx was in legacy and we got new concept art for it in #phase-two-archive , quetz was in legacy and punchpacket said it was getting remodelled

[paper oriole]

Spino literally has a model

[icy lion]

everything form legacy is coming back except for pue

[urban flax]

[paper oriole]

Like its all coming

[icy lion]

ah you said spino not sucho my b, but yea weve seen spinos model as well

and some animations

[paper oriole]

Doesnt look like much of a swimmer though and neither does bary

Spino would probably walk underwater and bary looks no more aquatic than an allosaurus aside frok having a fishing snoot

[icy lion]

spino was said to walk on riberbeds like a hippo

yea

[urban flax]

Fun fact
There's a slight chance that TI's Spino (apart from the eye socket) is more accurate than current depictions

[icy lion]

but its likely the new swimming will be used for other new dinos, like beipi and maybe minmi

maybe austro as well

[livid fern]

there is a discussion about the swimming capacities of spino yes

[paper oriole]

Slight chance, but unlikely

Also the tiny ass sail

Sad sail

[icy lion]

and long long legs

[livid fern]

i forgot about beipi and sucho

[paper oriole]

He looks like a baryonix on steroids pulling a bad dimetrodon cosplay

[urban flax]

But there is a probability that spino did, in fact, have long legs (well pprobably not as long as that tho)

[paper oriole]

Beipi and minmi

[urban flax]

(They look like carno legs)

[paper oriole]

Sucho also doesnt look like the best swimmer

[icy lion]

most likely a wader, at least i hope so

[livid fern]

anyway, what i meant is the idea of dinosaurs which can fly or stay underwater/benefit from rivers

[paper oriole]

Yeah he looks like it, same with bary who looks like hed even hunt on land regularly

Yeah we're getting more aquatic guys like minmi who is a tiny ankylosaur and beipi who is penguin theri

And austro might swim idk

[livid fern]

having pteranodon need to care about what might be above their heads while flying should be fun hahaha

[urban flax]

Just scrolled up the suggestions
We already got two of them in one day

[lofty pagoda]

the eagle

[livid fern]

haast eagle could be great too

[safe galleon]

no

[lapis tree]

Yes

[azure wadi]

No

[lapis tree]

Ok

[jovial sleet]

Quezt suggestion seems cool.....also re adding me and pyro well liked nocturnal quetz doc here too https://docs.google.com/document/d/18GAfK8Q6RurvoDKF6UFCgekdym8pOiecDJ9k6LpSoO0/edit?usp=drivesdk

[barren zephyr]

If Quetz can peck a Utah for 80% HP I want to be able to pounce them and take them out of the sky when they try

It's bullshit trying to hit a Ptera with a pounce and they don't do much damage right now, a stronger flyer could rapidly become a problem if the gameplay is too safe for them

[noble pine]

@past dune we aren’t getting bush dragging because that defeats the purpose of migrating, plus, you have no reason to, there’s bushes everywhere, and once the diet system comes out there’s going to be even more bushes.

[safe galleon]

ptera able to pounce from trees? that's herras thing

also the no fall damage part sounds a bit broken

[paper geyser]

We’re pretty sure shin is a troll

[barren zephyr]

I'm honestly not even trolling

[paper geyser]

Not even gonna try disproving Utah’s ability to climb a tree irl

[urban flax]

I'm 100% sure shin is a troll

[barren zephyr]

I'm actually not I thought it was a pretty good idea

[urban flax]

Did you change your mind ?

[glad dirge]

Bush dragging? Why would that be needed they aren't gonna be floating in water

[urban flax]

Nesting I guess

[glad dirge]

[urban flax]

Or setting up traps
Since stegos seem to like to play aggro, they could drag bushes near a hiding spot and kill every herbi that comes by

HEY I'm thinking something about the ongoing stress/discomfort debate
Two things actually
One, some herbies could be able to carry corpses
Two, you should only feel discomfort around bodies of your own species

That may solve the "carnivore running around with a body in its mouth" problem, because it is unlikely that a carnivore faster than you can carry one of your brethren into their mouth without being slowed down

[still raptor]

@barren zephyr You’re proposal completely invalidates Hererras existence.

[devout sun]

@barren zephyr's famous 'giving utah more power than it deserves' suggestions are back! This time, we try to "give utah wings" without actually giving it wings!

Totally agree with Krayt, that's what herrera is supposed to do. And also, your utah just might have something that it can't catch easily without good ambush tactics and the oh so glorious "patience."

I think baby utahs could be able to climb, that's a great way to make them more unique and interesting to grow. Stam cost going up as you get bigger, along with fall damage going up too. Until around 45% grown where your too big to get more than a jump up. That also means it's a risk, since if your not careful you may fall prey to a herrera.

I'm too tired to have another discussion, you have already confirmed you are ironically or unironically trolling anyway, not worth it right now I'm tired.

[odd sedge]

I think the cera suggestion with the head ripping off would be fine if the dinosaur would be one shot anyways.

I don't want cera to be out there, ripping stego heads off because they managed to bite the head

[jovial oak]

^^^^^

[odd sedge]

Imagine Cera biting a hypsi.
It would probably die in one bite anyways, but it's a neat detail with the head ripping, if cera hit near the head.

Doesn't change the fact that you are dead, you would have died anyways, just looks badass

[urban flax]

You you might die just by having your stamina depleted ?

So you're a rex, sit down to lie and regain stamina after a long run, get bitten once by a troodon and die ?

But if you're already out of stamina

But you'll die anyways

If you lie the troodon just keeps biting you

You can't oneshot something if you have no stamina to attack it

And in the game, it happens all the time to run out of stamina

Still, being punished so hard just for running out of stamina and getting unlucky feels very hard

It's not how games work though
That's why nothing in the game can oneshot an apex

So what, it doesn't work on big enough prey ?

hmmm

Now for the eating alive part
I guess you may wake up if troodons don't eat you ?

So you remain locked looking at your dying dino the whole time ?

So there is no way to wake up once in this state ?

[silver blaze]

It would be a big mess to implement this and I don't think they ever will put this into the game

Ok you don't like legacy calm diwn

[inner hound]

oh shit

wromng chat

lmfaoo

lmfao im sorry

[urban flax]

I'm still dubitative about that whole mechanic. Sure that is how poison is supposed to work irl, but I hope we can get something a little more interesting for troodon venom. Like, dilo venom gives you hallucinations, troo venom can be creative too

[silver blaze]

Yes but it's not going to happen

Yeah but your not going to be able to eat someone alive

Then your not alive are you so there is no point

It's the same as being dead

[urban flax]

What's the point of giving it "live signs" ? That will need extra animation (adaptable with gore) and well... I'm not sure it's really scary

[silver blaze]

It sounds cool but it's not practical or makes any sense in a video game it's the same as being dead in a videogame

[urban flax]

Not worth the effort imo

Just make it so the dino dies at that point, and it's all good

[swift dew]

so what does this "death" but technically still alive do? does it make you look at your screen while people are eating you? or are you booted back to the character menu and your body is still wiggling

[urban flax]

He already answered that

[barren zephyr]

@delicate tulip

pachyrhino is already confirmed btw

[paper oriole]

The “add queue” spam continueth

[odd sedge]

Halleluja

[glad dirge]

not like a queue system would help

[strange wave]

@odd sedge what about it being variable between species, like, ptera in particular having a massive group name tag range while something like hypsi has a comparatively small one

[odd sedge]

This would be perfect

[crude girder]

@sacred fjord you can catch fish at every stage of growth with Ptera, however flying is much harder a juvi, so you may struggle at first.

[gentle igloo]

How does someone play the stress test servers?

[paper oriole]

upvoting your own spam suggestion

[timber mesa]

Imagine

[jovial oak]

@mild walrus How have people been hostile towards the queue idea? Last I saw punch said it’s something they want in the game, but difficult to implement. Nothing hostile unless I’m missing something.

[devout sun]

@mild walrus The queue is not of high importance right now. People pull out the because everyone wants it, it's probably gonna happen at some point.

It has been stated that a queue system is really tough to do, and will take some time. The fact that people continue to constantly ask for it is the reason people are being told to shut, adding yet another suggestion for it means nothing, it's gonna happen sometime, just not now.

[mild walrus]

I mean the suggestions go on for days, there's no way I would organically see it, lol. I just started evrima a week ago and I thought it was a good idea. But I'll just go kill myself lol 🤷‍♂️

[timber mesa]

[jovial oak]

w a t

[devout sun]

It's pretty constant, you only have to scroll up for like 4 seconds to see one. And every 5 seconds of scrolling you will see another, and another.

