Range of dino rendering
#general-feedback-discussion
leaden locust
barren zephyr
ah, player render
leaden locust
I'm not very good at English so I use a translator. And he jokes sometimes.
barren zephyr
All good
"The Isle" is getting better performance in the near future
they are building up to work better
barren zephyr
BR6 PLZ
if they release another Brazilian Server, what are the chances you'll get in?
gloomy pawn
all brazilian server have full player
barren zephyr
one in a brazillion haha
lol
gloomy pawn
server NA have NA7 why dont create another server
barren zephyr
because the isle is based in NA
leaden locust
@barren zephyr Thanks for correcting me
barren zephyr
all good
barren zephyr
@swift dew how would it be to small?
I mean I get that it's no pteranodon, but I've seen a lot of votes for creatures like the thing below (sorry idk the name)
And it's pretty freakin small.
Could even be AI, or if possibly only nested in.
swift dew
<@!594297562601750548> how would it be to small?
I dont have a weight, but I have a wingspan. its wingspan is just under 3 feet, our ptera is much larger than that and it can't even fight a dryo, how is a 3 foot wingspan pterosaur supposed to do anything, it would literally get oneshot by some hypsi spit
barren zephyr
That's current Ptera, it could get buffed significantly. And it like I said could be a nest raider of creatures like Herrera and Hypsi, especially since it's arboreal. It could have many cool climbing mechanics to help it evade predators also. And just an idea but what if it was primarily a tree dweller and could only fly relatively short distances like some toucans (I think) but it would be able to climb virtually all natural surfaces and with its size I don't think it would have trouble finding places to regain stam.
swift dew
I dont have a weight, but I have a wingspan. its wingspan is just under 3 feet, ...
oh and if you need metric system then its wingspan is just under 1 meter
barren zephyr
oh and if you need metric system then its wingspan is just under 1 meter
No I got that thanks tho.
barren zephyr
I mean I get that it's no pteranodon, but I've seen a lot of votes for creatures...
what is it's diet?
barren zephyr
what is it's diet?
Not sure about irl but in the Isle it could eat like I've been saying, eggs. Like a more fragile arboreal/flying Ovi.
swift dew
That's current Ptera, it could get buffed significantly. And it like I said coul...
what else would it eat? because if your forced to eat only arboreal creatures eggs your gonna starve real fast, they would have make multple arboreal food dino ai just for this one creature to eat
silk heath
@barren zephyr did you came up with your own dinosaur like Monkeydactyl? if so it is very creative
barren zephyr
Not sure about irl but in the Isle it could eat like I've been saying, eggs. Lik...
so, similar to ptera (being a scavenger), however more on the egg-side and not fish
barren zephyr
so, similar to ptera (being a scavenger), however more on the egg-side and not f...
Pretty much. May need some changes to make it more viable (diet wise) but that shouldn't be to hard.
barren zephyr
Pretty much. May need some changes to make it more viable (diet wise) but that s...
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barren zephyr
<@456226577798135808> did you came up with your own dinosaur like Monkeydactyl? ...
I didn't come up with the animal if that's what you mean, but the behaviors are original. Although inspired by the actual creature in some aspects.
swift dew
i could see it being added, but it would get obliterated by even a hypsi
silk heath
that's cool then
barren zephyr
i could see it being added, but it would get obliterated by even a hypsi
Depends on if Hypsi's home when Monke comes to visit 
barren zephyr
that's cool then
Thanks!
paper oriole
Monke is too small to be a valuable part of the game's food chain
may as well make ambient dragonfly playable
barren zephyr
may as well make ambient dragonfly playable
Why do you say that?
paper oriole
becaus it's about as valuable in the food chain as a monkeydactyl
even compy would probably curb stomp it
barren zephyr
Depends on how it's implemented.
Idk if you read the previous comments but I went over the possibility of Monke being an egg eater.
paper oriole
Not really, it has a wingspan barely reaching 3 feet if even that, it will starve if it relies on eggs, it is worth basically nothing foodwise to the entirety of the roster
It's gotta be worth killing to something
barren zephyr
It's gotta be worth killing to *something*
Herrera
It could eat Herrera eggs and possibly be apart of the diet.
paper oriole
He would be worth one potato chip to herrera
paper oriole
Also i don't see monkeydactyl making off with most eggs at its size
barren zephyr
it shouldn't mainly rely on herrera eggs
Not as a primary diet source.
barren zephyr
Not as a primary diet source.
what would it's primary be?
I could see it also going for hypsi eggs
once they make hypsi a climber
barren zephyr
Also i don't see monkeydactyl making off with most eggs at its size
Could pierce them and lap up the insides.
@barren zephyr I talked a lil bit over hypsi eggs earlier, but primary wise I was thinking things like eggs, lizards, insects, and if made an omni then fruits and berries.
wild stone
I love the idea of tree climbing as a flier. Would make perching so much easier.
Perhaps to differentiate another small flier, you could make him only capable of gliding, and he would have to climb trees or sheer cliffs to gain any altitude. Also make gliding at the angle that ptera does consume stam, so that he can only glide for short distances, or basically fall at a diagonal.
Like a flying squirrel. Would be neat to dodge pteras as a squirrel type herbivore/insectivore.
barren zephyr
I love the idea of tree climbing as a flier. Would make perching so much easier....
Or not be able to fly far but instead be able to cling to most surfaces.
wild stone
Ya. A sort of extended, aimed leap with limited vertical potential
barren zephyr
Eggs could be a bonus to the diet much like Ovi or Galli.
paper oriole
As a size rep, it is between these two tiny bastards
barren zephyr
<@456226577798135808> I talked a lil bit over hypsi eggs earlier, but primary w...
ah yeah
paper oriole
Current ptera who is much bigger weighs less than a dryo
This guy is a literal insect in the scheme of the roster
barren zephyr
As a size rep, it is between these two tiny bastards
What exactly are those?
paper oriole
Pterodactylus
barren zephyr
Pterodactylus
Ok...?
paper oriole
Cant find size chart for monkeydactyl but point is he'd be about as useful as a pigeon with hands
barren zephyr
Cant find size chart for monkeydactyl but point is he'd be about as useful as a ...
Hey! Pigeons are awesome!
wild stone
Not everything on the roster needs to be useful in combat.
Frankly ptera shouldn't be "fighting" anything
barren zephyr
Not everything on the roster needs to be useful in combat.
This is true, just look at compy!
swift dew
Ok...?
i mean look at that, one square is probably a meter, I said this monkeydacyl thing is just less than a meter winspan, I dont see this guy being viable because it would get oneshot by grass
paper oriole
It costs thousands to model, rig, add mechanics and sounds to an animal. Just to make spectator mode who can eat small tier eggs and then die if a compy touches it
barren zephyr
Well there's been mention of a small flyer anyway so I don't see why the Monke couldn't play that role.
wild stone
It costs thousands to model, rig, add mechanics and sounds to an animal. Just to...
Cut the cost in half at the very least. It's essentially a reskin of an existing animal with a different model. You could rig it identical to ptera, and change like 2 animations, and change the stats and now you've got a new creature with an entirely unique playstyle.
paper oriole
Cutting efforts to make a shrunken reskin ptera that might feed a compy 25% of its food bar definitely sounds like a dlc or mod animal
barren zephyr
Then it sounds like a dlc animal
or mod
wild stone
Cutting efforts to make a shrunken reskin ptera that might feed a compy 25% of i...
"It's too expensive" or "Don't cut corners". Pick one dude.
barren zephyr
however "Mouse with wings" sounds like it would be an interesting playstyle.
and it's something we haven't seen yet
All I'm saying is that if done right the Monke (also like, can we acknowledge how great that nickname is I mean come on.) could be a fantastic little flying addition to the ecosystem of the Isle.
wild stone
Return to monke.
paper oriole
Not to the ecosystem, maybe just to the individual playing it
wild stone
I mean, some people like playing hypsi, and you don't hear people reeing about how useless it is do you? Since the devs have already made their decision.
wild stone
Is that a problem?
barren zephyr
Not to the ecosystem, maybe just to the individual playing it
Which clearly won't be you but, everyone has a preference. Personally I enjoy the more obscure small species gameplay.
paper oriole
If somebody wants to play as a piece of paper that eats smallest tier eggs that's cool but i'm simply stating my opinion that it would be kinda a waste of a server slot since it's so small it would probably rarely be seen and it isn't worth hunting to any of the other things on the roster.
barren zephyr
If somebody wants to play as a piece of paper that eats smallest tier eggs that'...
That's fine I get that, I just don't believe it's as pointless of an addition as your saying.
If you've got a better idea for a small flyer, I'd love to hear it. But that is just my personal opinion on a species I think has a lot of potential.
Ight I gotta head out now.
steady lintel
A flyer with opposable thumbs that had razor sharp teeth that lived in trees
I’m sure with some slight creativity you could make it interesting
And the isle is building a tree living niche that has no supper big bad apex
No reason this flyer has to be big and strong to be fun or viable in its niche
Not like it has to fight Rex or stego...
barren zephyr
@steady lintel you should read over the previous conversation, my opinion is further expanded on.