[radiant hinge]

Nah, great idea. If others don't like seeing someone else having the same idea, they shouldn't be in this channel.

[paper oriole]

ummmm a bit of an overreaction

lmao

[devout sun]

[mild walrus]

It was a joke lol

[radiant hinge]

I know i know lol

That's a great 😃

Smile*

[devout sun]

They asked what all the is about, I explained why. I agree it should happen, and idc if people continue posting suggestions, they can do them.

But as someone who reads every suggestion in that channel, it does get annoying that so many people don't even notice how many others

[radiant hinge]

True

[devout sun]

seriously, just react with a check to one, you don't have to repost the same thing at least 200 people have said in the last week alone

Especially for something as unimportant as a queue system

if it was like, total distaste for an animaion in phase 2

if anyone remembers the first carno run anims and general feedback when that happened

you might know what I'm talking about

[lethal silo]

i remember carnos first sit animation.....

[devout sun]

It's still weird honestly

It's so very wide

[lethal silo]

its much better than it was 😂

[devout sun]

Yeah that was

funny

[radiant hinge]

Ya, it is a little weird

[mild walrus]

I think the more people that post about a queue, the more likely it will be moved up the roster.. and I mean the server full thing has been a plague even in legacy.. it should be a priority.

[urban flax]

I think suggesting the same thing over and over while the devs are already working on it is completely useless

[devout sun]

I would rather have everything before a queue. Full servers aren't gonna be a problem once the update comes out most likely anyway. I would rather them spend time on diets, fractures, more playables, new water, graphics, and performance, then letting me get in queue for a server I can just wait 5 minutes to connect to anyway. Actually if you add a queue, people would be in line for so much longer. If you use the right trick you can get into even the stress test servers in less than 10 minutes constantly. If everyone is in a queue, those tricks mean nothing. Of course after the test is over, which would be 2 days from now, chances are that full servers will be much less common regardless.

[swift dew]

@mild walrus everyone gives the to everyone asking for queues because they have already confirmed they are working on it, its like 30 people separatly just go and say add rex, even though its confirmed and they have reasons why it isnt in the game

[odd sedge]

^

[devout sun]

And that ^^

What's the point of asking over and over if they said they are working on it? It's literally just pestering them, and everyone who reads those suggestions

so just

[carmine path]

Literally this

[dry osprey]

Discussion: Should Patchies get a buff for climbing rocks or steep cliffs/mountains? Could go all the way and give it the goat niche

And gives it an option to escape creatures it can’t fight that may outstam it

[paper oriole]

it's a common idea, and their concept shows them hanging out on rocks, so i'd honestly be disappointed if we don't get mountain goat pachy

[urban flax]

How would you do it tho ?

[lethal silo]

what do you mean by buff though

[urban flax]

^

[dry osprey]

It would simply be able to go up steeper inclines than other dinos who slide

[urban flax]

<then yes, why not

[lethal silo]

considering pachy was one of the few legacy playables who had a jump i imagine itll be kinda jumpy regardless

[dry osprey]

I know its seen in the concept art, but Raptors are shown climbing trees in its concept and we don’t have that(not saying we should) but I really would love to see Patchy doing it

[lethal silo]

i like the steepness idea a lot

packy bolts straight up a 75 degree wall like bye

....

pachy

[dry osprey]

Pachy be packing tho

[lethal silo]

i fucking love pachy

[dry osprey]

Lmao jkjk, but yeah thats pretty much the idea

Since its probably going to be a brawler like Teno, and Teno has the water escape option

I’d give the Patchy the cliffs option

And to balance it out and make it immortal by standing on the middle of an incline, I’d give it to a few select slower predators too.

[lethal silo]

[dry osprey]

Mega would be a good one. Patchy can still yeet itself away from big slow lizard, but it cant afk grow itself on a cliff

[lethal silo]

i mean a utah could possibly still pounce up an incline or even from above

[dry osprey]

That too

[lethal silo]

and herras, if they get climby, might also tree ambush

[dry osprey]

Depends on the incline if they can get a tree on the bottom thats heigh enough

[lethal silo]

yeah def

[dry osprey]

Ima def make the suggestion, I’m all down for improving Patchy bc it sucks in legacy which is a damn shame

[glad dirge]

for an animal that seems like it would be a darn good swimmer teno swims pretty slow

[dry osprey]

Teno needs a swim buff, its supposed to be a good swimmer

[robust vine]

i dont get why people are against the global chat option. i enjoy talking to other people and find it boring when you can only talk to the same species

[versed zodiac]

carno main here and i object. carno can easily body teno the problem is that teno has it easier with a op attack. so yeah if you get hit as carno you are screwed however if you know what your doing it is easy to kill a teno. also most tenos are idiots

[dry osprey]

It would be some kind of buns if it wasn’t. Considering its favorite food is supposed to be in the swamp, and its supposed to stay near the swamp, and it has a bit paddle tail

[barren zephyr]

Sure, but if tenos were smart, they would stomp carnos most of the time

[swift dew]

if the enjoyment you get from this game comes from chatting, then you should get a new game

[dry osprey]

Local reminder that the slower dinosaurs is supposed to have the advantage and not win by the skin of its cheek

[barren zephyr]

Yeah

and?

[dry osprey]

Teno is the slower dino

[barren zephyr]

yeah

Whats your point?

[dry osprey]

It shouldn’t be barely beating Carno.

[glad dirge]

The only major factor with teno v carno is the fact that carno can bounce whenever it wants to and its woodchipper attack doesnt take stamina so theres not really a risk factor offense wise other then getting hit with tenos tail

[versed zodiac]

see but they are not. lots of tenos think they are way better than they are. and a carno can 12 shot a teno in the head they also have the same health or just about and carno also has a slightly less op attack with its knock down which can stun a teno. also carno has a huge speed advantage and is in complete control of how much damage it takes. ie carno can escape teno cant

[barren zephyr]

I agree

[barren zephyr]

hm, makes sense

but how is this relevant

[dry osprey]

12 shot teno in the head???? Thats not correct

[glad dirge]

I thought it was 4 shot

[cyan flame]

Yeah, that sounds way off

[barren zephyr]

Teno is overpowered compared to the rest of the pseudo mids

[dry osprey]

Theres no way Teno has incredibly more health than a stego

[swift dew]

atm teno v carno should be extremely skill based, eventually (since carno is supposed to be a small game hunter) teno should absolutly curbstomp carno.

[dry osprey]

Not a chance in hell

[barren zephyr]

1.6 ton animal growing in 2 hours leaves things like magy with no chance

[glad dirge]

its different if its 2 carnos, in a 2v1 you only lose as teno because you run out of stamina

[barren zephyr]

Makes sense to me

[rocky aspen]

Decrease growth times.

just decrease them.

[swift dew]

no, base growth times should be longer and diets will decrease them to a managable time

[barren zephyr]

horrible idea

[glad dirge]

@past eagle no one can help if you are stuck in stess test

[barren zephyr]

like piggy said, diets exist

base growth times dont really matter

Sure 2.5 hour teno is a bit much

[past eagle]

that's fine i'm just wondering if i can report the spot or not

[barren zephyr]

but you can grow it in like 1 hour with diets

[glad dirge]

the growth times should stay as they are and increase/decrease at the amount you move and what you eat

[rocky aspen]

decrease growth times for Utah and Teno to an hour and a half or so so that it’s not a waste trying to grow it.

[barren zephyr]

What type of logic is that

Teno is 1.6 tons heavier then utah

[glad dirge]

utah growth should stay as it is,

[crude girder]

That is... not how that works Dio

[dry osprey]

That doesnt solve the fact adult teno barely beats Carno and has a stam problem

[crude girder]

Teno is 1.1 tons heavier, Utah is 0.5 tons

[swift dew]

utah IS already 1 hour and half

[barren zephyr]

It's like 1 ton heavier actually

[past eagle]

guess that spot where i got stuck will take more victims

[glad dirge]

i think they meant bring teno to 1.5

[icy lion]

i pinged you in #moderation telling you the proper place to report bugs, #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[past eagle]

ah sorry didn't see the ping

[barren zephyr]

Just play teno better

[crude girder]

Yeah Teno only weighs 1.6 tons, so saying it is 1.6 tons heavier than Utah means Utah doesn't weight literally anything

[rocky aspen]

I think all herbivores growths should be decreased (for teno and important herbivores in the future that need to be abundant)

[barren zephyr]

why?

[rocky aspen]

Because it would encourage herbivore growth.

[crude girder]

Wait hold on Deer, what do you mean "stam problem?"

[barren zephyr]

Diets already do that

[dry osprey]

“Just play Teno better” teno looses to more than one Carno because it physically doesnt have the stam to beat two

[past eagle]

even though i was just asking a question

[barren zephyr]

Plants are much more easier to find then meat

[dry osprey]

And cant escape

Thats the most braindead thing ive heard

[barren zephyr]

so herbies will likely grow faster then carnis on average

[glad dirge]

I can see the decreasing of mid tier and below herbs to increase population, but steggie and above should not be decreased

[cyan flame]

Tenno is plenty poweful enough, and well, 1v2, you're going to be in trouble, tenno is not big enough to warrant being fine vs two carnos, who are big enough to take it on 1v1 more or less.

[barren zephyr]

Why are you basing balance off of a 1v2?

[crude girder]

Is... is it that out of the question for an animal to lose a 1v2 against a creature bigger and faster than it?

[barren zephyr]

"oh no, two utahs beat one dilo, buff dilo!"

[cyan flame]

Sure, tenno is in the upper end of what a carno should hunt, but it's still able to be stunned or knocked down, so it's in the prey range

Makes sense to me at least

[crude girder]

Plus the Teno can actually escape a Carno if its got some forest on hand, you can run for like, twice as long

[glad dirge]

yeah but you are like, twice as slow

[crude girder]

just gotta make them waste their stam, then out trot them since you have a stupid good trot

[rocky aspen]

Herbivores should just be encouraged in the way that they’re more accessible.

[barren zephyr]

lots of foliage

[glad dirge]

if you are bleeding you cant escape without mud

[barren zephyr]

they already are

Diets are going to be much easier for herbies

Plants dont run away from you

[cyan flame]

Except herbi diets punishes, carnis do not :p

But otherwise, yes, herbis should have it somewhat easier, as long as their feeding grounds don't get camped or something

[barren zephyr]

And its much easier to stick with the diet, also when was that confirmed?

[glad dirge]

isnt carno supposed to be a small game pred anyway

[rocky aspen]

I hope that in the future, there is plenty of dietary requirements that keep me to keep moving rather than sit in a bush and just wait for 1/2 of the 2 hour growth or so.

[cyan flame]

Pretty sure it's been said that carnis will only get positives if they eat right, but no negatives if they do not, vs herbis who will actually end up in a bad spot if they do not eat properly

[glad dirge]

plus the idea of afk growing will prolong your lifetime and take you longer to grow

[rocky aspen]

I don’t think resting and staying still should do that.

[glad dirge]

[barren zephyr]

Wont carnis be able to afk grow then?

Hopefully they change it

[cyan flame]

It is. You primarily hunt the things you knock down, if you can stun them, I'd say they are in prey range, maybe if you got a partner. Things you can't even stun should be off your radar entirely.

[rocky aspen]

Herbivores should be able to digest food and grow faster while they’re moving and eating, kind of to keep their guts moving.

[cyan flame]

I mean, carnis need to hunt.. so there is that

[barren zephyr]

AI?

[cyan flame]

And when ai no longer just shows up, you have to be out and about

Yes, go hunt the ai, remember

[rocky aspen]

While carnivores digest better while resting.

[cyan flame]

Just look at how people have issues with dryo ai right now :p

[barren zephyr]

That can change in the future

[glad dirge]

plus you wont be able to sit with bodies forever until they despawn because of corpse rotting and gore ish

[cyan flame]

Fair, but it can go either way. They make tricky ai, you'll have to hunt properly, or starve. There's your anti afk. Biggest reason carnis can afk in legacy, ai spawns in their mouths.

[glad dirge]

the dryo ai right now is scarce though, I think Ive only seen one so far and it was teleporting around in a river

[barren zephyr]

hm, makes sense

teno shouldnt have a lower growth rate then carno though

[rocky aspen]

I think it should.

[cyan flame]

Or maybe they just hide.. :p

[barren zephyr]

Both of them are apex small tiers

[swift dew]

i dont think the solution to afk growing is going to be diets, im pretty sure diets are so not everyone is in the same exact spot cough great falls. the solution to afk growing is to just implement a system that stops your growth if you don't move for more than 5 minutes, you could also make it so you are weaker if you don't move as much.

[cyan flame]

You know that'll just be more or less "abused" and stuff. Also no ,you should be able to chill if you are in a good spot, not be forced to move around. Diets will help since if you eat badly, you get twice as long growth.

[barren zephyr]

but what if you have to do something for 5 minutes?

[rocky aspen]

majority of thepeople playing are Utah, Carno and deino. Making herbivore growth lower increased the chances that somebody will choose to just be a herbivore. Which is needed.

[barren zephyr]

How would your system work?

[cyan flame]

So sure, you can afkgrow a stego, but it'll take 10+ hours instead of 5, or maybe 3-4 if you eat properly even.

[glad dirge]

if you increase tenos growth time beyond 2 1/2 hours there will be few who play it because of its higher risk than reward and overall survivability rate

[barren zephyr]

but what about smaller herbies like magy?

[swift dew]

then your growth gets paused and resumes as soon as you move again

[barren zephyr]

What will 1.3 ton magy do when teno grows in 2 hours and is stronger in everyway?

Unless you make magy grow in 1.5 hours then no ones going to play it

[glad dirge]

magy is ony 1.3 tons?? really?

yowch

[swift dew]

but you cant punish carnis for not eating right, there is more than 50 playable animals, maybe nobody decided to play your favorite food, you cant get punished for that

[barren zephyr]

what stomps someone from just crouching and moving every 3 minutes?

[cyan flame]

You don't get punished as carni for not eating the right food? You get boosts though, so you'd still want to be out there and get the food.

[versed zodiac]

sorry not the head. i think its the body.

[cyan flame]

Or at least how I imagine it would work

[glad dirge]

I think there should be foods that you shouldnt eat as carni, nothing negative but more of you dont get as much nutriants from eating fish as say a utah

[swift dew]

well yeah, but whats to stop afk growers now?

[rocky aspen]

Who cares if there’s afk growers??

What else are you supposed to do during your 5 hour growth time :/

[paper oriole]

afk grower spotted

[rocky aspen]

There’s not much to do usually until you’re an adult.

[cyan flame]

Is there a lot of carni afkgrowing going on right now in QA servers? Except maybe deinos who have fish to feed on.

[swift dew]

play the game, try and find your favorite food. try and unlock perks. idk the MECHANICS

[glad dirge]

you mostly see more afk growing with herbies because if they are spotted as anything less then an adult by something hungry it is certain death

[cyan flame]

And yeah, perks will help too

[versed zodiac]

um due to the fact that carno has the advantage of speed meaning it can choose to continue the fight. a teno cant choose because it cant run from a carno. basically an injured carno can decied to end the fight but an injured teno cant because it cant run.

[rocky aspen]

Thats when it’s added.

[cyan flame]

Will also most likely be something you have to actively do to get

[rocky aspen]

Maybe once it’s added some kind of anti AFK grower system could be put into place.

[cyan flame]

Run, tailslam if carno comes close, into forest, jump over logs, hell, trick the carno with that one and kill em if you can!

[rocky aspen]

But only when the game is diverse enough to keep you busy.

[swift dew]

well . there isnt anything to stop anything untill its added, thats why we are making ideas

[barren zephyr]

yeah but what about magy?

If tenos growth is too low then magy either has to have a absurd growth rate or be made into a teno clone

[versed zodiac]

again carno can still run them down in that time. especially with a moving scent. yeah the tenno might gain maybe an extra 5 seconds with that.

[versed zodiac]

i agree that magy should have the faster grow.

[barren zephyr]

but how faster?

if tenos is 2 hours what would magys growth be?

[cyan flame]

Maybe, but you should be able to punish them at least

[versed zodiac]

i would take of about 30 min.

[rocky aspen]

Fast enough to make it so you’re not walking around the map for ho ur s and hours looking for the right foods just to grow.

[barren zephyr]

But then its utahs growth

and thats a bit silly

[rocky aspen]

It’s just so slow.

[versed zodiac]

then 15 min

[barren zephyr]

But then its too close

[rocky aspen]

Wtf

Utah growth isn’t 30 minutes

[versed zodiac]

not really

[barren zephyr]

no one would play magy when you can spend 15 more minutes and get a better dinosaur

[versed zodiac]

magy will also have cc

its confirmed

[barren zephyr]

so does teno?