But I gotta head out so goodbye.
paper oriole
I don't think anyone implied it has to be a fighter, pterosaurs tend to make bad fighters as a whole
However, any interactions involving monkeydactyl would be pretty onesided. It isn't worth hunting so it most likely wouldn't have any active predators, it won't be hunting anybody, it has extremely limited sources of food that often don't involve any player interactions. It really plays no role in the ecosystem.
steady lintel
I mean piggy said it wouldn’t be viable for fighting reasons you seemed to justify hypsi Bc it would most likely stomp the monkey dude so I took that as implying it should fight but there’s a lot that could be looked at saying the tree niche has no huge predators
Maybe make this guy more of a glider from tree to tree with limited flight capabilities
Make him hunt only Juvie/hatchlings especially if they expand upon hypsi tree capabilities which people are asking
paper oriole
They were using hypsi as an example of something “useless” that is on the roster, i was just pointing out that monke would he even more useless. Hypsi can at least feed small tiers and doesn't take nearly ss much effort to hunt for what it's worth, so it is more involved in the ecosystem than something that flies while being less nutritious than a compy
steady lintel
Some animals niches in environments are just meant to hunt smaller babies
paper oriole
He would only be able to kill small tier hatchlings, like on the smaller end of small tier hatchlings and young juvies. A juvie utah will kick this dude's ass
steady lintel
And yes I’m aware and it sounds an awfully like that’s ur justification on why it’s okay to be on the roster compared to monkey
So that implies it needs some combat viability
paper oriole
So he has a very specific and lomited array of food he can actually eat
So he would starve or just be totally uninvolved in the ecosystem where he already isn't worth hunting even to the small tiers due to the effort it would take countered by the nonexistent reward
steady lintel
That’s why I’m saying it’s niche could be to only try and kill hatchling or juvies of certain species, for one the isle player base has no problem whatsoever chasing down juvies as it is for barely any food and killing and eating them, two the devs could give it slightly okay meat for the young herras or whatever else climbs the tree Bc for the most part the trees will be filled with dinos not even in the mid tier range raw damage wise
It’s a smaller eco system compared to the rest of the isle
paper oriole
It is typically easy to kill juvies for fun, monkeydactyl wouldn't be worth hunting even to most KOSers because it is simply worth too much effort for something that probably weighs like 12oz
For comparison, compy who is the smallest current animal weighs like 5-7lb
Monkeydactyl isnt even a tenth of this, he is an insect
steady lintel
I’d need to see a size comparison to really see if I agree with it or not
I’m aware there isn’t one tho
paper oriole
I used another pterosaur who is a bit larger to estimate
steady lintel
I feel like the current planned roster has useless dinos on it the only advantage is that some of them might be able to fill the hunger of things hunting it
silk heath
@vale pawn that is a amazing idea! I hope that gets noticed :)
steady lintel
So I just wouldn’t throw out some others that might have potential even if it doesn’t seem like a lot
paper oriole
In my personal opinion, small carnivores should also get some water from fresh bodies
Plants supplying water would be nice definitely
Also “the current planned roster has useless dinos on it the only advantage is that some of them might be able to fill the hunger of things hunting it” was kinda one of my points, monkeydactyl wouldnt even fill hunger
steady lintel
Yeah I mentioned it Bc ik that’s something you would consider useful even if it’s only slight worth to the dino
But other then that unless the devs give an ass pull advantage to a dino that probably shouldn’t have it it’s just food basically
paper oriole
If it can fill hunger it is a part of the ecosystem and worth hunting to something
steady lintel
I don’t entirely think a goal should be to just fill the hunger tho
paper oriole
Monkeydactyl seems best left to modders, in the same boat with archaeopteryx and microraptor
It should be worth interacting with to be worth adding officially but this is just my opinion
steady lintel
Yeah I agree
paper oriole
What
steady lintel
think he said that cuz i put a 
on his feedback post
was trying to beat u to it lol
paper oriole
Oh lol
Probably because “pls add queue” has been thrown in general feedback like a dozen times just today
haughty cliff
If I turn my camera too far either way, pressing a/d turns flips direction, i think that's normal (everyone I spoke to says it's the same for them)
languid dagger
either way the server screen has always been garbage
haughty cliff
As in, you'll be holding a to turn left, and turn your camera too far, and then suddenly a turns you right instead
steady lintel
New UI is being implemented so maybe that will change but yeah as far as queue goes devs already said they can’t do it atm it’s already on there radar so when they can do it we’ll most likely know
languid dagger
Fair, the steam server list isnt synced with the in game and the refresh takes way too long but whatever ig
paper oriole
Deinos are killing other deinos because they make up like half of the server population, that's the only reason there isn't enough other food to sustain them
chilly matrix
I think that this is actually a pretty good mechanic just like in the wild if a species overpopulate they wont have enough food to sustain themselves
That will stop players from only selecting 1 species
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sharp merlin
Deino in no way shape or form needs to be buffed, if anything utah needs a nerf
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sharp merlin
Utahs should be much more reliant on packing, i think a debuff to their health would be fair in that sense
haughty cliff
agree utah could def. use a nerf, they are way too strong solo
manic flint
It can survive to steg body shots for reasons
uneven mantle
Deino needs more bite force
they are very underwhelming
and for whatever reason the majority are toxic AF canniblising eachother endlessly
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haughty cliff
@velvet sundial re: skybox if you're suggesting a prehistoric-accurate one, the isle is modern day (humans, guns, etc)
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sharp merlin
Yea deino needs no bite buffs, they are already plenty strong enough with the current line up of dinos. If anything a few tweaks can be made to other dinos, suck as a utah health nerf
valid zephyr
No creature should be reliant on packing or herding.
As that just means if no one else is playing that, you can't play.
Deinos bite does seem a bit weak though. Multiple bites to kill utah, and stegos wreck them far too easily.
barren zephyr
the devs aren't balancing dinos off herds/packs anyways
valid zephyr
Only via maximum pack limits.
barren zephyr
woops
valid zephyr
ah lol
barren zephyr
the devs presume that each playable will be by themselves
valid zephyr
Yeah got really confused, as it's been mentioned that playables are being treated as individuals.
barren zephyr
yeah lol
valid zephyr
With something like utah, yeah sure maybe it could still function as it's so popular as it always has a group.
But what about a really unpopular animal which needs a group. But there is never a group.
Making certain animals require one to be viable just doesn't work.
barren zephyr
yep
earnest perch
No, deino are not supossed to 1 shot an Utah. Deinos playstyle is to drag prey in the water to either drown them or kill it in the water. Deinos are never ment to run on land to kill something on land.
Nerfing the Utah will probably create other unbalanced thingies that the utah are ment to counter.
That will mean dino such as Carno have an easier time killing utah. Same goes to teno killing utah easier etc.
azure wadi
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azure wadi
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azure wadi
It shouldn’t be able to hunt on land, that’s presto’s job 
barren zephyr
yes
valid zephyr
Honestly deino doesn't even struggle vs utahs. People just don't know that there is an alt bite.
A large juvie deino can kill an adult utah vs fast.
The amount of deinos I can just sit behind biting while they crawl in slow circles is depressing. They just need to hold alt and look behind them while biting, and dead utah.
barren zephyr
Honestly deino doesn't even struggle vs utahs. People just don't know that there...
true
valid zephyr
Main thing deino struggles against is larger deinos. As a combo of no wallow and magic sonar means you just die. Can't flee, can't fight, can't hide.
While a juvie rex could run into the undergrowth and wallow if it saw a larger rex.
flat crypt
@kindred night I've had that bug too, you can sit down to stop it from showing. Thought it'll pop up next time you try and eat
haughty cliff
Main thing deino struggles against is larger deinos. As a combo of no wallow and...
hoping this will be far less of an issue once they add a ton of underwater foliage at least!
valid zephyr
hoping this will be far less of an issue once they add a ton of underwater folia...
Magic sonar can just see through the foliage. It won’t help.
Will be an issue for minmi and beip too.
haughty cliff
Magic sonar can just see through the foliage. It won’t help.
It doesn't see you if you aren't moving!
barren zephyr
'magic sonar' should work vibrantly when something is close
however, it should dimer pretty quickly if something is relatively far
valid zephyr
Imo it should only function while holding scent.
nova tundra
What does the signal thing on top of your hunger do?
wary sparrow
@wicked mirage the animation goes through the different growth stages of the pachy(adult to juvie)
wicked mirage
<@242199410690228224> the animation goes through the different growth stages of ...
Thats not a pachy at the end lmao
That is far from a pachy
wary sparrow
Look at pachys concept art and look at the juvies
wicked mirage
Okay but its not correct
The anatomy is not a pachy in that adult stage
That is the anatomy of a Dracorex
cyan flame
@wicked mirage If you mean the "blinded" animation, I would think there's some error or something that reverts the growth while it's doing that. The reverted form is it's juvie form, which there is a growth video on, somewhere in the phase 2 channel.
nova tundra
What does the signal thing on top of your hunger do?
wicked mirage
Again It changes into a completely different species of the Pachycephalosauridae family
cyan flame
@nova tundra You mean the sound? It shows how loud your calls are. With some of them, there's a quiet and a loud call, used by either tapping or holding the call key.