And making magy a teno clone makes it a waste

[versed zodiac]

ok so you get a simalier quaility to teno for less time and poison

sounds good to me

[rocky aspen]

15 minutes is dumb growth time unless you’re like.. a low low tier like a troodon.

[barren zephyr]

No, I want it and cerato to function as the apex small tiers

[versed zodiac]

who cares what you want

[barren zephyr]

what do you mean?

[cyan flame]

? What are you on about when it comes to growth times?

[versed zodiac]

are you a dev?

[barren zephyr]

I'm giving feedback

in general feedback

[barren zephyr]

tenos growth time is too low

it makes balancing growth times with smaller herbivores hard

[rocky aspen]

Is too low???

[versed zodiac]

ok so again its just feed back. dont throw that "i want this shit" because its irrelevant and flawed

[barren zephyr]

how???

I made a suggestion for I want the game to work

That's the point of general feedback

I gave lots of reasons to

[versed zodiac]

flawed due to the fact both dinos are around the size of carno and teno who are already midtiers.

[barren zephyr]

not the same size, and considering magys build its a lot less stable then teno

[versed zodiac]

magy the same size as carno and teno same size as cera

[barren zephyr]

what?

[swift dew]

this is flawed too, I was EXPLICITLY told by one of the qa members that they don't balance by "tiers"

[barren zephyr]

No, that would ruin the point of the dinosaurs

[rocky aspen]

They should be balanced by niches :/

[versed zodiac]

plus both are confirmed mid tiers

[swift dew]

if you want me to go find it give me like 15 minutes

[cyan flame]

@barren zephyr What should the growth times be then?

[versed zodiac]

i would love to

[astral crescent]

how do you fix the bug that doesnt allow you see chat?

how can I see the chat again

[rocky aspen]

I want Hyspi babies

[barren zephyr]

Pseudo mid growth rates (My opinion) -

Average mid tier growths - 3.5 hours

mega - 2 hours and 45 minutes

Reason - I'm guessing mega will use venom to punch up, I can see a mega making a allo think twice before killing which something like cerato or carno and even bary can't do, so giving mega a similer growth rate to them is pretty unfair to them, BUT mega is still way less bulky then a average mid tier, so it shouldnt have the exact same growth as one

cerato - 1 hour and 50 minutes

Reasons - I'm assuming we're getting a accurate 1 ton cerato, and even with cera being a fighter I don't see it having any chance against a allo, at max it could fight a carno and it mainly relies on scavenging, basically the apex small tier that bullies things below it.

kentro - 3 hours

Reasosns - Kentro is basically a mid tier because of it spikes, the hell is a allo going to do against those things? It's 30 minutes shorter because again, it isnt that bulky and relies on gimmick to survive.

dibble - 2 hours and 45 minutes

Reasons - This guy is basically kentro but with worse defense and more offensive, those horns are in the PERFECT spot to deal serious damage to a allo, its a pseudo mid in every way but punches up into being a mid tier, still not bulky enough to warrant a over 3 hour growth, it's basically a glass cannon.

magy - 1 hour and 50 minutes

Reasons - Basically herbie cerato, it's the apex small tier that can deal with things below it, but struggles against bigger things, more defensive then offensive of course. I 'll post my moveset for magy in general feedback discussion.

bary - 2 hours

It's a fisher carno that trades speed for a reliable source of food if it cant get off a hunt, bary/cera/carno all have a 50/50 with eachother, but carno is the fastest guy in the whole roster so he's objectively better then them so get's a longer growth time.

[versed zodiac]

i definitely think both cera and and magy should have less grow time than carno and teno

but they should not be considerd "apex smalls"

[barren zephyr]

but how short?

[versed zodiac]

already said 15 min.

[rocky aspen]

Diablo is almost 3 hours??

[barren zephyr]

thats too short

Why in the world would someone grow a cerato?

[versed zodiac]

sorry 15 min less than cera and teno is what i mean

[barren zephyr]

When carno exist and takes 15 more minutes to grow

[barren zephyr]

I know

15 minutes is nothing

[versed zodiac]

how is that to short. that sounds perfect

[barren zephyr]

and since we have dyanmic growth carno would already be a adult

[rocky aspen]

15 minutes out of 8 hour growth times 0////0

nOoo

[robust vine]

I enjoy talking to different players, its a good way to make friends. being limited to only being able to talk to the same species doesn't really sound very enjoyable. That's the main reason why i don't like the official servers since its very hard to find people who want to group. I think it would be best for the devs to add a global chat option for a server to enable or disable that way everyone's happy and enjoying the game.

[barren zephyr]

This isnt legacy

[versed zodiac]

also you forget that teno and carno have 2 hours and 30 min grow times

[swift dew]

bam

[barren zephyr]

not true

[versed zodiac]

k thx

[barren zephyr]

teno is 2 hours

carno is 2.5

[versed zodiac]

ok

[cyan flame]

@barren zephyr Hm, alright. What about the rest of the smalls?

[versed zodiac]

and again i think 15 min less is perfect

[barren zephyr]

I was talking about peudo mid tiers

not the tiny guys

[barren zephyr]

how?

If it takes 15 more minutes to get a objectively better dinosaur, who wouldnt grow for 15 more minutes

[versed zodiac]

its 15 min less. also there will be people who dont care about the power. example people playing cera in legacy when allo existed

cera was objectively worse than allo yet had a player base.

[barren zephyr]

so you just want them to be objectively worse and hope people play it because.........reasons?

[cyan flame]

Alright. I don't know about the times, it'd depend on time vs what you get, and all that. So it depends on what the critters get to do and all that.

[barren zephyr]

diablo is a mid tier

[glad dirge]

I liked cera because I didnt want allos turn radius

[rocky aspen]

There’s no tier bruh tiers are stupid and unbalanced

[versed zodiac]

they also have uniqness in that cera can eat literally anything and magy is poisonus. (magys isnt that much important but ceras is

[barren zephyr]

Well you cant balance things around hoping that people play a objectively worse dino

[versed zodiac]

again cera will have diet bonuses

[barren zephyr]

explain?

[barren zephyr]

what about magy?

[versed zodiac]

poison

[barren zephyr]

Oh well thats fine then

20 minutes off would be better

[versed zodiac]

again magy being the worse example

[barren zephyr]

I still think teno needs a 2.5 hour growth rate so magy/cerato can be 2 hours

[versed zodiac]

so for magy it would be 1 hour and 40 min which is 5 min less than update 2 utah?

[barren zephyr]

Isnt utah a 1.5 hour growth?

[glad dirge]

ehhhh I dont think tenos growth should be equal to carnos

[versed zodiac]

idk if it got a new growth time but it was 1 hour 45 min

[glad dirge]

it should be 1.5 right now

[barren zephyr]

just give magy/cerato/dilo all 1:45 minutes growths

I guess that would work

[versed zodiac]

i actually agree with dio for once in that teno should be equal to carno

[barren zephyr]

utahs needs to be lowered though

[versed zodiac]

omg are you actually an idiot. cerato and utah should not have the same growth lol. same with cera and dilo lol.

[barren zephyr]

how?

Well if we dont increase tenos growth rate it has to work like that

[versed zodiac]

um the size and combat effectiveness difference. especially with your statement that cera would just be a worse carno in that case utah would just be a worse cera.

[barren zephyr]

what type of logic is that

Smaller doesn't = worse

[versed zodiac]

evidently yours lol

[barren zephyr]

how?

I never said something like that

[versed zodiac]

"Well you cant balance things around hoping that people play a objectively worse dino" from you

[glad dirge]

why would you keep utah and cera at the same growth? Shouldnt utah be less than cera?

[barren zephyr]

Giving cerato only 15 minutes off from the fastest carnivor in the game would be ludicrous

[barren zephyr]

and?

Utah isnt a worse cerato

[barren zephyr]

Well this is the issue that comes from tenos growth not being increased

[versed zodiac]

that was your logic and i applied it and you fucking disagreed with it. how much of a hypocrite are you?

[barren zephyr]

I dont want them to have the same growth

[barren zephyr]

What do you mean?

Utah can jump and is faster then cerato, what would cerato have over carno?

Yeah it has a gimmick, but carno can pick and choose ANY fight it wants

[glad dirge]

strength and more biteforce I would think

compared to carnos stam/speed plus cera can eat anything and everything

[barren zephyr]

running away is better then fighting

[versed zodiac]

a unique diet, the abbility to cannibalize, a confirmed more robust combat style and an almost semi aquatic option as a playstyle with the fact it is confirmed a descent swimmer

[barren zephyr]

yeah and carno is the fastest playable in the whole roster

that beats all of those

[versed zodiac]

considering you disagreed with that when i stated that carno has that over tenno. i would say again your a hypocrite

[barren zephyr]

because when they do fight, teno wins hard.