@wicked mirage #phase-two-archive message
There's the growth. And I think the blinded anim just sort of does something weird to revert. I'm sure they'll fix that before it comes into the game.
nova tundra
<@!457309285836128266> You mean the sound? It shows how loud your calls are. Wit...
thanks
wicked mirage
Pachys dont have long horns even as an adult
cyan flame
@wicked mirage I don't know what you're asking for? If you mean the blinded animation they've shown, and the weird reversal that happens at the end of it, I'm telling you, it's probably some sort of weird animation error that causes the model to revert to it's juvie stage for some reason. As you can see in the growth video.
wicked mirage
Im saying why is the Pachy changing from one species to another. The anatomy of the final result in the blinded animation is wrong
Unless they plan to put the dracorex or the stygimoloch into the game
The pachy had a large rounded crown with short horns as an adult.
little nexus
Think the young pachy will have the longer horns. It was just cycling the growth during the animation for some reason.
flat crypt
its reverting to juvie form
it's not turning into another species. its turning into baby
cyan flame
@wicked mirage And I'm explaining to you, it's an error that for some reason causes the pachy to revert to juvie form in that animation. The form you see at the end is it's juvie form. It should not revert to that just because it wipes hypsi spit out of it's eyes obviously, there's just some error there.
Obviously a blinded animation should not cause a change in model in any case.. :p
flat crypt
might not even be an error, could just be them showing it works with juvie form too
wicked mirage
i dont know if it was an error because they have to review to footage over and over again before they reliease any form of content
But again juvi pachys were not known to have long horns
flat crypt
many animals were not known to have the features TI gives them
That's a bit of a moot point considering how monster-ified TI animals are
wicked mirage
Im just voicing my opinion the changes in the video show a completely different species anatomy so xD
flat crypt
Plus they may be going with the theory that dracorex was a juvie pachy, hence why it's inspired by dracorex
wicked mirage
Im just confused as to why it changes so drastically
little nexus
Maybe just showing off growth at the same time. Nothing to worry about.
flat crypt
You'll notice the eyes get bigger and more alien looking. Very obviously the juvie form
wary sparrow
But again juvi pachys were not known to have long horns
They are going with the dracorex is a juvie pachy thing and the morph has been around for over a year
cyan flame
I did link you the growth video I think
wicked mirage
Nah its been proven to be a separate species we already had a juvi pachy fossil found
cyan flame
Just look there, you'lll see how it starts from juvie to adult
wary sparrow
Nah its been proven to be a separate species we already had a juvi pachy fossil ...
And ? This is a game and a interesting way of combining two dinosaurs into one
flat crypt
pachy wyomingensis. Not proven if it's a different species
barren zephyr
Frankie, its debated if Dracorex and Stygimoch are just ontogenetic growth stages of Pachycephalosaurus or not, the devs chose the first option, its a viable option.
wicked mirage
Ive watched the video multiple times before asking so idk man.
flat crypt
It's very obviously the juvie form
Large eyes, flat dome, slimmer less bulky body overall
wicked mirage
Okay i was just asking.
wicked mirage
ive seen all of it lmao
valid zephyr
Yep Dracorex and Stygimoloch are now thought to be simply younger Pachycephalosaurus.
The animation is simply showing the blinded animation and the growth morph (in reverse) at the same time.
wicked mirage
Ah i see, Last time i read up about it they were separate species. Now that im reviewing it seems as its still debatable.
little nexus
Yeah. Last documentary I saw they were starting to think they were the same species different ages.
wicked mirage
(which was a while ago to say so i wasnt aware of this updated info )
Ill have to watch it!
Always good to learn something new.
little nexus
Sure there will be videos out there If you do a little search.
wicked mirage
oh yeah for sure, im wondering if PBS Eons will have a topic on them
bold palm
@urban flax you obviously like to afk in bushes for hours. 🙂
urban flax
Dont make assumptions on a single reaction.
bold palm
Dont make assumptions on a single reaction.
More like deductive reasoning. But having ambient dangers would help prevent people from afking in bushes for hours. Could easily be implemented too.
urban flax
Except you'd have to make models, animations and AI for dozens of tiny critters that would only be slight annoyances for most playables.
And your deductive reasoning is wrong.
bold palm
Except you'd have to make models, animations and AI for dozens of tiny critters ...
yes you would and you still haven't given a reason for your reaction.
urban flax
I don't like your suggestion.
bold palm
so you have no reason k
urban flax
Why "magic mushrooms" ?
urban flax
People would simply not eat them.
bold palm
or maybe they would to have fun
flat crypt
people are allowed to simply... not like a suggestion
imo i just see something like this becoming annoying very quickly
urban flax
Listen, there are times when I can argue for hours about why I think a suggestion is bad. This is not one of those times so leave me alone.
flat crypt
I'd rather focusing on hunting/finding food/generally staying alive than having to micromanage parasites
bold palm
right no depth, i see people complaining about afking and being bored sitting around, so there you go
ways to keep people active is the point behind it
cyan flame
Diets will hopefully solve afk, so there is that
flat crypt
also man, the praire dogs digging holes to break legs is very bad too
I would not want to run around and break my leg because I can't see a hole through the tall grass
It's hard enough to see the ground as it is, without the ground itself being a danger
flat crypt
It's much better to encourage people to be active because it's more fun, rather than discourage people from being inactive because it's annoying
At least, in the way you've described
paper geyser
there are already anti-afk measures planned, a bunch of nearly invisible critters would just be a needless annoyance on developers and players
bold palm
what measures Kato?
cyan flame
It's much better to encourage people to be active because it's more fun, rather ...
Just so!
flat crypt
diets are the big one iirc
flat crypt
things like perks might play a part too
To get certain perks you need to look after your dino properly etc etc
in fact perks play into diets iirc
bold palm
dunno just think it would cool to have more depth to the game aside from diets and perks which are good don't get me wrong, just seems like a lot of rinse and repeat.
flat crypt
I've yet to find a game with a parasite system along the lines of what you've suggested that isn't just frustrating and annoying, as opposed to engaging
bold palm
it's realistic, animals deal with those dangers all the time irl
flat crypt
ah yes, the isle, truly a realistic game
bold palm
for example 2 deinos might think twice to fight in water if parana's are near
paper geyser
that's another thing. Rewarding is always more effective than punishing
flat crypt
^
paper geyser
rather than punish afk growth, reward non-afk growth (though of course in this case afk growth should be punished)
bold palm
getting honey as a meal would be fun and dangerous
ants would play into tree climbing animals
etc
flat crypt
Punishing just discourages people from playing, rather than rewarding which encourages people to play properly
bold palm
it could be very simple implementation, doesn't have to have a ton of detail per say, but yes they would be annoyances to provoke you to get off the tree or run from a bees hive or get the heck out of the water if bleeding.
flat crypt
This game struggles enough as it is from being frustrating because you get unlucky. I don't think parasites and ambient threats like those would help much in that department
I strongly dislike luck in games like this
bold palm
what you mean like running through the forest and running into a steggo you didn't see ? I've done that several times in the game already, just run into people you didn't know where there
i dunno, still think it would be neat to have a few of the things I've mentioned. Another example, sit down in a field get too close to an ant hill, better pick a different spot. Could also make it so you can destroy things like the ant hill or bees hive etc. anyway, if anything like that were addded it would be neat and depth, but maybe the devs have not enough time to get that involved, dunno.
flat crypt
Sooo forcing people away from spots? Not a fan of that. That's how you get people to not spread out properly
People like finding optimal spots. Close to water and food, terrain than plays to their strengths etc
bold palm
omg man, read what I siad you could destroy things that do that.
many ways to implement
flat crypt
And then what's the point anyway? Then it has no meaningful change, aside from punishing people for not paying attention
bold palm
to keep people active thought i mentioned that
anyway, i'm going to play... I've made my point.
flat crypt
But if you can just destroy it, then you don't have to be active anymore
If you can destroy these things, they become rather pointless overall. if you can't, they're hindrances and annoyances.
bold palm
But if you can just destroy it, then you don't have to be active anymore
👍 or maybe you'll choose to just move to a new spot, that would be up to the player right? And maybe all dinos would not be able to destroy it. There is a ton of options to consider with it and as I said, it would add more depth and could be fun... anyway, it won't matter how I put things you will just find something to say so don't worry about it... I'm going to play now. peace.
flat crypt
There are just much, much better ways to go around encouraging people to move
bold palm
There are just much, much better ways to go around encouraging people to move
Then share your ideas and I will consider yours with an open mind.
flat crypt
Rewards, not punishment. Diets give players specific food they need to eat, and as it depletes (for herbis) they need to move on to a new location, and the carnis meant to prey on those specific herbis then need to follow along.