[glad dirge]

barely

if done wrong

its really skill based

[versed zodiac]

u huh. and again the carno will probably run from a cera if cera is stronger. also cera has the swim away option

[barren zephyr]

not really, 15 tail slams and if carno gets hits once it loses

[glad dirge]

not necessarily

well,

yeah

[barren zephyr]

I doubt it

cerato is 1 ton

[glad dirge]

hopefully theres a better stun animation rather than everything just stands there frozen

[barren zephyr]

Again, I dont want cerato/dilo to have anywhere near the same growth time

But if you dont increase tenos growth rate then they HAVE to be similar

so the logical thing to do is to increase it

[manic flint]

Tenonto is 2 hours right?

[glad dirge]

yes

[manic flint]

I think that's fine, cerato should have the same I'd think

[glad dirge]

I dont see a problem with teno and cera having the same growth, because they are just slower more dmg based versions of carno, the problem is where is magy gonna go

[barren zephyr]

I disagree

cerato is 1 ton

teno is 1.6

[manic flint]

Why does weight matter?

[glad dirge]

cera could have fabulous damage with a lightweight base

[barren zephyr]

Because if you weigh less then something, theres a good chance they can overpower you

and remember magy exist

And them and cerato are rivals

[manic flint]

I think magy should have 2 hours 15 mins
Teno 2 hours
Carnos 2.5 hours
cerato 2 hours

[barren zephyr]

So should magy have the same growth as teno? And how would you balance that?

[barren zephyr]

why 2 hours and 15 minutes?

[glad dirge]

Magy should have more growth than teno

[barren zephyr]

why?

[manic flint]

In between teno/cera and carno

[paper oriole]

Magy and cera are supposed to be a set, why would magy take longer to grow?

[glad dirge]

Isnt it bigger?

what if you were to switch them, so magy is less than cera

[manic flint]

A little

So 15 mins

[paper oriole]

Magy is also slow as shit so his size doesnt really matter it evens out

[barren zephyr]

but why?

[manic flint]

But their all similar strength so I think that as long as their close its fine

Size

[barren zephyr]

Of course the devs COULD make magy a powerhouse, but Im assuming they wouldn't do that

[barren zephyr]

I disagree

Magy should be weaker then teno

[paper oriole]

I hope they don't really think the ‘unsavory’ trait is gonna help it against kos

Magy weaker and slower than teno

I mean it would definitely prove everybody who was dissing magy right

[steady lintel]

Why should it be weaker then teno?

[barren zephyr]

Weaker from a offensive standpoint

[steady lintel]

Oh

[barren zephyr]

MAGY MOVE SET -

Neck slam (that pushes things under 2 tons to the ground), stomp (that causes fractures and would combo with its neck slam) and a tail whip (imagine legacy cama tail whip but faster)

And then make it so if you bite magys neck, you get poisoned (the magy would have to eat in its diet of toxic leaves to get the effect), the poison would make you regen stam slower, make you gain health slower and slow down fractue heal rate, this combos well with its great stamina (with slightly below average run speed)

Takes nearly no damage on neck hits to

Magy should be a survivalist dino just like cerato

[manic flint]

I think magy is slightly stronger than teno, but is slower.

[barren zephyr]

how?

[paper oriole]

I think the cera ripping magy's head off in concept would disagree with his durable neck

[barren zephyr]

Concept art, not in game

[manic flint]

I think it could use its weight and deal more damage.

[barren zephyr]

but it weighs less then teno?

[manic flint]

It does?

Huh

[paper oriole]

A concept of how things can play out though, shows that cera will probably want to go for the head just like most things

[barren zephyr]

I'm going off of this size chart

[icy lion]

magy irl is about 1.2-1.3 tons, teno is 1.6 in game

[paper oriole]

If magy is purely defensive he shouldnt be punished with higher growth time than his main predator

[steady lintel]

What’s Tenos irl?

[barren zephyr]

^

[versed zodiac]

sadly incorrect magy is confirmed to be a lil slower than allo and i doubt allo will be super slow

[barren zephyr]

Wouldnt allo be slower then teno?

[manic flint]

Ok then cera and magy 2 hours, teno 2 hours 15

[paper oriole]

Too slow to escape his predators = slow as shit

[barren zephyr]

So we can assume we're getting a survivalist defensive magy?

[manic flint]

Allo can't eat magy tho right?

[barren zephyr]

cerato/magy - 1 hour and 50 minutes

I like that more

[steady lintel]

It can kill it still

[paper oriole]

People in the isle kill for fun probably even more than they kill for food

[manic flint]

I think that's good 1 hour 50

[steady lintel]

Which will happen no matter what

[glad dirge]

I like the 1hr 50

[versed zodiac]

pretty sure allo is a confirmed ambush predator that cannot keep up a chase for long. so probably fast but with shit stamina

[versed zodiac]

agreed

[barren zephyr]

And magy can be a endurance runner

Pretty slow, but can run for days

[manic flint]

Yes

[barren zephyr]

Now what about kentro/dibble?

[glad dirge]

Aren't they allo rivals?

[barren zephyr]

wdym?

[versed zodiac]

ok so how is that bad. it would allow a magy to run if it can see the attacker coming. plus when you have a diet you must follow as a carnivore that chances of many people only killing magy out of spite is lower but not impossible. so really in theory magy will probably have very few carnivores hunting it. (again not considering kos)

[steady lintel]

You should consider kos tho

It’s a huge part of the game

[paper oriole]

Kos makes up for like 50% of kills in the isle at least

[versed zodiac]

we also dont know how magy poison works. maybe magy is poisonous to bite.

[paper oriole]

Also with utahs pairs demolishing stegos right now how easy will it probably be for utah groups to shitstomp magy for fun and then go on with their day like nothing happened

[versed zodiac]

and if thats the case is it worth it to put in the effort,time and health to kill something that will damage you and is inedible

[barren zephyr]

if you bite magys neck, you get poisoned (the magy would have to eat in its diet of toxic leaves to get the effect), the poison would make you regen stam slower, make you gain health slower and slow down fractue heal rate, this combos well with its great stamina (with slightly below average run speed)

Would also tank neck hits

[steady lintel]

If devs put any type of way to heal that poison like the salt rocks they want to add or other herbs or even a simpler timer it won’t change anything

[versed zodiac]

stego has that probem due to it not having crowd control and a slow turn. magy is confirmed crowd control.

[glad dirge]

If magy has a toxic while alive that would repel stuff like carnos and utahs

Magy better have cc otherwise carnos can step in

[versed zodiac]

we also have to talk about herding with magys. im sure you will see many maggies hang around stuff like stegos or trike.

[cyan flame]

Doubtful..

[manic flint]

They could try an act as meatshield to poison the attackers

[paper oriole]

If people even play it in the long run. If it relies on herds it will be very rare to see somebody playing it unless they are just a glutton for punishment

Balancing something on “it will probably group up” actually decreases the chances of it grouping up

[steady lintel]

Herding with stegos isn’t really effective you have to have a considerable amount of space from each other for them to attack well

[versed zodiac]

im personally excited for magy despite its very evident flaws. same with cera

[paper oriole]

Being the herd meatshield doesnt sound like a good catch to be a fun playable

[manic flint]

Me too

What do y'all think of pachy and how it's gonna be balanced?

[steady lintel]

I mean I think new dinos in general are always exciting and the devs are surprisingly decent with checks and balances with animals so I’m sure it’s fine

[versed zodiac]

so you have herding, poison, good stamina, cc, ok speed, and few animals wanting to eat you. sounds pretty good. sounds like the only catch is kos from haters.

[paper oriole]

Kos is such a big part of the game it weighs a lot in pros and cons

Even some herbis may kos you if you try to hang out with them

[versed zodiac]

and im sure over time the kosers will die down as they will see the downsides of killing an animal especially if it is poisoness. magy kossers heavily depend on if you get poison via bitting

[paper oriole]

You would be surprised then

KOSers are willing inconvenience themselves quite a bit at times for a chuckle

[versed zodiac]

just saying everything depends on how poison works

[paper oriole]

Is magy even confirmed by a dev to be poisonous or just bad for diets

[steady lintel]

If u don’t wanna deal with kos I strongly recommend joining a unofficial server it’ll help a lot of your concerns probably

[cyan flame]

If that ain't the truth. And no, bad to eat is what it was, not poison by biting or anything.

[versed zodiac]

again we dont know for sure

[paper oriole]

So unless poison gets confirmed it cant really be used in its pros

[cyan flame]

I think it was confirmed magy is not poisonous, just bad to eat.

[versed zodiac]

ok

[paper oriole]

If it is just bad to eat people will KOS because they dont like magy or theyre just a a dick or bored

Magy has been shown in its running reel to only be moderate speed, it is shown it can push similar sized predators over, and it tastes bad. That's it

[versed zodiac]

and again we have a new gore system so maybe bites will take chunks of flesh. again we dont know. i dont think it makes sense to atoumaticlly say magy is unviable because we just dont know how its going to exactly work

don't that apply to all the playable tho? kos

[paper oriole]

I am judging off what has been officially shown

Not what could possibly maybe happen

No dev has cone out and blessed us with magy's amazing survival ability yet

Maybe they don't even know what to do with it

[versed zodiac]

that applies to all playables. example carnos kosing utahs

[paper oriole]

We have the basics of a lot of them, namely troodon, and a general idea of many others who arent nearly as controversial as magy

[versed zodiac]

lol yeah

who knows maybe magy will have crazy cc

and be able to cc all mids

and we all kn ow teno cc is crazy op

and tenno is not fast at all

[paper oriole]

That was because people probably thought deino would have like 20000 bite force and maybe even thought it could deathroll you while you were alive even though that was never stated

[steady lintel]

Teno is fast

[versed zodiac]

its ok speed

[paper oriole]

There still people wanting deino to have like 1000+ bite

Teno isnt really fast, he is slow enough that he has to be defensive against his predators and cant really run unless their attacker is visually impaired and bad at tracking

Hes fast enough to not be awful

[steady lintel]

Well he’s going up carno and Utah Rn

The two fastest we will see probs for awhile at least

[paper oriole]

Probably fast enough to have a chance to escape allo, alberto, acro and the other big boys but we don't know their speeds yet so can’t be sure

[steady lintel]

True but I wouldn’t be surprised if teno could outrun or at least keep up with all other playables that come out except for maybe cera idk yet tho like u said

Not including ovi galli things like that

[paper oriole]

Obviously galli should be way faster than teno lol

[versed zodiac]

so not any smalls

[barren zephyr]

but how do we know that?

We only have 2 things to compare it to

[paper oriole]

Idk about ovi, wouldnt hurt much if he is or isn't since he is so small he can hide easily

[versed zodiac]

4

[steady lintel]

Well I not including smalls Bc they wouldn’t really be hunting teno

[barren zephyr]

3 carnivores

[versed zodiac]

ptera, dieno, carno,and utah

[versed zodiac]

4

ptera counts

[barren zephyr]

Not really

it flies

[versed zodiac]

still does

[paper oriole]

Barely since a teno would have to afk for a ptera to ‘hunt’ it, the other 3 are comparable predators

[oak finch]

ptera's cant kill a tenoo tho

[barren zephyr]

I disagree

[oak finch]

not easily at least

[versed zodiac]

ive seen pteras try and kill tenos. unsuccessfully but still try

[paper oriole]

I mean a homa can try to kill a giga too but it doesnt count as a pred

[steady lintel]

I bet a semi big group could of they were coordinated and very good

[versed zodiac]

is it a carni yes, is it a playable, yes, can it fight teno technically,

[oak finch]

but thats an unreasonable example

[oak finch]

but its not a threat to them

[versed zodiac]

still has the abbility to+

[versed zodiac]

can be

in groups especially

[oak finch]

doesnt mean squat cause everything can try to kill something

[versed zodiac]

its as big of a threat as dryo, not much but if your afk ir sitting its could start to screw you

[oak finch]

but your afk

[barren zephyr]

its even LESS of a threat then dyro

Dyro beats ptera easily

Ptera is more like hypsi

[oak finch]

your giving too many advantage in favor of your argument

[versed zodiac]

i would say its more because it can fly, does the same damage, and has motive in that it can eat your corpse

[paper oriole]

If the vast overwhelming advantage still lies in the subject's favour even against a pair or trio it shouldn’t really count as rival pairups

[steady lintel]

Dyros dodge might actually be useful against a diving ptera as well

[versed zodiac]

fair enough but even a solomis a very small threat but it is still a threat. if something can hurt you and say you cant catch it its a threat.

[barren zephyr]

That's one of the reasons it doesnt count

ptera flies

It doesnt run

So why does it matter when we're trying to judge how fast a ground animal is?

[versed zodiac]

can still catch you. is dieno not a threath because it can swim faster than any playable?

[barren zephyr]

teno is around 44 kmh correct?

[versed zodiac]

and ptera can still run

[barren zephyr]

are you comparing a 8 ton gator that can 1 shot teno to a 90 kg ptera that loses to a dyro?

[versed zodiac]

its not restricted to the air.

[barren zephyr]

How does that make sense?

So lets say teno is 48 kmh

I think allo will be around 40

[versed zodiac]

i can compare anything. i never stated ptera is a big threat its is not at all a big threat but it is still a threat just a very small one

[barren zephyr]

And we're just saying its a silly comparison

[haughty cliff]

@tawny juniper they did that, but ptera can just fly over it, and combined with the blue barrier the pteras were falling and getting stuck in the walls lol

[tawny juniper]

ah

I will delete then

[haughty cliff]

i imagine they'll redo it at some point

[swift dew]

yeah, ptera is definitly a carnivore. does it affect the ecosystem? hardly. that doesn't not make it a carnivore though

[tawny juniper]

Carnivore eats meat

If it eats meat it's a carnivore

unless it also eats plants

Shrikes are carnivores

[oak finch]

its not an argument whether a ptera is a carnivore, but that its a threat to tennos

like an actual threat, not something that requires more than what you can fit in your herd

[vestal rune]

@static socket giga is planned, but everyone hates when someone just says "add this dino", if you want to make a suggestion actually give good reasons as to why it's worth the huge amount of time and effort to develop

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/773926808696389642/Giga1.jpeg

here's the new model if you're wondering

[tawny juniper]

lol

Why would a giant bird with a huge beak be a threat to tennos

Not really the same but..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anyg6RAxTi8

[oak finch]

first of all , this is a discussion about the game, not about a real life scenario, where eagles can knock things off cliffs, second of all when i say threaten, i mean killing the tenno, not annoying the player

[tawny juniper]

Again

Why wouldn't a pterosaur with a huge beak just not be threating at all to tennos

[oak finch]

cause in game, the damage isnt enoough to kill in a timely or effective manner, meaning without wasting too much stamina. Also, with the way damage works, it depends upon your mass against what you are attacking, so cause Ptera's way so little in comparison to a tenno, it does such little damage that the time you spend killing that tenoo you'd die from starvation.

[tawny juniper]

Okay

So what's the issue

Pt can't kill you

It just damages you

What do you expect they just take away pt damage?

[icy lion]

weight doesnt affect damage in evrima

[oak finch]

you came in at the ass end of a conversation so you dont know the entirety of the argument so please go back and read

[oak finch]

really? is that just legacy?

[tawny juniper]

Summ it up

(joke)

[icy lion]

yup

[maiden sinew]

if someone dies form a heart attack bc of these crocs i hold u responsible

from*

[oak finch]

oh ok. but doesnt weight still affect fall damage?

[icy lion]

yea

it also affects some cc thresholds, like the deino grab

[oak finch]

ooh so thats why Deino's cant just fuckin merc stegos

[tawny juniper]

From what I understand, The argument is, What is a predator

If something can kill something else that makes it a predator

Which is unture

untrue*

Then that back and forth for a while

[oak finch]

the argument was what preyed on Tennos

pteras dont hunt tennos

[glad dirge]

they can try

[oak finch]

ok a smart ptera wouldnt

[tawny juniper]

Okay

So this is a long list so watch out

1. deino
2. utah
3. carno
4. Ptera

[oak finch]

yes they are carnivores

[tawny juniper]

Those all prey on teno

[oak finch]

no

they dont

[glad dirge]

Ptera doesnt prey on teno unless they are juvi

Id put Carno, Utah, Deino as the common teno killers, to list them from common to uncommon

[tawny juniper]

tbh ptera doesn't prey on many things unless they are considerably smaller then it

Or that's the idea at least

[glad dirge]

actually Id swap utah and deino
so

1. Carno
2. Deino
3. Utah
   the only time a utah is really gonna tangle with you if they either know how to fight or arent alone

[oak finch]

yeah ptera's arent really predatory

they are scavengers and only really "prey" on fish but those are just Ai

[icy lion]

@naive osprey this discord is verified

[naive osprey]

I meant make the game verified on discord xD

[icy lion]

wym?