By following your diet, you grow faster, have access to more and better perks etc
bold palm
Rewards, not punishment. Diets give players specific food they need to eat, and ...
right but that was already an idea of the devs..
flat crypt
Yes. And I think it's a perfectly fine idea
bold palm
Yes. And I think it's a perfectly fine idea
what are your ideas though, to add to the game?
flat crypt
Never said I had any. I don't need to
Because if it's implemented well, the diet and perk systems should do a good job at encouraging more active gameplay
onyx scaffold
@winged ember you can lol
onyx scaffold
go in your inventory - go to group - hide name tags
winged ember
ah k thanks
onyx scaffold
no problem
winged ember
but a button to toggle would be cool anyways
onyx scaffold
yea it would
barren zephyr
Can someone tell me how do i get out of the river ravine thingy, my sub utah just fell in.
or is there a way out?
brittle ivy
or is there a way out?
The river where it’s extremely shallow and you can walk along its length? If you go either direction you’ll get out of it.
barren zephyr
no, its deep. And it starts from a waterfall, there are some cliffs around is aswell
omfg i got out, ive been swimming for like 30 mins. Thank god
valid zephyr
@rare phoenix I love the idea of cosmetic permanent perk unlocks. Going down a certain branch of the tree could unlock new skins, or even things like feathered utah for future playthroughs.
silk moat
@patent epoch you don’t need to hold w while flying, if you stop pressing it you can look around freely but you will be stuck flying in one direction until you manually go another way.
patent epoch
<@!210311702674145280> you don’t need to hold w while flying, if you stop pressi...
Yeah that's what I mean, I would love to be able to keep a hold of W while also be able to look around. cause speed is key Shift+W+Altlook ^^
Every land dino can do that, so why not longneck Mac Fly, who really benefits from 360 vision.
flat crypt
but there's no need to. you can use shift without pressing w iirc
pressing w is only necessary when you're trying to go a specific direction, such as turning, ascending or descending
patent epoch
@icy saffron You gonna pay for more servers? 😄
icy saffron
yes !
patent epoch
pressing w is only necessary when you're trying to go a specific direction, such...
Yeah but then still, doing that at an angle that isn't Space or ctrl bound means you cannot look around, I also said it ain't a big thing just a smol quality of life thing.
patent epoch
yes !
WELL inm that case, I'm all for it as well. ^^
@exotic onyx crys in 50 NE biteforce 
exotic onyx
bro lol you're also like a vulture, lol
devout sun
@tame valve I think the problem isn't that it's too hard to find fish, Deinos really shouldn't be eating fish past sub stage (at least that was the intended goal), the problem is food availability. There are very few animals drinking from the water, and even setting bait for 45 minutes the only thing I caught was a juvie carno. Everyone just drinks from the shallow river and Deinos are forced to eat each other or spend every moment of their lives finding and eating every elite fish in a mile radius.
patent epoch
<@!237129782687432707> I think the problem isn't that it's too hard to find fish...
it's not hard to find fish, you just gotta go where there are no deinos.
devout sun
It is literally better to play Deino as a land animal and hope that a pack of utahs tries to mess with you, hope that when you bite one it actually hits, and hope they get headshot and die first hit.
instead of playing it as an ambush predator, like intended
and if you can find an entire river with no deinos in it, you can get enough fish to keep you alive too, and be eat fish for a living
but playing as an ambush predator at the water's edge is literally the worst possible way to play Deino right now
patent epoch
ofc because the rivers are oversaturated with deinos, currently it's not the way it will be once the update has been out for a bit, afterwards there will be less and it's gonna be even better if more aquatic dinos are added
devout sun
@winged ember You can turn off group nametags in the character menu. There's a checkbox for it at least. I don't know if it works.
glad dirge
it works
patent epoch
@barren zephyr Nah it doesn't work. ^^
barren zephyr
<@456226577798135808> Nah it doesn't work. ^^
Copy that
urban flax
But you can just release W and your ptera will continue to glide, then you can look around
winged ember
<@!329280874870734858> You can turn off group nametags in the character menu. Th...
yeah, but if i disable hud i want everything to be disabled
devout sun
I agree
@barren zephyr It's inverted for ptera for some reason
if your not holding a key you can look around fine as you glide
but as soon as you move a key it starts using mouse control
and alt does nothing
regal swallow
Is the blue indicator thing as a Deino staying as the game progresses into release? Because i'm so sick of being noticed cause of it. It's so annoying.
urban flax
Of course it is, it's deino's main ability
cyan flame
They could make it slightly less of a wallhack though, and maybe only have it work for surface things, as deino is a surface hunter, or at least so it's been said I think.
lethal folio
na2 is down
wintry monolith
@manic bough why dont you do it and hell why dont you add spino and rex while your on it anyway
glad dirge
@manic bough and anyone else flooding the feedback with "oml add a queue"
barren zephyr
<@198081113556516864> and anyone else flooding the feedback with "oml add a queu...
Pls post that in #general-feedback so that more people can see it.
glad dirge
I can in 3 hours
barren zephyr
I can in 3 hours <:TI_Wheeze:735343241175629824>
Better than never 
I'm the only one that thinks that the foliage loosing some green is less good?
Evrima:
Beta:
This is a real forest
I think the foliage should keep the green it had before or even make it more realistic 🙏
swift dew
@barren zephyr there are multple types of trees with different colors, you can just say oh these trees are a brighter green therfore all trees are the same green, because they arent.
barren zephyr
If we ever see Arid regions (which I'm pretty sure we will) I'd love to see some kinda "Dead Forest" could be a super eerie deserted wasteland that at night becomes a bustling ecosystem (or something just an idea)
Yeah for sure haha
But for lots of photos, there is still something missing in Beta
In lots of different photos you see there is a trend
In the brightness
Beta's green makes it too much video game
swift dew
i just want to point out how all of the types trees you posted look nothing like the types trees in game, just saying
barren zephyr
This color is like everywhere
icy lion
spiro is a tropical environment, though
barren zephyr
The last one
Yeah I agree with you but I can't tell, it just feels a bit too much video game
It needs something to the green that the Evrima had better
honest vine
anybody else getting bodies just vanish on them? Specifically underwater
barren zephyr
It is tropical for now, but I wouldn't be surprised if they squeeze in Taiga and Arid regions and the such.
This is a tropical forest
And you have to know that tropical forest are the one with the most water
barren zephyr
This is a tropical forest
You Don't Say!
swift dew
This is a tropical forest
exactly, this looks way more like these
glad dirge
That looks exactly like in game colors
barren zephyr
Yeah but you see how it misses brightness
It needs a bit more "life"
Just a bit
In bright day it should have more light
Plus the game is still in its earlier stages and I'm sure with time, patches, and updates it will only become more and more realistic.
Or more ambient occlusion maybe
swift dew
they already said we would get more types of foliage with the diets update
barren zephyr
Yeah it's ok it's not about the types haha
I think maybe the colors are good but it lacks ambient occlusion
And brightness
During the day the sun should give more light that's what is missing 🙏
I'm sure there will be different varieties of Rainforest probably more open regions, very heavy foliage, dense canopies, and open canopies just to name a few ideas.
barren zephyr
I'm sure there will be different varieties of Rainforest probably more open regi...
I would love to ❤️
barren zephyr
I would love to ❤️
A bit off topic but I feel that Mono should live in the dense underbrush of the Tropics and be an extremely elusive carnivore/scavenger. Expanding further it could have a camo capability and possibly an excellent sense of smell, making it almost impossible to be seen unless it wants to be.
A dino with a camo 😮
❤️
Not my idea but yea. Probably to like Green Anole level. If we get seasons I'd love to see a breeding season where males head crest flairs in color.
bold palm
Sink holes like these:
safe galleon
@keen pond do you... do you know what the stress test is for?
floral saffron
thats not a sink hole its a famous cave in spain with a connection to the nearby atlantic or mediterranean sea (dont remember which)
i do think POIs like that would be awesome tho
keen pond
<@!447447761009246208> do you... do you know what the stress test is for?
Yes, to gather information. I think you have already collected enough
safe galleon
but why stop it
floral saffron
LMAO based on what? youre not a dev you have no idea what they do or dont have or what theyre even looking for 😂
safe galleon
you can still work on the update and have the strees test
floral saffron
^
urban flax
They probably haven't collected enough yet since they're getting additional info every day
And people still find new bugs
floral saffron
also its not like the devs are all watching and hand-recording this data, theres a server somewhere harvesting the info autonomously. the stress test has literally zero correlation with what the devs are actually doing at any given point in time
swift dew
stop crying, you have waited for more than 4 months for update 3, you can wait a few more weeks, some people smh
keen pond
but why stop it
Because it hurts, the servers are always full and people just cry. Therefore just close it completely so that no feelings are hurt. In addition, it currently makes no sense to play a deinosuchus because cannibalism is rampant and nothing is done about it.
paper geyser
lol
floral saffron
buddy
safe galleon
bruh 
floral saffron
the purpose isnt your feelings
compact hare
Cmon its not that hard to log in a server
floral saffron
stfu and be patient, the world wasn't built for you
swift dew
"Please be aware that during the test you are likely to encounter bugs, missing or not yet fully functional features, performance issues and limited server availability."
maybe those people should have gone in with the mindset of this
keen pond
My feelings are not hurt because I can't get in, but because the update no longer makes sense to play in this state.
keen pond
I would prefer to play the game alone and that is only possible if you can host your own server
swift dew
My feelings are not hurt because I can't get in, but because the update no longe...
oh i see the problem, your thinking its an update even though it isnt, its a stress test they are trying to find bugs, they are trying to push the servers to their limits, its not for you play around in its for them to try and stomp out as many bugs as they can while pushing servers to their limits
paper geyser
the stress test is optional, get off the QA branch if you don't like it
floral saffron
so... leave the QA beta branch... return to the normal EVRIMA branch... and host your own server? i dont understand why you still think closing the beta will help you or anyone else
keen pond
After a day you received more information than you thought. I'm just saying, personally, they can shut up on my own. Everyone can of course have a different opinion
keen pond
so... leave the QA beta branch... return to the normal EVRIMA branch... and host...