[naive osprey]

here lemme show you

[glad dirge]

it.. is?

its verified

[icy lion]

you mean like when someones playing the game and it shows the icon and whatnot? otherwise i havent heard of this

[naive osprey]

yeah

also it verifies that your running the same game

here is an example

that check mark proves your running the actual game so it can have a profile picture, and one plus side is that you can make there be a feature where you can join a friends who are playing the isle by joining the exact server that theyre in

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[glad dirge]

ohhh gotcha

yeah weird I thought the isle was verified

[naive osprey]

ye

[timber mesa]

@jade sigil

[glad dirge]

I swear does nobody see what I just put down

[oak finch]

its not the right server

[glad dirge]

wut

[oak finch]

also its the game bar lol

im an idiot

[paper oriole]

idk if its still planned but genes from nesting were gonna be a thing

build a wall with all that text and make the stegos pay for it

[last widget]

lol

[paper oriole]

deino needs better shit but i dont think bite force is the answer

[last widget]

why i mentioned being able to drag or pull stegos

adult ones

cuz its bullshit my guy lol

[paper oriole]

fracture, swimming grab, reduced weight values for swimming terrestrials, more deep water sources

[cyan flame]

No, not by any chance. Maybe if stego is swimming, otherwise no.

[last widget]

yep agreed

[last widget]

ok then what do you think, you think stegos should be able to do what i mentioned?

[cyan flame]

Fix hitboxes, fix the rivers, grab swimming things, and it should fix pretty much everything.

[paper oriole]

grabbing stegos on the shore is kinda a bit much, grab is basicallt a death sentence unless the deino fucks it up but if the stego is swimming its kinda asking for it

[oak finch]

stegos are sort of really big if you think about it, maybe only elder deino's should drown stego's

[cyan flame]

What I just said, and what the others said. The issue with stego is not because of damage or grab or anything, it's a matter of hitboxes and shallow rivers/issues with those. And even so, pairs of deinos kill stegos as it is already.

[last widget]

that doesnt fix stegos still being OP and destroying deinos specially at 100% specially when they block all the entrances adult deinos cant chase thema way or kill them. cant do anything but get fucked.

[last widget]

yeah i mean ig

[paper oriole]

stegos aren't op they get soloed by single carnos and utahs just like deino

[floral saffron]

stegs are and should be apexes. While deino should be apex too, it should only be an apex in the water, not on land. If you dont want to get curb stomped by a steg, get in the water.

[cyan flame]

Stegos arent op. And it does fix it, better spawns/more of them would also help. But really, getting "locked in" in an area you can look at and go "this is no good spot", is kind of on you.

[last widget]

they cant solo stego wdym? if you solo kill a stego as deino stego was trash.

[paper oriole]

2 pounces ends stego

[icy lion]

stegos to me feel like theyre meant to be strong against big, slow carnis and weak against small, fast ones. deino is big and slow.

[paper oriole]

i havent bothered much with stego myself but i seen that shit a lot

[floral saffron]

^^^ agreed superlunary

[cyan flame]

It seems that way, but it's a bit odd I think. It would be the other way around more likely.

[last widget]

and cant do shit against stegos being cancer like i mentioned, what can a lone 100% grown deino do? nothing lmao.

thats my point deino needs something cuz rn.. idk man..

[oak finch]

Superlunary has best take

[cyan flame]

Swim the hell away. Look at your surroundings, have escape routes. Know your area.

[last widget]

bro

[icy lion]

uh yea thats what i said. stegos are good against big slow carnis. deino is big and slow

therefore, stegos are good against deinos

[oak finch]

How about noot killing everything you see and work on being patient

[icy lion]

if the weight threshold stays the same, deino will be able to lunge (aka 1shot) pretty much half of the entire roster

[last widget]

did you not read my fucking post? 2 exits in a pond ok? you got 2 stegos blocking the only ways out. you cant go to the dam cuz the stegos abuse meshing and hit you on the other side when you're wate rwalking

[floral saffron]

map changes which deepen and probably also widen rivers are planned, and will fix that. deino wont be forced into interactions with steg, giving steg players 0 reason to hang around or in rivers because they wont be able to be a nuisance anymore

[cyan flame]

So why are you in the pond? :p

[last widget]

cuz its a good place for deino wdym why am i in pond lmao

[cyan flame]

My point was that at some time you need to look at where you are, and ask yourself if it's a good area

....

It's clearly not a good place

[floral saffron]

whAT dO YoU mEAN

[last widget]

bro, why tf are stegos doing shit like this? oh ik why cuz they can dunk ond einos.

[cyan flame]

That's like me as stego going out into the plains with not a tree or rock near to use for my head and go "yes, great spot"

[paper oriole]

also im sure big lakes n shit will come later, atm we only have a fraction of the map open

[cyan flame]

Am I the only one that actually looks at my surroundings and plan for encounters? :p

[last widget]

cuz the stegos know they hit adult and even adult deinos cant do anything to them unless together.

[cyan flame]

Cause at times it does seem like deinos .. don't quite think things through, all the issues notwithstanding

[last widget]

cuz they can clot and hit harder.

[icy lion]

rivers as a whole are way too shallow

[paper oriole]

maybe we'll see another titan lake that's better suited for deinos than the current ponds and rivers

[last widget]

agreed

[cyan flame]

They are. But there's that, and there's.. I don't know, some sort of awareness of where you are and what can happen :p

[paper oriole]

plus deino hype will die down at some point so the water sources should be less crowded and there should be more in the future

[last widget]

and more stegos being cunts, being able to dunk on adult deinos. thats my biggest annoyance we have a deino in name and not something it actually was.

[cyan flame]

The hype will die down, it's a niche playable, most people will not enjoy it

They just want to try it out for a bit

[last widget]

specially

[paper oriole]

it's a new playstyle and a lot of the hype came from people thinking it was going to be water rex or something, the people who think lunging and drowning is too complex will probably move on back to their terrestrial bite spam predators soon

[last widget]

we can blame the devs for hope trailer lol

[icy lion]

[last widget]

should just make a trailer of stegos dunking on deinos

[floral saffron]

the hope trailer showed it roaring. thats it lmao

[oak finch]

Deinosuchus werent even the largest Alligators why are you so adament they are suppose to dominate everything?

[last widget]

ikr like wtf is that deino gonna do? nothing illj ust be the rex and walk into the water and eat them.

[paper oriole]

hope trailer showed it begging for its life before it got mauled off screen

[swift dew]

yeah, it hisses and retreats right back into the water in less than 5 seconds

[cyan flame]

Well, to be fair, that didn't mean much :p It's just shouting at something

People just decided to take it for more than it was I guess

[floral saffron]

oof

[last widget]

cuz ik its going to happen with spino... pft people are like "deino will be able to kill spino in water but not on land" cant even kill a stego.. on land so something way stronger in water that can ig swim water walk etc.

[oak finch]

Sarcosuchus are much larger

[cyan flame]

In any case, fix rivers, fix hitbox issues, and the deino will be perfectly fine most likely

[last widget]

thought deino got 11 tons

[icy lion]

not anymore

[paper oriole]

spino is probably going to hippo walk not swim, he looks like he'd be shit in the water

[floral saffron]

spino should be an apex of apexes in the water

[icy lion]

deinos are up to 13.6 meters and somewhere between 11-14 tons, depending on the estimate

[swift dew]

doubt

[cyan flame]

It might be able to, but deino should not be fighting on land.

[last widget]

exactly making deino...? uselesss 🙂 cuz you will get spinos in the swamps merking deinos left n right and even on land they will dominate.

[cyan flame]

Big croc! And anky got an upgrade too, as did para. Now when do I get a big stego?! :p

[cyan flame]

Keep in mind they have different hunting and playstyles anyway

[oak finch]

do you have a source for any of this?

that they are 14 tonnes?

[floral saffron]

spinos will hopefully be suited for the oceans, not swamps. deino will likely remain king of swamps with mild competition in rivers and zero reason to go to salt water, reverse being true for spino.

[last widget]

yeah but it doesnt mean you arent gonna get your spino players doing exactly like that, just like herbivores arent meant to block pond entrances and just have a mission to kos every deino in the pond.

[swift dew]

oceans... OCEANS... yeah doubt, lots of doubt

[floral saffron]

there are like 2 maps for the isle that didnt include an ocean. tf u mean piggy ^^

[last widget]

i can already see it, deino is just your over hyped carnivore and has the roadmap slides into the game deino will just... well poof.