I am not interested in the dinosaurs that are available in the normal branch
paper geyser
then why are you complaining? The update will be the exact same with the exception of some bugs being fixed
swift dew
they said they received an enormous amount of data, they are also getting plenty of bug reports that they have to fix, why stop when they are getting such valuable information. because your sad because you can't play alone in a multiplayer game? lmao
floral saffron
i -
just. just dont play then if it frustrates you to the point of tears.. that there are other players?? the solution is so easy just dont play it
keen pond
then why are you complaining? The update will be the exact same with the excepti...
Yes, but I can't enjoy the update with other players. In my opinion, you should leave the multiplayer completely
swift dew
Yes, but I can't enjoy the update with other players. In my opinion, you should ...
again, its not an update its a stress test. and are you really asking for the game to not be multiplayer? i have no words
paper geyser
well that sounds like a very unfortunate you-problem. The stress test isn't gonna be stopped because a handful of people don't like playing with others
floral saffron
im so confused. do you think the WHOLE game design should change to be exclusively single player??
swift dew
if you can't enjoy the game with other players, you should probably play a different game
keen pond
im so confused. do you think the WHOLE game design should change to be exclusive...
Wasn't that the plan? A maximum of 20 players per server and the rest is AI? Why else are all dinos turned into AI who behave like real players? I'm more excited about AI than anything else.
swift dew
Wasn't that the plan? A maximum of 20 players per server and the rest is AI? Why...
yeah, definitly not, it is very difficult to make ai that complex
silk moat
Wasn't that the plan? A maximum of 20 players per server and the rest is AI? Why...
That was never the plan, they had estimated how many players were going to be able to be in a server at first. They wanted to keep the multiplayer aspect with a few new additions to AI to make it more enjoyable yet tougher to survive.
jade schooner
@bold palm yes you need to say more. Image reference and how they would work and what they would add to the game. I saw the image up in this chat but it doesn’t give anything
barren zephyr
it isn't hard to get into a server
rancid isle
yep
barren zephyr
idk why people are flipping their shit about it
full canopy
ok, so carnos just cannot get out of water
am I missing something here?
2 times I've ended up in water and when I get to the edge of the body of water I'm just bouncing there
shy fox
2 times I've ended up in water and when I get to the edge of the body of water I...
That's probably to do with the topology of the shore
Too steep
bold palm
<@662571063590387744> yes you need to say more. Image reference and how they wou...
Well they'd be really deep, could host lots of aquatics, have enterances and exits of course, cliffs for pteras, but ultimately they'd just be deep and could even tie into tunneling system to more holes like that.
jade schooner
Well, think about it thoroughly and try to make a new suggestion in the feedback channel. Not everyone reads here, so if you want your idea heard, improve on it on the other channel.
I like the idea tho. Would be neat if there could be a natural ramo that could go on the edges of the hole, so animals that fall aren’t 100% sentenced to death.
It’d be really cool to see underwater caverns but with clear water rather than all muddy. We need more water variety
keen pond
I think the biggest problems with the performance you get in the vicinity of many players / dead bodies and especially because there is still no real lod system and no setting to regulate the density of the foliage.
barren zephyr
Can agree
urban flax
@hybrid matrix Finally some good deino buff idea
But actually now I'm thinking of something wrong about it
hybrid matrix
<@!662789651102302238> Finally some good deino buff idea
thanks
hybrid matrix
But actually now I'm thinking of something wrong about it
oh?
urban flax
In water, you can lift your friend because water basically helps you carrying him, cause it has a high density, and as such lifts things up (that's basically how swimming works)
It doesn't make akything easier to pull down though
On the other hand, you could argue that without its feet on land, the stego cannot really resist deinos traction so I guess its fine
It's just that your example is slightly flawed
hybrid matrix
On the other hand, you could argue that without its feet on land, the stego cann...
tips fedora
swift dew
In water, you can lift your friend because water basically helps you carrying hi...
sure it does, its much easier to pull someone down into the water than pull someone down into the dirt
hybrid matrix
sure it does, its much easier to pull someone down into the water than pull some...
well thats because dirt is a solid
bold palm
if the spino basically looks like this: then how the heck did it even walk on land? Totally seems like an aquatic species and based on this diagram, off wiki, I just don't see it walking much at all and if it did it would be rarely and slow. Thoughts?
urban flax
Short legs don't mean something can't walk
Besides, we still don't really know how spino actually looked, its sail shape as well as its leg and body lenght are still subject to debate
hybrid matrix
if the spino basically looks like this: then how the heck did it even walk on l...
it has feet meant for walking as well as swimming
of course it would be slow!! JUST LOOK AT IT MY MAN
full canopy
most likely was semi-aquatic. I think when they add it to the game it should be a little bit of a jack-of-all-trades
bold palm
prob more like a croc, fast in water slow on land.
paper geyser
if the spino basically looks like this: then how the heck did it even walk on l...
it really doesn't have that many fully aquatic features, it's much more suited to walking than it is to swimming
hybrid matrix
prob more like a croc, fast in water slow on land.
more like slow in both environments
bold palm
the jaw, the sail, the body shape and posture, all say aquatic is it's home. With a minimal amount of land action.
maybe even oceanic
paper geyser
the sail? Might as well be swimming up a waterfall
hybrid matrix
the sail? Might as well be swimming up a waterfall
not sure if i understand the tone or implications of this comment
bold palm
the sail? Might as well be swimming up a waterfall
You obviously have not seen sail fish. Also sharks and dolphins and orcas all have a "fin" sail on them for whatever reason.
white rune
I agree that Deino should be able to drag swimming Stego
paper geyser
that sail does nothing more than create drag
paper geyser
there's been a paper published on spino's adaptations, i recommend it
white rune
why fish have sails ?
urban flax
Spino is a behavioral mystery, it seems adapted to nothing but there has to be a reason for it to evolve such weird body parts. We lack important parts of the skeleton to really know what it did of its tiny legs, big arms, sail and paddle tail.
paper geyser
why fish have sails ?
because their sails aren't half their body's overall size and are flexible?
spino is a much bigger animal, that needs to be taken into consideration too
white rune
Spino being an ambush snapping fish predator.
hybrid matrix
Spino is a behavioral mystery, it seems adapted to nothing but there has to be a...
maybe its like the echidna
full canopy
full canopy
need I say more?
white rune
except shark's
hybrid matrix
just accepting any and all parts that evolution was handing out
dyk that the echidna's back feet are backwards?
paper geyser
need I say more?
yes actually, you've given me one standalone example of a small fish with very specific adaptations to swimming at high speeds
barren zephyr
prob more like a croc, fast in water slow on land.
Spino was slow in water
paper geyser
spino weighs 6-7t last i've heard, and that sail is filled with solid bone
white rune
I mean, Spino was surely wading in shallows, swimming slowly and snapping things that came out near of it.
Surely like this : https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/569512973832421378/770585531758805002/Scene_x264.mp4
paper geyser
not nearly as flexible as any modern fish's
barren zephyr
Yes you might compare it to a steamer boat, but those are slow af when compared to other boats.
hybrid matrix
I mean, Spino was surely wading in shallows, swimming slowly and snapping things...
yeah this is how i picture spino
white rune
Also isotopic analysis have been done on it and shows that must upper body, so sail neck and upper skull, were out of water while snout, legs and tail were in water.
paper geyser
I mean, Spino was surely wading in shallows, swimming slowly and snapping things...
yeah that's most likely according to the paper i mentioned earlier
it wouldn't have been a great pursuit predator
white rune
Then Spino moves in the water if nothing comes
Spino was not a pursuit
it doesn't have any adaptation for that
urban flax
But something feels wrong with wading spino. Why did it evolve that sail and tail if it wasn't made for swimming, or... whatever the sail is for ?
barren zephyr
Spinosaurus probably swam as a means of getting around.
urban flax
Anyway this discussion belongs to #paleotalk rather than here
barren zephyr
But something feels wrong with wading spino. Why did it evolve that sail and tai...
The sail is probably for display
paper geyser
But something feels wrong with wading spino. Why did it evolve that sail and tai...
sexual display possibly
hybrid matrix
But something feels wrong with wading spino. Why did it evolve that sail and tai...
the tail is obviously so it can swim when it has to
white rune
Also this is a good representation as well
barren zephyr
And the tail is for swimming clearly
hybrid matrix
paper geyser
not being a pursuit predator doesn't rule out swimming, it just means it didn't swim after its prey
barren zephyr
But just because it can swim does not always mean it is good at it.
Crocodilians are actually very inefficient swimmers when compared to the likes of fish or cetaceans.
white rune
Spino was a wading swimmer.
It had its body mainly in the water and was able to swim to place to place if needed. Other than that it was surely pathetic on land except if it was going up in a tripodal stance, which it was able to do.
glass mulch
Dear god are we talking spino swimming like its paleotalk in here
hybrid matrix
Spino was a **wading swimmer.**
It had its body mainly in the water and was abl...
wading not wadding
hybrid matrix
Dear god are we talking spino swimming like its paleotalk in here
hey, silverfox brought it up
barren zephyr
Spinosaurus could probably take on prey on land
paper geyser
Crocodilians are actually very inefficient swimmers when compared to the likes o...
source? Not doubting, just curious
hybrid matrix
Spinosaurus could probably take on prey on land
u mean catch stuff in the water and take in on land? or catch stuff on land
white rune
or juvenile animals
glass mulch
absolutely not
Strong biteforce and gripping teeth... that guy could crush anything bellow 500kg
barren zephyr
source? Not doubting, just curious
The tail isn't all that great for providing propulsion when compared to a proper fluke.
hybrid matrix
The tail isn't all that great for providing propulsion when compared to a proper...
true but crocodillian tails are immensely powerful
barren zephyr
It can achieve bursts of speed, but not a lot of sustained speed.
paper geyser
oh that makes sense
barren zephyr
Otherwise it goes fairly slowly
Some Crocodylimorphs like the Metriorhynchids were probably decent marine predators
Mainly because of having tail flukes and no osteoderms.
white rune
Strong biteforce and gripping teeth... that guy could crush anything bellow 500k...
Know that Spinosaurid stress resistance in the jaws were pathetic.
The bite force was strong close to the muscles then it lost a lot of it when you go further the snout.
Like this thing couldn't have take on a Carcharodontosaurus for example.
And intimidation would have been the best way to make it go away.
Or swimming away.
barren zephyr
No, and it wouldn't necessarily need to if it stayed out of competition.
glass mulch
Like this thing couldn't have take on a Carcharodontosaurus for example.
Why would a spinosaurus in any fucking way challenge a carcharodontosaurus
barren zephyr
I believe Spinos sail was to regulate it's body temperature while underwater.
hybrid matrix
wait guys
can deino buck?
barren zephyr
Don't quote me on that
hybrid matrix
idr
barren zephyr
Sails for temperature regulation are pure baloney
glass mulch
Fun fact: Spinosaurus was a bad swimmer
barren zephyr
They can help animals cool down, but not really heat up
I haven't researched Spinos sail, thats what a friend who did research it told me
The sail is more likely than not a display structure, considering how big it is.
I could see that
It's a great big canvas for patterns and whatnot
white rune
Why would a spinosaurus in any fucking way challenge a carcharodontosaurus
It doesn't need to but a resting one on land could have been hunted by it and Spinosaurus could have been cucked.
glass mulch
It doesn't need to but a resting one on land could have been hunted by it and Sp...
Yes
white rune
Fun fact: Spinosaurus was a bad swimmer
It wasn't a fast swimmer yes.
But was better than all theropods.
glass mulch
Probably also not that movable
glass mulch
But was better than all theropods.
This is wrong
hybrid matrix
@static niche care to share your thoughts on my suggestion?
barren zephyr
Penguins and Cormorants are both examples of theropods that are far better swimmers.
glass mulch
Penguins are by FAR way better
barren zephyr
Same for puffins and gannets.
white rune
for both there are things that I believe and some that I don't
Ok
non avian theropods
white rune
Not even sure it was semi aquatic anymore
it is a very dubious animal as much as I love it
barren zephyr
Also Hesperornis, using the strict classification of non-avian dinosaurs being any dinosaurs outside of Aves.
barren zephyr
Hesperornithines are ornithurans
white rune
If you exclude some stupid maniraptoriforms then
glass mulch
Was Vegavis a swimmer?
white rune
among carnosaurs and coelosaurs
glass mulch
Ohhh
barren zephyr
It's related to waterfowl
glass mulch
This honestly sounds like a regular #paleotalk discussion
barren zephyr
haha funni Antarctic goose thing
Anyway.
Spino is not that great at swimming.
And it's a generalist predator with a fish eating bias, not some edgy water monster.
hybrid matrix
@full canopy might've been the terrain?
glass mulch
@full canopy Carno is bad at getting out of water, it needs more even ground
So hot tip: Don't go swimming as a Carnotaurus
hybrid matrix
So hot tip: Don't go swimming as a Carnotaurus
dont go swimming as anything that isnt semi-aquatic
glass mulch
dont go swimming as anything that isnt semi-aquatic
Hypsilophodon
static niche
<@!488009522019827712> care to share your thoughts on my suggestion?
I feel as if Deino’s whole center is around killing swimming animals and ambushing those on the water edge. There’s many many depictions of Deinosuchus pulling/grabbing rexes even on the bank. Realistically, Deinosuchus was almost twice the size of Stego, so I feel as if it should be able to use its weight to pull down. Pulling down into the water would be easy as well, you’re not using much muscle, just weight.
glass mulch
Twice the size of stego?
hybrid matrix
I feel as if Deino’s whole center is around killing swimming animals and ambushi...
it looks like u agree with my suggestion?
glass mulch
8 tons vs 6 tons?
hybrid matrix
whyd u ❌ it
hybrid matrix
it looks like u agree with my suggestion from wut u just said
but u ❌ed it 
glass mulch
ehhh
icy lion
deino is 8 tons
hybrid matrix
deino is 8 tons
in game
i think they're talking about real life estimates
although ive never heard any estimates of it being 11 tons
glass mulch
They literally went with realistic weights
barren zephyr
Do not use pounds, use the glorious metric system.
icy lion
some of the newer estimates might have a different weight though
paper oriole
Realism aside, it is kinda poor balance for a deino to just be able to yoink stego into the water and sentence it to death, they are both 5hr animals
glass mulch
Will probably get changed along with the ecosystem
paper oriole
It is fair for stego to hold the advantage when on land and deino to hold the advantage in water
hybrid matrix
Also deino needs to be weak as of right now
ik but its a little too weak
in the sense that stegos are fine with SWIMMING in the presense of MULTIPLE FULLY GROWN DEINOS
hybrid matrix
It is fair for stego to hold the advantage when on land and deino to hold the ad...
exactly
static niche
It shouldn’t be easy, but it should be able to pull it into the water
hybrid matrix
It shouldn’t be easy, but it should be able to pull it into the water
no it shouldnt
hybrid matrix
stego might be lighter than deino, but it has an advantage due to traction
manic flint
ik but its a little too weak
in the sense that stegos are fine with SWIMMING in ...
They aren't the deinos just aren't going for headshots
white rune
Who cares about realism ?
I mean, Deino is the biggest threat in water and 6 tons Stego could be dragged by it if it swims
hybrid matrix
They aren't the deinos just aren't going for headshots
from my experience thats the only place that deinos try to bite
static niche
So if something twice the weight is pulling down on your head, it shouldn’t be able to drag you?
hybrid matrix
So if something twice the weight is pulling down on your head, it shouldn’t be a...
deino isnt twice the weight of stego
static niche
Realistically it almost is,
hybrid matrix
and even if it were, stego still has traction since its on land while deino doesnt
barren zephyr
An elephant can't even haul half it's own body weight.
manic flint
Stegos are 4 shot in the head so they must've missed
white rune
Realistically, Stegosaurus is close to 7 tons and Deinosuchus 14 tons.
paper oriole
If deino could pull stego from the bank it should have its growth time increased as well
hybrid matrix
Realistically it almost is,
no its not, its 2 tons heavier than half a deino's weight
barren zephyr
So no, Stego is probably too heavy for deino to grab based on the wonders of this thing called the square cube law.
hybrid matrix
If deino could pull stego from the bank it should have its growth time increased...
exactly
glass mulch
Realistically, Stegosaurus is close to 7 tons and Deinosuchus 14 tons.
What... deino at 14 tons?
glass mulch
Wasn't Deino like 5.3 - 8 tons ish
white rune
glass mulch
depending on species
white rune
This monster exists
hybrid matrix
if the stego is on land and the deino is in water, the stego shouldnt have to worry about getting dragged
if the stego is swimming then it deserves to die
glass mulch
oh fuck
barren zephyr
We have D. hatcheri, don't we
static niche
5 tons vs 8.5 ton animal 
white rune
if the stego is on land and the deino is in water, the stego shouldnt have to wo...