[oak finch]

Actually isnt Purussaurus the biggest Crocodillian if im thinking correctly

[icy lion]

not anymore

[last widget]

what is the biggest

sarco?

[icy lion]

deino

aroyef posted the skeletal

[swift dew]

if your the biggest most powerful swimming type thing in the game, then why would you not go where more people are going to be? swamps, big lakes just to name a few, especially with our monster spino

[last widget]

ok so we get the biggest gator... in game that ig was rl the biggest? yet... gets dunked on..? i just hope they fix the water systems make themd eeper we need more spawns and systems even lakes dude... just basic lakes that have river systems

[oak finch]

Ok i only see pictures and no real papers on this so it seems to be bullshit

[last widget]

so we can spread duh fk outttt

[cyan flame]

No, I didn't mean if spinos would hunt deinos, I just meant for the whole "useless", I figure deinos would fill a different purpose and be fun to play in a different way to spino. And Im sure theyll balance it so deinos and spinos dont just shit over each other or something.

[turbid forge]

underground secluded tunnels going from river to river

underwater*

[oak finch]

thatd be cool

[last widget]

yeah hopefully, cuz man i was so hyped for deino waited 2 years and im just growing more disappointed by the day.

[cyan flame]

@last widget Also, just want to say, I do recognize the issues with deino, but I think most of them really comes down to shitboxes, and some bad river design. Wider and deeper rivers, and stegos or anything else will not be able to just "camp", and you can easier go down/upriver and find a spot to recover, if there happens to be something on either side so you can't just cross. Deino is plenty powerful as it stands, it just need to be able to deliver that power, a lot like stego in some ways.

[turbid forge]

a combat deathroll could be cool

[compact jungle]

hello which servers allow the deino? im on the beta build but cant find any that have more than utah/carno

[turbid forge]

QA servers

[oak finch]

Wait the article states that its inconclusive whether this is actually a deino, even says the osteoderms arent the same shape as they are commonly found, they are too rectangular

[compact jungle]

seems like the stress test servers are impossible to get in

[cyan flame]

True, a grab for swimming things is needed as well, that if not entirely grabbing too big things, slowing them down/increasing stamina drain would work. And add increased stamina drain for terrestials using attacks in deep water.

[oak finch]

what but the article says something different

[compact jungle]

all of these are empty?

[oak finch]

i dont even see the picture you showed

[stable wedge]

When the game spits me out to the main menu when im trying to join a server, does that just mean the server is full?

[icy lion]

usually. meet me in #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧

[oak finch]

what is fadeno's full name

ok

[compact jungle]

is there no grouping up on stress test servers>

?

[icy lion]

there is but its buggy. 2 call someone of the same species

[compact jungle]

so you have to be close to your friend first

then 2 call them?

[icy lion]

ye

[compact jungle]

hahaha ok problem is finding my friend first then

[paper oriole]

wasn't the reason sleep logout was added to stop players from just sitting around with their safelog button ready in case they hear something coming while hidden in a bush afk growing?

an option to sleep without initiating the logout timer works well enough

[barren zephyr]

@last widget

It's a problem but your solution is garbage

[compact jungle]

global chat is turned off in stress test servers?

[barren zephyr]

Making it so a tug-of-war happens when deino lunges stego is more fun and fair for both parties

[icy lion]

removed permanently, as well as group

[compact jungle]

reason being?

just curious

[icy lion]

devs didnt like it, didnt like how servers became birdbath sims instead of a survival game

[compact jungle]

how does a chat box do that

they didnt like people sitting and talking to each other?

[turbid forge]

you can still do that but not cross species

and only when close to them

[icy lion]

yup, only local species chat

[compact jungle]

ah removing cross species talking makes sense

im just meetin up with my pteranodon friend

any tips for food? not like 2 juv birds can kill anything

[paper oriole]

find ripples in the water and skim for it

its where fish schools are

[turbid forge]

hold rmb when clsoe to the water and release when a prompt shows up

[compact jungle]

so jump up and glide along a river

and then rmb and go to skim fish schools

[turbid forge]

yes

[swift dew]

its a pretty hard learning curve, so try to practice away from places you know are crocs, because if you fall into the water its not going to be a good time

[compact jungle]

and what is wallowing?

[swift dew]

hold e while standing on mud, and you kinda mud roll

[icy lion]

you cover yourself in mud, it hides your footprints and can slow bleeding

[compact jungle]

cool cool

[paper oriole]

ptera has little reason to wallow luckily since it makes you very vulnerable while doing it

[compact jungle]

i see

well i dont seem to be finding any fish easily in this big river

I CAUGHT A FISH AND WAS SWIMMING TO SHORE TO EAT IT AND A CROC BIT ME

[turbid forge]

circle of life x)

[compact jungle]

i survived

wallowed then waited healed and got a fish successfully and ate

wow crazy. i also just hit 100% growth but theres no growth button anymore?

[paper oriole]

nah growth just happens now, you morph over time

so no more subadult or full juvie mains lol

[compact jungle]

well it looks like im juv size

but at 100

[icy lion]

are you a ptera? theyre pretty small

[compact jungle]

unless it just takes a sec to fully click over 100

yeah

maybe im trippin but i still def look juv

[spiral dawn]

120-130 man servers. Still don't know how to make a queue. Cool game

[paper oriole]

it could be bugged but ptera is a pretty small dude he weighs less than a dryo

[icy lion]

its being worked on

[spiral dawn]

Couldn't have just put it on release. Would make too much sense

Enjoy spending an hour and sometimes longer to play with friends guys and gals

[broken karma]

Pretty sure adding a queue means the game has to pay for double the servers as a queue is a different server

[gentle igloo]

Does anyone happen to have a picture of QA branch map along with the labels/names of the monuments

[tepid river]

Theyve already said that a queue system has been difficult to implement, and either way, there's no need to be so rude about it. There's more pressing issues right now than a queue system anyways, like various bugs and systems that aren't entirely working.

It's annoying not being able to get into the test servers yeah, but those servers themselves probably aren't going to be up for much longer. As soon as the update actually releases, everyone will be moving to the dozens upon dozens of live servers anyhow.

[paper oriole]

herbis should be able to smell everything but tracks while on the move, annoying af to have to stand still waving around like a big fat meat flag moaning and grunting just to find a bush. getting the compass would be better than nothing but honestly just not enough imo

[compact hare]

Agree ^

[digital nest]

idm herbis having to stand still to smell food- it forces super nimble, mobile herbis like dryo/galli etc to stand still for a second which opens them up to carnis for ambush which is needed for faster dinos

and just opens them up for ambush in general, so they cant always be on the move without needing to stop

[paper oriole]

the herbi is already vulnerable enough while eating/drinking

[digital nest]

i just think it's silly that you cant even use the compass, esp when herbis are very migratory in their playstyles

[paper oriole]

also shouldnt punish slower herbis just because some other herbivores are faster

[digital nest]

the slower herbis are usually big enough to defend themselves tbf

perhaps add a short duration of scent that's shorter range if you're moving

[paper oriole]

they are also already unable to run away most of the time already so its just an extra inconvenience to have to stop to find a bush or water, there is no reason but to be in inconvenience

[digital nest]

but I do get why herbis cant smell during moving for the most part

[paper oriole]

so many herbis can't crouch or even have a stance to keep quiet and sneak if they know a predator is nearby and they have to stop and make loud noises just to find bushes, unnecessary lack in quality of life that could be remedied without harm

[digital nest]

sniffing noises are def too loud and need to be lowered, though that's not just an issue with herbis tbf

[paper oriole]

kinda is, show me a carni that moans like maia when it sniffs

that thing moans so god damn loud you can hear it so far

if they remove the moaning and snorting from evrima sniffing thats one thing but still stupid that you need to stop

[swift dew]

@lapis owl and what do you think is going to happen if you add more servers? nothing. nothing is going to change except the fact that they now have to run a few extra servers. there is that many people, you would have to make like 8 extra servers just to make a noticable difference and even then

[paper oriole]

herbis should need to stop to sniff tracks obviously, so they can't actively hunt people for sport, but everything else has no reason you should have to stop

[lapis owl]

@swift dew are you sure? Wouldn't it make it a little easier to get into servers? If there are more people playing in servers and less trying to get in, there's less people piling in.

[icy lion]

even doubling the server count would lead to always full servers

[lapis owl]

im sure it would still take less time to get in

[icy lion]

generally yea, but theres a point where the cost and labor isnt worth the extra data theyd get