^^^^^^^^^^
barren zephyr
Or was it some other species
hybrid matrix
5 tons vs 8.5 ton animal <:WeebFacePalm01:598151879247134732>
more like 6 tons vs 8 ton animal
glass mulch
We have rogusus
barren zephyr
Ok
hybrid matrix
wait
white rune
We have D. hatcheri, don't we
Idk but for game balance sake, we should not go for maximal size
static niche
hybrid matrix
based on my logic, should deino be able to grab stegos if theyre both on land????
or am i confusing myself
manic flint
STEGO: Weights 5 to 7.5 metric tons
DEINO: Weighs 5 to 7 metric tons
Google has spoken
glass mulch
idk why but I fucking love the name Schwimmeri, just sounds like swimming but with a sh noise instead of an S
white rune
A 8 tons animal like Deinosuchus cannot drag a 6 tons animal that's on land. Its limbs are too weak and that's not even balanced because you just one shot a similar sized animal.
glass mulch
STEGO: Weights 5 to 7.5 metric tons
DEINO: Weighs 5 to 7 metric tons
Google has ...
Don't trust google
hybrid matrix
STEGO: Weights 5 to 7.5 metric tons
DEINO: Weighs 5 to 7 metric tons
Google has ...
dont trust google itself
find trustyworthy websites USING google
white rune
If you try to drag a swimming Stego underwater if should be hard
like
you're way slower
it drains your stamina super fast
hybrid matrix
google isnt for direct answers
its for providing trustworthy sources
white rune
and you need to do it multiple times
urban flax
Well stego already has a hard time staying out of water
white rune
STEGO: Weights 5 to 7.5 metric tons
DEINO: Weighs 5 to 7 metric tons
Google has ...
Google isn't the best source.
urban flax
Lunging a swimming stego as deino should not be 100% death for the stego
hybrid matrix
If you try to drag a swimming Stego underwater if should be hard
no it should be relatively easy
urban flax
But if it's low on stamina, then bye
hybrid matrix
it should definitely take a lot of stam
but it shouldnt be hard
the point of the idea is to make stegos not so comfortable with swimming
white rune
Lunging a swimming stego as deino should not be 100% death for the stego
In land no you get cucked but in water you may have a chance to get it by dragging it by the feet.
urban flax
yep
hybrid matrix
Like you're 50% slower than base swimming speed
stego or deino
static niche
stegos love sticking their ass in the water bruh
hybrid matrix
if it drags Stego while it swims
ah ok
urban flax
And actually, I don't think realistically it'd take a lot of stamina for the deino. I mean, even if it just grabs the leg and stops swimming... that's 8 additionnal tons for stego to keep out of the water.
But for game balance it should take a lot of stam
hybrid matrix
actually i think 1.5x stam drain is better since stego has a weight that's 75% of deino's
urban flax
Like
A nile crocodile ?
hybrid matrix
Imo they should have gone for a smaller species
that or they shouldve given it more control over the water
glass mulch
No... like a 5.5 ton rogusus or a 3 ton schwimmeri
white rune
8 tons would have been better when mid tiers will be in
glass mulch
then scale it up when larger animals and animals like Sucho come into play
white rune
^^^^
hybrid matrix
No... like a 5.5 ton rogusus or a 3 ton schwimmeri
schwimmeri? did the guy who discovered this deino species watch friends b4 discovering it?
urban flax
I think devs really don't care about early game balance that much... And I'd probably do the same if I was in their place
white rune
5 tons can already do what 8 tons Deino do for now and be less ridiculous.
glass mulch
schwimmeri? did the guy who discovered this deino species watch friends b4 disco...
His name was schwimmer, so he didn't watch the show he was just self obsessed
urban flax
Add one dino of every tier and every playstyle to see how it works out, then add the other ones to flesh it out, based on current balance
glass mulch
Every playstyle?
hybrid matrix
His name was schwimmer, so he didn't watch the show he was just self obsessed <:...
wait but wasn't the guy who played Ross called David Schwimmer iirc?
glass mulch
...ya sure there buckaroo?
hybrid matrix
i mean
glass mulch
wait but wasn't the guy who played Ross called David Schwimmer iirc?
I have actually never watched friends.exe
urban flax
Basically small prey/small predator big prey/big predator small swimmers/big swimmers...
Okay they skipped the small swimmers part
They're just sticking to not going full apex head-on, and it's fine as it is
Deino and stego are not apexes like trike or rex
glass mulch
Large fast herbivore, large slow herbivore, large semi aquatic herbivore and so on
glass mulch
then an arboreal hunter, arboreal herbivore, arboreal flyer, semi arboreal runner, semi arboreal tanky animal, semi arboreal hunter
glass mulch
Yes... they said they were going of that
hybrid matrix
then uhhhhhhhhhhh
glass mulch
until.. the roadmap
urban flax
But that can cause problems because compy, for example, needs things bigger than itself to have a purpose
swift dew
so compy first
and brachi last
i think you mean rex, then what we have as the current roster
hybrid matrix
But that can cause problems because compy, for example, needs things bigger than...
compy and homa would fight
homa is the smallest herbivore right?
urban flax
I think so
hybrid matrix
i think you mean rex, then what we have as the current roster <:TI_Troll:4725760...
wait do edited replies no longer ping ppl? lets see
THEY DONT
white rune
Homalo will be oversized around Troodon size
hybrid matrix
WOOHOOO
urban flax
What ? That's like doubling its size
white rune
Yes
urban flax
Ah tripling
glass mulch
Like... 1st update was good: Utah and Tenonto 2 decently small animals (ish for tenonto)
Then we have Dryo in update 2 which was a perfect fit
Then Hypsi and Carno which are great but it also includes stego and that is like... ehhhh?
Then we had Beipi (good) Ptera (Good-ish) Deino (why the fuck) Sucho (huh?)
Then we go with good animals again
swift dew
homalo is the lightest herbie acording to this, and this is obviously accurate
glass mulch
homalo is the lightest herbie acording to this, and this is obviously accurate
It is scientifically accurate for most animals (except for some, like Sucho and potentially Spino)
hybrid matrix
well in my professional opinion, the devs shouldve gone from smallest to largest
urban flax
I bet devs were actually bored of doing only smalls and wanted to try adding some big things to spice things up...
Or when they realized stego was way too strong, they thought "fuck, now we need something that can kill it" and boom, deino
glass mulch
3.4 - 4.2 (potentially)
white rune
Yeah around that
hybrid matrix
I bet devs were actually bored of doing only smalls and wanted to try adding som...
this seems accurate
urban flax
But deino can't kill it in fact
white rune
but still Nova oversized it
glass mulch
4.2 is the largest accurate estimate
urban flax
So they're gonna change the roadmap to include allo as soon as possible x)
white rune
They should have changed Stego for Kentro
and not put in Deino
and put in Bary instead
bruh
but
small roster is a mess imo
hybrid matrix
But deino can't kill it in fact
deino and stego do the same thing
they kill everything else in the roster
but stego does it better bc they can take on deinos and deinos cant take on stegos
glass mulch
Bary, Beipi and Ptera in one update could be good
swift dew
I bet devs were actually bored of doing only smalls and wanted to try adding som...
the only reason deino is here is because we were promised big gator for like 3 years i think now, (and they needed a swimmer animal for water locomotion code)
white rune
they should have done a roster will all sizes in it.
glass mulch
but still Nova oversized it
Also Baryonyx is way undersized and outdated but I am fine with it tbh
urban flax
Anyway, it's not very important. This is an alpha, balance is already way better than what we should expect from it
glass mulch
Bary is like Allosaurus size nowadays
urban flax
We will be able to really judge balance only once every tier, including apexes, are in the game
swift dew
is dibble really not accurate in this? it looks like it would be 1 ton but idk
white rune
Didn't want to post it yet
glass mulch
ok
white rune
The best roster they could have done with 16 playables.
Herbivores :
Triceratops, Parasaurolophus, Tenontosaurus, Kentrosaurus, Pachecephalosaurus, Gallimimus, Beipiaosaurus
Carnivores :
Tyrannosaurus, Suchomimus, Carnotaurus, Ceratosaurus, Utahraptor, Herrerasaurus, Troodon (Deinosuchus, Pteranodon).
So you have :
2 apexes ;
4 mid tiers ;
5 small tiers ;
3 tiny tiers.
You have also have a diversified gameplay with all of those animals not overlooping over the other ones.
swift dew
thats some pretty large power gaps there between rex and sucho, and between sucho and cera, also a pretty big power gap between trike and para, and between para and teno
glass mulch
4 midtiers?
white rune
Between 6 tons and 1.5
but I can be more specific
but devs would classify them lik that
swift dew
and also cera would beat carno 1v1. its built much builker with a more devastating bite
hybrid matrix
Alright so... Tenonto and Theri are mid-tiers
theri should be an apex
glass mulch
Ehh... should it now?
white rune
and also cera would beat carno 1v1. its built much builker with a more devastati...
I highly doubt?
Abelisaurs were bulky and had wide skulls and powerful neck and jaw muscles when Ceratosaurus had a poor bite stress resistance at the jaws and was rather fragile.
Like people think that Cerato is bulky
but it fucking isn't at all
You can still go honey badger for it
for the game
and would work
but realistic wise, Cerato would be cucked.
steady lintel
The AE chart shows how the carno weighs more as well compared to cerato
white rune
Carnotaurus is 1.8 tons while Cerato is 1.050 tons
glass mulch
EXTRA SMALL WEIGHT CLASS is bellow 300kg
Small tiers are above 300kg and bellow 2 tons
Mid tiers to me are stuff above 2 tons and bellow 4 tons
Large tiers are above 4 tons and bellow 7 tons
Apex tiers are above 7 tons and bellow 20 tons (then comes behemoth stuff)
swift dew
The AE chart shows how the carno weighs more as well compared to cerato
weight means nothing when your build like a tower balanced on two sticks
glass mulch
*EXTRA SMALL WEIGHT CLASS* is bellow 300kg
Small tiers are above 300kg and bello...
This is how I think of it
glass mulch
fair enough
steady lintel
weight means nothing when your build like a tower balanced on two sticks
Still a lot of people keep bringing up bulky when it comes to cera and carno in a 1v1 and I just don’t get the point when carno weighs more. Like bulky compared to a Utah yes but id why they think that’s there main selling point when it comes to carno
glass mulch
Tbh... when we are talking about proportionate bulk Utahraptor (should be) is more bulky than Cerato
white rune
Cerato
glad dirge
Carno tiny mouth
white rune
isn't even bulky
hybrid matrix
cera has a better bite and will hopefully be more mobile
white rune
it is really thin
glass mulch
tbh this games standards for realism is a bit wacky
steady lintel
There is none that’s why
glass mulch
and with realism I mean accuracy
hybrid matrix
and with realism I mean accuracy
not necessarily accuracy, just up-to-dateness
steady lintel
He skipped leg day
white rune
Cerato is thin boy
glass mulch
We have carno who is basically about as accurate as it gets except for shrink wrapping and no lips... then we have Utahraptor who is jurassic park velo 2 electric boogaloo
white rune
Which is disgusting
glass mulch
We have Suchomimus who is in the exact same boat as Carno... and then we have Spinosaurus
white rune
steady lintel
Spinorex
glass mulch
This game is a weird mix of realistic designs and monsters and I kinda dig it
hybrid matrix
This game is a weird mix of realistic designs and monsters and I kinda dig it
i'd dig it too if spino had a bigger sail
steady lintel
I don’t see any harm in giving it an accurate tail as well
Not sure how it could possibly effect any mechanics they have planned for it
hybrid matrix
I don’t see any harm in giving it an accurate tail as well
the spino simps will be mad and We DoN't WaNt ThAt
steady lintel
Irl spino is such a unique and interesting animal and looks amazing not sure why people are okay with missing such an opportunity for it
It’s not like we don’t already have 3 large theropods similar in play style and niches planned
white rune
Irl spino is such a unique and interesting animal and looks amazing not sure why...
I agree
And new tail wouldn't modify how it works
barren zephyr
*EXTRA SMALL WEIGHT CLASS* is bellow 300kg
Small tiers are above 300kg and bello...
that makes 0 sense, minmi isn't "Extra small" because of its wight, its extra small because it doesn't have many combat options
glass mulch
that makes 0 sense, minmi isn't "Extra small" because of its wight, its extra sm...
In this case you are a behemoth tier obviously
barren zephyr
Extra small is 175KG and under imo
gritty siren
Can we just move this to beta so I can actually have the capability to get on and play one of these new creatures? Fr its impossible, I have better luck playing the lottos
tawny juniper
The point of the stress test isn't so people can have fun trying out the update. It's to weed out bugs and problems.
I'm sure you can wait a week in order to play the update if you have no luck joining right now.
gritty siren
Carter way to assume asshat, I'm interested in alpha testing it like everyone else but the flood gates are open to the damn public. Fuck you
hybrid matrix
Carter way to assume asshat, I'm interested in alpha testing it like everyone el...
woah why the aggression
tawny juniper
Carter way to assume asshat, I'm interested in alpha testing it like everyone el...
"To get on and play one of these new creatures" To me it sounds like you want to play in order to try the new creatures. My point stands.
silk moat
Carter way to assume asshat, I'm interested in alpha testing it like everyone el...
Calm down, no need to get so aggressive.
tawny juniper
Carter way to assume asshat, I'm interested in alpha testing it like everyone el...
and what differentiates you from the public...?
swift dew
and what differentiates you from the public...?
the public doesn't call people an asshat when they get upset about not getting to play a stress test
tawny juniper
That's what I mean
He talks about "the floodgates being open to the public", Like mate you're part of the public aswell.
@gritty siren
Also funny detail
potent sparrow
Due to the extreme difficulty getting into the servers I am kind of wondering if there are AFK players just camping in Select Dino screen to stay in the server. Assuming there isn't a timeout, would it be good to suggest being booted after 10 minutes from the dino select screen so you can't just camp taking up a server slot while you're away from home for 8 hours?
steady lintel
Nahhh not ten minutes I’d be pissed if I logged in random bathroom urge comes I come back and get kicked id say at least 20 but yeah it probably needs a afk timer on character screen
potent sparrow
k ima post this.
glad dirge
@barren zephyr like... a dry season?
barren zephyr
<@456226577798135808> like... a dry season?
Basically, but more severe
barren zephyr
yea
potent sparrow
@trim dock agreed I have a strong dislike for it. xD
also the 2-call needs a remap something awful.
terse nest
is there some sort of priority for the servers?
ive been trying for hours now and nothing
silk moat
is there some sort of priority for the servers?
their most likely full if it keeps on kicking you to the "Greetings islanders" message
barren zephyr
is there a way to disable game sounds when i alt tab?
agile topaz
Anyone elses server have a massive stego carno utah mixpack targeting the deinos?
barren zephyr
yes and we are culling the population
whats wrong with that
well, every group for themselves, no mix packing here
glad dirge
Universal hate for deinos
barren zephyr
well if fish respawned more than once a hour we wouldnt have to eat each other as often
hybrid matrix
Universal hate for deinos
but why
us deinos are just out here tryina' live our lives
well
i am
not sure about those other assholes
abstract gust
has anyone ever suggested or seen suggested auto recovery for the servers when they do stress tests like this?
terse nest
this is ridiculous deadass clicked to join a server with 0 people and i still cant join
abstract gust
this is ridiculous deadass clicked to join a server with 0 people and i still ca...
that's steam having a delayed update, not their fault
terse nest
they should add a queue instead of just free for all spam refreshing
barren zephyr
they should add a queue instead of just free for all spam refreshing
a queue system isnt needed
glad dirge
It really isnt
terse nest
u guys most likely got into a server i have been at it for 4 hours and i haven't had any luck
just a suggestion
glad dirge
terse nest
shouldve led with that lol
glad dirge
barren zephyr
u guys most likely got into a server i have been at it for 4 hours and i haven't...
good thing that wont be a issue after update 3
*After the stress test
terse nest
true cant really get too angry since it is a stress test andthe final product is gonna be worth it
glad dirge
Queue systems won't help because then you'll just be sitting there waitin instead actually getting a chance to join before someone else
terse nest
id prefer queue just seems more fair just me tho they're doing what they can
glad dirge
It also might provoke more afk people, oki hop in a queue and go eat lunch or something
barren zephyr
we won’t really need a queue system once the actual update hits since most of the players will be bored of deino. You’ll likely get into a server in a short period of time once the actual update releases
terse nest
don't think that'd be that much of a problem
yeah definitely not a priority but it'd be nice
glad dirge
Enhanced scent only works if the victims are moving, I think
swift dew
@rare folio that would be a good idea fora single player mode if that ever happens.
oh and the "goal" that this game is going to have is the elders, if you go night night as an elder, as in you go to sleep and never wake up, not get killed. you are going to get a perk that you can apply to that species and you get to keep that perk as long as you play the same species and are on the same server
hybrid matrix
@glad dirge 🇵 🇷 🇴 🇬 ®️ 🇪 🇸 🇿 🇮 ⭕🇳
rare folio
what does this perk do?
swift dew
it just gives you extra stuff, so if you become elder and go night night multiple times you can add multiple perks
obviously nothing game breaking but you would be slightly better than those who don't have perks
rare folio
are you 8 years old or just limited in your mind@hybrid matrix ?
hybrid matrix
are you 8 years old or just limited in your mind<@!662789651102302238> ?
no
i listen to the devs
glad dirge
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swift dew
there would also be the regular perks that you unlock just by playing the game, but you wouldn't keep those on different lives
glad dirge
That red Hoola hoop bothers me
hybrid matrix
are you 8 years old or just limited in your mind<@!662789651102302238> ?
wanna maybe rethink this comment as well as your suggestion?
rare folio
no why would i
glad dirge
rip
hybrid matrix
no why would i
bc the devs already said progression isnt coming back
rare folio
what is progession mode
glad dirge
Your suggestion is progression mode
Playing other dinos to adult to unlock bigger dinos
rare folio
its just an example tho
glad dirge
Its..progression mode tho?
paper oriole
Progression mode was like. You start as a velo, get enough points and progress to austro. Keep rising up until you reach rex or giga or whatever
Thats basically what you wanted in the suggestion, no?
hybrid matrix
Progression mode was like. You start as a velo, get enough points and progress t...
remember when u could progress to hypers?
glad dirge
And when you die you get to do it all again
paper oriole
Nightmare times lol
rare folio
the game needs more long term things to do cuz its hella boring after playing for a bit. and yet its still bugged.